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Tigers lock on Dustin Martin
Jay Clark | Reuters Sun Oct 04
RICHMOND is poised to partner midfield gem Trent Cotchin with another outstanding onballer from next month's draft.
Clean-skilled midfielder Dustin Martin has firmed as the Tigers' target after testing brilliantly at the AFL Draft Camp in Canberra this week.
The well-balanced onballer, who averaged 21 touches in the national championships, posted the second-fastest 20m sprint time and equal second-best kicking test score.
Richmond recruiting chief Francis Jackson said the club was unlikely to use its first-round pick to draft a top key forward, such as John Butcher.
"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.
"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
He said it was critical the club got quality players with two picks (3 and 19) inside the top 20.
"We had a dismal year so we needed to get something out of it," Jackson said.
Essendon is also on the hunt for a young gun onballer.
Bombers football manager Paul Hamilton said: "That certainly is one of our priorities.
"This draft has got some good midfield depth and talent and we feel if we can get a couple of good quality mids, that is going to help us long-term."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-lock-on-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9jf-1225782480791
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Tigers lock on Dustin Martin
Jay Clark | Reuters Sun Oct 04
RICHMOND is poised to partner midfield gem Trent Cotchin with another outstanding onballer from next month's draft.
Clean-skilled midfielder Dustin Martin has firmed as the Tigers' target after testing brilliantly at the AFL Draft Camp in Canberra this week.
The well-balanced onballer, who averaged 21 touches in the national championships, posted the second-fastest 20m sprint time and equal second-best kicking test score.
Richmond recruiting chief Francis Jackson said the club was unlikely to use its first-round pick to draft a top key forward, such as John Butcher.
"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.
"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
He said it was critical the club got quality players with two picks (3 and 19) inside the top 20.
"We had a dismal year so we needed to get something out of it," Jackson said.
Essendon is also on the hunt for a young gun onballer.
Bombers football manager Paul Hamilton said: "That certainly is one of our priorities.
"This draft has got some good midfield depth and talent and we feel if we can get a couple of good quality mids, that is going to help us long-term."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-lock-on-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9jf-1225782480791
JUST WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR!!!! :thumbsup
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Tigers lock on Dustin Martin
Jay Clark | Reuters Sun Oct 04
RICHMOND is poised to partner midfield gem Trent Cotchin with another outstanding onballer from next month's draft.
Clean-skilled midfielder Dustin Martin has firmed as the Tigers' target after testing brilliantly at the AFL Draft Camp in Canberra this week.
The well-balanced onballer, who averaged 21 touches in the national championships, posted the second-fastest 20m sprint time and equal second-best kicking test score.
Richmond recruiting chief Francis Jackson said the club was unlikely to use its first-round pick to draft a top key forward, such as John Butcher.
"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.
"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
He said it was critical the club got quality players with two picks (3 and 19) inside the top 20.
"We had a dismal year so we needed to get something out of it," Jackson said.
Essendon is also on the hunt for a young gun onballer.
Bombers football manager Paul Hamilton said: "That certainly is one of our priorities.
"This draft has got some good midfield depth and talent and we feel if we can get a couple of good quality mids, that is going to help us long-term."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-lock-on-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9jf-1225782480791
JUST WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR!!!! :thumbsup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTjp4ROxszk
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oh thank god, i like to see a certainty with that pick three. The kid is good, and should play first round. Although we need a key position i wouldn't mind seeing Bastinac's name getting called out at 19 either.
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Well its obvious Melbourne are going Scully and Trengove at 1 and 2.
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Well its obvious Melbourne are going Scully and Trengove at 1 and 2.
cant see them not picking them two.
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Dustin Martin:
D.O.B.: 26/06/1991
Height: 187cm
Weight: 86kg
Pics:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/full/481519.jpg (http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/full/481519.jpg)
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/full/512849.jpg (http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/full/512849.jpg)
Video:
http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/08/dustin-martin-bendigo-pioneersvic.html (http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/08/dustin-martin-bendigo-pioneersvic.html)
Summary:
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/09/dustin-martin-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Dustin%20Martin&action=PSTATS&pID=189134810&client=0-3020-27630-0-8058929 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Dustin%20Martin&action=PSTATS&pID=189134810&client=0-3020-27630-0-8058929)
Articles:
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/general/pioneers-on-big-stage/1526160.aspx (http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/general/pioneers-on-big-stage/1526160.aspx)
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Very, very good news.
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While I'd love to see Martin as a Tiger after the draft, there's nothing that says we'll pick him other than 'he tested well'. So did Gary Rohan. Are we picking him now?
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Firstly why does the RFC always feel the need to tell the world what we are doing beforehand :scream. Let's hope Butcher doesn't take 15 marks and have 10 shots at goal at AFL level or we'll be laughed at again :-\.
Anyway Martin reminds me of a mixture of Dal Santo in the way he moves and understands the game and Leon Cameron in that he kicks equally well on either foot. One thing I've noticed watching the above footage again is Martin is always either at or forward of the ball. How is Martin's defensive pressure? Does he run as hard back to defend as he does forward to win or receive the footy?
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we are picking Martin based on his efforts at the Nathan Buckley inspired draft camp.
Ive seen the footage and yes he looks great but Butcher should be our go, which ive said from day one.
So many forwards have trouble kicking early but still come up with the goods when needed. Stuey Lowe was arguably the worst kick in the league and look how he changed his kicking around.
We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we think Jack R and Morton are going to do it on their own. We need another forward and fast.
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we are picking Martin based on his efforts at the Nathan Buckley inspired draft camp.
Ive seen the footage and yes he looks great but Butcher should be our go, which ive said from day one.
So many forwards have trouble kicking early but still come up with the goods when needed. Stuey Lowe was arguably the worst kick in the league and look how he changed his kicking around.
We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we think Jack R and Morton are going to do it on their own. We need another forward and fast.
Good to see there are some smart people at our great club........... unlike some of our so called supporters... :whistle Well done Richmond if it comes off and good on you Martin!!!!!!!!!! :clapping :clapping :clapping
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We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we think Jack R and Morton are going to do it on their own. We need another forward and fast
Yep we need another player that can't kick to save their lives, thats what we need, if you were in the Thunderbirds you would have to be Brains.... ::)...................NOT!!
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We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we think Jack R and Morton are going to do it on their own. We need another forward and fast
Yep we need another player that can't kick to save their lives, thats what we need, if you were in the Thunderbirds you would have to be Brains.... ::)...................NOT!!
Okay but we need Rhan Hooper, Nicoski, Joel McDonald and Mark Seaby because if we go to the draft we will have no experience in the squad and these blokes are reknowned for their precise kicking? :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
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We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we think Jack R and Morton are going to do it on their own. We need another forward and fast
Yep we need another player that can't kick to save their lives, thats what we need, if you were in the Thunderbirds you would have to be Brains.... ::)...................NOT!!
Okay but we need Rhan Hooper, Nicoski, Joel McDonald and Mark Seaby because if we go to the draft we will have no experience in the squad and these blokes are reknowned for their precise kicking? :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
Comments from the super coach... :whistle :bow
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It makes you wonder how much psychological warfare for want of a better expression goes on from clubs about various draftees to try and get them to slip down the draft order to their pick or build up other kids who a club may have no interest in. Rich was bagged mercilessly last year about having no development left in him, no X factor, and he couldn't break a tag. It was utter BS. Cotch likewise was bagged for not being able to break a tag and being an outside player. Joel Selwood's body wouldn't stand up to AFL after 5 years. Mitch Clark and Buddy had bad attitudes who would head home to WA. None of them had great U18 Champs but they've showed their worth at AFL level and why as juniors they were rated so highly.
Butcher kicked 32.19 this year from 11 TAC Cup games. Hardly the stats of a hack goalkicker. If we rubbished key forwards because of the occasional yips in front of the big sticks we would call Buddy, Richo, N.Riewoldt, J.Brown all duds when in fact quality big key forwards are matchwinners.
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You're right WAT its a forum, but if you are prepared to make suggestions which is your right I or anybody can make a comment on those suggestions which is our right. It's nothing personal to you if I don't agree with them. I don't know you from a bar of soap or anybody on this forum from that matter. You would hardly call my responses offensive to you or anybody.
As for me "Supercoach? " No not at all just presenting an answer to your suggestions and those suggestions I wish to talk about. If your skin is not that thick and I strike a raw nerve with my responses to your suggestions then so be it. If psychologically you crave acceptance and disagreeing with you prevents you from attaining this then I suggest you look for spiritual enlightenment to fulfill you and the rest will eventually fall into place. Just really think about what you are presenting. Rewording the same question with a different name is not putting anything out there.
You need to see a shrink WAT and get some thicker skin if you want to present us with your thoughts and then cry foul when you are not agreed upon. Hence your ideas are so revered on Big Footy and Punt Rd End. :lol :rollin :lol
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It makes you wonder how much psychological warfare for want of a better expression goes on from clubs about various draftees to try and get them to slip down the draft order to their pick or build up other kids who a club may have no interest in. Rich was bagged mercilessly last year about having no development left in him, no X factor, and he couldn't break a tag. It was utter BS. Cotch likewise was bagged for not being able to break a tag and being an outside player. Joel Selwood's body wouldn't stand up to AFL after 5 years. Mitch Clark and Buddy had bad attitudes who would head home to WA. None of them had great U18 Champs but they've showed their worth at AFL level and why as juniors they were rated so highly.
Butcher kicked 32.19 this year from 11 TAC Cup games. Hardly the stats of a hack goalkicker. If we rubbished key forwards because of the occasional yips in front of the big sticks we would call Buddy, Richo, N.Riewoldt, J.Brown all duds when in fact quality big key forwards are matchwinners.
Its exactly what i have been saying all along but on this forum Butcher will always remain a terrible kick.
Too much emphasis has been on these bloody draft camps. Nathan Buckley says if you dont hit the target then there is something wrong. I even heard roosy i think say he wasn't a fan of this testing.
A player can be the best player all year in the TAC Cup but have an average draft camp then slide out of the top 10.
Butcher will be that guy this year but i just get the feeling it will come back to bite us.
We need to do everything we can to upgrade that Pick 19.
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You're right WAT its a forum, but if you are prepared to make suggestions which is your right I or anybody can make a comment on those suggestions which is our right. It's nothing personal to you if I don't agree with them. I don't know you from a bar of soap or anybody on this forum from that matter. You would hardly call my responses offensive to you or anybody.
As for me "Supercoach? " No not at all just presenting an answer to your suggestions and those suggestions I wish to talk about. If your skin is not that thick and I strike a raw nerve with my responses to your suggestions then so be it. If psychologically you crave acceptance and disagreeing with you prevents you from attaining this then I suggest you look for spiritual enlightenment to fulfill you and the rest will eventually fall into place. Just really think about what you are presenting. Rewording the same question with a different name is not putting anything out there.
You need to see a shrink WAT and get some thicker skin if you want to present us with your thoughts and then cry foul when you are not agreed upon. Hence your ideas are so revered on Big Footy and Punt Rd End. :lol :rollin :lol
:sleep :sleep :sleep. If you pass on the name of your shrink to me I will see what I can do!! You did not put an answer to my question you told me to leave it alone, you told me, that is not a forum that is an order!!
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Hide your apparent lack of footy knowledge by trying to present an intelligent argument. :whistle
I can honestly say you are the biggest fwit on this forum. All you do is talk crap. Your suggestions are as lame as they are stupid. You are so detatched from reality footy wise I wonder whether you actually know the game. :wallywink
Nevertheless I hope when you have your snooze tonight Richmond does pick up Hooper McDonald and every Eagle and Docker out of contract beacause that's how close to reality it will become.FACT. Won't help RFC won't do anything for us, but only an idiot like you would actually mention it. :help
Have a good night.
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Let's leave the personal squabbles out of the posting people and stick to the topic ::)
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ooooh i do like pointless passionate sniping!!!
My thoughts are that if you have a raft of talented midfeilders you will go alot further than having one mega talented KPP (and Butcher from all accounts is not mega talented). Geelong won this year with a so so forward line and one of the better midfields ever assembled. You watch the development Post, Jack & Vickery when they are getting the ball delivered lace out by Delidio & co.
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Overflowing hamburger theory CV. :thumbsup
Build it and they will come.
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Hide your apparent lack of footy knowledge by trying to present an intelligent argument. :whistle
I can honestly say you are the biggest fwit on this forum. All you do is talk crap. Your suggestions are as lame as they are stupid. You are so detatched from reality footy wise I wonder whether you actually know the game. :wallywink
Nevertheless I hope when you have your snooze tonight Richmond does pick up Hooper McDonald and every Eagle and Docker out of contract beacause that's how close to reality it will become.FACT. Won't help RFC won't do anything for us, but only an idiot like you would actually mention it. :help
Have a good night.
Yeak ok, I won't lower myself, enjoy your night too..
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Martin has been my first selection for some time now. I actually rate him higher than Trengove based on his disposal skills, core strength (breaks tackles), poise in tight situations, ability to win his own ball and overhead ability. Based purely on the footage I have seen, the only pluses Trengove has on Martin is his leadership ability (Capt of SA) and defensive mindset. I have not seen any evidence that Martin does not have a defensive side to his game but can only go on what I have seen on the clips so if someone has seen either player in person please tell me otherwise.
Either way I believe the defensive/team-orientated elements will be drummed into all new recruits and existing players alike where-as offensive skills are much harder to teach.
I will be very pleased if we get Martin but we need to make sure we get the best KPF with our next choice.
Stripes
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It makes you wonder how much psychological warfare for want of a better expression goes on from clubs about various draftees to try and get them to slip down the draft order to their pick or build up other kids who a club may have no interest in. Rich was bagged mercilessly last year about having no development left in him, no X factor, and he couldn't break a tag. It was utter BS. Cotch likewise was bagged for not being able to break a tag and being an outside player. Joel Selwood's body wouldn't stand up to AFL after 5 years. Mitch Clark and Buddy had bad attitudes who would head home to WA. None of them had great U18 Champs but they've showed their worth at AFL level and why as juniors they were rated so highly.
Butcher kicked 32.19 this year from 11 TAC Cup games. Hardly the stats of a hack goalkicker. If we rubbished key forwards because of the occasional yips in front of the big sticks we would call Buddy, Richo, N.Riewoldt, J.Brown all duds when in fact quality big key forwards are matchwinners.
You're spot on MT. Absolutely happens.
But you can't predict the future and only draft on what is in front of view. Butcher has been in the system 2 years and has shown the highs and lows. Martin has shown all this year and shown plenty.
With Melbourne picking Scully and Trengrove our pol for pick 3 is:
Martin
Butcher
Cunnington
Moribito
Lucas
Can't see anyone else been taken ahead of all of that group..
We can't afford another Oakly Nicholls.
Butcher could flop and history suggests the Tiger faithful are inpatient, he's nervous in front fo goal and could get eaten up by the pressure of it all. 1.7 in a Grand Final suggest he isn't an Ice Man.
In fairness he's been over analyzed but there are no flaws in Martins game. He's teh best bet to hold the stigma of Number 3 pick.
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Martin has been my first selection for some time now. I actually rate him higher than Trengove based on his disposal skills, core strength (breaks tackles), poise in tight situations, ability to win his own ball and overhead ability. Based purely on the footage I have seen, the only pluses Trengove has on Martin is his leadership ability (Capt of SA) and defensive mindset. I have not seen any evidence that Martin does not have a defensive side to his game but can only go on what I have seen on the clips so if someone has seen either player in person please tell me otherwise.
Either way I believe the defensive/team-orientated elements will be drummed into all new recruits and existing players alike where-as offensive skills are much harder to teach.
I will be very pleased if we get Martin but we need to make sure we get the best KPF with our next choice.
Stripes
I agree Stripes.
Trengrove however will captain Melbourne in 6 years time, Martin wouldn't. Trengrove just oozes out leadership very very Ricciuto/Buckleyesk.
Martin is our man.
Deledio, Cotchin, Foley, Martin, Tambling, Collins and Jackson is our midfield that can deliver it to Humphrey B Bear for all I care. There is no point having greats like Matthew Richardson or Brendon Fevola up forward for 10 years if you have the likes of Clinton King, Tim Fleming and Jordan McMahon kicking balls into the forward 50..
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we are picking Martin based on his efforts at the Nathan Buckley inspired draft camp.
Ive seen the footage and yes he looks great but Butcher should be our go, which ive said from day one.
So many forwards have trouble kicking early but still come up with the goods when needed. Stuey Lowe was arguably the worst kick in the league and look how he changed his kicking around.
We are absolutely kidding ourselves if we think Jack R and Morton are going to do it on their own. We need another forward and fast.
we're not pickin martin based on his draft camp results. it's the media's doing. we already knew martin could play very well before draft camp. his results were simply the icing on the cake. even if he didn't do so well in the sprint, we would still be very high on him. as for the kicking test, there was no doubthe woudl do well in that so it ain't a deciding factor.
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Trengrove is my preference but Martin looks a solid if unspectacular choice.
Just hope we don't play it too safe and avoid missing a match winner.
Unfortunately given our recent poor recruiting efforts we'll go for the sure bet when someone like Morabito could be an absolute star.
Certainly won't scream if we take Martin though, looks like he can play at least.
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Scully, Trengove and Martin should all be 200 game players. So whoever we get isnt a problem. One thing I like about Martin is that he is a bigger type midfielder and will complement our existing group really well. Our draft wont be made of who is our first pick. It will be determined by if we can trade out any players and get picks and who we pick in the 2nd and 3rd round as well as who we draft with the picks we get from other clubs for our traded out players.
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Just looking at the footage of this Martin kid again and he will really complement our midfield no doubt about it. He is also ready to go come round 1 and with a pre-season behind him and Cuz, Cotch, Lids, Jackson and Tambling we will have a really exciting midfield......... What is it about 170 odd days until round 1... :thumbsup
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Just looking at the footage of this Martin kid again and he will really complement our midfield no doubt about it. He is also ready to go come round 1 and with a pre-season behind him and Cuz, Cotch, Lids, Jackson and Tambling we will have a really exciting midfield......... What is it about 170 odd days until round 1... :thumbsup
Don't forget Foley WA Tiger! :cheers
Jackson will never be a star midfielder but has the athleticism and size to make a difference around stoppages for us at the moment. Just lacks the skills to fit into that group in the future I feel. Maybe White could break into the role?
Stripes
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Just looking at the footage of this Martin kid again and he will really complement our midfield no doubt about it. He is also ready to go come round 1 and with a pre-season behind him and Cuz, Cotch, Lids, Jackson and Tambling we will have a really exciting midfield......... What is it about 170 odd days until round 1... :thumbsup
Don't forget Foley WA Tiger! :cheers
Jackson will never be a star midfielder but has the athleticism and size to make a difference around stoppages for us at the moment. Just lacks the skills to fit into that group in the future I feel. Maybe White could break into the role?
Stripes
Andy Collins :cheers
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What I've seen of Martin I like a lot.
In many ways he is the safe bet. What we haven't considered is the rules committee and trends of the game. KP forwards have been slaughtered with the hands in the back rule and also the amount of spare men back clogging up space. There are less genuine match winning KP forwards than ever and in this respect Butcher is a risk because the bar is so much higher. If the ever unpredictable AFL rules committee wanted to make the game more attractive to watch and go back to the days of marking forwards and higher scores than all of a sudden blokes like Butcher are a must.
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KP forwards have been slaughtered with the hands in the back rule ......
How so?
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KP forwards have been slaughtered with the hands in the back rule ......
How so?
Standard part of any KP forwards repertoire until the AFL decided to outlaw it.
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Just looking at the footage of this Martin kid again and he will really complement our midfield no doubt about it. He is also ready to go come round 1 and with a pre-season behind him and Cuz, Cotch, Lids, Jackson and Tambling we will have a really exciting midfield......... What is it about 170 odd days until round 1... :thumbsup
hell yes!! A preseason with a comfortable and talkitive Cuz could only help the boys aswell. I am all for picking safe 200 game early draft pics, leave the risks to 5th and 6th rounds. :thumbsup
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Just looking at the footage of this Martin kid again and he will really complement our midfield no doubt about it. He is also ready to go come round 1 and with a pre-season behind him and Cuz, Cotch, Lids, Jackson and Tambling we will have a really exciting midfield......... What is it about 170 odd days until round 1... :thumbsup
Don't forget Foley WA Tiger! :cheers
Jackson will never be a star midfielder but has the athleticism and size to make a difference around stoppages for us at the moment. Just lacks the skills to fit into that group in the future I feel. Maybe White could break into the role?
Stripes
Whoops forgot about Foley and Collins....... please not false hope again, couple of years :)
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:)
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KP forwards have been slaughtered with the hands in the back rule ......
How so?
Standard part of any KP forwards repertoire until the AFL decided to outlaw it.
Nup. No players, including key forwards, were ever allowed to use a hand in the back up until the early 90's when the insidious practice crept in, along with wrestling. Stephen Silvagni and Alistair Lynch were the pioneers and past masters at it. Up until then the players had to use their own body strength and skills to time a leap, bump or positioning and it was a skill as important as any other. When scragging and pushing became the vogue it removed one of the best skills from the game and with it went the era of high goalkicking full forwards. Lockett, Ablett, Dunstall, Quinlan, Roach, Templeton, Hudson, McKenna, Wade etc etc - all high goal scoring key forwards and played most or all of their careers in the day of no pushing in the back. After Lockett retired no goal kicker kicked a ton until the AFL decided to play the game by the existing rule (there was no rule change here - just a re-emphasis on the existing rule) and then Buddy kicks a ton. Best day's work Adolph and his mates have done - the game is a far better spectacle and test of skills for it.
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14.1 in the beep test for Martin
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/videoid/50705/draft+camp+review+pt+1/Default.aspx#VideoPlayerB
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Nup. No players, including key forwards, were ever allowed to use a hand in the back up until the early 90's when the insidious practice crept in, along with wrestling.
When scragging and pushing became the vogue it removed one of the best skills from the game and with it went the era of high goalkicking full forwards. Lockett, Ablett, Dunstall, Quinlan, Roach, Templeton, Hudson, McKenna, Wade etc etc - all high goal scoring key forwards and played most or all of their careers in the day of no pushing in the back
I've only been watching footy 20 years which is not as long as some but its been there as long as I remember. I think there is a subtle difference between a push and putting your hands up to maintain position. A push has always been a push, but the AFL now has zero tolerance on any hands which I think has disadvantaged forwards greatly.
Best day's work Adolph and his mates have done - the game is a far better spectacle and test of skills for it.
Most people in footy would disagree I feel. 6 coaches this season voted it the worst rules change the AFL has made. One voted it the best rule change. Buckley voted against it as players rep. Walls and Aker both came out against it. I think general perception in footy circles was that it was a bad change.
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I've only been watching footy 20 years which is not as long as some but its been there as long as I remember.
And that's about when it all started - early 90's is about 20 years ago.
I think there is a subtle difference between a push and putting your hands up to maintain position. A push has always been a push, but the AFL now has zero tolerance on any hands which I think has disadvantaged forwards greatly.
Putting your hands in the back of a player was always illegal whether it was a push or to stop the player coming back further or just to hold your position. The skill was (is) in timing and using your body - the smallest player can out-position the biggest player by timing and subtle use of the arms and/or hips, whereas in the wrestlemania that evolved it was just a case of the biggest gorilla or sneakiest cheat would win out. It was only the slackness of the AFL that allowed the blight to creep in and become accepted. It promoted pushing, scragging, shoving, wrestling and reduced the spectacle of our great game significantly.
Best day's work Adolph and his mates have done - the game is a far better spectacle and test of skills for it.
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Most people in footy would disagree I feel. 6 coaches this season voted it the worst rules change the AFL has made. One voted it the best rule change. Buckley voted against it as players rep. Walls and Aker both came out against it. I think general perception in footy circles was that it was a bad change.
The rule didn't change - it remained what it always was and just got 're-applied' how it always had been in the past and always should have been. Of course modern players would speak out against it - they have never known any different and would have some fear of a skill they have never had to learn. It is the most refreshing thing to have come out of football in the last 10 years - a return to a more skills oriented game. And regardless of the right/wrong of the rule interpretation - I would argue that it has done more to bring key forwards into the game than anything else. The old interpretation was a backman's best friend - made his job soooo much easier by just having to move his leading opponent under the ball with his hands. Sorry Jake, I can't agree with you on this one.
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Sorry Jake, I can't agree with you on this one.
Agree to disagree and back to Dustin Martin..
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Uummmm Smokey, one obvious point in this discussion that has yet to be raised....How many umpires are on the field now compared to 30 years ago?? That surely must have some impact.I've been watching the game for almost 40 years and I remember Poor old Deller, Smith & co would always struggle to get into a good enough position to pay hands in the back. I recall it happening regularly but free kicks were just never paid.
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Uummmm Smokey, one obvious point in this discussion that has yet to be raised....How many umpires are on the field now compared to 30 years ago?? That surely must have some impact.I've been watching the game for almost 40 years and I remember Poor old Deller, Smith & co would always struggle to get into a good enough position to pay hands in the back. I recall it happening regularly but free kicks were just never paid.
Two field umpires were brought in during the 70's and the game was a hell of a lot slower back then. They didn't miss them any more then than they do now - even the bush umpires in the leagues I played would get most of them right. The whole 'hands in the back' scenario was different - players just didn't try it very often because it was like any other rule - if you put your hands in your opponents back for whatever reason you stood a good chance of giving away a free kick. The players had the natural skills (developed because that was the rule and how the game was played) to use their bodies and timing - it was second nature.
Anyway, as Jake said......back to Dustin Martin. :thumbsup
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Starting to like the sound of 'Aston' Martin.
:cheers
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:)
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The fact that other clubs are showing a keen interest in him makes me hope more and more we get him. This kid seems a real keeper. :thumbsup
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he has class!
:)
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Wouldn't it be funny if the Dee's rolled over and took Trengove & Martin????
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I could sleep at night with Tom Scully at Richmond
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I could sleep at night with Tom Scully at Richmond
i wouldn't sleep!
;)
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I was wondering whether Scully could slide out of the top 2 picks....
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
We do need a change of luck and hopefully the players coming in including Martin will add to the good luck factor. I have been in for Martin as soon as I thought Trengove would go to Melbourne at 1 or 2. Lets hope the Dees don't pull a swifty on us and take him (Martin) at 2. I also think Butcher will really slide, maybe even out of the top 10... IMO.
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
We do need a change of luck and hopefully the players coming in including Martin will add to the good luck factor. I have been in for Martin as soon as I thought Trengove would go to Melbourne at 1 or 2. Lets hope the Dees don't pull a swifty on us and take him (Martin) at 2. I also think Butcher will really slide, maybe even out of the top 10... IMO.
Hopefully he slides to 19. :pray I get the feeling he'll slide too and the only team in the top 10 selections to pick him up may be the Swans who will be in need of a Key Forward(s).
I'm sure there won't be too many complaining about Martin and Butcher becoming Tigers. :thumbsup
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
We do need a change of luck and hopefully the players coming in including Martin will add to the good luck factor. I have been in for Martin as soon as I thought Trengove would go to Melbourne at 1 or 2. Lets hope the Dees don't pull a swifty on us and take him (Martin) at 2. I also think Butcher will really slide, maybe even out of the top 10... IMO.
Hopefully he slides to 19. :pray I get the feeling he'll slide too and the only team in the top 10 selections to pick him up may be the Swans who will be in need of a Key Forward(s).
I'm sure there won't be too many complaining about Martin and Butcher becoming Tigers. :thumbsup
Butcher won't slip outside the 10. And 19 is laughable for a kid with such talent. No chance.
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Deep down I know this TA hence I put a pray smiley at that stage of my post.
Me thinks he'll go to the Swans at pick 6, but it just makes me cringe that we could have got the extra pick had we not won meaningless games against Essendon and Melbourne and addressed a midfield gun with possibly another pick going to a Key Position. Would have given us so much more flexibility. :thumbsup
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
We do need a change of luck and hopefully the players coming in including Martin will add to the good luck factor. I have been in for Martin as soon as I thought Trengove would go to Melbourne at 1 or 2. Lets hope the Dees don't pull a swifty on us and take him (Martin) at 2. I also think Butcher will really slide, maybe even out of the top 10... IMO.
Hopefully he slides to 19. :pray I get the feeling he'll slide too and the only team in the top 10 selections to pick him up may be the Swans who will be in need of a Key Forward(s).
I'm sure there won't be too many complaining about Martin and Butcher becoming Tigers. :thumbsup
You never know do you TB, the draft that yeilded us Deledio and Tambling was a surprise as we had Deledio and Roughead lined up as our first two picks, it was penned in from all accounts and look what happened.
You just never know... ;)
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You never know do you TB, the draft that yeilded us Deledio and Tambling was a surprise as we had Deledio and Roughead lined up as our first two picks, it was penned in from all accounts and look what happened.
You just never know... ;)
Rance is a good example. Touted by most as a top 10 player who slid to 18 due to knocks on his kicking.
Butcher's disposal issues might also see him slide a little but I can't see him getting to 19 in a draft as weak as this.
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You never know do you TB, the draft that yeilded us Deledio and Tambling was a surprise as we had Deledio and Roughead lined up as our first two picks, it was penned in from all accounts and look what happened.
You just never know... ;)
Rance is a good example. Touted by most as a top 10 player who slid to 18 due to knocks on his kicking.
Butcher's disposal issues might also see him slide a little but I can't see him getting to 19 in a draft as weak as this.
Yeah look I can't see him sliding that far either but hope we have, really after the top 3-4 IMO the rest could go at any pick. It will all hinge on clubs needs after about the first 8-12 or so picks.
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You never know do you TB, the draft that yeilded us Deledio and Tambling was a surprise as we had Deledio and Roughead lined up as our first two picks, it was penned in from all accounts and look what happened.
You just never know... ;)
Rance is a good example. Touted by most as a top 10 player who slid to 18 due to knocks on his kicking.
Butcher's disposal issues might also see him slide a little but I can't see him getting to 19 in a draft as weak as this.
Nothing wrong with Butchers kicking infact his got a great kick on him
He has his days like everyone else but can gaurentee the wind conditions aint so great on them days.
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
We do need a change of luck and hopefully the players coming in including Martin will add to the good luck factor. I have been in for Martin as soon as I thought Trengove would go to Melbourne at 1 or 2. Lets hope the Dees don't pull a swifty on us and take him (Martin) at 2. I also think Butcher will really slide, maybe even out of the top 10... IMO.
Hopefully he slides to 19. :pray I get the feeling he'll slide too and the only team in the top 10 selections to pick him up may be the Swans who will be in need of a Key Forward(s).
I'm sure there won't be too many complaining about Martin and Butcher becoming Tigers. :thumbsup
You never know do you TB, the draft that yeilded us Deledio and Tambling was a surprise as we had Deledio and Roughead lined up as our first two picks, it was penned in from all accounts and look what happened.
You just never know... ;)
Yeah but to be fair that was between 4 players who were in the top 5 and stayed in the area despite being scrambled in how they were chosen, here you're talking about a top 5 player, slipping to 19.
You do never know, but this is faaaaaaaar beyond the Deledio/Tambling/Roughead scramble.
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There is no way that the Swans would overlook Butcher twice (6 and 14) and the Demons 4 times (1,2,11 and 18) for him to slip to us at 19 . . . absolutely ZERO!
Having said that, I pray I'm wrong because he will be a superstar :pray
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A post from the Melbourne BF Board so make of it what you will:
Firstly this is not what i want to happen, nor do i believe it will, but..
I rececntly spoke to the uncle of Dustin Martin, who has really impressed at the draft camp. Now his uncle is like his co manager and has been taking calls from a lot of clubs regarding him. Richmond have told him that they will take him at pick number 3. However is uncle said he doesnt know whether he'd rather him go to the tigers or he dees. I quizzed him on the dees thing, and he said melb have contacted him saying that they may yet take him with our pick 2.
For me, i rekon that pick 1 scully and pick 2 trengrove are a clear standout, however, the club must have been impressed with martins draft camp results to be calling him saying that we may take him,
Personally, if the first two names read out in the draft arent scully and trengrove, id be fair dissapointed, as these 2 players are ready made footballers, who a clearly a bit ahead of the rest. No offence to martin of course.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15989061&postcount=1
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This may make a few on here sleep a little easier over the next couple of months, i hear our recruiters really liked Martin even before Trengrove had the finals series he had. At least it makes me think that they have done their homework this year interms of young kids. I just hope they get the next few picks right.
We need a change of luck at Tigerland!!!! :gotigers
We do need a change of luck and hopefully the players coming in including Martin will add to the good luck factor. I have been in for Martin as soon as I thought Trengove would go to Melbourne at 1 or 2. Lets hope the Dees don't pull a swifty on us and take him (Martin) at 2. I also think Butcher will really slide, maybe even out of the top 10... IMO.
Scully / Trengrove / Martin
any would will fine
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Perhaps they are scared of the go home factor
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Perhaps they are scared of the go home factor
yeah, Scully might go home to dandenong.:)
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Perhaps they are scared of the go home factor
They'll go for Scully and Trengove but the Dees did get burnt when they lost Scott Thompson to Adelaide.
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He has his days like everyone else but can gaurentee the wind conditions aint so great on them days.
wtf does that even mean ?
That he,just like every other prik,kicks wayward on windy days ?
wtf ?
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He has his days like everyone else but can gaurentee the wind conditions aint so great on them days.
wtf does that even mean ?
That he,just like every other prik,kicks wayward on windy days ?
wtf ?
Yep
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Welcome Dustin Martin to Tigerland .....
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MELBOURNE recruiters flew to Adelaide to meet Jack Trengove last week, giving the first real indication he will be taken high in next month’s AFL Draft.
Victorian Tom Scully is the other recruit expected to go in the top two, the East Torrens Messenger reports.
Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast said the pair’s "work rate" and "big engines" set them apart from the rest of a draft that could throw up a few surprises in the top 20.
"Obviously Trengove and Scully is what everyone in the industry predicts.
"There’s no doubt they’re around the mark."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/demons-give-jack-trengove-hint/story-e6frf9jf-1225791384285
http://east-torrens-messenger.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/jacks-our-man/
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:thumbsup
Welcome Dustin Martin!
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Here's more video of Martin.....
Dustin Martin
D.O.B: 26-Jun-1991
Club: Bendigo Pioneers
State: VIC
Height: 187cm
Weight: 86kg
Position: Midfielder
Attacking on-baller with great balance and ball winning ability. Averaged 21 possessions per game for Vic Country at NAB AFL U18 Championships, winning All-Australian honours. Good skills on both sides of this body. From Castlemaine FC.
Video: http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=115905 (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=115905)
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Top four draft picks seem set
afl.com.au
By Matt Burgan | Wed 04 November, 2009
THE TOP four of this year's NAB AFL Draft appears settled.
With just 22 days until the 24th AFL Draft, the names Tom Scully (Dandenong Stingrays), Jack Trengove (Sturt), Dustin Martin (Bendigo Pioneers) and Anthony Morabito (Peel Thunder) seem likely to fill the first four spots.
Melbourne has the first two picks, with Scully and Trengove almost certain to become Demons.
Although Scully firmed as the No.1 pick during the 2009 NAB AFL under-18 championships - and still remains the hot tip - the brilliant form of Trengove in this year's senior SANFL finals could see the South Australian shift from No.2 to No.1.
Regardless of who is No.1 and No.2, it will be a massive surprise if Scully and Trengove are not Demons by the conclusion of the meeting on Thursday November 26.
Richmond has the third pick, with Martin strongly linked to Punt Rd.
He has continued to rise up the pecking order throughout the year and this was only further enhanced with his outstanding efforts at the NAB AFL Draft Camp in late September/early October.
Rounding out the quarter is Morabito, the run-and-carry midfielder and versatile 190cm tall who has been likened to Sydney Swans star Adam Goodes.
Some recruiters believe the Western Australian has the qualities to be a No.1 draft pick, but his destination appears to be Fremantle.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86609/default.aspx
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Dustin Martin is already 86 kgs ?....is that correct or am I dreaming ?
That would make him one of our biggest midfielders already.
Im guessing he will go very close to playing Rd 1.
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Dustin Martin is already 86 kgs ?....is that correct or am I dreaming ?
That would make him one of our biggest midfielders already.
Im guessing he will go very close to playing Rd 1.
afldraftinfo.com has him at 88kg
http://www.afldraftinfo.com/2009/10/dustin-martin-bendigo-pioneersvic.html
Height: 186cm
Weight: 88kg
Which is 2cm shorter and the same wt as Lids
I love the idea of a ready made footballer, not sure how accurate that is though.
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Let's see how strong he is at AFL level. He has been used to playing against smaller midfielder opponents at junior level so he will take time to get used to the pace and strength needed for the level. Rich found it much easier to transition given he had already been playing against elite adults.
Regardless, I am impressed by both his size, recorded speed, skill level of both sides and furiousity at the contest. Looking forward to seeing him in action next year with Lids and a injury free Cotchin. :thumbsup
Stripes
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The more this drags out the more I am hating it, I have this funny feeling that the Dee's are going to surprise everyone and take him at 2 after Trengove, just a feeling and I hope it does not come off. :pray
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The more this drags out the more I am hating it, I have this funny feeling that the Dee's are going to surprise everyone and take him at 2 after Trengove, just a feeling and I hope it does not come off. :pray
I too get that feeling WAT. To mind both Trengrove and Scully have a question mark over them - Scully's knee and Trengrove has that dreaded 'go home once hes made a name for himself' factor, both of which must have at least crossed the minds of the Dees recruitment team.
I too hope we are wrong :pray
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Stop worrying you too. Scully and Trengrove are a given for Melbourne due to their constant standout form over a long period. Trengove also has great leadership qualities. If Melbourne overlooked either the backlash if they continued to build on the form they have produced over the last couple of years would be significant. While Martin is very close he has not had the same opportunities to shine as Scully and Trengove has due to having to shoulder more of the responsibility in a weaker team - sounds like our young stars doesn't it!
All indicators are is that the decision has been made from Melbourne, us and Fremantle so I would be surprized (and a little annoyed) if it didn't pan out the way it is predicted.
There is very few surprizes now days with the early picks...
Stripes
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To WAT & Al ....just check out the site "demonland" and "demonology".To say they are getting orgasmic over the prospect of Scully & Trengrove is a massive under statement......They even have a Scully/Trengrove countdown clock.
I had a quick look and Its like they have never heard of Martin.
In the end does it really matter..... The top 3 are all guns.
Dont worry.....be happy.
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The more this drags out the more I am hating it, I have this funny feeling that the Dee's are going to surprise everyone and take him at 2 after Trengove, just a feeling and I hope it does not come off. :pray
Not something I'll be losing sleep over
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In the end does it really matter..... The top 3 are all guns.
Dont worry.....be happy.
exactly. I would welcome scully with open arms in the unlikely event he slides.
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In the end does it really matter..... The top 3 are all guns.
Dont worry.....be happy.
exactly. I would welcome scully with open arms in the unlikely event he slides.
I think anyone would. Just the nature of his knee injury has to put a question over his long term durability.
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I would be orgasmic with Martin.
I would be ecstatic with Trengove.
It will be terrific if we get Scully.
I can't be more specific. :gotigers
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To WAT & Al ....just check out the site "demonland" and "demonology".To say they are getting orgasmic over the prospect of Scully & Trengrove is a massive under statement......They even have a Scully/Trengrove countdown clock.
I had a quick look and Its like they have never heard of Martin.
In the end does it really matter..... The top 3 are all guns.
Dont worry.....be happy.
Tambling was as good as gone to the Hawks too and.........
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Now I am a little more worried........ I just wished the hell they would stop the Martin articles and pump up Scully and Trengove. :scream
Dustin Martin's born to play AFL
Mark Robinson From: Herald Sun November 07, 2009
DUSTIN Martin says he was born to play AFL. While some could assume the highly rated teen is arrogant, he's just a confident kid, writes Mark Robinson.
THERE'S a fine line between confidence, arrogance and reality, and Dustin Martin doesn't seem to be ruffled by any moniker.
The probable No. 3 pick - which points him at Richmond - is so immersed in what he wants and his self-belief, that his philosophy may well raise eyebrows even before he plays an AFL game.
This guy, who was named centre in the All Australian under-18 team, is young, brutally honest and a school leaver after Year 9, partly because his parents split and dad was living in Sydney.
He talks slowly and softly about his footy, bluntly about his life and when he tells you he believes he was born to play AFL, it's difficult not to tell him there is no such a thing.
Whatever generation we are up to, say hello to Gen Next.
"I reckon I was born to play AFL," he said.
Bit arrogant?
"I don't think I'm arrogant at all, like, it's just something I want. I want to play AFL, that's all I want to do.
"I just want it so bad. I don't care where I play, as a long as I get the opportunity."
He has spoken to 12 clubs, and not Melbourne, which doesn't surprise him.
He, like everyone, expects Tom Scully and Jack Trengove to go No. 1 and No. 2.
He has met Richmond twice, before and during the draft camp.
"I think they're pretty keen," he said.
"No one has said they'll take me yet. If it's Richmond, it will be awesome, over the moon."
If it is Richmond, the expectations on him - as they are on Trent Cotchin - will be, well, Richmond-like: Please, please, deliver.
He says he is not daunted. "They've got a lot of young players coming through, I reckon it would be unreal to help the club get up and going. If I get there, I'll work as hard as I can pre-season and get as fit as I can.
"And if I get really fit I reckon I'm a chance to play first game. I've got the ability, I just have to work on my fitness, get super-fit.
"I really want to do this. I'll just do my best and do what the coaches think; I'm not better than anyone else; I'll just work as hard as I can for the team."
Martin was born and bred in Castlemaine.
His dad Shane is a Maori who arrived in Australia when he was 21, and played at Harcourt and then Kangaroo Flat in the Bendigo league.
"He (Dad) wasn't any good at footy, and I don't think mum's (Kathy) played any sport," he said, wondering where the talent came from.
As for Martin's desire for the contest, which has wowed recruiters, that comes from the old man.
"When he 0used to play footy he reckons he was a real hard nut, he reckons he used to clean blokes up," he laughs.
"Everyone knew him as Kiwi. Apparently in his first game he kicked a goal for the opposition because he didn't know what he was doing."
While playing under-16s footy, Martin and Castlemaine High learnt they had irreconcilable differences, forcing dad to move him to Sydney.
"I was playing up at school. I didn't like school, so dad made me move up with him to pull me into line a little bit," he said.
"I just wasn't a fan of school. I hated it, but I regret it now, I wish I had stayed at school."
His future is footy and personal training, in which he has certificate three and is chasing certificate four.
At the draft camp, where clubs probe and poke players like laboratory rats, Martin expected questions about his schooling.
But not what Port Adelaide delivered.
"I think I was talking to Port Adelaide and they asked me about when I left school and stuff like that," he said.
"Sometimes I'm a little bit embarrassed to say I left that early, but, yeah, Port Adelaide asked me if I was dumb and I said no."
They used word dumb?
"Yeah."
Harsh?
"I don't mind."
In Sydney, he worked at dad's transport business and at his dad's girlfriend's sports apparel business, at the same time having a run with the Campbelltown Blues under-18s. He was rewarded with a senior game at the end of the season.
He returned to Victoria at the end of '07, played senior football for Castlemaine and the last four games for the Bendigo Pioneers in 2008, and most of this year with the Pioneers, where he was runner-up in the best-and-fairest.
Martin is an inside player who wins his own ball, is accomplished outside, loves to try to break tackles, was rated the second-best kick at the draft camp - with both feet - and was second with 2.89sec over 20m.
In other words, he is quick, tough, and uses the ball.
Someone close to him described him as Lenny Hayes with a touch more polish.
Hayes is 186cm and 85kg. Martin is 187cm and 87kg.
Martin also likes Joel Selwood, another Bendigo product.
"I like Lenny Hayes and Joel Selwood," he said.
"Joel is definitely similar to the way I want to play, just the way he wins the footy, gets it out, gets it again, his decision-making and vision, and without the footy he's really good."
For Bendigo, Martin averaged 24.7 touches (9.7 contested) and 115 SuperCoach points in 11 games.
For Vic Country in the under-18 championships, his numbers slightly dropped to 21.4 (7.2) and 111 points in five games.
At Bendigo, he was ranked No. 1 in disposals, contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s and score assists.
In the final under-18 match of the national championships, against Western Australia, the whole football industry watched Martin gather 28 touches, five clearances and an astonishing 193 SuperCoach points.
His All Australian selection didn't explode his head.
"I wasn't, `Oh my God, I'm centre for the All Australian'. I just got on with playing footy," he said.
It's the same when peers tell him he's going to Richmond.
"I hear that all the time, but anything can happen on draft day," he said.
Still, he thinks he will be a Tiger. But when football is your gateway to life, even the very confident can get very vulnerable.
"I'm scared of not getting drafted," he said.
"When I'm lying down in bed, I think, `it would be just so s--- if I didn't get drafted'."
He need not worry.
PROFILE:
DUSTIN MARTIN
Age: 18
Height: 187cm
Weight: 87kg
Position: Midfielder
Lives: Bendigo
Club: Bendigo Pioneers
Bloodlines: Father is from New Zealand, and only played low-level Australian football.
Draft Camp: Second in kicking accuracy and in the 20m sprint (2.89s).
Injury watch: Nothing of note.
The mail: Strong, hard-at-it competitor, highly skilled left and right, and can run. Will go at No.3 to the Tigers.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-tough/story-e6frf9jf-1225795211997
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Now I am a little more worried........ I just wished the hell they would stop the Martin articles and pump up Scully and Trengove. :scream
He has spoken to 12 clubs, and not Melbourne
He need not worry.
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I still cant believe Melbourne haven't spoken to him.
A tad negligent on there part. :gobdrop
But im very happy with D.Martin donning the yellow sash for years to come. :)
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I still cant believe Melbourne haven't spoken to him.
A tad negligent on there part. :gobdrop
But im very happy with D.Martin donning the yellow sash for years to come. :)
fairly strong indicator on their preferences then :o
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Well lets keep our fingers crossed then.
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g'day all - first post ;D
no doubting his footy talent, but anyone else concerned that the kid left school after year 9?
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Just because a kid leaves school at year 9 doesnt mean hes a ratbag. Lots of ratsbags have completed school and gone to uni. In the end, 2 things count- 1 can he play 2) is he an honest kid thats prepared to work hard?
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g'day all - first post ;D
no doubting his footy talent, but anyone else concerned that the kid left school after year 9?
ummm, is he applying to be CEO or the next star centreman ::)...when I glance at the tigers team of the century I dont see to many rhodes scholars...get some perspective , plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ???
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g'day all - first post ;D
no doubting his footy talent, but anyone else concerned that the kid left school after year 9?
Nah. There are many reasons he may have left, not all of them because he is stupid. Even if he is I can think of quite a few champions of the game whom I wouldn't credit as having very much brain power. Dermie, Carey, GA snr spring to mind without even trying.
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g'day all - first post ;D
no doubting his footy talent, but anyone else concerned that the kid left school after year 9?
ummm, is he applying to be CEO or the next star centreman ::)...when I glance at the tigers team of the century I dont see to many rhodes scholars...get some perspective , plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ???
fair enough ;)
i know they can't all be rocket scientists, but please don't turn out to be another Alan Didak ;D
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Sounds like he left school and continued his education at TAFE
Hardly warning bell stuff
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The fact that Choco and Co labelled the lad 'dumb' might've put a wry smile on young Dustin's face!! I reckon I would've be laughing hysterically if the Alberton basket cases had the cheek to call the kettle black :D
Sounds like he left school and continued his education at TAFE
Hardly warning bell stuff
kudos if he did go on with something other than just footy over the past two years or so :)
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relax people, he is applying for a Football Career, not a course at Melbourne University.
what springs to my mind is what D.Hardwick said when he was announced as Richmond coach.
along the lines of ...
"i want our players to leave a better person once they have done their time at Richmond"
Martin could be that example, after 300+ matches and Premierships :thumbsup
having his parents split up could of influenced his Year 9 drop-out maybe?
however, he sounds confident and hunger.
hopefully he gets as big as a Kiwi and plays like Lenny Hayes and Joel Selwood.
Welcome to Richmond Dustin!
:)
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Stupid and arrogant! He will fit right in.
Only joking people! :lol
Looking forward to seeing him in black and yellow. :cheers
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Now I am a little more worried........ I just wished the hell they would stop the Martin articles and pump up Scully and Trengove. :scream
WAT, I am thinking we should start calling you WORT as in WORRY WORT :rollin :rollin :rollin
this is the first "Martin article" I've read
Bottom line is he is more likely to end up at Richmond than not end up at Richmond..
If he doesn't we end up with either Scully or Trengrove.... nothing to worry about at all
:thumbsup :thumbsup
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If Martin was runner up B&F for the Pioneers, who won?
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going down the midfield draft track again spells doom for Tigerland :banghead
we need KPP to build around in the forward line
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going down the midfield draft track again spells doom for Tigerland :banghead
we need KPP to build around in the forward line
Ive got a smokey and I will detail in the phantom draft at about pick 67.
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If Martin was runner up B&F for the Pioneers, who won?
Bendigo Pioneers
Best and fairest: Kallen Geary.
Runner-up best and fairest: Dustin Martin.
I know martin missed Pioneer games to play for VC but I'm unsure if Geary played for VC also.
I think he did.
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going down the midfield draft track again spells doom for Tigerland :banghead
we need KPP to build around in the forward line
we'd be damn fools to overlook this kid for the likes of Butcher, we will snare a player of his ilk with No 19 as in Temil et al
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going down the midfield draft track again spells doom for Tigerland :banghead
we need KPP to build around in the forward line
we'd be damn fools to overlook this kid for the likes of Butcher, we will snare a player of his ilk with No 19 as in Temil et al
lol there be no body left at pick 19
Midfielders are key figures in every single draft but tall skilled KPP are far & few. Its no good having a super midfield with a dud forward line you win more woodens spoons than play finals footy ;D :lol Thats Richmond 100% :rollin
Rewoldt is a dudley softy & Richo is a broken mule who gets more injections than the doctor carries in his medical kit
Morton is a one action footballer everytime he gets the ball. They will stop him next season & he dont follow team rules anyway thats why he got dropped.
We have continued to fail in a forward line for decades & have had no success. Its common knowledge to build teams around your forwards. Look at Hawthorn, Brisbane. Essendon
To win games you must plan to attack with strength. Not build your side from the backline. Only a coach with no knowledge like Terry Wallace defends from the first bounce & continues to defend & push back when his losing :rollin ;D And to top it off the Richmond players kick it scared at every option coming out of the backline & midfield :lol
Good forwards builds team confidence, why is Richmond so backwards in understanding that.
Deledio how he won the best & fairest this year is the biggest joke of the year. His form half the year was below standard
His playing well below his level as are many other midfielders. To have a old player like Cousins who missed several years of football & destroyed his health & is injury riddled to be the most dominating midfielder & shows extreme class Richmond has is the biggest blight on the club as players like Deledio should be doing twice his workload & dominating.
All those midfielders apart from Cousins need a wake up call & need to be pushed alot harder
getting rid of Patto will bite us as l said for years now Hawthorn have always wanted him & will get him. It will be another player who will show he had plenty of talent
If anyone dont thinks a team is not created around the forward KP's then go figure.
For years we have had no players figure in the goalkicking.
For years we have kicked low scores
For years we have had low percentages
For years the games we have won are mostly won by just getting over the line
For years we have had Richo let the team down who cant kick a straight goal at the most important moment
For years the Richmond supporters have seen the same poo over & over & over & its got to stop
For the sake of the Tiger skin HARDWICK draft some KPP's that play Ruck & Forward Connerly & Butcher are indurance ruckmen / forwards who can play today modern game
One thing l will say that Martin is a very powerful & smart midfielder who can go straight into a AFL side with his size & skill.
no doubt he would be a great asset in our midfield but who are the players going to kick the goals remembering Nathan Brown was a major player in setting up goals.
And we need a very mobile atheletic ruckmen
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Monk, a question, Where does Geelong's strength lay, midfield or forwards? Three grand final appearances for two flags. Straight kicking could have been three....And their dominating match winning KPFs are...?
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I have to disagree with you TM. You can have all the best power forwards you want but if you can't get it to them then they can't kick them. Hawthorn this year is a prime example. Franklin, Roughead and Rioli were not dominant and the premier team couldn't even make the eight because their midfield got decimated by injuries and form. And as al said - Geelong have won 2 out of 3 grand finals with an average forward line but a Rolls Royce midfield. It's no coincidence. Of course, we shouldn't neglect the need for key forwards but I don't think we should prioritise them over quality mids until we have got a top line midfield on it's way. Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Martin, Collins, Foley, Jackson - yep, we're on the way but not there yet.
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Monk, a question, Where does Geelong's strength lay, midfield or forwards? Three grand final appearances for two flags. Straight kicking could have been three....And their dominating match winning KPFs are...?
Geelong has strength all throughout thier side which was built by dedicated young players who play team football & shared the same hunger over the hard times.
They are committed all over the ground & have standout players because they do the extra hard work
The club made the correct decisions & drafted the players they lacked in & have staff just as dedicated to their jobs. Note Duncan Kellaway working for them cause Richmond shafted the Kellaways & showed them no respect like they did to others from the club which has clearly affected them over many years.
Bombers Thompson head was on the chopping block but they persisted & got the method right & were rewarded with 3 GF's & 2 flags so thats a terrific return.
They are still favorites for next season & thier home ground plays a huge advantage because even a undermaned Geelong side is feared there & in bad conditions thier forwards know how to kick the goals
So they have thier own stadium they call HOME (Collingwood gets more MCG games than us :lol) & Geelong have thier own VFL side which makes a whole lot of difference & its hard to break into thier side.
The players who step up get the job done & know what the other players want from them because they are a list of 40+ players not 2 devided teams in different leagues
Hawthorn won a premiership because they built thier team around 2 forwards which gives the midfielders a rest when they are doing thier job winning the ball & kicking goals
It also gives the midfielders that extra energy to defend when needed & get back to help bring the ball out of defence & link it through the midfield
One other thing l like to note & l dont know how many times in Richo career l seen this, but his leads were never honored & the team lacked confidence to kick it to him in 1 on 1 contests. Richo is one of the strongest bodied players & hard to outmark at anytime. When players dont play as a team it gives players like Richo more time to think of the negatives & thats why it stands out in him so much. That effects the overall team performance & creates conflict.
While all these was going on our CHF is in the centre of the ground caught out to far down the field instead of pushing forward to cover the FF including all the small forwards nowhere near goal
if you go to the game you will see Richo clearly way out front 1 kick off the play by himself because his lost his defender through his shear pace & ability but you watch a replay of the same game on tv & you will never see his true workrate & you think he never left the goal square cause his sprinted back to the square & is spent
l can clearly say from all the football l have been involved with & watched l have never seen a club so badly coached as under Terry Wallace
& one of the biggest factors of under devopedment of the players at Richmond is thier lack of awareness on the ground.
Let me down there to coach them ;D these are the basics of the game.
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I have to disagree with you TM. You can have all the best power forwards you want but if you can't get it to them then they can't kick them. Hawthorn this year is a prime example. Franklin, Roughead and Rioli were not dominant and the premier team couldn't even make the eight because their midfield got decimated by injuries and form. And as al said - Geelong have won 2 out of 3 grand finals with an average forward line but a Rolls Royce midfield. It's no coincidence. Of course, we shouldn't neglect the need for key forwards but I don't think we should prioritise them over quality mids until we have got a top line midfield on it's way. Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Martin, Collins, Foley, Jackson - yep, we're on the way but not there yet.
my reply above Old Smokey was to Al
you will understand more my way of thinking after you read my post. ? for you do you really think Foley is a dominate midfielder or just a player that is covering a position till its taken by a fit Cotchin
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I have to disagree with you TM. You can have all the best power forwards you want but if you can't get it to them then they can't kick them. Hawthorn this year is a prime example. Franklin, Roughead and Rioli were not dominant and the premier team couldn't even make the eight because their midfield got decimated by injuries and form. And as al said - Geelong have won 2 out of 3 grand finals with an average forward line but a Rolls Royce midfield. It's no coincidence. Of course, we shouldn't neglect the need for key forwards but I don't think we should prioritise them over quality mids until we have got a top line midfield on it's way. Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Martin, Collins, Foley, Jackson - yep, we're on the way but not there yet.
my reply above Old Smokey was to Al
you will understand more my way of thinking after you read my post. ? for you do you really think Foley is a dominate midfielder or just a player that is covering a position till its taken by a fit Cotchin
Yep, a lot of what you say is spot on TM - I just think that the midfield is the priority to get right first. And re: Foley, I think he is a very good midfielder but in the past couple of years he has been one of the few and has carried some injuries (from overwork is my considered guess). Put him in the midfield with Deledio, Cotchin, Collins, Tambling and Martin all firing and suddenly most opposition sides will struggle to match up on all these - that's when I think Foley will really stand out.
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a simple review of last couple of seasons stats would highlight that we regularly concede more I50 to the oppostion...errr, ummm me finks that may have a bit to do with the ability of the midfield unit. Fuuny how this boofheaded view on KPP over Mids has been thwarted by a side that has won 2 flags in 3 years with, wiat for it...Mooney as the mainstay forward.
Monk, pull your head from your ample size clacker and be a little more objectiove when it comes to buildign a side. First things first is establishing the supply line...Cats and before that WC were great examples of a dominant midfield winning the day
read the same for regualr finalsists in Dogs and Pies
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One other thing l like to note & l dont know how many times in Richo career l seen this, but his leads were never honored & the team lacked confidence to kick it to him in 1 on 1 contests
This a good point monk. The Richmond midfielders often dont seem to have the confidence in their disposal to honor a lead, not just Richo's. Many times you see a player leader up the ground with a small break on their direct opponent but the onballers don't honor the lead, They seem to not have the confidence they can place the ball to advantage, or just don't know how to kick to advantage of a leading player. Watching the sides with good midfields, if they see a forward with a small break on their opponent the honor the lead quickly and often accurately, giving the back men little chance of spoiling.
The thing is this highlights the point about needing quality midfields. How many times did lockett kick a hundred in a crap side. He was so good all the midfielders had to do was kick it in his direction and he would do the rest. An ordinary midfield and a champion forward = how many finals for how many flags for the saints in that time? Not many for FA
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a simple review of last couple of seasons stats would highlight that we regularly concede more I50 to the oppostion...errr, ummm me finks that may have a bit to do with the ability of the midfield unit. Fuuny how this boofheaded view on KPP over Mids has been thwarted by a side that has won 2 flags in 3 years with, wiat for it...Mooney as the mainstay forward.
Monk, pull your head from your ample size clacker and be a little more objectiove when it comes to buildign a side. First things first is establishing the supply line...Cats and before that WC were great examples of a dominant midfield winning the day
read the same for regualr finalsists in Dogs and Pies
l like it when you get all fired up & call me names ;D :lol
if you prefer mids then so be it thats your opinion go play with your mids bojangles ;D
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a simple review of last couple of seasons stats would highlight that we regularly concede more I50 to the oppostion...errr, ummm me finks that may have a bit to do with the ability of the midfield unit. Fuuny how this boofheaded view on KPP over Mids has been thwarted by a side that has won 2 flags in 3 years with, wiat for it...Mooney as the mainstay forward.
Monk, pull your head from your ample size clacker and be a little more objectiove when it comes to buildign a side. First things first is establishing the supply line...Cats and before that WC were great examples of a dominant midfield winning the day
read the same for regualr finalsists in Dogs and Pies
l like it when you get all fired up & call me names ;D :lol
if you prefer mids then so be it thats your opinion go play with your mids bojangles ;D
i didn't call you names monk, i was using a metaphor to describe your blinkered approach that would improve by being a little more objective... :thumbsup
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Draft at the end of a footy dream
Emma Quayle | November 11, 2009
DUSTIN Martin was born in Castlemaine, and grew up there. He moved to Bendigo at the start of this year and in two-and-a-bit weeks will be drafted from the TAC Cup's Pioneers. In time, he may become the best player produced by the AFL's New South Wales scholarship scheme.
How can this possibly be so? Let's go back a little bit. Martin has always loved football. As a kid, the first thing he did when he woke up each morning was reach for the ball beside his bed. For as long as he can remember, the thing he most wanted to do was play for an AFL team.
Problem was, it was all he wanted to do.
During 2006, Martin started skipping his year-nine classes. Then he started skipping full days. When he did go to school, he couldn't maintain any interest in it, spending most of his time mucking around, not listening and driving teachers mad. ''I was never really, really bad or anything. I was just stuffing around all the time, being a real idiot,'' he said.
''I probably wish I'd stayed at school now, but at the time I didn't really like it and I was never going. I was playing up a bit so I just left, and my dad kind of cracked it at me.''
Martin's father, Shane, who lives in Sydney, couldn't be too hard on his teenage son. ''I couldn't tell him off too much,'' he said, ''because I was exactly the same.''
Still, the last thing he wanted was for Dustin to sit around, doing nothing with his time except wasting it.
He moved him up and put him to work: Dustin helped out at his dad's transport company, working on the computer, loading up trucks and driving forklifts. He worked with Shane's partner too: she created and sold gym wear, so he'd help her make it, worked in a couple of her shops and helped her try to sell it to gyms.
By the end of the year, he was focused again. ''He was a lot more motivated, and I had him working hard,'' Shane said. ''I had him working 12 or 13 hour days so he did it pretty tough and he really took to it. I told him, don't think you're coming up here to sit on your backside, and by the time he went back, he'd grown up a whole lot.''
Martin's football found some direction in Sydney too. He had played for the Pioneers' under-15 squad before moving home, and played pretty well. In Sydney he started playing for a local under-16 team but after dominating the first four games he moved to Campbelltown's under-18 team, and into a more challenging competition.
There, he met Ryan Bottin-Noonan, who had signed a NSW scholarship with the Swans and was getting to spend some time training with the team. Martin met a few other boys who had scholarships, decided he wanted one too and then realised he wasn't eligible: he would have to live in Sydney for three years first.
Still, the thought that those boys were so close to an AFL team made him realise there was no reason he couldn't get there too.
''It sort of made me think it was right there to grab,'' he said.
''I'd always wanted it, but I'd never really chased it. It made me think, I've got to go back and get serious about this whole thing now. It made me really want it.''
Martin was back in Castlemaine with his mother Kathy and two brothers by Christmas 2007 and after training all summer with the Castlemaine senior team - planning all the while to make the Bendigo side, believing that he could - he started in the middle.
Every week or two he'd check in with coach Jamie Elliott: had the Pioneers called yet?
He didn't need to worry. During pre-season, regional manager Ray Byrne heard Martin was back in town, but he wanted to let him settle back down before calling him up.
After his round-one game at Castlemaine the Pioneers thought they wanted him back in the program; four weeks in, they knew they did.
Martin started training there midway through the year, and Byrne knew from his first session that the Pioneers had a very good player on their hands. ''His fitness was amazing considering he hadn't been in the system at all,'' he said. ''His skills were great. He picked everything up, took everything in. He just looked like a natural-born footballer.''
Then came the last twist. Martin started playing for the Pioneers with a month left in the season, and not too many recruiters still watching his side, which didn't produce any draftees.
He dominated the first match, was just as good in the second and while hanging out at a friend's place during the next week, his phone rang.
On the line was Kinnear Beatson, the Sydney recruiting manager who, having been told about Martin, had watched the first quarter of his second game thinking he may just have unearthed a very promising - and unknown - late draft pick. Then he looked at his record, and realised the teenager had been born two months too late to qualify for the draft.
Beatson phoned him to find out for sure - and also to check how long he'd lived in Sydney, with a scholarship in mind.
It was a near miss on both fronts and the thought that a recruiter had actually noticed him both stunned Martin and gave him confidence.
''I couldn't even remember what he said,'' he recalled. ''I just got off the phone and looked at my friend and said: 'What the hell?' ''
Playing that last month gave Martin a better understanding of what he would be in for this year, too. He was a Pioneer star the second the season started and by the end of the under-18 championships mid-year, most recruiters were in love with his neat two-sided skills and his attack on the ball, among other things.
As his season - TAC Cup football, state football and an invitation to the draft camp - unfolded, all he kept thinking was, ''do as well as you can''.
''It was all pretty new to me,'' Martin said, ''but I just wanted to get as high up as I could with everything. When Ray sat me down and said, 'you've been invited to the draft camp,' it felt like it had happened so quickly.''
Martin boarded with a teammate in Bendigo this year; having already completed a certificate three in personal training he began working for an electrician friend of his father's.
''It's bloody complicated stuff,'' he said. ''But it's been good. I reckon I've learned some new skills.''
Since the season ended he has been running, going to the gym, trying to keep his mind off the thing he wants so badly and making sure that when he walks through his new club's door, he won't have too much catching up to do.
More than anything, he is glad he moved back home.
''I've changed since that time in Sydney, I reckon.
''I made myself go for it, and so far it's worked out pretty well.''
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/draft-at-the-end-of-a-footy-dream/2009/11/10/1257615039723.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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I like the fact that this kid has had experience in the work place! It adds maturity to young people, imo, that will be invaluable to the AFL fishbowl!
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Agree with Go Richo here. Fancy Port asking him if he was dumb. They must have really done their research!!!
I think we know why Sydney offered two later 1st round draft picks for no3. They wanted this kid.
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I think we know why Sydney offered two later 1st round draft picks for no3. They wanted this kid.
Yep pretty obvious now.
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Read a HUN report and you get a cheeseburger, read an Age report and you get the fries on the side too ;D
I'm now much more comfortable with the lad having a few important gaps now filled :thumbsup
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Meet the draftees: Dustin Martin
afl.com.au
Fri 13 November, 2009
Height: 187cm
Weight: 86kg
DOB: 26/06/91
Recruited from: Castlemaine
Bio: Attacking onballer with great balance and ball winning ability. Averaged 21 possessions per game for Vic Country at NAB AFL U18 Championships, winning All-Australian honours. Good skills on both sides of this body.
Matt Burgan's draft rating: 2-5
Watch Dustin Martin in action: http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/videoid/51008/dustin+martin+highlights/default.aspx (http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/videoid/51008/dustin+martin+highlights/default.aspx)
What type of player are you?
A centre who is a good clearance player. Can run and carry, can play both ends and set up attacks.
Which AFL player do you feel you resemble, and why?
Joel Selwood. Good around contests, good skill level and decision making.
What are your strengths as a footballer?
Strength, skills, ability to read the play and decision making.
What parts of your game would you like to improve?
Fitness.
Which AFL team do you support and how did you come to barrack for them?
St Kilda. I’ve known Rod Keogh from when I was young.
Who has been the biggest influence on your career so far, and why?
Myself. Because I want the best out of myself.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86659/default.aspx
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This kids has so much self confidence that it marks him as a champion before he even begins. Some would say he is arrogant but he just strongly believes in his own ability and knows exactly where he wants to go.
The more I hear of this kid the more he impresses me but hope and expectation is far from reality I have come to learn over the past few years. I just hope Cotchin can play an injury free season to support this young kid and stop teasing us with glimpses of form and promise.
Do like this kids though...
Stripes
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It's good that he believes in himself but the hard work will only truly begin after he is drafted. I won't be complaining if he ends up like a Lenny Hayes though.
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Rumor on BF that the Dees may take Martin & Scully..... it was BF though.... :whistle
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Rumor on BF that the Dees may take Martin & Scully..... it was BF though.... :whistle
I wouldn't complain if Trengove slipped to 3 but Melbourne didn't speak to Martin according to that Age article.
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Rumor on BF that the Dees may take Martin & Scully..... it was BF though.... :whistle
I wouldn't complain if Trengove slipped to 3 but Melbourne didn't speak to Martin according to that Age article.
They might have spoken to him recently, maybe not at the camp but after, I wouldn't mind Trengove either as he was my first selection out of him and Scully.
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I will be disappointed if we don't get Martin, purely because I want to him play a heap of games next year, but long term scully and trengrove have more upside! I'm sure Melbourne won't overlook that fact. Having said that if we were in melbournes position I would take Martin and one of the other two as he suits our needs!
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Martin is going to be a big lad judging by his picture and size already. He still has alot of filling out to do and, with his strength and style of play, will hurt a lot of opposition midfielders with his ferocity.
Stripes
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Martin is going to be a big lad judging by his picture and size already. He still has alot of filling out to do and, with his strength and style of play, will hurt a lot of opposition midfielders with his ferocity.
Stripes
Enough already, your getting me excited stripes.
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Meet the draftees: Dustin Martin
afl.com.au
Fri 13 November, 2009
Height: 187cm
Weight: 86kg
DOB: 26/06/91
Recruited from: Castlemaine
Bio: Attacking onballer with great balance and ball winning ability. Averaged 21 possessions per game for Vic Country at NAB AFL U18 Championships, winning All-Australian honours. Good skills on both sides of this body.
Matt Burgan's draft rating: 2-5
Watch Dustin Martin in action: http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/videoid/51008/dustin+martin+highlights/default.aspx (http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/videoid/51008/dustin+martin+highlights/default.aspx)
What type of player are you?
A centre who is a good clearance player. Can run and carry, can play both ends and set up attacks.
Which AFL player do you feel you resemble, and why?
Joel Selwood. Good around contests, good skill level and decision making.
What are your strengths as a footballer?
Strength, skills, ability to read the play and decision making.
What parts of your game would you like to improve?
Fitness.
Which AFL team do you support and how did you come to barrack for them?
St Kilda. I’ve known Rod Keogh from when I was young.
Who has been the biggest influence on your career so far, and why?
Myself. Because I want the best out of myself.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86659/default.aspx
:cheers
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It dont matter who the Demons take if Richmond dont do anything dumb like always we will get a top player if they are going for midfielders 1st up
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It dont matter who the Demons take if Richmond dont do anything dumb like always we will get a top player if they are going for midfielders 1st up
There you go again TM having so much faith in the NEW regime....... :whistle ::)
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It dont matter who the Demons take if Richmond dont do anything dumb like always we will get a top player if they are going for midfielders 1st up
There you go again TM having so much faith in the NEW regime....... :whistle ::)
Thats right WAT l have no faith because it dont matter who they draft.
You got to have the right development coaches to take the recruits to the next level & then keep them there.
You understand why Richmond have had no success in the last 28 years or you think its because they draft the wrong players
l will have faith when l see them players producing AFL quality football & doing it consistantly
l dont care if they win lose or draw as long as they produce quality & then the rest will fall into place ;D
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It dont matter who the Demons take if Richmond dont do anything dumb like always we will get a top player if they are going for midfielders 1st up
There you go again TM having so much faith in the NEW regime....... :whistle ::)
Thats right WAT l have no faith because it dont matter who they draft.
You got to have the right development coaches to take the recruits to the next level & then keep them there.
You understand why Richmond have had no success in the last 28 years or you think its because they draft the wrong players
l will have faith when l see them players producing AFL quality football & doing it consistantly
l dont care if they win lose or draw as long as they produce quality & then the rest will fall into place ;D
you only have to look at how skinny our players are year after year after year to realize we have as much idea as a football club about developing as we do drafting talent.
Shane Edwards, yep im sure Max Rooke would be real scared of facing up to him out on the field. Polo, Thursfield ditto...
Our players go backwards in skill and development and no one can tell me its because we "draft" the wrong players all the time.
Unless hardwick spends more money on development coaches then he too will struggly like many before him.
Sending players back on the ground injured is not a fault of drafting the wrong players its the fault of the RFC people who have NFI.
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It dont matter who the Demons take if Richmond dont do anything dumb like always we will get a top player if they are going for midfielders 1st up
There you go again TM having so much faith in the NEW regime....... :whistle ::)
Thats right WAT l have no faith because it dont matter who they draft.
You got to have the right development coaches to take the recruits to the next level & then keep them there.
You understand why Richmond have had no success in the last 28 years or you think its because they draft the wrong players
l will have faith when l see them players producing AFL quality football & doing it consistantly
l dont care if they win lose or draw as long as they produce quality & then the rest will fall into place ;D
you only have to look at how skinny our players are year after year after year to realize we have as much idea as a football club about developing as we do drafting talent.
Shane Edwards, yep im sure Max Rooke would be real scared of facing up to him out on the field. Polo, Thursfield ditto...
Our players go backwards in skill and development and no one can tell me its because we "draft" the wrong players all the time.
Unless hardwick spends more money on development coaches then he too will struggly like many before him.
Sending players back on the ground injured is not a fault of drafting the wrong players its the fault of the RFC people who have NFI.
All the coaches, from the head coach down, are training with the group - working one-on-one. You can't get better for development than that. Couple this with some specific coaches whoa re working with pairs or individual players such as the Irish Lads and I say we are more hands on and needs based than we have ever been.
Hardwick appears to be a uncompromising teacher to me which is exactly what we need.
Stripes
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Doesnt happen often but i agree with TM's comment about development.
In fact when you think of it, in a comp where half the teams play finals, we have been spectacularly successful in failure. 2 finals in 28 years would be hard to plan to achieve let alone achieve....
Our players in the past have not developed like players have at other clubs...admitedly we had no money for develpment coaches in Wallace first 2 seasons...and this is being felt now...Players drafted pre 2007 had no one to work with on their development....
Hopefully our current development program and coaches will bring kids on that would otherwise have been borderline players into fully fledged afl players...it is pleasing to hear that they have the balls out in October/November working on their skills...
Cheers to a new dawn...to the belief as DH would say.
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Doesnt happen often but i agree with TM's comment about development.
In fact when you think of it, in a comp where half the teams play finals, we have been spectacularly successful in failure. 2 finals in 28 years would be hard to plan to achieve let alone achieve....
Our players in the past have not developed like players have at other clubs...admitedly we had no money for develpment coaches in Wallace first 2 seasons...and this is being felt now...Players drafted pre 2007 had no one to work with on their development....
Hopefully our current development program and coaches will bring kids on that would otherwise have been borderline players into fully fledged afl players...it is pleasing to hear that they have the balls out in October/November working on their skills...
Cheers to a new dawn...to the belief as DH would say.
Yep. Regardless of the reasons, we have been much much worse at developing kids than we have been at drafting them.
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No doubt poor development has played its part but our recruiting philosophy has been wrong for a very long time and we were continually slipping further behind other clubs. Firstly they understood how the draft system works and how to maximise the benefit from it while we kept making the same dumb short term mistakes. Secondly they were pouring their resources into the draft and recruiting adding more and more sophisticated methods while we were still going on one recruiter's hunch after watching a couple of videos :help. Thirdly we were drafting too many smalls that were light on. Someone like Shane Edwards no matter how much gym work he does, no matter how many protein drinks he consumes, and no matter how good our development of players could be, he will never end up with a Max Rooke body-type who can bash and crash their way through. Fourthly we were not drafting enough kids per year and turning over our ordinary list quickly. If you keep hold of the same group of players year after year then it's no surprise we never improve as a side.
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Someone like Shane Edwards no matter how much gym work he does, no matter how much protein drinks he consumes, and no matter how good our development of players could be, he will never end up with a Max Rooke body-type who can bash and crash their way through.
I understand your point, however not every player needs to be a bash and crash type like Max Rooke. Especially given the fact that if Max played for Richmond he'd be a whipping boy for averaging 11 disposals and 1 goal a game. Even Kayne Pettifer couldn't hold his spot in the side for 2 years despite pulling numbers like that. People have been calling for Tom Hislop's head all season for pulling numbers like that and he's only 20 years old.
Shane Edwards is 180cm & 76kg at the start of 2009 so add on some weight from this preseason. Andrew McLeod is 181cm and 81kg. I guarantee you that I'd take Andrew McLeod over Max Rooke every single time. No need to stereotype based on body type alone. It takes all types, as long as they have talent and application, that's all that matters.
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Someone like Shane Edwards no matter how much gym work he does, no matter how much protein drinks he consumes, and no matter how good our development of players could be, he will never end up with a Max Rooke body-type who can bash and crash their way through.
I understand your point, however not every player needs to be a bash and crash type like Max Rooke. Especially given the fact that if Max played for Richmond he'd be a whipping boy for averaging 11 disposals and 1 goal a game. Even Kayne Pettifer couldn't hold his spot in the side for 2 years despite pulling numbers like that. People have been calling for Tom Hislop's head all season for pulling numbers like that and he's only 20 years old.
Shane Edwards is 180cm & 76kg at the start of 2009 so add on some weight from this preseason. Andrew McLeod is 181cm and 81kg. I guarantee you that I'd take Andrew McLeod over Max Rooke every single time. No need to stereotype based on body type alone. It takes all types, as long as they have talent and application, that's all that matters.
That's true Infamy it takes all types to make a footy team and I wasn't saying that we don't need any smalls. Rioli is proof that a high quality small can become an absolute gun. I wasn't meaning either to have a go at Edwards. Just that he was mentioned in relation to Rooke in the thread and I was just meaning it's not Edwards fault if he can't bulk up into a tank like Rooke. They are two completely different body types. We are though very undersized as a side both in terms of height and weight. I'm not sure why we need 9 players under six foot weighing in the 70kgs on our list. It's too many smalls and imbalances our list especially when compared to our lack of enough talls. I think this time next year at least half of those 180cm or shorter will be cut.
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.....at least half of those 180cm or shorter will be cut.
That's not really fair MT - as if they aren't short enough already!! ;D
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back to Dustin Martin...would you if you were FJ or CC call out his name or Morabito's name on draft day?
Morabito is slightly taller - bigger body too....
(Not that I am upset with Martin, from the video package and draft camp results he looks the real deal...skilled on both feet, fast etc)
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Someone like Shane Edwards no matter how much gym work he does, no matter how much protein drinks he consumes, and no matter how good our development of players could be, he will never end up with a Max Rooke body-type who can bash and crash their way through.
I understand your point, however not every player needs to be a bash and crash type like Max Rooke. Especially given the fact that if Max played for Richmond he'd be a whipping boy for averaging 11 disposals and 1 goal a game. Even Kayne Pettifer couldn't hold his spot in the side for 2 years despite pulling numbers like that. People have been calling for Tom Hislop's head all season for pulling numbers like that and he's only 20 years old.
Shane Edwards is 180cm & 76kg at the start of 2009 so add on some weight from this preseason. Andrew McLeod is 181cm and 81kg. I guarantee you that I'd take Andrew McLeod over Max Rooke every single time. No need to stereotype based on body type alone. It takes all types, as long as they have talent and application, that's all that matters.
Shane Edwards has one more season to step up. Im sick to death of using age as an excuse for performances like some they he has shown.
Yes he tried hard but the day Leon kicked 4 on him yet most on here thought he played well was the funniest thying i have ever heard.
Edwards will never be a player. Its so painful to watch every time he goes to tackle an opponent he gets brushed aside.
Compare that to Nahas who most times tackles an opponent effectively.
It is Edwards who should have been thrown up for trade not Tuck
ooh and just on the Pettifer vrs Rooke topic, how many tackles did Pathetic lay and how many times did he block for his teammates. Ill tell you
NONE!!!
Petrified is not even half the player Rooke is
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back to Dustin Martin...would you if you were FJ or CC call out his name or Morabito's name on draft day?
Morabito is slightly taller - bigger body too....
(Not that I am upset with Martin, from the video package and draft camp results he looks the real deal...skilled on both feet, fast etc)
Martin, no qualms about it. They both seem to be potentially qualty players but ;
'WA'S most likely first draft pick, Anthony Morabito, has a burning preference to play from his home state, but concedes his AFL career could start elsewhere.'
'"But the transition through to life as an AFL footballer would naturally be better staying at home and playing for a club in WA ... but at the end of the day it's not really my decision."
Morabito and his manager, Colin Young, have told eastern states clubs he would prefer to stay at home'
Too big a risk that you would only have him for a short time or that you may not get the best out of him because he doesn't want to be at the club.
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ooh and just on the Pettifer vrs Rooke topic, how many tackles did Pathetic lay and how many times did he block for his teammates. Ill tell you
NONE!!!
Petrified is not even half the player Rooke is
Talk about missing the point
I kinda figured you would though
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Its got nothing to do with age. AGE in football is NOT a factor.
l can real off heaps of players who never looked back after arriving at clubs & playing round 1
Problem with football was raising the draft age to 18 when a 15 year old is safe to play football at AFL level cause its soft football these days, its not a mans game anymore. Take the age restriction away & skill level & the game will pickup new momentum & create more buzz
Players have skills & talent before they arrive, thats is why they get drafted
Richmond has simply failed to develope players & thats a FACT
Player awareness, basic skills & confidence are shot
Strengthening & protecting the body :lol we are pushovers
Talking & comparing Andrew McLeod lol the man is a champion with silky skills & excellent ability to read the game. He would kick nearly all of our senior players ass at his age now.
But age has nothing to do with football as most kids aged 14 are bigger than thier own parents & coaches these days & alot of 15 year olds are playing senior foorball around the country & doing well.
Edwards is a player who needs to do extra work otherwise he be gone next year cause his skills & strength are poo
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Goodness gracious me.
I think everyone would benefit from just posting on topics they know a little bit about rather than ranting and pretending they are Einsteins.
Development - The word revolves around time. Time is categorically related to age. You can't be developed over night. Champions aren't born in a day.
Each human body and brain evolves differently to its neighbor scientific fact. So to pigeon whole an age to say a player must be this good by this age is naive and dumb.
In any sport athletes gain experience in different ways, it can be fast tracked or slowed down by many reasons, most out of the athletes control. Experience has nothing to do with age but simply "time in the middle", "time on the ground" etc.
Development and gaining experience are the two underlying factors of an athletes career without them they can't be anything.
Everyone would agree that it takes time to acquire these attributes.
Any player under 21 even 22 can't even begin to be expected to have reached the potential of these key attributes. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.
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.....at least half of those 180cm or shorter will be cut.
That's not really fair MT - as if they aren't short enough already!! ;D
;D. Reminds me of a Goodies episode lol
On Con's question - I've only seen Morabito a couple of times so can't really rate him but he didn't do anything that I saw that me go wow this guy is a gun! He played just like a typical flanker. To me the choice was between going with a true KPP such as Butcher or a quality true ballwinner/midfielder. Martin seems to fit the latter. In any case we should end up with a quality footballer at pick 3. The true test for Cameron and Jackson will be our next 3-4 picks. Who we choose with picks 19, 35, 44 and 51 will determine how successful this year's draft will be for us.
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Goodness gracious me.
I think everyone would benefit from just posting on topics they know a little bit about rather than ranting and pretending they are Einsteins.
Development - The word revolves around time. Time is categorically related to age. You can't be developed over night. Champions aren't born in a day.
Each human body and brain evolves differently to its neighbor scientific fact. So to pigeon whole an age to say a player must be this good by this age is naive and dumb.
In any sport athletes gain experience in different ways, it can be fast tracked or slowed down by many reasons, most out of the athletes control. Experience has nothing to do with age but simply "time in the middle", "time on the ground" etc.
Development and gaining experience are the two underlying factors of an athletes career without them they can't be anything.
Everyone would agree that it takes time to acquire these attributes.
Any player under 21 even 22 can't even begin to be expected to have reached the potential of these key attributes. You'd be a fool to think otherwise.
OK Einstein so why did you post then if everyone is so called ranting off topic :lol :rollin
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On Con's question - I've only seen Morabito a couple of times so can't really rate him but he didn't do anything that I saw that me go wow this guy is a gun! He played just like a typical flanker. To me the choice was between going with a true KPP such as Butcher or a quality true ballwinner/midfielder. Martin seems to fit the latter. In any case we should end up with a quality footballer at pick 3. The true test for Cameron and Jackson will be our next 3-4 picks. Who we choose with picks 19, 35, 44 and 51 will determine how successful this year's draft will be for us.
Now your talking
& so right #3 pick will give us a player of top quality youth be it mid or KPP
the picks after that in this years draft are so huge that the club relys on them to be 7 - 10 year players of good standard
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back to Dustin Martin...would you if you were FJ or CC call out his name or Morabito's name on draft day?
Morabito is slightly taller - bigger body too....
(Not that I am upset with Martin, from the video package and draft camp results he looks the real deal...skilled on both feet, fast etc)
Morabito does not kick well.
Martin kicks v well.
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thanks to those that answered my question...esp Bentleigh...yes he does kick very well in the vids
i also agree that we need to find at least 2 more 150 gamers in the lower picks at least...4 more players would be even better...but i would settle for 2 more plus Martin...
the chances of us doing a geelong of 99 and 01 are remote...but you never know...at least we did not trade away picks this year like we have in past years....
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thanks to those that answered my question...esp Bentleigh...yes he does kick very well in the vids
i also agree that we need to find at least 2 more 150 gamers in the lower picks at least...4 more players would be even better...but i would settle for 2 more plus Martin...
the chances of us doing a geelong of 99 and 01 are remote...but you never know...at least we did not trade away picks this year like we have in past years....
It will be difficult given we only have 2 picks inside the top 30 in a compromised draft but I agree Con finding three 150-game players would be a bare minimum for this draft to get a pass mark and for us to build a strong team in the future. We've got to hope FJ and his crew can find some hidden gems across the ND, PSD and rookie drafts :pray.
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RUNNING MAN
Jay Clark From: Sunday Herald Sun November 22, 2009
Dustin Martin
Bendigo Pioneers
Handball receives:10.8 pg (11)
Clean-skilled ball-winner who is an undisputed midfield weapon. One of the biggest improvers this year, Martin has the body strength to bust packs and the pace to break the lines with his run and carry.
Like some of the most damaging players in the AFL, teammates look to handpass to the attacking playmaker to make the most of his excellent disposal by foot and sound decision-making.
But the dual-sided midfielder won't rely on others to give him the ball, as he showed enormous appetite for the contest averaging 21 possessions throughout the national championships.
Similar to Ben Cunnington in his attack in tight, with perhaps a bit more speed, mobility and penetration by foot what separates them.
Who's he like? Marc Murphy with a touch of Simon Black-like polish.
Draft range: Richmond has locked him away with No. 3.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-master-apprentices-of-the-afl/story-e6frf9jf-1225801664134
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Picks of the draft: Dustin Martin
Emma Quayle | November 24, 2009
FROM: Bendigo Pioneers, via the Castlemaine juniors. Martin spent 2007 in Sydney, playing for Campbelltown.
THE NUMBERS: Born 26 June, 1991. 186cm, 88kg.
THE LOWDOWN: Martin is a strong-bodied, strong-minded midfielder who keeps his feet, can slip tackles, kick with both feet and go forward to take a mark. He's among the best kicks in the draft and if there's a scrap for the ball you'd want him on your side. During the national championships, he played particularly well at the start of the first game and the start of the last one, suggesting his endurance needs work - and he's been working on it - but that he also has a cool head in big situations. Martin has an honest, straightforward nature, and it comes through in his footy.
RUNNING AND JUMPING: Martin did a 2.89 20-metre sprint at draft camp. He did the first five metres in 1.02 seconds, showing off a burst some weren't sure he had. He did a 14.1 beep test and a mid-group three-kilometre time of 11.05.
WHO NEEDS HIM: Martin would be the ideal addition to the Richmond midfield, and that's where he looks like ending up. If not, he'll be on his way to Fremantle or snapped up by North Melbourne. He's simply one of the more highly sought-after players in the draft.
IRRELEVANT YET INTERESTING FACT: Martin has a Maori background. His father Shane grew up in New Zealand.
WHO WOULD PLAY HIM IN A MOVIE? Bryan Brown. Solid, tough type who can provide finesse when required.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/picks-of-the-draft-dustin-martin/2009/11/23/1258824670433.html
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No surprise but Ch 9's late news last night declared Dustin Martin will definitely be a Tiger on Thursday night.
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No surprise but Ch 9's late news last night declared Dustin Martin will definitely be a Tiger on Thursday night.
cool
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IT'S D-DAY FOR DUSTIN
LUKE WEST
26 Nov, 2009
FOR as long as he can remember, all Dustin Martin has wanted to do is play AFL football.
From the time he first pulled on the guernsey for the Campbells Creek Junior Football Club in the under-10s, to this year with the Bendigo Pioneers in the TAC Cup, that dream has never wavered.
Tonight, Martin’s dream of making an AFL list is set to become a reality at the national draft.
And according to all the pre-draft speculation of the past month, it seems a given the club Martin will join is Richmond, with the Tigers expected to take the highly-talented midfielder with pick No.3.
For Martin, tonight can’t come around quick enough.
He has garnered enormous media attention in the metropolitan papers in recent weeks with interviews and photo shoots, but all the quietly-spoken 18-year-old wants to do now is just get out on the training track at wherever it is he is selected and let his football do the talking.
“Footy is my life; I just love it and it’s all I’ve ever wanted to do,’’ Martin told The Advertiser yesterday.
“And when you get to the AFL, that’s what footy is - it becomes your life by training every day, and that’s the way I want to live.
“I can’t wait and hopefully, I’ll get an opportunity.’’
Barring any major surprise, Richmond will tonight be Martin’s AFL club, with the Tigers poised to pick him after Melbourne uses its No.1 and 2 selections on Tom Scully and Jack Trengrove, who, like Martin, have become the faces in the draft lead-up.
“It hasn’t been too bad; it doesn’t bother me too much,’’ Martin answered when asked how he has handled all the media hype that has surrounded him in the past month.
“You just do what you’ve got to do. I don’t get a big head or anything like that, I just keep going about my business.
“Hopefully, I can get picked up and then the hard work will all really begin.
“I’ve got a long way to go and just can’t wait to, hopefully, get an opportunity and work as hard as I can.’’
The Martin story has been well documented by several pre-draft profile stories in the past month.
As a teenager growing up in Castlemaine, school and he never agreed, so in 2007 Martin moved to Sydney and worked for his dad, Shane, while also playing with the Campbelltown Blues under-18 side.
After a year in Sydney, Martin returned to Castlemaine, where in 2008 he lined up for the Magpies’ senior team in the Bendigo Football League, and took the competition by storm with his speed, penetrating kicking and ability to bust packs open with his fierce attack on the contest.
“Playing that year with Castlemaine against a lot of bigger bodies was really good for me in getting used to the tougher contested ball,’’ said Martin, who has been managed by Ricky Nixon’s Flying Start since the start of the year.
“I had a lot of good teammates that year, a good coach (Jamie Elliott), and playing that year of senior footy was a really good grounding.’’
It was an ordinary season for Castlemaine, with the Magpies winning just five of 16 games, but Martin was the clear shining light.
Despite missing the last two games when finally called up to the Pioneers, Martin won the Magpies’ goalkicking with 22 - of which 11 came in his final two games against Kyneton and eventual grand finalist Golden Square - and was a hands-down winner of the league’s CVGT-backed Rising Star award.
One of the obvious attributes from his first senior game for the Magpies in 2008 against Gisborne at Camp Reserve - a match in which Ron Barassi was in the crowd - was Martin’s confidence to take the game on and play with flair.
Such was the impact Martin was having at Castlemaine early in his debut senior season, coach Jamie Elliott knew he had something special on his hands, to the point where he contacted one of his former clubs, St Kilda, but received no response.
“As a club we felt we needed to be pushing the kid to where he should be, because you knew at that early stage he was pretty special, but he was too young to be drafted in 2008,’’ Elliott said.
“He’s just a powerful, powerful kid; I used to do one-on-ones with him as a 16-year-old and he would just push me off the ball.
“I thought he could have played senior AFL football this year as a 17-year-old, no doubt.
“I’ve never seen a kid run into a pack of six or seven men and come out backwards with the ball . . . it’s not as though he was running through the pack, he would run in like a bull, grab the footy and run out backwards.
“There’s no doubt he’s the best kid I’ve seen play at that age; he’s just a phenomenal talent.’’
After playing the last four games for the Pioneers in 2008, Martin - a St Kilda supporter who works as a labourer for Luke Arnott Electrical - was one of the side’s stars this year.
In 11 matches he averaged 24.6 disposals, 4.0 marks and 3.0 tackles per game playing as a midfielder changing deep forward.
“I was just happy to come into the Pioneers team late in 2008, and to have those four games was a really good experience to get a bit of an insight into what it was all about,’’ Martin said.
“That helped me prepare for this year.’’
But it was at this year’s under-18 national championships in June and July where Martin’s talents were truly on display when he averaged 21.4 possessions per game representing Victoria Country.
Martin’s fine carnival was capped by being named in the centre in the All-Australian team as he further enhanced his growing reputation as one of the country’s hottest young prospects.
“You never got an easy possession, but it was just good to get out and play against and with players of that quality,’’ Martin said.
“It can only make you a better player.’’
Among those who selected Martin in the All-Australian team was AFL national talent identification manager Kevin Sheehan.
“Dustin has this enormous potential because he arrived on the scene really late last year, and even then looked to be a young star in his four games for the Pioneers,’’ Sheehan said.
“But this year, right from the start people were talking a first-round draft choice when he was showing some of the attributes of a guy who used to play in the midfield for Bendigo a few years earlier in Joel Selwood.
“His attack on the footy is just outstanding and he has elite speed for a guy who stands at 186cm.
“He was the second-quickest over 20m at the draft camp with 2.89 seconds, and you can see that in the way he plays with the way he just bursts through the midfield.
“It’s hard to lay a hand on him and tackle him; he’s just a powerful inside midfielder and thumping kick on his right and left foot.
“Really, all the boxes have been ticked with his elite speed, he is prepared to work, has a real motor for endurance, and he played well in the big games for Victoria Country.
“He’s an unassuming guy who really does just want to get out there and play the game.
“He seems destined to make a real success of it.’’
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/its-dday-for-dustin/1687997.aspx?storypage=0
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“Footy is my life; I just love it and it’s all I’ve ever wanted to do,’’ Martin told The Advertiser yesterday.
“And when you get to the AFL, that’s what footy is - it becomes your life by training every day, and that’s the way I want to live.
“I can’t wait and hopefully, I’ll get an opportunity.’’
Barring any major surprise, Richmond will tonight be Martin’s AFL club, with the Tigers poised to pick him after Melbourne uses its No.1 and 2 selections on Tom Scully and Jack Trengrove, who, like Martin, have become the faces in the draft lead-up.
“It hasn’t been too bad; it doesn’t bother me too much,’’ Martin answered when asked how he has handled all the media hype that has surrounded him in the past month.
“You just do what you’ve got to do. I don’t get a big head or anything like that, I just keep going about my business.
“Hopefully, I can get picked up and then the hard work will all really begin.
“I’ve got a long way to go and just can’t wait to, hopefully, get an opportunity and work as hard as I can.’’
The bold bit is pleasing to hear. You want to hear that they understand that being drafted is only a entry point and the real work only starts after that.
It's official. Welcome to Tigerland Dustin :cheers :thumbsup :clapping
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2009 National Draft - Dustin Martin (pick 3)
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/portals/0/richmond_docs/dustin%20martin%20web.jpg)
Dustin Martin highlights: http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/226059
DOB: 26/06/91
Height: 186cm
Weight: 87.5kg
Club: Bendigo Pioneers, TAC Cup
What the recruiters say:
Dustin is a powerfully built midfielder with exceptional kicking abilities. He has great depth in his kicking, allowing him to break lines and zones through the middle of the ground. He plays his football with a physical, robust approach to the contest and is a highly motivated individual.
Dustin is originally from NSW and played football in 2008 with Castlemaine while also representing the Pioneers in three games.
This year Dustin played 11 games with the Pioneers, averaging 25 possessions per game - 10 of those contested - and appearing in the best players five times. He began impressively in round 1 against the Geelong Falcons, where he recorded 34 possessions, 10 tackles, seven clearances and two goals. He was rewarded for an impressive year by being named in the centre in the TAC Cup Team of the Year.
Dustin also represented the Victorian Country side at the NAB National U18 Championships where he averaged 21 possessions. He finished the carnival strongly with a 28 possession game against the championship winners Western Australia. He was again rewarded for an outstanding carnival by being named in the centre for the U18 All-Australian team.
At the AFL draft camp at the AIS in Canberra, Dustin recorded the second-faster time over the 20m sprint of 2.89 sec, while also reaching an excellent score of 14.0 on the endurance based “beep test”.
The club is genuinely excited about the prospect of Dustin joining the midfield group of Deledio, Cotchin, Cousins and co in the near future. He has a strong body which will be able to cope with the rigorous demands of an AFL environment and the skills to impact quickly.
Dustin Martin in his own words:
What type of player are you?
A centre, who is a good clearance player. Can run and carry, can play both ends and set up attacks.
Which AFL player do you feel you resemble, and why?
Joel Selwood. Good around contests, good skill level and decision-making.
What are your strengths as a footballer?
Strength, skills, ability to read the play and decision-making.
What parts of your game would you like to improve?
Fitness.
Which AFL team do you support and how did you come to barrack for them?
St Kilda. I’ve known Rod Keogh from when I was young.
Who has been the biggest influence on your career so far, and why?
Myself. Because I want the best out of myself.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2010/2009NationalDraft/DustinMartin/tabid/15501/Default.aspx
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Dusty said we told him we were taking him two days ago......
Tigers get their man
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg | Thu 26 November, 2009
Dustin Martin, a powerfully-built, attacking midfielder, with superb kicking skills, was taken by Richmond with its first selection (pick 3 overall) in the 2009 AFL National Draft.
The 18-year-old from Castlemaine had been earmarked by the Tigers as their No. 1 Draft choice for quite some time.
Tiger talent scouts were super-impressed with Martin’s all-round football ability, strength of character and maturity.
“Dustin has been on our radar since last year. He is a special talent and we have tracked him closely,” said Richmond’s Recruitment Manager Francis Jackson.
“We knew last year that he would go top five in the Draft. He has improved even further over the past year and had a stellar performance at the under-18s national carnival, which culminated in him being named in the All-Australian side (in the centre).”
Martin, who played for Bendigo Pioneers in the TAC Cup this year, not only has an abundance of natural football ability, he is highly motivated to succeed at the game’s highest level.
“He is unbelievably football focused,” Jackson said.
“Despite leaving school early, he has had terrific life experiences and is a very hard worker.
“He is a nice country kid, very humble, but has a fanatical desire to be the best he can.
“When we told him we were taking him at pick three, he wanted to come to training on Friday and he was gutted to find out the players had the day off and wouldn’t be resuming training until Monday.
“He is just so eager to start with us.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/87537/default.aspx
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see you Round 1 Dustin Martin!
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Is there a picture with this kid in a tiger jumper yet?
Saw a picture of him sitting next to his dad at the draft, I reckon we sign him up aswell!!
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see you Round 1 Dustin Martin!
:)
No pressure ;D
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Good on you Dustin welcome to the club, you were always a Tiger mate, no doubt about that...... but you had better remain that way!! :thumbsup
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see you Round 1 Dustin Martin!
:)
No pressure ;D
He will be there MT and don't be surprised if a couple of our other new recruits are as well...... but no pressure.. ;)
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Dustin Martin's press conference
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/videoid/51186/dustin+martin+press+conference/Default.aspx (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/videoid/51186/dustin+martin+press+conference/Default.aspx)
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Dustin Martin's press conference
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/videoid/51186/dustin+martin+press+conference/Default.aspx (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/videoid/51186/dustin+martin+press+conference/Default.aspx)
any other way to watch this video?
:)
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Tigers draft tough nut
Scott Gullan | Herald Sun November 26, 2009 8:13PM
IT'S fair to say Richmond didn’t have to look far to work out if No.3 pick Dustin Martin would be tough.
If you met his father, Shane, you'd know why. Think tattoos and lots of them covering most of his body. He shares one with his son, it reads: 'Live Free. Die Free'.
"Me and Dad got it and it is just kind of a saying that we came up with together," Dustin, who has it in large writing on his stomach, explained.
"He's been a great support, as has all my family been. They have been a big part of getting me here tonight.”
The boy from Castlemaine has been tipped to go at No.3 for some time and it was confirmed a week ago when he got a visit from the Tigers recruiting boss Francis Jackson.
"It has been a long wait since draft camp, so it is good to get it over with," Martin said.
"People were telling me and I was reading it in the paper, but about a week ago Richmond came down to Bendigo and took us out for lunch.
"They told me they were going to take me with their first pick and it was a bit of a relief."
Martin is described as an attacking onballer with great balance and ball-winning ability, proficient on both sides of the body.
He averaged more than 24 disposals in the TAC Cup with the Bendigo Pioneers and earned All-Australian honours at the national championships.
Dare we say it, but he's been favourably compared with Joel Selwood, who came out of Bendigo three years ago in the first round and turned out to be one of the best young players ever.
Martin's appetite to be an AFL footballer has driven him since he decided to leave school in year nine and move to Sydney where he worked with his father.
All he had thought about for as long as he can remember is hearing his name read out at the AFl Draft.
Over the past month he has followed a training program given to him by his manager Ricky Nixon to give himself the best chance possible to play in Round 1 next year.
"My manager Ricky Nixon gave me a program and I think it was from Richmond," Martin said.
"They gave me a bit of a program so I have just been following that and trying to be as fit as I can leading into it.
“I can't wait to get to training and get as fit as I can and hopefully if I work hard I can get there in Round 1.
"If I keep working hard, treat my body right, work as hard as I can then we'll see what happens."
The 18-year-old is excited that he will be part of a new breed at Punt Rd with the Tigers having a new coaching staff and 10 picks in the draft.
"There will be a lot of youth there so it will be great to have a lot of young blokes around and new coaches," Martin said. "I can't wait."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-draft-tough-nut/story-e6frf9jf-1225804333762
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^ Check the link dudes and buy yourself a H/S page 112
If the dude has copped any attitude from his old man he wont be putting up with too much :shhit on the field. :help
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Nervous wait for Dustin
Luke West
Bendigo Advertiser
28 Nov, 2009
A WEEK before Thursday night’s AFL national draft, Dustin Martin had been told by Richmond that it would use its No.3 pick to select him.
But that didn’t help ease Martin’s nerves on Thursday when the draft began at the Melbourne Convention Centre.
With the first 10 picks unveiled in reverse order, Martin’s nerves were heightened when it came to selection four - the Fremantle Dockers.
While simply wanting to realise his dream of being selected on an AFL list, ideally, Martin didn’t want to have to pack up and move to the other side of the country to do so.
So when the Dockers called out Anthony Morabito’s name, Martin breathed a sigh of relief, before less than a minute later becoming a Tiger when Richmond snapped up the tough midfielder from the Bendigo Pioneers.
“It was really nerve-racking for the whole time waiting to see what would happen,’’ Martin told The Advertiser yesterday.
“Especially when it got to pick four and they were reading out Fremantle, because I was still a bit worried that I might get picked there.
“But when I got through that and then my name got called out at Richmond, it was just unbelievable and a big relief.
“It’s an unreal feeling and I can’t believe it; I just can’t wait to get started because there’s plenty of hard work ahead, which I’m looking forward to.’’
Martin will train with the Tigers for the first time on Monday.
Following his selection on Thursday, Martin had little time to sit back and soak it up as he was quickly whisked away to fulfil the large array of media interviews - two hours’ worth to be exact - that come with being such a high draft pick.
Richmond recruiting manager Francis Jackson says the Tigers have no doubt 18-year-old Martin - who only last year was playing for Castlemaine in the Bendigo Football League - is going to be a “fantastic player’’ for the club.
“We’re delighted with Dustin. He’s a very focused individual, he has a fantastic skill level and is gifted athletically,’’ Jackson told www.richmondfc.com.au
”I think as a recruiting manager when you take a player you just hope they’re going to be the best they can, and I don’t have one second of doubt that Dustin’s going to be a fantastic player.’’
Of the 40 AFL players selected at the national draft from the Pioneers since 1993, only Andrew Walker, who was taken by Carlton with pick No.2 in 2003, has been selected higher than Martin.
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/nervous-wait-for-dustin/1690174.aspx?storypage=0
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Good on him. I was nervous as hell as well when they came to read out pick 4 during the draft. Big sigh of relief when they said morabito.
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Ch 9 news tonight showed Martin's first RFC media conference and a journo asked to see his "live free, die free" tattoo on his stomach and the Club's media manager replied with "don't be effing ridiculous" :-\
Ch 9 then showed pictures of Cuz shirtless with his "such is life" tatt being led away by the police and they said Cuz has something in common with Richmond's newest recruit ::)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16376623&postcount=1
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Ch 9 news tonight showed Martin's first RFC media conference and a journo asked to see his "live free, die free" tattoo on his stomach and the Club's media manager replied with "don't be effing ridiculous" :-\
Ch 9 then showed pictures of Cuz shirtless with his "such is life" tatt being led away by the police and they said Cuz has something in common with Richmond's newest recruit ::)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16376623&postcount=1
GOD THE MEDIA ARE A PACK OF WANKERS.
:banghead
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^ Check the link dudes and buy yourself a H/S page 112
If the dude has copped any attitude from his old man he wont be putting up with too much :shhit on the field. :help
His old man look like a tough mofo 8)
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being an hour and half behind sometimes is an advantage, as such i got to see this incident. IMO the reaction from the media manager was unprofessional. It made Dustin very uncomfortable to say the least. The station has then attempted a petty and even more unprofessional payback with the ben cousins ending.
Make up you own minds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS1aPVsFVIw
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being an hour and half behind sometimes is an advantage, as such i got to see this incident. IMO the reaction from the media manager was unprofessional. It made Dustin very uncomfortable to say the least. The station has then attempted a petty and even more unprofessional payback with the ben cousins ending.
Make up you own minds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS1aPVsFVIw
;D
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The media was stupid for asking the question - the kid's there to talk about beign drafted not about what scribble he has on his stomach
Very funny how that NIne only bothered to show that part of the interview and nothing else - speaks volumes IMHO
The reference to Benny Cousins was petty and childish
As for our media manager - I give her a pat on the back for at least having the guts to tell these nuffers to back off. Should she have used the "F" word probably not but (conveniently on 9's behalf) we have no idea as to what had happened during the course of the day .....
End of the day - it's a nothing story created by the media again! :sleep :sleep
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Story on the Herald-Sun site already ::).....
Uproar over Tiger Dustin Martin's tattoo
Daryl Timms From: Herald Sun November 29, 2009
RICHMOND clearly believes one high-profile player with emblazened tattoos is enough after cutting short inquiries on Dustin Martin's chest tattoos.
Martin has a large tattoo ''Live Free. Die Free'' inked on his chest and was repeatedly questions about it at a media call yesterday.
He said it was a motto followed him himself and his father, with the pair deciding to apply it to their bodies for life.
But when he was asked several times to lift his shirt by Channel Seven's Leith Mulligan a media minder stepped in, conscious of the club's image.A heated exchanged followed, with both sides unwilling to back down.
Ben Cousins continues to draw attention for his ''Such Is Life'' tattoo, but you get the feeling their no. 3 draft selection will be covering up at all times.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/uproar-over-tiger-dustin-martins-tattoo/story-e6frf9jf-1225805121728
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As for our media manager
did not handle the situation well
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Well good on her I reckon, about time someone told these clowns where to get off. I have actually met that lady last year when the Tiges were over here and she couldn't do enough for us regarding meeting the players.
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it was a very stupid thing to ask Dustin to do.
however not a great response! very unprofessional!
:)
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so it's confirmed that they had asked several times to see the tattoo??
that's fair enough then, good on the media manager.
funny thing was the report said it was the channel 7 reporter who asked the question yet 7 didn't show the news, leaving channel 9 to do the dirty work.
at least channel 7 had the decency to not make a story out of it despite having a unresponsible reporter.
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What was said about Martin's footy ambitions at yesterday's media conference......
The Tigers' top pick at No.3 was midfielder Dustin Martin, an under-age All-Australian with great skills and a fierce determination.
Martin and his father Shane share a tattoo, "Live Free. Die Free", that the new Tiger has across his midriff.
"It's just me and my Dad - we want to live free and die free, that's about it," he said.
Martin is hopeful he can do enough pre-season work to put himself into the frame for a Round 1 debut against Carlton.
"Definitely. I just want to get out on the track and listen to my coaches and see what happens," he said.
"I am raring to go. They picked seven players so we are all in the same boat. We have these new facilities and new coaches. I can't wait."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-continue-high-player-turnover-with-rookie-picks/story-e6frf9jf-1225805144643
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tigers-put-the-work-into-recruiting-dea-20091129-jyps.html
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But when he was asked several times to lift his shirt by Channel Seven's Leith Mulligan a media minder stepped in, conscious of the club's image.A heated exchanged followed, with both sides unwilling to back down.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/uproar-over-tiger-dustin-martins-tattoo/story-e6frf9jf-1225805121728
So let me get this straight the question was asked by someone from Channel 7 not Channel 9 but Nine created a story out of nothing and Channel 7 just didn't bother with it...
Says it all really
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Bit worried about Dustins Zoolander 'Cold Steel' impersonations, hope its a passing fad lol
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Bit worried about Dustins Zoolander 'Cold Steel' impersonations, hope its a passing fad lol
It's just nerves Owl. I've seen him smile and he looks really happy when he does. No doubt he's a serious young man but he doesn't look like an extrovert. Reckon he's just hanging out until training starts. He's a boy who wants to play football. Hopefully all this media stuff doesn't set him back.
Needs to talk to Cuz about how to ignore them :o ... then again maybe not :-\ ;D
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i am worried about one thing with Aston Martin.
personality clahes with team-mates.
i just hope his strong personality is only for match-time action!
:)
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Martin desperate to bare teeth
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen | Mon 30 November, 2009
DUSTIN Martin was taken by Richmond at number three in Thursday's NAB AFL Draft, but still looked a little disappointed on Sunday morning when he turned up at Punt Rd in his new black and gold polo shirt.
The reason? He'd just been told that there was no training, it was just a meet and greet.
The 18-year-old is a ferocious worker who can't wait to begin his AFL career, but he was assured by a club official that by the time the Christmas break arrived, he'd be rapt to have some time off.
Martin told a media conference a little later on that he was hanging out to get started with his new club.
"I've had a look around and it looks pretty good - I just can't wait," he said.
"I met the coach on Thursday night, and I've met a few of the other boys who got picked up, too.
"I just can't wait to get out and start training."
Martin is an attacking midfielder with a terrific ability to win his own ball and use it off either side of his body.
He averaged 21 possessions per game for Vic Country at the NAB AFL U18 Championships, was made All-Australian and averaged 25 disposals (nine contested) in the TAC Cup.
At draft camp he was second in both the beep test (14.1) and the 20m sprint, and equal second in the kicking test.
He said he knew about a week before the draft the Tigers were going to take him with their first pick.
"They had a few mock drafts and stuff like that, but about a week before the draft, Francis (Jackson, recruiting manager), and the recruiting team came to Bendigo.
"We went and played some golf and had some lunch, and they told me they were going to take with their first pick.
"That was a big relief - it made it a bit easier going to the draft."
The Tigers finished 15th last season, and new coach Damien Hardwick has swept the place out, allowing the Tigers to recruit seven new faces in the draft.
That means plenty of opportunity for the new kids, and Martin said he was hoping to impress enough over the pre-season to get a start in round one.
"Definitely - I just want to get out on the track and listen to the coaches and my teammates and do what I've got to do, and we'll see what happens.
"I think they picked up seven players, so we're all in the same boat.
"We're building new facilities, there's new coaches - it's going to be really good, I can't wait."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/87671/default.aspx
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Cousins
Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Tambling, Foley
+ Andy Collins
starting to look alright.
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Judith Donnelly (our media manager) was on SEN this morning and she said the media have been over the top since draft day about Martin's tattoo to the point some journos even wanted a joint photo of Dustin and his dad topless showing off their tatts. The media also kept pestering Martin and the Club about how many clubs called him "dumb" at draft camp etc. Judith said she found that sort of behaviour and questioning by the media disgusting. She regrets using colourful language and wouldn't use it if she had her time again but she said the club was happy with the job she did and Martin's dad called to thank her and the Club for looking after his kid.
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Deledio
Foley
Cotchin
Cousins
Tambling
Foley
Collins
Martin
Tuck
Jackson
i would draft two more midfielders!
looking very nice considering their ages, they have a lot pressure on them to carry The Richmond Football Club!
:)
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2nd tier mids:
Connors
Polo
White
Edwards
Thomson
Hislop
Gilligan
if one or two or those can come good (Connors :pray :pray) it'll help alot
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
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But when he was asked several times to lift his shirt by Channel Seven's Leith Mulligan a media minder stepped in, conscious of the club's image.A heated exchanged followed, with both sides unwilling to back down.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/uproar-over-tiger-dustin-martins-tattoo/story-e6frf9jf-1225805121728
So let me get this straight the question was asked by someone from Channel 7 not Channel 9 but Nine created a story out of nothing and Channel 7 just didn't bother with it...
Says it all really
At least the media will think twice about asking Dusty about his tatt again lol. Judith shouldn't have sworn but she was too smart for the journos. She knew the journos were trying to link Martin to Cuz as the next bad boy.
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
:)
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
:)
I would say we'll be close to favourites given we'll have such a young and inexperienced side. We may surprise in the first month with everyone fit and fresh but over a long season young bodies get tired and sore and if we get a couple of key injuries I can't see us finishing outside the bottom 3. Not necessarily a bad thing long-term as it will at least enable us to stockpile some talented kids. Supporters will need to hang in for another couple of years before seeing this current young group mature and rise up the ladder.
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
:)
I would say we'll be close to favourites given we'll have such a young and inexperienced side. We may surprise in the first month with everyone fit and fresh but over a long season young bodies get tired and sore and if we get a couple of key injuries I can't see us finishing outside the bottom 3. Not necessarily a bad thing long-term as it will at least enable up to stockpile some talented kids. Supporters will need to hang in for another couple of years before seeing this current young group mature and rise up the ladder.
fair enough MT, i think we will win more matches then this year, simply because who we are playing.
however, where do you think we will finish? (your final position prediction?)
and what draft picks would we get in "The 2010 AFL Draft".
i do expect pain in 2010.
:)
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
:)
as it will at least enable up to stockpile some talented kids.
Will there be any left after the GC17 pillage next year MT??
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
:)
I would say we'll be close to favourites given we'll have such a young and inexperienced side. We may surprise in the first month with everyone fit and fresh but over a long season young bodies get tired and sore and if we get a couple of key injuries I can't see us finishing outside the bottom 3. Not necessarily a bad thing long-term as it will at least enable up to stockpile some talented kids. Supporters will need to hang in for another couple of years before seeing this current young group mature and rise up the ladder.
fair enough MT, i think we will win more matches then this year, simply because who we are playing.
however, where do you think we will finish? (your final position prediction?)
and what draft picks would we get in "The 2010 AFL Draft".
i do expect pain in 2010.
:)
Well the wooden spooner ends up with picks 4, 27, 44, 61, 78, etc... Trade a player (to GC17) for another decent pick and it's not too dissimilar to a "normal" draft for a bottom club. Sure GC17 will be getting most of the top 15 kids as WAT says and there's no proriety picks available but compared to most of the existing clubs we'll be far better off in terms of picks. This year's draft was meant to be all gloom and doom but IMO it was still a decent draft. The worst thing we can do next year is finish 9th-11th and end up with our first pick in the mid-teens.
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
:)
I would say we'll be close to favourites given we'll have such a young and inexperienced side. We may surprise in the first month with everyone fit and fresh but over a long season young bodies get tired and sore and if we get a couple of key injuries I can't see us finishing outside the bottom 3. Not necessarily a bad thing long-term as it will at least enable up to stockpile some talented kids. Supporters will need to hang in for another couple of years before seeing this current young group mature and rise up the ladder.
fair enough MT, i think we will win more matches then this year, simply because who we are playing.
however, where do you think we will finish? (your final position prediction?)
and what draft picks would we get in "The 2010 AFL Draft".
i do expect pain in 2010.
:)
Well the wooden spooner ends up with picks 4, 27, 44, 61, 78, etc... Trade a player (to GC17) for another decent pick and it's not too dissimilar to a "normal" draft for a bottom club. Sure GC17 will be getting most of the top 15 kids as WAT says and there's no proriety picks available but compared to most of the existing clubs we'll be far better off in terms of picks. This year's draft was meant to be all gloom and doom but IMO it was still a decent draft. The worst thing we can do next year is finish 9th-11th and end up with our first pick in the mid-teens.
Luke McGuane is the only one weve got that Gold Coast may be interested in and he should be offered up for trade. What would McGuane get us?
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2nd tier mids:
Connors
Polo
White
Edwards
Thomson
Hislop
Gilligan
if one or two or those can come good (Connors :pray :pray) it'll help alot
You do live in hope dont you ?
Edwards is the only one on that list that would get a game another club.
Connors ::) his aspirations are greater than his ability
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2nd tier mids:
Connors
Polo
White
Edwards
Thomson
Hislop
Gilligan
if one or two or those can come good (Connors :pray :pray) it'll help alot
You do live in hope dont you ?
Edwards is the only one on that list that would get a game another club.
Connors ::) his aspirations are greater than his ability
Edwards wont make it as a footballer Jack as long as he continues to be played in the back half. Push him forward FFS. Polo ditto
the rest are for the tip and wouldnt get a game with the collingwood reserves team
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Bit much to put Cotchin & Martin as 1st tier mids and put Foley who was a standout for Victoria and played injured all of 2009 as a 2nd tier.
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Martin a brilliant ray of sunshine
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg | Wed 02 December, 2009
From the time former AFL player Jamie Elliott, in his then capacity as coach of Bendigo League club Castlemaine, first saw Dustin Martin strut his stuff on the football field, he knew the teenager had exceptional playing ability.
Elliott, who played 58 games of league football for Fitzroy, Richmond and St Kilda in a career spanning six seasons (1991-96), was in his first year as Castlemaine’s coach, in 2008, when a then 16-year-old Martin came under his coaching direction.
Castlemaine struggled in the ’08 season, winning only five of its 16 games, but it had a real shining light in Martin, who last week was taken by Richmond with its first selection (pick No. 3 overall) in the 2009 AFL National Draft.
Despite missing the last two games of the season, when he was called up by TAC Cup team, the Bendigo Pioneers, Martin won Castlemaine’s leading goalkicker award, with 22 goals. Interestingly, 11 of those goals came in Martin’s final two games with the club - against Kyneton and eventual grand finalist Golden Square. And, not surprisingly, Martin was a runaway winner of the competition’s rising star award that year.
“As a club we felt we needed to be pushing the kid to be where he should be, because you knew at that early stage he was pretty special, but he was too young to be drafted in 2008,” Elliott told the “Bendigo Advertiser”.
“He’s just a powerful, powerful kid; I used to do one-on-ones with him as a 16-year-old and he would just push me off the ball.
“I thought he could have played senior AFL football this year as a 17-year-old, no doubt.
“I’ve never seen a kid run into a pack of six or seven men and come out backwards with the ball . . . it’s not as though he was running through the pack, he would run in like a bull, grab the footy and run out backwards.
“There’s no doubt he’s the best kid I’ve seen play at that age; he’s just a phenomenal talent.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/87764/default.aspx
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I know Kevin Sheehan pumps up the tyres of all the new draftees but here is what he said about Dusty....
Dustin Martin looks a rising star. He's a magnificent kick. He wins his own ball, he has a powerful body, he is no frills and is straight at it. I'll be surprised if he doesn't start straight away and he'll excite the Tiger fans, no doubt.
http://www.afl.com.au/dreamteam/kevinsheehanlivechat/tabid/15698/default.aspx
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Bit much to put Cotchin & Martin as 1st tier mids and put Foley who was a standout for Victoria and played injured all of 2009 as a 2nd tier.
I thought Foley fell away after his Vic game in 2008 and has been nowhere near his early 2008 form since. An injury plagued year for Axel and an injury free year for Cotch as well as a the descriptions were right on Martin and Foley could go even further down the pecking order. I even think Cousins is well ahead of him too.
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
pretty much agree with those ratings mt. of bentleigh list i would say thomson is the one we need most to become a player. how many big bodied inside players do we have again.
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
Pick 4 MT? you think we are going to finish with The Wooden Spoon?
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I would say we'll be close to favourites given we'll have such a young and inexperienced side. We may surprise in the first month with everyone fit and fresh but over a long season young bodies get tired and sore and if we get a couple of key injuries I can't see us finishing outside the bottom 3. Not necessarily a bad thing long-term as it will at least enable us to stockpile some talented kids. Supporters will need to hang in for another couple of years before seeing this current young group mature and rise up the ladder.
agree again mt well said.
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Well the wooden spooner ends up with picks 4, 27, 44, 61, 78, etc... Trade a player (to GC17) for another decent pick and it's not too dissimilar to a "normal" draft for a bottom club. Sure GC17 will be getting most of the top 15 kids as WAT says and there's no proriety picks available but compared to most of the existing clubs we'll be far better off in terms of picks. This year's draft was meant to be all gloom and doom but IMO it was still a decent draft. The worst thing we can do next year is finish 9th-11th and end up with our first pick in the mid-teens.
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sheesh again agree well said.
just one thing i was under the impression 2nd rnd pps were still happening.
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just one thing i was under the impression 2nd rnd pps were still happening.
I don't think so, pretty sure all PPs are on hold
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2nd tier mids:
Connors
Polo
White
Edwards
Thomson
Hislop
Gilligan
if one or two or those can come good (Connors :pray :pray) it'll help alot
You do live in hope dont you ?
Edwards is the only one on that list that would get a game another club.
Connors ::) his aspirations are greater than his ability
Where do you live? West Sydney?
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
pretty much agree with those ratings mt. of bentleigh list i would say thomson is the one we need most to become a player. how many big bodied inside players do we have again.
Tuck
Jackson
Deledio
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
pretty much agree with those ratings mt. of bentleigh list i would say thomson is the one we need most to become a player. how many big bodied inside players do we have again.
Tuck
Jackson
Deledio
so we have tuck a genuine inside extractor of the ball from packs.they tried to trade him because he lacks quality.
jackson sheesh half rate him half dont. sorry im one who doesnt. goes okay as a run with player where hes taken to the ball.no smarts poor decision maker and uses the ball poorly far to often. i would go so far as to say hes not a midfielders backside.
one thing with him he is a big body if he can be taught to block and shepherd at the clinches and create space for his more talented teammates and he can shut down opponents he may be worth persevering with me id rather try and attain a more rounded player.
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deledio well he does win his fair share of footy but hes more outside and hes no true extractor or grunt player.just like martin cotchin cuz you want deledio with ball in hand on the outside the thing is they can all win their own ball its this that has them rated so highly.
we have 3 genuine inside extractors foley, tuck, and thomson, its why tuck has survived so long on our list. there has been no other of his type other than foley and cogs who has hardly played a game for yrs now. we actually have a kid called contin who fits the bill but hes on the rookie list and wonder of wonders he can actually kick well. the problem is he will take a little while.
already foley is injured and we are down to just tuck and thomson for the opener.
anyway we disagree you obviously think we have enough extractors of quality. or just plain enough extractors regardless of quality.
me i think i would like to upgrade if possible on at least one tuck, possibly two if thomson fails this yr.
to my way of thinking if tuck is below standard and he is in many areas, it leaves atm only foley who is ready to play and up to standard, and this means we need thomson to step up and prove himself at this level.
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Talk about putting pressure and unrealistic expectations on a first year kid. Supporters ringing up SEN claiming Martin will be our best player and will win our B&F this year :-\
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Talk about putting pressure and unrealistic expectations on a first year kid. Supporters ringing up SEN claiming Martin will be our best player and will win our B&F this year :-\
I heard that, I think there was a communication breakdown. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrSWNvHD1R8)
I think the guy that phoned in was saying that Martin will eventually end up being our best player and Robbo thought he meant this year.
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Too many ifs on most of those 2nd tier mids. Cuz and Tucky aren't long-term options either in the 1st tier category. Tucky isn't a 1st tier mid but due to our lack of depth he was played as one. If Griffiths and Astbury can show enough to suggest they'll be long-term tall prospects I would say we will target another gun mid with our first pick in next year's draft.
1st tier: Lids, Cotch, Martin, 2010 pick 4?
2nd tier: Foley, Collins, Blingers
3rd tier: Jacko, Connors, etc ....
Our midfield is slowly getting there and they'll all have their best years ahead of them together.
pretty much agree with those ratings mt. of bentleigh list i would say thomson is the one we need most to become a player. how many big bodied inside players do we have again.
Tuck
Jackson
Deledio
so we have tuck a genuine inside extractor of the ball from packs.they tried to trade him because he lacks quality.
jackson sheesh half rate him half dont. sorry im one who doesnt. goes okay as a run with player where hes taken to the ball.no smarts poor decision maker and uses the ball poorly far to often. i would go so far as to say hes not a midfielders backside.
one thing with him he is a big body if he can be taught to block and shepherd at the clinches and create space for his more talented teammates and he can shut down opponents he may be worth persevering with me id rather try and attain a more rounded player.
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deledio well he does win his fair share of footy but hes more outside and hes no true extractor or grunt player.just like martin cotchin cuz you want deledio with ball in hand on the outside the thing is they can all win their own ball its this that has them rated so highly.
we have 3 genuine inside extractors foley, tuck, and thomson, its why tuck has survived so long on our list. there has been no other of his type other than foley and cogs who has hardly played a game for yrs now. we actually have a kid called contin who fits the bill but hes on the rookie list and wonder of wonders he can actually kick well. the problem is he will take a little while.
already foley is injured and we are down to just tuck and thomson for the opener.
anyway we disagree you obviously think we have enough extractors of quality. or just plain enough extractors regardless of quality.
me i think i would like to upgrade if possible on at least one tuck, possibly two if thomson fails this yr.
to my way of thinking if tuck is below standard and he is in many areas, it leaves atm only foley who is ready to play and up to standard, and this means we need thomson to step up and prove himself at this level.
I never said anything of the sort :-\
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Based on yesterday, Scully and Trengove must be bloody good footballers and physically ready-made if they were considered clearly ahead of Martin in the draft.
(http://images.slatterymedia.com/images/thumbs/main/198120.jpg)
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(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,7214994,00.jpg)
They must have lots of potential, they certainly don't look as ready as Martin does.
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Well maybe, just bloody maybe, we may have pulled off the Franklin/Pavlich draw for a change, lets hope so and then the media can spend the next 50 million years giving crap to Melbourne!!
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Dustin looks like he is in early twenties in looks and body size. :thumbsup
Put him in another jumper and some on here might mistakenly take him for someone else and he's already had 50 AFL games under his belt.
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Dustin looks like he is in early twenties in looks and body size. :thumbsup
Put him in another jumper and some on here might mistakenly take him for someone else and he's already had 50 AFL games under his belt.
Dead right, for once IMO we have picked up the Daniel Rich of the draft.. :shh
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Looking at that he's going to have a problem of being too big as opposed to too slight.
Massive unit.
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or it could go the other way people. morabito is about 5cm taller 5 kg heavier a little more streamlined and in time will be capable of doing what goodes does for sydney or even pavlich his teammate. that is play kp if need be.
i still maintain the greatest upside of any of the top 4 taken this yr is morabito.
i have no doubt he will play rnd one this yr as well.
from what i can see both will be very good players but it would be a bummer if morabito makes it and martin doesnt.
in fact freos midfield is taking shape quite nicely.hill palmer ibbotson morabito suban haselby it sort of goes to show its not just about improving your list but doing better than everyone else we forget all clubs keep on improving.
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or it could go the other way people. morabito is about 5cm taller 5 kg heavier a little more streamlined and in time will be capable of doing what goodes does for sydney or even pavlich his teammate. that is play kp if need be.
i still maintain the greatest upside of any of the top 4 taken this yr is morabito.
i have no doubt he will play rnd one this yr as well.
from what i can see both will be very good players but it would be a bummer if morabito makes it and martin doesnt.
in fact freos midfield is taking shape quite nicely.hill palmer ibbotson morabito suban haselby it sort of goes to show its not just about improving your list but doing better than everyone else we forget all clubs keep on improving.
Morabito might end up being the next Adam Goodes but he might end up being the next Des Headland. As far as risk for return goes, Martin, Scully and Trengove are a lot safer investment - that's why he didn't go until #4 (and might have even been later if Freo had a later pick). We couldn't afford to take risks with our early pick.
And as for midfields taking shape - ignoring Haselby and Cousins who will both be gone in 2 seasons, I'll back Deledio, Tambling, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Jackson and Collins against them any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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or it could go the other way people. morabito is about 5cm taller 5 kg heavier a little more streamlined and in time will be capable of doing what goodes does for sydney or even pavlich his teammate. that is play kp if need be.
i still maintain the greatest upside of any of the top 4 taken this yr is morabito.
i have no doubt he will play rnd one this yr as well.
from what i can see both will be very good players but it would be a bummer if morabito makes it and martin doesnt.
in fact freos midfield is taking shape quite nicely.hill palmer ibbotson morabito suban haselby it sort of goes to show its not just about improving your list but doing better than everyone else we forget all clubs keep on improving.
Morabito might end up being the next Adam Goodes but he might end up being the next Des Headland. As far as risk for return goes, Martin, Scully and Trengove are a lot safer investment - that's why he didn't go until #4 (and might have even been later if Freo had a later pick). We couldn't afford to take risks with our early pick.
And as for midfields taking shape - ignoring Haselby and Cousins who will both be gone in 2 seasons, I'll back Deledio, Tambling, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Jackson and Collins against them any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
have to say im not having a go at martin in fact quite happy to have him. but if people think there was much between morabito martin scully and trengove they are kidding themselves.
he was the standout at u18s played against men and done well also.
performance against peers he stacks up better than any of them. hes of a height and size that will enable him to play both tall and midfield thus has more versatility.
i have no doubt martins footskills got him taken at 3 instead of morabito. morabito was never going to slip lower than pick 4 and it would have come as no surprise to see him go higher.
hmm the two midfields in going forward as Hardwick likes to say. i would give it to our lot but there isnt a lot in it.
in deledio, cotchin (who has done nothing to date because of injury) and martin i think we have real quality and better ball users.
but with hill morabito and palmer they have a running brigade that could be awesome.palmers kicking is a worry though.add suban and ibbotson who i have no doubt will be good players their mid field moving forward is looking decent. without doubt they could do with a dustin martin type.
atm they have far better structure forward especially if pavlich plays forward permanently and back with solid kpds in johnson grover mcpharlin and tarrant it could well be one of these 4 will play forward. and with sandilands a dominant ruckman.
with a massive home ground advantage i think they may surprise a few this yr.
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Massive blue by Freo to take Hill ahead of Rich though. In finals when the game is far more in tight and contested the difference will become more apparent. Rich was always a man-child while Hill is highly skillful but he has a very slight body which doesn't appear to be the type that will fill out.
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or it could go the other way people. morabito is about 5cm taller 5 kg heavier a little more streamlined and in time will be capable of doing what goodes does for sydney or even pavlich his teammate. that is play kp if need be.
i still maintain the greatest upside of any of the top 4 taken this yr is morabito.
i have no doubt he will play rnd one this yr as well.
from what i can see both will be very good players but it would be a bummer if morabito makes it and martin doesnt.
in fact freos midfield is taking shape quite nicely.hill palmer ibbotson morabito suban haselby it sort of goes to show its not just about improving your list but doing better than everyone else we forget all clubs keep on improving.
and morabito kicking is like Leon Cameron
and he is a very good looking young man
:cheers
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I just got back tonight from a week over in wa....Hill has put on about 5 or 6 kgs...he will play this year between 75 and 78 kg.
They have a special player in Hill....as for Rich...a few other clubs also passed on him before he got to Brissy....Hill was probably seen as having more upside than Rich...but IMHO if you got 10 years of Rich's form from last year you would be happy...:)
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and morabito kicking is like Leon Cameron
Good jokes?
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Richmond's Dustin Martin gets his go
* Jon Ralph
* Herald Sun
* February 10, 2010
RICHMOND's No. 3 draft pick Dustin Martin is considered certain play against Hawthorn on Saturday, with forward Troy Taylor also in the mix.
The new-look Tigers kick off their NAB Cup campaign in Launceston, but despite 14 new names at the club, only a handful of players will debut.
Ben Cousins is unlikely to play, and Troy Simmonds, Daniel Jackson and Nathan Foley are already ruled out as they manage injuries.
But, besides that quartet, new coach Damien Hardwick will pick the side on merit.
Taylor has a preliminary court hearing on February 18 for his assault charge, so the club will not make a decision on his short-term future until then.
St Kilda's Andrew Lovett has been suspended by his club while awaiting a police investigation into a potential rape charge.
Though the Tigers have not suspended Taylor, the AFL has been kept abreast of their management of the first-year tall.
Martin's impressive pre-season and intra-club form will see him rewarded, with recent draftee David Astbury also some chance to play.
Trent Cotchin will play after a managed pre-season, while rookie Graham Polak is likely to be given another chance to impress with a senior-listed spot up for grabs.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-dustin-martin-gets-his-go/story-e6frf9jf-1225828494176
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Despite the flogging I think we can safely say we got it right taking Martin at pick 3.
First game and he's our top possession winner - 11 kicks (8 effective), 15 handballs, 5 marks, 5 tackles and also had our most inside 50s with 7 and 3 rebounds out of defensive 50. Going to be a special player if he keeps that up most weeks.
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Will be top 2 in the rising star this year as a minimum.
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It amazing how everyone thinks they can predict the future when tipping the draft..
John Butcher this Moribitto this.
Martin was clearly the best.
Just hope he grows into a very very good servant of the club. Excpectations are through the roof it's ridiculous.
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Will be top 2 in the rising star this year as a minimum.
So was Andrew Raines !!!,
Great first up game by Slim though
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After last night Martin is back to equal favouritism with Naitanui for the Rising Star award
https://www.sportsbet.com.au/sports/event/SportID/4/CompetitionPID/22727/RoundPID/433/EventID/1068255
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this yr will be a long hard one again
but watching mrtin play will be worth it and mak eth eyr a better one
for once we picked the right player.. about effing time
its gonna be great seeing cuz, martin deledio and cotchas our main 4 in the middle
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Martin, Deledio, Cotchin and Cousins need to not get injuries this year
:pray
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Will be top 2 in the rising star this year as a minimum.
So was Andrew Raines !!!,
Great first up game by Slim though
I think the diffence between Raines and Martin are quite apparent. Raines is not in the same ball park. Raines is a one trick pony and was horribly exposed post that one good year he had. Martin showed last night he has many strings to his bow.
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MARTIN WILL BE A FREAK!
HE AND COTCHIN WILL BE THE BEST DUO IN THE MIDFEILD MARK IT DOWN
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Yeah not much more to say about this kid, amazing.
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yes! he can play!
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Everyone loves Dusty.....
[Comment From RooRoo: ] Thoughts on dustin martin in the midfield??
[ Wayne Schwass: ] He is an absolute gone (sic. gun). He will definitely be in my (dream) team. He has a mature body, will play a lot of footy and he knows how to find it.
http://www.afl.com.au/dreamteam/wayneschwasslivechat/tabid/15805/default.aspx
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expecting "aston" to back up on last fortnights game with another 20+ polished disposals dont think the fact we are versing the premiers to make any difference to his game
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expecting "aston" to back up on last fortnights game with another 20+ polished disposals dont think the fact we are versing the premiers to make any difference to his game
Hope that they put Cling on him and he towels him.
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Any more where Dusty comes from?! Fantastic game against a side that prides itself on contested footy. Won the ball, won the clearances and a Tiger who can actual kick well.
The only negative is the poor kid will cop a heavy tag even before he reaches 10 games.
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Any more where Dusty comes from?! Fantastic game against a side that prides itself on contested footy. Won the ball, won the clearances and a Tiger who can actual kick well.
The only negative is the poor kid will cop a heavy tag even before he reaches 10 games.
Agree and I said in another thread we need to protect him by playing him towards say 11 games this season 14 at a maximum. lets not stuff up the kids development.
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This boy is going to embarress our list by winning the best and fairest in his first season.
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This boy is going to embarress our list by winning the best and fairest in his first season.
Most of the players he embarasses will be playing suburban footy next year.
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wait until his balls drop.
Will be a cross between voss and Judd.
Makes deledio look exactly what he is-lazy.
Dustin,ur the best on the list kid.
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Mind you lets not forget that 3 or 4 of his kicks last night missed the target by a long way, so its no all good nevertheless he shows some outstanding ability.
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I think him and the other recruits are still trying to come to terms with the pace of the game. He also missed a few goals, but I hope he keeps trying to kick those 60 m goals. He has the skills to pull it off. How good was that 60 m pass to Jack?
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I think him and the other recruits are still trying to come to terms with the pace of the game. He also missed a few goals, but I hope he keeps trying to kick those 60 m goals. He has the skills to pull it off. How good was that 60 m pass to Jack?
Not concerned with the long shots at goal, some only missed by afew inches, it was some of his field kicking around the middle of the park and out to the wings which missed targets by a fair way.
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In the four times i've seen him he has made some disposal errors that surprised me. For similar reasons that I'm not concerned by the missed long goals, at this stage I cut him a bit of slack with those errors. If he was still making them next year I would be concerned. I think it just takes new recruits a while to adjust to the pace of the game and therefore judge better when they have time to settle.
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Hardwick on Dusty in EOTT
"Dustin Martin was good again, winning another five or six clearances. I think he’s eighth in the competition at the moment in the clearances’ category :o, so he’s going really well from that point of view. We’ve just got to make sure that he gets some more ball around the ground. He’s probably struggling a bit outside the contest at the moment, but, in time, he’ll learn his patterns and where to run, and bolster this part of his game."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/ARCHIVEPAGES/SecureSignonTest/GreenbergsGrabs/tabid/15918/Default.aspx
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8th already
by the end of the yr will be top 5
next yr no1!
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Last week against the Swans he got off a few long shots at goal. That tells me that he's working to the right spots and using his main weapon, the kick, a bit more.
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And not nominated of rising star yet
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And not nominated of rising star yet
funny that
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This is a pretty clever bit of photoshopping here of Dustin, really does have the eye of the tiger!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brocknroll/4310360109/in/pool-richmondfc
I have a feeling Dusty will take it to Melbourne on Sunday... i wonder if trengrove or scully will get a job tagging him?
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You get that feeling that Martin is one of those types that may just want to make that bit more of a statement playing against 2 dudes who were picked up before him. You know just to prove a point, not so much to anyone else but maybe just himself. Hope he doesn't kill anyone ;D
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Reported on MMM. Offering $500k per season. Sheedy keen to get him.
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western sydney is a hole from what i understand, why on earth would any young bloke wanna go there- even for 500k.
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Reported on MMM. Offering $500k per season. Sheedy keen to get him.
psssst, don;t tell anyone but he'll be our second/top highest earner once he's out of contract...500k/season a piece of pee
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Sheeds couldn't possibly do this it would destroy us. And I'll punch his phuken face in if I see him. :banghead
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Of course they want him.
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Sheeds couldn't possibly do this it would destroy us. And I'll punch his phuken face in if I see him. :banghead
Sheeds not a Richmond person - hasnt been for a long time, his disappointment in not gettingt he job at RFC is probably enough motivation for him to do us damage. Anyway stuff him ... RFC supporters are wasting there time talking about that bloke!
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there;s reports that he actually signed with us for 3 yrs which would keep him from harms way, I know that scully and trengrove did
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there;s reports that he actually signed with us for 3 yrs which would keep him from harms way, I know that scully and trengrove did
Yep Dusty signed until 2012. GWS and sheeds can go and get stuffed ;D.
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phew - ya see that's why I rely on this site so much - I dont pay enough attention (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy014.gif)
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western sydney is a hole from what i understand, why on earth would any young bloke wanna go there- even for 500k.
Yeh i live in sydney and its like depressing to go out west ... But don't think dusty would want to leave Melb
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Says heaps about the man
What a jerk Sheeds is :banghead
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Ge the new franchises are a circus.
Words cant describe what Richmond supporters would do if Martin was lost to GWS. We have enough room in salary cap to match 500k anyway.
The AFL should disallow players under the age of 20 to be poached. 500k in front of a 17/18 year old is a farce. Should never be allowed, an absolute disgrace.
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ad nausuem where Kevin is concerned..
lets hope the AFL get emough bang for their buck.
otherwise some heads will :rollin
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Honestly what would the Tiger fans do if it did happen ? Strong letters do crap all ...
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Just like Cotch had no intention of going to GC Dustin won't be going to GWS.
Sheeds is useless to AFL now he is an ancient relic and should channel his energy in trying to lure a Bombers star in order to derail their rebuild.
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Richmond pounces on young gun Dustin Martin
Michael Warner From: Herald Sun May 12, 2010 12:00AM
RICHMOND has launched contract negotiations with budding star Dustin Martin just six games into his AFL career.
With cashed-up Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney recruiters circling, the Tigers have moved quickly to secure the services of their most talented teenager. They have already signed fellow "untouchables" Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin to long-term deals.
In the depths of a dismal first year under coach Damien Hardwick, a third marquee signing would give hope to long-suffering Richmond fans. TAB Sportsbet yesterday rated the Tigers a $6 chance to go through the season without a win - a feat last "achieved" by North Melbourne in 1931.
Martin, pick No. 3 in last year's national draft, is contracted to the end of 2011 on a base salary of $57,300, plus payments of $2800 for every match. His earnings could rocket if the Tigers, now paying close to the minimum 92.5 per cent of the salary cap, offer a new deal. Richmond officials yesterday confirmed talks had started with Martin's manager Ricky Nixon.
The move follows Fremantle's decision in April to sign gun mature-age rookie Michael Barlow to a long-term deal after just two games as a Docker. Essendon and the Western Bulldogs yesterday confirmed new deals for stars Jobe Watson and Adam Cooney, leaving Gary Ablett the last uncontracted big fish.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-pounces-on-young-gun-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9jf-1225865257456
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Very good Richmond, very good, another POSITIVE move from the club. Gee what a great club we are going to be, very good to have proactive thinkers down there!!!!
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Totally agree
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agree. Great work by the club
someone must have been listening to tripleM Saturday as they were all over it. GC17 chasing Martin. A few days later BANG!! Tigers aim to put a stop to that.
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Bloody hope so he hasn't even been here a year yet... sheesh..
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Clearly a big part of our future. Good to see the club isn't mucking around.
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Is this another bad decision by the club panicking & putting huge value on a 1st year player.
Being a businessman its not something l would do. It can be damaging in several different ways.
Although l dont see any reason why Martin wont be a 10 year player for the Tigers, it could also send the wrong message to him.
l just see thier decision a very bad one & could be damaging.
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Is this another bad decision by the club panicking & putting huge value on a 1st year player.
Being a businessman its not something l would do. It can be damaging in several different ways.
Although l dont see any reason why Martin wont be a 10 year player for the Tigers, it could also send the wrong message to him.
l just see thier decision a very bad one & could be damaging.
I personally think this is a positive, but I see where you are coming from Monk - it does seem a little knee-jerk reactive to reports GC17 were interested in Martin.
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well they have made the decision & l'm happy about it cause his got some great ability
But business sence gee its a huge call to make & must have been on the boardroom table for some time
Can tell you Gary March is not a great businessman ;D & a airhead
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Can tell you Gary March is not a great businessman ;D & a airhead
is that personal insult needed or warranted....NO
is that personal insult even correct...NO
some people just like to read their own words on a computer screen ...and think it is gospel cos they said it...
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Richmond pounces on young gun Dustin Martin
Michael Warner From: Herald Sun May 12, 2010 12:00AM
RICHMOND has launched contract negotiations with budding star Dustin Martin just six games into his AFL career.
With cashed-up Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney recruiters circling, the Tigers have moved quickly to secure the services of their most talented teenager. They have already signed fellow "untouchables" Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin to long-term deals.
In the depths of a dismal first year under coach Damien Hardwick, a third marquee signing would give hope to long-suffering Richmond fans. TAB Sportsbet yesterday rated the Tigers a $6 chance to go through the season without a win - a feat last "achieved" by North Melbourne in 1931.
Martin, pick No. 3 in last year's national draft, is contracted to the end of 2011 on a base salary of $57,300, plus payments of $2800 for every match. His earnings could rocket if the Tigers, now paying close to the minimum 92.5 per cent of the salary cap, offer a new deal. Richmond officials yesterday confirmed talks had started with Martin's manager Ricky Nixon.
The move follows Fremantle's decision in April to sign gun mature-age rookie Michael Barlow to a long-term deal after just two games as a Docker. Essendon and the Western Bulldogs yesterday confirmed new deals for stars Jobe Watson and Adam Cooney, leaving Gary Ablett the last uncontracted big fish.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-pounces-on-young-gun-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9jf-1225865257456
sorry WA, but dosent it say "In the depths of a dismal first year under coach Damien Hardwick, a third marquee signing would give hope to long-suffering Richmond fans. TAB Sportsbet yesterday rated the Tigers a $6 chance to go through the season without a win - a feat last "achieved" by Fitzroy in 1964."??
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Can tell you Gary March is not a great businessman ;D & a airhead
is that personal insult needed or warranted....NO
is that personal insult even correct...NO
some people just like to read their own words on a computer screen ...and think it is gospel cos they said it...
Oh do you know about his business adventures do you ;D google it if you dont :rollin con -artist
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Richmond pounces on young gun Dustin Martin
Michael Warner From: Herald Sun May 12, 2010 12:00AM
RICHMOND has launched contract negotiations with budding star Dustin Martin just six games into his AFL career.
With cashed-up Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney recruiters circling, the Tigers have moved quickly to secure the services of their most talented teenager. They have already signed fellow "untouchables" Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin to long-term deals.
In the depths of a dismal first year under coach Damien Hardwick, a third marquee signing would give hope to long-suffering Richmond fans. TAB Sportsbet yesterday rated the Tigers a $6 chance to go through the season without a win - a feat last "achieved" by North Melbourne in 1931.
Martin, pick No. 3 in last year's national draft, is contracted to the end of 2011 on a base salary of $57,300, plus payments of $2800 for every match. His earnings could rocket if the Tigers, now paying close to the minimum 92.5 per cent of the salary cap, offer a new deal. Richmond officials yesterday confirmed talks had started with Martin's manager Ricky Nixon.
The move follows Fremantle's decision in April to sign gun mature-age rookie Michael Barlow to a long-term deal after just two games as a Docker. Essendon and the Western Bulldogs yesterday confirmed new deals for stars Jobe Watson and Adam Cooney, leaving Gary Ablett the last uncontracted big fish.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-pounces-on-young-gun-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9jf-1225865257456
sorry WA, but dosent it say "In the depths of a dismal first year under coach Damien Hardwick, a third marquee signing would give hope to long-suffering Richmond fans. TAB Sportsbet yesterday rated the Tigers a $6 chance to go through the season without a win - a feat last "achieved" by Fitzroy in 1964."??
Sorry I don't understand your point???? I didn't actually write the article.
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Tiger cub Martin making the most of Middle Park
MARK HAWTHORNE
May 19, 2010
RICHMOND fans will be happy to hear the club is keeping a close eye on first-round draft pick Dustin Martin.
Indeed, club president Gary March couldn't keep closer tabs on the teenager, who is rumoured to be on the shopping list for Greater Western Sydney.
March has let the 17-year-old move into his impressive Middle Park House. Martin, the No. 3 pick in last year's draft, has looked an outstanding prospect in his seven games for the Tigers this season. So impressive, that the cashed-up expansion sides have targeted him, with some rather silly salary figures being bandied about.
The rookie is contracted to the end if 2011 on a base salary of $57,300, plus a $2800 match fee. The Tigers are on the front foot and negotiating a new deal. Sources at Richmond said the move into the president's home has nothing to do with any off-field problems, but the country boy, who has the motto ''Live Free. Die Free'' tattooed on his chest, was still adjusting to city life.
''There's nothing sinister, he's a quality young kid,'' Sporting Life was told. ''He just wanted a home environment after moving down from Bendigo.'' And the last Tigers player to reside there? That would be one Ben Cousins - another man with a rather significant tattoo - who used March's house for a month when he first joined the club. March and his family were overseas at the time.
Martin is expected to inhabit Cousins' old room until the end of the season.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/fc-st-pauli-in-a-league-of-its-own-20100518-vc9y.html
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Rumour according to Russel on 3aw with Healy and Caro is GWS will offer Martin $800k a year.
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Rumour according to Russel on 3aw with Healy and Caro is GWS will offer Martin $800k a year.
ooo wow, if you increase the figure does that make the rumour more plausible???
If Geelong can keeps the likes of Selwood in their side of stars, surely we can keep Martin in a team of kids and expendables!!
Wait until he gets a win and sings the song, not going anywhere!!
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MT, has he actually signed with us, is it factual?? If not these vultures need to keep their dirty little mitts off our players IMHO. This is just out of control, the RFC need to act on Martin before the end of the week, act as quick as they did with Cotchin.
Like they not getting enough with their draft picks, also, if we have to offer Martin some monumental amount of money it may hinder our own trade chances/recruiting come the end of the year. While Martin is worth or is going to be worth whatever, we can not keep him at the detriment of our future IMO, how dedecated he is to our club will show.
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Rumour according to Russel on 3aw with Healy and Caro is GWS will offer Martin $800k a year.
I dont know about u guys but its generally frowned upon if a player goes to another team for money not like the rugby :shh
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Money is being offered to players now and they are rejecting GC17 where at least GC is kind of nice to take your kids and go to the theme parks. What has GWS have going for it. Not footy heartland at all. Kids like Martin have grown up in footy towns and have footy running through their veins. To go to GWS would be the equivalent of footy withdrawal. Just shows how desperate they are. If Martin signs for us expect someone else from last years draft to be the new must have.
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This just smells of an old man who is following the same road as one KB before him and trying to screw our club over after we didnt select him.
KS is the new KB. See you in 15 years when you decide to come back through the front door again. They can all go get fked as far as im concerned.
Sheeds is doing this for Sheeds not for GWS lets be clear
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Money is being offered to players now and they are rejecting GC17 where at least GC is kind of nice to take your kids and go to the theme parks. What has GWS have going for it. Not footy heartland at all. Kids like Martin have grown up in footy towns and have footy running through their veins. To go to GWS would be the equivalent of footy withdrawal. Just shows how desperate they are. If Martin signs expect someone else from last years draft to be the new must have.
Tottaly agree .. But western sydney is becoming more AFL cause kids don't wanna be dirty rugby players.. dead set you watch next generation sydney will have alot of AFL fans
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$2.4m offer for Tiger's young gun Dustin Martin from Greater Western Sydney
* Mark Robinson
* From: Herald Sun
* May 26, 2010
RICHMOND young gun Dustin Martin has a potential $2.4 million contract ahead of him after just eight games of football.
It is believed Martin, 18, has a verbal offer of $800,000 a season over three seasons from 2012 from the New South Wales expansion team, despite denials yesterday from Greater Western Sydney.
The good news for Tigers fans is Martin wants to stay at Punt Rd and contract negotiations with the Tigers will be discussed in the second half of this year.
If he stays, he could reasonably demand between $400,000-$500,000 a season.
Martin's manager Ricky Nixon said yesterday: "I don't want to get involved in discussion over Dustin's negotiations, other than to say it's a unique situation with two new teams coming into the competition."
As barbs continue to be traded between the Tigers, GWS and its coach Kevin Sheedy, Martin has been made aware a boom contract awaits him if he doesn't re-sign with Richmond.
GWS head of football Graeme Allan yesterday said the club had yet to prioritise its wish-list and had not spoken to Martin.
"We don't comment on player contracts," Allan said.
Nixon and Richmond yesterday agreed to make no further public comment on Martin's future after yet another report linking Martin to the expansion team.
It was first revealed in the Herald Sun on May 12 that the Tigers had began contract talks with Nixon, which revolved around a telephone call from Richmond to Nixon.
Sheedy upped the ante with the Tigers in a recent column in the Sunday Herald Sun.
He said the Tigers' promising youngsters would be targeted by the GWS, and that the Tigers had never got their business together in two decades.
Tigers president Gary March yesterday was quoted as saying clubs needed protection from losing early-round draftees to the expansion teams.
The AFL has said the Tigers must fight to keep their players, like every club.
Martin, pick No. 3 in last year's national draft, is contracted until the end of 2011 on a base salary of $57,300, plus payments of $2800 for every match.
His form this season has wowed Tigers officials.
Richmond's issue is GWS will pay a superstar's wage for Martin, so the Tigers will have to pay "overs" for a player of such inexperience.
As the club develops a new list, and after recent signings of Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin, Martin's signature on a new contract is priority No. 1.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m-offer-for-tigers-young-gun-dustin-martin-from-greater-western-sydney/story-e6frf9jf-1225871283986
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Well I am afraid to say that if he does not re-sign I will officially give up following football and the RFC. I will concentrate on my childrens sport, motorbike riding, Golf, my photography, V8's, MotoGP, World Superbikes and a number of other interests that I put off yearly to watch and support my club. At least I will have plenty of time up my sleeve during the football season to fulfil my hobbies.
If Martin leaves it will finally prove that money is all this game has become and that we will never make it because all we will be doing year after year is trying to rebuild a team that will never exist as we will continue to lose players to the wealthier clubs.
Lets hope he stays!!
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Well I am afraid to say that if he does not re-sign I will officially give up following football and the RFC.
Suddenly Martin doesn't seem such a terrible loss :lol
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Well I am afraid to say that if he does not re-sign I will officially give up following football and the RFC.
Suddenly Martin doesn't seem such a terrible loss :lol
Now now, it's been quite pleasent on here over the last few days, well for me anyway... :thumbsup :cheers
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The good news for Tigers fans is Martin wants to stay at Punt Rd and contract negotiations with the Tigers will be discussed in the second half of this year.
If he stays, he could reasonably demand between $400,000-$500,000 a season.
That's all that matters. Sheeds can go and fly a kite for all I care ::).
The Gold Coast were apparently going hard after Foley last year and he re-signed and extended his contract to 2012.
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Anyone who supported Sheedy's push for power at the RFC should be ashamed of themselves.
What a tossbag.
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..... where at least GC is kind of nice to take your kids and go to the theme parks.
Not true Tucker. GC is a horrible place to raise kids. It's full of drugs, crime and values false ego above every other human emotion. I raised some of my children through their teenage years living on the Gold Coast and didn't get a moment's peace. It's feral.
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Anyone who supported Sheedy's push for power at the RFC should be ashamed of themselves.
What a tossbag.
sheedy would love to see the tiges stay on the bottom, the senile old fart still reckons he should of got the rfc coaching job. he is a disgrace
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I hope Richmond does not try and match that offer. $800k for a bloke that has played 8 games is just ludicrous.
Getting involved in bidding wars and paying players more than their worth nearly drove our club (and collingwood) broke. It was the catalyst for the drafting system and salary cap we have in place now
It's even more ludicrous that the AFL are happy for this to happen. Do they really want a situation where the whole players payment market becomes artificially inflated due to these sorts of scenarios?
Not really into the idea of expecting any favours from the AFL due to our perennial crapness, but the league really need to look at protecting lower clubs from loosing early draft selections, the future of the clubs so to speak, to cashed up vultures. It defeats the whole purpose of the draft and the ramifications could be far reaching for the game in general. It has the potential to rip the heart and soul out of the game, what is left of it anyway.
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..... where at least GC is kind of nice to take your kids and go to the theme parks.
Not true Tucker. GC is a horrible place to raise kids. It's full of drugs, crime and values false ego above every other human emotion. I raised some of my children through their teenage years living on the Gold Coast and didn't get a moment's peace. It's feral.
Depends which end of the Gold Coast you live smokey. Also depends on how you raise your kids - some people don't give a toss about how they raise their kids. Won't discipline because they don't want to break little Johnny's spirit!
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Only thing worse than Martin going would be to see the look on that old >:( >:( >:( face if Dustin signs on the dotted line.
That would cut real deep
Edited for avoiding the swear filter and using the "C" word which is unacceptable and wont be tolerated - you've been warned Daniel
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Depends which end of the Gold Coast you live smokey.
I agree to an extent Julz but only to the extent that in some pockets of the Coast it's not too bad - and that is more in the quieter suburbs, not the more famous and well trodden beach/city areas. The main problem is that all teenage kids want to do is party with all the other kids and as you know, on the Coast that means Surfers or Broadbeach which are both dangerous and (bad) influential places for kids to socialise. I hated it when ever my kids went out in town because even though I rate them as fairly sensible and level-headed, the place is just full of idiots looking for nothing else but trouble and/or a market for their drugs. I know that other cities are like this also but the Gold Coast is a relatively small city and concentrates it's social scene fairly tightly, hence the increased likelihood of trouble happening where your innocent kids might be. And for it's size, I rate it much worse than either Melbourne or Sydney, and I believe I can fairly compare because I have lived and raised kids in all 3.
Also depends on how you raise your kids - some people don't give a toss about how they raise their kids. Won't discipline because they don't want to break little Johnny's spirit!
Too true! :thumbsup
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Sunny coast would be a much better place to raise kids.
Gold coast is the manifestation of the worst of the get rich quick value system. In the 20 years I've been going there its changed massively. I've never seen so many tattoo 'sleeves' in on place either
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should not be offered more than 400k to stay with us and he should be prepared to sign a 5 year deal to get it, if Dustin doesnt like the offer he should go to GWS- our club shouldnt allow itself to be held to ransom by other clubs, every year a new batch comes through, every kid wants to play AFL, RFC should hold firm and not stuff up the clubs finances for an 8 game player.
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The player isn't the issue here it is GWS and Sheedy
Whatever we can afford we must to keep any of our young guns
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should not be offered more than 400k to stay with us and he should be prepared to sign a 5 year deal to get it, if Dustin doesnt like the offer he should go to GWS- our club shouldnt allow itself to be held to ransom by other clubs, every year a new batch comes through, every kid wants to play AFL, RFC should hold firm and not stuff up the clubs finances for an 8 game player.
I think 450k-500k on a 3 years deal is fair and reasonable. If Mcguane that spud can get 450k a year then why cant Martin demand that after all he has shown in 8 games what he is capable of.
3 year deal will set him up nicely and also allow him to negotiate a cracking deal in about 3 years time if this form continues.
It should be about what the player is worth and Martin is worth a lot more than your average new recruit.
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Well I am afraid to say that if he does not re-sign I will officially give up following football and the RFC. I will concentrate on my childrens sport, motorbike riding, Golf, my photography, V8's, MotoGP, World Superbikes and a number of other interests that I put off yearly to watch and support my club. At least I will have plenty of time up my sleeve during the football season to fulfil my hobbies.
If Martin leaves it will finally prove that money is all this game has become and that we will never make it because all we will be doing year after year is trying to rebuild a team that will never exist as we will continue to lose players to the wealthier clubs.
Lets hope he stays!!
just spoke to my bro on the phone and we r the same, if this happen, goodbye AFL goodbye RFC
i thought it was against the rules to speak to contracted players... why dosnt martin go straigh to the aflpa and ,media and dob on the GC and gws. no point in going to the afl , as that cypriot poo pusher will hide it and protect the 2 new teams, but if he comes out and says publicly that these teams are breaking the rules and trying to negotiate with him just them maybe all these bastards will back off
as for sheedy and bartlett, march should come out and say the rfc has taken away their legend statuts at the club and they are no longer welcome
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Well I am afraid to say that if he does not re-sign I will officially give up following football and the RFC. I will concentrate on my childrens sport, motorbike riding, Golf, my photography, V8's, MotoGP, World Superbikes and a number of other interests that I put off yearly to watch and support my club. At least I will have plenty of time up my sleeve during the football season to fulfil my hobbies.
If Martin leaves it will finally prove that money is all this game has become and that we will never make it because all we will be doing year after year is trying to rebuild a team that will never exist as we will continue to lose players to the wealthier clubs.
Lets hope he stays!!
just spoke to my bro on the phone and we r the same, if this happen, goodbye AFL goodbye RFC
i thought it was against the rules to speak to contracted players... why dosnt martin go straigh to the aflpa and ,media and dob on the GC and gws. no point in going to the afl , as that cypriot poo pusher will hide it and protect the 2 new teams, but if he comes out and says publicly that these teams are breaking the rules and trying to negotiate with him just them maybe all these bastards will back off
as for sheedy and bartlett, march should come out and say the rfc has taken away their legend statuts at the club and they are no longer welcome
Totally agree X, imagine if they were trying to poach a young gun from the Blues or the Pies, geezus the army, airforce and navy would have been called in by now. But no it's Richmond again so lets pillage and ruin the club, someone has to stand up here and say something, I mean c'mon, even Bomber Thompson is starting to get stuck into Ablett at every opportunity.
Stand the hell up RFC, say and do something, re-sign him or just carry on as the weak club that we are known as. >:(
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.....I mean c'mon, even Bomber Thompson is starting to get stuck into Ablett at every opportunity.
Not if his interview on Monday's On The Couch was anything to go by. He said he was basically sick of talking about it because he had been misquoted and taken out of context so many times by so many journalists that he had had enough - and then he refused to answer Sheehan's direct questions about it. He said that he would love to keep Ablett but if stories of the reputed offer are true then Ablett has a duty to himself and his future to make a call when the time is right, not a moment before. And he said that himself or the club was not going to pressure him to make any decision in any timeframe. He couldn't have been more blunt or assertive with his answers and I don't know about you, but one things that strikes me about Thompson is that he comes across as more honest and open than most. He was pretty peed to be getting asked again.
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Let's all take a deep breath ;D
1. Martin is contracted until the end of 2011. So he isn't about to fly the coop in the next 10 minutes
2. GWS haven't done anything "official" and haven't talked to the kid directly. Silly Ricky Nixon knows the rules so he isn't about to do anything that will risk himelf being stipped of his accreditation as an AFL agent.
3. All Clubs talk to player managers all the time about who is and isn't coming out of contract. And I do mean ALL clubs
4. Give the kid some some credit. This is the media spruiking to sell papers. Let things take it course and trust the kid to do the right thing. I don't think he needs this sort of pressure 8 games into a career
5. The club is on top of this and I am very confident indeed (like I was with Cotchin & Deledio) that young Dusty will be a tiger for a long time
:thumbsup
:gotigers
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.....I mean c'mon, even Bomber Thompson is starting to get stuck into Ablett at every opportunity.
Not if his interview on Monday's On The Couch was anything to go by. He said he was basically sick of talking about it because he had been misquoted and taken out of context so many times by so many journalists that he had had enough - and then he refused to answer Sheehan's direct questions about it. He said that he would love to keep Ablett but if stories of the reputed offer are true then Ablett has a duty to himself and his future to make a call when the time is right, not a moment before. And he said that himself or the club was not going to pressure him to make any decision in any timeframe. He couldn't have been more blunt or assertive with his answers and I don't know about you, but one things that strikes me about Thompson is that he comes across as more honest and open than most. He was pretty peed to be getting asked again.
Yeah but did you hear the interview that they replayed on Footy Clasified Monday night that he had on the weekend?? He is honest though, I do agree.
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Yeah but did you hear the interview that they replayed on Footy Clasified Monday night that he had on the weekend?? He is honest though, I do agree.
No, what did he say?
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Let's all take a deep breath ;D
1. Martin is contracted until the end of 2011. So he isn't about to fly the coop in the next 10 minutes
2. GWS have done anything "official" and haven't talked to the kid directly. Silly Ricky Nixon knows the rules so he isn't about to anything that risk himelf being stipped of his accreditation as an AFL agent.
3. All Clubs talk to player managers all the time about who is and isn't coming out of contract. And I do mean ALL clubs
4. Give the kid some some credit. This is the media spruiking to sell papers. Let things take it course and trust the kid to do the right thing. I don't think he needs this sort of pressure 8 games into a career
5. The club is on top of this and I am very confident indeed (like I was with Cotchin & Deledio) that young Dusty will be a tiger for a long time
:thumbsup
:gotigers
I think a few of us are more frustrated with the way Sheedy and co are going about it and the fact that the AFL has sat back and said bad luck if you want to keep him you had better fight for him.
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Yeah but did you hear the interview that they replayed on Footy Clasified Monday night that he had on the weekend?? He is honest though, I do agree.
No, what did he say?
When asked about if Ablett would leave the club he said straight out, why would he, he is at a successful club why would he leave, I know I wouldn't do that.
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When asked about if Ablett would leave the club he said straight out, why would he, he is at a successful club why would he leave, I know I wouldn't do that.
Ta WAT. Have to say, without seeing the interview and manner in which he said it, the answer itself says "fed up" to me. Rather than having a go or pressuring Ablett, more a smart-ass answer to the journo. Just my take on it.
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When asked about if Ablett would leave the club he said straight out, why would he, he is at a successful club why would he leave, I know I wouldn't do that.
Ta WAT. Have to say, without seeing the interview and manner in which he said it, the answer itself says "fed up" to me. Rather than having a go or pressuring Ablett, more a smart-ass answer to the journo. Just my take on it.
Yeah you are dead right, he wasn't actually interviewed on Footy Clasified, they re-played a radio interview from that day. But yeah I agree he and I would say that 90% of the football community have had enough of the Ablett saga, I know i have.
Thats why IMO we have to act sooner rather than later on Martin, we can't afford to let the Martin signing drag out as long as the Ablett one. Lets hope his signing is announced directly after the bye..
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Thats why IMO we have to act sooner rather than later on Martin, we can't afford to let the Martin signing drag out as long as the Ablett one. Lets hope his signing is announced directly after the bye..
Very true, and would be very happy with that announcement. :thumbsup
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should not be offered more than 400k to stay with us and he should be prepared to sign a 5 year deal to get it, if Dustin doesnt like the offer he should go to GWS- our club shouldnt allow itself to be held to ransom by other clubs, every year a new batch comes through, every kid wants to play AFL, RFC should hold firm and not stuff up the clubs finances for an 8 game player.
Ramps, if that is the case, Martin is heading north!
$800,000 v $500,000 - which one would you choose?
this player is a 250+ matches in our midfield!
we need to keep him!
do what ever it takes.
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should not be offered more than 400k to stay with us and he should be prepared to sign a 5 year deal to get it, if Dustin doesnt like the offer he should go to GWS- our club shouldnt allow itself to be held to ransom by other clubs, every year a new batch comes through, every kid wants to play AFL, RFC should hold firm and not stuff up the clubs finances for an 8 game player.
Ramps, if that is the case, Martin is heading north!
$800,000 v $500,000 - which one would you choose?
this player is a 250+ matches in our midfield!
we need to keep him!
Its about how you run your business- if Martin is worth 500k then what is Deledio worth- $700k? or Cotchin- $700k : the salary cap gets blown to smitherines and we will never have success because we wont be able to get enough good players into our club.
do what ever it takes.
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should not be offered more than 400k to stay with us and he should be prepared to sign a 5 year deal to get it, if Dustin doesnt like the offer he should go to GWS- our club shouldnt allow itself to be held to ransom by other clubs, every year a new batch comes through, every kid wants to play AFL, RFC should hold firm and not stuff up the clubs finances for an 8 game player.
Ramps, if that is the case, Martin is heading north!
$800,000 v $500,000 - which one would you choose?
this player is a 250+ matches in our midfield!
we need to keep him!
do what ever it takes.
Not that simple, they wouldn't be able to keep him on that amount of money for the rest of his career, especially given the amount of high draft picks they will have. Once their 2 year contract are up they will be up for big renegotiations.
Also haven stayed with us for only 2 years, remaining with the club will make it quicker to get access to veterans bonuses where only half of their salary counts towards the TPP and as such can be paid more.
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I think a few of us are more frustrated with the way Sheedy and co are going about it and the fact that the AFL has sat back and said bad luck if you want to keep him you had better fight for him.
Yeah I understand that but some posts seem to be focusing the very small chance of him going rather than the odds being in our favour that he will stay. I will say it again I am very confident he wont being going anywhere
And the AFL have said to all clubs "bad luck if you want to keep him you had better fight for him" because every club is facing a "supposed fight" to keep players in the future.
Look at the Blues they will they have to fight to keep Byrce Gibbs because GC17 is circling? Like us with Cotchin GC17 may think it will be a fight but truth be told not many players leave clubs for more money. Certainly some do but on the whole not many do; especially young ones.
So in the case of Gibbs; he is likely to stay at the Blues (although if wants out of Carlton we should be circling ;D), ditto Dusty with the Tigers.
Let's not forget outside of Ablett Jnr every big name player that they've tried get has kncoked them back. Some of the targets (eg Cotch & Selwood) didn't even bother to talk to them
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I think a few of us are more frustrated with the way Sheedy and co are going about it and the fact that the AFL has sat back and said bad luck if you want to keep him you had better fight for him.
Yeah I understand that but some posts seem to be focusing the very small chance of him going rather than the odds being in our favour that he will stay. I will say it again I am very confident he wont being going anywhere
And the AFL have said to all clubs "bad luck if you want to keep him you had better fight for him" because every club is facing a "supposed fight" to keep players in the future.
Look at the Blues they will they have to fight to keep Byrce Gibbs because GC17 is circling? Like us with Cotchin GC17 may think it will be a fight but truth be told not many players leave clubs for more money. Certainly some do but on the whole not many do; especially young ones.
So in the case of Gibbs; he is likely to stay at the Blues (although if wants out of Carlton we should be circling ;D), ditto Dusty with the Tigers.
Let's not forget outside of Ablett Jnr every big name player that they've tried get has kncoked them back. Some of the targets (eg Cotch & Selwood) didn't even bother to talk to them
Well lets hope a lot more players knock them back!!
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martin will remain a tiger
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martin will remain a tiger
That's what I said :rollin
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Let's not forget outside of Ablett Jnr every big name player that they've tried get has kncoked them back. Some of the targets (eg Cotch & Selwood) didn't even bother to talk to them
Hence the $2m per year salary they are throwing at GAJ, they have a whole salary cap to spend and only fixed contract draft picks to give the money to at the moment.
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The good news for Tigers fans is Martin wants to stay at Punt Rd and contract negotiations with the Tigers will be discussed in the second half of this year.
That for me is the most important line in the article. I feel the kid wants to stay as his family and especially his dad has a big influence on him as with the deal with Cotch.
Ever other line is just he said she said smacked with a hint of drama and a pinch of overeaction. Throw in Sheedy's name and there you have it every RFC fan in the last 30 years is going to raise their eyebrows.
Money is important as some have mention but if GWS and GC17 have signed no megastar ie Ablett Selwood etc I am sure also that playing in premierships and in front of 70000 at the MCG is, rather than travelling from one of the Northern States to Etihad to play North Melbourne in front of 10000-15000. Furthermore if no megastars sign then success will only be a mirage and players won't want to go. You'll find a few players on their last big contract at 28 or 29 will ultimately end up going and we'll have two teams who may as well be performing as the Brisbane Bears from 1987-93.
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dusty wont be going anywhere
sheeds has a club to sell.
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dusty wont be going anywhere
sheeds has a club to sell.
I believe this to be correct. Sheeds has done young Martin a hell of a favor though. Martins next Richmond contract will be a lot more than what it was probably ear marked for. Sheeds is very good at making noise, its all about marketing, creating energy and momentum for the Sydney area. Never the less we and other clubs should be diligent with list management because he WILL steal somebody. Don't be complacent.
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should not be offered more than 400k to stay with us and he should be prepared to sign a 5 year deal to get it, if Dustin doesnt like the offer he should go to GWS- our club shouldnt allow itself to be held to ransom by other clubs, every year a new batch comes through, every kid wants to play AFL, RFC should hold firm and not stuff up the clubs finances for an 8 game player.
Ramps, if that is the case, Martin is heading north!
$800,000 v $500,000 - which one would you choose?
this player is a 250+ matches in our midfield!
we need to keep him!
Its about how you run your business- if Martin is worth 500k then what is Deledio worth- $700k? or Cotchin- $700k : the salary cap gets blown to smitherines and we will never have success because we wont be able to get enough good players into our club.
do what ever it takes.
Ramps is on the money here (pun intended :P) We have been down the path of paying players over their worth and it nearly killed the club. If money is the sole factor for a young bloke then somewhere along the line he will leave for more money. It might as well be sooner than later.
The possibility of disharmony amongst the players is not to be discounted either.
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A grab on SEN had Peter Schwab saying Richmond supporters needn't worry as he's heard Martin is keen to stay at Punt Rd :thumbsup.
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A grab on SEN had Peter Schwab saying Richmond supporters needn't worry as he's heard Martin is keen to stay at Punt Rd :thumbsup.
heard the same thing
lets hope we put this to bed asap so sheedy can go stuff himself
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Dermott Brereton tells Richmond's Dustin Martin to take the money
TAKE the cash while you can. That's the message to Tiger tyro Dustin Martin from Hawks legend Dermott Brereton.
The Herald Sun reported earlier this week that Martin was poised to get a $2.4 million offer from the new Greater Western Sydney team just eight games into his AFL career.
The maturity shown in those games has him already earmarked as a future Richmond leader.
Brereton said this morning he should pounce on the offer while his value was so high.
"I'm looking at him from an outsider's perspective and thinking he's going to turn into a waddler," Brereton said.
"He might still be a very good player, but he'll have to be a very good inside player."
"His currency right now, in relative terms to the market, is as good as it's ever going to be."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dermott-brereton-tells-richmonds-dustin-martin-to-take-the-money/story-e6frf9jf-1225872441375
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"I'm looking at him from an outsider's perspective and thinking he's going to turn into a waddler," Brereton said.
"He might still be a very good player, but he'll have to be a very good inside player."
A waddler?
I am not too worried about what Dermie thinks. We're all still waiting on Aaron James to be as good as Wayne Carey. :wallywink
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I can actually see in Dustins playing style what Dermott is talking about. He may not be far off the mark going forward. Offer him 400k if he doesnt like it he can go live in the squalor pits otherwise known as the Western Suburbs of Sydney.
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Dermie would have said that Voss was a waddler as a young bloke. Clearly Martin doesn't the pace of say Judd, but he can find the footy, can use it and doesn't take a backward step.
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Dermie would have said that Voss was a waddler as a young bloke. Clearly Martin doesn't the pace of say Judd, but he can find the footy, can use it and doesn't take a backward step.
He does say that Martin will have to be a good inside player, and he already is very good.
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I am not too worried about what Dermie thinks. We're all still waiting on Aaron James to be as good as Wayne Carey. :wallywink
I'm still waiting for proof that Dermie thinks. :-\
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I am not too worried about what Dermie thinks. We're all still waiting on Aaron James to be as good as Wayne Carey. :wallywink
I'm still waiting for proof that Dermie thinks. :-\
:lol
Didn't he also think that Travis Tuck will be a multiple B&F winner with the Hawks :lol
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martins actually very quick, and if the coaching staff dont want him to get bigger then he wont simple as that. I dont mind dermie and i agree his value is highernow than it will ever be but thats bc of the GWS scenario not bc hes not going to get better and b a waddler by the time hes 25 roflmaoooo :lol
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Greg Williams was a waddler.
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Was Wayne "Duck" Carey a wadler? :P
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Martin has elite speed, draft camp proved that
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Martin has elite speed, draft camp proved that
yep everyone was shocked at how quick he was
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Martin contract talks begin
richmondfc.com.au
By Nat Edwards 1:34 PM Fri 28 May, 2010
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has confirmed the Tigers are in contract negotiations with rising star Dustin Martin.
The talks come in the wake of speculation earlier this week that Martin had been offered a lucrative three-year deal by Greater Western Sydney to join the club in 2012.
GWS coach Kevin Sheedy recently fuelled speculation when he wrote a column in a Melbourne newspaper revealing the club’s plans to target Richmond’s promising youngsters, including Martin, who’s contracted with the Tigers until the end of 2011.
Hardwick says he is confident that the club’s first-round draft pick from 2009 will stay at Richmond.
“We’re very confident that he’ll stay and be a very good player for our footy club,” Hardwick said on Friday morning.
“Dustin’s not going anywhere we don’t think. He’s very happy here, and we’re in negotiations at the moment.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/95218/default.aspx
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Good the hear the coach coming out and pushing it along a bit.. :thumbsup
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is this a case of us reacting to the media setting the agenda on this?surely the club should have done its homework on this issue.
I mean just speculating here ,so i hope i'm wrong
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sucked in sheedy
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someone has been trying to grab headlines. :rollin
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GWS chasing fresh air, Dusty wont be going anywhere.
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Good the hear the coach coming out and pushing it along a bit.. :thumbsup
why is that good?
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Good the hear the coach coming out and pushing it along a bit.. :thumbsup
why is that good?
Why isn't it good??? Shouldn't the coach or a RFC rep come out and let us all know that we want this kid. Don't you think Martin reads the papers, c'mon mate, don't be silly you know exactly what I meant!!!
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The kid is living with the President of the club. He aint going anywhere.
Club is nipping it in the bud now better than dealing with it for the whole of next year.
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Neville Stibbard(*) on Foxtel said something about the Martin deal and comparing it to the Fitzroy Richmond deal with Michael Gale, Dundas, Brodders etc.
WTF he was talking about I don't know, but said we shouldn't whinge about what was being offered to Martin from other clubs
::)
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hmmm, I can see the relevance ::)
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Magnificent performance from dustin today- particularly in the 1st half when the game was there to be won. A great performance from the kid.
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Yep he finds the footy he is strong and tough and he gets clearances. A genuine inside midfielder. :thumbsup
Can see why GWS want him and can see why he will stay with us too. :thumbsup
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what a game by dustin
this kid today showed he is a man , has balls and played as if he was a tiger for life
well done
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On ya Dusty :bow
Why go to an artifically created franchise in the middle of nowhere when he can belong to a real traditional big club, singing the best song after a win, and making a name for himself in its resurgence over the next 3-4 years. There's legendary status awaiting for the coach and players who take us to the holy grail.
Neville Stibbard(*) on Foxtel said something about the Martin deal and comparing it to the Fitzroy Richmond deal with Michael Gale, Dundas, Brodders etc.
WTF he was talking about I don't know, but said we shouldn't whinge about what was being offered to Martin from other clubs
::)
Does that asterix stand for he's a utter moron FNM :lol. Did anyone remind him we gave up our captain and leading goalkicker in that exchange plus a high pick ::).
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Does that asterix stand for he's a utter moron FNM :lol. Did anyone remind him we gave up our captain and leading goalkicker in that exchange plus a high pick ::).
Asterisk is for I don't know how to spell his name
Force of habit ;)
Yep, don't know what they're whinging about, Hoggy was great up back and forward
The fact he was ruined injury wise is a minor detail lol
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Does that asterix stand for he's a utter moron FNM :lol. Did anyone remind him we gave up our captain and leading goalkicker in that exchange plus a high pick ::).
Asterisk is for I don't know how to spell his name
Force of habit ;)
Yep, don't know what they're whinging about, Hoggy was great up back and forward
The fact he was ruined injury wise is a minor detail lol
If this trade (Hogg for the 3 fitzroy boys) was insurance we would have gone to the big house for fraud lol ... thankfully it was just footy. Anyway Stibbard can get stuffed. We're on the right track.
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Does that asterix stand for he's a utter moron FNM :lol. Did anyone remind him we gave up our captain and leading goalkicker in that exchange plus a high pick ::).
Asterisk is for I don't know how to spell his name
Force of habit ;)
Yep, don't know what they're whinging about, Hoggy was great up back and forward
The fact he was ruined injury wise is a minor detail lol
If this trade (Hogg for the 3 fitzroy boys) was insurance we would have gone to the big house for fraud lol ... thankfully it was just footy. Anyway Stibbard can get stuffed. We're on the right track.
We gave up pick 6 and gained pick 26 in that trade as well.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/draft_history.htm
Sheeds can get stuffed as well for thinking he can get his hands on Martin ;D
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From Patrick Smith in the Australian ...
Still, the FFA campaign against the AFL is not the only mis-information being peddled about by parts of the football community. It has been reported extensively that Richmond's promising midfielder Dustin Martin, picked at three in last year's national draft, is being courted heavily by the new franchises in Sydney and the Gold Coast. It has been suggested he had been offered as much as $800,000 a year to move up north. AFL officials who are monitoring the development of the new teams deny this outright. They are adamant there has been no offer of any sort to Martin. Still, the speculation was enough to spook Richmond president Gary March to run to AFL headquarters asking the game's administrators to intervene. He was reacting to the work of mischievous player managers.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/afl-not-offside-playing-hardball/story-e6frg7mf-1225873764295
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started watching a replay of the port game last night and the commentators said that earlier on Cameron had said that GWS had not spoken to Martin at all.
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Martin hints at staying a Tiger
Dustin Martin has hinted he wants to stay at Richmond
8:50 AM Tue 01 June, 2010RICHMOND youngster Dustin Martin has given the first public indication that he may ignore potential offers from Gold Coast and Greater West Sydney to remain a Tiger.
Martin has been strongly linked to the AFL’s newest clubs as a potential recruit, with suggestions that he could be offered as much as $800,000 per season.
While admitting he has not given much thought to his next contract, Martin revealed exclusively to afl.com.au that he would be leaning towards remaining at Punt Rd.
“The Tigers gave me the opportunity and I’m happy here so I’d be happy to stay here,” he said.
Martin was drafted by Richmond with pick three at last year’s NAB AFL Draft and signed a two-year deal with the Tigers that expires at the end of 2011, which coincides with Greater West Sydney’s arrival on the AFL scene.
He has been one of the Tigers’ bright lights in an otherwise gloomy season, missing just one game this season and averaging 20 disposals per match.
The 18-year-old’s ability to win contested possessions and his immaculate disposal have had the football world in raptures and saw him become the round 10 nominee for the NAB AFL Rising Star.
Gold Coast enters the AFL next season but has so far failed to secure any big names. Joel Selwood, Lance Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Bryce Gibbs and Jarryd Roughead have all re-signed with their Victorian clubs amid speculation they could be chased by Guy McKenna’s team.
Its vast salary cap space and failure to land any big fish so far could mean that the club will focus its intentions on securing the next generation of AFL stars.
Martin is yet to have any discussions about his playing future beyond his initial two-year deal but talks have already begun behind closed doors.
“No, that’s between my manager Ricky Nixon and (Richmond general manager of football operations) Craig Cameron,” he said.
“I haven’t had anything to do with that at the moment, I’m just playing footy.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95400/default.aspx
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From Patrick Smith in the Australian ...
Still, the FFA campaign against the AFL is not the only mis-information being peddled about by parts of the football community. It has been reported extensively that Richmond's promising midfielder Dustin Martin, picked at three in last year's national draft, is being courted heavily by the new franchises in Sydney and the Gold Coast. It has been suggested he had been offered as much as $800,000 a year to move up north. AFL officials who are monitoring the development of the new teams deny this outright. They are adamant there has been no offer of any sort to Martin. Still, the speculation was enough to spook Richmond president Gary March to run to AFL headquarters asking the game's administrators to intervene. He was reacting to the work of mischievous player managers.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/afl-not-offside-playing-hardball/story-e6frg7mf-1225873764295
I was one of the few on here that would have been ok with not paying over the odds to keep dustin martin. Our President seems to have gone into panic mode - its not a good look. RFC needs a new President. I am deadset adamant on this. Gary March seems like a decent bloke, but we need a new leader and President. The club needs to convince someone like Michael Green to takeover or at least find a suitable businessman who loves the Tigers to takeover. My preference is Michael Green.
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Martin hints at staying a Tiger
richmondfc.com.au
By Luke Holmesby
Tue 01 June, 2010
RICHMOND youngster Dustin Martin has given the first public indication that he may ignore potential offers from Gold Coast and Greater West Sydney to remain a Tiger.
Martin has been strongly linked to the AFL’s newest clubs as a potential recruit, with suggestions that he could be offered as much as $800,000 per season.
While admitting he has not given much thought to his next contract, Martin revealed exclusively to afl.com.au that he would be leaning towards remaining at Punt Rd.
“The Tigers gave me the opportunity and I’m happy here so I’d be happy to stay here,” he said.
Martin was drafted by Richmond with pick three at last year’s NAB AFL Draft and signed a two-year deal with the Tigers that expires at the end of 2011, which coincides with Greater West Sydney’s arrival on the AFL scene.
He has been one of the Tigers’ bright lights in an otherwise gloomy season, missing just one game this season and averaging 20 disposals per match.
The 18-year-old’s ability to win contested possessions and his immaculate disposal have had the football world in raptures and saw him become the round 10 nominee for the NAB AFL Rising Star.
Gold Coast enters the AFL next season but has so far failed to secure any big names. Joel Selwood, Lance Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Bryce Gibbs and Jarryd Roughead have all re-signed with their Victorian clubs amid speculation they could be chased by Guy McKenna’s team.
Its vast salary cap space and failure to land any big fish so far could mean that the club will focus its intentions on securing the next generation of AFL stars.
Martin is yet to have any discussions about his playing future beyond his initial two-year deal but talks have already begun behind closed doors.
“No, that’s between my manager Ricky Nixon and (Richmond general manager of football operations) Craig Cameron,” he said.
“I haven’t had anything to do with that at the moment, I’m just playing footy.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/95402/default.aspx
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I was one of the few on here that would have been ok with not paying over the odds to keep dustin martin. Our President seems to have gone into panic mode - its not a good look. RFC needs a new President. I am deadset adamant on this. Gary March seems like a decent bloke, but we need a new leader and President. The club needs to convince someone like Michael Green to takeover or at least find a suitable businessman who loves the Tigers to takeover. My preference is Michael Green.
I must admit, I was always anti-March when he first took over the presidency. Concept Sports was millions in debt at the time so I questioned his credentials to take the top job at the RFC. During the last year or two while we handled Wallace's departure I must admit that I thought he handled it well and had no problem with him continuing in the role. I also believe that the worst thing that can happen is for an attempted board challenge and I still think that today.
That being said I think March should move on at some time over the next 12 months and hand over the job to someone who can take the club to the next level.
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Im not advocating a board challenge, simply that a new President is found
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can see why Roos reckon Aston was worth Rohan & Jetta
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Im not advocating a board challenge, simply that a new President is found
Sorry, wasn't saying you were. Was just a comment on where I thought things were at.
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I was one of the few on here that would have been ok with not paying over the odds to keep dustin martin. Our President seems to have gone into panic mode - its not a good look. RFC needs a new President. I am deadset adamant on this. Gary March seems like a decent bloke, but we need a new leader and President. The club needs to convince someone like Michael Green to takeover or at least find a suitable businessman who loves the Tigers to takeover. My preference is Michael Green.
I'm not sure what panic mode you see March in Ramps? In the past we have been very critical of our President(s) and CEO(s) not speaking out when we have been wearing the rough end of the pineapple and here is a prime time where we needed our leaders to speak up and say "we're not going to cop this" yet you immediately accuse him of panicking! We might well be able to do okay out of an upgrade on him but I don't think he is doing that bad a job that he needs immediate replacement. He has surprised me with the job him and his board have done off field since the Casey Cancer and we won't be losing ground or shooting ourselves in the foot he he stays for a while longer.
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The media keep harping on about Martin and GWS :sleep. It was also the first thing Mark Doran mentioned on radio straight after our win over Brisbane ::).
While the AFL is yet to finalise the compensation system for teams that lose stars to the Gold Coast, Richmond's boom youngster Dustin Martin was used to demonstrate the unfairness of the initial rules - in which Martin could be lost to GWS, with the Tigers receiving only a second-round draft pick.
The AFL executive is now working to revise those compensation rules and while there is much focus on what is seen as the Gary Ablett rule - the compensation Geelong would receive if it lost him to Gold Coast - there is more concern at commission and executive level about the possibility of a lowly club receiving scant return for losing a 20-year-old.
The initial formula meant that a player such as Martin, who is not paid much in his first two seasons, would be measured by what he was paid by his previous club, not the new team if it signed him.
The Tigers are confident of retaining Martin, who has attracted the interest of GWS and is simply being used as an hypothetical by the AFL.
Under the revised formula, which is yet to be settled, the compensation for a younger player such as Martin would be based upon what the new club offered him, not his existing contract.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-gains-ground-in-sydneys-greater-west-20100622-yvqm.html
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thebigricho on Yellow and Black has heard that the deal has been done with Dustin. I'll ley you all decide how accurate you feel this is but at least it might make some of you feel good. Reading it made me feel good. :thumbsup
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=325407#post325407
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thebigricho on Yellow and Black has heard that the deal has been done with Dustin. I'll ley you all decide how accurate you feel this is but at least it might make some of you feel good. Reading it made me feel good. :thumbsup
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=325407#post325407
My mail is it is getting there but not done
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thebigricho on Yellow and Black has heard that the deal has been done with Dustin. I'll ley you all decide how accurate you feel this is but at least it might make some of you feel good. Reading it made me feel good. :thumbsup
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=325407#post325407
My mail is it is getting there but not done
My mail is all bills and junk mail.
Email has well and truly killed off personal letters.
Anyway, good news about Dusty. I'm going to enjoy watching his progression over the next 10 years.
:thumbsup
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Jake Niall, provides some tiny bit of solace if the deal isn't struck with Dustin, as opposed to the original plan.
The AFL is poised to announce changes to its compensation system, with a new panel to determine if a club can receive a second first-round draft pick in exchange for losing a superstar player to the Gold Coast or Greater Western Sydney.
This means under the new system, Geelong would be able to get a second first-round draft pick if it lost Gary Ablett to the Gold Coast - but it would have to make its case and seek approval from the new panel.
The same would apply to a club that lost a budding young star - for example, if Richmond was to lose Dustin Martin to GWS, they could apply to the panel for a second first-round pick.
It is understood the highest pick that could be awarded to a club as compensation would be the first round draft pick that comes after all non-finals playing teams have made their initial selections. In an 18-team competition with a final eight, that would be pick 11. With a final 12, it would be pick seven.
Clubs, headed by Geelong, have been lobbying against the initital system. The Cats have good reason to protest - under the initial system, if the Brownlow medallist decided to join his brother Nathan on the Gold Coast, the earliest draft pick the Cats would get as compensation would be at the start of the second round, which would be No.26 at this year's national draft.
It’s also believed that compensation to existing clubs who lose players to Gold Coast or GWS will instead be determined by the amount he's to be paid by the expansion clubs - not by player's existing contract.
Clubs are being briefed prior to an official announcement by the AFL at 12.45pm.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-to-announce-new-compensation-system-for-star-players-20100623-yx8e.html
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seriously,is the big wog serious about raping the competition just so he can have his ego teams?
why couldn't clubs take legal action ?
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wogs rule!!! unlike zipper heads
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Willie, you'd probably know this. Do u know where Martin's parents live. I was eavesdropping on a conversation and they said Martin lived with the "chairman" of RFC because his folks live in Sydney. Is that true anyone?
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Willie, you'd probably know this. Do u know where Martin's parents live. I was eavesdropping on a conversation and they said Martin lived with the "chairman" of RFC because his folks live in Sydney. Is that true anyone?
martin lives with gary march
his dad is in sydney
his mum in castlemaine, they are divorced
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Thanx
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Here's the official compensation statement from the AFL
Players will be ranked in five separate categories to determine the level of compensation their club will receive.
For a player who meets the highest category of the compensation ranking, and is therefore categorised as a ‘top-echelon’ player, the Commission accepted a recommendation to increase the compensation for these players, which would now see a club receive a Round One Selection and a second selection at the mid-point of Round One, placed after the teams that have missed the finals have had their Round One Selection and before the teams that have competed in the finals have their Round One Selection.
The other categories of compensation would be in four categories - Round One Selection, End of Round One Selection, Round Two Selection and Round Three Selection. A club may elect to use its compensation selection(s) at its choice at any of the next five national drafts and its compensation pick in a round would come immediately after its pick in that year’s draft, with the exception of any Round One picks at the 2010 and 2011 Drafts, which can only be utilised at the end of Round One.
AFL Talent Identification Manager Kevin Sheehan and AFL Game Analysis Manager Andrew McKay will review each compensation selection that is awarded, according to the formula, to determine that it is appropriate. They will have the power to recommend a revised compensation outcome to AFL General Manager Football Operations Adrian Anderson if the formula produces an anomalous result.
“The compensation is designed to reflect the relative values of various players to one another and to reflect the upside of younger players, but it is not designed to fully compensate a club for the loss of a player as the List Establishment Working Group understands that all clubs will have to make sacrifices in the list establishment for the expansion teams.
“Clubs at the bottom of the ladder are sacrificing early draft picks in the compromised drafts and successful clubs will sacrifice by receiving lesser compensation for losing established players, with their compensation picks placed later in the draft,” Mr Dillon said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/96815/default.aspx
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Here's a powerpoint explanation and examples (they have us finishing 10th ??? )
http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl_docs/compensation22-6.ppt (http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl_docs/compensation22-6.ppt)
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The media keep harping on about Martin and GWS :sleep. It was also the first thing Mark Doran mentioned on radio straight after our win over Brisbane ::).
While the AFL is yet to finalise the compensation system for teams that lose stars to the Gold Coast, Richmond's boom youngster Dustin Martin was used to demonstrate the unfairness of the initial rules - in which Martin could be lost to GWS, with the Tigers receiving only a second-round draft pick.
The AFL executive is now working to revise those compensation rules and while there is much focus on what is seen as the Gary Ablett rule - the compensation Geelong would receive if it lost him to Gold Coast - there is more concern at commission and executive level about the possibility of a lowly club receiving scant return for losing a 20-year-old.
The initial formula meant that a player such as Martin, who is not paid much in his first two seasons, would be measured by what he was paid by his previous club, not the new team if it signed him.
The Tigers are confident of retaining Martin, who has attracted the interest of GWS and is simply being used as an hypothetical by the AFL.
Under the revised formula, which is yet to be settled, the compensation for a younger player such as Martin would be based upon what the new club offered him, not his existing contract.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-gains-ground-in-sydneys-greater-west-20100622-yvqm.html
I don't care if the greedy AFL change the rules.
They just want to try and snab Martin from us the dirty corrupt greedy bastards.
The AFL wants to be like FIFA.
Now the Greek real estate agent has changed the rules,that smells fishy to me like they are ringing up Martin to try to get him to GWS.
The greedy one desperate to get his tv rights bags of money.
No number one draft pick will replace a player the calibre of Martin.
These players come around once in a blue moon.
AFL are stuffing arseholes if they let this go through.
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The media keep harping on about Martin and GWS :sleep. It was also the first thing Mark Doran mentioned on radio straight after our win over Brisbane ::).
While the AFL is yet to finalise the compensation system for teams that lose stars to the Gold Coast, Richmond's boom youngster Dustin Martin was used to demonstrate the unfairness of the initial rules - in which Martin could be lost to GWS, with the Tigers receiving only a second-round draft pick.
The AFL executive is now working to revise those compensation rules and while there is much focus on what is seen as the Gary Ablett rule - the compensation Geelong would receive if it lost him to Gold Coast - there is more concern at commission and executive level about the possibility of a lowly club receiving scant return for losing a 20-year-old.
The initial formula meant that a player such as Martin, who is not paid much in his first two seasons, would be measured by what he was paid by his previous club, not the new team if it signed him.
The Tigers are confident of retaining Martin, who has attracted the interest of GWS and is simply being used as an hypothetical by the AFL.
Under the revised formula, which is yet to be settled, the compensation for a younger player such as Martin would be based upon what the new club offered him, not his existing contract.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-gains-ground-in-sydneys-greater-west-20100622-yvqm.html
I don't care if the greedy AFL change the rules.
They just want to try and snab Martin from us the dirty corrupt greedy bastards.
The AFL wants to be like FIFA.
Now the Greek real estate agent has changed the rules,that smells fishy to me like they are ringing up Martin to try to get him to GWS.
The greedy one desperate to get his tv rights bags of money.
No number one draft pick will replace a player the calibre of Martin.
These players come around once in a blue moon.
AFL are effing behindholes if they let this go through.
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i agree
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Spot on smash bhoy
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Richmond should move heaven and earth to keep this kid, he's better than Selwood and in the same league as Judd and Ablett.
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I would like to see him signed during this weekend, maybe an announcement Monday while everyone else if focusing on this round of football!!
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Along with Ablett, Western Bulldog playmaker Jarrod Harbrow and Richmond youngster Dustin Martin -- both out of contract at the end of the season -- are also expected to fall into the "top echelon" category available to the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney franchises.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/ablett-amendment-boosts-compo-for-clubs/story-e6frg7mf-1225883425206
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Along with Ablett, Western Bulldog playmaker Jarrod Harbrow and Richmond youngster Dustin Martin -- both out of contract at the end of the season -- are also expected to fall into the "top echelon" category available to the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney franchises.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/ablett-amendment-boosts-compo-for-clubs/story-e6frg7mf-1225883425206
wish these people would do their research before writing rubbish. Dustin martin isn't out of contract this season.
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Demetriou can bash sand up his a rse
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How would Harbrow be a "top echelon" player?
He's a rookie pick, not a pick 3
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Willie, you'd probably know this. Do u know where Martin's parents live. I was eavesdropping on a conversation and they said Martin lived with the "chairman" of RFC because his folks live in Sydney. Is that true anyone?
martin lives with gary march
his dad is in sydney
his mum in castlemaine, they are divorced
if that is the case, shift his dad here in melbourne!
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Finally we have a list to go places and then the stuffing AFL want to cut us down again.
FARKIN stuff.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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This is garbage.
I want a number one pick and another first round draft pick for DM.
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Some probably need to take a chill pill. Martin has never given any indication that he is going anywhere and none of these articles/snippets say that he is even thinking about it. He is just being used as an example.
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Dusty has said publicly that having lived in Western Sydney there's nothing to do up there while he loves Melbourne. He ain't going. It's just the media talking garbage to stir.
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Dusty is listed in the survey's toughest players to vote on
http://news.mktg.net.au/microsite/hs/FootyFansSurvey2010/
Who is the AFL’s toughest player?
Jimmy Bartel
Campbell Brown
Jonathan Brown
Daniel Cross
Patrick Dangerfield
Lenny Hayes
Barry Hall
Luke Hodge
Chris Judd
Brett Kirk
Jordan Lewis
Dustin Martin :thumbsup
Max Rooke
Joel Selwood
Brad Sewell
Nick Maxwell :rollin. Beating up on first gamers is apparently tough ??? ::)
Cuz was listed under players you love to hate ???
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Yeah and skinny ones at that
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Dusty's birthday today. He turns just 19 :birthday.
A well deserved mid-season break to celebrate :clapping
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:birthday Dustin, hope you have a great day.
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Martin got my vote
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And mine, in the end when I think about it he is! as tough as any of those others anyway.
Being a first year player makes it even more impressive.
One-Eyed-CUB ;)
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TBR on Y&B has some insight into Dusty from a conversation he had with him in the last couple of days. Making some hopeful noises about staying with us.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=326176#post326176
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Dusty's birthday today. He turns just 19 :birthday.
A well deserved mid-season break to celebrate :clapping
Yep same day as old Mopsy here :thumbsup
only 58 years difference in age :shh
Looking forward to seeing him win a premiership :cheers
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Dusty's birthday today. He turns just 19 :birthday.
A well deserved mid-season break to celebrate :clapping
Yep same day as old Mopsy here :thumbsup
only 58 years difference in age :shh
Looking forward to seeing him win a premiership :cheers
All the great people are born around this time - it's mine tomorrow. ;D And like you Mopsy, I have a few up on Dusty too!!
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Happy B/Day Mopsy & Smokey.
Hope you both have great days.
:birthday :birthday
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A little birdie tells me that Dustin got himself a few new tattoos for his birthday.
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Little birdie on the money BT ;)
Martin honours Maori heritage
Jon Pierik
Tuesday, 29 June 2010
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Dustin Martin, Richmond’s rookie sensation, has unveiled the league’s most dramatic insignia tattoos.
The talented midfielder who claimed after being selected with the third pick in last year’s national draft that he was “born to play in the AFL” – and has proven just that this season – has paid tribute to his father Shane and their Maori heritage with the insignia “Ngati Maru” emblazoned on one side of his neck.
In a complex story detailed on the New Zealand government’s website, the tale of the Ngati Maru tribe featured the emergence of the leader Rautao and the retribution he took for the death of his father and brother, the death of a Hauraki “water monster”, further conflicts with northern tribes and the rise of Hauauru as a leader.
In a 2006 census, it was found there were 3,375 Maori descendents of the Ngati Maru.
Martin revealed the tattoos while training at Punt Rd on Tuesday, having had the work done during the mid-season break.
“I actually asked him do they mean what they say – the words,” a Tigers spokesman told backpagelead.com.au.
“He said they were just from his bloodlines.”
Martin also has insignia on the other side of his neck but the words were less clear.
Shane Martin shifted to Australia when he was 21 and was known to all as “Kiwi” when he played football in the Bendigo league.
It’s not the first time Martin has made a statement – literally – on his body.
In November last year, soon after he was drafted with the No.3 pick by the Tigers, it was revealed he had a large tattoo “Live Free. Die Free” inked on his chest.
He said at the time it was a motto he and his father lived by and both had imprinted on their bodies.
The tattoos, however, didn’t appear to overly impress Richmond’s media manager at the time who, conscious of the club’s reputation, stepped in when Martin was asked to lift his shirt by reporters.
The Tigers this season also stopped midfielder Richard Tambling from revealing his chest tattoos featuring the names of his children for a photo shoot.
Teammate Ben Cousins has attracted plenty of attention for his “Such is Life” tattoo.
Martin recently moved in with Tigers president Gary March, who did not wish to comment when contacted today.
Martin has a colourful background, having left Castlemaine High – and school - after year nine and moved to Sydney with his father. There he worked at his dad’s transports business and his dad’s girlfriend’s sports apparel business.
He returned to Victoria in 2008 and played a handful of game with the Bendigo Pioneers.
Buoyed by this form, he emerged as a stand-out in the under-18 competition last year, claiming the Pioneers’ best and fairest and attracting the attention of all AFL clubs bar botom-placed Melbourne, who had settled on Tom Scully and Jack Trengove as their first two picks in the national draft.
Martin has played every game this season and has been in such great form that he has already been offered a multi-million dollar to join Greater Western Sydney from 2012.
But he cannot win the Rising Star award after pleading guilty to a front-on bump in round three.
http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/1739-martin-unveils-maori-tattoo-
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Wow does this kid look mean or what.
This club has been desperate for a hard edged player for decades. Not only is he hard but has a body that can actually do damage. Aww such man love...
Neck tattoo's seem to upset people alot, very in your face. I personally love them because they get such a reaction.
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CV your right. Spot on, with all points.
I'm not a huge fan of tattoos and making a statement with body art. Who cares, each to there own I suppose.
I can't think of a more painful part of the body to get a tattoo on. I'm looking forward to Martin line up on Daisy Thomas and just see Thomas rotate himself off lol.
About time we got a no frills, hard nosed toughie (Sorry WP) in our midfield.
Edited for avoiding the swear filter.
No need to apologise because it gets edited like the others. As it is the first time you've done this Pope you get a one off warning. The use of the "c" word is unacceptable in any form and reminder that a 48 hour suspension to the swear bench applies to all posters if it is used.
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I can't think of a more painful part of the body to get a tattoo on.
Think a bit more.
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under your arm.
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He's Maori !
No wonder i love the kid.
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It was a major attraction yesterday at the Tiger Cibs footy clinic, i tried to take some photos of it but couldnt get the right angle.
Interesting look.....
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Gotta love this kid u know he will back it up on the field
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Seems like a kid with a lot of baggage... :-\ He's undoubtably a tough, hard nosed player but I worry that perhaps this constant need to seek his dad's approval may be a problem later on. I'm sure I'm reading far too much into this but this guy has fast turned into my favourite tiger so I am just waiting for something to happen :help He's going to be the scariest player in the AFL without question!
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relax on that.
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relax on that.
I'm sure you're right Ox. Great avatar by the way.
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Dustin Martin and father go neck and neck in Maori stakes
Aaron Langmaid
Herald Sun
June 30, 2010
FOOTBALLERS often wear their hearts on their sleeve - but young Richmond star Dustin Martin now wears his on his neck.
The No.3 draft pick returned from the mid-season break with bold new ink - the Maori words 'Ngati Maru' and 'Matai Whetu'.
It's the second set of tattoos that mirror those stamped on his father, Shane.
It was revealed at November's draft that the pair have 'Live Free. Die Free' across their torsos.
"Me and Dad got it and it is just kind of a saying that we came up with together," Dustin explained last year.
"He's been a great support, as has all my family. They have been a big part of getting me here."
Ngati Maru is his extended family's North Island tribe and Matai Whetu is its meeting place.
It's believed others in Martin's family have the tattoo and the inscription was close to the young player's heart.
Martin, who was born in Castlemaine and lives with club president Gary March, joins a long line of football players who have tattoos with indigenous roots, including Hawthorn forward Lance Franklin.
Franklin this year unveiled an Aboriginal-inspired artwork on his left arm.
Richmond teammate Ben Cousins has the phrase 'Such if Life' emblazoned across his lower torso.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-and-father-go-neck-and-neck-in-maori-stakes/story-e6frf9jf-1225885954153
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I can't think of a more painful part of the body to get a tattoo on.
Think a bit more.
:lol
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Seems like a kid with a lot of baggage... :-\ He's undoubtably a tough, hard nosed player but I worry that perhaps this constant need to seek his dad's approval may be a problem later on. I'm sure I'm reading far too much into this but this guy has fast turned into my favourite tiger so I am just waiting for something to happen :help He's going to be the scariest player in the AFL without question!
Heh? Most young blokes look up to their dads and to their heritage when they are establishing their own identity, it isn't 'baggage'. It is just trying to find your place in the world. This is who I am, this is where I come from. And then your write the rest as you go.
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Seems like a kid with a lot of baggage... :-\ He's undoubtably a tough, hard nosed player but I worry that perhaps this constant need to seek his dad's approval may be a problem later on. I'm sure I'm reading far too much into this but this guy has fast turned into my favourite tiger so I am just waiting for something to happen :help He's going to be the scariest player in the AFL without question!
Sorry but your comments here are comical at its best. LMFAO
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I can't think of a more VISIBLE painful part of the body to get a tattoo on.
Think a bit more.
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Seems like a kid with a lot of baggage... :-\ He's undoubtably a tough, hard nosed player but I worry that perhaps this constant need to seek his dad's approval may be a problem later on. I'm sure I'm reading far too much into this but this guy has fast turned into my favourite tiger so I am just waiting for something to happen :help He's going to be the scariest player in the AFL without question!
Sorry but your comments here are comical at its best. LMFAO
Glad to give you a laugh daniel. As I've already said - I'm sure my concerns are unwarranted but he may be a fairly insecure bloke with a desperate need to please his dad which could hinder his career or enhance it depending if this drive him to be successful or holds him back. I'm sure it will be the former.
I'm not trying to knock the bloke in face I think he is already a quality player and could be a star. I'm just voicing my concerns but owls assessment of his motivations is probably correct rather than mine - at least I hope so for our sake.
Stripes
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Dusty on SEN now.
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Brief summary of what Dusty said on SEN...
* Pulls up sore after a game. Need to do all the recovery after each game. Fitness staff continually ask how he is and they have been great.
* Started in the practice matches- just running more and more to get fit. Does now an extra swim and bike which helps a lot.
* Still remembers the build up to the Vic Country vs Vic Metro game last year in the U18. A special day.
* Travelling interstate with Vic Country twice last year really helped with travelling 5 times this year with Richmond. Know a lot what's involved already.
* One of the coaches got him to bounce the ball around the ground before training with his left hand to
* Just likes to get out there and play footy. Mum drives him crazy as she gets excited.
* U10s-U15s - Campbell's Creek (?), U16 Castlemaine, then Juniors then Seniors with Campbelltown in NSW. Missed down here so came back to Castlemaine. Initially missed the Bendigo Pioneers squad. Regrets not staying in Victoria and going through the system fully. Hartford joked imagine if Dusty had stayed in the system given how good he is now anyway.
* Pain threhold for the ink on the neck? 8/10
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* U10s-U15s - Campbell's Creek (?),
No need for a (?) Mr One-Eyed, Campbells Creek is next door to Castlemaine (about 5-10 mins from Castlemaine) ;D
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* U10s-U15s - Campbell's Creek (?),
No need for a (?) Mr One-Eyed, Campbells Creek is next door to Castlemaine (about 5-10 mins from Castlemaine) ;D
Ta WP :thumbsup. They said in the interview it was next to Castlemaine but I wasn't sure if I got the name 100% right.
Here's the audio link for those that missed Dusty's interview
http://sen.com.au/audioplayer/Audio/Dustin-Martin/639
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* U10s-U15s - Campbell's Creek (?),
No need for a (?) Mr One-Eyed, Campbells Creek is next door to Castlemaine (about 5-10 mins from Castlemaine) ;D
Yep. Hardly even a township now but my father was born and raised there on his parent's poultry farm.
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* Pain threhold for the ink on the neck? 8/10
Given he's a tough SOB already, that probably makes it a 12/10 for most people
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Seems like a kid with a lot of baggage... :-\ He's undoubtably a tough, hard nosed player but I worry that perhaps this constant need to seek his dad's approval may be a problem later on. I'm sure I'm reading far too much into this but this guy has fast turned into my favourite tiger so I am just waiting for something to happen :help He's going to be the scariest player in the AFL without question!
Heh? Most young blokes look up to their dads and to their heritage when they are establishing their own identity, it isn't 'baggage'. It is just trying to find your place in the world. This is who I am, this is where I come from. And then your write the rest as you go.
Your right there Owl.
Especially with islanders in general, they are mostly bought up to respect their roots and have loyalty to those who have earned it. I personally think he will stay at Richmond given they gave him his chance at AFL, I would imagine his father is telling him such as well if he trully is loyal to his heritage.
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i love this man.
will be the most hollow rising star winner this year.
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Simply a freak and a star. He made that banana goal under pressure look like a piece of cake. Never looked like missing off the boot. Hopefully we are mindful he is still only 19 and managing his workload carefully as he still has a decade of footy ahead of him. He just laps up the tough hard stuff inside stoppages and doesn't know meaning of the word quit. He's a winner and plays accordingly.
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The passion of the entire group as they work towards something might help us retain the kid.
We need him in Yellow and Black.
He is an out and out gun
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hey Damo, did u go last night ?? if you did , do you sit in aisle 31 ? ;)
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hey Damo, did u go last night ?? if you did , do you sit in aisle 31 ? ;)
I dont know about Damo but i was in aisle 30. :cheers
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Had my say on Martin, if I keep doing it you guys might take me for real ;D
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he is a freaking gun
plays like a man , plays like a seasoned star
has no fear
he better not leave us
makes joel selwoods debut season look average !!!!!
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lol 5 year deal?. :gotigers
Even his celebrations he goes hard he nearly killed Connors after his first goal lol
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Dusty won't leave. We're a young and up and coming side part of a well supported and passionate club which is now winning games and he's getting maximum gametime in the heart of the action.
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he is a freaking gun
plays like a man , plays like a seasoned star
has no fear
he better not leave us
makes joel selwoods debut season look average !!!!!
He won't be going anywhere judging on his obvious bond with the other players and excitment of winning in the yellow and black. I was at the game and watching Dusty celebrate with the other players and coaches, hugging them with pure joy, my brother turned to me and said 'He's not going anywhere'. Hard to argue with that given how well we are going and the passion of the group.
Stripes
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Can Martin still poll RS votes like in the Brownlow?
Could be a bit embarrassing for the AFL and the eventual winner
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He's strong and he's bold
EMMA QUAYLE
August 1, 2010
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Dustin Martin is comfortable in the spotlight. Photo: Craig Sillitoe
BEFORE he was drafted by Richmond late last year, Dustin Martin was boarding a few minutes' drive outside Bendigo with one of his junior teammates and his mother. They lived in a housing estate with new homes springing up everywhere, and as Martin leaned against a tree on a vacant property, having his photo taken for an Age article, a group of men working across the road began giving him a hard time.
They outnumbered him, they weren't particularly nice and they would have prompted many teenage footballers to request an alternative location. But they didn't worry this young man, at all. “They're idiots,” shrugged Martin, tucking a football underneath his arm, looking back at the camera, ignoring them completely and getting on with things. “Who cares about them?”
Not much gets under Dustin Martin's skin. “I don't like traffic …” said the midfielder this week, adding, “… and I hate slow drivers. But that's probably it, I reckon.” Watching the 19-year-old play all but one of Richmond's games this year, it has become clear that not much ruffles him on the field, either. He ranks second at his club for clearances and inside 50s, and third for contested possessions and disposals, and was nominated for the Rising Star Award after the 47-point win against Port Adelaide in round 10.
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Dustin Martin shows off his tatts. Photo: Vince Caligiuri
Shadowed by Brett Kirk for much of the Tigers' round-14 win over Sydney, it was Martin who burst out of a pack late in the game, thumping the ball towards goal — this from a first-year player. Everything that has happened in the past eight months has been new to him. He wanted to play all of his first season, and he has found a way to, but not all of it has been as seamless as it has seemed from the outside.
It was obvious, in the few weeks leading up to the draft, that the Tigers would call Martin's name, but it still had to happen and he still went to bed each night thinking about how much things would suck if, for some reason, he didn't end up at an AFL club.
Moving to Melbourne, he was seriously unsure how he would remember the way to training each day. Waiting to start a pre-season run around the Tan, he felt nervous, hoping he wouldn't post a lousy time. “I thought I knew what it would be like, but everything surprised me, just with how professional it was, all the little things you had to do,” he explained. “I thought it would just be that we'd go to the club, train, and that's it. But you've got meetings, massages, physio, heaps of little things you wouldn't have thought of.”
He might have looked instantly comfortable against some of the competition's best midfielders, but he hasn't always felt that way. “It's still pretty weird, to be honest, playing against any team,” he said. “I still think of how I used to watch some of the players and think of how good they were, how I could never be that good. And then to be playing against them, competing against them and trying to beat them to get the footy, it's the weirdest thing. I like it, though. I like it a lot.”
As a footballer, Martin has been trying to get better every day. In training sessions, he reminds himself to ask not only why he has done something wrong, but what he has done right. At a stoppage during his round-one debut against Carlton, he paused for a moment, watching the ball, then looked for his opponent and saw him metres and metres away, running into the Blues' forward line. “I couldn't believe it. I just couldn't believe how fast the game was, how quick the players were. I had this problem with my defensive side — and I still do it a little bit — where I was watching the ball more than I should have been,” he said.
“Sometimes I just sort of sit there and watch where the ball's going, and all of sudden my man's down the other end of the ground and I'm chasing him. It's not like you can just go out there and play footy, in the AFL. You can at times, but you've to remember game plans, structures and all those things. There's a lot more to think about, but I think I'm getting better. Now I'm a bit more aware about what's going on around me. I still watch the footy a bit, but I think I do it less. That's what I had to do, switch on a bit quicker, jump onto things. I've improved a bit each week, I reckon.”
In other ways, Martin has tried not to move too far, too fast. As a teenager, he dropped out of his Castlemaine high school at the end of year nine, a decision he regrets now, but understands. “I was always keen to play AFL and I'd played in a schoolboys team and that sort of thing, but I started hanging out with blokes who weren't that interested in footy and who were kind of dragging me away from it a bit. Or, not dragging me away, but who probably just weren't such a good influence,” he said.
His father, Shane, made him move to Sydney and put him to work at his transport company, where Martin worked on the computer in the back office and loaded trucks. At Campbelltown, he played football alongside a few kids signed to NSW scholarships, and realised he should be able to play AFL too, if he wanted to.
He was away from home, he had no friends and he was working long, boring days. He was ready to go back, and he went back with more purpose. “I was just wasting my time, wasting my life up there,” said Martin, who made the Bendigo under-18 side four rounds into last year and by the end of the season was a No. 3 draft pick. “It was just, 'what am I doing with my life?' My dad was saying to me, 'These mates are no good for you' and all I was saying was, 'Yeah, whatever'. I wasn't going to school, I wasn't doing anything good with my time. He got me up there and it made me realise that I wasn't really going anywhere. I was working 12 hours a day, in a crappy job, and I didn't want to do that for however many years, for the rest of my life. There was no point in me being there, so I pretty much knew that I had to knuckle down.”
Martin grew up quickly, but he has, in his words, “sort of settled back down”. He moved in with a host family after the draft, then out to Altona with teammates Jayden Post and Ben Nason. He thought it was what he wanted to do, but he quickly realised that being independent meant cooking, and cleaning, and all those annoying things. From there, he moved in with club president Gary March and his family.
"I realised I wanted to just have a family around me again. I don't know what it is, it's just going home and having people there, I guess, sitting down to dinner with a family. It's been a much better thing for me, but we joke about it a bit. The boys were probably happy I went. I can be a little bit messy.”
He also has, he said, one more pet hate for the list. “Jayden Post's cooking. It's pretty bad. Can you add that in?”
Martin is learning more and more about footy — and about life — each day. “I've learnt a lot about life, I reckon,” he said. “Like how good it is to have a routine, to have a bit of purpose with what you do. How important it is, if you're doing something, to do it properly.” He is looking forward to the next month, to complete his plans to play an (almost) full first season.
“It feels like I've been here for ages already, but I'm still loving it every day,” he said. “I never wake up and wish I didn't have to train. I just love doing everything. When you're with the boys after the game, singing the song, it's so good. Even when you walk out of the ground, walk down Punt Road after a game with all the supporters, it's a pretty awesome feeling. It's been a good year, so far. It's been a really good year.”
TALE OF THE TATTS
DUSTIN Martin had his neck tattooed in June, returning from the mid-season break with two Maori phrases - Ngati Maru and Matai Whetu - on either side of his neck. He and father Shane also have an identical tattoo, "Live Free. Die Free" across their stomachs.
Ngati Maru, said Martin, represents his father's "bloodlines", while Matai Whetu is his family's traditional meeting place. "It's just about my heritage. It's something I'd wanted to get done for a while," he said. "Some spots weren't too bad, but other bits just killed."
RISING FAST
(Stats for Rising Star nominees after round 17)
Disposals (ave)
1 Tom Rockliff (BL, 14 games) 22.1
2 Jordan Gysberts (Melb, 3) 21
3 Tom Scully (Melb, 16) 20.4
=4 Dustin Martin (Rich, 16) 20.3
=4 Jack Trengove (Melb, 14) 20.3
Disposal efficiency
1 Phil Davis (Adel, 12 games) 83.4%
2 Ben Reid (Coll, 14) 78.9%
3 Ben Stratton (Haw, 15) 77.7%
4 Jarrad Grant (WB, 13) 75.3%
5 Tom Rockliff (BL, 14) 73.2%
(Martin 70.2%)
Contested possessions (ave)
=1 Dustin Martin (Rich, 16 games) 8.4
=1 Nic Naitanui (WC, 17) 8.4
3 Jordan Gysberts (Melb, 3) 8
4 Dan Hannebery (Syd, 15) 7.6
5 Jack Trengove (Melb, 14) 7
Clearances
1 Dustin Martin (Rich, 16 games) 4.8
2 Nic Naitanui (WC, 17) 3.8
3 Ryan Bastinac (NM, 17) 2.9
=4 Jack Trengove (Melb, 14) 2.9
=4 Jordan Gysberts (Melb, 3) 2.9
Tackles
1 Jack Redden (BL, 17 games) 5.7
2 Jack Trengove (Melb, 14) 3.9
3 Tom Scully (Melb, 16) 3.7
4 Todd Banfi eld (BL, 17) 3.5
5 Dustin Martin (Rich, 16) 3.4
Inside 50s
1 Dustin Martin (Rich, 16 games) 3.7
2 Todd Banfi eld (BL, 17) 3.5
3 Jack Redden (BL, 17) 3.4
4 Nat Fyfe (Freo, 12) 3.3
5 Ryan Bastinac (NM, 17) 2.9
Marks
=1 Ben Reid (Coll, 14 games) 5.4
=1 Tom Rockliff (BL, 14) 5.4
=1 Ben Stratton (Haw, 15) 5.4
=1 Jack Redden (BL, 17) 5.4
=1 Phil Davis (Adel, 12) 5.4
=1 Jarrad Grant (WB, 13) 5.4
(Martin 2.1)
STATS: CHAMPION DATA
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/hes-strong-and-hes-bold-20100731-110mz.html
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GUN
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Emma Quayle sets a standard in her work that many other so called sports journalists should take note of.
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Emma Quayle sets a standard in her work that many other so called sports journalists should take note of.
exactly!
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He's also tough and rough
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Did Dusty drop the 'F' bomb in the interview with Colby on the ground?
Needs some media work as he didn't have the ready made cliches!
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Caro mentioned earlier tonight on 3aw that Cousins has told people at Richmond that Martin is the best first year player he's ever played alongside.
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Can Martin still poll RS votes like in the Brownlow?
Could be a bit embarrassing for the AFL and the eventual winner
no kb said he will get no votes at all
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Caro mentioned earlier tonight on 3aw that Cousins has told people at Richmond that Martin is the best first year player he's ever played alongside.
thats cos dusty is
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The Herald-Sun are obsessed with footballers' tattoos especially Dusty's :yawn.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/08/03/1225900/766714-dustin-martin.jpg)
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Hardwick: Martin the best youngster
sen.com.au
5-8-2010
Dustin Martin has produced one of the best first seasons seen by a player in AFL history.
That was the verdict of Richmond coach Damien Hardwick on Thursday as the Tigers and Martin prepared to face a Melbourne side chock-full of some of the game's most exciting young talent, at the MCG on Sunday.
Martin, the No.3 pick in last year's national draft, will come up against the two players taken immediately ahead of him in what was a stellar crop of 2009 draftees, in Melbourne pair Tom Scully and Jack Trengove.
However, while Martin is ineligible to win this year's AFL Rising Star Award - after accepting a reprimand for collecting Sydney's Josh Kennedy with a front-on bump in Round 3 - Hardwick has no doubt that if not for that incident, his young gun would be acclaimed the league's best young player this season.
"I think you would struggle to see a better first season," he said of Martin, prior to Richmond's training session at Victoria Park on Thursday.
Martin has burst onto the scene like a seasoned player, not only averaging more than 20 disposals per game while playing 17 of the 18 matches to date, but also impressing with his ability to win the contested ball - an area first year players traditionally struggle in, given their lack of size compared to older players.
"He is elite in a lot of areas," Hardwick said of Martin.
"He is elite in his ability to win the ball and he is a great clearance player and he is going to be a very good player for our club for a long time."
And Hardwick says that while Martin can consider himself unlucky to be ineligible to win the Rising Star Award - an award he surely would have won - he said that would not worry the 19-year-old in the slightest.
"It's an individual award and if you go and ask Dusty whether he wins it or not, he probably doesn’t mind as long as he is playing good footy for the Richmond Football Club and we are winning games."
Hardwick said Martin had also been helped considerably in his first season by the steadying advice and influence of veteran Ben Cousins - one of the AFL's best midfielders of the past decade, who has acted as a mentor for Martin throughout the season.
However despite Cousins' positive influence on the Tigers' young group and his own stellar form of recent weeks, Hardwick said the club was still no closer to deciding on whether to offer Cousins a new deal to continue his career in 2011.
http://sen.com.au/display-article/Hardwick-Martin-the-best-youngster/13212
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This is why cuz needs to play on next year.
One more year.
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(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs215.snc4/39079_422713823275_298686323275_4627817_7691170_n.jpg)
Take that Jeromey!!
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great pick
look the boys watching , their facial expressions say it all
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great pick
look the boys watching , their facial expressions say it all
O'Rielly is thinking 'i'm not tackling that thing!' :lol
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lol Dusty looks like he's enjoying himself. ;D There's the "trademark" for you Bruce!
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TM, hows Butcher going you old sage?
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TM, hows Butcher going you old sage?
Probably as good as you playing with Clokes dick at Eastern Ranges liar ;D
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He looks like he's about to pick him up by the torso and throw him out of the way :thumbsup
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TM, hows Butcher going you old sage?
Probably as good as you playing with Clokes dick at Eastern Ranges liar ;D
Lol you're pathetic. You're knowledge in every area of football has the credibility of a dead fish. Come up with something new instead of primary school insults for a change..
I love your poor assumptions, keep embarrassing yourself.
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TM, hows Butcher going you old sage?
Probably as good as you playing with Clokes dick at Eastern Ranges liar ;D
Lol you're pathetic. You're knowledge in every area of football has the credibility of a dead fish. Come up with something new instead of primary school insults for a change..
I love your poor assumptions, keep embarrassing yourself.
You also never answered the question? How's your best mate John Butcher going?
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TM, hows Butcher going you old sage?
Probably as good as you playing with Clokes dick at Eastern Ranges liar ;D
Lol you're pathetic. You're knowledge in every area of football has the credibility of a dead fish. Come up with something new instead of primary school insults for a change..
I love your poor assumptions, keep embarrassing yourself.
You also never answered the question? How's your best mate John Butcher going?
::)
probably done a sub lax like Griffiths hahaah so much for your football knowledge liar little boy
Put up or shut up
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Enough with the insults!
This thread is to discuss Dustin Martin. Stick to the topic!
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Monk vs Pope, Ramps vs GB ... afew more stoushes and we could have online wrestlemania ;D
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TM, hows Butcher going you old sage?
Probably as good as you playing with Clokes dick at Eastern Ranges liar ;D
Lol you're pathetic. You're knowledge in every area of football has the credibility of a dead fish. Come up with something new instead of primary school insults for a change..
I love your poor assumptions, keep embarrassing yourself.
You also never answered the question? How's your best mate John Butcher going?
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probably done a sub lax like Griffiths hahaah so much for your football knowledge liar little boy
Put up or shut up
You still don't make any sense and still haven't answered the question?
If you re-read my post about the sub lax I said "Hope its not serious and just a sub lax", so once again you're incorrect.
Just for once try and a) get it right and b) get it within the rules of the forum.
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no more from you idiot
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Enough with the insults!
This thread is to discuss Dustin Martin. Stick to the topic!
dustin who lol
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im sure the announcement isnt faraway. :thumbsup
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im sure the announcement isnt faraway. :thumbsup
2013 or 2014?
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im sure the announcement isnt faraway. :thumbsup
Announce the glamour re-signings and then do the dirty work of telling those no longer required.
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Announce the glamour re-signings and then do the dirty work of telling those no longer required.
We don't have to announce the delistings until Oct 31. While those on the chop would know their time is up you wouldn't announce it publicly before trade week.
im sure the announcement isnt faraway. :thumbsup
I've heard it'll be till 2014. A further 3 years on top of his existing 2-year contract. No idea of dollars though except you'd expect it to be far far more than the standard draftee contract he's on now. It wouldn't surprise me if we forward load the new deal with the salary cap room we have so we can keep this young group together long-term.
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Gary March said there'd be good news in a couple of weeks regarding re-signings. Mark Robinson said Martin's re-signing will be announced this week (Robbo writing an article about it).
:thumbsup
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:pray :thumbsup
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Mark Robinson believes Dusty will be $350k-400k.
I only heard it in the background but Craig Cameron said something about 5 year contracts isn't something we'd look at.
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Mark Robinson believes Dusty will be $350k-400k.
I only heard it in the background but Craig Cameron said something about 5 year contracts isn't something we'd look at.
6 year contract
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Richmond bullish about retaining Martin
Jon Pierik
August 22, 2010
Tiger Dustin Martin is set to remain in the yellow and black. Photo: Sebastian Costanzo
BOOM Richmond youngster Dustin Martin is poised to ignore interstate overtures and sign a contract extension with the Tigers.
The Tigers began negotiations with player manager Ricky Nixon earlier this year after Martin, having impressed in his opening six matches, emerged as a target of the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney.
Martin, the No. 3 pick in last year's national draft, is contracted until the end of 2011 on a base salary of $57,300, plus match payments of $2800.
Tigers president Gary March yesterday suggested a new deal could be announced as early as this week.
''There will be some good news in the next couple of weeks about our re-signings,'' he said.
Martin said mid-year he wanted to remain a Tiger. The new deal could reap the 19-year-old more than $300,000 per season.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-bullish-about-retaining-martin-20100821-139y1.html
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Matty Lloyd's thoughts on Martin.....
I have sung Dustin Martin's praises all year and as the Tigers become a force in coming years, I see Martin having the influence of a Luke Hodge. Martin - ineligible to win the Rising Star - is beautifully skilled, but uncompromising in his attack on the ball and the man, and I can see him making big plays in big games when his team needs someone to stand tall.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-superstars-make-way-for-the-rising-stars-20100828-13wwq.html
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watched teh NAB rising star but i jumped up in the air when he said money wasent a priority for me and i think i will be a tiger for life :gotigers
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Dusty came second in the best first year player award at tonight's AFLPA's MVP awards night.....
Fremantle’s Michael Barlow was a runaway winner of the Best First Year Player Award, polling 442 votes. Dustin Martin (129) and Tom Scully (49) trailed him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102102/default.aspx
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Dusty came second in the best first year player award at tonight's AFLPA's MVP awards night.....
Fremantle’s Michael Barlow was a runaway winner of the Best First Year Player Award, polling 442 votes. Dustin Martin (129) and Tom Scully (49) trailed him.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102102/default.aspx
Good result.
There is less pressure on the young man IMHO not winning this or the Rising Star.
:thumbsup
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I would like to see Dustin do some media training in the foreseable future, he is going to need it.
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I would like to see Dustin do some media training in the foreseable future, he is going to need it.
He could attend with Dane Swan - not exactly God's answer to public speaking after watching him last night! :)
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I would like to see Dustin do some media training in the foreseable future, he is going to need it.
Great avatar mate - now what were you saying :o ;)
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I'd prefer Marto be left to let his on-field performances do the talking for him. They say more than enough.
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Dustin Martin (129) and Tom Scully (49) trailed him.
Where's Hanneberry?
Dusty was robbed.
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Dustin Martin (129) and Tom Scully (49) trailed him.
Where's Hanneberry?
Dusty was robbed.
Wasn't a first year player, he was drafted in 2008
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Wasn't a first year player, he was drafted in 2008
Good point. ;D
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DUSTIN SHAFTED
# Jon Ralph
# From: Herald Sun
# September 10, 2010 12:12PM
DON'T expect a change to the criteria for eligibility for the AFL Rising Star and Brownlow Medal any time soon.
Richmond's Dustin Martin was desperately unlucky to miss out on the Rising Star award, all because he did the team thing and accepted a 90-odd point reprimand early on in the season.
He had no choice - if he took it on at the tribunal and lost he would be seen to be selfish.
But because the base charge was over 100 points he was ineligible, as are players for the Brownlow Medal.
The AFL system virtually forced players to accept early pleas.
Most players only take on charges if they are not risking an extra week's suspension.
But the AFLPA says its constituents have bigger fish to fry - they want to introduce the use of precedents - and are unlikely to challenge the rules this year.
Sooner or later a player will lose the Brownlow Medal for a minor offence that should have been cleared by the match review panel.
But because the system forces players to accept their penalties, there is the distinct possibility it could all end in tears.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-buzz-take-a-pay-cut-fev/story-e6frf9jf-1225914748147
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Brownlow haul caps Martin’s debut
richmondfc.com.au
By Adrian Ceddia
Tue 21 Sep, 2010
Richmond young gun Dustin Martin can add another impressive statistic to his achievements in his first year of football, after last night’s Brownlow Medal count.
The 19-year-old polled six votes in the Brownlow in his debut season - the most by a Richmond player in his first season since Craig Lambert in 1988.
Lambert, who played 123 games for the Tigers before moving to Brisbane, polled 10 votes in that year.
In this year’s count, Martin’s votes came against West Coast in Round 12 (one), Brisbane in Round 13 (two), Fremantle in Round 15 (two) and Adelaide in Round 18 (one).
Martin (6), Daniel Connors (3) and Mitch Morton (1) received Brownlow votes for the first time in their careers.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/102962/default.aspx
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Did he get the most out of all the first year players from any club?
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Hannaberry got 9 I believe, 3 BOG
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Hannebery got 9 votes (3 x 3).
Edit: Sorry CV, beat me to it!
Edit #2: Barlow got 12 (2 x 3, 3 x 2).
Edit # 3: As Wayne said, Hannebery was a 2nd year player.
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Dustin polled in more games though. 4
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Hannaberry got 9 I believe, 3 BOG
He wasn't a first year player though.
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Age today saying we were forced to "pay through the nose" to keep Martin away from GWS' clutches.....
Richmond was the club that first identified how a lowly club was vulnerable to expansion cradle snatching. The Tigers were sufficiently concerned about Dustin Martin's exposure to market forces (having a dad based in GWS territory) that they went to Andrew Demetriou to plead their case; they signed him soon afterwards. But they paid through the nose.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-erred-in-concessions-as-the-lure-of-money-may-be-too-much-20101206-18mu3.html
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We should be after Scully ourselves based on that article.
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We should be after Scully ourselves based on that article.
DOn't think so Flagman
Based on that article he wont be going anywhere
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i wouldnt say we paid through the nose , if media reports were correct he would be on 400k or so in 3Yr of contract, all things being equal his stadning in the club would dictate that value in any case...
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Walls gave Martin kick of the week on One Week At A Time tonight for his perfectly weighted long kick on the run from the Southern stand wing which was deliberately off the outside of his right foot so it went back inside to Jack's advantage inside 50.
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No second year blues for Dusty :bow
26 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks and 4 goals :thumbsup
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he's doing really well, has lifted a notch or two and is really confident in the front half and overhead...my only worry lasty year was could he improve any further, YES he can :gotigers
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No second year blues for Dusty :bow
26 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks and 4 goals :thumbsup
and a goal that make Alan shearer proud from the nahas cross. :cheers
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So when do the Dees start copping flack???
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So when do the Dees start copping flack???
who cares. 8)
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So when do the Dees start copping flack???
who cares. 8)
:thumbsup
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Playing far better than another famous #3 draft pick at the same stage of his career
Dead set gun
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Kicking multiple goals simply outstanding. Getting the footy lots. If he could just eradicate the 10% of his kicks that he shanks from time to time then he'd be unstoppable.
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Could end up the player of the 2009 draft. Reminded me a little of another famous No 4, Royce Hart, when he was playing around CHF today. Maybe not quite as flashy but the kid has presence, strength and is a natural footballer.
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Playing far better than another famous #3 draft pick at the same stage of his career
Dead set gun
Incredible game from a 19 yo kid who plays the game hard - not because of where his from but who he is. Full of crap? You are trademark fool.
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Love how he looks at forward line / full forward. Like a bull.
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Love how he looks at forward line / full forward. Like a bull.
His forward pressure is brilliant.
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one word
unbelievable
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Playing far better than another famous #3 draft pick at the same stage of his career
Dead set gun
Incredible game from a 19 yo kid who plays the game hard - not because of where his from but who he is. Full of crap? You are trademark fool.
Huh?!?
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I didn't get it either. Perhaps he's not talking to you. Maybe it's a poor quote? :-\
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Mmmmm, ok... :help
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How good is the Dusty trademark fend off 8)
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Playing far better than another famous #3 draft pick at the same stage of his career
Dead set gun
Incredible game from a 19 yo kid who plays the game hard - not because of where his from but who he is. Full of crap? You are trademark fool.
Huh?!?
Infamy, sorry totally agree with your post. Comment directed at the guy who thinks he's clever for trademarking a random collection of brackets on a keyboard. I'm personally shattered he beat me to it - it seems like a fantastic money making initiative. I'm going to trademark my next dump.
He also thinks it's relevant to refer to the fact he is Maori?
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What a ledge, this guy stays with us! The new Jack D :thumbsup
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How good is the Dusty trademark fend off 8)
They are beauties aren't they sabar :thumbsup. 19 years old and he's pushing more senior opponent out the way like they are made of thin air :bow.
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Dimma on Dusty's game...
"He's a good player. He's had a terrific season (including nine goals)," Hardwick enthused.
"Just his work in and around stoppages. The contested-possession rate in games with the substitute rule has increased and it's bringing guys like Dustin back into the game.
"He was very very good tonight. He led from the front and some of those goals he managed to create and also kick, it was a terrific result for us."
Hardwick said Martin's 26th game for the Tigers was his best so far.
"Scoreboard-wise and probably possession-wise as well," he said.
"Just what he did with the ball."
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/martin-fires-tigers-to-win-over-north-20110424-1dsxg.html
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this kid will be our greatest mid fielder/forward ever.
Strength and poise of carey,a raking,accurate field kick like leon cameron and the ability to find space like judd as well as Maori pedigree for that dose of genuine hardness.
Brownlow one day = 100%
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this kid will be our greatest mid fielder/forward ever.
Strength and poise of carey,a raking,accurate field kick like leon cameron and the ability to find space like judd as well as Maori pedigree for that dose of genuine hardness.
Brownlow one day = 100%
i second that
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this kid will be our greatest mid fielder/forward ever.
Strength and poise of carey,a raking,accurate field kick like leon cameron and the ability to find space like judd as well as Maori pedigree for that dose of genuine hardness.
Brownlow one day = 100%
He'll be the next Richmond legend...and in the all-time top 5
Titus
Dyer
Hart
Richardson
Martin
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Foley talking about Martin.....
"Dusty was amazing. To go forward and kick four goals, have 30 touches and even some of his clearance work was exceptional," Foley told Fox Sports News.
"It certainly was an amazing game.
"He is incredibly strong. Since day one when he first came to the club he's been a strong young footballer.
"He has outmuscled a number blokes who are bigger than him, put out a few don't argues and there's not too many people who can tackle him or beat him one on one."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/richmond-midfielder-dustin-martin-shapes-as-the-key-man-in-the-tigers-hopeful-rise-up-the-afl-ladder/story-e6frf3e3-1226044390844
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as good as he is ,and he is good ,hes got quite away to go to emulate the legends of the past...Lets enjoy his football ,and let the legend stuff take care of itself
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I am mate......
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The media can't talk about Dusty without spending half the time talking about his tatts :yawn. I laughed at the caller who said "you never saw Don Bradman inked up like the footballers today" :wallywink :lol.
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How good is the Dusty trademark fend off 8)
Reminds me of watching Jack Dyer Play :thumbsup
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How good is the Dusty trademark fend off 8)
Reminds me of watching Jack Dyer Play :thumbsup
Half your luck. :santa
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You'll be getting all frisky soon, Mopsy. :P
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Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
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Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
Jeez, not so sure about that
Conca still needs to work on some bad disposal issues, sells teammates into trouble a bit too often
Plenty to work with, but no where near Martin's level
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conca will be a jet also no doubt
how are dermies comments, what a tosser, he reckons martin wont get any better and will actually become a slow plodder lol
dermie is a tool
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The same dermi who said, after their grand final win in 08, he looked forward to seeing hawthorn and geelong battle it out in the next 3-4 grand finals :lol
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yep thats him, think the botox leaked into his pee wee brain
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The same Dermie that said Travis Tuck would win 3 B&F's at the Hawks?
:lol
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Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
your taking the pee surely? are you? I guess thats your opinion
Conca had a good game but still not sold on some parts of his game. His only 5 games in though
One thing he does seem to have is poise and time when he has the ball in his hands.
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Martin adding strings to bow
richmondfc.com.au
By Murray Belkin
Mon 25 Apr, 2011
RICHMOND midfielder Dustin Martin believes the new substitute rule has added another dimension to his game after the 19-year old played a key role, not only through the midfield, but also up forward in the Tigers first win of the season.
"Instead of coming off, I can go down forward for a while, have a rest and just try and play my role down there. We have a lot of midfielders who can run through that position so it is very good," he told richmondfc.com.au.
Full article at:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/112342/default.aspx
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Don't argues
Dustin Martin said hello and goodbye to about 10 Kangaroos yesterday. Yesterday, Martin went body-on-body with one of the strongest upper-body players in the league, Michael Firrito, and ragged-dolled him several times. Two weeks back, Martin ''don't argued'' an entire pack of players. Hint: When someone argues Martin is the best young player to come to the Tigers in 20 years, well, don't argue back.
Dustin Martin said in his first interview - "I was born to play AFL" - and we can't argue with that. Supreme ... and his kicking a delight.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tackle
:thumbsup
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You'll be getting all frisky soon, Mopsy. :P
Not likely Fishy, all that I have left are my memories
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Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
Jeez, not so sure about that
Conca still needs to work on some bad disposal issues, sells teammates into trouble a bit too often
Plenty to work with, but no where near Martin's level
Yeah I know he is a fair bit off Dusty but I just like what I see for someone that has played only 5 games, got a feeling on this one.
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Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
Jeez, not so sure about that
Conca still needs to work on some bad disposal issues, sells teammates into trouble a bit too often
Plenty to work with, but no where near Martin's level
Yeah I know he is a fair bit off Dusty but I just like what I see for someone that has played only 5 games, got a feeling on this one.
I reckon I know what you are talking about CUB.
Apart from Dusty's don't argue, what did Martin have that Conc's doesn't have after 5 games.
Agree he sells some players into trouble at times and he does stuff up the odd disposal but I think he's still adjusting to the pace of the game. (Frankly I've seen a few doozies from Martin this year too.)
He's got a cool head and can think his way out of traffic the way the really good players can, and when he gets his disposal right he's creative and very accurate. Hate comparing players with other players so I won't, but I think we're going to be happy with Reece.
Be interesting to look at Concs 5 games into next season, with 20 odd games more experience and another pre season under his belt.
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Martin set to rival AFL greats, says Lyon
By Tim Clarke
SportsNewsFirst
26 April 2011 11:06AM EST
RICHMOND’s burgeoning superstar Dustin Martin is already on the way to becoming one of the best draft picks of the past ten years, according to AFL legend Garry Lyon.
After a match-winning turn against North Melbourne over the Easter weekend – which featured 33 disposals and four goals – Martin’s reputation as one of the brightest aspects of the Tigers’ future was hugely enhanced.
And just 26 AFL games into an AFL career, during which he has already finished fourth in the Richmond best-and-fairest, Lyon said the tattooed youngster should already be inked in as one of the very best selections of the last decade.
“Dustin Martin’s performance for me elevates him into the best top (draft) picks in the last ten years,” Lyon said.
“It puts him in the Selwood, (Scott) Pendlebury, (Dale) Thomas category for me – he wins contested footy, he wins clearances, he goes forward now which is the other dimension.
“He can mark above his head, he has got these uncanny ball skills, and then he kicks goals that you don’t teach.
“Dustin Martin is someone I would pay very good money to watch play footy."
Martin’s electric start to the season came after a pre-season which included an old-fashioned dressing down from coach Damien Hardwick for Martin’s post-holiday conditioning.
But having taken the criticism on board, Martin is already on his way to the same level as Geelong’s former Rising Star and captain-in-waiting Joel Selwood according to the former Melbourne great.
“33 disposals, four goals on its own stacks up – he got 12 in the defensive 50, got 12 in the midfield, he got nine in the forward 50 so that is the complete performance,” Lyon told radio Triple M.
“And he is only two years out of under-18 football.
“He has got everything you want in a footballer, a warrior type mentality, he does not shirk an issue – and then chuck in the poise and the classy finishes.
“He is going to get to a Selwood category – and he is playing in a side that has battled.
“The thing he does that Joel won’t be able to do – he could hold down a centre Half forward in the modern era.”
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/04/26/martin-set-to-rival-afl-greats-says-lyon/
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All this praise and adulation. The club should keep that photographer (Dodge I think) away from him this week or he'll probably have a shocker against the bears.
I hope he backs up again this week though. :pray
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Eff off Garry. After sinking the boots in for the past 10 years, you can find yourself a non-Richmond hero.
He's ours, and you, along with all the other Richmond bashers can stick it. Now that you need us, we don't need you.
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Conca looks solid and had a lot of poise.
I doubt he will get to the same class as Martin.
Maybe
Martin = voss
conca = luke power
Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
Jeez, not so sure about that
Conca still needs to work on some bad disposal issues, sells teammates into trouble a bit too often
Plenty to work with, but no where near Martin's level
Yeah I know he is a fair bit off Dusty but I just like what I see for someone that has played only 5 games, got a feeling on this one.
I reckon I know what you are talking about CUB.
Apart from Dusty's don't argue, what did Martin have that Conc's doesn't have after 5 games.
Agree he sells some players into trouble at times and he does stuff up the odd disposal but I think he's still adjusting to the pace of the game. (Frankly I've seen a few doozies from Martin this year too.)
He's got a cool head and can think his way out of traffic the way the really good players can, and when he gets his disposal right he's creative and very accurate. Hate comparing players with other players so I won't, but I think we're going to be happy with Reece.
Be interesting to look at Concs 5 games into next season, with 20 odd games more experience and another pre season under his belt.
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Conca looks solid and had a lot of poise.
I doubt he will get to the same class as Martin.
Maybe
Martin = voss
conca = luke power
Teel ya what though Conca is right on his hammer in my books.
Jeez, not so sure about that
Conca still needs to work on some bad disposal issues, sells teammates into trouble a bit too often
Plenty to work with, but no where near Martin's level
Yeah I know he is a fair bit off Dusty but I just like what I see for someone that has played only 5 games, got a feeling on this one.
I reckon I know what you are talking about CUB.
Apart from Dusty's don't argue, what did Martin have that Conc's doesn't have after 5 games.
Agree he sells some players into trouble at times and he does stuff up the odd disposal but I think he's still adjusting to the pace of the game. (Frankly I've seen a few doozies from Martin this year too.)
He's got a cool head and can think his way out of traffic the way the really good players can, and when he gets his disposal right he's creative and very accurate. Hate comparing players with other players so I won't, but I think we're going to be happy with Reece.
Be interesting to look at Concs 5 games into next season, with 20 odd games more experience and another pre season under his belt.
i would say
cotchin = voss
conca = simon black
martin a cross b/w voss and brown
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Someone please ask Tigermonk does is he still emotional distraught over drafting Martin ahead of John Butcher. (Who still hasn't debuted yet, surely after a loss to GC he has to get a game...)
Dustin Martin is a gun .
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Eff off Garry. After sinking the boots in for the past 10 years, you can find yourself a non-Richmond hero.
He's ours, and you, along with all the other Richmond bashers can stick it. Now that you need us, we don't need you.
Amen to that. :thumbsup
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Snip = AGAIN :banghead :banghead
Enough with the personal sniping and insults
Keep it off the forum
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Martin = voss
conca = luke power
I' say Dusty has more Lethal Leigh about him than anyone else at the lions at that time.
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Eff off Garry. After sinking the boots in for the past 10 years, you can find yourself a non-Richmond hero.
He's ours, and you, along with all the other Richmond bashers can stick it. Now that you need us, we don't need you.
Exactly. And who the stuff rates anything Garry stuffing Lyon has to say these days? Spends more time in drag than watching football.
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Sam Wright in the background enjoying some of Dusty's work ;D
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/113133989.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892140FEB0FF7845C57DB12780E159E11702663B0230E7BDD0AFDDFF2D4DAFE0CCDD)
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Anyone heard the one about Dusty's neck tatts?
Apparently they say "If you can read this, I just put my arm through your chest"
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Go shovel some your nose Lyon.
effing dog rat!
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After Martin's game on Sunday i've read a few times, 'Martin looks a superstar, about time Richmond got one right....' :o
Jack at #13 and Cotch at #2 go alright as well.
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Dustin Martin is a very impressive young footballer.
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Caro, Healy and Russell are on 3aw now trying to think of former players that Dusty reminds them off. Caro mentioned Riccuito while a couple of callers said Leigh Matthews and Darren Millane.
Healy thought he was unique - a raw individual with polish; everyone knows he'll go the fend off but no one can stop it.
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Go shovel some more gak into your nose Lyon.
effing dog rat!
Darn right! Effing powder carver....
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I'm glad they couldn't think of a comparison. Let Dusty make his own name and hopefully the media will be comparing others to him in time :thumbsup.
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Tell us something we don't know Lyon.
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Caro, Healy and Russell are on 3aw now trying to think of former players that Dusty reminds them off. Caro mentioned Riccuito while a couple of callers said Leigh Matthews and Darren Millane.
Healy thought he was unique - a raw individual with polish; everyone knows he'll go the fend off but no one can stop it.
not dissimilar to riccuito.
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Lets just hope that Dustin can keep his head with all this adulation and the expectation that this brings with it, this will be his biggest mental test to date. Club really needs to support him and help him through this period the same way they are handling Jack through it now.
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The media are on the Dusty bandwagon big time....
Richmond cub Dustin Martin's all-out attack on elite status
Mark Stevens
From: Herald Sun
April 28, 2011
RISING Richmond star Dustin Martin is challenging Hawthorn's Lance Franklin as the most devastating player in the AFL.
The statement is not opinion, but based on statistics from the first five weeks of the season.
Martin has had an involvement in 34.7 per cent of the Tigers' scores, behind only Franklin's 35.2 per cent strike-rate at Hawthorn.
Gary Ablett is third on the list with a 33.9 per cent contribution at the Gold Coast Suns, highlighting Martin's surge into the league's stratosphere.
Score involvement stats are the strongest indicator of a player's value.
And 19-year-old Martin's touches are turning to scoreboard gold.
He had a hand in 14 of Richmond's 27 scores in Sunday's nine-point victory against North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium.
Former Sydney coach Paul Roos, who witnessed Martin's heroics against North, said last night: "For a second-year player, it was a bloody good effort".
"He's outstanding. He was the most influential player on the ground, no doubt," Roos said.
"He kicked goals and he created them. He kept Richmond in the game and then they were able to get a run on."
Former Melbourne champion Garry Lyon lavished Martin with praise, likening him to Geelong superstar Joel Selwood.
"He's a big boy. A big strong body. He's got everything you want in a footy player. He's got a warrior-type competitive mentality," Lyon told Triple M.
"He does all that sort of stuff, then chuck the poise and classy finishing on top of it.
"He is going to get to Selwood category. I can't give him too much greater praise."
Martin, the No.3 pick in the 2009 draft behind Melbourne pair Tom Scully and Jack Trengove, has kicked nine goals from five matches as a midfielder pushing forward.
Martin has been involved in 41 of 118 Richmond scoring shots this year - eight more than any other Tiger.
Champion Data senior analyst Glenn Luff described the definition of a "score involvement": "It is the number of times a player has a disposal, hitout or knock-on in an unbroken chain that results in a score."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-cub-dustin-martins-all-out-attack-on-elite-status/story-e6frf9jf-1226045887508
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Yet despite 33 touches, 4 goals, all this praise from the media and being touted by some as the single most influential player right across the competition last weekend, he inexplicably didn't win a Rising Star nomination. Surely he's still eligible? Anti-Richmond bias??
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Too many games to get a Rising Star nomination. Had to have played less than 10 games last season.
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the only thing i care about dustin martin winning is a couple of premiership medallions - as long as it is in tiger colors
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the only thing i care about dustin martin winning is a couple of premiership medallions - as long as it is in tiger colors
Spot on Al. :thumbsup
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the only thing i care about dustin martin winning is a couple of premiership medallions - as long as it is in tiger colors
Dead right, plus a brownlow :o
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he inexplicably didn't win a Rising Star nomination. Surely he's still eligible? Anti-Richmond bias??
Anti Richmond bias :lol :lol you've got to be joking
Can't get a nomination in 2011 because he is no longer eligible :thumbsup
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Yep once you've played more than 10 AFL games prior to a season you become ineligible for the Rising Star. Still he would won it last year if it wasn't for a soft technical report :scream.
The guy from Champion Data is on SEN now and said Martin isn't far off Judd in terms of the various stats they look at. So they are calling Dusty elite at 19.
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The Club is auctioning Martin's jumper he wore in round 5
https://secure.auctiondesq.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=item&auctionid=24696&orgid=1751
Current bid is $720
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A champion in the making
Jake Niall
April 30, 2011
WHEN 19-year-old Dustin Martin extended his arm and shoved North's robust defender Michael Firrito backwards in a textbook execution of the ''don't argue'' last Sunday, former Richmond coach Danny Frawley was struck by the similarity between Martin and another powerful and highly accomplished midfielder from the recent past.
The player that came to Frawley's mind wasn't any famed Tiger of old or anyone he coached at Richmond.
It was a player whose career began in the early '90s, when Frawley was captain of the Saints, and which spanned more than 300 games; it was Mark Ricciuto.
Like a teenage Ricciuto, Martin is remarkably strong and physically powerful for a player of his youthful vintage. 'Roo' was an expert at breaking tackles with a stiff arm, and was so capable of kicking goals from the midfield that he finished his career in the goal square and led the Crows' goal-kicking.
The parallel that Frawley and others see between Martin and the young version of Ricciuto is based on a mix of attributes - strong bodies, speed, overhead marking prowess - and in Martin's unusual physical presence and ability to overpower more seasoned opponents, as the Adelaide champ did.
''He's got the power build from an early age, too,'' said Frawley of Martin.
''They play tall by taking the contested mark, and they're good on the ground.''
Martin, 187 centimetres, has the strength/speed combination of Ricciuto, covering 20 metres in under three seconds.
Ricciuto's career included a premiership (1998), Brownlow Medal (2003) and, most impressively, eight All-Australian jumpers. Martin shares Roo's goal sense, having booted nine goals in five games while averaging 25 touches.
Should he maintain the rage, the precocious Tiger cub may go close to matching the 19-year-old Ricciuto's feat of making All-Australian in his second season (Martin turns 20 in June), although the club sees him as far from fully formed, with much to prove and improve.
Both Chris Judd and Joel Selwood - universally regarded as the best performed teens of the past decade - had to wait until their third season before winning selection in the AFL's team of the year. Martin, at this stage, is arguably in the same weight-for-age company as that pair, having finished fourth in Richmond's best and fairest in his first season.
Frawley observed that Martin and Ricciuto, country lads (Martin from Castlemaine, Roo from Waikerie, South Australia) who didn't resile from physical confrontation, were both ''pretty earthy''. The ex-coach added that the Tiger hordes had a particular fondness for strongmen. ''They love tough players''.
Few Richmond players would match or better the Tiger wunderkind for physical presence, which says something both about the age of the Richmond list (very young) and Martin's rare maturity.
''Jack Riewoldt's got a physical presence the way he goes after the ball,'' said Frawley. ''Martin has, he's so strong over the ball.''
Ricciuto would not draw comparisons between himself and Martin, but he liked what he'd seen of the midfielder. ''He's obviously not scared either,'' said the Adelaide great.
''He's obviously not intimidated by anyone.''
The Roo was especially impressed by Martin's prowess at winning the contested ball in close. ''He'll be a midfielder who can go forward, but he'll be majority in the midfield.
''He's an in-and-under, hard in-and-under player and that's where he does his best work, inside, and he can obviously kick goals as well. They're the best type of midfielder you can have, the most important type of midfielder is a goalkicking midfielder, a hard goalkicking midfielder. There's no more important things at the moment than winning contested balls at stoppages and kicking goals in the midfielder and he does both of them.''
Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch said this week of Martin's contested abilities: ''You talk about knowing how to manoeuvre your body in contested sorts of situation, he just knows that better than anyone. And it doesn't seem to matter about the size of the opposition either, he just knows how to do it well.''
While the Tigers will be wary of the hype that may surround Martin as a boy wonder at a club that's had scant success, they aren't greatly concerned about Martin's head swelling, despite the clip he received in pre-season from coach Damien Hardwick for showing up unfit.
''I don't think Dustin would get carried away with much,'' Leppitsch said, describing Martin as ''a very quiet character'' who eschewed the media. ''He just plays true football.''
And, like the Roo, he plays it hard.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a-champion-in-the-making-20110429-1e0sy.html#ixzz1Kw5dPP1c
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We know Dusty is a freak but good on him on remaining level headed and to go out and pull another great game out of the bag. With all the press all week leading into the game telling him how brilliant he was it could have so easily gone to his head like many a footballer before him and he could have had a shocker. His first quarter especially saved our bacon early on so we were only a goal down at 1/4 time despite playing crap as a team.
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Reckon his bullocking style may catch the umpys eye. What odds the brownlow?
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Some Good Dusty Jokes
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DMartin once visited "The Virgin Islands"
They are now knows as "The Islands"
DMartin won a game of Connect 4 with only 3 moves.
DMartin doesn't get hard ball gets.
Every ball he gets is easy.
DMartin took a pee on the side of a semi trailer.
It turned into Optimus Prime.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get away from DMartin's don't argue
DMartin doesn't eat breakfast.
He eats concrete
DMartin doesn't not have a backspace on his keyboard.
He never makes mistakes.
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Ah the old Chuck Norris jokes! :lol
Each night before bed, the boogeyman checks his cupboard for Dustin Martin.
Dusty will never have a heart attack, his heart isn't stupid enough to attack him.
Superman wears Dustin Martin pyjamas to bed.
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They also trotted out a few 'Chuck-isms' about Dusty on Game Day when Cotch was on. Also showed some footage of Jack, Newy and Whitey answering questions about Cotch - quite funny, especially the bits about Cotch's dog being called "Wocca" after the apparent mutual love between Cotch and Wayne Campbell. All tongue in cheek but I laughed :lol
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The two I liked the most so far are
When Dustin Martin makes coffee he grinds the beans with his teeth and boils the water with his fury
Giraffes were created when Dustin Martin uppercut a horse
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All this stuff is getting out of hand IMHO. Lets let the kid play footy and forget the rest of the rubbish.
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All this stuff is getting out of hand IMHO. Lets let the kid play footy and forget the rest of the rubbish.
Oh come on, it's just a bit of fun
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When Dustin Martin Pokes you on facebook, You die !
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Just a bit of a joke Ramps lol.
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Dustin Martin ranks second in the competition with 115 kicks. He has won more disposals in each game he has played this season, winning 18 in round one followed by totals of 21, 25, 28, 33 and finally 35 in round six.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stats-standout-20110502-1e3i1.html#ixzz1L7uvtpkv
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Martin is the best footballer to come to punt road in the last 30 years.
Lets hope he has a good run with injury as the sky is the limit for the young man.
Absolute freak
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When Dustin Martin Pokes you on facebook, You die !
Must have poked Osama Bin Laden.
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I am glad we did not pick John Butcher instead of our Dustin. ;D
Gun
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John who???
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* Obama asks Dustin Martin for the green light to kill osama bin Ladin.
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* Obama asks Dustin Martin for the green light to kill osama bin Ladin.
gold
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* Obama asks Dustin Martin for the green light to kill osama bin Ladin.
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It's a sad world where we applaud the killing of an individual.
:(
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It's a sad world where we applaud the killing of an individual.
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I wouldn't have though so when said individual is responsible killing thousands of innocent people and then the same said individual boasted/gloated about it when it happened
What goes around has finally come around
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It's a sad world where we applaud the killing of an individual.
:(
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I wouldn't have though so when said individual is responsible killing thousands of innocent people and then the same said individual boasted/gloated about it when it happened
What goes around has finally come around
He deserved what he got but we do ourselves no favours as humanity by making public displays of joy. Places us at the same level frankly.
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It's a sad world where we applaud the killing of an individual.
:(
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I wouldn't have though so when said individual is responsible killing thousands of innocent people and then the same said individual boasted/gloated about it when it happened
What goes around has finally come around
He deserved what he got but we do ourselves no favours as humanity by making public displays of joy. Places us at the same level frankly.
I agree with you there smokey, don't like seeing or condone the carry on, on the streets of the US or other places but I certainly can understand why they are doing it.
Having been to Ground Zero and the 9/11 memorial (one of the most humbling experiences of my life to be honest)believe me I certainly understand it
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It's a sad world where we applaud the killing of an individual.
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I wouldn't have though so when said individual is responsible killing thousands of innocent people and then the same said individual boasted/gloated about it when it happened
What goes around has finally come around
He deserved what he got but we do ourselves no favours as humanity by making public displays of joy. Places us at the same level frankly.
I agree with you there smokey, don't like seeing or condone the carry on, on the streets of the US or other places but I certainly can understand why they are doing it.
Having been to Ground Zero and the 9/11 memorial (one of the most humbling experiences of my life to be honest)believe me I certainly understand it
For sure WP. I understand it, I've been to a war zone and had to pick up the detritus (literally), I have a son about to leave for one and something I've learned in all that is there is nothing to cheer about. It's not a football game, there are no winners.
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* Obama asks Dustin Martin for the green light to kill osama bin Ladin.
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It's a sad world where we applaud the killing of an individual.
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Im not so sure, that all depends who the individual is.......the worlds largest terrorist org have lost their inspiration, for the minute
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Don't know what Bin Laden has to do with RFC????
I just think Dusty is great though. :thumbsup
Looked real shiny at the Royal Wedding on Friday too. :gotigers
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I've been to a war zone and had to pick up the detritus (literally), I have a son about to leave for one and something I've learned in all that is there is nothing to cheer about. It's not a football game, there are no winners.
All the best to your son smokey he deserves our repsect & admiration for doing the toughest job on earth
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I am glad we did not pick John Butcher instead of our Dustin. ;D
Gun
who are you today Dustin Martins father ;D
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I am glad we did not pick John Butcher instead of our Dustin. ;D
Gun
who are you today Dustin Martins father ;D
Yep, glad my boy can play, your boy can't ;).. and is stuck in the SANFL lol
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Gun
Gun doesn't seem a big enough word pope.
He's a freakin' tank.
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I am glad we did not pick John Butcher instead of our Dustin. ;D
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who are you today Dustin Martins father ;D
Yep, glad my boy can play, your boy can't ;).. and is stuck in the SANFL lol
well you assume other peoples identity to boost your ego onto others on this forum so it dont surprise me one bit
Butcher will get his chance when it comes, not that l really care cause ;D he dont play for Richmond, but his form is ok from what l'm told
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I am glad we did not pick John Butcher instead of our Dustin. ;D
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who are you today Dustin Martins father ;D
Yep, glad my boy can play, your boy can't ;).. and is stuck in the SANFL lol
well you assume other peoples identity to boost your ego onto others on this forum so it dont surprise me one bit
Butcher will get his chance when it comes, not that l really care cause ;D he dont play for Richmond, but his form is ok from what l'm told
The circus of Tigermonk lives on. :birthday :birthday :birthday :birthday
Just waiting for you to admit your wrong. After slagging off the club for drafting Martin ahead of Butcher, an honorable bloke would admit he's been a muppet and accept he is wrong.
BTW glad we kept Jack Riewoldt? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
FYI "It doesn't surprise me one but" not "It don't surprise me one bit".
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The circus of Tigermonk lives on. :birthday :birthday :birthday :birthday
Just waiting for you to admit your wrong. After slagging off the club for drafting Martin ahead of Butcher, an honorable bloke would admit he's been a muppet and accept he is wrong.
BTW glad we kept Jack Riewoldt? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
FYI "It doesn't surprise me one but" not "It don't surprise me one bit".
Popelord there is something majorly wrong with your mentality, l know your young but grow a brain.
you need to rethink l said we needed a forward not another midfielder. Your the one who put the names in. You never mentioned anything about Martin prior to the media releasing his name as protential top draft pick so please dont keep raving on about him as if your some effing bigtime football person cause you already been exposed on this Forum & others for being a LIAR ;D Comparing 2 different types of players shows just how unstable you are.
You live fulltime on the forum cause unfortunately for you this is all you got LMAO what a life no future. Lucky you dont have kids ;D the mental stress you put them through. Give it up you gobbler
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Enough with the personal insults ppl and get back to the topic! ::)
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The circus of Tigermonk lives on. :birthday :birthday :birthday :birthday
Just waiting for you to admit your wrong. After slagging off the club for drafting Martin ahead of Butcher, an honorable bloke would admit he's been a muppet and accept he is wrong.
BTW glad we kept Jack Riewoldt? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
FYI "It doesn't surprise me one but" not "It don't surprise me one bit".
Popelord there is something majorly wrong with your mentality, l know your young but grow a brain.
you need to rethink l said we needed a forward not another midfielder. Your the one who put the names in. You never mentioned anything about Martin prior to the media releasing his name as protential top draft pick so please dont keep raving on about him as if your some effing bigtime football person cause you already been exposed on this Forum & others for being a LIAR ;D Comparing 2 different types of players shows just how unstable you are.
You live fulltime on the forum cause unfortunately for you this is all you got LMAO what a life no future. Lucky you dont have kids ;D the mental stress you put them through. Give it up you gobbler
To say that and follow it with tripe is schoolyard behaviour at best. ::)
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Im not saying anything about anyone but what is a gobbler?
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Hilarious
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Im not saying anything about anyone but what is a gobbler?
A Turkey......
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Im not saying anything about anyone but what is a gobbler?
isnt it short for that place, Gobblers Knob?
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The things you learn on google these days is amazing :lol
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Dustin Martin labelled best second-year AFL player: Richmond coach Damien Hardwick
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
May 03, 2011
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has labelled Dustin Martin the best second-year player he has seen.
Martin has taken the competition by storm, his latest dominant performance a 35-possession game against the Brisbane Lions.
Hardwick has been at four clubs - Essendon, Port Adelaide, Hawthorn and Richmond - since being recruited in 1994, but cannot find an equal to the man from Castlemaine.
"(With) Dustin Martin, it's hard to know where to start," he said.
"I don't think I have seen a more significant impact for a second-year player in my time in AFL.
"He has had a terrific season and built on his performance last year, but the great thing we have seen this year, which he didn't have last year, was the ability to push forward.
"We can probably thank the sub rule for that one, so thanks Adrian Anderson and Andrew (Demetriou)."
In Hardwick's time he has played with or coached stars such as Lance Franklin, Cyril Rioli, James Hird, Matthew Lloyd, Gavin Wanganeen and Shaun Burgoyne.
He says Martin's transition into a more complete player has come from going to school on his opponents.
The 19-year-old has been going to games to study the running patterns of elite midfielders.
"His ability to win one-on-one contests is as good as I have seen. We feel he has an enormous future, and hopefully he can continue on in his good form," Hardwick said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-labelled-best-second-year-afl-player-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick/story-e6frepf6-1226049403490
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Dustin Martin labelled best second-year AFL player: Richmond coach Damien Hardwick
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
May 03, 2011
He says Martin's transition into a more complete player has come from going to school on his opponents.
The 19-year-old has been going to games to study the running patterns of elite midfielders.
This is the interesting element for me from the article. I wonder if all our young midfielders are following a similar education. I also wonder if Dusty is doing this more to improve his defence against his immediate opponents, his overall defensive game or how to best defeat the oppositions defence? Learning where to run and get the ball from models such as Judd, Sawn and Ablett can't be a bad thing.
His game reminds me somewhat of the three players I mentioned - all strong through the hips, hard to stop.
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Most likely garbage as it hasn't be reported in the media anywhere but BF claiming Dusty may have hurt his ankle....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=441fc4f8e5baa43eedb13f9329315683&t=821642
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Most likely garbage as it hasn't be reported in the media anywhere but BF claiming Dusty may have hurt his ankle....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=441fc4f8e5baa43eedb13f9329315683&t=821642
Probably an angry Demons fan sick of hearing about their draft mistakes starting a rumour. :pray
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Most likely garbage as it hasn't be reported in the media anywhere but BF claiming Dusty may have hurt his ankle....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=441fc4f8e5baa43eedb13f9329315683&t=821642
I hope it just someone trying to stir the pot :pray
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Would have been on the news whether on radio or television especially in the form he is in. I have no doubt its just another baseless rumour from BF.
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Most likely garbage as it hasn't be reported in the media anywhere but BF claiming Dusty may have hurt his ankle....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=441fc4f8e5baa43eedb13f9329315683&t=821642
Mr OE you should know better it's BF after all :rollin
Besides Dusty has tweeted he's playing Table tennis against Jack R :thumbsup
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The circus of Tigermonk lives on. :birthday :birthday :birthday :birthday
Just waiting for you to admit your wrong. After slagging off the club for drafting Martin ahead of Butcher, an honorable bloke would admit he's been a muppet and accept he is wrong.
BTW glad we kept Jack Riewoldt? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
FYI "It doesn't surprise me one but" not "It don't surprise me one bit".
Popelord there is something majorly wrong with your mentality, l know your young but grow a brain.
you need to rethink l said we needed a forward not another midfielder. Your the one who put the names in. You never mentioned anything about Martin prior to the media releasing his name as protential top draft pick so please dont keep raving on about him as if your some effing bigtime football person cause you already been exposed on this Forum & others for being a LIAR ;D Comparing 2 different types of players shows just how unstable you are.
You live fulltime on the forum cause unfortunately for you this is all you got LMAO what a life no future. Lucky you dont have kids ;D the mental stress you put them through. Give it up you gobbler
Baha, another arguement won, thanks TM.
You're just wrong.. again. Surely pack it in lol.
*Plays the worlds smallest Violin.
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Back to the topic ppl ::)
Most likely garbage as it hasn't be reported in the media anywhere but BF claiming Dusty may have hurt his ankle....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=441fc4f8e5baa43eedb13f9329315683&t=821642
Mr OE you should know better it's BF after all :rollin
Besides Dusty has tweeted he's playing Table tennis against Jack R :thumbsup
Just putting it out there for discussion and ridicule ;D
Anyway Jack Riewoldt tweeted this tonight:
"@DustinMartin4 had a broken ankle this morning but it's fixed now cause he is @DustinMartin4!! #dustinmartinfacts #hesactuallyok"
:lol :thumbsup
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Back to the topic ppl ::)
Most likely garbage as it hasn't be reported in the media anywhere but BF claiming Dusty may have hurt his ankle....
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=441fc4f8e5baa43eedb13f9329315683&t=821642
Mr OE you should know better it's BF after all :rollin
Besides Dusty has tweeted he's playing Table tennis against Jack R :thumbsup
Just putting it out there for discussion and ridicule ;D
Anyway Jack Riewoldt tweeted this tonight:
"@DustinMartin4 had a broken ankle this morning but it's fixed now cause he is @DustinMartin4!! #dustinmartinfacts #hesactuallyok"
:lol :thumbsup
Dustin Martin can't break his ankle cause he had metal injected into his bones to replace Wolverine.
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Another little know fact. in 2010 Dustin Martin participated in the running of the bulls. He walked.
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Who is our youngest B&F at the club to date? Will Dusty be the one??
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Another little know fact. in 2010 Dustin Martin participated in the running of the bulls. He walked.
And "don't argued" a bull
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He rightened the Tower of Pisa with a classic don't argue
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Martin’s rise no surprise to former mentors
Luke West
Bendigo Advertiser
05 May, 2011
THE hottest name in the AFL at the moment is Richmond teenager Dustin Martin.
And neither of the Tiger star’s previous two coaches are surprised at the impact the 19-year-old has been able to make in the AFL less than 30 games into his career.
Martin – whose previous two clubs were Castlemaine and the Bendigo Pioneers – has been lauded by the Melbourne media and commentators in the past two weeks for his phenomenal start to his second season with the Tigers.
The powerfully built midfielder has recently drawn comparisons with a young Mark Ricciuto, who won a Brownlow Medal, premiership and selection in eight All-Australian teams during his 312 games with the Adelaide Crows.
Martin has played only 27 AFL games, but so explosive has he been this year he is already being spoken about as a Brownlow Medal fancy and All-Australian prospect this season.
He has been prominent in five of the Tigers’ six games so far this year – 21 possessions and three goals against St Kilda in round two; 25 touches and five tackles against Hawthorn in round three; 28 disposals and two goals against Collingwood in round four; 33 touches and four goals against North Melbourne in round five; and 35 possessions and one goal against Brisbane last Saturday night.
Yet, it was only three years ago in 2008 that Martin was a 16-year-old playing in the Bendigo Football League with Castlemaine.
The Magpies coach in 2008 when Martin made his senior debut in round one at Camp Reserve against Gisborne was Jamie Elliott, who believes Martin was ready to play AFL by the age of 17.
Right from that first game against Gisborne, it was clear Martin was destined for greater things as his penetrating kicking, ability to win the contested ball, speed and clean disposal was an obvious standout in the 69-point loss for the Magpies.
“I thought as a 17-year-old he could have played league footy,” said Elliott, who himself played 58 AFL games at Fitzroy, Richmond and St Kilda during the ’90s.
“I’m not surprised at all at what he has already been able to come in and do at Richmond.
“He was always going to be a good player, it was just a matter of whether he had his head screwed on right, which he has and he has obviously learned a fair bit since he got down there.
“This year the substitute rule has probably helped him in that he can go forward and be a power forward.
“Even when he was a 16-year-old with us, we use to play him in the centre and change him at full-forward, so it’s great he is getting that opportunity to play forward again.”
While Martin – who was a runaway winner of the BFL’s Rising Star Award in 2008 – played predominantly as a midfielder with Castlemaine, he possessed the goalkicking ability that has become an added string to his bow this year, as North Melbourne found out in round five with his four majors.
Martin won the Magpies’ goalkicking in 2008 with 22, which included kicking five of Castlemaine’s 10 goals playing a mix of centre and full-forward in a 79-point loss to Golden Square in round 16.
“He had one of the best work ethics when he was with us. I used to pick him up from Bendigo to go to training, and we would have a kick before training, he’d then do all the training, and then stay out afterwards and have another kick of the footy,’’ Elliott said.
“His work-ethic was always good with us. I spoke to him the other week and he hasn’t changed as a person, that’s for sure.”
Bendigo Pioneers coach Mark Ellis agrees that despite now being regarded as one of the AFL’s hottest prospects, Martin hasn’t forgotten where he has come from.
After playing four games with the Pioneers late in the 2008 season, Martin – who first played as a junior with Campbells Creek in the under-10s – spent 2009 with the Pioneers in the TAC Cup where his reputation continued to prosper as the season wore on.
“Even now you can still ring him and talk to him, and he always asks how we’re going and who is playing well,’’ Ellis said.
“Last year he was more than willing to come up to one of our camps where we had some under-16 kids in... he’s just that sort of person who hasn’t forgotten where he has come from.
“He hasn’t changed at all. He’s very level-headed and appreciative of his time in Bendigo.”
Martin’s 2009 season with the Bendigo Pioneers included selection for Victoria Country in the mid-year under-18 national championships, with his stellar carnival capped by being picked in the centre in the All-Australian team.
“He was doing things in the TAC Cup in 2009 that were going to stand him in good stead to be able to play AFL,” Ellis said.
“The thing that convinced us of how far he could go was the way he played in the nationals. Every time he had to step up a level, he did it easily and looked comfortable.
“It was just the nature of the way he played. He didn’t rely on anyone to get the ball for him, he just went and got it himself.
“His kicking skills and strength was always going to be his big asset. He was a mini Mark Ricciuto in the TAC Cup.
“He never got ahead of himself or thought he was better than anyone else, he was very good for the club, and it’s no surprise he’s now playing the type of footy he is.”
Martin juggled his commitments at the Pioneers in 2009 with his job at Luke Arnott Electrical, but in late November he went from labourer to full-time footballer after he was selected by Richmond with pick No.3 at the national draft.
“He was a good worker with us, but he has shown he made the right choice in going down the footy path. We’re very proud of him,” Luke Arnott said.
(http://static.lifeislocal.com.au/multimedia/images/large/1227926.jpg)
Dustin Martin as a 16-year-old playing for Castlemaine.
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/news/local/sport/football-australian-rules/martins-rise-no-surprise-to-former-mentors/2153355.aspx?storypage=0
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I don't want a be a kill-joy here but all the external hype Dusty is getting lately is making me nervious. Any hype we've had recently such as the when Cuz arrived has blown up in our faces. I pray this time it doesn't because I love to watch this kid play!!
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Hype comes with the territory. If we're going to show good signs then the media is going to pump us and our players up. Only a problem if it's a false dawn. Doesn't feel like a false dawn this time. Here's hoping. :pray
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Dustin Martin is so hardcore, when I'm unexpectedly interrupted watching highlights of him on the net, I quickly switch over to p*rn to avoid embarrassment.
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Chuck Norris' daughter recently lost her virginity.... Dustin Martin got it back !
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:lol thats stuffed
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(http://static.lifeislocal.com.au/multimedia/images/large/1227926.jpg)
Dustin Martin as a 16-year-old playing for Castlemaine.
Geez that's nasty seeing Dusty in Collingwood colors. Kid cracks me up tho. He's just always got that ' don't argue ' look on his melon :thumbsup
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I don't want a be a kill-joy here but all the external hype Dusty is getting lately is making me nervious. Any hype we've had recently such as the when Cuz arrived has blown up in our faces. I pray this time it doesn't because I love to watch this kid play!!
Apples and oranges there Stripes.
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Dusty is on the Bigpond Sports Weekend show from the AFL website
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/352482/bigpond-sports-weekend/ (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/352482/bigpond-sports-weekend/)
He doesn't say anything too much outside his media training but he speaks fairly well
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Edit: Sorry Infamy didn't see you had posted the Bigpond video already :cheers
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(http://static.lifeislocal.com.au/multimedia/images/large/1227926.jpg)
Dustin Martin as a 16-year-old playing for Castlemaine.
Geez that's nasty seeing Dusty in Collingwood colors. Kid cracks me up tho. He's just always got that ' don't argue ' look on his melon :thumbsup
Makes me want to vomit looking at him in collingwood colours like that :chuck :chuck :chuck
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Dusty is on the Bigpond Sports Weekend show from the AFL website
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/352482/bigpond-sports-weekend/ (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/352482/bigpond-sports-weekend/)
He doesn't say anything too much outside his media training but he speaks fairly well
" Yeh in the last qtr we just took 'em apart " - Dusty... hahaa ! He's just a country boy kickin a.rse !
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Martin models game on Magpies Swan
By Kim Hagdorn
SportsNewsFirst
13 May 2011 03:54PM EST
BUDDING Richmond star Dustin Martin has taken to modelling his game on Collingwood sensation Dane Swan.
Former Tigers on-ball ace Wayne Campbell has revealed that Martin has gone to Magpies games just to analyse how Swan wins his possessions as well as what the champion play-maker does when not running on the ball.
Campbell played 297 Tigers games and is now midfield coach of an on-ball battery of Martin, another young gun Trent Cotchin and established followers Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio and Daniel Jackson.
Ahead of Richmond’s crucial clash with a stumbling Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium on Sunday, Campbell disclosed that Martin had carefully monitored Swan to avoid heavy tagging as well as reading the play when not in possession.
Martin is likely to be closely watched by Dogs minder Liam Picken.
Martin, 19 and into his second AFL season, had been in near All-Australian selection form in the opening six weeks of the 2011 season before he was heavily tagged in last week’s stirring eight-goal win over Fremantle at the MCG.
Martin was held to just 11 possessions for the day by close-checking Dockers hard nut Matthew de Boer.
The classy young Tiger did not touch the ball at all in the first quarter.
But while Martin was held to virtually no impact in the match, the Tigers midfield went on a rampage after half-time and especially late in the match when they slammed on nine of the last 10 goals to win by 49 points.
Campbell confirmed that Martin has closely studied Swan, who was voted the AFL’s Most Valuable Player last year and is being roundly touted to win this season’s coveted Brownlow Medal.
“He watches all the elite players in the competition and Dane has been that for the last two or three years,” Campbell said.
“He watches him and he watches a lot of the good midfielders.
“He’s a young guy that wants to learn and wants to get better and that’s a terrific attribute to have and he’s getting some of the rewards for it out on the field.”
Campbell anticipates Martin to emerge a more astute player from his first serious tagging lesson.
“He got tagged for the first time, a real tag last week,” Campbell said.
“He got tagged little bits and pieces last year, but that was the first real one with de Boer running with him and he will have learnt a lot about that.
“I suppose that is the key thing to having multiple players running through your midfield with Cotchin and Foley and these sort of guys and Jacko (Jackson) as well, that they can only tag one of them.
“Hopefully, that allows that player to work on what he is doing and allows the other guys to get some footy.”
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/05/13/martin-models-game-on-magpies-swan/
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No idea what that has to do with Dusty but I like it. ;D
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Butcher playing now in foxtel cup for port 2s
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Butcher playing now in foxtel cup for port 2s
poo house kick of the footy.
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DUSTIN MARTIN does not flush the toilet
he scares the poo out of it
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Martin models game on Magpies Swan
By Kim Hagdorn
SportsNewsFirst
13 May 2011 03:54PM ESTn/
I heard that interview and Cambo did say that him and Dusty have gone to games together and studied Swan. Cambo then said...when I can get him to pay attention for more than 5 minutes :lol
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No idea what that has to do with Dusty but I like it. ;D
Cambo in his interview was saying Dusty still needed to learn how to beat a tag after last week being held to 11 possies. Swan may get 36 possies when not tagged yet he still gets 30 when tagged so it becomes pointless to tag him and as coach you're better off putting a heavy tag on someone else who you can completely shutdown. The coaching staff believes in time Dusty can become that type of player where the opposition coaches tagging him becomes pointless. So we've got Dusty watching what Swan does and where he runs and stands at stoppages and around the ground.
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I wonder how Swan does it? Is it will assistance with teammates ie Ablett, runs the taggers ragged ie Cousins or some other strtaegy. Hope Dusty does conentrate and pick up some extra strategies. I jope he learns how to break a tag better than Lids did. :-X If he is tagged today I wouldn't expect manner more possessions than last week.
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Best first 2years in the AFL since Judd
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Guys, I think we might be witnessing something special here.
I dont say this lightly, but with his talent, I actually think he could be one of the best players to ever play the game.
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Yep goalkicking mids are worth their weight in gold. 21 goals in 12 games this year from memory.
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Worth $1 million! If only the other players had confidence like him!
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He has taken to AFL footy as if he was still playing for Castlemaine as a 16 year old kid.
If they keep his head right the possibilities are amazing.
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Gun!
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Simply amazing.
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Gun!
:thumbsup
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This kid is making a mockery of the game.
Mike Sheahan can pencil him in his top 25 crap next year.
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Where's Johnny Butcher ???
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His Effectivity percentage is through the roof.
That's what makes him so good.
He runs opposite lines and as a result finds the space.
The way he was booming them on the run reminded me of Juniors at Springy,FFS.
He's the greatest(will be) Tiger since i don't know.
I just love the kid.!!!
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He reminds me of Judd when he just breaks the packs.
and kicks goals too.
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Where's Johnny Butcher ???
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as l said Popelord, to be a good liar you must have a good memory,
you got caught out being a liar so let see how you explain this post you made prior to the draft ;D
l will bring up later when you 1st ever mentioned Martin ;D see how stupid you make yourself look :birthday ;D
read below & take note of the # & date of your post prior to the draft :santa
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Football / Richmond Rant / Re: Richo given a month to decide his future
on: September 02, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
A much needed player next year even if he doesnt get on the aprk.
We'll have a horribly depleted list experience wise and Richo needs to be there.
With 8-12 players going outside of Richo's retirement with 6-8 new 17/28 year olds. Those kids would benefit greatly with Richo being there for 1 more year.
If somehow we get Butcher and he is training with Richo he'd benefit greatly.
He needs to stay for 1 more year.
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Moving right along ::).
Check out the vision of Dusty's long bomb in the final quarter again. He kicked that from inside the centre square and it easily cleared the goals and hit the back fence. The kick must have gone 85m :gobdrop.
Even Richmond-hater Tony Shaw called Dusty a star with the don't argue goal in the 3rd quarter and was left amazed by the 85m goal. Dusty is a freak :thumbsup.
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As long as he doesn't fall foul of the 'baseball curse'......................................
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Absolute gun of the highest order. :thumbsup
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His Effectivity percentage is through the roof.
That's what makes him so good.
He runs opposite lines and as a result finds the space.
The way he was booming them on the run reminded me of Juniors at Springy,FFS.
He's the greatest(will be) Tiger since i don't know.
I just love the kid.!!!
if I recall correctly you said he was a "Lazy Maori prick".
......And now you Love him. :lol :rollin
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has that rare combination of toughness and skill. just leaves me shaking my head with some of the things he does :bow
the errors are diminishing too :thumbsup
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has that rare combination of toughness and skill. just leaves me shaking my head with some of the things he does :bow
the errors are diminishing too :thumbsup
well l was shaking my head to Al, no l aint got Parkinson desease ;D :thumbsup amazing how this lad kicks so straight & long after the strength he uses & the bursts away from tacklers, He does it consistantly. His last shot after the siren was pure fatigue but this lad is better than Judd in his second year. He will have Tiger supporters increasing the membership & the turnstils will be spinning. The kids will be wearing #4 for many years. :thumbsup
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Where's Johnny Butcher ???
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as l said Popelord, to be a good liar you must have a good memory,
you got caught out being a liar so let see how you explain this post you made prior to the draft ;D
l will bring up later when you 1st ever mentioned Martin ;D see how stupid you make yourself look :birthday ;D
read below & take note of the # & date of your post prior to the draft :santa
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Football / Richmond Rant / Re: Richo given a month to decide his future
on: September 02, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
A much needed player next year even if he doesnt get on the aprk.
We'll have a horribly depleted list experience wise and Richo needs to be there.
With 8-12 players going outside of Richo's retirement with 6-8 new 17/28 year olds. Those kids would benefit greatly with Richo being there for 1 more year.
If somehow we get Butcher and he is training with Richo he'd benefit greatly.
He needs to stay for 1 more year.
Yeah Butcher with our 2nd pick not passing up Martin for Butcher which you whinged for about 6 months after the draft.
Dustin is a gun, glad he's at Tigerland and not Port Adelaide lol
*Circus Music*
In closing you were 100% wrong and if you were a decent bloke and/or a Richmond supporter you'd be happy to be wrong cause we've picked up an absolute gem. Unfortunately you're neither.
This matter is now closed.
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Moving right along ...
Here's Dusty being interviewed after the game last night
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/365068/default.aspx
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I used to think that Trent Cotchin was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Sorry Trent, you are still a superstar but Dustin Martin is going to be the messiah responsible for Richmond winning its 11th flag.
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Where's Johnny Butcher ???
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as l said Popelord, to be a good liar you must have a good memory,
you got caught out being a liar so let see how you explain this post you made prior to the draft ;D
l will bring up later when you 1st ever mentioned Martin ;D see how stupid you make yourself look :birthday ;D
read below & take note of the # & date of your post prior to the draft :santa
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Football / Richmond Rant / Re: Richo given a month to decide his future
on: September 02, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
A much needed player next year even if he doesnt get on the aprk.
We'll have a horribly depleted list experience wise and Richo needs to be there.
With 8-12 players going outside of Richo's retirement with 6-8 new 17/28 year olds. Those kids would benefit greatly with Richo being there for 1 more year.
If somehow we get Butcher and he is training with Richo he'd benefit greatly.
He needs to stay for 1 more year.
Yeah Butcher with our 2nd pick not passing up Martin for Butcher which you whinged for about 6 months after the draft, muppet.
Dustin is a gun, glad he's at Tigerland and not Port Adelaide lol
*Circus Music*
In closing you were 100% wrong and if you were a decent bloke and/or a Richmond supporter you'd be happy to be wrong cause we've picked up an absolute gem. Unfortunately you're neither.
This matter is now closed.
being Wrong ??. Butcher aint played AFL cause of a serious injury which could happen to Martin today in a freak accident. ( Which l wouldnot wish on any lad playing football ) so dont take this out of text ok cause l know what your like when grabbing for straws
It could have been any Forward/Ruck l wanted drafted. Had nothing to do with Butcher. You got stuck on that name ;D It was more KPP l wanted Richmond to draft, Cause l can tell you l hate Rewoldt & his attitude. 2 different players is Butcher / Martin but l'm more than happy with Richmond's choice picking Martin cause his a exciting, strong, fearless player, so much infact l have labeled him as better than Judd at his stage.
Funny you never mentioned Martin before that post ;D but its ok you need to keep bringing it up cause there is more for you yet.
Just for your info. l post all the good stuff private to OER so l dont get my fingers chopped off & l dont have to worry about posters like you trolling over my posts which infact are always on the money. l wonder why
Hows your alias going ;D you always dodge that since you got caught out LMAO. Travis Cloke said he has never heard of you & was wondering if you were the one of those stalking him ;D Browny had a great laugh about it & ask if l had your phone number.
Butcher l do care about because l know his talent & he is just unlucky, the day you trashed him after a Grand Final in gale force winds was the day you became the clown of all forums, because you dont trash people if you not there watching. it alerted me to the kind of poster you are & for your info Butcher was playing injured that day & prior to that had been smashing them in the TAC around the ground. Just wondering if you know what position he plays in the TAC back then. Oh thats right you were so into Metro & Eastern Ranges & being someone else that you weren't at any games ;D but say you were. Becareful how you post cause people like you get found out quick by people like me :lol
Butcher young brother will be even better & Richmond are slobbering all over him, so it could still be Butcher at Tigerland ( Remember just using the name). 2 would be nice, maybe we can trade Rewoldt to Port Adelaide cause his bad attitude stinks & Vickery is after his role. Kingy should bite his ears off after what l seen from him last night. l just wish he take a look at what he did to win that Coleman.
Dusty Martin :thumbsup well his another story. You dont need forwards when his on fire cause he is fantastic to watch. A player like him can kick goals from inside the square anyday.
Now just to finish this off prior to the Martin draft, our club was in turmoil, Development of the players was the worst in the AFL. Several of us posters had been talking about this for many years. We were at rock bottom thanks to those running the club to having the worst coaches. Goodbye Wallace, Rawlings, McRae, Royal, & whoever l missed. Then Dimma who knew what was needed & the has somehow got the players that were lucky to be kept motivated to a standard of playing which we the members & supporters are enjoying.
l was wrong about Rewoldts talent & have admitted this in a previous thread. Yes he does have talent & can play football but does have some flaws that he can work on. Like moving on in a trade for Butcher ;D no seriously he is exciting but l will post about that on another thread which l'm sure we will both enjoy ;D now you know all about Rewoldt so much ;D do myou know his dark secret :o
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Dusty goal from the square was enormous
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Butcher has been fit all year and can't get a game for the worst club in the league. He was injured a fair bit last year but still played a fair bit of footy (SANFL twos). For what it's worth, i reckon he will be a good player but we got the right man in Marto.
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Butcher has been fit all year and can't get a game for the worst club in the league. He was injured a fair bit last year but still played a fair bit of footy (SANFL twos). For what it's worth, i reckon he will be a good player but we got the right man in Marto.
JT its no doubt Richmond drafting Martin was a excellent choice. The Butcher / Martin saga got going by 2 posters. Popelord & Myself. Its got out of control. This is a short way of explaining it
Tigermonk wanted Richmond to draft a Forward / Ruckman who covered the field & could help out by back into defence. Butcher was a player who does this & is the reason l wanted him at our first pick in that draft.
At the time our Forward & Ruck was deplorable thanks to the previous coaches. We had Cotchin who was on the brink fighting injury, infact our whole team was shot all over the ground.
Popelord wanted another midfielder which was his choice & l disputed the choice of drafting another midfielder cause l beleived we need to build a team around 2 big KKPF & then build the backline as l thought we had enough mids to cover us but as it turned out Dimma drafted Martin & has got the Rewoldt, Newman, Cotch, Rance, Vickery playing & thanks to the help of the new staff & some band-aids..
It turned into a Butcher vs Martin which you cannot compare the 2 players & one who is not even playing due to a very serious back injury. Will Butcher ever play AFL we dont know, Draft his brother & forget about him cause his at Port Adelaide now anyway & our team is working thanks to the staff. ;D
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
if l told you l would have to terminate you ;D
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
if l told you l would have to terminate you ;D
In other words you dont know either ;D :lol
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lets face it , every guy has a man crush on dusty
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Actually sitting high up the stands last evening it was like young Dustin said "I've had enough of this crap & it's time to bury these blokes and this is how"
He did
GUN :thumbsup
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
if l told you l would have to terminate you ;D
In other words you dont know either ;D :lol
:lol l think you know better than that ::) :thumbsup
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
if l told you l would have to terminate you ;D
In other words you dont know either ;D :lol
:lol l think you know better than that ::) :thumbsup
cant blame me for trying to get the info ;) :cheers
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
if l told you l would have to terminate you ;D
In other words you dont know either ;D :lol
:lol l think you know better than that ::) :thumbsup
cant blame me for trying to get the info ;) :cheers
how much you gunna give me for info ;D
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Whats Butchers brother like Monky you said we are interested in him.
if l told you l would have to terminate you ;D
In other words you dont know either ;D :lol
:lol l think you know better than that ::) :thumbsup
cant blame me for trying to get the info ;) :cheers
how much you gunna give me for info ;D
Nuffin ;D
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ok tell ya tomorrow its too late tonight & l'm going to bed before the OER dribbler gets on ;D
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Where's Johnny Butcher ???
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as l said Popelord, to be a good liar you must have a good memory,
you got caught out being a liar so let see how you explain this post you made prior to the draft ;D
l will bring up later when you 1st ever mentioned Martin ;D see how stupid you make yourself look :birthday ;D
read below & take note of the # & date of your post prior to the draft :santa
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Football / Richmond Rant / Re: Richo given a month to decide his future
on: September 02, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
A much needed player next year even if he doesnt get on the aprk.
We'll have a horribly depleted list experience wise and Richo needs to be there.
With 8-12 players going outside of Richo's retirement with 6-8 new 17/28 year olds. Those kids would benefit greatly with Richo being there for 1 more year.
If somehow we get Butcher and he is training with Richo he'd benefit greatly.
He needs to stay for 1 more year.
Yeah Butcher with our 2nd pick not passing up Martin for Butcher which you whinged for about 6 months after the draft, muppet.
Dustin is a gun, glad he's at Tigerland and not Port Adelaide lol
*Circus Music*
In closing you were 100% wrong and if you were a decent bloke and/or a Richmond supporter you'd be happy to be wrong cause we've picked up an absolute gem. Unfortunately you're neither.
This matter is now closed.
being Wrong ??. Butcher aint played AFL cause of a serious injury which could happen to Martin today in a freak accident. ( Which l wouldnot wish on any lad playing football ) so dont take this out of text ok cause l know what your like when grabbing for straws
It could have been any Forward/Ruck l wanted drafted. Had nothing to do with Butcher. You got stuck on that name ;D It was more KPP l wanted Richmond to draft, Cause l can tell you l hate Rewoldt & his attitude. 2 different players is Butcher / Martin but l'm more than happy with Richmond's choice picking Martin cause his a exciting, strong, fearless player, so much infact l have labeled him as better than Judd at his stage.
Funny you never mentioned Martin before that post ;D but its ok you need to keep bringing it up cause there is more for you yet.
Just for your info. l post all the good stuff private to OER so l dont get my fingers chopped off & l dont have to worry about posters like you trolling over my posts which infact are always on the money. l wonder why
Hows your alias going ;D you always dodge that since you got caught out LMAO. Travis Cloke said he has never heard of you & was wondering if you were the one of those stalking him ;D Browny had a great laugh about it & ask if l had your phone number.
Butcher l do care about because l know his talent & he is just unlucky, the day you trashed him after a Grand Final in gale force winds was the day you became the clown of all forums, because you dont trash people if you not there watching. it alerted me to the kind of poster you are & for your info Butcher was playing injured that day & prior to that had been smashing them in the TAC around the ground. Just wondering if you know what position he plays in the TAC back then. Oh thats right you were so into Metro & Eastern Ranges & being someone else that you weren't at any games ;D but say you were. Becareful how you post cause people like you get found out quick by people like me :lol
Butcher young brother will be even better & Richmond are slobbering all over him, so it could still be Butcher at Tigerland ( Remember just using the name). 2 would be nice, maybe we can trade Rewoldt to Port Adelaide cause his bad attitude stinks & Vickery is after his role. Kingy should bite his ears off after what l seen from him last night. l just wish he take a look at what he did to win that Coleman.
Dusty Martin :thumbsup well his another story. You dont need forwards when his on fire cause he is fantastic to watch. A player like him can kick goals from inside the square anyday.
Now just to finish this off prior to the Martin draft, our club was in turmoil, Development of the players was the worst in the AFL. Several of us posters had been talking about this for many years. We were at rock bottom thanks to those running the club to having the worst coaches. Goodbye Wallace, Rawlings, McRae, Royal, & whoever l missed. Then Dimma who knew what was needed & the has somehow got the players that were lucky to be kept motivated to a standard of playing which we the members & supporters are enjoying.
l was wrong about Rewoldts talent & have admitted this in a previous thread. Yes he does have talent & can play football but does have some flaws that he can work on. Like moving on in a trade for Butcher ;D no seriously he is exciting but l will post about that on another thread which l'm sure we will both enjoy ;D now you know all about Rewoldt so much ;D do myou know his dark secret :o
Wow, I gave you to much credit I didn't realise you were this stupid.
Lets trade a Coleman medalist for a spud who can't get a game in the worst team in the league and is injury prone, that's a genius idea. That has actuaklly won the award for the stupidest idea of all time lol. Congratulations.
You hate Riewoldt. Ah OK, that's embarrassing would you like him to have won 2 Colemans by now?
I'll let Julie C know you're the hero you say you are lol.
So there is another so called Butcher gun, lol I think you're credibility is shot so I'lll take that with a grain of salt lol.
How much is a ticket to the Tigermonk circus lol
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Butcher has been fit all year and can't get a game for the worst club in the league. He was injured a fair bit last year but still played a fair bit of footy (SANFL twos). For what it's worth, i reckon he will be a good player but we got the right man in Marto.
JT its no doubt Richmond drafting Martin was a excellent choice. The Butcher / Martin saga got going by 2 posters. Popelord & Myself. Its got out of control. This is a short way of explaining it
Tigermonk wanted Richmond to draft a Forward / Ruckman who covered the field & could help out by back into defence. Butcher was a player who does this & is the reason l wanted him at our first pick in that draft.
At the time our Forward & Ruck was deplorable thanks to the previous coaches. We had Cotchin who was on the brink fighting injury, infact our whole team was shot all over the ground.
Popelord wanted another midfielder which was his choice & l disputed the choice of drafting another midfielder cause l beleived we need to build a team around 2 big KKPF & then build the backline as l thought we had enough mids to cover us but as it turned out Dimma drafted Martin & has got the Rewoldt, Newman, Cotch, Rance, Vickery playing & thanks to the help of the new staff & some band-aids..
It turned into a Butcher vs Martin which you cannot compare the 2 players & one who is not even playing due to a very serious back injury. Will Butcher ever play AFL we dont know, Draft his brother & forget about him cause his at Port Adelaide now anyway & our team is working thanks to the staff. ;D
I'll give you credit for a reasonable post.
You fail to add:
You're history of bagging the club for recruiting and development.
You claimed to know John Butcher and therefor have a bias view on his talent.
You're history of bagging Jack Riewoldt, who returned serve with a Coleman medal.
You're digust and bagging of teh club when we drafted Martin and claimed that Butcher would dominate the AFL and we have stuffed up another pick.
You're bagging of the club for drafting an injury prone Ben Griffiths and disgustingly enjoyed the fact that Benny G was injured as you predicted that he would reinjured his shoulder, yet you see it fine to give Butcher a free pass to be injury prone?
We can all understand your reason to draft KP players. But facts are GF's are won with premium midfielders.
If anyone comes out, runs their mouth about the club and strongly put a negative opinion on something and prove to be 100% incorrect surely you will admit they deserve their right whack?
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so if you wanted a forward ahead if Martin and it wasn't just butcher who'd you have your heart set on?
Talia?
Carlise?
Gawn?
Black?
Where's Johnny Butcher ???
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as l said Popelord, to be a good liar you must have a good memory,
you got caught out being a liar so let see how you explain this post you made prior to the draft ;D
l will bring up later when you 1st ever mentioned Martin ;D see how stupid you make yourself look :birthday ;D
read below & take note of the # & date of your post prior to the draft :santa
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Football / Richmond Rant / Re: Richo given a month to decide his future
on: September 02, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
A much needed player next year even if he doesnt get on the aprk.
We'll have a horribly depleted list experience wise and Richo needs to be there.
With 8-12 players going outside of Richo's retirement with 6-8 new 17/28 year olds. Those kids would benefit greatly with Richo being there for 1 more year.
If somehow we get Butcher and he is training with Richo he'd benefit greatly.
He needs to stay for 1 more year.
Yeah Butcher with our 2nd pick not passing up Martin for Butcher which you whinged for about 6 months after the draft, muppet.
Dustin is a gun, glad he's at Tigerland and not Port Adelaide lol
*Circus Music*
In closing you were 100% wrong and if you were a decent bloke and/or a Richmond supporter you'd be happy to be wrong cause we've picked up an absolute gem. Unfortunately you're neither.
This matter is now closed.
being Wrong ??. Butcher aint played AFL cause of a serious injury which could happen to Martin today in a freak accident. ( Which l wouldnot wish on any lad playing football ) so dont take this out of text ok cause l know what your like when grabbing for straws
It could have been any Forward/Ruck l wanted drafted. Had nothing to do with Butcher. You got stuck on that name ;D It was more KPP l wanted Richmond to draft, Cause l can tell you l hate Rewoldt & his attitude. 2 different players is Butcher / Martin but l'm more than happy with Richmond's choice picking Martin cause his a exciting, strong, fearless player, so much infact l have labeled him as better than Judd at his stage.
Funny you never mentioned Martin before that post ;D but its ok you need to keep bringing it up cause there is more for you yet.
Just for your info. l post all the good stuff private to OER so l dont get my fingers chopped off & l dont have to worry about posters like you trolling over my posts which infact are always on the money. l wonder why
Hows your alias going ;D you always dodge that since you got caught out LMAO. Travis Cloke said he has never heard of you & was wondering if you were the one of those stalking him ;D Browny had a great laugh about it & ask if l had your phone number.
Butcher l do care about because l know his talent & he is just unlucky, the day you trashed him after a Grand Final in gale force winds was the day you became the clown of all forums, because you dont trash people if you not there watching. it alerted me to the kind of poster you are & for your info Butcher was playing injured that day & prior to that had been smashing them in the TAC around the ground. Just wondering if you know what position he plays in the TAC back then. Oh thats right you were so into Metro & Eastern Ranges & being someone else that you weren't at any games ;D but say you were. Becareful how you post cause people like you get found out quick by people like me :lol
Butcher young brother will be even better & Richmond are slobbering all over him, so it could still be Butcher at Tigerland ( Remember just using the name). 2 would be nice, maybe we can trade Rewoldt to Port Adelaide cause his bad attitude stinks & Vickery is after his role. Kingy should bite his ears off after what l seen from him last night. l just wish he take a look at what he did to win that Coleman.
Dusty Martin :thumbsup well his another story. You dont need forwards when his on fire cause he is fantastic to watch. A player like him can kick goals from inside the square anyday.
Now just to finish this off prior to the Martin draft, our club was in turmoil, Development of the players was the worst in the AFL. Several of us posters had been talking about this for many years. We were at rock bottom thanks to those running the club to having the worst coaches. Goodbye Wallace, Rawlings, McRae, Royal, & whoever l missed. Then Dimma who knew what was needed & the has somehow got the players that were lucky to be kept motivated to a standard of playing which we the members & supporters are enjoying.
l was wrong about Rewoldts talent & have admitted this in a previous thread. Yes he does have talent & can play football but does have some flaws that he can work on. Like moving on in a trade for Butcher ;D no seriously he is exciting but l will post about that on another thread which l'm sure we will both enjoy ;D now you know all about Rewoldt so much ;D do myou know his dark secret :o
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Here Here:
IT IS a given in AFL that a premiership team must have a core group of elite midfielders.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116575/default.aspx
I still think we are 1 more elite midfielder away from having a complete midfield.
Martin, Cotchin, ?, Foley, Conca
Scully would fit in perfect.
ATM its Jackson who I honestly don't think is a top 4 side player, unless he sticks to a pure tagging role, we shouldn't be relying on him to dispose of the footy, leave it to Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Houli and co.
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Here Here:
IT IS a given in AFL that a premiership team must have a core group of elite midfielders.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/116575/default.aspx
I still think we are 1 more elite midfielder away from having a complete midfield.
Martin, Cotchin, ?, Foley, Conca
Scully would fit in perfect.
ATM its Jackson who I honestly don't think is a top 4 side player, unless he sticks to a pure tagging role, we shouldn't be relying on him to dispose of the footy, leave it to Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Houli and co.
I agree we are still 1 A grade midfielder short for Premiership success. Scully or getting one of the 17yo Midfielders would resolve this sityuation
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Stick to the topic without the personal insults & sniping
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Sydney offered us picks 6 & 14 so they could draft this kid
Too bad Swannies :-*
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Actually sitting high up the stands last evening it was like young Dustin said "I've had enough of this crap & it's time to bury these blokes and this is how"
He did
GUN :thumbsup
Absolutely ! Basically said ' give me the ball and I'll do the rest '
Anyone else noticed he's a notoriously slow starter this year. Seems to take a qtr to warm into it. Mind you we could say that about the team as a whole.
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Snip :banghead :banghead
Finally warning - keep your personal fueds off the forum and stick to the topic without the insults
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Listens to advice
"Better to ignore a fool than encourage one"
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Anyway back to the topic ...
Here's Martin's 5 goals :thumbsup
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/365441/martins-high-five/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s6Zf9tFeVQ&feature=player_profilepage
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Snip :banghead :banghead
Finally warning - keep your personal fueds off the forum and stick to the topic without the insults
No worries WP , just don't like seeing I HATE JACK RIEWOLDT on a tiger fan forum. If Magpiemonk posts it again I'll call him on it again
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Thought this was a dusty Martin thread and seeing he tore it up on the weekend was looking forward to some posters highlights of his game. Oh well.....
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Snip!
Thought this was a dusty Martin thread and seeing he tore it up on the weekend was looking forward to some posters highlights of his game. Oh well.....
Well said. This topic is about Dustin Martin ppl!
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Yesterday wasn't a great birthday present but Dusty turns 20 today :birthday
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Yesterday wasn't a great birthday present but Dusty turns 20 today :birthday
Many players with tattoos these days, but I hope this wasn't Dusty, seeing as he could have been out celebrating....
9. Players in punch-ups
Word yesterday that a young lad with tatts (well, that reduces the number to about 200) got into a scrap at city nightclub at the weekend. These things happen time and again, but best it doesn't.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tackle
:pray
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One thing l dont like hearing from the senior players on footy programs is how they all bang the drums how tuff Martin is, How strong he fends off players. Bla Bla Bla, everyone gets takin out at some stage. He will probably bounce back up :lol ;D but it worries me
Too much preasure put on a young footballer. Only a matter of time before someone going to line him up & hurt him because there is too much focus on him. It only takes a player with the mentality of Campbell Brown who wants to get noticed just that little bit more cause his not playing well. It happened to Freo's Ballantyne but that prick deserves it
Gut feelings thats going to happen against the Cheaters this week ;D & the Suns. l hope that Tuck is there to protect him & the other teammates protect our mids. Every week l see players going after Cotch. Kingy has also been a target.
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Our gun mids need to string a few games together.
They have been good for the most part and have been the difference in some games but they need to string 4 or 5 games together in succession. Martin has been great but he did not have much impact on Saturday and Nathan Jones showed him up on Saturday. Consistency.
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It's something that comes with age too, Tucker.
Melbourne have Jones and Mollony in the middle. We rely too heavily on youth. We need more out of older players like Jackson and Grigg.
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And it will come Willy I just hope its sooner rather than later. By 22 I'm hoping these kids are on over 25 possies are game week in and out rather than a great game hear quiet the next week and a good game there.
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The young man was down at the local oval tonight with a mate, training for about 2 hours under lights in the cold.
No worries about his dedication.
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Midfielder who kicks goals and produce the goods when needed are priceless. Dusty is one of those. Sheer class both the curving grubber in the 3rd qtr against the run of play and then standing up in the tackle and kicking a beauty in the last :bow. He had the trademark don't argue going a few times in traffic too :thumbsup.
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Dusty shows strength and skill :thumbsup
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/382353/martin+shows+strength+and+skill/Default.aspx
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Just knew Martin was going win the last 1/4 forward line contest
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Freak.
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Another very solid contribution from Dustin.
Would have to be in top 5 for the B&F.
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We really did get the number one pick out those three with this lad. He is just great to watch.
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We really did get the number one pick out those three with this lad. He is just great to watch.
He is a FOOTBALLER :thumbsup
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What are the other two? Gynecologists?
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What are the other two? Gynecologists?
Footballer first as opposed to athletes first footballer 2nd.
Dusty has more footy smarts
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only when he plays on instinct WP.
He's not exactly a thinking footballer, a keeper none the less though
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C'mon Al. The guy plays like a veteran and he is been in the system for what 2 years? He might not fit the profile of an Oxford scholar but neither does 90% or more of the population despite what they may see in the mirror.
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Another player who has to work harder on defence when in the midfield. When it comes to running hard into defensive positions when the opposition break our zone/press, he's not leading the chasing pack very ofter.
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Has been great for us. Needs some more consistency and rack up the big numbers win lose or draw rather than Dusty has a real good game and we win.
With experience I hope the kid has big games against the big clubs.
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Dusty has a real good game and we win.
That appears to be the case. Not bad when a kid can have such a huge influence on the result. Defensively he needs to work harder no doubt.
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C'mon Al. The guy plays like a veteran and he is been in the system for what 2 years? He might not fit the profile of an Oxford scholar but neither does 90% or more of the population despite what they may see in the mirror.
not basing that on martin the individual, but martin the footballer. learnt a long time ago not to confuse the individual and his football ability.
Most of the good stuff he does is seems to be on instinct rather than smart decision making.
In a way it's the nature of the beast. He's at his best when he surges, using strength to break free which causes an adrenalin rush which basically means you are running on instinct
as others have said, when he plays well, we play well, but i think it's more specifically when he kicks goals we go close to winning. Instinctual players are normally at their best around goals.
Dimma said something about how he'd try to explain something to martin and martin just looks at him as if to say just let me go play footy. :laugh:
Wasn't a critisim of the kid though owl.
if we could just put concas head on martins body.......
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if we could just put concas head on martins body.......
We'd have a ranga with neck tatts ;D
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:lol
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What are the other two? Gynecologists?
Proctologists
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C'mon Al. The guy plays like a veteran and he is been in the system for what 2 years? He might not fit the profile of an Oxford scholar but neither does 90% or more of the population despite what they may see in the mirror.
not basing that on martin the individual, but martin the footballer. learnt a long time ago not to confuse the individual and his football ability.
Not enough of that thought process occurs unfortunately!
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What are the other two? Gynecologists?
Proctologists
I saw a proctologist the other day. What confused me most about the examination was when he put both hands on my shoulders...
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Footballer first as opposed to athletes first footballer 2nd.
Trengove is totally footballer first, athlete second. Look-out when he gets a few pre-seasons into him and builds his athleticism. He didn't play seniors in the SANFL finals as a 17yr old because he was a good runner.
Scully was certainly the better athlete of the three as a junior, but he's also got a good brain on him.
All three are good 'footballers' if you ask me. Naturals.
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I agree, but I reckon we lucked in. Martin has strength, skill, courage and I don't doubt the others do too. Scully looks to need a few more years of physical development imo. Trengove has stood up under the physicality a lot better and does have some great skills too but honesty I wouldn't change a thing. Dusty was perfect. I am not looking in envy and saying if only except perhaps if we got our priority ...
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No way am I looking at the other two in envy
Martin :bow
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Goes without saying Dustin Is a beast. He is superior to the melbourne lads but tengrove is still a fine footballer. And i'd cream myself if scully was added to our midfield group.
His gut runnig and solid professional way of going about it would be almost the perfect compliment to our group.
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Let the bodies hit the floor
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Prior to the draft I had Trengove as the best of the three. If he had slipped to our pick 3 I wouldn't have cared although Dusty complements Cotch whereas Trengove is similar to Cotch in the way they play. The one question mark I had over Scully was his size being smaller than Dusty and Trengove but right now it's that knee problem which is the main concern.
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Dusty sure knows how to be a matchwinner when he goes forward. Two goals in the last plus that amazing soccer chip to Vickery. His footysmarts are just so instinctive.
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Dusty, very strong in core. Couple of times today, he was tackled pretty well. He stood up in the tackles and eventually broke away. Impressive!
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Should play on instinct all the time. That soccer kick to Vix just reminded me of his tap in from Nahas cross against Nought. Brilliant stuff.
Glad we got Dusty.
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Defensive Dusty still a gem
By Max Phillips
7:24 PM Sun 28 Aug, 2011
HE DIDN'T kick a swag of goals or collect a pile of possessions, but Dustin Martin was still among Richmond's best in the Tigers' 22-point victory over Adelaide on Sunday afternoon.
Martin, in his second year of AFL, has averaged 22 possessions and kicked 31 goals this season, and is quickly making a name as one of the most damaging and exciting young midfielders in the competition.
But it was a different Dustin Martin on display against the notoriously hard-running Crows.
Martin's performance showed maturity, leadership and selflessness beyond his years as the 20-year-old Tiger steered Richmond to victory after the Tigers trailed by as much as 24 points during the opening term.
Martin still managed to gather 19 possessions and boot two goals, but it was his defensive pressure that brought adulation from Richmond coach Damien Hardwick.
"Offensively, 'Dusty' can play there's no doubt - he's got that ability to press forward," Hardwick said.
"But the thing we've really been pleased with is his ability to tackle and chase.
"We sat down with him and showed him a few players and how they measure their game on it (tackling pressure) and funnily enough, if you get your defensive game right, your offensive game certainly follows."
On Sunday, Martin laid nine tackles, the second highest of his career, had five clearances and three score-assists.
"He's going to be a very, very good footy player for this club for a long time," Hardwick said.
Martin revealed that the defensive aspect of his game has been a focus for improvement in recent weeks.
"It's something that I've been poor at throughout the year," Martin told afl.com.au.
"I probably haven't been laying enough tackles as a midfielder so I've really been working at that in the last month."
Martin said that it was an improved desire for the contest that was behind the Tigers' recent return to form culminating in three consecutive wins.
"Our intensity and physicality has been really good and that's what we've been focusing on," he said.
"Winning the one-on-ones and winning the contested ball - that's what we're after."
The Tigers' brave win will give Richmond supporters plenty to look forward to at Punt Road as 2012 approaches, with just one assignment remaining this season against North Melbourne next Sunday afternoon.
"We wanted to finish the year off strong and I think we are showing that," Martin said.
"We're not going to give up towards the end of the season - we're going to play some really good footy and build momentum into next year.
"We'll come out firing next week."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122105/default.aspx
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I noticed both Nahas and Edwards employ the rugby style fend off that Dusty uses to break free of a tackler in front of them. Good to see they are learning from each other. It is a good skill, if you have some momentum or good strength it puts em off balance momentarily if u hit them right and u buy yourself some time to dispose of the pill or break free. If like Nahas your smaller, all he does is bounce off but it still stops him getting hold.
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You've got to laugh at some of the crap Sheeds come up with :wallywink
Comment From Con
Are you a little sad Sheeds that you couldn't grab Dustin Martin? Money talks but this kid's loyalty speaks far louder than Scully's mismanaged move
Kevin Sheedy:
Dustin Martin might not always stay at Richmond. People forget that clubs trade players when they want to, and what's happening now is players are choosing to leave when they want to more often.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/anger-as-tom-scully-takes-money-and-runs/story-fn69a32t-1226135186228
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What he said is true. But it didn't answer the question of Martin being loyal for not wanting to move when by his own admission players are choosing to leave more often. So that speaks even more of his loyalty.
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(http://c0014014.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com/x2_8fe83a8)
http://lockerz.com/s/150897576
mitch farmer twitter| mitchF15
"Just cruzin with my boy @DustinMartin4 #winners"
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LMAO Mitch Farmer,sucking up to the Good players behinds so he gets to stuff the club for another year
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I'm tipping Dusty doesn't even know Mitch Farmer's name.
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FootyTragic twitter
"After returning to training out of shape last year, Dustin Martin is looking great this preseason, running a PB time round the Tan yesterday"
:thumbsup
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From Jack Riewoldt's twitter tonight:
"@DustinMartin4 hey mate just found out you middle name is Lawrence that's pretty funny!! #funnymiddlenames"
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I'm tipping Dusty doesn't even know Mitch Farmer's name.
:laugh:
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Dusty has gone the romper stomper :thumbsup :bow:
http://twitter.com/Danconnors19/status/151572722399461376/photo/1/large
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Dusty has gone the romper stomper :thumbsup :bow:
http://twitter.com/Danconnors19/status/151572722399461376/photo/1/large
A few players have gone the No.1 at the barber
"RT @shaungrigg6: the #towballbrothers are @BrettDeledio03 @DustinMartin4 ,rancy,Kingy,@abrowne34, addam maric. Big Tommy D is next!"
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC
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If Dusty was an interior designer he'd be a minimalist. TV, stereo, couch and Air/Con is all you need ;D.
(https://p.twimg.com/AihLfrBCAAAyRNW.jpg)
https://twitter.com/#!/DustinMartin4/status/155457194635165697/photo/1
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total genius split system right over the telly....
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Dusty has gone the romper stomper :thumbsup :bow:
http://twitter.com/Danconnors19/status/151572722399461376/photo/1/large
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403059_10150521853838276_298686323275_8821143_148328706_n.jpg)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150521853838276&set=a.10150521851783276.399025.298686323275&type=3&l=edd46f6a7f&theater
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If Dusty was an interior designer he'd be a minimalist. TV, stereo, couch and Air/Con is all you need ;D.
(https://p.twimg.com/AihLfrBCAAAyRNW.jpg)
https://twitter.com/#!/DustinMartin4/status/155457194635165697/photo/1
Krak also went through a minimalist period....."Four Walls, Wash Basin, Prison Bed" ;D
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Spartan Martin.
Daxos: I see I was wrong to expect Sparta's commitment to at least match our own.
King Leonidas: Doesn't it?
[points to Arcadian soldier behind Daxos]
King Leonidas: You there, what is your profession?
Free Greek-Potter: I am a potter... sir.
King Leonidas: [points to another soldier] And you, Arcadian, what is your profession?
Free Greek-Sculptor: Sculptor, sir.
King Leonidas: Sculptor.
[turns to a third soldier]
King Leonidas: You?
Free Greek-Blacksmith: Blacksmith.
King Leonidas: [turns back shouting] Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: WAR! WAR! WAR!
King Leonidas: [turning to Daxos] You see, old friend? I brought more soldiers than you did.
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Dream Team builder: Dustin Martin
Source: BigPond Sport
Wednesday, January 11, 2012
2012 position: midfielder/forward
2012 price: $442,500
Bye: round 13
Last year's average: 89.5
Last year's high score: 141 (round 5)
Four reasons to have him in your team
1) In 2011, just his second AFL season, Martin finished third in the Tigers' best and fairest behind Trent Cotchin and Brett Deledio. Granted, this tells a tale about Richmond's depth, but it also speaks volumes about a player whose trajectory at the top level looks like the flight path of Apollo 11. For Dream Teamers Martin offers durability, having played 43 of 44 possible games in his first two seasons. He's also a player who can rack up the points in midfield and drift forward to bolster his score by kicking goals.
2) He's leaner. This time last year, the young Tiger fronted for pre-season only to receive a bollocking from coach Damien Hardwick for returning unfit. In Richmond's traditional training run around the Tan, Martin struggled at the back of the pack. He completed the rest of his pre-season in the group set aside for plus-sized Tigers aiming to lose weight. This year he has stuck to the club's prescribed program, improved his diet, shed a couple of kilograms and reaped the rewards. He matched Deledio in the latest edition of the Tan run, sprinting home sixth overall.
3) He's meaner. Not only has Martin trimmed down to 88kg - just shy of what he says is his fighting weight of 87kg - he's replaced puppy fat with muscle. If opponents feared his famous 'don't argue' last season, running into Martin in 2012 is going to be like hip-and-shouldering a W-class tram. That should mean yet more contested footy, and an improvement on his 2011 average of 22 disposals per game.
4) Last year Martin averaged a tick under 90 Dream Team points, which is less than you would be expecting from a player filling one of your six precious midfield spots. Fortunately, in 2012 he can also be selected in your forward line. That's largely due to the 33 goals Martin kicked in 2011, up from 11 in his debut season. The Tigers will use him primarily as a midfielder this year, while the length of time he spends resting up forward will be determined by both the Tigers' needs and Martin's horsepower. Given Martin is completing his best pre-season to date and has a year's more experience under his tightened belt, there's reason to believe he will spend more time in the centre than ever.
The downside?
They don't give out Dream Team points for don't argues. Former Richmond coach Danny Frawley has compared Martin with Mark Ricciuto – another goalkicking midfielder who made his name as a hard man. While that's flattering for any young footballer, the comparison dampens the excitement for Dream Team coaches. In 2006, statistically Ricciuto's most prolific year, the Adelaide champion's Dream Team average was just short of 100.
Risk rating: The chief concern for potential owners is that Martin may spend more time knocking players off the ball and recuperating in the forward line than he does racking up Dream Team points. One Alan Didak.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/dream-team-builder-dustin-martin/tabid/91/newsid/82393/default.aspx
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READY TO FIRE
A FITTER and leaner Dustin Martin is ready to take the competition "by the scruff of the neck".
That's the view of Richmond teammate Shaun Grigg, who has watched Martin excel over the summer.
Martin started the pre-season by cutting more than a minute off his best time around the 3.8km Tan track and has not let up since.
"He's fit and firing and I think he'll take the competition by the scruff of the neck this year," Grigg said. "He's got a lot leaner ... so we should be able to see the benefits of a bit more (time in the) midfield, and he can also go forward, as we've seen."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nathan-brown-leaves-collingwood-facing-a-tall-order/story-fn7eccwx-1226273175014
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Tiger cub Martin is primed to join elite
Matt Murnane
February 17, 2012
THOSE watching Richmond's Dustin Martin on a daily basis say the 20-year-old will take the competition by storm this year.
Having shed the ''puppy fat'' he carried through his first two seasons, Martin has made it his mission to join the game's elite midfielders this year.
''He's been one of the strongest trainers on the track all pre-season,'' teammate Shaun Grigg said yesterday. ''He's fit and firing and I think he will take the competition by the scruff of the neck this year.''
Martin played under an intense spotlight during his first two seasons, but this summer has relished the chance to fly under the radar and complete his most thorough pre-season yet - with minimal media attention.
''He didn't come back in great shape after his first season of AFL,'' Tigers midfield coach Danny Daly said yesterday.
''But this [time] he didn't really go away or do any holidays or anything like that, he virtually started straight after last season finished.
''He hasn't lost any weight as such, but he's lost that puppy fat that he had and has put on a bit of bulk, which will help him through the midfield and when he goes forward. The times and the distance he's running in some of our testing is way up on last year.''
Martin, a No. 3 draft pick, backed up a stunning debut season in 2010 by playing every game in 2011 and finishing third in the Tigers' best and fairest award. He was second for kicks, third in hard-ball gets, fourth in tackles and kicked 33 goals - third most at the club.
Daly said he could sense the clever ball-winner, who has shown he can also be explosive as an outside runner and a dangerous marking option inside 50, was ready to explode.
''Hopefully for the Tiger faithful, and ourselves, it is the year he does that,'' he said. ''I think if we see another 10 or 15 per cent [improvement] on last year, we're going to have a genuine A-grader playing for us.''
Daly has spent much of the pre-season trying to turn Martin into the complete package, hoping to add a strong defensive component to his game. ''It's probably been a little area that hasn't been a great strength of his, but he's certainly improved.
''We know he can win the footy and offensively he's pretty good, when he goes forward he kicks goals. But we just needed to work on his ability to read the play and know when to go back, and when not to.''
Martin averaged about 70 per cent game time last year, but his enhanced fitness will allow him to lift that to 80 per cent this season, Daly said.
He will benefit greatly from having players such as Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio and Nathan Foley around him, and the extra season and summer the club's talented midfield have had to develop. But Daly still expects Martin to be a target of opposition teams this year. ''There's no doubt he's going to get tagged a lot more this year, so I'm looking forward to seeing how he handles those situations, and hopefully helping us develop into a top-eight side.''
Daly described the midfield group as intensely competitive, and said Martin and company had raised the bar this pre-season.
''When we do some stoppage stuff out here [at training], if one of them gets beaten at a contest, it gets very ugly the next time.
''We keep a scoreboard on a lot of things and they don't like being on the bottom, let me tell you.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-cub-martin-is-primed-to-join-elite-20120216-1tbvx.html#ixzz1mYDVB9D3
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Pressure on the kid or what...... :banghead
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I dunno bout you wat wat but I don't see him showing any signs of pressure, he is one cool cat.
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Come on WAT "No excuses" remember .... or are conditions now being applied ;D
I dunno bout you wat wat but I don't see him showing any signs of pressure, he is one cool cat.
:thumbsup owl
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Dusty and JAck have that excitment factor that few other players in our team can generate. Hard not to get caught up in the Martin Hype at this stage of the year. Hope he tear the comp a new one!
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Come on WAT "No excuses" remember .... or are conditions now being applied ;D
I dunno bout you wat wat but I don't see him showing any signs of pressure, he is one cool cat.
:thumbsup owl
like your take on that quote WP.
some are up and down like pogo stick.
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Come on WAT "No excuses" remember .... or are conditions now being applied ;D
I dunno bout you wat wat but I don't see him showing any signs of pressure, he is one cool cat.
:thumbsup owl
like your take on that quote WP.
some are up and down like pogo stick.
Owl sees everything from the top of the barn 8)
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go Owl ;D
(http://bikefriendlydeepellum.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/photo2.jpg?w=500&h=375)
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Miss owl obviously enjoys a bike ride judging by her big brown smile.
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There's been a one-third improvement in Dusty's running capacity according to the Club :thumbsup.
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Miss owl obviously enjoys a bike ride judging by her big brown smile.
Bit slow today! just got that one! :rollin :lol :rollin
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There's been a one-third improvement in Dusty's running capacity according to the Club :thumbsup.
thats quite incredible and scary for opposition clubs. makes me lol even more when you hear dumbnut draft experts saying he has less upside than players like scully and trengove....hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
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There's been a one-third improvement in Dusty's running capacity according to the Club :thumbsup.
Good news.
He'll need it if he's to spend more time in the midfield this season.
Also hopefully helps with the defensive aspects of his game which were lacking last year.
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There's been a one-third improvement in Dusty's running capacity according to the Club :thumbsup.
thats quite incredible and scary for opposition clubs. makes me lol even more when you hear dumbnut draft experts saying he has less upside than players like scully and trengove....hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
Great post TM :thumbsup
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....hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
:lol
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hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
:lol
going to be a lot of accidental sword crossing at the punt road end this year ;D
whoa 'scuse me mate :shh
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From aflstatsnerd twitter ...
"Dustin Martin in 2011 became the youngest ever player to average 20+ disposals and kick 30 goals in a season."
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hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
:lol
going to be a lot of accidental sword crossing at the punt road end this year ;D
whoa 'scuse me mate :shh
:lol They might have to make mandatory that all male members have to purchase two seats. ;D
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hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
:lol
going to be a lot of accidental sword crossing at the punt road end this year ;D
whoa 'scuse me mate :shh
:lol They might have to make mandatory that all male members have to purchase two seats. ;D
Theres marketing potential for a new membership category.
'Punt Road Peyronie's'. Buy two seats side by side and get a free resting cushion.
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hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
:lol
going to be a lot of accidental sword crossing at the punt road end this year ;D
whoa 'scuse me mate :shh
:lol They might have to make mandatory that all male members have to purchase two seats. ;D
Theres marketing potential for a new membership category.
'Punt Road Peyronie's'. Buy two seats side by side and get a free resting cushion.
:rollin
And when "something" rests on the cushion it triggers a built in speaker which shouts "Eat Em Alive!!" ;D
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hmmmm 30% increase on running capacity in one preseason suggests this demigod has no ceiling :bow
I have wood
:lol
going to be a lot of accidental sword crossing at the punt road end this year ;D
whoa 'scuse me mate :shh
:lol They might have to make mandatory that all male members have to purchase two seats. ;D
Theres marketing potential for a new membership category.
'Punt Road Peyronie's'. Buy two seats side by side and get a free resting cushion.
:rollin
And when "something" rests on the cushion it triggers a built in speaker which shouts "Eat Em Alive!!" ;D
:cheers
Great idea Tiga! Silver members and above could even be entitled to a special 'kneading' cushion. Everytime Dusty gets a touch, two inbuilt rollers remotely activate.
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:lol :rollin :lol
That whole conversation is p-funny on so many levels!
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:lol :lol :lol
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Classic! I have front row so no-one gets poked in the head.
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I'm not sure it's safe that me and my anaconda come to round 1 now.
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I'm not sure it's safe that me and my anaconda come to round 1 now.
For those "Punt Road Peyronie's" with recalcitrant Anacondas, Skilled snake charmers equipped with adhesive ducting will be on hand to ensure that all MCG OH&S policies are adhered to. ;D
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So that's why we are so keen to get the Indians on board
Dick wizards
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And if it gets damaged there is always Dick Smith to hammer it back into shape.
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And if it gets damaged there is always Dick Smith to hammer it back into shape.
Nice work Owl :lol :lol :lol
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Lawl ;D
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Dook's I think you and I need to go on the road with this. Or at least start a Wednesday night TV chat show. :thumbsup ;D
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I thought you'd done that already with puppetry of the penis?
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small show :lol
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We will call it "The Cold Water Experience" with tiga & Dooks. ;D
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Ch 10 news just showed some highlights from today's game. Dusty just makes things including 9-point goals from inside the centre square look so easy :bow.
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Vision of Dusty's supergoal today
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/429297/Martin%20kicks%20a%20supergoal/
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Lids interviewing Dusty in the rooms after the game...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/429318/In%20the%20rooms:%20Lids%20and%20Dusty/
Martin highlights ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/429306/Martin%20highlight%20package/
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Lids interviewing Dusty in the rooms after the game...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/429318/In%20the%20rooms:%20Lids%20and%20Dusty/
Martin highlights ...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/429306/Martin%20highlight%20package/
How can you not love Dusty. Even for a harmless interview by Deledio, Dusty just doesnt give a flying f$%^. The bloke just wants to smash bodies, kick goals and have a win. Love him.
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
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Dusty = God
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
that would make your wife a man....
:lol
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But seriously, this chap has the potential to be anything. Anything.....
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
that would make your wife a man....
:lol
Would make her a lesbian, Slick Wilbur. :shh
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
that would make your wife a man....
:lol
Would make her a lesbian, Slick Wilbur. :shh
:rollin
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Bed time now mate. Not going to lie to your mum if she asks what you were up to tonight...
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Bed time now mate. Not going to lie to your mum if she asks what you were up to tonight...
she knows...
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
what a stuffing ridiculous thing to say
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
that would make your wife a man....
:lol
Would make her a lesbian, Slick Wilbur. :shh
I'm glad someone understood the gist of it... she was inferring I was a girl hence she was a lesbo :whistle
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My favorite was his tackle, casually drops the geezer, rips the ball up and runs off to kick a goal. Need two opposition on him to make it a 50/50 for the ball lol.
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
that would make your wife a man....
:lol
Would make her a lesbian, Slick Wilbur. :shh
I'm glad someone understood the gist of it... she was inferring I was a girl hence she was a lesbo :whistle
Oh,i can comprehend it.
I am actually a fan of your posts usually but this one was just dumb as horse cheese
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This kid has announced his intentions for the year.
Will become a superstar and a household name by the end of 2012 like your Franklins, Judds and your Pendleburys.
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howmany Franklins, Judds and Pendlebury's are there?
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;D
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I told my wife to be, no offence i would turn for dusty, she replied so would I :shh
that would make your wife a man....
:lol
Would make her a lesbian, Slick Wilbur. :shh
I'm glad someone understood the gist of it... she was inferring I was a girl hence she was a lesbo :whistle
Oh,i can comprehend it.
I am actually a fan of your posts usually but this one was just dumb as horse
:lol, it was a tongue in cheek comment, I'll wear it
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it was more disappointment in a peer than anything. :scream
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Just a wrecking ball with the ability to be brutal and delicate at the same time. All class. :thumbsup
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From Robbo's 'The Tackle' ...
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE NAB CUP
1. Dustin Martin
Elite strength. Elite ball user. Minimum fuss footballer. The young man who said he was born to play AFL has had a spanking pre-season competition and he's set impose himself even more on games. A club official said Martin had improved his gut-running by up to 30 per cent over summer. Martin/Cotchin could be Woodward/Bernstein of the AFL.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/why-carlton-can-win-the-premiership/story-fn5937w8-1226296657546
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Just had $20 on Dusty to win the brownlow at $51. :laugh:
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Just had $20 on Dusty to win the brownlow at $51. :laugh:
$51. He was sitting on about $67 last week before his BOG against Geelong.
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Just had $20 on Dusty to win the brownlow at $51. :laugh:
$51. He was sitting on about $67 last week before his BOG against Geelong.
Oh well it was either pour petrol or take the punt.
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Dave Astbury has posted the following tribute to Dusty pic on twitter ....
(https://p.twimg.com/AoTbfmMCMAEeo8v.jpg)
https://twitter.com/#!/dastbury12/status/181511220870918144/photo/1
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Good ol' Damian Barrett had to try and make a big deal out of Dusty switching management from Phoenix (Nixon's old company) to someone else. He said the 'why' will become clear in a couple of weeks and then left it at that ::).
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Maybe because Nixon has a wedding to plan in Moe?
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Good ol' Damian Barrett had to try and make a big deal out of Dusty switching management from Phoenix (Nixon's old company) to someone else. He said the 'why' will become clear in a couple of weeks and then left it at that ::).
Maybe his changing to get some of the commission the(manager) is going to get from Bastinac's big pay day from GWS.
From my understand his changing to the same manager who handles Bastinac? nothing story really.
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Changing from Nixon? Geez hasn't everyone?
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Robbo gets stuck into Dusty today in his 'The Tackle' article. Says Dusty needed to kick that goal which would've put us just a point behind. Momentum is a key part of footy and if he had kicked it then you don't what could've happened. Robbo then added that Dusty multiplied that mistake by not chasing Yarran on his way to kicking that goal. We laud Dusty when he runs one way so fair enough to bag him. He needs work hard and run hard to both ways. Not the first time this has been a criticism of Martin.
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Ffs Martin ran so hard to make position to kick that goal...he was blowing so hard that is hy he missed.. He was spent...and ffs his efforts twice got us back in the game...robbo is a fat pig and has no stuffing idea... And ffs yarran went out of bounds.. The only thing that was proved on Thursday night is that we r still.mentally weak and drop our heads to easy
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I wouldn't be too concerned about what robbo says anymore...
Easy for him to criticise richmond, his team lost on the weekend and like any good filth supporter is shifting focus to another team.
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Robbo hasn't said anything that hasnt been discussed here. Does the truth hurt us that much or is it a case we're the only ones allowed to be critical ?
We had the momentum when Dusty lined up for that goal, it needed to be kicked, good players nail them. It was a massive miss for us in the context of the game; fact. To say he was "spent" as he took the kick is a pretty poor excuse
And think everyone would agree his "non" chase on Yarran was terrible (and that's being kind); it was a very veery poor effort. Again costly. That the ball ended up being over the line is a non issue because that had absolutely no bearing on the chase or in this case non chase
Did both things cost us the game? No but they were 2 of the biggest game changes in that last quarter
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Our midfielders in general don't run hard enough into defensive positions. That's one of the reasons why our defenders get caught out. We typically never have that extra get-out option. Too many of our mids are running three quarter pace when the opposition are streaming forwards with the ball.
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I wouldn't be too concerned about what robbo says anymore...
Easy for him to criticise richmond, his team lost on the weekend and like any good filth supporter is shifting focus to another team.
Robbo's team won and were lucky to do so. Robbo=ess.
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I wouldn't be too concerned about what robbo says anymore...
Easy for him to criticise richmond, his team lost on the weekend and like any good filth supporter is shifting focus to another team.
Robbo's team won and were lucky to do so. Robbo=ess.
Really? I was always under the impression he was pies...
My apologies, if he dropped that idgaf attitude he might be an alright journo
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HIGHER EXPECTATIONS
Mark Robinson
The Tackle - Herald-Sun
02 April 2012
Hope Dustin Martin likes reading, for he should have a crack at the 2012 Champion Data Prospectus.
It states: "We all admire his ability to break a tackle, but he needs to improve when applying physical pressure himself, recording the worst tackling efficiency of any Richmond midfielder last season.''
It's probably the first public criticism of Martin since he bullocked his way into the Richmond team.
The second lot of public criticism came after the Tigers capitulated in the last quarter to Carlton last Thursday night.
His missed shot for goal, which would've put the Tigers within a point in the last quarter, was disappointing for a young man with a golden right foot. Yet it was his less than enthusiastic chase down of Carlton's Chris Yarran that drew the most attention.
Twice he thought Yarran was going to kick the ball and twice Yarran didn't and twice Martin was going through the motions with his chasing.
It's an area of his game that needs attention.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mark-robinson-geelong-was-arrogant-selfish-and-stupid-against-fremantle/story-fn5937w8-1226315830868
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Robbo hasn't said anything that hasnt been discussed here. Does the truth hurt us that much or is it a case we're the only ones allowed to be critical ?
We had the momentum when Dusty lined up for that goal, it needed to be kicked, good players nail them. It was a massive miss for us in the context of the game; fact. To say he was "spent" as he took the kick is a pretty poor excuse
And think everyone would agree his "non" chase on Yarran was terrible (and that's being kind); it was a very veery poor effort. Again costly. That the ball ended up being over the line is a non issue because that had absolutely no bearing on the chase or in this case non chase
Did both things cost us the game? No but they were 2 of the biggest game changes in that last quarter
have to agree, the chase down as put by Robbo was spot on.
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HIGHER EXPECTATIONS
Mark Robinson
The Tackle - Herald-Sun
02 April 2012
Hope Dustin Martin likes reading, for he should have a crack at the 2012 Champion Data Prospectus.
It states: "We all admire his ability to break a tackle, but he needs to improve when applying physical pressure himself, recording the worst tackling efficiency of any Richmond midfielder last season.''
It's probably the first public criticism of Martin since he bullocked his way into the Richmond team.
The second lot of public criticism came after the Tigers capitulated in the last quarter to Carlton last Thursday night.
His missed shot for goal, which would've put the Tigers within a point in the last quarter, was disappointing for a young man with a golden right foot. Yet it was his less than enthusiastic chase down of Carlton's Chris Yarran that drew the most attention.
Twice he thought Yarran was going to kick the ball and twice Yarran didn't and twice Martin was going through the motions with his chasing.
It's an area of his game that needs attention.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mark-robinson-geelong-was-arrogant-selfish-and-stupid-against-fremantle/story-fn5937w8-1226315830868
Nothing wrong with that. All factually accurate. Tackling efficiency is a good stat, I bet we're well down the table as a team in that stat and, as he points out, Dusty is our worst midfielder despite his strength that he shows when he has the ball.
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Robbo hasn't said anything that hasnt been discussed here. Does the truth hurt us that much or is it a case we're the only ones allowed to be critical ?
We had the momentum when Dusty lined up for that goal, it needed to be kicked, good players nail them. It was a massive miss for us in the context of the game; fact. To say he was "spent" as he took the kick is a pretty poor excuse
Being spent has lots to do with it.... Disco roach was on send lazy week discussing this.... Saying Richie and nick riewoldt missed many goals due to the fact they ran themselves to the ground... Fatigue does effect your kicking... Rich said he was so good of a kick because Royce hart helped him but more important he never kicked.tired... You all seem to forget how hard Martin ran prior to that kick ... He ain't superman
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Our midfielders in general don't run hard enough into defensive positions. That's one of the reasons why our defenders get caught out. We typically never have that extra get-out option. Too many of our mids are running three quarter pace when the opposition are streaming forwards with the ball.
So true, so very very true
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Robbo hasn't said anything that hasnt been discussed here. Does the truth hurt us that much or is it a case we're the only ones allowed to be critical ?
We had the momentum when Dusty lined up for that goal, it needed to be kicked, good players nail them. It was a massive miss for us in the context of the game; fact. To say he was "spent" as he took the kick is a pretty poor excuse
Being spent has lots to do with it.... Disco roach was on send lazy week discussing this.... Saying Richie and nick riewoldt missed many goals due to the fact they ran themselves to the ground... Fatigue does effect your kicking... Rich said he was so good of a kick because Royce hart helped him but more important he never kicked.tired... You all seem to forget how hard Martin ran prior to that kick ... He ain't superman
nick riewoldt if fragile mentally. all players have to overcome the fatigue factor when kicking. the good ones overcome it.
The main critisim is not just that one poor kick, but martins lack of intensity when chasing and tackling. for someone who is so strong he tackles like a timid child.
if tackled with the intensity that nahas does he would lay some serious hurt and have players second guessing, but as it is i doubt too many players would be afraid to take martin on when they have the ball. the smaller players easily avoid him and the stronger ones brush him aside.
for him to become the truly great player he has the potential to, he needs to change his mindset when we don't have the ball.
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Paul Roos says Richmond must tighten defence to defeat Collingwood
Paul Roos
From: Herald Sun
April 07, 2012
COLLINGWOOD or Richmond will be winless after tonight's game and will start to come under scrutiny.
The Magpies are harder to judge because they have had an inconsistent lead-up to the season and have many players out of the team.
The Tigers, on the other hand, have had a perfect pre-season preparation and were disappointing against the Blues last week.
The Tigers will certainly improve, yet they still have significant flaws that were exposed by the Blues last week. Their talent does not run particularly deep, and their bottom five or six players are still young and developing.
Richmond's coaching staff will be acutely aware of their weaknesses and will address them each week.
A couple of damning flaws from Round 1 were that Richmond finished with 18 fewer inside-50s than Carlton, and were well beaten at the stoppages after quarter-time.
One of the most significant problems Richmond needs to overcome is a stronger commitment to defensive transition when the game starts to slip out of its grasp.
The Tigers have some great offensive midfielders who can cut teams up, but the query remains over whether they can shut down their direct opponents.
Dustin Martin, one of the competition's best young players, continually wins contested footy and often turns games single-handedly. Unquestionably, he is an amazing talent. But he has one glaring flaw in his game. If he is not winning the ball, he has little awareness of his opponent.
It is unfair to hang out a young player to dry over one incident, but his half-hearted chase on Chris Yarran was there for all to see. To be a complete footballer, he must develop a stronger commitment to the defensive side of his game.
Martin is not alone; it is common for young players coming into AFL football. They are mostly talented, great ball winners who have concentrated purely on the offensive aspect of their game as juniors.
Martin can learn, and tonight's match at the MCG is a tremendous opportunity to further his football education by assigning him a run-with role on one of the competition's top three midfielders - Scott Pendlebury.
Taking on such a challenge would do him and the Tigers the world of good and fast-track both his and the team's development.
Clearly Martin is not going to be a run-with player throughout his career. But if he is capable of doing so at stages, it will give him and the Tigers coaching staff considerable confidence.
It would be a fascinating duel to watch, as in many ways they are similar players. Both have a great mix of an inside and outside game.
Martin could go one-on-one at stoppages and win his share; he also has the speed and endurance to match Pendlebury on the open expanses of the MCG.
If Pendlebury goes forward, Martin should go with him. Martin is a decent height for a midfielder at 187cm, only marginally shorter than the Magpie. He is good overhead and uses his body well in man-on-man marking contests.
For Tiger fans who are used to seeing Martin dominate, the assignment would not be about one game - it would be about the bigger picture and how the Tigers can develop a team capable of winning a premiership.
If Martin could keep Pendlebury to five possessions a quarter, he would have done well; if the game ended with 15 possessions apiece, it would be a massive win for Richmond.
Another player whose role is worth reviewing is Brett Deledio.
The dilemma for coach Damien Hardwick is whether Deledio can develop into an elite midfielder or best serve the team rebounding off halfback.
Richmond's ball use out of its backline can be horrible, and only Deledio and skipper Chris Newman seem capable of delivering any consistent supply to players upfield.
Unlike Martin, Deledio has a strong defensive ethic and has done some exceptional shut-down jobs on elite footballers. The coaching staff trusts him to perform a run-with role or as a terrific rebounding defender.
Can he join Martin as a genuine midfielder who can dominate and turn games through his own actions?
Deledio turns 25 this month, putting him in his prime, and I'm sure Tigers fans would like to see him dominate stoppages and kick crucial game-breaking goals.
I believe he has the capacity to consistently get hold of the ball forward of centre and be recognised as a feared midfield general, such as Gary Ablett, Chris Judd, Dane Swan or Pendlebury.
The Tigers' most well-rounded player is Trent Cotchin. He is a coach's dream, a combination of both Martin and Deledio, and has a commitment to defence and an ability to win the game off his own boot.
The Tigers' coaching staff has done an outstanding job with Cotchin.
He is capable of playing off halfback and shutting down a dangerous forward. He can perform a run-with role through the midfield, or he can completely dominate a game as an offensive player.
In Round 1 he had 27 disposals, including 11 contested possessions, eight tackles, seven clearances and two goals. He is a star.
If Hardwick can develop Martin and Deledio as well-rounded midfielders such as Cotchin, it will help set the Tigers on the path towards the top half of the ladder.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/paul-roos-says-richmond-must-tighten-defence-to-defeat-collingwood/story-fnctrk3q-1226320756688
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That a fair wrap on Lids comparing him to a Judd, Ablett etc.
It's an interesting proposition - 3 of the best mids in the comp with the right development is my take on that article.
That beats Carlton in R1 2013.
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That a fair wrap on Lids comparing him to a Judd, Ablett etc.
It's an interesting proposition - 3 of the best mids in the comp with the right development is my take on that article.
That beats Carlton in R1 2013.
The filth still have more than 3 of the best mids and their lower tier players have more of an impact than ours. Until we get more from our other mids and lower tier players and kids like Ellis, Conca, Batchelor, Helbig etc impact the game more thus forcing blokes like Jako Edwards Tuck etc on the outer permanently we will struggle.
Effort can get you somewhere but quality can take you further. Turn the effort into quality and then we can start talking about realistically beating teams like Hawthorn, filth, scums etc.
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Our midfield needs to click. When it does. It will be very good. Throw a developing Concs in there too.
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Still not at his best but better from Dusty yesterday after a quiet-ish first two rounds. Hopefully that burst out of the middle and long bomb is a sign of things to come :bow.
I did love the timing of the don't argue he gave Tom McDonald right right in front of the MCC members. The poor Dees fans there would've been crying into their red and blue tartan blankets on what could have been ;D.
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Here's the vision of Dusty's 'don't argue' from Saturday's win...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/440087/Dusty%20dont%20argue/
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this lad has some incrediable leg power. kicks 60 metres with a bent leg. :thumbsup
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Watched the first half again last night. Martin was bloody shocking!
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He played 10 times better than Trengrove thier hero or Watts happening haha
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my fave boy but im not happy this year
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He's warming up. Started to show glimpses in the second half that he is running into form. He will have a huge game soon. Hopefully this week.
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Maybe they pushed him too hard in the preseason, prehaps we should have had the Carlton approach with our midfielders instead of that game against GC where we played the lot of them....and he did only miss one game in the presseason didn't he??
He just hasn't picked up where he left off last year, I think he may have to shed a couple of kilo's more, instead of being so bulky, maybe streamlining him would speed him up a bit...just a thought.
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Maybe they pushed him too hard in the preseason, prehaps we should have had the Carlton approach with our midfielders instead of that game against GC where we played the lot of them....and he did only miss one game in the presseason didn't he??
He just hasn't picked up where he left off last year, I think he may have to shed a couple of kilo's more, instead of being so bulky, maybe streamlining him would speed him up a bit...just a thought.
I don't think speed is his issue, have a look at his burst from the middle in the 3rd.
Fitness on the other hand can be improved. Just think he is out of form at the moment, but oozes class when he gets going. :cheers
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Maybe they pushed him too hard in the preseason, prehaps we should have had the Carlton approach with our midfielders instead of that game against GC where we played the lot of them....and he did only miss one game in the presseason didn't he??
He just hasn't picked up where he left off last year, I think he may have to shed a couple of kilo's more, instead of being so bulky, maybe streamlining him would speed him up a bit...just a thought.
I don't think speed is his issue, have a look at his burst from the middle in the 3rd.
Fitness on the other hand can be improved. Just think he is out of form at the moment, but oozes class when he gets going. :cheers
Yeah would have to agree, fitness does need to improve and defensive side of his game.
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He's so good he can pull poo off without even trying.
Unfortunately this s a sign of his inherently casual nature which could be the thing that makes or breaks him.
Could be better than Judd.
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IIRC there was a comment from Dimma, i think in his after-Carlton press conference that they may have been running him too long and they would monitor his time on ground more conservatively. Suggests that either the fitness staff were asleep at the wheel or the coaching staff were not listening. Good to hear anyway and Saturday was better. Mind you it was helped a lot by the second tier standing up so well.
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yeah, i think he mentioned something about how martin doesnt take himself off when he was knackered
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Reckon he turned the corner in the second half. My money is on him having an impact this week against the cats. This kid will be one of the biggest matchwinners/gamebreakers in the afl if he keeps his head on his shoulders. From what Ive heard hes almost maniacal in his quest to keep improving both with training and learning. Off his own bat he goes and watches games live specifically to see how elite midfielders from other clubs work and where they run. Having a bad patch but he'll come good
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Just re-watched the third quarter of Dees match again on the AFL site. After Dusty kicked his running goal from outside 50, as he turned and celebrated he grabbed the guernsey to show everyone. The bloke bleeds the footy club. Tiger for life :gotigers
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The next Brad Green?
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Just re-watched the third quarter of Dees match again on the AFL site. After Dusty kicked his running goal from outside 50, as he turned and celebrated he grabbed the guernsey to show everyone. The bloke bleeds the footy club. Tiger for life :gotigers
maybe he was trying to take it off.
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The next Brad Green?
Ewk, a little bit of vomit in the back of my mouth...
Could never stand when he did that,
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The next Brad Green?
Ewk, a little bit of vomit in the back of my mouth...
Could never stand when he did that,
Like when they were 10 goals up against the suns lmfao
Reckon dusty was taking the pee out off the dee
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The next Brad Green?
Ewk, a little bit of vomit in the back of my mouth...
Could never stand when he did that,
Exactly Brad Green kicking pissy little goals when the team in 15 goals up and tugging at the emblem of a jumper is akin to watching your mates getting into a brawl and then saying did you see when we backed them into the corner and they ran off.
Brad Green = Downhill skier.
Brad Green does not have one molecule in his body similar to Dusty's.
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The next Brad Green?
Ewk, a little bit of vomit in the back of my mouth...
Could never stand when he did that,
Like when they were 10 goals up against the suns lmfao
Reckon dusty was taking the pee out off the dee
Was against the Crows in fact at the 20 minute mark of the last quarter. :ROTFL
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Just re-watched the third quarter of Dees match again on the AFL site. After Dusty kicked his running goal from outside 50, as he turned and celebrated he grabbed the guernsey to show everyone. The bloke bleeds the footy club. Tiger for life :gotigers
maybe he was trying to take it off.
Maybe he gives a dump. Surprised?
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Hope he's working on his defensive ethic.
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Hope he's working on his defensive ethic.
...and endurance
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VIDEO: Dusty interviewed in the rooms after the game ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/447048/default.aspx
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Dusty brings up his 50th on Saturday :thumbsup.
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who has had a bigger impact on us in their first 50 games.... maybe richo but thats it, rioli yes but he came with experiernce
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who has had a bigger impact on us in their first 50 games....
Richard Tambling or Aaron Fiora.
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Congratulations to him. Need a big game from him. Reckon he is just on the edge of having a massive game hopefully it is against the swans
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Martin + first two picks -> port
Richmond -> butcher
:bow :bow
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^ Rofl
:clapping Dusty
and up against Jack who is a few years ahead dev wise, great match up. Try not to hurt him too much Dustin.
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who has had a bigger impact on us in their first 50 games.... maybe richo but thats it, rioli yes but he came with experiernce
Cogga
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Yep
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who has had a bigger impact on us in their first 50 games.... maybe richo but thats it, rioli yes but he came with experiernce
Cogga
Matty Knights would be right up there. He was averaging 25 possies per game by his 3rd year (less than 50 AFL games).
Congrats to Dusty btw :thumbsup
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Ah what can i say about the kid he is just a pure talent that damages teams on the scoreboard hard to get a kid at 20 to do that dusty does it regularly when he does rotate forward. I think deledio and cotchin will be tagged pretty hard from now on they are too damaging this year (especially deledio) time to really stamp yourself buddy you are pure class and going to cause a lot of coaches sleepless nights i just worry about our salary cap further down the track the kid is going to be hard to keep after 8 years you would have to have rocks in your head not to throw the kitchen sink at him i can see the boy winning a brownlow he just is amazing especially the way he goes about life in general his attitude his non egoness ( JR you reading this? ) If and i mean if the boy stays loyal and injury free ( his karma says he will ) we are set he is a once in a generation footballer and i am in awe of what the bloke will down the track the sky is the limit for him last years 5 goal 30 odd possie haul is something he can set regularly when he hits prime . I seriously think we wont see the best of martin until Deledio or Cotchin goes down with long term injury and he will hit another level i must admit my love for ivan is huge at the moment but dustin you are the man well perhaps you and cotch :laugh:
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I seriously think we wont see the best of martin until Deledio or Cotchin goes down with long term injury and he will hit another level
Wash your stuffing mouth out you lunatic
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sheesh...you wanna see the best of martin at the expense of cotch and lids..isnt that from the Donald rumsfeld school of logic?
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expecting a injury free cotchin gerks ( actually you never said that sorry ) the way he goes in and the treatment he gets off the ball says the great man will endure a few broken bones in my eyes over the next 4 or 5 years but i do agree i am being negative but we do have to brace for injury and i fear one of our stars will cop something i still can feel the pain watching richo in his heightened powers trying to come to a sudden stop on the scg boundary do i want to relive it no will i feel that again most likely
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VIDEO: We recap the short but action-packed career of Dustin Martin and speak to the man himself
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/452829/default.aspx
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Lids is a good cook. Seems to be a bit of a leader more than I actually thought he was :-\
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Dusty's goalkicking accuracy is way off this year for some reason. Last year he kicked 33.14 (70%); this year it's 8.13 (38%). If he wants to join Cotch and Lids as A-grade status he needs to kick those momentum building gettable goals he was kicking last year.
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Yep he's missed some sitters this year which is unlike him... We all know he can kick it a mile but I've seen him completely mistime some kicks so that they barely travel 50, almost like he's trying to kick it too hard, no timing
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Catch 22: Footy's greatest trademarks
Warwick Green
From: Herald Sun
May 31, 2012
There are certain footballers you equate with a move, a style, a moment. They are so synonymous with some aspect of their football career that it becomes their signature move or look.
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/05/30/1226372/158415-dustin-martin.jpg)
15. DUSTIN MARTIN'S FEND-OFF
They call it the don't argue, and it is a move more frequently associated with rugby league than Australian football. Ever since he burst on to the scene, Richmond's Dustin Martin has had a tendency to stiff-arm the chest of approaching tacklers, often leaving them lying on the turf as he departs the scene. His coach, Damien Hardwick, told SuperFooty in 2010: "Probably the one thing he does do too much of is when he's out in space he'll actually go looking for the contact to give that don't argue sometimes.''
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/gallery-e6frf9o6-1226372175233?page=15
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Dusty is straight up choking that gimp out! :lol
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He's a tough man to tackle if he knows your coming. Just too strong with his don't argues and twist of the hips. He finds time space in congested situations through strength rather than by dodgy tactics like dropping the head and playing for a free. Its why he will always be a crucial part of our midfield.
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Ralph Carr drives new deal for Dustin Martin
Mark Stevens, Jon Ralph
From: Sunday Herald Sun
June 03, 2012
EMERGING Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has switched management groups, with key contract talks looming on the horizon.
The 90 days Martin was forced to serve in limbo after leaving the Phoenix group expired this week and he has joined Travis Cloke at Ralph Carr Management's sports division.
Martin's Tigers contract, struck by Ricky Nixon before his client list was taken over by Phoenix, runs out at the end of next season.
Richmond is believed to be keen to get moving on a new deal, possibly as long as five years to match the length of Brett Deledio's contract.
But it is unlikely his new agent RCM Sport will be rushed given the potential upside for Martin and the Tigers at the back end of the season.
RCM Sport is also working on endorsement deals for Martin, with the midfielder telling the Sunday Herald Sun: "They have shown total commitment to me and all aspects of my career.
"I am very excited about my future being a part of Ralph's team."
Long-term deals are back in vogue, underlined again this week by Bomber Patrick Ryder signing for four years, and Martin is hot property.
Carr said of Martin's arrival: "We are thrilled to be representing Dustin who, at 20 years of age, looks poised to be a superstar of the game."
Martin was the Tigers' first selection (No.3) in the 2009 draft and finished third in Richmond's best and fairest award last season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/ralph-carr-drives-new-deal-for-dustin-martin/story-fndjdrxt-1226381355458
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Where was Martin today? Still minding that kid I suppose ::)
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Where was Martin today? Still minding that kid I suppose ::)
His disposal was deplorable today. Had no impact. None whatsoever. Tried too many don't argues surrounded by 3 and 4 Dockers.
Has alot of work to do, has been pedestrian at times this year.
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I think he will be a gem but this year has stalled.
hardly impacts games and his disposal. WTF. Cant stand some of these short side kicks he attempts
Has a bit of the Cyril rioli's about him, good in patches then you dont see him for 2 quarters
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As I Have said in another thread. Disposal is terrible, tries to kick the skin off the footy rather than caress it naturally onto his boot and tries to use the don't argue too much when surrounded by opponents. Its almost as if he is craving the contact rather than trying to evade it. Has hardly impacted games this year and Foley Cotch and Lids and to a lesser extent Grigg have had more impact on games than Dusty has. Has alot of work to do.
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Where was Martin today? Still minding that kid I suppose ::)
His disposal was deplorable today.
What do you mean TODAY?
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Where was Martin today? Still minding that kid I suppose ::)
His disposal was deplorable today.
What do you mean TODAY?
Today's game with Freo and on many other occassions this season also.
What do you mean Ekto?
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Has been a let down so far this imo. Has had some stunning moments but also goes awol for periods.
Is not the only one in boat however
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His stagnation worries me. It's as if we have seen him at his best season 2010-11 and this year his consistency has wavered. We haven't seen any of those matchwinning games of the ilk of Nought Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney like we did last year for instance.
Whereas the performances of Cotch, Foley, Lids, Grigg have been the difference to us winning.
It seems he is labouring slightly at the moment and is suffering growing pains. Needs to get over this quickly and re-establish his authority on games of football.
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Where was Martin today? Still minding that kid I suppose ::)
His disposal was deplorable today.
What do you mean TODAY?
Today's game with Freo and on many other occassions this season also.
What do you mean Ekto?
What do you mean TODAY?
Pretty simple question really.
Today is not the only time his disposal has been questioned.
Still learning the caper though, but I wonder whether a kick up the backside with a threat to give him a game at Coburg might improve his willingness to do the hard stuff.
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I've moved all the Martin discussion in the Freo thread to here so it doesn't get lost within the general game discussion.
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There are allot more players on our list we should be worried about before Dusty! Carry on......
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Ekto,
To answer this question
I'm questioning his disposal openly on this forum for the first time TODAY although it has been noticeable to me that it has not been upto scratch all year.
Scrubby kick on along the ground in the first that turned over the ball and got Pav his bouncy goal in the first. Kick in the third where we had momentum and the ball went 30 metres after he had broken clear. Critical time in the game after Cotch had given us the lead. Plenty of times in the last and throughout the game but more noticeably in the last rather than put boot to ball too many times trying to fend off players and looking for contact rather than keeping it simple in conditions like these.
The kid came here with huge raps and has broken games open with his presence strength and kicking hence my reference to a few games last year where he was the clear and undisputed matchwinner.
I don't think he will be going to Coburg that's just reactionary to think when dealing with a player of his ability just give him a rocket and put the ball back in his court and hope the kid responds.
As for learning the caper this kid is a ready made footballer. He should know better. WIll be a star suffering growing pains atm.
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If fckn ivan let dustys 55m bomb go thou it might have turned out different
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If stuffn ivan let dustys 55m bomb go thou it might have turned out different
OK lets say he did that's one point we would not have got and one goal extra to our score so we would lost 10 11 71 to 12 6 78. We'd still be here bitching. Only difference our % would be slightly higher.
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Form and confidence are funny things but.
Might have got dustys tail up.
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Why the eff would you kick with ouside o
f the boot with your right foot when you kick on the left as well as martin can? :banghead
I thought marin had improved his workrate and pressre/tackling in the last couple of months, yesterday he went missing big time.
He still has a lot to work on to become the player he potentially can.
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A positive I noticed though was at stoppages he was trying to harrass and block Crowley so Deledio could get a run at it
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needed him step up in Foleys absence
started off like a bull at a gate as did the
team in the first quarter.
2 speeds at the moment with Dusty
great in patches and average in longer
patches in games, needs to find that
next level.
oh and too much cute rubbish...
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Tiger's teeth cut in Giants' backyard
Malcolm Conn
The Daily Telegraph
June 16, 2012
RICHMOND young gun Dustin Martin has played more Australian football in western Sydney than most of the GWS Giants who will oppose him at Skoda Stadium today.
Not that the robust Tigers midfielder considers himself a Sydneysider after spending one of his formative seasons with the Campbelltown Blues.
But such is the cosmopolitan nature of newly-formed GWS that only a handful of the current list played in the Giants development team out of Blacktown last season. The rest were drafted in from around the country over summer.
Two of those players from last season, the bigger-bodied duo of Israel Folau and Jonathan Giles, have been ruled out amid a string of injuries, further weakening the Giants.
At least another NSW player, Sam Schulz, 20, from the tiny Riverina town of Culcairn, will play his first AFL game today along with number one draft pick Jonathan Patton, bringing to 29 the number of AFL debutants used by the Giants already this season.
Every one of them can be inspired by Martin, one of the AFL draft's good news stories.
He has played 54 of a possible 55 games for Richmond, kicking 56 goals, since being taken third in the 2009 draft, creating the foundations for an A Grade midfield along with vice-captain Trent Cotchin, 22. From his first game as an 18-year-old Martin was a boy who played like a man, fending off seasoned opponents and doing hard work in heavy traffic.
His approach to life mirrors his approach to football, straightforward and uncomplicated.
This is not surprising given Martin has been mixing it with men on and off the field since he was 15.
The son of a Maori father and Australian mother who separated, Martin dropped out of school in year nine and moved from Castlemaine in central Victoria to Sydney so he could work in his father's trucking business.
"I missed dad and decided to go up there and live with him for a year," Martin told The Daily Telegraph.
He enjoyed the time with his father, who will be at Skoda Stadium with his mates today watching his son go around.
The work, however, was a harsh dose of reality and Martin now regrets leaving school so young.
"It was pretty s*** to be honest," he said. "It wasn't fun at all.
"I was getting up at five in the morning and getting home at six o'clock at night. The semis came in early in the morning. You had to unload all of them then load them back up.
"There were trucks coming in throughout the day you had to unload and load and sort out pallets. It was just boring. I wasn't at school with my mates, where I'd rather have been.
"It was just a silly mistake I made to leave school. I did a bit of study but that never lasted.
"I wasn't really interested in it.
"I worked for a few different people here and there labouring - all that boring stuff."
One of his outlets was playing football. He was a standout as a 15-year-old playing with Campbelltown in the under 18s, trying out for the NSW/ACT Rams and playing a senior game at the end of the season.
A combination of family, football and mates drew Martin back to Castlemaine after a year.
Given his limited options he put his heart and soul into football, playing with the desperation of a young man who wanted to make something of his life.
Martin was terrified he would not be drafted but had no need to be concerned. Ten clubs spoke to him and Richmond pounced early.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-teeth-cut-in-giants-backyard/story-e6frexwr-1226397104774
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Don't know what has happened to Dusty's goalkicking this year. It's been way off. He's kicked 12.18 now after another 3 behinds today. Last year he kicked 33.14. He's contributing in general play but his influence on games has fallen away because he hasn't been able to break games open kicking a bag of 3 from the midfield.
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Must be told to be happy with beating one contested situation and releasing the ball. Too many times he tries to take on a crowd.
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Must be told to be happy with beating one contested situation and releasing the ball. Too many times he tries to take on a crowd.
This I agree with. Noticed it last week.
Don't know what has happened to Dusty's goalkicking this year. It's been way off. He's kicked 12.18 now after another 3 behinds today. Last year he kicked 33.14. He's contributing in general play but his influence on games has fallen away because he hasn't been able to break games open kicking a bag of 3 from the midfield.
More contributors now and Dusty hasn't stepped up. He's had more chances to impose himself of the scoreboard but he seems to want to do the brilliant all the time and kick the skin off the ball rather than keeping it simple and kicking it flowingly and naturally. It seems to me he played his best game for the year in the pre season in Geelong and although he has been good it has been in patches this year. He is much better than this and he needs to refocus. He can start off by getting back to basics and keeping it simple.
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Don't know what has happened to Dusty's goalkicking this year.
I do.
He doesn't concentrate on kicking through the ball.
He just throws it on the boot.
Spectacular at times, but not reliable.
He'll learn though, I hope.
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Don't know what has happened to Dusty's goalkicking this year.
I do.
He doesn't concentrate on kicking through the ball.
He just throws it on the boot.
Spectacular at times, but not reliable.
He'll learn though, I hope.
IMHO hes all too often trying to kick the cover off it and his timing is now out of whack, not to mention his confidence has taken a beating. Ive seen him shank a few this year when hes tried to kill the ball! on other (admitedly fewer)occassions Ive seen him stab it nonchalantly 55 through the goals mid height.
Needs to work through it and come out of it a better player hopefully. Good thing is his efforts are there, hes really trying, almost too hard.. 30 shots on goal half way through the season for a midfielder is not bloody bad at all, if he had 18.12 the experts would be lauding him. He'll be right
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Dusty is 21 today :birthday
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Dusty needs to turn on a big one against the Crows this week.
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Dusty needs to turn on a big one against the Crows this week.
Sure does. The Crow youngsters have upstaged him this year.
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Dusty needs to turn on a big one against the Crows this week.
Dusty's getting the ball as much as last year but he needs to kick straight for starters to hurt the Crows on the scoreboard where it counts.
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Dustin back in town
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Mon 02 Jul, 2012
The form of dynamic young midfielder Dustin Martin was one of the main positives for Richmond out of last Saturday’s match against the Adelaide Crows.
Martin, who looked lively throughout, finished with 23 disposals (15 kicks, eight handballs), four marks and three goals.
Read the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/140179/default.aspx
VIDEO: Highlights of Dusty's 3 goals against the Crows...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/464889/default.aspx
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Need more of this if you want to win games week in and week out.
Would love to see him demolish nought in a few weeks
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Need more of this if you want to win games week in and week out.
Would love to see him demolish nought in a few weeks
A repeat game like his 2011 round 5 pearler against Nought will be more than adequate. :thumbsup
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Would love to see boomer cop a fend off to the throat and watch james gayshaw swallow his own vomit in the stands. I hate nought, what a rabble club. Even in our 30 years of mediocrity they have struggled to produce more than a couple of premierships. We have bent over for them and let them smash us countless times and you know what?
They still have no supporters, no hope, no good sponsors. 3 home grounds, a wanker president and they're best player is about to retire. Anything else tuck??
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no money
no fans
no character
no soul
no heart
no originality
no relevance
no inspiration
no footy board
no ceo
no idea
no clue
no respect
no identity
no stability
no ambition
no aura
no good
no mettle
no spine
no guts
no hope
no flair
no future
no kidding.
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and they can beat us
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and they can beat us
thats the only thing that i give a flying fu.. about
lose to them and the joke is on us
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and they can beat us
thats the only thing that i give a flying fu.. about
lose to them and the joke is on us
Yep it would be as funny as half your posts :lol
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Surprised none of you are barking about Dusty, his let the supporters down just as much as other players.
l'm very disppointed in Dusty & he needs more than a kick up the ass. :banghead
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Very dissapointing, hope its not a sign of things to come. Ill give him a get out of jail free card as this is a first offence, the way he responds to this is what ill judge him on.
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
You are unbelievable
that's all I will say
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:nope
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
sometimes you go too far
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Surprised none of you are barking about Dusty, his let the supporters down just as much as other players.
l'm very disppointed in Dusty & he needs more than a kick up the ass. :banghead
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What I was told today makes me think it might be a good idea
Club will never come out and tell the truth.
Maybe a few of you people should go to nightclubs like CQ in the city
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
sometimes you go too far
"Shh, Commodus."
(http://www.brainresidue.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/you-go-too-far-commodus1.jpg)
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This thread has turned into a disgrace.
It didn't have to happen, but certain inbreds couldn't resist.
Shame on you >:(
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Very dissapointing, hope its not a sign of things to come. Ill give him a get out of jail free card as this is a first offence, the way he responds to this is what ill judge him on.
Pretty sure it's not a first offence TM but I agree with your last bit - I'll be judging him on how he responds to this and not just over the rest of the season. To me, his history is now saying "I need to make changes that will only become credible after a few seasons".
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Very dissapointing, hope its not a sign of things to come. Ill give him a get out of jail free card as this is a first offence, the way he responds to this is what ill judge him on.
Fair enough too. Everyone deserves a chance. Connors blew his.
Hope Martin learns the lesson.
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Very dissapointing, hope its not a sign of things to come. Ill give him a get out of jail free card as this is a first offence, the way he responds to this is what ill judge him on.
Fair enough too. Everyone deserves a chance.
Bloody oath. We all make mistakes, it's how we deal with them.
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What I was told today makes me think it might be a good idea
Club will never come out and tell the truth.
Maybe a few of you people should go to nightclubs like CQ in the city
From what I'm told, what you are implying is common - in and outside of football clubs.
Ya nuffa
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
You are unbelievable
that's all I will say
Agree one of the worst posts ever posted on this site. ::)
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Very dissapointing, hope its not a sign of things to come. Ill give him a get out of jail free card as this is a first offence, the way he responds to this is what ill judge him on.
Fair enough too. Everyone deserves a chance.
Bloody oath. We all make mistakes, it's how we deal with them.
Agree with this lets see how he responds against Nought and the rest of the season.
He owes the club and his teammates massively.
Would hate to lose the next two or one of the next two and have some find their scapegoat(s).
I am certain he will respond positively.
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
You are unbelievable
that's all I will say
Agree one of the worst posts ever posted on this site. ::)
Yep .i agree worst post ever
Like the RFC press conference today
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
You are unbelievable
that's all I will say
Agree one of the worst posts ever posted on this site. ::)
Yep .i agree worst post ever
Like the RFC press conference today
Don't change the subject Jack. Poor form pal.
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Explain why it's poor form
I can't wait for your response
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Explain why it's poor form
I can't wait for your response
You just had a go at Dusty Jack now you are having a go at the presser or have I interpreted wrong Jack? Just asking.
IMHO based on the facts they have presented to the media they have dealt with it well and got rid of Connors and sanctioned Dusty and deservedly so. Nothing more nothing less.
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Honestly
Kid is a bogan
Would consider a trade
Might be too hard to maintain
Club is aware of issues as he lived with Gary March for 2 years to keep an eye on him
Recently moved out
You are unbelievable
that's all I will say
Agree one of the worst posts ever posted on this site. ::)
Yep .i agree worst post ever
Like the RFC press conference today
Don't change the subject Jack. Poor form pal.
Bloody disgaceful i would have thought :shh
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To be honest jack hasnt said anything earth shattering.the lad has goofed up,jack believes there are ongoing issues..well Dusty its time to shut your critics up
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Very dissapointing, hope its not a sign of things to come. Ill give him a get out of jail free card as this is a first offence, the way he responds to this is what ill judge him on.
Pretty sure it's not a first offence TM but I agree with your last bit - I'll be judging him on how he responds to this and not just over the rest of the season. To me, his history is now saying "I need to make changes that will only become credible after a few seasons".
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Agree with you both - it's what he does from here that matters
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amongst the carnage of this week any chance Foley will play?..lol
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amongst the carnage of this week any chance Foley will play?..lol
I never liked that ridiculous tattoo on his neck. It showed a character flaw AFAIC.
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I never liked that ridiculous tattoo on his neck. It showed a character flaw AFAIC.
Oi, what's wrong with neck tats >:(
:outtahere
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i gather Robbo might know more
than has been stated, found some
of his questions interesting today to
CC.
lets hope its laid to rest or until
the Hun's Back page story
with what really happened according
to club or industry sources.. :police:
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i gather Robbo might know more
than has been stated, found some
of his questions interesting today to
CC.
lets hope its laid to rest or until
the Hun's Back page story
with what really happened according
to club or industry sources.. :police:
I'm sure our very own jack will give them the inside word :shh
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To be honest jack hasnt said anything earth shattering.the lad has goofed up,jack believes there are ongoing issues..well Dusty its time to shut your critics up
agree.
some people dont want to know the truth.
He has had poor form this year. why? By the answer to some questions today chances are it wasnt his first slip up.
If he doesnt pull his finger out whats wrong with putting him up and getting 2 first rounders.
edited for legal reasons. Which part of previous warnings/requests don't you understand? You cannot post rumors or inneuendo when you have no proof. For the final time keep it off the forum
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i gather Robbo might know more
than has been stated, found some
of his questions interesting today to
CC.
lets hope its laid to rest or until
the Hun's Back page story
with what really happened according
to club or industry sources.. :police:
I'm sure our very own jack will give them the inside word :shh
ah Jack is just been Jack it aint fun
if you cant throw around some gossip
and innuendo.. :lol
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Have posted this on other threads but really folks :banghead :banghead :banghead
Which part of previous warnings/requests don't you understand?
You cannot post rumors or inneuendo when you have no proof. For the final time keep it off the forum
I understand people don't agree. I also understand think that we over react but the legal advice we have received is very simply and straight forward
If you don't have proof then it cannot stay and shouldn't be posted.
Can we make it any clearer?
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it was just a guess,Willy.
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it was just a guess,Willy.
Guess? Hmmmmmm
It was about what your guess implies
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it's probable that it went down differently....if that helps. :thumbsup
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it's probable that it went down differently....if that helps. :thumbsup
:rollin :rollin
:nope :nope
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Let's post some facts
He got 2 weeks suspension for sleeping in and arriving late at training and missing a session
What an awful crime
Yeah right RFC
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Let's post some facts
He got 2 weeks suspension for sleeping in and arriving late at training and missing a session
What an awful crime
Yeah right RFC
Taking non-prescribed medication (sleeping pills) from a 'friend' would've been the main offence as far as the Club saw. As a footballer you don't put anything in your mouth you don't know exactly what it is and where it is from while all medication should be cleared by the Club doctor.
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Let's post some facts
He got 2 weeks suspension for sleeping in and arriving late at training and missing a session
What an awful crime
Yeah right RFC
Taking non-prescribed medication (sleeping pills) from a 'friend' would've been the main offence as far as the Club saw. As a footballer you don't put anything in your mouth you don't know exactly what it is and where it is from while all medication should be cleared by the Club doctor.
And then combining them with alcohol is the height of stupidity (no matter what his motivation). It can be deadly.
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Wouldn't a fine have been better. A fine can have a deterrent effect. It also hurts the player rather than the team. It was his first breach of the club rules some leniency is required. However I understand by suspending him the club wants to send a firm message and I am guessing here but believe the club thought that if he is suspended his teammates will get stuck into more for letting down the team
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so the afl have tested martin for illicit drugs? Under their policy of non disclosure, even if the sleeping tablets had been taken to counter some form of upper, we will never know about it.
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so the afl have tested martin for illicit drugs? Under their policy of non disclosure, even if the sleeping tablets had been taken to counter some form of upper, we will never know about it.
We'll know about it if he gets to 3 strikes . . . Personally I think this will be 'wake up call' this boy needs (no pun intended) to go on and be a superstar. Removed that 'cancerous' type 'friend' of his in Connors (best news from yesterday), couple that with the 2 weeks suspension and the actual kick up the backside his dad will give him, AFL watch out :shh
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so the afl have tested martin for illicit drugs? Under their policy of non disclosure, even if the sleeping tablets had been taken to counter some form of upper, we will never know about it.
We'll know about it if he gets to 3 strikes . . . Personally I think this will be 'wake up call' this boy needs (no pun intended) to go on and be a superstar. Removed that 'cancerous' type 'friend' of his in Connors (best news from yesterday), couple that with the 2 weeks suspension and the actual kick up the backside his dad will give him, AFL watch out :shh
i'm sure this will be significant in this kids wake up call.
You shouldve seen what happened when dusty didn't want to make his dad some eggs for breakfast...
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You shouldve seen what happened when dusty didn't want to make his dad some eggs for breakfast...
:lol
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Dusty is travelling up with the team this week.
Tiger in exile to travel north with team
afl.com.au
Tue 10 Jul, 2012
BANNED Tiger Dustin Martin - who is serving a club suspension after taking sleeping pills and missing a Monday training session - will travel to Cairns on Thursday when Richmond heads north to take on Gold Coast.
Martin has been allowed to join the team, despite being in the middle of a two-week club suspension.
Richmond midfielder Shaun Grigg revealed on Tuesday that Martin would make the trip.
"He's in at the club this week, training hard," Grigg said.
"He's going to come to Cairns, so it's good for him to be back.
"He just loves being around the boys and he's a very valuable player for us, so we're looking forward to getting him back in a couple of weeks."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/141081/default.aspx
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He will play ;)
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He will play ;)
that would be the media managers
nightmare right there.
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He will play ;)
that would be the media managers
nightmare right there.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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imagine if we lost by a kick with Dusty in the stands media will eat this poo for 3 days
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Out of interest, Luke Hodge did something similar to Dusty when he turned 21 ....
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn - 2005)
The crime: Slept in and missed a morning training session following his 21st birthday celebrations.
The punishment: One-match suspension.
Comeback game: 24 touches in Hawthorn's 10-point loss to Adelaide at Aurora Stadium.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/141889/default.aspx
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I hope that's not an omen that we'll lose... Bury that stat back in the box OE ;D
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Out of interest, Luke Hodge did something similar to Dusty when he turned 21 ....
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn - 2005)
The crime: Slept in and missed a morning training session following his 21st birthday celebrations.
The punishment: One-match suspension.
Comeback game: 24 touches in Hawthorn's 10-point loss to Adelaide at Aurora Stadium.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/141889/default.aspx
Closet Richmond supporter
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I hope that's not an omen that we'll lose... Bury that stat back in the box OE ;D
I'll just ignore that last bit ;D
I wouldn't mind Dusty repeating his 33 possies and 4 goals from last year again North :yep
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VIDEO: Dustin Martin opens up to @MattRicho0 about his past two weeks and says he "can't wait" to play this Sunday
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/470650/default.aspx
Martin opens up
richmondfc.com.au
5:24 PM Thu 19 Jul, 2012
Richmond young gun, Dustin Martin, is both remorseful and excited, as he prepares for his return from a Club-imposed two-match suspension, against North Melbourne at the MCG on Sunday.
In an exclusive ‘Roar Vision’ interview, Martin revealed his feelings to Tiger great, Matthew Richardson . . .
“I can’t wait . . . it feels like a month since I’ve played. Been training with the boys the last couple of weeks and just really looking forward to getting back out there,” he said.
“It was pretty hard . . . I was just really disappointed in myself that I let the whole club down - all the boys and the coaches.
Read the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/142020/default.aspx
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I hope that's not an omen that we'll lose... Bury that stat back in the box OE ;D
I'll just ignore that last bit ;D
I wouldn't mind Dusty repeating his 33 possies and 4 goals from last year again North :yep
When was the last time he had 30 or more ?
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imagine if we lost by a kick with Dusty in the stands media will eat this poo for 3 days
Especially if its after the siren............. :birthday
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I hope that's not an omen that we'll lose... Bury that stat back in the box OE ;D
I'll just ignore that last bit ;D
I wouldn't mind Dusty repeating his 33 possies and 4 goals from last year again North :yep
When was the last time he had 30 or more ?
Dusty had 32 and kicked 2 goals against the Hawks this year.
Sunday would be a good time for Dusty to regain his kicking eye in front of the big sticks. He's due to deliver a bag after a wayward season so far.
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Dusty's going to be a hermit from here on.
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I hope that's not an omen that we'll lose... Bury that stat back in the box OE ;D
Be happy if it means Dusty ends up as good as Hodge though.
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wake up sleepy head. :thumbsup
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Needs to lift his defensive side 90% this week for any serious chance of redemption.
A real test of character.
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Dusty's going to be a hermit from here on.
Now where have I heard that before? :whistle
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Out of interest, Luke Hodge did something similar to Dusty when he turned 21 ....
Luke Hodge (Hawthorn - 2005)
The crime: Slept in and missed a morning training session following his 21st birthday celebrations.
The punishment: One-match suspension.
Comeback game: 24 touches in Hawthorn's 10-point loss to Adelaide at Aurora Stadium.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/141889/default.aspx
Very similar...
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Needs to lift his defensive side 90% this week for any serious chance of redemption.
A real test of character.
thought his defensive efforts were good on the weekend. made one long chase early on that i doubt he wouldnt have made before this poo
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From Ch7's Tom Browne's twitter
Interview with Dusty Martin on ch7 news tonight with the full interview to be shown on Ch7 Saturday Night
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From Ch7's Tom Browne's twitter
Interview with Dusty Martin on ch7 news tonight with the full interview to be shown on Ch7 Saturday Night
Dusty's interview on shortly. Ch 7 followed him around for 2 days.
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Good interview. Onya Dusty :thumbsup.
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Deserved better. His last quarter effort late in the last was a sensational effort. Feel sorry for him and lids and cotch. It must be hard to have to play footy with a group of nuffers.
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martins kick up the arse seems to have done him the world of good.
His effort late in the game should have been game saving
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Great tonight. Not only did the classy stuff which were brilliant but also the hard courageous things as Ramps pointed out with that desperate smother in the last. Thank god he didn't do his hammy properly. The Club took a risk putting him back on in the last few minutes.
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Started like a house on fire and loved seeing him spent but still able to put in that last effort.
Bottom dozen players can go get stuffed
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Deserved better. His last quarter effort late in the last was a sensational effort. Feel sorry for him and lids and cotch. It must be hard to have to play footy with a group of nuffers.
I am sure those three dont feel like that, but eff me the gap between our best few and bottom lot is huge
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Boss.
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Started like a house on fire and loved seeing him spent but still able to put in that last effort.
Bottom dozen players can go get stuffed
Showed the kid has pride nd wants to give his all for his footy club.
Unquestionable display of guts and determination.
Pity he has some teammates who aren't even one millionth of a pubic hair from his balls.
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How much harder do you thing Dusty is running after his two week, mini-pre-season hiatus? Has it been noticeable in the last two games?
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now that run and chase
that is what we all want to
see on a more consistent level :thumbsup
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VIDEO: The Dustin Martin story for those that missed it last Saturday night on Channel 7...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/474089/default.aspx
or
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/474089/The%20Martin%20story/
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Looks like Dusty got the rocket he needed. He's returned to form since he's come back from the club-imposed suspension.
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I'm starting to get frusated with Dusty.Killed us with his turnovers and poor decsions and goes missing at times.Since he got suspended gave us 1 good game back that's all.Try's to be superman at times and get's in trouble.Disposal needs to be fixed.
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All-Australian and the guns who won't be there
Brad Hardie
The Age
August 20, 2012
If there's nothing left to gain this year from a team point of view, it's only natural those not taking part in the finals will start thinking about All-Australian selection. If you've had a good year in a bad side, All-Australian selection can be a nice consolation prize.
Having said that, there'll be a few guns missing out this year ... players full of promise and earning mega bucks who simply haven't delivered on their KPIs this year, for whatever reason. I'm going to run through six players just now who should be in the side, but won't be, and my reasons why I think they've struggled this year ...
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
This time last year, only a fool would bet on Trent Cotchin out-developing and out-ranking Martin as the most dominant midfielder at Tigerland, but it's happened, and there's probably only one good excuse for it. We all remember that incident a couple of months back when he turned up late for training and was sanctioned by the club. Such a public affair and disciplinary action can knock your confidence, and that's why I think he's struggling just now. Cotchin has streaked ahead of him in growth as a player, but Martin is young and can catch up.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/blogs/harden-up/allaustralian-and-the-guns-who-wont-be-there-20120820-24hnq.html#ixzz24G4yWAl4
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All-Australian and the guns who won't be there
Brad Hardie
The Age
August 20, 2012
If there's nothing left to gain this year from a team point of view, it's only natural those not taking part in the finals will start thinking about All-Australian selection. If you've had a good year in a bad side, All-Australian selection can be a nice consolation prize.
Having said that, there'll be a few guns missing out this year ... players full of promise and earning mega bucks who simply haven't delivered on their KPIs this year, for whatever reason. I'm going to run through six players just now who should be in the side, but won't be, and my reasons why I think they've struggled this year ...
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
This time last year, only a fool would bet on Trent Cotchin out-developing and out-ranking Martin as the most dominant midfielder at Tigerland, but it's happened, and there's probably only one good excuse for it. We all remember that incident a couple of months back when he turned up late for training and was sanctioned by the club. Such a public affair and disciplinary action can knock your confidence, and that's why I think he's struggling just now. Cotchin has streaked ahead of him in growth as a player, but Martin is young and can catch up.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/blogs/harden-up/allaustralian-and-the-guns-who-wont-be-there-20120820-24hnq.html#ixzz24G4yWAl4
guy has no clue
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All-Australian and the guns who won't be there
Brad Hardie
The Age
August 20, 2012
If there's nothing left to gain this year from a team point of view, it's only natural those not taking part in the finals will start thinking about All-Australian selection. If you've had a good year in a bad side, All-Australian selection can be a nice consolation prize.
Having said that, there'll be a few guns missing out this year ... players full of promise and earning mega bucks who simply haven't delivered on their KPIs this year, for whatever reason. I'm going to run through six players just now who should be in the side, but won't be, and my reasons why I think they've struggled this year ...
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
This time last year, only a fool would bet on Trent Cotchin out-developing and out-ranking Martin as the most dominant midfielder at Tigerland, but it's happened, and there's probably only one good excuse for it. We all remember that incident a couple of months back when he turned up late for training and was sanctioned by the club. Such a public affair and disciplinary action can knock your confidence, and that's why I think he's struggling just now. Cotchin has streaked ahead of him in growth as a player, but Martin is young and can catch up.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/blogs/harden-up/allaustralian-and-the-guns-who-wont-be-there-20120820-24hnq.html#ixzz24G4yWAl4
guy has no clue
your not wrong there.
martins season is not that far off last yrs. you can see it plain as day on match days imo his tank is the thing that is holding martin back.
it may take a yr or it may take 3 yrs but only when dustins tank improves significantly will his defensive game and over all performances significantly improve. think jack ziebel but not as bad or gary ablett junior.
it may take a few more yrs but it will turn and then watch out.
anyway i dont know what people are complaining about with him atm his output and influence when hes in the game is very good. expectations not just at richmond but the footy world are silly at times.
atm i will take 22 possies a game and 30 odd goals a season. what i would like to see slowly improve more than anything is the 1percenters and the defensive side of the game.
when i look at martin i see mark ricciuto mk2 just give it time.
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I think a lot of journos and those sorts have missed that Martin hasn't spent as much time on the ball this year. He definitely wasn't his best this season, but with our main on ball rotations, Cotch and Deledio start a lot in the guts and Martin up forward and replaces either when they need a spell. I'm really liking this set up and Martin is going to be an absolute nightmare to match up on in the future. He is too strong from a small defender and too quick for a tall, and his core strength makes him hard to stop when on the ball.
Keep it up, Dusty :thumbsup
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I think a lot of journos and those sorts have missed that Martin hasn't spent as much time on the ball this year. He definitely wasn't his best this season, but with our main on ball rotations, Cotch and Deledio start a lot in the guts and Martin up forward and replaces either when they need a spell. I'm really liking this set up and Martin is going to be an absolute nightmare to match up on in the future. He is too strong from a small defender and too quick for a tall, and his core strength makes him hard to stop when on the ball.
Keep it up, Dusty :thumbsup
I like this set up too, with a hard body clearance freak like Tuck and hopefully Conca to be in there
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Hes had a very ordinary year.
He shouldn't be compared in performance to the other duds on the list. Each player on the list should be judged individually. His performance should be based on his talent and ability vrs his output. His output isn't anywhere near where it should be for a player of his talent and ability. If he has broken even with his performances of last year, for a young developing player to stagnate, that is going backwards. His defensive efforts are non existent and his ability to break tackles has not improved since last year. Its not just motor, he is lazy.
Another player who hasn't developed under Hardwick.
With decent coaches, this guy would have the motor and confidence to be the best player in the afl. We shouldn't be waiting three years for that just like we shouldn't have had to wait so long for Deledio to go in the midfield. Not good enough.
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Hes had a very ordinary year.
He shouldn't be compared in performance to the other duds on the list. Each player on the list should be judged individually. His performance should be based on his talent and ability vrs his output. His output isn't anywhere near where it should be for a player of his talent and ability. If he has broken even with his performances of last year, for a young developing player to stagnate, that is going backwards. His defensive efforts are non existent and his ability to break tackles has not improved since last year. Its not just motor, he is lazy.
Another player who hasn't developed under Hardwick.
With decent coaches, this guy would have the motor and confidence to be the best player in the afl. We shouldn't be waiting three years for that just like we shouldn't have had to wait so long for Deledio to go in the midfield. Not good enough.
Real motivation comes from within. Look at Fyfe. Change of coaches has meant nothing to him. He just goes about his business because he demands 100% effort from himself. This is not one you can pin on Hardwick. Team strategies etc etc yes. Individual motivation, no. The fact is Hardwick was there the last two years when he has played better anyway!
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With decent coaches, this guy would have the motor and confidence to be the best player in the afl. We shouldn't be waiting three years for that just like we shouldn't have had to wait so long for Deledio to go in the midfield. Not good enough.
What 3rd year player has been the best player in the AFL?
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Judd was a monster then
Before lost speed
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With decent coaches, this guy would have the motor and confidence to be the best player in the afl. We shouldn't be waiting three years for that just like we shouldn't have had to wait so long for Deledio to go in the midfield. Not good enough.
What 3rd year player has been the best player in the AFL?
Chris Judd?
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Won a Brownlow in his 3rd season didn't he?
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Won a Brownlow in his 3rd season didn't he?
Yup, with 30 votes. Would make him pretty close to the "best player in the AFL" imho.
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Dustin in 2012/natural ability = Fail
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Exactly his a freak, not many people would expect a 3rd year player to reach Judd level
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Dustin's year has been disappointing, but I don't think we can blame Dimma for it. Dusty is still maturing as a person. I reckon he'l learn from this year and completely tear poo up next year.
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Judd was a monster then
Before lost speed
Judd won a Brownlow in his third season.
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Dustin's year has been disappointing, but I don't think we can blame Dimma for it. Dusty is still maturing as a person. I reckon he'l learn from this year and completely tear poo up next year.
I think so too. Sometimes you need a big kick up the backside to refocus your objectives.
I think Dusty is suffering from third year blues rather than second year blues as most do.
I think he will go right up next year and show more and more of that Geelong practice match form.
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Think about Deledio. Here is a guy who played in the mid in his first season and looked like a superstar. How many years playing off a half back and best you could say is he is a good player. Finally gets a run in the midfield and is a total gun.
Dusty is too easy to pick off sitting in a forward pocket. He doesn't have the engine or inclination to run both ways. I'm not sure which it is, because if you look at someone like Heppell, he can run all day. So its not impossible for a player to be super fit coming out of under 18s. They just get fitter the longer they play afl. The coach wants him to do all the defensive things. Personally, I would run him in bursts like maxfield and let him smash some teams until he gets the engine or inclination to run a match out.
The reason I blame dimma is because I think he is underutilised. Not every player is self motivated. Its the coaches role to get players up and about on a weekly basis.
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Heppel may run all day, but the steps shorten pretty bloody quick when a contest nears....
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shortsteppell :cheers
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LMAO yeh he's a girl
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Truely a buffalo girl
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shortsteppell :cheers
Shytesen Short Steppell
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I only saw Dusty come off. Did he look like he did a standard hammy that will heal in 3 weeks over the offseason or a bad one?
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Standard.
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Standard.
Ta Coach.
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
Not if your info is comming from the same guy that gave you the scoop about Ellis :lol :lol :lol
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
Not if your info is comming from the same guy that gave you the scoop about Ellis :lol :lol :lol
Watch this space
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Good or bad news?
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nobody knows yet.....even Dustin
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
Not if your info is comming from the same guy that gave you the scoop about Ellis :lol :lol :lol
Watch this space
You been in another one of those meetings :rollin
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
Not if your info is comming from the same guy that gave you the scoop about Ellis :lol :lol :lol
Watch this space
You been in another one of those meetings :rollin
This is like the connors thread, calls it early and prays his right
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
Not if your info is comming from the same guy that gave you the scoop about Ellis :lol :lol :lol
Watch this space
You been in another one of those meetings :rollin
This is like the connors thread, calls it early and prays his right
It's called slinging poo and hoping it sticks :lol
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nobody knows yet.....even Dustin
That might be correct
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Did anyone see him come back on?
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Snip:
folks should know the rules about unproven rumours. Let's see what happens and if the "rumour" proves correct and more importantly it appears in the media then people are free to speak about it on here
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Yoohoo! I saw it before it was snipped - a first!! :dancing
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Yoohoo! I saw it before it was snipped - a first!! :dancing
FFS. send me a PM
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it is rumoured that dusty is a lazy biatch who tackles like a princess and crys when he gets suspended.
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Heard he dressed up as a giant Stillnox packet.
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Yoohoo! I saw it before it was snipped - a first!! :dancing
FFS. send me a PM
+1
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Yoohoo! I saw it before it was snipped - a first!! :dancing
X3 pm
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Is it just me, or did dusty play like he had been on the slops Saturday night?
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;) ;) ;)
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;) :whistle ;)
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Snip:
folks should know the rules about unproven rumours. Let's see what happens and if the "rumour" proves correct and more importantly it appears in the media then people are free to speak about it on here
i love ,how if the media report it,it's as good as fact and we're allowed to follow suit.
I really love that aspect of free speech.
Who passed that law - Freemasons?
xxx
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Snip:
folks should know the rules about unproven rumours. Let's see what happens and if the "rumour" proves correct and more importantly it appears in the media then people are free to speak about it on here
i love ,how if the media report it,it's as good as fact and we're allowed to follow suit.
I really love that aspect of free speech.
Who passed that law - Freemasons?
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Ox, you get the precious laws changed regarding defamation and you can have the free speech you clearly believe in :thumbsup
Said many times I don't necessarily agree with the way the law is but we just deal with it the best we can based on the legal advice we've received over time
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its not @ u,dear but rather the system.
Personally, i would make as much trouble as i could,if i owned the forum .....just saying' x
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its not @ u,dear but rather the system.
Personally, i would make as much trouble as i could,if i owned the forum .....just saying' x
I know you would luv :-* ;D
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its not @ u,dear but rather the system.
Personally, i would make as much trouble as i could,if i owned the forum .....just saying' x
xoxoxo
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What would he fetch as a trade?
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What would he fetch as a trade?
Straight swap for Jack Martin ;)
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as if he's going anywhere.
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its not @ u,dear but rather the system.
Personally, i would make as much trouble as i could,if i owned the forum .....just saying' x
xoxoxo
Gossip Girl ;)
Is a rumour still a rumour once it is proven?
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Trys to do to much sometimes and makes alot of mistakes and turns it over for the good he does.People may laugh at me,but if the right trade camed along like 2 picks a top 10 pick and a early second rd pick I would consider it.
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Didn't know it was against the law to have one of these :cheers
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Not bad kid for our 3rd best mid at the club.
If he ends up like Aka or Lappin no shame.in that.
Behind chimp/lids (voss/black)
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hoping for a big year from him next year. When he is on fire he is unstoppable.
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Didn't know it was against the law to have one of these :cheers
You know the answer to that you had a couple at the Social Club on Sunday night - you didn't look happy BTW ;D
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Didn't know it was against the law to have one of these :cheers
You know the answer to that you had a couple at the Social Club on Sunday night - you didn't look happy BTW ;D
Who was his drinking buddy? ;) :o :whistle
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female buddys :thumbsup
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Didn't know it was against the law to have one of these :cheers
You know the answer to that you had a couple at the Social Club on Sunday night - you didn't look happy BTW ;D
never happy if we dont win :(
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female buddys :thumbsup
That's only eliminated half of our senior team, not all of them! ;D
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female buddys :thumbsup
give him a new 5 year deal and get him to 100 games asap :cheers
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Definitely a disappointing year for Dusty based on what he showed last season and expectations of what might come.
Hope his form is a temporary slide and not a permanent one. Can't afford to have high draftees with his talent going backwards.
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He had a good yr and played many games with a hammy and quad strain... Much of his work was also to protect Cotchin and lids and create space for them which he and tuck did brilliantly... Think u guys are expecting to much from him
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He had a good yr and played many games with a hammy and quad strain... Much of his work was also to protect Cotchin and lids and create space for them which he and tuck did brilliantly... Think u guys are expecting to much from him
yeah just like you expect too much from Foley who wasn't even on the park.
clueless
Magic is right
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He had a good yr and played many games with a hammy and quad strain... Much of his work was also to protect Cotchin and lids and create space for them which he and tuck did brilliantly... Think u guys are expecting to much from him
yeah just like you expect too much from Foley who wasn't even on the park.
clueless
Magic is right
Lmao comparing Foley to Martin... U tossbag
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You have a history of not knowing what your talking about and this is no exception.
Rance no good in 2012, Foley is rubbish, Martin good year, Tambling is a gun.
NFI
move on son
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He had a good yr and played many games with a hammy and quad strain... Much of his work was also to protect Cotchin and lids and create space for them which he and tuck did brilliantly... Think u guys are expecting to much from him
yeah just like you expect too much from Foley who wasn't even on the park.
clueless
Magic is right
Lmao comparing Foley to Martin.....
Yes it is a bit of a laugh, Martin promises so much yet has delivered SFA. Is no where near Foley at the moment.
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Wow. Didnt think Foley skeptics existed anymore after the year he had (before injuries, of course). Our midfield was noticeably less powerful without him.
Dusty needs to lift big time. His potential is enormous.
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i was disappointed in his year, wasnt helpled
from his issue.
i think the bush telegraph pumping him
for huge year lifted everyones expectations
and rightly so.
lets hope a little more less of the hype and he
will show his truth worth next year.
there is too much to work with here to let it
all go to the crappers with Dusty.
reckon Chocco might be having a quiet word to
the lad on his arrival. :thumbsup
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You have a history of not knowing what your talking about and this is no exception.
Rance no good in 2012, Foley is rubbish, Martin good year, Tambling is a gun.
NFI
move on son
After the Tambling saga I think it was time then for x to hand in his badge. Saying Foley can't play and Post is better than Rance doesn't help his case.
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reckon Chocco might be having a quiet word to
the lad on his arrival. :thumbsup
That wouldn't hurt and it also wouldn't hurt if it was a bit louder than quiet.
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
The week is nearly up and havent heard any more....perhaps there was nothing to hear?
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
The week is nearly up and havent heard any more....perhaps there was nothing to hear?
I'm still waiting on the goss on Connors :shh
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This might be relevant:
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/blog/eddie-mcguire-puts-the-3-strikes-rumour-to-bed-after-buddy-franklin-misses-6th-game/20120820-gzli.html
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Might here more about D. Martin during the week. :shh
The week is nearly up and havent heard any more....perhaps there was nothing to hear?
Guess what you maybe right
Actually you are right...
No story here ;)
This might be relevant:
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/blog/eddie-mcguire-puts-the-3-strikes-rumour-to-bed-after-buddy-franklin-misses-6th-game/20120820-gzli.html
What...relevance = zero
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Robbo has got stuck into Dusty today in his 'The Tackle' article on the Herald-Sun website:
DUSTED MARTIN
Best and fairest awards are the best judges of performance.
Richmond, then, didn't rate Dustin Martin's season.
He finished a lowly 10th in the Jack Dyer Medal held last Wednesday night, which means the rest of us overate
him, and that Martin is more hype and hope than consistent performer.
The final placings were:
1st Trent Cotchin 296 votes;
2nd Brett Deledio 263;
3rd Ivan Maric 248:
4th Shane Tuck 207;
5th Shaun Grigg 198
6th Alex Rance 192
7th Steven Morris 191
8th Shane Edwards 188
9th Jack Riewoldt 173
=10th Dustin Martin 170
=10th Bachar Houli 170
First-year player Morris had a promising season, with his competiveness a standout, and Edwards played better football than I could've imagined, but the fact Martin finished below both of them should rankle Martin and the Tigers.
It shows that Martin, despite his obvious talent, he has serious consistency issues.
Comparing him to Trent Cotchin is probably unfair, but Cotchin, who was drafted a year ahead of Martin, already has two best and fairest awards to his name.
Martin finished third last year behind Cotchin, and dropped seven places this year.
When the graph on most young players is expected to head north, Martin's dipped.
He played one less game but had fewer possessions (447-486), 10 fewer goals (23-33), 13 fewer tackles (73-60) and 15 fewer marks (63-78).
Much was made of Martin's social life when he was suspended, and Daniel Connors was sacked, after a night on sleeping tablets meant they missed training the next day.
Nothing was official correspondence, of course, but concerns were there for Tigers officials.
No-one wants a team of choir boys, but there's an expectation that if you are cowboy, don't let your footy slip.
Less cowboy and more choir might be needed in 2013.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/fremantle-spearhead-matthew-pavlich-deserves-honour-of-being-named-all-australian-captain/story-fn5937w8-1226468491638
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Cotch was actuallt drafted 2 years before Dusty, research Robbo research
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Why doesn't he get stuck into Hurley?
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Why doesn't he get stuck into Hurley?
Don't worry about what I put in my articles
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He will be back next year better than ever, dont think he doesn't know he should of played better, he will play a big part in our finals campain.
Go Dusty.
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Why doesn't he get stuck into Hurley?
Don't worry about what I put in my articles
Ok Robbo
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Why doesn't he get stuck into Hurley?
Don't worry about what I put in my articles
Ok Robbo
k
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Why doesn't he get stuck into Hurley?
Don't worry about what I put in my articles
Ok Robbo
k
:clapping
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He will be back next year better than ever, dont think he doesn't know he should of played better, he will play a big part in our finals campain.
Go Dusty.
Edwards finish above him in b&f?
Go titch :lol
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You'd think it would be a pretty decent motivator finishing behind Sheddy in the B&F
The list should improve heaps next year ;D
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He will be back next year better than ever, dont think he doesn't know he should of played better, he will play a big part in our finals campain.
Go Dusty.
Edwards finish above him in b&f?
Go titch :lol
Morris finished above Edwarts in his first year, Martin has been in for 2 years and itch 6 years....you work it out.... :lol :lol
Won't last for long anyway, Marting is 10 times the footballer he is as is Morris.
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Richmond Tigers look to improve Dustin Martin's attitude
Exclusive Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
November 01, 2012 11:00PM
RICHMOND continues to counsel star midfielder Dustin Martin about his erratic off-field behaviour, with the Tigers concerned his conduct has not improved since his Round 15 suspension.
The club has had early discussions with Martin about a new long-term deal, but the Tigers are known to have misgivings about their star player's life away from Punt Rd.
The Herald Sun understands Martin has been made aware how fraught his position at the club is given his current behaviour.
It is seen as a critical 12 months for him as a Richmond footballer, with the belief within Punt Rd that only when he commits to a professional attitude can the club reward him with a contract befitting his talent.
But head of football Craig Cameron denied it had got to the stage of postponing contract talks.
"We have had preliminary discussions with Dustin's management regarding his contract beyond this season and we will progress those in the near future," he said.
"As with all our players we put support structures in place and structure around them to get the best out of their football and life outside the club. Dustin is no different."
Martin, out of contract at the end of next year, has been counselled and confronted about a string of incidents in recent months and is still not heeding the club's warnings.
Richmond has been made aware of a worrying list of incidents and sightings that continue to trouble the football department and administration.
The Tigers are working exhaustively to support Martin and maximise his massive potential.
Richmond officials including coach Damien Hardwick have counselled Martin about his behaviour, but there is a feeling the penny still has not dropped.
After finishing third in the club's best-and-fairest in 2011, Martin was widely seen to have under-performed this season to finish equal 10th.
He was suspended for two weeks after mixing prescription drugs with alcohol and missing a recovery session the following morning.
His partner in the escapade Dan Connors was sacked by the Tigers after breaching his last warning. It is an open secret that there are concerns about the company Martin keeps.
He has this year moved out of president Gary March's home and is seen to be enjoying the freedom.
New development coach Mark Williams, seen as an employer of tough love at GWS, has the task of knocking the remaining rough on-field edges from first-round picks like Martin, Brandon Ellis and Reece Conca.
But he could also help maximise Martin's potential through extracting a more professional attitude.
The club is also encouraging him to find a passion outside football, with Martin at one stage set to work a day a week at the landscaping company owned by the father of former defender Will Thursfield.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers-look-to-improve-dustin-martins-attitude/story-e6frf9io-1226508669243
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Our club is developing balls.
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I did hear a rumour he spent some time in Bali this off season with an ex-player who has a notorious reputation - which could mean nothing or you could simply join the dots.
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Martin to gws next year for Dom Tyson and their first pick. Should have been done this year. I said several months ago (before his incident), that we should have taken the Sydney offer in his draft year but was 'howled' down. He is a lazy footballer with a couple of tricks and no engine.
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Well I mentioned after his suspension during the year that IMO he is a loose canon...it's a bit of a worry actually. I have been waiting to hear something about him in the press during the off season, an arrest, poor behaviour, fighting, something...
I am glad this is all I am hearing..at this point. :pray
Anyone that doesn't think this guy will be a star is kidding themselves, the only reason he is not at the level of Cotchin or Deledio is because he is easily lead astray, lazy and he won't apply himself at the level required...watch out when he does.. :o
If he is traded out or asked to be traded (which will be the case IMO) then it will be a huge loss to our club and a massive gain for another club.
I am just hoping that someone at the RFC can get him through this period, c'mon Williams, get him into line.
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If he is traded out or asked to be traded (which will be the case IMO) then it will be a huge loss to our club and a massive gain for another club.
Are you suggesting he is going to ask to be traded?
Errr...... :nope Doesn't want to leave
He will be re-signed but for how long for is the only question
;D
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If he is traded out or asked to be traded (which will be the case IMO) then it will be a huge loss to our club and a massive gain for another club.
Are you suggesting he is going to ask to be traded?
Errr...... :nope Doesn't want to leave
He will re-signed but for how long for is the only question
;D
Not really suggesting it but.......it may be the only way he see's a way out if he keeps going down the path he is on...do you know what I mean?
Thats good then, I just hope it doesn't end up another Cousins/Eagles case..
Agree.
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No good on our list if he isn't playing good footy. Someone like a Dom Tyson and a top 10 pick (would prefer top 5 but that might be a but rich lol) and I wouldn't lose any sleep. Better get himself sorted out.
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The club should just continue to trade for players with flawless character that are in their prime like Aaron "the lockup" Edwards.
Alan Didak would be perfect. Just about ready to hit his straps I reckon with impeccable character and very sound judgement.
Gram would be ideal also just to add a touch of stability to our youngsters. He truly has his head screwed on his shoulders.
And laslty let's not forget Fev, would do wonders for our forward line as he oozes team first mentality and he'd teach the youngsters so much about work ethic and good conduct.
C'mon Craig, continue your great work! ;D
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apparently cried like a girl when he was suspended , yet the penny hasnt dropped? perhaps it never will?
Anyone that doesn't think this guy will be a star is kidding themselves, the only reason he is not at the level of Cotchin or Deledio is because he is easily lead astray, lazy and he won't apply himself at the level required...watch out when he does.. :o
He has the ability to be a star, but as as you rightly say, at the moment he easily led astray, lazy and wont apply himself. It's not so much when he does though, but if, and if he doesnt, he wont become that star.
he may be one of those blokes who needs to be arseholed from the club for the penny to drop. heres hoping thats not the case.
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Martin for Tyson and WHE if he doesn't shape up. ;D
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We don't need a Laurence Angwin at our club. I hope he snaps out of it, otherwise he will be heading down the path of Young Laurence with party nights and park footy.
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Martin for Tyson and WHE if he doesn't shape up. ;D
Now we're talking :clapping
Haha, seriously, the kid will be fine. The penny drops for all, sometimes it just takes a little longer :thumbsup
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He's achieved nothing in football yet. Shape up or ship out with your mate DC.
NDP.
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apparently cried like a girl when he was suspended , yet the penny hasnt dropped? perhaps it never will?
Anyone that doesn't think this guy will be a star is kidding themselves, the only reason he is not at the level of Cotchin or Deledio is because he is easily lead astray, lazy and he won't apply himself at the level required...watch out when he does.. :o
He has the ability to be a star, but as as you rightly say, at the moment he easily led astray, lazy and wont apply himself. It's not so much when he does though, but if, and if he doesnt, he wont become that star.
he may be one of those blokes who needs to be arseholed from the club for the penny to drop. heres hoping thats not the case.
Mmm, dead right. Bloody hell I hope he pulls his head in!!
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Will be at GWS in 2014.
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Will be at GWS in 2014.
Tyson.
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Will be at GWS in 2014.
Tyson.
F Tyson! Dustin is better.
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Can confirm that Dusty goes clubbing Friday, Saturday and occasionaly Sunday nights.
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Will be at GWS in 2014.
Tyson.
F Tyson! Dustin is better.
& a sweetener.
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Will be at GWS in 2014.
Tyson.
F Tyson! Dustin is better.
& a sweetener.
Izzy Failou?
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God you lot, how about backing the kid in, FFS, all this trade talk for next year is crap!!!
Lets see how he evolves, you will all be on his bandwagon by mid season if he is on fire!!
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God you lot, how about backing the kid in, FFS, all this trade talk for next year is crap!!!
Lets see how he evolves, you will all be on his bandwagon by mid season if he is on fire!!
Correct :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Can confirm that Dusty goes clubbing Friday, Saturday and occasionaly Sunday nights.
have no issue with that in the off season. All depends on who he keeps company with and what he does when he is out
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Martin for Tyson and WHE if he doesn't shape up. ;D
I'd do that.
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Sort of player this club has been screaming for, for years. I'd give him some leeway.
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Were is any proof of Missdoings or bad behaviour or any info from the Club in this aticle. The only quotes from Cameron are about what we offer "all" players. There is no quote from the club or Martin saying any of the stuff the aticle is implying.
Anybody have anything that backs the aticle up? Is it all made up ? Anybody ?????
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Downright disappointing when you hear of young players with all the ability in the world who have no idea how lucky they are or have the motivation to become the best. It is why players like Foley and Morris are so inspirational - they busted their guts to get to the level they're at. Martin needs the penny to drop and needs good influences around him. Could be anything if he develops an unbending will to succeed :-\ :pray
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Can confirm that Dusty goes clubbing Friday, Saturday and occasionaly Sunday nights.
have no issue with that in the off season. All depends on who he keeps company with and what he does when he is out
He does it in the normal season too
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Can confirm that Dusty goes clubbing Friday, Saturday and occasionaly Sunday nights.
have no issue with that in the off season. All depends on who he keeps company with and what he does when he is out
He does it in the normal season too
He goes 'clubbing' before a game? BS.
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Can confirm that Dusty goes clubbing Friday, Saturday and occasionaly Sunday nights.
have no issue with that in the off season. All depends on who he keeps company with and what he does when he is out
He does it in the normal season too
He goes 'clubbing' before a game? BS.
For sure
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This thread is a perfect example of the dumbing down of OER over the last couple of years. Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
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This thread is a perfect example of the dumbing down of OER over the last couple of years. Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Yep funny stuff
Ralphy will be pleased got the desired result with his exclusive
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Good mates with Tom Hislop, with Dusty 'dragging' him out on many an occasion.
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This thread is a perfect example of the dumbing down of OER over the last couple of years. Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Yep funny stuff
Ralphy will be pleased got the desired result with his exclusive
Yep, I liked ralphy until he came up with this dribble, please was no need for it!
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Were is any proof of Missdoings or bad behaviour or any info from the Club in this aticle. The only quotes from Cameron are about what we offer "all" players. There is no quote from the club or Martin saying any of the stuff the aticle is implying.
Anybody have anything that backs the aticle up? Is it all made up ? Anybody ?????
Hardwick was interviewed on SEN this morning and was asked about the article. He didn't once deny what was written in the article. Said that Dusty needed something outside of footy to take his attention away from the distractions of being a young footy star with nothing else to do especially during the off season. Said the club was working hard to get him set up into something outside of footy.
So the article sounded correct by what Hardwick was saying this morning.
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I've heard Dusty has come back to the club with a 9% skin fold. If true it would hardly suggest that he has been doing the wrong thing for the past 2 months.
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Stupid article and stupid comments.
Dusty will win a Norm Smith one day. Lance Franklin had a worse reputation, imagine the backlash Hawks would be getting if Buddy was traded for an off field reputation and went on to be the 'star in a generation' wank that he is at another club.
Just a young footballer that is enjoying the lifestyle too much. Will grow up eventually.
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I've heard Dusty has come back to the club with a 9% skin fold. If true it would hardly suggest that he has been doing the wrong thing for the past 2 months.
Yeah coz doing the 'wrong thing' is always linked with increased skin folds...
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haha! Look at the tiger hordes go! :clapping
You really want to see that beast running around for GWS?
Dustin will rise again, and we'll all be talking about how he will be one of the best players the club has ever seen. Just like we were half way through last year. :thumbsup
Dom Tyson? :lol How many of you have actually seen him play?
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I'd consider it for both WHE and Tyson.
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
Forgetting his other 2 good years? Pull it together
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It's very very simple.
He is going to be either of 2 things -
1 - superstar
2 - wasted talent that is a complete moron.
Club is working hard to make sure its number 1.
At least we are being pro-active.
Im sure it will work out. 12-18 months ago people were debating who would be our superstar out of cotch and dusty.
Lets hope in 12 months time its being debated again. If it is we will be neck deep in finals time
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Very humorous thread. Anyone remember his 1st qtr against Carlton and his last qtr effort sprinting 90m to smother and spill the ball about of bounds seconds before McLean won the game for them.
He'll settle down and will learn consistency. He's only 21, equal 10th in Best and Fairest isn't a failure of a year, he missed games with his suspension don't forget. Lets close pandoras box before the media starts 'selling' papers by running Martin bashing stories every 2nd week.
Mental thread.
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
Forgetting his other 2 good years? Pull it together
Yeah I am actually because the previous 2 years matter stuff all.
His performances dropped away last year and he was in hot water at the club with his mate DCon.
You're only as good as what you deliver and Martin's graph is headed in the wrong direction most recently.
Very humorous thread. Anyone remember his 1st qtr against Carlton and his last qtr effort sprinting 90m to smother and spill the ball about of bounds seconds before McLean won the game for them.
Yeah that was great and stood out like dogsballs because most of the time he's jogging behind his opponent with hands on hips.
Most of the time he plays lazy.
You can defend him all you want but the club can't afford slackers who take their eye of the ball no matter who they are.
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Relax people he will be fine
Some players have different attitudes
I'm mates with sewells good mate and he said buddy at one point needed hodge or someone equiv to go out with him most nights
Martin will be fine
I mean if we give 8 yrs to spuds like Edwards Jackson and Gus then I'm sure we can give a bit more to dusty
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He is 21 he is shagging hot birds and having fun , he needs a good girl that makes him say damm time to knuckle down i have kids a family and a career to worry about then the true Dusty will be unleashed , he needs a cause at the moment he is a compass without a needle at 21 i can't blame him ....
As long as he stays with us till he matures mentally i will be happy
2 more years of BS i think though before he finds his feet
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
No, I haven't forgotten. I just tend not to get hysterical over vague, out of season hun articles.
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You're only as good as what you deliver and Martin's graph is headed in the wrong direction most recently.
Did you see his last few games, he was chasing backsides more than he was chasing kicks. Once he achieves the right balance between the two he should become the complete player we've all been waiting to see.
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Worryingly this is the 2nd time in 3 years that he has had issues and behavioral problems over the pre-season. When you add that to his suspension during the year it does give cause for some concern. I'm comfortable that the club are handling this the right way but I don't know if they will be very lenient much more. I don't want to lose him but even more than that I don't want him to become a destabilising influence like Connors did - I would rather flick him if that became the case.
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
Forgetting his other 2 good years? Pull it together
Yeah I am actually because the previous 2 years matter stuff all.
His performances dropped away last year and he was in hot water at the club with his mate DCon.
You're only as good as what you deliver and Martin's graph is headed in the wrong direction most recently.
Very humorous thread. Anyone remember his 1st qtr against Carlton and his last qtr effort sprinting 90m to smother and spill the ball about of bounds seconds before McLean won the game for them.
Yeah that was great and stood out like dogsballs because most of the time he's jogging behind his opponent with hands on hips.
Most of the time he plays lazy.
You can defend him all you want but the club can't afford slackers who take their eye of the ball no matter who they are.
i gotta disagree imo his season was almost a mirror of the yr before. he sure didnt go backwards but i reckon peoples expectations soared.
we all know his weakness and the key to getting better is his aerobic capacity. until he builds a big enough tank he will plateu where he is. sometimes it takes players 4 or 5 seasons to build the tank.
if he cant build the tank he will play primarily as a forward with rotations thru the middle.
gary ablett took how long his first 5 yrs was spent primarily as a forward with rotations.
look at dangerfield this yr its taken him 5 yrs to go from primarily a forward to a permanent mid. martin is actually tracking better than both.
i dont understand the lack of patience this is more about expectations than anything martin has done wrong.
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or maybe Dermie was right ..hes a waddler....(gee i hope not)
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Settle down ladies and get off the soap boxes
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Apparently 'Choco' is on the case, I'm feeling more confident about the outcome now.
See post #8:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/get-to-work-choco.979836/
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You're only as good as what you deliver and Martin's graph is headed in the wrong direction most recently.
Did you see his last few games, he was chasing backsides more than he was chasing kicks. Once he achieves the right balance between the two he should become the complete player we've all been waiting to see.
Hes been chasing backsides in the off season-ones covered with minis :scream
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Since when do the stuffwits on BigFooty know Chocco personally and the "roles" he's to undertake?
LMAO @ Circle Jerking.
The post with such authoritative knowledge.
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BF Quote
"Anyhow, met him about a month ago, got talking to him, told him how I'm a diehard tigers man and welcome aboard.
Before the conversation ended, I said to him, "mate, please take care of Dusty". He replied with, "Yep, already been told that he's a project of mine".
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"I said to him, "mate, please take care of Dusty".
yeh....and he thought, "stuff off shitman"
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:lol
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or maybe Dermie was right ..hes a waddler....(gee i hope not)
One of the ever increasing occassions where an "expert" doesnt do their homework before shooting their mouth off. I recall when he saiud that, he was under the impression that Dusty wasnt very quick and felt in a few years hed be too heavy and would turn into a waddler, obviously didnt know that he's surprisingly very very quick off the mark, 2.9secs for 20 metres at draft camp from memory.
His tank will come eventually, people are built differently, some are power athletes, some explosive, will take him longer to build up an afl tank (as long as he's committed i have no problems with how hes tracking)
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Lazy bastard
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
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Say it again some stuff here :rollin :rollin
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Since when do the stuffwits on BigFooty know Chocco personally and the "roles" he's to undertake?
LMAO @ Circle Jerking.
The post with such authoritative knowledge.
Yeah most probably BS ;D But I thought I'd put it out there in any case.
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i gotta disagree imo his season was almost a mirror of the yr before. he sure didnt go backwards but i reckon peoples expectations soared.
we all know his weakness and the key to getting better is his aerobic capacity. until he builds a big enough tank he will plateu where he is. sometimes it takes players 4 or 5 seasons to build the tank.
if he cant build the tank he will play primarily as a forward with rotations thru the middle.
gary ablett took how long his first 5 yrs was spent primarily as a forward with rotations.
look at dangerfield this yr its taken him 5 yrs to go from primarily a forward to a permanent mid. martin is actually tracking better than both.
i dont understand the lack of patience this is more about expectations than anything martin has done wrong.
You make a valid point. Sure expectations rose but he didn't get anywhere near them.
I'd just have been as happy with a season like '11 but aside from the club enforced suspension there were some genuine warning signs.
His kicking was well off last year both for goal and in particular his short kicking. The number of turnovers he caused last year under no pressure was McGuane like. Simply not up to the expectations of previous. He also played very few if any 4 quarter games of fooball which suggested that he was either nowhere near fit enough or focussed enough.
I think his equal 10th place finish in the B&F was about where he sat for the season he had and it was down on his previous two years.
That is a concern for mine.
Everyone expects him to improve but perhaps this is as good as it's going to get and perhaps it's going to get worse?
Is he a manchild who burst onto the scene or is he something more.
Who really knows but this year will tell us a lot more about Dusty.
My sense is he needs to extract the digit bigtime. Hoping he can but some cats just don't get it.
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His kicking was well off last year both for goal and in particular his short kicking. The number of turnovers he caused last year under no pressure was McGuane like. Simply not up to the expectations of previous.
actually been a problem since day 1, not so much the goal kicking.
Edited to correct quote
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Since when do the stuffwits on BigFooty know Chocco personally and the "roles" he's to undertake?
LMAO @ Circle Jerking.
The post with such authoritative knowledge.
:lol :thumbsup
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My sense is he needs to extract the digit bigtime. Hoping he can but some cats just don't get it.
Amen. There's the crux of the problem right there.
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Relax people he will be fine
Some players have different attitudes
I'm mates with sewells good mate and he said buddy at one point needed hodge or someone equiv to go out with him most nights
Martin will be fine
I mean if we give 8 yrs to spuds like Edwards Jackson and Gus then I'm sure we can give a bit more to dusty
Well said Daniel. Storm in a teacup this.
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He is 21 he is shagging hot birds and having fun , he needs a good girl that makes him say damm time to knuckle down i have kids a family and a career to worry about then the true Dusty will be unleashed , he needs a cause at the moment he is a compass without a needle at 21 i can't blame him ....
As long as he stays with us till he matures mentally i will be happy
2 more years of BS i think though before he finds his feet
Exactly, nothing wrong with a bad boy, as long as his onfield doesn't suffer. John Terry for example, peees on society every year in a new way and yet still the best defender in England.
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
He is maori.. Brutha
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
He is maori.. Brutha
What's the diff bro
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
He is maori.. Brutha
What's the diff bro
The suburb you live in.
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
He is maori.. Brutha
What's the diff bro
The suburb you live in.
:D
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:lol
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:rollin choice!
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Tend to agree that his kicking can at times be woefull.I think his kicking problem is just laziness on his behalf because there are times when he unloads either at goal or to a teamate when i sit in awe of his kicking.Laziness seems to be a a common theme with Dusty i reckon
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
He is maori.. Brutha
What's the diff bro
tongans are from tonga
maori from new zealand
during cannabilism, tongans eat feet first,, moari eat head first ;D
all Polynesian but different, its like calling an italian a greek, asking for a death wish
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
Forgetting his other 2 good years? Pull it together
Yeah I am actually because the previous 2 years matter stuff all.
His performances dropped away last year and he was in hot water at the club with his mate DCon.
You're only as good as what you deliver and Martin's graph is headed in the wrong direction most recently.
Very humorous thread. Anyone remember his 1st qtr against Carlton and his last qtr effort sprinting 90m to smother and spill the ball about of bounds seconds before McLean won the game for them.
Yeah that was great and stood out like dogsballs because most of the time he's jogging behind his opponent with hands on hips.
Most of the time he plays lazy.
You can defend him all you want but the club can't afford slackers who take their eye of the ball no matter who they are.
i gotta disagree imo his season was almost a mirror of the yr before. he sure didnt go backwards but i reckon peoples expectations soared.
we all know his weakness and the key to getting better is his aerobic capacity. until he builds a big enough tank he will plateu where he is. sometimes it takes players 4 or 5 seasons to build the tank.
if he cant build the tank he will play primarily as a forward with rotations thru the middle.
gary ablett took how long his first 5 yrs was spent primarily as a forward with rotations.
look at dangerfield this yr its taken him 5 yrs to go from primarily a forward to a permanent mid. martin is actually tracking better than both.
i dont understand the lack of patience this is more about expectations than anything martin has done wrong.
I agree Claw. The only thing that went backwards this year was Dusty's goalkicking. Whereas in 2011 he had games where he'd hurt the opposition on the scoreboard from midfield (eg: 4 goals in our come from behind win over North); this year he was kicking a lot of points from gettable shots so he wasn't having those 'momentum' goal games that stand out.
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Lazy bastard
Get his old man to threaten to send him home to Tonga ;D
He is maori.. Brutha
What's the diff bro
tongans are from tonga
maori from new zealand
during cannabilism, tongans eat feet first,, moari eat head first ;D
all Polynesian but different, its like calling an italian a greek, asking for a death wish
We're all human.
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Not happy with the snip >:(
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Not happy with the snip >:(
Smile be happy lol
And are we all human lol
Some like tom cruise are alien lol
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Not happy with the snip >:(
Smile be happy lol
And are we all human lol
Some like tom cruise are alien lol
Vlad is a hairy monkey from outer space
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Not happy with the snip >:(
Smile be happy lol
And are we all human lol
Some like tom cruise are alien lol
Vlad is a hairy monkey from outer space
I am a hairy monkey from inner space lol
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Not happy with the snip >:(
Neither was my dog.
I think Rodan was from Tonga/Samoa
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pretty sure its Fiji
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same shet
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Elephant and lion same.... Both eat Both poo both die... Elephant lion same
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Elephant and lion same.... Both eat Both Sh it both die... Elephant lion same
Richo and Lloyd the same.
Both lead both mark both goal both sh...
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Dustin Martin is destined to become a legend of this club, and you guys are shipping him off to GWS based on a HS article! :lol
Forgotten the sleeping pill incident have we? Equal 10th in the B&F last year..
Snap out of it, he's got to pull it together.
Forgetting his other 2 good years? Pull it together
Yeah I am actually because the previous 2 years matter stuff all.
His performances dropped away last year and he was in hot water at the club with his mate DCon.
You're only as good as what you deliver and Martin's graph is headed in the wrong direction most recently.
Very humorous thread. Anyone remember his 1st qtr against Carlton and his last qtr effort sprinting 90m to smother and spill the ball about of bounds seconds before McLean won the game for them.
Yeah that was great and stood out like dogsballs because most of the time he's jogging behind his opponent with hands on hips.
Most of the time he plays lazy.
You can defend him all you want but the club can't afford slackers who take their eye of the ball no matter who they are.
i gotta disagree imo his season was almost a mirror of the yr before. he sure didnt go backwards but i reckon peoples expectations soared.
we all know his weakness and the key to getting better is his aerobic capacity. until he builds a big enough tank he will plateu where he is. sometimes it takes players 4 or 5 seasons to build the tank.
if he cant build the tank he will play primarily as a forward with rotations thru the middle.
gary ablett took how long his first 5 yrs was spent primarily as a forward with rotations.
look at dangerfield this yr its taken him 5 yrs to go from primarily a forward to a permanent mid. martin is actually tracking better than both.
i dont understand the lack of patience this is more about expectations than anything martin has done wrong.
I agree Claw. The only thing that went backwards this year was Dusty's goalkicking. Whereas in 2011 he had games where he'd hurt the opposition on the scoreboard from midfield (eg: 4 goals in our come from behind win over North); this year he was kicking a lot of points from gettable shots so he wasn't having those 'momentum' goal games that stand out.
A fair analysis
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DustinMartin4 twitter:
"Wowee !! awesome sesh today ! lunch then chill by the pool until weights this arvo #cairns ☀🏊 "
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DustinMartin4 twitter:
"Wowee !! awesome sesh today ! lunch then chill by the pool until weights this arvo #cairns ☀🏊 "
Is Connors there?
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DustinMartin4 twitter:
"Wowee !! awesome sesh today ! lunch then chill by the pool until weights this arvo #cairns ☀🏊 "
Is Connors there?
They were teleconferencing :whistle
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DustinMartin4 twitter:
"Wowee !! awesome sesh today ! lunch then chill by the pool until weights this arvo #cairns ☀🏊 "
Is Connors there?
They were teleconferencing :whistle
:lol
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Lollll
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
Serious?
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
Serious?
Yeah I am. At a boxing match
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
Serious?
Yeah I am. At a boxing match
What were they boxing?
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
Serious?
Yeah I am. At a boxing match
What were they boxing?
Ears
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
Serious?
Yeah I am. At a boxing match
What were they boxing?
Ears
(http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/popeye.jpg)
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This will surely get a whinge by some :lol
Been seen hanging out with Buddy Franklin
Bit of a posse happnin.
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Choco has Martin in 'extraordinary' shape
By Jennifer Witham
afl.com.au
Monday, December 10, 2012
WAYWARD midfielder Dustin Martin is in "extraordinary" form on the training track after responding to the mentoring of new Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams.
Martin, who has made headlines in his short career for his off-field behaviour – and was suspended this year after missing a training session in July - has become a focus for Williams in his new role.
And according to teammate Bachar Houli, Williams' impression on the 21-year-old midfielder has been immediate and nothing short of stunning.
"He's there for a reason for our development in terms of the younger kids and his progress is very positive," Houli said on Monday.
"The way Dustin is going about his training these days is extraordinary.
"He's right up there with his fitness, skills, he's becoming more vocal on the track as well.
"With this short period of time, Dustin's come a long way and I've no doubt that's going to turn into good footy once the season begins."
Martin was suspended for two matches after it was revealed he took prescription sleeping medication and missed a training session. The incident ended the career of his close friend Daniel Connors who had a history of off-field incidents during his time at the club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-10/choco-has-martin-in-extraordinary-shape
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Deja vu
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Is Bojangles really Bachar Houli? :whistle :shh
Pretty excited by that article though. ;D
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Membership time. ;D
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The fact that it came out of the mouth of Houli probably means that it isn't spin for memberships.
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Houli has always come across as a thick nuffer that thinks he knows what he's talking about and likes to hear the sound of his own voice, a lot like Dan Jackson, Coach Davey, and myself
It's called 'leadership' nowadays
Go Tiges :thumbsup
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:lol
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:lol
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Houli has always come across as a thick nuffer that thinks he knows what he's talking about and likes to hear the sound of his own voice, a lot like Dan Jackson, Coach Davey, and myself
It's called 'leadership' nowadays
Go Tiges :thumbsup
Before coach says it gerks, it appears that you like to surround yourself with greatness. ;D
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Houli has always come across as a thick nuffer that thinks he knows what he's talking about and likes to hear the sound of his own voice, a lot like Dan Jackson, Coach Davey, and myself
It's called 'leadership' nowadays
Go Tiges :thumbsup
What can I say.....:cheers
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Houli has always come across as a thick nuffer that thinks he knows what he's talking about and likes to hear the sound of his own voice, a lot like Dan Jackson, Coach Davey, and myself
It's called 'leadership' nowadays
Go Tiges :thumbsup
Yes but being Muslim is like gold for the AFL human resource management/ marketing gurus
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The fact that it came out of the mouth of Houli probably means that it isn't spin for memberships.
Why not? Is he going to say he's at the back of the pack?
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WTF is everyone so down about Martin for, stuff me, guy will be a star....
Go Martin prove these clowns wrong, some of you rate Edwards better......unreal.....just unreal... :huh
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i think you're making thing up there.
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i think you're making thing up there.
WAT? Never. ;D
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WTF is everyone so down about Martin for, stuff me, guy will be a star....
Go Martin prove these clowns wrong, some of you rate Edwards better......unreal.....just unreal... :huh
'Clowns' eh?
Who rates Edwards better?
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WTF is everyone so down about Martin for, stuff me, guy will be a star....
Go Martin prove these clowns wrong, some of you rate Edwards better......unreal.....just unreal... :huh
'Clowns' eh?
Who rates Edwards better?
:lol :help........you guys.....
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What Wat? I can hear that damn Samwell song in my head again
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What Wat? I can hear that damn Samwell song in my head again
:laugh:
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How coincedental...
Not starting rumors, just repeating what happened.
:banghead.................. :banghead
.... then I saw this thread without reading it and was like hmmm intresting and after reading that choco article it becomes quite clear how many knobhead Richmond detractors there is out there.
They will always seek our blood, I hope dusty splits someone in hald next season with an open hand whilst on the field :shh
Edited: Understand the point you were trying to make but what you posted was still a"rumour" and for legal reason had to be removed. We will repeat again you cannot post under any circumstances unsubstantiated rumours as you open the site up to possible legal action.
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The Herald-Sun today panned Dusty:
YEAR TO FORGET
Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin stalled in his development, was panned for his off-field behaviour, and had a club-imposed suspension for missing training.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/footy-simply-irresistible-in-2012/story-e6frf9jf-1226542742888
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A direct to the point viewpoint of Dusty .....
Fantasy Footy Radar 2013 – Dustin Martin
Jock Reynolds
www.jockreynolds.com.au
January 5, 2013
Jock’s Verdict:
Here’s this kid from Castlemaine. Been out bush. Played a few good games in the seniors… has a crack at the TAC Cup and dominates. Before he knows it he’s snapped up by the Tigers, shows some form. He’s told the sun shines out of his pip and thinks he’s the ants pants. Wouldn’t any 19 year old?
How easy’s this caper? He reckons. I’ve pulled my finger out pre season 2011 and BANG. I’ve done the hard yards now. I’m respected. Coach reckons I’ve made the grade.
But it doesn’t work that way in the big time Dusty. Respect is earnt and needs to be kept. Elite performance requires elite preparation.
Dustin will decide in 2013 if he wants to be an elite AFL footballer.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2013/01/05/fantasy-footy-radar-2013-dustin-martin/
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Big fan of Jock and co :cheers Crouching is a Tiger bloke too. Jock loves a chat through the comments part on his site and through the Facebook page
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Round 22 v the Dongs
4th qtr
Don't argues Crameri and dislocates his shoulder
:bow
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Mentoring OHanlon :cheers
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There's no news on him ! Those nasty rumours have gotta be false!
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There's no news on him ! Those nasty rumours have gotta be false!
you'd know, you started them!!!
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There's no news on him ! Those nasty rumours have gotta be false!
you'd know, you started them!!!
:(
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Poor Mrakov..it wont be long before he gets accused of being the 2nd sniper at the texas book depository
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Poor Mrakov..it wont be long before he gets accused of being the 2nd sniper at the texas book depository
Have already been accused
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who were you working for Mrakov on that fatefull day in 1963..fess up
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There's no news on him ! Those nasty rumours have gotta be false!
Either that or the club has done a good job at covering up so as to not harm his trade value at the end of the year
:outtahere
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interesting point of view about clubs covering up players antics.It has always happened .just wondering do clubs open themeselves up to even more scrutiny when i would imagine some of the activities they cover up is bordering on illegal.Whats the moral obligation of AFL clubs regarding this?
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depends what you mean by covering up mate...if we were to believe half of the tripe served in last 2-3 days , DM would be a key character in next series of underbelly, put asie that smear campaign and Im not sure the club needs to go public when a player fails to park between the lines or spills some cordial on the gym floor :lol
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I was speaking in general terms and certainly didnt mean to focus on what dusty is or is not doing
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who were you working for Mrakov on that fatefull day in 1963..fess up
UDBA
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who the hell are they ?
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who the hell are they ?
Google it lol
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The secret police of Yugoslavia??????????????
they killed kennedy?..lmao :lol
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The secret police of Yugoslavia??????????????
they killed kennedy?..lmao :lol
Sure did. Kennedivich was a Serbian ultra nationalist
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WTF is this continual sumising of Martin being in trouble...FFS move on... :banghead
Let the guy play and get off his stuffing back, this has turned into a very boring thread!!!
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WTF is this continual sumising of Martin being in trouble...FFS move on... :banghead
Let the guy play and get off his stuffing back, this has turned into a very boring thread!!!
I agree WAT, a few ppl in here need a good long turkey slap, either that or close the thread...
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
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A direct to the point viewpoint of Dusty .....
Fantasy Footy Radar 2013 – Dustin Martin
Jock Reynolds
www.jockreynolds.com.au
January 5, 2013
Jock’s Verdict:
Here’s this kid from Castlemaine. Been out bush. Played a few good games in the seniors… has a crack at the TAC Cup and dominates. Before he knows it he’s snapped up by the Tigers, shows some form. He’s told the sun shines out of his pip and thinks he’s the ants pants. Wouldn’t any 19 year old?
How easy’s this caper? He reckons. I’ve pulled my finger out pre season 2011 and BANG. I’ve done the hard yards now. I’m respected. Coach reckons I’ve made the grade.
But it doesn’t work that way in the big time Dusty. Respect is earnt and needs to be kept. Elite performance requires elite preparation.
Dustin will decide in 2013 if he wants to be an elite AFL footballer.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2013/01/05/fantasy-footy-radar-2013-dustin-martin/
Who's this Jocko prick - I like him!
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Jock ;D
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right.
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A direct to the point viewpoint of Dusty .....
Fantasy Footy Radar 2013 – Dustin Martin
Jock Reynolds
www.jockreynolds.com.au
January 5, 2013
Jock’s Verdict:
Here’s this kid from Castlemaine. Been out bush. Played a few good games in the seniors… has a crack at the TAC Cup and dominates. Before he knows it he’s snapped up by the Tigers, shows some form. He’s told the sun shines out of his pip and thinks he’s the ants pants. Wouldn’t any 19 year old?
How easy’s this caper? He reckons. I’ve pulled my finger out pre season 2011 and BANG. I’ve done the hard yards now. I’m respected. Coach reckons I’ve made the grade.
But it doesn’t work that way in the big time Dusty. Respect is earnt and needs to be kept. Elite performance requires elite preparation.
Dustin will decide in 2013 if he wants to be an elite AFL footballer.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2013/01/05/fantasy-footy-radar-2013-dustin-martin/
Who's this Jocko prick - I like him!
Biggest champ of fantasy footy :cheers his podcasts can be dead set rippers.
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Jock ;D
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Biggest champ of fantasy footy
>:(
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Biggest champ of fantasy footy
>:(
>:( that's because every time I jump on FIFA you're not online :'(
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I actually ran into Dusty tonight, was having a meal with Kingy and Jacko he even took 5 minuts to sign an autograph for the young fella......Great bloke is the dusted one!
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Biggest champ of fantasy footy
>:(
>:( that's because every time I jump on FIFA you're not online :'(
You need to go on Steam more.
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Biggest champ of fantasy footy
>:(
>:( that's because every time I jump on FIFA you're not online :'(
You need to go on Steam more.
Haven't been lately because nothing is worth playing at the moment and I suck too much at DOTA2 ;D
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Biggest champ of fantasy footy
>:(
>:( that's because every time I jump on FIFA you're not online :'(
You need to go on Steam more.
Haven't been lately because nothing is worth playing at the moment and I suck too much at DOTA2 ;D
The only way to get better is to play more ;)
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Dustin time
Jon Pierik
The Age
January 29, 2013
WHILE Dustin Martin continues to learn the lifestyle standards required of an elite AFL player, on the field the enigmatic young Richmond star has impressed with his commitment.
Rookie Tigers captain Trent Cotchin said Martin's performance at a training session in Pakenham on Friday had been particularly impressive.
''It was probably one of the best individual training sessions I have seen from him,'' Cotchin told Fairfax Media on Monday.
''It's very exciting for him … He has been running well.
''It's exciting for us and the fans. We just have to make sure he stays injury free and, hopefully, he will have his best year yet.''
Martin's off-field lifestyle remains a work in progress for the Tigers in a year in which the robust forward and midfielder is off contract and hopes to secure a long-term deal.
Preliminary discussions between the club and Martin's management have begun.
While his talent is undeniable, the 21-year-old has yet to understand the disciplines required after shifting out of the home of president Gary March.
Mark Williams, the former Port Adelaide premiership coach now a development coach with the Tigers, is working closely with Martin.
He has been banned from socialising with former teammate Daniel Connors - although there have been reports of sightings of the pair together.
Martin was suspended for two matches and Connors sacked after they slept in and missed a training session in July. The pair had abused sleeping pills, with Martin revealing he had taken prescription pills from a friend after drinking.
Former skipper Chris Newman said earlier this month Martin, who had Ben Cousins as his idol, was ''still trying to develop himself, not only as a footballer but as a person''.
''Off-field, we've got a standard that we set that everyone has to adhere to,'' Newman said. ''Dustin's still trying to get that good balance between having a healthy lifestyle outside of football and also delivering on the field.''
Coach Damien Hardwick, who is said to have had stern words with Martin over the Christmas period, says it is during the off-season when Martin could lose his way and has urged him to find an interest outside of the club.
Cotchin said Martin, the third overall pick in the 2009 national draft, had benefited from another pre-season. ''His fitness has improved over the pre-season. Especially the way the rotations are going I think we are going to have to find him even more time in the midfield, but he will cope with that just fine,'' he said.
''As we all know, he is very dangerous when he goes forward. There is no doubt we will throw him down there as well.''
After a superb 2011 campaign in which he finished third in the best and fairest, Martin did not develop as the Tigers had hoped last year, finishing equal 10th in the count for the Jack Dyer Medal.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-time-20130128-2dh83.html#ixzz2JHVL19jz
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Will be a gun this year, better than 2011, needs support from players and fans alike, this kid could become anything!!
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this kid could become anything!!
Prophetic words WAT - anything good or anything bad. The choice is entirely Dustin's but he's only going to get one serious crack at the title. Stuff it up once and he will never be able to achieve his full potential in the football arena. Life? Sure, you get any number of chances but not in football, not at the top level. You might get a second or even third stint somewhere but at a reduced income and with reduced respect. The respect is just as important as income as its a door and opportunity opener in life after football.
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Not an overstatement to say he is a crucial player in our plans for this season.
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this kid could become anything!!
Prophetic words WAT - anything good or anything bad. The choice is entirely Dustin's but he's only going to get one serious crack at the title. Stuff it up once and he will never be able to achieve his full potential in the football arena. Life? Sure, you get any number of chances but not in football, not at the top level. You might get a second or even third stint somewhere but at a reduced income and with reduced respect. The respect is just as important as income as its a door and opportunity opener in life after football.
Well I am on the side of anything good!
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
The sleeping pills incidence....
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
The sleeping pills incidence....
Yes we all know about that, it's the circumstancial, unproven crap that has been brought up lately (on this forum and then deleted), that is what I was refeering to..most others got the gist!!!! ;)
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Dwaino - Where did u get the gif of Chris Judd?
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Dwaino - Where did u get the gif of Chris Judd?
I took it at the Visy Christmas party.
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:lol
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
The sleeping pills incidence....
Yes we all know about that, it's the circumstancial, unproven crap that has been brought up lately (on this forum and then deleted), that is what I was refeering to..most others got the gist!!!! ;)
But that is what "gave the world ammunition." Don't ask for proof and evidence if you don't want to hear it :wallywink
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
The sleeping pills incidence....
Yes we all know about that, it's the circumstancial, unproven crap that has been brought up lately (on this forum and then deleted), that is what I was refeering to..most others got the gist!!!! ;)
But that is what "gave the world ammunition." Don't ask for proof and evidence if you don't want to hear it :wallywink
Missing my point, yet again. :whistle
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
The sleeping pills incidence....
Yes we all know about that, it's the circumstancial, unproven crap that has been brought up lately (on this forum and then deleted), that is what I was refeering to..most others got the gist!!!! ;)
But that is what "gave the world ammunition." Don't ask for proof and evidence if you don't want to hear it :wallywink
Missing my point, yet again. :whistle
I know what you're trying to say, but you're choosing to ignore where he has proven he has a problem which I would say is giving power to all these rumours.
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would love nothing more than to get off his back as you put it.would love nothing more than to let the big"dont argue" do the talking on the football field..But dusty needs to stop giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly.
"giving the world ammunition with which the world passes judgement,rightly or wrongly"
Um...sorry, but proof please, evidence..... :huh
This is what I mean, it's all here say, people need to stop judging this bloke on circumstancial eveidence....
The sleeping pills incidence....
Yes we all know about that, it's the circumstancial, unproven crap that has been brought up lately (on this forum and then deleted), that is what I was refeering to..most others got the gist!!!! ;)
But that is what "gave the world ammunition." Don't ask for proof and evidence if you don't want to hear it :wallywink
Missing my point, yet again. :whistle
I know what you're trying to say, but you're choosing to ignore where he has proven he has a problem which I would say is giving power to all these rumours.
I am not ignoring anything mate, he has had one incident and as you say the rest are unsubstantiated rumours and that is what you are playing on, rumours, nothing but rumours!!!
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Hopefully tonight is the beginning of Dusty putting his head down and shutting up his critics onfield. Our best on ground.
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Was probably our best, but pretty sloppy with his disposal I thought. Effort was certainly there.
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Dustin Martin @DustinMartin4
Thanks @adidasAU for the new wheels .. Awesome !!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCyApghCQAAYO_A.jpg:large)
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I reckon Dusty is just about sick of all the BS that has been reported this off season, and is about to grab the competition by the scruff. Round 1 cannot come quick enough :pray
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Now this thread has been bumped inb4 someone posts something that is snipped. WP and OE should keep thread open on their laptops all day. :whistle
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Rumours are flying....?
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Rumours are flying....?
Only the same totally made-up ones from last time and the time before that etc... ::) (not going to post the garbage for legal reasons) by pathetic tryhard twitter trolls who clearly hate and fear Richmond and even hide behind fake media twitter accounts ::) :sleep. The Herald-Sun's Jon Ralph confirmed the rumours were utter rubbish last time so don't give them the time of day.
Move along ppl.; don't feed the twitter trolls and stick to the actual factual footy discussion.
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Rumours are flying....?
Only the same totally made-up ones from last time and the time before that etc... ::) (not going to post the garbage for legal reasons) by pathetic tryhard twitter trolls who clearly hate and fear Richmond and even hide behind fake media twitter accounts ::) :sleep. The Herald-Sun's Jon Ralph confirmed the rumours were utter rubbish last time so don't give them the time of day.
Move along ppl.; don't feed the twitter trolls and stick to the actual factual footy discussion.
They have probably been started by Bomber Thompson and James Hird to take the heat off Essendope ;D
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
SNIP
Cannot believe what I've just had to snip talk about stupidity :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Which part of you cannot post any unsubstantiated rumours do people not understand :banghead :banghead
For the final time you cannot do it as it opens this site up to massive legal trouble
As we've posted in the last couple of week just after Xmas we had to deal with an ex AFL player with regard to something that was posted late last year as well as something that was posted over 2 years ago. It took over a week to sort the mess out and it wasn't pleasant
Fact: Legal people read these sites and contact us when a line is crossed.
I dont' think we are asking for much when ask people not post rumours (unproven) and innuendo on the forum
And yes folks I am angry; bloody angry
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"Legal people" lolz
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
SNIP
Cannot believe what I've just had to snip talk about stupidity :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Which part of you cannot post any unsubstantiated rumours do people not understand :banghead :banghead
For the final time you cannot do it as it opens this site up to massive legal trouble
As we've posted in the last couple of week just after Xmas we had to deal with an ex AFL player with regard to something that was posted late last year as well as something that was posted over 2 years ago. It took over a week to sort the mess out and it wasn't pleasant
Fact: Legal people read these sites and contact us when a line is crossed.
I dont' think we are asking for much when ask people not post rumours (unproven) and innuendo on the forum
And yes folks I am angry; bloody angry
x2...... :clapping :clapping :clapping
BTW, get the stuff off Martins back, it's becoming worse than the Cousins poo from years ago, some of you lot are worse than the press!!!! Have a look how you almost gloat at the possibility of it, you make me sick!!
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"Legal people" lolz
Would you like to see the emails gerks?
But I am glad you think it's funny
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I'm actually starting to get annoyed with the amount of people here digging in the same holes trying to find something that isn't here...
Some of you actually want a stuffen problem with him so he can be traded to GWS for two of their stuffen boy band look alikes, time to stuff off :banghead
I can hack potshots at greg white and jackson and goose etc when they stuff up, I've been guilty of that for sure. But we keep coming back here and looking for the same things that aren't there..
FFS if Damien Barrett hasn't found it by now its not there!! :thumbsup
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That ridiculous Press Conference last week is to blame. They should have charged the players/clubs involved or continued with discreet investigations until they had enough evidence to do so. The media circus was arranged precisely because they have F/A and want to spook any would be squibs. We shouldn't contribute to this farce.
On a positive note. Dusty looked re-invigorated last week in the 'Indig' praccy match. He will be a force this year with Maric, Cotch and Lids as his midfield mates.
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;D
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
SNIP
Cannot believe what I've just had to snip talk about stupidity :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Which part of you cannot post any unsubstantiated rumours do people not understand :banghead :banghead
For the final time you cannot do it as it opens this site up to massive legal trouble
As we've posted in the last couple of week just after Xmas we had to deal with an ex AFL player with regard to something that was posted late last year as well as something that was posted over 2 years ago. It took over a week to sort the mess out and it wasn't pleasant
Fact: Legal people read these sites and contact us when a line is crossed.
I dont' think we are asking for much when ask people not post rumours (unproven) and innuendo on the forum
And yes folks I am angry; bloody angry
What a sook. "Mummy someone I don't know said something mean about me on the internet."
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I believe Robbo
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;D
Double entendre unintended :shh
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"Legal people" lolz
Would you like to see the emails gerks?
But I am glad you think it's funny
Just laughing at the term "legal people", I thought they were called "lawyers" ;D
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"Legal people" lolz
Would you like to see the emails gerks?
But I am glad you think it's funny
Just laughing at the term "legal people", I thought they were called "lawyers" ;D
The lawyers get the plebs to read websites
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Don't let these plebs push you around Bill ;D
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Don't let these plebs push you around Bill ;D
Plebs read, lawyers write
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"legal people" ;)
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My factor will call on your factor
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
Its called power trip ;)
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
You can't
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
You can't
So why was it deleted?
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
You can't
So why was it deleted?
I didn't delete it ;D
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dont think martin has done anything that most other 21 yr old kids have done. yet like a big bunch of girls everyone has to gossip. its as if we are in the the hair dressing shop with a bunch of catty girls getting their claws out and putting down anyone and anything. leave the gossip for the girls fellas and treat people the way you want to be treated yourselves.
pretty simple really put your self in the other blokes shoes and ask how would i like it.
internet forums every where are being over run with dorrie evanses it really is pathetic.
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dont think martin has done anything that most other 21 yr old kids have done. yet like a big bunch of girls everyone has to gossip. its as if we are in the the hair dressing shop with a bunch of catty girls getting their claws out and putting down anyone and anything. leave the gossip for the girls fellas and treat people the way you want to be treated yourselves.
pretty simple really put your self in the other blokes shoes and ask how would i like it.
internet forums every where are being over run with dorrie evanses it really is pathetic.
:clapping Well said. Not only is the gossiping annoying it's also incorrect. :thumbsup
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
Look at the thread title ::) ::) and then consider what you posted :banghead :banghead
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
Look at the thread title ::) ::) and then consider what you posted :banghead :banghead
Doesn't matter WP. My reference could have been to anybody in out team. Many players are discussed on posts that have nothing to do with them. To have legal proceedings against you the plaintiff must prove that you were discussing him beyond any reasonable doubt. I am pretty sure about that!
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
Look at the thread title ::) ::) and then consider what you posted :banghead :banghead
Doesn't matter WP. My reference could have been to anybody in out team. Many players are discussed on posts that have nothing to do with them. To have legal proceedings against you the plaintiff must prove that you were discussing him beyond any reasonable doubt. I am pretty sure about that!
In civil cases which defamation cases are it is Burden of Proof that needs to be proven but I digrese
The legal advice we have received over the years is very clear and because of that we take no chances even when things fall into the "grey area" and we make no apologies for it . And yes after what happened in January we are more cautious than ever for good reason
The fact is you posted an unfounded rumour (which we've asked numerous times for people not to do, hence why they get removed) about a player in a thread that has a players name as its title. Our legal advice has been and continues to be in civil cases there are a number of tests that are applied re defamation. One of those tests is what would a reasonable person think? Apply that to what you posted and hopefully it is clear as to ONE of the reasons your post was removed.
But at the end of the day the main fundamental reason your post was removed was simply you posted an unproven rumour
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But at the end of the day the main fundamental reason your post was removed was simply you posted an unproven rumour
Yes, a bogus rumour that has now been rehashed time and time again on the net. It's complete garbage ::).
The fact is you posted an unfounded rumour (which we've asked numerous times for people not to do, hence why they get removed) about a player in a thread that has a players name as its title. Our legal advice has been and continues to be in civil cases there are a number of tests that are applied re defamation. One of those tests is what would a reasonable person think? Apply that to what you posted and hopefully it is clear as to ONE of the reasons your post was removed.
Correct. Using "our lad" in the context it was posted wouldn't make any reasonable person think it was about anyone else but the player in the thread title.
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But at the end of the day the main fundamental reason your post was removed was simply you posted an unproven rumour
Yes, a bogus rumour that has now been rehashed time and time again on the net. It's complete garbage ::).
Bit like the Armstrong one was until he finally admitted it ;)
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I cannot understand. My post was deleted yet I never mentioned a name!
How can I be sued for mentioning no one?
Look at the thread title ::) ::) and then consider what you posted :banghead :banghead
Doesn't matter WP. My reference could have been to anybody in out team. Many players are discussed on posts that have nothing to do with them. To have legal proceedings against you the plaintiff must prove that you were discussing him beyond any reasonable doubt. I am pretty sure about that!
In civil cases which defamation cases are it is Burden of Proof that needs to be proven but I digrese
The legal advice we have received over the years is very clear and because of that we take no chances even when things fall into the "grey area" and we make no apologies for it . And yes after what happened in January we are more cautious than ever for good reason
The fact is you posted an unfounded rumour (which we've asked numerous times for people not to do, hence why they get removed) about a player in a thread that has a players name as its title. Our legal advice has been and continues to be in civil cases there are a number of tests that are applied re defamation. One of those tests is what would a reasonable person think? Apply that to what you posted and hopefully it is clear as to ONE of the reasons your post was removed.
But at the end of the day the main fundamental reason your post was removed was simply you posted an unproven rumour
Thanks WP!
I don't usually post rumours like that but I have been inundated with calls from supporters asking me to verify something I'd never heard of! I was just trying to see if there was ANY evidence at all that this rumour was true. Sorry.
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Snip! :banghead
Thread locked for the time being as clearly some ppl still don't get the rules ::).
But at the end of the day the main fundamental reason your post was removed was simply you posted an unproven rumour
Yes, a bogus rumour that has now been rehashed time and time again on the net. It's complete garbage ::).
Bit like the Armstrong one was until he finally admitted it ;)
But at the end of the day the main fundamental reason your post was removed was simply you posted an unproven rumour
Yes, a bogus rumour that has now been rehashed time and time again on the net. It's complete garbage ::).
Bit like the Armstrong one was until he finally admitted it ;)
No winking about it. It's all made-up garbage. Even Jon Ralph said last time it was all rubbish. This time it was obviously crap as we had a couple of tryhard losers on twitter rehashing the same old crap via fake media accounts trying to pretend it was "breaking news" ::).
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Without naming the player or club, Jon Ralph on SEN this morning mentioned there is a rumour going around at the moment which is definitely not true and is causing frustration to the player in question.
The club involved has contacted the relevant authorities to enquire about the rumours and have been told there is nothing to them. The club is now pretty peeed off about the rumours and the constant badgering.
Was at the Capital Tigers (Canberra RFC supporters group) last night and heard from within the club that although Dusty went off track a while back he is right in the zone now, and Chocca is doing really good stuff with him. These are just rehashed stupid rumours from ages ago that mean nothing, except people with the IQ of a bug and the empathy of a mosquito have too much time on their hands.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-time.987702/page-6
Further affirmation that these rumours going around and being rehashed are made-up crap!
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Well lets keep this football related please, without snide remarks, honestly please rise above the rubbish.
I honestly feel that Dustin has been unfairly treaded as a footballer comparative to the draft picks that went above him. Scully and Trengove have done far less than Martin IMO in the years since the draft.
While Dustins disposal was apparently lacking the other night he clearly got enough of it. First game so I think he will improve.
I honestly feel that as a footballer he will be elite, I think he will improve on 2011 this year, he will become and extremely important pert of our team and one that other teams find hard to stop.
This kid will become a match winner, he has the smarts and the talent, with Choco working with him he will develop quicker.
Go Dustin, at pick 3 you have already proved to be better than both Scully & Trengove.
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reckon he's going to unleash beastmode this season
(http://www.ourreallybigadventure.com/australia_nz/pictures/rotorua/7maori_warrior2.jpg)
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Dustys gonna ram his knob so far up the critics and the morons its not funny. Dusty is gonna have a great year IMHO. Minimum 17 votes in the Brownlow - absolute Minimum. Kids a superstar!
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Without naming the player or club, Jon Ralph on SEN this morning mentioned there is a rumour going around at the moment which is definitely not true and is causing frustration to the player in question.
The club involved has contacted the relevant authorities to enquire about the rumours and have been told there is nothing to them. The club is now pretty peeed off about the rumours and the constant badgering.
Was at the Capital Tigers (Canberra RFC supporters group) last night and heard from within the club that although Dusty went off track a while back he is right in the zone now, and Chocca is doing really good stuff with him. These are just rehashed stupid rumours from ages ago that mean nothing, except people with the IQ of a bug and the empathy of a mosquito have too much time on their hands.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-time.987702/page-6
Further affirmation that these rumours going around and being rehashed are made-up crap!
I hope the wankers here who keep bringing it up here are happy, dusty is peeed and ready to eat his way through a brick wall :banghead
And I hope this isnt going to affect his effin playing either!!
It was probably an essendon knob who started the rumour to take away attention however plenty of richmond knobs pretending they know someone who knows someone who pretends to be in a circle of trusted friends with someone who is a cousins, brothers sisters former room mate... sheeesh :wallywink
FIRE UP TIGERS!!
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You're all a pack of nut huggers TBH.
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I hope the wankers here who keep bringing it up here are happy, dusty is peeed and ready to eat his way through a brick wall :banghead
Like you just did?
:lol
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You're all a pack of nut huggers TBH.
TBBH you'v hugged the odd nut yourself :whistle but back on topic I saw Dusty at the Portsea pub 2 weeks ago with McG, Kingy and Jackson, do you recon they were all canceling each other for the inevirtable :whistle :whistle
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Without naming the player or club, Jon Ralph on SEN this morning mentioned there is a rumour going around at the moment which is definitely not true and is causing frustration to the player in question.
The club involved has contacted the relevant authorities to enquire about the rumours and have been told there is nothing to them. The club is now pretty peeed off about the rumours and the constant badgering.
Was at the Capital Tigers (Canberra RFC supporters group) last night and heard from within the club that although Dusty went off track a while back he is right in the zone now, and Chocca is doing really good stuff with him. These are just rehashed stupid rumours from ages ago that mean nothing, except people with the IQ of a bug and the empathy of a mosquito have too much time on their hands.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-time.987702/page-6
Further affirmation that these rumours going around and being rehashed are made-up crap!
I hope the wankers here who keep bringing it up here are happy, dusty is peeed and ready to eat his way through a brick wall :banghead
And I hope this isnt going to affect his effin playing either!!
It was probably an essendon knob who started the rumour to take away attention however plenty of richmond knobs pretending they know someone who knows someone who pretends to be in a circle of trusted friends with someone who is a cousins, brothers sisters former room mate... sheeesh :wallywink
FIRE UP TIGERS!!
Who said Ralph was talking about Dusty?
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I honestly hope these are just rumours. Why can't Richmond come out and deny any rumours?
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Bit like the Armstrong one was until he finally admitted it ;)
No winking about it. It's all made-up garbage. Even Jon Ralph said last time it was all rubbish. This time it was obviously crap as we had a couple of tryhard losers on twitter rehashing the same old crap via fake media accounts trying to pretend it was "breaking news" ::).
The wink was more of "stir" at WP post because of the whole Armstrong saga, not actually trying to imply Dusty has done anything.
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Are the rumours about Dusty?
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Without naming the player or club, Jon Ralph on SEN this morning mentioned there is a rumour going around at the moment which is definitely not true and is causing frustration to the player in question.
The club involved has contacted the relevant authorities to enquire about the rumours and have been told there is nothing to them. The club is now pretty peeed off about the rumours and the constant badgering.
Was at the Capital Tigers (Canberra RFC supporters group) last night and heard from within the club that although Dusty went off track a while back he is right in the zone now, and Chocca is doing really good stuff with him. These are just rehashed stupid rumours from ages ago that mean nothing, except people with the IQ of a bug and the empathy of a mosquito have too much time on their hands.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-time.987702/page-6
Further affirmation that these rumours going around and being rehashed are made-up crap!
I hope the wankers here who keep bringing it up here are happy, dusty is peeed and ready to eat his way through a brick wall :banghead
And I hope this isnt going to affect his effin playing either!!
It was probably an essendon knob who started the rumour to take away attention however plenty of richmond knobs pretending they know someone who knows someone who pretends to be in a circle of trusted friends with someone who is a cousins, brothers sisters former room mate... sheeesh :wallywink
FIRE UP TIGERS!!
Who said Ralph was talking about Dusty?
Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
If the player and club are as peed off and frustrated by the comments as Ralph suggests then how hard is it for the club to fix? Get on the front foot, call a press conference, say the club and player are aware of the rumours and there is not one shred of truth or evidence to any of it and then follow it up with something like "the club is exploring legal options if the rumours persist or people make any further public comments". Not hard to kill it I would have thought - maintaining a silence when the whole AFL world is whispering is only giving it legs! Well, not hard to kill unless they aren't as confident of their position as they would like to be.
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
If the player and club are as peed off and frustrated by the comments as Ralph suggests then how hard is it for the club to fix? Get on the front foot, call a press conference, say the club and player are aware of the rumours and there is not one shred of truth or evidence to any of it and then follow it up with something like "the club is exploring legal options if the rumours persist or people make any further public comments". Not hard to kill it I would have thought - maintaining a silence when the whole AFL world is whispering is only giving it legs! Well, not hard to kill unless they aren't as confident of their position as they would like to be.
A Richmond supporter wouldn't write this! I'm shocked. No, I'm outraged! >:(
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
If the player and club are as peed off and frustrated by the comments as Ralph suggests then how hard is it for the club to fix? Get on the front foot, call a press conference, say the club and player are aware of the rumours and there is not one shred of truth or evidence to any of it and then follow it up with something like "the club is exploring legal options if the rumours persist or people make any further public comments". Not hard to kill it I would have thought - maintaining a silence when the whole AFL world is whispering is only giving it legs! Well, not hard to kill unless they aren't as confident of their position as they would like to be.
A Richmond supporter wouldn't write this! I'm shocked. No, I'm outraged! >:(
What would a port supporter do?
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just browsing through aricles and comments and it seems we (me too) take some delight in the plight of opposition players and clubs ,even though in many cases those players/clubs have not been proven guilty of anything also..On reflection this is a very sad state of affairs
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
If the player and club are as peed off and frustrated by the comments as Ralph suggests then how hard is it for the club to fix? Get on the front foot, call a press conference, say the club and player are aware of the rumours and there is not one shred of truth or evidence to any of it and then follow it up with something like "the club is exploring legal options if the rumours persist or people make any further public comments". Not hard to kill it I would have thought - maintaining a silence when the whole AFL world is whispering is only giving it legs! Well, not hard to kill unless they aren't as confident of their position as they would like to be.
A Richmond supporter wouldn't write this! I'm shocked. No, I'm outraged! >:(
What would a port supporter do?
What have Port got to do with anything? Or are you looking for a cheap laugh?
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
Yep.
Plenty of morons here that can't keep their mouths shut.
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
If the player and club are as peed off and frustrated by the comments as Ralph suggests then how hard is it for the club to fix? Get on the front foot, call a press conference, say the club and player are aware of the rumours and there is not one shred of truth or evidence to any of it and then follow it up with something like "the club is exploring legal options if the rumours persist or people make any further public comments". Not hard to kill it I would have thought - maintaining a silence when the whole AFL world is whispering is only giving it legs! Well, not hard to kill unless they aren't as confident of their position as they would like to be.
A Richmond supporter wouldn't write this! I'm shocked. No, I'm outraged! >:(
What would a port supporter do?
Yessss :lol :clapping
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
If the player and club are as peed off and frustrated by the comments as Ralph suggests then how hard is it for the club to fix? Get on the front foot, call a press conference, say the club and player are aware of the rumours and there is not one shred of truth or evidence to any of it and then follow it up with something like "the club is exploring legal options if the rumours persist or people make any further public comments". Not hard to kill it I would have thought - maintaining a silence when the whole AFL world is whispering is only giving it legs! Well, not hard to kill unless they aren't as confident of their position as they would like to be.
A Richmond supporter wouldn't write this! I'm shocked. No, I'm outraged! >:(
What would a port supporter do?
Run and hide under a bay cover till it all blows over. :whistle
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Pretty obvious he was each time this topic has come up when hes on the program. Even our own supporters constantly insinuate he's on very thin ice and has been off the rails. Its a massive beatup and our own supporters are as much to blame for the constant innuendo as anybody, probably more so, soft target for the general public when own supporters are having sly digs
Yep.
Plenty of morons here that can't keep their mouths shut.
Agree with this. Surprised at how many Tiger supporters have given this one legs.
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Jon Ralph just stated that a Club which is at the centre of allegations regarding one of it's players confronted the relevant bodies and was told that the rumours did not relate to any current investigations.
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Well lets keep this football related please, without snide remarks, honestly please rise above the rubbish.
I honestly feel that Dustin has been unfairly treaded as a footballer comparative to the draft picks that went above him. Scully and Trengove have done far less than Martin IMO in the years since the draft.
While Dustins disposal was apparently lacking the other night he clearly got enough of it. First game so I think he will improve.
I honestly feel that as a footballer he will be elite, I think he will improve on 2011 this year, he will become and extremely important pert of our team and one that other teams find hard to stop.
This kid will become a match winner, he has the smarts and the talent, with Choco working with him he will develop quicker.
Go Dustin, at pick 3 you have already proved to be better than both Scully & Trengove.
Anyone care to move past the poo and talk about his footy or are you as supposed members and supporters going to keep fuelling this crap fire?? FFS MOVE ON.... :banghead
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Snip! Leave out the personal attacks ppl.
Now back to the topic.
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Snip! Leave out the personal attacks ppl.
Now back to the topic.
Nothing personnel in my post OER, not sure why you removed it!!!
I have had a guts full of this bloke continually baiting, poo stirring and posting nothing but sly, condescending rubbish on this forum, mainly aimed at posters, none of his comments are football orientated! Not sure why he even posts here. I would even debate if he follows football!
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Snip! Leave out the personal attacks ppl.
Now back to the topic.
Nothing personnel in my post OER, not sure why you removed it!!!
I have had a guts full of this bloke continually baiting, poo stirring and posting nothing but sly, condescending rubbish on this forum, mainly aimed at posters, none of his comments are football orientated! Not sure why he even posts here. I would even debate if he follows football!
You just described someone who I am not allowed to mention by name. I agree it's frustrating when people never talk about football. Constant deflections and personal attacks etc.
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Copped a barrage from a Bomber fan.
Was asking her about the Bombers and she ripped into me about Dusty.
stuff me what a precious lot Essendon supporters are.
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From all the reports I've read, Dusty has actually lost weight and is in much better shape than last year. He is also tearing up the training track and responding well to Mark Williams tutelage.
I think the Bombers are crapping man made construction cubes as Danky clearly stated publicly that everyone at Essendon knew about his methods including James Hird and as far as I am aware Dusty has never been implicated in any of the official investigations underway. So as others have said, give the kid a break and get off his frikken back!! :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Too many of our supporters are falling for this poo. Essendon people are praying that the one player at the other club is named because they can take the heat of their own club. Our supporters instead of falling for what is nuffin more than utter garbage should be getting in and supporting our players in particular our younger players from these disgraceful, cowardly and gutless attacks from the worst supporter base in Australian sport - the Essendon supporters. Dustys gonna have a great year and he will be at the forefront in terms of taking us well into the eight. Support our players people, everyone else is against us and they want to see us mired in scandals and bulldust, its time we left that for the people who know more about that than us - our opponents. Support Richmond or Get the stuff Out of our Club.
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Nothing personnel in my post OER, not sure why you removed it!!!
I have had a guts full of this bloke continually baiting, poo stirring and posting nothing but sly, condescending rubbish on this forum, mainly aimed at posters, none of his comments are football orientated! Not sure why he even posts here. I would even debate if he follows football!
Take a deep breath and try and relax
Then stop telling people what to post. Seriously, who the **** do you think you are.
Too many of our supporters are falling for this poo. Essendon people are praying that the one player at the other club is named because they can take the heat of their own club. Our supporters instead of falling for what is nuffin more than utter garbage should be getting in and supporting our players in particular our younger players from these disgraceful, cowardly and gutless attacks from the worst supporter base in Australian sport - the Essendon supporters. Dustys gonna have a great year and he will be at the forefront in terms of taking us well into the eight. Support our players people, everyone else is against us and they want to see us mired in scandals and bulldust, its time we left that for the people who know more about that than us - our opponents. Support Richmond or Get the stuff Out of our Club.
Well said Ramps, a few of our "supporters" are doing their best Veruca impersonations again
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I really think Martin is going to have a massive season. The biggest problem IMO was he didnt have the tank to run all day, and after big half time would fall away/run out of gas.
By all accounts, as Tiga stated, he is fitter than ever and thriving under Chocco. If he can run out an entire game, the league better watch out because they won't know what just hit them :help :cheers
(http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/30/2335159/art_tiger-420x0.jpg)
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yeah yeah too many people love the talk in February,
I want to see him perform come Rd 1, like i do all of them.
his flying this that is a crock
Tambling was flying in Feb every year he was at Richmond
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yeah yeah too many people love the talk in February,
I want to see him perform come Rd 1, like i do all of them.
his flying this that is a crock
Tambling was flying in Feb every year he was at Richmond
Just changing around the vibe in this thread mate, but I agree. He will let his playing do the talking for him.
I hope the club shuts up, says nothing and Martin bags 10 against the scum while have 35 possies and breaking Judd's windpipe with a 'don't argue'.
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and Martin bags 10 against the scum while have 35 possies and breaking Judd's windpipe with a 'don't argue'.
If all those wishes come true then don't waste your money on any lottery tickets for the rest of the year. :thumbsup
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Martin wearing a 'wire' at training:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/
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That is one interesting hairstyle.
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Martin wearing a 'wire' at training:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/
Good to see he actively gets feedback on his actions, wants to know if he has done the right thing and if not, what he can do better :thumbsup
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Snip! Leave out the personal attacks ppl.
Now back to the topic.
Nothing personnel in my post OER, not sure why you removed it!!!
I have had a guts full of this bloke continually baiting, poo stirring and posting nothing but sly, condescending rubbish on this forum, mainly aimed at posters, none of his comments are football orientated! Not sure why he even posts here. I would even debate if he follows football!
You just described someone who I am not allowed to mention by name. I agree it's frustrating when people never talk about football. Constant deflections and personal attacks etc.
Ok
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yeah yeah too many people love the talk in February,
I want to see him perform come Rd 1, like i do all of them.
his flying this that is a crock
Tambling was flying in Feb every year he was at Richmond
Ha ha. Tambling was always training the house down in the pre season.
I don't care what I hear in feb. As long as the boys come to play round 1 and smash those cheating scum and shut em up
P. S. I hate Carlscum!
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Nothing personnel in my post OER, not sure why you removed it!!!
I have had a guts full of this bloke continually baiting, poo stirring and posting nothing but sly, condescending rubbish on this forum, mainly aimed at posters, none of his comments are football orientated! Not sure why he even posts here. I would even debate if he follows football!
Take a deep breath and try and relax
Then stop telling people what to post. Seriously, who the **** do you think you are.
Too many of our supporters are falling for this poo. Essendon people are praying that the one player at the other club is named because they can take the heat of their own club. Our supporters instead of falling for what is nuffin more than utter garbage should be getting in and supporting our players in particular our younger players from these disgraceful, cowardly and gutless attacks from the worst supporter base in Australian sport - the Essendon supporters. Dustys gonna have a great year and he will be at the forefront in terms of taking us well into the eight. Support our players people, everyone else is against us and they want to see us mired in scandals and bulldust, its time we left that for the people who know more about that than us - our opponents. Support Richmond or Get the stuff Out of our Club.
Well said Ramps, a few of our "supporters" are doing their best Veruca impersonations again
Well said.
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It will just be Caro squashing any rumour. Then the heroes can mention her along with Jon Ralph in the talk of great journos shutting down any Richmond rumour.
Good Call ;D. Yep Caro was another to squash the rumour tonight. She said while Dusty had previously publicly reported off-field issues (ie. suspended last year), these rumours which have been around for a month or longer were untrue. She also mentioned journos had camped outside Punt Rd and AFL HQ on Monday. Serves them right wasting their time based on stupidly believing a made-up twitter 'rumour' ::). Hutchy added that Dusty wasn't the only one copping these false rumours on social media and that it's a dangerous place for players. Lloyd said in any case Dusty needs to put his head down and have a good year this year. Caro replied that she agreed with Lloyd and added the Club has said Dusty is training the house down etc ...
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Caro is an old pro. She's experienced enough to make up rumours from her pilates ball without having to camp out the front of a club.
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I really think Martin is going to have a massive season. The biggest problem IMO was he didnt have the tank to run all day, and after big half time would fall away/run out of gas.
By all accounts, as Tiga stated, he is fitter than ever and thriving under Chocco. If he can run out an entire game, the league better watch out because they won't know what just hit them :help :cheers
Everyone's flying at this time of year. We'll have to wait and see.
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Caro is an old pro. She's experienced enough to make up rumours from her pilates ball without having to camp out the front of a club.
I didn't realise she was married to a German
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It will just be Caro squashing any rumour. Then the heroes can mention her along with Jon Ralph in the talk of great journos shutting down any Richmond rumour.
Good Call ;D. Yep Caro was another to squash the rumour tonight. She said while Dusty had previously publicly reported off-field issues (ie. suspended last year), these rumours which have been around for a month or longer were untrue. She also mentioned journos had camped outside Punt Rd and AFL HQ on Monday. Serves them right wasting their time based on stupidly believing a made-up twitter 'rumour' ::). Hutchy added that Dusty wasn't the only one copping these false rumours on social media and that it's a dangerous place for players. Lloyd said in any case Dusty needs to put his head down and have a good year this year. Caro replied that she agreed with Lloyd and added the Club has said Dusty is training the house down etc ...
I have to admit I cannot get my head around why so called Tiger fans seem to want our players in trouble. Is it so they can say "I told ya" or "I knew it"? Please :banghead
Been disgusting what's been rumoured,
But what's been worse is how pathetic it is the way some people have believed it and enjoyed it
Though i will say I have enjoyed handing out some whacks on twitter, but I did offer free eggs to folks to cover their faces with :rollin :rollin
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Sorry WP. Did I say something wrong?
I was just having a go at the rumormongers.
Or are you being cautious again?
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Dimma said today anyone on social media spreading this crap about any of our players including Dusty is "unAustralian".
He added there's too many whingers on social media and he can't stand it.
Dusty has been training well over the preseason. His footskills weren't up to what he would've have liked last Friday night in the All-Stars game but he was one of our best.
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Dustin Martin Rumours Quashed
Richmond coach slams the 'un-Australian' world of social media
MMM
Friday, 15 Feb 2013
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has slammed social media after being forced to answer questions on Friday regarding rumours floated widely about Tigers star, Dustin Martin.
When quashing the rumours, Hardwick labelled social media as 'un-Australian'.
"He's a resilient individual but all we can deal with is the facts. He's training very, very well and we're pleased with the way he's going," said Hardwick, who added Martin was one of the Tigers' better players in the side's loss to the Indigenous All Stars last week.
"It's disappointing (the rumours). Social media; it's un-Australian. It's just whinging, whining, I can't stand it."
Triple M Footy doesn't want to republish the rumours circulating, but there have been some wild things said about Martin - especially in the past few days.
Many of these rumours have been posted by people on sites like Twitter and Facebook without any confirmation or proof to back them up.
No-one disputes Martin has had his off-field issues, however Richmond has never wavered that there has been nothing else to address in the pre-season regarding the midfielder.
Richmond players are contesting an intra-club match on Friday morning.
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/damien-hardwick-quashes-dustin-martin-rumours/
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Dimma also said that he's heard these rumours repeatedly for a month(s) that things were going to happen within 24 hours so it must be a long 24 hours. Then he went into the "unAustralian" comments and his hatred of social media.
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There was a rumour on Twitter last night, that was quickly removed, that said Connors and Pettifer had fled the country.
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Dimma also said that he's heard these rumours repeatedly for a month(s) that things were going to happen within 24 hours so it must be a long 24 hours. Then he went into the "unAustralian" comments and his hatred of social media.
Months!.....
Why has it taken so long to quash the rumors?
....finalmente!
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That wasn't so hard RFC was it!
Now let's concentrate on smashing the cheating scum in R1! :gotigers
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Good, everyone can now move on!
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Good, everyone can now move on!
agree 100% WAT
But I reckon there are some that can't because they don't know how or simply dont want too
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Sorry WP. Did I say something wrong?
I was just having a go at the rumormongers.
Or are you being cautious again?
Appreciate what your intention was but didn't want to open things up to so someone foolishly posts what the "rumour" is/was
Don't mistake being cautious with being responsible to this site :thumbsup
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Angry Hardwick quells rumours of Dustin Martin sacking
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
Friday, February 15, 2013
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has quashed social media rumours surrounding Dustin Martin and denies the young midfielder is on the verge of being sacked.
Martin, 21, has been at the centre of rumours on Twitter and internet forums suggesting he one of the players under investigation by the Australian Crime Commission and that this, along with his off-field behaviour have led to him being on the outer at the club.
Hardwick said social media was "un-Australian" amid the swirling stories, and there was no truth to the suggestion the Tigers were about to sack Martin – a rumour he said he first heard six weeks ago.
"He's fine. It's disappointing; social media – it's un-Australian. It's just whinging, whining … I can't stand it," Hardwick said on Friday.
"He's a resilient individual but all we can only deal in, is the facts; he's training very, very well and we're pleased with the way he's going.
"You only have to look at his form against the All Stars last week. His disposal probably wasn't to the level we expect but he was one of our better players."
Martin had a slow start against the Indigenous All Stars on Friday night in Alice Springs but got going in the second quarter, and gathered plenty of the ball across half back.
He was suited up to play in the Tigers' intra-club match at Punt Road on Friday morning.
Hardwick said Martin's form on the track over the summer had been promising.
"He's training very, very well and he's going to be a very, very good player for us this year."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-15/twitter-rumours-unaustralian?utm_medium=RSS
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There was a rumour on Twitter last night, that was quickly removed, that said Connors and Pettifer had fled the country.
If proven true I'm starting the rumour that Dusty will win multiple Brownlows :shh
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has slammed as "un-Australian" ongoing social media rumours concerning star midfielder Dustin Martin.
Martin has been the subject of persistent unfounded rumours that he had been linked to the sporting drugs probe and that his playing future at Richmond was in doubt.
A clearly frustrated Hardwick said on Friday he had no time for unsubstantiated claims.
"He's a resilient individual but all we can deal in is the facts," Hardwick said.
"He's training very, very well. We're pleased with the way that he's going.
"You've only got to look at his form versus the All-Stars last week.
"His disposals probably weren't to the level that we expect but he's one our better players.
"He's fine."
Hardwick said the fact that rumours were swirling around Martin without any substance was something foreign to Australian standards.
"It's disappointing - social media, it's un-Australian," said Hardwick.
"It's just whingeing, whining. I can't stand it.'
Hardwick said Martin, who was suspended for two games last year by the Tigers for missing a training session after taking a sleeping pill, was abiding by team rules.
"All we can deal with is the facts," he said.
"He's training very, very well and he's going to be a very, very good player for us this year."
Richmond took part in an intra-club hit out on Friday as they prepare for their NAB Cup season opener next weekend against North Melbourne and Melbourne.
Hardwick said the Tigers' pre-season had been impressive.
"It's been a lot better," Hardwick said. "The training age of our team has improved so that means we can get more training into our guys.
"We've had a new fitness regime come in and we've been really impressed with that one.
"We've been pleased with what we've been able to put on the track. The thing that has been noticeable is that the boys can handle more work, compared to last year."
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eliminator, can you add the source link to that article.
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That wasn't so hard RFC was it!
Now let's concentrate on smashing the cheating scum in R1! :gotigers
:thumbsup
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yeah yeah too many people love the talk in February,
I want to see him perform come Rd 1, like i do all of them.
his flying this that is a crock
Tambling was flying in Feb every year he was at Richmond
Yeah but there is one glaring differentiation that you haven't taken into account. Dusty has proven himself to be very talented on a regular basis in the H/A rounds whereas all Tabling did was his best impersonation of a dung beetle with any ball that went below his knees.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has slammed as "un-Australian" ongoing social media rumours concerning star midfielder Dustin Martin.
Martin has been the subject of persistent unfounded rumours that he had been linked to the sporting drugs probe and that his playing future at Richmond was in doubt.
A clearly frustrated Hardwick said on Friday he had no time for unsubstantiated claims.
"He's a resilient individual but all we can deal in is the facts," Hardwick said.
"He's training very, very well. We're pleased with the way that he's going.
"You've only got to look at his form versus the All-Stars last week.
"His disposals probably weren't to the level that we expect but he's one our better players.
"He's fine."
Hardwick said the fact that rumours were swirling around Martin without any substance was something foreign to Australian standards.
"It's disappointing - social media, it's un-Australian," said Hardwick.
"It's just whingeing, whining. I can't stand it.'
Hardwick said Martin, who was suspended for two games last year by the Tigers for missing a training session after taking a sleeping pill, was abiding by team rules.
"All we can deal with is the facts," he said.
"He's training very, very well and he's going to be a very, very good player for us this year."
Richmond took part in an intra-club hit out on Friday as they prepare for their NAB Cup season opener next weekend against North Melbourne and Melbourne.
Hardwick said the Tigers' pre-season had been impressive.
"It's been a lot better," Hardwick said. "The training age of our team has improved so that means we can get more training into our guys.
"We've had a new fitness regime come in and we've been really impressed with that one.
"We've been pleased with what we've been able to put on the track. The thing that has been noticeable is that the boys can handle more work, compared to last year."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-has-slammed-social-media-rumours-regarding-dustin-martin-as-un-australian/story-e6frf3e3-1226578620963
:cheers
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Good, everyone can now move on!
agree 100% WAT
But I reckon there are some that can't because they don't know how or simply dont want too
Totally agree mate, the movie Groundhog Day has nothing on this saga!
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Ch 7 news tonight - "Tigers defend wild child Dustin Martin"
::)
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Dont worry it will blow over when we lose R1 and Hardwick is on the chopping block
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Much truth in jest Chucky. No doubt the media will be hoping we do fall on our face again in round 1.
Ch 7 mentioned aspects of the rumour without mentioning it was made-up on social media and then continually rehashed ::).
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yeah yeah too many people love the talk in February,
I want to see him perform come Rd 1, like i do all of them.
his flying this that is a crock
Tambling was flying in Feb every year he was at Richmond
Yeah but there is one glaring differentiation that you haven't taken into account. Dusty has proven himself to be very talented on a regular basis in the H/A rounds whereas all Tabling did was his best impersonation of a dung beetle with any ball that went below his knees.
neither have proven anything. Dusty has more potential, actually a hell of a lot more but potential means jack.
Maybe its me but i couldnt give a toss about how any player is travelling between November-March because most of it is bull poo
Lets talk Rd 1
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Herald-Sun's article this morning reiterating Hardwick's comment:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-dustin-martin-victim-of-whingeing-social-media/story-e6frf9jf-1226579122549
The Bendigo Advertiser however included a pathetic baseless BS line in their article ::)
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/1305036/social-media-attack-on-tiger-unfounded/?cs=82
I hope the RFC's lawyers see and act against this crap ::).
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what is the pathetic baseless BS line you talk about, Cyclops?
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Herald-Sun's article this morning reiterating Hardwick's comment:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-dustin-martin-victim-of-whingeing-social-media/story-e6frf9jf-1226579122549
The Bendigo Advertiser however included a pathetic baseless BS line in their article ::)
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/1305036/social-media-attack-on-tiger-unfounded/?cs=82
I hope the RFC's lawyers see and act against this crap ::).
The BS comment seems to have been removed?
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From all the reports I've read, Dusty has actually lost weight and is in much better shape than last year. He is also tearing up the training track and responding well to Mark Williams tutelage.
I think the Bombers are crapping man made construction cubes as Danky clearly stated publicly that everyone at Essendon knew about his methods including James Hird and as far as I am aware Dusty has never been implicated in any of the official investigations underway. So as others have said, give the kid a break and get off his frikken back!! :banghead :banghead :banghead
yet club stats has him gaining 3 kg on last yr. go figure.
he sure looks like he has trimmed down to me. his core strength is phenominal and he can afford to lose a bit of weight. less weight may mean a little more speed.
dustys weakness is not his size but his motor. if this has improved then i have no doubt dusty will be even better. the ability to go both ways will make for a well rounded player and the ability to get to more contests will make him even more influential than he is now.
imo i reckon hes two yrs away from having a motor big enough to enable him to be truly elite. motor and non preffered side are the areas i want to see improvement in.perhaps taking better options with ball in hand as well. not trying to thread the needle with every kick etc or taking players on when a little give woulf release a team mate.
theres lots of improvement left in this kid yet.
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Interesting chat about a players motor.when I played some blokes no matter how much they trained and got themselves into superb fitness,just couldnt gut run,and to me gut running=motor.I would say the ability to gut run, to virtually throw up after a contest and to immediately go again is as much mental as it is physical.can you teach a player that? ..i have no idea
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Interesting chat about a players motor.when I played some blokes no matter how much they trained and got themselves into superb fitness,just couldnt gut run,and to me gut running=motor.I would say the ability to gut run, to virtually throw up after a contest and to immediately go again is as much mental as it is physical.can you teach a player that? ..i have no idea
I saw a revelatory documentary recently on the BBC which indicated that we have a genetic endurance/fitness capacity bandwidth at birth that can't be altered no matter how hard we train. This bandwidth is very narrow. The upshot was that those at the lower end of the spectrum (motor-wise) required less work to reach their potential. The workout for a man in this group was an intensive 3x20sec workout three times a week....no more. All physiological indicators showed that he had reached his optimum level of fitness after 1 month, but would have to tailor his sporting activities accordingly. This where Martin comes in. If he is in that group we need to 'get over' the fact that he will be a gut-running mid-fielder and be be happy to have a midfield impact player who plays predominately forward. I'm happy with that. By the way, I fall into this category as well and know from experience that additional training for me always meant sickness and injury.
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i guess then only the inner sanctum at the club know what his role is to be..the rest is just us supporters wishing we get an almost ben cousins like running machine.
And yes i too would be more than happy with an impact player who could turn a game on its head with a just a few disposals
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Interesting chat about a players motor.when I played some blokes no matter how much they trained and got themselves into superb fitness,just couldnt gut run,and to me gut running=motor.I would say the ability to gut run, to virtually throw up after a contest and to immediately go again is as much mental as it is physical.can you teach a player that? ..i have no idea
I saw a revelatory documentary recently on the BBC which indicated that we have a genetic endurance/fitness capacity bandwidth at birth that can't be altered no matter how hard we train. This bandwidth is very narrow. The upshot was that those at the lower end of the spectrum (motor-wise) required less work to reach their potential. The workout for a man in this group was an intensive 3x20sec workout three times a week....no more. All physiological indicators showed that he had reached his optimum level of fitness after 1 month, but would have to tailor his sporting activities accordingly. This where Martin comes in. If he is in that group we need to 'get over' the fact that he will be a gut-running mid-fielder and be be happy to have a midfield impact player who plays predominately forward. I'm happy with that. By the way, I fall into this category as well and know from experience that additional training for me always meant sickness and injury.
I'm in that category too.
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Dustin's tackling and kick are his strengths.How many times in history we've seen Richmond players gut run then shoot and it goes out of bounds.
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i would classify KB as a gut runner.he roved just about the whole game.
in the current Richmond team hmmm would nathan foley fall into this category/ probably yes...certainly trent cotchin is the outsatnding one for us,he goes and goes and goes
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Interesting chat about a players motor.when I played some blokes no matter how much they trained and got themselves into superb fitness,just couldnt gut run,and to me gut running=motor.I would say the ability to gut run, to virtually throw up after a contest and to immediately go again is as much mental as it is physical.can you teach a player that? ..i have no idea
I saw a revelatory documentary recently on the BBC which indicated that we have a genetic endurance/fitness capacity bandwidth at birth that can't be altered no matter how hard we train. This bandwidth is very narrow. The upshot was that those at the lower end of the spectrum (motor-wise) required less work to reach their potential. The workout for a man in this group was an intensive 3x20sec workout three times a week....no more. All physiological indicators showed that he had reached his optimum level of fitness after 1 month, but would have to tailor his sporting activities accordingly. This where Martin comes in. If he is in that group we need to 'get over' the fact that he will be a gut-running mid-fielder and be be happy to have a midfield impact player who plays predominately forward. I'm happy with that. By the way, I fall into this category as well and know from experience that additional training for me always meant sickness and injury.
I'm in that category too.
Found the Doc': http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cywtq
I apologise in advance if I slightly mis-quoted the exercise regime but I was operating from memory.
BTW Mosley was also responsible for the doc' based on the "Eat Stop Eat' program (which I follow): http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01lxyzc
It has reduced my cholesterol and sugar levels where everything else failed. Weight was never an issue for me but if you want to lose some it will do that to. I lost 10% (9kg's)whilst gorging myself on the non-fasting days (5 per week).
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Dustin's tackling and kick are his strengths.How many times in history we've seen Richmond players gut run then shoot and it goes out of bounds.
dustin's tackling is one of his weaknesses, not strengths. more often than not he will tackle half hearted and be brushed aside. A bloke of his strength should not have this happen and it frustrates the poo out of me.
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what is the pathetic baseless BS line you talk about, Cyclops?
"They are claims yet to be proven, but some believe they must be right." ::)
(i) The "claims" (BS rumours) have been proven to be crap. The Club has said it asked the relevant authorities about them and were told they're untrue.
(ii) The "some" were loser trolls on twitter rehashing this same old crap using fake media accounts.
Dusty and the Club shouldn't have to prove their innocence to gutter journos ::).
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I dont read it like that OE, particularly when you take the context of the article.
It pretty much bags the rumours and what they say in that statement is true, the rumours are not proven to be true, yet some people still believe it to be so.
perhaps the wording of that sentence could have been better, but i see that article as taking Martins side.
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agree with al
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Dusty hasn't put a foot wrong in terms of attitude and workrate onfield so far in the 3 games we've played. Hopefully a sign he's on course for a big year :pray and he will stick it up his critics.
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DUSTY NOT RUSTY
Damien Hardwick was moved to dispel persistent rumours about his rough diamond Dustin Martin in the off-season. Richmond insisted Martin had worked harder than ever on the training track. The evidence in this first outing supported the Tigers' case. Martin started in the square and spent what appeared more of the game on the ball than forward. A couple of punishing kicks sliced Melbourne open.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/forward-yet-to-find-his-feet-20130222-2exim.html#ixzz2LeOvHoUm
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God bless dusty.
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Yes, just does the job, moved down back and thank god, this kid could become elite.
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Resting Martin and Newy, not too concerned with this game.
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The Master and his apprentice ...
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151490806663276&set=a.10151490803768276.1073741826.298686323275&type=3&theater
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Looks like he's trying to get away from him :lol
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NRL Legs
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Holding hands
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick tips big season from Dustin Martin
AAP
From: Herald Sun
March 12, 2013 6:06PM
A CLOSE bond with former Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams will be the making of Dustin Martin, says Richmond coach Damien Hardwick.
The powerful 21-year-old midfielder had his struggles on and off-field last year, earning a club suspension and failing to live up to the promise of his first two seasons.
But as Martin enters his fourth year, Hardwick says he's fitter, more settled and ready to play the sort of football he's always looked capable of producing.
"The fact is he's working incredibly hard on the field and off the field he's started a part-time job, which we're really excited about," Hardwick said.
"He's getting some stability in his life and he's formed a really close relationship with (new Tigers development coach Mark) Williams.
"We think this will be the making of him as a player.
"He's had a fantastic pre-season, we certainly look forward to him having a good season in 2013.
"I'd be getting him in your (SuperCoach) side, put it that way."
Hardwick rated Martin as the Tigers' best in several of their early pre-season games.
He said even in their nail-biting recent win over Essendon, when Martin played only a half, he was best afield.
It hasn't surprised him, given Martin's training performance.
"He's had an enormous pre-season. He's been very, very good," Hardwick said.
"His fitness work has improved."
The flow-on effect of Martin's increased fitness could be new Richmond captain Trent Cotchin becoming even more damaging.
The 22-year-old, admired for his courageous ball-winning in tight and smart distribution, was already joint runner-up in last year's Brownlow Medal count.
But Hardwick said Martin's readiness for more midfield time, the drafting of promising young midfielder Nick Vlastuin and the development of other youngsters would free up Cotchin.
The coach wants him to get more touches in space and kick more goals.
"We think he's capable of kicking two goals a game on a regular basis so we'll look to exploit that," Hardwick said.
He said while Vlastuin needed to learn where to run to gain more possessions, his toughness and good ball use were great starting ingredients.
"He's got some things that you look at him and go, 'Wow, this kid could be a very good player for us,"' Hardwick said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-tips-big-season-from-dustin-martin/story-e6frf9mx-1226595854126
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So lets try him at CHF already :thumbsup
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Yesssss
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Dusty has made Fox Footy's top 10 list of tough guys in the AFL ...
We continue our big 10 series with the AFL's tough guys. The blokes who go hard, get hit, then keep on going hard. They dish it out, they cop it, and they love the physical side of footy.
10. Dustin Martin
It's the 'don't argue' nobody can argue with. There's not much better in footy than seeing Martin gather the loose footy, spot a tackler coming at him, and then shove him out of the way with brute force. He's probably the strongest kid to step into the game and loves the contested stuff.
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/as-the-afl-season-looms-we-look-at-10-tough-guys-who-bring-the-physicality-to-our-great-game/story-e6frf3e3-1226597014594#ixzz2NTnSOnzS
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What a surprise all the offseason innuendo garbage ::) has ceased since the preseason matches have started with Dusty named in the bests. Keep 'em shut up for good in the real stuff Dusty :thumbsup.
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Martin at trade risk: Lyon
6:45am AEDT Friday, March 15, 2013
Footy Focus 2013 - Garry Lyon on who faces a make or break season in your team The players under the pump and who need to have a big year
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Dustin Martin could be involved in a trade by the Tigers at some point, according to Garry Lyon
"Make no mistake, there are some issues with Dustin at Richmond"
Garry Lyon
MELBOURNE legend Garry Lyon believes Richmond may be forced to trade star midfielder Dustin Martin at season's end if his off-field issues continue in 2013.
Martin's behaviour has been the subject of rumour in the pre-season, stories that were dismissed by both the club and coach Damien Hardwick.
Speaking on AFL.com.au's panel show Footy Focus, Lyon says the situation remains a concern for the Tigers.
"Make no mistake, there are some issues with Dustin at Richmond," Lyon said.
"People can deny all they want, but his off-field stuff remains an issue for the Richmond Football Club."
Lyon said it was a shame to see such a prodigious talent struggle with the demands of AFL football.
"We know what he's capable of," he said.
"We know that he's a young man that's only been in the system a few years and doing stuff that the Judds, if you like, do on a regular basis.
"The on-field he can do. It's the off-field that he needs to get sorted out.
"Don't be under any illusion that the Richmond footy club aren't aware of it, and aren't dealing with it and are putting some pressure on him."
Should that not work, Lyon conceded that trading Martin could be a possibility.
Lyon also cast an eye over the rest of the competition, claiming this season was 'make or break' for the likes of North Melbourne's Lachie Hansen, Western Bulldogs midfielder Shaun Higgins and Hawthorn's Ryan Shoenmakers.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-15/martin-at-trade-risk-lyon?utm_medium=RSS (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-15/martin-at-trade-risk-lyon?utm_medium=RSS)
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Well Gary, I suppose a story like this is justified from you because your club stuffed up and didn't select him in the draft, then Scully left and Trengove is average to say the least.
Now stuff off Gary!
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Garry is hoping he is up for trade. If Dawes is worth pick 20, then Martin should get us Melbournes #1 pick, pick 19 and a player (Hogan) ;D
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Garry is hoping he is up for trade. If Dawes is worth pick 20, then Martin should get us Melbournes #1 pick, pick 19 and a player (Hogan) ;D
Would probably still tell them to stuff off. ;D
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Lyon has a sook at Caro for talking about rumours but is quite happy to peddle his own re: dusty.
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THM
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp215/big_hairy_garry/Picture1.jpg)
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Yessss Big Gerkin!!! :clapping :clapping
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Hairy Gaz just likes to state his fantasies as facts
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what r his career stats like
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just checked
shi†man
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i wonder if the rumors I've heard about Lyon are also true.
Make no mistake, there are rumors and I'm not going to take them lying down.
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i wonder if the rumors I've heard about Lyon are also true.
Make no mistake, there are rumors and I'm not going to take them lying down.
Make no mistake Ch9 are aware of these rumours and don't be surprised if they try to send him to Ch7.
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Hmmmm. I wonder if channel 7 would take on the confidential payments allegedly, currently being paid by ch 9.
As i said, make no mistake.
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Only signed a new deal with 9 a year or so ago. Can you post these rumours oxx or would they be considered unsubstantiated smut under the OER rules ?
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I think OER would be fully justified in deleting anything i posted about this particular topic.
A lot of favors have been done on many levels to ensure its confidentiality.
Make no mistake
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Lyon will die at 9, be it as a host or janitor
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Lyon will die at 9, be it as a host or janitor
He'd make a pretty good mop
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Gaddy shouldn't be throwing stones in a glasshouse
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he should just stfu now
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My work here is done.
Conjecture works two ways, Gaddy, u shitman
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My work here is done.
:bow
;D
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LMAO Willy.
Pretty good lag by me without breaking forum rules, u gotta admit.
haha
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What is this bs on The Hairy One? Why do I always miss the good stuff on here! :banghead
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Ah The Hairy Malaka "Make no mistake because he said it, it's true"
Can hear all those footy no hopers ringing up MMM talkback in advance post game regurgitating in unison the content of his manifesto of apathetic dogma just so THM can say thanks for your call and those nuff nuffs can go to bed feeling great about themselves.
The truth is THM Melbourne Footy Club are crap and for the next five years at least will continue to be. The least this human refuse could be is magnanimous about our list improvement since Dimma has come to the club.
I remember Round 4 2010 when they beat us by 55 points and they were flavour of the month.
They have won 18.5 games from 62 since then including a 186 point loss to Geelong.
Melbourne Footy Club and THM are about as relevant and inept as hmmm North Melbourne Footy Club ,Jimmy Brayshaw and the Footy Show.
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Ah The Hairy Malaka "Make no mistake because he said it, it's true"
Can hear all those footy no hopers ringing up MMM talkback in advance post game regurgitating in unison the content of his manifesto of apathetic dogma just so THM can say thanks for your call and those nuff nuffs can go to bed feeling great about themselves.
The truth is THM Melbourne Footy Club are crap and for the next five years at least will continue to be. The least this human refuse could be is magnanimous about our list improvement since Dimma has come to the club.
I remember Round 4 2010 when they beat us by 55 points and they were flavour of the month.
They have won 18.5 games from 62 since then including a 186 point loss to Geelong.
Melbourne Footy Club and THM are about as relevant and inept as hmmm North Melbourne Footy Club ,Jimmy Brayshaw and the Footy Show.
Excellent work yet again Tucker's. :thumbsup
p s. where is your avatar.
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Lyon just now during an ad break saying they've got the "full story" on the off-season talk about Dustin Martin coming up on the Footy Show ::).
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Lyon just now during an ad break saying they've got the "full story" on the off-season talk about Dustin Martin coming up on the Footy Show ::).
LOL
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Just goes to show how much he dislikes our club, they keep digging and digging. I cant wait till we bury his team.
If the dees need a new mascot he could don the gear on again and parade around as haiwy gaweey
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Barrett will be on talking about it so you know it will be a load of rubbish ::).
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Barrett will be on talking about it so you know it will be a load of rubbish ::).
Heard hes been enjoying his new lavish double storey in sth melbourne. Double storey skip bin that is :lol
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The Hairy Malaka's article in their small minds will have creedence if the journo for nuff nuffs
makes a stupid comment about it.
The AFL Footy Show- nuff nuff commentary for nuff nuffs.
Here's my take.
Cale Morton crap
Jack Watts crap
Tom Scully GWS
Jack Trengove good kid but crap side
The Hairy Malaka= Bitter= crap.
RFC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MFC.
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Barrett should be shot.
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Sounds like theyve been told to come on and put on a good story about him as theyve been spreading rubbish rumors in the past imo
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Barrett on now with the "Facts":
- It was stressful offseason for the Club. However it's a positive story for Dusty over the past three and a half months.
Timeline since August:
- Pre-Christmas - club fearful what may lie ahead.
- October at Lids wedding. Dusty late for the wedding after being with Connors. Arrived with his condition concerning to the Club. He had a seriously infected foot. Still unknown why. Cambo crucial part in Dusty's life. Had to take him to the hospital. As well as Connors, there's another retired player from another club out there who is a concern to Richmond regarding Dusty.
- Decision taken by Cotchin for Dusty to come and live with him. Ended up being 30-40 days. Life changing experience in Dusty's life.
- Also Mark Williams has been a massive positive taking Dusty personally under his wing.
- Dusty also has taken on a one-day a week job.
- There was one misdemeanour since Christmas but Dusty handled it well himself according to the club.
- Club will open negotiations with Dusty's manager in the next month to lock him away for a long time at the Club. Something that may not have happened late last year. Worries were real but now the Club is convinced he is on the right track.
- All the horrible stuff rumoured over the summer is untrue. You know how these things work and the media would've been all over it if the horrible stuff alleged was true. Media has looked into it and the 'rumours' are simply not true.
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Could tolerate that even though it was binrat. But what grinds my gears is when the HM adds "in sure you're withholding some information."
Never the less, I'll take it for what it is and am glad to hear Dusty is working hard.
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Of course the club does not know anything, the media has looked into it.
Templeton the Rat scoured every rubbish bin in Australia and found nothing so that's okay for him to leave it at that whilst starting with a parting shot instead of ending with one. ::)
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connors is the worry must be shot
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Got to love Cotchin tho what champion bloke and great footballer.Were in good hands with him there.
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haven't watched the show since Eddie left
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Got to love Cotchin tho what champion bloke and great footballer.Were in good hands with him there.
Totally agree :clapping
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I've moved the Dustin Martin discussion from the footy show thread to here.
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Cotchin backs Martin
By Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
Sunday, March 24, 2013
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin has brushed aside off-field concerns about Dustin Martin, declaring the controversial midfielder is in excellent shape for 2013.
The 21-year-old has at times been in the spotlight for his off-field behavior, which saw him hit with a club-imposed suspension last season and also the subject of inflammatory social media chatter over summer.
But Cotchin has backed the star midfielder to fire like never before in 2013.
"He's flying. He pulled up a little bit sore from last weekend's game but he's ready to go," Cotchin told AFL.com.au.
"He's had the best preparation he's had since being at the club."
Cotchin said a big part of the summer has been spent building structure into Martin's life, plus tutelage from new Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams.
"He's got his house set up exactly how he wants it now, he said he's more than comfortable just to sit on the couch whereas he's been a little bored at home before," Cotchin said.
"He's working with Linfox once a week, so he's learning a lot both footy-wise and off-field wise."
"'Choco' Williams has been fantastic in helping him set up a lot of it and I think we'll see a lot of benefits from what he's been doing off-field and away from the club come footy time."
Cotchin's strong support from Martin comes after Garry Lyon warned the Tigers would look to trade Martin if he didn't get his off-field act together.
Lyon told AFL.com.au's Footy Focus he had no doubt Martin's issues continued to concern Richmond.
"Make no mistake, there are some issues with Dustin at Richmond," Lyon said.
"People can deny all they want, but his off-field stuff remains an issue for the Richmond Football Club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-03-24/cotchin-backs-martin
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I wonder if Gaaaadeee has allegedly taken anyone boating this weekend, lovely weather out there
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Really, y&b !!
Forecast is for flakes on the bay....
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meteorologically speaking of course
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meteorologically speaking of course
Yes, yes - it's his free base
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I love how Lyon is clearly part Anglo Indian but "can't go there, sister!!"
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Tigers back Dustin Martin to shine in AFL
WWOS.ninemsn.com.au
Sun Mar 24 2013
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin and president Gary March have backed star midfielder Dustin Martin to enjoy the best season of his AFL career.
The 21-year-old is one of Richmond's top players, but there have been concerns about his off-field behaviour.
He received a two-match suspension from the Tigers last season for missing a team recovery session.
Cotchin and March said on Sunday they were rapt with Martin's pre-season and his attitude.
"He's had the best preparation he's had since being at the club," Cotchin told the AFL website.
Martin now has a part-time job and new assistant coach Mark Williams had helped him settle into his new home.
"'Choco' Williams has been fantastic in helping him set up a lot of it and I think we'll see a lot of benefits from what he's been doing off-field and away from the club come footy time," Cotchin said.
"He said he's more than comfortable just to sit on the couch whereas he's been a little bored at home before."
March, who once had Martin living at his home, also said on Channel Nine's Footy Show he was excited about how the midfielder was shaping up.
The Tigers open their season on Thursday night with their traditional round-one blockbuster against Carlton at the MCG.
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8631562
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stuff u gary lyon,
The secret is out.
You better STFU,Bhundi boy.
ps - call the tax department too
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LMAO
Cant say snow
roflmao
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The man behind the mask
Date March 28, 2013
Emma Quayle
Football writer with The Age
Dustin Martin is not the only person at Richmond looking forward to the football season starting, and the 21-year-old spending the next five (or more …) months doing the thing he knows best and loves the most. No one at the club has bothered counting the number of media calls it has taken over summer, but they could count on one hand the times their No.4 hasn't been asked after, in one way or another.
People are fascinated with Martin. It's probably what happens when you make such a bold, adventurous debut, show up for your second season with neck tattoos and get in trouble for taking a sleeping pill and missing a training session. Look around the Tigers' cheer squad during the Carlton game: if the people behind the Tiger Tatts website have done their job there will be replicas everywhere.
They love him, yet so many people seem so determined to cut him down. It wasn't only the number of untrue rumours that were rehashed on social media every second week throughout summer that was disturbing, but the delight people seemed to take in them. It was almost as if people were barracking for them to be true, for him to meet some sort of crashing end, the more blazing the better.
Why? Richmond has had some genuine and serious concerns for Martin, the company he keeps and the things he does or doesn't do while away from the structure and sense of purpose that a training schedule gives him. The club's been honest about that. But rather than wanting him to fail, why aren't we celebrating what he is actually achieving in his life?
Martin has had very little handed to him. Not that he'd tell anyone. In the two years before he was drafted he lived with his mother in Castlemaine, having dropped out of school two years earlier. He moved to Sydney's western suburbs and worked long days for his father's transport company.
He came back, started playing for the Bendigo Pioneers, took up a personal training course and moved in with one of his teammates and his mother. Somehow he got himself drafted at No.3 that year. Almost immediately, he was in the Richmond team.
He's growing up in front of everyone, and there's no way he would be doing it at the Tigers if they didn't love him as a person. His teammates talk about the same things: his extreme shyness, how he's almost introverted. How he loves to be around people in spite of this. How he wants to do things right and follow the people around him, but can get directionless and follow the wrong people, if they're the ones around. The tattoos have been misleading: they are to acknowledge his Maori heritage, not to make him look tough.
The other thing they know is he is genuine. That, while other players have been caught out trying to find ways around the rules, his mistakes are just that, errors he doesn't realise he's making. How he needs direction, but it won't help to give him too much. ''We can't tell him who to hang out with, he needs to decide that for himself, but it's hard,'' said one player.
Martin lived for a few weeks over summer with Trent Cotchin, who can read people and their motivation with insight far beyond his 22 years. He wouldn't have invited him in if he thought Martin didn't care. Martin has become close with Mark Williams, who recently sent him home from a family dinner with a baked cake. The next day, Martin wanted to know what sort of cake he liked, so that he could return the favour. He has started working one day a week for Linfox, learning more about the transport industry, having something new to do. He's said things that have made it clear how grateful he is to know that so many people want to help him be good.
They're sure he will be, and it says a lot about Richmond that it has got him to a point where the club is now being asked about his improved endurance, his even greater power, the way he has been dominating training sessions.
Martin is only 21. He deserves credit for what he's done, and encouragement for what he could still achieve from here.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-man-behind-the-mask-20130327-2guq7.html#ixzz2OjixitzN
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Excellent piece by Emma Quayle she is an outstanding writer
They love him, yet so many people seem so determined to cut him down. It wasn't only the number of untrue rumours that were rehashed on social media every second week throughout summer that was disturbing, but the delight people seemed to take in them. It was almost as if people were barracking for them to be true, for him to meet some sort of crashing end, the more blazing the better.
Never has a truer word been written. It was disgusting how so many people seemed to want the rumours to be true
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Finally a genuine, honest and positive story about Dusty without any over dramatization regarding his potential or off field behaviour.
He's just a kid with talent.
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More than anything it offers perspective for change :clapping
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:clapping
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Chocco :bow
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Chocco :bow
Will take us where we need to go once dim dim goes back to accounting and coaching girls basketball
As for Dusty, it's time for BEAST MODE
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Great piece Emma. :clapping
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Excellent piece by Emma Quayle she is an outstanding writer
They love him, yet so many people seem so determined to cut him down. It wasn't only the number of untrue rumours that were rehashed on social media every second week throughout summer that was disturbing, but the delight people seemed to take in them. It was almost as if people were barracking for them to be true, for him to meet some sort of crashing end, the more blazing the better.
Never has a truer word been written. It was disgusting how so many people seemed to want the rumours to be true
Not quite true. If she had of written "It wasn't only the number of untrue rumours that were rehashed on social media EVERY SINGLE DAY" then you could say never has a truer word been written. :shh
Great article. Enjoyed the read.
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Chocco :bow
Will take us where we need to go once dim dim goes back to accounting and coaching girls basketball
As for Dusty, it's time for BEAST MODE
Spot on!
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Great article, Quayle is just about my favourite footy journo.
If anyone gets a chance to read 'The Draft' its a great read.
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At the end of the day, when the chips are down, she's just another flog that barracks for essendong
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Chocco :bow
Will take us where we need to go once dim dim goes back to accounting and coaching girls basketball
As for Dusty, it's time for BEAST MODE
Yessss Beast man!!! :clapping
(http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab353/esp_eraser/alteredbeastgif.gif)
Look at him Goooooooooooo!!!
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Excellent piece by Emma Quayle she is an outstanding writer
They love him, yet so many people seem so determined to cut him down. It wasn't only the number of untrue rumours that were rehashed on social media every second week throughout summer that was disturbing, but the delight people seemed to take in them. It was almost as if people were barracking for them to be true, for him to meet some sort of crashing end, the more blazing the better.
Never has a truer word been written. It was disgusting how so many people seemed to want the rumours to be true
:thumbsup
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Chocco :bow
Will take us where we need to go once dim dim goes back to accounting and coaching girls basketball
As for Dusty, it's time for BEAST MODE
Yessss Beast man!!! :clapping
(http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab353/esp_eraser/alteredbeastgif.gif)
Look at him Goooooooooooo!!!
Holy crap, I loved Altered Beast!!
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Me too mate, plenty of megadrive action back in the day and we still had time to kick the footy
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New ones better, although the old ones still quality
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VIDEO: Dusty's great goal from the boundary in the 2nd quarter :thumbsup.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-03-28/round-1-martin-from-the-boundary
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i love you, Emma.*wipes tear from eyes*
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says Dustin Martin must learn to be able to run out games
Nick Smart
From: Herald Sun
April 06, 2013 2:08PM
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has likened to Dustin Martin to Brownlow Medallist Mark Ricciuto and warns the young Tiger will not fade out of games for much longer.
Martin has epitomised the Tigers over the first two weeks of the season - terrific until half-time, but not being able to maintain the rage in the second half.
The midfielder had 15 disposals to half-time, but could manage only eight in the second half in Friday night's win over St Kilda.
Hardwick said he expected Martin to soon be able to run out matches.
"I think in both games (to start the year) he was nearly best on ground at half-time," he said on SEN radio today.
"He'll get better - he's not an aerobic beast as such.
"But he'll actually get better probably in about Round 4 or 5 when the game slows down a bit - that's when he will start to come."
Hardwick admits Martin - who is now in his fourth AFL season - will need to become more an impact player.
"He still needs to improve his overall tank," he said.
"I very much liken him to Mark Riccuito - a guy who is going to play in fits and starts, a bit like Patrick Dangerfield at stages.
"He will get better as he gets older, but there's no doubt it’s an area he has to improve."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-dustin-martin-must-learn-to-be-able-to-run-out-games/story-e6frf9mx-1226613828630
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Trengrove is my preference but Martin looks a solid if unspectacular choice.
Just hope we don't play it too safe and avoid missing a match winner.
Unfortunately given our recent poor recruiting efforts we'll go for the sure bet when someone like Morabito could be an absolute star.
Certainly won't scream if we take Martin though, looks like he can play at least.
:shh
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Great game by Dusty. Excellent.
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yep
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Gave him my 3 today!
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starting to stick it right up his detractors is dusty. anyone have any info on when we announce his new deal to stay?
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Weapon
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Weapon
:shh
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starting to stick it right up his detractors is dusty. anyone have any info on when we announce his new deal to stay?
Better be soon, a few more of these performances and we'll be adding an extra 0 to the end of his current figure. :cheers
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Fantastic game today
New contract? all in the goodness of time Ramps ;) ;D
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Thought he was great today.
Cotchin, Deledio, Martin. The Dream Team!
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150 SC points. stuff me.
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who GAF about sc/dt points?
he run amok today. thats all that couints :cheers
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who GAF about sc/dt points?
he run amok today. thats all that couints :cheers
I do, because unless he broke even (I think it was 99?) he was going to lose value, and many didn't want to take a punt on him this year after last year. So selection justified. ;D 150 is massive.
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I aint completely sure but I think Dusty passed the 30 possession mark today.is that the first time he has done this?
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I aint completely sure but I think Dusty passed the 30 possession mark today.is that the first time he has done this?
Nah hes done it before
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I aint completely sure but I think Dusty passed the 30 possession mark today.is that the first time he has done this?
Nope, 4 times before today.
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I aint completely sure but I think Dusty passed the 30 possession mark today.is that the first time he has done this?
i know he had 30 plus at least twice last yr.
thing is he has rarely dipped below 20 possesions a game. he ave 22 possesions a game last yr and with so few really high possesion games this shows just how consistently he got those 20 plus possies every week.
when the tank is built his average will go over 25 possesions a game with many more 30 plus games.
this has always been his real upside. he averages 22 disposals a game and impacted games all without a real tank. we are yet to see his best.
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...... he averages 22 disposals a game and impacted games all without a real tank. we are yet to see his best.
And that is the biggest thing I got out of today's game - Dusty did more gut running today than I have ever seen from him and that warmed the cockles of my l'il heart! Told me that Dusty is fair dinkum and can become elite.
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150 SC points. stuff me.
Great choice only the best would've picked him :shh
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...... he averages 22 disposals a game and impacted games all without a real tank. we are yet to see his best.
And that is the biggest thing I got out of today's game - Dusty did more gut running today than I have ever seen from him and that warmed the cockles of my l'il heart! Told me that Dusty is fair dinkum and can become elite.
Looked absolutely spent!
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One word about todays performance, whoa :shh
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Great to see Dusty run out 4 quarters today, if not his best game, very close.......
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...... he averages 22 disposals a game and impacted games all without a real tank. we are yet to see his best.
And that is the biggest thing I got out of today's game - Dusty did more gut running today than I have ever seen from him and that warmed the cockles of my l'il heart! Told me that Dusty is fair dinkum and can become elite.
You just have to hope he can get to Gazza Ablett like fitness because if that happens he's gonna be a superstar
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Ran really hard today to receive follow up posessions. Worked really really hard. This is what he needs to perform at 9 times out of 10 to become elite and bury the potential tag. :thumbsup
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Dustin Martin broke the shackles for a full four quarters against the Western Bulldogs
Eliza Sewell
From: Herald Sun
April 14, 2013 9:01PM
DUSTIN Martin had been blowing up in third quarters - not against the Dogs at Etihad Stadium.
The Tiger collected 35 touches in a four-quarter display that helped deliver Richmond a 67-point win against the Western Bulldogs, its third win of the season.
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin said Martin, who played about 76 per cent game time, was learning his limits.
"I think he had 20-odd possessions in the first half last week and only 26 for the game," Cotchin said.
"He's just working on that consistency and he'll become a dominant midfielder of the game if he can work on those four-quarter efforts rather than two.
"We all go through it; I think I went through it two years ago. It's just about knowing your limitations with how long you can work and making sure you get a few more rotations so that you have money in the bank for the second half."
Martin's first official goal yesterday was a beauty from outside 50.
The goal he kicked that was disallowed after one of his teammates gave away a free kick on the goal line, was even better - a whopper from inside the centre square.
He had seven inside-50s and a hand in several scores.
Champion Data reckons Martin had 12 opponents. But he didn't seem to have any. As one radio commentator put it: "Memo Bulldogs: Martin is No.4."
"He and Lids (Brett Deledio), they like to get off the chain," Cotchin said.
"But that's what a good team's about: having a number of players who stand up."
Martin stayed with Cotchin for about three weeks this year and the skipper said it had had an impact.
"It was good. It just created a bond," Cotchin said.
"We were close, but now we're super close.
"He's a very shy kid; the more confidence he has in the people around him, the more he's going to show good signs."
Coach Damien Hardwick said it was possibly the best game Martin had played.
"His consistency over the course of the day was a lot better," Hardwick said.
"Funnily enough he only played 76 per cent game time. We have been working on his rotations and hes been going for too long on them, so it will be interesting to see what they were, but we were pleased from that from him."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/teams/dustin-martin-broke-the-shackles-for-a-full-four-quarters-against-the-western-bulldogs/story-e6frf9mx-1226620287503
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...... he averages 22 disposals a game and impacted games all without a real tank. we are yet to see his best.
And that is the biggest thing I got out of today's game - Dusty did more gut running today than I have ever seen from him and that warmed the cockles of my l'il heart! Told me that Dusty is fair dinkum and can become elite.
He was best on ground. He presented very well. Alot of the time his leads were not rewarded when they should have been but he kept on presenting himself . A faultless game
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Great game from Dusty!! Well done mate!
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Ran really hard today to receive follow up posessions. Worked really really hard. This is what he needs to perform at 9 times out of 10 to become elite and bury the potential tag. :thumbsup
Spot on, noticed him kicking back to Rance I think then sprinting to get the ball back and distribute up field then ran again. :thumbsup
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I aint completely sure but I think Dusty passed the 30 possession mark today.is that the first time he has done this?
i know he had 30 plus at least twice last yr.
thing is he has rarely dipped below 20 possesions a game. he ave 22 possesions a game last yr and with so few really high possesion games this shows just how consistently he got those 20 plus possies every week.
when the tank is built his average will go over 25 possesions a game with many more 30 plus games.
this has always been his real upside. he averages 22 disposals a game and impacted games all without a real tank. we are yet to see his best.
He would have about 15 by half time every single week. He is going to be an absolute monster once his tank is built. Would be interested to know of his 30 possession games how many are at Etihad? Seems like if he played for an Etihad club he could win a Brownlow. :lol
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Would be interested to know of his 30 possession games how many are at Etihad? Seems like if he played for an Etihad club he could win a Brownlow. :lol
3 at the 'G, 1 at Etihad.
35 vs Brisbane Lions at MCG, 30 Apr 2011
33 vs North at Etihad, 24 Apr 2011
32 vs Hawthorn at MCG, 26 May 2012
30 vs Bulldogs at MCG, 12 Aug 2012
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:bow we're not worthy :bow
:bow we're not worthy :bow
:bow we're not worthy :bow
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VIDEO: Dustin Martin interview after the game yesterday ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-04-15/round-3-martin-postmatch
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Would be interested to know of his 30 possession games how many are at Etihad? Seems like if he played for an Etihad club he could win a Brownlow. :lol
3 at the 'G, 1 at Etihad.
35 vs Brisbane Lions at MCG, 30 Apr 2011
33 vs North at Etihad, 24 Apr 2011
32 vs Hawthorn at MCG, 26 May 2012
30 vs Bulldogs at MCG, 12 Aug 2012
Well then I stand corrected. We are not worthy though. :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
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Really impressive.
Seems the coaches are also getting a bit smarter (Chocco?) in their use of him off the ball.
Quite a lot of his time seemed to be spent on that HFF where he was a great option for the hacked-forward kick.
Because he's so strong in a one-on-one contest any team mate under pressure from the centre can just kick it with confidence in his general direction.
Mind you there was a lot of good delivery into the forward line by the player breaking from the back to give the 1-2 handball option (Houli).
The great thing was the forwards were locking it in to a large extent so that player was not killed by a rebound over his head to his loose opponent.
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His ability as a midfielder to kick over the zones is near unparalleled. Big weapon.
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I too think his kicking is elite.His kicking punctures holes in the opposition
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Where was Dusty today? 17 touches today!!!!
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Sack the bum
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Where was Dusty today? 17 touches today!!!!
And 10 of those by quarter time!
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i think 16 by half time.
was one of our better players up to half time
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Went AWOL in the second just like a lot of his mates.The goals he kicked from 50 last week were non existent today when he had the same opportunities. Little impact.
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Dusty had just two touches after half-time. A similar game to his round 1 effort - first half blitz and then disappears once his tank starts running dry.
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disappointed to see he couldn't follow up his great game
from the previous week.
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Dusty had just two touches after half-time. A similar game to his round 1 effort - first half blitz and then disappears once his tank starts running dry.
He needs to learn how to shake a tag! Why didn't Hardwick put him at half-forward at least and isolate the tag???
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1. A four-quarter Dusty effort is needed
DUSTIN Martin prowled the MCG with his usual gusto in the opening term on Saturday and earned ten possessions as Richmond made a bright start against Collingwood. But once again, that was where his contribution started and ended. Martin ended with just 17 possessions for the afternoon and it is becoming the tale of the tape for the precocious youngster - blinding first halves and quiet second halves. The Tigers are delighted with his growing maturity off the field, but what they need from Martin is a bit more petrol in his tank. Against the really good teams, Martin has to be a four-quarter contributor. He was nowhere to be seen in the third term on Saturday when the Pies slammed on eight straight goals to take control of the match. - Ashley Browne
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-21/nine-things-we-learned
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Had his best game for the season, four qtr effort, well done shagger
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Martin on a mature path
By richmondfc.com.au
Friday, June 7, 2013
The growing maturity of Richmond’s young gun midfielder Dustin Martin was evident in an interview on Fox Footy show “AFL Insider” this week.
“I think I’ve learnt, over probably the last year, that your professionalism has to be right up there, and I think I’ve taken that to the next level for myself,” he said.
“Having ‘Choco’ (Mark Williams) come in (as a Club development coach), has been really good for me.
“My preparation’s the best it’s ever been . . . lifestyle and training standards – even just sitting down with Choc each week and going through my game and doing the opposition (analysis) moving forward. It’s just a lot of little things.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-07/martin-on-a-mature-path
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https://twitter.com/brendanterry/status/345826802469580800/photo/1
Tiger passion :thumbsup
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Was great today.
Showing more ticker and loving being out there. :thumbsup
That break away early in the last and the Dusty fend off to hit Ty on the chest was brilliant. :cheers
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Sign him up ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sign him up ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Add on a few cases and a couple of hot chicks
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IMO our most influential player this year. Everything this kid does he does 100%
We are lucky to be able to watch this kid each week. Star!
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Would be great if he won our B&F!
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deledio and edwards have it atm i reckon
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VIDEO: One of Dusty's finest
Four goals and 19 touches, Dustin Martin is coming of age.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-06-16/one-of-dustys-finest
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Great game. Shame he didn't kick 5.
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Sign him up ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Add on a few cases and a couple of hot chicks
.....and a house if he wants one.
Just do it Tigers! :thumbsup
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Dusty:
Career Season Averages
Year Team Games Kicks Handballs Disposals Marks Goals Behinds Tackles Hitouts Frees For Frees Ag. Brownlow
2013 Richmond 11 16.4 7.0 23.4 5.0 1.4 1.4 3.0 0 0.4 0.6
2012 Richmond 20 12.8 9.5 22.4 3.2 1.2 1.2 3.0 0.2 0.9 1.1 0.25
2011 Richmond 22 14.1 8.0 22.1 3.6 1.5 0.6 3.3 0 1.1 1.2 0.55
2010 Richmond 21 10.0 10.2 20.2 2.4 0.5 0.3 3.3 0.2 1.0 1.4 0.29
Career 74 12.9 8.9 21.8 3.3 1.1 0.8 3.2 0.1 0.9 1.1 0.37
Gary Ablett Junior
2005 Geelong 24 10.7 7.4 18.1 2.7 1.2 1.1 3.6 0 1.0 0.9 0.14
2004 Geelong 21 8.5 5.9 14.3 2.2 1.7 1.2 4.4 0 0.7 1.3 0.17
2003 Geelong 22 8.6 6.3 14.9 2.8 1.2 0.9 3.5 0 1.0 0.5 0.14
2002 Geelong 12 3.1 5.2 8.3 1.1 0.8 0.2 2.1 0 0.6 0.1
:shh
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VIDEO: One of Dusty's finest
Four goals and 19 touches, Dustin Martin is coming of age.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-06-16/one-of-dustys-finest
Love that first one where he shoves Rutten out of the way and stops him from getting to Jack.
Yeah Dusty - pushes trucks around.
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I remembrance once he pushed
Freritto the north donkey
It was Bruce lee like :shh
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Is it sad that I have been singing the Dustin Martin song all day, courtesy of the 'Grog Squad'!!!! :lol
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I remembrance once he pushed
Freritto the north donkey
It was Bruce lee like :shh
:lol
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Is it sad that I have been singing the Dustin Martin song all day, courtesy of the 'Grog Squad'!!!! :lol
How does it go?
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Robbo has Dusty as one of his 10 likes this week ....
6. Dustin Martin.
Talk about the return of the ruck-rover changing half-forward flank. Martin has been prolific for the Tigers, kicking 16 goals for the season, including four at the weekend, and finding the sort of consistency and fitness we've all been waiting for. Only twice this season has he not returned more than 15 kicks, and only twice failed to register more than 21 disposals. Because he's so strong one-on-one, he virtually plays as the second full-forward to Jack Riewoldt.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-greater-western-sydney-needs-hawthorn-superstar-lance-franklin/story-fn5937w8-1226664700863
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I remembrance once he pushed
Freritto the north donkey
It was Bruce lee like :shh
I remember that. The prick went flying. Was early in his 2nd season so he was 19yo. :lol
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:yep
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Is it sad that I have been singing the Dustin Martin song all day, courtesy of the 'Grog Squad'!!!! :lol
How does it go?
Here it is Willy!! - GOLD
The Grog Squad
A stanza sung three times, to the tune of Frankie Valli’s I Love you Baby.
Ohhhhh Dustin Martin,
You are the love of my life,
Oh Dustin Martin,
I’d let you shag my wife,
Oh Dustin Martin,
I want neck tattoos toooo.
Sung twice around!!!
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Is it sad that I have been singing the Dustin Martin song all day, courtesy of the 'Grog Squad'!!!! :lol
How does it go?
Here it is Willy!! - GOLD
The Grog Squad
A stanza sung three times, to the tune of Frankie Valli’s I Love you Baby.
Ohhhhh Dustin Martin,
You are the love of my life,
Oh Dustin Martin,
I’d let you shag my wife,
Oh Dustin Martin,
I want neck tattoos toooo.
Sung twice around!!!
Why do people not like the Grog Squad. The Grog Squad is the intelligentsia of the normal supporter. All rival clubs supporters are jealous of the grog squad.
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Is it sad that I have been singing the Dustin Martin song all day, courtesy of the 'Grog Squad'!!!! :lol
How does it go?
Here it is Willy!! - GOLD
The Grog Squad
A stanza sung three times, to the tune of Frankie Valli’s I Love you Baby.
Ohhhhh Dustin Martin,
You are the love of my life,
Oh Dustin Martin,
I’d let you shag my wife,
Oh Dustin Martin,
I want neck tattoos toooo.
Sung twice around!!!
:lol
:bow
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there's a decent youtube clip of it being sung to the opposition as they trudge out the gates after a Richmond win
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrQ06cEjYfI
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reminds me of this: http://fanchants.co.uk/football-songs/manchester_united-chants/viva-ronaldo-mp3-extended-version/
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what is that rot? keep the pommy nancy boy roundball poo to yourself mate ::)
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what is that rot? keep the pommy nancy boy roundball poo to yourself mate ::)
The 'cheersquads' songs are so EPL they should pay for the copyright :thatsgold
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what is that rot? keep the pommy nancy boy roundball poo to yourself mate ::)
:clapping
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Dusty turns 22 today :birthday.
http://instagram.com/p/bAMwIHOAik/#
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Thought he'd be averaging 30 and 4 by now
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Hope the club gave him a contract and a pen for his birthday.
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Hope the club gave him a contract and a pen for his birthday.
:clapping
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Buy him a house for his birthday.
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Buy him a house for his birthday.
He already has a house that he bought himself :clapping
No point offering him a new car, our major sponsor would take care of that
Perhaps a yacht is the way to go
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Hope the club gave him a contract and a pen for his birthday.
hope so
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Hope the club gave him a contract and a pen for his birthday.
:pray
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Buy him a house for his birthday.
He already has a house that he bought himself :clapping
No point offering him a new car, our major sponsor would take care of that
Perhaps a yacht is the way to go
Yacht would probably make him wish he was upstate with warmer water and weather!
The kid wants money. No idea how much but is be offering him 2.5-3 for 5 years personally.
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Whilst Jack leaving would bring me to tears, seeing Dustin in another jumper would probably compel me towards violence. I think it's best for everyone that you sign, Dustin.
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Buy him a house for his birthday.
He already has a house that he bought himself :clapping
No point offering him a new car, our major sponsor would take care of that
Perhaps a yacht is the way to go
Yacht would probably make him wish he was upstate with warmer water and weather!
The kid wants money. No idea how much but is be offering him 2.5-3 for 5 years personally.
Buy him the Precinct Hotel.
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Word on the street is the deal has been done.
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Get off the road TBR, you're drunk
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Get off the road TBR, you're drunk
Well it is a Thursday morning. :cheers
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:cheers
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Word on the street is the deal has been done.
Dont play love games with me, TBR.
What do you know, son?
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Word on the street is the deal has been done.
Dont play love games with me, TBR.
What do you know, son?
Just that Willy, I was told last night by someone who I think would know that it has all been sorted, terms and everything agreed to and it is just a matter of getting all the formalities done and it will be announced.
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Still tuning Mama Martin?
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Still tuning Mama Martin?
:lol
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Word on the street is the deal has been done.
Dont play love games with me, TBR.
What do you know, son?
Just that Willy, I was told last night by someone who I think would know that it has all been sorted, terms and everything agreed to and it is just a matter of getting all the formalities done and it will be announced.
Beauty.
Thanks for the good word
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As if he would leave.
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You sound like Mark Brayshaw :shh
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Made a few clangers (wasn't Robinson Crusoe on that front last night) but with 31 possies Dusty really stood up last night and was proactive with his play. He's having a very good year IMO. All we need him to do is keep it up and re-sign :yep.
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Another solid game, really looking more athletic this year which is great and has certainly run himself into better fitness since the start of the year. Would like to see him bag a few more goals though, like 2011.
Is he worth $650k though? Probs not. I price him at about $550k, $600k if that's what it takes to keep him.
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Stability is the key for Tiger
Caroline Wilson
The Age
July 24, 2013
On the one hand, Dustin Martin is one of football's good news stories for 2013. Barely 22, the prodigiously talented young Tiger began the season under a cloud from which there seemed no escape after a pre-season beset by innuendo and genuine trouble, culminating in a subtle form of intervention by Richmond.
There was high anxiety for both player and club as Martin was coming off a 2012 campaign which failed to live up the standards he had set the previous year - his second in the AFL.
Martin's problems were being investigated among a series of sinister off-field tales of wild summer behaviour at a time when the game was bracing itself for an illicit drugs summit. The rumour mill became volcanic, but all along the Tigers protected their man.
Since the season started, Martin has found refuge in the game, which seems to come so naturally to him. As his club looks headed towards its first finals series in 12 years, the brilliant young player probably sits in the top five in the club's best and fairest, and near the top of the competition in score assists. He should have kicked five goals against Fremantle on Sunday.
Now the bad news. Martin is out of contract and there is a significant gap between what he is asking to play for Richmond for the next two years and what the club is offering. He won plenty last time around because his manager, Ricky Nixon, played the Tigers off against the fledgling Greater Western Sydney and leaked reports Martin had been offered staggering sums by the Giants. (The Giants have since denied they made an offer.)
Martin re-signed for a reported $450,000 and the reports now are that whatever the Tigers and their new football boss Daniel Richardson have put on the table - other clubs have offered $150,000 more.
Martin is now being managed by Ralph Carr, the former Carlton director who was in Sydney this week amid strong speculation that, should Martin walk out of Richmond, his home of choice would be Sydney, which is where his father lives.
And yet the Giants have again denied they are looking at Martin and Swans boss Andrew Ireland on Tuesday ruled out making the young Tiger an offer. Just which clubs are looking at Martin remains a mystery.
So if it is true that Martin is looking to leave Richmond if the club cannot come to terms with him on money, Sydney does not look a likely home for him. Richardson's view appears to be that the Tigers will no longer over-pay its players to retain them.
It remains a concern that, with August just around the corner, neither Martin nor Jack Riewoldt have signed, but someone should advise Martin and his management that they should back his talent and sign now for two years.
Martin's upbringing was not easy, but he appears to have found a home at Tigerland where he feels secure, happy and well liked.
Captain Trent Cotchin reportedly played host to Martin, his house guest over Martin's troubled summer, and continues to treat him as something of a younger brother.
Club leaders Chris Newman and Brett Deledio also work a fine line between being teammates and guardians.
Club president Gary March housed him for close to two years and the Tigers' development coach, Mark Williams, has built a strong relationship with the players for whom a change of routine remains an issue.
Richmond, according to AFL head office, deserves significant credit for its management of a talented but occasionally wayward young man for whom football has became a saving grace.
It is significant that just over a year ago, Martin was suspended for disciplinary reasons and was a spectator when the Tigers lost in Cairns to the Gold Coast Suns, while this year he starred and Richmond won.
Perhaps for Martin, management will be the best the club can hope for and that is no small thing. Surely those around him away from the club can see that stability in his case is something money cannot buy.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/stability-is-the-key-for-tiger-20130723-2qhk6.html#ixzz2ZtNEYaYH
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Are you an insomniac OE?
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Are you an insomniac OE?
If he is, I'm not sure you're the person to fix it.
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WP any comments?
You have been dead right on all of our players
Dusty will sign yeah?
Surely when we dump mcguane and nahas we will surely have enough in the cap
If we lose Dusty hopefully the club come out and explain his there was no money left after signing Grigg, Mcguane and Nahas on descent size contracts
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Dusty is not going anywhere. Will hold out for as long as possible to get the best offer he can from the club then sign on. ;)
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Thats my mail too :shh
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WP any comments?
You have been dead right on all of our players
Dusty will sign yeah?
Surely when we dump mcguane and nahas we will surely have enough in the cap
If we lose Dusty hopefully the club come out and explain his there was no money left after signing Grigg, Mcguane and Nahas on descent size contracts
Firstly, I have always said I believe Dusty & Jack will re-sign. Nothing has happened for me to change that view.
Lot of posturing going on IMHO.
Will say I am not a fan of Ralph Carr, relatively new as a player manager and Dusty would be in his top 5 clients behind Cloke at 1. Reckon he is trying to make a name for himself again like he did with Cloke. I really do question what sort of advice he is giving his young client in this case. ;) Other thing is we don't know what other people (eg his family) are advising him as well.
Second, this isn't about whether we have room in the cap, it is in part as Caro rightfully points out about us not paying "overs". Players can not and should not hold the club to ransom anymore
I reckon Caro is spot on in her opinion here, RFC has been very good to Dusty and it should IMV play a part in his decision but unfortunately I doubt player managers see it or advise it that way
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'Martin is now being managed by Ralph Carr, the former Carlton director'
That makes me feel very uneasy. Keep Carlton filth away from our lads I say.
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Great article by Caro. Right on the money :thumbsup
Hope he stays but the sky won't fall if he doesn't
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Dan Richardson is no mug at the negotiation table, has Ralph Carr & Liam Pindick covered
He won't pay overs and he won't let them walk
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Dan Richardson is no mug at the negotiation table, has Ralph Carr & Liam Pindick covered
He won't pay overs and he won't let them walk
Exactly Mr Gerkin :clapping
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I'm not convinced he'll go, but just thinking out scenarios. Provided GWS don't bend us over (assuming that would be Martin's destination) and just scoop him off the top of the PSD, what happens to Patton with Cameron's form, if they get Buddy and choose not to pass Tom Boyd (Robbo said once on 360 that he was told that pick 1 isn't necessarily up for grabs unless someone is offering an absolute superstar)? Presuming Jack stays would anyone entertain Dusty for Pinhead? Not only do we get a massive forward line upgrade we still get to use our first pick on a midfielder (albeit around pick 11-13). I'd say chuck that pick at Adams too but I'm not sure they want any more green teenagers unless we could group that with a senior fringe player (e.g Nahas) who they could use and also we get some cap room back.
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GTFO Dwaino :cheers
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:lol
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Liam Pindick
:lol
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Hasn't come on yet. Still waiting
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My mail s he's Gonski.......posturing has started between both Sydney and GWS. I have been told it wont worry him wich cklub he gets to as long as its in Sydney. personaly i cant see Sydney having anything to offer but the skybis the limit with GWS,Is he worth pick 1?
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Surely Sydney must be out of money after the Tippett crap?
If it were to GWS and we are going to lose him regardless, Dusty + our first for pick 1? Don't think Martin alone could get pick 1. They can get Buddy via FA and if we play too hard they'll have have first pick in PSD anyway.
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After all the effort put into him I'd hate to see him go. Could he be holding a grudge against Richmond though? In our eyes they helped him but he could see it a totally different way
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anyone is better than Liam Pindick
shady mudaducker.
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dusty on his own is worth pick 1. a pick 3 who in hindsight could easily have been pick 1 himself, travelling along OK and not too far off entering his best years in terms of football.
gee you argue he is worth more than pick 1
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My mail s he's Gonski.......posturing has started between both Sydney and GWS. I have been told it wont worry him wich cklub he gets to as long as its in Sydney. personaly i cant see Sydney having anything to offer but the skybis the limit with GWS,Is he worth pick 1?
Career Season Averages
Year Team Games Kicks Handballs Disposals Marks Goals Behinds Tackles Hitouts Frees For Frees Ag. Brownlow
2013 Richmond 16 16.9 7.2 24.2 4.9 1.1 1.6 2.8 0.1 0.6 0.9
2012 Richmond 20 12.8 9.5 22.4 3.2 1.2 1.2 3.0 0.2 0.9 1.1 0.25
2011 Richmond 22 14.1 8.0 22.1 3.6 1.5 0.6 3.3 0 1.1 1.2 0.55
2010 Richmond 21 10.0 10.2 20.2 2.4 0.5 0.3 3.3 0.2 1.0 1.4 0.29
Career 79 13.3 8.8 22.1 3.4 1.1 0.9 3.1 0.2 0.9 1.2 0.37
yep
dusty on his own is worth pick 1. a pick 3 who in hindsight could easily have been pick 1 himself, travelling along OK and not too far off entering his best years in terms of football.
gee you argue he is worth more than pick 1
yep
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dusty on his own is worth pick 1. a pick 3 who in hindsight could easily have been pick 1 himself, travelling along OK and not too far off entering his best years in terms of football.
gee you argue he is worth more than pick 1
I agree with this, but what about in this case where he can just walk in for free if they wanted to be jerks?
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the problem is we supposedly paid overs for him last time, no thanks to Sheeds, so fair chance he wants more than that
Agree with Al, id say he is worth more.
would people tear up if they offered us say a player plus Pick 1.
The thing is GWS need experienced players and i dont think they could afford a player like Dusty who is still developing. Id say they are more likely to go after NDS, in fact id be putting my house on it he heads north.
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My mail s he's Gonski.......posturing has started between both Sydney and GWS. I have been told it wont worry him wich cklub he gets to as long as its in Sydney. personaly i cant see Sydney having anything to offer but the skybis the limit with GWS,Is he worth pick 1?
I love mail
It's funny how we all get such different mail at times ;) ;D
I'll be up in Sydney on Sunday hoping to get some mail myself ;D
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you lot are starting to make me angry >:(
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dusty on his own is worth pick 1. a pick 3 who in hindsight could easily have been pick 1 himself, travelling along OK and not too far off entering his best years in terms of football.
gee you argue he is worth more than pick 1
I agree with this, but what about in this case where he can just walk in for free if they wanted to be jerks?
Then we set him up with a couple of hookers, lines of coke and some prescription drugs and watch the fallout
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you lot are starting to make me angry >:(
He'll re-sign ;) ;D ;) ;D
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WP any comments?
You have been dead right on all of our players
Dusty will sign yeah?
Surely when we dump mcguane and nahas we will surely have enough in the cap
If we lose Dusty hopefully the club come out and explain his there was no money left after signing Grigg, Mcguane and Nahas on descent size contracts
Firstly, I have always said I believe Dusty & Jack will re-sign. Nothing has happened for me to change that view.
Lot of posturing going on IMHO.
Will say I am not a fan of Ralph Carr, relatively new as a player manager and Dusty would be in his top 5 clients behind Cloke at 1. Reckon he is trying to make a name for himself again like he did with Cloke. I really do question what sort of advice he is giving his young client in this case. ;) Other thing is we don't know what other people (eg his family) are advising him as well.
Second, this isn't about whether we have room in the cap, it is in part as Caro rightfully points out about us not paying "overs". Players can not and should not hold the club to ransom anymore
I reckon Caro is spot on in her opinion here, RFC has been very good to Dusty and it should IMV play a part in his decision but unfortunately I doubt player managers see it or advise it that way
agree
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seriously what is mcgaune on? delist give $ to dusty and jack problem solved.
I wouldn't have luke in coburg best 22 - would rather give games to astubry, darrou, griffiths, elton, etc.
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We have to be strong re player payments considering the stable of young colts who will be requesting a collective raise in the coming years. I would hate to overpay Martin and lose a McBean (should he continue his promising start) or Ellis in 2 years time. Pick one and a player would be just fine if he turns out to be an ungrateful mercenary. I hope he sees the light.........but can he?
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According to Mark Stevens just now on Ch 7, contract talks between Dusty and the Club have been put off until the end of the season. Stevens said he still believe Dusty will stay at Richmond but both Sydney clubs are sniffing around.
UPDATE 30/9/2013:
Martin has committed to a further two seasons at the Club, ensuring he will remain a Tiger until at least the end of 2015.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-30/martin-sticks-with-the-tigers-
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That's funny, Julian De Stoop said on Fox sports news around 6.30 tonight that Dusty should be signed with in the 2-3 weeks :rollin
Who to believe ;D
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Pick 1 and Dom Tyson.Thanks.
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At least Barrett has something else other than Essendon and Jack to talk about on the Footy Show now.
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:lol
Who will we talk about in the off-season?
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Mark Stevens about a month ago suggested RFC were close to signing martin, i think he just made it up ::)....de stoop isn't often far off the mark just quietly :shh
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If true he is gawn
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If true he is gawn
you saying that makes me think he will stay. :shh
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If this true....
Ralph Carr is Dusty's manager, he is also Trav Clokes manager.
Interestingly, we saw the same sort of scenario last year with Cloke talks were supposedly off but lo and behold he re-signed before the season finished
Common denominator is Ralph Carr
Still think he will re-sign, all about posturing ;D
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Not making up my mind until I get BJ's mail :shh
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Both Sydney clubs.... ::)
How the stuff would the Swans afford him if he wants upwards of $700k a season???
They could win a second consecutive flag and pick up the hottest player in trade period for the second consecutive year!
Sam Reid > GWS
Dustin Martin > Sydney
Pick 1 > Richmond
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I am not impressed.
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Brace yourselves friends, we should be talking more "what can we get" than "when will he sign" :shh
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is it the same Ralph Carr who married Tina Arena and then ripped her off?
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***un worth pick one plus
Rightful pick one of his draft pool
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Martin and his manager Ralph Carr have yet to recommit. There has been a major gap in the financial expectations of both parties.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/riewoldt-stays-a-tiger-martin-still-unsigned-20130726-2qp35.html
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stuff him off to fwd for pick one and a solid mid
but if we lose Martin cos we paid overs for jack I will be furious
what's Martin gonna do with money anyway ... party harder with Losers
like Connors..
this could also be BS and he may sign next week
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maybe RFC are not happy he is still mates with Connors :shh
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Baaaa baaaa
You know we underpaid for Jack right??? ::)
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is it the same Ralph Carr who married Tina Arena and then ripped her off?
Yes it is the former Mr Tina Arena
And we certainly havent paid overs for Jack
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Wasn't worried about Jack, a bit worried about dusty! Why because he is a dumb stuff and like username said he's too stupid to know what to do with money,
Edited :banghead dont know how many times we have to say it! You cannot post things that are untrue, innuendo or rumours that can get us in trouble legally (Which is what the part removed could do) even if they are only in jest :banghead :banghead
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dusty is a recluse amongst his social circle of scaly mates, uprooting himself from that to another state I suspect would be the last choice. my mail is he is keen to stay at punt rd...that's a good start, RFC will get the job done :shh
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dusty is a recluse amongst his social circle of scaly mates, uprooting himself from that to another state I suspect would be the last choice. my mail is he is keen to stay at punt rd...that's a good start, RFC will get the job done :shh
Your mail this time is correct
He doesn't want to leave, he wants to stay and he will stay IMHO (and don't want to boast but I am batting 1000 on these contract re-signings thus far ;D).
Posturing by his manager or to put it another way, his manager promising Maserati's but knowing he can only deliver a top model BMW this time round ;D
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dusty is a recluse amongst his social circle of scaly mates, uprooting himself from that to another state I suspect would be the last choice. my mail is he is keen to stay at punt rd...that's a good start, RFC will get the job done :shh
Your mail this time is correct
He doesn't want to leave, he wants to stay and he will stay IMHO (and don't want to boast but I am batting 1000 on these contract re-signings thus far ;D).
Posturing by his manager or to put it another way, his manager promising Maserati's but knowing he can only deliver a top model BMW this time round ;D
Dusty is a Commodore SS man
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Of all out players dusty is the one I cant get a handle on.Many times he has left me gobsmacked with his sublime skills and sheer brute strength,and other times I see him go half assed at the contest.I would love to hang on to him as I think his potential is not even remotely realised yet
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Wait until he plays in September, I think that is when we will see him at his best.
Dusty is going to be type of player who will win finals over his own boot.
That alone will make him important to keep.
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Wait until he plays in September, I think that is when we will see him at his best.
Dusty is going to be type of player who will win finals over his own boot.
That alone will make him important to keep.
the word is match winner and dusty is exactly that.
For all we know Boyd might turn into a ritchie lounder type
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dusty is a pillar in our premiership plans, he s the type that will kick 4.1 in a GF off a HF whilst knocking up 25 through the midfield like he s shelling peas. he knows it , we know it , the world knows it ..Punt rd is his Home :shh
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the word is match winner and dusty is exactly that.
For all we know Boyd might turn into a ritchie lounder type
No chance, solid citizen with his head screwed on the right way.
:thumbsup
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Stuff Boyd.
Martin for Cameron.
Any kid that can destroy Collingwood on his own is worth Dusty plus more.
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Dusty is clearly not too switched on - he has Ralph Carr as a manager....A narcissist among pigs
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Caro saying on 3aw that she hearing there's a 100k difference in what Richmond are offering and what Dusty and his manager are asking for. If he were to move it's believed his preference would be to live in Sydney but neither of the Sydney clubs have shown any interest. I think she said she still believes Dusty to be staying but I was talking to someone so I didn't hear all of what Caro said.
She praised Dan Richardson as passing his first test with the signing of Jack without selling the farm to retain him. Next up is Dusty.
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Dusty you can go live in Sydney and drive trucks. :lol
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dusty is a pillar in our premiership plans, he s the type that will kick 4.1 in a GF off a HF whilst knocking up 25 through the midfield like he s shelling peas. he knows it , we know it , the world knows it ..Punt rd is his Home :shh
As good as he has shown and can be he can also be the one in the GF who'll get dispossessed walk with his hands on hips as the ball gets whisked away and the opposition go on to kick the next 8 goals. Until he is consistent and produces the goods week in and week out Dan stand your ground.
Dusty will be an elite footballer when he gets the tank until then he is potentially an elite footballer and currently a very talented and good footballer.
If he wants to leave trade for him as if he is an elite footballer. Early first rounder pick 1-4 nothing less.
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We need Dusty end of story, get it done Tiges.
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Anyone remember The Dominator Wayne Johnston?
That is the type of step up player Dusty will end up becoming. He'll win many more finals than lose them.
Just a matter of who he does it for
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stuff me , 100 k after tax is nothing, when your earring 500+... My mail is he s posturing on whether to sign for 4 or 5 :shh
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dusty is a recluse amongst his social circle of scaly mates, uprooting himself from that to another state I suspect would be the last choice. my mail is he is keen to stay at punt rd...that's a good start, RFC will get the job done :shh
I hope you are right
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We need Dusty end of story, get it done Tiges.
totally agree. Required player
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We need Dusty end of story, get it done Tiges.
totally agree. Required player
He will be even more important next year because he will be better yet again... :clapping
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Imagine Sydney with this bloke in the side :o....sign him Tigers.
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pay him whatever he wants
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Gun, back to his best
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stuff me , 100 k after tax is nothing, when your earring 500+... My mail is he s posturing on whether to sign for 4 or 5 :shh
your mail is wrong about the posturing, but keep it up ;D
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After this season......im thinking id just about turn for the lad.
Pay him what he wants. Reiwoldt minus the nob
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Make deledio take a paycut so we can give him what he deserves.
Stays at it all day unlike lids.
He is our future Judd
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Exactly
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Three matches in a row Martin has had 30 possessions. First time?
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Three matches in a row Martin has had 30 possessions. First time?
Yep.
Dusty's previous best was back-to-back 30+ possies in rounds 5 & 6, 2011.
30 possies or more games:
2010: 0
2011: 2
2012: 2
2013: 5
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1970&SeasonID=ALL
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They better pay this kid asap
Get rid of Conca
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WP if its not posturing by his manager then what is it?
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Make deledio take a paycut so we can give him what he deserves.
Stays at it all day unlike lids.
He is our future Judd
:clapping stuffing love him
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stuff he was good today as he has been all year, if i was RFC id be reconsidering his value next to cotch, IMHO its stuff all difference :shh
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stuff me , 100 k after tax is nothing, when your earring 500+... My mail is he s posturing on whether to sign for 4 or 5 :shh
your mail is wrong about the posturing, but keep it up ;D
You keep alluding that you know what's going on so why don't you enlighten us all?
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Yep gotta keep this kid. Another impressive game by Dusty.
Best and most influential midfielder today by far. :thumbsup
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Luke McGuane
Tom Derickx
Shane Tuck (retirement)
Matthew Dea
delist them and give Dustin Martin there $$$,$$$ ...
maybe 100,000 in total???
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stuff me , 100 k after tax is nothing, when your earring 500+... My mail is he s posturing on whether to sign for 4 or 5 :shh
your mail is wrong about the posturing, but keep it up ;D
Well what is it then WP. How can you dismiss ones claim if you don't know yourself.
FWIW I believe It can't be asking for 100k which is really $55k it must be a hell of a lot more or the term which is the issue.
Agree with posters we can't let him go after watching lids get beaten yet again.
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stuff me , 100 k after tax is nothing, when your earring 500+... My mail is he s posturing on whether to sign for 4 or 5 :shh
your mail is wrong about the posturing, but keep it up ;D
Well what is it then WP. How can you dismiss ones claim if you don't know yourself.
FWIW I believe It can't be asking for 100k which is really $55k it must be a hell of a lot more or the term which is the issue.
Agree with posters we can't let him go after watching lids get beaten yet again.
It isn't about the contract length but the $ at the moment
And what may only be $55k in Dusty's pocket is still a full $100k to the RFC
Thought I explained it on Friday, manager promising his client a maserati but can only delivery a top model BMW, or Merc or HSV ;D
You keep alluding that you know what's going on so why don't you enlighten us all?
Funny thought I had numerous times ;D
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You keep alluding that you know what's going on so why don't you enlighten us all?
Funny thought I had numerous times ;D
You've batted on about cars and posturing nothing specific.
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Make deledio take a paycut so we can give him what he deserves.
Stays at it all day unlike lids.
He is our future Judd
We have so many poo players on the list get rid of them offs
deledio is not the issue
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You've batted on about cars and posturing nothing specific.
And what BJ is being specific with his "mail" ::)
I've explained it, tried to explain the posturing using an analogy, that's not specific enough
Have said it is his manager posturing what more do you want?
Perhaps I should start everything by saying "my mail is"
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Must keep, get it done Tiges
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You've batted on about cars and posturing nothing specific.
And what BJ is being specific with his "mail" ::)
I've explained it, tried to explain the posturing using an analogy, that's not specific enough
Have said it is his manager posturing what more do you want?
Perhaps I should start everything by saying "my mail is"
No need to use "my mail" as it'll make you look like a tosser but at least he had a crack saying between 4 and 5 years. You haven't used any figures which is all we care about if you have the information as you allude to but you've pretty much said what the journo's are, they disagree on money.
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Talking to a fella at work who is fairly thick in DMs social circle, there i said it, tickets to this weeks game in fact. He s very confident of a signature imminently :shh
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^ Like ^ ;D
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I'm pretty sure they just said on channel 7 that contract talks put on hold till the end of the season?
Also showed a new tattoo dusty has covering his entire hand. Looks like poo :-\
Predictive text on this phone is a mutha f....
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight restated that any new deal for Dusty won't be done until the post-season.
Dusty has also got a new tattoo on the back of his hand.
Edit: beat me to it EEA :cheers
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I'm pretty sure they just said on channel 7 that contract talks put on hold till the end of the season?
Also showed odd a new tattoo diary has covering his entire hand. Looks like poo :-\
Didnt call it on hold this time the screen graphic and Mark Stevens said "delayed" until the end of the season.
Not sure what's the difference to honest ;D
No further comment from me :laugh: ;D :whistle :dancing
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WP..do you think we will lose any players because we have had to dig deep to get cotch,jack and maybe dusty to sign on the dotted line
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight restated that any new deal for Dusty won't be done until the post-season.
Dusty has also got a new tattoo on the back of his hand.
Edit: beat me to it EEA :cheers
Thats actually not what he said at all, he said , looking more likely that a decision will be delayed, a conclusion he obviously drew coz he hasn't signed yet. ::) Rewind the tape and playback frame by frame :shh
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New ink for Dustin Martin
By Jacqui Reed
afl.com.au
3:44pm AEST Tuesday, July 30, 2013
RICHMOND midfielder Dustin Martin has unveiled his latest tattoo, and Tiger fans - it's a big one.
The 22-year old has gone for a design that entirely covers the back of his right hand.
Martin posted a picture of the new artwork on his Instagram account on Tuesday, with fans instantly sharing their approval of the daring addition.
The tattoo appears to feature a skull as well as bundles of money, which covers his hand and runs up his wrist.
It's the latest in a now burgeoning collection of tattoos for the Richmond youngster.
He has followed in his father Shane's footsteps, boasting the Maori words 'Ngati Maru' and 'Matai Whetu' on his neck.
The pair also have matching tattoos that read 'Live Free. Die Free' on their torsos.
Martin's latest addition is certainly one to watch out for this weekend.
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Dustin%20Martin-Tattoo140.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-30/dustys-backhander
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Looks better than when I saw it on tv, though im not into hand tattoo's
Anyway each to their own, im probably in a minority and what he does outside of football is not my concern unless it reflects on field.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight restated that any new deal for Dusty won't be done until the post-season.
Dusty has also got a new tattoo on the back of his hand.
Thats actually not what he said at all, he said , looking more likely that a decision will be delayed, a conclusion he obviously drew coz he hasn't signed yet. ::) Rewind the tape and playback frame by frame :shh
Listen to it again. Mark Stevens was talking about free agent Cooney and how his future won't be decided until post-round 23 and then as he moves onto talking about Dusty he says "another deal likely not to be done until post-season is out of contract Tiger Dustin Martin" and they then put up the graphic of Dusty's photo with "delayed" across it.
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Hey bojo, better check your mail again
Computers says no
:shh
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At least hands and wrists heal quickly.
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I know I don't really post here much, but have a source close to Vlastuin, said that 3 months ago there was no chance Dusty was going, loves the club, lives for Cotchin - won't let anyone down. The way these things pan out, they usually stay. Still, we'd all sleep easier at night if he would just bloody sign!!!!
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Regardless he is worth the dollars
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Boss
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yep
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thats one stuffing stupid tattoo... he may be a good footy player but stuff he has poo for brains
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I can see him soon looking like mike tyson :shh
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They suit him
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I liked it when he only had the neck tattoos it was simple and tough. It was like saying "yeah I'm tough but I don't need full body tattoos to prove it".
The question is, will the extra weight increase the power of those devastating fend offs ;D
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Please use a ruler as a frame of reference. Photos can be misleading
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WP..do you think we will lose any players because we have had to dig deep to get cotch,jack and maybe dusty to sign on the dotted line
No,
I dont' believe despite what the media say we have salary cap pressure. Think down the track we may (say 2-3 years time) have issues with the likes of Vlaustin, Ellis, Maric, Cotchin etc coming out of contract but going into 2014 I don't believe we do
Therefore I think we will keep those we want and trade out those we dont.
Also think those who are probably on higher coin than they should be to ensure we pay the minimum of the cap will get paid less if we decide to keep them
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight restated that any new deal for Dusty won't be done until the post-season.
Dusty has also got a new tattoo on the back of his hand.
Thats actually not what he said at all, he said , looking more likely that a decision will be delayed, a conclusion he obviously drew coz he hasn't signed yet. ::) Rewind the tape and playback frame by frame :shh
Listen to it again. Mark Stevens was talking about free agent Cooney and how his future won't be decided until post-round 23 and then as he moves onto talking about Dusty he says "another deal likely not to be done until post-season is out of contract Tiger Dustin Martin" and they then put up the graphic of Dusty's photo with "delayed" across it.
Exactly, he said likely, you earlier said WONT , cheers for clearing that up :shh,
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WP..do you think we will lose any players because we have had to dig deep to get cotch,jack and maybe dusty to sign on the dotted line
No,
I dont' believe despite what the media say we have salary cap pressure. Think down the track we may (say 2-3 years time) have issues with the likes of Vlaustin, Ellis, Maric, Cotchin etc coming out of contract but going into 2014 I don't believe we do
Therefore I think we will keep those we want and trade out those we dont.
Also think those who are probably on higher coin than they should be to ensure we pay the minimum of the cap will get paid less if we decide to keep them
We have room for roughly two more decent players to bolster the current squad. Or to just give Martin what he wants. ;D
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight restated that any new deal for Dusty won't be done until the post-season.
Dusty has also got a new tattoo on the back of his hand.
Thats actually not what he said at all, he said , looking more likely that a decision will be delayed, a conclusion he obviously drew coz he hasn't signed yet. ::) Rewind the tape and playback frame by frame :shh
Listen to it again. Mark Stevens was talking about free agent Cooney and how his future won't be decided until post-round 23 and then as he moves onto talking about Dusty he says "another deal likely not to be done until post-season is out of contract Tiger Dustin Martin" and they then put up the graphic of Dusty's photo with "delayed" across it.
Exactly, he said likely, you earlier said WONT , cheers for clearing that up :shh,
Semantics. Stevens said four days ago that talks had been put off until the end of the season (see OP of this thread). Last night was just restating that. Whether he's right or wrong we'll find out over the next two months.
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Three matches in a row Martin has had 30 possessions. First time?
Yep.
Dusty's previous best was back-to-back 30+ possies in rounds 5 & 6, 2011.
30 possies or more games:
2010: 0
2011: 2
2012: 2
2013: 5
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1970&SeasonID=ALL
Martin on a roll ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-07-30/martin-on-a-roll
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight restated that any new deal for Dusty won't be done until the post-season.
Dusty has also got a new tattoo on the back of his hand.
Thats actually not what he said at all, he said , looking more likely that a decision will be delayed, a conclusion he obviously drew coz he hasn't signed yet. ::) Rewind the tape and playback frame by frame :shh
Listen to it again. Mark Stevens was talking about free agent Cooney and how his future won't be decided until post-round 23 and then as he moves onto talking about Dusty he says "another deal likely not to be done until post-season is out of contract Tiger Dustin Martin" and they then put up the graphic of Dusty's photo with "delayed" across it.
Exactly, he said likely, you earlier said WONT , cheers for clearing that up :shh,
Semantics. Stevens said four days ago that talks had been put off until the end of the season (see OP of this thread). Last night was just restating that. Whether he's right or wrong we'll find out over the next two months.
Stevens did say that, He also said on ch7 a month or two ago that he was about to sign, his mail tends to be more guess work than anything else :shh
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thats one stuffing stupid tattoo... he may be a good footy player but stuff he has poo for brains
Tatts are personal choice mate. Who gives a rats if you like it or not and as for him having poo for brains , well ,
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Gone. ;)
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Stevens did say that, He also said on ch7 a month or two ago that he was about to sign, his mail tends to be more guess work than anything else :shh
Nothing like Bo's mail is there
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thats one stuffing stupid tattoo... he may be a good footy player but stuff he has poo for brains
Tatts are personal choice mate. Who gives a rats if you like it or not and as for him having poo for brains , well ,
1 don't call me mate
2 I know tatts are personal choice
3 dusty is a dumbfukk and his choices are pathetic and show that even if he is a good footy player that he is still a dumbfuckk imbecile
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:lol
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Gone. ;)
heard the same thing and sadly we wont be compensated as we should.
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Gone. ;)
heard the same thing and sadly we wont be compensated as we should.
Doubt that Ramps
If we let him go for 100k or thereabouts then the RFC can get stuffed
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1 don't call me mate
Oh don't worry I called you a lot worse than that but it got snipped sadly
3 dusty is a dumbstuffk and his choices are pathetic and show that even if he is a good footy player that he is still a dumbstuffk imbecile
Really ? You know him do you ? Truth is matey mate , you wouldn't have the first frickin clue what Dusty does in his life would you ?
If it makes you feel like a big man to get on here and call him a " dumbstuffk imbecile " then go ahead , knock yourself out. Better still , why don't you go down to Punt Rd and say it to his face tough guy ? Nah , I thought not. pee weak
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Short mans syndrome
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Gone. ;)
heard the same thing and sadly we wont be compensated as we should.
only way we won't get compensated handsomely is if he walks into the draft and we get nothing at all – but the AFL will not let a player do that without mediation to at least attempt an equitable trade first
i think you two are sucking on the wrong end of a dirty sav
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only way we won't get compensated handsomely is if he walks into the draft and we get nothing at all – but the AFL will not let a player do that without mediation to at least attempt an equitable trade first
He could walk to GWS but you'd hope Dusty wouldn't do that to us. Getting a trade done so we get compensated in some way would be the right thing for him to do if was to leave.
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Snip! ::) :banghead
Back to the topic ppl without the personal insults!
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Here's an enlarged pic of Dusty's new tattoo on the back of his right hand.
http://instagram.com/p/cYNpTUxFVm/embed/#
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'Choco' has Dustin Martin's house in order
By Greg Buckle
AAP
Friday, August 2, 2013
SOME simple guidelines from Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams have helped young star Dustin Martin put his house in order.
Martin is averaging 24.5 possessions per game in 2013 and the Tigers are working hard to sign the out-of-contract 22-year-old to a new deal.
The powerful midfielder gained prominence as a second-year player in 2011, earning a third-placed finish in Richmond's best-and-fairest award.
However in 2012 Martin was equal 10th in the award after a season in which he was suspended by the Tigers for two matches for missing a compulsory training session.
"Dusty knew himself that he had a little bit of growing up to do," Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told Channel Nine's The Footy Show on Thursday night.
"He's put so many things in place now that keep him in check.
"He's been fantastic. He's got a program.
"He sits down with 'Choc' (Williams).
"On his day off it might be four different things that he needs to tick off.
"It might be paying his phone bill and so forth. But he's learnt that having structure in his life is a real good guidance to living the right way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/dustys-house-in-order
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'Choco' has Dustin Martin's house in order
By Greg Buckle
AAP
Friday, August 2, 2013
SOME simple guidelines from Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams have helped young star Dustin Martin put his house in order.
Martin is averaging 24.5 possessions per game in 2013 and the Tigers are working hard to sign the out-of-contract 22-year-old to a new deal.
The powerful midfielder gained prominence as a second-year player in 2011, earning a third-placed finish in Richmond's best-and-fairest award.
However in 2012 Martin was equal 10th in the award after a season in which he was suspended by the Tigers for two matches for missing a compulsory training session.
"Dusty knew himself that he had a little bit of growing up to do," Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told Channel Nine's The Footy Show on Thursday night.
"He's put so many things in place now that keep him in check.
"He's been fantastic. He's got a program.
"He sits down with 'Choc' (Williams).
"On his day off it might be four different things that he needs to tick off.
"It might be paying his phone bill and so forth. But he's learnt that having structure in his life is a real good guidance to living the right way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/dustys-house-in-order
Where were his parents when guidance was needed????? Good on you Choco.........
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'Choco' has Dustin Martin's house in order
By Greg Buckle
AAP
Friday, August 2, 2013
SOME simple guidelines from Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams have helped young star Dustin Martin put his house in order.
Martin is averaging 24.5 possessions per game in 2013 and the Tigers are working hard to sign the out-of-contract 22-year-old to a new deal.
The powerful midfielder gained prominence as a second-year player in 2011, earning a third-placed finish in Richmond's best-and-fairest award.
However in 2012 Martin was equal 10th in the award after a season in which he was suspended by the Tigers for two matches for missing a compulsory training session.
"Dusty knew himself that he had a little bit of growing up to do," Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told Channel Nine's The Footy Show on Thursday night.
"He's put so many things in place now that keep him in check.
"He's been fantastic. He's got a program.
"He sits down with 'Choc' (Williams).
"On his day off it might be four different things that he needs to tick off.
"It might be paying his phone bill and so forth. But he's learnt that having structure in his life is a real good guidance to living the right way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/dustys-house-in-order
Where were his parents when guidance was needed????? Good on you Choco.........
His what, ~22? Shouldn't need his parents, scratch that, anyone to baby sit him/
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'Choco' has Dustin Martin's house in order
By Greg Buckle
AAP
Friday, August 2, 2013
SOME simple guidelines from Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams have helped young star Dustin Martin put his house in order.
Martin is averaging 24.5 possessions per game in 2013 and the Tigers are working hard to sign the out-of-contract 22-year-old to a new deal.
The powerful midfielder gained prominence as a second-year player in 2011, earning a third-placed finish in Richmond's best-and-fairest award.
However in 2012 Martin was equal 10th in the award after a season in which he was suspended by the Tigers for two matches for missing a compulsory training session.
"Dusty knew himself that he had a little bit of growing up to do," Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told Channel Nine's The Footy Show on Thursday night.
"He's put so many things in place now that keep him in check.
"He's been fantastic. He's got a program.
"He sits down with 'Choc' (Williams).
"On his day off it might be four different things that he needs to tick off.
"It might be paying his phone bill and so forth. But he's learnt that having structure in his life is a real good guidance to living the right way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/dustys-house-in-order
Where were his parents when guidance was needed????? Good on you Choco.........
His what, ~22? Shouldn't need his parents, scratch that, anyone to baby sit him/
You're forgetting the shortcomings of the average Gen Y these days
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'Choco' has Dustin Martin's house in order
By Greg Buckle
AAP
Friday, August 2, 2013
SOME simple guidelines from Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams have helped young star Dustin Martin put his house in order.
Martin is averaging 24.5 possessions per game in 2013 and the Tigers are working hard to sign the out-of-contract 22-year-old to a new deal.
The powerful midfielder gained prominence as a second-year player in 2011, earning a third-placed finish in Richmond's best-and-fairest award.
However in 2012 Martin was equal 10th in the award after a season in which he was suspended by the Tigers for two matches for missing a compulsory training session.
"Dusty knew himself that he had a little bit of growing up to do," Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told Channel Nine's The Footy Show on Thursday night.
"He's put so many things in place now that keep him in check.
"He's been fantastic. He's got a program.
"He sits down with 'Choc' (Williams).
"On his day off it might be four different things that he needs to tick off.
"It might be paying his phone bill and so forth. But he's learnt that having structure in his life is a real good guidance to living the right way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/dustys-house-in-order
Troy Taylor is still waiting for his house
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'Choco' has Dustin Martin's house in order
By Greg Buckle
AAP
Friday, August 2, 2013
SOME simple guidelines from Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams have helped young star Dustin Martin put his house in order.
Martin is averaging 24.5 possessions per game in 2013 and the Tigers are working hard to sign the out-of-contract 22-year-old to a new deal.
The powerful midfielder gained prominence as a second-year player in 2011, earning a third-placed finish in Richmond's best-and-fairest award.
However in 2012 Martin was equal 10th in the award after a season in which he was suspended by the Tigers for two matches for missing a compulsory training session.
"Dusty knew himself that he had a little bit of growing up to do," Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told Channel Nine's The Footy Show on Thursday night.
"He's put so many things in place now that keep him in check.
"He's been fantastic. He's got a program.
"He sits down with 'Choc' (Williams).
"On his day off it might be four different things that he needs to tick off.
"It might be paying his phone bill and so forth. But he's learnt that having structure in his life is a real good guidance to living the right way."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-02/dustys-house-in-order
Troy Taylor is still waiting for his house
:lol
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Don't mind tatts as long as its not full body, then it just looks a mess.
Sort of puzzled how he got a hand one and plays footy at the same time, don't they take a bit longer to heal over?
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And give him troys house
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Sort of puzzled how he got a hand one and plays footy at the same time, don't they take a bit longer to heal over?
Thin skin and less fleshy areas tend to heal a little quicker. Looks like mostly shading too which from experience heals a bit faster too. As long as he isn't conscious of damaging it playing footy then there shouldn't be an issue :thumbsup
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I got one at half time once so he should be right
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You're forgetting the shortcomings of the average Gen Y these days
True and we Baby Boomers thought Gen X were shockers.
Gen Y? :banghead :help
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You're forgetting the shortcomings of the average Gen Y these days
True and we Baby Boomers thought Gen X were shockers.
Gen Y? :banghead :help
Wouldnt think Gen X were shockers, at least they (generally) had a work ethic irrespective of opportunities...
Gen Y has a disconnect between work and reward.
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You're forgetting the shortcomings of the average Gen Y these days
True and we Baby Boomers thought Gen X were shockers.
Gen Y? :banghead :help
Wouldnt think Gen X were shockers, at least they (generally) had a work ethic irrespective of opportunities...
Gen Y has a disconnect between work and reward.
the little socialist greenie bludgers
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Gen Y represent.
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when I was a kid blokes with tatts were to be feared,we youngees thought they just got out of Pentridge.
Now its art....sheesh I feel like my time was during the Jurassic age
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haha true that
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when I was a kid blokes with tatts were to be feared,we youngees thought they just got out of Pentridge.
Now its art....sheesh I feel like my time was during the Jurassic age
Times appear to have certainly changed. I've got quite a few mates who are tattooists. They're really amazing artists and unless they were tattooists they wouldn't be able to make a coin selling their art anywhere else and would be stacking shelves or something. Tattoos seem to more an expression of something you're into these days, rather than showing you've done some time or ride in a bike gang. Some people buy t-shirts, get fridge magnets, stick patches on denim jackets, or whatever to show something they're into or express themselves. Now we can get a permanent sticker on ourselves to wear around that says something about who we are and what we're into ;D
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when I was a kid blokes with tatts were to be feared,we youngees thought they just got out of Pentridge.
Now its art....sheesh I feel like my time was during the Jurassic age
Times appear to have certainly changed. I've got quite a few mates who are tattooists. They're really amazing artists and unless they were tattooists they wouldn't be able to make a coin selling their art anywhere else and would be stacking shelves or something. Tattoos seem to more an expression of something you're into these days, rather than showing you've done some time or ride in a bike gang. Some people buy t-shirts, get fridge magnets, stick patches on denim jackets, or whatever to show something they're into or express themselves. Now we can get a permanent sticker on ourselves to wear around that says something about who we are and what we're into ;D
And they look a hell of a lot cooler than some badge on your denim jacket
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when I was a kid blokes with tatts were to be feared,we youngees thought they just got out of Pentridge.
Now its art....sheesh I feel like my time was during the Jurassic age
haha true that
Botchithes
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I bet my left nut that when he finishes playing footy where he will have no one to hold his hand he will end up in a sad and sorry place
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i doubt he would move in with you.
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when I was a kid blokes with tatts were to be feared,we youngees thought they just got out of Pentridge.
Now its art....sheesh I feel like my time was during the Jurassic age
haha true that
Botchithes
:lol Havent heard that one for yrs
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I think Dusty's hand is still numb from his new tatt, haven't seen him so fumbly.
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I think Dusty's hand is still numb from his new tatt, haven't seen him so fumbly.
Two weeks ago against Fremantle. ;)
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showing a lot of ink today plus patheticness if thats a word
he and Foley are killing us along with the umpires
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trade him now while he has currency
we could get 3 players for him
time to make the hard call for the club to move upwards
the more ink he gets the worse he plays
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he just read my post and said stuff u lol
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:lol
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Yeah nah.
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Rach @Rach_Ritt
"So according to the rumours, today's the day that they're announcing Dusty's contract renewal. Lets see if everyone's "reliable sources" are"
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Fingers crossed but doubt it
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Rach @Rach_Ritt
"So according to the rumours, today's the day that they're announcing Dusty's contract renewal. Lets see if everyone's "reliable sources" are"
Or mail ;D
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How good would it be tonight if Hird is SACKED and Martin announces his new 3 year deal ;)
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How good would it be tonight if Hird is SACKED and Martin announces his new 3 year deal ;)
Would be great but don't think it will happen ;D
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Not worried about essendon, hanging on dusty though!
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Dusty re-signed when we got him out of troub......um...nothing ;D
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How good would it be tonight if Hird is SACKED and Martin announces his new 3 year deal ;)
Salivating at the thought
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How good would it be tonight if Hird is SACKED and Martin announces his new 3 year deal ;)
Martin to coach Essendon?
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How good would it be tonight if Hird is SACKED and Martin announces his new 3 year deal ;)
Would be great but don't think it will happen ;D
I'll take the Hird sacking though. :lol :rollin :lol
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Did anyone catch what Barrett had to say about Martin on TFS?
I only caught the tail end of it.
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Did anyone catch what Barrett had to say about Martin on TFS?
I only caught the tail end of it.
Was only half paying attention. Something about he needs to understand he is already on an inflated salary, and rival offers aren't much more than what we're offering or something. On 500k and wanted 650. Has pulled back to 600 but we're only offering 510-525. Barrett reckons he will stay.
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Barrett on the Footy Show tonight:
* Dusty is currently on $500k p.a. thanks to signing around the time GWS were wanting to poach players.
* Dusty has reduced his initial request of $650k down to $600k.
* The club is offering $510k-520k and that is the going rate in the market. There are no higher offers.
* Barrett reckons Dusty will stay but Dusty's got to get his head around he's not going to get much more than he is on now.
Edit: beat me to it dwaino :cheers.
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Did anyone catch what Barrett had to say about Martin on TFS?
I only caught the tail end of it.
Normally don't watch it but it was on
Barrett said dusty is currently on $500k a season and had asked for $650k but they had dropped that back to $600k in recent weeks. Club is offering around $520k. Also said it has away to play out
And what dwaino said ;D
And now Mr OE ;D
I couldn't help but have a laugh ;D ;) funny stuff
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Barrett made all that up
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Barrett made all that up
Really?
You reckon?
;D
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70-80k diff is sweet FA at that level... :shh
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70-80k diff is sweet FA at that level... :shh
But BJ you said it wasn't about the $$$ it was now about the length of deal,
Are you now saying its about the $$$$
Because it seems its back to being about the $$$
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Sam Mitchell is on 350, dusty is getting what we cn afford and market value, wanna play in a premiership with the greatest club? Just do it!
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Did anyone hear some bad ass yell "CRAWFY" in street talk ;D
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Barrett made all that up
Really?
You reckon?
;D
I thought Barrett did well to come up with the rumour of Betts to either Kangas or Adelaide that I read on BF 3 months ago. :lol
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Sam Mitchell is on 350, dusty is getting what we cn afford and market value, wanna play in a premiership with the greatest club? Just do it!
Sounds like an AFL show. AFL350 footy from all angles except the goal line. :shh
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Barrett made all that up
Really?
You reckon?
;D
I thought Barrett did well to come up with the rumour of Betts to either Kangas or Adelaide that I read on BF 3 months ago. :lol
Was even funnier that Brayshaw was taking notes cod the poco prim can't afford a rape recorder to go back over the footage.
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Thought the funniest thing was when Barrett said Dusty "needs to get his head around..."
I think that should've been Ralph Carr needs to get his head around what Dusty's worth ;D
But as I said funny stuff on so many levels ;D
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70-80k diff is sweet FA at that level... :shh
But BJ you said it wasn't about the $$$ it was now about the length of deal,
Are you now saying its about the $$$$
Because it seems its back to being about the $$$
Still is my mail, 70k a years nothing , heck i once knocked back a job in PNG that would have doubled my salary :shh
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I like what Stevie J said, there would have been no one at Geelong on that money, I hope Dusty or his management understand that, I am sure he does!!
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70-80k diff is sweet FA at that level... :shh
But BJ you said it wasn't about the $$$ it was now about the length of deal,
Are you now saying its about the $$$$
Because it seems its back to being about the $$$
Still is my mail, 70k a years nothing , heck i once knocked back a job in PNG that would have doubled my salary :shh
So just to make sure I am not misunderstanding what you are posting.
You are saying that your "mail" is that it's not about the money at all but it's all about the length of deal?
If this is what you are saying, I have to say as respectively as possible, that is incorrect.
Have said before Ralph Carr is his manager and with him it is first & foremost about the $$$.
I also have just broken my own embargo on this topic - sorry
Think it's best I go back to no more direct comments from me before I cop any whacks ;D :rollin
I like what Stevie J said, there would have been no one at Geelong on that money, I hope Dusty or his management understand that, I am sure he does!!
I think Stevie J hasn't got a clue ;D No one on Geelong is on that sort of money? No one, pretty sure when Selwood signed his last contract it was reported it was over $650+ a season so that sort of shoots down Stevie J ;D
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70-80k diff is sweet FA at that level... :shh
But BJ you said it wasn't about the $$$ it was now about the length of deal,
Are you now saying its about the $$$$
Because it seems its back to being about the $$$
Still is my mail, 70k a years nothing , heck i once knocked back a job in PNG that would have doubled my salary :shh
So just to make sure I am not misunderstanding what you are posting.
You are saying that your "mail" is that it's not about the money at all but it's all about the length of deal?
If this is what you are saying, I have to say as respectively as possible, that is incorrect.
Have said before Ralph Carr is his manager and with him it is first & foremost about the $$$.
I also have just broken my own embargo on this topic - sorry
Think it's best I go back to no more direct comments from me before I cop any whacks ;D :rollin
I like what Stevie J said, there would have been no one at Geelong on that money, I hope Dusty or his management understand that, I am sure he does!!
I think Stevie J hasn't got a clue ;D No one on Geelong is on that sort of money? No one, pretty sure when Selwood signed his last contract it was reported it was over $650+ a season so that sort of shoots down Stevie J ;D
pretty sure he said in the early premiership days(late 2000's) not at the present moment. He said himself Selwood and taylor are on that now.
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he resigned 3 years?
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I think that should've been Ralph Carr needs to get his head around what Dusty's worth ;D
How do you know it's Ralph Carr. Please provide a source or it's an unsubstantiated rumour
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I think that should've been Ralph Carr needs to get his head around what Dusty's worth ;D
How do you know it's Ralph Carr. Please provide a source or it's an unsubstantiated rumour
:lol :lol :lol
How do you know it's not ;)
BTW my source is always the same = Chutney :thumbsup
;D ;D
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How is he a more important player to us then say Alex Rance who is on a lot less than him already? I love him but we don't need players thinking they are above the team and may do us more harm than good in terms of salary cap.
If he doesn't want to come down to 500k I think we should trade him to GWS for Adams and someone else like Haynes or Treloar (big ask). Possibly throw their second round pick in the mix if not for a second payer - again just lateral thinking.
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I think that should've been Ralph Carr needs to get his head around what Dusty's worth ;D
How do you know it's Ralph Carr. Please provide a source or it's an unsubstantiated rumour
:lol :lol :lol
How do you know it's not ;)
BTW my source is always the same = Chutney :thumbsup
;D ;D
Never said it wasn't so I don't need a source ;)
Indian food?
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Never said it wasn't so I don't need a source ;)
Indian food?
No, traditional Aussie Tomato Chutney
On that note I am done so to is Chutney
No more comments from me
Embargo recommemced on 9/8/2013 at 3.21pm
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Never said it wasn't so I don't need a source ;)
Indian food?
No, traditional Aussie Tomato Chutney
On that note I am done so to is Chutney
No more comments from me
Embargo recommemced on 9/8/2013 at 3.21pm
Ban yourself for posting unsubstantiated rumours? ;D
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not much emotion singing the song at the end :-\
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Tigers keen to sign Dusty deal
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
2:00pm AEST Saturday, August 10, 2013
RICHMOND has conceded Dustin Martin's contract negotiations are taking longer than the club would like but remains confident Martin will stay a Tiger.
The Tigers have offered the 22-year-old what they believe is a fair contract for him to stay at the club beyond this season.
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale said he didn't believe there were any issues when it came to negotiations and believed Martin would follow spearhead Jack Riewoldt and recommit.
"It's probably taken a little longer than we would have liked but we're pretty confident there's some details [we can] work through," Gale told 3AW on Saturday.
"I think Dustin doesn't want to go anywhere, wants to be at our club, he's an important part of our future, we love Dusty, he's a kid who's really matured and evolved the past couple of years.
"We're pretty confident that will be done in due course."
Richmond football manager Dan Richardson said there had to be a balance between paying players what they're worth and ensuring there was enough to go around and contribute towards keeping a successful group together.
The Tigers are poised to play finals this season for the first time since 2001.
He said while he wasn't sure when the Martin deal would be finalised, he was confident it would be.
“We’re still working through it, we're really confident Dustin is happy and he'll stay at Richmond," Richardson told AFL LIVE on Saturday.
"Sometimes these things just take a bit of time for both parties, but I think common sense will prevail.
"I think Dustin should stay at Richmond, we certainly hope that he will and look, we've offered him what we think is a very fair contract and we hope that gets a result soon, but I can't give you a timeline on it."
Martin will play his 82nd AFL game on Saturday against the Brisbane Lions after making his debut in round one of 2010.
In the past four weeks, he's averaged 29 disposals a game.
Martin has been said to have been influenced by off-field distractions in his short career but is believed to have settled somewhat this season under the guidance of development coach Mark Williams.
Daniel Jackson and Dylan Grimes are the latest Tigers to recommit with Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin, Alex Rance, Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin, Chris Newman and Jake King others to sign on this year.
Reece Conca remains out of contract.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-10/dusty-deal-hold-up
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not much emotion singing the song at the end :-\
From many of them Ramps, even the captain was making stupid faces while he was singing it
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not much emotion singing the song at the end :-\
From my of them Ramps, even the captain was making stupid faces while he was singing it
The wife saw that and said "Who is the baby faced one making stupid faces?"
:lol
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You should educate your wife and teach her some manners bro
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You should educate your wife and teach her some manners bro
Pay that :lol
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This is peeing me off!
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not much emotion singing the song at the end :-\
From many of them Ramps, even the captain was making stupid faces while he was singing it
they should not have sung the song fullstop
it was a win yes we take it yes
but after the second half they should be ashamed of themselves and not sing it
even though we won it felt like a loss
once again dimma had no plan b or c
once again we failed to bury a side when we had them at our mercy
not good enough
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Once again we have banked four points and once again we will play in our third finals series in 30 years.
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Dusty and his contract about to get mention on Footy Classified ;D
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Hutchy said Barrett has said offer is currently around $510k a season. Lyon said Dusty should take the $510k, good deal he reckons
Caro said he is on $450k, said Carr has told the Martin camp (mainly dusty's dad) he can get $550-$650k. Despite this Caro is adamant depsite what he told the Martin camp Ralph Carr unlikely to get him that sort of deal, that sort of money is not out there for Dusty. She also said she believes Dusty doesn't want to leave
Hutchy said his current deal was overs thanks to Ricky Nixon
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Coming up after the ad break.
Ch 7 - "Why Dustin Martin could turn his back on the Tigers"
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Who to believe ;D
Ch7 suggesting Dusty may turn his back on the Tigers because 3 rival clubs circling.
Mark Stevens says Tigers have increased their offer, tabled it as a final offer and Dusty's management rejected it. 2yr deal BTW
Didnt name the other clubs
And who said it isn't about the money ;D
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7:
Called Dimma's comment today about Dusty's re-signing not being too far away as "positive spin".
Richmond and Martin are a long way apart from agreeing to a new two year deal.
Club found a small increase to the last offer but it was rejected.
3 rival clubs circling.
Edit: beat me to it WP :cheers
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Dusty can go then if that's the attitude. He can go to gws for pick 1
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Dusty can go then if that's the attitude. He can go to gws for pick 1
That's if Mark Stevens is right or just peddling typical media 2+2=5 guesswork :whistle.
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Who are the clubs?
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IMHO we can't afford to sign both Martin and concs. Happens all the time at the top club, Mumford, Maloney, prisnall , Kennedy mcglyn , just a couple that come to mind.
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:lol
Earth to BJ. Earth to BJ
We about to play in our first finals series in 12 years.
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Dusty can go then if that's the attitude. He can go to gws for pick 1
Said it before will say it again
Dusty wants to stay.
His manager is the issue here promised something he cannot deliver. Like most young players he believes his manager will come through.
Still believe he will stay
IMHO we can't afford to sign both Martin and concs. Happens all the time at the top club, Mumford, Maloney, prisnall , Kennedy mcglyn , just a couple that come to mind.
Rubbish IMHO ;D
Who are the clubs?
Already answered the report didnt say
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Just another story, our turn will be hawks again in a couple of weeks
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:lol
Earth to BJ. Earth to BJ
We about to play in our first finals series in 12 years.
Exactly, if they had if made finals as many times as the swans in the last 15 years I'd be down there after work cleaning their boots ;) :clapping
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Isn't going anywhere and when he signs on I'm not going to be surprised. Just a matter of when not if.
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Journos or umpires - I think umps actually believe their right for what hats worth, scumbags what a poo occupation
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Gay
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sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
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Mark Stevens added on the Ch 7 coverage tonight that the Club's raised offer (and final offer) was put Dusty and his manager on Wednesday and was rejected.
Dustin Martin turns down Tigers' latest offer: reports
By Nathan Schmook and Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
9:30pm AEST Friday, August 16, 2013
RICHMOND'S push to re-sign midfielder Dustin Martin has hit a roadblock with reports the young star has rejected the Tigers' latest offer.
Martin, who is out of contract at the end of this season, is demanding a fair deal for 2014 and beyond, otherwise he will look at his options, according to The Age.
It is understood Martin's preference is to remain with the Tigers, and the club is confident he will agree to terms.
Earlier on Friday, coach Damien Hardwick said negotiations with the exciting youngster were tracking well.
"Dustin is obviously a fantastic player, an important player in his fourth year," Hardwick said on Friday.
"[He] just seems to get better every year so we think that deal will get done in the not too distant future."
The 22-year-old has returned to top form this year after a quiet 2012 and is one of the game's most dynamic goal-kicking midfielders.
He has kicked 88 goals in 82 games, earned 23 Brownlow votes since his debut in 2010 and finished third in the 2011 club best and fairest.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-16/no-signature-yet-from-martin
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sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
What he said :clapping
Minus the "sell him off" rubbish.
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sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
Ralph Carr is the prick.
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sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
Ralph Carr is the prick.
Correct.
Spic rat.
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sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
Ralph Carr is the prick.
Correct
Carr is the major problem here.
sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
What he said :clapping
Minus the "sell him off" rubbish.
Making alot of assumptions ;)
Lets see how it plays out
Should I throw in a :shh at this point ;D
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Carr will screw Martin eventually...like he screws most
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(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/07/05/1226417/714999-dustin-martin.jpg)
Never trust a short Italian manager who wears a hair piece
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Nice Coke bloat, ralph
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who the stuff introduced Dustin to Carr?
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sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
Ralph Carr is the prick.
Correct
Carr is the major problem here.
sell him off
he wants to play hard ball and screw the club after we already gave him overs in his last contract
selfish prick
What he said :clapping
Minus the "sell him off" rubbish.
Making alot of assumptions ;)
Lets see how it plays out
Should I throw in a :shh at this point ;D
You forgot to mention that you have mail
I choose not to have an opinion on Dusty after the whole Reiwoldt thing. Newspapers can publish whatever rubbish they want if they chuck in a "with reports" or "it's understood" without acknowledging where this info is coming from. Nuffers believe it straight away and they can't be held accountable if it's wrong
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The manager is the one driving the bus here unfortunately.
Wonder what old man Martin had to say today whilst down at the club.
Lets hope sensible heads prevail, not only for us but for the Dusty.
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Well seems I have knowledge that Ralph's entire article yesterday was full of poo and crayons I'm going to assume this is rubbish too. ;D
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Dustin Martin turns down Richmond's latest offer
Jon Pierik
The Age
August 16, 2013 - 11:24PM
Dustin Martin has rejected Richmond's most recent contract offer, demanding a "fair" deal be done otherwise he will consider his options.
It's understood that the Martin camp and the Tigers have a difference of opinion in terms of where the emerging midfielder sits in the pecking order of playing talent at the club, and the flow-on impact of what this has on him financially.
Martin is estimated to be on $450,000 this season, and is understood to be keen to push this to between $600,000 and $650,000. It's believed the Tigers have looked to the middle ground, offering about $500,000. The length of any deal is not in question.
On the eve of the club's first finals appearance in 12 years, Martin's preference is still to remain a Tiger. But after he rejected the Tigers' latest offer on Wednesday, those close to the goalkicking onballer insist it must be a ''fair'' deal and there are up to four clubs interested in trading for the 22-year-old.
Richmond's general manager of football, Dan Richardson, formerly one of the most astute player agents, said discussions were on-going. "We are still in discussions. We are confident he will be there next year," he said on Friday.
Earlier, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said he believed a deal was "pretty close" with Martin.
"Dustin is obviously a fantastic player, an important player in his fourth year," Hardwick said. "[He] just seems to get better every year so we think that deal will get done in the not too distant future."
Martin's manager Ralph Carr, a former Carlton director who played hardball in contract negotiations between Travis Cloke and Collingwood last season, is on holidays and was unavailable for comment.
The Tigers have little room to move as they face a salary-cap squeeze, having recently re-signed several players, including Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes, Sean Grigg and Daniel Jackson.
Emerging midfielder Reece Conca, 21, has also yet to agree to terms on a new contract. Hardwick said he also believed Conca would re-sign with the club "in the not too distant future".
Martin has enjoyed an excellent season, and close observers believe he would sit in the top five in the club's best and fairest. Despite the conjecture about his contract, he has remained focused and is happy and well liked at Punt Road.
Cotchin, Chris Newman, Brett Deledio and development coach Mark Williams have worked closely with the sometimes wayward Martin to help him deal with the disciplines expected of a professional athlete.
However, Cotchin has made it clear this year that financial sacrifice is required if the building Tigers are to enjoy sustainable success.
"Every player in the AFL would love to be paid as much as they possibly can, but the reality is there's a cap there for that reason. If you want to be part of successful clubs, then sometimes there's a little bit of sacrifice that needs to be made," he said.
"We're all about spending time together, building something and enjoying the whole ride together."
Riewoldt signed a three-year extension last month, rejecting a massive offer from Fremantle, while Cotchin, Grimes, Grigg, Rance and Jackson will remain at least until the end of 2015.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-turns-down-richmonds-latest-offer-20130816-2s21h.html#ixzz2c9RzjHpj
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the albino don king
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What are our other players on? Dusty if you want more money stop wasting it on a stupid manager
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So Ralph's on holidays and on Wednesday the deal got rejected ::)
Righteo then
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So Ralph's on holidays and on Wednesday the deal got rejected ::)
Righteo then
:lol
As I said about the Conca one it's all rubbish. From what I'm aware Dusty has a grand total of 1 offer.
From Richmond. :whistle
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Hope he's allowed to be at the home of his new clubs captain and CEO :thumbsup
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Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin fails to attract significant interest from rival clubs
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
August 17, 2013 11:59AM
DUSTIN Martin's delayed contract negotiations has failed to drum up significant interest from rival clubs, with the Tiger still expected to re-sign at Richmond.
Martin, 22, continues to be shopped around to rival clubs following another setback in contract talks between his manager Ralph Carr and Richmond.
There were reports last night Martin’s management had rejected the Tigers’ latest offer and was fishing for a contract worth upwards of $600,000 a year.
There was speculation St Kilda, North Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney were interested in the out-of-contract midfielder but it is understood none have serious plans to lure Martin.
The Saints are pushing forward with a bid to nab a key backman, while the Giants are in the market for key position talent.
One recruiting chief last night said he would be staggered if Martin left a resurgent Richmond on the eve of its first finals appearance since 2001.
The Tigers have made considerable efforts to help the 82-gamer with some lifestyle issues and have welcomed his excellent form under the specialist tutelage of Mark Williams this year.
The goalkicking ball-winner is headed for a top-10 finish in Richmond’s best and fairest award.
His worth was last night put at about $450,000 - $500,000 a year, approaching his fifth AFL campaign next season.
While the Tigers have tabled an improved offer compared to their early-season talks, the club is adamant it won’t compromise its list strategy for one player.
“We are still in discussions. We are confident he will be there next year," Richmond general manager of football Dan Richardson said on Friday.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-midfielder-dustin-martin-fails-to-attract-significant-interest-from-rival-clubs/story-fndv8t7m-1226698910288
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After today drop it to 400K tops.
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was nowhere when we needed him 600k plus my arse. 450k is absolute tops. probably 400 is where it should sit. sign now or stuff off dusty.
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Bugger off duddy martian.
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Has ink poisoning, wtfu bro
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Was our second 'worst' player today, just in front of Grimes.
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Grimes should never have been selected
Martin was a joke today as was Foley and Cotchin should have stayed home
one thing is for sure we missed king. Edwards and white
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Grimes should never have been selected
Martin was a joke today as was Foley and Cotchin should have stayed home
one thing is for sure we missed king. Edwards and white
Spot on.
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King and Whitey will always give 100%.
Grimes needs polish. Gotta get more game time into him before finals, badly.
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King and Whitey will always give 100%.
Grimes needs polish. Gotta get more game time into him before finals, badly.
Yep, keep playing Grimes. Can't make top 4. Come finals decide who the best 3 defenders are.
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Sign the stuffing contract Dusty and take all that pressure and distraction out of your life. It ain't worth the angst and karma is watching closely. Travis Cloke (another R. Carr prodigy) says hello.
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:lol big duzzy was probably depressed at lack of offers.
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Sign the stuffing contract Dusty and take all that pressure and distraction out of your life. It ain't worth the angst and karma is watching closely. Travis Cloke (another R. Carr prodigy) says hello.
X2
Would love him to sign in the next two weeks, Dusty has always said he loves playing with his mates, get in his ear boys, c'mon Cotchy's!!!!!!
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Sign the stuffing contract Dusty and take all that pressure and distraction out of your life. It ain't worth the angst and karma is watching closely. Travis Cloke (another R. Carr prodigy) says hello.
Agree :clapping
though up until today while the contract stuff has being going on his form has been terrific
Can I also say it is funny that over the last few weeks when he's been in the best 3 alot of folk have been saying give him what he wants. Has a shocker today and people now say he isn't worth what they were saying the RFC should be giving him
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I don't mind up to $550 IMO.
600+ on today's performance though wtf you been smoking this week kiddo?
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About as over this as the essendon poo, you're a tiger or you're not otherwise get stuffed!!!!
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Sign the stuffing contract Dusty and take all that pressure and distraction out of your life. It ain't worth the angst and karma is watching closely. Travis Cloke (another R. Carr prodigy) says hello.
Agree :clapping
though up until today while the contract stuff has being going on his form has been terrific
Can I also say it is funny that over the last few weeks when he's been in the best 3 alot of folk have been saying give him what he wants. Has a shocker today and people now say he isn't worth what they were saying the RFC should be giving him
who said that?
I cant remember anyone saying that.
I remember some saying we cant lose him but give him what he wants which i presume is close to 600k. No chance pal.
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who said that?
I cant remember anyone saying that.
I remember some saying we cant lose him but give him what he wants which i presume is close to 600k. No chance pal.
Well you for one said:
Gone. ;)
heard the same thing and sadly we wont be compensated as we should.
Doubt that Ramps
If we let him go for 100k or thereabouts then the RFC can get stuffed
Then there was this:
stuff me , 100 k after tax is nothing, when your earring 500+... My mail is he s posturing on whether to sign for 4 or 5 :shh
And
pay him whatever he wants
Or
Make deledio take a paycut so we can give him what he deserves.
Stays at it all day unlike lids.
He is our future Judd
Plus:
stuff he was good today as he has been all year, if i was RFC id be reconsidering his value next to cotch, IMHO its stuff all difference :shh
Want me to find some more ;D
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i said if we let him go for 100k i would be spewing. Thats different to paying him what he wants
apology accepted
cheers :thumbsup
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Would hate to see him go, but gee he needs to pull his finger out on a regular basis.
There's been a few occasions this year when someone needs to stand up and take the game by the scruff. most went missing today.
Because of the tough nut category that we all put him in, and he would probably raise his hand and say he's in this category too, too many times he's gone missing, has had a stinker, or has under-performed.
Personally i think he's worth throwing money at, but after a below par game today it just shows how important it is to be consistent in order to keep your value.
I hate losing to the blue scum, but if there's any positive out of today, its that dusty hasn't got an argument from the last few games to push his case for more cash.
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His best game of the year I thought was the Sydney game but he has been serviceable and got by on reputation and in a winning side in the other without really setting the world on fire. To me the kid needs to sign this contract ASAP for his own good and the good of the footy club. If the rumour abt his manager is true then he needs to tell his manager to do his job and get him over the line at his club of choice which is us and not let his manager worry about the extra 10% his manager is trying to pocket to save his dwindling managerial career.
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Guys you a dreaming if you thing Dusty is worth 500k or 600k what he wants.No more then 400k or 450k for me.How many games does in string together in a row of high quality to demand that money not many at all.If he wants to bleed the club dry well see ya later no one is bigger then the club !!!.
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He's a good player not a great players yet - Great players at least compete and never give up.
A great player wouldn't be thrashed by an opponent that didn't play the game until a few years ago -
Id hate to see him go but Richmond cant pay overs.
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From Robbo's Tackle Column today (19/8/2013)
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Dusty's future hangs in the balance
Mark Robinson
•From: Herald Sun
•August 18, 2013 8:35PM
SPOKE TO Ralph Carr recently.
You might not know of him, but he is the manager of the second-most talked about out-of-contract footballer in the competition.
Hawthorn's Lance Franklin is No.1, of course, and Richmond's Dustin Martin is No.2.
Carr is playing hardball with the Tigers, just as he did with Collingwood over Travis Cloke, his other high-profile client.
Carr is unique. He is from the entertainment industry and while football is an emotional business, Carr is not an emotional manager.
He and the Tigers are at logger-heads.
It's safe to say, as the Magpies found out last season, Carr doesn't care if he loses friends.
His job is to attain the best possible deal for his client and his track-record is admirable.
He wasn't keen on talking about the Martin situation, so it's a bit of a guessing game.
Martin is on good money in the final year of his contract, which was negotiated by his former manager Ricky Nixon. It's about $450,000.
The Tigers new offer was for about the same money with incentives, which was understandable seeing as Martin finished 10th in the 2012 club best and fairest, although his 2013 season suggests a top-three finish is not beyond him.
Carr knows that. He believes it is ridiculous that Martin is having a season like he's having and the Tigers don't want to cough up more money than he's presently on which, it has be said, was overs from the outset.
Richmond's issue is that they believe Carr is telling interested people that several clubs have expressed interest in Martin, and one, namely Greater Western Sydney, has a multi-year offer worth about $750,000 per season.
GWS has said no offer exists, and that no offer will be forthcoming.
So, the Tigers believe Carr is inflating the price and the interest.
In the meantime, the standoff continues.
Give or take $20,000, the Tigers might go to $500,000 but Carr wants $600,000 and won't budge.
The further problem is Martin doesn't want to leave Richmond.
He's an interesting young man Dustin Martin.
He is shy, untrustworthy of the media and reliant on a good structures in his life to play good footy.
There have been issues, and the Tigers have worked with him closely to sort them out.
So much so, that the Tigers would be staggered if Martin suddenly announced he was out of there.
They have invested in Martin, and know that Martin wants to invest in them.
If only the contract can be completed.
Either Carr buckles and drops the price, or the Tigers, under new football boss Dan Richardson, buckle and Richmond's pay scale is out of whack in his first season.
The Tigers would like to have you believe that's “take it or leave it”' with Martin, but that won't be the case.
They need Martin as much as Martin needs them.
Carr, meanwhile, plays for keeps. His mantra is: This is what we want and this is what you will pay.
In the end, Martin will decide where and how much.
It will be Richmond, but the “how much” is going to drive people at Richmond bonkers for some time yet.
Don't be surprised if all talks are put off until the end of the season.
From:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-essendons-super-supplements-saga-cant-distract-from-round-22s-super-saturday/story-fni5ezdm-1226699522934
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GWS have said no offer exists because Vlad has rang Carr.
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DO NOT stuff this up Richmond!!!!!!
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if Robbo does indeed have inside info here, then the conclusion i come to is that Carr is not the right manager fro dusty.
I heard an interview with Dan Richardson earlier in the year and he bristleed at the statement that he was the man responsible for getting Goddard to Essendon. He said that he did not tell players what they should do, but give them all the info they need to make a decision that is best for them.
It sounds like this carr character just pushes for the highest dollar amount he can get, probably because he then gets a bigger cut himself.
The stupid thing is, even if that is how carr works, his long term interest is ensuring dusty's long term interest, and with dusty in particular that is more than about the value of his next contract. If dusty got a bigger contract elswhere but didnt get the direction and support he clearly needs and goes off the rails, then they both lose.
Maybe someone needs to give kim duthie Carr's phone number.
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GWS have said no offer exists because Vlad has rang Carr.
What are you on about?
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if Robbo does indeed have inside info here, then the conclusion i come to is that Carr is not the right manager fro dusty.
I heard an interview with Dan Richardson earlier in the year and he bristleed at the statement that he was the man responsible for getting Goddard to Essendon. He said that he did not tell players what they should do, but give them all the info they need to make a decision that is best for them.
It sounds like this carr character just pushes for the highest dollar amount he can get, probably because he then gets a bigger cut himself.
The stupid thing is, even if that is how carr works, his long term interest is ensuring dusty's long term interest, and with dusty in particular that is more than about the value of his next contract. If dusty got a bigger contract elswhere but didnt get the direction and support he clearly needs and goes off the rails, then they both lose.
I think Robbo's article is absolutely spot on
al your very first sentence is 100% correct as well.
Have said it before and will say it again & it will be for the final time:
Dusty wants to stay, he doesn't want to leave, the issue here is and has always been his manager.
the end ;D
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Have said it before and will say it again & it will be for the final time:
Dusty wants to stay, he doesn't want to leave, the issue here is and has always been his manager.
the end ;D
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Sorry wrong Chutney
This is the right Chutney
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:thumbsup
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feel more like trading him the longer this goes on?
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The manager is the one driving the bus here unfortunately.
Wonder what old man Martin had to say today whilst down at the club.
Lets hope sensible heads prevail, not only for us but for the Dusty.
not too sure the old man is that sensible to be honest
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feel more like trading him the longer this goes on?
Sign up or feck off
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feel more like trading him the longer this goes on?
Sign up or feck off
Yep, starting to bug me
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get used to it
AFL gonna be all gwown up swoon like NRL, NFL, NBA, EPL
don't h8 tha playa wigga
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EPL they sell you with 18month left if u don't resign
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feel more like trading him the longer this goes on?
Sign up or feck off
Yep, starting to bug me
Think he was saying Dusty should sign up or go
Not whacking you :-\
EPL they sell you with 18month left if u don't resign
yes but this isn't the EPL.
We don't sell players we trade and in our competition if you have a contract you cannot be traded unless you agree
So not a great comparison is it :-\
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Have had enough of Ralph 'it puts the lotion on its skin' Carr
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yes but this isn't the EPL.
We don't sell players we trade and in our competition if you have a contract you cannot be traded unless you agree
So not a great comparison is it :-\
Pretty sure you can't be traded without one either. :whistle
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yes but this isn't the EPL.
We don't sell players we trade and in our competition if you have a contract you cannot be traded unless you agree
So not a great comparison is it :-\
Pretty sure you can't be traded without one either. :whistle
Sorry but you've lost me?
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yes but this isn't the EPL.
We don't sell players we trade and in our competition if you have a contract you cannot be traded unless you agree
So not a great comparison is it :-\
Pretty sure you can't be traded without one either. :whistle
Sorry but you've lost me?
I worded it really badly :lol
I meant you can't be traded without a contract if you don't want to go.
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As mentioned in the FC thread, Caro said tonight that Dusty might sign a new contract this week.
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Over it.
Love kids like Vlastuin and Ellis who just tell their manager to 'accept whatever is offered, I want to stay' even though rival clubs would probably like to grab them.
Dusty should tell his manager to F off and pocket the extra money he'd save by not paying Carr his commission.
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And yes it would hurt badly to lose him, but lets not set a bad precedent by paying overs. You stay for glory or go mercenary style. Then we trade him to wherever we get the best deal, too bad if he don't like it.
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Rumour on BF that Dusty will sign this week or next and get rid of Carr. Dad hates him. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
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Rumour on BF that Dusty will sign this week or next and get rid of Carr. Dad hates him. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Caro said that he'll probably sign this week
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Rumour on BF that Dusty will sign this week or next and get rid of Carr. Dad hates him. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
Caro said that he'll probably sign this week
I'm pretty sure she read it on BF. Journalistic license :lol
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OERites are underestimating the turd factor of one Ralph Carr.
Within the music industry, his reputation among musicians is majorly a big "steer clear", due to the inconsiderate mishandling of a multitude of careers and his underhanded dealings of a plethora of trusting "victims" well being.
Take for example Vanessa Amorossi - advised to pursue a foolish, pop music genre, complete with wigs and songs of which
he insisted on having a lyrical input.
She listened and now relies on corporate engagements as her main mean of income.
So much for a lady with possibly one of the strongest voices in Australian Music.
It's all about Ralph, HIS PERCENTAGE and his existence within his own universe.
A fan with an ulterior motive, not a managers A-Hole
A socialite more intent on being photographed at the "What's Hot"
parties (which in reality aren't...but he thinks they are) than achieving the most beneficial outcome for his clients.
The sooner Martin fires this Toupee wearing charlatan, the sooner both himself and the RFC can move forward with their respective futures.
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Thems fightn words Rat
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Yesssss :clapping welcome aboard Rat, you'll fit in just nicely :shh
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OERites are underestimating the turd factor of one Ralph Carr.
Within the music industry, his reputation among musicians is majorly a big "steer clear", due to the inconsiderate mishandling of a multitude of careers and his underhanded dealings of a plethora of trusting "victims" well being.
Take for example Vanessa Amorossi - advised to pursue a foolish, pop music genre, complete with wigs and songs of which
he insisted on having a lyrical input.
She listened and now relies on corporate engagements as her main mean of income.
So much for a lady with possibly one of the strongest voices in Australian Music.
It's all about Ralph, HIS PERCENTAGE and his existence within his own universe.
A fan with an ulterior motive, not a managers A-Hole
A socialite more intent on being photographed at the "What's Hot"
parties (which in reality aren't...but he thinks they are) than achieving the most beneficial outcome for his clients.
The sooner Martin fires this Toupee wearing charlatan, the sooner both himself and the RFC can move forward with their respective futures.
Excellent post. :clapping
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The sooner Martin fires this Toupee wearing charlatan, the sooner both himself and the RFC can move forward with their respective futures.
:thumbsup
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contact --------
someone post that email address on big footy
Edited: dont care what was or is posted on bigfooty, bigfooty can cop the whacks that could come from Ralph if he throws them but OER wont be
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contact ------
someone post that email address on big footy
done :lol
See above
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Caro on 3aw tonight - "Terrible situation but I expect it to be resolved sometime this week".
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difficult negotiation...yes I can understand
But why is it terrible?..or is it just a poor choice of words by carro
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
FHO!
Jackson not so bright, after all.
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
so does that mean ralph will whack himself?
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
so does that mean ralph will whack himself?
?
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
so does that mean ralph will whack himself?
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As in off ? ?
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difficult negotiation...yes I can understand
But why is it terrible?..or is it just a poor choice of words by carro
It was her words. Based on what she said last night on Footy Classified, she seems to see it as a war between club and manager.
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
so does that mean ralph will whack himself?
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As in off ? ?
:lol
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1st deal: Ricky Nixon
2nd deal: Ralph Carr
Who is going to negotiate his 3rd deal, Harry M Miller?
Carr shouldn't get too cheeky with the No.1 pick up for grabs.
Richmond should get a 10% discount for having to deal with these leeches.
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1st deal: Ricky Nixon
2nd deal: Ralph Carr
Who is going to negotiate his 3rd deal, Harry M Miller?
Carr shouldn't get too cheeky with the No.1 pick up for grabs.
Richmond should get a 10% discount for having to deal with these leeches.
Max Marsden
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Cherie Ceberano.
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
so does that mean ralph will whack himself?
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read the reason for the removal of the email address ;)
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson.
But Luke & daniel aren't worth as much to Ralph as Dusty is - commission wise
Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
I know it is and it can stay there ;)
Whackety whack ;D
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Ralph also represents Luke McGuane and Daniel Jackson. Also it's not hard to find that e-mail, it's on his website :lol
so does that mean ralph will whack himself?
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read the reason for the removal of the email address ;)
ohhhhhh missed that one :lol
The Luke & Daniel bit was a nothing comment, just thought I'd pass it on because I just read it ;D
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Word is Dusty has agreed to terms and about to put pen to paper.
I'm hearing it's a 2 year deal for about $1.1 over those two years. That seems about right to me, given it's in between were the two parties were.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-discussions.1025216/page-29
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Please Explain: Glenn McFarlane urges Daisy Thomas and Dustin Martin to consider staying put
Glenn McFarlane
From: Herald Sun
August 22, 2013 1:18PM
DEAR Dusty (Martin) and Daisy (Thomas),
First, let us say, that in coming out of contract with Richmond and Collingwood, you are well within your rights to test the market and get the possible financial deal possible.
You are both outstanding footballers and form key planks of your teams' plans in chasing their next premiership.
So you deserve your fair whack.
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Let's start with you, Dusty. All season we’ve waited for you to sign on the bottom line, but no signature has been forthcoming. The speculation has continued to grow.
There was the early Richmond offer followed by a push to find some more dollars in the Punt Rd bottom line.
And still no deal, despite assurances from seemingly all and sundry that the negotiations were “very close” and “almost done.”
We understand you are chasing around $600,000 per season – more than $150k up on your current deal - but the Tigers are not willing to go much past the $500k mark.
And the financial wriggle room at Richmond is miniscule, with the salary cap close to the brim.
St Kilda is said to be keen to open the pursestrings on a player such as you, while North Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney have also been linked to your 22-year-old self.
But, the thing that you need to ask yourself is - haven't the Tigers done the right thing by you, at times when you have needed them the most?
Remaining a one-club player might cost you a little bit of cash now, but it might go a long way to getting the most out of his footy prospects and maybe even your future.
It's fair to suggest that Richmond has done everything in its power to maintain the stability around you.
I’m sure even you would admit that you are not the easiest player to handle and club officials and your teammates have been there for you – sometimes on a daily basis – if you need them.
That includes regular lunch and dinner appointments with teammates. And the likes of captain Trent Cotchin and development coach Mark Williams, not to mention senior coach Damien Hardwick, have been ready, willing and able to support you at all times.
For the most part, it has worked.
But if we believe at least a snippet of the scuttlebutt, it wouldn’t take much for it not to work. And shifting clubs, perhaps even shifting states, could put that at some risk.
So, hopefully for the Tigers’ sake, and for your own, you and your manager Ralph Carr come to the conclusion that the risk is not worth taking.
Besides that, Richmond is fast approaching the premiership window, and if you hang around long enough to become a member of the first Tigers’ team to win a flag in more than 30 years, you would go down as one of the immortals.
And that would lead to a financial boon for the club, and long beyond your playing career, for you.
Hopefully you can finalise a new deal to stay at Punt Rd before the finals, so that the distraction can go away.
Just ask Travis Cloke now if his 2012 contract saga affected his form.
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Anyway, thanks for listening, guys.
We really love watching you both play, but for the reasons outlined, we reckon you are better off staying than chasing the extra coin.
Yours Sincerely,
Glenn McFarlane
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/please-explain-glenn-mcfarlane-urges-daisy-thomas-and-dustin-martin-to-consider-staying-put/story-fndv8t7m-1226702085447
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Doesn't this Glenn guy know Dusty can't read? What a knob
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As mentioned in the footy show thread, according to Barrett there's been significant movement in the Dustin Martin contract talks over the past week. A deal could be done before the finals.
Gee I wonder who took a keener interest in the contract talks over the past week :whistle ;D.
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This is good, get it done, 3 years would be nice but I think it maybe 2 now.
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Would have preferred five years tbh but maybe its best to keep him on short ones so he says on his toes...
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Should be enough for a flag and hooked
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Hearing it will be announced next week.
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Big Duzz :clapping
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inb4WPtellsusheandhisfriendchuckwasrightagain.
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Will be so happy
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inb4WPtellsusheandhisfriendchuckwasrightagain.
Chutney daniel the name is Chutney not Chuck
And I have comment to make on Dusty's contact, said I wouldn't and I won't ;D
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-to-stay-with-tigers-20130823-2she5.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-to-stay-with-tigers-20130823-2she5.html)
Richmond star Dustin Martin will sign a two-year deal with the Tigers worth close to $1 million.
It is understood anxiety over the protracted talks recently prompted the intervention of Martin's father, Shane, who has spoken with club officials about the importance of reaching a deal before the finals.
While Richmond had remained confident it would retain its explosive young forward-midfielder, negotiations stalled with the player's manager suggesting he was fielding offers from as many as four other clubs.
Club and player in recent months were reportedly separated by more than $100,000, with Martin's manager Ralph Carr demanding about $600,000 a season for his player.
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But Richmond, determined not to repeat history by overpaying its players, coupled with the inevitable demands of an improving team and a salary cap squeeze, resisted.
Fairfax Media reported last week that the Martin camp had rejected an offer by Richmond, a report that was suggested to have proved something of a distraction to the player whose solid form this season has him in the top five of the club's best and fairest.
Martin's preference, according to his father, was also to remain at Richmond.
The deal is expected to be resolved next week and definitely before the finals.
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Big Duzzy my King :wub :clapping :clapping :clapping :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-to-stay-with-tigers-20130823-2she5.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-to-stay-with-tigers-20130823-2she5.html)
Richmond star Dustin Martin will sign a two-year deal with the Tigers worth close to $1 million.
It is understood anxiety over the protracted talks recently prompted the intervention of Martin's father, Shane, who has spoken with club officials about the importance of reaching a deal before the finals.
While Richmond had remained confident it would retain its explosive young forward-midfielder, negotiations stalled with the player's manager suggesting he was fielding offers from as many as four other clubs.
Club and player in recent months were reportedly separated by more than $100,000, with Martin's manager Ralph Carr demanding about $600,000 a season for his player.
But Richmond, determined not to repeat history by overpaying its players, coupled with the inevitable demands of an improving team and a salary cap squeeze, resisted.
Fairfax Media reported last week that the Martin camp had rejected an offer by Richmond, a report that was suggested to have proved something of a distraction to the player whose solid form this season has him in the top five of the club's best and fairest.
Martin's preference, according to his father, was also to remain at Richmond.
The deal is expected to be resolved next week and definitely before the finals.
:highclap :pray
If this is true then the Club didn't cave into Carr's demands :clapping.
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Great news although I will wait until its official before all the :clapping, :birthday, :cheers, :thumbsup
Until then, :shh
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Good to hear, will be very happy once the ink has dried!!
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
C'mon WP, that's not fair mate.. ;D
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didn't someone question how sensible his old man was?
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Can we employ Shane Martin as Richmond Contract Negotiator???
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Hearing it will be announced next week.
Seems my source "dolmades" could be spot on. Who needs good ol chutney when Dolmades is around. ;D
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
C'mon WP, that's not fair mate.. ;D
Sorry embargo stands ;D
Gave my word no more comments from me and keeping to that
Hearing it will be announced next week.
Seems my source "dolmades" could be spot on. Who needs good ol chutney when Dolmades is around. ;D
Depends on how much you spice in your sauce you want ;D
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
C'mon WP, that's not fair mate.. ;D
Sorry embargo stands ;D
Gave my word no more comments from me and keeping to that
Hearing it will be announced next week.
Seems my source "dolmades" could be spot on. Who needs good ol chutney when Dolmades is around. ;D
Depends on how much you spice in your sauce you want ;D
Well so long as he signs that's the main thing.
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1 Dusty
2 Conca
then these:
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Dea, Derickx, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, I.Maric, McGuane, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Tuck, White
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Bents you want to offer derickx a new contract?
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I would yes. Unless we bring in a couple new ruckman, at least one mature. Our ruck stocks are not good. That said the kids should be the priority.
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some track watchers are telling me derikx should be getting the game time big O, apparently he is it as the best performing ruckman in vfl this year often more than 50 hitouts a game, just sayin how it is :shh
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
C'mon WP, that's not fair mate.. ;D
Sorry embargo stands ;D
Gave my word no more comments from me and keeping to that
Hearing it will be announced next week.
Seems my source "dolmades" could be spot on. Who needs good ol chutney when Dolmades is around. ;D
Depends on how much you spice in your sauce you want ;D
My mail usually has Dolmathes as spot on but when Avgolemono chimes in with his news it more than confirms what we already suspect. ;D
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
C'mon WP, that's not fair mate.. ;D
Sorry embargo stands ;D
Gave my word no more comments from me and keeping to that
Hearing it will be announced next week.
Seems my source "dolmades" could be spot on. Who needs good ol chutney when Dolmades is around. ;D
Depends on how much you spice in your sauce you want ;D
My mail usually has Dolmathes as spot on but when Avgolemono chimes in with his news it more than confirms what we already suspect. ;D
Just need the 3rd amigo pasticchio to confirm and you can take it to the bank
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Onya big Shane ;) ;D
C'mon WP, that's not fair mate.. ;D
Sorry embargo stands ;D
Gave my word no more comments from me and keeping to that
Hearing it will be announced next week.
Seems my source "dolmades" could be spot on. Who needs good ol chutney when Dolmades is around. ;D
Depends on how much you spice in your sauce you want ;D
My mail usually has Dolmathes as spot on but when Avgolemono chimes in with his news it more than confirms what we already suspect. ;D
Just need the 3rd amigo pasticchio to confirm and you can take it to the bank
Paticchio I thought it was moussaka with boliki melitzana. ;)
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AND IF our sources are incorrect we can blame it on that malaka "Mayiritza" stuffing shocking individual. Gives me the runs every single time I think about it.
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Yes fasolatha is in the same category as mayiritsa.
One and the same if you ask me Ramps. ;D
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Ch 7 news tonight backed up Caro's article about Dusty to re-sign during the upcoming week :thumbsup.
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Weak
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Based on today compared to last week, I reckon Dusty has signed. 21 posies and it's only half-time.
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So much to say but I won't :rollin
Weak
Nope, just keeping my word as promised ;D
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
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10 times better than that imbecile DELEDIO !!!!!
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10 times better than that imbecile DELEDIO !!!!!
Better ;) ;D
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:rollin
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
Bump
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
Bump
Been though this many times; source = Chutney
What you actually want is for me to post word for word what I know. Out of respect to people who I speak to and have great respect for and are great friends I have never done that and won't do that. I post what I can
So in light of that it's better for me going forward to say/post nothing on things like this
Embargo stays
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AA
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
Bump
Been though many times this source = Chutney
What you actually want is for me to post word for word what I know. Out of respect to people who I speak to and have great respect for and are great friends I have never done that and won't do that. I post what I can
So in light of that it's better for me going forward to say/post nothing
Embargo stays
Say what you want when you want.
It's your place!
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
Bump
Been though many times this source = Chutney
What you actually want is for me to post word for word what I know. Out of respect to people who I speak to and have great respect for and are great friends I have never done that and won't do that. I post what I can
So in light of that it's better for me going forward to say/post nothing
Embargo stays
I dont like embargoes....usually leads to higher petrol prices :-[
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But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
Bump
What you actually want is for me to post word for word what I know.
No I don't, I want your source for your unsubstantiated rumour about me >:(
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No I don't, I want your source for your unsubstantiated rumour about me >:(
What? Now you've completely lost me
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Well then no need to tell everyone how much mail you have ::)
:lol :lol
But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
I believe what you say, you can tell me lol. ;D
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WP i must agree your friend has been spot on just about everything. Lids, Cotch, Jack, Dusty maybe.
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But you don't believe my "mail" anyway so what does it matter ;D
Source?
Bump
What you actually want is for me to post word for word what I know.
No I don't, I want your source for your unsubstantiated rumour about me >:(
Lingy held him to a few cheap possies all day. Don't let him slot 5 in the last quarter though. :clapping
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9. Dustin Martin
It was a canter against GWS and the Tigers will take that, as they will Martin's signature on a new contract. There has never been doubt about him leaving the club and it would appear it will be completed soon. To reaffirm his importance, Martin was close to best afield against the Giants with his sxith 30-plus possessions game of the season.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-essendon-coach-james-hird-prepares-for-the-long-game/story-fndv8gad-1226703751187?from=trendinglinks
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Scully & Trengove LMFAO
Go Dees Go Giants :cheers
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Scully & Trengove LMFAO
Go Dees Go Giants :cheers
Yep biggest draft duds of recent times
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They probably would have flourished anywhere else but that deep, dark, wet hole they call Melbourne FC.
Martin miles ahead though.
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Just a little concerned that a week after we were told that he would be signing this week, still no confirmation. Any word?
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Just a little concerned that a week after we were told that he would be signing this week, still no confirmation. Any word?
No quite right
what was reported by the media was it would done by before the finals
Finals haven't started yet ;D
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Aha so we should get some confirmation by next Friday which is the first day of finals WP?
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Just a little concerned that a week after we were told that he would be signing this week, still no confirmation. Any word?
No quite right
what was reported by the media was it would done by before the finals
Finals haven't started yet ;D
Caro on 3aw tonight - "Terrible situation but I expect it to be resolved sometime this week".
Ch 7 news tonight backed up Caro's article about Dusty to re-sign during the upcoming week :thumbsup.
Caro and Ch 7 never used finals ;D
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Caro on 3aw tonight - "Terrible situation but I expect it to be resolved sometime this week".
Ch 7 news tonight backed up Caro's article about Dusty to re-sign during the upcoming week :thumbsup.
Caro and Ch 7 never used finals ;D
Tom Browne from Ch7 news did
Mark Stvens didn't though he said last weekend it could be sorted this week :rollin :rollin
though with all the Essendon crap this week it is probably something you'd hold off announcing because it would get lost, announce it next Monday ;D
All sermantics
gets done when it gets done ;D
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Caro on 3aw tonight - "Terrible situation but I expect it to be resolved sometime this week".
Ch 7 news tonight backed up Caro's article about Dusty to re-sign during the upcoming week :thumbsup.
Caro and Ch 7 never used finals ;D
Tom Browne from Ch7 news did
Mark Stvens didn't though he said last weekend it could be sorted this week :rollin :rollin
though with all the Essendon crap this week it is probably something you'd hold off announcing because it would get lost, announce it next Monday ;D
All sermantics
gets done when it gets done ;D
the essendon story killed the opportunity to announce this. when the dust settles and we can get decent media for it it will happen. Pastichio told me this. So its happening.
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mark Stevens said on Ch7 Game Day this morning that talks are again OFF until after the finals :rollin
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Stevo said it? He'll probably sign tomorrow...
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VIDEO: Dusty's post-match interview
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-09-02/round-23-martin-postmatch
Martin pumped for Blues’ battle
By richmondfc.com.au
12:09pm AEST Monday, September 2, 2013
The Richmond that greeted an 18-year-old Dustin Martin, when he arrived as the Club’s first pick in the 2009 AFL National Draft, is vastly different to the one that is now preparing to face Carlton in Sunday’s blockbuster MCG elimination final.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-02/martin-pumped-for-blues-battle
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another classic Duzzy quote for the annals
"doesn't matter who you play you gotta beat them"
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Robbo says Dusty won't be re-signing this week but will be at Richmond next year.
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As long as he doesn't have another crap game like he did last time VS Carltank.
Blokes like Cotchin and Martin have some redeeming to so. They got raped last time.
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FC reporter interviewed Dusty outside Punt Rd today and Dusty said he's waiting until after the finals to re-sign and he's definitely staying at Richmond.
Hutchy said it will be a $1m over 2 year deal.
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FC reporter interviewed Dusty outside Punt Rd today and Dusty said he's waiting until after the finals to re-sign and he's definitely staying at Richmond.
Hutchy said it will be a $2m deal. So I'm presuming that's over 4 years.
I thought Hutchy said $1mil over 2 years
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FC reporter interviewed Dusty outside Punt Rd today and Dusty said he's waiting until after the finals to re-sign and he's definitely staying at Richmond.
Hutchy said it will be a $2m deal. So I'm presuming that's over 4 years.
I thought Hutchy said $1mil over 2 years
I must have misheard it then. Anyway, Dusty's comments and body language pretty much says it's a done deal :thumbsup.
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That's great news. I hope it's four years but we'll wait and see. :gotigers
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FC reporter interviewed Dusty outside Punt Rd today and Dusty said he's waiting until after the finals to re-sign and he's definitely staying at Richmond.
Hutchy said it will be a $2m deal. So I'm presuming that's over 4 years.
I thought Hutchy said $1mil over 2 years
I must have misheard it then. Anyway, Dusty's comments and body language pretty much says it's a done deal :thumbsup.
Doesn't really matter, he's staying that's all that matters ;D
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FC reporter interviewed Dusty outside Punt Rd today and Dusty said he's waiting until after the finals to re-sign and he's definitely staying at Richmond.
Hutchy said it will be a $2m deal. So I'm presuming that's over 4 years.
I thought Hutchy said $1mil over 2 years
I must have misheard it then. Anyway, Dusty's comments and body language pretty much says it's a done deal :thumbsup.
Doesn't really matter, he's staying that's all that matters ;D
Very true ;D. On ya Dusty :thumbsup.
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FC reporter whats that if I may ask
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FC reporter whats that if I may ask
Nerdy little Footy Classifed reporter looks about 16 ;D
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OK couldn't figure that one, anyway makes me a bit more comfortable but will be a lot more happier when its done.
Looking forward to see how we stand in finals and I reckon we will be good and Dusty may be one of those big finals players, want t5o keep him real bad...
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Now that we've for it from his own mouth hopefully he'll stay settled down and play well. No more distracted performances.
I hear its $1mil for two years but I'd be thrilled if it was 2 for 4.
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I thought Hutchy said $1mil over 2 years
I watched the replay and paid attention this time around lol and you're correct WP :cheers.
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Unless its players having some fun on Twitter, apparently spotted at Westpac centre this morning, disappointed if he were to go there.
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Didn't everyone notice his celebration after kicking a goal? Clearly did the "no deal" sign.
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Didn't everyone notice his celebration after kicking a goal? Clearly did the "no deal" sign.
:rollin :rollin
Handcuffs :rollin :rollin
Unless its players having some fun on Twitter, apparently spotted at Westpac centre this morning, disappointed if he were to go there.
Going for Scans perhaps
it's where a lot players go to have MRIs
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Didn't everyone notice his celebration after kicking a goal? Clearly did the "no deal" sign.
:rollin :rollin
Handcuffs :rollin :rollin
Unless its players having some fun on Twitter, apparently spotted at Westpac centre this morning, disappointed if he were to go there.
Going for Scans perhaps
it's where a lot players go to have MRIs
Kewl wasn't aware of this WP.
I wonder where we are at with his contract situation, now that season is over I would hope they wrap this up quick smart.
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Didn't everyone notice his celebration after kicking a goal? Clearly did the "no deal" sign.
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/0909_SelfishAndPoor.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-09-09/dont-be-selfish-dusty
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Not watching that. EAD Darcy.
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I take it that flog Darcy doesn't like the way Dusty goes about it.
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Not watching that. EAD Darcy.
:clapping well said
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Farcy diverting everyone from the paleotologists searching for his team's last flag.
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Tigers have been asked by the AFL to investigate Dusty's "salute"
Richmond investigates Dustin Martin's jailhouse salute
Date
September 9, 2013 - 5:54PM
Jon Pierik
Sports writer with The Age
The AFL has asked Richmond to investigate why midfielder Dustin Martin offered a jailhouse salute after he kicked a goal during the Tigers' upset loss to Carlton on Sunday.
Martin made the emotional tribute in front of the biggest ever crowd at an elimination final after booting a goal in the second term of the 20-point defeat at the MCG.
The Tigers do not know what prompted the celebration, or to whom it was directed.
AFL spokesman Patrick Keane confirmed on Monday the league had contacted the Tigers.
"We asked the club to deal with it via their in house mechanisms, rather than have us issue a formal note to him," he said.
Collingwood small forward Andrew Krakouer, another who has gone public with a jailhouse salute during a match, tweeted his support for Martin at the time, but the posting was later removed.
"@DustinMartin4 love the celebration just showing some support. Unlucky on the loss," Krakouer wrote.
Martin began the game well before fading after the salute, finishing with 19 disposals, but only eight after half-time.
Former Western Bulldogs captain Luke Darcy, now a prominent commentator, took aim at Martin on Monday on his weekly show on the AFL website.
"We have seen players go with it before. It's some sort of tribute to a mate who is behind bars. Write him a letter Dustin, give him a call ... I am not trying to be overly cute about this," Darcy said.
"After that moment, Dustin Martin had eight possessions in the second half. You have got Richmond supporters who waited their whole life for that (a final), find your time for your personal time afterwards.
"I would be absolutely furious if I was (coach) Damien Hardwick and his teammates. That is very selfish and just a poor thing to do. Leave that out of the game."
Former St Kilda players Michael Gardiner and Brendon Goddard have also supported either a friend or family member with a controversial salute during a game
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-investigates-dustin-martins-jailhouse-salute-20130909-2tg3x.html#ixzz2eOP6L4JV
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Brownlow night Farcy the sleaze calling the players partners very beautiful ladies blah blah blah.
Waste of space.
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RICHMOND remains confident it will secure unsigned midfield duo Dustin Martin and Reece Conca before contemplating moves in this year's trade period.
The Tigers are believed to be at the upper limit of their salary cap and are sticking to about a $500,000 a year limit for Martin.
The club has vowed not to cave in to demands to pay Martin as much as $600,000 a season.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/jay-clark-analyses-the-burning-issues-at-richmond/story-fnia6oop-1226715399762
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A real club would trade him.
We would get Taylor Adams and 1st round draft pick for him
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Apparently the reason for his stalled contractual negotiations is
He forgot how to write his signature......
Dustin Martin Broo!
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choice bro
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A real club would trade him.
We would get Taylor Adams and 1st round draft pick for him
Can't agree
A real club wouldn't. You don't invest in a player like this and then turf them, good clubs don't do that
I just think a big deal has been made out of this jailhouse gesture.
I don't remember this sort of carry on when Goodard did the jailhouse gesture or Krakouer, Hibberd any of the other player that's done it
Why is it an issue this time?
If Dusty gets fined are the goons at the AFL going fine all he others retrospectively?
Please, give me a break
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Season is over. Tell them to sign or they'll be traded to whoever offers us the best pick and they can forget getting a preference in their destination.
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A real club would trade him.
We would get Taylor Adams and 1st round draft pick for him
You reckon GWS would lose two players the one they have and their first pick? No chance.
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choice bro
Chur fullaz !
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Luke Darcy is boring.
Don't care about the crossed wrists crap. He's a good footballer that's my primary concern.
Sign or trade him.
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Lmao@ Darcy fancying himself as the 60 minutes journo of football.
Nice loaded interview with Dank you channel 7,
Dumb rat.
How long until he writes a book.
LMFAFO.
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Farcy diverting everyone from the paleotologists searching for his team's last flag.
:lol :lol
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With Tuck retiring that surely free up some space. :shh
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Tigers want part of Dustys salary paid outside of the cap.
Slowly slowly it seems.
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Dan Richo will get this done. It's what we got him for. Lol @ all the Collingwood vermin on twitter already jizzing themselves at the thought of him in black and white.
Dusty said a week or so ago that he will be staying at Richmond when the media confronted him outside Punt road.
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I just think a big deal has been made out of this jailhouse gesture.
It was the no deal sign
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It was the " I'm not gonna kick another goal in this match" sign.
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I thought he was warding off gypsies.
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Tigers' contract fight
Jon Pierik and Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 10, 2013
Richmond is fighting to retain two of its key young stars, with Reece Conca beginning to consider a shift home to Perth and a third-party agreement emerging as one stumbling block in Dustin Martin's contract negotiations.
As the AFL asked Richmond on Monday to explain Dustin Martin's emotional jailhouse salute after his second-quarter goal against Carlton on Sunday, it was revealed the Tigers are keen for Martin to also be paid for a mentoring role with indigenous youth at Punt Road's Korin Gamadji Institute.
The Tigers have asked the AFL to approve a deal allowing Martin to be paid outside the salary cap. But the AFL revised its third-party agreement rules late last year, tightening the criteria for approval.
It then ruled earlier this year that Chris Judd's payments as a Visy ambassador, which had sat outside of the salary cap, were now to be split between the salary cap and injury-allowance payments. It is understood Geelong's Joel Selwood and Collingwood's Dane Swan have similar deals.
While the Tigers face a salary-cap squeeze, Martin remains one of the planks the Tigers want to build around, but the onballer had wanted about $600,000 a season to remain. The Tigers are offering about $500,000.
It is understood the parties recently were close to a two-year deal, but Martin's manager, Ralph Carr, is now unhappy with some points of the contract. Carr said there was ''nothing to report'' when contacted on Monday.
The Tigers remain confident of retaining the pair. Tigers football operations manager Dan Richardson said at the weekend a deal with Martin was ''very close'', with the finer details to be hammered out now the season is over.
The AFL has asked Richmond to investigate why Martin offered the jailhouse salute, which came in front of the biggest crowd ever at an elimination final. It is considering taking a stand and fining Martin to stamp out a growing trend among players.
The AFL's football operations boss Mark Evans confirmed he was concerned by Martin's gesture but would wait for an official explanation from the club before taking any further action. ''We definitely have an issue with players making certain gestures and we've asked Richmond to investigate what motivated Dustin's,'' said Evans.
In the past the AFL has left any disciplinary action up to the club concerned. Earlier this season the Essendon leadership group spoke with Michael Hibberd to ensure the 'handcuff' gesture was not repeated.
However, it is understood the AFL could issue a statement against such a gesture being repeated and could even consider fining Martin should it be established his had prison connotations.
Collingwood small forward Andrew Krakouer, another who has done the jailhouse salute, tweeted his support for Martin, but the posting was later removed. Former St Kilda duo Brendon Goddard and Michael Gardiner have also celebrated kicking a goal in the same way.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-contract-fight-20130909-2tg3x.html#ixzz2ePc46KYd
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I what not pay Martin let alone 500k or 600k what he wants.Overated and goes missing in big games as we seen on Sunday.This contract with Martin has to be put to a stop cause week after week it's in the media and it may have affected the club to.Take it or leave it we paid him over the odds last contract and got his life on track and afl career this year now his holding us ransom.Dees offered us pick 2 as there after midfielders I would take it.
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I thought he was warding off gypsies.
:clapping
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Leon Cameron has Dusty Martin in his plans. He has the carrots daggling for him to join the Scullywag. Richmond don't have the money under the cap to match it & this could see a Conk out ;D or possible lose both. :banghead
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A real club would trade him.
We would get Taylor Adams and 1st round draft pick for him
Can't agree
A real club wouldn't. You don't invest in a player like this and then turf them, good clubs don't do that
I just think a big deal has been made out of this jailhouse gesture.
I don't remember this sort of carry on when Goodard did the jailhouse gesture or Krakouer, Hibberd any of the other player that's done it
Why is it an issue this time?
If Dusty gets fined are the goons at the AFL going fine all he others retrospectively?
Please, give me a break
They should trade him.
Not because of that stupid gesture, but because he is a big risk that will never have higher currency .
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They should trade him.
Not because of that stupid gesture, but because he is a big risk that will never have higher currency .
Why is he a big risk? Because of multiple unfounded internet rumours? ;D
And if he is such a "big risk" then his currency wouldn't be that high
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RISK players hold little value in clubs these days. You tow the line or say goodbye. Richmond have to be very careful managing players & how they pay them. They can shut their premiership window by having too many players who demand too much. Salary caps are tight when trying to win a premiership unless your helped by the AFL like most interstate clubs
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Ok, so let's say they both want to go.
What could we expect to get?
When Roos was coach at Sydney they wanted Martin badly. Pick 2 from the Dees? I don't think he would slip to them in the PSD with the GWS lurking.
The GWS? Pick 10 and Adams. No chance of getting pick 1 from them. Maybe even Tyson and Adams?
Conca to West Coast? Pick 6 or player like Scott Selwood or Andrew Gaff.
Best case for me, besides them both staying, would be
In: Pick 2, Scott Selwood
Out: Conca, Martin
Pick 2 used on Boyd :pray and pick ~11 on Taylor Adams
Final ins: Adams, Selwood and Boyd
We lose two mids but gain two ready made replacements and get the gun KPF of the draft.
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Ok, so let's say they both want to go.
What could we expect to get?
When Roos was coach at Sydney they wanted Martin badly. Pick 2 from the Dees? I don't think he would slip to them in the PSD with the GWS lurking.
The GWS? Pick 10 and Adams. No chance of getting pick 1 from them. Maybe even Tyson and Adams?
Conca to West Coast? Pick 6 or player like Scott Selwood or Andrew Gaff.
Best case for me, besides them both staying, would be
In: Pick 2, Scott Selwood
Out: Conca, Martin
Pick 2 used on Boyd :pray and pick ~11 on Taylor Adams
Final ins: Adams, Selwood and Boyd
We lose two mids but gain two ready made replacements and get the gun KPF of the draft.
You cant rely on draft picks to get you man, Other clubs are always lurking & pick 11 you may miss your man.
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Ok, so let's say they both want to go.
What could we expect to get?
When Roos was coach at Sydney they wanted Martin badly. Pick 2 from the Dees? I don't think he would slip to them in the PSD with the GWS lurking.
The GWS? Pick 10 and Adams. No chance of getting pick 1 from them. Maybe even Tyson and Adams?
Conca to West Coast? Pick 6 or player like Scott Selwood or Andrew Gaff.
Best case for me, besides them both staying, would be
In: Pick 2, Scott Selwood
Out: Conca, Martin
Pick 2 used on Boyd :pray and pick ~11 on Taylor Adams
Final ins: Adams, Selwood and Boyd
We lose two mids but gain two ready made replacements and get the gun KPF of the draft.
Gee whiz, I'd seriously consider Scooter for Conca. Both great players and Selwood is only 23.
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You cant rely on draft picks to get you man, Other clubs are always lurking & pick 11 you may miss your man.
Maybe the GWS option is the go?
10 and Adams, then we can trade for Longer and keep a first rounder.
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Boyd will go pick 1 not pick 2.
If we want him we have to play seriously hard for him. Martin alone won't net us pick 1.
Martin and pick 12 for Adams and pick 1 possibly?
Conca for Selwood would be good IMO. Those Selwoods are very tough and he's a good player, better than his newly retired brother or the one that was delisted by Brisbane.
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Collingwood apparently offering 700,000 for four years plus incentives
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Collingwood apparently offering 700,000 for four years plus incentives
Why wouldn't they, dead set gun
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Collingwood apparently offering 700,000 for four years plus incentives
Why wouldn't they, dead set gun
They are also after Karnezis :lol
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Collingwood apparently offering 700,000 for four years plus incentives
If Thomas goes they might have pick 10 and 11.
I'd take that and then ontrade them.
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If he goes to colonwood he will be dead to me. Probably did the handcuffs to himself since going there is like a prison sentence in itself with Eddie Manure as the warden.
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im well over this douchebag
if he doesnt want to be here can feck right off bogan lower IQ SOB
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There is no way West Coast will trade Selwood. We would have to offer Cotchin for them to even consider it he is that loved down there. Would be more likely to get Shuey but even he is held in a very high regard here in the West and would be highly unlikely. If we were going to trade with them it would be Conca for their first rounder and possibly a trade of our second round picks.
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
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There is no way West Coast will trade Selwood. We would have to offer Cotchin for them to even consider it he is that loved down there. Would be more likely to get Shuey but even he is held in a very high regard here in the West and would be highly unlikely. If we were going to trade with them it would be Conca for their first rounder and possibly a trade of our second round picks.
Thank god. Selwood is an average player.
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
I'm ok with it as long we are compensated fairly and can get Adams.
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Some of the BF trade offers are gold at the moment.
Just about every team thinks they can screw us over and pick Martin up in the PSD.
Some West Coast fans want Conca and pick 11 for pick 6. Most want Conca for pick 24 + Rosa :lol
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WP! some Chuckney information would be useful right now.
any news?
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Rubbish
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WP! some Chuckney information would be useful right now.
any news?
daniel, i said a couple of weeks ago I wouldn't be making anymore comments re Dusty's contract, called it an embargo at the time and it (embargo) still stands
Wont be saying anything more about this one or any others
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why is that?
some people like me appreciate the info
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why is that?
some people like me appreciate the info
And some people go whackety whack, whack because I won't betray a confidence when it comes to detail.
So it's better not to say anything
FWIW my view hasn't changed
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why is that?
some people like me appreciate the info
And some people go whackety whack, whack because I won't betray a confidence when it comes to detail.
So it's better not to say anything
FWIW my view hasn't changed
So you are not going to say anything except stating that you are not going to say anything.
:lol
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Hey are you that collingwood fan?
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why is that?
some people like me appreciate the info
And some people go whackety whack, whack because I won't betray a confidence when it comes to detail.
So it's better not to say anything
FWIW my view hasn't changed
So you are not going to say anything except stating that you are not going to say anything.
:lol
I think that's where the whacks came in :lol
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Some of the BF trade offers are gold at the moment.
Just about every team thinks they can screw us over and pick Martin up in the PSD.
Some West Coast fans want Conca and pick 11 for pick 6. Most want Conca for pick 24 + Rosa :lol
Read all that :lol
And if that many clubs were genuinely keen on snagging dusty we get to name our price. Someone will be getting bent over and it won't be us.
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why is that?
some people like me appreciate the info
And some people go whackety whack, whack because I won't betray a confidence when it comes to detail.
So it's better not to say anything
FWIW my view hasn't changed
So you are not going to say anything except stating that you are not going to say anything.
:lol
I think that's where the whacks came in :lol
No the whacks came in long before that
daniel asked a question as to why I wasn't making any comments and why I was keeping the embargo in place and I answered
Disappointing that the 2 of you both seemed to have missed the meaning of my last sentence ;D ;D :lol :lol :rollin
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Yep he is off to Westpac land.
See it's easy to play along, oh and one of these helps :shh
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No the whacks came in long before that
daniel asked a question as to why I wasn't making any comments and why I was keeping the embargo in place and I answered
Disappointing that the 2 of you both seemed to have missed the meaning of my last sentence ;D ;D :lol :lol :rollin
Don't be so sure stinky Willy
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If he goes to colonwood he will be dead to me. Probably did the handcuffs to himself since going there is like a prison sentence in itself with Eddie Manure as the warden.
:clapping
stuff i wish I still had photoshop :shh :lol
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Just signed, details soon
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Just signed, details soon
Care to elaborate?
Who is your source? Or are they reliable if not disclosed?
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Just signed, details soon
Care to elaborate?
Who is your source? Or are they reliable if not disclosed?
Right most of the time
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Just signed, details soon
Care to elaborate?
Who is your source? Or are they reliable if not disclosed?
Right most of the time
Also thinks we've already talked to Jolly
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Just signed, details soon
Care to elaborate?
Who is your source? Or are they reliable if not disclosed?
Right most of the time
Also thinks we've already talked to Jolly
and are we interested?
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Just signed, details soon
Care to elaborate?
Who is your source? Or are they reliable if not disclosed?
Right most of the time
Also thinks we've already talked to Jolly
and are we interested?
Well I assume since we've talked to him. Don't know how interested
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Hey are you that collingwood fan?
Are you stupid
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Hey are you that collingwood fan?
Are you stupid
Possibly the same guy who said to pick John Butcher over Dustin Martin. Wonder how that's working out....
Well done Dusty!
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Hey are you that collingwood fan?
Are you stupid
Genuine question. Can't remember who it was
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Hey are you that collingwood fan?
Are you stupid
Possibly the same guy who said to pick John Butcher over Dustin Martin. Wonder how that's working out....
Well done Dusty!
l said we needed a forward over a midfielder. You constantly cant get over the names Martin & Butcher.
l see we still have forward line problems & Rewoldt is falling out of favour with the supporters just by listening to many around me at the game on Sunday. teams are built around forwards who do the damage. Rewoldt still sits at the back of the pack, gets bumped to the ground & is sooking for a free kick while his player tears away with the ball out of the forward 50.
Regardless Martin is a excellent player but what if he leaves the club, who has done everything possible for him. l certainly hope he don't. But with big $$$ being waved at him & being young. l would take the money after all its just a job to them all.
Now we aint having this Martin v Butcher conversation again cause they play 2 different positions & l want a forward at Richmond who can lead, break packs, & not sook
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Be prepared to lose Martin :shh
Hey are you that collingwood fan?
Are you stupid
Possibly the same guy who said to pick John Butcher over Dustin Martin. Wonder how that's working out....
Well done Dusty!
l said we needed a forward over a midfielder. You constantly cant get over the names Martin & Butcher.
l see we still have forward line problems & Rewoldt is falling out of favour with the supporters just by listening to many around me at the game on Sunday. teams are built around forwards who do the damage. Rewoldt still sits at the back of the pack, gets bumped to the ground & is sooking for a free kick while his player tears away with the ball out of the forward 50.
Regardless Martin is a excellent player but what if he leaves the club, who has done everything possible for him. l certainly hope he don't. But with big $$$ being waved at him & being young. l would take the money after all its just a job to them all.
Now we aint having this Martin v Butcher conversation again cause they play 2 different positions & l want a forward at Richmond who can lead, break packs, & not sook
We could deal with an elite of any position. Hoping McBean can come on, looks genuine.
We won massively out of the Martin draft. Out of the 'big' top 3 mid in Scully, Trengove and Martin - we got the best one. Nothing else matters. Martin was the best pick and we got him and he's resigned. Good news after an ordinary weekend
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We won massively out of the Martin draft. Out of the 'big' top 3 mid in Scully, Trengove and Martin - we got the best one. Nothing else matters. Martin was the best pick and we got him and he's resigned. Good news after an ordinary weekend
Too right his the best out of the bunch
Martin has resigned ??? who has confirmed this
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But HAS HE RESIGNED?
Until I see it officially its just conjecture and that means nothing to me.
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don't want to be one of those people but its
re-signed
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Just signed, details soon
Just signed his tag on the back of a dunny door.
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don't want to be one of those people but its
re-signed
No please do
We want him re-signed
Not resigned :rollin
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Now, Dusty- Sack that idiot manager of yours
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Why can't dan Jackson just do the Richmond contracts
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Dusty just sign up or go. Enough is enough.
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They should trade him.
Not because of that stupid gesture, but because he is a big risk that will never have higher currency .
Why is he a big risk? Because of multiple unfounded internet rumours? ;D
And if he is such a "big risk" then his currency wouldn't be that high
just my opinion willy, very maintenance footballer, not sure if he is worth it
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The poster on here is right, lock it in.
Deal done. :thumbsup
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They should trade him.
Not because of that stupid gesture, but because he is a big risk that will never have higher currency .
Why is he a big risk? Because of multiple unfounded internet rumours? ;D
And if he is such a "big risk" then his currency wouldn't be that high
just my opinion willy, very maintenance footballer, not sure if he is worth it
Suppose that's where we differ 2 years ago I'd probably have agree. Last 12 months has settled really well
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The poster on here is right, lock it in.
Deal done. :thumbsup
Which one :rollin
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am i missing whats done
dusty signed or resigned?
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The poster on here is right, lock it in.
Deal done. :thumbsup
Which one :rollin
DM apparently.
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am i missing whats done
dusty signed or resigned?
Signed daniel
Yeahright posted it around 6pm
Popelord said too around 6.30
rogerd3 - just posted at 9.47pm saying deal done.
Have to twitter was a flutter about it around 5pm
No confirmation from the club at this stage ;D
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The poster on here is right, lock it in.
Deal done. :thumbsup
Which one :rollin
DM apparently.
No not the player rog, which poster :lol
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The poster on here is right, lock it in.
Deal done. :thumbsup
Which one :rollin
DM apparently.
No not the player rog, which poster :lol
Yeahright is right..lol
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Where does this info come from? Just a rumour otherwise...
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Still can't totally relax but you guys seem confident, which is great. For mine, much more important to get Dusty rather than Conca. Firstly, because, well, DM is a better footballer. Secondly, if we lost dusty, we may have got nothing for him in return. If concs wants to head back west, West Coast will have to cough something up for him. Getting a pick 6 in return is wishful thinking, but something along those lines, and in the end it doesn't hurt too much. Still prefer to keep them both though.
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Still can't totally relax but you guys seem confident, which is great. For mine, much more important to get Dusty rather than Conca. Firstly, because, well, DM is a better footballer. Secondly, if we lost dusty, we may have got nothing for him in return. If concs wants to head back west, West Coast will have to cough something up for him. Getting a pick 6 in return is wishful thinking, but something along those lines, and in the end it doesn't hurt too much. Still prefer to keep them both though.
why?
he was pick six + we put three years into him
should get pick 6 + something else
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Still can't totally relax but you guys seem confident, which is great. For mine, much more important to get Dusty rather than Conca. Firstly, because, well, DM is a better footballer. Secondly, if we lost dusty, we may have got nothing for him in return. If concs wants to head back west, West Coast will have to cough something up for him. Getting a pick 6 in return is wishful thinking, but something along those lines, and in the end it doesn't hurt too much. Still prefer to keep them both though.
why?
he was pick six + we put three years into him
should get pick 6 + something else
Its not that I disagree, but when has a top 10 pick ever been traded for an equitable pick? The only instance I can think of is the Judd trade, which hardly counts.
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No confirmation that he has re-signed yet.
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l know what your smiling about :thumbsup
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:shh
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:outtahere
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l know what your smiling about :thumbsup
No you don't ;D
Just been some funny stuff on this thread in the last 24-36 hours that's what I'm smiling about
We have love one minute, then venom and now it seems love is all around again
It's funny stuff
Just makes me do this ;D
:thumbsup
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:outtahere
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l know what your smiling about :thumbsup
No you don't ;D
Just been some funny stuff on this thread in the last 24-36 hours that's what I'm smiling about
We have love one minute, then venom and now it seems love is all around again
It's funny stuff
Just makes do this ;D
:thumbsup
l was refering to the Re-Signed ;D
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l was refering to the Re-Signed ;D
No comment
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l know what your smiling about :thumbsup
No you don't ;D
Just been some funny stuff on this thread in the last 24-36 hours that's what I'm smiling about
We have love one minute, then venom and now it seems love is all around again
It's funny stuff
Just makes me do this ;D
:thumbsup
Does Chutney agree that he's agreed to terms?
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l know what your smiling about :thumbsup
No you don't ;D
Just been some funny stuff on this thread in the last 24-36 hours that's what I'm smiling about
We have love one minute, then venom and now it seems love is all around again
It's funny stuff
Just makes me do this ;D
:thumbsup
Does Chutney agree that he's agreed to terms?
Chutneys busy at the moment picking up some birds on the street. He'll get back to us when he's done :whistle
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Does Chutney agree that he's agreed to terms?
Haven't spoken to Chutney maybe I should ;D
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Just signed, details soon
still waiting confirmation when's the details coming ;D
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Just signed, details soon
still waiting confirmation when's the details coming ;D
Not to sure. I'm not sure I misunderstood when was told he agreed to terms, might mean the pen hasn't actually hit paper yet.
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AFL hands Martin suspended fine for 'jailbird' salute
By Mark Macgugan and Jen Phelan
7:12pm AEST Wednesday, September 11, 2013
DUSTIN Martin has escaped with a suspended fine for his controversial 'jailbird' gesture during Richmond's elimination final loss to Carlton on Sunday.
The Tigers midfielder raised eyebrows during the MCG clash when he kicked a goal and celebrated by crossing his wrists, as if to signal handcuffs.
On Wednesday night, AFL football manager Mark Evans announced the League had handed Martin a $2000 fine, suspended for two years, meaning the 22-year-old will not need to dip into his pocket unless he re-offends.
It is understood the Tigers have counselled Martin over the gesture but the club is not expected to hand down a separate sanction.
"We've had discussions with Richmond over the last couple of days, and Dustin Martin has accepted that he thought the gesture, in hindsight, was inappropriate," Evans told radio station 3AW.
"We haven't fined or sanctioned in the past for this, but it's got to the point where we're really saying to all players that we don't want these sorts of gestures.
"There will be a portion of our audience or crowd who are upset by it, and we just think it's best left somewhere else."
On Tuesday night, Tigers president Gary March said he was unimpressed with the hand signal.
"It was disappointing, even if it's not in the context that we think it is," March said.
"I don't think players need to be doing that in a game."
Evans said it had since been confirmed that Martin was acknowledging someone in prison.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-11/suspended-fine-for-martin
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Dusty just tweeted in response to critcism about the jailhouse celebration;
'Luke Darcy what a larry'
LOL
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maybe im getting old but whats a larry roger?
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March said Club Football Operations manger Dan Richardson will most likely have a chat to Martin about the incident.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/richmond-president-condemns-martins-jailhouse-salute/20130910-2ti6v.html
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March said Club Football Operations manger Dan Richardson will most likely have a chat to Martin about the incident.
http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/richmond-president-condemns-martins-jailhouse-salute/20130910-2ti6v.html
How about signing a new contract?
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waiting on that pen to paper, seems some sources are just Sauce :whistle
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They're waiting on Conca so that can announce both at the same time.
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maybe im getting old but whats a larry roger?
Moron, wanker, knobhead. Dusty was just saying what everybody thinks. :rollin
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waiting on that pen to paper, seems some sources are just Sauce :whistle
Patience ;)
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waiting on that pen to paper, seems some sources are just Sauce :whistle
Patience ;)
Chutney would be proud of that answer ;D
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waiting on that pen to paper, seems some sources are just Sauce :whistle
Patience ;)
Chutney would be proud of that answer ;D
l know l been away for along time but who is Chutney WP
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They're waiting on Conca so that can announce both at the same time.
Yeh - they're both outta here! :lol
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l know l been away for along time but who is Chutney WP
Chutney is my source Monk ;D
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This dusty will he /wont he is doing my head in..I'm almost to the point of thinking ,give him the flick and lump him and all his problems on some other club.
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l know l been away for along time but who is Chutney WP
Chutney is my source Monk ;D
dont worry about it monkey, chutney is just overrated in these parts and he only works part time anyway when it comes to the news ;D
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l know l been away for along time but who is Chutney WP
Chutney is my source Monk ;D
dont worry about it monkey, chutney is just overrated in these parts and he only works part time anyway when it comes to the news ;D
Incorrect Ramps
Chutney is always working has good stuff but I am just not posting Chutney's good work these days.
Don't blame Chutney blame WP ;)
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Because oer has gone down the shutter, tiger monk just tops it off.
Shame this site used to be ok
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Because oer has gone down the shutter, tiger monk just tops it off.
Shame this site used to be ok
well l aint posted on any forum since l was here last, but at least what comes from me is legit & not false. as l said many times about players, drugs & whateva it is. if you don't wanna hear the truth, then l be happy to just read the rot cause its amusing some of the stuff l read since l been gone. you amuse me in off season please.
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CW reporting that the tigers have taken the offer off the table to Dusty.
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CW?
Reputable?
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CW?
Reputable?
Caro
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I reckon this kid is starting to alienate us tiger supporters with this.....just sign dusty
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CW?
Reputable?
Caro
:thumbsup
blonde moment
very reputable.
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Has another offer on table at 750k per season
See ya
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Has another offer on table at 750k per season
See ya
source?
750k for a guy who has off field issues
doubt it
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You have to applaud Dan Richardson for sticking to his word not to overpay individuals.
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Has another offer on table at 750k per season
See ya
If that's the case see ya later pal.
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Will be announced today
Oh wait
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Has another offer on table at 750k per season
See ya
If that's the case see ya later pal.
Must be pure speculation at this point, a player like joel selwood or patrick dangerfield are worth that kind of money. But i bet they are not paid that kind of money, im not going to jump to any conclusions till I know he is staying or going.
If he did leave it would only be for money as it has been reported he does enjoy being at punt road and also enjoys playing witn his teammates here
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Pretty hard to believe that 12 months ago st kilda wouldn't pay Goddard that kinda money and speculation of 750 for dm, amazing , suppose he s only 22
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Dusty, Dusty if Caros correct
You're not listening to the right folks again >:(
And as for your manager and his merry team of twits, they are not doing what their client(s) have asked
Blind leading the blind and impressionable
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The playing out of this when others have signed up is not endearing him to the faithful.
Whatever advice he is receiving from his posse is average and not in his best interest, at then end of the day we or most understand that this is his lively hood but c'mon as a club we have done more for him in regards DUTY of CARE, putting in place practices that he otherwise wouldn't have done.
This is where this club has improved, but we won't and shouldn't be held to ransom by some bloke who feels he can poo in the nest.
You would assume he would seek counsel from people that have helped him out with his issues whilst at Tigerland and you would hope he takes on board their feedback whether its right or wrong.
At the end of the day one goes and one comes in, what's more disappointing is what the club has attempted to do for him, it seems with scant regard from him or his manager.
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It's all very suspenseful
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Tiger71 on BF earlier this arvo:
"Also to those that think Dusty is going, rest easy he is not"
"As from last I heard, still waiting on official afl approval. Once that's a lock it should be announced."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-22#post-30125557
So either he or Caro has the wrong info.
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The playing out of this when others have signed up is not endearing him to the faithful.
Whatever advice he is receiving from his posse is average and not in his best interest, at then end of the day we or most understand that this is his lively hood but c'mon as a club we have done more for him in regards DUTY of CARE, putting in place practices that he otherwise wouldn't have done.
This is where this club has improved, but we won't and shouldn't be held to ransom by some bloke who feels he can poo in the nest.
You would assume he would seek counsel from people that have helped him out with his issues whilst at Tigerland and you would hope he takes on board their feedback whether its right or wrong.
At the end of the day one goes and one comes in, what's more disappointing is what the club has attempted to do for him, it seems with scant regard from him or his manager.
Blame his management
When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
It then goes back to his manager to seal it all and goes back to dragging out again
Can I add what's interesting is that Caro supposedly made her commentSon 3Aw tonight before the game
But on twitter 3AW didn't tweet anything about it :-\
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The playing out of this when others have signed up is not endearing him to the faithful.
Whatever advice he is receiving from his posse is average and not in his best interest, at then end of the day we or most understand that this is his lively hood but c'mon as a club we have done more for him in regards DUTY of CARE, putting in place practices that he otherwise wouldn't have done.
This is where this club has improved, but we won't and shouldn't be held to ransom by some bloke who feels he can poo in the nest.
You would assume he would seek counsel from people that have helped him out with his issues whilst at Tigerland and you would hope he takes on board their feedback whether its right or wrong.
At the end of the day one goes and one comes in, what's more disappointing is what the club has attempted to do for him, it seems with scant regard from him or his manager.
Blame his management
When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
It then goes back to his manager to seal it all and goes back to dragging out again
Can I add what's interesting is that Caro supposedly made her commentSon 3Aw tonight before the game
But on twitter 3AW didn't tweet anything about it :-\
Understand WP that that his management or more specifically Ralph Carr are game playing to gain an advantage, but I'm sure DM is kept up to date with specifics, if he really wanted to stay and was offered more than previously I would have thought he would tell them guys enough of the bull rap get it done.
So are we going to go down this track on his next contract in a few years time, is this going tone the norm, lets hope not.
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Would hate to see the bull crap we'll go through for his next contract.
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From Caro - nothing about any offers being pulled:
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Saints cancel trip with Tiger
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
St Kilda footballers Sam Fisher and David Armitage have cancelled an end-of-season trip to the US with Richmond's Dustin Martin at the urging of their coach.
It has emerged that Saints coach Scott Watters spoke to Fisher and Armitage after learning of their holiday plans. The meeting was part of a wider confrontation involving all St Kilda players following their ''Mad Monday'' indiscretion.
St Kilda football boss Chris Pelchen warned Watters he could not ban the proposed trip with Martin or enforce end-of-season break restrictions on his team, but Watters is understood to have received the backing of Pelchen and his entire club executive in strongly urging Fisher and Armitage to change their travel plans.
Watters, who made his disappointment known in no uncertain terms to all his players, communicated to Fisher, Armitage and several others that their decision-making processes needed to improve because they could impact upon themselves and the club. Watters is understood to have made it clear that holidaying with Martin in the US could be one of those decisions that could have a negative impact on St Kilda.
Martin and Fisher committed separate indiscretions at the end of season 2012 with Fisher dropped from the Saints' leadership group for 2013 and Martin taken under the wing of his young captain Trent Cotchin for several weeks and also nurtured by the Tigers' senior assistant coach Mark Williams.
Martin's off-field issues have punctuated his career at Richmond and, despite a solid 2013 season, he remains at the crossroads with the club, having so far refused to sign a new contract with the Tigers.
His handcuff gesture during the first half of the elimination final against Carlton last Sunday resulted in him receiving a suspended $2000 fine from the AFL.
Although Richmond believed the 22-year-old was poised to put pen to a new two-year deal in August, contract talks stalled again and Martin is no certainty to remain at the club and suggestions the club trade him have not been ruled out.
Martin's gesture, reportedly a cheerio aimed at a friend of his bikie father, came just days before the revelation that Jake King had last month invited one of Melbourne's most high-profile crime figures into the club's rooms after a game, a move slammed on Friday by AFL boss Andrew Demetriou.
Fisher also appears at the crossroads with the Saints. The 31-year-old dual club champion and one-time All-Australian defender has attracted interest from Greater Western Sydney and, with long-time teammate Nick Dal Santo, could continue the mounting exodus of older players from St Kilda as Watters' thorough regeneration of his senior list continues.
The coach is believed to have passionately demonstrated how disappointed he was in his squad after senior Saint Leigh Montagna hired two dwarf entertainers for the players' post-season function at Bell's Hotel in South Melbourne.
Both the senior coach and the AFL had spoken to the St Kilda players just days before the function, at which player Clinton Jones set one of the entertainers alight.
The subsequent fall-out had the players curbing their drinking at the Saints' best-and-fairest and cancel their after-party.
Almost a dozen footballers changed their overseas travel plans.
Team leaders, led by captain Nick Riewoldt, apologised to Saints fans via a filmed presentation and chief executive Michael Nettlefold said the club had drawn a line in the sand regarding off-field behaviour and culture.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-cancel-trip-with-tiger-20130913-2tqd0.html#ixzz2emM63XKl
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Must be pure speculation at this point, a player like joel selwood . But i bet they are not paid that kind of money
Don't remember exactly how much but he did take a big pay check couple years back
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When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
Do you know what his Dad actually did?
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Must be pure speculation at this point, a player like joel selwood . But i bet they are not paid that kind of money
Don't remember exactly how much but he did take a big pay check couple years back
I remember Cam Mooney having a casual chat maybe with marko and ox and it came up, he said something along the lines of between 500-600 tops.
Ill be dissapointed if he goes but, a precedence has been set and club needs to stick with it.
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No I'm sure that was BS :shh
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When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
Do you know what his Dad actually did?
When in Melb he spoke to the club - it was around the time Barrett, Seteves & Caro said deal would be done before the finals
Think Caro has even wrote about it a coulple of weeks ago that is said the old man had gotten involved
Actually think someone on here in this thread even posted about the old man being seen leaving the ME Bank Centre ;D
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When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
Do you know what his Dad actually did?
His mum.
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/2E733EFD-4BD5-462D-ACD6-BD889C49DC30-12840-00001E4E9E2C3A9A_zps05cc6fbc.jpg)
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When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
Do you know what his Dad actually did?
His mum.
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/2E733EFD-4BD5-462D-ACD6-BD889C49DC30-12840-00001E4E9E2C3A9A_zps05cc6fbc.jpg)
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
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Caro apparently didn't say anything about Dusty's contract being pulled last night. It was just some opposition tool on BF posting crap. Caro apparently said she reckons Dusty will stay.
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Lmao
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When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
Do you know what his Dad actually did?
When in Melb he spoke to the club - it was around the time Barrett, Seteves & Caro said deal would be done before the finals
Think Caro has even wrote about it a coulple of weeks ago that is said the old man had gotten involved
Actually think someone on here in this thread even posted about the old man being seen leaving the ME Bank Centre ;D
Yeah but did he tell the club to up the offer? Or tell his manager to pull his head in?
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When his Dad stepped in, things got back on track
Do you know what his Dad actually did?
When in Melb he spoke to the club - it was around the time Barrett, Seteves & Caro said deal would be done before the finals
Think Caro has even wrote about it a coulple of weeks ago that is said the old man had gotten involved
Actually think someone on here in this thread even posted about the old man being seen leaving the ME Bank Centre ;D
Yeah but did he tell the club to up the offer?
No; not his place, made it clear kid wants to stay. Will leave it at that
Or tell his manager to pull his head in?
No idea but Would hope so but if he did it wouldn't have happened at Tiger HQ
Personally I'd be doing more than telling them to "pull their heads in" ;D
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Or tell his manager to pull his head in?
No idea but Would hope so but if he did it wouldn't have happened at Tiger HQ
Personally I'd be doing more than telling them to "pull their heads in" ;D
Yeah bout I doubt your as intimidating as his dad would be ;D
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Or :yeptell his manager to pull his head in?
No idea but Would hope so but if he did it wouldn't have happened at Tiger HQ
Personally I'd be doing more than telling them to "pull their heads in" ;D
Yeah bout I doubt your as intimidating as his dad would be ;D
You are correct, have met his Dad.....intimidating :yep and scary ;D
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
WGAF
:cheers
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
WGAF
:cheers
No one but its probably gonna be a slow offseason so we may as well talk shti ;D
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
WGAF
:cheers
No one but its probably gonna be a slow offseason so we may as well talk shti ;D
Fair enough.
I just wonder why WP has to tell us that he has information that he can't share?
Honestly, again...
WGAF
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
Whats his/her record like?
Hits vs misses?
Perhaps a pertinent time to list his/her previous calls
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
Sounds to me like MT = Chutney. :whistle ;D
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So, the Tigers have all these players still out of contract and there's been no news about any of them, except Nahas. Surely, they can't all be held up by Martin's negotiation, nor could they all be lined up for trade or delisting.
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Dea, Derickx, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, I.Maric, Martin, McGuane, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Tuck, White
Does Dan Richardson have a long queue at his door or what???
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So, the Tigers have all these players still out of contract and there's been no news about any of them, except Nahas. Surely, they can't all be held up by Martin's negotiation, nor could they all be lined up for trade or delisting.
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Dea, Derickx, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, I.Maric, Martin, McGuane, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Tuck, White
Does Dan Richardson have a long queue at his door or what???
Yeah and we were all told he was the guru??????
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Sounds to me like MT = Chutney. :whistle ;D
Nope MT isn't Chutney
But MT has met Chutney :) ;D
I just wonder why WP has to tell us that he has information that he can't share?
Honestly, again...
WGAF
Probably for the same reason you keep posting about Abbott, for no particular reason. Why not?
But thank you 1965 for the reminder
Embargo back on at 8.29pm Saturday 14th September 2014 ;D
;D ;D
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
Sounds to me like MT = Chutney. :whistle ;D
;D
Nah as WP said I'm not Chutney ;D.
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So, the Tigers have all these players still out of contract and there's been no news about any of them, except Nahas. Surely, they can't all be held up by Martin's negotiation, nor could they all be lined up for trade or delisting.
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Dea, Derickx, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, I.Maric, Martin, McGuane, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Tuck, White
Does Dan Richardson have a long queue at his door or what???
Tucky has retired so that's one less. Aside from Dusty, Conca and perhaps big Ivan, the rest of those staying you wouldn't expect are demanding a larger chunk of the salary cap.
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Ivan still has a year to run.
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So, the Tigers have all these players still out of contract and there's been no news about any of them, except Nahas. Surely, they can't all be held up by Martin's negotiation, nor could they all be lined up for trade or delisting.
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Dea, Derickx, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, I.Maric, Martin, McGuane, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Tuck, White
Does Dan Richardson have a long queue at his door or what???
Maric, Martin, White and Conca are the only players getting a regular game.
White and Maric will sign - there is no doubting that. If Conca or Martin choose to leave I will back the club to complete a decent trade.
Tuck retired, Nahas up for trade so no point signing him now
Derickx, O'Hanlon are gone
Dea, Edwars, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, Batch, Mcguane are dispensable so wgaf - no doubt some will stay and some will go from this group but care factor?
Arnott will be peanuts to keep at this stage so really no hurry
Nothing to see here, move on....
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So, the Tigers have all these players still out of contract and there's been no news about any of them, except Nahas. Surely, they can't all be held up by Martin's negotiation, nor could they all be lined up for trade or delisting.
2013: Arnot, Batchelor, Conca, Dea, Derickx, A.Edwards, Elton, Griffiths, Helbig, I.Maric, Martin, McGuane, Nahas, O'Hanlon, Tuck, White
Does Dan Richardson have a long queue at his door or what???
Maric is sigend for 2014
But outside of that, with the FA period and trade week coming up you aren't going to sign blokes that you are open to trading or those you are going to de-list. Also player review meetings were only last Wed & Thurs
Exclude Conca & Martin and the de-list group Tuck (ret), Derickx Nahas and perhaps O'Hanlon others are tradeable (not saying they will be traded just saying they are likely available for the right deal) so you wouldn't be signing them yet.
And BTW McGuane is a FA so there is a good chance he's said he wants to test the market.
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I reckon Chutney should be forced out for leaking information. Disgraceful human being.
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Latest idiotic rumour from BF's main board:
"Heard from a reliable source that Martin has a huge offer from Collingwood and is expected to be traded to Collingwood in a three way deal with GWS."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/martin-to-collingwood.1032206/
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Why post idiotic rumours? We get enough from Bojangles 'mail'
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Latest idiotic rumour from BF's main board:
"Heard from a reliable source that Martin has a huge offer from Collingwood and is expected to be traded to Collingwood in a three way deal with GWS."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/martin-to-collingwood.1032206/
What a funny joke!
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
Sounds to me like MT = Chutney. :whistle ;D
thats exactly what this sounds like ;D
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
Sounds to me like MT = Chutney. :whistle ;D
thats exactly what this sounds like ;D
Absolutely not true MT IS NOT Chutney
which BTW MT has confirmed
So are you suggesting MT is telling porkies
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The key questions that have to be asked this summer in OER is this - "Does Chutney Exist or is he just a figment of WP's imagination?" Does WP need to produce evidence of the Chutney existence? Or is WP just taking the pee with Chutney just being a gimmick? Who is Chutney? And how come slobbo or any of the other footy scribes have never mentioned Chutney? Is Chutney a dodgy Socialist who voted Labor? And if Chutney does exist how do we know he's a Richmond man and not a Carlton supporting dog? We want answers! ;D
Chutney is the footy oracle. Chutney is to footy and OER what Deep Throat was to Watergate and the Washington Post. WP meeting Chutney is like the scene from the opening credits of 'Get Smart'. Chutney is the phantom of an enigma tied up in a riddle. No one dares question the word of Chutney! Ye of little faith, Ramps ;D.
Sounds to me like MT = Chutney. :whistle ;D
thats exactly what this sounds like ;D
Absolutely not true MT IS NOT Chutney
which BTW MT has confirmed
So are you suggesting MT is telling porkies
Nup Im just suggesting that I answered or replied to a previous post without first reading all the posts to the end of the thread. Chutney needs to show himself ;D
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Nup Im just suggesting that I answered or replied to a previous post without first reading all the posts to the end of the thread. Chutney needs to show himself ;D
Chutney doesn't do social media or forums, too old, just uses the old "dog 'n' bone" to communicate
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perhaps chutney is snuffaluffagus?
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Someone give me a good reason why I shouldn't report you blokes to the mods for posting off topic garbage about some redsack?
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>:( back on topic please
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SOMEONE JUST TELL US WILL DUSTY BE AT TIGERLAND NEXT YEAR?
I WILL HAVE TO TELL MY YOUNG BLOKE, WHO WILL BE SHATTERED, IF HE IS MOVING ON!
:banghead
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He either will or he won't be
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He either will or he won't be
He's a 50/50 chance at this stage.
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Flip a coin
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An each way bet...
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Tommy Waterhouse will give you your money back if he hasn't re-signed by half time of the grand final
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In the words of Graeme Wood when calling for a quick single
"Yes, No, Wait, No, No, Yes, Waiting, Waiting....."
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Wood was my favourite player
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In the words of Graeme Wood when calling for a quick single
"Yes, No, Wait, No, No, Yes, Waiting, Waiting....."
:lol
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Dusty Martin was seen Saturday at Windy Hill watching Aberfieldie play in the GF supporting his best mates Dan Conners & Tom Hislop looked very relaxed & on his best behaviour of course!! Choco & McBean by side.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-discussions.1027419/page-63#post-30165088
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The Richmond Football Club has been advised by Dustin Martin and his management of their desire to pursue offers from other clubs.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-to-pursue-other-offers
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Might as well post the enitre thing
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Martin to pursue other offers
Exclusive to richmondfc.com.au 11:22am AEST Monday, September 16, 2013
The Richmond Football Club has been advised by Dustin Martin and his management of their desire to pursue offers from other clubs.
The decision comes after months of negotiations, and despite being close to reaching agreement, the advice has been that Dustin wants to consider other options.
“Given the considerable effort we have put into Dustin’s development both on and off the field, and our efforts to retain him all season, we are extremely disappointed with this decision,” Richmond General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson said.
“We are proud of the way Dustin has developed as a footballer, and as a person, in his time at Richmond, and we have been steadfast in our view that he is a required player who has an exciting football career ahead of him.
“However, we understand the business of football, and Dustin’s right to pursue other opportunities.
“We have also stated previously that we are determined to adhere to our payment strategy for all of our players, many of whom have already committed to the Club and its future direction during the 2013 season.”
The Club won’t be making any further comment.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-to-pursue-other-offers
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Have to say didn't see that coming
obviously a week is a long, or perhaps a weekend is a very long time
Suppose agreeing to terms and putting pen to paper are massively different things
I was always taught you give you word on something then that's as good as a signature
Time to get on the phones ;D
Poor decision by Dusty with no great surprise from his management
More disappointed in his old man to be honest
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Pies bound i reckon.
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Money hungry bastard. What an evil act after everything we've done for him.
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Pies bound i reckon.
He'll fix that culture :D
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Manager? Why you not happy with his old man?
Oh and I thought we weren't meant to post full articles
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Manager? Why you not happy with his old man?
Oh and I thought we weren't meant to post full articles
On your last sentence you are correct but in this case I don't give a crap. No point in posting only a part of it
And regarding your first question. His manager has been manouvering for more $$$$ since day dot. I gave you the analogy about the maserati and the Commodore. His manager promised the kid a fortune rather than concentrating on what's in the kids best interest.
As for his father - read my previous post line 4 and take it from there
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Early 80s all over again.
Pies get out the chequebook when Richmond are travelling well.
The fear of the rising Tiger strikes again.
Let's just hope we keep our feet on the ground this time.
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Martin for Grundy and we might have a deal
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AFL web-site saying Martin has "Quit the Tigers"
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picks 10 & 11 thanks pies.
what an ungrateful ahole.
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Might not be such a bad thing to see him leave. Comes packaged with a lot of issues that seem to need extensive managing to keep under control and now frees us up cash-wise to chase a mid who fits with the culture we're trying to build. Glad the club has held fast over this - sends a very clear and strong message to the whole list and their blood-sucking management teams.
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Effing son of a you-know-what.
Dark day today
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If only Craig Cameron were here. Then we could trade him to Port for pick 48 and Matt Thomas and most here would consider it a masterstroke.
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Send him where the money is, that's what he wants.
GWS can give us Pick 1 and Adams for Martin and our 2nd rounder.
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Disappointed the club couldn't maintain him.
I hope we get a good trade and he get effing smashed to pieces when we play his new club
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the problem is the RFC. The same deal with aboriginal guys we have drafted over the years. We are a fair dinkum useless.
we will get bent over whatever we do.
grundy hahahaha your dreaming
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Send him where the money is, that's what he wants.
GWS can give us Pick 1 and Adams for Martin and our 2nd rounder.
What kind of fantasy is this?
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Not the worst thing for RFC as i think his disposal really hurts the team at times and we will be well compensated for him. MUST SIGN UP CONCA!
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Send him where the money is, that's what he wants.
GWS can give us Pick 1 and Adams for Martin and our 2nd rounder.
What kind of fantasy is this?
The fantasy of silly season, get with it ::)
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Martin quits Richmond
By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
12:14pm AEST Monday, September 16, 2013
The shock decision "to pursue offers from other clubs" has come after months of negotiations between Richmond and the 22-year-old midfielder.
The Tigers had been confident of retaining Martin but were unwilling to shift from their long-term player payment strategy to secure him.
Football manager Dan Richardson told richmondfc.com.au he was very disappointed with the decision.
"Given the considerable effort we have put into Dustin’s development both on and off the field, and our efforts to retain him all season, we are extremely disappointed with this decision," he said.
Martin played 86 games and kicked 90 goals in four years with Richmond.
He was third in the club best and fairest in 2011, and many clubs will be interested in securing his services.
Greater Western Sydney is an obvious possible destination and clubs such as Carlton and Essendon may also be interested.
The Giants chased Martin during 2011 but no club has publicly expressed its desire to pursue him this season.
Dynamic on the field, he has learned many lessons off the field as the Tigers tried to provide structure to his life.
Richardson said the club was proud of the way Martin had developed as a footballer and person at Richmond but they respected his right to pursue other opportunities.
Martin's manager Ralph Carr declined to comment when contacted by AFL.com.au
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-quits-tigers
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Send him where the money is, that's what he wants.
GWS can give us Pick 1 and Adams for Martin and our 2nd rounder.
What kind of fantasy is this?
The fantasy of silly season, get with it ::)
::)
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Trade him to whoever offers the most. Stuff his preferences.
He probably wants GWS anyway.
Smash him when we play him again. Knock him clean out.
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Not the worst thing for RFC as i think his disposal really hurts the team at times and we will be well compensated for him. MUST SIGN UP CONCA!
Not really
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Very 'f' ing disappointing Richmond.....
He will be missed and we will be waiting again!!!!!!!
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Not the worst thing for RFC as i think his disposal really hurts the team at times and we will be well compensated for him. MUST SIGN UP CONCA!
Oh comeon
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
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Disappointing, but a long, long way from the end of the world
martin and our first pick for adams and pick 1 is approaching a realistic deal IMO
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Disappointing, but a long, long way from the end of the world
martin and our first pick for adams and pick 1 is approaching a realistic deal IMO
you think so Al?
perhaps Patton not pick 1 more realistic if Bud heads over.
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Super P'ed off at this. We invested so much time in him and stuck with him when he was giving the club a bad name and this is how he repays us? We better get something bloody good for him. Will hurt our midfield alot.
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
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Disappointed if he does leave but if he does leave it will give us more cap space to keep our other potential stars such as Conca.
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Not even going to wish him well. Can go and get eff'd.
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Pick 1 is a possibility, if Martin only cares about the money and not the club, then if Melbourne are offering pick 2, GWS will have to offer pick 1.
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Dustin Martin tells Richmond he wants to pursue offers from other clubs
Al Paton
From: News Limited Network
September 16, 2013 12:20PM
DUSTIN Martin is set to leave Richmond to take a big-money offer from a rival club.
The Tigers revealed today that the club has been advised by Martin and his management "of their desire to pursue offers from other clubs".
The Tigers and Martin were reportedly close to a deal on a new contract but Martin baulked at the club's latest offer.
The explosive midfielder/forward was on an estimated $450,000 this season and the club's offer was believed to be about $500,000 a season.
Martin is not a free agent so Richmond will have to do a deal with another club to secure a move.
The Tigers also have the option of forcing Martin into the draft, where GWS has the No.1 pick.
Martin was taken with pick three in the 2009 national draft and has played 86 matches.
His move means two of the top three picks in that draft have left their original team, following No.1 selection Tom Scully's defection from Melbourne.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-tells-richmond-he-wants-to-pursue-offers-from-other-clubs/story-fnfll94y-1226720108583
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Disappointing, but a long, long way from the end of the world
martin and our first pick for adams and pick 1 is approaching a realistic deal IMO
you think so Al?
perhaps Patton not pick 1 more realistic if Bud heads over.
yeah i reckon it gets near. patton himself was a pick 1 and has a couple of years development under his belt. the downside is his injury history though.
buddy alone would be worth pick 1 and adams
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Smash him when we play him again. Knock him clean out.
Hopefully he goes off the rails before he gets a game with his new team.
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If he wants to go to GWS then he can walk for free and we might easily end up with nothing.
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
WGAF? why would we care about testing his character if he leaves? no longer our problem so he be as big a stuff up as he wants.
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You only want people playing for you that want to be there.
If he feels he will be better off somewhere else good luck.
We cried in the late 90's and early 00's when blokes like Daffy, Holland etc were getting overs for playing mediocre footy and the year they were up for contract renewal they had decent seasons.
The kid as great as his potential is given his frame of mind will always be a very good player but not an elite player. It's not sour grapes it's the baggage he carries.
I am quite proud the club stood by its convictions and did not cater to his whim and stood by the mantra that the club is bigger than the player. We could be looking at this and saying this was the moment the club took the next step.
I am not blaming the club for this. Kudos to them for having the balls. We'll get compensated and life moves on as it stops for no one. Focus on keeping Conca and then we can move on to next years list management. Next.
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Dustbin Matin it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more lose cannon and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
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Agree smokey, if we have to deal with GWS we wont get a very good deal, they'll offer us token swaps.
Just racking my brain and the best scenario I can come up with is Pies lose daisy and have picks 10 and 11. I'd take those picks for Dusty and think its a fair deal. 3 picks in the top 12 would be fantastic
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What did Melbourne receive for Scully again. I would hope we can get a similar deal via trade.
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Brad Otten$ the II.
Du$tin Martin. That name will now forever be mud.
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The onus is back on the club now to Persue the best possible offer!
This could end up being a win for us if its handled correctly. If he ends up walking to the PSD it will be a stuffing disgrace!!
It would be nice to somehow trade for PSD pick #1! That would put some pressure back on him ;D
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Wasnt going to show at B & F
Is boasting about taking his mates to Rihanna concert on same night and going back stage
Interesting person is Dustin Martin
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What did Melbourne receive for Scully again. I would hope we can get a similar deal via trade.
Melbourne got special compensation for losing a player to the new franchise, just like all other sides that lost players to them did at the time. That compo is no longer available, so we just have to make sure we get the best deal possible by trading
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grundy hahahaha your dreaming
I know it won't happen but that would be a fair trade
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What did Melbourne receive for Scully again. I would hope we can get a similar deal via trade.
Melbourne got special compensation for losing a player to the new franchise, just like all other sides that lost players to them did at the time. That compo is no longer available, so we just have to make sure we get the best deal possible by trading
I know thats why I said hopefully we can get a similar deal via trade. I can't remember the compensation picks they received though.
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grundy hahahaha your dreaming
I know it won't happen but that would be a fair trade
fair enough
in order to gain something descent out of this we will need more than 2 parties wanting him
if left to GWS alone we are royally screwed as has been suggested.
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
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Be hilarious if he backflips again, changes his mind (again) and decides to stay :rollin
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What did Melbourne receive for Scully again. I would hope we can get a similar deal via trade.
Melbourne got special compensation for losing a player to the new franchise, just like all other sides that lost players to them did at the time. That compo is no longer available, so we just have to make sure we get the best deal possible by trading
I know thats why I said hopefully we can get a similar deal via trade. I can't remember the compensation picks they received though.
2 1st rounders from memory.
Think we can get the same from the pies if they lose daisy and get the expected 1st round compo for him
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Wasnt going to show at B & F
Is boasting about taking his mates to Rihanna concert on same night and going back stage
Interesting person is Dustin Martin
I believe that. On his twitter page he has a photo of his Rihanna tix for the concert on that night.
Knew what he was doing all along. >:(
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Be hilarious if he backflips again, changes his mind (again) and decides to stay :rollin
For 350k as punishment :p
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
Regardless he is now a flog for mine. Have zero respect for him. Tosser
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
not me. i think we will take a back step next year. the guy is a proven match winner and unless we obtain a deal like Al has suggested we will be worse off.
i think we have failed somewhere along the lines here. No one really knows for a fact its only go to do with money because 500k or 550 is not much difference and i cant see GWS offering north of that.
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Brad Otten$ the II.
Du$tin Martin. That name will now forever be mud.
Lets hope if we have four picks in the top 20 they all count for the right reasons. :thumbsup
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True that GWS have the threat of the PSD in their corner in terms of negotiations, but they have to tread warily. IF they get a reputation of being total arsewipes at the trade table then it may come back to bite them when they start losing some of their kids that want to return home in the next few years.
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Brad Otten$ the II.
Du$tin Martin. That name will now forever be mud.
Lets hope if we have four picks in the top 20 they all count for the right reasons. :thumbsup
lmao fab 5
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Noticed him uploading a picture of watching his old mate Daniel playing footy the other day. Perhaps he is sick of richmond controlling his social life too much ? ie not being able to see connors.
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Dustbin Matin it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more lose cannon and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
Disagree. The leadership group should shovel as much alcohol as humanly possible down his throat and encourage him to do stupid things after the event. :whistle
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Noticed him uploading a picture of watching his old mate Daniel playing footy the other day. Perhaps he is sick of richmond controlling his social life too much ? ie not being able to see connors.
He'll fit in at the Carringbush. Will join Swanny and co replacing Didak in the rat pack.
Straight swap. Martin for Thomas and the Pies first round pick too. I'm effin dreamin. :lol :rollin :lol
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Can dusty opt for the PSD and we don't get an opportunity to trade him?
Or can he only go PSD if we can't get a trade?
Get the best deal. If GWS won't deal then somebody else will.
Must move heaven and earth to try to get pick 1 now.
Martin can F off and stay away from the B&F. They should scrap his votes and not sit with him at the Brownlow too if he goes (pussy probably won't). Treat him with utter contempt from now.
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Interestingly on the radio they were talking yesterday how none of the other clubs are all that keen. Wouldn't it be funny if he had no where to go. We can offer him 50k :lol
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Dustbin Matin it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more lose cannon and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
Disagree. The leadership group should shovel as much alcohol as humanly possible down his throat and encourage him to do stupid things after the event. :whistle
He'll be at the Rihanna concert. He is walking out without looking back to see if the door is closed behind him. That's fine life goes on for both parties.
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
Cannot see that happening now, so send him where the $ are and try get the best possible return we can. IF he wants out (reported he does) then the RFC needs to ensure they get the most they can for him.
Good on the club for sticking to their payment strategy (which should allow us to target free agents in future). No 1 player is bigger than the club. Yes it will hurt to lose Martin, but long term it will be a gain (not paying overs for anyone).
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The club needs to keep their mouth shut and show some class. Not mention anything about his off field issues. Like a proxy marriage you get what you are given. All parties benefit but like a father n law walking his daughter down the aisle she's yours and you inherit her DD's and any flaws she has in her character.As I said next.
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Dustbin Matin it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more lose cannon and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
Disagree. The leadership group should shovel as much alcohol as humanly possible down his throat and encourage him to do stupid things after the event. :whistle
He'll be at the Rihanna concert. He is walking out without looking back to see if the door is closed behind him. That's fine life goes on for both parties.
:lol what a sissy. He's replaceable at his current level. Just have to cross everything he never fulfils his potential. :whistle
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If only Craig Cameron were here. Then we could trade him to Port for pick 48 and Matt Thomas and most here would consider it a masterstroke.
Craig would never have allowed this. Dusty would be sporting a bowl cut and sitting on 800 large.
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Can dusty opt for the PSD and we don't get an opportunity to trade him?
Or can he only go PSD if we can't get a trade?
Get the best deal. If GWS won't deal then somebody else will.
Must move heaven and earth to try to get pick 1 now.
Martin can F off and stay away from the B&F. They should scrap his votes and not sit with him at the Brownlow too if he goes (pussy probably won't). Treat him with utter contempt from now.
can only go to PSD if trade is not struck....the only way a player can go straight into PSD if they've been at a club for less than 7 years is if they get delisted or they delist themselves and club doesn't want them
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
not me. i think we will take a back step next year. the guy is a proven match winner and unless we obtain a deal like Al has suggested we will be worse off.
i think we have failed somewhere along the lines here. No one really knows for a fact its only go to do with money because 500k or 550 is not much difference and i cant see GWS offering north of that.
It could very well be more than money.
Id say he was not happy about being told not to hang around with connors.
What was the "jailhouse" salute all about?
was it a reference to feeling to constrained at richmond due to team rules?
just how involved with bikies is he? it was mentioned the other day that his old man is one. his old man often rings kingy to check on things and he himself is mates with a bikie clown himself. perhaps the club saying such people not being welcome was the last straw for him?
not saying this is the case, just spraying a bit of fuel around the fire.
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
not me. i think we will take a back step next year. the guy is a proven match winner and unless we obtain a deal like Al has suggested we will be worse off.
i think we have failed somewhere along the lines here. No one really knows for a fact its only go to do with money because 500k or 550 is not much difference and i cant see GWS offering north of that.
It could very well be more than money.
Id say he was not happy about being told not to hang around with connors.
What was the "jailhouse" salute all about?
was it a reference to feeling to constrained at richmond due to team rules?
just how involved with bikies is he? it was mentioned the other day that his old man is one. his old man often rings kingy to check on things and he himself is mates with a bikie clown himself. perhaps the club saying such people not being welcome was the last straw for him?
not saying this is the case, just spraying a bit of fuel around the fire.
dont think he is that smart, really
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I'd speculate that seeing the RFC website has posted an article about it, that he has an offer in front of him from another club for more than we will pay. Would imagine the club that has made the offer will be known sooner rather than later.
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Can someone clarify for me what are our trading rights regarding an out of contract player like Martin? Do we get a compo pick or do we have to try and match other offers or can he just walk to whoever gives him the coin with nothing for us or is this the case only if he slips to the PSD?
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no compo from what i understand.
we deal with all clubs now or he could nominate the GWS then we are royally screwed as they can take him for free.
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We will never know the full truth al and unfair to speculate but given the help the club has given him would have thought that the club deserved better from him. What you want and what you get is two entirely different things. Club needs to manouevure and ensure it gets the best deal for itself and to use a Martin term "pursue its interests".
Rather than be vitriolic and waste my time he has gone and I'll invest my time to the bloke that replaces him on the list and his 41 other mates.
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Can dusty opt for the PSD and we don't get an opportunity to trade him?
Or can he only go PSD if we can't get a trade?
Get the best deal. If GWS won't deal then somebody else will.
Must move heaven and earth to try to get pick 1 now.
Martin can F off and stay away from the B&F. They should scrap his votes and not sit with him at the Brownlow too if he goes (pussy probably won't). Treat him with utter contempt from now.
can only go to PSD if trade is not struck....the only way a player can go straight into PSD if they've been at a club for less than 7 years is if they get delisted or they delist themselves and club doesn't want them
In that case he'll never make it to the PSD. We'll get something for him
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Martin is 22 - born Age: June 26, 1991
if we lose him for free ala Luke Ball that'd be shyte
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
not me. i think we will take a back step next year. the guy is a proven match winner and unless we obtain a deal like Al has suggested we will be worse off.
i think we have failed somewhere along the lines here. No one really knows for a fact its only go to do with money because 500k or 550 is not much difference and i cant see GWS offering north of that.
It could very well be more than money.
Id say he was not happy about being told not to hang around with connors.
What was the "jailhouse" salute all about?
was it a reference to feeling to constrained at richmond due to team rules?
just how involved with bikies is he? it was mentioned the other day that his old man is one. his old man often rings kingy to check on things and he himself is mates with a bikie clown himself. perhaps the club saying such people not being welcome was the last straw for him?
not saying this is the case, just spraying a bit of fuel around the fire.
probably not far off the mark
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What was the "jailhouse" salute all about?
A "cheerio" to one of his Dad's mates in jail
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And BTW the Age now reporting he hasn't quit per se but told the Club he is looking at other options and this means he "may leave Richmond"
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Bikies built this club. If the RFC has turned their back on them, they need to have a good hard look at themselves. Disgraceful.
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No need for guesssing what the lead story on AFL360, Footy Classified and Talking Footy is going to be tonight ;D
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With Martin officially on the table maybe we'll get some serious offers. If several clubs are keen we might get something juicy and he might accept one of them meaning he won't have to go somewhere he really really doesn't want to go.
If we couldn't get pick 1 if be keen on Patton especially if we could work something out on top for Adams too.
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What was the "jailhouse" salute all about?
A "cheerio" to one of his Dad's mates in jail
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And BTW the Age now reporting he hasn't quit per se but told the Club he is looking at other options and this means he "may leave Richmond"
Apt we gave him number 4 just like Geoff Raines all those years ago after a finals loss he may end up at Collingwood.
Next year I'm hoping the club give Titch number 4. :lol :rollin :lol
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Can someone clarify for me what are our trading rights regarding an out of contract player like Martin? Do we get a compo pick or do we have to try and match other offers or can he just walk to whoever gives him the coin with nothing for us or is this the case only if he slips to the PSD?
He hasn't been playing at the club long enough to be a free agent or even a restricted free agent so he cant just walk to the club of his choice like Buddy can for more money.
As it is, we have given him an offer that is lower than he's willing to accept and thus wants to go elsewhere for more $$. Once he finds the club opf choice its up to us to try and make a trade work with that club. If we fail to come to a resolution he can walk to the PSD and we get nada and he may end up at the club he doesn't want to go to.
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With Martin officially on the table maybe we'll get some serious offers. If several clubs are keen we might get something juicy and he might accept one of them meaning he won't have to go somewhere he really really doesn't want to go.
If we couldn't get pick 1 if be keen on Patton especially if we could work something out on top for Adams too.
How bad is Patton's knee? How has his rehab gone? Find it fishy they are willing to give up a pick 1 unless they think Boyd will be better. We need to tread carefully too and not just accept an offer on a horses for courses basis. We need to look into getting what we need in return.
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Just heard on the radio the ferals are starting to gather at Punt Road ala the Ben Cousins night, gonna try and force the club to sign him ;D
Ahh Tigers
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From the Age:
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Dustin Martin open to offers
DateSeptember 16, 2013 2119
Michael Gleeson
Sports Writer for The Age
Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin has told the club he wants to chase a better deal somewhere else and may quit the club.
The Tigers expressed their extreme disappointment in the midfielder’s decision, pointedly observing how much help they had given him off the field and the lengths they had gone to keep him.
Martin informed the club Monday he intended to "pursue other opportunities". He is out of contract but is not a free agent.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-open-to-offers-20130916-2tu2q.html#ixzz2f1YeDukW
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From the Age:
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Dustin Martin open to offers
DateSeptember 16, 2013 2119
Michael Gleeson
Sports Writer for The Age
Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin has told the club he wants to chase a better deal somewhere else and may quit the club.
The Tigers expressed their extreme disappointment in the midfielder’s decision, pointedly observing how much help they had given him off the field and the lengths they had gone to keep him.
Martin informed the club Monday he intended to "pursue other opportunities". He is out of contract but is not a free agent.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-open-to-offers-20130916-2tu2q.html#ixzz2f1YeDukW
I just finished talking to a friend about this too!
AFL website says he has quit while the Age says he may quit.
Still seems bad to me. I guess technically he can't quit since he is not a free agent and still can be traded. Quitting will entail nominating for the ND and/or PSD.
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Whats the old saying, who wants a player who is looking at being somewhere else. If he doesn't want to be with the Tigers then we really shouldn't want him. I have watched dusty closely all season and there was a real lull in his performance between rounds 8-15 and after that you could tell he was playing for currency value as the next 3 rounds he had 3 x 30+ disposal games in a row. I think this was the time he realised he had to pull his finger out if he was going to be able to demand the big bucks somewhere else.
If he wants to move on then good luck to him but I certainly don't want a player at our club who would actually prefer to be somewhere else. I just hope we can get a suitable replacement (ala Adams) to fill his place.
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Jon Ralph's take. Interesting
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Dustin Martin a wild child, but also a huge talent and will be a huge loss to Richmond
by: Jon Ralph
•From: Herald Sun
•September 16, 2013 12:54PM
ANALYSIS:
DUSTIN Martin is almost certainly gone from Richmond, and it is difficult to know what to think.
Is it the blow to Richmond's midfield that will put their premiership hopes back years?
Or have they dodged a bullet, moving on a player who was only one big weekend or controversy away from disaster?
The gut feel is that we will only know when Richmond is compensated for the loss of a former pick three who is about to explode as a player.
If the Tigers could acquire Melbourne's pick two given the likely interest of Paul Roos, it is a body blow, but not a fatal one.
If Martin decides he will march into the pre-season draft to be picked up by GWS, it is a disaster on a grand scale.
His slashing first half against Carlton showed the player he will become as a 25-year-old when he develops a tank: a tough inside-ball monster who can finish and run and carry, and just about do it all.
For so long this contract saga has been a case of high-level brinkmanship and nothing more.
Richmond was prepared to pay $500,000 a year for a player already coming off a big deal, and his manager Ralph Carr wanted $600,000.
Carr shopped him around to all and sundry, and the rivals refused to bite, so sure were they that he would stay.
But now that he has officially told Richmond he wants to consider other options, it is hard to know how he stays at Punt Rd.
Could this just be Richmond biting back hard, happily releasing the news to call Martin’s bluff?
Perhaps, but if it is just a tactic it has plenty of risk associated with it.
Now all of those rivals who believed he was never really leaving will now seriously consider him.
Why wouldn't Carlton decide that they could get him and Dale Thomas, and transform their midfield?
Why wouldn't Paul Roos decide he is the man to turn Martin around?
Why wouldn't GWS say that they are prepared to take a risk on a wild child, especially given inside midfielder Taylor Adams will be heading back to Melbourne?
As far back as last November the Herald Sun reported that the club continued to counsel him about his erratic behaviour, warning him that he would not be contracted again if he failed to knuckle down.
The Tigers were worried about the company he kept, the repeated late-night sightings, and the total lack of contrition when the club pulled him in to discipline him.
But he was seen to have pulled his head in, seen to have concentrated hard on devoting himself to a professional lifestyle.
The only good news for Richmond is that his brilliant season will only increase his trade value.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-a-wild-child-but-also-a-huge-talent-and-will-be-a-huge-loss-to-richmond/story-fn69a32t-1226720135922
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MAY Leave, come on boys get in his ear!!!!
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
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What ever Dustin....don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Proved what a dumbass he was with the ridiculous "jailbird" salute.
I remember Micheal Gardiner did the same thing ....a year latter the former # 1 draft pick was sacked by WCE.
Reckon Martin might suffer the same fate one day.
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Just heard on the radio the ferals are starting to gather at Punt Road ala the Ben Cousins night, gonna try and force the club to sign him ;D
Ahh Tigers
That would be embarrassing :-[
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Pick 1 and nothing else for THAT DOG!
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Just heard on the radio the ferals are starting to gather at Punt Road ala the Ben Cousins night, gonna try and force the club to sign him ;D
Ahh Tigers
That would be embarrassing :-[
Agree we have grown so much on and off the field. Acts like these just reflect badly on the club and its supporters given the positivity we have had this season. Real morons.
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
Yep, considering they have 3 x number 1 picks, Judd and a plethora of other 1st round picks...
Dockers are the same, full of guns and yet always have the capacity to go for a big signing.
or maybe we've just been very bad at this game and pay the bottom end of our list too much?
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As much as I loved dusty, we needed to make this stand as a club. He is asking way overs for where he is at.
Let's hope this is a watershed Geelong moment, adding to that if he doesn't want to be at Richmond then f him.
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
I reckon we are not. I reckon we are well under but the club is banking on, on field success and therefore increased $$$ to players as real on field success occurs. Top 4, GF, Flags. Club has a plan and is not budging and Dusty's manager knows this but is looking to get his hands on these $$$ before the success.
As I have mentioned I applaud the club on not budging its stance and I believe not doing so will be a reason why we will actually succeed on field over the next few years. See ya later Dusty.
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Gee some fairly ordinary comments coming through on this thread. And you question his character :wallywink
If he goes, we need to do a good deal, simple as that.
If he walks into the PSD, it isn't ideal but not the end of the world. It's happened to plenty of other clubs and they've bounced back.
Lets wait and see what happens chicken littles
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
Yep, considering they have 3 x number 1 picks, Judd and a plethora of other 1st round picks...
Dockers are the same, full of guns and yet always have the capacity to go for a big signing.
or maybe we've just been very bad at this game and pay the bottom end of our list too much?
yep
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Many people bag Jack as being selfish yet he signed up for less than he could get on the open market. Cotch re signed for less than his value also, imo. These are the guys we want at our club and the culture will be better for it. Maybe now we will have one less stimulus for controversy at our club.I am bitterly disappointed at his decision but it may be a blessing in disguise .
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
Yep, considering they have 3 x number 1 picks, Judd and a plethora of other 1st round picks...
Dockers are the same, full of guns and yet always have the capacity to go for a big signing.
or maybe we've just been very bad at this game and pay the bottom end of our list too much?
I'm hoping this eventually levels out as some of the overpaid hacks (had to pay them to make the cap) take their deserved pay cuts or get delisted.
Or as the Don says, it's not really as bad as the reporters make out
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Disappointing, really disappointing. :'( He will be a big loss if he goes because he is extremely damaging by foot particularly when he opens up the field. His fitness has been an issue and so has his off-field behavior which is why I still think he will stay but his loyalty is now severely in question regardless.
If he does leave GWS is where we should steer him if possible. We could bundle up Adams and maybe swap our first round draft picks or swap their second late first round pick for our second. Otherwise we would need to secure any clubs first pick and use that to get Adams at minimum.
The worst thing is that still leaves Conca up in the air and if he goes weakens our midfield overall instead of strengthening it :(
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
Has nothing to do with salary cap being near 100%, not sure where this has been reported but it is not true?
It's been stated many times by the RFC that they will not deviate from their payment strategy model (the same Geelong use). Purpose of this is that they don't have any 1 player getting paid massive amounts and that we can stay competitive in free agency etc. Also ensures there is room for payments to the developing players when they come good to pay them more.
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With Martin officially on the table maybe we'll get some serious offers. If several clubs are keen we might get something juicy and he might accept one of them meaning he won't have to go somewhere he really really doesn't want to go.
If we couldn't get pick 1 if be keen on Patton especially if we could work something out on top for Adams too.
How bad is Patton's knee? How has his rehab gone? Find it fishy they are willing to give up a pick 1 unless they think Boyd will be better. We need to tread carefully too and not just accept an offer on a horses for courses basis. We need to look into getting what we need in return.
That's a great question and I guess it would come down to the medical before finalising a trade. His first knee job was precautionary, the second was a freak injury that could happen to any player. So I'm not of the belief it's chronic ala Menzel at Geelong. I just don't see how the Giants could trade pick 1 to anyone as they have dibs on any player they want in the PSD. A player like Martin putting 700-800k on their head wouldn't deter them at all I don't think and that might make clubs like West Coast (seen on FB and stuff saying he met with people over there?), Saints, Pies and anyone chuck offers at us like Melbourne did at Clarke. We might get some overs if a club knows they'll lose him otherwise. Even 10 and 11 from Colligwood could be handy if it snares us both Longer and Adams. This just might be the best thing to happen to us.
But I've never been good and predicting any of this stuff so just another nuffie with a ridiculous suggestion :lol
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Send him where the money is, that's what he wants.
GWS can give us Pick 1 and Adams for Martin and our 2nd rounder.
you do realise if he chooses gws they get him for nothing.we force him to the draft what do they do use pick 1. we are over a barrell and i reckon its going to hurt one helluva lot.
lets hope the player himself insists we get some sort of reasonable compensation.
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GWS have stated that pick 1 is on the table.they want an experienced player.
martin may not be what they had in mind originally, but he is only a few years off and already has the body/strength they want in their midfield
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Robbo on SEN doesn't believe it's about money (difference isn't that great) or outside factors. He mentioned it's "football related". Club and Dusty/management had heavy discussions yesterday and it's broken down.
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
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If Martin nominates GWS as the club he wants to go to then we will certainly loose bargaining power but I doubt they would force him into the PSD. If he chooses a club above us on the ladder that will certainly help our case. Either way I think a fair and reasonable deal can be struck with any team. The minimum of a first round pick plus an established player would get it done.
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Robbo on SEN doesn't believe it's about money (difference isn't that great) or outside factors. He mentioned it's "football related". Club and Dusty/management had heavy discussions yesterday and it's broken down.
Wants to sleep over at the CEOs house 4 days week
Club only saying two day p week
Negotiations broken down
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Robbo on SEN doesn't believe it's about money (difference isn't that great) or outside factors. He mentioned it's "football related". Club and Dusty/management had heavy discussions yesterday and it's broken down.
Got the feeling it has to do with club rules. Dan Connors may still be screwing us years after he has left!
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Robbo on SEN doesn't believe it's about money (difference isn't that great) or outside factors. He mentioned it's "football related". Club and Dusty/management had heavy discussions yesterday and it's broken down.
its payback for the club delisting his dhead mate connors
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The Dusty memes are out there already ....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUQendQCEAAq8Hu.png)
https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/status/379461931985145857/photo/1
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If it wasn't about money he would have signed yonks ago.
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The Dusty memes are out there already ....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUQendQCEAAq8Hu.png)
https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/status/379461931985145857/photo/1
:lol
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Really dissapointing news .but I'm over Dusty holding the club ransom considering he owns the club so much for turinng his life around on the field and off it.No loyality at all.Do the best deal and chase Adams.Cats lost the best player the afl has seen in the last decade and won a flag a year later and a still up there challenging.No one is bigger then the club !!!!!!!!!!!.
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
Robbo wouldn't elaborate. He just said it's hard to see it's only about money as there's only a $50-70k difference which after tax would be $30k.
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
yeah, good questions.
If Martin nominates GWS as the club he wants to go to then we will certainly loose bargaining power but I doubt they would force him into the PSD. If he chooses a club above us on the ladder that will certainly help our case. Either way I think a fair and reasonable deal can be struck with any team. The minimum of a first round pick plus an established player would get it done.
yep, considering GWS pretty much gave us morris, and they instigated the deal, i think its a fair to assume they will not be out to screw us
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Sounds like we need to cut our losses here. He doesn't want to play by the rules and wants it all his way. Money, freedom, friends and his own way - reminding me of Troy Taylor and his house demands! I'm not sure we need a bloke like him around the club regardless. If we can get something like what we paid for him with draft picks then we need to jump on it imo
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As l posted you only get the truth :shh
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
yeah, good questions.
If Martin nominates GWS as the club he wants to go to then we will certainly loose bargaining power but I doubt they would force him into the PSD. If he chooses a club above us on the ladder that will certainly help our case. Either way I think a fair and reasonable deal can be struck with any team. The minimum of a first round pick plus an established player would get it done.
yep, considering GWS pretty much gave us morris, and they instigated the deal, i think its a fair to assume they will not be out to screw us
adding to that Sheeds is still there and he is a good man
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
Has nothing to do with salary cap being near 100%, not sure where this has been reported but it is not true?
It's been stated many times by the RFC that they will not deviate from their payment strategy model (the same Geelong use). Purpose of this is that they don't have any 1 player getting paid massive amounts and that we can stay competitive in free agency etc. Also ensures there is room for payments to the developing players when they come good to pay them more.
My post had nothing to do with us not paying Martin the 600k for salary cap issues, it was just a much broader statement about how reporters are saying we're near the cap and then suddenly Carlton seems to have a never ending cap
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
Doesn't like to chase
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He was never going to sign. He was always going to leave once his contract was up. He had no respect for the club.
Hope his breaks his leg & his next contract will be his last. ;D
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Many people bag Jack as being selfish yet he signed up for less than he could get on the open market. Cotch re signed for less than his value also, imo. These are the guys we want at our club and the culture will be better for it. Maybe now we will have one less stimulus for controversy at our club.I am bitterly disappointed at his decision but it may be a blessing in disguise .
Understand what you are saying and I agree with almost all of it bar the bit about Cotch. He is our highest paid player now and I don't think he took anything less than what he could have got on the open market. IMV the fact he only re-signed for 2 years rather than 4 and the comments he made about why it's only 2 years and being prepared to back himself in for a bigger deal in 2 years sort of confirmed that
But anyway it's not about Cotch it's about Dusty
The HUN reporting that Demon's Coach Paul Roos spoke to Carr a number of times last week
And can I say also (again) it will be hilarious if he changes his mind again and ends up staying
Actually interested to know how some people on here would feel about it?
People are whacking him (rightly) but what happens if by chance he ends up staying just like Rioli did back in the mid 1980's ( was going to the the Swans and changed his mind) or Campbell did in the 1990's
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
yeah, good questions.
If Martin nominates GWS as the club he wants to go to then we will certainly loose bargaining power but I doubt they would force him into the PSD. If he chooses a club above us on the ladder that will certainly help our case. Either way I think a fair and reasonable deal can be struck with any team. The minimum of a first round pick plus an established player would get it done.
yep, considering GWS pretty much gave us morris, and they instigated the deal, i think its a fair to assume they will not be out to screw us
adding to that Sheeds is still there and he is a good man
Leon Cameron is now the coach and a former Richmond player so that may help us too in negotiations.
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Many people bag Jack as being selfish yet he signed up for less than he could get on the open market. Cotch re signed for less than his value also, imo. These are the guys we want at our club and the culture will be better for it. Maybe now we will have one less stimulus for controversy at our club.I am bitterly disappointed at his decision but it may be a blessing in disguise .
Understand what you are saying and I agree with almost all of it bar the bit about Cotch. He is our highest paid player now and I don't think he took anything less than what he could have got on the open market. IMV the fact he only re-signed for 2 years rather than 4 and the comments he made about why it's only 2 years and being prepared to back himself in for a bigger deal in 2 years sort of confirmed that
But anyway it's not about Cotch it's about Dusty
The HUN reporting that Demon's Coach Paul Roos spoke to Carr a number of times last week
And can I say also (again) it will be hilarious if he changes his mind again and ends up staying
Actually interested to know how some people on here would feel about it?
People are whacking him (rightly) but what happens if by chance he ends up staying just like Rioli did back in the mid 1980's ( was going to the the Swans and changed his mind) or Campbell did in the 1990's
Still a tosser.
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Many people bag Jack as being selfish yet he signed up for less than he could get on the open market. Cotch re signed for less than his value also, imo. These are the guys we want at our club and the culture will be better for it. Maybe now we will have one less stimulus for controversy at our club.I am bitterly disappointed at his decision but it may be a blessing in disguise .
Understand what you are saying and I agree with almost all of it bar the bit about Cotch. He is our highest paid player now and I don't think he took anything less than what he could have got on the open market. IMV the fact he only re-signed for 2 years rather than 4 and the comments he made about why it's only 2 years and being prepared to back himself in for a bigger deal in 2 years sort of confirmed that
But anyway it's not about Cotch it's about Dusty
The HUN reporting that Demon's Coach Paul Roos spoke to Carr a number of times last week
And can I say also (again) it will be hilarious if he changes his mind again and ends up staying
Actually interested to know how some people on here would feel about it?
People are whacking him (rightly) but what happens if by chance he ends up staying just like Rioli did back in the mid 1980's ( was going to the the Swans and changed his mind) or Campbell did in the 1990's
Lost all respect for the flog. Has shown he has no honour and puts himself before the jumper(which is his prerogative fair enough) but he's lost me as a massive fan. If he left or stayed I honestly couldn't give a stuff now and would rather he did tbh. Not dealing with a full deck of cards
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Very disappointed if he leaves. Would be a real blow. Need to up offer.
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Gee this gets funnier by the minute ;D
AFL website have now changed their tune and removed the reference to having "quit" to:
DUSTIN Martin has told Richmond he will pursue offers from other clubs, raising the possibility he will leave the Tigers.
See: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-quits-tigers
Think we call it "hedging ones bets" :rollin
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Very disappointed if he leaves. Would be a real blow. Need to up offer.
No
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Many people bag Jack as being selfish yet he signed up for less than he could get on the open market. Cotch re signed for less than his value also, imo. These are the guys we want at our club and the culture will be better for it. Maybe now we will have one less stimulus for controversy at our club.I am bitterly disappointed at his decision but it may be a blessing in disguise .
Understand what you are saying and I agree with almost all of it bar the bit about Cotch. He is our highest paid player now and I don't think he took anything less than what he could have got on the open market. IMV the fact he only re-signed for 2 years rather than 4 and the comments he made about why it's only 2 years and being prepared to back himself in for a bigger deal in 2 years sort of confirmed that
But anyway it's not about Cotch it's about Dusty
The HUN reporting that Demon's Coach Paul Roos spoke to Carr a number of times last week
And can I say also (again) it will be hilarious if he changes his mind again and ends up staying
Actually interested to know how some people on here would feel about it?
People are whacking him (rightly) but what happens if by chance he ends up staying just like Rioli did back in the mid 1980's ( was going to the the Swans and changed his mind) or Campbell did in the 1990's
Lost all respect for the flog. Has shown he has no honour and puts himself before the jumper(which is his prerogative fair enough) but he's lost me as a massive fan. If he left I honestly couldn't give a stuff and would rather he did. Not dealing with a full deck of cards
Dustin Martin = malakies.
Sadly as you put it Tone not dealing with a full deck of cards.
Irony is if he ends up at Melb and we were laughing when Scully left.
Pick 2 and the priority pick is on the table for us. :yep
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He could very well end up staying if his dad wasn't aware of his latest move :rollin
I have no problem with him staying IF it is for the clubs original offer. Doesn't change the fact he needs to get his act together and change who his player manager is... Carr is a toss.
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Barrett on MMM just then said it is about money. Who to believe, slobbo or bin rat :lol
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If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!
Has nothing to do with salary cap being near 100%, not sure where this has been reported but it is not true?
It's been stated many times by the RFC that they will not deviate from their payment strategy model (the same Geelong use). Purpose of this is that they don't have any 1 player getting paid massive amounts and that we can stay competitive in free agency etc. Also ensures there is room for payments to the developing players when they come good to pay them more.
My post had nothing to do with us not paying Martin the 600k for salary cap issues, it was just a much broader statement about how reporters are saying we're near the cap and then suddenly Carlton seems to have a never ending cap
Reporters . . . they say whatever they want. They have probably assumed we are 'near 100%' as we will not budge on our offers and payment strategy for contract negotiations. I'd be very confident in saying that Dan Richardson is well on top of what he is doing and we will soon be in a position where we always 'appear' to have that extra cash to lure some bigger names. ;)
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if hes gone hes gone its out of our control.
hate to lose him especially if we get nothing in return.
hoping we can turn a negative into a positive.
relly hope someone outside of gws want him. we have no bargaining power if he goes there.
i remember paul roos was willing to offer up picks 6 and 14 in 2009 for pick 3 to get a crack at dustin martin. i wonder if roosey hasnt finally got his man.
pick 2 and melbournes 2nd rounder pick 21 for martin and pick 46.
that would be better than a poke in the pants with a blunt stick which is what we will get if he goes to gws.
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am i missing whats done
dusty signed or resigned?
Signed daniel
Yeahright posted it around 6pm
Popelord said too around 6.30
rogerd3 - just posted at 9.47pm saying deal done.
Have to twitter was a flutter about it around 5pm
No confirmation from the club at this stage ;D
you know never believe clowns :rollin
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The Dusty memes are out there already ....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUQendQCEAAq8Hu.png)
https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/status/379461931985145857/photo/1
:lol :lol there's a touch of the Milo Kerrigan's about him in that pic.
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(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/yMgcVXh2XJk/hqdefault.jpg)
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Bugger. You guys are going to have to change the banner again. :scream
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Carlton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;D all they have to do now is play DEAL or NO DEAL ;D
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Bugger. You guys are going to have to change the banner again. :scream
Oh yeahhh you just made me realise that. I think flossy is due for a call up if Dusty leaves. Won't take me long at all to change just one player.
Back on topic, if it turns out that GWS are the only club who wants him, isn't that saying something?? Could GWS afford both Dusty and Buddy? I guess that would equal 1 Israel Folau ;D
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Barrett on MMM just then said it is about money. Who to believe, slobbo or bin rat :lol
Not exactly great options are they ;D
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Back on topic, if it turns out that GWS are the only club who wants him, isn't that saying something?? Could GWS afford both Dusty and Buddy? I guess that would equal 1 Israel Folau ;D
the biggest blunder ever in AFL football & what more was a real kick in the guts to every AFL player for 2 NRL bozo's to be paid money like that ever in the history. just proves Andrew Demetriou is a idiot
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How the Fudge do Melbourne have money and we don't?
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How the Fudge do Melbourne have money and we don't?
Chris Dawes is a CPA
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Agreed to terms is different than signing ;D
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How the Fudge do Melbourne have money and we don't?
We have money, won't pay more for a reason.
Melbourne will offer pick 2, GWS can offer pick 1 then :rollin
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Bugger. You guys are going to have to change the banner again. :scream
Oh yeahhh you just made me realise that. I think flossy is due for a call up if Dusty leaves. Won't take me long at all to change just one player.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/07/24/1226433/551553-brandon-ellis.jpg)
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Football related?? Does he mean Coaching issues? issue with other players or not being allowed to play how he wants?
yeah, good questions.
If Martin nominates GWS as the club he wants to go to then we will certainly loose bargaining power but I doubt they would force him into the PSD. If he chooses a club above us on the ladder that will certainly help our case. Either way I think a fair and reasonable deal can be struck with any team. The minimum of a first round pick plus an established player would get it done.
yep, considering GWS pretty much gave us morris, and they instigated the deal, i think its a fair to assume they will not be out to screw us
adding to that Sheeds is still there and he is a good man
Leon Cameron is also an old Tiger
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He was never going to sign. He was always going to leave once his contract was up. He had no respect for the club.
Hope his breaks his leg & his next contract will be his last. ;D
Good to have you back Monk! :thumbsup
Dean McDonald and the Tigers v Sale in the Granny this weekend!
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Agreed to terms is different than signing ;D
oh please, it was known sometime ago he was not going to sign. another ex player getting inside that head of his. Richmond telling players who they can mix with & trying to run their lives outside of work like they have some right. Payback is a bitch but the club is bigger than any player or person.
Good player but l never liked them
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Bugger. You guys are going to have to change the banner again. :scream
Oh yeahhh you just made me realise that. I think flossy is due for a call up if Dusty leaves. Won't take me long at all to change just one player.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/07/24/1226433/551553-brandon-ellis.jpg)
Too right this lad is going to be a star. Post him up :thumbsup
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He was never going to sign. He was always going to leave once his contract was up. He had no respect for the club.
Hope his breaks his leg & his next contract will be his last. ;D
Good to have you back Monk! :thumbsup
Dean McDonald and the Tigers v Sale in the Granny this weekend!
here here i loved the monk's work. welcome back
sees it exactly how it is does monk
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Gee this gets funnier by the minute ;D
AFL website have now changed their tune and removed the reference to having "quit" to:
DUSTIN Martin has told Richmond he will pursue offers from other clubs, raising the possibility he will leave the Tigers.
See: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-quits-tigers
Think we call it "hedging ones bets" :rollin
assume possibility means there is a chance we will retain him. I still believe he is a required player. I sincerely hope the parties can reach a compromise.
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He was never going to sign. He was always going to leave once his contract was up. He had no respect for the club.
Hope his breaks his leg & his next contract will be his last. ;D
Good to have you back Monk! :thumbsup
Dean McDonald and the Tigers v Sale in the Granny this weekend!
:thumbsup 9 goals record the other week. His the guy we need in the forward line. He loves the Tigers & barracks for them but hates the city ;D hate to be tackled by him. He is so quick & injures players pulling them down. Super speed & l be there ;D :cheers
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RALPH C A R R.....................
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Guess it's time for the club to leak some facts..... ;D
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Really, then why didn't you tell us ::)
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Really, then why didn't you tell us ::)
well no-one can say anything until it comes from his manager. The NO DEAL salute was outright disrespectful & a disgrace to the supporters & the club. l hope he has a short career from here on.
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here here Monk
http://www.compymcputer.com/uploads/23705905052867535.jpg
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Ralf Carr can suck my balls
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here here Monk
http://www.compymcputer.com/uploads/23705905052867535.jpg
I hope the police re-open that Connors bashing case and give him 15 years jail.
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Guess it's time for the club to leak some facts..... ;D
:shh
After we trade him...
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He was never going to sign. He was always going to leave once his contract was up. He had no respect for the club.
Hope his breaks his leg & his next contract will be his last. ;D
Good to have you back Monk! :thumbsup
Dean McDonald and the Tigers v Sale in the Granny this weekend!
:thumbsup 9 goals record the other week. His the guy we need in the forward line. He loves the Tigers & barracks for them but hates the city ;D hate to be tackled by him. He is so quick & injures players pulling them down. Super speed & l be there ;D :cheers
Where is it this weekend? Tgon or Morwell?
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Where do we sign :lol
Therefore his risk added to the upside means pick 6 would be overs. Our 2nd rounder plus a player richmond would be interested in, a Rosa, Shepard, Smith or another 25-75 gamer.
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here here Monk
http://www.compymcputer.com/uploads/23705905052867535.jpg
l have never used Twitter or tweeter is it, l don't know. But there is his mate who he was told to stay away from ;D
Has a lot of respect for us Richmond people does Danny Boy who lives on a miniture football payment now :shh
Dust Bin was watching him play footy on the weekend. clubs cant run players lives outside of work. ;D
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Where can one find Ralph Carr?
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Where can one find Ralph Carr?
229 Lennox Street, Richmond
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Schwarz on SEN:
"Dusty's dad and Richmond reached agreement on a deal last week. However, Ralph Carr turned up later on and reneged on it demanding a different "number" to the one that was agreed upon."
So no surprise the problem is still Dusty's manager, Ralph Carr >:(. Obviously trying to bend the Club over a barrel to get his cut ::).
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Schwarz on SEN:
"Dusty's dad and Richmond reached agreement on a deal last week. However, Ralph Carr turned up later on and reneged on it demanding a different "number" to the one that was agreed upon."
So no surprise the problem is Dusty's manager, Ralph Carr >:(.
Thank you Ox :bow :bow
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Where can one find Ralph Carr?
229 Lennox Street, Richmond
Thanks
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Heard he may have used up his last chance on the weekend?
Only a rumour.
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Where is it this weekend? Tgon or Morwell?
Played at Moe FC, Bring Druggie repellent & loose change for beggers :lol
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If Dusty nominates a preferred club, and we can't broker a deal with that one single club, does he go straight to PSD?
OR do we get complete power to trade to him wherever we want to?
All my prickhead Collingwood mates reckon they'll snap him up in a trade for their pick #11 LOL. Tools.
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Schwarz on SEN:
"Dusty's dad and Richmond reached agreement on a deal last week. However, Ralph Carr turned up later on and reneged on it demanding a different "number" to the one that was agreed upon."
So no surprise the problem is Dusty's manager, Ralph Carr >:(.
Thank you Ox :bow :bow
Are you confirming that you know this to be true WP? If so, where are we now at in reality? IMO, we are calling his bluff and seeking to get some finality to the situation? I still think he will stay due to close relationships with the playing group. Just my opinion
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Think its time the Martins do their own thing, surely they can see that money isn't just what its all about, sure you want to aptly rewarded for your talent but this Carr loser is simply looking a $ rather than what's best for Dusty the person. With Dusty's history of misdemeanours whilst only trivial a change of environment could lead to him spiralling out of control, I hope not for his sake.
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Ox had just spoken to Richmond - its legit
I mentioned this in another thread. I received good info from a source AT THE CLUB that they had reached an agreement last week. All it needed was a signature. Not sure exactly what happened on the weekend to destroy that.
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Blame Carr.
Just blame Carr...
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
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Ox had just spoken to Richmond - its legit
I mentioned this in another thread. I received good info from a source AT THE CLUB that they had reached an agreement last week. All it needed was a signature. Not sure exactly what happened on the weekend to destroy that.
He or his manager never agreed to any offer :rollin his decision is made based on people trying to tell him what to do outside of football
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There is more to this than we all know, it will be out over the next 48 hours!!!!
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There is more to this than we all know, it will be out over the next 48 hours!!!!
Do you know yourself, or just think it will come out?
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Ox had just spoken to Richmond - its legit
Richmond said we done alot for shytehead Dustin and Carr did not appreciate extent of this... [para phrasing]
for 50 grand
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
Look at those gold records. He must be a really good musician.
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
i could tell u some stories....
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coca and bumholes :whistle
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Where is it this weekend? Tgon or Morwell?
Played at Moe FC, Bring Druggie repellent & loose change for beggers :lol
lmao
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Martin tweeting about it just now.
https://twitter.com/DustinMartin4
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Where is it this weekend? Tgon or Morwell?
Played at Moe FC, Bring Druggie repellent & loose change for beggers :lol
I work in Newborough, I wear that stuff every day lol
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Dustin Martin @DustinMartin4 twitter (in the last 10 mins)
"There have been a lot of conflicting stories going around about myself and the Richmond Footy Club. At the weekend, I asked my manager
Ralph Carr to request an extension of time from Richmond, to allow me to fully consider the options about my future. This decision was made
purely by me, together with my family. As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that
I won't make lightly. I want to make it clear that I appreciate everyone's patience in allowing me the time to make this decision.
. The claims that I have walked out on the Richmond Football Club are totally incorrect. I can tell you that at this time, no decision has
Been made regarding my future"
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:sleep
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Lions, Dees and GWS are the other clubs interested in Dusty according to SEN.
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Where is it this weekend? Tgon or Morwell?
Played at Moe FC, Bring Druggie repellent & loose change for beggers :lol
I work in Newborough, I wear that stuff every day lol
Oh lol
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no wrries Carr
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WP I would never presume to interpret your thinking on this ,but I get the feeling you think he just might stay at RFC
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:lol
does seem a bit too well articulated doesn't it?
whats with the future of his family? does he look after his parents and sibling or has he got a missus and kids no one knows about?
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He needs to bugger this prick off. :banghead
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All this drama is making me sick in the stomach.
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Dust Bin was watching him play footy on the weekend. clubs cant run players lives outside of work. ;D
:lol :lol
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:lol
does seem a bit too well articulated doesn't it?
Yep driving home listening to SEN my first thought was Carr written that for Dusty.
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Can see the AFL have their hands all over this. Just as they did with Ablett and Scully.
They need the babies of the AFL to thrive.
Buddy will go via free agency and Dusty will go via PSD pick 1 and GWS will trade pick 1 for another gun = 3 superstars to GWS.
100% will happen. No way will GWS trade pick 1 to us if they can get Martin via PSD. No chance
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WP I would never presume to interpret your thinking on this ,but I get the feeling you think he just might stay at RFC
I cannot answer for WP, but think that if Dusty's dad was not aware of the latest development, and found out today like the rest of us . . . Dusty may sign a 10 year contract after he pays him a visit. :rollin
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Schwarz on SEN:
"Dusty's dad and Richmond reached agreement on a deal last week. However, Ralph Carr turned up later on and reneged on it demanding a different "number" to the one that was agreed upon."
So no surprise the problem is Dusty's manager, Ralph Carr >:(.
Thank you Ox :bow :bow
Are you confirming that you know this to be true WP? If so, where are we now at in reality? IMO, we are calling his bluff and seeking to get some finality to the situation? I still think he will stay due to close relationships with the playing group. Just my opinion
Yes this has been my understanding of the situation since mid August and as of late last week
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Lions, Dees and GWS are the other clubs interested in Dusty according to SEN.
Lions are grabbing Choco and Dusty. Dusty wants out of the fishbowl and is following Choco.
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Daniel connors @Danconnors19 twitter:
"Bunch of Richmond flogs let the kid live spare me with ya pathetic tweets! To the few gooodies out there I apologize in advance! #please"
Speaking of flogs ::)
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Ch 7 news still going with Dusty walking out on Richmond.
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Daniel connors @Danconnors19 twitter:
"Bunch of Richmond flogs let the kid live spare me with ya pathetic tweets! To the few gooodies out there I apologize in advance! #please"
Speaking of flogs ::)
He is the biggest flog of them all, dan connors..... needs a stuffing beat down
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WP I would never presume to interpret your thinking on this ,but I get the feeling you think he just might stay at RFC
Honestly I don't know.
As of last Friday I was expecting an announcement this week about him re-signing
Then "you know what" hit the fan and we have the statement from the Club this morning
I am not going to bag the kid until he is officially goneskis but I have always said and believed that Ralph Carr is the problem here.
Said it last week when his Dad got involved this got sorted, left the finer details to his ninkum poop manager and now have the mess we have now
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Lions, Dees and GWS are the other clubs interested in Dusty according to SEN.
Lions are grabbing Choco and Dusty. Dusty wants out of the fishbowl and is following Choco.
Since when has Choco said he is leaving?
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Lions, Dees and GWS are the other clubs interested in Dusty according to SEN.
Lions are grabbing Choco and Dusty. Dusty wants out of the fishbowl and is following Choco.
daddy issues
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Daniel connors @Danconnors19 twitter:
"Bunch of Richmond flogs let the kid live spare me with ya pathetic tweets! To the few gooodies out there I apologize in advance! #please"
Speaking of flogs ::)
Oh dear
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I must admit the article which said the saints councelled their players to not travel to the USA with dusty did make me stop and think..is this kid off the rails?
I wonder if that article in some way led to todays decisions
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
:lol
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Just wanted to say that i have not read through the 13 pages on this thread yet, have not had time yet
Was pretty dissapointed when I first heard this on SEN, actually to be honest I wasnt far from a homicidal rampage :shh
But without being swayed by any dialogue in this thread and not letting my emotions get the better of me, he has not sihned with another club and nor has he walked out on the club.
There is still a chance he might sign with the club and this is Ralph Carrs way of trying to cause panic by going public to put RFC in a corner to sign for what his management want. :nope
IMO if its good enough for Cotch, Lids, and Jack to take pay cuts and take one for the team then its good for dusty too... If he does end up leaving i will be dissapointed and he can rue on what would have been.. If he stays he can help drive this club to where it belongs..
Ralph carr is a twit and Dusty should drop him like a wet sack of sh it :yep :cheers
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looking at pic of him he'd probably make a similar noise when he hit the ground
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looking at pic of him he'd probably make a similar noise when he hit the ground
Is that a dead raccoon on his head?
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Ralph Carr coming up on Ch 7 news
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What a stuffing flog. Should be behind bars
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Carr said:
no Hasn't worked out
Yes we are fielding offer that is true
Not offended by RFC statement
Definitely hasn't walked out
Richmond free to do what they like
Has asked for another week to make up his mind
He is a funny looking little fellow is Carr
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I must admit the article which said the saints councelled their players to not travel to the USA with dusty did make me stop and think..is this kid off the rails?
I wonder if that article in some way led to todays decisions
Hmmmmm....
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Sandy Roberts on Ch 7 news just said they can reveal Paul Roos has spoken to Dustin Martin's management.
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Sandy Roberts on Ch 7 news just said they can reveal Paul Roos has spoken to Dustin Martin's management.
It's on the Mfc website. No secrets that mob
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looking at pic of him he'd probably make a similar noise when he hit the ground
Is that a dead raccoon on his head?
Thought it was dead ferret myself
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What a stuffing flog. Should be behind bars
What for? taking a prescription sleeping tablet?
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First Ive been away for most of today but was aware of this. My view and opinion of this is
1) I still think Dustin will stay and that we will see a backflip. Also expect the Martins to ditch Carr
2) In the event that Dustin leaves, as long as he doesnt go to GWS who will not compensate us as they should, we will do ok out of the trade.
3) I think Martin has been overrated for a fair while. At the moment we are getting about 10 decent games a season. Beyond that not much at all and certainly not worth any more than $500k a season.
4) If he does leave, he can get stuffed and its not the end of the world.
Thats all.
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No, for posting a tweet.
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No. For assault and battery.
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Daniel connors @Danconnors19 twitter:
"Bunch of Richmond flogs let the kid live spare me with ya pathetic tweets! To the few gooodies out there I apologize in advance! #please"
Speaking of flogs ::)
Oh dear
exactly right "Oh dear indeed" :lol
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As time passes I become more and more convinced that sports people in general are becoming way overpaid.In the end its us ,the average supporter who ends up paying the bills for these absurd contracts
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Footballers like Martin don't come around to often, will put our side back a fair bit if he goes.
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Footballers like Martin don't come around to often, will put our side back a fair bit if he goes.
Definitely. Craig Cameron would have got this deal signed in September 2012.
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No. For assault and battery.
Anyone in the vicinity of a withdrawing drug addict can end up in a 'fight' that they never wanted to be in, I have seen this situation unfold on a number of occasions.
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only reason he should be in jail is so he can be with other intellectually challenged alcoholics
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
:lol
That's a shocking rug!!
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What a stuffing flog. Should be behind bars
What for? taking a prescription sleeping tablet?
Im talking abt Connors, RR knows what Im getting at. Look up what Connors did predraft, very lucky sob
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Dustin Martin @DustinMartin4 twitter (in the last 10 mins)
"There have been a lot of conflicting stories going around about myself and the Richmond Footy Club. At the weekend, I asked my manager
Ralph Carr to request an extension of time from Richmond, to allow me to fully consider the options about my future. This decision was made
purely by me, together with my family. As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that
I won't make lightly. I want to make it clear that I appreciate everyone's patience in allowing me the time to make this decision.
. The claims that I have walked out on the Richmond Football Club are totally incorrect. I can tell you that at this time, no decision has
Been made regarding my future"
Ok, so by this what is everyone's feeling now?
Mine has changed and it sounds like management games to me. I hope Dusty stays and thinks about all the friendships he as at RFC, he won't be as successful anywhere else and plus not too mention that he is cult figure at the Tigerland. My son is 4 and has the jumper etc and I know I am not the only patent in this boat. C'Mon supporters make some noise he is an important ingredient to our secret herbs and spices and he is only a 4 year player. Right got it off my chest.
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Just on AFL360
Gerard Whately reckons:
* Richmond handed its final contract offer to Carr 2 Fridays ago (Friday before ouyr final)
* gave Martin camp 7 days to reply.
* Carr came back to RFC yesterday and asked for another 7 days
* RFC refused and this morning removed their contract offer off the table
* says currently Martin has no Contract offer from RFC
* Whateley adamant Martin will not be at RFC in 2014 will be at GWS or Melb
Robbo:
* RFC believes Carr has been shopping Martin around for at least 3-4 months
* agreed with Gerrard that Martin camp asked for another 7 days
* believes something major has happened in the last few days for it to break down the way it has (but typical Robbo wouldn't say what but it will be in tomorrows HUN ::))
* said that RFC risk losing him for nothing
* reckons both sides need to take a few steps back and head back to the table to talk
* said this was always about who'd "blink first"
* has no idea what will happen and where Martin will end up
* But RFc need to be sdmart of they could lose him for NOTHING
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My feelings are that he has had more than adequate thinking time, and is now to the detriment of the club is trying on a bit of a stunt with his manager.
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My feeling hasn't changed he needs to turf the manager
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
:lol
That's a shocking rug!!
Clients include Travis Cloke and Akermanis according to his website.
Maybe he's taking grooming tips from David?
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That would be a bloody disaster, and why ain't conca been signed. First thing I'd do to get some positive pr is get this kid locked away
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every thing is gonna burn we'll all take turns I'll get mine too
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:thumbsup
That would be a bloody disaster, and why ain't conca been signed. First thing I'd do to get some positive pr is get this kid locked away
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Demons confirm interest in luring Dustin Martin
By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
Monday, September 16, 2013
MELBOURNE is awaiting a response from Dustin Martin's management before determining its next step in pursuit of the exciting Richmond midfielder.
The club's new coach Paul Roos has discussed Martin's future with the 22-year-old's manager Ralph Carr as the club attempts to bolster its midfield.
Roos has previously indicated he would be prepared to trade the club's No.2 pick if the right player was available, in order to add talent immediately to Melbourne's list.
Demons' football manager Josh Mahoney said the club had made initial contact with Martin's management.
"Melbourne did make enquiries to his management about his intentions for next year," Mahoney said. "We are waiting to hear back from them before we discuss any next steps we might take as a club."
Richmond shocked football watchers on Monday when it released a statement indicating that Martin wanted to test the market and was open to offers from other clubs.
The Tigers have been in negotiations with the midfielder for several months but have been unable to secure his signature. Richmond reached the finals this year for the first time since 2001 and looks to be building an exciting squad for the future.
The club remains hopeful it may still retain Martin but it is unwilling to compromise its player payments strategy to keep one player, regardless of his talent.
Richmond is looking to establish a flatter payments structure similar that employed by recently successful clubs.
Football manager Dan Richardson made it clear Martin remained a required player.
"We are proud of the way Dustin has developed as a footballer, and as a person, in his time at Richmond, and we have been steadfast in our view that he is a required player who has an exciting football career ahead of him," Richardson said.
Melbourne is keen to build both talent and depth through its midfield. It averaged just 40 inside 50s per game in 2013 and finished with a percentage of 54.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/demons-confirm-interest-in-luring-dustin-martin
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yep, turf him off the westgate.
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Hmmmm pick 2
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And FFs burn that rug off his head
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Dustin Martin @DustinMartin4 twitter (in the last 10 mins)
"There have been a lot of conflicting stories going around about myself and the Richmond Footy Club. At the weekend, I asked my manager
Ralph Carr to request an extension of time from Richmond, to allow me to fully consider the options about my future. This decision was made
purely by me, together with my family. As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that
I won't make lightly. I want to make it clear that I appreciate everyone's patience in allowing me the time to make this decision.
. The claims that I have walked out on the Richmond Football Club are totally incorrect. I can tell you that at this time, no decision has
Been made regarding my future"
Ok, so by this what is everyone's feeling now?
Mine has changed and it sounds like management games to me. I hope Dusty stays and thinks about all the friendships he as at RFC, he won't be as successful anywhere else and plus not too mention that he is cult figure at the Tigerland. My son is 4 and has the jumper etc and I know I am not the only patent in this boat. C'Mon supporters make some noise he is an important ingredient to our secret herbs and spices and he is only a 4 year player. Right got it off my chest.
My thoughts exactly. On SEN this arvo Robbo said (and I really have to say at this point I don't rate Robbo much as a journo) that the decision making process from here is often swayed by team mates, and people from the club. If they can convince him to stay, he probably will, especially over a matter of 70-100k. Depends on how much the playing group and coaches want him around, as to how influential they'll be. Personally, I feel its a still a 50/50. Agree totally that its just rubbish games between the prick of a manager and the club. Club would feel he's lost some of his leverage after the handcuffs signal in the final, manager wants to prove that they haven't.
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My feelings are that he has had more than adequate thinking time, and is now to the detriment of the club is trying on a bit of a stunt with his manager.
I agree. By end of the season most players know such as Ablett and Scully if they was going to stick around or not. Both ended up changing clubs.
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If the club has a "no smile-heads" policy, I guess it cannot afford to have any smile-heads on the list .....
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Dustin Martin: which club wants him?
By Nathan Schmook
Monday, September 16, 2013
WITH Dustin Martin set to part ways with Richmond, AFL.com.au looks at all his possible destinations.
Adelaide
Martin would aid the Crows in their push to return to the top four, but they are unlikely to have the trade currency and Eddie Betts is already in their sights. He would benefit from the strong leadership group and culture at the Crows, but would he want to move to Adelaide?
Verdict: More suitable options. Very unlikely.
Brisbane Lions
The Lions are not a club of choice right now, with some young players walking out. An injection of talent is exactly what the club needs and they should be aggressive. However, it's hard to see Martin choosing the Lions.
Verdict: They need him but would struggle to woo him. Very unlikely.
Carlton
The Blues would have to consider Martin with the money they have available for a play at Collingwood's Dale Thomas. Both would improve the Blues' midfield run significantly, but Martin is younger and comes without the burden of injury. Coach Mick Malthouse would back himself to manage any off-field issues Martin may have.
Verdict: A nice fit for both parties. Very good chance.
Collingwood
Nathan Buckley spoke strongly about culture after the club's elimination final loss and he appears to be more focused on bringing through a young team in his own mould. Having said that, if the club loses Dale Thomas, Martin would be a perfect on-field replacement.
Verdict: An attractive option for Martin, and the Magpies should deal if they lose Thomas. Possible.
Essendon
Salary cap space will become available if the Bombers lose goalkicker Stewart Crameri, but that will only get the Bombers so far. They're also handicapped by this year's draft penalties.
Verdict: It would be a battle for the Bombers to negotiate a suitable trade. Unlikely.
Fremantle
Finding another big-bodied midfielder is not the Dockers' priority with Michael Barlow, David Mundy, Nat Fyfe and co. driving the club's most successful season. Fremantle needs young key position players and the club has been meticulous in sticking to its list management strategy.
Verdict: Has other needs. Very unlikely.
Geelong
Unless a number of senior players move on at the end of the season, it is unlikely the Cats would have the cap space available to satisfy Martin. He is, however, the sort of player who could extend their stay in the top four.
Verdict: Appear on the right track with their next wave. Still, possible.
Gold Coast
There are fears Gold Coast will have the most powerful midfield in the competition within two seasons. The battle ahead for the club will be retaining its talented youngsters when rival clubs come knocking. Retaining its talent is likely to be more pressing for the Suns.
Verdict: He would fit now, but would compromise plans to retain gun youngsters. Unlikely.
Greater Western Sydney
Perhaps the frontrunner, the Giants are believed to be confident they can land Martin. Money is not an issue for the expansion club and it would be money well spent with GWS in need of a strong-bodied midfielder capable of taking the heat off its youngsters. GWS has the draft picks available to satisfy the Tigers, and it will also hold pick No.1 at the NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft if a trade can't be settled. Martin's father lives in Sydney.
Verdict: In pole position. Very likely.
Hawthorn
With its strong leadership and culture, Hawthorn would be a good fit for Martin, who has been supported extensively by the Tigers. With the Hawks sitting comfortably in a premiership window, Martin would be the cream that strengthens an already powerful unit. Salary cap space, however, would have to be an issue.
Verdict: Would require sacrificing talent to satisfy the Tigers and fit Martin in. Possible.
Melbourne
The Demons have the trade currency and need to make a play for Martin, given the dire state of their list. New coach Paul Roos makes the club a more attractive destination and he will shape a culture that allows Martin to get the best out of himself. Money would not be an obstacle.
Verdict: Need to make an offer and should be aggressive. Very possible.
North Melbourne
The Kangaroos have already been linked to St Kilda midfielder Nick Dal Santo and clearly need another classy midfielder to take the heat off Daniel Wells and Brent Harvey. Expected to be aggressive at the trade table, they could easily shift their focus to Martin. Pick No.8, however, has been committed to father-son selection Luke McDonald.
Verdict: Dal Santo would be a cheaper option. Martin, however, remains a possibility.
Port Adelaide
As Port considers how it can build on an amazing 2013 season, Martin is a player it should consider. He would complement a young and dynamic midfield that should only get better. The big question is, does he want to move to Adelaide?
Verdict: Lacks draft picks, but has young talent. Unlikely.
Richmond
Martin hasn't walked out yet, but it's hard to see him being at Richmond next year. On Monday, football manager Dan Richardson said: "Given the considerable effort we have put into Dustin’s development both on and off the field, and our efforts to retain him all season, we are extremely disappointed with this decision."
Verdict: Martin appears as good as gone.
St Kilda
Martin has relationships with some St Kilda players, but how could the Saints reportedly instruct two of their players not to holiday with the 22-year-old during the off-season and then recruit him? It would be a bold decision.
Verdict: The Saints appear more likely to rebuild through the draft. Unlikely.
Sydney Swans
As far as culture and role models go, there couldn't be a better fit for Martin. As mentioned, his father lives in Sydney and that could be a factor in his decision. Do the reigning premiers have the cap space after recruiting key forward Kurt Tippett?
Verdict: Won't have the draft picks so would need to give up a quality player. Possible.
West Coast
The Eagles need a big-bodied midfielder after a disappointing season and Martin fits the bill. Retiring senior players should have opened up the necessary cap space and Daniel Kerr could yet be on his way out. The Eagles should be making enquiries.
Verdict: A good option for both parties. Very possible, if Martin is willing to move.
Western Bulldogs
The Bulldogs will have pick No.4 in the NAB AFL Draft, so they're in the discussion. With a settled young group of on-ballers, however, the midfield is not the biggest issue for Brendon McCartney. The Bulldogs need key position players and that should be their priority, with Stewart Crameri in their sights.
Verdict: Another club that appears set on rebuilding through the draft. Unlikely.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/dustin-martin-which-club-wants-him
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Footballers like Martin don't come around to often, will put our side back a fair bit if he goes.
your love child loves Conners more than Tigerland ;D
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Footballers like Martin don't come around to often, will put our side back a fair bit if he goes.
your love child loves Conners more than Tigerland ;D
There no shame in gayness
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Are GWS? guaranteed to take Boyd with 1? Patton, Cameron, possibly Franklin, and Boyd? Would love pick 2 and GWS take best mid and then we go trollolololol.
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Roo's said on the couch that him and Carr was texting early last week about having a chat but they haven't yet.
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Roo's said on the couch that him and Carr was texting early last week about having a chat but they haven't yet.
if you believe that you also believe in santa clause
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And just to add 'credible weight' to vindicate Martin's decision, Travis Cloke comes out in support of Dusty's right to choose his club. Why would Cloke buy in to the issue? Oh, that's right, he's managed by Carr. :wallywink
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This is all just making me sick :chuck
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:chuck :chuck
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I think he is as good as gone.
Roos was not going to be stupid and lead on to anything more than what he said.
I will be very surprised if he stays. Shame, but that's footy.
Lost all respect for him and the tweets are choc full of tokenism IMHO.
Stay firm Tigers.
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Egos destroying the club again :banghead
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After the elimination final loss I heard about the bush fires near Sydney. I thought you went postal gerks, but good too see you posting again ;D
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Egos destroying the club again :banghead
It's destroying the club if the club lets it.
I think standing firm is what can help give the club a new identity that the players do not run the club and their job is to play footy and those that run the club are Benny Gale and co whether he leaves or stays. Stay firm Tigers.
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After the elimination final loss I heard about the bush fires near Sydney. I thought you went postal gerks, but good too see you posting again ;D
Oh I've gone postal alright
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And just to add 'credible weight' to vindicate Martin's decision, Travis Cloke comes out in support of Dusty's right to choose his club. Why would Cloke buy in to the issue? Oh, that's right, he's managed by Carr. :wallywink
Travis Cloke and Ralph Carr are both wrong, Dustin does not have the right to choose his club, he only has the right to nominate his price and must go to the first club in the pre season draft that is prepared and able to pay it.
Manipulating that system is a breach of the rules.
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No surprise but Caro tonight said the tweets are Carr's words.
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No surprise but Caro tonight said the tweets are Carr's words.
:rollin :rollin
Gee none of us picked that Caro
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Egos destroying the club again :banghead
It's destroying the club if the club lets it.
I think standing firm is what can help give the club a new identity that the players do not run the club and their job is to play footy and those that run the club are Benny Gale and co whether he leaves or stays. Stay firm Tigers.
Good in theary, but the fact of AFL footy is you have to pay overs to keep your stars/match winners. Otherwise others will.
The reason Dusty is so good is because he doesn't think like me and you. He is not a robot and I'm tipping him being told who he can be friends with probably has something to do with his decision also.
Star players are wired differently, 99% of AFL players with ball in hand with someone approaching them dispose of the footy, in Dusty's case he wants the opposition to get closer to him so he can push them away and take them on, it's really rare in a player to think like this and that's what makes him so special. Steve J is in the same mould, he is wired differently but wins Geelong games off his own boot.
And for anyone to bring up Geelong's model is just stupid, the fact is they have won premierships and players want to stay to maybe play in the next one, we cannot even beat Carlton in a final that shouldn't have even been there. Massive difference.
Stay strong Tigers and you'll be average or another 30 years.
IMO, Pick your fights Tigers and be tougher with the other spuds
Anyone that thinks Conca is worth 350k a year is crazy, he is serviceable but has done nothing yet to deserve that sort of money.
Anyway just my take.
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Demons coach Roos hasn't spoken with '$600k per year' Martin
By Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
10:11pm AEST Monday, September 16, 2013
DUSTIN Martin at his best is worth $600,000 a year according to new Melbourne coach Paul Roos.
But the Demons coach is yet to sit down with Martin to find out what his intentions are for 2014 and beyond, or whether he might want to play for Melbourne.
The dynamic 22-year-old midfielder who is out of contract shocked the football world on Monday when he told Richmond he wanted to pursue offers from other clubs.
Richmond has been unable to convince the 22-year-old midfielder to agree to terms despite extensive negotiations and released a statement on Monday to express its disappointment at Martin's decision.
Several AFL clubs including Melbourne, the Brisbane Lions and Greater Western Sydney appear willing to talk to Martin.
Speaking on FoxFooty's On the Couch, Roos said he was yet to talk to Martin and had only had text message exchanges with his management.
"We have not put an offer to Dustin Martin at all," Roos said.
He said based on performance Martin would attract between $450,000 to 600,000 per season. However, Roos indicated it was too early to be specific about Melbourne's interest in Martin.
"I feel uncomfortable talking about Dustin because I haven't spoken to him. I haven't spoken to Ralph [Carr, Martin's manager]. He may have already signed with another club. I have no idea.
"Until I actually talk to his management or talk to him ... certainly from our point of view we have done nothing in relation to Dustin Martin," Roos said.
Greater Western Sydney coach Leon Cameron told FoxFooty's AFL360 the Giants were exploring many options leading into the exchange and trading period as they needed to improve dramatically.
"We need to head down that track of exploring all options, and it's not just Dustin Martin," Cameron said.
He described Martin as an exceptional midfielder.
"We need to improve. We need to gain some respect and to do that we need to add some experience to our young list. Our players are craving that to be honest," Cameron said.
Richmond has signed several of its stars in 2013 while continuing to stick to its player payments strategy that puts team above individual.
The Tigers remain adamant that they still hope to retain Martin, who has played 86 games for Richmond.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/martin-worth-600k-a-year
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Roos and Cameron cannot contain themselves. Roos said he hasn't made Dusty an offer yet, then proceeded on national TV to offer him $600 large knowing full well we have offered him 525 and then chucked in Pick 2 as a peace offering to the tiges. Thanks for that Roosy using your dual coaching and national telly exposure to drive up his bargaining price, will look forward to thrashing the Demons that little bit more next year.
I didn't see the Cameron interview but those quotes show he is publically admitting to being desperate for talent and experience, that's telling me Pick 1 is in the offing.
If it's true that the club has withdrawn the contract offer, then these negotiations should have happened today.
Otherwise the club is just foxing too, and as much as I dislike the manager's tactics they should just give him his $575k and be done with it. I can't deal with the thought of him escaping to a Carlton, Collingwood or Melbourne, the thought of it makes me sick.
agree with bigtone about making the spuds pay, and I would spew if we lost Dusty over the price of an entry level Jeep.
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Ridiculous from Robbo to suggest that the playing group can easily sway a player when the contract difference is 75-100k worth.
Ridiculous comments. Over 5 years that nearly half a million dollars in difference. If it was 100k over the contract than maybe, but not half a million.
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Been away for a while and have missed a few posts.
Anyone have any confirmation on the meaning of Dustin's 'CROSS' goal celebratoin last weekend?
Surely he's not that smart to do a 'no deal' sign?
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Been away for a while and have missed a few posts.
Anyone have any confirmation on the meaning of Dustin's 'CROSS' goal celebratoin last weekend?
Surely he's not that smart to do a 'no deal' sign?
The "CROSS" signal is a shoutout and show of support for a 'mate' doing time in the big house. It's meant to represent hand-cuffs.
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Been away for a while and have missed a few posts.
Anyone have any confirmation on the meaning of Dustin's 'CROSS' goal celebratoin last weekend?
Surely he's not that smart to do a 'no deal' sign?
The "CROSS" signal is a shoutout and show of support for a 'mate' doing time in the big house. It's meant to represent hand-cuffs.
Yep 100% understand that. I've been out of the loop for a couple of weeks, surely there is a story behind that? Who was it too? We all found out about Brendan Goddards relative in jail when he did it and Krakour was all over the papers when signalling to his prison in mates... Have I missed the news where the gesture was confirmed to be signalling towards 'John Smith' who is Dustin's mate? Or has it just been assumed?
The 'no deal' sign if true makes an absolute mockery of not only our club but our game..
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Ridiculous from Robbo to suggest that the playing group can easily sway a player when the contract difference is 75-100k worth.
Ridiculous comments. Over 5 years that nearly half a million dollars in difference. If it was 100k over the contract than maybe, but not half a million.
Martins deal we tabeled was for only two years though, so were only talking $150 to 200k which I think is what he was getting at.
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Mark Stevens tonight on Talking Footy still reckons Dusty will stay at Richmond.
Stevens said Richmond sees Ralph Carr as a soft target and they called his bluff. They wouldn't have tried this with a Craig Kelly or Paul Connors. Luke Darcy chipped in with it wouldn't happen with another manager as they wouldn't have given Dusty such bad advice. Stevens added that Richmond, by calling their bluff, has put the ball right back in Dusty and Carr's corner. With Dan Richardson being a former player manager, he knows how these things work and Stevens said he expects things will be sorted out and Dusty will stay at Richmond.
Wayne Carey said that would be the best result all round especially for Dusty as did Darcy. They both also said only a top 4 club with its strong culture and leadership could handle Dusty if he were to change clubs. Dusty would run rings around young captains Trengove and Grimes at Melbourne while GWS wasn't the place for Dusty either.
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You have to stuff!ng LOL hard at the idea of those pussies Jack Grimes & Trengove trying to contain Dusty.
Roos would be all over it.
I'm still hoping to god he stays. Can't help it...
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And just to add 'credible weight' to vindicate Martin's decision, Travis Cloke comes out in support of Dusty's right to choose his club. Why would Cloke buy in to the issue? Oh, that's right, he's managed by Carr. :wallywink
Travis Cloke and Ralph Carr are both wrong, Dustin does not have the right to choose his club, he only has the right to nominate his price and must go to the first club in the pre season draft that is prepared and able to pay it.
Manipulating that system is a breach of the rules.
my understanding is he does not have to nominate for the psd he can opt to go into the nd or both. where gws would have first dibs at him either way.
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And that before paying Carr commission and paying tax.
So whatever the difference is, maybe $100k/year to argue about, Dusty wouldn't only pocket about half of it anyway...
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And just to add 'credible weight' to vindicate Martin's decision, Travis Cloke comes out in support of Dusty's right to choose his club. Why would Cloke buy in to the issue? Oh, that's right, he's managed by Carr. :wallywink
Travis Cloke and Ralph Carr are both wrong, Dustin does not have the right to choose his club, he only has the right to nominate his price and must go to the first club in the pre season draft that is prepared and able to pay it.
Manipulating that system is a breach of the rules.
my understanding is he does not have to nominate for the psd he can opt to go into the nd or both. where gws would have first dibs at him either way.
That is correct Clawski but he would have to nominate GWS as his prefered club to get there that way. And to be perfectly honest I can't see GWS not wanting to try and do some form of deal to get it done before it got to that. The best possible scenario would be if Martin nominated any other club as his prefered destination, this would put the ball back in our court bargaining wise.
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Guess it depends on whether or not he hates RFC then.
Wish Dan Connors never stepped foot in our club. Need to be smarter about drafting wankers.
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GWS
Has confirmed its interest. With midfielder Taylor Adams wanting to return home, one club recruiter said on Monday an exchange for Martin could be a fair deal.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-trail-what-are-martins-options-20130916-2tv8q.html#ixzz2f4LKtYU3
This club recruiter must be from the Giants if he thinks a straight swap would be a fair deal ::).
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Another reason why Ralph Carr is a tosser ...
Carr has close links to the Blues, having been a board member.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-face-losing-martin-20130916-2tu2q.html#ixzz2f4MUZGPl
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Just now
If the club loses Dusty in a PR battle with Ralph Carr, then they are clearly ill equipped to orchestrate his career, let alone build toward a flag.
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Will stay a Tiger and it's going to be really awkward. :whistle
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Been away for a while and have missed a few posts.
Anyone have any confirmation on the meaning of Dustin's 'CROSS' goal celebratoin last weekend?
Surely he's not that smart to do a 'no deal' sign?
The "CROSS" signal is a shoutout and show of support for a 'mate' doing time in the big house. It's meant to represent hand-cuffs.
Yep 100% understand that. I've been out of the loop for a couple of weeks, surely there is a story behind that? Who was it too? We all found out about Brendan Goddards relative in jail when he did it and Krakour was all over the papers when signalling to his prison in mates... Have I missed the news where the gesture was confirmed to be signalling towards 'John Smith' who is Dustin's mate? Or has it just been assumed?
The 'no deal' sign if true makes an absolute mockery of not only our club but our game..
It was not, repeat not a "NO DEAL" sign, it was the jailhouse sign to one of his Father's mates in the big house. Was confirmed by Caro on FC last week and 3AW and reported on SEN ::)
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Mark Stevens tonight on Talking Footy still reckons Dusty will stay at Richmond.
Stevens said Richmond sees Ralph Carr as a soft target and they called his bluff. They wouldn't have tried this with a Craig Kelly or Paul Connors. Luke Darcy chipped in with it wouldn't happen with another manager as they wouldn't have given Dusty such bad advice. Stevens added that Richmond, by calling their bluff, has put the ball right back in Dusty and Carr's corner. With Dan Richardson being a former player manager, he knows how these things work and Stevens said he expects things will be sorted out and Dusty will stay at Richmond.
Wayne Carey said that would be the best result all round especially for Dusty as did Darcy. They both also said only a top 4 club with its strong culture and leadership could handle Dusty if he were to change clubs. Dusty would run rings around young captains Trengove and Grimes at Melbourne while GWS wasn't the place for Dusty either.
I really hope they are right. His rise in form was a major reason we improved this year. He is on the rise and will develop with the right supports into a champion.
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Actually though Carey made a lot of sense and dare I say it so did Darcy. Darcy gave Carr a beuat "clip round the ears" :clapping
:bow
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Actually though Carey made a lot of sense and dare I say it so did Darcy. Darcy gave Carr a beuat "clip round the ears" :clapping
:bow
Agree, made alot of sense :thumbsup
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very true, unless he was getting excellent investment advice, something i doubt Carr would be interested in ensuring.
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Here is the turd responsible....Looks like the lovechild of Daryl Somers and Gavin Wood.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
Is this ponce for real? Nice hair, is his husband a hair dresser?
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What a stuffing flog. Should be behind bars
What for? taking a prescription sleeping tablet?
That's what the media released. But its illegal to share prescription drugs with anyone.
FLOG is a loose canon & on the path of destruction. He loves us supporters NOT. but its his loss & all that talent he has is wasted & not getting the huge $$$ it should be getting. l really like FLOG as the footballer. he was exciting to watch.
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Was talking about Dan Connors TM and what happened pre draft. Dusty can shoot himself in the foot(pun intended) for all I care
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Dustin Martin @DustinMartin4 twitter (in the last 10 mins)
"There have been a lot of conflicting stories going around about myself and the Richmond Footy Club. At the weekend, I asked my manager
Ralph Carr to request an extension of time from Richmond, to allow me to fully consider the options about my future. This decision was made
purely by me, together with my family. As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that
I won't make lightly. I want to make it clear that I appreciate everyone's patience in allowing me the time to make this decision.
. The claims that I have walked out on the Richmond Football Club are totally incorrect. I can tell you that at this time, no decision has
Been made regarding my future"
Ok, so by this what is everyone's feeling now?
Mine has changed and it sounds like management games to me. I hope Dusty stays and thinks about all the friendships he as at RFC, he won't be as successful anywhere else and plus not too mention that he is cult figure at the Tigerland. My son is 4 and has the jumper etc and I know I am not the only patent in this boat. C'Mon supporters make some noise he is an important ingredient to our secret herbs and spices and he is only a 4 year player. Right got it off my chest.
My thoughts exactly. On SEN this arvo Robbo said (and I really have to say at this point I don't rate Robbo much as a journo) that the decision making process from here is often swayed by team mates, and people from the club. If they can convince him to stay, he probably will, especially over a matter of 70-100k. Depends on how much the playing group and coaches want him around, as to how influential they'll be. Personally, I feel its a still a 50/50. Agree totally that its just rubbish games between the prick of a manager and the club. Club would feel he's lost some of his leverage after the handcuffs signal in the final, manager wants to prove that they haven't.
Totally agree. Cotchin and co should be having a word in his ear. Look at the situation at Man United with Rooney. Senior figures at Man United convinced Rooney to stay. Glad to hear has not walked out of Richmond. I agree with comments about feeling sick in stomach.
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Was talking about Dan Connors TM and what happened pre draft. Dusty can shoot himself in the foot(pun intended) for all I care
that's who l was referring too Tony. ;D not Dust Bin
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What happened pre draft exactly? Heard that many different stories :help
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Was talking about Dan Connors TM and what happened pre draft. Dusty can shoot himself in the foot(pun intended) for all I care
Hopefully after we trade him to Melbourne for pick 2
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AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has urged Dustin Martin to get past his contract dispute with Richmond and not waste his chance with the Tigers.
"I'd say to Dustin that 'you've got an enormous future in the game. You've got terrific talent'," Demetriou told Seven's Talking Footy program on Monday night.
"'You've got good people at this football club who have been doing the right thing by you and they've invested a lot of time in you and you should make the most of your opportunity'.
"It's a shame because everyone knows he's got ability."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-17/dont-waste-your-opportunity
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Anthony Hudson on SEN this morning said the Tigers are still very much open to keeping him.
From BF:
Tiger71 - Just to back this up. We are 100% commited to keeping Dusty BUT we have set a deadline on this. If he does not commit by that deadline he will be traded. Also there is no way that we will be bent over by Melb or GWS. The AFL will make sure that does not happen. The AFL is wanting richmond to be back to a finals competitive side. This years crowds showed them how much we are needed!"
Amcre - "I pretty much heard the same thing from my source at Tiger land. Dusty came back after just about signing because Carr attracted some interest from MFC after the Roos signing. He stalled and so we said ok if you want to look elsewhere we are going to let everyone know you are on the market. Hence why the first news to break this was a statement on AFL.COM from RFC. The AFL are very much working in the background to ensure he doesn't go to GWS and other interstate clubs and they have warned them of what they are buying."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-rumour-discussion.1031264/page-35#post-30191151
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an interesting response from damir. reading between the lines
"ralph carr is a king size stuffwit"
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Seriously if he don't stay at the club. As long as we get a good deal for him. l don't care were he goes. Someone will take his place holding the big silver cup in a few seasons. Hope he turns out to be another Nathan Buckley :rollin
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an interesting response from damir. reading between the lines
"ralph carr is a king size stuffwit"
vlad's pet hates:
1) phys edders
2) jerry mcguires
3) stale eclairs
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Gerks thanks for this insight into the world of Vlad..
Just for the record do you know how vlad interprets string theory?
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an interesting response from damir. reading between the lines
"ralph carr is a king size stuffwit"
vlad's pet hates:
1) phys edders
2) jerry mcguires
3) stale eclairs
and Carr is sooo 1 and 2!
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My source -
"What I can say is; after he agreed to Richmond's offer, other clubs rang the Tigers to say that he was still being shopped around to them.
He accepted $530 p.a.
R.C. Management told them that he could get 600+"
That would be pretty bang on the money, so to speak.
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Seriously? I think there's more to this than $70k/year. L
By the time he pays Carr commission and pays the ATO his tax he'd be lucky to pocket $35,000 of that.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7
Says GWS list manager Steve Silvangni met with Carr today at his office
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7
Says GWS list manager Steve Silvangni met with Carr today at his office
GWS want The Choir Boys at their Season launch
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Is Carr a member of the former Pseudo Echo? I think he plays the organ
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His own organ?
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I guess, maybe he rents it
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Just buy martin a house and lets move on
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(http://www.mediasearch.com.au/celebrity/article/Ralph%20Carr%20party%20-%20becky%20ralph%20kate.jpg)
NB- The other wig back/left.
It's a wiggery
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Keeping things in the family ?
http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Horse%20Trainer%20Re-Arrested%20Release.pdf (http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Horse%20Trainer%20Re-Arrested%20Release.pdf)
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From what I've read he s lower than a snakes belly this bloke, :shh
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Hey Dusty Maori - Sack Carr, sign a deal and keep the commish.
Do it now BOY!!!
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Hey Dusty Maori - Sack Carr, sign a deal and keep the commish.
Do it now BOY!!!
That's was my idea too, save 75 large by sacking the good for nothing idiot :shh
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(http://www.mediasearch.com.au/celebrity/article/Ralph%20Carr%20party%20-%20becky%20ralph%20kate.jpg)
Blind leading the blind.....Snowblind
the blonde looks like she could use some more lines convincing
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:shh
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Seriously? I think there's more to this than $70k/year. L
By the time he pays Carr commission and pays the ATO his tax he'd be lucky to pocket $35,000 of that.
Are you forgetting he still has to pay tax and carr etc. for the rest of the 530k. So it still is pretty close to $70k difference
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Did Dusty make the all Australian side - you would want to, to demand 600 G's surely.
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Did Dusty make the all Australian side - you would want to, to demand 600 G's surely.
you dont make all australian if you only play 10 decent games in a season.
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Seriously? I think there's more to this than $70k/year. L
By the time he pays Carr commission and pays the ATO his tax he'd be lucky to pocket $35,000 of that.
Are you forgetting he still has to pay tax and carr etc. for the rest of the 530k. So it still is pretty close to $70k difference
:huh
nah every dollar he earns above the 530 he'll get taxed at 45% +10% of it will go to Carr. 70k minus 45% tax plus 10% of that to Carr so it will probably end up being an extra 30k tops.
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Seriously? I think there's more to this than $70k/year. L
By the time he pays Carr commission and pays the ATO his tax he'd be lucky to pocket $35,000 of that.
Are you forgetting he still has to pay tax and carr etc. for the rest of the 530k. So it still is pretty close to $70k difference
:huh
nah every dollar he earns above the 530 he'll get taxed at 45% +10% of it will go to Carr. 70k minus 45% tax plus 10% of that to Carr so it will probably end up being an extra 30k tops.
I remember the last time I sniffed at 30k with disdain......unistudentlyf!
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My point exactly tony.
The difference in what he was offered and what he wants is like to net him $30,000 a year. Not a lot in the scheme of a 12-15 year career IMO.
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Seriously? I think there's more to this than $70k/year. L
By the time he pays Carr commission and pays the ATO his tax he'd be lucky to pocket $35,000 of that.
Are you forgetting he still has to pay tax and carr etc. for the rest of the 530k. So it still is pretty close to $70k difference
:huh
nah every dollar he earns above the 530 he'll get taxed at 45% +10% of it will go to Carr. 70k minus 45% tax plus 10% of that to Carr so it will probably end up being an extra 30k tops.
So he gets 530 tax free? ::)
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Seriously? I think there's more to this than $70k/year. L
By the time he pays Carr commission and pays the ATO his tax he'd be lucky to pocket $35,000 of that.
Are you forgetting he still has to pay tax and carr etc. for the rest of the 530k. So it still is pretty close to $70k difference
:huh
nah every dollar he earns above the 530 he'll get taxed at 45% +10% of it will go to Carr. 70k minus 45% tax plus 10% of that to Carr so it will probably end up being an extra 30k tops.
So he gets 530 tax free? ::)
Youre not serious..
think about it. If you earn an extra 70k on top of what you earn now, will you be taking home the 70k?
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My point exactly tony.
The difference in what he was offered and what he wants is like to net him $30,000 a year. Not a lot in the scheme of a 12-15 year career IMO.
spot on Andyy, but seems yeahright is having a comprehension issue tonight ;D
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Is Carr a member of the former Pseudo Echo? I think he plays the organ
nah he plays the piano, he sucks on the organ.
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All this reminds me off the Ben Holland saga years back ;)
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And at the complete opposite end of the 'character' scale:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-17/survivor-with-eye-of-the-tiger (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-17/survivor-with-eye-of-the-tiger)
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All this reminds me off the Ben Holland saga years back ;)
But Ben Holland couldn't play. Reece can. ;)
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Is Carr a member of the former Pseudo Echo? I think he plays the organ
nah he plays the piano, he sucks on the organ.
Must be the melodica I'm thinking of...
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What the knobhead is failing to realize is he is forgoing the op of FA in 4 years time that gives him a free hit at this kinda thing, any club he chooses, any price. :banghead
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Youre not serious..
think about it. If you earn an extra 70k on top of what you earn now, will you be taking home the 70k?
I have thought about it and you're right my bad :thumbsup
This is what you get when you post and play GTA 5 at the same time :lol
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Youre not serious..
think about it. If you earn an extra 70k on top of what you earn now, will you be taking home the 70k?
I have thought about it and you're right my bad :thumbsup
This is what you get when you post and play GTA 5 at the same time :lol
Lmao
How's GTA5? Was going to go to jb tonight for the launch but cbf now. Will get it over the next few days
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Youre not serious..
think about it. If you earn an extra 70k on top of what you earn now, will you be taking home the 70k?
I have thought about it and you're right my bad :thumbsup
This is what you get when you post and play GTA 5 at the same time :lol
Lmao
How's GTA5? Was going to go to jb tonight for the launch but cbf now. Will get it over the next few days
It's good stuff :cheers
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=17922.210
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Dustin Martin's former manager Ricky Nixon advises young Tiger to stay at Richmond
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
September 18, 2013
DUSTIN Martin's former manager Ricky Nixon has advised the star Tiger to stay at Richmond given the club’s bright finals prospects.
Nixon negotiated the two-year $900,000 deal for Martin that is now ending, with talks breaking down on a new contract on Monday.
All of Greater Western Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will chase Martin hard, but Collingwood yesterday said they were not a contender.
Nixon said yesterday Martin had every right to play hard ball to win top dollar, but believes leaving Richmond would be a mistake.
“I would say to him, 'Richmond is the best place for you'," Nixon said.
"If he stays there, he is going to play finals for the next five years unless something drastic happens. He is well paid at the moment, but he can be better paid. He is pursuing the maximum dollars from Richmond, but with some massaging the contract can be altered so Dustin gets what he wants. He should be staying.
"The only thing he needs to improve upon is his run, which he is doing, and he will be a bloody good player in the next few years, and will also grow up maturity-wise. He is still a boy, still a lad, but he is growing up.’’
Martin’s management told the Herald Sun on Tuesday night there had been no change to the impasse between player and club since Richmond indicated Martin was pursuing offers from other clubs.
But many clubs are scared off by the resources it would take to manage Martin away from the football field.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has urged Martin to stay at Punt Road, while club legend Kevin Bartlett said his current deal was over the odds and hoped he remained.
Nixon said he advised clients never to move to a Melbourne rival for less than $150,000 more a season, and up to $250,000 if the move was interstate.
“Sometimes agents get caught up in trying to prove to the player how good they are. You have to make a decision for your client, not for yourself,’’ he said.
‘’You wouldn’t move to another Melbourne-based club unless they are a chance of a premiership, offer a minimum of $150,000 more or a longer-term deal, and can provide additional networks to you outside football.
‘’You are taxed at 48 cents in the dollar and if you are moving interstate you need to re-settle and get another place and it’s not worth it unless it's for $250,000 more.’’
Nixon said players like Martin should not be criticised for winning the huge deal he is currently enjoying.
‘’People need to understand when GWS came into the competition three years ago they were in a position to make him a pretty good offer, and he looked like being the next big thing. I think he has taken a big step.
‘’But there are plenty of guys getting over and above what they might deserve because they are only in the game for a short time. If he breaks his leg next year he is out of the game.’’
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martins-former-manager-ricky-nixon-advises-young-tiger-to-stay-at-richmond/story-fndv7pj3-1226721281762
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Hogan + pick#2
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Hope Martin is reading most of this stuff, from Nixon and Demetriou etc.
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Giants in talks with Martin
Jake Niall
The Age
September 18, 2013
Greater Western Sydney will closely consider the option of recruiting Richmond's out-of-contract youngster Dustin Martin, who can walk to the Giants in the pre-season draft.
Sources have confirmed that the Giants are talking to the Martin camp this week. The midfielder has been unable to reach agreement with Richmond about a new contract and the Tigers went public on Monday with the news that he was fielding offers from other clubs. Martin went on social media later in the day to say that he had not walked out on the club.
Martin has been offered close to $500,000 a season in his next contract by the Tigers, who released a statement on Monday expressing disappointment in the stalemate.
GWS can use its No.1 pick in the pre-season draft to recruit Martin, rather than having to recruit him via a trade.
The Tigers have been mindful of their tight cap and payments structure in dealing with Martin, who has been a high-maintenance player for the club in his four years at Punt Road.
"Given the considerable effort we have put into Dustin's development both on and off the field, and our efforts to retain him all season, we are extremely disappointed with this decision," Richmond general manager of football, Dan Richardson, said in a statement on Monday. "We are proud of the way Dustin has developed as a footballer and as a person in his time at Richmond, and we have been steadfast in our view that he is a required player who has an exciting football career ahead of him.
"However, we understand the business of football, and Dustin's right to pursue other opportunities.
"We have also stated previously that we are determined to adhere to our payment strategy for all of our players.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/giants-in-talks-with-martin-20130917-2txj4.html#ixzz2fAbIypTY
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“Sometimes agents get caught up in trying to prove to the player how good they are. You have to make a decision for your client, not for yourself,’’ he said.
Still reckon Nixon is a moron
But the above is absolutely spot on
Pity Carr doesn't apply it
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Nixon convinced him to stay the first time. Lets hope he can do it again. The parties need to recommence communicating. Impasse is not helping either party. Channel 7 still saying he is set to leave the club. Glad AFL president urged him to stay with us. Glad about Bartlett's comments.
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FFS, even Nixon can see it :banghead
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it seems to me that Dustins heart isnt at Richmond. that being the case its better he leaves.
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FFS, even Nixon can see it :banghead
:lol
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it seems to me that Dustins heart isnt at Richmond. that being the case its better he leaves.
Dont think his heart has anything to do with it at the moment Ramps, reckon he has the wrong people in his head TBBH
I wonder if the Tigers have played all their cards yet? What I mean by that is getting those who Dusty really trusts to have a quiet word ;D
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it seems to me that Dustins heart isnt at Richmond. that being the case its better he leaves.
Dont think his heart has anything to do with it at the moment Ramps, reckon he ahs the wrong people in his head TBBH
I wonder if the Tigers have played all their cards yet? What I mean by that is getting those who Dusty really trusts to have a quiet word ;D
Flying his Dad down from Sydney for a visit? :rollin
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it seems to me that Dustins heart isnt at Richmond. that being the case its better he leaves.
Dont think his heart has anything to do with it at the moment Ramps, reckon he ahs the wrong people in his head TBBH
I wonder if the Tigers have played all their cards yet? What I mean by that is getting those who Dusty really trusts to have a quiet word ;D
Flying his Dad down from Sydney for a visit? :rollin
Nah we will leave Dad out of it
I am talking about people within footy and within/at the Club
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Dustin is not the sharpest tool in the shed and there in lies the problem. Had he been a little smarter his contract would have been handled well before now.
Martin is being pulled from pillar to post in this saga through the actions of his manager "Carr" (would love to know who recommended that one) who's more intent on making himself right than actually doing what is right.
Carr has been bagged by media for months and he aint about to cave and make them right after all it is only Richmond not Collingwood.
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(http://i.imgur.com/RpcHE.jpg)
:whistle
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(http://i.imgur.com/RpcHE.jpg)
:whistle
Soo what's your point exactly?
Posting a pic that's close to 2 years old?
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(http://i.imgur.com/RpcHE.jpg)
:whistle
Soo what's your point exactly?
Posting a pic that's close to 2 years old?
I was going to ask if this pic was current..... ::)
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i was searching for a Dayle Garlett picture and this is what came up 8)
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(http://i.imgur.com/RpcHE.jpg)
:whistle
Soo what's your point exactly?
Posting a pic that's close to 2 years old?
I was going to ask if this pic was current..... ::)
Nope it's not
At least 18 months old if not 2 years
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it seems to me that Dustins heart isnt at Richmond. that being the case its better he leaves.
Dont think his heart has anything to do with it at the moment Ramps, reckon he has the wrong people in his head TBBH
I wonder if the Tigers have played all their cards yet? What I mean by that is getting those who Dusty really trusts to have a quiet word ;D
We can only hope WP!!
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Dustin is not the brightest tool in the shed
Don't mix your metaphors Rodge. It's not healthy :lol
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(http://i.imgur.com/RpcHE.jpg)
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:whistle
Were they in a gang together?
Love those matching emblems
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(http://i.imgur.com/RpcHE.jpg)
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:whistle
Were they in a gang together?
Love those matching emblems
It's the New York Yankees logo = MLB baseball team
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it's still gay to wear the same jacket as your mate. ;D
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They got matching skateboards too
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lol
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And matching brain size
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I was just relieved they were both wearing seatbelts ;D
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I was just relieved they were both wearing seatbelts ;D
you wanna strap yourself in when you are dutching a car in the maccas car park
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I was just relieved they were both wearing seatbelts ;D
you wanna strap yourself in when you are dutching a car in the maccas car park
True ;D :thumbsup
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Hhahaha
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whats dutching mean?
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It means to git rud of somethung
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Ta
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Dustin is not the brightest tool in the shed
Don't mix your metaphors Rodge. It's not healthy :lol
Yeah, saw that Dice after i posted it, fixed it for you :cheers
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Barrett on MMM this arvo said Richmond only have a 5-10% chance of retaining Martin.
David King tonight on AFL360 said Martin should cut ties with Carr :clapping.
Our leadership group met up with Dusty last night.
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Barrett on MMM this arvo said Richmond only have a 5-10% chance of retaining Martin.
David King tonight on AFL360 said Martin should cut ties with Carr :clapping.
Our leadership group met up with Dusty last night.
So he is staying! ;D
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leadership group met him last night
connors saw him day before with a bag of roofies
paul medhurst carr every other day
see ya dusty
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Barrett on MMM this arvo said Richmond only have a 5-10% chance of retaining Martin.
David King tonight on AFL360 said Martin should cut ties with Carr :clapping.
Our leadership group met up with Dusty last night.
Who said Martin met our leadership group?
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The Age reporting Melbourne, Coll and Carlton have all ruled out going after Martin.
This is backfiring on Carr and Martin big time. Brisbane doing their due diligence and GWS still in the frame.
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Barrett on MMM this arvo said Richmond only have a 5-10% chance of retaining Martin.
David King tonight on AFL360 said Martin should cut ties with Carr :clapping.
Our leadership group met up with Dusty last night.
Who said Martin met our leadership group?
They did meet up ;).
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The Age reporting Melbourne, Coll and Carlton have all ruled out going after Martin.
This is backfiring on Carr and Martin big time. Brisbane doing their due diligence and GWS still in the frame.
Here's the Age article ...
Dees won't chase Martin
Jake Niall
The Age
September 19, 2013
Despite holding pick No.2 in the pre-season and national drafts and having a midfield need, Melbourne has ruled out pursuing Richmond's out-of-contract midfielder Dustin Martin, while the Brisbane Lions are prepared to meet with Martin's management and will do their ''due diligence'' before making any play.
Greater Western Sydney is meeting Martin, who has opted to pursue offers from rival clubs after his negotiations with the Tigers stalled, but a number of clubs, including Carlton, Collingwood and - most significantly - the lowly Demons have chosen not to pursue the highly talented and high-maintenance 22-year-old midfielder.
Melbourne's newly appointed senior coach Paul Roos had conversations with Martin's manager, Ralph Carr, after Carr contacted him, but it is understood that the Demons have discussed Martin internally and ruled against pursuing the midfielder, whom clubs believe is seeking about $600,000 a season. Richmond has been close to $100,000 shy of that amount.
Melbourne is believed to have viewed the anticipated price tag for Martin as excessive.
Carlton, touted as a potential bidder for Martin given the club's wish to improve its midfield, also has indicated it is not interested in Martin - contrary to speculation that Mick Malthouse would be willing to punt on the explosive midfielder.
Collingwood, too, is not interested in Martin, despite that club's apparent need for both speed and some bigger bodied midfielders.
The Lions have indicated that they will speak to Martin's management, but any decision to pursue the midfielder would almost certainly require approval by the club hierarchy. The Lions are mindful of the disruption caused by Brendan Fevola's expensive recruitment at the end of 2009, and while the shy Martin is a far cry from the extroverted ''Fev,'' the club will exercise caution before deciding whether Martin is wanted.
Collingwood, meanwhile, is set to put a revised offer this week to Dale Thomas, who is considered likely to walk to Carlton as a free agent. Thomas is slated to have a medical examination by the Blues, who are well placed to sign ''Daisy'' on a long-term deal.
The Blues have not yet been told that free agent small forward Eddie Betts is leaving, though there is little chance of them matching an anticipated massive offer from Adelaide.
Like Thomas, Betts is a restricted free agent, which allows his club to match the nominated bid and retain him. In both instances, this is unlikely.
Melbourne is among the clubs to have shown interest in GWS midfielder Taylor Adams, who is expected to leave the Giants and join a Victorian club. Richmond, Carlton and Geelong have all shown interest in Adams, who has met various Victorian clubs.
Richmond has taken a tough stance on Martin, announcing that the midfielder was fielding offers from other clubs after months of negotiations failed to reach agreement, the club expressing ''disappointment'' that the player was fielding offers.
Martin, however, quickly responded by tweeting that he had not ''walked out'' on the club. Martin said he had asked Carr to request an extension of time from Richmond, ''to allow me to fully consider the options about my future.
''As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that I won't make lightly.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dees-wont-chase-martin-20130918-2tzsp.html#ixzz2fGZZWdnw
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I'm overMartin bigtime dragging this on so long.When Ifurther read that he turned up to the St Kilda mad Monday 6 days out from a final and turned back as the media were all over it that's just the tip of the cake someone so unmature and greatfull.
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I hope he listens to the leadership group. I would have got Shane Tuck to have a word with him as well. Tuck is well respected among the players and I reckon Martin would listen to him.
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I hope he listens to the leadership group. I would have got Shane Tuck to have a word with him as well. Tuck is well respected among the players and I reckon Martin would listen to him.
The one I'd have talking ot him is the bloke who lived with him for 9 months = Luke McGuane
Barrett on MMM this arvo said Richmond only have a 5-10% chance of retaining Martin.
David King tonight on AFL360 said Martin should cut ties with Carr :clapping.
Our leadership group met up with Dusty last night.
Who said Martin met our leadership group?
They did meet up ;).
Yes they did and Kingy hinted at it too on AFL360 last night.
Gave Carr a whack as well ;D
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The one I'd have talking ot him is the bloke who lived with him for 9 months = Luke McGuane
Isn't Luke about to be traded to Brisbane?
Or is that what you meant?
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The one I'd have talking ot him is the bloke who lived with him for 9 months = Luke McGuane
Isn't Luke about to be traded to Brisbane?
Or is that what you meant?
Luke is a free agent and what does his contract status have to do with this?
Luke lived with Dusty for most of this year. Dusty has alot of respect for Luke and trusts him
eliminator suggested Tucky have a word to Dusty because of the respect Tucky had within the playing group
I am suggesting that seeing Luke and Dusty are so close that perhaps it would be good for Dusty to have a chat with Luke about this mess he finds himself thanks to this turkey Ralph Carr
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The one I'd have talking ot him is the bloke who lived with him for 9 months = Luke McGuane
Isn't Luke about to be traded to Brisbane?
Or is that what you meant?
Luke is a free agent and what does his contract status have to do with this?
Luke lived with Dusty for most of this year. Dusty has alot of respect for Luke and trusts him
eliminator suggested Tucky have a word to Dusty because of the respect Tucky had within the playing group
I am suggesting that seeing Luke and Dusty are so close that perhaps it would be good for Dusty to have a chat with Luke about this mess he finds himself thanks to this turkey Ralph Carr
not sure luke would be the best advocate for teh RFC considering he is about to be delisted
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Surprised if none of the players have proactively contacted Dusty to show him the light. His decision will impact them just as much himself.
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Spotted Dusty and Carr boarding a plane for sydney.
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Scenario 1: Brisbane says no to Martin, GWS says no to Martin, We get Adams, Conca signs with us, WE DELIST MARTIN as we can't fit him in our salary cap
Scenario 2. Brisbane says no to Martin, GWS says no to Martin, We get Adams, Conca leaves, Martin signs
Scenario 3. We get Adams, Conca and Martin
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Yep Dusty and Carr left for Sydney at 8.00am this morning
See:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/out-of-contract-richmond-star-dustin-martin-jets-out-for-sydney/story-fnfll94y-1226722549552
Hopefully Dusty's old man was there to greet them ;D
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not sure luke would be the best advocate for teh RFC considering he is about to be delisted
Disagree because Luke is a quality individual.
And I don't think it is about Dusty talking to people who are trying to simply sell him the club per se, just like it shouldn't be just about the money. It's also about they other stuff away from the club that he needs to understand.
And IMHO that needs to come from a mature head who he trusts like Luke. Not dim witted morons like Dan Connors or Ralph Carr
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Carr already dipping into that extra ~7k he can't seem to get Martin ;D
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dusty in sydney meeting with gws :thumbsup
pick#1 + patton :pray
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dusty in sydney meeting with gws :thumbsup
pick#1 + patton :pray
If he does go there, expect it to be in a deal for Adams. Think we can safely rule out #1 and Patton.
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
:bow
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
Yep.
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
Don't want dusty to go but if he did could live with this deal, would expect though Adams plus second rounder
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AFL.com.au understands Martin was due to meet with a Giants delegation on Thursday led by senior coach Leon Cameron, list manager Stephen Silvagni and CEO David Matthews.
The Giants appear to be in the box seat to snare Martin should he decide to leave Richmond, with reports on Thursday suggesting Melbourne had pulled out of the race. having baulked at the midfielder's apparent asking price of $600,000 a season.
However, the Brisbane Lions are also believed to be interested in talking with Martin.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-19/dusty-meets-the-giants
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However, the Brisbane Lions are also believed to be interested in talking with Martin.
They're only interested coz they don't have a coach. Soon as one is appointed they will go cold on Dusty. A new coach taking on Dusty might be career suicide.
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However, the Brisbane Lions are also believed to be interested in talking with Martin.
They're only interested coz they don't have a coach. Soon as one is appointed they will go cold on Dusty. A new coach taking on Dusty might be career suicide.
Unless the new coaching panel includes Leppa ;D
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2013 Offseason News @theafloffseason twitter:
"BRISBANE are the latest club to chase Dustin Martin, with the Lions likely to offer up Billy Longer and a pick for the out-going Tiger."
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as a famous aussie once said, tell 'em they're dreamin'
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billy longer, is he the kid that wanted to dance?
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billy longer, is he the kid that wanted to dance?
Nah. That's Billy Shorter. ;D
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Martin needs strong mentor
David Schwarz
Geelong Advertiser
September 19th, 2013
Handcuffed and locked up after being found passed out in a Wangaratta backyard on Christmas Eve in 2006 was the turning point for Steve Johnson.
He'd been the larrikin boozer who was at Geelong for a good time. He drank too much too often. He broke both his ankles jumping off a pub roof in 2003 and has endured eight operations on them since.
Collingwood had looked at picking Johnson but knocked him back after he failed a fitness test.
But that Christmas with the cops was the end of the line for the big drinker.
Johnson was taught some tough lessons about behaviour, privilege and pride.
Geelong could see something in him, but he couldn't see it in himself.
The Cats needed to be firm with him. He needed a strong mentor to get him on the right track because he was headed to nowhere.
After a club-imposed suspension, the tide started to turn. It took until 2008 before he completed his first full pre-season.
He has really blossomed since, learning that he holds the key to his future.
Richmond's Dustin Martin is where Stevie J was eight years ago. Lost off the field, lost within his club and with his name on the trade table.
I don't want Martin to be found passed out in a country town, I want him to show faith in a mentor who has his interests at heart.
He's had a troubled upbringing. But there comes a time when people need to act for the future, and this is the time for Dustin.
I fear that he is being managed very badly.
The Tigers have put so much time into him and he needs to repay them.
The club is going places. He just played in a final. Next year it might be two or three.
The Tigers put a great deal on the table for him.
At 22, why would he sneeze at $500,000 a year? He should be thankful to be gifted an environment to develop into a better person.
But his manager, Ralph Carr, has not done his client any favours.
I know Richmond will not offer Martin the same money again. The club is only going down in price.
Carr is only new in the player management business after years in music. He started with about a dozen clients and now has four.
Carr needs to recognise that Dustin isn't your average footballer. He's hung out with crooks and been out far too late at parties during important times for the club.
The Tigers have had mentors in place for him. They've had minders. He's lived with the club president.
They would be disappointed if for the sake of $50,000 all that work was to be undone.
It would be great if Martin could have a chat with Stevie J - an open conversation about the privileges he's been gifted.
I'm sure Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams has been a strong voice this year for Martin.
And sometimes it can take just one constant person to reiterate what's required.
When I was playing, we had a prodigious talent in Travis Johnstone come to the club.
He was troubled, but Demons champion Stephen Tingay took him under his wing and guided him through some tough times.
I can only imagine how bad it could have gotten for Johnston if Stinga wasn't beside him.
I don't want to suggest which Richmond players need to buddy up with Martin because I'm sure some have tried and been rejected.
But what Dustin must do is seek the counsel of someone who has only his best interests at heart.
Stevie J has gone on to play in three winning grand final sides and win a Norm Smith Medal.
I'd love to see Dustin up there one day too, not unconscious in someone's backyard. Or worse.
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2013/09/19/373276_news.html
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
Don't want dusty to go but if he did could live with this deal, would expect though Adams plus second rounder
agree. sure hope he stays. but if he goes we will go adams and likely pick 20. cant see em offering up pick 9 and a potential elite player in adams.
if we keep martin i cant see us getting adams. collingwood are heavily into him apparently and they have a better pick to offer.
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
Don't want dusty to go but if he did could live with this deal, would expect though Adams plus second rounder
agree. sure hope he stays. but if he goes we will go adams and likely pick 20. cant see em offering up pick 9 and a potential elite player in adams.
if we keep martin i cant see us getting adams. collingwood are heavily into him apparently and they have a better pick to offer.
I don't think GWS will be to fussed over picks for Adams, it will be who has the best senior player up for grabs. I'm not sure who Collingwood had to offer but I would be putting Foley on the table. Adams for Foley would be a win win for both clubs.
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Foley for Adams would be a MASSIVE win
RFC don't have massive wins
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Adams and #9
Then I will abuse Dustin Martin every single GWS home game for the rest of his miserable life
Don't want dusty to go but if he did could live with this deal, would expect though Adams plus second rounder
agree. sure hope he stays. but if he goes we will go adams and likely pick 20. cant see em offering up pick 9 and a potential elite player in adams.
if we keep martin i cant see us getting adams. collingwood are heavily into him apparently and they have a better pick to offer.
I don't think GWS will be to fussed over picks for Adams, it will be who has the best senior player up for grabs. I'm not sure who Collingwood had to offer but I would be putting Foley on the table. Adams for Foley would be a win win for both clubs.
Loui i mentioned on another thread we have failed here in signing Foley for 3 years. Mid year too :banghead :banghead
Putting that aside, i doubt it wouldve been a like for like with Adams but certainly would've helped our bargaining power.
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Foley being contracted is meaningless Daniel
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Good write, Ox. :thumbsup
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Foley being contracted is meaningless Daniel
i know what your saying and i hope you are right, but odds are against him moving.
How often does a player jump ship after just signing a contract
as coach said earlier its very Craig Cameron like to sign him for 3 years.
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Robbo on SEN just now mentioned that Brisbane's offer to Dusty is $650 p.a. over 4 years.
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Leuburger :pray
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Longer pls
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Robbo on SEN just now mentioned that Brisbane's offer to Dusty is $650 p.a. over 4 years.
That's what he was after. We offered him $580K. Probably off to Brisbane then..........
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Longer pls
id take longer and their first pick
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Longer pls
id take longer and their first pick
Yep! Pick 7 and Longer thank you!
Martin and either McGuane/Nahas/Derickx as a sweeter!
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Mayes Pls or GTFO
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Bye Bye Dust Bin. You wont see him back at Tigerland. Hope he gets smashed on the field.
more lata. :banghead
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If its accurate that hes been offered 650k pa over four years I honestly wish him well. The way I see it, if he left for a little more then he's a selfish dumbarse, but cant knock a bloke who is being offered way more than we can offer. That's footy and that's life. Good luck, just get the trade done tigers!
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Dusty doesn't appear to have too many on his side:
Port Adelaide champion Warren Tredrea urges Richmond to part ways with star Dustin Martin
Warren Tredrea
The Advertiser
September 19, 2013 12:00AM
CUT Dustin Martin free and you won't look back.
That is my message to the Richmond Football Club.
On the field, Martin is a young star of the highest quality. Off the field, he is a ticking time bomb.
That’s why the Tigers must be ruthless and hold firm by not overpaying him.
As dominant and explosive as the 187cm, 89kg midfielder is, he has a lot of growing up to do.
With 86 games under his belt since being drafted at No. 3 at the 2009 national draft, Martin should be shooting to superstardom with 60,000 Tiger fans cheering his every move.
But late Monday it was revealed that he wanted to pursue offers from rival clubs.
In other words, he is chasing a huge payday.
I feel sorry for Richmond.
It has supported the erratic Martin through thick and thin.
It has paid him well above his market rate for the past few years and only now is Martin beginning to fulfil his part of the bargain on the field.
As brilliant as he is, Martin has lacked consistency and the Tigers’ offer of $1 million over two years is fair.
Martin should have signed on the dotted line as soon as that deal was put to him.
Martin’s fellow Richmond stars Jack Riewoldt, Brett Deledio and skipper Trent Cotchin have all re-signed at Tigerland for less money than they could have received elsewhere.
Apart from the money, you have to question what Martin wants out of football.
Richmond appears to be on the verge of something special, so surely "Dusty’s" best shot at winning a premiership is to stay where he is.
By putting himself on the open market, Martin has snubbed his club and teammates and shown that a flag might not be that important to him.
Every premiership team consists of players who could have earned more cash elsewhere.
But to be successful good players need to stay together, which means sacrificing money so clubs can stay under the salary cap and keep their best players.
If it’s all right for Riewoldt, Deledio and Cotchin to buy in, why not the other member of the "Core Four", Martin?
The gamebreaker is treating Richmond — a club which has done so much for him — with contempt.
Off the field, Martin is no angel.
He has a long list of off-field indiscretions which go back to his school years.
The Tigers have had to suspend him for failing to attend training sessions and have gone out of their way to keep him on the straight and narrow, including having development coach Mark Williams take him under his wing this year.
This appeared to have worked, with Martin enjoying a career-best season.
Staying at Richmond where the club has established a valuable support network for him could be vital in Martin fulfilling his potential.
I worry that his manager isn’t handling the situation well.
Ralph Carr is the same man who oversaw Travis Cloke’s public contract saga last year.
Someone needed to tell Cloke to bite his tongue rather than run a public commentary on his contract status, which inflamed his situation and put unnecessary pressure on the struggling big man.
Martin not only needs a manager who can negotiate a good financial deal but, more importantly, someone who recognises how good his client has it at Richmond.
With the former star Tiger and current chief executive Brendon Gale rebuilding the club, it appears destined for continued success both on and off the field.
Importantly, they have 60,000 paid-up members and major sponsors who have just recommitted, allowing the Tiges to invest heavily in their football department.
With regular support mechanisms in place for Martin, coach Damien Hardwick can’t do any more to help the excitement machine prosper.
Williams even tried to teach Martin life skills to help him better cope both now and in the future.
But Martin appears to have thumbed his nose at it all.
All for what, on the surface, appears to be about an extra $100,000 a season.
His decision is a poor one.
Hopefully Martin quickly comes to his senses and realises the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.
A quick reversal in attitude would give him the chance to still become a Tiger folk hero.
But Richmond needs a quick and clear answer.
Anymore toing and froing and it just has to cut its losses and set Martin free.
Actions speak louder than words and if the Tigers can pick up a top draft pick for Martin, spend the extra cash in their salary cap wisely and continue to create a strong culture, they could set up a decade of success.
One disgruntled player must not be allowed to undo all the good work the Richmond hierarchy has performed to get this proud club, which has been in the wilderness for so long, back into a position to contend for a flag again.
It’s time for a tough decision at Punt Rd.
http://www.facebook.com/l/QAQH6n8Gs/m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-champion-warren-tredrea-urges-richmond-to-part-ways-with-star-dustin-martin/story-fni5f9de-1226722248671 (http://www.facebook.com/l/QAQH6n8Gs/m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-champion-warren-tredrea-urges-richmond-to-part-ways-with-star-dustin-martin/story-fni5f9de-1226722248671)
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The Jake Niall story about no interest from Carlton, Pies but especially Melbourne is extremely concerning. We needed the dees to be interested for an effective trade.
I am now desperately hoping he signs.
I hope Richmond don't get too cute with this talk of the contract offer reducing the longer Dusty takes to sign. Yes he is losing currency by the minute but we now run the risk of getting nothing for him.
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Lions and Giants both bidding, we'll get a first round pick plus a young player taken in the first round from one of them
which is unders IMO but what the **** are you going to do
wait till the trade is done and then let all the skeletons out
THE ZOMBIES ARE COMING FOR YOU DUSTY
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A lot of people on here think that GWS are going to be quite benevolent when it come to trade negotiations. Why would they be? Stealing Dustin Martin in the PSD is exactly the type of mongrel that GWS need to show to themselves and to the rest of the league if they want to be a fair dinkum club, I wouldn't trust them.
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A lot of people on here think that GWS are going to be quite benevolent when it come to trade negotiations. Why would they be? Stealing Dustin Martin in the PSD is exactly the type of mongrel that GWS need to show to themselves and to the rest of the league if they want to be a fair dinkum club, I wouldn't trust them.
Exactly
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wont happen because we will take any trade over nothing
players only get to the PSD when their original club wont accept the trade terms
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If its accurate that hes been offered 650k pa over four years I honestly wish him well. The way I see it, if he left for a little more then he's a selfish dumbarse, but cant knock a bloke who is being offered way more than we can offer. That's footy and that's life. Good luck, just get the trade done tigers!
Get him stuffed off ASAP and as The 'Kin said, let the skeletons out.
Good luck to whomever gets him, and better still, when the same scenario presents itself when his contract is up (if he is still playing) good luck retaining him.
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Wow, wasn't aware of this forum. Seems to be quite busy. I'm looking for a new home as for weeks now my posts on another unnamed popular forum have to be approved by a moderator due to me jokingly questioning a certain board owner about their bias against Cotchin and undying love for Jacko.
I see a couple of ex-posters are on here. Well all I can say is :cheers
Looks like Martin is gone, hey?
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A lot of people on here think that GWS are going to be quite benevolent when it come to trade negotiations. Why would they be? Stealing Dustin Martin in the PSD is exactly the type of mongrel that GWS need to show to themselves and to the rest of the league if they want to be a fair dinkum club, I wouldn't trust them.
Exactly
Won't happen. Too simplistic a view of a complex situation.
Anyway, I'm almost praying for a trade to be done now. If not for 2 good youngsters in replace of one to add to our depth, the fact that he'll walk into either young club as virtually the king means he'll go off the rails faster than you can say white pony
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Wow, wasn't aware of this forum. Seems to be quite busy. I'm looking for a new home as for weeks now my posts on another unnamed popular forum have to be approved by a moderator due to me jokingly questioning a certain board owner about their bias against Cotchin and undying love for Jacko.
I see a couple of ex-posters are on here. Well all I can say is :cheers
Looks like Martin is gone, hey?
Welcome to OER best RFC forum going around, I will give you a brazillion rep points to start you off
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yep must post pics of your brazilian - site rules
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A lot of people on here think that GWS are going to be quite benevolent when it come to trade negotiations. Why would they be? Stealing Dustin Martin in the PSD is exactly the type of mongrel that GWS need to show to themselves and to the rest of the league if they want to be a fair dinkum club, I wouldn't trust them.
Exactly
Won't happen. Too simplistic a view of a complex situation.
Anyway, I'm almost praying for a trade to be done now. If not for 2 good youngsters in replace of one to add to our depth, the fact that he'll walk into either young club as virtually the king means he'll go off the rails faster than you can say white pony
Well we better hope some other clubs show some interest then, by Dusty's action I don't think he would give a poo if we got bent over
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:lol
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I thought the site rules pertained to sumping the rump for line crossers?
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Welcome to OER best RFC forum going around, I will give you a brazillion rep points to start you off
Thanks, I think ;D
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If Brisbane is his destination what of Martin and Luke McGuane for Daniel Rich and Billy Longer.
Would think more upside for us getting Rich.
Just putting it out there guys.
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From twitter:
jarrod @footynutcase: - "dustin martin has told gws he is staying at richmond"
Stog @SaneMadness: - "Got a source?"
jarrod @footynutcase: - "I am in Sydney and that is what I have heard"
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Mods need to do something about these excessive emoticon posters
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Richmond’s Martin ill advised: Richardson
Written by: AAP+
Filled in: AFL News | 19/9/2013 at 8:40pm
Richmond great Matthew Richardson has criticised Dustin Martin’s manager as the Tiger young gun weighs up moving AFL clubs.
Martin reportedly flew to Sydney on Thursday, with manager Ralph Carr, to meet Greater Western Sydney officials.
Richardson said it appeared the Giants were the most likely destination for Martin if he left the Tigers.
But the Tiger great said the difference in money he could make with GWS, wooden spooners this year, wouldn’t make it worth leaving a club who played finals.
“Dustin, I think he’s getting poor advice from his manager, absolutely no doubt about that. I find it hard to believe myself personally,” Richardson told Melbourne’s 3AW.
“Because why would you want to leave a club where you’ve had a good year? You’ve just played in a final in front of 95,000 people; you played pretty well; probably nearly best on ground at halftime.
“I think the club’s supported Dustin pretty well over his four years so far.
“He’ll probably finish top three in the best and fairest and that will be his second top three.
“I wish he probably had a bit better think about it.”
The Tigers said earlier this week they were extremely disappointed that the 22-year-old, who they picked at No.3 in the 2009 draft, was considering other options.
Martin responded by saying he hadn’t quit the Tigers, but needed time to consider his future.
Richardson said Martin was within his rights to explore how much he could earn elsewhere, but doubted a move would result in a huge pay rise and said he would still earn plenty if he stayed a Tiger.
“He’d be in the top echelon of their salary bracket,” he said.
Read more: http://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/richmonds-martin-ill-advised-richardson/88341#ixzz2fKqJwtHP
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Mods need to do something about these excessive emoticon posters
:lol :lol :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :cheers :cheers :whistle :whistle
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a) will believe it when theres a source
but
b) maybe why the RFC delayed the Conca re-signing until tomorrow?
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From twitter:
jarrod @footynutcase: - "dustin martin has told gws he is staying at richmond"
Stog @SaneMadness: - "Got a source?"
jarrod @footynutcase: - "I am in Sydney and that is what I have heard"
Lets bloody hope so!
If he does I will be singing the 'grog squads' song all bloody year!!
:cheers
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I'd dance for joy, maybe get some neck tattoos :lol
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let it go lads its a done deal.
have a listen to sos very sure in his answers and particulary when he defended dustin's character you get the feeling a contract is not far away. Only my opinion but id say we have next to no chance of keeping him.
He is a gutless little idiot and wouldnt have the balls to step foot back in our club
all i can say to this stuffstick is shut the door on your way and karma will come back and bite you. Its one thing to chase the $$, but this is personal and dont be fooled this choice of his is a lot more than just $$$.
welcome adams to Punt Road
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I'll reserve judgement until I hear what $$$ he'll be leaving us for.
One thing I did notice, SOS backed him harder publicly than we ever have. Maybe we didnt handle him as we'll as we like to think? Having the leadership group publicly talking about keeping him on the straight and narrow in the media, couldn't have helped endearing him to them...
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Tony I think our club has gone above and beyond for Dustin.If Sos thinks they can handle it better and differently then that's fine too.
it just amazes me no end that a club on the cusp of great things is ditched by a man who I think owes us .But I guess in todays world such things as loyalty and mateship are no longer priorities.
I should qualify and say he hasn't ditched us yet
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Tony I think our club has gone above and beyond for Dustin.If Sos thinks they can handle it better and differently then that's fine too.
it just amazes me no end that a club on the cusp of great things is ditched by a man who I think owes us .But I guess in todays world such things as loyalty and mateship are no longer priorities.
I should qualify and say he hasn't ditched us yet
I have no doubt they have, and i think hes gone about this very poorly... But I think it was a mistake for Cotch, Newman, Dimma to publicly say things like he needs structure to stay on the straight and narrow, can't be bored etc etc. These are private things to be discussed privately not aired publicly. When I first heard it last preseason It raised my eyebrow, since then its been talked about multiple times. I just don't think that was the right way to go about it. Ive also never once heard us stick up for him like SOS did, things like that have an impact on young impressionable kids' personas. All I'm saying is there seems to be shed loads of backslapping going on about how good we've been, but maybe we haven't.
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Jon Ralph from the Herald-Sun ...
The Tigers still believe they can keep Martin but for now have taken their offer for the 22-year-old off the table while he negotiates with other clubs.
Martin and his manager, Ralph Carr, yesterday flew to Sydney and met with a delegation of Greater Western Sydney officials after flying to Sydney.
In Sydney, Martin and Carr were met by GWS senior coach Leon Cameron, list manager Stephen Silvagni and chief executive David Matthews, touring Skoda Stadium and the club’s Sydney Olympic Park training facilities.
Martin’s father lives in Camden in southwest Sydney and, while GWS is keen, it has not offered Martin a deal.
The Giants let Richmond know they were talking to Martin yesterday, and must decide whether to make an official offer for the controversial Tiger.
The Tigers had tired of four months of frustrating negotiations talks with Carr, who is desperate keen to extract $600,000 a season for his starclient.
It is understood the Tigers do not have an offer on the table for Martin at present given the contract impasse.
The Tigers still want to sign Martin but a two-year deal of about $1 million has been withdrawn, with negotiations to start anew if he chooses Richmond as his preferred home.
They still want to sign Martin, but grew frustrated by Carr’s negotiating tactics and the fact they believed they were on the verge of an agreement before the latest developments.
While Brisbane has expressed early interest, it is still unlikely to push hard for Martin given his off-field troubles and salary requirements.
The Lions are not officially out of the race but given they do not have a coach and are still recovering from the Brendan Fevola trade, they are long odds for a concerted bid for Martin.
It remains to be seen if Martin would relocate to Sydney if he was paid less than $600,000. It means it is effectively the Giants or bust for Martin has denied walking out on Richmond but says he is actively pursuing other offers.
The GWS interest is concerning for Richmond given it has the first pick in the preseason draft and could get him for nothing if he walks.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/out-of-contract-richmond-star-dustin-martin-jets-out-for-sydney/story-fnfll94y-1226722549552
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Even if Dusty wants to stay you have to wonder if he has the strength of character to crawl back with his tail between his legs.
2 to 1 says he's gone and whoever we get for him we'll still be screwed. Dusty is a rare talent.
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Giants zero in on Martin
Andrew Wu, Sydney
The Age
September 20, 2013
Greater Western Sydney chief David Matthews has described Dustin Martin as a ''very sincere young man'' after giving the out-of-contract Richmond star a guided tour of the club's facilities on Thursday.
Matthews was particularly impressed by Martin despite the 22-year-old's history of off-field problems during his short and promising career, but said the club still needed to conduct its due diligence on the player like it does with any prospective recruit.
''I thought he spoke well, presents well, he seems like a lot of young people - the game gives a lot of young people from a variety of backgrounds an opportunity and they all develop in different ways,'' Matthews said.
''I was impressed, he spoke very sensibly. To me he seems a very sincere young man.''
Martin - whose father lives in Sydney - and his manager Ralph Carr were shown around Skoda Stadium and the club's training base at Sydney Olympic Park on Thursday by Matthews, list manager Stephen Silvagni, coach Leon Cameron and football manager Graeme Allan.
Matthews said there was no discussion about contracts or remuneration, describing the day as ''nothing more formal than a meet and greet''.
''It's not unlike the process we anticipate going through with a number of players that might be interested in moving as their seasons finish,'' Matthews said.
''He wanted to find out a bit more about the club.
''He's unknown to us, we wanted to take the opportunity to get to know him.''
Martin's future is clouded after he informed Richmond earlier this week of his desire to field offers from other clubs.
The Giants, coming off a poor season, have made no secret of their wish to secure ready-made players either in their prime or approaching it to complement their highly talented but inexperienced young list.
Martin has also been linked to the Brisbane Lions but the Giants, if interested, are in the box seat to snare the player as they have first pick in the pre-season draft if a trade cannot be agreed upon with Richmond.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/giants-zero-in-on-martin-20130919-2u2i7.html#ixzz2fLqOc7Ia
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Greg Denham in the Australian...
The intrigue surrounding Dustin Martin's future intensified yesterday when he and his manager met Greater Western Sydney about a change of environment.
With negotiations at a stalemate at Richmond, the out-of-contract midfielder is fielding offers from rival clubs.
Brisbane and the Giants have expressed an interest in Martin, who is expected to make a decision next week.
It is understood that Richmond has reached a point where it is preparing for his departure after running out of patience with the 22-year-old.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-is-keen-to-talk-to-nick-dal-santo/story-fnca0u4y-1226723118797#sthash.CP1ehvbB.dpuf
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Port Adelaide champion Warren Tredrea urges Richmond to part ways with star Dustin Martin
Warren Tredrea
From: The Advertiser
September 19, 2013
CUT Dustin Martin free and you won't look back.
That is my message to the Richmond Football Club.
On the field, Martin is a young star of the highest quality. Off the field, he is a ticking time bomb.
That’s why the Tigers must be ruthless and hold firm by not overpaying him.
As dominant and explosive as the 187cm, 89kg midfielder is, he has a lot of growing up to do.
With 86 games under his belt since being drafted at No. 3 at the 2009 national draft, Martin should be shooting to superstardom with 60,000 Tiger fans cheering his every move.
But late Monday it was revealed that he wanted to pursue offers from rival clubs.
In other words, he is chasing a huge payday.
I feel sorry for Richmond.
It has supported the erratic Martin through thick and thin.
It has paid him well above his market rate for the past few years and only now is Martin beginning to fulfil his part of the bargain on the field.
As brilliant as he is, Martin has lacked consistency and the Tigers’ offer of $1 million over two years is fair.
Martin should have signed on the dotted line as soon as that deal was put to him.
Martin’s fellow Richmond stars Jack Riewoldt, Brett Deledio and skipper Trent Cotchin have all re-signed at Tigerland for less money than they could have received elsewhere.
Apart from the money, you have to question what Martin wants out of football.
Richmond appears to be on the verge of something special, so surely "Dusty’s" best shot at winning a premiership is to stay where he is.
By putting himself on the open market, Martin has snubbed his club and teammates and shown that a flag might not be that important to him.
Every premiership team consists of players who could have earned more cash elsewhere.
But to be successful good players need to stay together, which means sacrificing money so clubs can stay under the salary cap and keep their best players.
If it’s all right for Riewoldt, Deledio and Cotchin to buy in, why not the other member of the "Core Four", Martin?
The gamebreaker is treating Richmond — a club which has done so much for him — with contempt.
Off the field, Martin is no angel.
He has a long list of off-field indiscretions which go back to his school years.
The Tigers have had to suspend him for failing to attend training sessions and have gone out of their way to keep him on the straight and narrow, including having development coach Mark Williams take him under his wing this year.
This appeared to have worked, with Martin enjoying a career-best season.
Staying at Richmond where the club has established a valuable support network for him could be vital in Martin fulfilling his potential.
I worry that his manager isn’t handling the situation well.
Ralph Carr is the same man who oversaw Travis Cloke’s public contract saga last year.
Someone needed to tell Cloke to bite his tongue rather than run a public commentary on his contract status, which inflamed his situation and put unnecessary pressure on the struggling big man.
Martin not only needs a manager who can negotiate a good financial deal but, more importantly, someone who recognises how good his client has it at Richmond.
With the former star Tiger and current chief executive Brendon Gale rebuilding the club, it appears destined for continued success both on and off the field.
Importantly, they have 60,000 paid-up members and major sponsors who have just recommitted, allowing the Tiges to invest heavily in their football department.
With regular support mechanisms in place for Martin, coach Damien Hardwick can’t do any more to help the excitement machine prosper.
Williams even tried to teach Martin life skills to help him better cope both now and in the future.
But Martin appears to have thumbed his nose at it all.
All for what, on the surface, appears to be about an extra $100,000 a season.
His decision is a poor one.
Hopefully Martin quickly comes to his senses and realises the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.
A quick reversal in attitude would give him the chance to still become a Tiger folk hero.
But Richmond needs a quick and clear answer.
Anymore toing and froing and it just has to cut its losses and set Martin free.
Actions speak louder than words and if the Tigers can pick up a top draft pick for Martin, spend the extra cash in their salary cap wisely and continue to create a strong culture, they could set up a decade of success.
One disgruntled player must not be allowed to undo all the good work the Richmond hierarchy has performed to get this proud club, which has been in the wilderness for so long, back into a position to contend for a flag again.
It’s time for a tough decision at Punt Rd.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-champion-warren-tredrea-urges-richmond-to-part-ways-with-star-dustin-martin/story-fndv8s6g-1226722248671#mm-breached
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From Tiger71 on BF:
"I had a fairly long chat with my source tonight. I am not going to rehash old news as most get the picture of how the negotiations broke down etc. Firstly and ill say this again, Conca is a lock which is fantastic. Secondly Dusty has till EOB Friday to give us his answer, if he does not we trade him.
My source believes and trust me he would know. That GWS are considering Dusty and have not made a decision as of yet. Also todays circus was exactly that, a circus ( It was more to show the world that "Hey players want to come to us!" from GWS and Carr " "Hey Richmond we are serious!"). If Buddy is going to GWS then there is no way, none that they will take Dusty and also Fisher on. So they have a lot to work through. They will trade Adams, we actually have a solid working relationship with GWS. People forget Choco is well respected over there.
Choco has given his old employer his opinion on what's best for Dusty, that carried a lot of weight from what I have been told. Our players went hammer and tong today giving Dusty a clear message. If he does not accept the deal before him he will be gone as they players will not want him back. One of the reasons I believe richo came out today and spoke.
From my source the club still has not given up hope that Dusty will see sense but they also have plans set in place if he does go. The coaching group believes we are so close with player personnel to being a consistent finals side that will threaten to make a GF.
The thing that gave me most confidence. We have planned for the day if we had to replace Dusty this since the Connor's incident.
Lastly when I asked whats to stop GWS asking Dusty to go into the PSD the answer was simple. All he said to me was "Choco and Leon will make sure if we do trade dusty and I stress he said IF, they will make sure a fair deal is done".
Make of that what you will."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-dustin-martin-contract-limbo-thread-dusty-meets-with-gws.1032410/page-121#post-30229414
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Monday the RFC called Carr's bluff
Reckon part of yesterday's "little adventure" included Carr trying to call the RFC's bluff.
Someone must have tipped off the media about trip etc.... the games people play
Some do it better than others :rollin ;D
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Thought it was really good of Richo to come out and say what he did. Hopefully that sways Martin. Thought article from Tredrea makes clear what the football world think of the situation. When a multitude of people who are respected in the football world are saying you are receiving poor advice from your manager it is time to start listening
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I just hope dusty re signs :thumbsup
Cotch, lids, martin, conca, tigger, ellis, adams and arnott.... whoa :shh
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Thought it was really good of Richo to come out and say what he did. Hopefully that sways Martin. Thought article from Tredrea makes clear what the football world think of the situation. When a multitude of people who are respected in the football world are saying you are receiving poor advice from your manager it is time to start listening
Agree
And when people that some think are usually morons are saying the same things (eg Darcy) and more importantly are making sense with what they say, then the message and sentiment is very clear.
I don't think I've not heard one person in football, who has played the game at AFL level say the kid is doing the right thing.
And I don't think I've ever heard so many people in footy be so critical of a manager as they have been with Ralph Carr
In a word - DAMNING
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When was the last time a player took a "tour" of another club in a town where his dad lives and decided against leaving
His gone for all money
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This says it all for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6gdMPwiM_E
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This says it all for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6gdMPwiM_E
great Video WOW this lad has it all, what a excellent footballer. Think we need to put the offer back on the table with some more underneath it. Got to keep this lad. the upper body strength to push big bodied players of is awesome. :gotigers
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If Dusty signs now, has the player group lost respect for him over this debacle?
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If Dusty signs now, has the player group lost respect for him over this debacle?
l wouldn't think so considering it's normal for player managers to shop around for the best offer. The manager gets a bigger cut & only thinking of himself really. Carr would not care who Dusty plays for. his just another $$$ maker like anybody on this planet. In fact his doing his job by getting players more money regardless of how much but he aint got any friends in the ruthless business. l can see a Brereton / Yates clash coming ;D
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Ive also never once heard us stick up for him like SOS did, things like that have an impact on young impressionable kids' personas.
Gee, I reckon the club had nothing but good things to say 12 months ago when all the rumours were swirling about another off-field misadventure. Hardwick in particular got stuck into the press and the club as a whole couldn't have done or said more to 'have Martin's back' than it did then.
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If Dusty signs now, has the player group lost respect for him over this debacle?
I think many Richmond fans will see martin as a mega flog
Regardless if be stays or goes
Good footballer, no doubt
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Ive also never once heard us stick up for him like SOS did, things like that have an impact on young impressionable kids' personas.
Gee, I reckon the club had nothing but good things to say 12 months ago when all the rumours were swirling about another off-field misadventure. Hardwick in particular got stuck into the press and the club as a whole couldn't have done or said more to 'have Martin's back' than it did then.
I would think the club constantly coming out and saying there was no truth in the rumours that have swirled around the kid over time is a pretty strong statement of support.
As Smokey said when Dimma came out earlier this year and described the rumour mongering as being "un Australian" I think that was a massive show of support.
How much do you want them to do?
The media are the ones that have made a fair whack of the off field stuff into a story, not the club.
Would also think the old adage of "actions speaking louder than words" applies in this case as well.
The Club has done alot for this young man. I think there is a lot of things that have been done that we don't know about and quite frankly that's the way it should be.
So I don't think we needed a running commentary on what they've done. The fact that we didn't get one was IMV more to do with what was in Dusty's best interests rather than a daily update of "what we're doing for Dusty" which wouldn't have been
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We should have done more WP
WE SHOULD have allowed dusty to live at the president s house. The captians house. Got our assistant coach to help him pay his phone bills
Oh wait :-\
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If Dusty signs now, has the player group lost respect for him over this debacle?
I think many Richmond fans will see martin as a mega flog
Regardless if be stays or goes
Good footballer, no doubt
Agree if he keeps the manager
But give the manager the flick and all will be forgiven pretty quickly ;D
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Agree if he keeps the manager
But give the manager the flick and all will be forgiven pretty quickly ;D
Agree mate , but I think the problem will be that if he signs a two year deal with us that halfway through 2015 we'll be going through the same crap with him again if he hasn't ditched racoon head.
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The re-signing of Reece Conca by Richmond until at least until the end of 2016 will tighten up the Tigers' salary cap, Eddie McGuire said on Friday.
"They needed to get them on the right figures to get both of those players (Conca and Dustin Martin) in and Martin's figures that he was asking for was going to knock Conca out," McGuire said on Triple M.
"The fact Richmond have said 'we're going to get on with what we're doing', means that the squeeze is being applied."
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/9/dustin-martin-set-to-leave-richmond/
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Agree if he keeps the manager
But give the manager the flick and all will be forgiven pretty quickly ;D
Agree mate , but I think the problem will be that if he signs a two year deal with us that halfway through 2015 we'll be going through the same crap with him again if he hasn't ditched racoon head.
If Dusty is still at Richmond, I doubt Racoon Piece will still be his manager
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The re-signing of Reece Conca by Richmond until at least until the end of 2016 will tighten up the Tigers' salary cap, Eddie McGuire said on Friday.
"They needed to get them on the right figures to get both of those players (Conca and Dustin Martin) in and Martin's figures that he was asking for was going to knock Conca out," McGuire said on Triple M.
"The fact Richmond have said 'we're going to get on with what we're doing', means that the squeeze is being applied."
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/9/dustin-martin-set-to-leave-richmond/
Understand what Eddie is saying and in part agree
But what Eddie fails to mention is we still have a number of others still not re-signed.
So if the RFC wanted to and I am not saying I think they should or would but if they wanted to find more $$ for Martin they could make a call to de-list one of the borderline players (aka list cloggers ;D) they were considering keeping for another 12 months and use part of that salary to "up" the offer to Martin. Then use the difference in $$ at the draft table where the contract $$ you are required to pay are alot less
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If Dusty is still at Richmond, I doubt Racoon Piece will still be his manager
True. It's untenable. Tiges won't wanna deal with any player who has this knob as their manager I'd imagine.
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Barrett in his 'Sliding Doors' article today:
IF .................. Dusty isn’t at Punt Rd in 2014 …
THEN .............. hundreds and hundreds of man-hours will be freed up and able to be redistributed into other areas of player welfare.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-20/sliding-doors-finals-week-three
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:lol how's the rat cam working?
I'm also impressed with the hard questions being asked by your apprentice, :shh
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(http://i.imgur.com/0OABovz.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/0OABovz.jpg)
Is that Dusty and Carr?
That's the type of car, Carr would drive!! No Jeep!!
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:cheers
GWS out of the race...
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-09-20/dustin-martin
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So that leaves Richmond and Richmond?
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From Caro an the Age Web-site but the bloody page wont open ;D
AFL News
Dustin Martin keen to stay at Richmond
CAROLINE WILSON 12:57pm Dustin Martin may not be lost to Richmond, after Greater Western Sydney chose not to pursue the troubled midfielder.
http://www.theage.com.au/news-wire
As soon as I can get the page open will post what Caro's got to say ;D
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From Caro an the Age Web-site but the bloody page wont open ;D
AFL News
Dustin Martin keen to stay at Richmond
CAROLINE WILSON 12:57pm Dustin Martin may not be lost to Richmond, after Greater Western Sydney chose not to pursue the troubled midfielder.
http://www.theage.com.au/news-wire
As soon as I can get the page open will post what Caro's got to say ;D
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Hmmmm it was there 3 minutes ago now it's gone :rollin
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So that leaves Richmond and Richmond?
And Carr's position as Dusty's manager untenable! :yep
Seriously the clown should have his AFL player manager licence revoked after this circus.
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well this is awkward
like being the first to suggest a MMF threesome and being left hanging
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So that leaves Richmond and Richmond?
And Carr's position as Dusty's manager untenable! :yep
Seriously the clown should have his AFL player manager licence revoked after this circus.
Although I agree
He hasnt' actually broken any rules
I don't there is a rule that says "Player Agents can't be morons"
And reading the GWS statement it's clear they didn't approach Dusty & The Racoon Wearer
Racoon Wearer approached them
ANd there is still one other club and that's Brisbane, you knwo the club that hasn't got a coach, has a board fight on its hands and that the AFL has announced today that they will be stepping into to sort out ;D
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So that leaves Richmond and Richmond?
And Carr's position as Dusty's manager untenable! :yep
Seriously the clown should have his AFL player manager licence revoked after this circus.
Although I agree
He hasnt' actually broken any rules
I don't there is a rule that says "Player Agents can't be morons"
They can enforce that rule now that Ricky Nixon has gone! ;D
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Dustin Martin keen to stay at Richmond after GWS pulls out of running for his services
Date September 20, 2013 - 10:57AM
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
Dustin Martin could still remain at Richmond and has confided to key Tiger figures that his preference would be to stay at the club.
Martin’s conflicting emotions have come to light as Greater Western Sydney has chosen not to pursue the troubled 22-year-old.
The Giants entertained Martin and his manager Ralph Carr on Thursday and were left with the impression that Martin still held close links with his club of four years. He is believed to have told coach Damien Hardwick, among others, that he wants to remain at Richmond.
GWS was expected to inform Martin’s management on Friday afternoon that the club would not be making Martin an offer.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-keen-to-stay-at-richmond-after-gws-pulls-out-of-running-for-his-services-20130920-2u42p.html#ixzz2fOo1JLXj
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Dustin Martin keen to stay at Richmond after GWS pulls out of running for his services
Date September 20, 2013 - 10:57AM
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
Dustin Martin could still remain at Richmond and has confided to key Tiger figures that his preference would be to stay at the club.
Martin’s conflicting emotions have come to light as Greater Western Sydney has chosen not to pursue the troubled 22-year-old.
The Giants entertained Martin and his manager Ralph Carr on Thursday and were left with the impression that Martin still held close links with his club of four years. He is believed to have told coach Damien Hardwick, among others, that he wants to remain at Richmond.
GWS was expected to inform Martin’s management on Friday afternoon that the club would not be making Martin an offer.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-keen-to-stay-at-richmond-after-gws-pulls-out-of-running-for-his-services-20130920-2u42p.html#ixzz2fOo1JLXj
If this the case and I'm not dubting Caro here
It's pretty simple now Dusty.
Either pick up the phone or hop a plane with your old man Shane and drive to Punt Road without your "ninkum poop" manager present (and Dad being there will ensure Racoon head does as he is told) and agree to terms.
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Wowee, was looking forward to a few early draft picks but am really happy both players are staying (hopefully)
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I'm just as keen for the manager going down as I am for dusty to come back.
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I'm just as keen for the manager going down as I am for dusty to come back.
Yep I'm a bit the same way
Knew the day Dusty signed with this cretin it was bad news for the kid
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offer 450k over 3 years.. just to say you are an idiot for listening to your stuffwit manager
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All this is making sense now....Just found this in the letterbox.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2lvnt77.jpg)
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Tell them both to faark a sheep
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I know I might be a LITTLE bit biased, but it just staggered me the decision to field other offers. After the initial shock, prepared my thoughts:
1.) To tell someone to look elsewhere when your playing for a big four club ON THE UP after 30 years in hiatus. Did the record elim final crowd NOT suggest the power of the club.
2.) That we'd been paying overs for the last 3 years.
3.) We'd done everything for the kid ensure that he was in the right crowd, doing the right things. Dusty might not recognize this, but surely any decent manager should.
4.) The endorsement and market placement for him to stay at richmond was surely worth more than a measly 80k a year.
I know we've all said it before, but just had to vent. stuff me what a moronic decision.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gws-decides-not-to-pursue-dustin-martin/story-fni5f9jb-1226723527290
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As much as I am pi55ed at the whole situation, its turning into a laugh a minute 'que benny hill theme'
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Reckon Bachar Houli might've had a quiet word in his eye and explained to him the bigger picture. GWS pulling out means they know Dusty wasn't viable. ZYesterday was pure PR
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah ?
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well this is awkward
like being the first to suggest a MMF threesome and being left hanging
:lol :lol :lol
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St Kilda is the latest club to say it has no interest in Martin.
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st kilda coach did not let fisher holiday with dusty
too much bad news that boy
burning of midgets is alright , however :)
St Kilda footballers Sam Fisher and David Armitage have cancelled an end-of-season trip to the US with Richmond's Dustin Martin at the urging of their coach.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-cancel-trip-with-tiger-20130913-2tqd0.html#ixzz2fP2wdlkO
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Righto , so now let's call the media down to Punt Rd so they can get their footage of Taylor Adams touring A REAL FOOTBALL CLUB'S facilities.
Touche' GWS !
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st kilda coach did not let fisher holiday with dusty
too much bad news that boy
burning of midgets is alright , however :)
:lol
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Dustin Martin could be forced to return to Richmond
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
September 20, 2013 2:11PM
DUSTIN Martin wore a hard hat as he toured the Greater Western Sydney facilities, but he may need a tank if he's forced to return to Punt Rd.
Martin and his manager Ralph Carr this week told an exasperated Richmond they were off to negotiate with rival clubs.
But the 22-year-old is running out of escape routes after GWS today performed a dramatic back-flip, saying they were no longer interested.
With Carlton, Melbourne, St Kilda and Collingwood also turning their backs, Martin is facing the very real prospect of returning to the Tigers with his tail between his legs.
He would come face-to-face with teammates, of whom several were angry at his refusal to re-commit to a club that had supported him through a litany of off-field issues.
Can he even return now? Has too much damage been done?
The Tigers reached breaking point earlier this week after four months of frustrating negotiations with Carr, refusing to go near the $600,000 a season he was demanding.
The club withdrew the offer and re-signed Reece Conca, who was desperate to stay from the outset. How they must wish Martin was the same.
From the outside, Martin and Carr have attempted to bully Richmond into upping their offer by flirting with others.
Richmond has called their bluff.
In this career-shaping game of po-ker, Martin’s next hand will be intriguing.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-could-be-forced-to-return-to-richmond/story-fndv8t7m-1226723604992#mm-breached
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http://youtu.be/LUYbu5DJA1U
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http://youtu.be/LUYbu5DJA1U
;D
"Yes Division, we have the perpetrator Ralph Carr now in custody....He won't be causing any further damage in the short term."
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The correct thing now for Martin to do is to reopen negotiations with the club and sack Carr as a sign of good faith.
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The correct thing now for Martin to do is to reopen negotiations with the club and sack Carr as a sign of good faith.
No the correct thing for Dusty to do is:
1/ deal with the Club directly
2/ sign a contract without his manager's interference
3/ and then at the presser announcing his re-signing at the Tigers sack the cretin in front of the media :clapping
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This may not be finished folks
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The correct thing now for Martin to do is to reopen negotiations with the club and sack Carr as a sign of good faith.
No the correct thing for Dusty to do is:
1/ deal with the Club directly
2/ sign a contract without his manager's interference
3/ and then at the presser announcing his re-signing at the Tigers sack the cretin in front of the media :clapping
Have to disagree. He should not deal with the club directly. It should be through an agent so no allegations can be made of undue influence or coercion. He should immediately terminate the services of Carr and seek alternative representation.
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A lovely portrait of Dusty and His Manager. ;D
(http://i42.tinypic.com/ermul5.jpg)
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The correct thing now for Martin to do is to reopen negotiations with the club and sack Carr as a sign of good faith.
No the correct thing for Dusty to do is:
1/ deal with the Club directly
2/ sign a contract without his manager's interference
3/ and then at the presser announcing his re-signing at the Tigers sack the cretin in front of the media :clapping
If I was Dusty how about calling Cotch's manager and get him to sort the whole thing out. Done and DUSTED
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Thommo on SEN reckons Dusty will re-sign in the next 24 hours.
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The correct thing now for Martin to do is to reopen negotiations with the club and sack Carr as a sign of good faith.
No the correct thing for Dusty to do is:
1/ deal with the Club directly
2/ sign a contract without his manager's interference
3/ and then at the presser announcing his re-signing at the Tigers sack the cretin in front of the media :clapping
Have to disagree. He should not deal with the club directly. It should be through an agent so no allegations can be made of undue influence or coercion. He should immediately terminate the services of Carr and seek alternative representation.
Players are allowed to represent themselves
The only person who'd be claiming "undue influence and coercion" would be the person who's services have been terminated
And rgiht at the minute I don't think he has much support the in footy farternity :rollin :rollin
This may not be finished folks
I'll bite. What do you mean?
Seriously I don't think it's over one way or another by a fair margin
Just nice to know the little stunt from yesterday has turned out the way it has ;D
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Thommo on SEN reckons Dusty will re-sign in the next 24 hours.
Captain Flaming Obvious Nathan Thompson?
Perhaps his company is hoping to score a new client ;D
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
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From twitter:
trout @TroutWoodend - "Dusty a tiger for two years on first offer and happy it's over. He just wants to play footy"
David Barrot @Barrot01 - "I heard Dusty's dad got involved and told both to pull their heads in"
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From twitter:
trout @TroutWoodend - "Dusty a tiger for two years on first offer and happy it's over. He just wants to play footy"
David Barrot @Barrot01 - "I heard Dusty's dad got involved and told both to pull their heads in"
Common sense prevails. Although as they say, the only problem with common sense is that it is not common at all.
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From twitter:
trout @TroutWoodend - "Dusty a tiger for two years on first offer and happy it's over. He just wants to play footy"
David Barrot @Barrot01 - "I heard Dusty's dad got involved and told both to pull their heads in"
Does this mean he's signed???
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From twitter:
trout @TroutWoodend - "Dusty a tiger for two years on first offer and happy it's over. He just wants to play footy"
David Barrot @Barrot01 - "I heard Dusty's dad got involved and told both to pull their heads in"
Want it as fact before I believe it...he is a pivotal part of our our premiership tilt.
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Big Footy Twiiter suggesting it will be 3 years ;D
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Heard it is a 10 year - $1m deal like Alistair Lynch got. :rollin
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The correct thing now for Martin to do is to reopen negotiations with the club and sack Carr as a sign of good faith.
No the correct thing for Dusty to do is:
1/ deal with the Club directly
2/ sign a contract without his manager's interference
3/ and then at the presser announcing his re-signing at the Tigers sack the cretin in front of the media :clapping
Have to disagree. He should not deal with the club directly. It should be through an agent so no allegations can be made of undue influence or coercion. He should immediately terminate the services of Carr and seek alternative representation.
Players are allowed to represent themselves
The only person who'd be claiming "undue influence and coercion" would be the person who's services have been terminated
And rgiht at the minute I don't think he has much support the in footy farternity :rollin :rollin
This may not be finished folks
I'll bite. What do you mean?
Seriously I don't think it's over one way or another by a fair margin
Just nice to know the little stunt from yesterday has turned out the way it has ;D
Not advisable to enter negotiations with player directly for a multitude of reasons.
Hope twitter feeds correct
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
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Im still pi55ed at dusty but ill get over it if true
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Might want to read your own poo stuffhead, oh and it's embarrassed you tool... :lol
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Oh, come on!
There are so many similarities between than what happened with Ottens it is uncanny.
Here, I will list them;
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:lol
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The biggest fool is Carr, for telling Dusty Maori, " Nah man, i reckon i could get ya 650k+ a year somewhere else"
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Oh, come on!
There are so many similarities between than what happened with Ottens it is uncanny.
Here, I will list them;
:lol :lol :rollin
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That dude on Big Footy Tiger71 or whatever they call themselves
Is suggesting 3 years at $475-$500k a season
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That dude on Big Footy Tiger71 or whatever they call themselves
Is suggesting 3 years at $475-$500k a season
UNDERS!! Good stuff RFC. Excuse me while I go and touch everything wooden in the house
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
All great points, Andy. ;D
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Oh, come on!
There are so many similarities between than what happened with Ottens it is uncanny.
Here, I will list them;
1. He walked out!!!! That's enough champ.
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
Yes agree.
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
Yep , and every team we play against next year Dimma says ' fire up Dusty , remember these are the pricks that didn't want you '
;D
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Oh, come on!
There are so many similarities between than what happened with Ottens it is uncanny.
Here, I will list them;
1. He walked out!!!! That's enough champ.
Martin hasn't walked out. He's just checking out if other clubs are interested which he is entitled to do, is he not?
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Also don't forget he's looking at millions at the age of 22. I'd probably have poo myself too haha
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There is a reason he is my favourite player, ill forgive him no worries
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
Yes agree.
X2
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Also don't forget he's looking at millions at the age of 22. I'd probably have poo myself too haha
Surely you racked up close to a mil in your time, Andy? ;D
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Oh, come on!
There are so many similarities between than what happened with Ottens it is uncanny.
Here, I will list them;
1. He walked out!!!! That's enough champ.
Martin hasn't walked out. He's just checking out if other clubs are interested which he is entitled to do, is he not?
Is that you raccoon mop top?
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Who is Raccoon? Forgive and forget you blokes. Martin will stick around. Ottens was not in anyway similar to this.
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To lose Martin would be as bad as it gets for this club, already embarrassed by losing to the Blues who finished 9th and now this..... :banghead
We will be a worse side if Martin goes, no doubting it, another stuffing Ottens story!
I have read some stupid pooh on this forum but this takes the biscuit. The RFC are not the enbarassed party here. Lmfaoooooo
Oh, come on!
There are so many similarities between than what happened with Ottens it is uncanny.
Here, I will list them;
1. He walked out!!!! That's enough champ.
yeah i suppose, in the same way a friesian cow is just like an ancona chook.
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Also don't forget he's looking at millions at the age of 22. I'd probably have poo myself too haha
Surely you racked up close to a mil in your time, Andy? ;D
Bahaha
Swimming in debt ATM to be honest :D
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Ralph Carr's front lobby ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUlaKRvCIAEyATF.jpg)
https://twitter.com/ichymochek/status/380934776091189248/photo/1
:laugh:
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At least one of your houses didn't burn down brother. Not fun setting up the tent
Ralph Carr's front lobby ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUlaKRvCIAEyATF.jpg)
https://twitter.com/ichymochek/status/380934776091189248/photo/1
:laugh:
haha
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Who is Raccoon?
On top.
(http://www.ralphcarr.com/web/resource/img/rc_july09.jpg)
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Wow that's unreal
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Who is Raccoon? Forgive and forget you blokes. Martin will stick around. Ottens was not in anyway similar to this.
I think most people capable of some semblance of a sensible thought process realise that Dusty is just a not too bright footballer being taken advantage of by a grubbly slime ball who no doubt possesses the gift of the gab, which is totally different from Ottens.
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Who is Raccoon? Forgive and forget you blokes. Martin will stick around. Ottens was not in anyway similar to this.
I think most people capable of some semblance of a sensible thought process realise that Dusty is just a not too bright footballer being taken advantage of by a grubbly slime ball who no doubt possesses the gift of the gab, which is totally different from Ottens.
Martin is just a really impressionable kid. Not his fault his raccoon wearing turd of a manager is chasing dollars and promising the world to him. Let's just hope after he signs the contract, Carr is given the flick :cheers
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Martin is a gun.
STFU U weak pricks.
Stop crying because some of you read it wrong and made asses of yourselves 8)
You'll all be up his arse next year if you aren't to bust trying to redeem yourselves by bagging his entirety.
Bring him on in 2014...with a face tattoo.
Dusty Maori bro.
Chur fullaz!!!
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A double rainbow over Punt Rd Oval. It's a sign! ;D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUlbAQbCEAAKjTK.jpg)
https://twitter.com/BreannaBartlett/status/380935703623782401/photo/1
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I don't think anyone says he is not a gun
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Come on, give him a break, he may have wanted to go to Sydney to be near his dad, but if it's fallen through he can come back to his tiger family now..... and like a true families all will be forgiven.......Go Tigers!!!! :rollin
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Very Biblical 8)
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:lol his yet to meet with the club :rollin
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A lovely portrait of Dusty and His Manager. ;D
(http://i42.tinypic.com/ermul5.jpg)
make me his manager ;D
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There's still the alleged Brisbane offer isn't there? $650k/year for 4 years?
I doubt it though. No coach, afl intervening and still likely smarting from the Fev mess
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There's still the alleged Brisbane offer isn't there? $650k/year for 4 years?
I doubt it though. No coach, afl intervening and still likely smarting from the Fev mess
I think what's come out is that he's now hesitant to leave. The impression GWS got was that he wasn't totally keen on leaving, so GWS trying to keep their PR in check by saying that they didn't really want him anyway. One more hurdle to get over and then I reckon its done.
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
I really do hope you mean re-sign (as in stayng) not resign (as in leaving) ;D
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 saying Dusty likely to stay at the RFC
Also said the GWS paid for the flights up to Sydney yesterday
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Serioisly, how badly has the Ralph Carr handled all this?
Unprecedented number of hole points for him and his wig he wears backwards
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Mark Stevens on Ch7 saying Dusty likely to at the RFC
Also said the GWS paid for the flights up to Sydney yesterday
He will have to stay away from Bad Boy Bubba if he signs ;D
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SEN Huddo, just said Dimma and Dusty had a meeting today! Should stay at the club!! :jump :jump
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
I really do hope you mean re-sign (as in stayng) not resign (as in leaving) ;D
Gotta love the good old hyphen.
Almost as misused as the apostrophe.
:lol
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
I agree with you Andyy.
And I'll bet Wayne Campbell would too.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUmOVPgCIAA4AaK.png)
https://twitter.com/RT_73/status/380992139074609152/photo/1
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Yep 're-sign' not resign haha.
iPhone makes it difficult sometimes
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SEN Huddo, just said Dimma and Dusty had a meeting today! Should stay at the club!! :jump :jump
Yes Tony Sheahan (mike's son) said Dusty was seen in St Kilda having a beer with Dimma
@TonySheahan: @Richmond_FC gun Dustin Martin could remain a Tiger. Martin was seen in St kilda late this afternoon enjoying beers w coach Damien Hardwick
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SEN Huddo, just said Dimma and Dusty had a meeting today! Should stay at the club!! :jump :jump
Yes Tony Sheahan (mike's son) said Dusty was seen in St Kilda having a beer with Dimma
@TonySheahan: @Richmond_FC gun Dustin Martin could remain a Tiger. Martin was seen in St kilda late this afternoon enjoying beers w coach Damien Hardwick
Isn't Dimma just a great all round guy. What better way to make him feel like his welcome back! A light ale with an understanding mentor.
Well done Dimma!!!!! :cheers
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Jon Ralph's take about Dusty's meeting with GWS. Seems Caro was right (again). dusty told GWS he wants to stay at Richmond ;D
@RalphyHeraldSun: GWS basically think they were used as a stalking horse for Dusty Martin. They refused repeated requests to table an offer during the year
@RalphyHeraldSun: Then they showed Dusty around at his request but he made it clear to them he wanted to stay during their meeting. Now he surely stays at RFC
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The incompetence of Carr appears to know no bounds ;D
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Ch 7 news tonight claimed GWS paid for Dusty and Carr's flight up to Sydney yesterday.
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:thumbsup
Ch 7 news tonight claimed GWS paid for Dusty and Carr's flight up to Sydney yesterday.
Not like they can't afford it, I am sure Ralph wouldn't pay for it!!
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so according to the collective media,the visit to GWS was at the insistence of carr, yet GWS paid for the flights and when he is there martin tells GWS he wants to stay at Richmond
LMAO. the whole thing is a circus, a circus that has only clowns
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LMAO. the whole thing is a circus, a circus that has only clowns
And a flying toupee
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Send in the toupee tamer
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Or the RSPCA because a raccoon or ferret was clearly harmed during the making of that rug
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:thumbsup
Or the RSPCA because a raccoon or ferret was clearly harmed during the making of that rug
I'll report it and ask for the inspectors to be sent.......
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Did tina turner hand it down to him?
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Carr reminds me of Dennis Denuto from the castle - NFI !!!
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It's the vibe.
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at least Dennis knew when he was out his league.
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Bit late now, but Dermie on SEN before the game says that the rumor he was hearing is that Richmond are happy to talk with him, but only on their terms. Seems a little to hasty. Just get it DONE tigs!
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If he has re-signed IMO it's important we forgive his moment of indecision and accept him back warmly.
Give him every reason to love RFC and play hard for us then resign again later.
I really do hope you mean re-sign (as in stayng) not resign (as in leaving) ;D
Gotta love the good old hyphen.
Almost as misused as the apostrophe.
:lol
You teach computer geeks, stop acting like an english teacher. Why do you care anyway, I'm sure all your students go heavy on the spell-check anyway
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LMAO. the whole thing is a circus, a circus that has only clowns
And a flying toupee
:rollin
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Bit late now, but Dermie on SEN before the game says that the rumor he was hearing is that Richmond are happy to talk with him, but only on their terms. Seems a little to hasty. Just get it DONE tigs!
the club is in full control. you shouldnt panick. the club cannot and will not allow the tail to wag the dog. for 30 years players and coteries have run the asylum at Punt Road. those days are over.
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Regardless of any games being played, who's trying who out, the club must secure this player, we simply can't afford for him to leave and we sure as hell can't replace his talent!!
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Regardless of any games being played, who's trying who out, the club must secure this player, we simply can't afford for him to leave and we sure as hell can't replace his talent!!
No excuses for not signing him
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Regardless of any games being played, who's trying who out, the club must secure this player, we simply can't afford for him to leave and we sure as hell can't replace his talent!!
No excuses for not signing him
Yeah well there's not!
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yep, just give him what he wants and be grateful we have him. why change the formula that has been so successful for the last 30 years?
anyone that knows anything, knows that the individual is more important than the team.
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Well for how many years have we overpaid players to keep them? Bloody every year, every year we have overpaid crap players, absolute crap players, now we have a star, possibly a Brownlow medalist and we want to draw a line in the sand now.... Honestly. Perhaps if the line was drawn with players like Nathan Brown, Darren Gasper, Sanchez and the like there would be a president to follow. To start now with this player is ludicrous, pay him the extra $100,000 and be done with it.
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Well for how many years have we overpaid players to keep them? Bloody every year, every year we have overpaid crap players, absolute crap players, now we have a star, possibly a Brownlow medalist and we want to draw a line in the sand now.... Honestly. Perhaps if the line was drawn with players like Nathan Brown, Darren Gasper, Sanchez and the like there would be a president to follow. To start now with this player is ludicrous, pay him the extra $100,000 and be done with it.
Youve lost the plot WA :gotigers
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Well for how many years have we overpaid players to keep them? Bloody every year, every year we have overpaid crap players, absolute crap players, now we have a star, possibly a Brownlow medalist and we want to draw a line in the sand now.... Honestly. Perhaps if the line was drawn with players like Nathan Brown, Darren Gasper, Sanchez and the like there would be a president to follow. To start now with this player is ludicrous, pay him the extra $100,000 and be done with it.
Youve lost the plot WA :gotigers
Why????
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Martin wants to stay a Tiger
Date:September 21, 2013
Caroline Wilson
Chief Football Writer for The Age
The disgraceful handling of troubled young footballer Dustin Martin reached a new low point on Thursday when the bewildered-looking 22-year-old was led around a football club he didn't really want to join.
And a club that, upon meeting Martin and upon brief reflection, came to the conclusion it did not really want him. Like Melbourne before it, Greater Western Sydney has enough of a job on its hands without taking on a high-maintenance player with social issues when what it craves is on-field leadership.
Martin clearly wants to remain at Richmond, which has been as good as home to him since he was drafted as a wayward but prodigiously talented 18-year-old and which has put in place a series of mentors and minders for him and offered him a two-year contract worth about $1million. Internally, both coach and captain are asking him to stay. Externally, either Martin's manager Ralph Carr or his father Shane must cut their losses and make it happen. While life in many ways would be significantly less stressful for the Tigers without Martin, he remains theirs and their problem. This columnist now seriously questions whether he is worth the trouble and if Martin does return to Tigerland with his tail between his legs it would serve everyone in his camp right if the offer is reduced.
Further, the AFL Players Association's agents board should make a point of analysing this debacle as a test case and seriously question Carr's accreditation. He has handled this so unprofessionally and should have realised how much potential harm he could cause his client.
Next week the explosive young star should finish in the top five in the club best and fairest. If only he had the strength he demonstrates on the MCG and took a stand on his own as Reece Conca did this week and put pen to paper without waiting for his manager to get to town.
Conca has sacrificed significant money, which Fremantle had placed on the table to stay at Richmond. No one yet has put their hand up for Martin, and that GWS has chosen not to pursue him despite the difficulty that club has had luring players, shows how concerned it must be about his issues.
When Martin turned up so dishevelled he was told to leave the track in January this season, the concerned and frustrated Tigers went to AFL medicos and asked for the player to be target-tested for illegal drugs. That Martin was able to have the season he did after his problematic off-season speaks volumes for the work put into him by Richmond.
And yet Carr continued to claim all year there were offers aplenty for Martin. Richmond called his bluff in what appeared a risky but ultimately necessary stand. It seems true that Martin was being shopped around by his manager Carr because of an undertaking given to Martin's father and yet no offer has yet been tabled. Martin appears to have begun to lose his way late in the season when his management attempted to bring the contract issues to a head on the day Richmond lost to Carlton in round 20.
Martin had a relatively frank conversation with GWS bosses, in which he acknowledged he had some work to do to clean up his reputation. That seems likely to be Richmond's job now and a change of management wouldn't hurt either.
Some intriguing revelations came to light during what can only be described as a cynical tyre-kicking exercise orchestrated by Carr and recorded by media from the time on Thursday morning that the young footballer arrived at Melbourne Airport.
When asked by the Giants about whom he looked to for advice and mentoring, Martin, in front of Carr, put forward the Richmond Football Club and key individuals within that organisation. How embarrassed Carr must have felt.
During the day Martin was contacted by coach Damien Hardwick and received text messages from his captain Trent Cotchin. He briefly spoke on Friday with outgoing president Gary March, with whom he remains close. Both Cotchin and Hardwick reassured Martin the club still regarded him as a Tiger and wanted him to stay.
Which must say something for how Richmond feels about him. But should Martin return - as now seems probable - to a club he never really left, he has some work to do to win back its trust and that of his teammates.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-wants-to-stay-a-tiger-20130920-2u42p.html#ixzz2fTs0h3iU
:clapping :clapping
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Just get it done Tiges!!!!!
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continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
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continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Yep agree but it should of been done years ago as I said, not now, why not pay him the money, then draw the line in the sand for future deals?
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The article said Conca signed before his manager was in town, don't know what that means?
Positives from this whole saga, Richmond come out looking like a genuine organisation, which in turn attracts other players. They've set their own standard, and any player who doesn't want to be a part of it is "welcome" to go and search elsewhere. What's glaringly obvious is that no one wants to leave. I'm all for a player trying to get just payments, after-all we deserve what we're worth. Carr obviously put Martin in some deluded mindset that he was work 700k and surprisingly, Martin (who isn't the most impressionable bloke going around......oh wait) was taken along for the ride.
My concern at this point is, that they almost HAVE to pay unders for him now, seeing as every other player that has signed up this year has been offered unders (with the exception of Cotchin I believe). Not much for team comradery if one bloke is getting 650 whilst everyone else is sitting well below that and offering just as much on field.
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players like cotchin, riewoldt, deledio all took unders to stay. conca took unders to stay. ellis probably could have gotten more if he wanted. lots of players have taken unders so they can stay together and let the club have an opportunity to bring in quality players from other clubs to give us a chance for a flag in the next 2 or 3 years. martin is not the first nor is it a precedent, the change has been happening for a while.
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Well for how many years have we overpaid players to keep them? Bloody every year, every year we have overpaid crap players, absolute crap players, now we have a star, possibly a Brownlow medalist and we want to draw a line in the sand now.... Honestly. Perhaps if the line was drawn with players like Nathan Brown, Darren Gasper, Sanchez and the like there would be a president to follow. To start now with this player is ludicrous, pay him the extra $100,000 and be done with it.
Youve lost the plot WA :gotigers
Can you lose something you never had?
When the Delideo contract was dragging out, he was bagged furiously, and it was the end of the world if he left, yet he he ended up signing a long term contract for less than he could have got on the open market.
Now we have a player, who is extremely high maintenance, at the insistence of his knob head manager, asking for well over his market value, and it is the club who is in the wrong. Once again though, it is the end of the world if he leaves.
And what is the justification for caving in to these petulant, unreasonable demands and paying over the odds? the fact that we have done such stupidity in the past?
The next stage of this will be name calling of those that dare to point out the silliness of it.
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continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Yep agree but it should of been done years ago as I said, not now, why not pay him the money, then draw the line in the sand for future deals?
Yes very credible action, sure to create no issues down the track
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The article said Conca signed before his manager was in town, don't know what that means?
No it doens't.
It says "If only he had the strength he demonstrates on the MCG and took a stand on his own as Reece Conca did this week and put pen to paper without waiting for his manager to get to town". Which means why couldn't Dusty do what Reece Conca did (take less money to stay) and sign a contract while his manager (Carr) was interstate
players like cotchin, riewoldt, deledio all took unders to stay. conca took unders to stay. ellis probably could have gotten more if he wanted. lots of players have taken unders so they can stay together and let the club have an opportunity to bring in quality players from other clubs to give us a chance for a flag in the next 2 or 3 years. martin is not the first nor is it a precedent, the change has been happening for a while.
I've said this before Ramps I dont' believe Cotchin took unders at all. The others have but from what I heard Cotchin offer was right on market value. He is now our higest paid player (rightly) but I dont' believe he took unders
But outside of that I agree 100% with your comments
Especially this:
continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Which is one of the best posts I've read in a very very long time :clapping :clapping
And BTW I hope your not having a whack at all coterie members ;) ;D
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The article by Caro made me proud to be a Tiger, what a glowing endorsement of our club to any young players aspiring to play AFL.
Carrs technique is good old fashioned haggling - the lowest tier of negotiating - not unusual to see this type of negotiating being delayed over a few thousand bucks. Tells you something about the mentality of the individual. Ever been to a night market in Sth East Asia?
Frighteningly it still works in some cases but no longer at Tigerland :thumbsup
Tell you what, they'd see WAT coming from a mile away :lol
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WANTAWAY Tiger Dustin Martin is likely to return to Richmond with his tale between his legs, with only the embattled Brisbane Lions offering an escape route from Punt Rd.
Lions football manager Robb Kerr said yesterday: “We will certainly talk to him.”
But for a club with no coach, a player exodus looming and a warring board summoned to an AFL meditation hearing, Martin would seem highly unlikely to sign at the Gabba.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/gws-giants-decide-not-to-pursue-unsigned-richmond-star-dustin-martin/story-fnfll94y-1226723527290#mm-breached
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Martin bluff is straight out of the Dyer manual
Tony Hardy
Herald Sun
September 21, 2013
YOU'D think Dustin Martin had "I hate Richmond" tattooed in Latin on his neck. That he's burned down Punt Road using his jumper for kindling. He's behaving in a most un-Tigerish sort of way, you hear, the sort of ungrateful and selfish standoff that'd have Jack "Captain Blood" Dyer, turning in his grave, wanting to break Dusty's collarbone and knock some sense into him.
Yes, he seems a little mercenary at the moment, but if you look a little deeper, it would appear that Dusty's been studying the history of Tigerland. He's only doing what the greatest Tiger of them all did. And Jack Dyer so loved at Tigerland there's a statue of him out the front of Punt Road.
It's the art of the bluff and Jack was way ahead of both Dusty and Richmond.
In 1930, Jack was a prodigiously talented 17-year-old. He was playing in the local leagues, matches so tough that violence broke out between the players, between the spectators and between the players and the spectators who often crossed the white line and threw a few if they didn't like what they saw.
It was the Great Depression and Jack was keen to make some money playing in the VFL. But he was sick of being ignored by the administrators at Punt Road. So he threatened to sign up with Collingwood, the enemy who lived down the hill off Hoddle St. He took the club on before he had even played a game of senior football. He gambled his football career, potentially his only chance to earn money to feed his family, most of whom were unemployed.
The bluff worked. Richmond signed him up.
Jack played a couple of games for the Tiges, but was relegated to the seconds where the young champion couldn't get a kick. Why? The seconds players protected each other, and their wage, and ignored Jack. During the games, they wouldn't kick it to him. Jack was running about not touching the footy and so unable to impress seniors coach Checker Hughes. So what did he do?
Jack walked away. It was 1931. This wasn't the small Depression or the medium-sized Depression. It was The Great Depression. Jack abandoned a job where all he had to do was play football. Yet call it arrogance, lucky stupidity or genius, the bluff worked. Certain Richmond seconds players were sacked and Jack was coaxed back.
Ten years later, before the 1940 season, Jack's father Ben failed in a bid to be elected to the Richmond Committee. So our hero, by then the game's most fearsome, most loved, most hated, most famous footballer, quit Tigerland. On March 1, 1940, it was announced that Jack "Captain Blood" Dyer, was seeking a clearance and had received an offer to play for Victorian Football Association side Yarraville. When training for the new season began on March 19, six weeks before the game against Footscray, there was no sight of Jack.
The supporters were starting to believe he was gone forever when finally, on April 2, three weeks before the start of the football year, Jack appeared at training. He was back. The bluff was over.
"I didn't want to leave," Jack recalled years later. "But I was bitter about the way things had been handled (with his father, Ben). I knew I was playing well and I figured I'd give them a bit of hurt for a while."
If Dusty Martin is a student of Tigerland, then could he simply be repeating the actions of the club hero? After all the fuss, will he soon sign to remain at Richmond? And, through his manager, release a modern-day version of Jack's statement, a tweet that says: "Didn't want to go, dudes. But jacked about the way it was handled. I no I'm a gun. Figured I'd give'm max pain. All good. Dusty #jackdyerthesecond."
The Dusty Martin contract saga is just that, a drawn-out, teasing manipulation by both parties of each other's intentions. Following the cruel fall over the cliff face that was Richmond's loss in the Elimination Final, Richmond people are angry. They need to blame someone for the horror of that Sunday afternoon, made worse as it came at the end of the most glorious season for a decade and the opposition was Carlton. The Tiger Army are hurting but the rejection of Dusty Martin is not only misguided, it even stinks of hypocrisy. Who among us hasn't threatened to walk out on their employer unless they're given a pay rise? And who among us can claim that this old bluff actually works?
It only works for the greats. And Dusty could well be one of them.
Tony Hardy is a Melbourne writer and author of Finding Jack Dyer
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/martin-bluff-is-straight-out-of-the-dyer-manual/story-e6frfkp9-1226723936300
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continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Yep agree but it should of been done years ago as I said, not now, why not pay him the money, then draw the line in the sand for future deals?
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/procrastination.jpg)
Would truly screw us over in the long run if we paid him the extra. I'm glad you don't work for RFC
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The article said Conca signed before his manager was in town, don't know what that means?
No it doens't.
It says "If only he had the strength he demonstrates on the MCG and took a stand on his own as Reece Conca did this week and put pen to paper without waiting for his manager to get to town". Which means why couldn't Dusty do what Reece Conca did (take less money to stay) and sign a contract while his manager (Carr) was interstate
players like cotchin, riewoldt, deledio all took unders to stay. conca took unders to stay. ellis probably could have gotten more if he wanted. lots of players have taken unders so they can stay together and let the club have an opportunity to bring in quality players from other clubs to give us a chance for a flag in the next 2 or 3 years. martin is not the first nor is it a precedent, the change has been happening for a while.
I've said this before Ramps I dont' believe Cotchin took unders at all. The others have but from what I heard Cotchin offer was right on market value. He is now our higest paid player (rightly) but I dont' believe he took unders
But outside of that I agree 100% with your comments
Especially this:
continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Which is one of the best posts I've read in a very very long time :clapping :clapping
And BTW I hope your not having a whack at all coterie members ;) ;D
Alot of coterie members have been great supporters of the club but a small vocal minority of coterie people have used contacts in the press and various people to agigate for change in coaches and administration regularly and IMHO its never been to our benefit. As long as Brendon and the new president can maintain the status quo where the coteries have less of a say the better. So dont take my post personally, it was never intended to be a total criticism of all in the coteries, just some who have overrated opinions of themselves who believe that because they put in a decent amount of money they have a god given right to execute whatever change they feel is popular at the time. :cheers
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continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Yep agree but it should of been done years ago as I said, not now, why not pay him the money, then draw the line in the sand for future deals?
:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
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He should get a job with the Labor party, sign him up '65
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continuing the failed policies that existed for 30 years is simply wrong. the club wont go down the same road again. in terms of drawing a line in the sand they have decided to do it here and with good reason. Just think of this, if they gave martin the 650k per year his manager wanted what would happen in 2 years when he is out of contract again. Would you be happy for his manager to up the price to 800k a year? And would you be happy if it cost us a player like Brandon Ellis or Nick Vlastuin? Would you be happy for our club to have no room to move in bringing new players to the club. For example this year we are looking at bringing in players like Taylor Adams and Billy Longer, I can almost guarantee that giving Martin and Conca what they wanted would mean there would be absolutely no chance of getting either. Now there is some chance.
The days of the players and the coteries running the club are over and rightly so. The players and the coteries have rooted our club for 30 years. Enough is Enough.
Yep agree but it should of been done years ago as I said, not now, why not pay him the money, then draw the line in the sand for future deals?
:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
Each to their own mate, Richmond just need to get Martin signed, end of story!
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I think Life is easy for Dustin during the season ,its now that it becomes maybe a little tricky for him
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all the punters who jumped off Martin and used his baggage as justification for letting him go - You guys are the problem.
stuffing Morons.
Grow up!! >:(
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think you have a fascination with Caro ;D
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That's Queen Caro to you, punk.
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The article said Conca signed before his manager was in town, don't know what that means?
No it doens't.
It says "If only he had the strength he demonstrates on the MCG and took a stand on his own as Reece Conca did this week and put pen to paper without waiting for his manager to get to town". Which means why couldn't Dusty do what Reece Conca did (take less money to stay) and sign a contract while his manager (Carr) was interstate
I read it as Conca signed without waiting for his manager to get into town, funny the way we interpret things differently
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Saturday 21st Sept. 12:48pm (on SEN Radio)
'Greater Western Sydney' List Manager Stephen Silvagni said that Ralph Carr was in contact with GWS during this Season.
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From BF:
Was told last night that Ralph Carr promised Dustin's family he'd get them 600k.
A while ago he realized he probably wouldn't be able to get 600k. This led to Dustin's biker dad threatening Carr and telling him that if he didn't get him 600k that he'd have to personally pay the difference.
Well, apparently anyway.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-165#post-30252615
If only it was true :lol.
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THE NEXT STEP
by Ricky Nixon
September 20, 2013
Negotiation is a Challenge. One that requires nerve. One where you can’t roll the dice too many times and expect your number will keep coming up.
Ralph Carr has rolled the dice on Dustin Martin lately. Called Richmonds bluff and made some very poor decisions on behalf of his client.
This all smacks of an Agent that
1. Lacks experience
2. Doesn’t understand the Football Landscape
3. Isn’t connected enough to sell his client into another Club on a deal worth leaving Richmond for.
How could you take your client to Sydney for a meeting without a written offer on the table ? Desperation ? My number one rule as a Player Agent was get the deal on the table first before the visit !
I can’t believe how long this has dragged out for. Any Agent with half a brain would know that once you get to this stage of the season there wouldn’t be too many cookies left in the cookie jar (read Richmond Salary Cap)
I don’t intend to go over what mistakes have been made to date but rather what you could do as Dustin Martin’s Agent this afternoon.
1. Get Dustin in and tell him honestly the lay of the land. Is there other offers on the table ? If so from where.
2. Ask Dustin what he wants to do. Does he want to start negotiations with Richmond again or walk.
Richmond are already 2 weeks into their 8 week player break. As a Player you hardly want to be going overseas etc not knowing your future particularly if you have to move interstate the day after you get back.
What are Carr’s Options:
1. See if Richmond are prepared to come back to the table. I believe they are. Hence agree to their terms but make sure you get Dustin a win. For example the contracts in the AFL run from November 1st to October 30th the following year. Not January to December like most people would think. Hence i would ask Richmond for a sizable up front advance on Dustin’s Base. Base payments are made on a monthly basis ie if Dustin was on a base of $450,000 he would get $37,500 per month. Ask for $150,000 on the 1st of November and argue hard that Richmond will be cashed up because they will have membership money pouring in.
2. Getting his client to take a punt. For example take less in the Base but more upside in incentives. So take a $400,000 Base but instead of an ability to earn $500,000 through incentives put $150,000 of incentives with the option of an additional year on the contract at the amount Dustin wants not the Club. This might be based around winning the B&F
3. Split differences. If Richmond won’t come to the table on any of that then split the difference.
I don’t intend to give away all my best trade secrets here but just an insight into being creative as an Agent.
It might be time for Carr to put his money where his mouth is. I recall him running with a big spread in the Herald Sun saying a year or so ago on how he thought AFL Agents had no idea and that he was going to show them how a Music Man did it. It might be time to for the Music Man to put his money where his mouth is and find Dustin some deals outside the Club that bring his yearly earn up to the level Carr promised him and if he doesn’t then if i was Dustin i would ask him to underwrite it.
Ok what can Carr do if Richmond play really hard ball and for example had a deal of $520,000 on the table 2 weeks ago and now are saying its $475,000 take it or leave it.
Carr can get a deal on the table from Melbourne for $600K or take a deal of $650K from Brisbane. All stupid deals because he is no better off at Melbourne and to move to Brisbane will cost him that much by the time he resettles etc. Plus i hardly think Dustin is a Brisbane Boy. They don’t even have a coach !
Clocks ticking for Carr he needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Unfortunately for Carr he doesn’t have a stable of stars to do his own trades like i use to ie: Trade one of my own players in Brisbane for one at Richmond. Everyones a winner that way but that ain’t an option here.
My advice hasn’t changed. Get the deal done at Richmond. Otherwise your boy is going to Club he probably doesn’t want to go to via the draft system or trade. He will be no better off and Richmond will benefit substantially with probably a first round draft pick and and experienced player or room in their salary cap to take one in the pre-season draft.
The Music is beating Mr. Carr…..time to show if you can dance or not !!!
http://rickynixon.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-next-step-by-ricky-nixon/
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-wants-to-stay-a-tiger-20130920-2u42p.html
:sleep
The disgraceful handling of troubled young footballer Dustin Martin reached a new low point on Thursday when the bewildered-looking 22-year-old was led around a football club he didn't really want to join.
:rollin
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
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:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
Each to their own mate, Richmond just need to get Martin signed, end of story!
That's where we are diametrically opposite on this.
I think the club has been first class in it's handling of this whole episode. They have been tolerant and open with Martin all the way through and have refused to compromise their position or standards and it is the most heartening thing I have seen them do as a club in a fair while. We have all bemoaned how we have been a basket case of failure for 30 years through inept management both on and off field and now that we have a topline management team and a set of standards that we refuse to compromise you seriously want to set it aside the very first time it is tested? I don't want to lose Martin but I don't want us to forsake all the gains we have made as a club collectively for the sake of satisfying my own emotional fear. We will win a flag with or without Martin and by making this stand in this most public manner we are gaining huge tracts in football community respect, something that will pay off in spades in coming years. Players (and their managers), of our club and others will be watching and seeing how we are a club that can be trusted in it's word, and a safe and fair place for them to play. Just how they now perceive Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn. They might not pay top dollar but they are extremely well run and have been successful for a long time now, and have no problem attracting and keeping quality players. We can't reach those lofty heights by compromising our standards the minute the pressure is on and caving in to pay Martin what no other club in the competition was prepared to pay him would be doing just that.
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
insert pot,kettle,black.jpeg. :lol
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
Most probably Ralph Carr tweeting again on his account.
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:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
Each to their own mate, Richmond just need to get Martin signed, end of story!
That's where we are diametrically opposite on this.
I think the club has been first class in it's handling of this whole episode. They have been tolerant and open with Martin all the way through and have refused to compromise their position or standards and it is the most heartening thing I have seen them do as a club in a fair while. We have all bemoaned how we have been a basket case of failure for 30 years through inept management both on and off field and now that we have a topline management team and a set of standards that we refuse to compromise you seriously want to set it aside the very first time it is tested? I don't want to lose Martin but I don't want us to forsake all the gains we have made as a club collectively for the sake of satisfying my own emotional fear. We will win a flag with or without Martin and by making this stand in this most public manner we are gaining huge tracts in football community respect, something that will pay off in spades in coming years. Players (and their managers), of our club and others will be watching and seeing how we are a club that can be trusted in it's word, and a safe and fair place for them to play. Just how they now perceive Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn. They might not pay top dollar but they are extremely well run and have been successful for a long time now, and have no problem attracting and keeping quality players. We can't reach those lofty heights by compromising our standards the minute the pressure is on and caving in to pay Martin what no other club in the competition was prepared to pay him would be doing just that.
Top post, RFC must stick to the plan. No-one is bigger than the club moving forward to create a new history.
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
Most probably Ralph Carr tweeting again on his account.
Yeah cant see dusty using the term larry
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
Most probably Ralph Carr tweeting again on his account.
Would say its been hacked again or being used by someone else. Accounts been dormant since Monday and now suddenly 2 stupid tweets
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:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
Each to their own mate, Richmond just need to get Martin signed, end of story!
That's where we are diametrically opposite on this.
I think the club has been first class in it's handling of this whole episode. They have been tolerant and open with Martin all the way through and have refused to compromise their position or standards and it is the most heartening thing I have seen them do as a club in a fair while. We have all bemoaned how we have been a basket case of failure for 30 years through inept management both on and off field and now that we have a topline management team and a set of standards that we refuse to compromise you seriously want to set it aside the very first time it is tested? I don't want to lose Martin but I don't want us to forsake all the gains we have made as a club collectively for the sake of satisfying my own emotional fear. We will win a flag with or without Martin and by making this stand in this most public manner we are gaining huge tracts in football community respect, something that will pay off in spades in coming years. Players (and their managers), of our club and others will be watching and seeing how we are a club that can be trusted in it's word, and a safe and fair place for them to play. Just how they now perceive Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn. They might not pay top dollar but they are extremely well run and have been successful for a long time now, and have no problem attracting and keeping quality players. We can't reach those lofty heights by compromising our standards the minute the pressure is on and caving in to pay Martin what no other club in the competition was prepared to pay him would be doing just that.
:clapping :clapping top post Smokey spot on
And not a bad article by Ricky Nixon either
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
Most probably Ralph Carr tweeting again on his account.
Would say its been hacked again or being used by someone else. Accounts been dormant since Monday and now suddenly 2 stupid tweets
Not a good start if its true.
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Needs to change password from dusty4
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The Carr shag is out of control.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100915114502/simpsons/images/thumb/b/b3/Snitchy.jpg/180px-Snitchy.jpg
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:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
Each to their own mate, Richmond just need to get Martin signed, end of story!
That's where we are diametrically opposite on this.
I think the club has been first class in it's handling of this whole episode. They have been tolerant and open with Martin all the way through and have refused to compromise their position or standards and it is the most heartening thing I have seen them do as a club in a fair while. We have all bemoaned how we have been a basket case of failure for 30 years through inept management both on and off field and now that we have a topline management team and a set of standards that we refuse to compromise you seriously want to set it aside the very first time it is tested? I don't want to lose Martin but I don't want us to forsake all the gains we have made as a club collectively for the sake of satisfying my own emotional fear. We will win a flag with or without Martin and by making this stand in this most public manner we are gaining huge tracts in football community respect, something that will pay off in spades in coming years. Players (and their managers), of our club and others will be watching and seeing how we are a club that can be trusted in it's word, and a safe and fair place for them to play. Just how they now perceive Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn. They might not pay top dollar but they are extremely well run and have been successful for a long time now, and have no problem attracting and keeping quality players. We can't reach those lofty heights by compromising our standards the minute the pressure is on and caving in to pay Martin what no other club in the competition was prepared to pay him would be doing just that.
Bad time to draw the line is all I am saying.
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no point drawing a line in the sand with a no hoper. that strategy would never work. for it to work they needed to do it to a big big name. perfect opportunity and perfectly executed by dan richardson.
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1000 times worse if we don't is all I'm saying. :thumbsup
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Bad time to draw the line is all I am saying.
So when is the right time exactly?
2014 when Maric or Vickery are i coming out of contract?
perhaps it should be 2015 when Cotchin, Rance, Ellis and others are coming out of contract?
Or is the right time when it's a player who is expendable?
You can argue timing as much as you like and people will end up saying that no time is the right time but at the med of the day it needed to be done. It should have happened years ago.
Now is the right time because failure to draw the line in the sand means we would end up losing alot more than a player or 2. We'd end up losing or at least damaging everything that's been built up over the lat 3 years
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Just on Ch7 Saturday nights pre-game and the segment "give me something"
Darcy showed a photo of Dusty supposedly taken today of him trying on his jacket for the brownlow medal dinner and the jacket is lined with his number 4 RFC guernsey :clapping :clapping
They will be talking about Dusty's contact situation later
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Just on Ch7 Saturday nights pre-game and the segment "give me something"
Darcy showed a photo of Dusty supposedly taken today of him trying on his jacket for the brownlow medal dinner and the jacket is lined with his number 4 RFC guernsey :clapping :clapping
They will be talking about Dusty's contact situation later
Transcript please, I have happy feat on at my place ::)
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Transcript please, I have happy feat on at my place ::)
:huh
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Transcript please, I have happy feat on at my place ::)
:huh
Sorry, I thought they had discussed dm
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Transcript please, I have happy feat on at my place ::)
:huh
Sorry, I thought they had discussed dm
No showed the photo and said will be talking about Dusty
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On ch7 now
Talking about Dusty
Richo says Dusty has been poorly advised, that's the one thing he has taken out of his week. Said he has know idea what's going on with Dusty but reckons he will be staying. Then listed all the reasons why he should stay
Darcy questioned Richo about whether playing group was happy with Dusty and whether they would welcome him back
Richo said absolutely players would welcome Dusty back. Richo then said Dusty caught up with Dimma today
They then replayed part of that the #Discovered segment where Dusty said he owes Tigers and wants to be a Tiger for life and remembered as a team player. Over the top of Dusty talking they played some of this weeks talkback radio calls of fans bag the you know whatskis out of him
To be honest a nothing 4 minutes ;D
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1000 times worse if we don't is all I'm saying. :thumbsup
;)
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they're good at that
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On ch7 now
Talking about Dusty
Richo says Dusty has been poorly advised, that's the one thing he has taken out of his week. Said he has know idea what's going on with Dusty but reckons he will be staying. Then listed all the reasons why he should stay
Darcy questioned Richo about whether playing group was happy with Dusty and whether they would welcome him back
Richo said absolutely players would welcome Dusty back. Richo then said Dusty caught up with Dimma today
They then replayed part of that the #Discovered segment where Dusty said he owes Tigers and wants to be a Tiger for life and remembered as a team player. Over the top of Dusty talking they played some of this weeks talkback radio calls of fans bag the you know whatskis out of him
To be honest a nothing 4 minutes ;D
Anything Farcy comments on and questions is worth nothing and time I will never get back in my life.
My farts have more credence.
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Anything Farcy comments on and questions is worth nothing and time I will never get back in my life.
My farts have more credence.
In fairness to Darcy; this week he has given Carr some of the best whacks and has made alot of sense about how poorly Dusty has been advised.
He also showed the photo of the brownlow jacket which I certainly think will give tiger fans alot of hope as he suggested and the others agreed. Why would Dusty plan on wearing that jacket if he wasnt intending on staying with Richmond
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Anything Farcy comments on and questions is worth nothing and time I will never get back in my life.
My farts have more credence.
In fairness to Darcy; this week he has given Carr some of the best whacks and has made alot of sense about how poorly Dusty has been advised.
He also showed the photo of the brownlow jacket which I certainly think will give tiger fans alot of hope as he suggested and the others agreed. Why would Dusty plan on wearing that jacket if he wasnt intending on staying with Richmond
Every man and his dog have given Carr a whack this week and rightly so.
Farcy has at least shown logic in this situation rather than skirting on the outside of issues and then raising points that have no relevance to anything.
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I Like Beer :cheers
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Here's the photo (albeit blurry) ...
(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/2a53cafc22a411e3af571231390ef217_7.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/ehKrElsZAD/#
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Here's the photo (albeit blurry) ...
(http://distilleryimage7.ak.instagram.com/2a53cafc22a411e3af571231390ef217_7.jpg)
http://instagram.com/p/ehKrElsZAD/#
Maybe I should be on Instagram :rollin
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No time for all this media poop, Facebook I got hooked into and I don't mind my little tiger group, actually they are pi55 funny, out living today! Love dustbin want him back but this media crop drives me mad, twitter was well named that's for sure!
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Darcy questioned Richo about whether playing group was happy with Dusty and whether they would welcome him back ....
He never left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited: avoiding swear filter
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Darcy questioned Richo about whether playing group was happy with Dusty and whether they would welcome him back ....
He never left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited: avoiding swear filter
heard that
gee he is a grade tool that darcy
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Just going to the break BT said coming after the break .. Blah, blah and Stevo with all the news and another shot of dusty
Looks like we are going to get another "Dusty Update"
:rollin :rollin
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Let's not forget BT raising his voice a few octaves to try and give seriousness to nothing whatsoever. :whistle
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Dusty has just tweeted this in the last 15 mins (if his account hasn't been hacked again?).
@DustinMartin4 - "Caroline Wilson what a larry"
larry is slang for moron or loner.
Most probably Ralph Carr tweeting again on his account.
Would say its been hacked again or being used by someone else. Accounts been dormant since Monday and now suddenly 2 stupid tweets
Not a good start if its true.
Those latest tweets have been deleted so his account must have been hacked again.
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:lol
WAT, seriously, that is probably the worst attempt at justification of a poor policy that I have ever read.
Each to their own mate, Richmond just need to get Martin signed, end of story!
That's where we are diametrically opposite on this.
I think the club has been first class in it's handling of this whole episode. They have been tolerant and open with Martin all the way through and have refused to compromise their position or standards and it is the most heartening thing I have seen them do as a club in a fair while. We have all bemoaned how we have been a basket case of failure for 30 years through inept management both on and off field and now that we have a topline management team and a set of standards that we refuse to compromise you seriously want to set it aside the very first time it is tested? I don't want to lose Martin but I don't want us to forsake all the gains we have made as a club collectively for the sake of satisfying my own emotional fear. We will win a flag with or without Martin and by making this stand in this most public manner we are gaining huge tracts in football community respect, something that will pay off in spades in coming years. Players (and their managers), of our club and others will be watching and seeing how we are a club that can be trusted in it's word, and a safe and fair place for them to play. Just how they now perceive Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn. They might not pay top dollar but they are extremely well run and have been successful for a long time now, and have no problem attracting and keeping quality players. We can't reach those lofty heights by compromising our standards the minute the pressure is on and caving in to pay Martin what no other club in the competition was prepared to pay him would be doing just that.
gotta agree also. good post.
my only concern in all this has been we walk away with nothing for martin if he does go.
unlike others i have a sneaky suspicion that gws will get him in the psd. they look like they are being good guys now but have a deal done already. a deal that allows em to get dusty for nothing.
but i digress we do need to stand our ground and while standing our ground we need to
1/ re - sign martin if possible in a way where both parties can walk away with heads held high.
failing that make sure we get decent compensation for him enabling us to continue to grow our list and club. in other words turn a bad situation into a win
the worst thing we can do is have the situation deteriorate into no win situation where dusty says stuff the lot of ya i will walk into the psd.
as i said i have a sneaky suspicion this is what will happen with the blessing of gws. this could have been in the making for two yrs. i hope im just being paranoid.
finally when you think about it i reckon the controls on his life outside of footy have been a big part of the problem. for him to go to gws close to home and out of the fishbowl so to speak would greatly appeal to dusty with what has transpired so far. ffs he cant fart without the media having a go at him or the club and the afl telling him where he can go, who he can see what he can do i reckon id be prety peeed off as well.
as long as he stays on the right side of the law and keeps his nose out of trouble its up to dusty to make decisions about who he sees dan connors, who his manager is weather he has bikie friemds weather he goes to parties these are nobody elese business and are decisions martin has to make for himself.i dont have a problem with any of them as long as he continues to play good foty continues to work hard and he stays on the right side of the law.
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Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale says the club will not give up on Dustin Martin
Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
September 21, 2013 10:30PM
RICHMOND has always gone the extra mile for Dustin Martin.
He’s had cooking classes, free lodging, advice on how to spend his money and work experience at Lindsay Fox’s trucking company.
“We have heavily invested in Dustin Martin as a person and a player — probably more so than anyone else beyond his family,” Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale said.
“He is a young man that has grown up significantly since he arrived at the club. As we have said from day one — he is a required player and a very important player.
“He has had his best season ever. I anticipate he will finish high up in the best and fairest.
“Whilst we are bitterly disappointed with the way the contract negotiations have unfolded, nothing has transpired in the past seven days that will change our commitment to him as a person or player.”
During his early days as a Tiger, Martin lived with president Gary March, his wife Bev and the kids in Middle Park.
“I appreciate them having me in,’’ Martin said at the time.
“I’m very comfortable there. Marchy had the spare room and it has helped me a lot. It’s hard to explain. I just felt more comfortable, a bit more relaxed living with a family instead of out on my own.”
March’s previous billet was a bloke called Ben Cousins.
It was all part of Richmond’s constant efforts to steer Martin through life as an AFL star.
But under the guidance of his manager, Ralph Carr, Martin surprisingly decided to publicly test his worth in the marketplace.
On Thursday, he jetted out of Melbourne with Carr to meet with officials from Greater Western Sydney.
It followed a breakdown in contract negotiations between Richmond and Carr.
Martin wants $600,000 a season and the Tigers won’t budge from their offer of $500,000.
The Giants pulled out of the race on Friday, leaving the Brisbane Lions as the only possible suitor.
It’s a strategy that has backfired. Martin is likely to stay at Tigerland, possibly on less money than he was offered months ago.
Martin’s former player agent, Ricky Nixon, has urged the bullocking midfielder to stay. He says leaving Richmond would be a mistake.
“I would say to him: ‘Richmond is the best place for you’,” Nixon said.
“Sometimes agents get caught up in trying to prove to the player how good they are. You have to make a decision for your client, not for yourself.”
At different times, Martin has been compared to Darren Millane, Leigh Matthews, Mark Riccuito and even Sam Kekovich.
He’s a powerhouse midfielder, but still way off fulfilling his potential. Off-field, too, he’s a work in progress.
Richmond’s player welfare program looks after all of its young players, but the club has gone above and beyond for Martin.
Martin’s mentors at Richmond have included former skipper Chris Newman and assistant coach Wayne Campbell. His best mates at the club include Newman, Shane Edwards and Luke McGuane. For a while last summer, he lived with captain Trent Cotchin and his fiancee Brooke.
This year, development coach Mark “Choco” Williams wrapped his arms around the No.4, resulting in Martin’s most consistent season.
Martin often has dinner at Williams’ Brighton home.
The Port Adelaide premiership coach has helped Martin with presentations he has given to indigenous youths at Punt Rd’s Korin Gamadji Institute. Martin also spoke this year at prestigious Caulfield Grammar.
“He has worked very closely with Mark and the two have developed a great relationship,” Gale said. “The club will continue to support Dustin in any way possible as we do with all our players.”
Another footy figure said Martin was a good kid, receiving bad advice from his management.
“All kids who come from interstate or the country and are not living at home need attention,” the figure said.
“But the fact he’s such a high-profile young lad with tattoos on his neck means he just draws a lot of attention.
“People know who he is. He burst on to the scene.”
Martin is adamant he has not yet quit the club. He’s just keeping his options open.
“The claims that I have walked out on the Richmond Football Club are totally incorrect,” Martin tweeted on Monday.
“I can tell you that at this time, no decision has been made. As you can understand, this is a very important decision for myself and my family and one that I won’t make lightly.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-chief-executive-brendon-gale-says-the-club-will-not-give-up-on-dustin-martin/story-fndv8t7m-1226724421481?from=trendinglinks
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Lions football manager Dean Warren said the Lions would make contact with Dustin Martin’s manager in the coming days but would be “proceeding with caution" in any talks with the wayward Richmond star.
Martin parted ways with the Tigers after contract talks turned sour and has been linked to GWS and North Melbourne but both the Giants and Kangaroos have indicated they are not interested in the troubled forward/midfielder who has had significant off-field issues.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-is-set-to-announce-its-new-coach-as-early-as-this-week/story-fndv8d6r-1226724391968
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Mention of neck tats :clapping
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Like he's the only player with tatts on his neck
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Parted ways has he????
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
It couldn't have less similarities if it tried.
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Alistair Lynch in today's Sunday Mail talking about Leppa possibly going to Bris and says Leppa perfectly placed to determine whether Dusty is the type of player & person that Bris should look at. Lynch feels strongly that Dusty is best served staying at Richmond, both for on & off-field reasons.
(sorry mods - cant provide necessary links as I'm typing on the iPhone & not sure how to do it)
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
It couldn't have less similarities if it tried.
Don't agree. A walk out is a walk out!
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
It couldn't have less similarities if it tried.
Don't agree. A walk out is a walk out!
That's VERY simplistic view. That's about the only thing that is similar......
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Here you go Julz:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-champion-alastair-lynch-says-lions-need-to-find-the-best-coach-for-the-long-haul/story-fndv8d6r-1226724390114 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-champion-alastair-lynch-says-lions-need-to-find-the-best-coach-for-the-long-haul/story-fndv8d6r-1226724390114)
OMG!! I've just read the article and here's some news to flatten everyone's Sunday:
I can even reveal a little known football fact surrounding new Melbourne coach Roos. He presented to a selection panel at Richmond for an assistant coaching role in 2000 but so impressive was he they offered him the senior role that eventually went to Danny Frawley.
Roosy knocked it back and instead began as an understudy to Rodney Eade at Sydney.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
lmfao
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
It couldn't have less similarities if it tried.
Don't agree. A walk out is a walk out!
So please tell me exactly when did he "walk out"
Because I must have missed it!
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When I was kid,when Graeme Richmond spoke I would hang on every word he said,getting a bit like that with Benny these days
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
It couldn't have less similarities if it tried.
Don't agree. A walk out is a walk out!
You are really Ralph Carr - right?
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Say what you want but this reeks of the Ottens saga$
It couldn't have less similarities if it tried.
Don't agree. A walk out is a walk out!
You are really Ralph Carr - right?
No, not a slug with a rug, more of a reactionary mug that tugs.
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Mick on before the game said it right when he said Martin is a victim of poor advice. Nixon correct as well on this point.
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Unrfortunately to this point in time dusty doesn't see it like that
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
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Here you go Julz:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-champion-alastair-lynch-says-lions-need-to-find-the-best-coach-for-the-long-haul/story-fndv8d6r-1226724390114 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-champion-alastair-lynch-says-lions-need-to-find-the-best-coach-for-the-long-haul/story-fndv8d6r-1226724390114)
OMG!! I've just read the article and here's some news to flatten everyone's Sunday:
I can even reveal a little known football fact surrounding new Melbourne coach Roos. He presented to a selection panel at Richmond for an assistant coaching role in 2000 but so impressive was he they offered him the senior role that eventually went to Danny Frawley.
Roosy knocked it back and instead began as an understudy to Rodney Eade at Sydney.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
this cant be true. surely we cant have had that much bad luck ;D
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
Sounds like Barrett is talking crap again. You can believe the Club will offer less than the $500k offer that was pulled after Carr rejected it but not less than what Dusty is getting now.
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agree
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
Lol liar
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
Wouldn't pay much attention to the figures that Binboy carries on about, he's got them wrong a number of times ;D
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Don't believe that
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RFC would offer the same deal as they did before they withdrew it. There attitude would be, "Right, now that the rubbish is over and done here's our offer agin which you now will agree is fair."
If we are keeping Martin I doubt we will be looking to punish him. Certainly not to the tune of $30K less than what he is on now.
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
Staggered that Barrett would report that. It seems so ridiculous, even if you had a decent source on it you would discard. What a headline grabbing little monkey he is. Pathetic journo.
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
Staggered that Barrett would report that. It seems so ridiculous, even if you had a decent source on it you would discard. What a headline grabbing little monkey he is. Pathetic journo.
Dead right on all counts Dougey. :thumbsup
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RFC would offer the same deal as they did before they withdrew it. There attitude would be, "Right, now that the rubbish is over and done here's our offer agin which you now will agree is fair."
If we are keeping Martin I doubt we will be looking to punish him. Certainly not to the tune of $30K less than what he is on now.
I agree O, although you would love the club to say to Dusty "we'll re-table the same offer on the condition you ditch Carr". :pray
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show just said Dustin Martin will need to take a substancial pay cut if he is to stay at Richmond. The Club is now offering him $420k p.a. which is $80k less than the previous offer that Dusty and his manager rejected and a "whopping" $180k less than what Dusty and his manager were seeking.
Staggered that Barrett would report that. It seems so ridiculous, even if you had a decent source on it you would discard. What a headline grabbing little monkey he is. Pathetic journo.
Dead right on all counts Dougey. :thumbsup
x2
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Dustin Martin will be welcome back at Richmond
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
September 22, 2013 7:01PM
RICHMOND would welcome Dustin Martin back into Punt Rd after a positive meeting with coach Damien Hardwick over a beer on Friday.
The move to sound out Greater Western Sydney saw his manager Ralph Carr roundly criticised and another prospective home removed from the table.
Only Brisbane remains as a potential suitor, and even the Lions are an extreme long shot given they do not have a coach and would be unlikely to pay him $600,000 a year.
Martin and Hardwick met in St Kilda on Friday afternoon, where the Tigers coach reinforced to Martin just how valuable a player he is to Richmond.
They will work towards trying to seal a deal for Martin this week.
Forward Aaron Edwards has emerged as an unlikely mentor and quasi-minder for Martin, who at one stage lived with captain Trent Cotchin.
Edwards is no stranger to controversies, but has been helping close friend Martin to get through this difficult period and working on his off-field habits and behaviours.
But while Hardwick and Martin have an extremely strong relationship, the fourth-year Tiger must still decide to re-engage in contract negotiations.
It has been confirmed that the Tigers have taken the two-year million dollar contract off the table given the breakdown in negotiation after four months.
But there are still varying reports about whether the Tigers will reduce that offer if and when Martin decides to come back to the negotiating table.
Tigers sources said the Reece Conca and Martin contracts were not linked in any way, so Conca’s signing on a three-year deal should not affect Martin’s price.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-will-be-welcome-back-at-richmond/story-fndv8t7m-1226724710997
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"Forward Aaron Edwards has emerged as an unlikely mentor and quasi-minder for Martin, who at one stage lived with captain Trent Cotchin.
Edwards is no stranger to controversies, but has been helping close friend Martin to get through this difficult period and working on his off-field habits and behaviours."
Hmmmm, "lock up" as a mentor?
Cue Jazz Hands
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Shrewd way to dangle a carrot to Edwards for another contract, nice work tigers :clapping
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I think Aaron would sign a contract regardless of the amount of carrots dangled in front of him.
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MR and Tiger71 on BF claiming they've heard it'll be a 3-year deal at $500k p.a.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-175#post-30267726
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So many rumours. Never correct. :help
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So many sources. What a leaky ship :banghead
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So many rumours. Never correct. :help
An off-season tradition ;D.
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So many sources. What a leaky ship :banghead
I don't think imaginary sources are much of a problem. :lol
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So many sources. What a leaky ship :banghead
I don't think imaginary sources are much of a problem. :lol
Nope :lol
It's a bit of a laugh perusing the different forums and reading everyone's supposed insider info and so often it's all contradictory or simply just dribble written enigmatically enough to make it sound like the author has a clue. ;D
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MR and Tiger71 on BF claiming they've heard it'll be a 3-year deal at $500k p.a.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-175#post-30267726
T71 has been spot on so far. :shh
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MR and Tiger71 on BF claiming they've heard it'll be a 3-year deal at $500k p.a.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-175#post-30267726
lol this Tiger 71 makes some outrageous claims when if fact his been wrong everytime ;D
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Comment From Guest
Any end in sight to the Dustin Martin saga?
Mark Robinson
yes
Comment From Gerard Whateley
Where does Martin play next season Robbo?
Mark Robinson
rich
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-pavlich-deserves-to-win-a-premiership-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv8h5w-1226724730378?from=trendinglinks
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Guest is a top bloke.
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MR and Tiger71 on BF claiming they've heard it'll be a 3-year deal at $500k p.a.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-175#post-30267726
lol this Tiger 71 makes some outrageous claims when if fact his been wrong everytime ;D
Ok fess up - which one of you clowns has developed the Tiger71 gimmick on big footy?
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Robert Walls on SEN this morning said he believed other clubs have chosen not to entertain having Dusty at their club not because they don't want him but out of respect for the RFC and firmly believe Dusty MUST stay at the tigers...
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/goto/post?id=30279990#post-30279990
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Ok fess up - which one of you clowns has developed the Tiger71 gimmick on big footy?
probably you Ramps ;D
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Ok fess up - which one of you clowns has developed the Tiger71 gimmick on big footy?
probably you Ramps ;D
Its not me when I was doing that poo on other sites I was doing it properly - like naming an unknown aboriginal superstar who was coming to Punt Road but it had to be a secret. Threads like that went for pages and pages and every night I be drinking some beers reading the responses and trying not to choke from laughter. They were good days but Im getting older now. Im trying to be a serious individual. I cant be doing things like that ;D
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Cotchin Wants Martin
MMM
Monday, September 23, 2013
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin admits it was disappointing to watch Dustin Martin and his manager, Ralph Carr, walk around Greater Western Sydney's facilities last week.
Triple M's Eddie McGuire asked Cotchin if he watched the vision and asked 'what the hell is going on here?'.
"No doubt (I did). You see one of your team-mates and someone I get along really well with at the club walking through an opposition team's headquarters is something that's hard to swallow," Cotchin told Triple M.
"The thing for us is that we know Dusty is a required player if we are going to play in premierships and we're just hoping that he comes to his senses and makes a really good decision on his and the club's behalf."
Cotchin said he has been speaking to Martin and encouraging him to stay, which has been difficult given how close they are.
http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2013/9/trent-cotchin-on-tripel-m-regarding-dustin-martin-future/
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Ok fess up - which one of you clowns has developed the Tiger71 gimmick on big footy?
probably you Ramps ;D
Its not me when I was doing that poo on other sites I was doing it properly - like naming an unknown aboriginal superstar who was coming to Punt Road but it had to be a secret. Threads like that went for pages and pages and every night I be drinking some beers reading the responses and trying not to choke from laughter. They were good days but Im getting older now. Im trying to be a serious individual. I cant be doing things like that ;D
just like l cant be doing this. MAD MONDAY calls :gotigers
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Comment From Guest
Any end in sight to the Dustin Martin saga?
Mark Robinson
yes
Comment From Gerard Whateley
Where does Martin play next season Robbo?
Mark Robinson
rich
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-pavlich-deserves-to-win-a-premiership-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv8h5w-1226724730378?from=trendinglinks
I was Gerard Whateley ;D
He replied to my question almost immediately.
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Comment From Guest
Any end in sight to the Dustin Martin saga?
Mark Robinson
yes
Comment From Gerard Whateley
Where does Martin play next season Robbo?
Mark Robinson
rich
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-pavlich-deserves-to-win-a-premiership-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv8h5w-1226724730378?from=trendinglinks
I was Gerard Whateley ;D
He replied to my question almost immediately.
:bow :rollin :bow
;D
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The thing for us is that we know Dusty is a required player if we are going to play in premierships
Yo Chimp, the nuffies think Billy Longer and a draft pick equal premierships bro
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Comment From Guest
Any end in sight to the Dustin Martin saga?
Mark Robinson
yes
Comment From Gerard Whateley
Where does Martin play next season Robbo?
Mark Robinson
rich
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/matthew-pavlich-deserves-to-win-a-premiership-writes-mark-robinson/story-fndv8h5w-1226724730378?from=trendinglinks
I was Gerard Whateley ;D
He replied to my question almost immediately.
:lol
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Tiger71's latest post on BF:
I'll rehash what I know which mind you has already been mentioned now by media sources. The main thing in life I live for is to make sure posters like kozi01 have full and utter faith in my posts :p.
I had mentioned in a conversation that Hardwick was meeting Martin - I believe he met him friday for a beer. Anyone that is in my conversation group feel free to confirm that I posted that on Monday last week :). I had heard Leppa would be with him but it seemed only Hardwick saw him.
I confirmed the players were texting martin to stay. Again reported in the media that Cotch and co did.
I mentioned that the offer was not pulled as such. We just said, this is the deal and you have till Friday to let us know if your staying to resume negotiations. posted that as well Monday I believe and that was confirmed that there was a deadline in the media first via lade then via the "jurnos".
I mentioned on Friday, was the reason I had to wait till 3pm that Martin came back and told us he wants to stay. That was confirmed like 20 mins later from SEN then now the press is all about how he is staying.
My source was very clear. We have a agreement in place for Dusty to stay. What I have heard the original offer of 2 years at 500k most likely will evolve to 3 years at 500k. I am not the only that have heard that. We are in no rush as the agreement was a informal acceptance it is still a acceptance. The formals only need to be signed off on- Again I stated all this Thursday Friday last week.
Just be happy and watch this play out. Now I apoligise I am vague on some points, I need to protect my source. I will say, re read my post very late in the night and then replay the events that happened the week after. That should put your mind at ease.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-185#post-30285942
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If its that simple why hasn't the contract been signed?
Same offer with the addition of a year - nothing liquid paper can't fix.
If true, doesn't seem that hard.
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Just be happy and watch this play out. Now I apoligise I am vague on some points, I need to protect my source. I will say, re read my post very late in the night and then replay the events that happened the week after. That should put your mind at ease.[/i]
I won't be happy until its official that he's signed on for a 10 year contract.....
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Dusty has arrived at the Brownlow with Aaron Edwards as his "date" ;D
Pic on twitter ;D
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Dusty has arrived at the Brownlow with Aaron Edwards as his "date" ;D
Pic on twitter ;D
l'm surprised he did not have Dan Conners on his arm ;D New headlines tomorrow.
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Dusty has arrived at the Brownlow with Aaron Edwards as his "date" ;D
Pic on twitter ;D
Has anybody seen or heard of Dusty having a girlfriend?
:huh
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connors likes wearing a dress
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connors likes wearing a dress
:-*
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Dusty has arrived at the Brownlow with Aaron Edwards as his "date" ;D
Pic on twitter ;D
Has anybody seen or heard of Dusty having a girlfriend?
:huh
Yeah his had chics
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj3VphK9AMk
:lol
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Dusty has arrived at the Brownlow with Aaron Edwards as his "date" ;D
Pic on twitter ;D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU1S7q1CIAAM2Ly.jpg)
http://t.co/bJTFMFvPVT
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Where is Mr Tigra?
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still dealing with the carlton loss
http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/picture_this/public/2011/12/05/199920-shia-muslims-flagellate-themselves-walk-on-fire-prior-to-ashura.jpg
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Leon Cameron was interviewed on 360. Spoke about Dustin, said that basically it was pretty clear his heart was at the Tigers, amongst other things. Not that we didn't already know!
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Dusty has arrived at the Brownlow with Aaron Edwards as his "date" ;D
Pic on twitter ;D
Has anybody seen or heard of Dusty having a girlfriend?
:huh
Yea like he's had more birds than he s kicked goals this year, don't worry dm goes alright in that'd dept :shh
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:lol (to Al's post) ;D
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Great work by the Brownlow seating arrangements. Dusty and Edwards are right behind one G Ablett.
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:lol :lol Edwards feeding Martin some choccies
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:lol :lol Edwards feeding Martin some choccies
Or were they grapes?
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More likely. Wasn't sure so took a punt ;D
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Looked like bruised plums to me
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Wondering, does Dusty's relatively good performance tonight mean we'll have to pay more $$??
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Looked like bruised plums to me
Jeeeeeepers :o
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Might get an offer for him now
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PERHAPS HE IS WORTH $600K AFTER ALL
Richmond’s Dustin Martin seemed to be having a good time on the Tiger table and the umps seemed to think he was good value as well. Martin matched Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin vote-for-vote much of the way, eventually losing out 16 votes to 19.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brownlow-special-if-you-dont-mind-umpire/story-fnfpguj3-1226725528506
I wonder if Ralph Carr will attempt to play funny business again after last night with Dusty finishing 13th in the Brownlow? ::)
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Clearly we need to re-sign Martin, massive part of our tilt at the cup, get it done!!!!!!
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Would have been better for the contract discussions and his ego to finish under 10 votes behind Lids imo
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PERHAPS HE IS WORTH $600K AFTER ALL
Richmond’s Dustin Martin seemed to be having a good time on the Tiger table and the umps seemed to think he was good value as well. Martin matched Richmond skipper Trent Cotchin vote-for-vote much of the way, eventually losing out 16 votes to 19.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brownlow-special-if-you-dont-mind-umpire/story-fnfpguj3-1226725528506
I wonder if Ralph Carr will attempt to play funny business again after last night with Dusty finishing 13th in the Brownlow? ::)
If they try this on at this stage I wouldnt be unhappy at all if the club severed ties completely with the player and sent him on his way. No regrets from me if they take that sort of action.
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Would have been better for the contract discussions and his ego to finish under 10 votes behind Lids imo
Why? :-\
I wonder if Ralph Carr will attempt to play funny business again after last night with Dusty finishing 13th in the Brownlow? ::)
If they try this on at this stage I wouldnt be unhappy at all if the club severed ties completely with the player and sent him on his way. No regrets from me if they take that sort of action.
:lol :lol
Think there's a good chance Ralph might be doing as he is told these days. Don't think the AFLPA is very happy with him ;D
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Would have been better for the contract discussions and his ego to finish under 10 votes behind Lids imo
Why? :-\
I wonder if Ralph Carr will attempt to play funny business again after last night with Dusty finishing 13th in the Brownlow? ::)
If they try this on at this stage I wouldnt be unhappy at all if the club severed ties completely with the player and sent him on his way. No regrets from me if they take that sort of action.
:lol :lol
Think there's a good chance Ralph might be doing as he is told these days. Don't think the AFLPA is very happy with him ;D
Williams why are you laughing. We are a tough bunch in here its our way or the highway ;D
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I have no problem with Dusty negotiating for what's in his best interest but he has probably got the best he is going to get in front of him now.
I believe he is a good bloke and knows that Richmond is the best place for him (he would be sick of hearing it from so call experts). I would suggest his management team wants to save face by playing hard ball. I cant believe he would want to go to Brisbane ( last option) as in case you haven't noticed half their team is trying to leave.
My advice is to say it how it looks , I was never going to leave but was testing the boundaries to see what was possible And I'm looking forward to playing finals again -
In fact I would ask for five years at 500K ( insurance) as you never know when you might do a career ending injury
GO Tigers
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(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/304863-tlsgallerylandscape.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/gallery/2013-09-24/brownlow-medal-2013#c43283f444d41410VgnVCM200000986bb70aRCRD
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Tiger71 on BF - "From what I was told, it (sic) expect news before our BnF"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-188#post-30297069
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haha that's just a stab in the dark by Tiger 71. :rollin anyone could predict he will sign. If he signs & nothing has been sorted out yet. from my very good SAUCE ;D :rollin sarcastic that sauce ;D
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Would have been better for the contract discussions and his ego to finish under 10 votes behind Lids imo
Why? :-\
I wonder if Ralph Carr will attempt to play funny business again after last night with Dusty finishing 13th in the Brownlow? ::)
If they try this on at this stage I wouldnt be unhappy at all if the club severed ties completely with the player and sent him on his way. No regrets from me if they take that sort of action.
:lol :lol
Think there's a good chance Ralph might be doing as he is told these days. Don't think the AFLPA is very happy with him ;D
Williams why are you laughing. We are a tough bunch in here its our way or the highway ;D
Ramps being doing a lot of laughing during this thread. Some absolute gold in here ;D
The love, the hate, then the love again, then the angst, then the love is back, then the hate, then the love returns for another encore
And that's just in the space of 24 hours ;D :rollin ;D
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Would have been better for the contract discussions and his ego to finish under 10 votes behind Lids imo
Why? :-\
I wonder if Ralph Carr will attempt to play funny business again after last night with Dusty finishing 13th in the Brownlow? ::)
If they try this on at this stage I wouldnt be unhappy at all if the club severed ties completely with the player and sent him on his way. No regrets from me if they take that sort of action.
:lol :lol
Think there's a good chance Ralph might be doing as he is told these days. Don't think the AFLPA is very happy with him ;D
Williams why are you laughing. We are a tough bunch in here its our way or the highway ;D
Ramps being doing a lot of laughing during this thread. Some absolute gold in here ;D
The love, the hate, then the love again, then the angst, then the love is back, then the hate, then the love returns for another encore
And that's just in the space of 24 hours ;D :rollin ;D
(http://images.tvrage.com/shows/4/3256.jpg)
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The thing for us is that we know Dusty is a required player if we are going to play in premierships
Yo Chimp, the nuffies think Billy Longer and a draft pick equal premierships bro
Don't forget to include the jousting sticks Gerker ;D
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ME Bank Fair or Unfair: It's time for Dustin Martin to go back to Richmond
Herald Sun
September 24, 2013 3:59PM
AFTER shopping himself around to other clubs with little success, Dustin Martin should swallow his pride and re-sign with Richmond.
That's the hot topic on tonight's ME Bank Fair or Unfair segment on AFL360.
Martin, who comes out of contract at the end of this season, has been in negotations with the club since early in the year and shocked the Tigers when he announced early last week he wanted to pursue offers from other clubs.
It's believed Martin earned about $450,000 a season for the past two years and rejected a Richmond offer of $1 million for the next two years.
His manager Ralph Carr is believed to be chasing a $600,000-a-year deal but has so far had little success, with clubs including GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda and Carlton stating they are not interested in a trade.
Richmond has made it clear Martin is a required player, but he will have to start negotiations again from scratch if he wants to stay.
Should he swallow his pride?
See Mark Robinson and Gerard Whately's verdict tonight at 7.30pm on Fox Footy.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/other-sports/me-bank-fair-or-unfair-its-time-for-dustin-martin-to-go-back-to-richmond/story-e6frf56c-1226726302988#ixzz2fnBj7l3T
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Mark Robinson and Gerard Whately
:chuck
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Are we there yet????? FFS.
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ME Bank Fair or Unfair: It's time for Dustin Martin to go back to Richmond
Herald Sun
September 24, 2013 3:59PM
AFTER shopping himself around to other clubs with little success, Dustin Martin should swallow his pride and re-sign with Richmond.
That's the hot topic on tonight's ME Bank Fair or Unfair segment on AFL360.
Martin, who comes out of contract at the end of this season, has been in negotations with the club since early in the year and shocked the Tigers when he announced early last week he wanted to pursue offers from other clubs.
It's believed Martin earned about $450,000 a season for the past two years and rejected a Richmond offer of $1 million for the next two years.
His manager Ralph Carr is believed to be chasing a $600,000-a-year deal but has so far had little success, with clubs including GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda and Carlton stating they are not interested in a trade.
Richmond has made it clear Martin is a required player, but he will have to start negotiations again from scratch if he wants to stay.
Should he swallow his pride?
See Mark Robinson and Gerard Whately's verdict tonight at 7.30pm on Fox Footy.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/other-sports/me-bank-fair-or-unfair-its-time-for-dustin-martin-to-go-back-to-richmond/story-e6frf56c-1226726302988#ixzz2fnBj7l3T
Who cares what they think!!!'
:whistle
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Did anyone else watch 360. Some not so good things just said re: Martin
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Did anyone else watch 360. Some not so good things just said re: Martin
Elaborate please?
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Robbo said that there is still a turn in the saga to come, that they will be discussing it tomorrow night. Couldn't elaborate, but seemed pretty confident. Whately didn't seem to have a clue, but he also said equivocally last week Martin wouldn't be there.
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who gives a stuff? seriously some of our supporters are coming across as complete wankers by supporting Martin on these things. In the end he is either wif us or against us and if he is against us he can pee off.
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Maybe the turn in the saga is the three years that '71 is posting on big footy?
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Alternatively if Brisbane was still showing interest as reported and now Leppa is due to go up there too, might be Dusty has decided to go with him.
= Longer and pick #7
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Robbo said that there is still a turn in the saga to come, that they will be discussing it tomorrow night. Couldn't elaborate, but seemed pretty confident. Whately didn't seem to have a clue, but he also said equivocally last week Martin wouldn't be there.
That was before 6 or more clubs declared they weren't interested, I suspect there might be more than just bris left in the equation, home is where the heart is dusty :shh
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Gerard Whately
:chuck
yes?
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Robbo said that there is still a turn in the saga to come, that they will be discussing it tomorrow night. Couldn't elaborate, but seemed pretty confident. Whately didn't seem to have a clue, but he also said equivocally last week Martin wouldn't be there.
That was before 6 or more clubs declared they weren't interested, I suspect there might be more than just bris left in the equation, home is where the heart is dusty :shh
not if you can get 100-150k more somewhere else ;D
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100-150 before commission/tax.
= 50-75k you'd think :(
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I've lost track. Are we currently supporting him back or telling him to stuff off again?
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We want.... NEED HIM! They had Cameron at the Brownlow saying at when Martin went to GWS his heart is clearly with the RFC. They must sort this out, all parties, otherwise they should all be ashamed of themselves. For the first time in. Very very long team we are building one of th strongest midfields in e comp, losing Martin would be devistating.
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I've lost track. Are we currently supporting him back or telling him to stuff off again?
Great question anyone got an answer ;D
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I've lost track. Are we currently supporting him back or telling him to stuff off again?
Great question anyone got an answer ;D
Supporting, I think!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-24/tigers-still-want-dusty
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Dustin Martin still welcome in yellow and black, says Tigers CEO
By Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
4:54pm AEST Tuesday, September 24, 2013
RICHMOND officials and players want Dustin Martin to remain a Tiger despite the circus his contract negotiations have recently become.
Martin attended Monday night's Brownlow Medal as an invited guest, and took teammate Aaron Edwards with him.
At no point did he appear at odds with his teammates, who included Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Alex Rance and Daniel Jackson, at the Richmond table.
This is despite Martin's filmed tour of the Greater Western Sydney facilities last Thursday, just days after the Tigers released a statement that said he would be pursuing offers from other clubs.
Along with St Kilda, the Giants ruled themselves out of recruiting Martin the following day, while Collingwood never appeared hot on the idea.
Carlton and Melbourne are also reported to be uninterested in the 22-year-old, 86-game player who polled 16 votes in this year's Brownlow.
On Tuesday, the Tigers remained committed to their wayward star despite the tumultuous nature of the past eight days.
"At the moment, it's in the hands of Dustin and his manager," Richmond CEO Brendon Gale told AFL.com.au on Tuesday at the traditional Carbine Club Grand Final Luncheon at Crown.
"Dustin was at the Brownlow last night and we've said all along he's a Richmond player, he's a required player and he's indicated he wanted to go and test the market.
"I imagine he's tested the market and we'll have to have a chat."
Gale said the players had no ill feelings towards Martin, as was demonstrated at the Brownlow Medal count.
He said nothing had happened to prevent the Tigers welcoming him back in yellow and black next year.
"We know Dustin very well and nothing that has transpired over the last seven days really affects our commitment to him, as a person and as a player," he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-24/tigers-still-want-dusty
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I've lost track. Are we currently supporting him back or telling him to stuff off again?
Great question anyone got an answer ;D
The CEO has come out in support, so we are back on the supporters bus
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 news: Nothing to report on DM. In holding pattern. Next week there might be movement either way. Still has options.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-thread-gws-will-not-offer-dusty-a-contract.1032410/page-192#post-30304705
Caro on 3aw didn't know what was happening with Dusty either. She said she hoped something would happen in the next couple of days but some at Richmond had hoped Dusty would return on Monday and re-sign.
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Footy classified on now
Dusty on the agenda again :rollin
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Footy classified on now
Dusty on the agenda again :rollin
Apparently the GF is on this weekend. :shh
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I've lost track. Are we currently supporting him back or telling him to stuff off again?
:lol. :thumbsup
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Benny Gale said he expects the offer now to be the same one as before as that offer is a competitive one based on market value.
So much for Barrett claiming it would be less than what Dusty is already getting :wallywink.
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Interview with Benny Gale says Dusty a required player, outside his family the RFC has supported him to the hilt. Disappointing to see being shown around GWS. Said Giants were really upfront about it. Wouldn't talk about the $$$ side of the contract but said unlikely to be any change in any offer
Caro said club thought he might have come in Monday and re-sign without Carr like Conca did last week. Said Club doesn't want to deal with Carr. Said $$ on offer would be the same as previous but likely to have more incentives and behavioural clauses
Caro said Hutchy was right last week Carr has handled this abysmally but so so has Dusty.
Lloyd said this entire saga has been a massive reality check for Martin. Said Brownlow votes says he had a good year but his 2nd halves suggest Dusty is a player not living a good lifestyle. Said he would have been embarrassed by Dusty and Aaron Edwrads behaviour saod they should have just sat there without the grapes
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Footy classified on now
Dusty on the agenda again :rollin
Apparently the GF is on this weekend. :shh
Obviously Dusty is much bigger news......
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Interview with Benny Gale says Dusty a required player, outside his family the RFC has supported him to the hilt. Disappointing to see being shown around GWS. Said Giants were really upfront about it. Wouldn't talk about the $$$ side of the contract but said unlikely to be any change in any offer
Caro said club thought he might have come in Monday and re-sign without Carr like Conca did last week. Said Club doesn't want to deal with Carr. Said $$ on offer would be the same as previous but likely to have more incentives and behavioural clauses
Caro said Hutchy was right last week Carr has handled this abysmally but so so has Dusty.
Lloyd said this entire saga has been a massive reality check for Martin. Said Brownlow votes says he had a good year but his 2nd halves suggest Dusty is a player not living a good lifestyle. Said he would have been embarrassed by Dusty and Aaron Edwrads behaviour saod they should have just sat there without the grapes
Sounds like sour grapes to me!
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100-150 before commission/tax.
= 50-75k you'd think :(
Nah ;D
And LOL at Lloyd complaining about grapes. Nothing wrong with a bit of humour ::)
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We want.... NEED HIM! They had Cameron at the Brownlow saying at when Martin went to GWS his heart is clearly with the RFC. They must sort this out, all parties, otherwise they should all be ashamed of themselves. For the first time in. Very very long team we are building one of th strongest midfields in e comp, losing Martin would be devistating.
Unfortunately we want and we we need can be two different things. Id want to root a supermodel everynight but it aint happening ;D
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The article said Conca signed before his manager was in town, don't know what that means?
No it doens't.
It says "If only he had the strength he demonstrates on the MCG and took a stand on his own as Reece Conca did this week and put pen to paper without waiting for his manager to get to town". Which means why couldn't Dusty do what Reece Conca did (take less money to stay) and sign a contract while his manager (Carr) was interstate
I read it as Conca signed without waiting for his manager to get into town, funny the way we interpret things differently
Going by what Caro said on Footy Classified last night I've clearly misinterpreted Caro's article, therefore I was wrong
Sorry folks :thumbsup
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I smell a rat here
Still no signature and by bennys comments you would say it ain't any closer either
I love the thought process of dealing with lions for Longer. Who actually said he could play?
I just hope he ain't trying to bend is over and roll into the PSD
I've been strong on this from day 1, something more than money must be involved here.
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I smell a rat here
Still no signature and by bennys comments you would say it ain't any closer either
I love the thought process of dealing with lions for Longer. Who actually said he could play?
I just hope he ain't trying to bend is over and roll into the PSD
I've been strong on this from day 1, something more than money must be involved here.
Bloody Connors influencing him behind the scenes. Would not be surprised if another Victorian team has been in his ear. He would like to stay here to keep up with his bogan friend!
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He still hasn't bloody signed??!?!?! :banghead :banghead :banghead
(http://renaissanceronin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/angry_mob.png)
:rollin :rollin
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Brisbane coach Justin Leppitsch eyes Richmond star Dustin Martin as potential trade target
Andrew Hamilton
From: The Courier-Mail
September 25, 2013 10:18AM
BRISBANE coach Justin Leppitsch admits his former Tigers protégé Dustin Martin comes with some "baggage" but has not ruled out making an approach to him to join the Lions.
The Tigers star is on the market and the Lions have already made inquiries about his intentions for 2014.
Leppitsch said he had yet to discuss the ultra-talented Tiger’s midfielder with Lions football manager Dean Warren.
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Richmond's Martin is out of contract and, while several clubs have baulked at going after the young midfielder, Leppitsch is leaving the possibility open.
'We haven't discussed it. I know Dusty well,' Leppitsch told a media conference on Wednesday.
'I do have my views but I won't share them here today.
'It'd be premature for me to talk about those sorts of things.'
Richmond have mentored the 22-year-old Martin heavily off the field.
Martin was suspended by the Tigers for two games in 2012 for missing a training session after taking a sleeping pill.
'Every player's a package and players have to realise that now,' Leppitsch said.
'You see what's going on with Collingwood now with Heath Shaw (who is reportedly set to leave the club).
'Even more and more, with the media involved and potential off-field investment clubs can put in you, you are a package as a player.
'I won't touch on Dustin's particular issue but every player needs to know that you have positives and negatives.
'You can have a lot of ticks and limited crosses, or they'll start evening up and you might find your way out the door.'
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-coach-justin-leppitsch-eyes-richmond-star-dustin-martin-as-potential-trade-target/story-fnfll94y-1226726760048
http://www.skynews.com.au/sport/article.aspx?id=909218
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Longer :pray
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Longer :pray
Dwaino have you seen Longer play? I only ask because i dont get why he is all the rage.
I have seen Adams though as well as Dusty, and to be honest i would be making a play for Adams before Longer any day of the week.
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Longer :pray
Longer + Docherty + pick 9
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Longer and Rockliff
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Longer and Rockliff
The Lobster is a freak.
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Longer :pray
Dwaino have you seen Longer play? I only ask because i dont get why he is all the rage.
I have seen Adams though as well as Dusty, and to be honest i would be making a play for Adams before Longer any day of the week.
Yep. Of course you haven't seen much of him, he was only drafted two years ago and behind Leuy. Best ruckman from his draft and has showed enough in the last two NAB cups he'll develop into a top ruck. Can take a grab and kick a goal too. If $400k from the Pies is his interest now what will it be up to next time? Mids are a dime a dozen. Longer has two years of development into him already and we will be able to start using him almost immediately. Will be a number 1 ruck in time wherever he goes so may as well be us.
We've nearly missed the boat on developing our next ruck. Getting longer would be like we started developing one two years ago.
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And his boyfriend will move yo Melbourne :clapping
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So is today's instalment we want him out the door ;D
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So is today's instalment we want him out the door ;D
I think so. Back to calling him judas today ;D
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Would like him to stay but don't really care if he stays or goes as long as we get a good deal out of it. Longer and brisbanes first rounder is a good fit for the reasons Dwaino stated, we desperately need an up and coming future number 1 ruckman. But Hawks and Pies are into him bigtime, just depends on how highly Brisbane rate Dusty.
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Obviously won't contemplate signing until well into the trade period to see if he can get any interest at all from clubs which will give him more control back over his contract decision.
I agree with tony though - if he goes we need to make sure it is not for nothing. Ive seen Adam play and he is quality. I would suggest that he would challenge Martin for output over a full game our team. Love to get Longer too but may have to offer up too much for him with Hawks and Pies all over him. I find it strange their over the top interest - they don't have the immediate ruck concerns we do (and have had for many years).
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Can't believe some on here are talking about the trade possibilities or that they don't care if he leaves. FFS, I think a lot of you are doing what you did all year, you did and are playing down his value to our finals aspirations and a shot at the GF.
We should be supporting getting him back. Don't expect to finish top 4 without him, actually I wouldn't be surprised if we missed the 8, should he leave. He was a match winner for us many times this year, he would not be easily replaced.
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Can't believe some on here are talking about the trade possibilities or that they don't care if he leaves. FFS, I think a lot of you are doing what you did all year, you did and are playing down his value to our finals aspirations and a shot at the GF.
We should be supporting getting him back. Don't expect to finish top 4 without him, actually I wouldn't be surprised if we missed the 8, should he leave. He was a match winner for us many times this year, he would not be easily replaced.
I rate him very highly, but IF he wants to leave then his hearts not in it so id want us to get the best out of a bad situation. I just lost some respect for the way this has panned out, been messy and the timing is all wrong imo.
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Can't believe some on here are talking about the trade possibilities or that they don't care if he leaves. FFS, I think a lot of you are doing what you did all year, you did and are playing down his value to our finals aspirations and a shot at the GF.
We should be supporting getting him back. Don't expect to finish top 4 without him, actually I wouldn't be surprised if we missed the 8, should he leave. He was a match winner for us many times this year, he would not be easily replaced.
I rate him very highly, but IF he wants to leave then his hearts not in it so id want us to get the best out of a bad situation. I just lost some respect for the way this has panned out, been messy and the timing is all wrong imo.
Fair enough but his heart is with the club, that is the vibe Leon Comeron gt he other day when Dusty went to visit GWS. All the crap has to stop, get it sorted and sign him IMO.
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I love how on the internet, everyone can spew about -
1- Stuff that didn't happen yet
2- Stuff that would never happen.
3- Stuff that can happen,
all based on minimal prior knowledge.
Good place, the internet! ;D
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I love how on the internet, everyone can spew about -
1- Stuff that didn't happen yet
2- Stuff that would never happen.
3- Stuff that can happen,
all based on minimal prior knowledge.
Good place, the internet! ;D
:clapping :bow :clapping
;D
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I love how on the internet, everyone can spew about -
1- Stuff that didn't happen yet
2- Stuff that would never happen.
3- Stuff that can happen,
all based on minimal prior knowledge.
Good place, the internet! ;D
Would of thought a forum was for that????
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I love how on the internet, everyone can spew about -
1- Stuff that didn't happen yet
2- Stuff that would never happen.
3- Stuff that can happen,
all based on minimal prior knowledge.
Good place, the internet! ;D
Would of thought a forum was for that????
:thumbsup :lol :lol
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HAS HE SIGNED YET ;D or ARE WE ALL GONNA BE TELLING HIM TO pee ORF!
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HAS HE SIGNED YET ;D or ARE WE ALL GONNA BE TELLING HIM TO pee ORF!
Not sure what chapter we are up too today
It will be one of them guaranteed ;D
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Whats Tiger71 report today ;D
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Longer :pray
Dwaino have you seen Longer play? I only ask because i dont get why he is all the rage.
I have seen Adams though as well as Dusty, and to be honest i would be making a play for Adams before Longer any day of the week.
Longer averages 2 kicks and 1 mark a game, what is it I missed, I must have blinked at the wrong time ::)
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too busy reading all your junk mail?
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Longer :pray
Dwaino have you seen Longer play? I only ask because i dont get why he is all the rage.
I have seen Adams though as well as Dusty, and to be honest i would be making a play for Adams before Longer any day of the week.
Longer averages 2 kicks and 1 mark a game, what is it I missed, I must have blinked at the wrong time ::)
:clapping
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Longer :pray
Dwaino have you seen Longer play? I only ask because i dont get why he is all the rage.
I have seen Adams though as well as Dusty, and to be honest i would be making a play for Adams before Longer any day of the week.
Longer averages 2 kicks and 1 mark a game, what is it I missed, I must have blinked at the wrong time ::)
Oh we already have got big benny G who can do that (well up to 3/4 time anyway until he gets injured)
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Whats Tiger71 report today ;D
This isn't verbatim but it goes something like this.
"Before lists need to be finalised by October 31 we'll know."
In other words Big Footy = Big Malakies. ;D
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Not a single mention of Dusty tonight on AFL360 despite Robbo's "curve-ball" comment last night?
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Not a single mention of Dusty tonight on AFL360 despite Robbo's "curve-ball" comment last night?
My mail is the fox lawyers gagged him, :shh
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Not a single mention of Dusty tonight on AFL360 despite Robbo's "curve-ball" comment last night?
My mail is the fox lawyers gagged him, :shh
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Not a single mention of Dusty tonight on AFL360 despite Robbo's "curve-ball" comment last night?
Did you expect anything? ;D
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Not a single mention of Dusty tonight on AFL360 despite Robbo's "curve-ball" comment last night?
My mail is the fox lawyers gagged him, :shh
If only the donut shop would do likewise. :shh
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For love or money
by Tom Viney
oneweekatatime.com.au
September 26th, 2013
Mahatma Ghandi once wrote a different spin of the Seven Deadly Sins and his first was, “wealth without work.” Dustin Martin and the Richmond Football Club and “Shoeless” Joe Jackson and the 1919 Chicago White Sox sprung to mind when I recently stumbled across Ghandi’s quote.
In 1919, eight members of the Chicago White Sox conspired to ‘throw’ the World Series versus Cincinnati, a series they were expected to win 5-0. The story goes the players were angry at their owner Charles Comiskey, who didn’t look after them financially while he pocketed large amounts of cash himself. Each player was to be paid the princely sum of five thousand dollars for his part in the fix, double the salary most of them were paid. They lost the series and so much more that October nearly one hundred years ago. The ’19 Chicago team are still referred to as ‘The Black Sox’.
One of the players indicted and banned for life was the legendary “Shoeless” Joe Jackson. Babe Ruth famously said he modelled his swing on Jackson’s. He still has the third highest career batting average of all time (.356), and the sixth highest single season average (.408). Jackson always maintained his innocence and pop culture movies “Eight Men Out” (1988) and “Field of Dreams” (1989) certainly support this view of the scandal. There has been more than one attempt to remove “Shoeless Joe” from the ineligible list for the Baseball Hall of Fame, such is the love for him and belief in his innocence, but at the time of writing Joe Jackson is still the greatest player not inducted in the Hall of Fame.
Jackson’s raw stats for the 1919 series suggested that even if he took the money from the gamblers, he didn’t act on his promise. During the series Jackson led all players in hits (12) and batting average (.375), and he committed no errors from his usual position at left field. He also hit the only home run in the series. Legend has it that outside the court house after the trial of the players, a young White Sox fan was heard to say with tears streaming, “Say it ain’t so, Joe!”
Thankfully, stories like the “Black Sox” have not rocked Australian sport too often. There has been the odd bet that has landed the perpetrator in hot water for a while, Damien Oliver being the most recent case. But overall, our sports are pretty clean (or perhaps I’m a bit naïve?).
In the last twenty years or so however, there has been an American infiltration into Australian sport that has me worried. It is a monster that may be worse than gambling on sports. It is unpredictable and it is set the rock the world of many more young fans, like the lad outside the courthouse waiting to ask his hero a question in 1920. It is the player manager who is the new breed of gambler. They are perfectly legal, but some consider them immoral.
When Dustin Martin decided to “field other offers” despite not walking out on the club, it caused everyone from tiger legend Matthew Richardson to league boss Andrew Demetriou to talk or tweet. Everyone had an opinion and social media was in a frenzy. I read on a Richmond fan forum that it was akin to saying to your wife, “I’m going out tonight honey to see if I can pick up a hotter lady, but if I can’t I’ll be home at 11!” Dustin himself tweeted for patience and understanding, but they are two things society is short of these days.
The odd thing is, Martin is nowhere near being a free agent (another new term for Aussie sports fans), but coming out of contract is just as powerful in 2013. Player manager Ralph Carr, who was also in charge during Travis Cloke’s drawn out negotiations last year, seems to care only for the number of zeros in the contract and little else. He plays hard ball for his clients. He takes no prisoners and that trait is admirable and one to be respected until he plays hard ball with the brightest young star at your club, too bad if you’re a young tiger fan with number four on your jumper and tears streaming.
‘An extra fifty thousand here, a lucrative endorsement there, and whatever you do, don’t sign too early kids. Loyalty is dead anyway!’
The interesting thing is, in 1919, Major League Baseball had a reserve clause which meant if a player refused the contract his club offered, he was not permitted to sign for another team, effectively ruling him out of the game. A system Ralph Carr would struggle to operate in I’m sure.
There is another rather sad similarity between Dustin Martin and “Shoeless” Joe. Jackson was illiterate and some say he was “tricked or bullied” into signing the papers to fix the World Series. I’m not saying Martin is in anyway illiterate but the constant suggestion that he needs “looking after” off-field rings alarm bells. Some clubs have baulked at recruiting him apparently because of the extra resources required to keep him on track. I don’t know Dustin personally and have no knowledge of his movements after the final siren of games and I wonder if he is an easy target because of the way he looks and where he comes from (Dustin left high school in Year 9 to work with his father). I just hope his decision, whatever he chooses, is his own and not Carr’s.
I wondered what had happened to the Chicago Black Sox after the trial and Commissioner Landis’ decision to ban them from playing Major League Baseball for life despite the players being acquitted by the grand jury. The team would not win the American League championship for forty years, spawning the “Curse of the Black Sox”. Comiskey died in 1931 with the reputation of being a frugal owner who failed to earn the respect of his players. Joe Jackson would never play organised baseball again, although in “Field of Dreams” he is said to have turned up in a much lower level league under an assumed name, because he loved to play and couldn’t keep away from the game. The image of him swinging the bat with a smile on his face is a haunting image.
I haven’t seen Dustin Martin smile with that same level of satisfaction and confidence since he came into the league. Perhaps his mate, Dan Connors got it right when he tweeted “…let the kid live…” Would a young star like Dustin Martin be able to derive pleasure from the game if he played every Saturday at 2pm at a suburban ground? Does he love the game or is he thinking only of the dollars on offer?
Dustin has done four years of work and now wants the wealth but is he worth the extras? Only time will tell. It might be worth heading down to a suburban ground like, hmm, I don’t know, maybe Aberfeldie in ten years time and asking one or two of the players why they play the game.
http://www.oneweekatatime.com.au/for-love-or-money/
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Richmond captain Trent Cotchin says Tigers have no hard feelings towards Dustin Martin
Matt Windley
Herald Sun
September 26, 2013
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin says Dustin Martin will not be shunned by his teammates should he remain a Tiger.
Cotchin said he had kept in regular contact with Martin since the Tigers were bundled out of the finals by Carlton.
Martin’s decision to entertain offers from rival clubs has attracted criticism from the footy public, but Cotchin said that will not affect his relationships or the way he is viewed at the club.
New Brisbane coach Justin Leppitsch, who worked with Martin for four years at Richmond, has not ruled out trying to lure the midefielder north.
But asked if he thought Martin would remain a Tiger, Cotchin said: "I would hope so".
"He’s definitely a very important part of our future and he’s a very talented player," Cotchin told the Herald Sun.
"I obviously saw him on Brownlow night, I speak to him probably every second day.
"As it’s been mentioned a number of times, it’s probably one of those things where it’s up to the player, his management and the club to work through. Until that happens that’s about as much as I know about it."
Cotchin has provided constant support for Martin since the Bendigo Pioneers youth arrived at the club in late 2009.
He said he had been in a bind throughout the contract saga.
"I’m captain of a very proud football club, but I’m also a close friend of his and have been there to support him," Cotchin said.
"Sometimes it puts you in a tough position, but nothing will ever change for me, I’m always going to be there for him."
Cotchin said Martin would be embraced by his teammates if he does decide to stay.
"We started out at the start of the year saying that we needed everyone to be on the same page," he said.
"If Dusty’s a part of our footy club then he is one of us 100 per cent and we’ll be looking forward to pre-season training and also taking on 2014 and beyond together.’’
Leppitsch, formally introduced as Lions coach in Melbourne on Tuesday, was coy when asked about Martin.
Greater Western Sydney and Melbourne have declared they are out of the race after expressing some early interest.
"Obviously I know Dusty well,’’ Leppitsch said.
"I do have my views but I won’t discuss them here today, this isn’t really the forum to start talking about individuals and where we see them when my feet haven’t really got under the desk yet."
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-says-tigers-have-no-hard-feelings-towards-dustin-martin/story-fniv6drm-1226727356867
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football on twitter:
DavidM - "Is Martin still likely to stay?"
@BrettAndersonIF - "Martin will stay, no one else will touch him."
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This is one of the strangest episodes I have witnessed.We have a footballer who is on the verge of becoming elite,who has skills that can turn a game on its head.
Yet it appears that almost no club will go near him.In times past badboys like Fev,Cuzz,even our own Aaron Edwards have drawn interest.I mean is this kid an assassin,a terrorist.did he shoot kennedy..whats prompting this avoidance plus?
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Urotsukidoji
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I reckon they are making a stand against this Carr twit, they want rid of him and his like, he is completely unreasonable. Every club is thinking the same thing can happen to us if this idiot gets his mitts on one of our young stars, causing havoc in opposition lists by shaking players free and / or causing pressure on salary margins for other players, the dude stinks to high heaven and given that he was a former board member for Carltank. So far he has targeted Collingwood and Richmond, Carlton arch enemies. Stinks to me.
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I reckon its crap and clubs are interested. Just not speaking up yet.
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I reckon its crap and clubs are interested. Just not speaking up yet.
i dunno so much, I get the feeling he s proving about as popular as a Julia gillard gig at the comic lounge right now, stay tuned :shh
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jarrod @footynutcase twitter:
"Martin will re sign Monday"
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jarrod @footynutcase twitter:
"Martin will re sign Monday"
mighty tiges @mightytiges - "You know that jarrod or is that an educated guess?"
jarrod @footynutcase - "not a guess mate he wanted to sign tomorrow but with the gf"
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@conmjj twitter:
"Hmm just heard some very interesting news concerning a certain Tigers player out of contract. Anyone else? Hmm let's wait a little longer..."
"Lets see what @barrettdamian says tonight. I know for sure Carr wants to wait for Buddy's move. Did DM make a big choice? Hmm.."
Is this the twitter account of one of our legendary Greek OERites? ;D
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so no other clubs wanted him so he comes crawling back to us?
that's just what I'm getting, i havent payed much attention to this.
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jarrod @footynutcase twitter:
"Martin will re sign Monday"
mighty tiges @mightytiges - "You know that jarrod or is that an educated guess?"
jarrod @footynutcase - "not a guess mate he wanted to sign tomorrow but with the gf"
Danny Andjelkovic @Nugz12 - "how confident mate? 30%? 50%? 80%? 100%?"
jarrod @footynutcase - "200 %"
jarrod @footynutcase - "I worked at club once"
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@conmjj twitter:
"Hmm just heard some very interesting news concerning a certain Tigers player out of contract. Anyone else? Hmm let's wait a little longer..."
"Lets see what @barrettdamian says tonight. I know for sure Carr wants to wait for Buddy's move. Did DM make a big choice? Hmm.."
@Nugz12 - "spill your guts mate!!! Come on! lol"
@conmjj - "I won't. I have just heard something did indeed happen today and it was interesting. Might wait for a Jon Ralph 12am update maybe..."
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This is one of the strangest episodes I have witnessed.We have a footballer who is on the verge of becoming elite,who has skills that can turn a game on its head.
Yet it appears that almost no club will go near him.In times past badboys like Fev,Cuzz,even our own Aaron Edwards have drawn interest.I mean is this kid an assassin,a terrorist.did he shoot kennedy..whats prompting this avoidance plus?
agree G, just bizarre
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No other club wants dusty because he has made it clear to them that he wishes to remain at Richmond.
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No other club wants dusty because he has made it clear to them that he wishes to remain at Richmond.
LIKE !
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what is all this rubbish ?????
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Dunno, I'm not inclined to believe any pee talk until it's in black and white in the papers
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Dunno, I'm not inclined to believe any pee talk until it's in black and white in the papers
Here, here jangles!!!!!!
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what is all this rubbish ?????
Dusty to re-sign on Monday is the latest word. The guy claiming it is saying he's 100% 200% sure. It would've been announced tomorrow if not for the Grand Final swamping all the footy world's focus.
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what is all this rubbish ?????
Dusty to re-sign on Monday is the latest word. The guy claiming it is saying he's 100% 200% sure. It would've been announced tomorrow if not for the Grand Final swamping all the footy world's focus.
Yes B&F announcement has a nice ring to it ;D
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Righty-o ::)
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FWIW, I heard the same thing!
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FWIW, I heard the same thing!
FWIW I have heard nuffink :rollin
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what is all this rubbish ?????
Dusty to re-sign on Monday is the latest word. The guy claiming it is saying he's 100% 200% sure. It would've been announced tomorrow if not for the Grand Final swamping all the footy world's focus.
Yes B&F announcement has a nice ring to it ;D
Dont like it, reeks of me me me
I know Dusty isnt like that , but geez
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It reeks of no one having any stuffing idea
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what is all this rubbish ?????
Dusty to re-sign on Monday is the latest word. The guy claiming it is saying he's 100% 200% sure. It would've been announced tomorrow if not for the Grand Final swamping all the footy world's focus.
Yes B&F announcement has a nice ring to it ;D
Dont like it, reeks of me me me
I know Dusty isnt like that , but geez
Might be what the club wants, not what Dusty wants
1,500 of the faithful packed into the Palladium at Crown
Can see it happening ;D
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The bloke 'jarrod', who said Dusty will re-sign on Monday, says Dusty will sign on for 3 years at 420k.
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My mail is three years at 410k
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My mail got put into the wrong letterbox! :lol
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return to sender
There's a lot of that going on ;D
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So can I keep bagging him until Monday?
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No other club wants dusty because he has made it clear to them that he wishes to remain at Richmond.
Well yeh that and he's a ticking time bomb who if he wasn't a gun would have gone the way of Dan Connors. :lol
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Martin and Tigers stuck in standoff
Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 27, 2013
The Dustin Martin saga has taken another twist with the 22-year-old sticking with his manager Ralph Carr and refusing to engage in contract talks alone with Richmond.
The Tigers are again envisaging a future without the troubled but talented young star, with Martin awaiting the arrival of his father, Shane, in Melbourne on Monday before making his next move.
And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
The Tigers continue to maintain that Martin is a required player but stand to lose him to the draft should a deal not be achieved.
Martin is understood to have instructed Richmond this week to deal with Carr after the player failed to attend a meeting with football boss Daniel Richardson and his offsider, Blair Hartley, at Punt Road on Monday.
Carr has indicated his frustration that club CEO Brendon Gale has not responded to his calls in the past and claimed Martin has been disappointed in Richmond's criticism of his management style.
Richmond and Carr have not been in contact this week, leaving the prospect of no deal being reached before Monday's Jack Dyer Medal count, in which Martin will poll well.
The expectation had been that Martin, after meeting coach Damien Hardwick late last week and previously being rejected by Greater Western Sydney, would return to the club and reach an agreement this week. But the Martin camp has continued to baulk at the Tigers' two-year offer of close to $1 million - an offer that could now prove heavily conditional, with performance and behavioural clauses.
Carr had indicated previously he had been obeying instructions in taking Martin to tour the Giants' facilities in Sydney's inner west, claiming the player had shown interest in living closer to his father and away from Melbourne's fishbowl football environment. He has also accused Richmond of suggesting Martin change managers.
No club has as yet made an offer to Martin, although his management has previously maintained he would achieve close to $600,000 annually should he place himself in the draft. ''They know our position,'' said Carr of the Tigers, adding he had no issue with Martin's behaviour on Brownlow night. ''I care about Dustin,'' said Carr. ''I thought it was fair enough after a long season that he had a drink.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-and-tigers-stuck-in-standoff-20130926-2uh18.html
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FFS sort it out muppets
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The bloke 'jarrod', who said Dusty will re-sign on Monday, says Dusty will sign on for 3 years at 420k.
jarrod @footynutcase - "He needs to take a pay cut for a flag"
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Well done @jarrod you stuffing arse clown.
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We never had this problem with Andrew Browne. >:(
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Isn't Ralphy a Carltoon's supporter
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The bloke 'jarrod', who said Dusty will re-sign on Monday, says Dusty will sign on for 3 years at 420k.
jarrod @footynutcase - "He needs to take a pay cut for a flag"
That is a 14 year old kid lol
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Isn't Ralphy a Carltoon's supporter
Former Blues board member.
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Carr's popularity just keeps growing - NOT! :wallywink
Agent Ralph Carr in charity spat
Stephen Drill
Herald Sun
September 26, 2013 11:30PM
CHARITIES are demanding footballer Dustin Martin’s controversial manager, Ralph Carr, remove their names from his website after they said they had no association with him.
Cancer Australia and the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute have no record of donations or support and will ask Mr Carr to remove their names from his website.
The site, ralphcarr.com, lists his achievements, which include his management of his former wife, singer Tina Arena, and entertainers Vanessa Amorosi, Richard Wilkins and Kate Ceberano.
Under a section titled “philanthropy”, the site says: “For the past 20 years, Ralph has directly supported a number of causes, totalling over $20 million worth of donations and funds.
“Ralph Carr directly supports charities including Cancer Australia and is a patron for Entertainment Assist. Ralph is also proud to be a supporter of the Good Friday appeal, having been involved with the event for 20 years through providing entertainment and making donations each year.”
Mr Carr said appearances by his artists had helped the charities raise the money.
Down Syndrome NSW said Mr Carr had arranged for Wilkins to attend fundraisers, and Kids’ Helpline said Ms Amorosi had volunteered her time through her agent.
Cancer Australia spokesman Simon Thomas said that it had no record of donations from Mr Carr or his business.
“We will be asking him to remove that information,” Mr Thomas said.
A Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute spokeswoman said Mr Carr had never made donations in her 17 years at the organisation.
Mr Carr, who has been criticised for his handling of his star Richmond midfielder Martin’s contract negotiations, said he had been a strong supporter of charities.
“We have made no claims that RCM have made $20 million in donations,” he said.
“As our website says, ‘for the past 20 years, Ralph has supported a number of causes totalling over $20 million worth of donations and funds’, which the supported charities have raised.”
When asked if he had receipts or tax deduction records to prove his cash donations, Mr Carr refused to provide further details.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/breaking-news/agent-ralph-carr-in-charity-spat/story-e6frfkp9-1226727886140#ixzz2g0sxjadb
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Lol the only charity Ralph will be donating too will be the Save Ralph Carr's Life charity when Dusty's contract doesn't reach 600k. :shh
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Carr's unprofessionalism continues. Situation needs to be sorted out pronto.
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And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
Really :wallywink what else have you told/promised him :banghead rather than whacking your critics
Only person damaging your reputation Ralph is you with a bit of help with your foolsih client, who you seem to have an unhealthy control over.
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Reckon today's chapter is "there's the door, don't ......."
;D :rollin ;D
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lmao at carr trying to play the poor poor pitiful me card.
The bloke is as slick as duck poo, and about as appealing.
My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged
:nopity
Anyone that has been around the block enough has come accross this type of dick head. No matter how big of a pratt they are and how poorly they act. it always the rest of the world that is in the wrong.
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Carr had indicated previously he had been obeying instructions in taking Martin to tour the Giants' facilities in Sydney's inner west, claiming the player had shown interest in living closer to his father and away from Melbourne's fishbowl football environment.
All I hear is "go where I can play up and not get caught". :'(
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And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
Really :wallywink what else have you told/promised him :banghead rather than whacking your critics
Only person damaging your reputation Ralph is you with a bit of help with your foolsih client, who you seem to have an unhealthy control over.
And can I add rather blaming this at the feet of the RFC:
"Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
Why don't you do what your client and those around him clearly want and have asked you to finalise and that's a deal with the RFC :huh Because anyone with half a brain (or in your case 1/8th of a brain) knows the kid wants to stay at the RFC
But then again we all know the answer and it has nothing to do with your reputation it's all about your pockets
And as for Dusty's old man, Shane - about time you got off the fence (like you did 6 weeks ago) and put an end to this pathetic circus
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I haven't read a chapter in ages. Someone tell me what my opinion should be.
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I haven't read a chapter in ages. Someone tell me what my opinion should be.
Just make sure it's different to what it was yesterday and what it will be tomorrow :rollin
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The bloke 'jarrod', who said Dusty will re-sign on Monday, says Dusty will sign on for 3 years at 420k.
What a load of poppy cock it starts at 500, with a whole heap of incentives, AA , Norm smith et al..it's a ripper deal :shh
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If we offered him $420k be would probably just say F off and leave.
Even I think that's too low!
Yet I'm desperate for tangible evidence that he will stay...
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I haven't read a chapter in ages. Someone tell me what my opinion should be.
Just make sure it's different to what it was yesterday and what it will be tomorrow :rollin
But what was it yesterday exactly :-\
I've forgotten :'(
Or maybe I just got it confused with the day before or what it may be next week ;D
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Reckon today's chapter is "there's the door, don't ......."
;D :rollin ;D
See youre up nice and early to destroy my days agenda. What a disgrace. Dusty sign up or dont let the door hit your arse on the way out. ;D
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Martin and Tigers stuck in standoff
Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 27, 2013
The Dustin Martin saga has taken another twist with the 22-year-old sticking with his manager Ralph Carr and refusing to engage in contract talks alone with Richmond.
The Tigers are again envisaging a future without the troubled but talented young star, with Martin awaiting the arrival of his father, Shane, in Melbourne on Monday before making his next move.
And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
The Tigers continue to maintain that Martin is a required player but stand to lose him to the draft should a deal not be achieved.
Martin is understood to have instructed Richmond this week to deal with Carr after the player failed to attend a meeting with football boss Daniel Richardson and his offsider, Blair Hartley, at Punt Road on Monday.
Carr has indicated his frustration that club CEO Brendon Gale has not responded to his calls in the past and claimed Martin has been disappointed in Richmond's criticism of his management style.
Richmond and Carr have not been in contact this week, leaving the prospect of no deal being reached before Monday's Jack Dyer Medal count, in which Martin will poll well.
The expectation had been that Martin, after meeting coach Damien Hardwick late last week and previously being rejected by Greater Western Sydney, would return to the club and reach an agreement this week. But the Martin camp has continued to baulk at the Tigers' two-year offer of close to $1 million - an offer that could now prove heavily conditional, with performance and behavioural clauses.
Carr had indicated previously he had been obeying instructions in taking Martin to tour the Giants' facilities in Sydney's inner west, claiming the player had shown interest in living closer to his father and away from Melbourne's fishbowl football environment. He has also accused Richmond of suggesting Martin change managers.
No club has as yet made an offer to Martin, although his management has previously maintained he would achieve close to $600,000 annually should he place himself in the draft. ''They know our position,'' said Carr of the Tigers, adding he had no issue with Martin's behaviour on Brownlow night. ''I care about Dustin,'' said Carr. ''I thought it was fair enough after a long season that he had a drink.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-and-tigers-stuck-in-standoff-20130926-2uh18.html
Cya later Dustin. Been nice knowing ya as a Richmond player but its time to move on young man, you dont want to be one of us. See ya!
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Flipped a coin this morning. It's a dusty can go EAD day.
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Reckon today's chapter is "there's the door, don't ......."
;D :rollin ;D
How about making the next chapter, "The backhanded cash grab tattoo"?
My mail is that you don't get one of them plastered on your mitt and then join the philanthropy society.
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I think it is a Dusty will go day.
RFC says who he can can't be mates with.
RFC says who he can and can't go on holiday with
RFC says what he can and can't drink
RFC says he can't take drugs
RFC... who's your daddy Dustin?
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what is all this rubbish ?????
Dusty to re-sign on Monday is the latest word. The guy claiming it is saying he's 100% 200% sure. It would've been announced tomorrow if not for the Grand Final swamping all the footy world's focus.
Don't agree with this information.
Why would you not get a mans signature today on a deal if you can get it? The answer to that question is, you wouldn't you would get it now.
Why would you be so incompetent as to wait another 4 days to get a signing when god knows what can happen to come in and potentially derail this negotiation yet again.
Either he has already signed and the club are delaying the announcement till monday, which I doubt or the above statement in quotes above is false.
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I tell you there are a lot of shady people in the entertainment industry.
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what is all this rubbish ?????
Dusty to re-sign on Monday is the latest word. The guy claiming it is saying he's 100% 200% sure. It would've been announced tomorrow if not for the Grand Final swamping all the footy world's focus.
Don't agree with this information.
Why would you not get a mans signature today on a deal if you can get it? The answer to that question is, you wouldn't you would get it now.
Why would you be so incompetent as to wait another 4 days to get a signing when god knows what can happen to come in and potentially derail this negotiation yet again.
Either he has already signed and the club are delaying the announcement till monday, which I doubt or the above statement in quotes above is false.
Is it coincidence that Dusty is predicted to re-sign on Monday and that his father is supposed to be flying into Melbourne on the same day?
I got a feeling that Dusty does not wish to sign anything unless his father is present, especially with the manager that he has.
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Another Carlton shady tosser.
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Martin and Tigers stuck in standoff
Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 27, 2013
The Dustin Martin saga has taken another twist with the 22-year-old sticking with his manager Ralph Carr and refusing to engage in contract talks alone with Richmond.
The Tigers are again envisaging a future without the troubled but talented young star, with Martin awaiting the arrival of his father, Shane, in Melbourne on Monday before making his next move.
And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
The Tigers continue to maintain that Martin is a required player but stand to lose him to the draft should a deal not be achieved.
Martin is understood to have instructed Richmond this week to deal with Carr after the player failed to attend a meeting with football boss Daniel Richardson and his offsider, Blair Hartley, at Punt Road on Monday.
Carr has indicated his frustration that club CEO Brendon Gale has not responded to his calls in the past and claimed Martin has been disappointed in Richmond's criticism of his management style.
Richmond and Carr have not been in contact this week, leaving the prospect of no deal being reached before Monday's Jack Dyer Medal count, in which Martin will poll well.
The expectation had been that Martin, after meeting coach Damien Hardwick late last week and previously being rejected by Greater Western Sydney, would return to the club and reach an agreement this week. But the Martin camp has continued to baulk at the Tigers' two-year offer of close to $1 million - an offer that could now prove heavily conditional, with performance and behavioural clauses.
Carr had indicated previously he had been obeying instructions in taking Martin to tour the Giants' facilities in Sydney's inner west, claiming the player had shown interest in living closer to his father and away from Melbourne's fishbowl football environment. He has also accused Richmond of suggesting Martin change managers.
No club has as yet made an offer to Martin, although his management has previously maintained he would achieve close to $600,000 annually should he place himself in the draft. ''They know our position,'' said Carr of the Tigers, adding he had no issue with Martin's behaviour on Brownlow night. ''I care about Dustin,'' said Carr. ''I thought it was fair enough after a long season that he had a drink.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-and-tigers-stuck-in-standoff-20130926-2uh18.html
Cya later Dustin. Been nice knowing ya as a Richmond player but its time to move on young man, you dont want to be one of us. See ya!
Where has he ever said he doesn't want to be one of us??
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After reading the article my thoughts are that Carr and Martin are quite prepared to risk going to the draft with a price on his head, betting someone somewhere will pay the $600k price.
I don't think Richmond are going to bite at that price and they've had a gutfull and are preparing to lose him without compensation if necessary.
The question then becomes whether it is worthwhile for any club to pay that amount of money in the draft. If the answer is "Yes" then they will have to pay a high draft pick to ensure they get him before others are tempted.
The next question is whether this club, prepared to pay his wage AND spend a high draft pick, will simply decide on the safer option of trading with Richmond.
If so, we stand a good chance of at least getting something for him which is where I can see Adams (either as direct trade or draft pick trade) coming into the picture.
IMO Martin has shown he doesn't care about the club or his team mates, only getting the most money in the easiest way possible. If that's his attitude then I don't want him at the club. I would rather Adams as he has already shown more character, resilience, team spirit and desire.
The only problem with this thinking is if no-one decides to pay the price in the National Draft. If that happens then I could see his price being dropped in the PSD where we would not have a decent pick to compete. Do the rules say that you must nominate the same price for BOTH the ND and PSD?
Whatever happens I'm over it.
I'm getting to the stage where I don't even care if we get nothing for him.
He's only one player and the club has, and will, survive worse.
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Totally agree, we wold be absolutely stupid to lose a top 3 pick for zero.
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It's all about perception ;D
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Martin and Tigers stuck in standoff
Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 27, 2013
The Dustin Martin saga has taken another twist with the 22-year-old sticking with his manager Ralph Carr and refusing to engage in contract talks alone with Richmond.
The Tigers are again envisaging a future without the troubled but talented young star, with Martin awaiting the arrival of his father, Shane, in Melbourne on Monday before making his next move.
And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
The Tigers continue to maintain that Martin is a required player but stand to lose him to the draft should a deal not be achieved.
Martin is understood to have instructed Richmond this week to deal with Carr after the player failed to attend a meeting with football boss Daniel Richardson and his offsider, Blair Hartley, at Punt Road on Monday.
Carr has indicated his frustration that club CEO Brendon Gale has not responded to his calls in the past and claimed Martin has been disappointed in Richmond's criticism of his management style.
Richmond and Carr have not been in contact this week, leaving the prospect of no deal being reached before Monday's Jack Dyer Medal count, in which Martin will poll well.
The expectation had been that Martin, after meeting coach Damien Hardwick late last week and previously being rejected by Greater Western Sydney, would return to the club and reach an agreement this week. But the Martin camp has continued to baulk at the Tigers' two-year offer of close to $1 million - an offer that could now prove heavily conditional, with performance and behavioural clauses.
Carr had indicated previously he had been obeying instructions in taking Martin to tour the Giants' facilities in Sydney's inner west, claiming the player had shown interest in living closer to his father and away from Melbourne's fishbowl football environment. He has also accused Richmond of suggesting Martin change managers.
No club has as yet made an offer to Martin, although his management has previously maintained he would achieve close to $600,000 annually should he place himself in the draft. ''They know our position,'' said Carr of the Tigers, adding he had no issue with Martin's behaviour on Brownlow night. ''I care about Dustin,'' said Carr. ''I thought it was fair enough after a long season that he had a drink.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-and-tigers-stuck-in-standoff-20130926-2uh18.html
I can imagine Ralph Carr thinking "Note to self....Before interview with Caro, confirm with Dustin what his actual playing number is and then Google who was the greatest player at Richmond to wear that number.....Man, I am the greatest player manager since Ricky Martin."
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Clutching?
If he insists on $600k the club can only stop him going to the draft or PSD by paying what he wants.
Luke Ball refused to re-sign with St Kilda, went to the draft and was picked by Collingwood.
There may be differences in WHY Ball left but he went to the draft as an uncontracted player.
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It's all about perception ;D
yes it is but this thread is terrific :lol
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It's all about perception ;D
yes it is but this thread is terrific :lol
Yep ;D
Some absolute gold on this one
Ditto the Matty White one and the other 90 odd page Dusty thread
:rollin
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Crap, absolute crap. The club need to hold their ground period otherwise we truly are finished.
If we get nothing for this silly individual then so be it. He DOES NOT dictate to our club. We are not going to be undermined by a fool.
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Crap, absolute crap. The club need to hold their ground period otherwise we truly are finished.
If we get nothing for this silly individual then so be it. He DOES NOT dictate to our club. We are not going to be undermined by a fool.
spot on brother. hellaujah brother. lets create the church of dimma and we can pray for our salvation. the salvation of the tiger army from stupidity and anomalous behaviours. salvation and logic. lets all pray to Pope Dimma the first. Pope Dimma the 1st makes the rules and any players who dont wanna be part of it can pee off. Thats all for today. Or at least for a few minutes whilst I just try and come up with something more stupider.
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If that is the case he probably has already signed.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Crap, absolute crap. The club need to hold their ground period otherwise we truly are finished.
If we get nothing for this silly individual then so be it. He DOES NOT dictate to our club. We are not going to be undermined by a fool.
spot on brother. hellaujah brother. lets create the church of dimma and we can pray for our salvation. the salvation of the tiger army from stupidity and anomalous behaviours. salvation and logic. lets all pray to Pope Dimma the first. Pope Dimma the 1st makes the rules and any players who dont wanna be part of it can pee off. Thats all for today. Or at least for a few minutes whilst I just try and come up with something more stupider.
Interesting comment ramps, I don't think you could get anything more non-sequitur than that, well done ;D
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Crap, absolute crap. The club need to hold their ground period otherwise we truly are finished.
If we get nothing for this silly individual then so be it. He DOES NOT dictate to our club. We are not going to be undermined by a fool.
Pity we didn't make this stand years ago with the crap, absolute crap players we did bow down to....Martin is a star and will be a champion for years to come, a fool you say, I don't think so. The club are the fools for taking a stand against a player that is one of the best we have had and will have....they should of done it years ago and this crap wouldn't be happening.
SIGN HIM UP $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.......pay him. ;D :gotigers
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
Tell Dusty we love him or hate him depending on whether he is staying or going!
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
Ramps, pull your head in and stop being a idiot :sleep
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
Ramps, pull your head in and stop being a idiot :sleep
just having a bit of fun thats all. its friday
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
I never took you as a sarcastic prick until some of the posts i have read in the past few days. Disapointing that a forum owner shows no respect for his posters and actually shows hidden contempt for them in his postings.
Why don't you just tell Dustin what YOU think and leave it at that. :cheers
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
I never took you as a sarcastic prick until some of the posts i have read in the past few days. Disapointing that a forum owner shows no respect for his posters and actually shows hidden contempt for them in his postings.
Why don't you just tell Dustin what YOU think and leave it at that. :cheers
dont take it so personally rodger. its a forum and some of us having been taking the pee over the last few days for a bit of fun. people shouldnt get so uptight about issues like this IMHO. :cheers
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
Let's hope Tony actual knows this is happening and isn't just basing his info on tweets posted on OER ;D.
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
I never took you as a sarcastic prick until some of the posts i have read in the past few days. Disapointing that a forum owner shows no respect for his posters and actually shows hidden contempt for them in his postings.
Why don't you just tell Dustin what YOU think and leave it at that. :cheers
dont take it so personally rodger. its a forum and some of us having been taking the pee over the last few days for a bit of fun. people shouldnt get so uptight about issues like this IMHO. :cheers
Not taking it personally ramps. Just calling it as i see it and it has been really poor form.
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
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New rumours saying he has signed at $1.9 million for 4 years......
I hope that that is correct as I don't want to be going through this again in 2 years! :rollin
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Trent was a guest speaker at a breakfast this morning and was asked about Martin. Trent's answer to this question was that he was catching up with Dustin today to talk some sense into him
I hope the talk went well :pray
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New rumours saying he has signed at $1.9 million for 4 years......
I hope that that is correct as I don't want to be going through this again in 2 years! :rollin
If true that would be very strange indeed, unless there were performance based bonuses on top of that.
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I never took you as a sarcastic prick until some of the posts i have read in the past few days. Disapointing that a forum owner shows no respect for his posters and actually shows hidden contempt for them in his postings.
Why don't you just tell Dustin what YOU think and leave it at that. :cheers
What are you on about?
Where have I been disrespectful or shown contempt?
Ever thought for a minute I'm like a lot of people just sick of the whole saga
Just having a bit of fun now because let's be honest there is much else we can do until this is sorted one way or the other
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Crap, absolute crap. The club need to hold their ground period otherwise we truly are finished.
If we get nothing for this silly individual then so be it. He DOES NOT dictate to our club. We are not going to be undermined by a fool.
Pity we didn't make this stand years ago with the crap, absolute crap players we did bow down to....Martin is a star and will be a champion for years to come, a fool you say, I don't think so. The club are the fools for taking a stand against a player that is one of the best we have had and will have....they should of done it years ago and this crap wouldn't be happening.
SIGN HIM UP $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.......pay him. ;D :gotigers
We paid overs in the first place when GWS were circling.
All Vlad's fault.
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nah, WAT is right. If a player is potentially good enough we should just bow to whatever demands they make. Let the players call the shots for sure. After all, that is what all the successful clubs do.
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Sheehan tweeted this about an hour after:
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
@CherylCritchley @Richmond_FC crisis if he doesn't put pen to paper
What a stuffing dope. That's no news at all.
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Never had to cop this with Ben Nason...
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Martin and Tigers stuck in standoff
Caroline Wilson
The Age
September 27, 2013
The Dustin Martin saga has taken another twist with the 22-year-old sticking with his manager Ralph Carr and refusing to engage in contract talks alone with Richmond.
The Tigers are again envisaging a future without the troubled but talented young star, with Martin awaiting the arrival of his father, Shane, in Melbourne on Monday before making his next move.
And Carr has lashed out at his critics, telling The Age: ''I stand by everything I have said and I stand by the way I have represented this kid. My business has been sullied and my reputation has been damaged. I care about Dustin. He's a terrific kid and I've been misrepresented. I'm not an advocate for players changing clubs and I've always hoped that Dustin would stay at Richmond. He wears Royce Hart's number for heaven's sake. I've told Dustin that, just as I told Travis Cloke that last year. Richmond knows our position and there needs to be some dialogue.''
The Tigers continue to maintain that Martin is a required player but stand to lose him to the draft should a deal not be achieved.
Martin is understood to have instructed Richmond this week to deal with Carr after the player failed to attend a meeting with football boss Daniel Richardson and his offsider, Blair Hartley, at Punt Road on Monday.
Carr has indicated his frustration that club CEO Brendon Gale has not responded to his calls in the past and claimed Martin has been disappointed in Richmond's criticism of his management style.
Richmond and Carr have not been in contact this week, leaving the prospect of no deal being reached before Monday's Jack Dyer Medal count, in which Martin will poll well.
The expectation had been that Martin, after meeting coach Damien Hardwick late last week and previously being rejected by Greater Western Sydney, would return to the club and reach an agreement this week. But the Martin camp has continued to baulk at the Tigers' two-year offer of close to $1 million - an offer that could now prove heavily conditional, with performance and behavioural clauses.
Carr had indicated previously he had been obeying instructions in taking Martin to tour the Giants' facilities in Sydney's inner west, claiming the player had shown interest in living closer to his father and away from Melbourne's fishbowl football environment. He has also accused Richmond of suggesting Martin change managers.
No club has as yet made an offer to Martin, although his management has previously maintained he would achieve close to $600,000 annually should he place himself in the draft. ''They know our position,'' said Carr of the Tigers, adding he had no issue with Martin's behaviour on Brownlow night. ''I care about Dustin,'' said Carr. ''I thought it was fair enough after a long season that he had a drink.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/martin-and-tigers-stuck-in-standoff-20130926-2uh18.html
Cya later Dustin. Been nice knowing ya as a Richmond player but its time to move on young man, you dont want to be one of us. See ya!
Where has he ever said he doesn't want to be one of us??
actions speak louder than words
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:lol
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I wonder what most of our employers would do if we used similar negotiating tactics?
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replace you with cheap, scab, foreign labor.
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Al do you think tiges should go down that path?
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I wonder what most of our employers would do if we used similar negotiating tactics?
promote hypotheticals on the internet ?
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
I never took you as a sarcastic prick until some of the posts i have read in the past few days. Disapointing that a forum owner shows no respect for his posters and actually shows hidden contempt for them in his postings.
Why don't you just tell Dustin what YOU think and leave it at that. :cheers
dont take it so personally rodger. its a forum and some of us having been taking the pee over the last few days for a bit of fun. people shouldnt get so uptight about issues like this IMHO. :cheers
Not taking it personally ramps. Just calling it as i see it and it has been really poor form.
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
ramps is a good poster let it go man
He is just saying what he thinks and to be honest I actually agree with him
At first I was like we need him the clubs at fault, now I'm neither here or there
Of course if he stays we would be happy and love him if he delivers us a flag, but lets be honest his attitude has been poor given what we have done for him
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Al do you think tiges should go down that path?
that did literally make me lol
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
I never took you as a sarcastic prick until some of the posts i have read in the past few days. Disapointing that a forum owner shows no respect for his posters and actually shows hidden contempt for them in his postings.
Why don't you just tell Dustin what YOU think and leave it at that. :cheers
Wtf r u on about dude, every other day I feel sorry for Willy and OER and MT having to put up with us silly Internet nuffers and the crap we post
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i still reckon hes as good as a gws player abd he goes to them in the psd. why pay anything when you dont have to.
i have a feeling there is bad blood between the clubs and if they can screw us over they will. what a good way to do it come out and publicly say we wont trade for him knowing you are going to pick him up in the psd.
they keep the good will of all the clubs and get there man for nothing
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i still reckon hes as good as a gws player abd he goes to them in the psd. why pay anything when you dont have to.
i have a feeling there is bad blood between the clubs and if they can screw us over they will. what a good way to do it come out and publicly say we wont trade for him knowing you are going to pick him up in the psd.
they keep the good will of all the clubs and get there man for nothing
Well Claw, you are wrong. Willing to wager what you want that he will stay with the Tiges. You can see from his demeanor that he is a real part of the Group and it would take a major breakdown in his relations with the staff or players to leave.
He will sign sometime soon IMO.
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:lol
when was last time a club straight out got any player. yet alone a high profile one, to go into the PSD without attempting to make a reasonable trade?
if that did happen, why would the league forgo their mediation process for such an event? (specialy considering vlads public comments on the saga)
where does this bad blood come from? giving us morris for nothing. Leon cameron being dirty he never played finals with us?
How does a club with a lot of victorian youngsters who will be ripe for the picking over the next few years foster good will by setting the precedent of royally screwing a victorian club to poach a player through the PSD?
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Sheehan tweeted this about an hour after:
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
@CherylCritchley @Richmond_FC crisis if he doesn't put pen to paper
What a stuffing dope. That's no news at all.
That was after chezza asked him what crisis?...don't manipulate things :shh
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Sheehan tweeted this about an hour after:
Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan
@CherylCritchley @Richmond_FC crisis if he doesn't put pen to paper
What a stuffing dope. That's no news at all.
That was after chezza asked him what crisis?...don't manipulate things :shh
What did I manipulate. That tweet is verbatim
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Chez said what crisis, he replied it would be if he didn't sign. ...it's called c o n t e x t :shh
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I like the high drama version better, more exciting
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This may not be finished folks
I'll bite. What do you mean?
Seriously I don't think it's over one way or another by a fair margin
Just nice to know the little stunt from yesterday has turned out the way it has ;D
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Ralph Carr is a very persuasive little cretin.
He also has Dusty in an old fashioned Martin St James hold.
Some more water to go under the bridge, lets hope the bridge isn't off the coast of Gwadar
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Oh Dusty, how could you?
by Cheryl Critchley
The Footy Almanac
September 27, 2013
When it emerged that Dustin Martin may leave his club, people thought Richmond fans would be devastated.
Still recovering from their club’s loss to Carlton in its first final for 12 years, surely the thought of losing our toughest midfielder would be too much to take?
And what about all those wide-eyed kids with number 4 on their back?
Not so fast.
Most Richmond fans were angry, but not at the fact they might lose a star player.
They were angry that Martin, who grew up in Castlemaine and didn’t finish high school, might reject those who had invested so much in him on and off the field.
They were also angry at his manager, Ralph Carr, for allowing such a mess to develop. When Martin and Carr said he was pursuing other options, many Richmond fans said “good riddance”.
How could someone who had been given a better chance in life by his football club threaten to walk out for the sake of a few bucks?
We all know about Dustin Martin’s off-field indiscretions and need for a steadying influence, particularly during his early days at Punt Rd.
No-one begrudged Martin his background and limited education. As long as he behaved and gave 100 per cent on the field he’d be accepted. And he was.
Now 22, Martin debuted in 2010. He has shown flashes of brilliance and until recently professed his loyalty to the Tigers, building a strong following of youngsters who idolise his silky skills.
Richmond fans embraced “Dusty” and his prodigious talent, which has yet to reach its full potential. This year he played some fantastic footy but faded occasionally when it mattered.
The Carlton elimination final was a case in point. After a brilliant first half, Martin went missing as Chris Judd led the Blues to a comeback victory.
He still has the potential to do anything with Richmond, but sadly we may not see that now.
Despite the club doing everything it could to help him, he may still leave. The most recent reports say the stand-off is continuing despite a number of clubs pulling out of the race.
This is frustrating for everyone and not doing Martin any good. What people need to realise is just how much Richmond has invested in this young man as an individual.
Early on the club was worried enough about his behaviour to have Martin board with club president Gary March and his family for two years.
This was a stabilising influence but didn’t stop him transgressing, particularly after he moved out.
Concerns were raised about his friendship group, late-night sightings and a lack of remorse after being disciplined. Rumours abounded; if a fraction were true it was not good.
Martin was last year discouraged from socialising with former teammate Dan Connors, who was sacked after the pair took sleeping pills and slept through a training session.
Then there were reports that Martin needed an off-field minder and captain Trent Cotchin has also mentored him.
This didn’t stop his friendship with Connors, whose twitter response to fans critical of Martin’s actions proved the club was right to sack him:
“Bunch of Richmond flogs let the kid live spare me with ya pathetic tweets! To the few gooodies out there I apologize in advance! #please”
Chris Riches spoke for many when he retorted: “Oh Dan. You should probably keep your thoughts to yourself considering the chances you were given (& wasted) by the club/fans you criticise.”
When Martin lifted his arms into a cross as a sign to mates in jail during the elimination final, he also lost my husband. “He can pee off,” Brian said. “He did nothing after that.”
This appears to be the sentiment of many Richmond supporters if “Dusty” decides to go.
We know loyalty in footy is all but dead. Footy careers are short and the likes of Dustin Martin and Lance Franklin, who may have limited post-footy earnings, need to look after themselves.
But this case is different. Richmond went to extraordinary lengths to nurture Martin and possibly prevented his career ending before it started. This must count for something.
Despite the messy situation that has developed, many Tiger fans like me still want “Dusty” to stay. We’ve also invested in him emotionally and want him to succeed in footy and life.
Martin has also clearly tried to improve his behaviour in recent years. No-one is perfect and he deserves credit for trying.
If he wants to leave his Richmond support network and try his luck elsewhere, then good luck to him. The club is bigger than the individual and Richmond and its fans will move on.
But we would love you to stay Dusty. Some of us are angry but we’ll get over it if you choose to stay with a group of players that could really take us somewhere.
At the end of the day I’m with Justin Flynn, who tweeted on the Tigers’ stance: “For three decades the club has let its players make the rules. That all ended today. Bravo @Richmond_FC.”
Cheryl Critchley is a Richmond member and is on twitter @CherylCritchley.
http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/oh-dusty-how-could-you/
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The Undertaker on BF:
More info - take this for some nice chatter and nothing more if you wish. If I'm shot down I'll stop posting poo because everyone's shot down for posting on this forum.
Feather in my cap - Reece Conca signing, announced it the night before, with the specific contract conditions + Lep leaving and signing with BL. Broke the news 3 days before it happened. So I won't respond to anyone who questions my sources, it's been made a mockery, but wait and see if I'm right before you judge!
26/9 - Heard Lep was on the phone all day speaking with Longer, Yeo, Karnezis and Docherty trying to convince them to stay.
That's Brisbane's main objective.
However, plan b has been locked into place. Tigers and Lions have agreed in principle to work closely together and trade with each other with regards to Longer/Yeo/Docherty/Karnezis/DUSTINMARTIN.
Martin was meant to meet with Richardson/Hartley on Monday but didn't want too because he wanted his dad and Carr there. This is why I find these new murmurs about a deal being signed today iffy, because Martin's dad is coming to Melb on Monday from my knowledge.
From Richmond's perspective. They don't want to lose Martin for nothing and gaining Longer is high on Richmond's priority list if Martin was to go. Again, Richmond's main objective is to keep Martin.
Lions + Tigers will deal with each other if these cases go unresolved.
27/9 - Heard from four sources Martin's signed and will be announced on Monday at the B&F. Richmond gave not given Martin a deadline but Martin was keen to sign. Carr and Richmond werent speaking as of yesterday but source said Carr contacted Richmond today. I speculate Carr wants to stop the bleeding this is doing to his professional career especially with the story the Herald Sun ran with yesterday about the charity boasting Carr's been doing.
Overall - We find out Monday.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dustin-martin-contract-discussion-part-2.1034088/page-26#post-30346890
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Dimma, believes he will stay!! :cheers
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Q from panel: Will dusty stay? Dimma: yeah I think so, definitely.
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What panels that?
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Ch 10's Before The Game, CUB. Dimma added that they're "just working through a few things" regarding Dusty's new deal. He sounded pretty confident about Dusty staying.
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What panels that?
Before the Game on Ch10
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Thanks, wp. I couldn't recall who asked the question but sounds very positive all the same.
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Ok was watching the bunnies coming down with a bad case of myxomatosis, stuffn manly
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Tony Sheahan @TonySheahan 8m
Wayward @Richmond_FC star Dustin Martin expected to announce new contract with Tigers' Monday night @ club's b&f awards. Crisis averted
what a magnificent player we have on our hands ;D
:rollin
Now I am attneding the B&F please let me know if you good folk want me to pass on your own personal best wishes or a collective message from OER ;D
Flick him in the dick
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Your clutching Redan.
No one is that stupid to risk letting him go into the PSD for nothing.
If, and i say big if, we do that well the club are finished and all should hand in their resignation
Crap, absolute crap. The club need to hold their ground period otherwise we truly are finished.
If we get nothing for this silly individual then so be it. He DOES NOT dictate to our club. We are not going to be undermined by a fool.
Pity we didn't make this stand years ago with the crap, absolute crap players we did bow down to....Martin is a star and will be a champion for years to come, a fool you say, I don't think so. The club are the fools for taking a stand against a player that is one of the best we have had and will have....they should of done it years ago and this crap wouldn't be happening.
SIGN HIM UP $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.......pay him. ;D :gotigers
You think if we started earlier it'd influence him at all? We'd still be here arguing whether we started last week or 10 years ago
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Roadkill-Carr is going to try and shop The Dusty Maori to Sony in Sydney next week.
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Ok was watching the bunnies coming down with a bad case of myxomatosis, stuffn manly
Don't you mean $h1tmatosis,, was sensational
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This type of nonsense never happened with Stuart Wigney. >:(
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I like the high drama version better, more exciting
:lol
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Not only is it looking likely that he will go but its looking more and more likely that he will go for nothing. :banghead Sounds like Dusty, rightly or wrongly, is bitter and angry now and willing to stick it up the Tigers by going into the draft and earning less if need be just to make a point. Stupid. Hopefully this is an education to all players and managers at the club at the very least.
I'm back to thinking that we should actively seek a trade so we can at least get something for him. His baggage seems to be just growing and he seems to have no appreciation of the support he has received from the club or the fact he has ongoing issues. I'm starting to increasingly believe that he is under the illusion that all the problems lie with Richmond and he is the victim here. :o
Even if he stays, this doesn't bode well for his future attitude and performance regardless :help
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nah, WAT is right. If a player is potentially good enough we should just bow to whatever demands they make. Let the players call the shots for sure. After all, that is what all the successful clubs do.
"Potentially" are you for real, his Brownlow votes this year have completely dispelled your comments as complete crap.....yet gain. He is a match winner and a star, we don't have many of them do we?
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nah, WAT is right. If a player is potentially good enough we should just bow to whatever demands they make. Let the players call the shots for sure. After all, that is what all the successful clubs do.
"Potentially" are you for real, his Brownlow votes this year have completely dispelled your comments as complete crap.....yet gain. He is a match winner and a star, we don't have many of them do we?
Tell me again when he put 4 quarters together and won us a game? I must of missed that one
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nah, WAT is right. If a player is potentially good enough we should just bow to whatever demands they make. Let the players call the shots for sure. After all, that is what all the successful clubs do.
"Potentially" are you for real, his Brownlow votes this year have completely dispelled your comments as complete crap.....yet gain. He is a match winner and a star, we don't have many of them do we?
Tell me again when he put 4 quarters together and won us a game? I must of missed that one
In all fairness you cant question his output, stands up and performs in big games more than anyone on our list imo. But all that aside, you don't just bend over with no lube and say fire away. The way some posters are carrying on abt sign him up at whatever cost is ridiculous
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Not only is it looking likely that he will go but its looking more and more likely that he will go for nothing. :banghead Sounds like Dusty, rightly or wrongly, is bitter and angry now and willing to stick it up the Tigers by going into the draft and earning less if need be just to make a point. Stupid. Hopefully this is an education to all players and managers at the club at the very least.
I'm back to thinking that we should actively seek a trade so we can at least get something for him. His baggage seems to be just growing and he seems to have no appreciation of the support he has received from the club or the fact he has ongoing issues. I'm starting to increasingly believe that he is under the illusion that all the problems lie with Richmond and he is the victim here. :o
Even if he stays, this doesn't bode well for his future attitude and performance regardless :help
This would just be worst worst case scenario and would add to the pain of technically another failed pick. He needs to be careful, he could go into the draft and be sent to Adelaide or West Coast. Or even worse, unlikely, but what if no1 picked him up. If he put 600k on his head, not many clubs could afford him or want him? Its a huge risk.
Personally can see him being traded to Brisbane for their first pick and Polec.
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Personally I think he's worth 600k. In terms of football output and his potential.
He's no injury prone, he's 22 and has 8 years of genuine football in him, he wins games of his own boot, kicks goals and polls Brownlow votes. He's the full package.
However I think the club have seen the fact that we employ Mark Williams to mentor him and put (x) amount of hours into Dustin to keep him out of the papers and the clink that his value is 75-100k less due to the amount of money we put in to prevent a catastrophe.
As long as we don't lose him for nothing I don't really care what happens.
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Isn't Ralphy a Carltoon's supporter
Former Blues board member.
What a stuffing joke this bloke is.
I don't blame the club for not wanting to deal with this cock sucker, shouldn't even be allowed into the RFC. that lying cheating scumbag Carltank idiot.
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nah, WAT is right. If a player is potentially good enough we should just bow to whatever demands they make. Let the players call the shots for sure. After all, that is what all the successful clubs do.
"Potentially" are you for real, his Brownlow votes this year have completely dispelled your comments as complete crap.....yet gain. He is a match winner and a star, we don't have many of them do we?
Tell me again when he put 4 quarters together and won us a game? I must of missed that one
Your kidding me.. :huh
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nah, WAT is right. If a player is potentially good enough we should just bow to whatever demands they make. Let the players call the shots for sure. After all, that is what all the successful clubs do.
"Potentially" are you for real, his Brownlow votes this year have completely dispelled your comments as complete crap.....yet gain. He is a match winner and a star, we don't have many of them do we?
Sorry WA but can you tell me when he actually won a game for us coz I cant recall him doing that. He is not a star either. A star plays well for 4 quarters and he does it for the entire season. Dustin Martin is no star at this stage IMHO.
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-was our best vs Sydney in Sydney,
-Our best vs Freo here when we won the game, and in our bests when we lost to them by a point.
-in our bests vs hawks,
-best vs GC when we broke our duck,
-In our bests against the eagles over there,
-our best vs Adelaide here
-kicked 1.4 in dreamtime but wasn't alone in being disappointing that night, but at least he was trying to make it happen unlike our other stars
-was our best along with Lids vs Port in Adelaide
-Plenty of other games he was in our bests too.
I don't like whats happening with his contract renogotiations but cant stand the bourdes that hes not a matchwinner or gamebreaker or in our best 3-4. He is a gun and easily in our best 4 already which is extraordinary given his still subpar motor. If he develops a tank will be anything.
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Dusty the footballer is a gem and at 22 he should only get better,however at some point if the stories are right his poor lifestyle will probably derail this
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-was our best vs Sydney in Sydney,
-Our best vs Freo here when we won the game, and in our bests when we lost to them by a point.
-in our bests vs hawks,
-best vs GC when we broke our duck,
-In our bests against the eagles over there,
-our best vs Adelaide here
-kicked 1.4 in dreamtime but wasn't alone in being disappointing that night, but at least he was trying to make it happen unlike our other stars
-was our best along with Lids vs Port in Adelaide
-Plenty of other games he was in our bests too.
I don't like whats happening with his contract renogotiations but cant stand the bourdes that hes not a matchwinner or gamebreaker or in our best 3-4. He is a gun and easily in our best 4 already which is extraordinary given his still subpar motor. If he develops a tank will be anything.
That game against Freo in particular. How many times he drifted back and cut their forward passage off is what gave us the momentum to win...
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-was our best vs Sydney in Sydney,
-Our best vs Freo here when we won the game, and in our bests when we lost to them by a point.
-in our bests vs hawks,
-best vs GC when we broke our duck,
-In our bests against the eagles over there,
-our best vs Adelaide here
-kicked 1.4 in dreamtime but wasn't alone in being disappointing that night, but at least he was trying to make it happen unlike our other stars
-was our best along with Lids vs Port in Adelaide
-Plenty of other games he was in our bests too.
I don't like whats happening with his contract renogotiations but cant stand the bourdes that hes not a matchwinner or gamebreaker or in our best 3-4. He is a gun and easily in our best 4 already which is extraordinary given his still subpar motor. If he develops a tank will be anything.
He is all that, but I still maintain he rarely if ever plays 4 full quarters.
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We never had this problem with Andrew Browne. >:(
:lol
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Never had to cop this with Ben Nason...
Mini-me loved Nason
Love your work Ox
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Personally I think he's worth 600k. In terms of football output and his potential.
He's no injury prone, he's 22 and has 8 years of genuine football in him, he wins games of his own boot, kicks goals and polls Brownlow votes. He's the full package.
However I think the club have seen the fact that we employ Mark Williams to mentor him and put (x) amount of hours into Dustin to keep him out of the papers and the clink that his value is 75-100k less due to the amount of money we put in to prevent a catastrophe.
As long as we don't lose him for nothing I don't really care what happens.
I agree he can win off his own boot providing he can kick straight??????
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Nobody plays four quarters
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Not only is it looking likely that he will go but its looking more and more likely that he will go for nothing. :banghead Sounds like Dusty, rightly or wrongly, is bitter and angry now and willing to stick it up the Tigers by going into the draft and earning less if need be just to make a point. Stupid. Hopefully this is an education to all players and managers at the club at the very least.
Sorry Stripes but have I missed something here? Why is it looking likely he will go? Because of Caro's article?
I am not sure right now what any of it means but I don't think this article means much more than Carr having a sook. just like I don't think Tony Sheahan's Tweet from last night means much. The media all seem to want to claim they know what's going on when truth is none of them are really sure
Seems to me things are like they have been for the last week since the Club pulled its offer and Carr said they were going to field offers and that is a holding pattern.
Would think the clearest indication we got last night was from Dimma. And if anyone has an inkling then you'd hope it would the coach
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As l stated previously ;D Its a stand against the club trying to run his life outside of football
CARLTON >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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As l stated previously ;D Its a stand against the club trying to run his life outside of football
CARLTON >>>>>>>>>>>>>
No F ing room at Carlton****** pal!!!!!!
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Brisbane decide not to pursue Martin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393)
Incredible that not one single club is interested. Are all the clubs in cahoots for the greater longterm good to drive Carr out of the industry before he makes it a nightmare like this and the cloke saga last year? Or is Marti really that stuffed up off field that NO ONE will touch him with a barge pole. We're talking about one of the elite young talents of the comp. Staggering
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just to put things into perspective.
He hasn't won a brownlow yet!
Clubs want to have seen a little more than Martin has shown
if they're gonna offer freak coinage.
Much prefer to watch the merry go round come to a stop
and reality kick in
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Brisbane decide not to pursue Martin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393)
Incredible that not one single club is interested. Are all the clubs in cahoots for the greater longterm good to drive Carr out of the industry before he makes it a nightmare like this and the cloke saga last year? Or is Marti really that stuffed up off field that NO ONE will touch him with a barge pole. We're talking about one of the elite young talents of the comp. Staggering
Or it could be that Brisbane found out Dusty has re-signed with Richmond and so have bailed from chasing him.
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Brisbane decide not to pursue Martin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393)
Incredible that not one single club is interested. Are all the clubs in cahoots for the greater longterm good to drive Carr out of the industry before he makes it a nightmare like this and the cloke saga last year? Or is Marti really that stuffed up off field that NO ONE will touch him with a barge pole. We're talking about one of the elite young talents of the comp. Staggering
Or it could be that Brisbane found out Dusty has re-signed with Richmond and so have bailed from chasing him.
:clapping hope so
This whole process has been about manager trying to get maximum value for his client though hasn't it? I've never really believed that dusty was unhappy at punt road or disliked the playing group. It has always been reported quite the opposite prior to this fiasco.
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hope so too
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As l stated previously ;D Its a stand against the club trying to run his life outside of football
CARLTON >>>>>>>>>>>>>
No F ing room at Carlton****** pal!!!!!!
every club has room to buy players. That's why they delist players. Why players take salary cuts to make room. Don't you know nothing about professional football. Clubs have not finished chopping players yet. Martin is just bleeding the club. Him & Conners will be laughing at us if he signs with another club. l hope the club stands firm cause martin aint worth his asking price.
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DUSTIN Martin appears almost certain to remain at Richmond, after his last remaining suitor, the Brisbane Lions, officially withdrew their interest on Sunday.
A Lions statement on Sunday morning said the club had contacted Martin's manager Ralph Carr late last week to tell him it was not interested in trading for the midfielder.
"After evaluating our list and discussions with our general manager of football operations, Dean Warren, and senior coach, Justin Leppitsch, we have decided not to pursue Dustin in the upcoming trade period," Lions national talent manager Rob Kerr said in the statement.
"We wish Dustin all the best in his career but at this point in time our key focus is on retaining the club's young talent, and we're working hard to try and achieve this."
The Lions follow Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney in declaring they will not pursue the talented 22-year-old, whose off-field behavior is seen as an issue.
In mid-September, Richmond sensationally announced that Martin would be pursuing offers from other clubs, after failing to reach agreement on a new contract despite months of negotiations.
But, with no other club declaring interest, the former No.3 draft pick's only option may be to re-sign at Punt Road, possibly on a lesser deal than that originally offered.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-29/lions-dont-want-dusty
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Brisbane decide not to pursue Martin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-withdraws-from-race-to-sign-richmond-star-dustin-marti/story-fni5f4q3-1226729202393)
Incredible that not one single club is interested. Are all the clubs in cahoots for the greater longterm good to drive Carr out of the industry before he makes it a nightmare like this and the cloke saga last year? Or is Marti really that stuffed up off field that NO ONE will touch him with a barge pole. We're talking about one of the elite young talents of the comp. Staggering
That is a fairly good call and if true, would be difficult for this knob to survive in AFL player management.
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
"So, Richmond is only club who wants Dusty, as we thought all along. What a shemozzle. Club's faith in a high maintenance player tested."
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If the media thought that all along then why weren't they reporting it all along! :huh3
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No one wants him coz hes not worth what he thinks hes worth. At best hes a $400,000 per year player and thats at the top of the range. The club should offer him $325,000 per year for 3 years.
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
"So, Richmond is only club who wants Dusty, as we thought all along. What a shemozzle. Club's faith in a high maintenance player tested."
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If the media thought that all along then why weren't they reporting it all along! :huh3
:clapping
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No one wants him coz hes not worth what he thinks hes worth. At best hes a $400,000 per year player and thats at the top of the range. The club should offer him $325,000 per year for 3 years.
supply and demand Ramps and clearly there is no demand.
so id go 400k with incentives to earn over 450k and beyond. Give him a target to reach.
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its pretty simple daniel youre correct no one wants him and it seems to me he doesnt want us so he has a problem. personally if they gave him the arse I wouldnt be much bothered. plenty of players have come and gone and the RFC is still here. he will just be replaced by a kid who wants an opportunity to be a Richmond player.
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show claiming Dusty will have to stay at Richmond for 80k less than he is getting now. The only club that wants him is the club he is already at - Richmond.
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il be honest i was of the opposite view at the beginning, but now im not fussed as long as we pick up an Adams type compensation.
Something is amiss if no club wants you yet you are still dragging this saga out. He may well sign Monday but we need everyone on the same page or we wont get much higher than lower reaches of the 8.
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Strong rumour that Ralph Carr has upped the ante on Dusty......
He will be standing under Flinders St clocks with the sign "Will drop pants for food" draped around his neck
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show claiming Dusty will have to stay at Richmond for 80k less than he is getting now. The only club that wants him is the club he is already at - Richmond.
as if that would be the case, so lets say he s on 450, we are offering him like 370, yeah right ::)
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Barrett on the Sunday Footy Show claiming Dusty will have to stay at Richmond for 80k less than he is getting now. The only club that wants him is the club he is already at - Richmond.
as if that would be the case, so lets say he s on 450, we are offering him like 370, yeah right ::)
Agree, someone has leaked a rumour to Parrot as a gag and he's run with it. Lol
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This saga needs to end. They need to start talking again-straight away. The longer it goes on the more chance the relationship between player and club will never repair. If we are to have a shot at the finals next year we need Martin.
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This saga needs to end. They need to start talking again-straight away. The longer it goes on the more chance the relationship between player and club will never repair. If we are to have a shot at the finals next year we need Martin.
the relationship already seems broken to me.
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As l stated previously ;D Its a stand against the club trying to run his life outside of football
CARLTON >>>>>>>>>>>>>
No F ing room at Carlton****** pal!!!!!!
every club has room to buy players. That's why they delist players. Why players take salary cuts to make room. Don't you know nothing about professional football. Clubs have not finished chopping players yet. Martin is just bleeding the club. Him & Conners will be laughing at us if he signs with another club. l hope the club stands firm cause martin aint worth his asking price.
Monk you seem to contradicting yourself :-\
One post you say the problem is the supposed behavioural clauses the RFC want to put in his contract
The next you say it's about his asking price
They are 2 very different thing IMVHO
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This whole process has been about manager trying to get maximum value for his client though hasn't it? I've never really believed that dusty was unhappy at punt road or disliked the playing group. It has always been reported quite the opposite prior to this fiasco.
Correct, this whole thing has been about what Carr has told his client and by extension his clients family he can get $$ wise, hence why I used the analogy months ago about promising a Maserati when all he could deliver was a BMW (rather than talking actually $$)
I dont why in the last 72 hours people are suddenly saying Dusty doesn't want to be at Richmond or why the relationship is supposedly broken.
I seriously don't see anything being different than what it was a fortnight ago when Carr pulled his latest stunt which he's followed up with a sook in the media on Thursday night with Caro
End of the day what happens, happens ;D
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As l stated previously ;D Its a stand against the club trying to run his life outside of football
CARLTON >>>>>>>>>>>>>
No F ing room at Carlton****** pal!!!!!!
every club has room to buy players. That's why they delist players. Why players take salary cuts to make room. Don't you know nothing about professional football. Clubs have not finished chopping players yet. Martin is just bleeding the club. Him & Conners will be laughing at us if he signs with another club. l hope the club stands firm cause martin aint worth his asking price.
Monk you seem to contradicting yourself :-\
One post you say the problem is the supposed behavioural clauses the RFC want to put in his contract
The next you say it's about his asking price
They are 2 very different thing IMVHO
No l don't know what is in his contract or what anyone wants to put in his contract. Just know he does not like the club controlling his life from what l have heard. None of them like to be controlled outside of work. Heard it so many times from current players & retired players & not just at RFC but other clubs. Everyone knows he wants more money or their would be no issue so l don't know what your getting at contradicting myself. It common that any players management to get more than what the players are worth so the manager gets a bigger cut. Why don't you ask him yourself at the B&F what his problem is. We will all know next week.
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I reckon bravo to RFC for protecting Dusty .I think RFC learned a lot from the Cuzz days ,and the football world is right we are probably the best fit for Dusty right now
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Jay Clark @ClarkyHeraldSun twitter:
"So, Richmond is only club who wants Dusty, as we thought all along. What a shemozzle. Club's faith in a high maintenance player tested."
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If the media thought that all along then why weren't they reporting it all along! :huh3
Yep, thought the headlines were "Martin quits Richmond" not "Martin shopping around but will stay at Richmond"
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its pretty simple daniel youre correct no one wants him and it seems to me he doesnt want us so he has a problem. personally if they gave him the arse I wouldnt be much bothered. plenty of players have come and gone and the RFC is still here. he will just be replaced by a kid who wants an opportunity to be a Richmond player.
I haven't seen Dusty or - to be fair - his manager claim that he doesn't want to be at the Tigers.
He just wants a lot of money, which he isn't getting!
I wouldn't humiliate him by cutting his contract back severely, sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just pay him what you said he was worth the whole way, include the behavioural and performance incentives you wanted the entire time of the negotiation and hold the line.
If he plays to potential, he's worth every cent of the $500k, if not then it will be worth the sliding scale down.
The club doesn't just win this negotiation but also sends a clear message to the entire playing list and player managers that we know our pooh.
Much respect to the club, showed balls and done it very well IMO.
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its pretty simple daniel youre correct no one wants him and it seems to me he doesnt want us so he has a problem. personally if they gave him the arse I wouldnt be much bothered. plenty of players have come and gone and the RFC is still here. he will just be replaced by a kid who wants an opportunity to be a Richmond player.
I haven't seen Dusty or - to be fair - his manager claim that he doesn't want to be at the Tigers.
He just wants a lot of money, which he isn't getting!
I wouldn't humiliate him by cutting his contract back severely, sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just pay him what you said he was worth the whole way, include the behavioural and performance incentives you wanted the entire time of the negotiation and hold the line.
If he plays to potential, he's worth every cent of the $500k, if not then it will be worth the sliding scale down.
The club doesn't just win this negotiation but also sends a clear message to the entire playing list and player managers that we know our pooh.
Much respect to the club, showed balls and done it very well IMO.
Agree completely. Give him 500, that sits fine with me, especially if his season to season form continues along the same trend. Barrett has genuinely lost it, claiming we're offering 380.
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No l don't know what is in his contract or what anyone wants to put in his contract. Just know he does not like the club controlling his life from what l have heard. None of them like to be controlled outside of work. Heard it so many times from current players & retired players & not just at RFC but other clubs. Everyone knows he wants more money or their would be no issue so l don't know what your getting at contradicting myself. It common that any players management to get more than what the players are worth so the manager gets a bigger cut. Why don't you ask him yourself at the B&F what his problem is. We will all know next week.
Fair enough
And I will be having a chat to the young man tomorrow ;D and his old man too ;D
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Barrett is out of control. :rollin
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WP............when you do chat with dusty and dad choose your words wisely ,we want you back here with a full report ;D
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Well you have a good night at the B&F & lets hope the young fella don't go to that scum team Carlton. :thumbsup
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WP............when you do chat with dusty and dad choose your words wisely ,we want you back here with a full report ;D
:rollin
Met his dad earlier this year all will be good ;D
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From Barrett's sliding doors article ...
IF .......... Dusty actually ever gets his entire life in order ...
THEN ...... he could win a Brownlow.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-28/sliding-doors-round-17
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WP..if you get a chance tomorrow evening see if you can settle the presidential row...
if they don't settle it nicely threaten them with an evening of reading all of claws posts
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WP - let me correct myself. What I am trying to say is that I believe Dusty feel's bitter towards the club at present. I worry that his attitude is too egocentric and he doesn't value the club has done for him as much as he should. I get the impression that he feels the club is being too protective, too interfering and over-reacting to his lifestyle. I worry about his maturity and wisdom. I don't think this 'lesson' in humility that the club has tried to hand out has been heeded. I think he will return to the club but I wonder if it is really the best thing for Richmond if he is just a ticking time bomb that will never realize his potential because of his attitude and lifestyle.
My loyalty is to Richmond first and Dusty second. If Dusty can start to grow up and realize the opportunity that the club is supporting him to grasp then I will become his number one fan but I have seen too many teams/cultures ripped to shredded on the back of individuals.
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I think by tomorrow night this issue will be settled one way or another and we'll know whether he's at the B&F or the Rhianna concert.
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From Barrett's sliding doors article ...
IF .......... Dusty actually ever gets his entire life in order ...
THEN ...... he could win a Brownlow.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-28/sliding-doors-round-17
Wayne Ker!!!!!!
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I think by tomorrow night this issue will be settled one way or another and we'll know whether he's at the B&F or the Rhianna concert.
If nothing else it will tell us his mindset. I think he'll be at the B&F.....................begrudgingly :-\
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DUSTIN Martin appears almost certain to remain at Richmond, after his last remaining suitor, the Brisbane Lions, officially withdrew their interest on Sunday.
A Lions statement on Sunday morning said the club had contacted Martin's manager Ralph Carr late last week to tell him it was not interested in trading for the midfielder.
"After evaluating our list and discussions with our general manager of football operations, Dean Warren, and senior coach, Justin Leppitsch, we have decided not to pursue Dustin in the upcoming trade period," Lions national talent manager Rob Kerr said in the statement.
"We wish Dustin all the best in his career but at this point in time our key focus is on retaining the club's young talent, and we're working hard to try and achieve this."
The Lions follow Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney in declaring they will not pursue the talented 22-year-old, whose off-field behavior is seen as an issue.
In mid-September, Richmond sensationally announced that Martin would be pursuing offers from other clubs, after failing to reach agreement on a new contract despite months of negotiations.
But, with no other club declaring interest, the former No.3 draft pick's only option may be to re-sign at Punt Road, possibly on a lesser deal than that originally offered.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-29/lions-dont-want-dusty
You have to wonder how bad his off field indiscretions really are. Leppitsch knows Dusty and would have been in the know on his past indiscretions and what Richmond did to clean them up and hide them. If Leppitsch really wanted him he could have traded something from Brisbane, a Longer or a Karnetzsis and maybe a draft pick or two and I don't think there would be any hard feelings with Hardwick or the Richmond FC, if the trade was fair.
It would have been particularly easy as Brisbane have 3 or 4 players who want out anyway.
People have mentioned late nights, girls and "alleged" drugs, who knows what the truth is.
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DUSTIN Martin appears almost certain to remain at Richmond, after his last remaining suitor, the Brisbane Lions, officially withdrew their interest on Sunday.
A Lions statement on Sunday morning said the club had contacted Martin's manager Ralph Carr late last week to tell him it was not interested in trading for the midfielder.
"After evaluating our list and discussions with our general manager of football operations, Dean Warren, and senior coach, Justin Leppitsch, we have decided not to pursue Dustin in the upcoming trade period," Lions national talent manager Rob Kerr said in the statement.
"We wish Dustin all the best in his career but at this point in time our key focus is on retaining the club's young talent, and we're working hard to try and achieve this."
The Lions follow Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney in declaring they will not pursue the talented 22-year-old, whose off-field behavior is seen as an issue.
In mid-September, Richmond sensationally announced that Martin would be pursuing offers from other clubs, after failing to reach agreement on a new contract despite months of negotiations.
But, with no other club declaring interest, the former No.3 draft pick's only option may be to re-sign at Punt Road, possibly on a lesser deal than that originally offered.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-29/lions-dont-want-dusty
You have to wonder how bad his off field indiscretions really are. Leppitsch knows Dusty and would have been in the know on his past indiscretions and what Richmond did to clean them up and hide them. If Leppitsch really wanted him he could have traded something from Brisbane, a Longer or a Karnetzsis and maybe a draft pick or two and I don't think there would be any hard feelings with Hardwick or the Richmond FC, if the trade was fair.
It would have been particularly easy as Brisbane have 3 or 4 players who want out anyway.
People have mentioned late nights, girls and "alleged" drugs, who knows what the truth is.
If this is the case then the process of shopping around for a better deal is nothing more than career suicide. Why put yourself under the spotlight and additional scrutiny when its not in your best interest to do so. Even Carr would know you don't damage your own investment so it just doesn't add up. In Brisbane's case I believe its more that Leppitsch understands Dusty and realises taking him on wouldn't be in Dusty's best interests.
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Well I heard he and Connors were .... the night before they missed training.
Really hope its not true but given the reaction from RFC toward Connors the day after you have to wonder if there was something more to it. Hopefully all behind him now.
Edit: Unproven hearsay/rumours of that nature puts the site at legal risk. Unless it's reported in the media, it should be left off the forum.
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Richmond star Dustin Martin will attend the club's best and fairest despite remaining unsigned
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
September 30, 2013
DUSTIN Martin will front up at tonight's Jack Dyer Medal at Crown Ca-sino despite his manager's unwillingness to restart contract negotiations.
The Tigers seem the last club standing after Brisbane officially withdrew from their initial contract discussions with the 22-year-old yesterday.
It means only a shock backflip from a Melbourne club that has already denied interest in Martin will give manager Ralph Carr leverage in talks with Richmond.
Martin has refused to deal individually with Richmond in meetings without Carr, despite the hopes of some senior Tigers he might eventually part company with the rock star manager.
That means the Tigers are in Carr’s hands, despite being prepared to offer him a contract that could ultimately reap Martin $1 million over two years.
Martin seemed comfortable sitting on the same Richmond table as his teammates as the Brownlow Medal and he will return to that venue tonight.
Martin should poll extremely well and is expected to finish top-three after polling 16 Brownlow Medal votes, behind only skipper Trent Cotchin.
Brisbane has joined Greater Western Sydney in pulling out of the race for Martin, saying they had advised Carr late last week.
“After evaluating or list and discussions with our general manager Football operations, Dean Warren, and senior coach, Justin Leppitsch, we have decided not to pursue Dustin in the upcoming trade period,” list manager Rob Kerr said.
“We wish Dustin all the best in his career but at this point in time our key focus is on retaining the Club’s young talent, and we’re working hard to try and achieve this.”
Tigers captain Cotchin said last week the Tigers would welcome back Martin with open arms if he re-signed.
‘’He’s definitely a very important part of our future and he’s a very talented player,” Cotchin told the Herald Sun.
“I obviously saw him on Brownlow night, I speak to him probably every second day.
“As it’s been mentioned a number of times, it’s probably one of those things where it’s up to the player, his management and the club to work through. Until that happens that’s about as much as I know about it.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-star-dustin-martin-will-attend-the-clubs-best-and-fairest-despite-remaining-unsigned/story-fndv8t7m-1226729526421#mm-breached
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It would be a travesty if this thread didn't make it to 100 pages. Lets hope someone somewhere has a photo of Ralph Carr lifting a bat towards a dressing room
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I think by tomorrow night this issue will be settled one way or another and we'll know whether he's at the B&F or the Rhianna concert.
If nothing else it will tell us his mindset. I think he'll be at the B&F.....................begrudgingly :-\
He will be there as reported by Jon Ralph and it is anything but "begrudgingly"
He flicked the Rhianna concert tickets weeks ago ;D
WP - let me correct myself. What I am trying to say is that I believe Dusty feel's bitter towards the club at present. I worry that his attitude is too egocentric and he doesn't value the club has done for him as much as he should. I get the impression that he feels the club is being too protective, too interfering and over-reacting to his lifestyle. I worry about his maturity and wisdom. I don't think this 'lesson' in humility that the club has tried to hand out has been heeded. I think he will return to the club but I wonder if it is really the best thing for Richmond if he is just a ticking time bomb that will never realize his potential because of his attitude and lifestyle.
My loyalty is to Richmond first and Dusty second. If Dusty can start to grow up and realize the opportunity that the club is supporting him to grasp then I will become his number one fan but I have seen too many teams/cultures ripped to shredded on the back of individuals.
Again (and I am not having a go at you Stripes) but I read someone saying he is a "ticking time bomb". I know the media have said it; who could forget Hutchy and Caro going whackety, whack, whack a few weeks back. But has anyone else said it. I certainly don't think the RFC see it that way
Yes Clubs have said they don't want him (not disputing that) but could that simply be a case of the fact they see it Dusty is Richmond person and doesn't want to leave? It was a point Leon Cameron made last week, perhaps Leppa has told Brisbane the same thing?
I said somewhere else and copped a bit of a whack myself ;D but it is all about perception. Obviously my perception is very different to alot of other folks
End of the day we don't know the "truth is" but what I will say one way or another we will know a helluva lot more by the end of tonight :thumbsup ;D
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Eddie McGuire on Triple M has mail Dusty's been told to sign TODAY and announce at BF or else he's gonski
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i heard he has already signed and they were just waiting for tonight, amazing how these media and jounos get away with cheap chinese whispers a but your average punter on a forum gets shot down when their info is probably sometimes more accurate.
Anyway hope its true in either case we can move on .....
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He is all that, but I still maintain he rarely if ever plays 4 full quarters.
so what? if you can rack up +30 touches without the cliched "4 full quarters" wank WGAF
dusty can win a game off his own boot in about 15 minutes
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Eddie McGuire on Triple M has mail Dusty's been told to sign TODAY and announce at BF or else he's gonski
Anyone else thinks it's somewhat obscene that a rival club president has a permanent gig in the media peddling scuttlebutt?
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Eddie McGuire on Triple M has mail Dusty's been told to sign TODAY and announce at BF or else he's gonski
Anyone else thinks it's somewhat obscene that a rival club president has a permanent gig in the media peddling scuttlebutt?
Yeah but that's Eddie ;D
And nothing like a good ultimatum to get folks excited ;D
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Dusty's slimming options
Richmond star Dustin Martin is increasingly likely to be forced to accept a two-year, $1 million offer from the Tigers, with rival clubs pulling out of the race for his services and no known suitors keen to secure him.
News Limited reports that only a backflip from a Melbourne club would provide the 22-year-old with an alternative deal.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-30/giants-want-leader-shaw
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Eddie McGuire on Triple M has mail Dusty's been told to sign TODAY and announce at BF or else he's gonski
Anyone else thinks it's somewhat obscene that a rival club president has a permanent gig in the media peddling scuttlebutt?
Especially when it's convenient to avoid talking about Heath Shaw, Dale Thomas and his own club :whistle.
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all is not well down at Eddievilla ;D His love child is destroying his beloved club :jump
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WP - so far his off field history has not been good. I won't make a list but he has made a lot of silly off-field choices in the past and seems adamant to associate with who he wants and do what he wants when he wants. I'm not having a go at you WP but his track record isn't good and the way he has handled this contract isn't great either. He requires a huge amount if management which is why the club has only offered him a two year contract.
No one knows what he will do and this is why he needs be seen as a bonus player rather than a lock in structural player. In all honesty there will always be a question mark over his head because he could either win you a flag or drag you through the mud with other players along for the ride.
This is why people have referred to him as a ticking time bomb and why some say we may be better off without him. I want him wearing the yellow sash but I worry about his attitude
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WP - so far his off field history has not been good. I won't make a list but he has made a lot of silly off-field choices in the past and seems adamant to associate with who he wants and do what he wants when he wants. I'm not having a go at you WP but his track record isn't good and the way he has handled this contract isn't great either. He requires a huge amount if management which is why the club has only offered him a two year contract.
No one knows what he will do and this is why he needs be seen as a bonus player rather than a lock in structural player. In all honesty there will always be a question mark over his head because he could either win you a flag or drag you through the mud with other players along for the ride.
This is why people have referred to him as a ticking time bomb and why some say we may be better off without him. I want him wearing the yellow sash but I worry about his attitude
Seen many footballers like him but not with his upper body strength. Problem is when you curb their attitude it affects their football & they slowly fade out of the picture
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Robbo saying Dustin has re-signed for 2 years
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The saga is over Martin has signed ;D
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Robbo saying Dustin has re-signed for 2 years
please let it be so and then destroy this thread forever
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Its over l just heard he had signed
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Yep, just seen the headline in the Hun, this is excellent... :clapping
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Its over l just heard he had signed
Lol 2 year deal.... We have to do this all again in 2015 :banghead
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over.........till 2015. hahaha
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Its over l just heard he had signed
Lol 2 year deal.... We have to do this all again in 2015 :banghead
Got a feeling he will leave in 2015.
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Its over l just heard he had signed
Lol 2 year deal.... We have to do this all again in 2015 :banghead
Got a feeling he will leave in 2015.
100% he will most likely become a gun and leave for mega $$$$
He will not forget this
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Can we keep this thread open anyway? :rollin :lol
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Yes mark Stevens saying on twitter
Deal is done
;D
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@Stevo7AFL: Ralph Carr met with Richardson and Blair Hartley for several hours this morning .. Meeting initiated by Tigers .. Deal done
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Welldone RFC for sticking Fat. Don't let anyone be bigger than the club.
As for signing till 2015, He will have to play good football to demand anymore money ;D If he wants to leave in future.
Now all we got to do is rookie his boyfriend Dan Conners ;D Good Talent wasted
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@Stevo7AFL: Ralph Carr met with Richardson and Blair Hartley for several hours this morning .. Meeting initiated by Tigers .. Deal done
Done & signed this morning so that means Tiger71 from whereva is a storyline teller :jump
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HUN reportingit too
Dustin Martin has re-signed with Richmond
by: Mark Robinson
•From: Herald Sun •September 30, 2013 1:07PM 1
DUSTIN Martin has signed a two-year contract extension at Richmond.
Martin met with Essendon last night but has decided to stay at Punt Rd.
The deal will be announced at tonight's Jack Dyer best-and-fairest function.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-has-re-signed-with-richmond/story-fni5f9jb-1226729952888
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Sack Carr now
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Its over l just heard he had signed
Lol 2 year deal.... We have to do this all again in 2015 :banghead
Got a feeling he will leave in 2015.
100% he will most likely become a gun and leave for mega $$$$
He will not forget this
what wont he forget?
that what his manager told him he is worth was crap?
that after shopping himself around no one would better the offer we had on the table for him?
I would hope he doesn't forget that.
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Never in doubt 8)
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all is not well down at Eddievilla ;D His love child is destroying his beloved club :jump
Which one?
eddie has many, depending on the day of the week ;D
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Never in doubt 8)
x 2
;D
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all is not well down at Eddievilla ;D His love child is destroying his beloved club :jump
Which one?
eddie has many, depending on the day of the week ;D
Be nice is Thomas walked out & come to Tigerland ;D what a big blow that would be
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all is not well down at Eddievilla ;D His love child is destroying his beloved club :jump
Which one?
eddie has many, depending on the day of the week ;D
Be nice is Thomas walked out & come to Tigerland ;D what a big blow that would be
Rumour HQ saying Daisy's ankle is stuffed and he'll end up staying at C'wood bcos no one wants him :rollin
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Sack Carr now
x 2
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Thomas, Shaw leaving Collingwood Eddie, want to talk about that?
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all is not well down at Eddievilla ;D His love child is destroying his beloved club :jump
Which one?
eddie has many, depending on the day of the week ;D
Be nice is Thomas walked out & come to Tigerland ;D what a big blow that would be
Rumour HQ saying Daisy's ankle is stuffed and he'll end up staying at C'wood bcos no one wants him :rollin
His off to play with Carlton
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Sack Carr now
x 2
X 4 yeah I voted twice - should be stripped of his license
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Finally the Ralph Carr Soap Opera is over and Dusty has seen the light! :clapping Lets hope this sort of crap doesn't happen again in 2 years time.
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The saga is over Martin has signed ;D
Great news :thumbsup I hope he can mature now, become more appreciative of what the club is and has done for him and starts to put the team ahead of his own self interests. Unquestionably we're a better team with him in it though. :cheers
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Dan Connors twitter-
@Danconnors19 59m
Wonder how many number 4 haters from old punt road are gonna jump back on that band wagon?? #congratsbra
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Now he can win the b&f tonight :thumbsup
Dustin Martin re-signs with Richmond
Date September 30, 2013 - 1:42PM
Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin has re-signed with the Tigers, extending his contract by two years.
Richmond and Martin's management met on Friday and again on grand final day, and the deal is expected to be formally announced at the club's best and fairest dinner on Monday night.
Earlier this month, contract negotiations between Martin and the Tigers broke down. He spoke to other clubs, but his last option fell through on Sunday when Brisbane announced they would not consider signing him.
Martin had been shown around the premises at GWS headquarters, but the Giants decided not to pursue him.
The strongly built right-footer has played 86 games in four seasons, averaging 22 disposals and a goal per outing. He polled 16 Brownlow Medal votes in 2013.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-resigns-with-richmond-20130930-2unsu.html#ixzz2gLblx7G2
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YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHSSSSSSS!
About time! I was worried that I'd have to get used to the sight of seeing Shaun Grigg on the receiving end of a Martin don't argue
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Dan Connors twitter-
@Danconnors19 59m
Wonder how many number 4 haters from old punt road are gonna jump back on that band wagon?? #congratsbra
I wonder how many Number 19 haters from old Punt Road still think you are a twit who totally screwed up a golden opportunity to fulfill a dream that every young footy player out their would give their right eye to be given. I can't see anyone jumping off that Band Wagon at Present Dan and I believe there is still a waiting list for a seat.
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:lol
where is dan the man plying his trade these days?
LMAO.
#congratsbra :lol #bra_is4gay_crossdressers
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:lol
where is dan the man plying his trade these days?
LMAO.
#congratsbra :lol #bra_is4gay_crossdressers
:rollin
Al, I think he's CTFO (Chief Trans Fats Officer) at Croxton's Charcoal Chickens in Thornbury. ;D
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Dan Connors twitter-
@Danconnors19 59m
Wonder how many number 4 haters from old punt road are gonna jump back on that band wagon?? #congratsbra
I wonder how many Number 19 haters from old Punt Road still think you are a twit who totally screwed up a golden opportunity to fulfill a dream that every young footy player out their would give their right eye to be given. I can't see anyone jumping off that Band Wagon at Present Dan and I believe there is still a waiting list for a seat.
:clapping :clapping
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Connors will be in jail in 3 years
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He has no idea Connors, WP knows as good as i do about his antics at Coburg and Richmond.
Daniel is and always will be an under achiever. Doesnt know what hard work is and has no respect for what people do for him.
He was also given far too many chances to turn himself around and couldnt manage it.
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this thread must not ever be closed in 2 years time when young dustn and his manager want 800k a year we will be back discussing the situation. have to thank road kill for giving us 2 weeks of something to talk about now hopefully we can secure an Adams and maybe a Chapman and we will be ok.
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He has no idea Connors, WP knows as good as i do about his antics at Coburg and Richmond.
Daniel is and always will be an under achiever. Doesnt know what hard work is and has no respect for what people do for him.
He was also given far too many chances to turn himself around and couldnt manage it.
You are correct TFL
Lack of respect is DC's biggest downfall IMHO, always has been, always will be
Put simply Connors just doesn't get it
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Dan Conners never ceases to amaze me that stupid boy.
Aberfeldie footy Club on small payments ;D wears #18 ;D
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Wonder when Caro will interview Dusty ;D whack
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Just received my copy of the official press release from the Club ;D
So can I be the first to say it is absolutely OFFICIAL, no media beat up or speculations anymore
MARTIN RE-SIGNS WITH THE TIGERS
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Its over l just heard he had signed
Lol 2 year deal.... We have to do this all again in 2015 :banghead
Got a feeling he will leave in 2015.
Got a feeling that you are over reacting (again)
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He has no idea Connors, WP knows as good as i do about his antics at Coburg and Richmond.
Daniel is and always will be an under achiever. Doesnt know what hard work is and has no respect for what people do for him.
He was also given far too many chances to turn himself around and couldnt manage it.
You are correct TFL
Lack of respect is DC's biggest downfall IMHO, always has been, always will be
Put simply Connors just doesn't get it
You'd think with how he got away with that severe bashing he was part of predraft, he wouldve learnt some humility.
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Martin sticks with the Tigers
By richmondfc.com.au
3:07pm AEST Monday, September 30, 2013
Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin has agreed to a new contract with Richmond.
Martin has committed to a further two seasons at the Club, ensuring he will remain a Tiger until at least the end of 2015.
“We have always considered Dustin a required player at Richmond, and we are pleased he has re-committed to the Club,” said Richmond’s General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson.
“We have been encouraged by the way Dustin has developed as a footballer, and a person, in his time at Richmond.
“We now look forward to Dustin having another strong pre-season and continuing his improvement in 2014 and beyond.”
...
“I want to thank the Richmond Football Club and it supporters for being so patient during these negotiations,” Martin said.
“My family and I are grateful for the manner in which Ralph Carr has represented me.
"I am now looking forward to doing everything possible to help the Club and my teammates have the success we all crave.”
Read more and full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-09-30/martin-sticks-with-the-tigers-
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“My family and I are grateful for the manner in which Ralph Carr has represented me.
:facepalm :huh3
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Comedy gold right there ^ f me, thanks for that Ralf
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our media department need to work on their supposed quotes. just tell it how it is dont crap around with supposed quotes such as "I am now looking forward to doing everything possible to help the Club and my teammates have the success we all crave"
this type of press release is to professional to be real. just tell it how it is. no bulltish quotes please. And dont use words like "crave" coz most footballers would never use it. ;D
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"10 green bottles, thrown against the wall"
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According to Schwarz and Connolly, the offer before talks broke down was $530k and that's been trimmed now by 7-8% (so about $490k).
Dan Richardson just gave a press conference.
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our media department need to work on their supposed quotes. just tell it how it is dont crap around with supposed quotes such as "I am now looking forward to doing everything possible to help the Club and my teammates have the success we all crave"
this type of press release is to professional to be real. just tell it how it is. no bulltish quotes please. And dont use words like "crave" coz most footballers would never use it. ;D
My exact thoughts too.. Don't put quotes in there unless they are what they are. Quotes. Not PR media spun cliches.
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Pity it wasn't 3-4 years IMO. Don't wanna have to do this again in 2 years.
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According to Schwarz and Connolly, the offer before talks broke down was $530k and that's been trimmed now by 7-8% (so about $490k).
“My family and I are grateful for the manner in which Ralph Carr has represented me."
:lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
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Lol. Carr lost him money on his contract! Well done bro (for RFC anyway!).
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Lol. Carr lost him money on his contract! Well done bro (for RFC anyway!).
it's bra, not bro :rollin
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Well done. Finally the drama is over
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Robbo said Dusty was very close to signing with Essendon last night
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Robbo said Dusty was very close to signing with Essendon last night
Hey Robbo, Mark Stevens was very close to getting the chief football writer at the Hum but you somehow fell over the line.
Your point is?
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hahahaha yeah signing with no coach and no discussion of picks
give me a break u fool.
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Ralph Carr said it wasn't about the money and that Dusty wanted to be closer to his family
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Does anyone think that perhaps...ralph carr simply lies?
if he ever had any credibility in the football world it has been eaten up and shat down the crapper
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Does anyone think that perhaps...ralph carr simply lies?
Yes,
if he ever had any credibility in the football world it has been eaten up and shat down the crapper
Clearly
Ralph Carr said it wasn't about the money and that Dusty wanted to be closer to his family
Really his father lives in Sydney rest of the family lives in Victoria
Stupid statement
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Ch7 news will be speaking to Dimma about the Dusty contract news
From Mark Steven's Twitter
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Would you let your daughter go out with this guy?
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if I was Kim Duffy's dad i would.....
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This is what I have been singing all day, courtesy of the 'Grog Squad'
Da Da da da dada da da da da
Da Da da da dada da da da da
Da Da da da dada da da da da
Da da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaa
OOHH Dustin Martin you are the love of my life
oh dustin martin, Id let you shag my wife
oh dustin martin, I want neck tattoos too
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On Ch7
Bailed up Dimma and told him Dusty was staying. Dimma's response "I better make sure, terrific result"
Reckons he is a tiger at heart
Meeting with dim at Carr lasted 4 hours
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2 year deal worth $1m according to Ch 7 news.
Ch 7 was first to tell Dimma the news while he was on a run. Dimma said he had no doubts as Dusty is a Tiger at heart.
The meeting between the Club and Dusty went for 4 hours.
Edit: Beat me to it WP :thumbsup
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Was daddy dusty at the meeting?
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What fantastic news, well done RFC, :clapping there hasn't been a cooler negotiation since JFK avoided a global conflict during the Cuban missile crisis. With dustin Martin pivotal to our premiership ambition, it's not a matter of when, it's how many :shh
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More family support for Dustin Martin as he re-signs with Tigers for two years
By Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
11:44pm AEST Monday, September 30, 2013
DUSTIN Martin's father will move from Sydney to Melbourne next year to support the young midfielder after he returned to Punt Road and re-signed with Richmond on Monday.
Martin has committed to the Tigers for two seasons, ending a fortnight-long circus that began when he told the club he would pursue offers from other clubs.
On Monday night, the 22-year-old capped a strong season by finishing second in the Jack Dyer Medal, behind winner Daniel Jackson.
He thanked a long list of people for their support during "a tough year", including his dad, who attended the packed function at Crown.
The crowd of more than 1500 people jeered, however, when he thanked his manager Ralph Carr, whose role in Martin's contract negotiations has been criticised.
"I want to clear something up," Martin said.
"With all the stuff that went on, obviously I had a meeting with GWS, and that wasn't 'Ralphy' (Carr) or my old man's influence. It was all me.
"My dad's been a massive support to me and the decision to think about that was just to be closer to my dad, because I really need his support.
"He's going to move down with me next year … I love you Dad and I appreciate everything you do for me."
Earlier on Monday, Richmond confirmed Martin had re-signed, with the midfielder thanking the club and its supporters for "being so patient during these negotiations".
“I want to thank the Richmond Football Club and our supporters for being so patient during these negotiations,” Martin said on Monday.
“My family and I are grateful for the manner in which Ralph Carr has represented me.
"I am now looking forward to doing everything possible to help the club and my teammates have the success we all crave.”
Melbourne, St Kilda and the Brisbane Lions all publicly ruled themselves out of any race to secure Martin after being linked with the 22-year-old.
After hosting Martin on a tour of its facilities, Greater Western Sydney also said it would not pursue the young Tiger, who has remained a "required player" at Punt Road.
“We have always considered Dustin a required player at Richmond, and we are pleased he has re-committed to the club,” general manager of football Dan Richardson said.
“We have been encouraged by the way Dustin has developed as a footballer, and a person, in his time at Richmond.
“We now look forward to Dustin having another strong pre-season and continuing his improvement in 2014 and beyond.”
Martin attended the Brownlow Medal, sitting at the Richmond table and polling 16 votes. Senior Tigers players have remained in regular contact with him since the end of the season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-30/dusty-settles-at-richmond
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The crowd of more than 1500 people jeered, however, when he thanked his manager Ralph Carr ...
:lol
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The crowd of more than 1500 people jeered, however, when he thanked his manager Ralph Carr ...
:lol
Can I say that is absolute crap,
The entire crowd did not jeer, yes there were a few and although I am Carrs biggest critic, it wasn't the time nor the place for it.
Well done Dusty, spoke from the heart ;) can't ask for more than that. You're home again :thumbsup
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The crowd of more than 1500 people jeered, however, when he thanked his manager Ralph Carr ...
:lol
Can I say that is absolute crap,
The entire crowd did not jeer, yes there were a few and although I am Carrs biggest critic, it wasn't the time nor the place for it.
Well done Dusty, spoke from the heart ;) can't ask for more than that. You're home again :thumbsup
He looks to be a bit unstable to me. Seen it many times players who are taken out of their nest & moved to the big city. Its not easy & takes a lot of understanding from the outside. Being a parent who has grown kids that have left home to the big city for uni & work, Knows just how much it affects them & how much they call home. But when you got the added pressure of league footy, huge money, & being in the public spotlight, Always being followed by Journo's who make their money off your mistakes is enough reason for many of these young people to want to turn away at whatever price. Money means nothing to many who pride family 1st. But get rid of that stupid haircut. he looks like a mean crusty clown or something.
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Yeah the haircut was a shocker ;D
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
Yesss Coach
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
Yesss Coach
you couldn't look anymore stupid than him & that haircut. Is enough to scare a opponent ;D Can image him walking through his girlfriends parents door ;D Suppose it wouldn't matter if it was his boyfriends parents door cause he would fit in ;D
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;D
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Dusty and co would be spewing they signed yesterday now :)
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Dusty and co would be spewing they signed yesterday now :)
well they have & now he needs to help us win a premiership or 2 :lol
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Dusty and co would be spewing they signed yesterday now :)
well they have & now he needs to help us win a premiership or 2 :lol
nah Sydney will win them now
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
Hope so cos they completely shat themselves from it in the elim final
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Trent Cotchin @tcotchin9 twitter:
"So happy that my boy @dustinmartin4 put pen to paper!! Well done @richmond_fc #stoked"
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http://instagram.com/p/e4jaaAKz0I/#
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
Hope so cos they completely shat themselves from it in the elim final
Did they? I thought they came out and lapped it up.
Oh you're looking for excuses for after half time.
Yeah, the crowd got to them. Stuffwit ::)
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VIDEO: Dusty's speech last night at the JDM...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-10-01/jack-dyer-medal-martin-speech
Martin shows Tiger love
By richmondfc.com.au
3:52pm AEST Tuesday, October 1, 2013
Young gun Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin expressed his passion for the Club in his acceptance speech for winning the Jack Titus Medal (runner-up in the Best and Fairest) at last night’s (Monday, September 30) gala Jack Dyer Medal function.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-01/martin-shows-tiger-love
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
Hope so cos they completely shat themselves from it in the elim final
We lost the final because we were hit with injuries which cut our run down & interchange. Newman, Jackson, Conca, King, Rewoldt, Griggs, Maric, & whoever l forgot. We were simply beaten by the fitter side & nothing more. Anyone would suffer crowd anxiety in front of 95000 ;D
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
Hope so cos they completely shat themselves from it in the elim final
We lost the final because we were hit with injuries which cut our run down & interchange. Newman, Jackson, Conca, King, Rewoldt, Griggs, Maric, & whoever l forgot. We were simply beaten by the fitter side & nothing more. Anyone would suffer crowd anxiety in front of 95000 ;D
carlton didn't
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
Hope so cos they completely shat themselves from it in the elim final
We lost the final because we were hit with injuries which cut our run down & interchange. Newman, Jackson, Conca, King, Rewoldt, Griggs, Maric, & whoever l forgot. We were simply beaten by the fitter side & nothing more. Anyone would suffer crowd anxiety in front of 95000 ;D
carlton didn't
they did poo themselves against 37,980 vs sydney
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carlton didn't
that's because Carlton had the fitter side ;D
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
Leon Cameron tells SEN he doesn't regret not chasing Dustin Martin harder. "You could see he had yellow and black in his eyes"
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Dusty's speech is probably the longest I've ever heard him talk. Was very interesting. I can't help like the lad, had a different upbringing to most on here. Finishing school at 14 or 15 and not even doing a trade is very different. The fact that he defended his manager publicly is really impressive and to take responsibility for tackling to GWS, whilst strange, takes balls, especially after the circus that happened. Would have been very very easy to just brush it off and say the deal is done lets move on. I rate that.
I think its obvious he's the type of person that doesn't respond well to authority although he respects it. His thanks to Chocco and his family seemed really genuine as did all of his thanks.
I actually believe he wanted to be closer to his Dad but money was also a factor as it is for all players. The chat with Essendon really annoys me and for that I think I blame Carr. Carr stuffed up the negotiations and was costing Dusty money and lost out on the idea of moving to NSW so he entertained an option that could have satisfied Dustys wallet. Hats off to Dusty for choosing his 'home' over the drug addicts.
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
Leon Cameron tells SEN he doesn't regret not chasing Dustin Martin harder. "You could see he had yellow and black in his eyes"
:clapping
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our players will be stronger next year after hearing the Tiger Army at full roar ;D
Hope so cos they completely shat themselves from it in the elim final
We lost the final because we were hit with injuries which cut our run down & interchange. Newman, Jackson, Conca, King, Rewoldt, Griggs, Maric, & whoever l forgot. We were simply beaten by the fitter side & nothing more. Anyone would suffer crowd anxiety in front of 95000 ;D
Maric outran Henderson to kick a rippa in the last quarter. Didn't look injured to me.
Griggs was as soft as a melted ice cream all game and we made the poor decision of giving Newman a game out of sentiment when we should have erred on caution. Other than Conca getting injured limiting our rotations we really have no excuses.
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
Leon Cameron tells SEN he doesn't regret not chasing Dustin Martin harder. "You could see he had yellow and black in his eyes"
Leon Cameron is a star. He didn't have to say what he said about Dusty having black and yellow eyes. Just a real champ IMO. New it was the best thing for the kid to stay at Tigerland.
Wish him the best of luck in his coaching. :clapping
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spot on couldnt agree more BT and Don.
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
Leon Cameron tells SEN he doesn't regret not chasing Dustin Martin harder. "You could see he had yellow and black in his eyes"
Leon Cameron is a star. He didn't have to say what he said about Dusty having black and yellow eyes. Just a real champ IMO. New it was the best thing for the kid to stay at Tigerland.
Wish him the best of luck in his coaching. :clapping
I'm with u tone, I was a blubbering mess on hearing that :shh
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
Leon Cameron tells SEN he doesn't regret not chasing Dustin Martin harder. "You could see he had yellow and black in his eyes"
Leon Cameron is a star. He didn't have to say what he said about Dusty having black and yellow eyes. Just a real champ IMO. New it was the best thing for the kid to stay at Tigerland.
Wish him the best of luck in his coaching. :clapping
I'm with u tone, I was a blubbering mess on hearing that :shh
So no real reaction then BJ?
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Al Paton @al_superfooty twitter:
Leon Cameron tells SEN he doesn't regret not chasing Dustin Martin harder. "You could see he had yellow and black in his eyes"
Leon Cameron is a star. He didn't have to say what he said about Dusty having black and yellow eyes. Just a real champ IMO. New it was the best thing for the kid to stay at Tigerland.
Wish him the best of luck in his coaching. :clapping
I'm with u tone, I was a blubbering mess on hearing that :shh
So no real reaction then BJ?
Nothing abnormal anyway. ;D
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Dustbin Matin it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more lose cannon and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
Someone has an apology to make, RROFO
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Geez coach is sifting through his little black book today! :lol Who's next on your list Coacherella?
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Geez coach is sifting through his little black book today! :lol Who's next on your list Coacherella?
Not sure if I go all out or not brother. People should know their role and shut their mouths.
Regards,
The Rock
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With all the negative comments that came out about dusty, its like shooting fish in a toilet. ;D
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Greg White it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more ordinary player with dodgy hammys and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
Someone has an apology to make, RROFO
I think he made a fair call. :cheers ;D
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The B&F on the 30th Sept will be interesting if he shows up ;D
Should not let him near the place
Disagree a great test of character
Do you face those you've let down like a man
Or do you do the cowardly thing and stay away
Stay away. That night is not about Dustbin Matin it's for players who are committed to the club. Couldn't give a poo if he is a man or a coward. He can prove his manliness somewhere else and not use the RFC any more.
Going to be a great thing for the club. No more lose cannon and we're going to use whatever compensation we get very well.
Someone has an apology to make, RROFO
lol. It's what I felt at the time and I think emotions were quit raw then. Let myself get caught up in the media rubbish and had a case of rampant hyperbole. Found myself bouncing from one position to another and shortly after that post decided to sit back and wait before I judged
Still very cautious about him, not comfortable with the whole mess. Words seem to contradict actions and though he made a very nice speech and has given his side, there are things that happened that simply don't add up.
What you read in the media is never correct so I suppose about 30% of what was written was probably accurate.
Martin has committed to the Tigers and I have to believe what's coming out of his mouth. I'll cut him some slack. Don't have to like the whole sad situation though and I don't subscribe to the poor little idiot boy who's been used by those around him theory either.
If he had left or hadn't signed by the B&F then I'd stand by my statement. As it was he'd signed that day. Not apologizing for my post though. At the time he was far from showing any loyalty or commitment.
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Carlton took Thomas over Martin because they were asking a stupid price. Welldone Ralph :rollin
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What kinda imbecile would pay a broken down 27yo hff 700k , with dustin Martin available 22yo, 16 votes In the brownlow and r up in b&f.. ::)
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With all the negative comments that came out about dusty, its like shooting fish in a toilet. ;D
Or cats in a barrel
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What kinda imbecile would pay a broken down 27yo
Petterd?
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I guess daisys upside is huge
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Carlton took Thomas over Martin because they were asking a stupid price. Welldone Ralph :rollin
Carlton are stupid. They could've got Martin for 600k
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Carlton took Thomas over Martin because they were asking a stupid price. Welldone Ralph :rollin
Carlton are stupid. They could've got Martin for 600k
They obviously rate Daisy higher than Martin
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Carlton took Thomas over Martin because they were asking a stupid price. Welldone Ralph :rollin
Carlton are stupid. They could've got Martin for 600k
They obviously rate Daisy higher than Martin
Good luck with that Carlton!!!!!!!!
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Choco’s Dusty delight
richmondfc.com.au
October 14, 2013
Richmond player development manager Mark Williams was extremely impressed with the progress made by young Tiger gun Dustin Martin throughout 2013, both on and off the field.
“Our family’s been really close with him. He’s come over every week, enjoyed spending time with my kids and wife, and having dinner with us,” Williams told ‘Roar Vision’.
“I’ve also seen the development (in Martin) that others wouldn’t have . . .
In terms of playing performance, Williams highly rated Martin’s 2013 season . . .
“He also had the second most possessions for us and, something that people wouldn’t realise . . . he was No. 2 in the AFL for score involvements. So, he’s touched the ball somewhere in us scoring, the second most in the whole AFL, which is just unbelievable.”
Read more and the full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-10-14/chocos-dusty-delight
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Very very important player for our team!
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Whenever I hear or see chocco speak I wanna grab a footy .The only other person who revs me up like that is Tommy.
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Yep choco has been enormous for RFC , a great mentor for a younger band of coaches coming through. It's no surprise he s on the short list of every coaching vacancy either , just quietly :shh
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Yep choco has been enormous for RFC , a great mentor for a younger band of coaches coming through. It's no surprise he s on the short list of every coaching vacancy either , just quietly :shh
Brian Royal has been on the short list of every coaching position for 20 years!!it means absolutely nothing!!!
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Royal hasn't been on a short list for 10 years :lol
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Tiger Dustin Martin returns to training at Punt Road after looking like leaving at one stage
by: Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun November 11, 2013 4:54PM
DUSTIN Martin has put the repeated controversies of past pre-seasons behind him to return fit and focused for his fifth summer at Richmond.
Martin endured yet another pre-season of turmoil, considering his future with a public tour of Greater Western Sydney's facilities and pondering a shift to Essendon.
Yet he eventually re-signed on a two-year deal, the club and those close to him say he is in terrific shape physically and mentally.
The fifth-year player returned early for his first session at Punt Road yesterday and joined the 1-4 year players.
In 2011 he was given a rocket by coach Damien Hardwick after being "unfit" for a Botanic Gardens time trial, and last summer the club queried his off-field habits.
But after resolving the recent contract impasse, the 22-year-old is ready to build upon a season in which he finished second in the Jack Dyer Medal.
While he eased into training yesterday, the Tigers believe he will again build on a tank that has been a work in progress throughout his career.
Richmond development coach Mark Williams took yesterday's session but is expected to be lost to St Kilda by early next week.
The Tigers are officially saying they will consider his position if he is appointed as St Kilda senior coach, but no one expects them to hold Williams.
While the Tigers could replace Williams his departure would be a blow for Martin, with the Port Adelaide premiership coach forging close ties with the Richmond ball winner.
"Our family's been really close with him. He's come over every week, enjoyed spending time with my kids and wife, and having dinner with us," Williams said recently.
"He had 55 shots on goal (in 2013), and midfielders don't usually have that, so that's brilliant. He also had the second most possessions for us and, something that people wouldn't realise, he was No. 2 in the AFL for score involvements. So, he's touched the ball somewhere in us scoring, the second most in the whole AFL, which is just unbelievable."
Richmond has a relatively light injury list, with Reece Conca (hamstring), exciting forward Liam McBean (ankle) and Matt Dea (back stress fracture) all forced to ease into the pre-season.
The Tigers will take another hard-bodied midfielder at pick 12 in the national draft after recent success with Brandon Ellis, Conca, Martin and last year's revelation Nick Vlastuin.
The Herald Sun phantom draft linked Sandringham Dragons 183m midfielder Christian Salem to the Tigers, with the left-footer's playing style compared to Sydney's Dan Hannebery
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-dustin-martin-returns-to-training-at-punt-road-after-looking-like-leaving-at-one-stage/story-fndv8t7m-1226757909277
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Did this really need it's own thread? ::)
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Did this really need it's own thread? ::)
It's the off-season, what else have we got to rant and rave about?? Considering Dusty's recent colourful history it is good to hear he's in good nik physically and mentally, the younger kids will be looking up to the likes of a fifth year player for inspiration and guidance so kudos to him.
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Did this really need it's own thread? ::)
It's the off-season, what else have we got to rant and rave about?? Considering Dusty's recent colourful history it is good to hear he's in good nik physically and mentally, the younger kids will be looking up to the likes of a fifth year player for inspiration and guidance so kudos to him.
just wait until draft night when I come in here and call our selections duds and all the apologists start getting upset ;D
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Did this really need it's own thread? ::)
Yes ;D
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I don't get why Dusty doing what he should be doing when on 500k a year deserves an article tbh. ::)
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I don't get why Dusty doing what he should be doing when on 500k a year deserves an article tbh. ::)
I think the fact that he is finally doing all the correct things is where the news comes from. :shh
I hope he uses the whole negotiation fiasco as motivation to tear the year up and prove to the world what he is capable of.....just before he gets traded to the Saints in two years to be with Cocco :-[ :P
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I don't get why Dusty doing what he should be doing when on 500k a year deserves an article tbh. ::)
I think the fact that he is finally doing all the correct things is where the news comes from. :shh
I hope he uses the whole negotiation fiasco as motivation to tear the year up and prove to the world what he is capable of.....just before he gets traded to the Saints in two years to be with Cocco :-[ :P
Saints will sack Chocco by then.
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Did this really need it's own thread? ::)
It actually needs 3 seperate threads, one on dusty, one on our injuries and another on the national draft.
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Did this really need it's own thread? ::)
It actually needs 3 seperate threads, one on dusty, one on our injuries and another on the national draft.
True but I couldn't be bothered doing that ;D
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I hope Williams does not go.
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Big Duzza :clapping
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I hope Williams does not go.
We all do but its an absolute fa complete :'(
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Will probably be at another club in 2 years from now so gives a stuff ;)
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When you look at Dusty's peers from the 2009 draft, he's performed better than most if not all of them.
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The top dozen picks of the 2009 national draft reads like this: Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito, Ben Cunnington, Gary Rohan, Brad Sheppard, John Butcher, Andrew Moore, Jake Melksham, Jordan Gysberts and Kane Lucas. Heaps of talent in that group, certainly. But considering factors such as the clubs to which they've been sent, lack of development, opportunity or injuries, how many have made a profound impact in four seasons since?
Martin, certainly, for Richmond. Cunnington at North Melbourne. Melksham and, after a few stutters with Melbourne, Scully, are making an impression at Essendon and GWS. But fate hasn't smiled fondly on Morabito or Rohan; Butcher, Moore, Sheppard and Lucas have struggled, and Gysberts might have already come and gone. The same draft, meanwhile, has delivered two proven premiership players from apparently more speculative picks beyond No.40 - Geelong's Allen Christensen at 40, and Hawthorn defender Ben Stratton at No. 46.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/national-afl-draft-is-still-a-lottery-20131116-2xnuc.html#ixzz2kpQFcBrs
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Martin is better than the rest of that group combined
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Martin, Fyfe, daylight. Cunnington will be a really good player too. Rohan and morabito ruined by injuries. The rest meh
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Cunnington iz poop
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Rohan averages about four disposals a game, pre and post injury
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and OE please don't bump Dustin Martin threads at 3am. Nearly gave me a heart attack
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When you look at Dusty's peers from the 2009 draft, he's performed better than most if not all of them.
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The top dozen picks of the 2009 national draft reads like this: Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito, Ben Cunnington, Gary Rohan, Brad Sheppard, John Butcher, Andrew Moore, Jake Melksham, Jordan Gysberts and Kane Lucas. Heaps of talent in that group, certainly. But considering factors such as the clubs to which they've been sent, lack of development, opportunity or injuries, how many have made a profound impact in four seasons since?
Martin, certainly, for Richmond. Cunnington at North Melbourne. Melksham and, after a few stutters with Melbourne, Scully, are making an impression at Essendon and GWS. But fate hasn't smiled fondly on Morabito or Rohan; Butcher, Moore, Sheppard and Lucas have struggled, and Gysberts might have already come and gone. The same draft, meanwhile, has delivered two proven premiership players from apparently more speculative picks beyond No.40 - Geelong's Allen Christensen at 40, and Hawthorn defender Ben Stratton at No. 46.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/national-afl-draft-is-still-a-lottery-20131116-2xnuc.html#ixzz2kpQFcBrs
you could argue the toss with our r1 selection the last 5 years, FJ is a damned mastermind :shh
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and OE please don't bump Dustin Martin threads at 3am. Nearly gave me a heart attack
Only you would be on here at 3am in the morning on a regular basis.
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When you look at Dusty's peers from the 2009 draft, he's performed better than most if not all of them.
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The top dozen picks of the 2009 national draft reads like this: Tom Scully, Jack Trengove, Dustin Martin, Anthony Morabito, Ben Cunnington, Gary Rohan, Brad Sheppard, John Butcher, Andrew Moore, Jake Melksham, Jordan Gysberts and Kane Lucas. Heaps of talent in that group, certainly. But considering factors such as the clubs to which they've been sent, lack of development, opportunity or injuries, how many have made a profound impact in four seasons since?
Martin, certainly, for Richmond. Cunnington at North Melbourne. Melksham and, after a few stutters with Melbourne, Scully, are making an impression at Essendon and GWS. But fate hasn't smiled fondly on Morabito or Rohan; Butcher, Moore, Sheppard and Lucas have struggled, and Gysberts might have already come and gone. The same draft, meanwhile, has delivered two proven premiership players from apparently more speculative picks beyond No.40 - Geelong's Allen Christensen at 40, and Hawthorn defender Ben Stratton at No. 46.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/national-afl-draft-is-still-a-lottery-20131116-2xnuc.html#ixzz2kpQFcBrs
you could argue the toss with our r1 selection the last 5 years, FJ is a damned mastermind :shh
In all seriousness his 1st selections have been great, no qualms there. But tbh Im pretty concerned at the lack of 2nd/3rd/4th rounders etc who have not been able to become regular best 22 players. If we could get 4-5 of them to step up and become legit best 22 and 200 game players it will go a long way to us being serious challengers over the next several years. Players like Elton, Griffiths, Astbury, batchelor, Arnott, Helbig etc - those types
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I think the reason why most of our recent 2nd/3rd round picks have not come on is because of the quality of our older players. They are creating competition for spots but haven't leapt past the more established players yet. Additionally a lot of the players in this category are young talls which always come on later. I have high hopes for McBean, Astbury and Arnot this year though. :thumbsup
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Really glad Williams(choco) is still at Club. Should offer him a contract extension. Really important in developing our younger players
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I think the reason why most of our recent 2nd/3rd round picks have not come on is because of the quality of our older players. They are creating competition for spots but haven't leapt past the more established players yet. Additionally a lot of the players in this category are young talls which always come on later. I have high hopes for McBean, Astbury and Arnot this year though. :thumbsup
Captain optimistic :clapping
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The Herald-Sun has put Dusty's contract saga on par with Campbell Brown punching and breaking the jaw of a teammate and Eddie's "King Kong" gaffe :huh.
Eddie McGuire, Dustin Martin in running for biggest AFL brain fade of 2013
Al Paton
From: News Limited Network
December 22, 2013 12:53PM
WE'VE all been there. Our brain takes a temporary holiday and we say or do something that later we just can't explain.
It's embarrassing, but, thankfully, most of us are not in the public glare of the AFL world.
Those that are have to choose their words and actions carefully, but sometimes they just can't help themselves. Here are 10 memorable examples from 2013 when some of the biggest names in the game wish they could have their time over (we hope).
DUSTY'S CONTRACT BACKFLIP
Dustin Martin Tweeted that reports he had walked out on Richmond were "totally incorrect". But he found it hard to explain how to better describe his move of rejecting the Tigers' contract to "pursue offers from other clubs".
Backed by manager Ralph Carr, Martin was said to be chasing $600,000 a year, but the hugely talented and sometimes wayward 22-year-old found the open market tougher than expected.
Clubs were quick to cross him off their recruiting lists and a flying visit to Greater Western Sydney didn't work out. Eventually he knocked back an 11th-hour bid by Essendon to re-sign with the Tigers for about what they offered him in the first place.
Dusty gets another mention for the jailhouse gesture in Richmond's elimination final loss to Carlton that cost him a $2000 suspended fine.
More at: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/eddie-mcguire-dustin-martin-in-running-for-biggest-afl-brain-fade-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226788356563
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Dane Swan on the news tonight said he's mates with Dusty and they have "taken each other under their wings".
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Fabulous
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First Toby Mitchell and Jake King, now Dane and Dusty what's next? David Beckham and Jack?
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First Toby Mitchell and Jake King, now Dane and Dusty what's next? David Beckham and Jack?
To quote a trademark on this site:
Terrific, just terrific. TM
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It's mentioned in today's Age as well ...
Collingwood's Dane Swan reveals he and Richmond's Dustin Martin are 'good mates'
Jon Pierik
The Age
February 2, 2014
Brownlow medallist Dane Swan has revealed his friendship with Richmond's Dustin Martin but insists he is not a mentor for the sometimes wayward Tiger.
Swan, who has weathered his own discipline issues at Collingwood through the years, said he and Martin were ''mates''.
''We are good mates, we have dinner a bit, just chat about footy, just like mates,'' Swan said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/collingwoods-dane-swan-reveals-he-and-richmonds-dustin-martin-are-good-mates-20140201-31ty8.html
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First Toby Mitchell and Jake King, now Dane and Dusty what's next? David Beckham and Jack?
WGAF
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First Toby Mitchell and Jake King, now Dane and Dusty what's next? David Beckham and Jack?
To quote a trademark on this site:
Terrific, just terrific. TM
:lol :lol
Though can I say I'd prefer Dusty hanging out with Dane the tattoo man than Toby Mitchell ;D
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Swan won a brownlow, hope it rubs off
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Apparently Dusty hangs out with Toby Mitchell too
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Is Toby Mitchell the guy in Spider-Man?
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Stat of the Day:
Martin's Contested Possession rate throughout his career so far:
2010- 45.0% CP
2011- 40.6% CP
2012- 36.5% CP
2013- 28.7% CP
https://twitter.com/AnthonyGilberg
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Is Toby Mitchell the guy in Spider-Man?
I believe that's Tony Mitchell
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Is Toby Mitchell the guy in Spider-Man?
No gerks its that other Toby... :shh ;) They both like to wear lycra.
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Stat of the Day:
Martin's Contested Possession rate throughout his career so far:
2010- 45.0% CP
2011- 40.6% CP
2012- 36.5% CP
2013- 28.7% CP
https://twitter.com/AnthonyGilberg
Wuld like to see his cp go up again, think he was a formidable inside out mid in his first 2 seasons, even more amazing bc of his age, now he's stronger, fitter, he'd tear it up
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I know what you're saying there t_m but where is he more useful to us, as an inside mid who is pretty good at extracting the pill out of a tight pack, or getting it out to him for a 20m run and carry, then a 60m spot pass inside fiddy, which not many players can do as effectively as Dusty. Does he need to kick more goals to justify playing him in the forward line?
The question is can we get it out to him in the first place-we are starting the season minus 10 in that area imv with the loss of Tuck.
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Richmond has forgiven star Dustin Martin for threatening to quit the club
Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
February 04, 2014 9:51PM
RICHMOND says it has forgiven Dustin Martin for threatening to walk out on the club.
The star midfielder appeared lost to the Tigers after he was publicly shopped around by his manager Ralph Carr last in October.
But coach Damien Hardwick yesterday said a quiet beer with Martin helped to change the young Tiger's mind.
"Do I wish it had could have played out differently? Yeah I do. Do I wish it had not been as public? Of course I do," Hardwick said
"But you've got to understand that Dustin Martin and me, and to our team, is family. And family make some blues - but you certainly forgive and forget. We've welcomed him back in with open arms."
"He's a player that I look at and think, 'Geez, this guy is 22 years of age'. He's an incredible talent and he's only going to get better and he's going to learn from his mistakes that he made through his last contract negotiation and probably realise that this is the place where he always wanted to be."
Hardwick said he met Martin over a beer at the height of the contract stand-off between the club and his manager.
"Sometimes the easiest thing to do is sit down like a mate and have a beer with them and just tell them where it is," Hardwick said.
"There was myself and (midfield coach) Danny Daly and Aaron Edwards as well and we just sat there and had a chat about life. He knew that we loved him as a player and he probably reciprocated it.
"It probably solidified where he was at our footy club. He could have quite easily gone - let's make no mistake about that but he knew where he wanted to be."
Hardwick said the entire Richmond list had returned from the off-season in top shape after last September's disastrous finals loss to Carlton.
"The guys have come back in really good shape ... our training intensity has been very good. And I think most sides realise that of you start well you generally hold on and try and finish well," he said.
"The guys want to win. They had a taste last year of what it takes to play finals footy and how exciting that was in front of 95 or 96,000. I've been very fortunate in my career to be part of some clubs that have played in some very big games but I don't think I have ever heard anything like that roar of the Carlton and Richmond (game).
"It's a long road to get back to there and you've got to make sure you tick every box before that and that's what our players did in the off-season - they came back fit, they came back in good shape and ready to work."
Hardwick said the club's growing stocks of talent meant senior spots were up for grabs for the Round 1 clash against the Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium.
"We had a bit of time before and were trying to pencil in our side. It's really hard. The great thing about our football club now is that (recruiting chief) Francis Jackson and (list manager) Blair Hartley have done a terrific job of bringing in talent through the door - and talent that I think can add straight away," he said.
"Depth is a crucial element in today's game because obviously we know it's a game of attrition.
"We are at a stage now where probably three years ago players played because regardless they were our best players - but now we have got depth in all positions. We probably did have it last year but we think we have improved again in that facet this year."
Hardwick said veteran midfielder Nathan Foley, who was dropped for the Carlton final, had been a standout performer across the pre-season.
"It was disappointing for Nathan and a difficult call for us to make as a match committee. But he has had a terrific pre-season as has Chris Newman and they are two guys we expect to be entrenched in the side come Round 1."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-has-forgiven-star-dustin-martin-for-threatening-to-quit-the-club/story-fndv8t7m-1226818022263
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I'm still a little bitter towards Du$tin after all the drama he put the Tiger faithful through .
Let's hope he has a big year .
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Richmond family embraces Dustin Martin after contract adventure
Peter Hanlon
The Age
February 5, 2014
Damien Hardwick wishes Dustin Martin's very public peek over the fence at other football paddocks hadn't happened, but is convinced the events of last September have strengthened for both parties the brilliant midfielder's standing in the Richmond family.
Speaking at the club's community camp in Warrnambool on Tuesday, the Tigers coach said Martin had been welcomed back ''with open arms'' after he eventually signed a new two-year contract, despite having tested the waters for a potential change of clubs.
The 22-year-old's Richmond days were thought to be over after he met with Greater Western Sydney and fielded interest from several clubs, including a late courting by Essendon.
''Do I wish it could have played out differently? Yes, I do,'' Hardwick said. ''Do I wish it could have not been as public? Of course I do.
''But you've got to understand, Dustin Martin to me and to our team is family, and family make some blues. But you certainly forgive and you forget also. We welcomed him back in with open arms.
''I think the thing that we found is it solidified where he was in our footy club. He could quite easily have gone, let's make no mistake about that, but he knew where he wanted to be. We spoke about this as the best place for his footy and the best place for us to go forward.''
At the height of the uncertainty over his future immediately after the Tigers' 2013 season ended in an elimination final loss to Carlton, Hardwick met Martin for a beer with assistant coach Danny Daly and teammate Aaron Edwards. The coach said it was a good reminder that footballers were on the whole young men who could feel uneasy about their place in a group.
''He's a terrific young fella, he's made enormous inroads,'' Hardwick said. ''He's a player I look at and think, jeez, this guy's 22 years of age. He's an incredible talent, and he's only going to get better. He's going to learn from his mistakes that he made through his last contract negotiation, he'll probably realise this is the place he always wanted to be. He'll learn some lessons along the way.''
Hardwick was bullish about Martin's approach to 2014, hailing his time trial performances and also his focus on improving his defensive game ahead of playing an increased role in the back half.
''He's run some times that we haven't seen from him before, he's learning some new skills,'' Hardwick said of a half-back role Martin trialled last season and is expected to see more of after interchange rotations were capped at 120.
The coach is also buoyed by the competition for spots in Richmond's best 22, praising recruiters Francis Jackson and Blair Hartley for delivering a list laden with ready-to-go talent. He would not be drawn on how many round-one spots were up for grabs, but hailed the club's depth as he enters a fifth season at the helm at Punt Rd.
''It's a crucial element in today's game - obviously we know it's a game of attrition - but we're really pleased with the players they brought in who are capable of playing footy straight away. Even to the point of last year, the 22, 23-year-olds that we've brought in have seamlessly worked their way through.
''[It's] hard to say [how many] spots, what we will say is, if you're playing well enough you're gunna get a game. Probably three years ago we had guys that we played because, regardless [of form], they were our best players. Now we've got depth in all positions and we feel that if a guy's playing well enough, they'll play.
''We haven't been in this position … we probably did have it last year, but we think we've improved again in that facet this year.''
Hardwick predicted there would be more tough calls made along the lines of leaving 10-year Tiger Nathan Foley out of last year's final against Carlton, but welcomed this as a sign of the club maturing.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-family-embraces-dustin-martin-after-contract-adventure-20140204-31zhg.html
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Needs a big two years and another contract to win me back over.
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Don't you just love the press with their attempt to inflame dead embers.
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I will never forgive him.
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Mrakov to paraphrase Seinfeld..you hold bigger grudges than Khomeni
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Gayest headline and story of 2014.
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Slow news day. Very slow it is 3 months old.
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I forgive Franger Jackson for drafting Oakley-Nicholls
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I also forgive Mrkov for trolling big Will on the membership thread
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Another troll hint in the headline.
What are they gonna write if we win a flag? :shh
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Another troll hint in the headline.
What are they gonna write if we win a flag? :shh
It's michael warner he's a tiger
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He's all dick and ribs , these things will happen, it's how he responds and to date he's training to the minute
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Football is a business now.
I blame his manager more than anyone, it was a crap thing to happen but as soon as he bangs in a goal from 65m out at the G to the Punt Road end I won't be caring for something that happened 7 months ago.
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3 votes
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Star :bow :bow
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His last goal was Cantona like. Sublime skill and poise
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I actually thought he went quiet after getting reported. up till then he was picking up possessions all around the ground at will.
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delivered the business with the sealer in the last minute of play and thats what we needed. he came through at the big moment. :clapping
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delivered the business with the sealer in the last minute of play and thats what we needed. he came through at the big moment. :clapping
And that's why he's OER's favourite player. :clapping :clapping
Hi '65 :shh
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As soon as I saw him one out in that play, I knew there was about a mnute left. Was on my feet straight away I could see it all happening and he delivered Dusty. To say I went ballistic would be an understatement... What a great moment twas.......
And thats why he is a favourite, he IS a match winner! When the most of the team were doing little bits of poo in there pants dusty stood t f up and said this is how you do it boys
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delivered the business with the sealer in the last minute of play and thats what we needed. he came through at the big moment. :clapping
And that's why he's OER's favourite player. :clapping :clapping
Hi '65 :shh
He went a long way to winning me over. That last goal was smooth.
:thumbsup
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delivered the business with the sealer in the last minute of play and thats what we needed. he came through at the big moment. :clapping
And that's why he's OER's favourite player. :clapping :clapping
Hi '65 :shh
He went a long way to winning me over. That last goal was smooth.
:thumbsup
:clapping Big Duzzy! His first goal was pretty good too. Vlastuin is going to be a gun as well.
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Was as clever as anything Jack has done.
Was a step ahead of his opponent the whole time.
Kids a gun.
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Stupid Irishman not hard yo be ahead of
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Was as clever as anything Jack has done.
Was a step ahead of his opponent the whole time.
Kids a gun.
Yeah I agree, the lad is a gun and knew what he was going to do before it happened, great talent and lots more to come, I hope.
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He's like Swan but will be better
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He's like Swan off field. On field he doesn't run as hard as Swan but he's got a better shoe.
Riccuto mk 2.
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Would be completely screwed without him, makes me laugh at the people that said he isn't or wasn't a match winner during trade talks.... :whistle
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He's like Swan but will be better
Big call, person who uses symbols for own name :lol
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He's like Swan but will be better
Big call, person who uses symbols for own name :lol
What symbols?
That clearly spells OX.
:lol
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He very rarely fails to win a ground ball in a one-on-one contest, been that way his entire life.
I always think when the send him deep forward they would almost be better to kick it in to him on the ground rather than in the air.
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Stupid Irishman not hard yo be ahead of
I just like the fact the Tooheys New was whinging to the ump he was being held.. Stiff Toohey stiff...
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I came
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Like a boss
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Was as clever as anything Jack has done.
Was a step ahead of his opponent the whole time.
Kids a gun.
Our best player, we did well signing him for under 500, worth double that , e a s y , but don't tell him that :shh
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My celebration of that goal was way over the top. My hat went three rows back.
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Black and Yellow Roar of pure relief and admiration!!!
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pretty sure the neighbors heard me telling them to stick that up their blue arses....and i live on a 5 acre block
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pretty sure the neighbors heard me telling them to stick that up their blue arses....and i live on a 5 acre block
:lol
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:lol
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Al is 5 acres far enough away from carlton supporters?
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Al is 5 acres far enough away from carlton supporters?
No, al still caught herpes. Need a 100 acre block.
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Al is 5 acres far enough away from carlton supporters?
I think not :lol
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pretty sure the neighbors heard me telling them to stick that up their blue arses....and i live on a 5 acre block
Lol. Exactly what happened at my place too Al! :lol
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My celebration of that goal was way over the top. My hat went three rows back.
same, I was dancing like Michael Jackson after he slotted that :dancing
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actually i was meant to be watching with a mate who is a carlton supporter but had other commitments which meant i had to watch a recording when i got home.
2nd time in 10 meetings or so we win and it is the only time i havent watched the game with him. spewing.
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His last name is actually Martin
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:lol
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His last name is actually Martin
YEEEAAAH MAN YEAAAAH WOHGOAJOAHO
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Dermott Brereton says Richmond need Dustin Martin to rise to the occasion, is Jamie Elliott Collingwood’s answer?
Herald-Sun
April 11, 2014
HISTORIANS write that in medieval times commanders would put their best soldiers, the ones who were wild of eye and fearless of their foes, at the front of a charge.
They would be the first in what was known as the shield wall because men who are unsure of their own courage, fear their own failure and need to follow fearless leaders.
Richmond seem to be a group who need a ferocious warrior to lead them into battle from the outset. And without Ivan Maric there doesn’t seem to be a fearless warrior ready to clash bodies and lead the charge.
It is ironic that from the outside, the assumption of who is their next best competitive beast and warrior is a second-year player Nick Vlaustin.
Even the way he attacked the ball in the collision with teammate Dylan Grimes that resulted in him being subbed out early against the Bulldogs last week reinforced his uncompromising charge at the football.
Captain Trent Cotchin is fearless also, but he is so good as a player and so valuable, there is the distinct possibility that he will be targeted for heavy physical attention from the opposition mob. And therefore he needs to keep his eyes on the contest and the ball — not the opposition.
Dustin Martin is a beast when he has the ball. Trade mark fend-offs and a right leg like a Scud missile launcher are his long suits. But for all the big, mean and nasty attributes that he seems to possess, no one fears playing against him.
He breaks opposition tackles but he doesn’t break their bones or their hearts. He needs to start, and in a fair manner within the rules, crunch and batter the opposition while still being a very good player. He is no longer the rookie prodigy, he is the present day star and he must make teammates follow him because of his attack.
This must happen tonight against an opponent who is also yet to find its identity this season.
Collingwood is a team that is attacking by nature but just not very good at scoring. At least not at this point in time anyway.
We know what they will try to do as they really attack hard through the middle and their midfielders do take balanced risks but the forwards are yet to truly mesh together.
I am still yet to decide whether or not Jamie Elliott is the real deal. Sometimes we need to look deeper than the tally of goals or the highlight package.
Most small forwards have a completely different skill set to him. Most are crumbing players that can chase, harass and tackle in their area. Most can also push into the midfield.
And some for an added bonus can take overhead marks.
For most of the others the overhead marking component is like the steak knives thrown into the end deal. So if Elliott, who is low for pressure acts, doesn’t push into the midfield and isn’t really a crumbing small forward, where does that leave him?
His long suit is his marking, but I can’t get my head around the thought that a spectacular mark here or there will compensate for his inadequacies in the other facets.
The accepted and balanced forward set up that Collingwood has preferred over more recent times is two key forwards and two high half-forwards that literally play as midfielders. And two more mid-range players that provide a mixture of pressure acts, lead-up marking and perhaps even slp in as a third tall forward.
Travis Cloke and Jesse White have the first two roles of target key forwards. Tyson Goldsack and Ben Reid, on return, will have the third tall and lead-up roles.
And that leaves Steele Sidebottom to be one of the high half-forwards. Elliot takes the sixth spot, which leaves them one high half-forward short.
Elliott neither crumbs, nor runs down the opposition. Therefore Collingwood lacks the pressure and crumbing attributes of one small forward. This imbalances them compared to other top teams.
The opposition may fear young Elliott’s leap and aerial attributes but once the ball hits the deck, there is not as much pressure as the other top tier teams place on defenders wanting to crumb and clear the ball.
And once Goldsack tires, the forward line pressure drops away severely.
Elliott reminds me a little of the former undersized full forward for Hawthorn in the mid 2000s Mark Williams.
Essentially a 5’11” marking forward who could kick his bag of goals semi-regularly, Hawthorn wasn’t going to be a venomous forward line outfit until there was other forwards playing bigger roles.
Williams then had to improve his other defensive attributes to complement the team. He did and he became a premiership player as a third or fourth string forward.
Another noticeable area for concern is the Cloke and White duo.
White got too far away from Cloke last weekend. You can’t crowd each other, but you definitely can’t play in another postcode.
And when that happened, the extra Geelong defender predictably peeled off and constantly made a two on one against Cloke when inside the attacking 25m range.
When White went further adrift up-field and the ball came down to Collingwood’s forward line, Cloke led to bad positions — hard up on the boundary line 60m out.
I would think the answer is to have Goldsack and even Elliot lead up and outside the 60m range. Then White can range from 25m to 60m and Cloke stays deep.
On the other hand Richmond definitely has the talent and the goal-kicking potency, the problem is we just don’t know when during a game they’ll start trying.
It wasn’t in the first half last week against the Western Bulldogs. Tonight it needs to be from the opening bounce.
Both sides know it’s a long way back when your season starts 1-3.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dermott-brereton-says-richmond-need-dustin-martin-to-rise-to-the-occasion-is-jamie-elliott-collingwoods-answer/story-fndv8t7m-1226880334448
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Put the guy in the guts. His contested possession average has dropped year on year from his first season where it was around 40% if I recall. His role has become too outside imo. He's a unit throw him in
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I'd much prefer to see blokes like thomas, arnot, jackson, even edwards, feeding it out to martin than the other way around
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I'd much prefer to see blokes like thomas, arnot, jackson, even edwards, feeding it out to martin than the other way around
I'd rather see Dusty win it himself, don't argue pricks and kick the goal. Less feeding more destruction. ;D
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reckon dermott hits the nail on the head.
so far this yr he is well down on disposals, laid just 5 tackles and his c/p to u/p ratio is just too lopsided. and hes not doing a lot of the little things like blocks and shepherds etc for team mates.
disposals aside you could level these things at dusty all of his career to date.how much of a better player would dusty be if he could just round his game of a bit more.
had to chuckle on some of the elliot comments when he said
i cant get my head around the thought that a screamer here or there will compensate for inadequacies in the other facets. replace the word screamer with goal and he could be talking about vickery.
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reckon dermott hits the nail on the head.
so far this yr he is well down on disposals, laid just 5 tackles and his c/p to u/p ratio is just too lopsided. and hes not doing a lot of the little things like blocks and shepherds etc for team mates.
disposals aside you could level these things at dusty all of his career to date.how much of a better player would dusty be if he could just round his game of a bit more.
had to chuckle on some of the elliot comments when he said
i cant get my head around the thought that a screamer here or there will compensate for inadequacies in the other facets. replace the word screamer with goal and he could be talking about vickery.
Agree, dusty has never laid a block or shepherd for a mate. He used to be an absolute beast on the inside. We needed to get his outside game up and running too but it's gone too far the other way.
We look like we need to draft some inside mids but we have Cotchin/Martin/Flossy/Conca. Only 1.5 are actually playing as one. Conca I counted as a half as he sometimes plays there.
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pretty sure that in the whole scheme of things, a goal has a ship load more value than a screamer.
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I'd much prefer to see blokes like thomas, arnot, jackson, even edwards, feeding it out to martin than the other way around
I'd rather see Dusty win it himself, don't argue pricks and kick the goal. Less feeding more destruction. ;D
yep ;D He could be a classic inside oputside beast like Judd circa WCE days
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pretty sure that in the whole scheme of things, a goal has a ship load more value than a screamer.
Not to us gen Y folk with our short attention spans. Give me a speccy any day. :lol
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:lol
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Dermo is spot on with this one. When Dusty has ball in hand he is absolutely unstoppable. When a team mate is under pressure or the opposition has it he really needs to do more.
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Less feeding more destruction. ;D
:lol
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I agree with dermie on this.
There are too many sissy's in our team.
Too many softies & sooks.
But that what happens to tough players recruited to Richmond now, unfortunately for us and new recruits are programmed for failure, mediocrity and limpwristedness.
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Wish we'd traded him. Would have gotten a good deal.
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
RICHMOND should take note of Dustin Martin’s devastating forward spell on Thursday night and keep the playmaker in attack, according to footy expert David King.
Martin played deep in the forward line and slotted 3.3 from 18 disposals to help spear the Tigers to their second victory this season ahead of clashes with top pair Hawthorn and Geelong.
The No. 3 draft pick was experimented as a half-back flanker over summer, with coach Damien Hardwick keen to unleash his creative ball use.
But King, who awarded Martin two votes in the 43-point belting of Brisbane Lions, said opposition clubs would be happy to see Martin head to the backline.
“He’s just such a damaging player. He’s so strong, he’s a good full-forward, he’s a good one-on-one player (and) he’s a good midfielder,” King said yesterday.
“I’m not sure whether Richmond have worked out how to best use him just yet. He’s such a hard match-up. When he gets the footy they score, so his 18 (touches) is better than other players’ 25s, 26s.
“His ability to break tackles and get shots away is something you need in the forward line and I think (Hardwick) will use him in the forward line.”
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
“He reminds me a bit of a Mark Riccuito. A guy who played half-back, midfield and forward as well,” Hardwick said.
“He’s only going to get better and better. He had six shots on goal and one taken away from him for a free kick, so if we can get that output from him every week it’s going to be a good result.”
Hardwick defended dropped forward Ty Vickery, saying he fell out of the side to aid team balance.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick addresses the media after his side's 106-63 victory over the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba.
“Those three guys (Vickery, Riewoldt and Ben Griffiths) individually have been playing OK. Collectively though it just wasn’t working for us, our first possession inside 50 was poor our score percentage was poor and we just had to make a change.
“Ty unfortunately was the guy to go that went out.”
Riewoldt said the Tigers did a bit of soul-searching after their horror opening month and he felt the pressure to perform.
“The club was in a tough position, and by no means are we out of that tough position yet. We’re still 2-3 and we want to get back to evening the ledger and start getting ahead of it,” he told the Tigers’ website.
“A 10-day break (before the Hawks) is a bit of a godsend on the back of two six-day breaks.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-should-play-dustin-martin-deep-in-attack-says-fox-footy-expert-david-king/story-fndv8t7m-1226889285654
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Reaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyyy....... :whistle :whistle :whistle
Al?????????
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
Never stopped them playing Richo up forward... :whistle
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
Stats say stuff all, if stats say it all Grigg was in Brownlow medal form last night. Backline my arse...he kicks the goals he needs to at the times we need him too.
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
Stats say stuff all, if stats say it all Grigg was in Brownlow medal form last night. Backline my arse...he kicks the goals he needs to at the times we need him too.
:clapping
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I agree with Kingy. Play him 70% forward and 30% in the midfield. Play him across half forward and then isolate him deep. Keep them guessing!
Take out Jack and Richo before him and who has been our next best forward over the last 15 years. We desperately need other avenues to goal and there is nothing on our list ATM that can hit the scoreboard regularly. Last year our backline worked well, our midfield was very good but our forwardline struggled. We have a weapon in Dusty, FFS Dimma use him forward and play Jack where he plays best too. We have some genuine match winners, let them play!
It's funny how it works, you kick more goals than your opposition and you win games. :shh
Imagine if we had a decent small man as well??
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Been mooted since we beat Sydney at the 'G in 2012 and he carved them up in the forward 50. King the hindsight hero strikes again.
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I agree with Kingy. Play him 70% forward and 30% in the midfield. Play him across half forward and then isolate him deep. Keep them guessing!
Take out Jack and Richo before him and who has been our next best forward over the last 15 years. We desperately need other avenues to goal and there is nothing on our list ATM that can hit the scoreboard regularly. Last year our backline worked well, our midfield was very good but our forwardline struggled. We have a weapon in Dusty, FFS Dimma use him forward and play Jack where he plays best too. We have some genuine match winners, let them play!
It's funny how it works, you kick more goals than your opposition and you win games. :shh
Imagine if we had a decent small man as well??
Jarrad Pickett - even claw likes him and he usually hates smalls! :shh
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Dusty is not a midfielder's backside. Doesn't work both ways near enough.
He was very sloppy the other night both with the ball and defensively.
I often wonder to myself if he is the cancer in this playing list?
Play him forward sure, maybe he'll snag a few goals but geez he is one of the most overrated players on our list.
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Dusty = Royce Hart
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I think the way they played him last night was the correct mix - first half mid, second half forward. He can run himself ragged through the guts then 'rest' forward. I also believe this will only work if we continue not to go too tall in our F50. We cant afford to see the ball rush out of our F50 because we are too weak at ground level and too slow to tackle/pressure. Keep mixing it up with Dysty, Cot h and Lids I say rather than two tall forwards and a resting ruck
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Next weeks article. "Richmond should be using Dusty as an inside mid"
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Reaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyyy....... :whistle :whistle :whistle
Al?????????
“He reminds me a bit of a Mark Riccuito. A guy who played half-back, midfield and forward as well,” Hardwick said.
OMFG WAT. THE COACH (HARDWICK, NOT ME) SAYS DUSTY IS LIKE ROO WHO ALSO PLAYED DOWN BACK. Now, wasn't Hardwick correct when he said he wanted more goals out of Cotch? Or do you only pick and choose quotes to suit your argument?
REAAALLLLYYY YEAAAAAH
COME ON BOYS. WE'RE ONLY 2-3, LETS GET OUR stuffing poo TOGETHER AND KICKING SOME stuffing ASS
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The leader of men has spoken :clapping :clapping
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Reaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyyyy....... :whistle :whistle :whistle
Al?????????
“He reminds me a bit of a Mark Riccuito. A guy who played half-back, midfield and forward as well,” Hardwick said.
OMFG WAT. THE COACH (HARDWICK, NOT ME) SAYS DUSTY IS LIKE ROO WHO ALSO PLAYED DOWN BACK. Now, wasn't Hardwick correct when he said he wanted more goals out of Cotch? Or do you only pick and choose quotes to suit your argument?
REAAALLLLYYY YEAAAAAH
COME ON BOYS. WE'RE ONLY 2-3, LETS GET OUR stuffING poo TOGETHER AND KICKING SOME stuffING ASS
Hardwicks plan for Dusty has clearly NOT worked, couldn't care less who he compares him to. Just because I agree with comments on Cotch it doesn't mean I agree with what he has done with Dusty or Reiwoldt for that matter, another decision he was wrong about!!!!!
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Dusty is not a midfielder's backside. Doesn't work both ways near enough.
He was very sloppy the other night both with the ball and defensively.
I often wonder to myself if he is the cancer in this playing list?
Play him forward sure, maybe he'll snag a few goals but geez he is one of the most overrated players on our list.
Rance, Dusty, who else is the cancer in this playing list?
::)
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Surely there are other ways to teach Dusty how to be more defensively minded then plonking him in the backline and have us lose games?
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He has been a natural goalkicker all his life, even as a 15 year old kid he was kicking bags of 4 and 5 off a half forward flank against men in the Bendigo Footy League.
Playing him in defence is about as stupid an idea as Hardwick has ever had.
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He has been a natural goalkicker all his life, even as a 15 year old kid he was kicking bags of 4 and 5 off a half forward flank against men in the Bendigo Footy League.
Playing him in defence is about as stupid an idea as Hardwick has ever had.
:clapping well that and playing Reiwoldt up the ground further!! Oh and trying to turn Griff into a defender for 2 years.....Oh and trying to make Edwards a utility...Oh.... :whistle
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He has been a natural goalkicker all his life, even as a 15 year old kid he was kicking bags of 4 and 5 off a half forward flank against men in the Bendigo Footy League.
Playing him in defence is about as stupid an idea as Hardwick has ever had.
:clapping well that and playing Reiwoldt up the ground further!! Oh and trying to turn Griff into a defender for 2 years.....Oh and trying to make Edwards a utility...Oh.... :whistle
...trying to turn Vickery into a specialist forward. Post into a defender. Grigg into a footballer.
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Completely with WAT and TBR here. He could do some damage across half back but his overall impact would be greatly reduced. So dangerous up forward. You can see opposition defenders soil themselves.
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l never read what King had to write & l wont.
If he knew anything he would be coaching right. But we were in our darkest when he was at the club. So please King you should be writing junk about your own club The failing KANGAROOS ;D
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
Never stopped them playing Richo up forward... :whistle
:lol I use to close my eyes every time he kicked for goal, how he kicked 800 goals baffles me.
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
Stats say stuff all, if stats say it all Grigg was in Brownlow medal form last night. Backline my arse...he kicks the goals he needs to at the times we need him too.
Hardly, he's kicked a couple of goals that have stood out and yes when we needed them, but that's it.
2013
23 goals and 32 behinds is NOT kicking goals when he needs to.
It's a shocking stat, even if he does have a shot from 50 out.
He needs to learn how to kick goals.
He creates beautifully and does a shitload of other fantastic stuff and yes he will be classed as elite one day.
He is a lazy kick for goal and needs to improve dramatically.
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i reckon what gets missed here and needs to be asked , is martin needed across hb ??? do we already have good options???
to me the answers are no martin is not needed across hb because we do have good options.
if we are looking for good users coming out use ellis. use deledio we use vlastuin hes a very good kick and hes a damn good decision maker. you want more grunt use conca across hb. we could try helbig there and ffs both dea and mcintosh some time this yr will need to be given games there. finally there is a very good and wise option to use lennon in his formative yr across h/b.
we have a bloke capable of kicking probably 40 45 even 50 goals a yr and give good service in the midfield while at it, thats more than any other option and we want to play him back when there are numerous options to play back there. go figure.
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He is a lazy kick for goal and needs to improve dramatically.
One thing I have noticed a few times this year when he is having set shots is that he looks like he is gasping that much for air, he takes a heap of time just standing and then almost has to rush the kick.
He is the only player this year I have been aware of the umpire pressuring him that the time for the set shot is almost up.
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He is a lazy kick for goal and needs to improve dramatically.
One thing I have noticed a few times this year when he is having set shots is that he looks like he is gasping that much for air, he takes a heap of time just standing and then almost has to rush the kick.
He is the only player this year I have been aware of the umpire pressuring him that the time for the set shot is almost up.
He's not fit enough. It's why his game is scattered with errors and he doesn't work hard enough defensively.
He'll forever have the tag 'one way player' until he corrects this.
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If Dusty was at Geelong or Hawks he'd be talked about as the greatest midfield/forward weapon the AFL has seen.
At Richmond he's inconsistant, lazy, disappointing etc etc.
Says it all.
It's the cycle of SKATA.
Fix the culture first!!!!
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He is a lazy kick for goal and needs to improve dramatically.
One thing I have noticed a few times this year when he is having set shots is that he looks like he is gasping that much for air, he takes a heap of time just standing and then almost has to rush the kick.
He is the only player this year I have been aware of the umpire pressuring him that the time for the set shot is almost up.
He's not fit enough. It's why his game is scattered with errors and he doesn't work hard enough defensively.
He'll forever have the tag 'one way player' until he corrects this.
So the question is why isn't he?
It's not like he isn't doing the program as directed by the club.
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick insists that playing Dustin Martin as a more permanent forward is not the solution.
“Wherever we feel we have a need for him, he’ll play,” Hardwick said.
“He’ll play a little bit midfield, also some forward again this week.
“He’ll go through various positions. He’s probably a bit like Hodge for Hawthorn, he goes forward, back, middle, and Dusty’s a little bit the same.
“For us, he’s a good player, he’s a dynamic player. He can get the ball going our way, he’s capable of winning one-on-ones, so he’s an important player to us.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-24/martins-versatility-a-weapon-for-tigers
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Just play him in the role he was good at. It wasn't broken. It didn't need fixing. Simple really. Fix the poo trucks that offer nothing.
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Just play him in the role he was good at. It wasn't broken. It didn't need fixing. Simple really. Fix the poo trucks that offer nothing.
:clapping yep stop getting too cute and just play players where they offer optimum output.
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I agree with Kingy. Play him 70% forward and 30% in the midfield. Play him across half forward and then isolate him deep. Keep them guessing!
Take out Jack and Richo before him and who has been our next best forward over the last 15 years. We desperately need other avenues to goal and there is nothing on our list ATM that can hit the scoreboard regularly. Last year our backline worked well, our midfield was very good but our forwardline struggled. We have a weapon in Dusty, FFS Dimma use him forward and play Jack where he plays best too. We have some genuine match winners, let them play!
It's funny how it works, you kick more goals than your opposition and you win games. :shh
Imagine if we had a decent small man as well??
agree
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Richmond should play Dustin Martin deep in attack, says Fox Footy expert David King
Herald-Sun
April 18, 2014 6:00PM
Martin booted 79.69 in 2011-3 and has amassed the clear second-most shots on goal for Richmond behind spearhead Jack Riewoldt in that time.
Riewoldt pointed to Martin’s 55 shots last year, saying the Tigers need him to get to dangerous spots, while Hardwick praised his versatility.
Martin is a crap kick for goal, stats say it all. He's a great kick for where he wants it to go, e.g another player, he just can't get it through the big ones often enough.
Centre or backline UNTIL he learns to kick straight for goal, and when he does, he will be awesome forward.
And the more he is exposed to kicking for goal the better he will get so chuck him into it. He isnt going to improve his goal kicking in the back line
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Just play him in the role he was good at. It wasn't broken. It didn't need fixing. Simple really. Fix the poo trucks that offer nothing.
:clapping yep stop getting too cute and just play players where they offer optimum output.
:clapping :clapping
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i reckon what gets missed here and needs to be asked , is martin needed across hb ??? do we already have good options???
to me the answers are no martin is not needed across hb because we do have good options.
if we are looking for good users coming out use ellis. use deledio we use vlastuin hes a very good kick and hes a damn good decision maker. you want more grunt use conca across hb. we could try helbig there and ffs both dea and mcintosh some time this yr will need to be given games there. finally there is a very good and wise option to use lennon in his formative yr across h/b.
we have a bloke capable of kicking probably 40 45 even 50 goals a yr and give good service in the midfield while at it, thats more than any other option and we want to play him back when there are numerous options to play back there. go figure.
At least you are trying to look at it in more than a superficial manner, and the question about do we need him accross half back is a fair one, although I'm not so convinced the answer is no.
I look at it another way.
With the cap on rotations players have to stay on the ground more and rotate through other positions rather than go off the ground.
If we look at some of the bokes who play through the midfield at times, which ones have the assets (long accurate kicking, mainly), to provide drive off half back, which after all, is what you want off half back
Thomas?
Foley?
Jackson?
Edwards?
conca?
cotchin?
arnot?
You can only afford so many many players who are limited to either on the ball or on the bench, and there are only so many spots in the forward line. So where does each player rotate through, and when they are there, what do you do with the others?
When you look at the whole picture of where each player rotates, its not so superficial as not being able to look past glorifying the person who actually kicks the goal and taking into account the work further up the ground that provides the goal kicking opportunities in the first place.
LMAO @ those swinging off David Kings nuts just because he agrees with them. Any other time he gets bagged for being a stuff wit
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Erm...
Do we need Martin @ hb
Yes
Unless no one has noticed we are pretty shyte
I'd be loading up with deledio Martin vlastuin types behindthe ball
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^ which would you prefer martin or Lids on hbf?
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Thats not really a decision that needs to be made, as deledio plays predominately off hb with stints on the ball. there is no need for delidio to be elswhere just because martin has a stint at hb
a more pertinent question would be who do you prefer off half back when delidio goes on the ball, martin or jackson?
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If that's the question then would say martin, and jacko on the bench pouring coolade for grigg and Co :shh
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Hardwick recognised we were weak at HB and tried to move Dusty back there to generate run.
That makes sense but he's poor defensively and is a weak short kick of the ball so it didn't work.
Ok, change it up again so he goes forward where he is more effective but our ball use is still weak again at HB.
We have plenty of forward options but not so many players who are capable of run and carry in the half back role which remains a concern.
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i reckon what gets missed here and needs to be asked , is martin needed across hb ??? do we already have good options???
to me the answers are no martin is not needed across hb because we do have good options.
if we are looking for good users coming out use ellis. use deledio we use vlastuin hes a very good kick and hes a damn good decision maker. you want more grunt use conca across hb. we could try helbig there and ffs both dea and mcintosh some time this yr will need to be given games there. finally there is a very good and wise option to use lennon in his formative yr across h/b.
we have a bloke capable of kicking probably 40 45 even 50 goals a yr and give good service in the midfield while at it, thats more than any other option and we want to play him back when there are numerous options to play back there. go figure.
At least you are trying to look at it in more than a superficial manner, and the question about do we need him accross half back is a fair one, although I'm not so convinced the answer is no.
I look at it another way.
With the cap on rotations players have to stay on the ground more and rotate through other positions rather than go off the ground.
If we look at some of the bokes who play through the midfield at times, which ones have the assets (long accurate kicking, mainly), to provide drive off half back, which after all, is what you want off half back
Thomas?
Foley?
Jackson?
Edwards?
conca?
cotchin?
arnot?
You can only afford so many many players who are limited to either on the ball or on the bench, and there are only so many spots in the forward line. So where does each player rotate through, and when they are there, what do you do with the others?
When you look at the whole picture of where each player rotates, its not so superficial as not being able to look past glorifying the person who actually kicks the goal and taking into account the work further up the ground that provides the goal kicking opportunities in the first place.
LMAO @ those swinging off David Kings nuts just because he agrees with them. Any other time he gets bagged for being a stuff wit
I think first and foremost as a backman you have to be able to defend. Forget kicking or marking, you have to be able to defend! And Dusty is not known for his defense, he is known for his attacking footy and his penetrating kicking.
Lids is a much better all round footballer who should be used across HB. I wouldn't say that has been his toll for two years now. We have Vlastuin and Lids that should be our HB's.
Also with rotations, if managed right can still be done successfully with the on-ballers rotating through the forwardline and then coming off for a break. The numbers are still high enough that your stars on-ballers don't have to rotate through the backline.
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Hardwick recognised we were weak at HB and tried to move Dusty back there to generate run.
That makes sense but he's poor defensively and is a weak short kick of the ball so it didn't work.
Ok, change it up again so he goes forward where he is more effective but our ball use is still weak again at HB.
We have plenty of forward options but not so many players who are capable of run and carry in the half back role which remains a concern.
Why not make Ellis that player Or Conca?
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i reckon what gets missed here and needs to be asked , is martin needed across hb ??? do we already have good options???
to me the answers are no martin is not needed across hb because we do have good options.
if we are looking for good users coming out use ellis. use deledio we use vlastuin hes a very good kick and hes a damn good decision maker. you want more grunt use conca across hb. we could try helbig there and ffs both dea and mcintosh some time this yr will need to be given games there. finally there is a very good and wise option to use lennon in his formative yr across h/b.
we have a bloke capable of kicking probably 40 45 even 50 goals a yr and give good service in the midfield while at it, thats more than any other option and we want to play him back when there are numerous options to play back there. go figure.
At least you are trying to look at it in more than a superficial manner, and the question about do we need him accross half back is a fair one, although I'm not so convinced the answer is no.
I look at it another way.
With the cap on rotations players have to stay on the ground more and rotate through other positions rather than go off the ground.
If we look at some of the bokes who play through the midfield at times, which ones have the assets (long accurate kicking, mainly), to provide drive off half back, which after all, is what you want off half back
Thomas?
Foley?
Jackson?
Edwards?
conca?
cotchin?
arnot?
You can only afford so many many players who are limited to either on the ball or on the bench, and there are only so many spots in the forward line. So where does each player rotate through, and when they are there, what do you do with the others?
When you look at the whole picture of where each player rotates, its not so superficial as not being able to look past glorifying the person who actually kicks the goal and taking into account the work further up the ground that provides the goal kicking opportunities in the first place.
LMAO @ those swinging off David Kings nuts just because he agrees with them. Any other time he gets bagged for being a stuff wit
I think first and foremost as a backman you have to be able to defend. Forget kicking or marking, you have to be able to defend! And Dusty is not known for his defense, he is known for his attacking footy and his penetrating kicking.
Lids is a much better all round footballer who should be used across HB. I wouldn't say that has been his toll for two years now. We have Vlastuin and Lids that should be our HB's.
Also with rotations, if managed right can still be done successfully with the on-ballers rotating through the forwardline and then coming off for a break. The numbers are still high enough that your stars on-ballers don't have to rotate through the backline.
i dont subscibe to the idea that if someone is poor defensively you pander to that . Id rather they be forced to get out of their comfort zone and improve themselves as footballers. with the way the game is played can you afford anyone to be poor defensively?
Even forwards are expected to have a strong defensive game today. the days of the forward watching the backmen easily take the ball out of defense and rely others to do the hard work and send it in again are long gone ( at least for the good sides ).
so while you are right about defenders needing to be able to defend, every player on your team needs to be able to defend. Once the ball is between you and your goals, you become a defender.
As for dusty's strength being attacking footy and penetrating kicking, that is exactly what i want off half back. ( yeah you'd like to have it everywhere, but kicking a goal takes less skill and decision making than setting up attacks from half back)
On the rotations, im not convinced we have enough enough good, proven, footballers, those that are versatile enough, to rotate through half back, midfield and forward, to have the luxury of rotating one of the few that are, solely forward.
Particularly when we are carrying some that you cant even rotate through the forward line, let alone through half back.
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I have never seen Jeff Garlett play in the back line to improve his defensive side. He is told to improve his defensive forward skills as a forward and if he doesn't he goes to the VFL side to learn them.
You don't have to learn to play defence in the back line. All players are required to have defensive side to their game.
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where does this need to play in defense to learn defensive skills come from?
that is not an argument of mine. what i said above was that i don't believe that just because a player is poor defensively you should base where he plays on that - dont be afraid to make him face it head on and definitely dont pander to it, The only reason i even said that was because Tone said that you should not play him at half back because he is poor defensively, which is pandering to a weakness, IMO.
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where does this need to play in defense to learn defensive skills come from?
that is not an argument of mine. what i said above was that i don't believe that just because a player is poor defensively you should base where he plays on that - dont be afraid to make him face it head on and definitely dont pander to it, The only reason i even said that was because Tone said that you should not play him at half back because he is poor defensively, which is pandering to a weakness, IMO.
Back flankers are midfielders that are either young and learning midfielders or midfielders that cannot quite make it in the midfield. Your best players play in the middle or up forward.
Spoken from a past forward :whistle :cheers
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;D
spose then youve worked out your arguing with a backman.
though when i was younger there was still the attitude of putting the bad kicks down back, something i could never work out to be honest.
while the midfield is the engine room i view the half back line as the most pivotal in the ground. that's the springboard from where you set up attack from defense. its why many clubs now have defensive forwards, basically to tag dangerous half backs. it's highly unlikely king would still be playing if he hadn't of switched from the backline to forward
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Damn this bloke escapes scrutiny for his defensive game. It's completely non existent.
One way footballer who the opposition must loving playing because he is so lazy.
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Has peaked as an RFC footballer
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Will leave the club after his contract expires, probably already regretting hanging around. The problem with Martin is he has read too much of his own publicity when he first came on the scene and thinks the game is easier than it is. Certainly doesn't do the hard yards defensively but also doesn't seem especially creative even when he does have the ball. Simply trying to fend off opposition players works to a point but if the next disposal is off target then immediately we are on the defensive. Seems to be another player at the moment who doesn't really know what his role is, totally confused with this ridiculous theory of being played in every position on the field for experience, he'll probably be playing in the ruck against the Cats.
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Can anyone explain to me why it took until the 2nd qtr for him to be moved into the centre?
No point in plonking and leaving him in the F50 if the ball isn't getting in there
Bizarre
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Wasted
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His role is to work harder when he doesn't have the ball. Wouldn't be accepted at a better club.
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Would like to see footage of where the players pull a position from a lucky dip bag before each game. Martin would be saying damn i got that one last week.
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On ball & up forward - nowhere else.
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Can anyone explain to me why it took until the 2nd qtr for him to be moved into the centre?
No point in plonking and leaving him in the F50 if the ball isn't getting in there
Bizarre
The same thing will happen next week too. Hardwick does not even notice that stuff
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
Aren't elicit substances suppose to help you train harder.
Where is Ben Cousins... :whistle
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
He was a beast midfielder in his first 2 seasons, why has he gone backwards?
he should be fitter after 4-5 preseasons not worse off, somethings amiss with the way hes being prepared, whether that be the clubs directive or his own, i dont know
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Spot on TM
His not fit why?
Matrix is injured why?
Club is to blame in both these examples
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
Why don't the club tell him to either get fit or play for Coburg VFL team
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Plays about 10 mins a game. I hate him
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Would play VFL at a decent club. That's why no one wanted him. Can't believe we nearly got pick 2 & 20 off Melbourne for him. :lol
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
Why don't the club tell him to either get fit or play for Coburg VFL team
Because even unfit he is best 22. I tell you what though I so drop him for his weak defensive efforts.
When was his last desperate tackle?
When were his last 2nd or 3rd efforts?
When did he last launch himself to smother the football?
Where is his desperation?
Footy is not just about when you have the ball Dustin.
I have said it before and I still believe it this bloke is a cancer in the club.
Can't tolerate laziness, it's a bad apple that effects others.
Culture.
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
Why don't the club tell him to either get fit or play for Coburg VFL team
Because even unfit he is best 22. I tell you what though I so drop him for his weak defensive efforts.
When was his last desperate tackle?
When were his last 2nd or 3rd efforts?
When did he last launch himself to smother the football?
Where is his desperation?
Footy is not just about when you have the ball Dustin.
I have said it before and I still believe it this bloke is a cancer in the club.
Can't tolerate laziness, it's a bad apple that effects others.
Culture.
Exactly. He's not on his own but maybe dropping one of our "guns" for lack of effort would send a message to everyone that this crap isn't acceptable. Dropping Vickery certainly didn't fix it and we can't drop 15-18 blokes.
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
Why don't the club tell him to either get fit or play for Coburg VFL team
Because even unfit he is best 22. I tell you what though I so drop him for his weak defensive efforts.
When was his last desperate tackle?
When were his last 2nd or 3rd efforts?
When did he last launch himself to smother the football?
Where is his desperation?
Footy is not just about when you have the ball Dustin.
I have said it before and I still believe it this bloke is a cancer in the club.
Can't tolerate laziness, it's a bad apple that effects others.
Culture.
Exactly. He's not on his own but maybe dropping one of our "guns" for lack of effort would send a message to everyone that this crap isn't acceptable. Dropping Vickery certainly didn't fix it and we can't drop 15-18 blokes.
Carlton did this and put the blow torch on themselves. Instead we come out and say we're better than last year.
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Why do people keep saying Dusty is a midfielder?
Isn't it apparent by now that he's not fit enough? There is a reason he gets played on the flanks.
No tank.
Please stop saying he should play on the ball. Midfielders are expected to run all day both ways.
Dusty quite simply cannot so let's stop the charade.
Why don't the club tell him to either get fit or play for Coburg VFL team
Because even unfit he is best 22. I tell you what though I so drop him for his weak defensive efforts.
When was his last desperate tackle?
When were his last 2nd or 3rd efforts?
When did he last launch himself to smother the football?
Where is his desperation?
Footy is not just about when you have the ball Dustin.
I have said it before and I still believe it this bloke is a cancer in the club.
Can't tolerate laziness, it's a bad apple that effects others.
Culture.
Exactly. He's not on his own but maybe dropping one of our "guns" for lack of effort would send a message to everyone that this crap isn't acceptable. Dropping Vickery certainly didn't fix it and we can't drop 15-18 blokes.
Carlton did this and put the blow torch on themselves. Instead we come out and say we're better than last year.
Are you trying to say we haven't improved? Didn't notice myself. :shh
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They should put titties on the backs of opposition players, he would start to chase and tackle then
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They should put titties on the backs of opposition players, he would start to chase and tackle then
Lmfao :lol :lol :lol :lol
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:lol
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Because even unfit he is best 22. I tell you what though I so drop him for his weak defensive efforts.
When was his last desperate tackle?
When were his last 2nd or 3rd efforts?
When did he last launch himself to smother the football?
Where is his desperation?
Dont' know when his last of any of the above where but would think if reckon they would be recently. Pretty sure I saw some 2nd & 3rd efforts last week up in brissie. Pretty sure I saw a tackle yesterday once he was put in the guts
As I said a bit hard to do any of the above when he is sitting down in the F50 and we are playing kick to kick followed by turnover in the Hawls F50
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Dusty discusses football with Richo.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-08/dusty-discusses-football-with-richo
Martin’s big midfield ambition
richmondfc.com.au
May 8, 2014 1:52 PM
Richmond young gun Dustin Martin has revealed his on-field aspirations in an exclusive interview with Tiger great Matthew Richardson on ‘Roar Vision’.
Martin, who embraced the challenge of being used in a different role across half-back early this year, and has also been in damaging form up forward, is setting his sights firmly on developing into an A-grade midfielder.
“I want to become one of the elite midfielders of the competition,” Martin declared.
The talented 22-year-old is fully aware of what he has to do to achieve his goal.
“I’ve just got to play very good footy on a consistent basis, and be well-rounded – offense, defence, tackles, all that kind of stuff,” he said.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-08/martins-big-midfield-ambition
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Drop martin. Lol.
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IMO Martin is the kind of guy who will achieve what he sets out to do as an athlete.
He said 'I was born to play AFL'. Can't disagree so far...
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If he was at Geelong he'd already be an elite A grade midfielder of the competition.
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If he was at Geelong he'd already be an elite A grade midfielder of the competition.
Tigeritis?
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If he was at Geelong he'd already be an elite A grade midfielder of the competition.
Tigeritis?
:yep
Fraid it so sonny, we may just have :whistle to amputate
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If he was at Geelong he'd already be an elite A grade midfielder of the competition.
Tigeritis?
look at him. 4 years in the game and still unfit.
Burge doing a great job down there
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Martin tackles leadership
richmondfc.com.au
May 9, 2014
“I’m in my fifth year now, so it’s time for me to stand up and become more of a leader, which I’m slowly starting to do,” Martin told Tiger great Matthew Richardson in an exclusive ‘Roar Vision’ interview.
“There’s definitely more responsibility on myself and the other guys that have been here a while now.”
“I think I’m just okay at the moment. I definitely think I’ve got my best footy to play after the bye, so I’m definitely looking forward to attacking the second half of the season,” he said.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-05-09/martin-tackles-leadership-
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Insightful.
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If he was at Geelong he'd already be an elite A grade midfielder of the competition.
Tigeritis?
look at him. 4 years in the game and still unfit.
Burge doing a great job down there
You can lead a horse to water..
Two words. Personal responsibility.
Martin heads our most overrated player list.
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If he was at Geelong he'd already be an elite A grade midfielder of the competition.
Tigeritis?
look at him. 4 years in the game and still unfit.
Burge doing a great job down there
You can lead a horse to water..
Two words. Personal responsibility.
Martin heads our most overrated player list.
Your argument might have more merit if it wasn't a reoccurring theme at our club.
....or are we just unlucky in that we somehow manage to consistently recruit players who lack "personal responsibilty"?
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Dumb, plays footy good, may leave cause his derp at least his honest love dusty.
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Dumb, plays footy good
He's the Anti-Jackson.
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Dumb, plays footy good, may leave cause his derp at least his honest love dusty.
Cool sentence, bro! :thumbsup
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Dumb, plays footy good
He's the Anti-Jackson.
:clapping
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Dumb, plays footy good
He's the Anti-Jackson.
:lol :clapping
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Martin = God, do not knock the duster!!!
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I personally think Dusty is our most valuable player. He just needs to play 4 quarters more often.
When he gets the footy he makes things happen.
Put him in the middle and let him win us some games.
Bloody star!!
Thoughts?
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Any side that can't succeed with both Cotchin & Martin in it's midfield should be had up on charges of crimes against football.
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Any side that can't succeed with both Cotchin & Martin in it's midfield should be had up on charges of crimes against football.
Add Deledio to that list and we have midfield cream but we never seem to get all 3 firing in the same game.
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Think what happened against GWS has to happen all the time and stuff dimmas thoughts;
Martin in the middle
Lids hbf pushing up
Jack the sole target forward
Pettard in the magoos for ever
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Last 2 weeks he's played majority of the game in the guts and got over 30 possessions and played 4 qtrs.
about time the penny dropped
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Think what happened against GWS has to happen all the time and stuff dimmas thoughts;
Martin in the middle
Lids hbf pushing up
Jack the sole target forward
Pettard in the magoos for ever
Guess who's still the senior coach, so you can expect
Martin mainly forward
Lids to the guts/forward
Jack out from goal with Vickery to FF
Petterd in for Jackson.
Can't have the coach and his panel to be shown to be clueless, boneheaded idiots that demotivate naturally competitive and skilled sportsmen.
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Think what happened against GWS has to happen all the time and stuff dimmas thoughts;
Martin in the middle
Lids hbf pushing up
Jack the sole target forward
Pettard in the magoos for ever
Guess who's still the senior coach, so you can expect
Martin mainly forward
Lids to the guts/forward
Jack out from goal with Vickery to FF
Petterd in for Jackson.
Can't have the coach and his panel to be shown to be clueless, boneheaded idiots that demotivate naturally competitive and skilled sportsmen.
Lol true
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Gets a lot of wraps for his offensive work but doesn't have a defensive bone in his body.
One way footballer with a poor work ethic who we should look to trade for something better and I don't care if he's leading the JDM or not.
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Gets a lot of wraps for his offensive work but doesn't have a defensive bone in his body.
One way footballer with a poor work ethic who we should look to trade for something better and I don't care if he's leading the JDM or not.
I'm interested why you think he has a "poor work ethic"
Is it because he hasn't got a great tank? Richo was asked about that in Sunday on 3AW, he said it had nothing to do with him not working hard or being fit, said aerobically he just doesn't have a big tank but it had improved over the last 12-18 months but there was still room for improvement. Also said he works extremely hard at training
Defensively he was helluva lot better than some of his team mates on the weekend. I think the defensive side of his game has improved alot but still needs to improve alot more
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I'm interested why you think he has a "poor work ethic"
Barely tackles. Hardly ever picks up an opponent and 1%s are near non existent.
Not interested in blue collar football at all. If that's due to his engine, then it's only got 2 cylinders.
Pretty good offensive game which many get blinkered by but he's nowhere near the complete footballer.
Premiership teams require it but I can't see it changing.
As I have said before that is a cancer on the team when they don't see supposed elite players working hard in those areas.
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Ive seen a massive improvement in his defensive work ethic since the brisbane game tbh, prior to that MM had a point, since then dimma has given him more time in the middle and Ive seen him chasing and tackling with a lot more verve
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He's looking slow though. Seeing him get pinged for holding the ball more times this year than ever before.
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Martin's lack of defensive effort is the least of our worries - unlike the other bludgers, he can do damage when he has it , in fact I'd love to have 5 Dustin Martins - one back, one forward , one inside, one outside and a sub just to take the pee.
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Martin's lack of defensive effort is the least of our worries - unlike the other bludgers, he can do damage when he has it , in fact I'd love to have 5 Dustin Martins - one back, one forward , one inside, one outside and a sub just to take the pee.
Agree you could say that he is at least half way there, compared to our half a team of spuds who don't impact defending or attacking
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He's looking slow though. Seeing him get pinged for holding the ball more times this year than ever before.
Perhaps bc he's working harder and therefore more fatigued?
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Anyone hear those comments from Hinkley a few weeks ago regarding Wingard wanting to come off the ground during the showdown and Hinkley making him stay on? Said something along the lines of Wingard too easily showing his tiredness and wanting to make hi, learn about playing through & really busting a gut and what level of effort was required at AFL level.
I wonder if Hardwick was listening as I noticed on Saturday night Martin -who seemingly gets rotated every 5 minutes- running towards the interchange after kicking a goal, expecting to come off and being sent back, looking quite stunned & bemused, almost as if he was suffering from culture shock.
It's all about the standards you create and the standards you accept.
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Gets a lot of wraps for his offensive work but doesn't have a defensive bone in his body.
One way footballer with a poor work ethic who we should look to trade for something better and I don't care if he's leading the JDM or not.
You can count on two fingers the number of AFL standard players we have on our list and Martin is one of them but you want to trade him ? LMFAO Congratulations on winning ' dumbass post of the year award '
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Gets a lot of wraps for his offensive work but doesn't have a defensive bone in his body.
One way footballer with a poor work ethic who we should look to trade for something better and I don't care if he's leading the JDM or not.
You can count on two fingers the number of AFL standard players we have on our list and Martin is one of them but you want to trade him ? LMFAO Congratulations on winning ' dumbass post of the year award '
+1
If anything our basic strategy for next year's draft should be "more kids similar to Dustin Martin onfield". (well that and pace anyway)
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He's looking slow though. Seeing him get pinged for holding the ball more times this year than ever before.
I've noticed that too. I don't think it's a pace thing though. In all fairness there are a number of times he'll get a handball receive when there is an opponent(s) <3m from him. What is something he needs to work on is that I do see him go for the don't argue instinctively (like against Joel Selwood) and it's not always the best choice. He doesn't have the vision Scott Pendlebury does in high traffic but I much rather him at least run and try to take the game on when there is no other option than to bomb it forward blindly.
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He's looking slow though. Seeing him get pinged for holding the ball more times this year than ever before.
that would be because he is getting his own ball this year & is playing great football. You will see every player get nail who gets leather poisoning ;D
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His recent form has been very good.
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Anyone hear those comments from Hinkley a few weeks ago regarding Wingard wanting to come off the ground during the showdown and Hinkley making him stay on? Said something along the lines of Wingard too easily showing his tiredness and wanting to make hi, learn about playing through & really busting a gut and what level of effort was required at AFL level.
I wonder if Hardwick was listening as I noticed on Saturday night Martin -who seemingly gets rotated every 5 minutes- running towards the interchange after kicking a goal, expecting to come off and being sent back, looking quite stunned & bemused, almost as if he was suffering from culture shock.
It's all about the standards you create and the standards you accept.
I did hear hinkley say that and I saw that incident with martin last week too against GWS
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His disposal is still very ordinary
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I just remember that breakout game against Nought in 2011 and what we have now.
Whilst I recognise that raw talent we had then was not going to be the same player now there is no flair in his play either and someone who is inclined to have flair and brilliance should not be stifled.
All we have now is a solid citizen of a footballer and as someone said the other night he was a clearance machine a few years back now he's a handball receive machine which whilst not 100% right it does happen regularly in games.
Back then he was a could be anything footballer and the sky was the limit I just think the coaching gameplan or whatever have just stifled his bullishness, creativity and brilliance much to the detriment of player and RFC.
The way he's playing show he's got an appetite for the game but clearly to me from my vantage point he has been told to curb his aggressiveness.
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3. Dusty's first-half masterclass
There would be few in the league who boast the same skillset as Richmond's Dustin Martin and it was a pleasure to watch him put it all on show in the first half against the Kangaroos. The 22-year-old kicked four goals to go along with 19 first-half possession as he almost singlehandedly propelled his side to a 35-point half-time lead. The star Tiger was quieted a little in the second half as the Roos took charge of the game, but he was still his side's best player as he finished with 28 disposals and four goals. In a disappointing year for Richmond, Martin's performances have been something for suffering Tigers fans to applaud.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-08/five-talking-points-north-melbourne-v-richmond
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Absolute star. Thank stuff he didn't leave!!!
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The bad things he does in games are so costly
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Only bloke doing anything either end of the ground. That's why his mistakes looked so costly IMO.
Mile ahead of the pack tonight.
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That first half was as best a half I've seen from a mid/forward type player all year. :thumbsup
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The bad things he does in games are so costly
Costly because we were still in it thanks to him in the first place. Geez you're stuffing clueless sometimes.
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Exactly. At least he stuffing runs one way. Better than the other gimps
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He did the best he could've last night. He racked up 19 possessions and 4 goals by half time. It would've been ridiculous to expect him to kick another 4 and against the flow to keep us in the match.
It was the only consolation I could take from yesterday evening.
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Best natural player at the club by 500 miles
And they tried to change him. Lol
I'm glad he hates the club and dies his own thing. Lol
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Best natural player at the club by 500 miles
And they tried to change him. Lol
I'm glad he hates the club and dies his own thing. Lol
Is the only player giving 100% out of the lot or regulars
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Agree
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
Was doing too well as a mid/fwd. Needed to change things up.
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Too much focus on vanity and lifestyle.
Not enough on getting fit enough to play two halves
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Too much focus on vanity and lifestyle.
Not enough on getting fit enough to play two halves
it's true.
Had he been elite fit he would have won the game on his own
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Too much focus on vanity and lifestyle.
Not enough on getting fit enough to play two halves
it's true.
Had he been elite fit he would have won the game on his own
Too bad they don't award first innings points like they do in the Sheffield Shield.
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Too much focus on vanity and lifestyle.
Not enough on getting fit enough to play two halves
it's true.
Had he been elite fit he would have won the game on his own
in theory. But how many players do you see get 19 possessions and 4 goals in a half and then go on to get 38 possessions and 8 goals by full time? Not even Ablett, Pendlebury, or Swan could've singlehandedly won us the match given the way the rest of the team packed up their bags and left after half time.
It was unfortunate Martin tapered off but that's where you would hope the other midfielders clamp down on the opposition. He single handedly pretty much set up out lead. I hold no grudge against him for the effort he put in.
May I suggest we play a game where we don't bag out the only player who played well great last night?
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Im his biggest supporter.
Ox's Golden Maori Child
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
x 1000000, but the know all don't agree....teach him to defend.....bla bla stuffing bla.
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First half was terrific no doubt but like others went missing completely in the 2nd half.
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
x 1000000, but the know all don't agree....teach him to defend.....bla bla stuffing bla.
LMAO
His work off half half back and the middle set us up in the first half. On at least three occasions he set up forward thrusts with long accurate passes from half back that sliced Norths zone defence up. What a waste having someone on half back doing that.
Martin was largely responsible for getting the momentum our way which then allowed the luxury of plonking him him forward.
unfortunately in the second half we got smashed out of the middle and across half back so having him forward was about as effective as having him on the bench.
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He also made a lot of errors in the 2nd half. When/if Dustin can regularly turn it on for a full game and improve his defensive game then he'll be an elite player in the competition. Until then in the overall scheme of things he remains just a good player.
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Too much focus on vanity and lifestyle.
Not enough on getting fit enough to play two halves
it's true.
Had he been elite fit he would have won the game on his own
in theory. But how many players do you see get 19 possessions and 4 goals in a half and then go on to get 38 possessions and 8 goals by full time? Not even Ablett, Pendlebury, or Swan could've singlehandedly won us the match given the way the rest of the team packed up their bags and left after half time.
It was unfortunate Martin tapered off but that's where you would hope the other midfielders clamp down on the opposition. He single handedly pretty much set up out lead. I hold no grudge against him for the effort he put in.
May I suggest we play a game where we don't bag out the only player who played well great last night?
Didn't mean he had to finish with ten goals and forty touches.
But if your going to do nothing in 2nd half - at least don't give away silly frees
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Martin to build on strong start
Adrian Ceddia
June 12, 2014
Dynamic Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin believes maintaining consistency is the key to continuing his strong start to the 2014 season.
After the first 12 rounds of the year, Martin is averaging per game more disposals (26) and goals (1.5) than in 2013, when he finished runner-up in the Jack Dyer Medal.
He leads the competition for average kicks per match (17.3), leads the Tigers for inside 50s, uncontested possessions and average disposals, and is second on the Club’s goalkicking list with 17, behind Jack Riewoldt.
A further boost to his fitness levels has enabled him to run out games more than he ever has before.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-12/martin-to-build-on-strong-start
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
x 1000000, but the know all don't agree....teach him to defend.....bla bla stuffing bla.
LMAO
His work off half half back and the middle set us up in the first half. On at least three occasions he set up forward thrusts with long accurate passes from half back that sliced Norths zone defence up. What a waste having someone on half back doing that.
Martin was largely responsible for getting the momentum our way which then allowed the luxury of plonking him him forward.
unfortunately in the second half we got smashed out of the middle and across half back so having him forward was about as effective as having him on the bench.
Yeah, LMFAO at your supposed logic, the same Logic you tried and keep trying every time we lose which has been all all season. He got the momentum forward by playing centre, not back and when he ended up forward he kicked goals.
There is only so much he can do.
I suppose you also condone the Morris move forward, stuff me, that's worked a treat.. :whistle
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Yeah stuff me stuffing
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and some of you stuffwits wanted him gone.
NFI !!
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and some of you stuffwits wanted him gone.
NFI !!
Yeah the forum experts that didn't want to pay him his worth, couple of them posting at the moment.
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I'd still trade him. Might get us a true gun midfielder who can run both ways for 120m.
Some of you 'stuff wits' carry on like he's the best player in the league. Miles from it. Miles.
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Yet you expect he could get us a true gun midfielder who can run both ways for 120m.....
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Probably have to add a draft pick but there are plenty who overate him so may not be necessary.
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I'd still trade him. Might get us a true gun midfielder who can run both ways for 120m.
Some of you 'stuff wits' carry on like he's the best player in the league. Miles from it. Miles.
Ooh yeah let's trade him, who for fyfe or dangerfield or pendlebury , :lol :banghead
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Ooh yeah let's trade him, who for fyfe or dangerfield or pendlebury , :lol :banghead
We wouldn't get near those guys for a straight swap. Other clubs would laugh.
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One of the most destructive mids in the game
/end
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I'd still trade him. Might get us a true gun midfielder who can run both ways for 120m.
Some of you 'stuff wits' carry on like he's the best player in the league. Miles from it. Miles.
But good on Shane Edwards for getting a 2 year contract extension. :shh
That's gold Magic. :lol :rollin :lol
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:whistle
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But good on Shane Edwards for getting a 2 year contract extension. :shh
That's gold Magic. :lol :rollin :lol
I like Shane but obviously he isn't as good a player as Martin, nor is he paid near as much.
He's also not worth near as much as a trade otherwise I'd suggest we use him to land a genuine quality mid as well.
Our club only has one elite midfielder right now called Trent Cotchin who is carrying the entire weight of the RFC on his shoulders.
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But good on Shane Edwards for getting a 2 year contract extension. :shh
That's gold Magic. :lol :rollin :lol
I like Shane but obviously he isn't as good a player as Martin, nor is he paid near as much.
He's also not worth near as much as a trade otherwise I'd suggest we use him to land a genuine quality mid as well.
Our club only has one elite midfielder right now called Trent Cotchin who is carrying the entire weight of the RFC on his shoulders.
If I had to pick a "good" mid from the club as trade bait in lieu of a rebuild I'd spruike Lids.
Martin for me is younger and more explosive.
Lids atm is also playing like he does not want to be there.
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Lids has officially given up.
FHO.
If only Cotchin learnt to kick, we could trade him too ;D
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If we traded Deledio & Riewoldt and ended up with say, Fyfe & Cameron or Patton and still had high picks would anyone really be upset?
If we traded Rance & Conca back to WA in a 3-way involving GWS and got say Jacksch and a pick inside the top 20?
You have to give quality to get quality.
Shankwards should get us third or fourth rounder....nothing to be sneezed at in an uncompromised draft
Try and get O'Rourke.
Vickery trade.
If all this did happen then I would consider targeting Mundy as a free agent.
Use the full rookie list Rookie someone like Shane Nelson and some x-factor kids from the top end, GC cast-offs, a young ruckman.
Grigg & Houli become depth players while were stuck with them. Ellis plays Grigg's roll. Helbig, Arnott, McIntosh, Dea, Miles become regulars. McDonough mainly up forward.
Admit we stuffed up with Hampsud - stick him the VFL and hopefully he'll get disillusioned and quit a year early.
Knights, Thomarse, Gordon, Lloyd, Banfumbles, Williams, Newman, Stephenson, King - see ya later.
Whatever Port's paying Burgess - offer him double and pay out Port. Either way - new fitness staff.
Get blokes like Voss, Ling & Bassett as assistants. Knights for the ressies.
Sadly will never happen but that's roughly the kind of off-season & 2015 I'd love to see.
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If we traded Deledio & Riewoldt and ended up with say, Fyfe & Cameron or Patton and still had high picks would anyone really be upset?
If we traded Rance & Conca back to WA in a 3-way involving GWS and got say Jacksch and a pick inside the top 20?
You have to give quality to get quality.
Shankwards should get us third or fourth rounder....nothing to be sneezed at in an uncompromised draft
Try and get O'Rourke.
Vickery trade.
If all this did happen then I would consider targeting Mundy as a free agent.
Use the full rookie list Rookie someone like Shane Nelson and some x-factor kids from the top end, GC cast-offs, a young ruckman.
Grigg & Houli become depth players while were stuck with them. Ellis plays Grigg's roll. Helbig, Arnott, McIntosh, Dea, Miles become regulars. McDonough mainly up forward.
Admit we stuffed up with Hampsud - stick him the VFL and hopefully he'll get disillusioned and quit a year early.
Knights, Thomarse, Gordon, Lloyd, Banfumbles, Williams, Newman, Stephenson - see ya later.
Whatever Port's paying Burgess - offer him double and pay out Port. Either way - new fitness staff.
Get blokes like Voss, Ling & Bassett as assistants. Knights for the ressies.
Sadly will never happen but that's roughly the kind of off-season & 2015 I'd love to see.
Trading that many players would destroy our culture...
;D
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heh...and hopefully replace it with a good one....
all moot anyway....like I said, will never happen....
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Trying to work out who we'd still have left from the current list in that scenario....Cotchin, Martin, Ellis, Jackson, Vlastuin, Griffiths, Maric, Morris, Dea , Batchelor, Petterd, McDonough, McIntosh, Chaplin (for a year) Foley, Grigg & Houli,(likewise)Hamspud(grrrrr), Helbig, Grimes, Astbury, Darrou, Miles, O'Hanlon, Arnott, McBean,Elton, Lennon.
....add to that Fyfe, Mundy, Jacksch, Patton/Cameron, O'Rourke, 5 draft picks, 6 rookies. =44
Laughin'......
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Whatever Port's paying Burgess - offer him double and pay out Port. Either way - new fitness staff.
We offered him more than Port did 2 years ago and he knocked back that offer... no chance...but agree with the sentiment
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
x 1000000, but the know all don't agree....teach him to defend.....bla bla stuffing bla.
LMAO
His work off half half back and the middle set us up in the first half. On at least three occasions he set up forward thrusts with long accurate passes from half back that sliced Norths zone defence up. What a waste having someone on half back doing that.
Martin was largely responsible for getting the momentum our way which then allowed the luxury of plonking him him forward.
unfortunately in the second half we got smashed out of the middle and across half back so having him forward was about as effective as having him on the bench.
Yeah, LMFAO at your supposed logic, the same Logic you tried and keep trying every time we lose which has been all all season. He got the momentum forward by playing centre, not back and when he ended up forward he kicked goals.
There is only so much he can do.
I suppose you also condone the Morris move forward, stuff me, that's worked a treat.. :whistle
you really shouldnt post when you are drunk. it just comes out as gibberish.
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Lids has officially given up.
FHO.
If only Cotchin learnt to kick, we could trade him too ;D
Cotchin used to kick sublime
One of the games best
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I'd still trade him. Might get us a true gun midfielder who can run both ways for 120m.
Some of you 'stuff wits' carry on like he's the best player in the league. Miles from it. Miles.
But good on Shane Edwards for getting a 2 year contract extension. :shh
That's gold Magic. :lol :rollin :lol
:lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Yep, god, I couldn't believe this when I read it, I think I actually cried laughing... :help
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Why Hardwick wanted to play him down back is a joke
x 1000000, but the know all don't agree....teach him to defend.....bla bla stuffing bla.
LMAO
His work off half half back and the middle set us up in the first half. On at least three occasions he set up forward thrusts with long accurate passes from half back that sliced Norths zone defence up. What a waste having someone on half back doing that.
Martin was largely responsible for getting the momentum our way which then allowed the luxury of plonking him him forward.
unfortunately in the second half we got smashed out of the middle and across half back so having him forward was about as effective as having him on the bench.
Yeah, LMFAO at your supposed logic, the same Logic you tried and keep trying every time we lose which has been all all season. He got the momentum forward by playing centre, not back and when he ended up forward he kicked goals.
There is only so much he can do.
I suppose you also condone the Morris move forward, stuff me, that's worked a treat.. :whistle
you really shouldnt post when you are drunk. it just comes out as gibberish.
Dito, although you wouldn't realise how much crap you actually talk because you are sooooooo self righteous... :wallywink
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i wonder if you will ever construct a logical, rational argument that displays just an inkling of football knowledge as why you think that the half back line has little importance in football.
.....or any other football discussion for that matter.
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i wonder if you will ever construct a logical, rational argument that displays just an inkling of football knowledge as why you think that the half back line has little importance in football.
.....or any other football discussion for that matter.
:whistle :whistle :whistle ::) ::) ::)
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i wonder if you will ever construct a logical, rational argument that displays just an inkling of football knowledge as why you think that the half back line has little importance in football.
.....or any other football discussion for that matter.
With or without the word stuffing?
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i wonder if you will ever construct a logical, rational argument that displays just an inkling of football knowledge as why you think that the half back line has little importance in football.
.....or any other football discussion for that matter.
With or without the word stuffing?
Why don't you just go and stuff yourself baiter, that's is all you do on this forum. You never ever contribute, you just sledge and bait people. stuff off...there you go!!!
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So......was he under pressure? Dimma defended his handball and so did Chaplin.
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Well, unless the Freo players had stopped "trying to get the ball", he was
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I think the rule is awful.
Personally, don't like seeing players 15m metres out and handballing it through the defensive goal line. It looks crap. For mine leave it as the same as deliberate out of bounds. None of this grey area of pressure or no pressure. Who would handpass or kick a ball into the opponents goal line if they weren't under any pressure? If the umpire thought Martin deliberately handpassed it over the line under no pressure than that is match fixing lol
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Dusty stuffed up.
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Thought the umpire got it right
You cannot handball it through for a point that far out when you are running as he was towards the flank and you've literally broken away from your direct opponent
He should have kicked it 50 metres towards the boundary then if he gets pinged, then at least it's outside 50
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I think he got it right as well, however under the rules 'A player will be penalised for rushing a behind, unless under pressure from opposition'.
Under the rule it looks like Dusty was within his right to rush a behind. However the rule was brought in to stop acts like this but was then changed because the AFL was spooked after a few weeks of ordinary umpiring and confusion and then allowed rushed behinds if there was pressure. Too many grey areas.
Have the deliberate rushed behind rule the exact same as the deliberate out of bounds rule. I can't see how that would effect the game negatively or change it from what the original rule was meant to achieve.
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i wonder if you will ever construct a logical, rational argument that displays just an inkling of football knowledge as why you think that the half back line has little importance in football.
.....or any other football discussion for that matter.
With or without the word stuffing?
Why don't you just go and stuff yourself baiter, that's is all you do on this forum. You never ever contribute, you just sledge and bait people. stuff off...there you go!!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Thought the umpire got it right
You cannot handball it through for a point that far out when you are running as he was towards the flank and you've literally broken away from your direct opponent
He should have kicked it 50 metres towards the boundary then if he gets pinged, then at least it's outside 50
^ this, and only for being the lesser of two evils.
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X2
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x3 was the correct call
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x4 was the correct call.
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x5 we all know it was right, even the most one eyed RFC fan would have no argument.
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Was pre-planned by the side before the game after they were told Joel Bowden was in the crowd and decided to pay tribute to the great man. Unfortunately they didn't anticipate the umpires also coming to the party and enforcing the "Bowden rule."
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I think he got it right as well, however under the rules 'A player will be penalised for rushing a behind, unless under pressure from opposition'.
Under the rule it looks like Dusty was within his right to rush a behind. However the rule was brought in to stop acts like this but was then changed because the AFL was spooked after a few weeks of ordinary umpiring and confusion and then allowed rushed behinds if there was pressure. Too many grey areas.
Have the deliberate rushed behind rule the exact same as the deliberate out of bounds rule. I can't see how that would effect the game negatively or change it from what the original rule was meant to achieve.
the rule was bought in for what joelene bowden did. a totally different scenario. funny how rules grow wings.
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I think he got it right as well, however under the rules 'A player will be penalised for rushing a behind, unless under pressure from opposition'.
Under the rule it looks like Dusty was within his right to rush a behind. However the rule was brought in to stop acts like this but was then changed because the AFL was spooked after a few weeks of ordinary umpiring and confusion and then allowed rushed behinds if there was pressure. Too many grey areas.
Have the deliberate rushed behind rule the exact same as the deliberate out of bounds rule. I can't see how that would effect the game negatively or change it from what the original rule was meant to achieve.
the rule was bought in for what joelene bowden did. a totally different scenario. funny how rules grow wings.
It was actually brought in after what Brent Guerra and Hawthorn did in the 2008 GF. :thumbsup
Joelene was a sub plot to the rule. ;D
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i wonder if you will ever construct a logical, rational argument that displays just an inkling of football knowledge as why you think that the half back line has little importance in football.
.....or any other football discussion for that matter.
With or without the word stuffing?
Why don't you just go and stuff yourself baiter, that's is all you do on this forum. You never ever contribute, you just sledge and bait people. stuff off...there you go!!!
Just the two that always bite
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I agree he should've turned and kicked it to the boundary. I had a closer look at the footage and he only had 1m or so between 2 freo players so from a technicality he can argue that he was under pressure and nothing in the law says anything about conditions apply aka how far you are away from opposition goal.
It's weird though because he is running in a straight line more or less and it looks like he deliberately roved a ball just to handball it. I do agree in the 'spirit of the game' you would want to outlaw crap like that because it makes for crap football. But more so I think umpires should officiate the rules and if teams find loopholes than they should leave it to committees to decide on rule changes and not play judge/jury/executioner.
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Don’t argue with Dustin Martin’s star status in SuperCoach
Herald-Sun
June 20, 2014
IN THE end, Dustin Martin came crawling back to Richmond.
In an inglorious end to last season, Martin’s management did the tour of rival clubs on a fishing trip to either find a new home or drive up the price of his last contract.
Not surprisingly, when the Giants and Bombers turned their noses up at him, Martin eventually re-signed at Richmond on about roughly the same terms the club had offered all season.
The whole episode was bizarre.
But as Martin prepares for his 99th game and 43rd in a row, now we wonder; did the Tigers get Dusty cheap?
If the Tigers’ best-and-fairest was held now, it would be 1. Dusty 2. Cotch 3. Daylight. In SuperCoach rankings terms it’s Martin (38th overall), Cotchin (44th) and up-and-coming defender Brandon Ellis (66th).
The man who boasts the best “don’t argue” in the business has hit his straps over the past five rounds in particular, averaging 114 SuperCoach points per game since his price bottomed out at $448,500 in Round 7.
Yes, it was a slow start for the No.3 draft pick, as coach Damien Hardwick toyed with the concept of playing the midfielder-forward in the back half.
But last time he played Sydney, one of only two current top-eight sides the Tigers meet over the next 10 rounds, he punched out a sparkling 126 points.
As bad as Richmond has been this year, the draw starts to open up for them from next round onwards. They play bottom-placed St Kilda twice and the Giants and Lions at the MCG.
Martin, 23, is the eighth-most popular player in SuperCoach, but 60 per cent of teams have ignored him to this point.
Maybe this is your chance.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dont-argue-with-dustin-martins-star-status-in-supercoach/story-fndv8t7m-1226960495911
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dustin....the only a grader at the club...
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Don’t argue with Dustin Martin’s star status in SuperCoach
Herald-Sun
June 20, 2014
and up-and-coming defender Brandon Ellis (66th).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dont-argue-with-dustin-martins-star-status-in-supercoach/story-fndv8t7m-1226960495911
he plays defence? Am I missing something?
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Hardwick's decision to play in defence this year was very poor. Clear favourite for best and fairest at end of year.
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Oh good our draw opens up, we don't have to play hard teams like the bulldogs, melbourne, gold coast and essendon hopefully.
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Don’t argue with Dustin Martin’s star status in SuperCoach
Herald-Sun
June 20, 2014
and up-and-coming defender Brandon Ellis (66th).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dont-argue-with-dustin-martins-star-status-in-supercoach/story-fndv8t7m-1226960495911
he plays defence? Am I missing something?
Well thy certainly can't mean he has the mentality of ability of a defender so it HMF
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Was fantastic tonight. He should win the B+F this year by lightyears.
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Was fantastic tonight. He should win the B+F this year by lightyears.
should have won it last year too
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Was fantastic tonight. He should win the B+F this year by lightyears.
should have won it last year too
Agree. For some reason internally they're harsh on this guy. Jackson was good last year but Dusty was a victim of high expectations whereas Jackson got the benefit of exceeding expectations. If they're fair dinkum this year he's be a mile in front. And to think we nearly lost him.
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should have left, wasted talent at rfc
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Is the photo of Dusty at Tramp that is getting around today old or new?
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which one?
I think there was a whole thing about him at tramp a few yrs ago, show us the pic, should be able to tell if its current or a few yrs old
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Don’t argue with Dustin Martin’s star status in SuperCoach
Herald-Sun
June 20, 2014
and up-and-coming defender Brandon Ellis (66th).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dont-argue-with-dustin-martins-star-status-in-supercoach/story-fndv8t7m-1226960495911
he plays defence? Am I missing something?
I'm afraid I'm out of the loop also. :-\
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=280404358805561&set=a.196769273835737.1073741827.196730480506283&type=1&theater
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Don’t argue with Dustin Martin’s star status in SuperCoach
Herald-Sun
June 20, 2014
and up-and-coming defender Brandon Ellis (66th).
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dont-argue-with-dustin-martins-star-status-in-supercoach/story-fndv8t7m-1226960495911
he plays defence? Am I missing something?
I'm afraid I'm out of the loop also. :-\
I think they meant he defends for the opposition by stopping us from scoring goals. :banghead
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Was fantastic tonight. He should win the B+F this year by lightyears.
should have won it last year too
I'd like to ask a question. Do the coaches, footy ops know the result of the B&F beforehand?
If so I'm going out on a limb here and claiming Jako was gifted the B&F to keep Dusty at the club by not overinflating his price further with a B&F under his belt from the little weed in Ralph Carr.
I reckon the votes were manipulated. Anyone else feel the same way.
Dusty was by far IMHO our best performed player last year.
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No Jackson was outstanding last year, we ve missed not having him in that rare form again
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Was fantastic tonight. He should win the B+F this year by lightyears.
should have won it last year too
I'd like to ask a question. Do the coaches, footy ops know the result of the B&F beforehand?
If so I'm going out on a limb here and claiming Jako was gifted the B&F to keep Dusty at the club by not overinflating his price further with a B&F under his belt from the little weed in Ralph Carr.
I reckon the votes were manipulated. Anyone else feel the same way.
Dusty was by far IMHO our best performed player last year.
I love a conspiracy theory!
(http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/February/Comedy/conspiracy-keanu/conspiracy-keanu-santa.jpg)
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No Jackson was outstanding last year, we ve missed not having him in that rare form again
Wouldn't call his form outstanding BJ. Above average from what we had seen prior to 2013 yes but because of this we saw him last year and though woah Jako.
Dusty was class all of last year and way ahead of Jako and every other RFC midfielder.
Even the awards are token at Punt Rd.
It's like under 9's no winners and everyone is happy. :help
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Was fantastic tonight. He should win the B+F this year by lightyears.
should have won it last year too
I'd like to ask a question. Do the coaches, footy ops know the result of the B&F beforehand?
If so I'm going out on a limb here and claiming Jako was gifted the B&F to keep Dusty at the club by not overinflating his price further with a B&F under his belt from the little weed in Ralph Carr.
I reckon the votes were manipulated. Anyone else feel the same way.
Dusty was by far IMHO our best performed player last year.
I love a conspiracy theory!
(http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/2012/February/Comedy/conspiracy-keanu/conspiracy-keanu-santa.jpg)
Even us footy savvy folk here on OER voted him as the player of the year. :thumbsup
I'm getting more and more convinced here people. :shh
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No Jackson was outstanding last year, we ve missed not having him in that rare form again
Wouldn't call his form outstanding BJ. Above average from what we had seen prior to 2013 yes but because of this we saw him last year and though woah Jako.
Dusty was class all of last year and way ahead of Jako and every other RFC midfielder.
Even the awards are token at Punt Rd.
It's like under 9's no winners and everyone is happy. :help
Dm was good but not quite as consistent as jacko, in any case dm will win in a canter this year
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My god... that link :facepalm
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=280404358805561&set=a.196769273835737.1073741827.196730480506283&type=1&theater
I thought that was Cuz for a minute.
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The most disappointing aspect of it for me is the lack of quality of the girls.
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Not allowed to let fans take photos with you.
Sack him.
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which one?
I think there was a whole thing about him at tramp a few yrs ago, show us the pic, should be able to tell if its current or a few yrs old
Ink looks fresh. Certainly more fresh than Dusty in that pic. ;D
Regardless he's playing pretty well atm relative to other Tigers but has more to give.
Still needs to eradicate the errors from his game and work harder defensively.
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The most disappointing aspect of it for me is the lack of quality of the girls.
Agree stuff our form this year, Dusty's lack of quality in this area needs answers
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CONGRATULATIONS DUSTY.
100 GAMES FOR THE TIGERS THIS WEEK AGAINST THE SAINTS!!!
:cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :bow
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Biggest change this year is that he's kicking goals.
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The B+F is awarded to the person who performs 'their role' the greatest. I think because someone's "role" can vary immensely between players, Dustin's "role" was to average 30+ possessions/match, kick 2 goals a match and give off a don't argue for the media as well.
Jackson's role was to not shank it and shutdown the opposition's best (which he did on Ablett quite well last year)
A lot of expectation was placed on Dusty, and being flogged in the first part of 2013 of not being able to run out 4 quarters would've hurt him. At the same time no one expected much from 'Hackson' so when he wasn't completely useless everyone was up in arms and gave him the B+F for performing his "role."
it's a real shame but I suppose they need some sort of metric to give the defenders a chance to win the B+F otherwise the Jack Dyer medal might as well be a rehashed brownlow night.
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TRUST IN DUST!
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which one?
I think there was a whole thing about him at tramp a few yrs ago, show us the pic, should be able to tell if its current or a few yrs old
Ink looks fresh. Certainly more fresh than Dusty in that pic. ;D
Regardless he's playing pretty well atm relative to other Tigers but has more to give.
Still needs to eradicate the errors from his game and work harder defensively.
haha :thumbsup
I don't mind the mistakes he makes so much bc he's usually going for a high degree of difficulty pass that will break the lines if it comes off. Only player in our side that is trying to do it. Still needs to keep working hard but as one of his harshest critics MM would you say you've noticed a change in his work ethic and ability to run out 4 qtrs? I certainly have this season.
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Still needs to keep working hard but as one of his harshest critics MM would you say you've noticed a change in his work ethic and ability to run out 4 qtrs? I certainly have this season.
TBH I think he's improved a bit but not an enormous amount. More noticeable has been how much others have dropped off.
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Well done Dusty on 100 games, let's hope the majority of the next 100 are:
1 - In Yellow & Black.....
2 - Success comes your way for your hard work.
3 - Finals.......
:clapping
PS - :birthday for Thursday
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Dusty is about the only reason I am still going to the footy this year.
Our best and most exciting player this year by a mile.
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Dusty is about the only reason I am still going to the footy this year.
Our best and most exciting player this year by a mile.
x 2
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Dusty is about the only reason I am still going to the footy this year.
Our best and most exciting player this year by a mile.
Yeah for me it's Dusty and Miles. They are the only positives I can take from this year.
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Agreed Dusty and now add Miles to that list of going to the footy nowadays.
We badly also need a Richo type figure to lift our spirits further.
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TBH I think he's improved a bit but not an enormous amount. More noticeable has been how much others have dropped off.
so, he's improved, right?
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TBH I think he's improved a bit but not an enormous amount. More noticeable has been how much others have dropped off.
so, he's improved, right?
Apparently. Some like Edwards though have remained the same. They played like skata in the past and they're still playing like skata now despite undeserved two year contract extensions.
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Maintaining ones prior form from season to season is a personal victory at the RFC.
And he's improved.
Unreal!
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CONGRATULATIONS DUSTY.
100 GAMES FOR THE TIGERS THIS WEEK AGAINST THE SAINTS!!!
:cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :bow
VIDEO: The best of Dusty over his first 100 games:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-24/the-best-of-martin
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CONGRATULATIONS DUSTY.
100 GAMES FOR THE TIGERS THIS WEEK AGAINST THE SAINTS!!!
:cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :bow
VIDEO: The best of Dusty over his first 100 games:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-24/the-best-of-martin
its seems like only yesterday he got his jumper from Richo. I remember getting goosebumps when he pushed kangaroo Scott Thompson aside and kicked a cracking goal. Here's hoping next 100 is with the Tigers.
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CONGRATULATIONS DUSTY.
100 GAMES FOR THE TIGERS THIS WEEK AGAINST THE SAINTS!!!
:cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :bow
VIDEO: The best of Dusty over his first 100 games:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-24/the-best-of-martin
its seems like only yesterday he got his jumper from Richo. I remember getting goosebumps when he pushed kangaroo Scott Thompson aside and kicked a cracking goal. Here's hoping next 100 is with the Tigers.
It was the monkey Michael Firrito And I came
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CONGRATULATIONS DUSTY.
100 GAMES FOR THE TIGERS THIS WEEK AGAINST THE SAINTS!!!
:cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping :clapping :bow :bow :bow
VIDEO: The best of Dusty over his first 100 games:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-06-24/the-best-of-martin
its seems like only yesterday he got his jumper from Richo. I remember getting goosebumps when he pushed kangaroo Scott Thompson aside and kicked a cracking goal. Here's hoping next 100 is with the Tigers.
It was the monkey Michael Firrito And I came
Thanks for the clarification JR. His goal against the eagles where he gave the fend off with his left arm was amazing as well.
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Dusty turned 23 just the other day too.
Dustin Martin's last 6 games: 31.2 disposals @ 70% efficiency, 1.3 goals, 1.2 goal assists per game.
https://twitter.com/AnthonyGilberg/status/480265230551744512
Even Barrett is a Dusty fan now.
IF ....... Dusty Martin had exited last year...
THEN .... this disastrous season would have been disastrously worse. Dusty is the only good thing about this mob right now.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-27/sliding-doors-round-15
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Congrats.
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34 possies for Dusty today plus the 'almost' goal of the year.
5. The 'almost' Goal of the Year nomination
The oval ball can be a cruel thing at times and Dustin Martin can count himself extremely unlucky not to be in the running for a goal of the year nomination this week. Martin outran his opponent into space on the half forward flank and from a tight angle cleverly speared the ball towards the goals. It looked for all money like dribbling through for a terrific goal but at the last minute the ball changed course and stayed in play. It was just one of the comical things that occurred in a very sub-standard game.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-05/five-talking-points-richmond-v-brisbane-lions
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Dusty will deserve his B&F this year if he wins it. He's a matchwinner.
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Keep building that midfield so we can leave him forward more often. Unstoppable up there one on one.
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Dusty will deserve his B&F this year if he wins it. He's a matchwinner.
have no doubt he has the B&F already engraved. Leave him forward.
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There's a bloke called Alex rance that is chalking up votes like he s shelling peas :shh
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There's a bloke called Alex rance that is chalking up votes like he s shelling peas :shh
Yeah but he missed what 6-8 games, to big is the gap. Will come home with the proverbial wet sail though.
As for Dusty, simply a star.
We're lucky to have him :clapping
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Dusty will deserve his B&F this year if he wins it. He's a matchwinner.
have no doubt he has the B&F already engraved. Leave him forward.
When he's in the forward line one on one I usually breathe easy. The guy knows how to take someone on, out muscle them and kick a sausage
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There's a bloke called Alex rance that is chalking up votes like he s shelling peas :shh
Yeah but he missed what 6-8 games, to big is the gap. Will come home with the proverbial wet sail though.
As for Dusty, simply a star.
We're lucky to have him :clapping
hard to believe so many turned on him during the negotiation process.
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There's a bloke called Alex rance that is chalking up votes like he s shelling peas :shh
Yeah but he missed what 6-8 games, to big is the gap. Will come home with the proverbial wet sail though.
As for Dusty, simply a star.
We're lucky to have him :clapping
hard to believe so many turned on him during the negotiation process.
But he could've cost us Conca had we caved....
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There's a bloke called Alex rance that is chalking up votes like he s shelling peas :shh
Yeah but he missed what 6-8 games, to big is the gap. Will come home with the proverbial wet sail though.
As for Dusty, simply a star.
We're lucky to have him :clapping
hard to believe so many turned on him during the negotiation process.
But he could've cost us Conca had we caved....
AND his brother!!
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love watching his opponent poo himself when the ball comes in one-on-one.
"oh poo, oh poo, oh poo...."
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Give him 5 years at 800k a year, nothing less
None of this 500k poo
If Newman is on what 350/400 then double it for this machine
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A mil is more rounded
Get it done Tiges :gotigers
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I think there should be a public auction in king street for interrsted clubs held by his manager Ralph. "Blue chip investment in the dress circle of AFL football"
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A mil is more rounded
Get it done Tiges :gotigers
:thumbsup
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Dustin is probably worth $700k tops a year. People shouldnt lose sight of the fact that we have a salary cap to keep and that we need 3 or 4 more quality players to be any good. We cant afford to pay 1 player a million a year it would stuff up our payment structure.
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Dustin is probably worth $700k tops a year. People shouldnt lose sight of the fact that we have a salary cap to keep and that we need 3 or 4 more quality players to be any good. We cant afford to pay 1 player a million a year it would stuff up our payment structure.
Negative Ramps
All the best players are paid close to a mil. In a world of free agency lock in your stars, and manage the other duds who are stealing 3/400 k a year for doing nothing
800k is fair for dusty IMO and if the club doesn't then good luck finding another match winner like him
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Dustin is probably worth $700k tops a year. People shouldnt lose sight of the fact that we have a salary cap to keep and that we need 3 or 4 more quality players to be any good. We cant afford to pay 1 player a million a year it would stuff up our payment structure.
PlopPlopPlop
If you get rid Grigg chaplin Newman king houli. Should be replaced by draft picks on min wage.
You can afford to give the best players big money. And have enough left over to get a gun
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Buy him shares for tramp nightclub
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What is up with Dusty anyone know?
His form has been great but that was one of his poorer games of the year on Saturday.
Hardwick mentioned he was sore but any idea what the injury is?
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Groin soreness
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What is up with Dusty anyone know?
His form has been great but that was one of his poorer games of the year on Saturday.
Hardwick mentioned he was sore but any idea what the injury is?
Sore shoulders from carrying too many spuds for most of the season
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What is up with Dusty anyone know?
His form has been great but that was one of his poorer games of the year on Saturday.
Hardwick mentioned he was sore but any idea what the injury is?
Sore shoulders from carrying too many spuds for most of the season
hahahahahaha +1 on this. Like when he single handedly smashed Nth in a half of football only to be weighed down by the rest of the team
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I have to say that passage of play (right on 3/4 time) was one of the most pulsating moments in football I have seen in a very long time.
To see Dusty beat just about the entire Essendon backline by himself just took my breath away.
What a shame time ran out and Gordan was denied the goal.
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Credit to vlastuin for that
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Duzzzzzzzzzzzzza
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VIDEO: Martin reviews with Richo ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-08-11/martin-reviews-with-richo
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What is up with Dusty anyone know?
His form has been great but that was one of his poorer games of the year on Saturday.
Hardwick mentioned he was sore but any idea what the injury is?
Sore shoulders from carrying too many spuds for most of the season
Bang!
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Dustin Martin has been involved in more scores (156) than any other Tiger this season, that equates to 30.4 per cent of Richmond’s total scores.
Dustin Martin is Richmond's second leading goalkicker this season (24). He kicked four goals against the Crows in Round 12 last year.
Dustin Martin (329) ranks second in the AFL for kicks (plus in the top 10 for effective kicks) and is in the top 10 as well for handball receives.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-08-12/stats-that-matter-rd-21
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Any of the floggers that said he wasn't a match winner and we wouldn't miss him want to come out from under their rocks... ;D
We need to throw the bank at this kid in two years, we should be saving now!!!
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Any of the floggers that said he wasn't a match winner and we wouldn't miss him want to come out from under their rocks... ;D
We need to throw the bank at this kid in two years, we should be saving now!!!
You mean this time next year. Same with Cotch, Floss and Brando.
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Dustin Martin has been involved in more scores (156) than any other Tiger this season, that equates to 30.4 per cent of Richmond’s total scores.
Dustin Martin is Richmond's second leading goalkicker this season (24). He kicked four goals against the Crows in Round 12 last year.
Dustin Martin (329) ranks second in the AFL for kicks (plus in the top 10 for effective kicks) and is in the top 10 as well for handball receives.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-08-12/stats-that-matter-rd-21
not good enough, one way runner, must trade
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Dustin Martin has been involved in more scores (156) than any other Tiger this season, that equates to 30.4 per cent of Richmond’s total scores.
Dustin Martin is Richmond's second leading goalkicker this season (24). He kicked four goals against the Crows in Round 12 last year.
Dustin Martin (329) ranks second in the AFL for kicks (plus in the top 10 for effective kicks) and is in the top 10 as well for handball receives.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-08-12/stats-that-matter-rd-21
not good enough, one way runner, must trade
Lets build a side around Titch based on the last two games. Titch Edwards franchise player.
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His fine form this year has tapered a bit in recent weeks, must be carrying something. Has kicked some important goals at crucial times though.
However his short kicking remains a weakness. Bit of a turnover king with that dinky kick of his. Much prefer it when he goes long.
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His fine form this year has tapered a bit in recent weeks, must be carrying something. Has kicked some important goals at crucial times though.
Either that or the other spuds have lifted their game a bit so the quality gap doesnt show too much
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Gee you blokes are hard to please. Dusty has been fantastic this year. If Malthouse had any brains Dusty would be at Carltomb. We are lucky no other club picked him up and lucky he has shown the depth of character to get where he is today. One bad game and you are ready to pillory not only Martin but any other player.
I think you all need to praise the footy gods that Martin is a Tiger and start working out how we are going to pay for him in his next contract negotiations.
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I find it laughable if the club us so badly managed we are going to struggle to extend our better players contracts.
Its not like we have been playing finals 20 years straight
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Dustin Martin best one-on-one player in AFL and key to Richmond’s recent resurgence
Sam Edmund
Herald-Sun
August 18, 2014 9:23PM
DUSTIN Martin is the weapon of mass destruction that is firing Richmond’s irresistible finals charge.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has found the launch codes for his star utility and is using him right where it hurts the opposition most — one-out inside 50m.
The Herald Sun can reveal Martin is the best offensive one-on-one player in the competition — winning a staggering 56 per cent of his battles. The AFL average is 26 per cent.
The 23-year-old known for his “don’t argues” has been involved in 27 offensive one-on-one contests this year, winning 15, neutralising nine and losing only three.
Martin has not lost an offensive one-on-one battle since Round 5.
If you’re a defender, he is the man to be feared most when you can’t call for back-up.
One-on-one contests close to goal are notoriously difficult to manufacture, but Hardwick has found a way to deploy Martin inside 50m while clearing the space around him.
Western Bulldogs great Brad Johnson, who kicked 558 goals across 364 games in a similar midfielder-forward role, said Martin’s supreme balance was proving the difference.
“He’s one-on-one stuff, he’s not going to ground as often in those contests and I think that’s the key,” Johnson said.
“How he’s holding his feet, his strength shows out even more. I don’t think he’s had to use the don’t argue as much recently, probably because his body positioning in these one-on-one’s has been sensational.”
Richmond’s last premiership coach Tony Jewell said Martin was “so bloody strong”.
“They know he can win the one-on-one’s. (Brett) Deledio too, they’re pushing him forward and he’s kicking goals,” Jewell said.
“It’s pretty good coaching and pretty smart. Geelong do it well with (Tom) Hawkins, they find a way of getting him in one-on-one’s and that’s hard to do in today’s footy.”
Western Bulldogs goalsneak Luke Dahlhaus is the next best offensive one-on-one performer among players who have been involved in at least 25 contests, winning 50 per cent of the time.
Adelaide’s Patrick Dangerfield and Geelong spearhead Tom Hawkins are next, going at 44 per cent.
Martin’s exploits, particularly close to goal, has won Richmond several games this season.
With the Tigers fighting to hold off a fast-finishing Adelaide on Saturday night, Martin wasn’t in the middle of Adelaide Oval fighting to gain possession, he was lurking inside 50m beside a nervous Ricky Henderson.
Martin edged the Crow defender under a high ball, gathered and ran into an open goal to kick the sealer.
In Round 2, with the Tigers clinging to a one-goal lead in the face of a furious Carlton surge, Martin and Zach Tuohy found themselves under a bouncing ball with no teammates in sight. Martin turned the Irishman inside out to drive the final nail in the Blues’ coffin.
Then there was Round 18 against West Coast at a rain-sodden Pattersons Stadium. Isolated, Martin skipped away from Eric Mackenzie to snap a pivotal goal that put the Tigers up by 17 points at three-quarter time of a low-scoring slog.
“I tell you what, if I was Adam Simpson and the ball goes forward and Martin is one-out I’d be nervous,” Bruce McAvaney said on Channel 7 at the time.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-best-oneonone-player-in-afl-and-key-to-richmonds-recent-resurgence/story-fndv8t7m-1227028632897
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His fine form this year has tapered a bit in recent weeks, must be carrying something. Has kicked some important goals at crucial times though.
However his short kicking remains a weakness. Bit of a turnover king with that dinky kick of his. Much prefer it when he goes long.
Dimma said before the Essendon game that Dusty was sore. It's why he's playing more forward to 'rest' up his body.
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Dimma said before the Essendon game that Dusty was sore. It's why he's playing more forward to 'rest' up his body.
Makes sense. He's still making a valuable contribution.
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Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has found the launch codes for his star utility and is using him right where it hurts the opposition most — one-out inside 50m.
One-on-one contests close to goal are notoriously difficult to manufacture, but Hardwick has found a way to deploy Martin inside 50m while clearing the space around him.
"It’s pretty good coaching and pretty smart. Geelong do it well with (Tom) Hawkins, they find a way of getting him in one-on-one’s and that’s hard to do in today’s footy.”
Cant have this bullpoo being spruiked around
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Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has found the launch codes for his star utility and is using him right where it hurts the opposition most — one-out inside 50m.
One-on-one contests close to goal are notoriously difficult to manufacture, but Hardwick has found a way to deploy Martin inside 50m while clearing the space around him.
"It’s pretty good coaching and pretty smart. Geelong do it well with (Tom) Hawkins, they find a way of getting him in one-on-one’s and that’s hard to do in today’s footy.”
Cant have this bullpoo being spruiked around
Anything that puts Dimma in a positive light is just not on at all
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What a flog Brad Johnson is.
Dusty last went to ground when he learnt to walk.
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What a flog Brad Johnson is.
Dusty last went to ground when he learnt to walk.
Was thinking the same thing Big Fella. Dusty has always kept his feet. One of his great strengths. Unlike Johnson , who's greatest strength was his uncanny ability to stage a push out , take a dive and receive a free kick.
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What a flog Brad Johnson is.
Dusty last went to ground when he learnt to walk.
Was thinking the same thing Big Fella. Dusty has always kept his feet. One of his great strengths. Unlike Johnson , who's greatest strength was his uncanny ability to stage a push out , take a dive and receive a free kick.
Agree, ranks just behind Lloyd as one of the biggest stagers of all time
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
The left or right one?
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:lol :lol
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
The left or right one?
She got the oval one and I gave his left and right a bit of a gentle squeeze
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:lol
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
The left or right one?
She got the oval one and I gave his left and right a bit of a gentle squeeze
:clapping
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
The left or right one?
She got the oval one and I gave his left and right a bit of a gentle squeeze
LOL grats for your little one chucky
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I'm more disturbed by the revelation that Chucky's produced offspring.
*ahem* Anyway....thought Martin was quite poor for most of today. Thought his decision making in particular was terrible and that's when was actually thinking about it and not just banging it on the boot.. Guees it's the mark of a champion that he was still able to make a crucial play when it most mattered.
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
The left or right one?
She got the oval one and I gave his left and right a bit of a gentle squeeze
he asked me to tell you, you have the softest hands!
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Can't recall a more damaging player one on one in F50.
Jarmen and Ablett senior like.
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My daughter got Dusty's ball tonight.
Thanks big Duzza :thumbsup
The left or right one?
She got the oval one and I gave his left and right a bit of a gentle squeeze
:lol
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He was horrible yesterday. Besides that goal he did stuff all. His body is cooked for the year
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He was horrible yesterday. Besides that goal he did stuff all. His body is cooked for the year
He moved alright. Body had nothing to do with his poor decisions and thoughtless rushed kicking.
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He was poo, yet won us the game yet again. :bow
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He was poo, yet won us the game yet again. :bow
As I said - mark of a true champion, can be crap all day but still deliver when it matters.
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He was poo, yet won us the game yet again. :bow
As I said - mark of a true champion, can be crap all day but still deliver when it matters.
Agreed. :clapping
The great man Richo was saying in the Adelaide game "It may not be your day but it can still be your moment." Sums up Dusty's day yesterday.
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He was poo, yet won us the game yet again. :bow
As I said - mark of a true champion, can be crap all day but still deliver when it matters.
Absolutely. Best one on one player in the forward line in the league.
For those that don't believe that just look at the last minute of the third quarter against Essendon a few weeks ago. That is combativeness at its best. :thumbsup
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Statistically the best 1 VS 1 player in the comp going inside 50.
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Mark of a good player can play an average game but in one moment can win a game. The decision to isolate him in forwardline has been a very good one. Very unlucky to have hit post in last quarter.
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I have nothing more to say about this player, other than.... ;D
He is the best player we have, he is a complete match winner and along with Rance has been influential if not the main reason we have won the games we have. We would not be playing finals without him, we must keep him at the RFC, no question about it.
While his disposals sufficiency was down a bit last night he never gives up or gives in.
And the toss pots that wanted him down back.. :whistle ::)
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Can't recall a more damaging player one on one in F50.
Jarmen and Ablett senior like.
Deledio
Cotchin
I have nothing more to say about this player, other than.... ;D
He is the best player we have, he is a complete match winner and along with Rance has been influential if not the main reason we have won the games we have. We would not be playing finals without him, we must keep him at the RFC, no question about it.
While his disposals sufficiency was down a bit last night he never gives up or gives in.
And the toss pots that wanted him down back.. :whistle ::)
Martin is better than: maric / rance / cotchin / deledio / Riewoldt ?
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^^^
Yep, 100% he is better.
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Nice
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Gee where are you al... some of you experts should be watching on the couch.....
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noticed you were very quiet on the subject earlier in the year when hardwick left martin in the forward line for long periods but he was having little influence due to lack of ball because we couldn't get any drive off halfback.
i assume you were in the back yard trying to work out why you spray your kicks when not looking at the ball as you kick it???
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Doesn't matter where you play him, he's going to have an influence
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Dustin Martin makes giant strides with the Tigers
Michael Gleeson
The Age
September 2, 2014
GWS didn't know Dustin Martin was coming until he arrived. Richmond never thought he was going, and this year he has definitively arrived.
Martin was out of contract and encouraged by a bullish manager to explore his options to squeeze more dollars than had been available at Punt Road. He arrived in western Sydney to meet the club chiefs. They politely obliged and showed him around, sat down and had a cup of tea.
Martin was asked who his mentors were. "Damien Hardwick and Trent Cotchin," he replied.
The Giants' chief executive and list manager looked at one another and wondered what he was doing there. Martin looked inside and thought the same thing, for his heart was at Richmond. They knew it and so did he. Soon after, he re-signed with the Tigers.
"I didn't know he said that about me. Thanks Dusty," Cotchin said on Monday.
"The reality is he was never going anywhere. I am close with Dusty and, yes, he toured the GWS facilities, but in my heart I knew he was always going to be a Richmond player."
There had been no prima donna storming out from Richmond so there was no sheepish return. Martin walked back into the club as though he had never left. Well, in fact, he had never actually left. It's also easier to come back when your captain doesn't think you are going anyway, and instead just smiles and shakes his head.
Cotchin likes little things about Martin. Like the way he speaks now, his conversation like his football has evolved and matured. He likes his magnetic presence on the field too.
It was unsurprising that when the goal needed to be kicked in the closing minutes on Saturday night it came from Martin. It was unsure if it was by design that Martin was the man to be isolated in the forward line – it probably was – but when the moment demanded the match winner the ball found Martin. It has become what he does.
He is a troubling player one out up forward. Like Mark Ricciuto to whom he has often been compared, his strength enables him to compete in the air with bigger opponents but that same strength stops him from being dislodged from the ball, so he stays on his feet when others fall over.
His speed is too explosive for lumbering defenders, his strength too great for whippy back flankers. He doesn't always take the mark but he is rarely out-marked. If and when he gets the ball to ground he is a good chance to win it.
Not for the first time this year Martin has kicked the clutch goal when it mattered. Three times he has done it in fact. Three times this year he has kicked a goal after the 20-minute mark of the last quarter when the margin was less than two goals. (He is second in the AFL this year for that stat behind Stewart Crameri).
"I think if you speak to the majority, if not all, of our playing group that is exactly what they would say – that he has that charisma as a player," Cotchin said.
"If it goes in one-on-one to Dusty you know you are definitely not going to lose the contest and in most cases he is going to make something of it whether it be a scoring opportunity or a guaranteed goal. He probably had two or three chances on the weekend to kick the goal and he kicked one, which was the most important one.
"And not just kicking the goal. I think the time we played Carlton early in the year there was a ball that went in to a one-on-two and Dusty chased it all the way to the boundary. It only resulted in a stoppage but had they won that and transferred it the other way it might have been a different result. So it is not just the goals it is his intensity and his effort and we love playing with him. He is a great person, very genuine and just continuing to improve."
Like Brett Deledio, Martin has spent more time forward this year – moves that Hardwick admitted had been central to the second half resurgence of the side, but only able to have happened because of Brandon Ellis and Anthony Miles (surely the best rookie player of the year) so ably covering their absence in the midfield.
He has booted 27 goals this year to be the equal second highest goalkicking midfielder in the AFL. He is equal with Kangaroo Brent Harvey and behind only Port Adelaide's Robbie Gray of goalkickers who are also in the top 50 ball getters in the competition. He is ranked only behind Jack Riewoldt at the Tigers for goals kicked, score involvements and scoreboard impact (whatever that is).
Among the Tigers he is a giant. At the Giants they always knew he was a Tiger.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dustin-martin-makes-giant-strides-with-the-tigers-20140901-10b4vi.html
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noticed you were very quiet on the subject earlier in the year when hardwick left martin in the forward line for long periods but he was having little influence due to lack of ball because we couldn't get any drive off halfback.
i assume you were in the back yard trying to work out why you spray your kicks when not looking at the ball as you kick it???
Crap, the ball wasn't there what could he do. Why don't you just stand up like a man for a change and admit... YOU WERE WRONG!!!!! Stop your excuse crap.
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noticed you were very quiet on the subject earlier in the year when hardwick left martin in the forward line for long periods but he was having little influence due to lack of ball because we couldn't get any drive off halfback.
i assume you were in the back yard trying to work out why you spray your kicks when not looking at the ball as you kick it???
Crap, the ball wasn't there what could he do. Why don't you just stand up like a man for a change and admit... YOU WERE WRONG!!!!! Stop your excuse crap.
I think you failed to see he still did have an impact off half back and still managed to kick goals from there too while setting plenty up. Why should he admit that he's better forward when you can't admit we needed his drive off half back when we were playing like poo?
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Personally I reckon he's been fantastic all year - not sure where the he was quiet for parts of the year has come from - easily been our best and most consistent player in 2014
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Personally I reckon he's been fantastic all year - not sure where the he was quiet for parts of the year has come from - easily been our best and most consistent player in 2014
Agreed tm! :clapping
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He will win Richmond a grand final one day. Who knows it could happen in a few weeks time :pray
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noticed you were very quiet on the subject earlier in the year when hardwick left martin in the forward line for long periods but he was having little influence due to lack of ball because we couldn't get any drive off halfback.
i assume you were in the back yard trying to work out why you spray your kicks when not looking at the ball as you kick it???
Crap, the ball wasn't there what could he do. Why don't you just stand up like a man for a change and admit... YOU WERE WRONG!!!!! Stop your excuse crap.
:lol not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
the ball wasn't there what could he do
that my simple friend, is exactly the point.
just out curiosity, what is so good about having a quality player sitting in the forward line when the ball is not getting down there?
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noticed you were very quiet on the subject earlier in the year when hardwick left martin in the forward line for long periods but he was having little influence due to lack of ball because we couldn't get any drive off halfback.
i assume you were in the back yard trying to work out why you spray your kicks when not looking at the ball as you kick it???
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Crap, the ball wasn't there what could he do. Why don't you just stand up like a man for a change and admit... YOU WERE WRONG!!!!! Stop your excuse crap.
I think you failed to see he still did have an impact off half back and still managed to kick goals from there too while setting plenty up. Why should he admit that he's better forward when you can't admit we needed his drive off half back when we were playing like pooe?
Yeh look.
It's not that HE'S better off up forward.
It's that WE are better off.
It's also about the timing of the switch and the way in which he
Revels in the challenge.
Jack in the same situation fails.
Dusty is a superstar who's still finding his way.
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noticed you were very quiet on the subject earlier in the year when hardwick left martin in the forward line for long periods but he was having little influence due to lack of ball because we couldn't get any drive off halfback.
i assume you were in the back yard trying to work out why you spray your kicks when not looking at the ball as you kick it???
Crap, the ball wasn't there what could he do. Why don't you just stand up like a man for a change and admit... YOU WERE WRONG!!!!! Stop your excuse crap.
:lol not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
the ball wasn't there what could he do
that my simple friend, is exactly the point.
just out curiosity, what is so good about having a quality player sitting in the forward line when the ball is not getting down there?
Stuffing stuff Al
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Reckon if he wasn't sore he would of spent some time driving us off HB against the swans :shh
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Great thing he kicked that goal. Poor game otherwise.
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Richmond’s Dustin Martin, Essendon’s Dyson Heppell on track for club best and fairest awards
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
September 03, 2014
IF every AFL player went on a huge football trip, Dustin Martin and Dyson Heppell wouldn’t be found sharing a beer any time soon.
Heppell would be hitting up Scott Pendlebury for recovery tips, joining Joel Selwood for dawn jogs and sourcing pilates contacts from Chris Judd.
Dusty would be returning at daybreak while Heppell was heading out, exchanging war stories with Dane Swan and demanding the quaddy numbers from Campbell Brown.
One is a choir boy, the other used to do his best work at the other end of the spectrum.
Yet both should win their club’s best-and-fairest this year after remarkably similar best-and-fairest results over the course of their early years.
Both are primed to play huge roles for this sides in their respective elimination finals.
And when you consider their extraordinary body of work in nine combined seasons a little-used word comes to mind.
Champion.
Neither of those players are anywhere near that yet, but could either have started more brightly, been more consistent, had more influence on matches at 22 (Heppell) and 23 (Martin)?
Martin has won at least three games off his boot this year, will poll his fourth top-four placing in his first five years at Richmond and adds a dynamic no one else at the club goes near.
Richmond’s only Brownlow Medallist in the last 60 years, triple-winner Ian Stewart, says Martin’s junior pedigree has taught him to hunt for every little gain.
“I have seen somebody that played senior football at 15 and 16 at Castlemaine, has a low centre of gravity so he’s hard to unbalance with growing up in an environment where he had to fight for everything he earnt. You see that coming out in him,’’ he said yesterday.
“He is a fighter and if something has to be done he seems to be able to lift to do it. That could come down to playing senior footy early, it would have been tough to play at 15 against men.”
It was hard to see how Heppell could top his first three seasons — Rising Star Award then a pair of top-three b-and-f finishes — until he just went out and did it.
He had 40 touches against Geelong, he saved the Dons against West Coast with 29 second-half touches, he lifted last week with a broken hand when his side was 30 points down.
And in a blink a player who has averaged 28 touches this year shut up the few critics who wondered if he could thrive in the midfield and with injured captain Jobe Watson on the sidelines.
Former Essendon vice-captain Mark McVeigh believes Heppell is the club’s next captain for so many reasons.
“With his game sense and his mind he thinks quicker than others.
“He has been able to sum up situations better than most, he adjusts his kicks, he adjusts his thinking, he doesn’t just blaze away.
“He has the ability to influence games at their most crucial points, as the absolute champions do and that will only come more and more.
“He has empathy for people, the players really warm to him and throughout this whole saga he has been one of the guys who had shone through that. If you talk about someone who will eventually take over from Jobe, you would reckon he ticks most of the boxes.”
How many champions are currently in our game? Buddy, Selwood, little Gaz, Juddy, Pendles, Pavlich, Nick Riewoldt to name a few, with Nate Fyfe getting there quickly.
If the criteria are consistent brilliance, the ability to lift when your side desperately needs you and a very small margin between best and worst, then these two will have that lofty mantle by the end of the decade.
DUSTIN MARTIN — JACK DYER MEDAL
2010 4th
2011 3rd
2012 10th
2013 2nd
DYSON HEPPELL — CRICHTON MEDAL
2011 6th*
2012 2nd
2013 3rd
* Rising Star winner
http://www.news.com.au/national/richmonds-dustin-martin-essendons-dyson-heppell-on-track-for-club-best-and-fairest-awards/story-e6frfkp9-1227045583008
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Remind me who won the rising star in 2010?
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Remind me who won the rising star in 2010?
Hannebery? Not sure to be honest.
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Remind me who won the rising star in 2010?
Daniel Hannebery (Heppell won in 2011)
:lol
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Dusty is my stuffn boy.
Best player at the club by far.
"Martin was out of contract and encouraged by a bullish manager to explore his options to squeeze more dollars than had been available at Punt Road."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/185829394/ralph.jpg)
Bullish and bald.
A grown stuffn man with an emo hair piece.
stuff him off, Dusty
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Dusty is my stuffn boy.
Best player at the club by far.
"Martin was out of contract and encouraged by a bullish manager to explore his options to squeeze more dollars than had been available at Punt Road."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/185829394/ralph.jpg)
Bullish and bald.
A grown stuffn man with an emo hair piece.
stuff him off, Dusty
He's mine too brother!!!!
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Yeh.
I dont jack off over players but this little fukka has made me think about it.lmao
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Yeh.
I dont jack off over players but this little stuffka has made me think about it.lmao
Hahaha I'm hearing you... ;D
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i feel like a good laugh.
Who were the stuffing imbeciles that said "stuff him.We don't need that poo at our club", of which there were a few.
You stuffen imbeciles. ;D
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They should trade him.
Not because of that stupid gesture, but because he is a big risk that will never have higher currency .
Why is he a big risk? Because of multiple unfounded internet rumours? ;D
And if he is such a "big risk" then his currency wouldn't be that high
just my opinion willy, very maintenance footballer, not sure if he is worth it
Here's one
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:rollin
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Yeh.
I dont jack off over players but this little stuffka has made me think about it.lmao
You won't regret it. :cheers
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I what not pay Martin let alone 500k or 600k what he wants.Overated and goes missing in big games as we seen on Sunday.This contract with Martin has to be put to a stop cause week after week it's in the media and it may have affected the club to.Take it or leave it we paid him over the odds last contract and got his life on track and afl career this year now his holding us ransom.Dees offered us pick 2 as there after midfielders I would take it.
And another
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I what not pay Martin let alone 500k or 600k what he wants.Overated and goes missing in big games as we seen on Sunday.This contract with Martin has to be put to a stop cause week after week it's in the media and it may have affected the club to.Take it or leave it we paid him over the odds last contract and got his life on track and afl career this year now his holding us ransom.Dees offered us pick 2 as there after midfielders I would take it.
And another
one of the more....articulate sprays ;D
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I wonder if blaisee was cheering Dusty as he ran into an open goal on Sunday ::)
It was Dusty's manager that caused this type of resentment, it was distasteful the way he was shopped around and it reflected poorly on the young client.
Georgies31 was spot on with those comments, it was true, the club tabled the offer, it was a take it or leave it situation in the end and G31 was sick of the rubbish and in the end Dusty (reportedly) signed for less than 500K. It was the club that took the risk, not one that I agreed with, it's lucky he is still a Tiger, so I'm not sure why you plucked that one out Chuck.
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:rollin
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
I miss Coach, this is an absolute gem
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x 2.
Coach and Gerks. :bluesbros
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Not the worst thing for RFC as i think his disposal really hurts the team at times and we will be well compensated for him. MUST SIGN UP CONCA!
I like this one as well
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Gee some fairly ordinary comments coming through on this thread. And you question his character :wallywink
If he goes, we need to do a good deal, simple as that.
If he walks into the PSD, it isn't ideal but not the end of the world. It's happened to plenty of other clubs and they've bounced back.
Lets wait and see what happens chicken littles
:clapping
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Meh.
Still a wanker for threatening to leave
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Footballers like Martin don't come around to often, will put our side back a fair bit if he goes.
Definitely. Craig Cameron would have got this deal signed in September 2012.
two wise posters right there thank you very much
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Meh.
Still a wanker for threatening to leave
Maybe if he averaged five possessions and could kick 80 metres you would be more in his camp
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Maybe I'd Griffith's got a limpgot agent and threatened Richmond - he too would be a wanker , also
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Maybe I'd Griffith's got a limpgot agent and threatened Richmond - he too would be a wanker , also
How about 4.5 possessions per game and 85 metre kicks? If Dusty could do that would you be Ok with him?
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If he could hit a few more targets it'd be a start
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If he could hit a few more targets it'd be a start
OK will get RFC_Official to pass it on
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Make sure he explains to Dustin he's a flog too :shh
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Make sure he explains to Dustin he's a flog too :shh
OK will do
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I'm just as keen for the manager going down as I am for dusty to come back.
When's the 2nd half of my wish happening?
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There is a reason he is my favourite player, ill forgive him no worries
Just sayin
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Maybe I'd Griffith's got a limpgot agent and threatened Richmond - he too would be a wanker , also
How about 4.5 possessions per game and 85 metre kicks? If Dusty could do that would you be Ok with him?
That's our boy BBBG!
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Not the worst thing for RFC as i think his disposal really hurts the team at times and we will be well compensated for him. MUST SIGN UP CONCA!
visionary.....
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Richmond star Dustin Martin unstoppable one-out close to goal according to North Melbourne champion Wayne Schwass
Herald-Sun
September 06, 2014 8:00PM
IT’S Richmond’s version of the Venus Fly Trap and former Kangaroos and Swans star Wayne Schwass calls it one of the weapons of 2014.
Dustin Martin ... one-out in attack ... put down your glasses.
On at least three occasions this year Martin has used his frequent forays forward to either wrest games back from the brink or to clinch victories.
There was the Zach Tuohy moment in Round 2; an audacious edge-out of Adelaide’s Ricky Henderson in Round 21 that sealed the game; and last week’s critical goal against the Swans when Ted Richards slipped over.
If not for those moments, Richmond would have already completed its Mad Monday. Instead, Martin looms once more as the man of the moment in today’s elimination final against Port Adelaide.
“It’s the Venus Fly Trap,” Schwass said of Martin’s one-on-one power when isolated in attack. “You know exactly what is going to happen; you know it is happening; but you just can’t stop it from happening.
“Dustin is just so smart ... he is actually protecting the pathway of the ball which will give him the greatest advantage. Once he has got into a position where he can use his strength, you are not going to stop him.”
Martin is the best one-on-one player in the AFL, with Champion Data stats revealing how difficult it is for defenders to stop him when he drifts forward.
The midfielder who is even more lethal when in attack has won 16 of his 29 offensive one-on-one battles at a 55.2 per cent success rate.
The next best is Geelong’s stay-at-home forward Tom Hawkins, who is almost 11 per cent behind Martin. The AFL average is around 26 per cent.
Three years ago Schwass compared Martin’s capacity to start in the midfield and move forward with that of Hawthorn legend Leigh Matthews from 30 years earlier.
The comparison drew plenty of criticism as well as a chuckle from Martin’s coach Damien Hardwick.
No one is laughing any more.
Schwass said the discipline of the Tigers’ team to let it happen has been critical as has the emergence of another midfielder in Anthony Miles to allow it.
“I wasn’t saying he is going to be as good as Leigh Matthews,” said Schwass, who commentates on Triple M. “I was just talking about their ability to be midfielders who could go forward and cause some real damage.
“Dustin is a kid with enormous confidence right now. He is one of those rare beasts who really wants the one-on-one isolated contact.
“A lot of the times he could take a mark, but he would rather the ball come in low and use his strength to push off and double back.
“And with Anthony Miles coming into the side, it has given Richmond the luxury of allowing Dustin to spend some time in attack.”
Former Richmond star Matthew Richardson agrees Martin’s work in attack has added a new dimension to the team’s potency.
“He is just so balanced as a footballer ... good players just don’t go to ground and he has that quality about him,” Richardson said.
“He has been the man for the moment in at least three games. If you are a defender, you don’t want to be on him inside 50m because he can turn you inside out and kick a goal on you almost in an instant.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/richmond-star-dustin-martin-unstoppable-oneout-close-to-goal-according-to-north-melbourne-champion-wayne-schwass/story-fnect155-1227049913761
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Power backman Trengove a fan of Dusty football
Harry Thring
afl.com.au
September 7, 2014 10:00 AM
JACKSON Trengove counts himself as a fully paid-up member of the Dustin Martin fan club.
After a contract crisis that almost saw him leave the Tigers last year, Martin has pieced together his most dominant season to date,
The 23-year-old has averaged more than 25 disposals a game this year and has also booted 27 goals to win selection in the All Australian squad of 40.
It's been two years since Trengove last got the chance to watch Martin up close, when Port and Richmond drew in round 23, 2012.
The tall defender has missed the last two clashes between the sides with injury.
"He (Martin) is a freak. He’d be one of the players that you'd want at your club," Trengove said.
"He's just so powerful up forward and he's very hard to beat one-on-one. It's not one-on-one with speed, it's actual one-on-one battles where he's pushing blokes around and out-manoeuvering them.
"Once he goes into the midfield, everyone knows how powerful he is at getting that ball out and getting it forward for them.
Praising the star Tiger is the easy part for Trengove, the complicated bit will be to shut him down in Sunday’s elimination final.
Trengove predicted Richmond would to try and isolate Martin in attack, but warned Power coach Ken Hinkley against trying to shut down the talented Tiger with the best matched defender.
Trengove said that tactic didn't work well last week against Fremantle, when the Power were too worried about the likes of Matthew Pavlich and Michael Walters rather than taking an holistic approach.
"Last week we probably focused a little too much on our individual matchups and not as a team, as a back six," he said.
"We've put a fair bit of focus into what they (Richmond) can do; they can bring Cotchin forward, they can bring Martin forward obviously, they like playing Martin one-on-one out of the square because he's so good at that.
"This week we're going to try and go back to playing as a group where you just rotate and mix and match.
"That's when we think we're playing the best footy - when we're really versatile with who we play on."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-07/dusty-a-freak-trengove
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Richmond star Dustin Martin reaps the rewards of more settled AFL lifestyle
Glenn McFarlane
Herald-Sun
September 07, 2014
A SILHOUETTED figure is wading in darkness in the shallows off Elwood Beach.
Hours earlier he would have been one of the state’s most recognisable faces — in appearance, reputation and tattooed arm-sleeve. Tonight he is just an anonymous figure doing a private recovery session.
He’s a regular here and lives just a short stroll away. None of the passers-by notice him, though they might be more attentive if they knew he is an AFL footballer.
More than that, he’s one of the great AFL stories of the season, and what he is doing late on this night has played a significant role in his success.
This is the Dustin Martin of 2014.
Far from the madding crowds ... far from the headlines — good and bad — that have played such a role in his AFL story so far ... far from the bright lights and temptations that can sometimes blind young stars.
The Dustin Martin of earlier times might have had a different version and location for his post-game recovery sessions.
But, according to those closest to him, and crucial in his development, this Richmond young bull has pulled his horns in.
They can see significant signs of this maturity on and off the field over the past 12 months that has seen him and his club begin to reap the rewards.
That much is certain as the Tigers prepare to take on Port Adelaide in today’s elimination final at Adelaide Oval in the club’s first back-to-back finals seasons since 1973-74 — almost 20 years before Martin’s birth.
“Sometimes he will just be out there in the bay, listening to music on his phone, just making sure he is doing everything possible to prepare himself for games,” his former teammate, best friend and house mate Dan Connors said. “Sometimes it is that dark, you can barely see out there.”
“Living with him, I know how he conducts himself during the week now. His professionalism is second to none.
“I think he just realises how much it helps his footy. He is a power athlete who is now maturing as a player. He knows the tips and secrets to get the best out of himself.”
That includes regular wading sessions at Elwood, his trips to the St Kilda Sea Baths, and his weekly visits down to Rye for regular massage sessions.
Then, there are his culinary pursuits. When he was the most monitored young footballer at Punt Rd. — perhaps even in the AFL — the Tigers took to paying for cooking lessons for him.
A few years on, Martin regularly cooks for Connors and Connors’ girlfriend, Chloe, with chicken, fish and salads on the menu.
“He is massive on organic food,” Connors said. “He shops everything organic from the supermarket.”
“He didn’t really know a lot about his body for a long time. He was probably playing at 90-plus kilos. Now he weighs about 87kg and that comes from preparing himself as best as he can.”
Martin’s measurements (187cm and 87kg) are now identical to the man whose number he wears — Royce Hart, when the Richmond legend was in his prime.
But it is not only diligence to his body that has made Martin one of the best performed players in the AFL this season.
It is also about the life choices he has made, and the support he has received from an assortment of mentors, as his sometimes chaotic young life has found equilibrium in the past year.
Richmond star Dustin Martin is unstoppable one-on-one close to goal. Picture: Simon Cross
Martin celebrates kicking the goal to sink Adelaide. Picture: Simon Cross Source: News Corp Australia
His coach Damien Hardwick said this week: “From my point of view, he’s been nothing short of outstanding this year.”
“His maturity level, like most young players, has improved and he’ll only get better over the course of time. He has made some really good decisions with his life.”
Martin’s best decision was to remain with the Tigers after a brief and potentially messy flirtation with leaving last September.
That came 12 months ago when he and his manager Ralph Carr decided to exercise their options and speak with other clubs after a long and fruitless contractual standoff.
It led to a much publicised tour of Greater Western Sydney’s facilities — all caught on camera — but what the vision didn’t show was that as much as Martin was not then contractually linked to Richmond, he was at least spiritually connected. When the Giants asked him about his mentors in life, he said they were Hardwick and his captain, Trent Cotchin.
The Giants felt he didn’t really want to leave; the Tigers were convinced he would stay, which he ended up doing after his approach to the market did not result in the level of interest that had been hoped.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said on SEN this week: “His manager felt need to go and test the market.”
“Dan Richardson (Tigers football director) has an acute understanding of the market and he was pretty confident the offer we put in front of Dustin we stood by and we said ‘if you want to go and test the market, please do, but you are a required player’.
“Look, at the end of the day, he’s with us. My view is that he was never going anywhere and he’s continued to grow as a player and young leader and his football has been terrific as well.”
Richardson, a former player manager, would not go into details about the frustrations of last September other than to say: “We always felt he had bought into Richmond ... that is all in the past now.”
Carr explained this week that it was not all about money; he said it had as much to do with Martin’s desire to be closer to his father, Shane, who lives in Sydney, and with whom he is very close.
He said: “He was missing his family and he asked us to explore his options.”
Twelve months on, Carr doesn’t care that he was criticised, including by Richmond, for his role in the stand-off, saying that Martin’s long-time welfare was his only priority.
“We are thrilled that he continued his association with the Richmond Football Club,” Carr said.
“When we signed Dustin ... our goal was to try and assist in helping to make him a better person, together with his family, and to come to terms with the responsibilities of becoming a professional footballer.”
A two-year deal was sorted, for less money than the player hoped for, but all parties insist there will be no residual issues when contract negotiations recommence next year on a new long-term deal.
Connors revealed that Martin’s Sydney-based father decided to show his support to his son by attending as many games as possible this year, as has his mother, who lives in northern Victoria.
“His old man is his biggest supporter,” he said. “I don’t think he missed a game in the first 14 or 15 rounds. Dustin is a very loyal person, and that’s something he has got from his family.”
So how close did Martin come to leaving?
Connors, who was sacked by Richmond in 2012, after he and Martin slept in and missed an early morning training session, thought he was gone.
“I thought it was pretty much all over for him at Richmond,” he said. “But I honestly think it has been the best thing for him to stay.”
The investment Richmond has made in a shy but sometimes wayward kid from Castlemaine — picked with No. 3 in the 2009 national draft — has not been without its trials, but is starting to pay serious dividends.
Now 23, he is favoured to win this year’s Jack Dyer Medal, was selected in the All-Australian squad of 40 last week and has been one of his club’s best weapons in its incredible second-half run to the finals.
Off the field, he seems more settled. Richmond and Carr have worked independently on building his confidence socially, developing a few commercial relationships and he is now comfortable in speaking engagements with the Korin Gamadji Institute (KGI), the club’s centre for indigenous youth.
“He handles himself as well as we could ask for,” Richardson said. “But I don’t think he is ever going to be a player who seeks out the media and we will never pressure him to.”
“My impressions have always been of a shy person who is working hard to do the right thing. He has a bit of a different background to a lot of us, but he is working hard at his own footy and his personal development.”
No one pretends it has been an easy pathway.
Martin has had several mentors, including Chris Newman, Cotchin (with whom he lived for a period last year) and assistant/development coach Mark Williams, whose family still has him over for dinner once a week.
Other close friends include teammate Aaron Edwards, as well as Collingwood star Dane Swan and St Kilda veteran Sam Fisher.
Carr immediately points to Williams as a key mentor, who has developed an affinity with the natural-born footballer who still needs guidance off the field.
One of Martin’s early mentors, Bendigo Pioneers talent manager Ray Byrne, was a former teammate of Williams’ at Collingwood. Last week he sought Williams out at a Magpies’ past player function to thank him for his mentoring.
“Dustin could have gone either way, but the good thing he has gone the right way, and that’s what is good about footy,” Byrne said.
“I think what ‘Choco’ (Williams) has been able to do is just clear his head of everything else and he only thinks about footy now. Everything else will just take care of itself in good time.”
Byrne knew from the moment he first saw Martin at Pioneers training that he was going to be an AFL star.
“He was just a natural,” he said. “And the way he is playing now is exactly the way he used to play in the TAC Cup. The only difference is now he does it for 100 minutes.
“If he looks after himself, he will win a Brownlow. He should captain the club. If he keeps going and is mentored the right way, he is going to be an incredible player.”
http://www.news.com.au/national/richmond-star-dustin-martin-reaps-the-rewards-of-more-settled-afl-lifestyle/story-e6frfkp9-1227049894916
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When Dan Connors is praising your professionalism you know you've made it. :help
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Gee Martin is in for an absolute hammering today....they are going to try everything on him ....I hope he is up to it and he doesn't overreact and do something silly. :pray
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course he stuffn is
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course he stuffn is
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Dustin Martin: Reminiscent of the Raging Bull from Victoria Park
By Nick Butler
The Roar
2 Oct 2014
While player comparisons in sport are usually fruitless, this season one player has reminded me of another champion from a bygone era. Indeed, these two players have so many similarities it’s scary.
Dustin Martin took his game to a whole new level this year and he may be this generation’s ‘Raging Bull’, one of the nicknames given to former champion Collingwood midfielder Darren Millane.
A recent flashback of the 1990 grand final provided this Collingwood tragic an opportunity to relive past glories (we need them at the minute).
After watching the last quarter I decided to break out the 1990 Road to Victory DVD and could not believe how much watching Millane reminded me of Martin.
They are essentially the same footballing type, both standing at 187 centimetres and at 23 years old both were around the 90kg mark. They both have hard, inside midfielder bodies and yet have explosive speed and a terrific burst of pace away from the contest.
The attack both display on the ball is ferocious, while both are also blessed with a sublime set of foot skills and subtle touch. Even their running styles are similar and while ungainly are surprisingly effective.
Both Millane and Martin grew up among humble beginnings and football was a way for them to make a better life for themselves. In his early days Millane had trained with Hawthorn before leaving the club unhappy with the environment, heading back to play for Dandenong before settling at Collingwood. Martin too flirted with the idea of leaving Richmond and seeking greener pastures before deciding to commit to the Tigers.
Their character traits show similar personalities both on and off the field, with both players known for enjoying themselves away from football, but being committed to their respective teams’ cause.
While Millane was largely a wingman, Martin runs through both the middle and forward lines, however their ability to win the contested ball is startlingly similar.
Millane would often charge off his wing at kick-outs and be a main marking target due to his one-on-one ability in the air and on the ground. He was a safe kick for Magpie fullbacks because he rarely lost the contest. Incredibly, Martin has turned himself statistically into the best one-on-one player in the competition and this season has a winning percentage of 56 per cent when involved in a duel with an opponent. Giving this figure some perspective, the league average currently sits at just 26 per cent.
Millane was 23 when he won his only best and fairest with the Magpies in 1987, and Martin has followed his runner-up finish last year with another top-three placing in the Jack Dyer medal earlier in the week.
In their 1990 premiership year Millane was then voted by the playing group as the Leigh Matthews Trophy winner as the best player in the AFL, something Martin is certainly capable of in the years to come.
Both are real grunt footballers who play on enormous heart, with the harder edges often disguising their wonderful skills. Watching Dustin Martin carve up the MCG this year has reminded me of all the old footage when the Raging Bull of Victoria Park used to tear down a wing.
Ultimately Millane’s career was tragically cut short while still in his prime at 26 with 147 games and we will never know how good he might have become. But perhaps Martin, given he seems to share so many character and playing traits, may give fans a glimpse of how Millane’s career might have unfolded should he continue to develop into the Tigers own version of the Raging Bull.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/10/02/dustin-martin-reminiscent-raging-bull-victoria-park/
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Great to see the big fella back at the ME Bank Centre before the rest of the boys next week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27CO2uCMAAKaVP.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/media
:thumbsup
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Hope he's just scratching his shoulder there....
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Just giving them a rub after carrying the team.
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Just giving them a rub after carrying the team.
hahaha yes!! :thumbsup
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5 years please!!!!!
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Morris talking about Dusty ...
Martin in mint condition
richmondfc.com.au
February 16, 2015 10:54 AM
The plan is for Martin to spend more time in the midfield this year, and his Tiger teammate Steven Morris believes he’s ready to become one of the elite players of the competition.
“I must say I haven’t seen Dusty work harder,” Morris said.
“Everyone knows about his X-factor and how special a player he is, but just his consistency really stood out for me last year . . . He was just so consistent for us.
“Whether we were playing well or playing poorly, Dusty continued his really consistent form right throughout the season."
Read more: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-16/martin-in-mint-condition
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Great to see the big fella back at the ME Bank Centre before the rest of the boys next week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27CO2uCMAAKaVP.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/media
:thumbsup
Good rig.
Been running heaps by the look of him.
Less weights.
Still strong as stuff but leaner.
Better.
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Top Tiger’s tank top-up
richmondfc.com.au
February 18, 2015
Increased stamina has been a key focus for Richmond star Dustin Martin throughout this pre-season.
Martin is diligently working on his endurance in a bid to spend even more time in the midfield in 2015.
“Obviously you try and improve all over the place, but I’m just trying to get that ‘engine’ up to another level,” he told ‘Roar Vision’.
“I’d probably like to be majority midfield, and then be able to go forward and do a bit of damage, hopefully.”
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-02-18/top-tigers-tank-topup
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Great to see the big fella back at the ME Bank Centre before the rest of the boys next week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27CO2uCMAAKaVP.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/media
:thumbsup
Good rig.
Been running heaps by the look of him.
Less weights.
Still strong as stuff but leaner.
Better.
Seen him a few times around the tan this summer, not with the team by the way 'doing the hard yards' :thumbsup
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Great to see the big fella back at the ME Bank Centre before the rest of the boys next week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27CO2uCMAAKaVP.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/media
:thumbsup
Good rig.
Been running heaps by the look of him.
Less weights.
Still strong as stuff but leaner.
Better.
Seen him a few times around the tan this summer, not with the team by the way 'doing the hard yards' :thumbsup
Yep. I was driving up Punt Rd the Sunday of the Australia day weekend and I saw him kicking a footy around on his own :thumbsup
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Should've shown him how it's done
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SuperCoach jury: Expert verdict on Dustin Martin
Herald-Sun
February 24, 2015
DUSTIN MARTIN ($534,900 mid/fwd)
Jay Clark: The more midfield time the better for Dusty and the DPP makes him a must-have. Coming into his prime.
Ben Higgins (2014 Herald Sun office league champ): Has been knocked down the pecking order with the arrival of Deledio and Goddard et al as forward options. However, he is extremely consistent and is Richmond’s go-to man in transition. He’s just as good as the top-priced guys and comes at a cheaper price.
Al Paton: Looking forward to the Dusty-Lids combo in my forward line. Damien Hardwick wants to play him more in the guts, if he can add five disposals a game he becomes super elite.
Patrick Warman (2014 SuperCoach winner): Word is he has increased his tank, will only get better. Lots of good forward options but he’s right in the mix.
John Bruyn (2013 SuperCoach winner): Dusty is already a great SuperCoach scorer but just doesn’t seem to go big as often as other premiums. Absolutely not a bad pick but I’m not convinced it’s crucial to start him.
Jock Reynolds (host of Jock Reynolds fantasy football podcast): It’s all about his engine. If he comes into this season with the ability to run out a game — look out.
http://www.news.com.au/national/supercoach-jury-expert-verdict-on-patrick-dangerfield-lance-franklin-dustin-martin-and-more/story-e6frfkp9-1227235853891
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Dusty only knows one way - don't argue with it :thumbsup
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Dustin Martin fends away Port Adelaide youngster Darcy Byrne-Jones. Picture: Colleen Petch Source: News Corp Australia
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Was discussing Dusty's don't argue yesterday and I can't work out why it's not taught a lot more as a genuine skill in the game, just like long handballs, the drop punt and banana kicks have evolved from one man party tricks into bona fide skills. Done properly it makes it so much harder for a chaser to tackle you and gives you breathing space to dispose of the ball more effectively.
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game of half back. ?
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Was discussing Dusty's don't argue yesterday and I can't work out why it's not taught a lot more as a genuine skill in the game, just like long handballs, the drop punt and banana kicks have evolved from one man party tricks into bona fide skills. Done properly it makes it so much harder for a chaser to tackle you and gives you breathing space to dispose of the ball more effectively.
Not to mention the intimidation factor for the tackler who knows its coming but has stuff all of an idea as to how he can stop it.
Reckon that port player looked defeated even before his spaghetti armed attempt to tackle
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Chucked 20 e/w @ 50s for brownlow
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BOG yesterday by the length of the strait. :thumbsup
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
Will start in the back pocket against Carlton! ;D
They will never be expecting that!!!
Master stroke! :shh
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Another Hardwick gem coming up
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Great to see the big fella back at the ME Bank Centre before the rest of the boys next week
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B27CO2uCMAAKaVP.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/media
:thumbsup
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Good rig.
Been running heaps by the look of him.
Less weights.
Still strong as stuff but leaner.
Better.
Seen him a few times around the tan this summer, not with the team by the way 'doing the hard yards' :thumbsup
Yep. I was driving up Punt Rd the Sunday of the Australia day weekend and I saw him kicking a footy around on his own :thumbsup
That's what it's all about.
Love this boy.
Adoption in order
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Was discussing Dusty's don't argue yesterday and I can't work out why it's not taught a lot more as a genuine skill in the game, just like long handballs, the drop punt and banana kicks have evolved from one man party tricks into bona fide skills. Done properly it makes it so much harder for a chaser to tackle you and gives you breathing space to dispose of the ball more effectively.
U can't teach it to that level.
I'd expect he was doing this naturally at age 5.
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Best player at the club by a stuffen mile. ....and some imbeciles here were saying "stuff him off" over his contract stalling. Lmao.
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Was discussing Dusty's don't argue yesterday and I can't work out why it's not taught a lot more as a genuine skill in the game, just like long handballs, the drop punt and banana kicks have evolved from one man party tricks into bona fide skills. Done properly it makes it so much harder for a chaser to tackle you and gives you breathing space to dispose of the ball more effectively.
U can't teach it to that level.
I'd expect he was doing this naturally at age 5.
It is a stock standard rugby fend off. If you have played rugby you would of been taught this to break through tacklers. Not sure why people think it is something unique.
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Side step is much more valued in rugby
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game of half back. ?
Great game yesterday.
Some of his field kicking was sublime
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Was discussing Dusty's don't argue yesterday and I can't work out why it's not taught a lot more as a genuine skill in the game, just like long handballs, the drop punt and banana kicks have evolved from one man party tricks into bona fide skills. Done properly it makes it so much harder for a chaser to tackle you and gives you breathing space to dispose of the ball more effectively.
U can't teach it to that level.
I'd expect he was doing this naturally at age 5.
It is a stock standard rugby fend off. If you have played rugby you would of been taught this to break through tacklers. Not sure why people think it is something unique.
We don't.
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game of half back. ?
Great game yesterday.
Some of his field kicking was sublime
Some? Nearly all. ;D
He spent most of his time across half half back and was clearly the go to or release player so I'm not sure where the notion he played mainly on ball comes from.? The amount of times his kicking created an instant transition from defense to attack is exactly what you want across half back.
The other thing i liked was his tackling. It had intensity, as if he actually wanted to tackle rather than just doing it because he knew it was required of him.
I missed the part where he was supposedly in th BP did he just follow his player down there?
We have a player who has shown he can dominate a game in the middle, across half back and up forward. Thats a pretty handy package.
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
Pretty good, what time he actually spent there, but we all knew he could play through the middle.
What did you think of his work across half back?
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
Pretty good, what time he actually spent there, but we all knew he could play through the middle.
What did you think of his work across half back?
Sublime. ;D
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I haven't watched a game yet but i can tell you, he was great.
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I haven't watched a game yet but i can tell you, he was great.
Your a hard man, but an honest man at that.
A few of you could learn a bit from this. Shame on you all >:(
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Shame shame shame
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I'm a catalyst of shame
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Some? Nearly all. ;D
Nah just some, he muffed a few, can't let that go through to the keeper ;D
The other thing i liked was his tackling. It had intensity, as if he actually wanted to tackle rather than just doing it because he knew it was required of him.
Agree, his tackle on Matt White, after Matty tried the "don't argue" on him was a ripper
We have a player who has shown he can dominate a game in the middle, across half back and up forward. Thats a pretty handy package.
:clapping
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Thank the footy gods Carlton didnt offer him 700 a season 2 yrs ago
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White don't arguing Martin. ;D
Talk about bringing a limp penis to a gun fight.
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White don't arguing Martin. ;D
Talk about bringing a limp penis to a gun fight.
:lol
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Thank the footy gods Carlton didnt offer him 700 a season 2 yrs ago
That no one else offered Martin a huge contract to lure him awayat the time shows that the football world in general was wary of his non football issues.
I know some dont want to give RFC any credit what so ever, but in hindsight they played the situation correctly and it seems they have managed him well to this point in time since, both on and off field.
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
Pretty good, what time he actually spent there, but we all knew he could play through the middle.
What did you think of his work across half back?
Sublime. ;D
Was good as a sweeper on the odd occasion he was there but he wasn't there for long.
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
I thought he was fantastic. Way too good for the undermanned Port midfield. More of that please.
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
I thought he was fantastic. Way too good for the undermanned Port midfield. More of that please.
As in, please Port, select a crappy team every time we play them?
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Easily best on ground for mine, What did people think of Dusty's game from the centre. ?
Pretty good, what time he actually spent there, but we all knew he could play through the middle.
What did you think of his work across half back?
Sublime. ;D
Was good as a sweeper on the odd occasion he was there but he wasn't there for long.
LMAO, you must definately have some sort of filter on your TV.
Watch again and tell us how many center bounces Martin started in the square and what percentage of his disposals were in the opposition half of the ground.
Are you denying that he was the go to player across half back, that players were not constantly trying to the ball to him across that line?
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Over half I reckon
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Over half I reckon
does that mean, like one?
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Over half I reckon
does that mean, like one?
Depends on the state you are watching it in
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Destructive Dusty back at it
After last week's scrappy win over Carlton, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said he hoped to get better games from his better players in coming weeks. Dustin Martin accepted the challenge. The star Tiger was at his damaging best early against the Bulldogs, with 11 touches and a long goal in the opening term. In what would have annoyed impatient AFL Fantasy coaches who traded Martin out of their teams this week, he kept going and was clearly the most significant Richmond midfielder against the Dogs. He closed the game with 31 disposals and six tackles (and 114 Fantasy points for those who let him go).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-11/dogs-get-some-forward-bite
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Pffft sounds great on paper.
Did a handful of nice things, some great long passes. But nowhere near that destructive.
Pity he hasn't any real mongrel in him. Would be a real weapon if he was a bit more dirty towards opposition players.
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He was shyte again with his mate Cotch.
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Gerard Healy: 'Dustin Martin plays A-grade games, but he's not an A-grader because he doesn't play those games often enough'
https://twitter.com/3AWSportsToday/status/592982724912107520
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Since he has resigned been very poor gone missing just wondering has Dimma put the shackles on him.
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We've turned him into an outside runner who loves getting the 1-2 ala Cotch. I miss the competitive beast he was in his first couple years.
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He wasn't too shabby last year just quietly :shh
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We've turned him into an outside runner who loves getting the 1-2 ala Cotch. I miss the competitive beast he was in his first couple years.
This.
Another example of Dimma re inventing the wheel.
FFS play him to his strengths. :help
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Yep sometime late in the 4th when we had a sniff we were blessed to have Dustin coming off half back because we had the clearance machine in Grigg playing in the middle and not even to tag Selwood :banghead :banghead
Not sure why Martin can't do both? Have him in the centre bounce and around the ruckmans feet in throw ins and once play opens up let him be that outside runner. Instead we seem to want to leave him outside at all costs
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I dont like what we've done to Dusty either. We've made him completely outside. He gets a million handball receives in the backline, half the time when it's unnecessary. He's forgotten how to win his own ball. In his first year he absolutely smashed the contested ball. He was like a bulldozer. Now he plays like Brent Stanton.
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How to create a mediocre footballer....
Step 1 - Take one gun footballer.
Step 2 - Send to Richmond Football Club.
Step 3 - Wait.
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How to create a mediocre footballer....
Step 1 - Take one gun footballer.
Step 2 - Send to Richmond Football Club.
Step 3 - Wait.
Step 4 - Player loses all confidence turns into a Dud
Step 5 - Delist to another club
Step 6 - Player wins Brownlow at new Club
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Worst coach in the comp
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How to create a mediocre footballer....
Step 1 - Take one gun footballer.
Step 2 - Send to Richmond Football Club.
Step 3 - Wait.
Step 4 - Underachieves in 5 years at the club and is traded.
Step 5 - we trade for a recycled dud who clogs the list for another 5-7 years.
Step 6- The two players who went directly after the original selection win flags, AFLPA most valuable player, Brownlows, Colemans you name it and turn out to be what we needed in the first place.
Step 7- FJ gets a 300% pay rise.
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Dusty's new nickname should be the closer. In the past two weeks, he's gone into the middle and set up crucial matchwinning goals in the last quarters. Back-to-back centres clearance late against the Pies which got us the matchwinning lead and then yesterday he first smothered Lobbe's kick at a centre stoppage which lead to one goal followed by smart play through the middle which finished up in Titch kicking the sealer.
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“We’ve been encouraging him to play like the Luke Hodges of the world that use their bodies as a battering ram,” Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said on SEN.
“We think for Dustin to play his best footy, and to take his game to a new level, that’s where his game has to go.
“We’ve been really pleased. I think he’s averaged about 13 or 14 contested balls over about the last four or five weeks.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-06-11/dustin-a-dynamo
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Does hardwick beat off over Luke hodge memories?
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Dusty's 3 goals from his 31 possession game last night. One of only a small few who actually turned up to play from the start.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2015-06-19/round-12-martin-kicks-three
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Excellent game. Not sure where we would be without dusty.
His a pure match winner and IMO the only one we have along with Jack
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Brilliant last night
He is and this a word I don't use as often as the media et all do but he is a champion and one that can get better
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Brilliant last night
He is and this a word I don't use as often as the media et all do but he is a champion and one that can get better
Totally agree. Last 2 weeks have been his most rounded as a player. Gun.
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Would have been done by 50+ if not for this player. Best we have had at the club for a very long time. To the fools that didn't want to throw the cheque book at him when he looked elsewhere, well, you are fools.
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why? we kept him without throwing the cheque book at him, but paid market value
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why? we kept him without throwing the cheque book at him, but paid market value
One would think that this would be the ideal scenario. Ah well
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why? we kept him without throwing the cheque book at him, but paid market value
I used to have a man crush on you al, but sorry, it's all about Dusty now bro.... :snidegrin
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Brilliant last night
He is and this a word I don't use as often as the media et all do but he is a champion and one that can get better
I'd like those who didn't care if we kept him or not to go forth and multiply with one another....and then delete themselves on the grounds they have nfi about what it takes.
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Brilliant last night
He is and this a word I don't use as often as the media et all do but he is a champion and one that can get better
I'd like those who didn't care if we kept him or not to go forth and multiply with one another....and then delete themselves on the grounds they have nfi about what it takes.
This!!!
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In the best form of his career. Good on him.
Doing it all. :)
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Those going can ask Dusty if he's playing on Sunday.
(https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11327890_101876186828457_1040900273_n.jpg)
https://instagram.com/p/5MKeaMRFRB/
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Epping is in Neverland?......... No wonder I've never visited there.
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If you don't have an extra long t-shirt under your jumper so it looks like you're wearing a skirt, 3 quarter length pants to show off the fact you aren't wearing socks (or you're wearing those socks that little girls wear with their ballet shoes so it gives the same effect) and your hair in a pony tail so your boyfriend can pull on it then I wouldn't recommend going. You won't fit in with the Neverland crowd.
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If you don't have an extra long t-shirt under your jumper so it looks like you're wearing a skirt, 3 quarter length pants to show off the fact you aren't wearing socks (or you're wearing those socks that little girls wear with their ballet shoes so it gives the same effect) and your hair in a pony tail so your boyfriend can pull on it then I wouldn't recommend going. You won't fit in with the Neverland crowd.
:lol
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Was that him sinking back the beers last night at the Rugby. :cheers
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No ::)
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HTFWYK?
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HTFWYK?
:lol
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Literally just spoke to dusty an hour ago [ed. earlier today at Epping]... Said he was a certain starter tomorrow... No reason he'd tell me any secrets but no reason to flat out lie either.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/round-16-richmond-vs-st-kilda-etihad-sunday-4-40pm-19-07-2015.1103908/page-27#post-39684295
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Dusty playing. So, so much for the Herald-Sun's "whispers".
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(http://martjackstorage.blob.core.windows.net/in-resources/8bc891df-075f-4c0f-8b2b-d5119f025994/Images/ProductImages/Large/om01035.jpg)
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So many don't argues tonight. Puts a smile on my face every time.
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Baaaaaaaalllll
Sorry not ball if he puts a hand in your face
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just gotta love the crowd calling " Baaallll" every time someone even looks like getting tackled :lol
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just gotta love the crowd calling " Baaallll" every time someone even looks like getting tackled :lol
The worst, is when a player get tackled literally micro seconds after the ball is passed to him
Baaaaalllll
Wtf u morons :huh
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dont worry some on here complain when we dont get the free for laying such tackles :shh
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just gotta love the crowd calling " Baaallll" every time someone even looks like getting tackled :lol
The worst, is when a player get tackled literally micro seconds after the ball is passed to him
Baaaaalllll
Wtf u morons :huh
They did pay one against us yesterday though just like that
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Guess who will be doing plenty of goalkicking practice this week. He's never kicked at goal with a 'square-on' technique to line-up his body and increase accuracy. He instead swings his right foot around his body more like a field kick.
Btw, Dusty also kicked 4 behinds against Freo in round 17 two years ago. Deja vu except he kicked at least one goal as well and we won that day.
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His form has dropped in the past 4 or so rounds. Does anyone know if he Is he carrying an injury or something?
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Playing like a girl
Should of just knocked out that wanker
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Spurr got into his head and his game was ruined before he got going properly.
Needs to grow up some more. Be a man and let his football do the talking.
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Dusty is our No.1 player for pressure acts.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-21/the-inquirer-putting-the-clamps-on
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He is our number 1 player end of story.
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Good on Dusty for improving this facet of his game. I have real concerns about our pressure though and Dusty's average being comfortably the lowest in that table certainly reflects this.
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Match winner, best we have, end of story.
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Guy, is an absolute GUN!!!
Thought he wanted to go and thought he was going to go, then when he stayed I thought, far out he wanted to go and I doubt he will play his best footy now that he wanted to leave.
DID HE PROVE ME WRONG!!! GUN!!!!
Will kick 4 maybe 5 tomorrow.
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Guy, is an absolute GUN!!!
Thought he wanted to go and thought he was going to go, then when he stayed I thought, far out he wanted to go and I doubt he will play his best footy now that he wanted to leave.
DID HE PROVE ME WRONG!!! GUN!!!!
Will kick 4 maybe 5 tomorrow.
Said many, many times as most on here know he never, ever wanted to leave the RFC. To suggest otherwise is wrong.
His manager shopped him around like piece of rib eye steak, gave him some horrendous advice but the kid himself never wanted to leave and was never going to
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Agree WP he didn't want to leave , BUT at the B&F or season launch, he did take responsibility for the whole sordid episode & even said he instigated the GWS visit
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Agree WP he didn't want to leave , BUT at the B&F or season launch, he did take responsibility for the whole sordid episode & even said he instigated the GWS visit
Was there that night and yes he took the rap for all of it, BUT that was in part to take the heat off his manager.
Can assure you that the idea of visting/speaking to other clubs was driven by his manager. No doubt about it from where I type ;) ;D
in the end it really doesn't matter now as he is a Tiger
I just get annoyed when people still bring up he wanted to leave, because I know that isn't/wasn't the case
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I followed that entire saga pretty closely and it was clear in the aftermath he never wanted to leave. RFC handled it beautifully, called the bluff and we got him for the fair market price and not overs. Shame his manager treated him like such a commodity but you can't hold it against them overly for wanting their moneys worth.
Every other club knew or suspected it was a ruse, I'll never forget Leon Cameron being interviewed and stating that clearly "Yellow and Black were in the eyes". I still almost choke up thinking about it.
Dusty = Yellow and Black warrior. I'll never hold that rubbish against him.
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Agree WP he didn't want to leave , BUT at the B&F or season launch, he did take responsibility for the whole sordid episode & even said he instigated the GWS visit
Was there that night and yes he took the rap for all of it, BUT that was in part to take the heat off his manager.
Can assure you that the idea of visting/speaking to other clubs was driven by his manager. No doubt about it from where I type ;) ;D
in the end it really doesn't matter now as he is a Tiger
I just get annoyed when people still bring up he wanted to leave, because I know that isn't/wasn't the case
Nothing wrong with saying you thought he was going to leave and admitting you were proven wrong
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People definitely thought he either wanted to leave OR didn't deserve to be at the club because he "shopped" himself around (Ralf Carr) and as a result, we're basically saying
"stuff him. He's bad news anyway"
To you, I say this - you're idiots.
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I know Dustin has had a lot of success one out in the forward line but i wouldn't mind seeing move around and at the ball carrier when they're approaching rather than just calling for it on his head and hoping to push his opponent out of the way. Would be unstoppable if he added that dimension to his forward play.
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Another stand out effort from Dusty last night. Really handled it well, they were at him all night and he responded the best way possible!! :clapping
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Another stand out effort from Dusty last night. Really handled it well, they were at him all night and he responded the best way possible!! :clapping
He was told to calm it down. He was ready to explode in rage. ;D
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Firmly believe this man can carry us a long way in the finals.we do have lids and jack and cotch and rance but this guy can turn a game on its head in minutes..Lets see
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His defensive pressure was right up there :bow
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not sure if people noticed one particular kick coming off half back last night.I think it probably went 60 metres and I think it was titch who had to move a fraction of millimetre before it hit him on the chest
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Yes he did that a couple of times, his long kicking to hit targets is phenomenal..
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special
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A special beast.
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Gun
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Needs to calm down a bit at times
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Looks like a bull in the training photos
Forza dusty man
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Dusty given time to visit deported dad
Herald-Sun
14 April 2016
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says the club will continue to support Dustin Martin’s trips to New Zealand to visit his deported father.
Hardwick said the star midfielder was experiencing a testing time after his father, Shane, had his visa cancelled due to character assessments on the eve of the season.
Hardwick said Martin, 24, was resilient enough to handle the difficult situation.
“It is a challenging time but Dustin is obviously very close to his dad and we will continue to give him some time with his dad overseas — obviously he’s in New Zealand at the moment,” Hardwick said.
“All Dustin can do is let his football (do the talking and) play well on the weekends and his personal life will take care of itself.
“Dustin is very resilient with this type of thing. He has matured incredibly over the time we have had him at the football club.
“We are very proud of him and he has had a pretty good season thus far. Probably a little bit down last week but he is a good player.”
Hardwick said there was no plan to ease back Martin’s football commitments at this stage.
“We monitor all of our players with regard to their physical and mental wellbeing and Dustin is no different to that, so we will monitor him according to those indicators that we have,” he said.
The Tigers today flew to Perth to take on West Coast at Subiaco Oval tomorrow night.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-will-be-given-the-time-he-needs-to-visit-his-deported-father-in-new-zealand/news-story/d9d44bd623510b51a33911a10cc774ab
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Best thing the club has done and said since the finals last year!!! I hope his Dad is allowed back one day when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
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Kudos to the Club - nothing more important than family; nothing
... when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
:lol :lol ... forgive me but I am not quite sure which archaic & totalitarian laws your are referring to
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Kudos to the Club - nothing more important than family; nothing
... when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
:lol :lol ... forgive me but I am not quite sure which archaic & totalitarian laws your are referring to
reading your emails with permission?
arresting people for non violent protesting?
killing innocent children in the name of oil?
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Kudos to the Club - nothing more important than family; nothing
... when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
:lol :lol ... forgive me but I am not quite sure which archaic & totalitarian laws your are referring to
Anti-consorting for 1. Association for 2. When you are deported because of the people you choose to see its a farce!!!
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Kudos to the Club - nothing more important than family; nothing
... when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
:lol :lol ... forgive me but I am not quite sure which archaic & totalitarian laws your are referring to
Consorting for 1. Association for 2. When you are deported because of the people you choose to see its a farce!!!
Really? Those laws, nothing to do with possible criminal connections via outlawed bikie gangs. And before you go whacking me, that's the reason if you read all the reports.
Some pretty serious stuff i would have thought
And BTW he has a right to appeal, and perhaps that what he should do
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reading your emails with permission?
arresting people for non violent protesting?
killing innocent children in the name of oil?
Right on queue, you post stuff totally irrelevant to the discussion and topic. ::) ::)
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Kudos to the Club - nothing more important than family; nothing
... when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
:lol :lol ... forgive me but I am not quite sure which archaic & totalitarian laws your are referring to
Consorting for 1. Association for 2. When you are deported because of the people you choose to see its a farce!!!
Really? Those laws, nothing to do with possible criminal connections via outlawed bikie gangs. And before you go whacking me, that's the reason if you read all the reports.
Some pretty serious stuff i would have thought
And BTW he has a right to appeal, and perhaps that what he should do
Yes under the archaic anti-association laws!! He does not even have a criminal record, he was deported for the people he chooses to see....Pretty totalitarian and dictatorial in a country where we let terrorists in and treat pedophiles better..
Yeah appeal... :lol :lol :lol....sure just like Alex Vella did...
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Anyway, there is bit more to it than you hear about in reports. I'm glad Dusty gets to see his Dad, I will leave it at that! Otherwise.. :police:
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Best thing the club has done and said since the finals last year!!! I hope his Dad is allowed back one day when this country moves on from the archaic and totalitarian laws we are subjected to.
We will go from being Nth Korea to Sth Korea?
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What a crock of poo.
24 year old badass can't go the season without seeing daddy
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I hope they deport all Hawthorn fans for their association with thugs and miscreants of low moral character.
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I hope they deport all Hawthorn fans for their association with thugs and miscreants of low moral character.
Apex gang that robs em? :shh
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I hope they deport all Hawthorn fans for their association with thugs and miscreants of low moral character.
Apex gang that robs em? :shh
I was thinking of Dipper and Dermie but Apex thugs are about the same level of neanderthal
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Anyway, there is bit more to it than you hear about in reports. I'm glad Dusty gets to see his Dad, I will leave it at that! Otherwise.. :police:
On this we agree there is alot more to this ;)
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Child slave trade?
Unpay parking fines? Don't leave us hanging winky
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Meanwhile these are the people in society that get treated better, I wonder if they should be deported, I mean with that surname they surely couldn't be Australian ...go figure.
http://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/the-queensland-child-rape-case-still-haunting-a-community/news-story/a58d6453462cddb58c113073a54b5cab
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:lol
of course, how is it even remotely possible that someone with a non anglo surname could be Australian?
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:lol
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:lol
of course, how is it even remotely possible that someone with a non anglo surname could be Australian?
Unlike you to completely miss the point!!!!
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Your point is completely clear.
I wonder if they should be deported, I mean with that surname they surely couldn't be Australian
find a report of unsavoury criminal activity that involves non anglo names and suggest they should be deported, because "with that surname they surely couldn't be Australian"
pretty straight forward Neanderthal thinking there. not sure how you would expect that to be interpreted as anything else?
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Tigers to help ‘down’ Dusty visit dad
Herald-Sun
15 April 2016
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin can expect some attention from West Coast dynamo Elliot Yeo tonight as the Tiger attempts to bounce back from a quiet performance last weekend.
Martin, whose father Shane was deported to New Zealand over alleged links to a motorcycle group, could use next week’s eight-day break to visit his dad before the Round 5 clash against Melbourne.
Martin had 25 possessions in last weekend’s loss to the Crows but was “probably a little bit down”, according to coach Damien Hardwick.
Hardwick said the club will support Martin’s trips to New Zealand to visit his deported father.
Hardwick said the star midfielder was experiencing a testing time after his father, Shane, had his visa cancelled due to character assessments on the eve of the season.
Hardwick said Martin, 24, was resilient enough to handle the difficult situation.
“It is a challenging time but Dustin is obviously very close to his dad and we will continue to give him some time with his dad overseas — obviously he’s in New Zealand at the moment,” Hardwick said.
“All Dustin can do is let his football (do the talking and) play well on the weekends and his personal life will take care of itself.
“Dustin is very resilient with this type of thing. He has matured incredibly over the time we have had him at the football club.
“We are very proud of him and he has had a pretty good season thus far. Probably a little bit down last week but he is a good player.”
Dustin Martin will be allowed to visit his dad in New Zealand. Picture: Getty Images
Hardwick said there was no plan to ease back Martin’s football commitments at this stage.
“We monitor all of our players with regard to their physical and mental wellbeing and Dustin is no different to that, so we will monitor him according to those indicators that we have,” he said.
Yeo was given the job on Fremantle superstar Nat Fyfe in the Eagles’ win over the Dockers last weekend.
West Coast coach Adam Simpson commended Yeo for his role on Fyfe and said The Eagle’s strong-bodied midfielder could cross paths with Martin tonight.
“We let him (Yeo) go head to head with Fyfe and I was really happy with how he played the role out and … for the most part they had a reasonably good battle,” Simpson said.
“That’s (role on Martin) something we will look at with ‘Yeoy’.
“Not many people tag at all anymore, but we tend to match up some of our good inside players against the opposition’s good inside players and ‘Yeoy’ did it for us at the weekend.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-will-be-given-the-time-he-needs-to-visit-his-deported-father-in-new-zealand/news-story/d9d44bd623510b51a33911a10cc774ab
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Have a gut feel that Dusty is going to get extra attention and in his current state of mind could do something stupid. The very last thing we need now is for him to get reported.
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Dustin Martin Richmond, biggest strength not being used, form slump in 2016 AFL season, one-on-one contests
Ben Waterworth
Foxsports
28 April 2016
DUSTIN Martin isn’t the only toothless Tiger at the moment.
But with Richmond desperately needing a spark this season, the 24-year-old’s greatest strength is being curiously underutilised.
It's no surprise that his form decline has coincided with the Tigers’ horror start to the season.
When the Tigers have needed inspiration in previous seasons, they have often turned to Martin to ease the pressure.
Clear out the forward line, plonk Dusty deep inside 50 one-on-one with his opponent and let him go to work — it’s been an effective winning formula.
Since Champion Data began recording the stat back in 2012, Martin has been the competition’s best player for one-on-one contest victories, pipping the likes of Nat Fyfe, Aaron Sandilands and Patrick Dangerfield in the rankings. Overall, he’s won 47 per cent of the one-on-one contests he’s been involved in — the best percentage of any player in that time.
But in 2016, it seems as if Martin has been invisible to his Tigers teammates — remarkable considering how much attention he commands on the footy field.
Last year, Martin won 15 and neutralised seven of his 27 one-one-one contests — ranked No. 1 in the AFL.
Five games into 2016, he’s been involved in just one man-on-man contest.
One.
Remember, this is the best one-on-one player in the competition operating in an era where the ability to win the ball in contested situations is vital.
Yet Martin has only been able to show off his best asset — his one-on-one strength — once. For the record, he won that contest.
What makes this so puzzling is that Martin this year is spending more time in the forward line — the area of the field where most one-on-one contests occur — than he did during his career-best season in 2015. He spent just 40 per cent game time playing as a forward last year, yet is playing 50 per cent game time as a forward this season.
Is Martin simply not putting himself in dangerous positions? He might be playing as a forward half the time, but he’s won 67 per cent of his possessions in the defensive half this season.
Or is this a case where Martin can shift the blame?
A big reason why Martin’s teammates potentially aren’t kicking the ball to him is because the Tigers aren’t moving the ball quickly enough.
According to Champion Data, Richmond is ranked 14th in the competition for transition speed, which is the time taken for a team to move the ball from defensive 50 to forward 50. Mind you, the Tigers are ranked 17th in the league for inside 50 differential.
What adds to the intrigue is that the Tigers have only targeted Martin inside forward 50 just once this year, which was during the second term against Melbourne on the weekend.
He took the mark — his first in the arc this season — then converted his set-shot for a goal.
But that goal, remarkably, was just his second in five games this season, highlighting his inability to impact the scoreboard this year.
Martin kicked 24 goals playing predominantly as an on-baller last year, but has contributed just two from a near 50-50 split of forward and midfield time in 2016. His score involvements have also dropped from seven to five per game compared.
The scoreboard isn’t the only area where Martin is suffering, with his ability to win the ball, as well as his trademark explosiveness, somewhat lacking.
Last year, he was ranked seventh in the competition for metres gained, averaging 470m per game. This season, Martin’s metreage has decreased significantly, only gaining an average of 304m a match — ranked well outside the top 100 in the league. This has also seen Martin average career-low inside 50s (two per game).
Not helping the situation has been the narrowing of Martin’s kick-to-handball ratio, averaging career-high handballs (11) this season and his lowest kicks per game since 2010 (13). In 2014 and 2015, he was in the top three in the league for average kicks.
Again, the Tigers’ poor ball movement and transition speed could be a reason behind the numbers. They more often than not don’t take risks rebounding from defence, opting to kick sideways and backwards towards the boundary line rather than going for high-risk, high-reward options through the guts.
Richmond needs a spark from someone immediately. And Martin desperately needs a spike in form.
If coach Damien Hardwick wanted to kill two birds with one stone, the time has come to use his star’s best quality.
Isolate Dusty in the forward arc.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dustin-martin-biggest-strength-not-being-used-at-richmond-in-form-slump-in-2016-afl-season/news-story/1b0af087c1635642e7886989f4113872
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Oh no, play him off half back :snidegrin
Why edit this post??? No swearing, no singling others out, no names....WTF?????
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His mind's clearly across the Tasman....
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Look, Dusty's been up against some of the best players in the AFL over the last 5 weeks...... :whistle
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Dimmer
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His mind's clearly across the Tasman....
Not having a go at you Dio but he is a grown man.
Kids move away from their parents every year at a younger age than Dusty.
He needs to be plonked in the middle and told to get 30 touches and worry about the other poo after the game.
Earn your money Dusty
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I agree but would also argue that having a parent deported overseas, possibly for good, is hardly the same as just moving out of home....
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No doubt one of the many experienced players under performing at the moment, a good coach can get the best out of players so Hardwick and his cronies need to do that. If he drops Miles then sadly he has to consider dropping Dusty as well if he they cant extract any more improvement. His tank was always questioned early on and now with reduced interchanges i just wonder if he's almost holding back subconsciously so that he can run out a game. Unfortunately with the speed of the modern game you just cant have players doing that as its quickly exploited by the opposition.
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His mind's clearly across the Tasman....
Not having a go at you Dio but he is a grown man.
Kids move away from their parents every year at a younger age than Dusty.
Kids do move away from their parents,often of their own accord. Dusty's dad got deported, that's a bit different.
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I agree but would also argue that having a parent deported from the country, possibly for good, is hardly the same as just moving out of home....
Its a touch different but Dusty doesn't strike me as the sensitive type.
And now he and Swanny have somewhere to stay OS after the season finishes. :shh
Kids of today.....
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I agree but would also argue that having a parent deported from the country, possibly for good, is hardly the same as just moving out of home....
Its a touch different but Dusty doesn't strike me as the sensitive type.
And now he and Swanny have somewhere to stay OS after the season finishes. :shh
Kids of today.....
I often bemoan of the same.....
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With all the over lap, kicking to a vacant f50, counter style football.
Where has the game plan of having Dusty 1 out in the forward half of the ground. Won us about 3-4 games last year.
Idiot Hardwick has forgot his own gameplan?? deadbeat
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I agree but would also argue that having a parent deported overseas, possibly for good, is hardly the same as just moving out of home....
No returned overseas. Returned home.
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our ball movement is too poo to get it to him 1 on 1.
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Oh no, play him off half back :snidegrin
Why edit this post??? No swearing, no singling others out, no names....WTF?????
its an interesting article that raises numerous issues, but that is all you can offer?
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I would play him up forward but I agree with the comment that the slowness of our ball movement will mean he will rarely be allowed the chance to have a one on one contest.
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our ball movement is too poo to get it to him 1 on 1.
Also it's amazing Jack has kicked as many goals as he has with our slow ball movement
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I would play him up forward but I agree with the comment that the slowness of our ball movement will mean he will rarely be allowed the chance to have a one on one contest.
Given deledio has played 25 min of football you'd assume he needs to sit forward short term
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and bumping this because he got 8 AFLCA votes for his performance against Syd.
RICHMOND v SYDNEY
8 Dustin Martin (Rich)
7 Ben Griffiths (Rich)
6 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
6 Anthony Miles (Rich)
3 Lance Franklin (Syd)
Think it's a bit stiff Lids got nothing but Martin was awesome with him pushing through heavy traffic with the fend off. Stoked to see the Don't Argue coming back
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Should be played permanently on ball as a rugged inside midfielder.
Dimma tried to ruin him to turning him into an outside Joel Bowden handball receive type.
He is a beast in the contest. Let him win his own ball like he wants to.
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Should be played permanently on ball as a rugged inside midfielder.
Dimma tried to ruin him to turning him into an outside Joel Bowden handball receive type.
He is a beast in the contest. Let him win his own ball like he wants to.
x2.....but the experts say play him off the backline with the others.. :snidegrin
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Starting to look the goods again.
I wonder if his dad being deported upset him and now he's getting over it?
Could do him good to detach a bit from that influence. Might make him grow up some.
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Starting to look the goods again.
I wonder if his dad being deported upset him and now he's getting over it?
Could do him good to detach a bit from that influence. Might make him grow up some.
No hes not getting over it!!!
Perhaps playing him on the ball and up forward had made a change...
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No hes not getting over it!!!
And you know this how?
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No hes not getting over it!!!
And you know this how?
Never mind. Its impacted on a lot of people.
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What sort of a softies do youse think he is?
Carry on like a band of old nanas.
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Starting to look the goods again.
I wonder if his dad being deported upset him and now he's getting over it?
Could do him good to detach a bit from that influence. Might make him grow up some.
No hes not getting over it!!!
Perhaps playing him on the ball and up forward had made a change...
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
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Should be played permanently on ball as a rugged inside midfielder.
Dimma tried to ruin him to turning him into an outside Joel Bowden handball receive type.
He is a beast in the contest. Let him win his own ball like he wants to.
spot on willy, hes a beast, leave him there and let him rest up fwd when required. Enough of this outside receiver rubbish
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Dusty's time in the midfield has more than double since Cotch has been out injured.
* 42% time in the midfield with Cotch playing 90% midfield.
* 92% last two weeks (15 & 14 contested possies, 500+ metres gained). Luff said they are "HUGE!" numbers. Richmond would love two of him - one mid and one forward..
Source: Luff from Champion Data on SEN's 'The Run Home' this arvo.
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:lol
you know the rules..........
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He's our best player at the moment. Better than Jack, better than Rance - and both those guys are around career best form.
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He is a different player when he just gets the ball and sends it 60m downfield rather than tries a risky dinky kick of 25 to 30m which often misses its target and leads to a turnover goal. :whistle
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He is a different player when he just gets the ball and sends it 60m downfield rather than tries a risky dinky kick of 25 to 30m which often misses its target and leads to a turnover goal. :whistle
Bingo
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He is a different player when he just gets the ball and sends it 60m downfield rather than tries a risky dinky kick of 25 to 30m which often misses its target and leads to a turnover goal. :whistle
Bingo
Coaching directive to all the players - Short kicks, control possesion, keepings off, no risks, no flare, never play on, be robots, show no emotion, have no fun.
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He is a different player when he just gets the ball and sends it 60m downfield rather than tries a risky dinky kick of 25 to 30m which often misses its target and leads to a turnover goal. :whistle
He's a better player when Cotchin isn't stifling him.
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He is a different player when he just gets the ball and sends it 60m downfield rather than tries a risky dinky kick of 25 to 30m which often misses its target and leads to a turnover goal. :whistle
Bingo
Coaching directive to all the players - Short kicks, control possesion, keepings off, no risks, no flare, never play on, be robots, show no emotion, have no fun.
:snidegrin
It certainly looks that way even if it isn't!
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He is a different player when he just gets the ball and sends it 60m downfield rather than tries a risky dinky kick of 25 to 30m which often misses its target and leads to a turnover goal. :whistle
thats because the shorter kick requires better judgement, so is harder to do
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After a first month where he was off, Dusty is back in good form over the past few weeks.
Gave a shoutout to his dad in NZ in the post-match interview, so not surprisingly what happened to his father affected him.
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14 cp's and 5 tackles. Gone back to doing the hard stuff which is great to see.
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Last 3-4 weeks has been bloody good to see the coaching staff finally playing him right
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Dustin Martin can’t be tackled. Martin is so strong. He loves putting his arm out to fend off an opponent and he made sure Nick Suban couldn’t tackle him during the third term. Hayden Crozier fell victim to the Martin fend off during the final quarter too.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/31667118/five-things-we-learnt-tigers/
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Martin shrugging off that tackle was amazing to see. He's ridiculously strong in the hips.
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Yeah, Dusty was huge last night! Good to see. He's just so powerful in the packs, he can't be tackled effectively because he just powers out of the tackle & always gets the ball out. Loved some of his long kicks with the wind deep into the forward line! He's starting to play like his mate Dane Swan does, too powerful to handle! :bow
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I can't find match hilights on the webbie. anyone?
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I can't find match hilights on the webbie. anyone?
Ox, some match highlights are here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-05-22/round-9-highlights
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Another man to impress for the Tigers on Saturday night was Dustin Martin (30 disposals). Cotchin said he was happy with his teammate's form after a difficult off-season in which Martin was at the centre of the Mr Miyagi restaurant scandal, and his father Shane was deported to New Zealand.
"For someone who doesn't actually test that well in the gym he's a beast. He's so strong. I was talking to [fellow midfielder] Anthony Miles after the game and he said 'I just wish I had the same strength as Dusty' because I'd get out of so much trouble.
"He's been fantastic the last month.".
Source: The Age website (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-says-he-understood-why-his-wife-brooke-went-public-20160522-gp0uop.html)
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I can't find match hilights on the webbie. anyone?
Ox, some match highlights are here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-05-22/round-9-highlights
Thanks.
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Another man to impress for the Tigers on Saturday night was Dustin Martin (30 disposals). Cotchin said he was happy with his teammate's form after a difficult off-season in which Martin was at the centre of the Mr Miyagi restaurant scandal, and his father Shane was deported to New Zealand.
"For someone who doesn't actually test that well in the gym he's a beast. He's so strong. I was talking to [fellow midfielder] Anthony Miles after the game and he said 'I just wish I had the same strength as Dusty' because I'd get out of so much trouble.
"He's been fantastic the last month.".
Source: The Age website (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-captain-trent-cotchin-says-he-understood-why-his-wife-brooke-went-public-20160522-gp0uop.html)
I was wondering how he tested in the gym compared to some of the other midfielders. A lot has to do with his core strength but also his skill and timing and performing his trademark don't argue.
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what it shows is that they are training and testing for the wrong things in gym
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Eh, some people have it and some people don't.
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Tim Watson doesn't think he's a bonafide star
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what it shows is that they are training and testing for the wrong things in gym
Exactly this.
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what it shows is that they are training and testing for the wrong things in gym
Exactly this.
x2
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Richmond star Dustin Martin thrives spending more time in the midfield
SAM EDMUND
Herald Sun
May 24, 2016
DUSTIN Martin has changed the way he plays football.
The midfielder with the powerful frame, tattoos and the best ‘don’t argue’ in football, is now officially that — a midfielder.
The fact is, for the first six and a bit seasons of his career, Martin has been a forward as much as he’s been an on-baller.
The Tigers have had a bit each way on their talented 2009 No. 3 pick, and he has delivered more often than not in both areas.
But Martin’s deployment as a permanent inside midfielder in the past month has sparked a career-best run of form that’s causing chaos for rivals. The finishing class remains, but it’s now preceded by more wrecking-ball menace at the coalface.
From 2010 to 2015 and in the first five rounds this year, Martin spent less than half his games in the midfield. Yet from rounds 6-9 he’s been in there 83 per cent of the time.
Whether that was to cover for the loss of Trent Cotchin and Kane Lambert only coach Damien Hardwick knows. But what everyone now knows is that Martin now has to stay there.
His contested possession average has skyrocketed from 8.6 in the first five weeks to 14.8 in the last four and clearances have gone from three per game to 5.5. He now attends 17.5 centre bounces a match, up from 9.8.
But where Martin’s influence is most telling is the fact that, along with ripping the ball from stoppages, he’s also taken his metres gained from 304m per game to 533m.
Clearance players lethal on the burst are the dream combination for coaches. Think Chris Judd and Gary Ablett in their primes.
Critically, of the 190 players in the past month to win at least 40 per cent of their possessions contested, Martin ranks No. 1 in the competition for metres gained with Patrick Dangerfield second.
It’s been a remarkable form surge after a turbulent off-season plagued by restaurant scandals and his father Shane’s deportation to New Zealand.
Martin gave a “shout out” to his dad on live television after another commanding display against Fremantle, before Cotchin praised his teammate’s strength.
“For someone who doesn’t actually test that well in the gym he’s a beast,” Cotchin told Channel 9.
“He’s so strong. I was talking to Anthony Miles after the game and he said: ‘I just wish I had the same strength as Dusty because I’d get out of so much trouble’.
“He’s been fantastic the last month.”
2010-2015 Rounds 1-5 Rounds 6-9
Rankings Points 95 93 123
Disposals 23.4 24.0 29.3
Contested Possessions 8.4 8.6 14.8
% of possessions won contested 36% 36% 52%
Clearances 3.3 3.0 5.5
Time spent in midfield 49% 47% 83%
Source: Champion Data
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-star-dustin-martin-thrives-spending-more-time-in-the-midfield/news-story/8880650d0bcd39e3996f98ad6daa8f68
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They're geniuses down at the club.
We've got a big inside mid from the 2009 draft who excelled at inside work in his first 2 years. We nearly destroy him playing him as an outside mid.
We then go and get Townsend and Moore because we lacked big bodied inside mids before we realise we already had two of the best in Martin and Vlastuin.
We then play them in their best places and they blossom.........................
Einstein would be turning in his grave......
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unless not playing a true, inside getting smashed from pillar to post every week role, until you are mid twenties and you body has matured extends your career?
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unless not playing a true, inside getting smashed from pillar to post every week role, until you are mid twenties and you body has matured extends your career?
So David Armitage, Dan Hannebery et al will have shortened careers? I don't think so.
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Martin wasnt your normal run of the mill young body - was putting hodge down on his arse with dont argues in his first preseason
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unless not playing a true, inside getting smashed from pillar to post every week role, until you are mid twenties and you body has matured extends your career?
So David Armitage, Dan Hannebery et al will have shortened careers? I don't think so.
you dont think the rigours of playing an inside role in the AFL could take its toll on an immature body?
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Martin wasnt your normal run of the mill young body - was putting hodge down on his arse with dont argues in his first preseason
thats dishing it out, not receiving it
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Martin wasnt your normal run of the mill young body - was putting hodge down on his arse with dont argues in his first preseason
thats dishing it out, not receiving it
He could take it imo. I agree with your point for mere mortals though
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In Penelope's defense look at Chris Judd and Ablett. Judd's last game was being stretchered off and Ablett after carrying his team for 3 seasons is a bit cooked. That being said Martin should have always been inside mid
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unless not playing a true, inside getting smashed from pillar to post every week role, until you are mid twenties and you body has matured extends your career?
So David Armitage, Dan Hannebery et al will have shortened careers? I don't think so.
Hannebery was and still is somewhat an outside player. Sure he goes stuffing hard when he wants to but he isn't a 'true, inside mid every week'.
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Dustin Martin's best still to come, says Hardwick
AFL.com.au
29 May 2016
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin is in career-best form according to his coach, but he looms as a scary prospect with Damien Hardwick tipping the midfielder to reach even bigger heights.
The 24-year-old was dominant in the 38-point win over the Bombers, amassing a career-high 38 possessions (15 contested), as well as seven clearances, six inside 50s and four score assists.
His previous best figure was 36 possessions, which he achieved twice in season 2014 (rounds 10 and 14).
Despite 21 disposals at half-time, Martin failed to impress his coach who described his game as "a bit scratchy" in the early parts of the contest.
It was Martin's elite kicking that stood out against the Bombers. His ability to see his way through traffic and hit a target by foot was incredible, as was his work at the stoppages.
After 10 rounds, the classy midfielder is averaging a career-high 27.5 disposals per game, and is also the No.1 ranked Tiger for pressure acts with his work rate off the ball outstanding.
So it's no surprise Hardwick believes Martin is playing the best football of his career.
"He's an incredible athlete…you can't put a value on players like him," Hardwick said after the game.
"The scary thing is he's still got some areas of his game that we'd like him to improve as well. It's credit to the lad, every year he just seems to get better and better.
"He's 24, so it's a great sign. He works really hard on his game and is always looking for ways to improve. We've probably been crying out for that inside mid player and he's certainly put his hand up for that, which is great, so credit to him."
Martin will be one player North Melbourne will watch closely this week in the lead up to Friday night's clash in Hobart.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-28/dustin-martins-best-still-to-come-says-hardwick
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Dusty's Dreamtime domination:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-05-28/round-10-dustys-dreamtime-domination
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Dusty's domination
Dustin Martin was at his dangerous best against the Bombers. The midfielder carved up the opposition by foot, showing off his elite kicking skills. At the end of the game, he had amassed a career-high 38 disposals, as well as seven clearances and three score assists, the stunning performance earning Martin the Yiooken Award for the best on ground. The 24-year-old is averaging a career-best 27.5 possessions per game, but just as impressive is his work-rate off the ball. Martin is the No.1 ranked player for pressure acts at Tigerland and if his form continues upwards, he will be looking at All Australian selection.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-28/five-talking-points-essendon-v-richmond
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Elimination final aside Dusty has a pretty good record against the Kanagroos. Hoping he goes in the match with the same intensity he has shown the past month and tears North's midfield a new hole
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Ziebell and cunnington have gone to a new level as well this season, should be a cracking contest on whoever he is matched up on
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“What I love about the way Dustin is playing is his level of contested footy,’’ Cotchin told 3AW.
“I love the fact he is winning a lot of his own footy. He is very hard to tackle and he is a strong boy and every time he does get out of a tackle it goes 40m or 50m our way.
“I have noticed in the past 24 months he has really grown as a person.
“If you asked any of our players he cares the most about them and he doesn’t have a lot to say to people he doesn’t know, but he is a fantastic character and speaking up a lot more.”
Source: Herald-Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-form/richmond-looking-forward-to-rematch-against-finals-conqueror-north-melbourne/news-story/aaf1e9eb59802b736bfd9cc159267b5c)
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When is he out of contract? End of next year? If so we should be signing him up now for 5 years!
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As long as we don't pay overs
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When is he out of contract? End of next year? If so we should be signing him up now for 5 years!
End of 2017.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=22895.msg515679#msg515679
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As long as we don't pay overs
Here we go again, these were the typical nonsense comments we had when he nearly went to GWS, imagine him there now!!!!
Pay him everything, give him a house, cars, women, $5m and anything else. Him and Jack are the RFC.
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When is he out of contract? End of next year? If so we should be signing him up now for 5 years!
End of 2017.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=22895.msg515679#msg515679
Thought so, well we cant enter next year with this contract outstanding, get it done RFC and get it done now!!!
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If you overpay dusty will that leave enough in the kitty for the grigg and Hampson new contracts?
Don't be rash wat
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Can't go against Dan the Man and his plan..... :shh
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Talking Footy last night put up a stat sheet with Dusty's last 4-5 weeks in the AFL's top 6 for disposals, inside 50s, contested possessions and scoring assists.
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Who would have thought he could play as an inside mid, when in his first year he played as an inside mid and slaughtered them, then to protect his body, they got him out of there....
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yeah massive surprise that was...
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Who would have thought he could play as an inside mid, when in his first year he played as an inside mid and slaughtered them, then to protect his body, they got him out of there....
Apparently , Broke records in intra club games ...
Got a contested possession every 60 seconds
Dimma was having none of that. Needed to learn the defensive part of the game. Unbalanced to be inside
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Classic example of how poor coaching can lead to poor list management - we now have two more hacks clogging the list in Moore & Townsend because Halfstep couldn't see what was right under his nose in Martin & Vlastuin.
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The frank conversation that got Dusty firing
Herald-Sun
1 June 2016
IF ANY player has been a barometer for his team this season, it’s been Dustin Martin for Richmond.
Like his team, he started off 2016 in sluggish style. He lacked ambition, won possession cheaply and, at times, looked disinterested.
Yet just like Richmond, Martin has turned his season around sensationally.
The catalyst? A frank conversation with teammates.
Jack Riewoldt said while the conversation was not wholly about his ability to win the contested ball, the players willed on Dusty to give more.
“With the regard the football club holds him in and the players hold him in, we said to him, ‘we need you to stand up because we’re playing poor footy’,” Riewoldt told Fox Footy’s AFL 360.
“As you can see by the results we’re getting at the moment, and the way that Dustin is playing, it’s a pretty good correlation.
“When you get your good players playing well you play your best footy. We expected more from him and he stood up to his credit.”
In the last three weeks, Martin has averaged 32 disposals, including a career-high 38 touches in last week’s Dreamtime at the ‘G match against Richmond. Unsurprisingly, the Tigers have won all three matches when Martin has been firing.
“He’s really lead the midfield and he lead it through the two weeks (captain Trent Cotchin) was out with the cheekbone (injury),” Riewoldt said.
“Credit to a young man who’s starting to fill some big shoes.”
Riewoldt said at only 24, Martin’s best years of footy were still ahead of him, which was an exciting prospect for the Tigers.
“He’s been a long-term project for us and I say that because he came in and had a really big impact, but getting his body to where it is now has been a long-term project for him,” he said.
“His leadership is starting to develop and his game has become a lot more well rounded.
“He’s making great decisions with the ball, he’s still got that Dustin Martin fend off, but he’s really developing as a person and I think that’s showing with the maturity in his football as well.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/we-need-you-to-stand-up-because-were-playing-poor-footy-the-conversation-that-fired-up-dusty/news-story/06c1446c3a52260998df100fd99e1802
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If we're going to be properly competitive this guy needs to play inside mid more, alongside Vlastuin and Miles. Then if we can snag somebody like Prestia we'll have a decently tough quartet to utilise in pairs in a more outside user of the ball.
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If we're going to be properly competitive this guy needs to play inside mid more, alongside Vlastuin and Miles. Then if we can snag somebody like Prestia we'll have a decently tough quartet to utilise in pairs in a more outside user of the ball.
Agreed.
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If we're going to be properly competitive this guy needs to play inside mid more, alongside Vlastuin and Miles. Then if we can snag somebody like Prestia we'll have a decently tough quartet to utilise in pairs in a more outside user of the ball.
Wheres Cotchin fit in
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If we're going to be properly competitive this guy needs to play inside mid more, alongside Vlastuin and Miles. Then if we can snag somebody like Prestia we'll have a decently tough quartet to utilise in pairs in a more outside user of the ball.
Wheres Cotchin fit in
As both an inside and an outside mid. Bloke goes in hard but the reality is he isn't a big body like Dusty or Vlastuin. Could play more F50 too.
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If we're going to be properly competitive this guy needs to play inside mid more, alongside Vlastuin and Miles. Then if we can snag somebody like Prestia we'll have a decently tough quartet to utilise in pairs in a more outside user of the ball.
Wheres Cotchin fit in
Rotations, son, rotations...
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Forward line... Forward line ....
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If we're going to be properly competitive this guy needs to play inside mid more, alongside Vlastuin and Miles. Then if we can snag somebody like Prestia we'll have a decently tough quartet to utilise in pairs in a more outside user of the ball.
Wheres Cotchin fit in
Rotations, son, rotations...
Seeing as he listed 4 players + a more outside player for the 3 spots I assumed he wasn't included in the "permanent" midfield rotations.
Isn't a big body but either is Miles. Wouldn't be too quick to get him out of the midfield
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Seeing as he listed 4 players + a more outside player for the 3 spots I assumed he wasn't included in the "permanent" midfield rotations.
Isn't a big body but either is Miles. Wouldn't be too quick to get him out of the midfield
Hence I only mentioned Vlastuin and Martin in my next post, but the reality is even though Cotch is brave and tough he's not as hard as Miles. Not a tarnish on Cotch himself I think.
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Rubbish
If you did 100 one vs ones Cotchin would win a least 60
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Seeing as he listed 4 players + a more outside player for the 3 spots I assumed he wasn't included in the "permanent" midfield rotations.
Isn't a big body but either is Miles. Wouldn't be too quick to get him out of the midfield
Hence I only mentioned Vlastuin and Martin in my next post, but the reality is even though Cotch is brave and tough he's not as hard as Miles. Not a tarnish on Cotch himself I think.
Mmm not too sure about that. Think Cotchin is drawing the short straw around here
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Class above today :bow.
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Class above today :bow.
It's a pity there's only one of him.
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4. 'Dusty' takes charge
There was a period in the second quarter when Gold Coast threatened to take control of the match, kicking three consecutive goals and opening up an 11-point lead. Someone needed to take charge for the Tigers, and Martin was the man. He broke the Tigers' drought with a brilliant 50m running goal after bolting the length of the ground, and he became the main man in every attacking chain. Martin barely wasted one of his 22 first-half possessions, going at 95 per cent efficiency. While teammates hesitated, he kicked with penetration and used his handball to devastating effect. He didn't let up, finishing with a game-high 36 possessions, including a fourth-quarter goal that settled the result. Three votes in the bag.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-12/five-talking-points-richmond-v-gold-coast
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and to think, some here wanted him gone for a couple of minor disciplinary issues.....
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and to think, some here wanted him gone for a couple of minor disciplinary issues.....
Yeah, the same lot that say they wouldn't pay "overs" for him... :lol...the experts.... :rollin
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How sure are you they were the same people? No chance youll provide evidence?
Strange that those saying they wouldnt pay overs have been justified, as he was retained without paying overs and you want to hang poo on that?
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Is going to a new level. Becoming elite and what we'd hope and expect him to be
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and to think, some here wanted him gone for a couple of minor disciplinary issues.....
Yeah, the same lot that say they wouldn't pay "overs" for him... :lol...the experts.... :rollin
Youve confused yourself again
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and to think, some here wanted him gone for a couple of minor disciplinary issues.....
Yeah, the same lot that say they wouldn't pay "overs" for him... :lol...the experts.... :rollin
You mean the people wanted him out of the club when his contract talks stalled and he visited GWSa few years back? Those experts who said FHO? You know the ones i mean
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How sure are you they were the same people? No chance youll provide evidence?
Strange that those saying they wouldnt pay overs have been justified, as he was retained without paying overs and you want to hang poo on that?
Go look.
Going forward I meant, sorry, have to spell it out for you continuously. Forgot that. Throw the money at him, everything he wants.
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and to think, some here wanted him gone for a couple of minor disciplinary issues.....
Yeah, the same lot that say they wouldn't pay "overs" for him... :lol...the experts.... :rollin
You mean the people wanted him out of the club when his contract talks stalled and he visited GWSa few years back? Those experts who said FHO? You know the ones i mean
Sorry thought that was Deledio!!!
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I am glad I backed Dusty at the big odds to win the Brownlow Medal before round 1 👍
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Our only real gun that plays footy the way it should be played, apologies Deledio and cotch kinda
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I am glad I backed Dusty at the big odds to win the Brownlow Medal before round 1 👍
polls well and will again - but i reckon dangers got this one
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Out and out star
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I am glad I backed Dusty at the big odds to win the Brownlow Medal before round 1 👍
polls well and will again - but i reckon dangers got this one
d
E/w @ 40s slow start hoping place
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Out and out star
You weren't saying that after the chopsticks fiasco??
What did you say again?
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LOL
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Out and out star
You weren't saying that after the chopsticks fiasco??
What did you say again?
He said he stuffed up, and WP was right, he did because he got schindlers list when he should not have. Can't recall WP ever saying he was not a star.
Also, when some on here were quick to bag Dusty about potentially leaving us a while back, WP backed him to stay.
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Out and out star
You weren't saying that after the chopsticks fiasco??
What did you say again?
Why don't you tell me?
No actually i will tell you, i Said what he did was absolutely stupid. To be out in public so drunk he couldnt stand up let alone remember what he did was stupid and moronic.
I also said i thought he got off lightly punishment wise. Never ever said he should be sacked. Just said what he did was moronic.
Have never said he wasnt a great player. I stood by him when alot of people on here said he should be sent packing when he visited the GWS. I was one of the very few people who said he never wanted to leave.
Thats what i said
So dont accuse me of not supporting Dusty
But nice try with another very cheap shot
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We all remember who "they" were, so lmao @ them
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Officially our best player now and the only reason we won today.
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Officially our best player now and the only reason we won today.
Cotchin was another reason.
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We need Dusty end of story, get it done Tiges.
Well.....
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Maybe al wants him in the backline again as per usual... :whistle
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Out and out star
You weren't saying that after the chopsticks fiasco??
What did you say again?
Why don't you tell me?
No actually i will tell you, i Said what he did was absolutely stupid. To be out in public so drunk he couldnt stand up let alone remember what he did was stupid and moronic.
I also said i thought he got off lightly punishment wise. Never ever said he should be sacked. Just said what he did was moronic.
Have never said he wasnt a great player. I stood by him when alot of people on here said he should be sent packing when he visited the GWS. I was one of the very few people who said he never wanted to leave.
Thats what i said
So dont accuse me of not supporting Dusty
But nice try with another very cheap shot
You are fast becoming the biggest tool on here and that's saying something.
You never "own" what you actually say. You twist things around to make yourself "one who knows all."
I don't remember a lot of people's comments but I do remember the ones that I am discusted in. And you were scathing in your comments on Dusty before having all the facts. Do you agree that you went early before knowing what actually happened or aren't you man enough to even do that? You talking crap about him being drunk is just your way of wesseling your way out of what you really accused him of. He was accused of some pretty serious stuff but now I notice you just say he was an idiot for being drunk. :wallywink
You got on your moral high horse like you do and talked poo about one of our players without giving him the benefit of the doubt.
If I get time I'll find what you said but again I'm sure you'll have a nice way of twisting things. I notice you mentioned about the time Dusty was exploring his options to leave just to deflect what you said at the time of the chopsticks accusations. One has nothing to do with the other!!
If you were a man you would have said at the time maybe I got that wrong and went a bit early but instead you want to try and defend it and twist it.
Every time I question you on something you say it's a cheap shot, it not, I'm just questioning you on what you have said. Id like to say I think you are an un loyal liar but I don't, but that's not to say I don't think it. I hold back what I'd like to say to you WP because you by far are the biggest "hero" on here the way you make out you know everything Richmond but really you are just the mouthpiece of The RFC, Dimma and his duds.
Grow some balls WP and own what you say on here and grow some balls and think for yourself on players not just what you hear from some idiot at the club. Your McBean comments of late have been disappointing. Poting a kid on more than one occasion for being scared without any real proof hiding behind being incompetent on a computer. Not one poster in here has backed you on what you supposedly saw last week. Not one!!
Anyway I'm sure you probably delete this post or ban me for telling you what I really think of you but I don't care...,Sometimes the truth hurts.
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I specifically remember wp saying time and time again that he just thought dusty was an idiot for being so peeed in a public place and the the should be punished by the club harshly just for that.
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Time to sign him up before other clubs start throwing full kitchens at him.
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Strange that those saying they wouldnt pay overs have been justified, as he was retained without paying overs and you want to hang poo on that?
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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It will happen.
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Maybe al wants him in the backline again as per usual... :whistle
Comments like this show just difficult it is for you to comprehend simple concepts
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U da real MVP Wp :bow
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You are fast becoming the biggest tool on here and that's saying something.
You never "own" what you actually say. You twist things around to make yourself "one who knows all."
I don't remember a lot of people's comments but I do remember the ones that I am discusted in. And you were scathing in your comments on Dusty before having all the facts. Do you agree that you went early before knowing what actually happened or aren't you man enough to even do that? You talking crap about him being drunk is just your way of wesseling your way out of what you really accused him of. He was accused of some pretty serious stuff but now I notice you just say he was an idiot for being drunk. :wallywink
You got on your moral high horse like you do and talked poo about one of our players without giving him the benefit of the doubt.
If I get time I'll find what you said but again I'm sure you'll have a nice way of twisting things. I notice you mentioned about the time Dusty was exploring his options to leave just to deflect what you said at the time of the chopsticks accusations. One has nothing to do with the other!!
If you were a man you would have said at the time maybe I got that wrong and went a bit early but instead you want to try and defend it and twist it.
Every time I question you on something you say it's a cheap shot, it not, I'm just questioning you on what you have said. Id like to say I think you are an un loyal liar but I don't, but that's not to say I don't think it. I hold back what I'd like to say to you WP because you by far are the biggest "hero" on here the way you make out you know everything Richmond but really you are just the mouthpiece of The RFC, Dimma and his duds.
Grow some balls WP and own what you say on here and grow some balls and think for yourself on players not just what you hear from some idiot at the club. Your McBean comments of late have been disappointing. Poting a kid on more than one occasion for being scared without any real proof hiding behind being incompetent on a computer. Not one poster in here has backed you on what you supposedly saw last week. Not one!!
Anyway I'm sure you probably delete this post or ban me for telling you what I really think of you but I don't care...,Sometimes the truth hurts.
Ok I will address the end bit first
I wont be deleting this thread or banning you for the abuse you've just thrown my way. If it was directed at another poster then, yep you'd likely to cop a ban because said post would likely have been rpeorted. But I don't go around banning people for abusing me.
I get that you don't like me. You've made that blatantly obvious particularly in the past weeks and it shone like a beacon the other day when you accused me of lying which I note you've done again. And they are cheap shots because you are playing the man and not the ball to use a footy term.
I actually do think for myself. My opinions are my own, no one else's. I don't see myself as a "hero". I just give opinions. I am not a mouth piece of the club, I don't get told what to say by them or anyone else. As for where I get most of my info, hate to break this to you but it isn't from the Club. Not even close; actually I find that more offensive than being called a liar. Because it simply isn't true
Re McBean; I don't care that no one has agreed with me. I explained why haven't posted the bit of vision. Sorry that's not good enough for you. It is what it is
Now onto this me not owning what I write and say. I actually did that with regard to in my response to you about Dusty. I know exactly what I wrote, what I said, the opinions on it I gave. I stand by all of them. I haven't twisted anything. Not once, I will repeat not once did I say he should be sacked. I said he should be punished, said he was an moron for what he did but never ever did I say should he backed sacked. Yes I gave opinions at the very beginning about what I thought should happen to him and that was a suspension for the entire pre-season plus a fine. Everyone gave an opinion before ALL the facts were known.
He are just a few things I said
Day 1 when the story broke - pretty sure this isn't throwing the kid under a bus
Not condoning what he did, totally the opposite he was a moron
But can someone explain to me why this woman if she was so aggrieved by what happened didn't call the cops on the night?
Why has she waited until this morning to call the club and go the the media (in this case Ch7)?
I really don't get it
The woman is a Ch7 employee?
Dusty was a moron not disputing that for a minute
But CH7 seriously :facepalm
On day 2 I made this comment again no talk of sacking him just that he needed to be punished:
Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
and I also said this
Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Why because people dare to suggest his behaviour was stupid? I will the let the investigation take its course to see to what degree the "allegations" are proved to be correct.
There is no disputing the fact he was out drunk; so drunk he's admitted he can't actually remembered what happened and he was involved in something. What exactly? Hopefully in the next few days we will have some idea
But he should be punished for being an idiot....
Should he be sacked? No; have never said that
But if it was a player that wasn't popular many on here would be calling for that players head.
If it was a player from another club, the majority on here would be tearing shreads off said opposition player, their club and demanding they be suspended
Look at the examples of players that Ox posted other day. eveything single one them highlight the obivous and that was the lack of action by the AFL and their respective clubs wasn't good enough - I am not disputing that for a minute
Want me to go on and find some more?
I own and stand by every single thing I wrote. You don't agree fine, but please don't accuse me of lying or not owning what I say because I do, I have and I did
Call me a tool, tell me to grow some balls, be a man or whatever but don't accuse me of lying or not taking ownership of what I write because that is nothing but a cheap shot
Finally, to everyone else apologies for bringing this ontp the forum as i know ive broken a rule
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Tom Browne just said, given we've got the bye, Dusty has flown to spend time with his dad and that the Club has handled this very well.
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Tom Browne just said, given we've got the bye, Dusty has flown to spend time with his dad and that the Club has handled this very well.
Yes, that is what Dusty said in his interview with Maxwell on the ground @ the end of the game
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Tom Browne just said, given we've got the bye, Dusty has flown to spend time with his dad and that the Club has handled this very well.
Yes agree, great job by the player and the club. He will have some very valuable time with his dad. :clapping
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Tom Browne just said, given we've got the bye, Dusty has flown to spend time with his dad and that the Club has handled this very well.
Yes, that is what Dusty said in his interview with Maxwell on the ground @ the end of the game
Did it end up being shown? Watch the replay last night on Fox and they didnt show it. Did IQ it but havent watched it
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Tom Browne just said, given we've got the bye, Dusty has flown to spend time with his dad and that the Club has handled this very well.
Yes, that is what Dusty said in his interview with Maxwell on the ground @ the end of the game
Did it end up being shown? Watch the replay last night on Fox and they didnt show it. Did IQ it but havent watched it
Saw it on the RFC site today
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You are fast becoming the biggest tool on here and that's saying something.
You never "own" what you actually say. You twist things around to make yourself "one who knows all."
I don't remember a lot of people's comments but I do remember the ones that I am discusted in. And you were scathing in your comments on Dusty before having all the facts. Do you agree that you went early before knowing what actually happened or aren't you man enough to even do that? You talking crap about him being drunk is just your way of wesseling your way out of what you really accused him of. He was accused of some pretty serious stuff but now I notice you just say he was an idiot for being drunk. :wallywink
You got on your moral high horse like you do and talked poo about one of our players without giving him the benefit of the doubt.
If I get time I'll find what you said but again I'm sure you'll have a nice way of twisting things. I notice you mentioned about the time Dusty was exploring his options to leave just to deflect what you said at the time of the chopsticks accusations. One has nothing to do with the other!!
If you were a man you would have said at the time maybe I got that wrong and went a bit early but instead you want to try and defend it and twist it.
Every time I question you on something you say it's a cheap shot, it not, I'm just questioning you on what you have said. Id like to say I think you are an un loyal liar but I don't, but that's not to say I don't think it. I hold back what I'd like to say to you WP because you by far are the biggest "hero" on here the way you make out you know everything Richmond but really you are just the mouthpiece of The RFC, Dimma and his duds.
Grow some balls WP and own what you say on here and grow some balls and think for yourself on players not just what you hear from some idiot at the club. Your McBean comments of late have been disappointing. Poting a kid on more than one occasion for being scared without any real proof hiding behind being incompetent on a computer. Not one poster in here has backed you on what you supposedly saw last week. Not one!!
Anyway I'm sure you probably delete this post or ban me for telling you what I really think of you but I don't care...,Sometimes the truth hurts.
Ok I will address the end bit first
I wont be deleting this thread or banning you for the abuse you've just thrown my way. If it was directed at another poster then, yep you'd likely to cop a ban because said post would likely have been rpeorted. But I don't go around banning people for abusing me.
I get that you don't like me. You've made that blatantly obvious particularly in the past weeks and it shone like a beacon the other day when you accused me of lying which I note you've done again. And they are cheap shots because you are playing the man and not the ball to use a footy term.
I actually do think for myself. My opinions are my own, no one else's. I don't see myself as a "hero". I just give opinions. I am not a mouth piece of the club, I don't get told what to say by them or anyone else. As for where I get most of my info, hate to break this to you but it isn't from the Club. Not even close; actually I find that more offensive than being called a liar. Because it simply isn't true
Re McBean; I don't care that no one has agreed with me. I explained why haven't posted the bit of vision. Sorry that's not good enough for you. It is what it is
Now onto this me not owning what I write and say. I actually did that with regard to in my response to you about Dusty. I know exactly what I wrote, what I said, the opinions on it I gave. I stand by all of them. I haven't twisted anything. Not once, I will repeat not once did I say he should be sacked. I said he should be punished, said he was an moron for what he did but never ever did I say should he backed sacked. Yes I gave opinions at the very beginning about what I thought should happen to him and that was a suspension for the entire pre-season plus a fine. Everyone gave an opinion before ALL the facts were known.
He are just a few things I said
Day 1 when the story broke - pretty sure this isn't throwing the kid under a bus
Not condoning what he did, totally the opposite he was a moron
But can someone explain to me why this woman if she was so aggrieved by what happened didn't call the cops on the night?
Why has she waited until this morning to call the club and go the the media (in this case Ch7)?
I really don't get it
The woman is a Ch7 employee?
Dusty was a moron not disputing that for a minute
But CH7 seriously :facepalm
On day 2 I made this comment again no talk of sacking him just that he needed to be punished:
Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
and I also said this
Honestly everyone can get stuffed. Go support someone else. Absolutely pathetic Richmond support on this thread. All in the name of being politically correct.. stuff me.
Why because people dare to suggest his behaviour was stupid? I will the let the investigation take its course to see to what degree the "allegations" are proved to be correct.
There is no disputing the fact he was out drunk; so drunk he's admitted he can't actually remembered what happened and he was involved in something. What exactly? Hopefully in the next few days we will have some idea
But he should be punished for being an idiot....
Should he be sacked? No; have never said that
But if it was a player that wasn't popular many on here would be calling for that players head.
If it was a player from another club, the majority on here would be tearing shreads off said opposition player, their club and demanding they be suspended
Look at the examples of players that Ox posted other day. eveything single one them highlight the obivous and that was the lack of action by the AFL and their respective clubs wasn't good enough - I am not disputing that for a minute
Want me to go on and find some more?
I own and stand by every single thing I wrote. You don't agree fine, but please don't accuse me of lying or not owning what I say because I do, I have and I did
Call me a tool, tell me to grow some balls, be a man or whatever but don't accuse me of lying or not taking ownership of what I write because that is nothing but a cheap shot
Finally, to everyone else apologies for bringing this ontp the forum as i know ive broken a rule
There you go again- a half truth.
Never have I said you wanted Dusty sacked, not even you would say something so stupid but this is what you did say the punishment should be and its in about page 5 of that thread. Page 5, barely enough time for it to even sink in let alone time to take in the facts.
You mention in your most recent post you think he should be have been fined and miss the pre-season but you failed to mention what else you said. Pretty convenient!
Take a read
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
It's pretty clear he was guilty in your mind without being given the benefit of the doubt. That's what discusted me at the time and it's why I remember it. You jumped on the "White Ribbon" ban wagon again without knowing what took place.
Me not liking you is irrelevant and not true, I don't know you but I know you jumped at the chance to put the boots into one of our own without a shred of evidence. Which makes me sick!!
If you want to keep going with this crap I will but I got to page 5 and found you to have only posted half of what you really said.
I never really heard whether KB apologised for what he said on SEN about Dusty but I know you haven't said you got it wrong. And you did get it wrong. All the other stuff you want to try to bring into it doesn't take away the fact that you had him missing the preseason games, 5 home and away games, $5000 plus a large chunk of change and finally doing work with White Ribbon.
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KB and White Ribbon both need to apologize
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There you go again- a half truth.
Never have I said you wanted Dusty sacked, not even you would say something so stupid but this is what you did say the punishment should be and its in about page 5 of that thread. Page 5, barely enough time for it to even sink in let alone time to take in the facts.
You mention in your most recent post you think he should be have been fined and miss the pre-season but you failed to mention what else you said. Pretty convenient!
Take a read
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
How can it be a half truth when what you've quoted above is what I actually put in my response to you. I owned that comment and I stand by it. He should have been punished.
It's pretty clear he was guilty in your mind without being given the benefit of the doubt. That's what discusted me at the time and it's why I remember it. You jumped on the "White Ribbon" ban wagon again without knowing what took place.
Really you can now think for me can you? You know what was going on in my mind.
Me not liking you is irrelevant and not true, I don't know you but I know you jumped at the chance to put the boots into one of our own without a shred of evidence. Which makes me sick!!
If you want to keep going with this crap I will but I got to page 5 and found you to have only posted half of what you really said.
I never really heard whether KB apologised for what he said on SEN about Dusty but I know you haven't said you got it wrong. And you did get it wrong. All the other stuff you want to try to bring into it doesn't take away the fact that you had him missing the preseason games, 5 home and away games, $5000 plus a large chunk of change and finally doing work with White Ribbon.
I will repeat I know what I said, I am very well aware of what I said, what punishment he should have got and I although it disgusts you, that was my opinion, which I was entitled to and I stand by. So please don't accuse my half truths, twisting things, I haven't twisted anything my views are there for all to see and I haven't changed them at all. And Btw how convenient you go after me but no one else that said the same.... and if you go through the other 70 odd pages you will find not only my responses regarding punishment don't change but I whack the club, the media, the woman, I don't discriminate...but I am sure you'll ignore that as it doesn't suit your purpose.
And NO I have intention of going on with this "crap" you've made your point via having your whack, abusing me and caling me a liar. I don't think there is anything left. I've certainly know everything I need to know
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Anyone got a spare set of chop sticks to loan me?
Fancy dress party at a Japanese restaurant tonight.
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I called my greyhound Chopstick Walrus in honour of the great man
Pity the dog is slow
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There you go again- a half truth.
Never have I said you wanted Dusty sacked, not even you would say something so stupid but this is what you did say the punishment should be and its in about page 5 of that thread. Page 5, barely enough time for it to even sink in let alone time to take in the facts.
You mention in your most recent post you think he should be have been fined and miss the pre-season but you failed to mention what else you said. Pretty convenient!
Take a read
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
How can it be a half truth when what you've quoted above is what I actually put in my response to you. I owned that comment and I stand by it. He should have been punished.
It's pretty clear he was guilty in your mind without being given the benefit of the doubt. That's what discusted me at the time and it's why I remember it. You jumped on the "White Ribbon" ban wagon again without knowing what took place.
Really you can now think for me can you? You know what was going on in my mind.
Me not liking you is irrelevant and not true, I don't know you but I know you jumped at the chance to put the boots into one of our own without a shred of evidence. Which makes me sick!!
If you want to keep going with this crap I will but I got to page 5 and found you to have only posted half of what you really said.
I never really heard whether KB apologised for what he said on SEN about Dusty but I know you haven't said you got it wrong. And you did get it wrong. All the other stuff you want to try to bring into it doesn't take away the fact that you had him missing the preseason games, 5 home and away games, $5000 plus a large chunk of change and finally doing work with White Ribbon.
I will repeat I know what I said, I am very well aware of what I said, what punishment he should have got and I although it disgusts you, that was my opinion, which I was entitled to and I stand by. So please don't accuse my half truths, twisting things, I haven't twisted anything my views are there for all to see and I haven't changed them at all. And Btw how convenient you go after me but no one else that said the same.... and if you go through the other 70 odd pages you will find not only my responses regarding punishment don't change but I whack the club, the media, the woman, I don't discriminate...but I am sure you'll ignore that as it doesn't suit your purpose.
And NO I have intention of going on with this "crap" you've made your point via having your whack, abusing me and caling me a liar. I don't think there is anything left. I've certainly know everything I need to know
Dusty was found by the Victorian Police to not have a case to answer to but in your wisdom you still expect him to be punished as per the following still to this day,
-miss the entire preseason comp.
-MISS 5 HOME AND AWAY GAMES (you failed to mention that in your comments previously)
-pay a $5000 fine
-"pay a big chunk of change to White Ribbon"
-"spend time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message"
Its funny that you "stand by your comments" even though they were made before the police investigation and then hearing Dusty had no case to answer to??
Should he get the same punishment if found guilty or innocent?
Can you explain that?
Can anyone explain that?
i understand that was your opinion on hearing what the media said took place, but now after the police have said Dustry had no case to answer to that you still stand by the punishment you wanted for him originally??
You say "your views are there for all to see and you haven't changed them at all" but that's the point. Why does your original opinion on his punishment not change after hearing Dusty was wrongly accused??
He didn't do what was reported originally and yet you still want the same punishment to this day. As you say "you stand by your comments".
Can you please explain that??
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Dusty is now up to sixth on the AFL Coaches Association award :thumbsup.
AFLCA leaderboard
56 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
55 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
55 Rory Sloane (Adel)
52 Joel Selwood (Geel)
47 Todd Goldstein (NM)
46 Dustin Martin (Rich)
41 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
41 Tom Lynch (GC)
41 Jack Ziebell (NM)
40 Eddie Betts (Adel)
40 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-14/aflca-votes-round-12
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this will be my final reply to you on this issue because you refuse for whatever reason to actually read what I've written.
-MISS 5 HOME AND AWAY GAMES (you failed to mention that in your comments previously)
-pay a $5000 fine
-"pay a big chunk of change to White Ribbon"
-"spend time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message"
Firstly this is what I quoted when I first replied to you with examples of what I wrote
Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
You accuse me of not mentioning something in my first post but it is clearly there so, I've highlighted it again. It is there, no failure on my part.
However, If you are taking about my very first reply without any quoting (which I think you might be :huh), then yep forgot the 5 H&A games but low an behold I didn't attempt to hide it and edit the direct quote out of the original thread did I? took ownership of what I wrote which is contrary to the your accusations about my posting.
I could have changed it but I didn't copied what I wrote at the time, didn't shy away from it, posted it lock, stock and barrel. So again don't accuse me of only posting half truths - I have in fact posted exactly what I wrote.
Its funny that you "stand by your comments" even though they were made before the police investigation and then hearing Dusty had no case to answer to??
Should he get the same punishment if found guilty or innocent?
Can you explain that?
Can anyone explain that?
i understand that was your opinion on hearing what the media said took place, but now after the police have said Dustry had no case to answer to that you still stand by the punishment you wanted for him originally??
You say "your views are there for all to see and you haven't changed them at all" but that's the point. Why does your original opinion on his punishment not change after hearing Dusty was wrongly accused??
He didn't do what was reported originally and yet you still want the same punishment to this day. As you say "you stand by your comments".
Can you please explain that??
Explain it? I have explained it but you don't like the answer so you want further explanation.
Wrongly accused? Yes He was not charged by the police for threatening the woman = not in dispute.
But he was also accused of being drunk in public, so drunk 3-4 weeks into pre-season training that he himself admitted he could remember what happened, he could barely stand up, and verbally abused a member of the public (granted an attention seeking hypocrite) . That is not in dispute and that is what IMESHO he should have still been punished for. that is what I said after he was cleared by the cops. My stance on his moronic behaviour did not change. Find it amusing that you've come after me over my comments but not bothered attacking anyone else. Why is that exactly?
But just so you know I wans't selective the other day in quoting posts on the topic here's a few more that are throughout the 74 pages, and oddly my opinion is the same throughout
A whack at the media
Now I am going to go whack here
I still think Dusty did a moronic thing
But he media have today stooped to anew level of gutter journalism
The HUN article Dio posted, the tripe in the Age from John Silvestor is simply shameful, pathetic and totally over the top. Talk about prejudicing a persons case.
Suggest the media Let the cops do their job rather than ranting like lunatics on Ice.
Let the cops decide what to do with this case
And if that means he gets charged, he gets charged, if if means there is no case here then fine move on.
But this media grandstanding and trying to score points off the back of this gutter journalism at of the highest order
From another poster who you haven't attacked but gave Dusty a whack
At the end of the day, Dustin has only got himself to blame.
If Dustin didn't have any understanding of how his actions could impact the larger supporter group and football community then he certainly will have now.
This is the reality that a lot of young footballers don't actually get, they don't actually get that they can have such a large-scale impact on the community of course with the backing of media hysteria.
Good luck to him, he is going to need it. The press are after blood, the club is probably too scared to act, not that they can probably do very much anyway, but still.
I think involving the police was very good idea I think by doing that it will actually stabilise the scene to some extent there will be some goading by press towards the Richmond football club to smash Dustin I think they need to judge the evidence on its merit and act accordingly.
He might get eight weeks
And then this (please read it carefully):
Why the lack of support behind our club and player WP? Seem all you have done is play devils advocate.
I support Dusty, but I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do a completely stupid, idiotic, moronic thing. I am not going to sit here a say he is the sole victim here because he isn't. 3-4 weeks into pre-season he goes out and gets himself so smashed he can't remember what he did or didn't do, that's not smart, that's stupid
He deserves to punished for being a an idiot. Do I believe he should cop 12 months, 15 games? No but he needs to cop some sort of whack.
If it was a player that people on here can't stand or a bloke in our bottom 10 and folks want out of the club I doubt the support would be there. The posts would be "sack him"
Forgive me for not excusing his behaviour simply because he is one of best players. In this situation all players should be treated the same..
And then this after it was announced he wasn't going to be charged (put my hand up here I thought the club would punish him they didn't - got that wrong)
Hahahahahahaha classic. WP you still thinks he deserves a punishment?? :thumbsup
Yeah, I do for being an idiot absolutely
Getting totally tanked, so tanked he can't remember what he did and behaving like moron in a public place 3 weeks into preseason was stupid so yeah he deserves a whack for that. Any other player would cop a punishment
And like it or not he will cop one :thumbsup
And finally from page 65 of the thread
I will be interested to see what the club does the next time one of our players is drunk in public. Will the be so generous in the punishment? They've set the standard so I hope they consistently apply this to every player on the list
And before people start in on me for having an opinion that's not popular
I have been very very consistent on this issue from day 1 and so people are clear I'll go through it all again
- Dusty deserved to be punished for being a moron. 4 weeks into pre-season training to be so drunk that he can't remember what he said or did is not acceptable. IMHO He is very lucky with what he's been dealt as it is a soft penalty. As I posted above I hope the club is consistent in any future punishment they dish out for similar incidents if they occur. Onus is on the club now to ensure they treat all players the same, doubt they will be but hey thats the RFC for you
- The woman who made the allegations - I have said from day 1- why if she was so traumatised, so in fear of safety did she not call the cops on the spot, get the restaurant to kick him out? Why did she wait over 48 hours to do anything (ring the club and tell her employer Ch7)? That was pathetic on her part. The fact she refused to give the cops a statement speaks volumes about her I would have thought
- I welcomed the Police getting involved. Glad they did because the accusations were serious. They have found that on the issue of the threats with chopsticks - no case.
- I made it very clear that if the accusations were found to be true then Dusty had to cop a whack. I stand by that I don't care who you are, what your lot in life is behaviour like that is simply not acceptable from anyone towards anyone, gender, race, nationality has no bearing
- I never once said he should be sacked or suspended for 12 months, said he should be punished for being a moron
Can I be any clearer in what I said / wrote? There is no ambiguity. My opinion is clear
So I have explained it. It's all there so what needs further explanation?
You don't like it, fine
But don't abuse me for having an opinon, don't accuse me of lying, accuse me of not owning my opinions and never accuse me of not supporting Dusty because I always have, always will. Bad, stupid, moronic behaviour by any of our players should not be ignored or excused just because of their ability or overall importance to the club. There shouldn't be different rules for different fools
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I am glad I backed Dusty at the big odds to win the Brownlow Medal before round 1 👍
:thumbsup you could be on a winner there. l not had a bet on the Brownlow yet
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this will be my final reply to you on this issue because you refuse for whatever reason to actually read what I've written.
-MISS 5 HOME AND AWAY GAMES (you failed to mention that in your comments previously)
-pay a $5000 fine
-"pay a big chunk of change to White Ribbon"
-"spend time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message"
Firstly this is what I quoted when I first replied to you with examples of what I wrote
Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
You accuse me of not mentioning something in my first post but it is clearly there so, I've highlighted it again. It is there, no failure on my part.
However, If you are taking about my very first reply without any quoting (which I think you might be :huh), then yep forgot the 5 H&A games but low an behold I didn't attempt to hide it and edit the direct quote out of the original thread did I? took ownership of what I wrote which is contrary to the your accusations about my posting.
I could have changed it but I didn't copied what I wrote at the time, didn't shy away from it, posted it lock, stock and barrel. So again don't accuse me of only posting half truths - I have in fact posted exactly what I wrote.
Its funny that you "stand by your comments" even though they were made before the police investigation and then hearing Dusty had no case to answer to??
Should he get the same punishment if found guilty or innocent?
Can you explain that?
Can anyone explain that?
i understand that was your opinion on hearing what the media said took place, but now after the police have said Dustry had no case to answer to that you still stand by the punishment you wanted for him originally??
You say "your views are there for all to see and you haven't changed them at all" but that's the point. Why does your original opinion on his punishment not change after hearing Dusty was wrongly accused??
He didn't do what was reported originally and yet you still want the same punishment to this day. As you say "you stand by your comments".
Can you please explain that??
Explain it? I have explained it but you don't like the answer so you want further explanation.
Wrongly accused? Yes He was not charged by the police for threatening the woman = not in dispute.
But he was also accused of being drunk in public, so drunk 3-4 weeks into pre-season training that he himself admitted he could remember what happened, he could barely stand up, and verbally abused a member of the public (granted an attention seeking hypocrite) . That is not in dispute and that is what IMESHO he should have still been punished for. that is what I said after he was cleared by the cops. My stance on his moronic behaviour did not change. Find it amusing that you've come after me over my comments but not bothered attacking anyone else. Why is that exactly?
But just so you know I wans't selective the other day in quoting posts on the topic here's a few more that are throughout the 74 pages, and oddly my opinion is the same throughout
A whack at the media
Now I am going to go whack here
I still think Dusty did a moronic thing
But he media have today stooped to anew level of gutter journalism
The HUN article Dio posted, the tripe in the Age from John Silvestor is simply shameful, pathetic and totally over the top. Talk about prejudicing a persons case.
Suggest the media Let the cops do their job rather than ranting like lunatics on Ice.
Let the cops decide what to do with this case
And if that means he gets charged, he gets charged, if if means there is no case here then fine move on.
But this media grandstanding and trying to score points off the back of this gutter journalism at of the highest order
From another poster who you haven't attacked but gave Dusty a whack
At the end of the day, Dustin has only got himself to blame.
If Dustin didn't have any understanding of how his actions could impact the larger supporter group and football community then he certainly will have now.
This is the reality that a lot of young footballers don't actually get, they don't actually get that they can have such a large-scale impact on the community of course with the backing of media hysteria.
Good luck to him, he is going to need it. The press are after blood, the club is probably too scared to act, not that they can probably do very much anyway, but still.
I think involving the police was very good idea I think by doing that it will actually stabilise the scene to some extent there will be some goading by press towards the Richmond football club to smash Dustin I think they need to judge the evidence on its merit and act accordingly.
He might get eight weeks
And then this (please read it carefully):
Why the lack of support behind our club and player WP? Seem all you have done is play devils advocate.
I support Dusty, but I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do a completely stupid, idiotic, moronic thing. I am not going to sit here a say he is the sole victim here because he isn't. 3-4 weeks into pre-season he goes out and gets himself so smashed he can't remember what he did or didn't do, that's not smart, that's stupid
He deserves to punished for being a an idiot. Do I believe he should cop 12 months, 15 games? No but he needs to cop some sort of whack.
If it was a player that people on here can't stand or a bloke in our bottom 10 and folks want out of the club I doubt the support would be there. The posts would be "sack him"
Forgive me for not excusing his behaviour simply because he is one of best players. In this situation all players should be treated the same..
And then this after it was announced he wasn't going to be charged (put my hand up here I thought the club would punish him they didn't - got that wrong)
Hahahahahahaha classic. WP you still thinks he deserves a punishment?? :thumbsup
Yeah, I do for being an idiot absolutely
Getting totally tanked, so tanked he can't remember what he did and behaving like moron in a public place 3 weeks into preseason was stupid so yeah he deserves a whack for that. Any other player would cop a punishment
And like it or not he will cop one :thumbsup
And finally from page 65 of the thread
I will be interested to see what the club does the next time one of our players is drunk in public. Will the be so generous in the punishment? They've set the standard so I hope they consistently apply this to every player on the list
And before people start in on me for having an opinion that's not popular
I have been very very consistent on this issue from day 1 and so people are clear I'll go through it all again
- Dusty deserved to be punished for being a moron. 4 weeks into pre-season training to be so drunk that he can't remember what he said or did is not acceptable. IMHO He is very lucky with what he's been dealt as it is a soft penalty. As I posted above I hope the club is consistent in any future punishment they dish out for similar incidents if they occur. Onus is on the club now to ensure they treat all players the same, doubt they will be but hey thats the RFC for you
- The woman who made the allegations - I have said from day 1- why if she was so traumatised, so in fear of safety did she not call the cops on the spot, get the restaurant to kick him out? Why did she wait over 48 hours to do anything (ring the club and tell her employer Ch7)? That was pathetic on her part. The fact she refused to give the cops a statement speaks volumes about her I would have thought
- I welcomed the Police getting involved. Glad they did because the accusations were serious. They have found that on the issue of the threats with chopsticks - no case.
- I made it very clear that if the accusations were found to be true then Dusty had to cop a whack. I stand by that I don't care who you are, what your lot in life is behaviour like that is simply not acceptable from anyone towards anyone, gender, race, nationality has no bearing
- I never once said he should be sacked or suspended for 12 months, said he should be punished for being a moron
Can I be any clearer in what I said / wrote? There is no ambiguity. My opinion is clear
So I have explained it. It's all there so what needs further explanation?
You don't like it, fine
But don't abuse me for having an opinon, don't accuse me of lying, accuse me of not owning my opinions and never accuse me of not supporting Dusty because I always have, always will. Bad, stupid, moronic behaviour by any of our players should not be ignored or excused just because of their ability or overall importance to the club. There shouldn't be different rules for different fools
I still think you are missing a very simple point-
You went hard at one of our players very early regardless of what they were accused of.
Why not give a person the benefit of the doubt before making sweeping statements on punishment.
Him being drunk in a public place and him threading to kill a female with chopsticks are miles apart. And so should the punishment. But it's clear you don't think that to this day.
I don't care if it was Dusty or Beliss who I cannot stand as a footballer, but I think both should get our support while things are just here say. If what was being reported was true than make a judgement after that was proven to be true.
I think I have been clear on my stance on this from day one too. Even the latest setback of Yarran, regardless of what he is going through or if we should of drafted him or not, he should get the support and loyalty of our supporters as he is one of us now.
To be honest the only reason I remembered YOU and nobody else through this, is because you are very measured with pretty much all your comments over the years on here, but I found what you suggested as punishment really early before knowing any facts totally out of character for you.
I don't like you or dislike you WP, but I was f$&king furious after reading your comments back then.
We all spend heaps of money on this club from year to year but one thing that doesn't cost anything is loyalty. And I think you fell short on the Dusty saga.
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Omg can you two put a sock in it?
Agree to disagree, nobody gives a F for the arguing.
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Might as well give Dusty the 2016 Jack Dyer medal now.
Would be a mile in front.
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Dusty is now up to sixth on the AFL Coaches Association award :thumbsup.
AFLCA leaderboard
56 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
55 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
55 Rory Sloane (Adel)
52 Joel Selwood (Geel)
47 Todd Goldstein (NM)
46 Dustin Martin (Rich)
41 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
41 Tom Lynch (GC)
41 Jack Ziebell (NM)
40 Eddie Betts (Adel)
40 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-14/aflca-votes-round-12
Shane Edwards like
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Brian Lake only gave him one vote behind Lynch & Ablett on Fox Footy. What a flog.
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Brian Lake only gave him one vote behind Lynch & Ablett on Fox Footy. What a flog.
I saw him eating pies continually at the game! ;D
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Brian Lake only gave him one vote behind Lynch & Ablett on Fox Footy. What a flog.
Martin was clearly best on ground. He won us the game and showed Ablett how to play team oriented football. Lake is still recovering from the absolute thrashings he got from Richo and therefore his judgement is impaired.
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Funny how Dustin Martin get's on the turps pre season and he gets all the support he can. If Conca was seen in McDonalds this place would go up in a fury of dud delist comments
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Funny how Dustin Martin get's on the turps pre season and he gets all the support he can. If Conca was seen in McDonalds this place would go up in a fury of dud delist comments
What a crock.
Typical
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Typical deflection from who would be the main culprit :shh
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You base your presumptions on, "If"
Solid.
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Funny how Dustin Martin get's on the turps pre season and he gets all the support he can. If Conca was seen in McDonalds this place would go up in a fury of dud delist comments
If you are a dud u get no leeway
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Conca has had a more charmed existence than dusty, Ffs.
Dimmer treats conca like he's the great white hope.
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Funny how Dustin Martin get's on the turps pre season and he gets all the support he can. If Conca was seen in McDonalds this place would go up in a fury of dud delist comments
If you are a dud u get no leeway
correct. we should have differing rules for those with more talent than the battlers, just as we should have different rules for those with money than the poor
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Conca has had a more charmed existence than dusty, Ffs.
Dimmer treats conca like he's the great white hope.
Well he is white.
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This is true.
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Ive seen the footage and yes he looks great but Butcher should be our go, which ive said from day one.
:lol
Just remember. It's easy to be critical of our recruiters with hindsight. This is one they got right!
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They think that's all they need to get
One.
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Funny how Dustin Martin get's on the turps pre season and he gets all the support he can. If Conca was seen in McDonalds this place would go up in a fury of dud delist comments
If you are a dud u get no leeway
correct. we should have differing rules for those with more talent than the battlers, just as we should have different rules for those with money than the poor
Yeah it's not a democracy
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Richmond's Dustin Martin is maturing before our eyes
Wayne Carey
The Age
16 June 2016
Amid the gloom of Richmond's season, one man is finally realising his potential.
As footballers and as people we all mature at different rates; from personal experience, some of us take a lot longer than others. But with maturity, Dustin Martin has elevated his game to new heights – and that's saying something for a player who has already finished in the top-three of Richmond's past three best-and-fairests.
It's been well-documented the challenges he's faced off the field and his upbringing would likely have been different to many players in the AFL.
But that's also one of the things that makes our game great – any number of shapes, sizes and personalities make up a football club and can succeed.
We as footy followers certainly have a fascination with the man known as "Dusty". Covered in tattoos, he immediately attracts attention. Shy and softly spoken, he's intriguing because we don't know a lot about him and what makes him tick.
With that interest comes challenges and having your every move under a microscope can be difficult to cope with. The transition from young player to public figure is not easy and that's something Dustin might have grappled with.
Even this year he's been in the spotlight off the field, but speaking to those at Richmond they could not be more impressed with the changes he's made away from the game.
He's grown up in front of us.
Separated from his father, from the outside it seemed Martin went through a flat spot early in the season. In a show of support, the Tigers have said they will allow him extra breaks to travel to New Zealand to see his dad.
Do I think it is right he has to cope with such intense focus on his personal life and family? No I don't. But eventually you realise it's a fact of life at AFL level.
Once you get your head around that the job becomes much easier and Martin's form suggests he's learning to deal with the pressure. When you understand as a footballer you'll be a person of interest for the rest of your life it can get to a stage where you feel more comfortable in your own skin.
Damien Hardwick, Trent Cotchin and particularly Mark Williams should be congratulated on moulding and managing Martin to this point – not just as a footballer, but as a person.
It wasn't that long ago Martin almost left Richmond when he was coming out of contract. Young and ill-advised, he quickly learned the club is always bigger than the individual.
It was another important wake-up call and the first time Martin really understood he needed to put his head down and bum up if he wanted to make the most of his talent.
Fast forward to 2016, and he's now the most dynamic and damaging player at the Tigers. Along with Patrick Dangerfield and Buddy Franklin, Martin is one of the most exciting players in the league to watch.
I'd go so far as comparing him to Mark Ricciuto. Like "Roo" he's an absolute bull and is almost impossible to tackle. He's more aggressive at the footy than ever, has the best "don't argue" in the game and is relishing his move into the middle.
He can win his own ball, break tackles and then burst clear.
By the same token, Martin's still a real asset up forward given he rarely gets beaten one-on-one. Kick it in his direction and he either breaks even or is having a shot at goal – even the best defenders wouldn't look forward to an afternoon on Martin.
The knock on him in the early part of his career was his tendency to fade-out in the second half of matches, but he appears much fitter and seems to be covering the ground better.
The Tigers have demanded more of him and he's done everything that's been asked.
With that consistency "Dusty" can now be classed as truly elite.
Make no mistake, he'll always be a bit of a lad. But considering where he's come from and what he's been through, his development on and off the field is a credit to the Richmond football club, and most importantly Martin himself.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-richmonds-dustin-martin-is-maturing-before-our-eyes-20160616-gpkiw4.html
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Dusty into $21 and equal-5th favouritism in Brownlow betting.
Dangerfield $ 2.75
Hannebery $ 6
Selwood $11
Parker $13
Martin $21
Priddis $21
Mitchell $23
Sloane $23
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/australian-rules/afl-brownlow-medal/Brownlow-Medal-2016-2249252.html
RFC website reckons Dusty has 12 Brownlow votes so far.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-06-17/dusty-a-chas-chance
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A Dusty Brownlow speech ‘would be amazing’
Riley Beveridge
FOX SPORTS
22 June 2016
RICHMOND star Brett Deledio has revealed his hope that teammate Dustin Martin can win the Brownlow Medal — if only for the speech he would make afterwards.
Martin’s Brownlow chances have gone through the roof following a career-best spell of form in recent weeks, which has helped turned the Tigers tide.
Since a permanent move into the midfield in Round 6, Martin is averaging 31 disposals (14 contested), six inside 50s, five clearances, four tackles and 121 Champion Data ranking points per game.
“He’s been unbelievable,” Deledio told Fox Sports News’ AFL Tonight.
“He’s playing great footy. His ability to win the ball inside and then spread and get it to the boys on the outside ... He’s in the best form he’s been in.
“I’d love to see him win the Brownlow because I just think his speech would be amazing.
“He’s a good kid and he’s going really well.”
Deledio refuted claims that Martin’s fantastic form was an indictment on Richmond, who has failed to improve despite the 24-year-old playing the best footy of his career.
“I don’t think it’s an indictment, it just shows how well Dusty is going,” Deledio said.
“He’s matured and he’s grown as a person off the field and on the field. You’re seeing the results of hard work and the work he does away from the club to get into a good shape.
“He’s reaping the rewards at the moment and so are we.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-brownlow-richmond-teammate-brett-deledio-says-his-speech-would-be-amazing/news-story/21bd74ba334dd71483e8c514666954a7
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Yes - amazingly brief and monosyllabic....
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Damien Hardwick challenges Dustin Martin to beat Mitch Robinson tag
Herald Sun
June 24, 2016 12:05pm
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin travelled across the ditch over the bye and has a “huge challenge” ahead of him tomorrow, coach Damien Hardwick says.
Martin went to New Zealand to visit his father, Shane, who was deported from Australia in March over alleged bikie links.
Martin was in stellar form before the bye and Hardwick isn’t expecting anything less tomorrow.
“He’s been in terrific form and he’s going to have a huge challenge this week,” he said, confirming the trip.
“(Lions stopper) Mitch Robinson has been outstanding in nullifying some great opponents over the last three weeks and managed to get a lot of ball himself.
“It’s going to be a challenge for Dustin. He’s risen to the challenge before, but we’ve put it firmly on him to make sure he beats Mitch Robinson.”
Mitch Robinson nabs Matt Priddis.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-challenges-dustin-martin-to-beat-mitch-robinson-tag/news-story/663df189e4e696c81841e18e3612988a
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Build Damien a statue now FFs
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Just in another league to the other players on the ground today. The combination of power, skill and speed is a joy to behold. Those penetrating low and fast kicks are great for the forwards too. :clapping
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I couldn't even b effect watching or listening today.
Good for dusty.
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I couldn't even b effect watching or listening today.
Good for dusty.
It was really bad
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According to Halfstep he "was ok today, without being great..."
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According to Halfstep he "was ok today, without being great..."
Actually agree with Dimma here. Think the commentators got carried away with his game. First time he's had less than 10 cp's in a while I think and a few shanks by foot.
Good game for most but an ok game by his standards lately.
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Pfft...Halfstep and his C/P obssession....swatting the Brisbane midfield like flies, setting up half our goals and clearly being BOG by the length of Bass Strait not good enough.....KPI's on the stat sheet not met....
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Pass mark needs to be 50 possessions
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Dusty improves his Brownlow Medal chances
Hardwick demanded a strong performance from Dustin Martin after correctly predicting he would receive the attention of in-form tagger Mitch Robinson. Although Robinson left the ground early in the second term after being concussed, Martin had already gathered eight disposals in the first quarter and the Lion didn't appear to bother him. It opened up for Martin even more after Robinson was injured. Daniel Rich spent much of the remainder of the contest matched up on Dusty, but he was clearly outpointed by the fend-off expert, who finished with 35 disposals in a best on ground performance that will likely see him pick up three votes from the umpires.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-25/five-talking-points-richmond-v-brisbane-lions
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Playing really good football. Deserves all the praise from the media.
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Trade while he still has value.
Too many outside of the foot kicks.
Misses easy goals.
Sure he is a raging bull but footy is not exclusively brute force.
Need some finesse, and some outside.
We should be targeting blokes like, Ben Sinclair, Dennis Armfield, Sam Wright or Rohan Bail.
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Trade while he still has value.
Too many outside of the foot kicks.
Misses easy goals.
Sure he is a raging bull but footy is not exclusively brute force.
Need some finesse, and some outside.
We should be targeting blokes like, Ben Sinclair, Dennis Armfield, Sam Wright or Rohan Bail.
We already have Chucky for the satire Don...... ;D
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Don's on fire
Leave him be Doc :rollin
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Don's on fire
Leave him be Doc :rollin
I know. I was about to call the fire brigade!
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Seriously he only looked half interested at times, should of been near 50 against them!
Still BOG but doesn't mean much!
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LIKES
1. Dustin Martin
That’s three BOGs in his past four games and is anyone looking for a smokie for the Brownlow? Against the Lions, and probably with only Jack Riewoldt challenging for best afield, Martin had a game-high 35 disposals, 24 uncontested possessions, 729 metres gained, 10 inside 50s, and also recorded 10 score involvements, third most of any player on the ground. He is another Patrick Dangerfield in so many aspects including being a better kick of the ball.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-14/news-story/efc6ae3ee45c251fd694b220d550dc15
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Likes
Dusty and his brother fighting to get their father back.. :clapping
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Likes
Dusty and his brother fighting to get their farther back.. :clapping
How much farther back do they want to go?
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Likes
Dusty and his brother fighting to get their farther back.. :clapping
How much farther back do they want to go?
:lol Father
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his what?
his faja
his ferger?
no his faja.
oh you mean his father
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Bit behind again Stalin, the jokes gone, back to topic.
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there are only two things i hate in this world
people that dont respect other peoples cultures and the dutch
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there are only two things i hate in this world
people that dont respect other peoples cultures and the dutch
It's not about his culture.
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there are only two things i hate in this world
people that dont respect other peoples cultures and the dutch
Thank you Nigel Powers!
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there are only two things i hate in this world
people that dont respect other peoples cultures and the dutch
What about Nuclear war? Or Carnies?
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Bit behind again Stalin, the jokes gone, back to topic.
The joke went quick eh >:(
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there are only two things i hate in this world
people that dont respect other peoples cultures and the dutch
STFU idiot
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Sssmoke and a pancake
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I find your posts confronting and disturbing and perhaps they should be looked at
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DUSTY 4th in AFLCA VOTES!!!
AFLCA leaderboard
66 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
64 Joel Selwood (Geel)
64 Rory Sloane (Adel)
56 Dustin Martin (Rich)
55 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
48 Luke Shuey (WC)
47 Todd Goldstein (NM)
47 Tom Lynch (GC)
45 Dylan Shiel (GWS)
41 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
41 Luke Parker (Syd)
41 Jack Steven (StK)
41 Jack Ziebell (NM)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-27/aflca-votes-round-14
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King full of praise for now elite Martin
GLENN MCFARLANE
Herald Sun
28 June 2016
BROWNLOW Medal fancy Dustin Martin has elevated himself into elite AFL company off the back of hard work and in spite of the unwanted attention from outside the club, according to his former teammate Jake King.
King said external perceptions of Martin could hardly be further from the truth.
“He is just a kid who wants to play football and we should let him play football,” King told Mike Sheahan on Open Mike, which will screen on Fox Footy at 8.30pm on Tuesday.
“I hate the word perception because what people are perceived to be is, in my eyes, a load of crap.
“I look at him and I look at Trent Cotchin, and the way they care (for Richmond) ... one has tattoos and one doesn’t.
“Dustin doesn’t talk about what he does, and because he doesn’t talk about it, people want to talk about it for him.
“So I think people have the wrong idea of Dustin and who he is. He is such an amazing kid. He is playing great football. We can all assume, but the guy that I know, he is going to have a great future and career.”
Richmond Football Club training at Punt Road Oval. Dustin Martin. Picture: Mark Stewart
Martin has firmed into $15 to win football’s highest individual award after another best afield performance against Gold Coast on Saturday.
The 25-year-old has had to deal with the deportation of his father, Shane, to New Zealand earlier this year. He recently visited his father, and has pleaded with authorities to overturn the decision to allow Shane to return to Australia.
King said Martin was “one of the nicest kids you will ever come across.”
“Dustin has got one of the biggest hearts that you will actually find in a footballer. This kid works his a--- off more than you can imagine.
“He has nothing but great intentions. He is going to be a superstar of the game. He has great people around him and he has got great support.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/external-perceptions-of-dustin-martin-could-hardly-be-further-from-the-truth-says-jake-king/news-story/9993fc5f35897fd9fb0af3488e706621
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Dustin Martin, brother in plea to get deportation order on bikie father Shane overturned
Geir O’Rourke,
Herald Sun
June 27, 2016
FOOTBALLER Dustin Martin and his brother have begged authorities to allow their bikie dad Shane to return to Australia.
The Richmond star’s brother, Bronson, an Australian army officer who served in Afghanistan, broke down in tears as he described his grief at being separated from his dad.
Shane Martin had his visa cancelled in March for his involvement in the outlaw Rebels motorcycle gang and was deported to New Zealand.
Bronson told Channel 7 the decision was utterly unfair.
“They took my dad away after I’ve put my life on the line for this country,” he said.
Dustin spent last weekend in New Zealand with his dad as the family attempts to have the deportation order overturned.
“He has been my No. 1 supporter,” the Richmond midfielder said.
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton confirmed in March that Martin was among 81 people whose visas had been cancelled or refused since 2014 for links to bikie gang members and associates.
“We are at war with outlaw motorcycle gangs because they are distributing drugs across society and they’re involved in serious crime,” he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/dustin-martin-brother-in-plea-to-get-deportation-order-on-bikie-father-shane-overturned/news-story/1b3506a2e05a18522d7288dd01281330
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Here's the whole story from Kiwi TV:
http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/aussie-rules-video-6478677
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So, who exactly were the posters on here who wanted to get rid of Dusty again?
I don't expect the individuals themselves to admit their stupidity but if others were to lag,
That would be good.
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Here's the whole story from Kiwi TV:
http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/aussie-rules-video-6478677
Very disappointing this, very..it's an embarrassment for this country.. >:(
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So, who exactly were the posters on here who wanted to get rid of Dusty again?
I don't expect the individuals themselves to admit their stupidity but if others were to lag,
That would be good.
Coming from someone who despises laggers?
Hmmm, like Adam Goodes taking white peoples money and then complaining when they boo him
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1) Hard Roar Tiger
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Speak out.
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“
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialists
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But now that you're a socialist......
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I say get off dustys dad t@s u fascist pig dogs
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If the Tigers are to win, expect Dustin Martin to be at his best. The midfielder has improved yet again, and that has certainly been noticed at Tigerland.
Against the Lions, he racked up 35 disposals and 10 inside 50s in a dominant performance.
"He's been in awesome form this year, hasn't he? He's just taken his game to a new level," Ellis said.
"He's been a lot fitter than what he has been. I think that's why he's playing the footy he has been.
"He's just so confident at the moment."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-28/history-against-power-fresh-in-the-mind-for-tigers
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1) Hard Roar Tiger
Do your research and then try again.
Love Dusty.
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Could Dustin Martin cap off rollercoaster season by doing the Brownlow unthinkable?
Lukesicari
Foxsports
28 June 2016
Think back to December and try to remember what your opinion on Dustin Martin was.
Richmond great Kevin Bartlett’s thoughts on the Tigers midfielder weren’t misconstrued.
After Martin was accused of threatening to stab a woman in the face with chopsticks, Bartlett ripped Richmond and the AFL to come down hard on the disgraced player.
“It’s hard to imagine a more serious allegation,” Bartlett said in December on SEN Radio.
“A 12 month suspension and a $50,000 donation to an appropriate women’s organisation seems a realistic and fair conclusion for the club, the AFL and the image of the game.”
While further information of the incident has come to the forefront, there is still no denying that Martin was entering a 2016 season under a cloud of criticism.
Many wondered whether Martin would be able to recapture his electric form with the off-season scandal, while some even floated the idea if his Tiger teammates would welcome him back, considering the sensitivity of the situation.
With Richmond’s boycott of Triple M radio station for comments made on the issue of violence against women, that whole Martin scenario becomes even murkier.
When taking all of that into consideration, Martin’s on-field response in 2016 becomes even more inspired.
Martin is in career best form, and his per game averages back that up. 28.5 disposals, 11.8 contested possessions, 424.2 meters gained, 6.4 score involvements, 3.8 tackles and 4.8 inside 50s is one mighty impressive set of numbers.
Over the past five games, Martin has been even better, as the Tigers have won four of their past five, keeping their slim finals hopes alive. Since Round 9, Martin has racked up 30, 38, 22, 38 and 35 touches, evening out to an average of 32.6 per game.
Martin has officially developed himself into a premier AFL midfielder. His combination of strength, toughness and quickness out of the packs allows him to change games in an instant. The questions over whether he is fully committed to the game of football have been dismissed, and Martin has forged his name among the AFL’s best.
The Tigers have gone through a disappointing 2016 season. The top-4 expectations were way off the mark and, as aforementioned, off-field drama has been prominent.
Coincidentally, Martin has been the shining star of an uneven season, but coach Damian Hardwick still expects more, calling Martin’s performance in the Tigers most recent win just “okay”.
While Hardwick is doing his due diligence as a coach and that’s demanding more out of a player, there is no doubting the football world, and the Brownlow watches, have taken a vast interest into Martin’s uptick in production.
The consensus Brownlow Medalist at the moment is Patrick Dangerfield and for good reason. The Cat has simply been tremendous this season, but the competition is close on his tail.
Firstly, Dangerfield’s teammate, Joel Selwood, is sure to steal some votes from the former Crow. Additionally, Rory Sloane, Dan Hannebery, Sam Mitchell and Callan Ward have all had Brownlow-worthy seasons.
Martin deserves to be in that conversation.
According to Champion Data’s Brownlow predicator after Round 14, the medal is still Dangerfield’s to loss. The proficient Geelong midfielder has a predicated 24 votes, with Hannebery and Mitchell behind him on 17. Martin is way down the pack, on 12 votes, tied with Matt Priddis and Trent Cotchin.
The AFL website’s Brownlow predicator has the pack a lot closer at the conclusion of Round 14. Dangerfield has 18 votes, while Martin is on his tail with 14, tied for third with Selwood, Ward and Luke Parker. Sloane is second, with 15 votes.
So, what does all of this mean?
Well, for one, it guarantees a much more entertaining Brownlow count, unlike last year’s Nathan Fyfe vs. the AFL show.
What it also shows though, is Martin has the chance to pull off one of the most improbable Brownlow wins in recent memory.
Is Martin going to win the medal?
At this stage of the season, with the number of impressive midfielders in the competition, it’s hard to give a concrete yes to that answer.
But is Martin in the mix for the Brownlow, and would a strong second half to the season have him as a frontrunner?
Absolutely, and there is no denying that, despite what your opinion of Martin was back in December.
http://thecrowd.foxsports.com.au/t5/Best-On-Ground/Could-Dustin-Martin-cap-off-rollercoaster-season-by-doing-the/m-p/88103
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One minute this guy is a hero, now he's a loose cannon and you're all glad he is "quitting". I hope he stays and you all look like stuffwits. Well most of you already do regardless
Talking of the past here is one of my most favourite quotes of the time of martingate
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Not the worst thing for RFC as i think his disposal really hurts the team at times and we will be well compensated for him. MUST SIGN UP CONCA!
And this LMAO
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1) Hard Roar Tiger
Do your research and then try again.
Love Dusty.
Forget which account you were logged in with?
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Tiger Martin unaffected by Brownlow talk
AAP
29 June 2016
Richmond star Dustin Martin has remained largely unaffected by speculation over his chances of winning the Brownlow Medal, according to teammate Brandon Ellis.
Martin’s career-best form has been a key factor in the Tigers’ recent resurgence and has seen him touted as a genuine rival for Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield for this year’s Brownlow.
“It’s not spoken about around the club at all,” Ellis said of the hype around Martin’s form.
“It’s always in the papers and you see it on social media, but he doesn’t take any notice of that at all.
“(But) he’s been in awesome form this year, hasn’t he? He’s just taken his game to a new level. He’s a lot fitter than what he has been … I think that’s why he’s playing the footy that he’s been playing.”
http://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/tiger-martin-unaffected-by-brownlow-talk/188700
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That's nice Brandon you felt the need to comment. How about talk about your own soft and pathetic season
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Dusty up to third in the AFL Coaches Association award :thumbsup.
AFLCA LEADERBOARD
76 Rory Sloane (Adel)
69 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
64 Dustin Martin (Rich)
64 Joel Selwood (Geel)
63 Luke Shuey (WCE)
59 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
55 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
51 Todd Goldstein (NM)
51 Luke Parker (Syd)
51 Jack Steven (StK)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-11/aflca-votes-round-16
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Would have picked up 1 vote today, maybe 2 at a stretch.
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A lot of his touches are meaningless and his team mates just give him the ball even when they should look for another option.
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because he is 1 of about 3 people you can trust in our team with the ball atm lol
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Would be absolutely unstoppable if he was cleaner below his knees....like Matthews, the Abletts, Carey at their peak level unstoppable ...
...and could go forward more if Halfstep moved Vlastuin to the guts....
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Dusty watch
Richmond's star midfielder has knocked up plenty of possessions in recent times but hasn't always earned praise for his massive numbers. The Giants decided not to run a tag on Martin but Callan Ward, Dylan Shiel and Ryan Griffen definitely kept an eye on the powerful onballer, and although he finished with 28 disposals, six tackles and four clearances for the day, his influence on the game's result was minimal given the lack of support he got from his teammates.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-30/five-talking-points-gws-v-richmond
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No votes this round unfortunately.
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Wasn't very influential today. Still not sure why they want the ball in his hands in the defensive 50....
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Wasn't very influential today. Still not sure why they want the ball in his hands in the defensive 50....
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Yeh who wants to see that sort of play
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Imagine he kicked that from just outside or in our 50, 3-4 times a game...
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Imagine he kicked that from just outside or in our 50, 3-4 times a game...
Against Hardwicks rules.
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Watching Heeney for the Swans kick a couple of running goals on the 50 arc. I guarantee had Dusty been in the same position he would have either stopped and propped or run on and tried to execute a little chip pass. No doubt another Hardwick brainwashing subject, sad to see.
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Imagine he kicked that from just outside or in our 50, 3-4 times a game...
Against Hardwicks rules.
You can 'reset' if u win a throw in, in the forward pocket
:shh
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Imagine he kicked that from just outside or in our 50, 3-4 times a game...
If he was up forward the stuffing thing would never go in there, especially with a penetrating kick as he's the only one who does it
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pretty sure he has made it clear in the past he does not understand/agree with that basic concept of football.
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Play him back.
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Wasn't very influential today. Still not sure why they want the ball in his hands in the defensive 50....
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He should be dropped for breaking the process.
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Play him back.
Put him in the middle and let him find the stuffing thing whether it be back or forward of centre. Then he can rest forward from time to time. I bet Reiwoldt is only ever happy on field when he see's Martin with the ball
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only when Martin isnt watching the ball when he kicks
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only when Martin isnt watching the ball when he kicks
I'm spoiled with choice and can't choose what to reply :lol
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:lol
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Play him back, with the other 21.
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Play him back, with the other 21.
Make that 20 as your fav player Hampson is the best ruck ever so let's keep him in the middle
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Every player must play back to learn their defensive side, the experts say this.
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Every player must play back to learn their defensive side, the experts say this.
Hammer is an offensive gun, he has an exemption from playing back
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"You don't need goals if you can stop them"
Dimmer's book of life coaching.
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Every player must play back to learn their defensive side, the experts say this.
How long until Rioli goes back :lol. Not sure the "experts" dig is at me and Penny but we don't advocate for "every player to go back" and especially not so they "can learn their defensive side". But if that's what you take out of what we've argued then I don't think you're ever going to understand because we cannot make it clearer. Bless
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Dusty's came third in the Coaches Player of the Year :clapping.
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year top 10
1. Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong) 121
2. Rory Sloane (Adelaide) 93
3. Dustin Martin (Richmond) 90
4. Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs) 88
5. Luke Parker (Sydney Swans) 86
5. Joel Selwood (Geelong) 86
7. Dan Hannebery (Sydney Swans) 83
8. Luke Shuey (West Coast) 82
9. Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide) 77
10. Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans) 69
10. Josh Kennedy (West Coast) 69
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-29/geelong-superstar-patrick-dangerfield-wins-aflca-award-with-record-haul
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Dusty's came third in the Coaches Player of the Year :clapping.
AFLCA Champion Player of the Year top 10
1. Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong) 121
2. Rory Sloane (Adelaide) 93
3. Dustin Martin (Richmond) 90
4. Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs) 88
5. Luke Parker (Sydney Swans) 86
5. Joel Selwood (Geelong) 86
7. Dan Hannebery (Sydney Swans) 83
8. Luke Shuey (West Coast) 82
9. Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide) 77
10. Josh Kennedy (Sydney Swans) 69
10. Josh Kennedy (West Coast) 69
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-29/geelong-superstar-patrick-dangerfield-wins-aflca-award-with-record-haul
Where's Houli? Deserved better
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Hamspud was surely the highest placed ruckman.....
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Hamspud was surely the highest placed ruckman.....
They do vote based only on training, right?
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Doubt it....otherwise he would've won it outright...
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:lol
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Lids praising Dusty's year:
Deledio was blown away by what Martin managed to produce on such a consistent basis throughout the season.
“I remember playing in games with him and at half-time you’d see him already on 19 or 20 touches. And then, by the end of the game, you look up in the last quarter and he’s on nearly 40,” Deledio said on RSN.
“He just gets so much of the ball. His work in close was so much improved, and his ability to break tackles . . . I think I saw a stat that he’s broken the most tackles ever, for someone playing the game . .
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-17/deledios-high-praise-for-martin-rance
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Lids praising Dusty's year:
Deledio was blown away by what Martin managed to produce on such a consistent basis throughout the season.
“I remember playing in games with him and at half-time you’d see him already on 19 or 20 touches. And then, by the end of the game, you look up in the last quarter and he’s on nearly 40,” Deledio said on RSN.
“He just gets so much of the ball. His work in close was so much improved, and his ability to break tackles . . . I think I saw a stat that he’s broken the most tackles ever, for someone playing the game . .
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-17/deledios-high-praise-for-martin-rance
As opposed to someone who has not played the game?
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"His work in close was so much improved"
Not sure it has. He's just been given the chance to do it again :shh
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Have we signed him yet?????
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Ummmm he is already signed up to the end of 2017, you can't sign up someone already signed, or are you saying that there are extension talks
Please explain
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Ch 9 news tonight said there's 5 clubs (from Victoria and interstate) keen on gaining Dusty.
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There should be 17 other clubs keen.
Why wouldn't they be?
And why would he want to stay? Club's a rabble.
Chase dollars or success.
Loyalty is dead in the modern game. It's a business. Honorable mention to small examples, such as the Hawthorn veterans being willing to take less so they can attract players such as O'Meara.
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Tommy Ren on SEN now saying there has been dialogue between his management and crows plus interest from half a dozen clubs
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Tommy Ren on SEN now saying there has been dialogue between his management and crows plus interest from half a dozen clubs
He also said it is highly unlikely he will leave....... Although with Ralph Carr as a manager who would know?
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Tommy Ren on SEN now saying there has been dialogue between his management and crows plus interest from half a dozen clubs
He also said it is highly unlikely he will leave....... Although with Ralph Carr as a manager who would know?
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I don't believe he would leave either, but who knows what stages of desperation Halfsteps game plan will lead playersto mmidway through next season :whistle
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It would hurt,
but WORST case scenario is we get a first round draft pick as compo.
Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
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He won't be traded this year unless we trade in another marquee player to replace him.
In fact we won't trade him full stop this year.
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Tommy Ren on SEN now saying there has been dialogue between his management and crows plus interest from half a dozen clubs
Tom Rehn: Dusty and the Crows have definitely been talking
By Justin Talent
SEN
September 21, 2016
Dustin Martin’s management have unquestionably been in dialogue with other clubs says Tom Rehn, and believes Adelaide are showing a lot of interest in the star midfielder.
SEN’s Adelaide correspondent says that while he believes the move is unlikely to happen, the Crows consider Martin the perfect solution to their midfield problems.
“I’ve spoken to a couple of people close to the Crows and Martin’s camp and there’s definitely been some dialogue,” Rehn said on SEN Breakfast.
“I think there have been a number of clubs, my understanding is as many as half a dozen. He’s one of the most marketable and prized recruits going around and he’s still got a year to run on his contract as you know but there is absolutely a lot of interest coming from the Crows.
“On the weekend I think they were exposed in their midfield, they were bashed up…he’s seen as the kind of guy that would fit in there brilliantly.
“Is it going to happen? Look, very unlikely but there’s no question the Crows are interested and willing to have a chat.”
Tim Watson says that Adelaide may instead be working towards recruiting the 2016 Jack Dyer Medallist next season under free agency instead of chasing him this year.
“What we do know now is that clubs are working 12 months and two years out from securing players, that’s how long they work on a deal,” he said.
“You can get Dusty Martin at the end of next season after he’s played one more year for the Richmond Football Club, he is a free agent so you can secure him.
“A manager is not doing his job unless he goes out into the marketplace and tests the marketplace for his player to establish a figure he believes his player should be receiving…right now, Dustin Martin’s value to someone else might be more than Richmond are prepared to pay.”
The former Essendon captain also believes that Martin may not have been played in his best position by the Tigers this year despite a career-best season at Punt Road.
“I don’t think they played him particularly well, they ended up setting him up as a player almost across half back getting cheapies, trying to run around the outside and get a handball, that type of thing,” Watson said.
“I don’t think that necessarily plays to the strength of him and also the strength of the team.”
Martin’s manager Ralph Carr chose to make no comment when contacted by SEN Breakfast.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/09/21/tom-rehn-dusty-and-the-crows-have-definitely-been-talking/
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Won't be surprised if something comes of this, big money being spruiked.
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Would be twice as big as dangerfield
The toothless cousins lovers would be all over it, mayor of Adelaide
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It would hurt,
but WORST case scenario is we get a first round draft pick as compo.
Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
why we have griffiths and hardwick :gotigers
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Sounds like Ralphy is just up to his old tricks.
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Hmm
A board who extended Hardwicks caching contract for another two years and Dusty.
Good luck to him at his new club. :clapping
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Hmm
A board who extended Hardwicks caching contract for another two years and Dusty.
Good luck to him at his new club. :clapping
I'm sure he did this last time his contract was up, I know different situation, but i'm not too worried. We are going to be shyte anyway
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If Marley comes to our club, I don't think he'll be going anywhere…..
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Where there's smoke and an offer to double your wages theres fire.
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If Marley comes to our club, I don't think he'll be going anywhere…..
god why would we want marley Williams mate more headaches :banghead :banghead :banghead see him on the weekend for the pies 2s hopeless
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If Marley comes to our club, I don't think he'll be going anywhere…..
god why would we want marley Williams mate more headaches :banghead :banghead :banghead see him on the weekend for the pies 2s hopeless
Cheap way of keeping Dusty…. ;)
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Would be devestated if Martin left.
Our club would be bottom 6 for 5 years.
This is why Hardwick needs to go! Our B&F winner should NOT be reported going anywhere at all.
You match the offer next year as he is worth it for us.
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Sam McClue from the Age has confirmed Adelaide has not approached Martins management. Nothing to see here for the moment! The media this year are out of control coming up with all this crap.
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According to the media we are trading most of our side.
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According to the media we are trading most of our side.
yes
next itll be rance
the media are obsessed with us trading our top players, they were amused seeing us fail this year and want it to continue.
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According to the media we are trading most of our side.
yes
next itll be rance
the media are obsessed with us trading our top players, they were amused seeing us fail this year and want it to continue.
You're not wrong
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Any of our 'big five' would be excellent a half decent club
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next itll be rance
the media are obsessed with us trading our top players, they were amused seeing us fail this year and want it to continue.
Think Dunstall has already floated Rance as being amongst those as a possible trade.
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Dunstall wants us to bottom out and totally rebuild. If that's your strategy then sure dump your top 5 for picks buthe we have screwed up bottoming out before under Wallace. So did Melbourne. Dunstalls main premise relies on you being able to pick talent. We have yet to prove that on any consistent basis.
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They are just trying to shake the tree so the clubs they are associated with get our better players on the cheap
Richmond looks like they are a rabble and are panicking if you listen to some rabid supporters and the self interest groups who have no plan and help fuel the frenzy from parts of the media.
Thank goodness Neil Balme is at Richmond , as he will calm the troops
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Crows not chasing Tiger Martin
Mark Robinson and Jesper Fjeldstad
The Advertiser
22 September 2016
THE Adelaide Football club on Wednesday night said it had no interest in trying to recruit Richmond’s Dustin Martin to the Crows.
The Crows, who have been linked to a $6-million deal with the Tigers’ midfielder, along with Essendon and St Kilda, were quick to deny any connection with Martin’s management.
Crows general manager-list management and strategy, Justin Reid, said any suggestion the Richmond midfielder was being considered is incorrect.
“He is not part of our recruiting and list management discussions,” Reid said.
“To suggest otherwise is incorrect.”
Martin is contracted for the 2017 season and it would seem incredulous the Tigers would want to trade the Jack Dyer Medallist this year.
The Tigers and Martin’s manager Ralph Carr have scheduled a meeting for today.
A move to extend Martin’s contract in the middle of this season did not eventuate and it’s understood the Tigers postponed those talks.
Martin is a free agent at the end of 2017 and the Tigers will want ensure they sign him as soon as possible. It’s believed Martin was paid between $600,000 and $650,000 this season and a new deal at Richmond would likely see him paid close to $1 million a season.
He is among the top five chances for this year’s Brownlow Medal and has missed just three games since making his debut in 2010. He has played 153 games in total.
Martin is said to be disappointed at the sacking of his long-time mentor Mark Williams, but gave no indication at the club’s best-and-fairest count that his future would not be at Richmond.
“‘Choco’ (Williams) — you’ve helped take my game to another level and I’m going to miss you around the club,” Martin said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-essendon-st-kilda-prepared-to-offer-dustin-martin-huge-deals-to-leave-richmond/news-story/7027efa1c562373cf11d0750c2d835ae
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Tigers set to get on front foot re Martin extension as clubs circle.
https://twitter.com/Stevo7AFL/with_replies
Stevens on Ch 7 news tonight also said St Kilda is one of the clubs while Adelaide insiders are denying they are chasing Dusty.
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If I havent already, may just lose it if dusty left :(
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Dusty set to remain at Punt Road
Mark Robinson and Eliza Sewell,
Herald-Sun/The Advertiser
22 September 2016
DUSTIN Martin’s management is expected to meet Richmond on Friday to possibly start talks on a new deal for the All-Australian midfielder.
Speculation that several clubs were lining up to offer Martin at least $1 million a year to leave Richmond at the end of the 2017 season was rejected by two clubs on Wednesday.
Adelaide, Essendon and St Kilda were linked to Martin, but both Adelaide and St Kilda denied interest.
The Herald Sun initially reported those clubs were lining up to try to tempt Martin from Punt Rd, who becomes a free agent at the end of the 2017 season.
Martin is contracted for the 2017 season and it would seem incredulous the Tigers would want to trade out the Jack Dyer medallist this year.
More importantly, there is no indication Martin wants out of Punt Rd and it’s possible a contract extension could be in the works.
The Tigers and Martin’s manager Ralph Carr have scheduled a meeting for Friday.
A move to extend Martin’s contract in the middle of this season did not eventuate and it’s understood the Tigers postponed those talks.
A free agent at the end of 2017, the Tigers will want ensure they sign Martin as soon as possible.
The Bombers have been keen on Martin for several years.
Before Martin signed a two-year contract at the start of the 2015 season, the Bombers tabled an offer which would’ve paid Martin significantly more than what Richmod did.
Martin, however, chose to remain a Tiger.
The Bombers’ interest in Martin has not waned and they once again are a serious bidder for the explosive on-baller.
It’s believed Martin was paid between $600,00 and $650,000 this season and a new deal at Richmond would demand a pay increase.
Martin is among the top five chances for this year’s Brownlow Medal and has missed just three games since making his debut in 2010. He has played 153 games in total.
There’s no question Martin loves the Tigers, but the 25-year-old also wants to play in a premiership.
Martin is said to be disappointed at the sacking of his long-time mentor Mark Williams, but gave no indication at the best and fairest count that his future would not be at Richmond.
“‘Choco’ (Williams) – you’ve helped take my game to another level and I’m going to miss you around the club,” Martin said.
Martin has had his fair share of off-field issues, but thanked the club, including president Peggy O’Neal and chief executive Brendon Gale, for its support.
“Thanks to Peggy, Brendon and the board for sticking by me,” he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/adelaide-essendon-st-kilda-prepared-to-offer-dustin-martin-huge-deals-to-leave-richmond/news-story/dd4fb166983b89fa06163df4462eeaec
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Drug cheats in for him too
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Ummmm he is already signed up to the end of 2017, you can't sign up someone already signed, or are you saying that there are extension talks
Please explain
The stories above ("Dusty set to remain at Punt Road") is what I meant I meant, sorry for giving you credit to understand what I was getting at.
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
Nobody hanging out the back waving there arms for the cheapie! That really will be missed! :lol
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"Why didn't you kick it 80 meters to me "
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Ummmm he is already signed up to the end of 2017, you can't sign up someone already signed, or are you saying that there are extension talks
Please explain
The stories above ("Dusty set to remain at Punt Road") is what I meant I meant, sorry for giving you credit to understand what I was getting at.
That is definitely beyond me
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Every club is trying to get him. It's common club practice around this time of year. There is no loyalty in football these days & it's all about the money. If a club offers him a huge deal then go get it & good luck. That is football in the $$$ generation.
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Dusty in a top side will propel them to a flag. Of course clubs will be chasing him.
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
We would get an early first round pick for Dusty, first round pick at the very worst if he left as a FA next year.
We spent pick 8 on Vickery, put years of development into him and we're getting a 2nd round pick back - AND feeling good about it.
That's what I mean.
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dusty will not be going anywhere he is black and yellow thru and thru know specially after the last years events... he will be a key to us for the next 8 years
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
We would get an early first round pick for Dusty, first round pick at the very worst if he left as a FA next year.
We spent pick 8 on Vickery, put years of development into him and we're getting a 2nd round pick back - AND feeling good about it.
That's what I mean.
On the hand if we lose a gun (Dusty) and gain a potential good player. On the other we lose a spud (Vickery) and gain a potential reasonable player.
I know which of the two I'd prefer!!!
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
We would get an early first round pick for Dusty, first round pick at the very worst if he left as a FA next year.
We spent pick 8 on Vickery, put years of development into him and we're getting a 2nd round pick back - AND feeling good about it.
That's what I mean.
Okay so where is the explanation where it hurts us more? Or are you trying to say we could get a better player than Dusty with another 1st round pick but we are unlikely to upgrade on Vickery with a 2nd round pick?
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
We would get an early first round pick for Dusty, first round pick at the very worst if he left as a FA next year.
We spent pick 8 on Vickery, put years of development into him and we're getting a 2nd round pick back - AND feeling good about it.
That's what I mean.
Okay so where is the explanation where it hurts us more? Or are you trying to say we could get a better player than Dusty with another 1st round pick but we are unlikely to upgrade on Vickery with a 2nd round pick?
Alright
We spent an early first rounder on Dusty. WORST CASE SCENARIO he signs on elsewhere as a free agent and we get a first round selection as compo. Worst case. First rounder for first rounder.
Vickery, whom we spent our first rounder on (pick 8, 2008) and spent years developing, signs on elsewhere,for which we get a 2nd Round pick as compo (and we're jumping for joy at the value we get out of that deal!).
So what I'm saying is that Vickery leaving leaves us with a second round pick - which is far less than what we paid - whilst Dusty leaving leaves us with a good chance of a like-for-like compensation.
You dig?
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
We would get an early first round pick for Dusty, first round pick at the very worst if he left as a FA next year.
We spent pick 8 on Vickery, put years of development into him and we're getting a 2nd round pick back - AND feeling good about it.
That's what I mean.
Okay so where is the explanation where it hurts us more? Or are you trying to say we could get a better player than Dusty with another 1st round pick but we are unlikely to upgrade on Vickery with a 2nd round pick?
Alright
We spent an early first rounder on Dusty. WORST CASE SCENARIO he signs on elsewhere as a free agent and we get a first round selection as compo. Worst case. First rounder for first rounder.
Vickery, whom we spent our first rounder on (pick 8, 2008) and spent years developing, signs on elsewhere,for which we get a 2nd Round pick as compo (and we're jumping for joy at the value we get out of that deal!).
So what I'm saying is that Vickery leaving leaves us with a second round pick - which is far less than what we paid - whilst Dusty leaving leaves us with a good chance of a like-for-like compensation.
You dig?
Once again I fail to see how that hurts us more, no matter how much you "dumb it down". You can prattle on about us using a first rounder on Vickery all those years ago but he isn't worth that now and to be honest, we don't lose much by him leaving except for him filling a list need - which we could easily fill with the pick we get for him with the added bonus of them being a chance of being a better player. Martin on the other hand would be a big blow, we'd lose a premium mid for a pick that while good, isn't necessarily going to be a better player, in fact chances are very slim. Let's not forget our need for good inside mids and dynamic forwards, which Dusty fits.
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Ironically Vickery leaving hurts us more than if Dusty did.
Sorry, what?
We would get an early first round pick for Dusty, first round pick at the very worst if he left as a FA next year.
We spent pick 8 on Vickery, put years of development into him and we're getting a 2nd round pick back - AND feeling good about it.
That's what I mean.
Okay so where is the explanation where it hurts us more? Or are you trying to say we could get a better player than Dusty with another 1st round pick but we are unlikely to upgrade on Vickery with a 2nd round pick?
Alright
We spent an early first rounder on Dusty. WORST CASE SCENARIO he signs on elsewhere as a free agent and we get a first round selection as compo. Worst case. First rounder for first rounder.
Vickery, whom we spent our first rounder on (pick 8, 2008) and spent years developing, signs on elsewhere,for which we get a 2nd Round pick as compo (and we're jumping for joy at the value we get out of that deal!).
So what I'm saying is that Vickery leaving leaves us with a second round pick - which is far less than what we paid - whilst Dusty leaving leaves us with a good chance of a like-for-like compensation.
You dig?
You can prattle on about us using a first rounder on Vickery all those years ago but he isn't worth that now and to be honest, we don't lose much by him leaving except for him filling a list need - which we could easily fill with the pick we get for him with the added bonus of them being a chance of being a better player.
Guess that's where we differ in opinion then.
I see a first round selection who is leaving as they hit their physical prime for a second round compensation in return as a gigantic loss.
I see an early first round selection (albeit champion) leaving for a (likely) early first round selection as a small loss.
Just my two cents.
Hope that was concise enough for you mate.
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I see a first round selection who is leaving as they hit their physical prime for a second round compensation in return as a gigantic loss.
LMAO at "hit their physical prime" in relation to Vickery
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I see a first round selection who is leaving as they hit their physical prime for a second round compensation in return as a gigantic loss.
LMAO at "hit their physical prime" in relation to Vickery
Disagree. He is at his zenith now for getting cheapies out the back. :clapping
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I see a first round selection who is leaving as they hit their physical prime for a second round compensation in return as a gigantic loss.
LMAO at "hit their physical prime" in relation to Vickery
Disagree. He is at his zenith now for getting cheapies out the back. :clapping
If only we had Brad Miller to give it to him
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I can see where this may be heading in 6 months time. Old Ralphy will be instructing his client not to sign anything especially as the turmoil will start to evolve by round 6.
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Now that all Hawthorns top shelf have moved out Vickery will be just as starved of the ball as he was with us LOL they recruited him to help them bottom out for some draft picks in the next few seasons
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Dane Swan says he expects his close friend and soon-to-be free agent Dustin Martin to re-commit to Richmond, but concedes whether Martin stays a Tiger could hinge on how Richmond perform in 2017.
http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trade-period-2016-live-coverage-day-six-20161016-gs3iok.html
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Looking at how Libba is spending his time off and becoming some what of a cult figure (at least in my "circle") makes me question the reactions if Martin was to be doing the exact same things. Will probably be having the media all over him and police investigations ::)
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Looking at how Libba is spending his time off and becoming some what of a cult figure (at least in my "circle") makes me question the reactions if Martin was to be doing the exact same things. Will probably be having the media all over him and police investigations ::)
Libba Jnr should be under police invesitgation for that haircut
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Dusty flew out to Europe today
From there to London then on to New York and South America then home
Let's hope he keeps out of trouble
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Any money he leaves the club when out of contract :snidegrin
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Dusty flew out to Europe today
From there to London then on to New York and South America then home
Let's hope he keeps out of trouble
Wowee!
Credit where credit is due, if he comes back healthy after that I tip my lid to him.
It won't be easy. :help
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Lets hope he don't meet up with Mara Salvatrucha 13 in South America :snidegrin
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Dusty flew out to Europe today
From there to London then on to New York and South America then home
Let's hope he keeps out of trouble
Wow the Brexit has really struck England hard.
London is no longer part of Europe.
:lol
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Dusty flew out to Europe today
From there to London then on to New York and South America then home
Let's hope he keeps out of trouble
You following him outside of the RFC car park now?
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Dusty flew out to Europe today
From there to London then on to New York and South America then home
Let's hope he keeps out of trouble
You following him outside of the RFC car park now?
Ah no
First stop is Amsterdam
Then on to London
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Any money he leaves the club when out of contract :snidegrin
Already in discussion with St K who are offering huge coin for him ;)
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Interesting to see if Marli Williams comes to us though
One of Dusty best mates
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Any money he leaves the club when out of contract :snidegrin
Already in discussion with St K who are offering huge coin for him ;)
no surprise and with the change of coach to come its a formality isnt it. Good Source?
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Looking at how Libba is spending his time off and becoming some what of a cult figure (at least in my "circle") makes me question the reactions if Martin was to be doing the exact same things. Will probably be having the media all over him and police investigations ::)
Libba Jnr should be under police invesitgation for that haircut
Not surprisingly, Bulldogs hierarchy not happy with Libba Jnr's antics
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Interesting to see if Marli Williams comes to us though
One of Dusty best mates
Just like having Grigg keeps Deledio here....oh wait....
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Looking at how Libba is spending his time off and becoming some what of a cult figure (at least in my "circle") makes me question the reactions if Martin was to be doing the exact same things. Will probably be having the media all over him and police investigations ::)
Libba Jnr should be under police invesitgation for that haircut
Not surprisingly, Bulldogs hierarchy not happy with Libba Jnr's antics
Dunno, interview I heard one of the blokes was talking serious words but gave no indication he meant them. Was having a bit of a laugh
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How stupid are the club for not signing him long term
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20 quirky stats from the 2016 AFL season
Herald Sun
October 25, 2016 10:30am
DUSTIN Martin had the football world debating the merits of his best-on-ground performance against Essendon in Round 17.
Even though the Richmond midfielder was awarded three Brownlow Medal votes, the match is now infamous for Martin being ignored by former Carlton great Mark Maclure in his media votes.
Martin starred with 43 disposals but had 18 ineffective kicks, the highest ever recorded by Champion Data.
It is no surprise Martin features in the 20 quirkiest stats from the 2016 season.
5. Dustin Martin’s 18 ineffective kicks in Round 17 against Essendon is the highest tally ever
14. Dustin Martin broke 45 tackles for the season — 20 more than any other player in a single season
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/20-quirky-stats-from-the-2016-afl-season/news-story/41632b9b07872f5b00658d4ffcc2e5a6
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Can we close the Dusty thread during off season? I have sweaty palms every time I click on it in anticipation of what I might read he is doing with Swanny.
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Footy star’s bikie dad wants to return to Oz
James O’Doherty, David Hurley and Samantha Maiden
Herald Sun
4 December 2016
THE deported bikie dad of footy star Dustin Martin has made an astonishing bid to return to Australia — by claiming he has Aboriginal heritage.
Shane Martin, 49, was booted back to his native New Zealand in March over his involvement with the Rebels outlaw motorcycle gang — one of the most high-profile victims of the Federal Government’s anti-bikie blitz.
Sources last night told the Sunday Herald Sun that Aboriginal descent was not raised by Mr Martin during the deportation process.
But shortly after his return to New Zealand, Mr Martin visited his uncle, who revealed he has Aboriginal heritage.
“We got talking about family history ... and my uncle goes, ‘You know your grandmother was Aboriginal?’,” Mr Martin told Sky News.
They took documents to the Aboriginal Sobriety Group, which helped them get their claim assessed.
Dean Martin was then issued with a document titled “Confirmation of Aboriginality or Torres Strait Islander Descent”. Shane expects to receive his own document soon.
On his application form, Shane Martin identifies as being part of the Ngarrindjeri Aboriginal nation, and says this is accepted by Major Sumner, a Member of the Order of Australia and also a board member of the Aboriginal Sobriety Group.
Gary Paynter, another ASG board member, said the weight of evidence proved Mr Martin to be a descendant of Aboriginal Australians.
But Aboriginal descent does not provide an automatic pathway to citizenship, though Mr Martin believes his history proves his deportation was unlawful.
Mr Martin’s legal team is set to hold a meeting on Tuesday about whether their argument will stand up.
The footy star’s dad has not denied being involved with the Rebels but has said he has never broken the law.
“In 15 years I never even had a knock on the door from the police,” he said.
In March the Federal Government declared it was “at war” with outlaw motorcycle gangs and had ordered 81 foreign-born bikies out of the country.
Mr Martin had been living in Australia since he was about 20, and his family still lives here.
Dustin Martin has been visibly moved by the deportation of his dad this year, saying that it has been tough without him.
Now his father has also spoken of the toll his exile to New Zealand had taken on his family.
“You’ve got no idea what it’s done to my kids,” Shane Martin said.
“How can you be a father when you’re overseas? The only thing you’ve got to talk to your kids is a telephone.
“I’ve got a young bloke, Bronson, who went to Afghanistan and fought for Australia and then he comes home and his old man has been deported for something petty. Over nothing,”
“Fair enough if I was a sh — bag but I’m not.”
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton refused to comment on the case as it is the subject of ongoing court action.
“The cancellation decision is currently subject to judicial review by the Federal Court,’’ a spokeswoman for the minister said.
“Mr Martin has not formally advanced any claims of citizenship to the department or as part of his judicial review proceedings.”
Since being deported Mr Martin has been living in Tauranga, on the northeast coast of the North Island, close to where he grew up.
Richmond star Dustin Martin at training. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
Earlier this year his Tigers star son, Dustin, third in the 2016 Brownlow Medal count, told of his pain of playing the season without his dad on the sidelines.
“I’m very close with my dad and it’s been really tough not having him around this year,” he said.
“I’m hoping things work out and he’s back here in the near future.
“It’s affected me by not having someone close — family — around, whether it’s in the rooms after a game, or coming over to visit. He always gives me encouragement and support.
“Without him, it’s been really hard.”
Whether Mr Martin and his family will be legally considered Aboriginal Australians is unclear.
The accepted definition of Aboriginality is a three-step process. A person must be of indigenous heritage, they must genuinely identify as Aboriginal, and they must be accepted as Aboriginal by the indigenous community.
Mr Martin believes that because he is of Aboriginal heritage that makes him more Australian than many immigrants.
Simon Matthews, a Richmond spokesman, refused to comment yesterday. “It is really a matter for his family,” he said.
Earlier this year Dustin Martin and his brother begged authorities to allow their dad to return to Australia.
The Richmond star’s brother, Bronson, an Australian army officer who served in Afghanistan, broke down in tears on television as he described his grief at being separated from his dad.
Bronson told Channel 7 the decision was utterly unfair. “They took my dad away after I’ve put my life on the line for this country,” he said.
The drama had little effect on Martin’s on-field performance, as he finished third in this year’s Brownlow behind runaway winner Patrick Dangerfield and Swan Luke Parker.
He polled 25 votes in a career-best season. He also claimed Richmond’s best-and-fairest, the Jack Dyer Medal.
Mr Martin believes Mr Dutton should have thoroughly checked his history before ordering his deportation.
Mr Martin says his claims of Aboriginality will be a central aspect of his judicial review.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/dustin-martins-bikie-dad-claims-aboriginal-heritage-in-bid-to-return-to-australia/news-story/2687645ea82191cdabde72199a54f533
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Dutton, dead set wanker.
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There is likely to be more "innocent" victims in this but the more scummy bikers weeded out the better.
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There is likely to be more "innocent" victims in this but the more scummy bikers weeded out the better.
Love you to say that him.
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There is likely to be more "innocent" victims in this but the more scummy bikers weeded out the better.
I endorse this comment :thumbsup
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There is likely to be more "innocent" victims in this but the more scummy bikers weeded out the better.
I endorse this comment :thumbsup
You need one of these... much faster
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:banghead
SNIP
Enough with the petty insults & baiting
Back to the topic
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The whaling fleet back in town? LOL
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
I'd answer that but it'd be snipped :shh
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
I'd answer that but it'd be snipped :shh
Id answer tuthfully but it would be labelled as 'petty insults'
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I will answer. Nothing, nothing at all.
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So like all your other answers to anything then....
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
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So like all your other answers to anything then....
Well WTF do you want, that's it in a nutshell mate, nothing at all.
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
I beg to differ.
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
I beg to differ.
Beg away. Is it the churches that are corrupt, fire with pedophilia? The rugby/AFL clubs with players that offend and rape women or beat their wives, the Police or the actual department that are involved in every corrupt concept possible. Cmon, get off the media hype. Every Club has or organisation has corrupt people, its not the club/organisation, its the people that choose to do wrong.
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God save the sex pistols they're a bunch of wholesome blokes
They just like wearing filthy clothes and swapping filthy jokes
God save television keep the programms pure
God save William Grundy from falling in manure
Ronnie Biggs was doing time until he done a bunk
Now he says he's seen the light and he sold his soul to punk
God save Martin Boorman and nazis on the run
They wasn't being wicked God that was their idea of fun
God save Myra Hindley God save Ian Brady
Even though he's horrible and she ain't what you call a lady
Ronnie Biggs was doing time until he done a bunk
Now he says he's seen the light and he sold his soul to punk
Ronnie Biggs was doing time until he done a bunk
Now he says he's seen the light and he sold his soul to punk
God save politicians God save our friends the pigs
God save Idi Amin and god save Ronald Biggs
God save all us sinners God save your blackest sheep
God save the good samaritan and god save the worthless creep
Ronnie Biggs was doing time until he done a bunk
Now he says he's seen the light and he sold his soul to punk
Ronnie Biggs was doing time until he done a bunk
Now he says he's seen the light and he sold his soul to punk
Sold his soul Sold his soul Sold his soul to punk
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
So one percenter bikies don't make up a "naughty club".
PLEASE
Get fair dinkum
And before you start, I've spent time at the Bendigo Rebels Clubhouse and call some of them mates.
I know a little about patches etc.
The bloke was Sargeant-at-arms.
And you reckon he's never committed decent level crimes, LOL
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
So one percenter bikies don't make up a "naughty club".
PLEASE
Get fair dinkum
And before you start, I've spent time at the Bendigo Rebels Clubhouse and call some of them mates.
I know a little about patches etc.
The bloke was Sargeant-at-arms.
And you reckon he's never committed decent level crimes, LOL
Its the individuals, leave it at that. Great to hear you have "spent time" with them and that you know "a little". Wonder where that leaves me then.
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
So one percenter bikies don't make up a "naughty club".
PLEASE
Get fair dinkum
And before you start, I've spent time at the Bendigo Rebels Clubhouse and call some of them mates.
I know a little about patches etc.
The bloke was Sargeant-at-arms.
And you reckon he's never committed decent level crimes, LOL
Its the individuals, leave it at that. Great to hear you have "spent time" with them and that you know "a little". Wonder where that leaves me then.
It leaves you incorrect again.
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
So one percenter bikies don't make up a "naughty club".
PLEASE
Get fair dinkum
And before you start, I've spent time at the Bendigo Rebels Clubhouse and call some of them mates.
I know a little about patches etc.
The bloke was Sargeant-at-arms.
And you reckon he's never committed decent level crimes, LOL
Its the individuals, leave it at that. Great to hear you have "spent time" with them and that you know "a little". Wonder where that leaves me then.
It leaves you incorrect again.
No it doesn't, it leaves you looking more ignorant than you already are regarding this subject and clearly showing the narcissist you are. You might think you are the football expert but you have idea about this subject.
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So apart from being in a motorcycle club, what crime is Shane Martin guilty of. Anyone?
But it is a naughty motorcycle club! ;D
No it's not!!
So one percenter bikies don't make up a "naughty club".
PLEASE
Get fair dinkum
And before you start, I've spent time at the Bendigo Rebels Clubhouse and call some of them mates.
I know a little about patches etc.
The bloke was Sargeant-at-arms.
And you reckon he's never committed decent level crimes, LOL
Its the individuals, leave it at that. Great to hear you have "spent time" with them and that you know "a little". Wonder where that leaves me then.
It leaves you incorrect again.
No it doesn't, it leaves you looking more ignorant than you already are regarding this subject and clearly showing the narcissist you are. You might think you are the football expert but you have idea about this subject.
Incorrect. Id respond further in the usual constructive and truthful way but whats the point in proving you wrong when you'll just mash the report button and another page of ontopic discussion will be lost.
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I dont mind bikers that much, its the wannabe pretend bikers that make me laugh.
They tend to be look at me type of people who are always melodramising things and sooking it up.
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that sort of person sounds like a real pratt
glad i havent come across any of late.........
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I don't mind motorcycle clubs per se.
SOME clubs, however, are heavily into drugs and other crimes. It seems to be their sole purpose of existence. Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So while all organisations have some bad apples, these gangs tend to have a much higher percentage of bad types. Yes, churches have paedophile priests and that is disgusting. However the vast majority devote their lives to helping others. That is the philosophy of their vocation. Bikies don't have the same altruistic philosophy in general and as I haver pointed out, some gangs are out and out into criminal behaviour. Therein lies a HUGE difference.
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Nothing worse than a pratt. Maybe a sook maquerading as a macho man. But thats about it.
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I don't mind motorcycle clubs per se.
SOME clubs, however, are heavily into drugs and other crimes. It seems to be their sole purpose of existence. Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So while all organisations have some bad apples, these gangs tend to have a much higher percentage of bad types. Yes, churches have paedophile priests and that is disgusting. However the vast majority devote their lives to helping others. That is the philosophy of their vocation. Bikies don't have the same altruistic philosophy in general and as I haver pointed out, some gangs are out and out into criminal behaviour. Therein lies a HUGE difference.
Very good post. I would still think that by the numbers and percentages and going by the latest VLAD law statistics in QLD where bikes attributed to next to nothing that churches and other organisations have a higher crime rate. Also interesting that not one 1%er was charged or at least convicted under the VLAD laws in QLD in the 3 years they have been in place. By the way, its a club, not a gang.
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I don't mind motorcycle clubs per se.
SOME clubs, however, are heavily into drugs and other crimes. It seems to be their sole purpose of existence. Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So while all organisations have some bad apples, these gangs tend to have a much higher percentage of bad types. Yes, churches have paedophile priests and that is disgusting. However the vast majority devote their lives to helping others. That is the philosophy of their vocation. Bikies don't have the same altruistic philosophy in general and as I haver pointed out, some gangs are out and out into criminal behaviour. Therein lies a HUGE difference.
Very good post. I would still think that by the numbers and percentages and going by the latest VLAD law statistics in QLD where bikes attributed to next to nothing that churches and other organisations have a higher crime rate. Also interesting that not one 1%er was charged or at least convicted under the VLAD laws in QLD in the 3 years they have been in place. By the way, its a club, not a gang.
So are you saying that a Church is more likely to be a source of organised crime that a Bikie Gang? Riiight.
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I don't mind motorcycle clubs per se.
SOME clubs, however, are heavily into drugs and other crimes. It seems to be their sole purpose of existence. Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So while all organisations have some bad apples, these gangs tend to have a much higher percentage of bad types. Yes, churches have paedophile priests and that is disgusting. However the vast majority devote their lives to helping others. That is the philosophy of their vocation. Bikies don't have the same altruistic philosophy in general and as I haver pointed out, some gangs are out and out into criminal behaviour. Therein lies a HUGE difference.
Very good post. I would still think that by the numbers and percentages and going by the latest VLAD law statistics in QLD where bikes attributed to next to nothing that churches and other organisations have a higher crime rate. Also interesting that not one 1%er was charged or at least convicted under the VLAD laws in QLD in the 3 years they have been in place. By the way, its a club, not a gang.
So are you saying that a Church is more likely to be a source of organised crime that a Bikie Gang? Riiight.
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?). Look at the one involving the Australian Cardinal that had to go to Rome to explain himself, its rife, same as Police corruption. Not all churches are like that, not all church people are like that, not all coppers or police departments are corrupt....not all bike clubs are either. That's what I am saying, that's what I have said. Its very much the choice of individuals.They use the cover of who they belong to, that's not "organised crime".
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I like to ride my motorcycle?
If you think bikies and their affiliated gangs are just lovable motor cycle fans then get real.
They are a scourge against society.
Their drug dealing and crime related activities should see them shot.
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Or deported
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Or deported
Lol
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I like to ride my motorcycle?
If you think bikies and their affiliated gangs are just lovable motor cycle fans then get real.
They are a scourge against society.
Their drug dealing and crime related activities should see them shot.
That's good, I am glad you do. So do I.
I am real.
Are you talking about the churches and coppers now with your other comments....
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Wonder where that leaves me then.
With heavy bias
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?).
Just like you're condoning the bikies involved in gang related crimes including but not limited to rape, arson, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads
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Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Probably because you called them members and not supporters :banghead
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Wonder where that leaves me then.
With heavy bias
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?).
Just like you're condoning the bikies involved in gang related crimes including but not limited to rape, arson, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads
My bias maybe just as heavy as it opposed.
"dangerous riding on the roads"......OMFG really, go look at the jap bike riders or old mate riding on a Sunday to see where the dangerous riders are and the stats on deaths on the road. But hey that was a doozy..The rest of it, well like I have said, that is individuals and coppers rape their own everyday, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads is all in the cop MO, as well as intimidation. Oh and no I am not condoning rape, I despise it as many bikies do.
Cmon YR, even you can do better than that rubbish you just dished up or did you cut that from the newspaper after Milperra?
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Wonder where that leaves me then.
With heavy bias
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?).
Just like you're condoning the bikies involved in gang related crimes including but not limited to rape, arson, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads
My bias maybe just as heavy as it opposed.
"dangerous riding on the roads"......OMFG really, go look at the jap bike riders or old mate riding on a Sunday to see where the dangerous riders are and the stats on deaths on the road. But hey that was a doozy..The rest of it, well like I have said, that is individuals and coppers rape their own everyday, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads is all in the cop MO, as well as intimidation. Oh and no I am not condoning rape, I despise it as many bikies do.
Cmon YR, even you can do better than that rubbish you just dished up or did you cut that from the newspaper after Milperra?
So is your point that there needs to be fairness in applying the law, that bikies should only be cleaned up if others (e.g. rogue cops, the church) are.
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
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It's ok to break the law if other people are doing it too.
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I don't mind motorcycle clubs per se.
SOME clubs, however, are heavily into drugs and other crimes. It seems to be their sole purpose of existence. Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So while all organisations have some bad apples, these gangs tend to have a much higher percentage of bad types. Yes, churches have paedophile priests and that is disgusting. However the vast majority devote their lives to helping others. That is the philosophy of their vocation. Bikies don't have the same altruistic philosophy in general and as I haver pointed out, some gangs are out and out into criminal behaviour. Therein lies a HUGE difference.
Very good post. I would still think that by the numbers and percentages and going by the latest VLAD law statistics in QLD where bikes attributed to next to nothing that churches and other organisations have a higher crime rate. Also interesting that not one 1%er was charged or at least convicted under the VLAD laws in QLD in the 3 years they have been in place. By the way, its a club, not a gang.
So are you saying that a Church is more likely to be a source of organised crime that a Bikie Gang? Riiight.
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?). Look at the one involving the Australian Cardinal that had to go to Rome to explain himself, its rife, same as Police corruption. Not all churches are like that, not all church people are like that, not all coppers or police departments are corrupt....not all bike clubs are either. That's what I am saying, that's what I have said. Its very much the choice of individuals.They use the cover of who they belong to, that's not "organised crime".
Where did I say I was condoning pedo related behaviour?
It was a simple question with regard to where you think the most likely source of organised crimes belong - Church or Bikie Gangs, are you prepared to answer that question?
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
Are you a 12 year old boy applying for an altar boy job?
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
Are you a 12 year old boy applying for an altar boy job?
OK. Make it that and wearing an altar boy frock! :lol
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
Are you a 12 year old boy applying for an altar boy job?
OK. Make it that and wearing an altar boy frock! :lol
I think you would be in for some pain in both situations then
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At least the second lot would be able to supply you with something for the pain
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:lol
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At least the second lot would be able to supply you with something for the pain
:lol
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(http://www.tvdads.com/images/akroyd.jpg)
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Wonder where that leaves me then.
With heavy bias
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?).
Just like you're condoning the bikies involved in gang related crimes including but not limited to rape, arson, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads
My bias maybe just as heavy as it opposed.
"dangerous riding on the roads"......OMFG really, go look at the jap bike riders or old mate riding on a Sunday to see where the dangerous riders are and the stats on deaths on the road. But hey that was a doozy..The rest of it, well like I have said, that is individuals and coppers rape their own everyday, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads is all in the cop MO, as well as intimidation. Oh and no I am not condoning rape, I despise it as many bikies do.
Cmon YR, even you can do better than that rubbish you just dished up or did you cut that from the newspaper after Milperra?
So is your point that there needs to be fairness in applying the law, that bikies should only be cleaned up if others (e.g. rogue cops, the church) are.
My point is and I will say it again, its the individuals, not the organisations, clubs or groups that are collectively responsible for crime such as we have discussed. At the end of the day another point is, Shane has done nothing wrong, he does not have a criminal conviction or record, he has been in the country for many years, he owns a legitimate business that has created many jobs and he has been deported because of who he chooses to associate with, in this apparent politically correct, gender unbiased, democratic country of ours.
Dustin Martin has come out in support of his father, as has his brother. They would have been around the club since they were children and I don't see them disadvantaged or corrupted in anyway or controlled by the club or refereed to as scum because they support their father.
How would you feel if one of your relatives or very close friends were deported because they hung out with or were involved with a group they chose to be with? I know a number of bikie related stories that have been in press that are 100% incorrect, but because it sells papers and naive people listen, then it must be true.
Shane should never have been deported and its an indication of where this country is heading.
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I don't mind motorcycle clubs per se.
SOME clubs, however, are heavily into drugs and other crimes. It seems to be their sole purpose of existence. Their members tend to be prone to violence too. I have been the victim of some of this for NO REASON. Just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So while all organisations have some bad apples, these gangs tend to have a much higher percentage of bad types. Yes, churches have paedophile priests and that is disgusting. However the vast majority devote their lives to helping others. That is the philosophy of their vocation. Bikies don't have the same altruistic philosophy in general and as I haver pointed out, some gangs are out and out into criminal behaviour. Therein lies a HUGE difference.
Very good post. I would still think that by the numbers and percentages and going by the latest VLAD law statistics in QLD where bikes attributed to next to nothing that churches and other organisations have a higher crime rate. Also interesting that not one 1%er was charged or at least convicted under the VLAD laws in QLD in the 3 years they have been in place. By the way, its a club, not a gang.
So are you saying that a Church is more likely to be a source of organised crime that a Bikie Gang? Riiight.
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?). Look at the one involving the Australian Cardinal that had to go to Rome to explain himself, its rife, same as Police corruption. Not all churches are like that, not all church people are like that, not all coppers or police departments are corrupt....not all bike clubs are either. That's what I am saying, that's what I have said. Its very much the choice of individuals.They use the cover of who they belong to, that's not "organised crime".
Where did I say I was condoning pedo related behaviour?
It was a simple question with regard to where you think the most likely source of organised crimes belong - Church or Bikie Gangs, are you prepared to answer that question?
Sorry, was my response too detailed. As individuals, church members would be more corrupt than Bikies.
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
Depends how old you are...you are sure as hell in more danger if you walk into the Ballarat Catholic Church as a 6 year old. But if you walk into a bikie club as a 6 year old you would be looked after! Tell me what would have the longer term effect on a 6 year old, walking into a pedophilia Church or bikie club.
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Wonder where that leaves me then.
With heavy bias
Have a look at the involvement..proven involvement of pedophilia rings in the church (are you condoning them, is that what you are saying, right?).
Just like you're condoning the bikies involved in gang related crimes including but not limited to rape, arson, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads
My bias maybe just as heavy as it opposed.
"dangerous riding on the roads"......OMFG really, go look at the jap bike riders or old mate riding on a Sunday to see where the dangerous riders are and the stats on deaths on the road. But hey that was a doozy..The rest of it, well like I have said, that is individuals and coppers rape their own everyday, assault, drug possession/dealing/transporting and dangerous riding on the roads is all in the cop MO, as well as intimidation. Oh and no I am not condoning rape, I despise it as many bikies do.
Cmon YR, even you can do better than that rubbish you just dished up or did you cut that from the newspaper after Milperra?
Just applying the same logic you applied to HRT regarding condoning crimes.
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^^^ another poor attempt. Anyway, I have aired MHO, I just hope he gets back in the country.
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
Depends how old you are...you are sure as hell in more danger if you walk into the Ballarat Catholic Church as a 6 year old. But if you walk into a bikie club as a 6 year old you would be looked after! Tell me what would have the longer term effect on a 6 year old, walking into a pedophilia Church or bikie club.
So you REALLY think that after all the upheaval that has occurred in the Ballarat archdiocese, that a 6 year old is in danger walking into that church? That is amazing. I would stake my life on the fact he would not be touched. The crimes that were committed there occurred decades ago. Bandidos and Coffin Cheaters are still vomiting crimes as we sit here and type.
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So WAT answer this.
I accidentally walk into the Ballarat Catholic church.
I accidentally walk into the Bandido's headquarters.
Are you saying I'm in more danger in the first situation? :huh
Depends how old you are...you are sure as hell in more danger if you walk into the Ballarat Catholic Church as a 6 year old. But if you walk into a bikie club as a 6 year old you would be looked after! Tell me what would have the longer term effect on a 6 year old, walking into a pedophilia Church or bikie club.
So you REALLY think that after all the upheaval that has occurred in the Ballarat archdiocese, that a 6 year old is in danger walking into that church? That is amazing. I would stake my life on the fact he would not be touched. The crimes that were committed there occurred decades ago. Bandidos and Coffin Cheaters are still vomiting crimes as we sit here and type.
Oh sorry, I didn't think we were just talking about the Ballarat church, I thought you were using that as an example. That's good that you have so much faith in the Ballarat church. What about all others???
So you have named two clubs, again very specific, what about all the others? Maybe the Roman Catholic Church and the the local church in your area are vomiting pedo's out the door as we sit here and type.
By the way, what was the "upheaval" about in the Ballarat Church about again??? Please remind me....
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My phone changed committing to vomiting! :lol
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Just for the record, I am not a Catholic. :shh
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My phone changed committing to vomiting! :lol
Well it still made sense. :rollin
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Just for the record, I am not a Catholic. :shh
It wouldn't matter if you were.
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Just for the record, I am not a Catholic. :shh
It wouldn't matter if you were.
It sort of does. It means that you would view things with inherent bias. Unintentional bias of course, but still bias.
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Just for the record, I am not a Catholic. :shh
It wouldn't matter if you were.
It sort of does. It means that you would view things with inherent bias. Unintentional bias of course, but still bias.
Well yeah I suppose it would. I have just tried to demonstrate that it doesn't matter who or what people are involved in there are individuals that make decisions and carry out unlawful acts in every group, club or organisation. That doesn't necessarily mean that the club or organisation is at fault as a whole.
By the way, call me biased if you like.. ;)
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Dustin Martin’s deported dad says he’s no threat to Australia
Herald Sun
December 10, 2016
THE exiled father of Richmond star Dustin Martin says he is not a threat to Australia and will fight all the way to the High Court to return using documents revealing his Aboriginal heritage.
Shane Martin claims he quit the Rebels outlaw motorcycle gang before he was deported in March this year.
The Rebels MC is considered a criminal organisation, with Mr Martin’s association the reason behind Immigration Minister Peter Dutton cancelling his visa.
But Mr Martin, 49, said he wanted to return home to Australia as his lawyer, immigration expert Ray Turner, challenged the validity of his visa cancellation.
“I’m not a threat to Australia, I’ve never been in trouble in my life ... except for trivial things and that was a long time ago,’’ Mr Martin said.
“I’m finished with the Rebels and I have been way before they came and arrested me.”
Asked whether he should be able to return to Sydney while his case heads to court, Mr Martin said he deserved to be with his family.
“Never been to jail … I’ve got history, you know, but it’s not indictable,” he said.
“And plus now I’ve looked up my history, my Aboriginality, not that I’m trying to use that against them (the Government).
“But, you know, they’ve done what they do to try and get rid of me so I’m gonna do what I have to to get back in.’’
His challenge rests on the authenticity of paperwork stating his grandmother was Aboriginal.
Documents assessed by the Aboriginal Sobriety Group trace Mr Martin’s lineage to indigenous Australians from Tasmania. His uncle, Dean Martin, was issued with a document titled: Confirmation of Aboriginality or Torres Strait Islander Descent.
Mr Martin, who lived in Australia for 29 years before he was deported, said people tended to have little empathy for his plight.
But he said his relationship with his three sons — including Dustin — and two young stepdaughters was critical.
“Everyone thinks because Dustin’s older, and my other sons are older, that you cut the apron strings. But they’re my kids, they’re for life.’’
Mr Turner said a challenge to the Immigration Act could set a precedent in Constitutional law. It is the first case in which a man who has been deported from Australia has claimed Aboriginal ancestry.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/dustin-martins-deported-dad-says-hes-no-threat-to-australia/news-story/ab32f964ed95bcebd670d08a7164b23d
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/mark-easter-rebel-bikies-killers-didnt-know-council-cameras-were-filming-their-every-move/news-story/63ad6b0ace24377fa5f8fedcdb4a2445
I suppose WAT will say its Ok because they didn't defile the bodies
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/mark-easter-rebel-bikies-killers-didnt-know-council-cameras-were-filming-their-every-move/news-story/63ad6b0ace24377fa5f8fedcdb4a2445
I suppose WAT will say its Ok because they didn't defile the bodies
Nah he'll just mash the 'Report' button again.
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Want to start posting links about cop stories?????? Will be a lot more!!!!
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Oh OK well that makes it all right then
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Oh OK well that makes it all right then
No, never said that.
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Oh OK well that makes it all right then
No, never said that.
Thought it though didnt ya.
Really??? Pathetic response.
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The problem with your logic regarding this topic WAT, is that you always bring examples of things you deem worse e.g. Catholic Church, police etc.
It's like saying the guy who raped someone and then stole all their belongings is sort of OK because there are others that commit murder out there.
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The problem with your logic regarding this topic WAT, is that you always bring examples of things you deem worse e.g. Catholic Church, police etc.
It's like saying the guy who raped someone and then stole all their belongings is sort of OK because there are others that commit murder out there.
Well that's because apparently bikies are the scum of the earth. We all compare, no matter what it is, we compare teams, players, clubs and the rest. I am not condoning any of it, the unlawful acts. But when people single out bikies then comparisons can be made.
In QLD they have just banned the wearing of colours, but muslims can still wear their burqas, inside of banks for that matter. Where is the fairness there?
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oh its just so unfair. what a shame you cant hit the "repost post" button and all this unfairness would be gone?
When your best defence is that there are others that do the same or worse....well.....
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SNIP :banghead
For the record
No one reported anything or anyone
Posts had gone off track with personal fueds, petty baiting yet again taking over
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>:(
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The Hadfields and McCoys at it agin boss?
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
:clapping
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
You have already followed the post with a happy clapper emoji, no need to further follow it up
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
Hmmm nope never put myself out there as being a bikie
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
Hmmm nope never put myself out there as being a bikie
Couldn't hack it. ;D
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
Hmmm nope never put myself out there as being a bikie
Couldn't hack it. ;D
Hmmm not sure, never tried it
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
Hmmm nope never put myself out there as being a bikie
Couldn't hack it. ;D
Hmmm not sure, never tried it
Hmmm, maybe you should.
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
Hmmm nope never put myself out there as being a bikie
Couldn't hack it. ;D
Hmmm not sure, never tried it
Hmmm, maybe you should.
OK I may go beat up some people and run some drugs over the Xmas break then
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Get lives
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Bias aside,
Its actually quite disgusting the treatment of Shane Martin.
When we talk about having 'terroism' monitoring and divisions to stop terroism before it happens and deport nobody, yet we deport Shane Martin cause he has friends who have criminal records.
We release criminals on bail to walk the street and reoffend time and time again. What a waste of time the whole Martin saga has been. Put bottom dollar on it if Shane Martin wasn't Dusty's Dad he'd be untouched. Media and Law PR rubbish.
While I agree with your sentiment, you are again pumping up one bad apple (some bad bikie gangs) because other bad apples are far worse. These are all independent. We should be fixing ALL of these problems.
Very fair and unbiased post from TL.......oh by the way, its Clubs... :thumbsup
While the good ones are Clubs, the bad ones are just out and out gangs. Gangs of thugs that instil fear and run drug trafficking.
Gangs are the ones without bikes.. ;D
What are the wannabee pretender ones called?
Chucks.
Hmmm nope never put myself out there as being a bikie
Couldn't hack it. ;D
Hmmm not sure, never tried it
Hmmm, maybe you should.
OK I may go beat up some people and run some drugs over the Xmas break then
Now why would you do that, that's illegal. Just get a bike and go for a ride, hire a Harley.
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
Are you applauding the police now?
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
Are you applauding the police now?
They did what they should be doing, likewise in the WA seriel killer case. Thats what their job is, its not chasing innocent bikies.. :snidegrin
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
Are you applauding the police now?
They did what they should be doing, likewise in the WA seriel killer case. Thats what their job is, its not chasing innocent bikies.. :snidegrin
What about guilty bikies?
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
Are you applauding the police now?
They did what they should be doing, likewise in the WA seriel killer case. Thats what their job is, its not chasing innocent bikies.. :snidegrin
What about guilty bikies?
Well from what I gather there aren't any.
However there are plenty of religious pedos, mad Muslim extremist terriorists and more crooked police than kangaroos in Aust
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:lol
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
Are you applauding the police now?
They did what they should be doing, likewise in the WA seriel killer case. Thats what their job is, its not chasing innocent bikies.. :snidegrin
What about guilty bikies?
Then they should get charged accordingly, but that doesn't happen. Bikies get worse sentences.
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Bikies R the least of this country's issues, Ffs.
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Bikies R the least of this country's issues, Ffs.
:thumbsup
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Dusty prepares for 2017:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-12-28/martin-prepares-for-2017
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Going to make his last year with us a big one! :clapping
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It's Dusty Day on Fox Footy today, thorugh to midnight
All Dusty's best games.
:thumbsup
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
There might not be many motorcyclists left at this rate:-
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/reckless-motorcycle-riders-pushing-toll/news-story/ed8fec2ada26fb6cfa8bee2b100f650d
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It's Dusty Day on Fox Footy today, thorugh to midnight
All Dusty's best games.
:thumbsup
Don't Argue Day :gotigers
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
There might not be many motorcyclists left at this rate:-
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/reckless-motorcycle-riders-pushing-toll/news-story/ed8fec2ada26fb6cfa8bee2b100f650d
Was going to do the same yesterday with all the cop stories in the papers, but my posts would have been removed, only the mates posts stay.
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Nice, great Australians, better than the bikies being deported.... :help
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/police-raids-in-melbournes-northern-suburbs/news-story/42a0b1a83582da5bf422fdcd176ac06c
There might not be many motorcyclists left at this rate:-
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/reckless-motorcycle-riders-pushing-toll/news-story/ed8fec2ada26fb6cfa8bee2b100f650d
Was going to do the same yesterday with all the cop stories in the papers, but my posts would have been removed, only the mates posts stay.
:huh
We all support Richmond here. We are all mates as far as im concerned
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:huh
We all support Richmond here. We are all mates as far as im concerned
You are one deluded dude.
:lol
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:huh
We all support Richmond here. We are all mates as far as im concerned
You are one deluded dude.
:lol
Well, it's one thing we all have in common even if we think another site member is a bit of a douchebag.
And that's one step better than your typical street douchebag.
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The Herald-Sun's New Year resolutions for Dusty ...
I WILL BE NICER TO THE UMPIRES
The next worst offender [after Mumford] was Richmond midfield star Dustin Martin, who gave away 46 free kicks for the year.
I WILL CUT BACK MY CLANGERS
Few things frustrate coaches more than clangers. Whether it is missing an open target inside 50, handballing directly to the opposition or dropping an easy mark, more often than not a clanger will result in a score the other way.
So who needs to be a little bit cleaner with the football in 2017?
Dustin Martin gets another mention here. Dusty is a ball-winning machine and roared into Brownlow Medal contention last season. But the midfielder can also cough it up.
Dusty committed a league-high 113 clangers in 2016. He attempts harder kicks than most players but it’s a worry that his toughest days came against the elite teams in the league; Martin had nine clangers against the Western Bulldogs in Round 16 and another nine against Geelong in Round 21. His 18 ineffective kicks in Round 17 against Essendon is the highest tally ever.
Martin was one of only four players to break the triple-figure clanger barrier for the season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/what-are-the-most-important-new-years-resolutions-afl-players-should-be-making-for-2017/news-story/5554b2ee8115becf95f5bd2a016148a5
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Pretty hard carrying the team and admittedly he is usually puffed from covering the ground and usually has to dispose of the ball under pressure. At the end of the day I would take Martin sending it inside 50 more so than many other mids we have
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Has the ability to hit those dangerous kicks so at least he gives it a shot. Sure it'd be nice if he didn't have as many clangers but it's probably hard when no one in the team is moving for you to make the kick easier. Then you have people like Conca who can't hit a simple 10m kick
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Free kicks against count as clangers don't they?
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Returned to training for the first time in his career in good shape.
Is set for a big year... :shh
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Returned to training for the first time in his career in good shape.
And back to the forward line he goes
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Returned to training for the first time in his career in good shape.
And back to the forward line he goes
No. He watches the ball as he drops it onto his foot, not forward line material I am afraid.
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Returned to training for the first time in his career in good shape.
And back to the forward line he goes
No. He watches the ball as he drops it onto his foot, not forward line material I am afraid.
Must be why he got all dem turnovers
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Decision made on Dusty’s deported dad
Annika Smethurst, National politics reporter,
Herald Sun
7 January 2017
THE deported bikie dad of AFL star Dustin Martin, who wanted to return to Australia because he believed he was of Aboriginal descent, has had his claim rejected.
In March, Shane Martin, 49, was one of 81 bikie gang members or associates to have their visas cancelled by Immigration Minister Peter Dutton as part of a crackdown by the Federal Government.
Despite living in Australia for the past 20 years, Mr Martin was booted back to New Zealand, leaving his family to battle authorities and have the deportation order overturned.
Late last year, Mr Martin’s case was given a boost when he heard of his Aboriginal heritage while staying with his uncle in New Zealand.
The Richmond star’s dad took his claim to the Aboriginal Sobriety Group — a community organisation that provides support to Aboriginal people — which approved the claim. Mr Martin signed forms confirming he identified as being Aboriginal, known to the Ngarrindjeri Aboriginal group, and was issued with a “confirmation of Aboriginality or Torres Strait Islander descent” from the board.
Mr Martin had hoped to use the confirmation to appeal his deportation and seek citizenship.
But the Herald Sun can reveal the three-member board overturned its decision, pouring cold water on his bid to return to Australia.
The group said there are three parts to confirming Aboriginality: being of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Island descent, identifying as an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Island person and being accepted as such by the community.
It is not certain which criteria Mr Martin failed to meet.
ASG board members did not return calls yesterday.
The Herald Sun has seen evidence confirming the board’s decision, which also revokes a claim of Aboriginality by Dustin Martin’s uncle, Dean.
The latest news will come as a blow to the Martin family, particularly Tigers star Dustin, who has spoken of the difficulty of playing AFL without his dad on the sidelines.
Mr Dutton’s office declined to comment on the case.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/decision-made-on-whether-dusty-martins-deported-dad-can-return-to-australia/news-story/77ab8a7a90dfce307116de78156276d3
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Sometimes, U just gotta wear it.
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Surely some RFC fan can marry Dustys old man for some decent signed memorabilia and get him back into the country for a few years.
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Bikie busting laws set to be rushed through parliament.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/bikie-busting-gun-trafficking-laws-will-be-pushed-through-parliament-federal-government-claims/news-story/25ffd5c6acbd8faeedc8124d9019f2bb
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Hey so do we finally have a good Aboriginal player to flaunt during Dream time?
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Words can't express how much Hardwick is about to ruin this man.
He is entering his peak and just finished top 3 in the Brownlow after not polling well at the start of the year. Brownlow potential but now Hardwick wants to move him back forward again. Hardwick must have been pooting his pants when he started going up the leaderboard. How dare a player stand out from the group? No no they all most be a group of drones, no one stand out, no one be better than anyone else.
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AFL star's father gets Aboriginal certificate
skynews.com.au
18 January 2017
The deported father of AFL star Dustin Martin has been issued with a second certificate of Aboriginality.
Richmond Tigers AFL star Dustin Martin has been issued with a certificate of Aboriginality as part of a renewed bid for his father to be allowed to return home to Australia.
Dustin Martin's father Shane was born in New Zealand to New Zealand parents, but spent most of his adult life in Australia.
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton cancelled his Australian visa last year under section 501 of the Immigration Act, over links to the Rebels motorcycle gang.
In a fresh push to have the decision revoked, he has been given new documents identifying him as having indigenous heritage, from Aboriginal Corporation Tasmania.
'We've researched Shane Martin's family tree, and we've issued him with three documents,' said the director of the Aboriginal Corporation Tasmania, Lance LeSage.
'One is called an Organisation Resolution, that's under common seal, signed by myself an Aboriginal elder, and Peter Barnes who is also an Aboriginal elder. There's also an Aboriginal elders' statement that is signed by two Aboriginal elders, and there is a certificate which is ornate, that is also under common seal.'
(http://wa3.www.skynews.com.au/content/dam/skynews/images/jod_pic_1_1024.jpg;pv11fa705bc4becb01)
The documents say Aboriginal Corporation Tasmania has passed a resolution that Shane Martin is:
1. Of Aboriginal Descent,
2. Identifies as Aboriginal,
3. Is recognised and accepted as an Aboriginal person by the Manegin Aboriginal Community.'
These are the three pre-requisites, required by law, to classify someone as being an Aboriginal.
Shane Martin's Aboriginality was 'based on recorded data of Births Deaths and Marriages Registry records and Traditional Aboriginal Oral Evidence,' the documents say.
(http://wa3.www.skynews.com.au/content/dam/skynews/images/jod_pic_2_1024.jpg;pv1c15b4bde8794ff5)
The claim to Aboriginal heritage goes back to Mr Martin's great grandmother - who Shane Martin says was an Indigenous Australian, from Tasmania.
Now his three sons have also received documents identifying them as Aboriginal.
Aboriginal Corporation Tasmania has issued confirmation of Aboriginality documents to Richmond AFL player Dustin, former soldier Brendon, and Tyson Martin.
(http://wa1.www.skynews.com.au/content/dam/skynews/images/jod_pic_3_1024.jpg;pved01c969224a4b68)
Lance LeSage says these documents strengthen the case to allow Shane Martin back into Australia.
'I would hereby like to launch a 'Save Shane' campaign in an effort to get Shane brought back to Australia, to where he should be with his wife and children,' he said.
Documents identifying a person as Aboriginal can be issued by any number of community organisations around the country.
But one of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's top indigenous advisors, Warren Mundine, thinks they are too easy to get and a higher standard of evidence is needed.
'You just need to get an Aboriginal community to sign off the confirmation of Aboriginality and Bob's your uncle, off you can go,' he said.
He also thinks the process is hindered by politics.
'There's always been complaints about it for a number of years.'
Mr Mundine, a member of the Prime Minister's Indigenous Advisory Council, thinks all claims of Aboriginality should be examined through the same process as Native Title applications.
'In that, you have to prove your Aboriginality not just by having an Aboriginal community organisation sign off on you, you actually have to go through a whole entire process proving your descent, proving your connection to country, proving your connection to the original inhabitants of that country.'
Mr Mundine thinks Aboriginality should only be conferred on people by their tribal nation.
'This idea that you can go to Tasmania, then go to Western Australia, then go to Darwin looking for your Aboriginality is quite bizarre. Your Aboriginality comes from your first nation, from your tribal nation, and that's where it should be based.'
The certificates from Aboriginal Corporation Tasmania are the second set of documents identifying Shane Martin as having Aboriginal heritage.
Sky News first revealed Shane Martin was claiming Indigenous ancestry in a bid to be let back into Australia last year, when the Adelaide-based Aboriginal Sobriety Group issued him with a similar 'Confirmation of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander Descent' document.
However, the Aboriginal Sobriety Group revoked that document days after it was made public.
Lance LeSage thinks it revoked the documents under pressure from the government.
'I've never known of a certificate of Aboriginality to be ever revoked before,' he said.
'I think there was some skullduggery behind the scenes, that is my personal opinion.'
Former executive of the Aboriginal Sobriety Group, Basil Sumner, shares that opinion.
He is the man who first took Shane Martin's case to the current board.
Mr Sumner claims the documents were revoked after CEO Joe Silvestri received a phone call from the South Australian government.
'They sort of just buckled and cancelled the papers for Dean and Shane and his family,' he said.
He believes Joe Silvestri told the board there was a potential threat to the group if they did not revoke the certificates.
'He got a phone call from the Department of Aboriginal Affairs in Adelaide here. I'm not too sure what the threat (was)... I think the threat he took was just a phone call,' he said.
A spokesperson for SA Aboriginal Affairs Minister Kyam Maher says no-one from his office discussed the documents with the Aboriginal Sobriety Group.
'Nobody from the Office of the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Reconciliation has spoken with Gary Paynter or Joe Silvestri from the Aboriginal Sobriety Group regarding documents issued to Shane and Dean Martin,' the spokesperson said.
The spokesperson confirmed a phone call was made, but says it was general in nature.
'After the minister's office sought information from the Department of State Development to inform a response to questions from Sky News NZ, the department contacted the Group for the purpose of gathering information only about the nature of the organisation.
'Confirmation of Aboriginality is a matter for individuals and the Aboriginal community. The state government has no role in deciding who communities recognise.'
Joe Silvestri did not return phone calls.
Aboriginal Sobriety Group Chairman Gary Paynter was also party to the decision. He refused to explain why the documents were revoked.
Immigration Minister Peter Dutton's office could not be reached for comment on Sunday night.
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/01/16/afl-star-s-father-gets-aboriginal-certificate.html
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2fupRmVEAAMT39.jpg)
"This is what u won't see in the media dusty taking some time out of his day to visit a sick kid what a star on and off the field #gotiges"
https://twitter.com/TheTigerArmyAFL/status/821887857790881793
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Well this will now get even more interesting, how can they (Dutton the great) kick someone out of their own country with heritage links to the original owners of the country ....this Dutton, what a $%^& head. LMFAO
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Happy Invasion day.
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LMAO @ australia being his own country when he born overseas to citizens of another country.
This acceptance of his superposed aboriginality would not be so strong if he was using it for land rights or to get money
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LMAO @ australia being his own country when he born overseas to citizens of another country.
This acceptance of his superposed aboriginality would not be so strong if he was using it for land rights or to get money
That will be phase 2.
The Maoris have only been in NZ for @ 1000 years.
They ate their way through the NZ aborigines, the Morioris.
Not saying Mr Martin has this agenda but if the Maoris get a toehold in Australia through this loophole and with their slick Ivy League lawyers who are well versed in Land Rights, then watch out Australia.!!
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I wonder how things would've turned out had the Moari decided to steer their canoes westward...
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I wonder how things would've turned out had the Moari decided to steer their canoes westward...
A very good question
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I wonder how things would've turned out had the Moari decided to steer their canoes westward...
A very good question
Yeah bro...
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SAME OLD STORY
WHERE Dustin Martin looks like a fish out of water in a press conference, he is a shark on the field.
Richmond’s marquee man, out of contract at seasons end, put a controversial week behind him with another dominant display where it counts most.
Martin caught fire in the second half against Collingwood, roaming far and wide to ensure his side wasn’t blown off the map.
He kicked three goals after half-time and finished with a game-high six clearances and a handful of inside 50s.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-take-fans-on-preseason-rollercoaster-in-jlt-series-loss-to-collingwood/news-story/f7d9d75009a856d0fc601e90f77fb034
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Still not good enough for old crackle dacks Gerard Healy, the biggest Richmond hater going around
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Still not good enough for old crackle dacks Gerard Healy, the biggest Richmond hater going around
His first half yesterday was dreadful. Too much of his good clearance work is wasted when he throws it on the boot blindly.
Trite to say but he looks so much better in the front half of the ground.
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Still not good enough for old crackle dacks Gerard Healy, the biggest Richmond hater going around
His first half yesterday was dreadful. Too much of his good clearance work is wasted when he throws it on the boot blindly.
Trite to say but he looks so much better in the front half of the ground.
This :clapping
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Yeah thought he was mostly poor. Like the good player he is though he turned it around
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Still not good enough for old crackle dacks Gerard Healy, the biggest Richmond hater going around
His first half yesterday was dreadful. Too much of his good clearance work is wasted when he throws it on the boot blindly.
Trite to say but he looks so much better in the front half of the ground.
Lots of players threw the ball blindly to boot. If I didn't know better, I'd say that it was a coaching thing
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Please stay fit: Your club's most crucial player
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
12 April 2017
The Tigers may have increased their midfield depth and ability to cover injuries there if need be, but Dustin Martin is in a different class.
Damien Hardwick's willingness to send him forward for periods and isolate him 25m ahead of the ball has been a feature of the Tigers' play and an element they can't afford to lose.
Martin has won 22 per cent of his possessions inside 50 this year, compared to eight per cent in 2016.
He has also been involved in 35.4 per cent of Richmond's scores this season (ranked No.1 at the club).
He hasn't lost a one-on-one contest, neutralising them at worst, and he is averaging a career-best 32.7 possessions (No.4 in the AFL), despite his increased time forward.
The Tigers might be able to cover him in the midfield and get by, but they can't forward of centre.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-12/please-stay-healthy-your-clubs-most-crucial-player
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Seen it at least three times tonight in that Dusty is putting no defensive pressure on whatsoever, is slowly jogging along behind them
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No one is, our defensive running is pathetic tonight
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Trouble is Astbury has a couple of good games and then goes back to being pathetic
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Seen it at least three times tonight in that Dusty is putting no defensive pressure on whatsoever, is slowly jogging along behind them
Looked shocking at some points.
Don't get me wrong he was huge in the end but the way he stands off contests once the ball has gone past is pathetic.
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Seen it at least three times tonight in that Dusty is putting no defensive pressure on whatsoever, is slowly jogging along behind them
Looked shocking at some points.
Don't get me wrong he was huge in the end but the way he stands off contests once the ball has gone past is pathetic.
Looked like a bloke with a sore groin.
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Laid 6 tackles tonight, wasn't all bad.
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Laid 6 tackles tonight, wasn't all bad.
Was huge in the last quarter.
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Dusty might as well sign the contract today
Wasn't going anywhere 5 weeks ago
The look on his face last night , he is a tiger for life
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Seen it at least three times tonight in that Dusty is putting no defensive pressure on whatsoever, is slowly jogging along behind them
Looked shocking at some points.
Don't get me wrong he was huge in the end but the way he stands off contests once the ball has gone past is pathetic.
Looked like a bloke with a sore groin.
Yep. Definitely not moving like he was in the first 3 rounds.
Continues on with his tackles for too long as well trying to bury opponents. Thought he was lucky not to give away a couple frees last night.
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Seen it at least three times tonight in that Dusty is putting no defensive pressure on whatsoever, is slowly jogging along behind them
Looked shocking at some points.
Don't get me wrong he was huge in the end but the way he stands off contests once the ball has gone past is pathetic.
Looked like a bloke with a sore groin.
Yep. Definitely not moving like he was in the first 3 rounds.
Continues on with his tackles for too long as well trying to bury opponents. Thought he was lucky not to give away a couple frees last night.
On one hand talking up Houli, and on the other bagging Martin.
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Martin clearly on par with Rance as our best players.
Must keep.
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Martin clearly on par with Rance as our best players.
Must keep.
That must put him above criticism right?
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Martin clearly on par with Rance as our best players.
Must keep.
That must put him above criticism right?
Apparently so
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Dusty might as well sign the contract today
Wasn't going anywhere 5 weeks ago
The look on his face last night , he is a tiger for life
My thoughts as well, looked over the moon. Can't possibly see him leaving for $100k/year after tax...
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Hardwick tips top Dusty response
richmondfc.com.au
5 May 2017
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has refuted suggestions that star Tiger midfielder Dustin Martin’s form has tapered off slightly because he’s still nursing a groin injury.
Martin was in dominant form throughout the opening four rounds of the season, but hasn’t been quite as influential since it was revealed he had a minor groin complaint leading into the Round 5 Anzac Day Eve clash with Melbourne.
Hardwick, however, believes Martin is ready to rebound strongly in this Saturday night’s encounter with Western Bulldogs under the Etihad Stadium roof.
“That groin was probably a one-week thing,” Hardwick said.
“We’ve got incredibly high standards of Dustin . . .
“I think if we look at his game (v Adelaide last Sunday), if that was someone else, it’d still be a pretty good game,” Hardwick said.
“Was he as vibrant as he could have been? Probably not . . . off a six-day break (playing) interstate.
“His standards are so high and our level of expectation as a footy club and from a media perspective, are very high as well.
“He’s probably been a little bit off his best, but he’s still contributed, there’s no doubt about that . . .
“He prepares really well, and we’re really confident he’ll have a great game this week.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-05-05/hardwick-tips-top-dusty-response
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Against Melbourne he was awesome. WTF is he on about?
32 and 6 tackles is very good in anyone's language.
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Against Melbourne he was awesome. WTF is he on about?
32 and 6 tackles is very good in anyone's language.
Disposal efficiency was the knock. I think he went at 38%
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He was also very ordinary chasing Melbourne players. Was a couple of steps away from the opposition and didn't even run to pressure on more than one occasion....
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Will tear the Bont to shreds if they go head to head. In Dusty we Trust
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Will tear the Bont to shreds if they go head to head. In Dusty we Trust
Thats what id do too
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He was also very ordinary chasing Melbourne players. Was a couple of steps away from the opposition and didn't even run to pressure on more than one occasion....
Pretty standard
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He was also very ordinary chasing Melbourne players. Was a couple of steps away from the opposition and didn't even run to pressure on more than one occasion....
You could say that about most players at some stage in every game.
6 tackles tells me he was having a pretty decent dip defensively.
Add that to him not being 100% fit that night and he was awesome imo.
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He was also very ordinary chasing Melbourne players. Was a couple of steps away from the opposition and didn't even run to pressure on more than one occasion....
You could say that about most players at some stage in every game.
6 tackles tells me he was having a pretty decent dip defensively.
Add that to him not being 100% fit that night and he was awesome imo.
No. Unless you were there and it happened in front of your eyes you wouldn't say this. It was extremely poor to see him put zero defensive effort in those situations. The group I was with agreed that he must be injured to look so lame. However he came out in the last quarter like a different player when he was in an attacking mode. We can't afford any of our players to be so poor defensively. If he is not fit, rest him. If he is fit, he must up his defensive efforts.
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He was also very ordinary chasing Melbourne players. Was a couple of steps away from the opposition and didn't even run to pressure on more than one occasion....
You could say that about most players at some stage in every game.
6 tackles tells me he was having a pretty decent dip defensively.
Add that to him not being 100% fit that night and he was awesome imo.
No. Unless you were there and it happened in front of your eyes you wouldn't say this. It was extremely poor to see him put zero defensive effort in those situations. The group I was with agreed that he must be injured to look so lame. However he came out in the last quarter like a different player when he was in an attacking mode. We can't afford any of our players to be so poor defensively. If he is not fit, rest him. If he is fit, he must up his defensive efforts.
I was there.
And like I said you can pick lazy efforts from any player if you look hard enough. Even the greats have lazy moments and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Martin wasn't 100% in that game and maybe he decide which efforts were worth potentially making it worse. Have you got a problem with someone of his caliber making that call if he isn't 100% fit?
Overall has was very good that night and was instrumental in us winning that game, don't let a few lazy efforts take away from that fact.
If Dusty doesn't play that night, we don't win.
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Agree BT, think we can sometimes get too picky - guy is a superstar and doesnt deserve to have every error scrutinized.
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I also noticed that he failed to put pressure on a few times in the Dees game. As in, even less defensive pressure than he usual exerts. Looked hampered by something. Still played well on balance though.
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Never said he didn't play well. He ended up being one of our best and won the game for us. However, that was against a team that was two men down and disadvantaged. We need him playing well and defending against top sides not just thumping minnows. And I love Dusty. Just needs to bring defence and well as offence sometimes....
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His kicking was off tonight. For goal and inside 50s. An ok performance but we expect more from Dusty
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His kicking was off tonight. For goal and inside 50s. An ok performance but we expect more from Dusty
Yep. It's been off for a few weeks. He had a game high 7 clangers tonight. I wonder if that groin injury is hampering him more than is being lead on.
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I thought he was influential tonight. For mine didnt look hampered by the groin and seemed to be moving freely again after looking noticeably ginger the previous 2 weeks.
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That effort on the outer wing was as elite contested play you'll see. Must do his head in seeing some of his opponents shirk contests sometimes.
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That effort on the outer wing was as elite contested play you'll see. Must do his head in seeing some of his opponents shirk contests sometimes.
My penis did move when I saw that play. I thought that maybe we would be home. I agree that was an amazing passage from him
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I thought he was influential tonight. For mine didnt look hampered by the groin and seemed to be moving freely again after looking noticeably ginger the previous 2 weeks.
Fair enough, TM. He did have 28 possies and kicked 2 goals. Perhaps I'm a harsh judge. I just think Dusty's disposal at times in the last few rounds has been ordinary. Missing too many getable targets that have resulted in missed opportunities and/or turnovers (obviously he's not robinson crusoe there at Richmond). He had 4 ineffective kicks in the 3rd qtr tonight and his kicking for goal was off. IMHO, Dusty has dropped away a bit from the eliteness of the first 3 rounds.
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That miss in the last qtr was costly, so costly
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Think Dusty can be given some slack, 28 touches and 2 goals. More mistakes than we would like. Take Dusty out and we lose by 5 goals tonight IMO.
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When you get it as many times as Dusty does and in close like and under pressure like Dusty does, there is going to be some missed targets and even some missed goal due to fatigue.
I seriously don't get people that want to pick out 3 missed kicks from 100 minutes of footy from a guy that nearly wins you the game every week. Same goes for Rance, Jack and Cotch. It's the other meatheads in our side that do 5 good things and then do 6 stupid things for the game that need scrutinising imo. The Houli's, Astbury's and of course the BEllis'.
If I were those 4 I'd lose my poo playing for this side.
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Why doesn't he shoot for goal beyond 30 metres anymore?
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Why doesn't he shoot for goal beyond 30 metres anymore?
Good question :clapping
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If he goes I hope it's to GWS....demand Taranto & one of Whitfield or Hopper...or we could just gazump North and swap him for Kelly...we'd have the money... :shh
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If he goes I hope it's to GWS....demand Taranto & one of Whitfield or Hopper...or we could just gazump North and swap him for Kelly...we'd have the money... :shh
No to Hopper. No freakin way
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Why doesn't he shoot for goal beyond 30 metres anymore?
Good question :clapping
Don't worry.
Dimmer has a plan. :shh
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Just throwing it out there. St Kilda and Melbourne would seem to be the the best fit for Dusty if he goes. What would it take to get the deal done eg. St Kilda's - Hawthorn 1st round pick plus their 1st round pick or Mc Cartin?. That would give us 3 or 4, 1st round picks in this year's draft.
Add that to Naish coming in for our 3rd rounder and we have an opportunity to set us up for years to come.
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Just throwing it out there. St Kilda and Melbourne would seem to be the the best fit for Dusty if he goes. What would it take to get the deal done eg. St Kilda's - Hawthorn 1st round pick plus their 1st round pick or Mc Cartin?. That would give us 3 or 4, 1st round picks in this year's draft.
Add that to Naish coming in for our 3rd rounder and we have an opportunity to set us up for years to come.
That's assuming either of those teams want to go down the trade path.
They could just throw us to the wolves and let the AFL decide the compensation ::)
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Just throwing it out there. St Kilda and Melbourne would seem to be the the best fit for Dusty if he goes. What would it take to get the deal done eg. St Kilda's - Hawthorn 1st round pick plus their 1st round pick or Mc Cartin?. That would give us 3 or 4, 1st round picks in this year's draft.
Add that to Naish coming in for our 3rd rounder and we have an opportunity to set us up for years to come.
That's assuming either of those teams want to go down the trade path.
They could just throw us to the wolves and let the AFL decide the compensation ::)
he is a restricted free agent, we can & would match
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Just throwing it out there. St Kilda and Melbourne would seem to be the the best fit for Dusty if he goes. What would it take to get the deal done eg. St Kilda's - Hawthorn 1st round pick plus their 1st round pick or Mc Cartin?. That would give us 3 or 4, 1st round picks in this year's draft.
Add that to Naish coming in for our 3rd rounder and we have an opportunity to set us up for years to come.
That's assuming either of those teams want to go down the trade path.
They could just throw us to the wolves and let the AFL decide the compensation ::)
he is a restricted free agent, we can & would match
I agree, the only way we would lose him is if he really wanted to go, then we don't have much choice.
This would bring a trade into play and as Ruanaidh suggests two first round picks are defiantly a possibility
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A player who shall remain nameless told me yesterday @ the Player Sponsor function that Dusty is staying
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A player who shall remain nameless told me yesterday @ the Player Sponsor function that Dusty is staying
I hope that is true.
He is worth more to our club than 2 first round picks.
He is an out and out star
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The marquee match-up
Richmond's Dustin Martin is a more damaging player than Fremantle's Nathan Fyfe. Although both played wide of each other and had an influence on the game, Martin has a piercing kick that can dismantle defences in an instant. Fyfe is dangerous up forward and can win a hard football just like Martin, but his kicking hasn't got Martin's penetration. The Richmond star was dynamic in the thrilling last quarter, and it wasn't his fault that the Tigers fell agonisingly short.
Source: AFL website (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-14/five-talking-points-richmond-v-fremantle)
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BUYER beware.
Dustin Martin will supposedly be wooed by clubs across the land when the Richmond star becomes a free agent at season’s end.
Such was Martin’s blazing start to the year, a lofty $1 million a year price tag was deemed necessary to lure him to a new workplace.
But potential employers should know that there’s something missing from Dusty’s CV — he can’t handle the tag.
As surprising as it sounds, the Tigers’ tattooed wrecking ball struggles to maintain the rage when the run-with heat comes on.
Using the criteria for a tag of at least 50 minutes against a direct opponent, we have analysed five years of data to split the victims from the survivors. Players also needed to be tagged a minimum of six times to feature.
Martin’s SuperCoach points average plummets from 102.5 to 70.3 (-32.2 points) when he’s been sat on. Incredibly, that’s only happened six times and not since Round 22 last year when St Kilda’s Seb Ross limited him to 82 points.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/in-a-stats-special-we-reveal-the-victims-and-survivors-of-footys-dark-arts-tagging/news-story/cdb045084d2ab0a7d2bf5b3f08f219d8
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More of those articles please. :shh
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Just throwing it out there. St Kilda and Melbourne would seem to be the the best fit for Dusty if he goes. What would it take to get the deal done eg. St Kilda's - Hawthorn 1st round pick plus their 1st round pick or Mc Cartin?. That would give us 3 or 4, 1st round picks in this year's draft.
Add that to Naish coming in for our 3rd rounder and we have an opportunity to set us up for years to come.
Honestly, if we're going down that path why not trade Rance, Jack and Cotchin too?
Rance alone should be worth two early first round picks, and Cotchin + Jack easily worth early 1st + 2nd round picks each. Dusty clearly worth two early first round picks.
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Just throwing it out there. St Kilda and Melbourne would seem to be the the best fit for Dusty if he goes. What would it take to get the deal done eg. St Kilda's - Hawthorn 1st round pick plus their 1st round pick or Mc Cartin?. That would give us 3 or 4, 1st round picks in this year's draft.
Add that to Naish coming in for our 3rd rounder and we have an opportunity to set us up for years to come.
Honestly, if we're going down that path why not trade Rance, Jack and Cotchin too?
Rance alone should be worth two early first round picks, and Cotchin + Jack easily worth early 1st + 2nd round picks each. Dusty clearly worth two early first round picks.
yes lets go down that path and keep the coach and the fools around him like hartley and jackson. Seems the right way of going about it to me. :gotigers
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Here are the other wacky stats from Round 15.
1. Dustin Martin had seven broken tackles against Port Adelaide – the second most ever by a player.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia/news-story/7e7ffd77d101767a76f71e326a65e4c1
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They said before that he broke eight tackles and it was the record.
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They said before that he broke eight tackles and it was the record.
x2
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From Robbo's "likes" column:
WE BETTER TALK ABOUT DUSTY
Had 40 disposals and was sloppier than usual, on a day that Richmond were sloppy if not arrogant with the way they went about it. Martin will probably get another three votes, although Trent Cotchin was enormous and Dion Prestia tagged Zorko out of the game. Martin’s third quarter was a masterclass and you wonder how a single player can have 15 disposals, six contested disposals, five clearances, three inside-50s and a goal in one quarter. Then again, Tom Mitchell had 18 against the Cats in the first quarter on Saturday. It is an era which will be remembered as being dominated by “18-man defence’’.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinson-looks-at-round-17s-highlights-and-lowlights/news-story/6deb2bceafbe95164bac923ca33e2f8f
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I wish I could break you Fatman
Go have another ciggy champ
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I wish I could break you Fatman
Go have another ciggy champ
He quit.
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I wish I could break you Fatman
Go have another ciggy champ
He quit.
Smoking that is.
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good on him, smoking is bad for you
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good on him, smoking is bad for you
And others
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Dusty now ahead of Dangerfield in the AFL Coaches' votes Award:
AFLCA LEADERBOARD
92 Dustin Martin (Rich)
91 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
62 Rory Sloane (Adel)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
59 Joel Selwood (Geel)
58 Sebastian Ross (StK)
57 Elliot Yeo (WC)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-24/aflca-votes-round-18-superstar-snatches-lead
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Dusty had extended his lead in the AFL Coaches Award:
AFLCA LEADERBOARD
101 Dustin Martin (Rich)
94 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
69 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
67 Zach Merrett (Ess)
66 Dayne Zorko (BL)
62 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
62 Rory Sloane (Adel)
61 Gary Ablett (GC)
61 Joel Selwood (Geel)
60 Sebastian Ross (StK)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-31/aflca-votes-round-19-just-three-perfect-10s
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I reckon Cotch is unlucky not to crack that list.
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I reckon Cotch is unlucky not to crack that list.
Generally speaking he's at a disadvantage. The most he can get is 8 ;)
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Medal favourite Martin’s restraint backed
By AAP+
01/08/2017
The running battle that has Dustin Martin walking an AFL tribunal tightrope may well have snapped Richmond teammate Dylan Grimes.
Martin has become the outright Brownlow Medal favourite after Patrick Dangerfield accepted his one-game AFL suspension.
But the Tigers star was fined twice in the round-17 win over Brisbane and another fine this season would mean a suspension that also makes Martin ineligible for the Brownlow.
One of those fines was for Martin making contact with Nick Robertson’s face.
That came after several minutes of Robertson vigorously tagging the Richmond midfielder.
Robertson subsequently served a one-game ban for kneeing Martin in the back of his legs.
While Grimes can see why Martin was fined for the Robertson incident, he praised his teammate for how he handled the situation.
“That could have been the first sign of him maybe ever … showing that it was getting to him,” Grimes said of Martin.
“Dusty is incredibly measured and one thing he’s invested a lot in this year is the mental control in his game.
“It’s a great testament to him – a lot of players would have gotten carried away. I probably would have myself.
“He did very well in the circumstances.”
Grimes was asked if Martin’s teammates needed to protect him more if opponents try to tag him.
“For a normal player, you would probably say yes, but with Dusty he’s almost the impossible tag,” Grimes said.
“I think we’re finding more clubs are just trying to manage his influence, rather than tag him.
“He’s pretty unstoppable when he’s at his best.”
Martin is a popular figure at Richmond and Grimes would love him to join captain Trent Cotchin as a Brownlow Medallist.
“The change we’ve seen in Dusty’s game is that consistency – being able to not disappear throughout the game and maintain a four-quarter effort,” Grimes said.
“It’s been a real credit to him – and under tagging pressure as well.
If Martin wins, there will be plenty of interest in his acceptance speech – the star is not big on public speaking.
Grimes loves the fact that regardless of the attention he receives, Martin has stayed humble and true to himself.
“Dusty is a man of few words and that’s what I like most about him,” he said.
“He’s a Brownlow Medallist already at Richmond, whether or not he wins it is yet to be seen.”
https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/medal-favourite-martins-restraint-backed/396318
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Dusty's nutmeg in yesterday game :bow.
VIDEO:
Camera angle 1: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/899188990363918336/photo/1
Camera angle 2: https://twitter.com/RestingPlayers/status/899189155208454144
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That's not a nut meg
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That was selling candy....
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bumping this because he was sensational. from being heavily tagged and still going in contest after contest along side our captain, to of course turning stewart inside out to set up the Prestia and Grigg goals. was massive. only nitpick is when he passes to butler or even jack I wish he would just go for goal because when he is in range I would bet my life saving on him to put it through the big sticks because his field kicking is out of this world
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I must break you: Dusty's 'don't argue' record
afl.com.au
12 September 2017
IF YOU are struggling to picture a moment where Richmond superstar Dustin Martin was tackled by a Geelong player on Friday night, then you would not be wrong.
The gun midfielder was not letting anyone stand in his way as he delivered yet another best-on-ground performance, carrying the finals-starved club into its first preliminary final since 2001.
The manner in which he asserted himself on the contest was notable, with the Brownlow Medal favourite recording six broken tackles – the equal second-most of his career – against Geelong.
Martin and Port Adelaide speedster Jarman Impey hold the AFL record for broken tackles with seven.
Friday night was the fourth time the Tiger has had six broken tackles in a game - an AFL record - and follows the six broken tackles he notched against St Kilda in round 23.
Martin finished with 28 disposals (14 contested), nine inside 50s, four goal assists and 12 score involvements, thriving in the second half as the rampant Tigers ran away with a 51-point win.
Martin's much-vaunted 'don't argue' came into play a number of times on Friday night, with Cats Scott Selwood, Sam Menegola, Tom Stewart, Mitch Duncan and Brandan Parfitt all feeling the star Tiger's brute force.
When Martin brushed off a Stewart tackle on the outer wing of the MCG to set up a Dion Prestia goal, which put the Tigers up by 13 points at three-quarter time, he started the ball rolling for Richmond's rampant last-quarter run.
Martin's amazing ability to bust through pressure or make the opposition miss sticking a tackle was epitomised by the AFL-leading 68 broken tackles he recorded across the home and away season.
Such was Martin's dominance, that figure was 44 more than the next best player – Port Adelaide's Sam Powell-Pepper (24).
On the other hand, Geelong has prided itself on its ability to stick its tackles this season and headed into Friday night's clash as the No.1 team in the AFL for effective tackles (70.5 per cent).
However, the Cats were well down on their usual output and failed to live up to their own reputation, allowing a season-high 13 broken tackles against the Tigers.
Although seemingly nothing went right for Geelong on what was a dirty night, sticking its tackles is one thing Chris Scott's team can instantly fix for Friday night's do-or-die semi-final against Sydney.
Laying body pressure on the opposition and locking the ball into the contest against a battle-hardened team like Sydney will be crucial to the result.
It could be the difference between Geelong falling to another meek loss and making a game of it against the in-form Swans.
Most broken tackles in a game
BROKEN TACKLES PLAYER GAME (S)
7 Dustin Martin (Richmond) R15, 2017
7 Jarman Impey (Port Adelaide) R11, 2016
6 Dustin Martin (Richmond) R8, 17, 23, QF (2017)
6 Sam Lloyd (Richmond) R20, 2016
6 Claye Beams (Brisbane Lions) R1, 2015
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-12/i-must-break-you-dustys-dont-argue-record
Stats supplied by Champion Data
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But the match report for the Port game was Dusty had 8 broken tackles which is a new record. Did champion data review the match and disallow one?
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THE SECRET BEHIND DUSTY'S 'DON'T ARGUE'
RICHMOND superstar Dustin Martin uses incredible strength, aggression, footwork and technique to break tackles, but a hidden element is "human nature", experienced tackling coach John Donehue says.
The Melbourne Storm tackling coach and martial arts guru helped North Melbourne disarm Martin last year, training the Kangaroos to crack in low and "smash the fend down".
"We would try and get our body a little bit lower and keep coming at the ball carrier and try and basically smash the fend down and go through it," Donehue told SEN Breakfast.
Martin leads the league in busted tackles (74), miles ahead of nearest rivals Patrick Dangerfield (24) and Sam Powell-Pepper (24).
He smashed six last week alone in the qualifying final against Geelong on his way to a game-winning 28 disposals, 12 score involvements and nine inside 50s.
"There was a couple different ways that we would try and attack it," Donehue said.
"The biggest problem people have is human nature, as soon as we see an arm come up towards our face or our chest we actually come up on our toes and open our chest and try and reach for the person.
"At the angle that the arm comes usually, because they're a bit more side on, you're never going to win that battle.
"It's very rare that you can actually grab the arm when it's slippery and in game conditions and hang onto a wrist and try and pull someone down."
But Donehue admits limiting the explosive Tiger is easier said than done.
"The biggest thing that people underestimate is the foot work because if you watch how they're doing it they're either breaking away from you or changing direction," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-september-13-2017/news-story/ec80ae3fb9686d1cf8e715090922e792
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/storm/will-chambers-rates-afl-star-dustin-martins-ability-to-switch-to-nrl-based-on-key-skills/news-story/b6171f6a87bdee23e648c61d58046d36
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The five big plays: Dusty's gold v Cats
afl.com.au
23 September 2017
WHAT to do with the oversized Dustin Martin problem will have dominated discussion among Greater Western Sydney's brains trust this week.
Martin's devastating second-half performance against Geelong in Richmond's 51-point qualifying final triumph a fortnight ago highlighted the threat he poses.
The 26-year-old beat up on the Giants in rounds nine and 18 for a combined 66 disposals (37 contested), 16 clearances and 16 score involvements.
Callan Ward, Tim Taranto, Josh Kelly, Matt de Boer, Dylan Shiel, Matthew Kennedy and Heath Shaw spent the most time alongside Martin. They managed 57 possessions (18 contested) and 10 clearances opposed to him.
Ward was the only one to play 10-plus minutes on Martin in both clashes and outperformed the Tiger in those periods, but it was Kennedy who lasted the longest duration of 52 minutes in round 18.
De Boer and Shiel also had some success in respective 12-minute stints.
Worth noting is that Stephen Coniglio, touted as Martin's most likely midfield minder in Saturday's preliminary final at the MCG, missed both games.
Martin spent 72 per cent of game time in the midfield this season, compared to 28 per cent up forward, but there were notable differences in those ratios against GWS and in the Cats match.
He was a midfielder for 86 and 80 per cent of the two Giants outings – possibly because of the onball depth at Leon Cameron's disposal – then rocketed to 36.5 per cent time forward against Geelong.
AFL.com.au looked back at Martin's big plays in the last-start victory over the Cats to see how they might impact Saturday's bout with GWS.
1. A selfless Dusty is the best Dusty (first quarter)
Martin's effort to mark a Jack Riewoldt kick across goal late in the first quarter then almost instantly find an unguarded Josh Caddy 20 metres out is an example of his value in attack. It was one of his 12 score involvements against Geelong, above his season average of 8.8, which is second to only Swan Lance Franklin. Martin also ranks equal third in score assists (40) and fourth in goal assists (25). The Giants won't be too fussed if Martin wins big possessions, so long as he isn't playing a major role in the scoreboard ticking over. His per-100-minutes averages as a forward are 21.4 disposals (eighth in the AFL among players with 500-plus minutes as a forward), three clearances (third), 2.4 goals (eighth) and 2.3 assists (second).
2. The midfield show with the lot (third quarter)
Martin clocks up 14.3 of his 30.2 disposals per game in contested situations. But he is incredibly dangerous when released, as evidenced by his burst of speed in traffic after receiving a Trent Cotchin handball. Martin's pace off the mark is electric and he manages to hit a target despite the chaos around him and create time for Kamdyn McIntosh to make a good decision. GWS must find a way to make him feel pressured as often as possible. Martin's per-100-minutes averages as a midfielder are 31.4 disposals (eighth in the AFL among players with 500-plus minutes as a midfielder), 7.5 clearances (fifth), 0.9 goals (14th) and 1.4 assists (14th).
3. Somebody stop me (third quarter)
This was the highlight of Martin's second-half storm that put an end to Geelong's resistance. The Tiger's fend off is already the stuff of legend, but his one-on-one win against the hapless Tom Stewart was a beauty. He read the ball better than Stewart at ground level, then one of his classic stiff-arm plays put the Cat off balance to establish some breathing room before he took two bounces and launched Richmond into attack. Martin is a runaway League leader in broken tackles with 74, way ahead of second-placed Patrick Dangerfield's 25. It's easier said than done, but the Giants need to find a way to stick their tackle opportunities on Martin.
4. Creating something from nothing (fourth quarter)
Martin used his greatest weapon to see off Stewart (again) then Mitch Duncan, opening a gap for him to send a pass from beyond 50m to Shaun Grigg within inches of goal. The Tigers regularly seem to sneak a player forward of the play for a gimme goal, but you would rather Martin having the ball there than deep inside 50. Thirty-seven of Martin's 56 scoring shots this year came inside 40 metres – and 25 of them were goals. But he is only 7.12 from 40m-plus. One GWS aim will be to try to deny Martin deep forward-50 possessions and force him into spectacular attempts that even he can't expect to nail every time.
5. Dusty's defensive buy-in (third quarter)
Martin is such an offensive juggernaut that he can get hurt the other way on occasion. He becomes an even tougher proposition when he is applying pressure, like in the vision above, where he smothers Lachie Henderson's attempted clearing kick out of defence. Martin averages 38.3 pressure points per game, ranking him ninth at Richmond. The reason Coniglio looms as a great defensive match-up for Martin goes beyond his tagging diligence. Coniglio is a more-than-capable ball-winner (25.9 per match) who churns out clearances (six), tackles hard (6.7) and makes his possessions count (6.9 score involvements).
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-23/how-dusty-is-a-differencemaker
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Dustin Martin opens up to Matthew Richardson on 3AW
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has opened up to 3AW’s Matthew Richardson about a range of issues in the lead-up to Saturday’s preliminary final.
Martin, the winner of this year’s VicSuper Player Of The Year award, spoke about dealing with Brownlow Medal favouritism, constant contract speculation, and how a more “open” Trent Cotchin had influenced the Tigers as captain.
Martin said he couldn’t wait for tomorrow’s clash with the Giants.
“It’s going to be an awesome game,” Martin said.
“We’re just raring to go.”
Stay tuned for the full interview, which will air on 3AW Football after 2pm on Saturday…
http://www.3aw.com.au/dustin-martin-opens-up-to-matthew-richardson-on-3aw/
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His field kicking was sensational tonight :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
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The moment: Dusty's magic lights up the 'G
afl.com.au
24 September 2017
What happened?
It was the opening minute of the final term and Richmond surged inside 50 with a wave of pressure. Dustin Martin was stationed in the goalsquare opposed to Aidan Corr and he had room to go to work as Dan Butler's kick along the ground came towards him. With his back to goal as he collected the ball, the superstar Tiger shimmied left and Corr took the bait. Next he exploded to the right and left his man in his wake, turning towards goal and kicking a magnificent goal on the outside of his right boot at the Punt Road end of the MCG. It was a moment of sheer power and skill combined, showcasing Martin at his unstoppable best. He turned to the crowd and celebrated in trademark fashion with his tongue out and one finger waving in the air, knowing the Tigers were surely into a Grand Final.
Who made it happen?
The Richmond small forwards. Daniel Rioli created the first contest by flying for a mark and bringing the ball to ground. He backed up with another tackling effort as the ball made its way forward, as did Butler and key forward Jack Riewoldt. Together they forced the ball to spill and a quick handball from Shane Edwards found Butler, who kicked quickly and intelligently to the space in front of Martin. Coach Damien Hardwick also had a role. He stationed Martin at full forward, giving the powerful midfielder the chance to isolate his opponent around goal.
What did it mean?
It meant a 35-year absence from the Grand Final was over. The margin was 37 points and it would have taken a record comeback for the Giants to get home. They tried, and kicked back-to-back goals 10 minutes later, but Martin's goal put the result beyond doubt. It was also Martin's third straight goal either side of three-quarter time. In a preliminary final, with history beckoning, Martin delivered and showed he is made for the September stage. If more evidence was needed, it was a moment that added to his case as the best player in the game.
Any cameo performers?
Captain Trent Cotchin had a team-high 513m gained on Saturday and was a mighty contributor. In the build-up to Martin's moment he juggled a contested mark on the boundary line and pumped the ball inside 50 for the fourth time. His ability to win crucial contests all day kept the pressure on GWS and the ball surging forward for his team. His kick forward was one of 26 possessions (17 contested) and he had team-high clearances (seven) and tackles (nine).
How did they call it?
"Kicked forward. Two on one, Dusty, Dusty, DUSTY!" – Basil Zempilas, Channel Seven
"There is nothing he can't do, Dusty Martin, absolutely nothing. Three goals in a row, he's unstoppable." - Luke Darcy, Channel Seven
And the fans went ...
Into party mode. They were jumping, dancing and hugging in the stands as the reality sank in that their team was off to the Grand Final. The crowd of 94,258 needed some reassurance at three-quarter time, despite the Tigers' 31-point lead, and a goal in the opening minute of the final term delivered it.
The Tiger Army in full voice as their Grand Final dream is realised. Picture: Michael Willson, AFL Photos
What they said
Richmond vice-captain Alex Rance:
"I've almost come to expect it now. It's the way he plays, he's a beast. He knows when to stand up, he's a man, and he's a super player … he does things that people can't even dream of."
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick:
"It was enormous. He went forward and that's the great thing about great players, I've got a chess piece there that I can move at various stages. I thought he was really important in the second half when we needed him to be a presence up forward and he created those chances for us."
Will they play it in 20 years time?
It won't be an iconic moment in 20 years time, but it will sit comfortably among the highlights when telling the story of Martin and the Tigers' remarkable season. Fans won't soon forget the feeling that washed over the MCG when it was kicked, either. It was a moment that captured Martin's remarkable ability to insert himself into the game when needed. He has done it all season and now he has done it in a preliminary final. Can he do it once more on the biggest stage of all?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-09-23/the-moment-dustys-magic-seals-it
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Dustin Martin: The Drill podcast reveals Richmond legend Michael Roach wants Tigers star to start in midfield in AFL grand final
SAM LANDSBERGER,
Herald Sun
28 September 2017
RICHMOND’S last premiership full-forward wants Dustin Martin to start Saturday’s grand final in the midfield.
The newest Brownlow Medallist has powered the Tigers into their first Grand Final since 1982 with a devastating — and surprising — shift to attack.
But Richmond great Michael Roach said keeping Martin, 26, away from the action could allow Adelaide’s stars to quickly rip the premiership cup out of the Tigers’ reach.
“He really is a matchwinner — but is he a matchwinner in the forward line or the centre?” Roach said.
“I just wouldn’t want Adelaide to get a good start, because we’ll struggle to comeback if they get their running game going.
“This week he’s got to be in the midfield. Their midfield is pretty good, and you’ve got to get it down there.
“I don’t want it going the other way. Adelaide’s forwards are very, very good and I’d rather play the game from our forward line.”
In the happiest dilemma of coach Damien Hardwick’s career, he must decide whether to persist with the finals formula or bring him back to the centre square.
As discussed on The Drill podcast, Martin spent 61 per cent of Saturday’s preliminary final forward, kicking three consecutive goals either side of the final change to eliminate Greater Western Sydney.
He had not previously spent more than 41 per cent forward this season.
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Dustin Martin is spending more time in attack. Source: Champion Data
Martin finished with game highs for forward-half score involvements (12), forward-half ground balls (10), forward-half disposals (19) and forward-half contested possessions (12).
That equated to a game-high 119 SuperCoach points accumulated in the forward half.
“(Dusty) was enormous,” Hardwick said.
“I thought (tagger Stephen) Coniglio was on top of him in the first half, and then he went forward and that’s the great thing about great players.
“I’ve got a chess piece there that I can move at various stages, and that’s the hard thing about Dustin (for the opposition) — it’s trying to find the right match-up.
“Danger (Geelong’s Patrick Dangerfield) is the same.
“I thought (Martin) was really important in the second half. When we needed him to be a presence up forward he created those chances for us.”
In the Cats’ preliminary final loss to Adelaide, Dangerfield spent 82 per cent of the first quarter forward as his team was smashed in clearances, inside 50s and trailed by 31 points.
The Crows have won just two of six matches when losing the clearance count this season, highlighting the need for Martin to dominate the midfield.
They are also deadly efficient in attack, ranking No.1 for goals per inside 50.
But after spending only 27 per cent of the home-and-away season in attack, that has soared to 49 per cent in finals.
Roach — who kicked 112 goals to win the Coleman Medal in the Tigers’ 1980 premiership season — thought the higher stakes had altered Richmond’s approach.
“During the season you’ve always got next week. I suppose in finals he (Hardwick) wants to put the score on the board,” Roach said.
“Dusty’s probably won us the last three games. He really is a matchwinner — but is he a matchwinner in the forward line, or the centre?
“I’m a big Jack Riewoldt fan and a Cotch fan and a Rance fan, but I don’t think I’ve seen a player be able to change a game like he could.
“I suppose when Richo was on he could win a game off his own boot and Dusty ranks up there with Richo for me watching as a supporter.”
Martin’s three-goal burst against the Giants gave him his best return since bagging four goals against Carlton in Round 1.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-drill-podcast-michael-roach-says-dustin-martin-should-start-grand-final-in-the-midfield/news-story/b96b79301b9d9f5975a3a18a8cebe4a3
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Mark Williams explains how he became so close with Richmond star Dustin Martin
JAY CLARK,
Herald Sun
November 19, 2017
MARK Williams and Dustin Martin would get competitive in the backyard.
Whether they were playing quoits, hitting golf balls from the lawn onto the adjoining golf course, or playing pool, these little games helped lay the platform for their blossoming friendship.
And more often than not, it was a family affair.
Martin, 26, became a part of the furniture at the Williams household and often the conversation had nothing to do with football.
“We would hit a few balls or have a putting challenge and hang it on each other, and I’m not sure there is anything he can beat me at yet,” Williams says laughing.
“But he would come over and have dinner and watch television and play with my kids for hours.
“My daughter ‘Issy’ probably hadn’t seen anyone with tatts before and she would say ‘what’s this one’ and ‘what’s this one’ and he would explain what they were and what they meant.
“Dust’ has promised her he will get a butterfly one day.
“So he became part of our family, and I don’t drink or smoke or anything like that, but guess what, I said ‘I will care for you’.
“So I got to meet his mum and his grandmother, his aunties and uncles and certainly I met his dad Shane. So they could all see that I had genuine care for him.
“He has huge heart, Dustin and more than anything he is a true and loyal friend.”
On holiday time, Williams would keep in touch, sending regular texts to check in with Martin, making sure he was OK.
“He would send a text back and it might only say ‘yep’, or ‘I’m OK’ and that’s all I needed to know,” he said.
“Just keeping the communication open.”
This year, Martin became the most sought after- and No. 1 player in the game as North Melbourne offered him one of the biggest offers in the game’s history to entice him to Arden St.
But he remained loyal to the Tigers and in the process won the Brownlow Medal, after finishing third and seventh in the previous two seasons.
“I think it was pretty special what he did this season but ultimately it was his friendships with guys like Shaun Grigg and Sam Lloyd which kept him at the club,” he said.
Williams said Martin’s work ethic behind the scenes was under played.
“Dustin is a person who loves the carrot in front of them,” Williams said.
“So I said ‘Lets show you Jobe Watson, let’s have a look at Nat Fyfe, and just tease his pride and his ambition. And he has delivered in spades and it was weekly thing.
“It wasn’t just like he turned up. He actually looks at these things and he would say ‘How am I going?’ and ‘What am I doing?’
“We practised for hours on things he wanted to improve. He always wants to get better.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mark-williams-explains-how-he-became-so-close-with-richmond-star-dustin-martin/news-story/c204fd1695554e1637b45d1b14a3ef01
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Star Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin has been completing his own training at Punt Road in recent weeks, with senior players due to resume full training in coming weeks.
The reigning Brownlow Medal winner travelled extensively over the off-season, including a US jaunt with former Collingwood gun and Brownlow winner Dane Swan.
“I told Swanny if he brings back Dusty early (from the trip), I’d re-rookie him (at Richmond) next year,” Hardwick laughed.
“Dustin’s matured enormously and he deserves to have his fun in the off-season, but when it comes to work, he works as hard as anyone on the training track.
“He’ll be in good nick and ready to go.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-will-alter-richmonds-game-plan-in-bid-to-stay-ahead-of-the-competition/news-story/b610cdaa2f579297bae8d2dfe1c29e7c
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Leppitsch said that star midfielder Dustin Martin has returned in good shape and a greta frame of mind following his remarkable season in which he took home nearly every individual award available.
“It’s the first month that I think he got paid that salary too, so he’s pretty happy!” he joked.
“He always cuts his holidays a couple of weeks short just to come back and at least roll up in reasonable nick.
He does that pretty well now, he’s much more professional than what he was when I first got here seven or eight years ago – he really understands the game and what’s required.”
Source: SEN website (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/12/04/tinkering-with-tiger-blueprint-dangerous-leppitsch/)
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Really?
He looked podgy to me in this mornings paper.
If that's looking good, I'd hate to see how he looked a few years ago
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ffs give the champ a break, he had a couple of dogs eyes and a beer
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Dusty was in the top 5 Australian Google searches this year.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2017/12/13/australia-top-google-searches-2017/
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Dusty was in the top 5 Australian Google searches this year.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2017/12/13/australia-top-google-searches-2017/
Another illustration of why Dusty will end up being better off financially in the long run by his decision to stay and play at Richmond.
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Hugh Van Cuylenburg from the Resilience Project spoke about the gratitude, empathy and mindfulness program credited by Richmond Tigers superstar Dusty Martin for his remarkable AFL season in which he won almost every award on offer as well as a premiership.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/12/17/nrl-rising-stars-warned-of-dangers-at-rookie-camp/
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AFL on 7
@7AFL
"WARNING TO THE COMPETITION
@DustinMartin4 is a "beast" and looks set for another dominant year according to @Richmond_FC's @nickvlastuin. #gotiges #7AFL"
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/953199800287076352
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Dane Swan talking about his mate Dusty:
One of those mates is Richmond's superstar midfielder, Dustin Martin. The pair have been close friends for years -- their annual boys' trip away has reached social media must-watch status -- and now Martin is coming off his best ever season with the Tigers as well. After signing a long-term contract extension with Richmond in August, Martin helped to end the club's 37-year premiership drought. He also won the 2017 Brownlow Medal with a record 36 votes.
To sum it up, Martin pretty much won everything there was to win in 2017. Can a player improve on a season like that? It will be scary for the rest of the league if he does, says Swan.
"If he gets better, I feel scared for sides that are gonna have to come up and play against him," Swan says. "He doesn't really have any weakness.
"I don't know how you try and stop him if you're playing against him. You just hope he has a bad one. I speak to him a lot, and he says he's as fit as he's ever been at this time of year. I think the only thing that can stop him getting better is him getting injured. That's a pretty scary thought for opposition midfielders."
http://kwese.espn.com/afl/story/_/id/22244542/afl-collingwood-magpies-dane-swan-youth-no-longer-excuse
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Dusty's name officially added to the Norm Smith medal honour board at AFL House:
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https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/960322216792477696
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Every time I see this clip it says Dusty was never ever going to leave. He loves Richmond too much.
"YELLOW AND BLACK!"
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Ryan Garthwaite predicts another huge year for Dustin Martin
Beau Greenway
Border Mail
February 21 2018 - 5:30PM
Former Murray Bushranger Ryan Garthwaite believes Dustin Martin can go to another gear at Richmond this season.
He had a great view of Martin’s stellar season which featured the premiership, Brownlow and Norm Smith medals, All-Australian, Richmond’s Jack Dyer Medal, as well as being voted by opposition players and coaches as the Player of the Year.
But Garthwaite thinks the now AFL cult figure ‘Dusty’ can be even better.
“Being able to train with some of the top athletes in Australia, you learn so much,” Garthwaite said.
“Dusty is just one of those blokes that goes about his business.
“He's got all the talent in the world, but there's not an arrogant bone in his body.
“He's always looking to help someone and help improve your game.
“Obviously when he's on the field he does his thing and we all know how good that is.
“He's an amazing bloke and an amazing footballer.
“Coming off what he did last year, you can't ask for a lot more, but already he's looking for what he can improve to take his game to the next level.”
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/5243384/ryan-garthwaite-predicts-another-huge-year-for-dustin-martin/
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Vintage Dusty in JLT1 ...
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-02-24/jlt-1-vintage-dusty
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Anyone else seeing him at Crown tonight?
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Dane Swan thanks Dustin Martin for paying his bills
Mick Stirling
Sporting News
9 March 2018
The Dane Swan – Dustin Martin bromance has become one of football’s most endearing relationships as two of the game’s roughest nuts keep sharing their love in the public realm.
This week Swan let on that it might not all be about mutual admiration, and that there’s a practical value to being Martin’s ‘bestie’.
“I was as pleased as anyone because he’s kept me in business this year - the only time anyone wants to talk to me is about him,” the former Magpie told Adelaide radio station FIVEaa.
“He’s keeping my lights on at home and keeping the bills paid, which is great.”
Swan praised Martin for the way he approaches football and life, saying the previously wayward Tiger had turned his life around and deserved the amazing on-field year he enjoyed in 2017.
“The work-life balance probably wasn’t great for him, but in the last few years he’s really found a great balance and he knows what is needed to play great footy.
“I actually know how hard he works too. He does all his extras on days off… that no one sees because he’s not the type of person to do it for accolades and people to look at him.
“He does it because he knows that’s what gets the best out of his footy, that’s why he’s such a great player, and such a great player because he does it for himself and for his team, not for people patting him on the back.”
Martin’s awkwardness on the Brownlow podium is testament to the fact he’s not a fan of public speaking or being in the limelight, but as social media shows, he likes to party and doesn’t mind standing on a stage when the music’s pumping.
“He likes to have a good time off the field,” Swan agrees, “but he picks and chooses his moment now and it’s all about footy during the year.”
http://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/dane-swan-thanks-dustin-martin-for-paying-his-bills-afl-richmond-tigers/fg4h6d51lal71lyxsc4vmdukc
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A bit of class goes a long way. Was massive when the team needed a spark. His field kicking is still godly and we probably would have won by more if he went for goal more often then when he passes it off
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Martin anything but dusty in season opener
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
Mar 22, 2018 10:46PM
IT TOOK two seconds. After completing the most dominant season by a midfielder in modern football last year, Dustin Martin didn't have to wait long for his first touch of 2018.
As he ran onto the MCG for the first time since Richmond's euphoric premiership win over Adelaide, Martin stood at the opening centre bounce against Carlton on Thursday night, copped a friendly bump from Blues opponent Patrick Cripps and then read ruckman Toby Nankervis' tap perfectly.
Within a flash, he had taken control of the ball, had a couple of steps and sent it deep inside Richmond's forward 50. He was off and running. Whether he will be stopped remains to be seen.
It was the opening game of last season that kick started Martin to his spectacular campaign, when he gathered 34 disposals and kicked four goals against the Blues. It was also when he picked up the first of his 11 three-vote Brownlow Medal performances.
This one wasn't quite as scintillating from Martin, but it was no dusty start for the 26-year-old either. The Tigers conceded the first five goals of the game, but it was Martin who helped turn things back his side's way late in the first quarter with a powerful one-on-one mark against Jacob Weitering and a precision 55-metre pass off one step to Jacob Townsend, who converted his shot.
The special passages of play continued. In the second quarter, as the ball bobbled around half-forward for the Tigers, Martin gathered and fell to the ground. He remained composed as he did, spotting Cotchin in the corner of his eye and hitting him with a sweeping handball into space.
As the Tigers started the second half four points down, Martin shaped as the match-winner. And as they entered the final term four points up, he still seemed the Tiger most likely to drag his side to an important round one win.
But the Blues kept on coming, and made it hard for Martin to dominate. There was more hustle and bustle to his game than dashing run, and meanwhile Carlton was unearthing its own certified 'Next Big Thing' as Charlie Curnow kicked five goals in a breathtaking display.
Martin was in no mood to be outshone, though. Eight minutes into the last term, and with the Tigers leading by a point but looking shaky, Martin had his moment. He cleanly collected the ball in the forward 50, sprinted through one tackle attempt and past another, before kicking an on-the-run checkside goal.
The Tigers booted the next three majors to all but seal their 26-point win, and Martin finished with a team-high 32 disposals, six clearances, six inside-50s and a big say on the result.
Not that any of that was surprising. After his Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal, premiership, best and fairest and AFLPA MVP award last year, Martin enters this season not only as the leading player of the competition but also the biggest star in the country's biggest game.
Every move he makes and every game he dominates – and even the game or two he might be quiet – will attract attention and comment. Not that it will bother him, for that is one of Martin's contrasting qualities: he is as identifiable as he is introverted.
On the field, there are other idiosyncrasies. He is imposing without being aggressive, bold without being brazen, and imitable (think of the 'Don't argues' practiced at local clubs around Australia each week) but one of a kind with his imprint on a game.
And if Thursday night is any indication, he looks determined to do it all again in 2018.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-22/martin-anything-but-dusty-in-season-opener
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Dusty's bag of six:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-04-14/round-4-damaging-dusty-puts-six-on-the-board
Dusty delivers up forward
Richmond would be pleased with its ability to win matches in recent weeks without the need for Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin to be at his very best. Martin had 21 touches and one behind last week against Hawthorn but wasn't in the Tigers' best few players. Again against the Lions, he spent a lot of time in the goalsquare in an attempt to evade the clutches of tagger Mitch Robinson. He didn't find a heap of the ball, but he still kicked a career-high six goals. Beloved by Tiger fans, Martin ran to the bench in the dying minutes to rousing applause and a "Dusty" chant.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-14/five-talking-points-richmond-v-brisbane
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Dustin Martin reminded Wayne Schwass of Leigh Matthews and Tigers champ is starting to prove why
JON RALPH,
Herald Sun
April 16, 2018
DUSTIN Martin was only 32 games into his AFL career when Wayne Schwass went all-in on his talent.
Triple best-and-fairest winner Schwass said he had never seen a player who reminded him so much of Leigh Matthews.
Martin, 19, had just beaten up Brisbane with a five-goal virtuoso performance as a midfielder pushing deep forward. Sound familiar?
On Saturday Martin finally eclipsed that goal tally with a personal-best six-goal haul playing mostly as a deep forward against the Lions.
And in doing so he gave us a fascinating insight into how he might play out the next seven years of his highly-paid career.
Let’s make one thing clear.
There is only one Leigh Matthews in over a century of football.
You only need to rewind 31 seasons to his 91-goal, 658 possession season in 1977.
To put it in perspective, he averaged 3.8 goals and 27 possessions that year, with three performances of seven goals and 30-plus touches.
That’s rarefied air.
But Schwass’s prophecy about Martin’s skill set seven years on looks eerily prophetic.
“I haven’t seen a bloke who has reminded me of Leigh Matthews in the same way,” Schwass said in June 2011.
“The rider is that he has a hell of a long way to go. But Leigh was an uncompromising rover who then went forward and finished his career, and I am not saying Dustin will kick 900 goals, but I see that versatility in him.
“I think he could kick 400 or 500 goals. He is in his second year and knows how to kick goals, so he can play four or five years in the midfield, and then go forward with great impact.
“This kid could be a gun mid who also has a real upside as a much more intimidating version of Brad Johnson.
“If he has space in the forward 50 to do his stuff one-on-one, there aren’t many who can beat him.”
Martin might share the low centre of gravity and menacing air as Matthews, but until last year he was only a goal-a-game midfielder.
After 150 games he had exactly 150 goals.
But after 37 goals last year he already has a dozen goals for the year, with Martin yet to turn 27.
Leigh Matthews is considered the greatest player to play the game.
Matthews not only kicked goals as a midfielder, he finished off his career with hauls of 74, 79, 77 and 56 goals.
Martin now has 199 goals from 182 games, but it’s not hard to see him averaging two goals a game from here on in.
Given his contract states he will be playing until at least 33, he won’t end up too far short of Schwass’s prediction of 500.
In the short term, why wouldn’t Martin play deep forward for much of this year.
Damien Hardwick has already forecast that type of role for him while the Tigers continue building midfield depth.
Admittedly against a dismal Lions outfit, he had 17 possessions, 10 score involvements, six inside-50s and six goals.
Surely that’s more effective than 30 possessions and two goals, especially as the Tigers have such midfield depth.
Reece Conca tried the patience of Tiger fans but his past fortnight is excellent, while Richmond believes Jack Higgins will eventually become a midfielder.
Yet if anyone had any concerns about the Tigers paying up for seven more years of Dustin Martin, they should think again.
Like Matthews and Kevin Bartlett and even key forward Alastair Lynch before him, his amazing versatility will prolong his career well into his 30s.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/dustin-martin-reminded-wayne-schwass-of-leigh-matthews-and-tigers-champ-is-starting-to-prove-why/news-story/52e50af910a29d34e9f343008f3f37cc
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Six of the best makes Dusty footy's No.1
Dinny Navaratnam
afl.com.au
Apr 16, 2018 11:43AM
HE'S SCOOPED up just about every accolade available and now Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has added another achievement to reinforce his reputation as the best player in the competition.
Martin has overtaken Geelong gun Patrick Dangerfield as No.1 on the Schick AFL Player Ratings, as determined by Champion Data, ending a reign by the Cat that lasted almost two years.
The dual All Australian became just the fifth person to take over top position since the standings began in 2012.
It's the latest achievement on Martin's long list after his stellar 2017 saw the bullocking midfielder win the Norm Smith Medal as the Tigers won the flag, the Brownlow Medal and the Jack Dyer Medal.
His versatility was on show last Saturday, with his six goals helping Richmond punish a Brisbane outfit that managed just two.
Since the start of last season Martin has led the AFL in several areas. He ranks No.1 for average inside-50s (5.9), score assists (1.9) and centre bounce clearances (3.4), and his fierce fend-off means he also leads the competition in broken tackles (3.1).
His ability to not only move the ball forward but help his side keep possession is reflected in his ranking as the best player in the AFL in that time for average retained metres gained (317m).
For Dangerfield to hit back and reclaim the No.1 spot after round five, he needs to outscore Martin by at least 10.5 points. To put that into context, Martin has averaged 21.4 points per game since the start of last year.
The Player Ratings take into account an individual's past 40 games over a rolling two-year period.
History of No.1 players
Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) – round one, 2012-round four, 2015
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) – round five, 2015-round 16, 2015
Nat Fyfe (Fremantle) – round 17, 2015-round 11, 2016
Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong) – round 12, 2016-round three, 2018
Dustin Martin (Richmond) – round four, 2018-?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-16/six-of-the-best-makes-dusty-footys-no1#/
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From Barrett's latest 'sliding doors' column:
IF .... there's one thing left that Dusty hasn't yet done ...
THEN .... it's kick a bag. As in a double-figure bag. Come on Dimma, give him licence to do so at the 'G on Tuesday night.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-20/sliding-doors-round-five
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The proof Richmond’s Dustin Martin is ‘the last of the full forwards’, or perhaps the first of a new breed
April 19, 2018
Max Laughton@maxlaughton
FOX SPORTS
FORGET Dustin Martin being the midfielder who floats forward. He might just be the only pure forward we have.
The Brownlow medallist was stellar for Richmond last weekend, kicking a career-high six goals in a huge win over Brisbane.
But he spent much of his time not just floating around the forward 50, but as proper a deep forward as we’ve seen for a while. And according to Fox Footy analyst David King, it means he’s either a trendsetter or a throwback.
“He plays his own game, and Richmond has set it up perfectly. I think Dusty is the last of the full forwards — or the first of the full forwards, whichever way you want to look at it,” he said on AFL 360.
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King showed vision that not only revealed how tough Martin is to play on, but how he was actually staying at home in the forward 50.
In one scenario, the ball was in Richmond’s defensive 50 and Martin was 40 metres out from goal. In another, he was 35 metres out during a Tigers kick-in.
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Dustin Martin highlighted in the forward line while play goes on near Richmond's defensive 50.Source: FOX SPORTS
So when he really was left with just one defender, there was simply no chance he could be stopped.
“You cannot make contact with this guy, because he’s so strong. You’ve got to sit off him, you’ve got to come hard and come late — you do not wrestle,” King said.
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A Brisbane defender attempts, unsuccessfully, to outmuscle Dustin Martin.Source: FOX SPORTS
“This is the beauty of the gun midfielders going deep. Plenty of energy, plenty of power, and when the ball’s there to be won, they know how to do it.”
And King was full of praise for Richmond coach Damien Hardwick for playing Martin in this way.
“I think it’s fantastic to see Damien Hardwick say, ‘you are our best option at deep forward. Play deep forward. Don’t come up to the back of the defensive grid, don’t get involved in that’,” he said.
“And I hope it takes hold. That’s where Jake Stringer should be. That’s where Paddy McCartin should be. Tomahawk, all those guys.
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Dustin Martin, below the blue bar at the bottom of the picture, in the forward line as Richmond kicks out from defence against Brisbane.Source: FOX SPORTS
“Sometimes you’ve got to sacrifice one player out the back — just see what the competition’s doing. I think Damien Hardwick is changing the competition in a whole host of ways, and it’s challenging them to be aware.
“I don’t see any other clubs doing this. Dusty’s a gun, but to kick six goals is the reward of what Damien’s put out there.”
As for what the Tigers’ next opponent Melbourne could do, King suggested Sam Frost (based on his speed) or Michael Hibberd as Martin’s opponent.
“But you can’t snooze on him. You can’t think he’s playing a different position,” he said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-proof-richmonds-dustin-martin-is-the-last-of-the-full-forwards-or-perhaps-the-first-of-a-new-breed/news-story/376a7df156d5bce1a7947cb9c5719e16
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Still got a heap of it but at times Dusty didn't seem to be moving as well as usual (although he was moving better by the last qtr). I wonder if he was a bit sore or copped a knock early in the game?
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Still got a heap of it but at times Dusty didn't seem to be moving as well as usual (although he was moving better by the last qtr). I wonder if he was a bit sore or copped a knock early in the game?
Not at his best but still damn good!
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I think the pies pressure was terrific today. Dusty didn’t have the same liberty as normal so a lot of his kicks were rushed and his disposal efficiency was way down.
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Still got a heap of it but at times Dusty didn't seem to be moving as well as usual (although he was moving better by the last qtr). I wonder if he was a bit sore or copped a knock early in the game?
I reckon there was a moment on Tuesday night where he got up limping.
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Still got a heap of it but at times Dusty didn't seem to be moving as well as usual (although he was moving better by the last qtr). I wonder if he was a bit sore or copped a knock early in the game?
I reckon there was a moment on Tuesday night where he got up limping.
Yes, knee clash and it looked quite hard too. But he got up and braved it off
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified last night:
Are some bad habits creeping into Dustin Martin's game?
Watch the segment here: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/993452578095611906
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified last night:
Are some bad habits creeping into Dustin Martin's game?
Watch the segment here: https://twitter.com/FootyClassified/status/993452578095611906
Wow, large sample size in that analysis!
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Haha at Juddy shutting him down
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Question:- Are some bad habits creeping into Lloydy's journalism?
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Question:- Are some bad habits creeping into Lloydy's journalism?
It is taking a very long bow to describe Lloyd's garbage as journalism.
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More groundbreaking footy journalism, this time from Barrett's Sliding Doors column today:
IF .... Dusty has been going through the motions this year ...
THEN ..... he'll need to do more than that against Jacobs on Sunday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-11/sliding-doors-round-eight
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Was reading back at the start of this thread the other night.
People wanting and getting angry that we wernt going after john butcher instead of dusty.......oh dear.
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Was reading back at the start of this thread the other night.
People wanting and getting angry that we wernt going after john butcher instead of dusty.......oh dear.
Yep some were very vocal.......and very wrong
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Was reading back at the start of this thread the other night.
People wanting and getting angry that we wernt going after john butcher instead of dusty.......oh dear.
Yep some were very vocal.......and very wrong
Dig through the middle of this thread and you’ll find some absolute gold about How we should have Taken Jetta over Dusty :lol
Must have been after Jetta strung his only two good games he’s ever had together :whistle
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Was reading back at the start of this thread the other night.
People wanting and getting angry that we wernt going after john butcher instead of dusty.......oh dear.
Yep some were very vocal.......and very wrong
Dig through the middle of this thread and you’ll find some absolute gold about How we should have Taken Jetta over Dusty :lol
Must have been after Jetta strung his only two good games he’s ever had together :whistle
:lol
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Dig through the middle of this thread and you’ll find some absolute gold about How we should have Taken Jetta over Dusty :lol
Must have been after Jetta strung his only two good games he’s ever had together :whistle
And both of those games must have been against us. For years we struggled to shake the Pitura effect. Thankfully we have matured now.
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Scully, Trengove and Martin should all be 200 game players. So whoever we get isnt a problem. One thing I like about Martin is that he is a bigger type midfielder and will complement our existing group really well. Our draft wont be made of who is our first pick. It will be determined by if we can trade out any players and get picks and who we pick in the 2nd and 3rd round as well as who we draft with the picks we get from other clubs for our traded out players.
I was doing some good work back in 2009 lol
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Judith Donnelly (our media manager) was on SEN this morning and she said the media have been over the top since draft day about Martin's tattoo to the point some journos even wanted a joint photo of Dustin and his dad topless showing off their tatts. The media also kept pestering Martin and the Club about how many clubs called him "dumb" at draft camp etc. Judith said she found that sort of behaviour and questioning by the media disgusting. She regrets using colourful language and wouldn't use it if she had her time again but she said the club was happy with the job she did and Martin's dad called to thank her and the Club for looking after his kid.
Judy Donnelly was a gun at her job she did a great job back then. Its been fun re-reading this thread.
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Dusty will need to get use to opposition clubs trying to heavily tag him again after being held today. Mind you in the last quarter, when Jacobs went to Cotch, his F50 entries lead directy to two crucial goals. So Dusty still had a vital impact on the game despite a quiet first 3 quarters.
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I have faith in Dusty. He has set the standard very high for himself. There will be times where Cotchin will be a bit off while he wears the heavy tag so I hope to dear god he can handle the extra heat he will be getting for the rest of the year.
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I’d have to concede that our boy was beaten today.
........there’s always next week.
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Pfft.......been playing on one leg for a month but when the match needed to be won there he was again.... :shh
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Pfft.......been playing on one leg for a month but when the match needed to be won there he was again.... :shh
Agree. Did two brilliant acts when it counted the most.
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Id like to see dusty have a couple of weeks break. Will help at the pointy end of the season.
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified accused Dusty of lazy efforts on the weekend (eg: not chasing) and not working are hard as he did last year.
https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-9
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Playing like a millionaire.... :shh
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified accused Dusty of lazy efforts on the weekend (eg: not chasing) and not working are hard
https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-9
Unfortunately that type of play is something Lloyd is well qualified to comment on, so there may be some truth to it.
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Absolute truth to it, one in all in is the only way we can improve. Those sort of efforts cant be acceptable regardless of who it is, he should be setting the example
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified accused Dusty of lazy efforts on the weekend (eg: not chasing) and not working are hard
https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-9
Unfortunately that type of play is something Lloyd is well qualified to comment on, so there may be some truth to it.
To be fair to Dusty, he was probably so exhausted from trying release himself from Jacobs grabbing him illegally, he was too tired to chase anyone..... :shh
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified accused Dusty of lazy efforts on the weekend (eg: not chasing) and not working are hard
https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-9
Unfortunately that type of play is something Lloyd is well qualified to comment on, so there may be some truth to it.
To be fair to Dusty, he was probably so exhausted from trying release himself from Jacobs grabbing him illegally, he was too tired to chase anyone..... :shh
Agree, that aside Dusty does pick his moments. The restraint he showed in not clobbering that bastard was amazing. What a poo way to play football.
That said Lloyd should not be commenting on anything but his stupid Bombres
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Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified accused Dusty of lazy efforts on the weekend (eg: not chasing) and not working are hard
https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2018/episode-9
Unfortunately that type of play is something Lloyd is well qualified to comment on, so there may be some truth to it.
To be fair to Dusty, he was probably so exhausted from trying release himself from Jacobs grabbing him illegally, he was too tired to chase anyone..... :shh
Agree, that aside Dusty does pick his moments. The restraint he showed in not clobbering that bastard was amazing. What a poo way to play football.
That said Lloyd should not be commenting on anything but his stupid Bombres
Dusty's chasing is the weakest part of his game (and maybe only weakness), regularly does not push back hard or after opponents
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Easing himself into the year like an old man into a hot bath....
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Slim Dusty out of tune ahead of Richmond’s blockbuster clash against West Coast at Optus Stadium
PerthNow
20 May 2018
WEST Coast have 40 reasons to worry about Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin ahead of today’s top-of-the-table clash at Optus Stadium.
The Richmond superstar had 40 touches, 15 clearances and two goals the last time the teams met in round three last season.
They are numbers that are enough to give coach Adam Simpson a headache, if not send a shiver down his spine.
However respected analyst David King says the Eagles should adopt a wait and see approach with Martin today.
The tattoo-covered dynamo was held to just 16 possessions by North Melbourne tagger Ben Jacobs last weekend, prompting a call from his coach Damien Hardwick for greater protection for him because he was a “ball player”.
Now spending more time forward, Martin is averaging 24 disposals per game in 2018, down from 30 last season.
King, who will be part of Fox Footy’s broadcast team for today’s blockbuster, nominated Elliot Yeo as Martin’s ideal match-up but said there was no need to start with a hard tag.
“Dusty’s not in the form of last year. He’s going at about 70 per cent of last year. It’s still a really good level of footy, but it hasn’t quite been that game separating burst that he’s been able to put to teams over the last few weeks,” he said.
“He’s just ticking along. He’s not really setting the world on fire.”
Heat maps from Champion Data reveal Martin has had just one disposal inside Richmond’s defensive 50m arc this season, underlining the Tigers’ plan to get their match-winner forward of the ball.
He has won 72 per cent of his possessions in the attacking half of the ground this season, which is up from 63 per cent in his Brownlow year.
King said the Eagles shouldn’t begin the game being too Martin conscious. “I don’t think they need to be. I think West Coast will just concentrate on what West Coast do,” the dual North Melbourne premiership star said.
“I mean they’re a very strong team that can clearly score and score quickly. I just think that they’ll continue to do what they’ve done and just assess in-game whether that’s good enough to be beating Richmond or they need to make change.
“See how the game starts, see what the scoreboard says, see what Dustin Martin’s doing. And if there’s a problem there, put the glove on.”
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/richmond-tigers/slim-dusty-out-of-tune-ahead-of-richmonds-blockbuster-clash-against-west-coast-at-optus-stadium-ng-b88840961z
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Martin is still a little dusty
It’s cruel Dustin Martin should be judged on the lofty heights he set last year, but as it stands the reigning Brownlow medallist has been underwhelming in 2018. Against West Coast, Martin (26 disposals, 17 contested possessions and eight clearances) was among his team’s best and showed flashes of brilliance without taking the game by the scruff of the neck. The 27-year-old seemed cramped for space – manned tightly by Mark Hutchings – and didn’t break the lines the way he usually does. A point emphasised when the explosive midfielder was caught with ball in hand several times throughout the afternoon. He’s certainly not performing badly, but Richmond needs Martin at his best to win another flag.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-20/five-talking-points-west-coast-v-richmond
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I thought he played well to be honest. He had no one to go with him.
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Didn’t get away with the fend off today. Thought Yeo did an excellent job when tackling. When he was off the ground we dominated the game in the second.
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I thought he played well to be honest. He had no one to go with him.
Yep we need Prestia and the Captain had a shocker. Too many one paced big bodies mids with Caddy, Graham and Conca in the guts. We were made to look slow today
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I thought he played well to be honest. He had no one to go with him.
Yep we need Prestia and the Captain had a shocker. Too many one paced big bodies mids with Caddy, Graham and Conca in the guts. We wer6e made to look slow today
Lacked speed big time as you said to many one paced.Menadue is in our best 22.
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I thought he was very good tbh. Sure he got tackled a few times, not the first or last time
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Lacked speed big time as you said to many one paced.Menadue is in our best 22.
No he isnt, best 28 maybe
Best 22 definitely not
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Lacked speed big time as you said to many one paced.Menadue is in our best 22.
No he isnt, best 28 maybe
Best 22 definitely not
I respectfully disagree. I think if he was given the same opportunity as say Kamdyn, he would show he is close to best 22. Last year he gave us a lot of run and broke the lines before he got injured and then never made his way back into the side. He is a classy player.
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Might have a lie down this week.
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Lacked speed big time as you said to many one paced.Menadue is in our best 22.
No he isnt, best 28 maybe
Best 22 definitely not
I respectfully disagree. I think if he was given the same opportunity as say Kamdyn, he would show he is close to best 22. Last year he gave us a lot of run and broke the lines before he got injured and then never made his way back into the side. He is a classy player.
Can’t say that he’s best 22 yet but I do agree he deserves a shot. I don’t understand what Macintosh is providing at the moment to not give someone from the vfl a shot and my first choice there would be menadue on the wing.
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My last memories of Menadue in the seniors was thinking he was perhaps the most petrified and sooky bloke I had seen in a long time.
However, seems as though he's been having a good dip in the 2's. At some point form has to be rewarded and poor form punished (McIntosh, Dirge, Butler)
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How did you manage to confuse Menadue with BEllis - they look nothing alike..... :huh
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It's the premiership medal I saw Bellis wearing around his neck last September. :shh
Speaking of the BEllis - his punishment is up. Looking forward to seeing him back this week.
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Yes he's sure earnt it with three completely average & ineffective performances at VFL level....... :clapping
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He was our best player in the first half last week from a few reports and was taken off early in in the 2nd half in case he was needed for the senior game.
I know you hate the guy, but do a little research :shh
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Carey tonight on Talking Footy reckons Eagles players were deliberately slapping Dusty's arm before tackling him.
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well carey would know all about slapping people on the arm, especially woman
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He was our best player in the first half last week from a few reports and was taken off early in in the 2nd half in case he was needed for the senior game.
I know you hate the guy, but do a little research :shh
Pfft...fake news.... :shh :shh
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:shh
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... we judge Dusty on now near-impossible benchmarks ...
THEN ... so be it, that's what happens to the all-time greats. But he's still ticking along extraordinarily well on the benchmarks applied to 99 per cent of his peers.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-25/sliding-doors-round-10
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It's the premiership medal I saw Bellis wearing around his neck last September. :shh
Be careful with that method of ID.
I saw a photo of Broady's premiership medal being worn with pride but I am fairly certain it wasn't Broady's neck.
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He stood up in the 3rd and I loved his fend off and goal from 55m sitting in M17
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He stood up in the 3rd and I loved his fend off and goal from 55m sitting in M17
top shelf
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(https://scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/d8a01dcfe855b884a2e0e5e5748a15a9/5BBBB512/t51.2885-15/e35/32247715_393690334445107_2071206240003817472_n.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/richmond_fc/
:thumbsup
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After he had 26 disposals, six clearances and two goals last week against the Saints, Dustin Martin has 'quietly' recorded another 28 disposals tonight, to go with a team-high 13 contested possessions, seven clearances and nine score involvements.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/11/ess-v-rich
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His ok performances still better than majority of players at their best. Will be back to his unstoppable best come finals time!
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Btw noticed that dusty has been completely removed from crownbets Brownlow betting. Was there an incident I missed during the game that people think he’ll be suspended for? Surely not that bump to the midrif on baugeley in the first qtr?
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Damian Barrett reckons Dusty is a chance to miss next week against Geelong as well. With the bye following that, it would mean Dusty won't play for a month which may be the break Dusty's body needs.
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If ....as expected, Dusty is rested next week against Geelong ...
then .....with the bye in round 14, it won't be until June 28 at the earliest that he returns. That'll make it 26 days between games, the perfect mid-season freshen-up.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-06-08/sliding-doors-round-12
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Damian Barrett reckons Dusty is a chance to miss next week against Geelong as well. With the bye following that, it would mean Dusty won't play for a month which may be the break Dusty's body needs.
Youd think with a calf strain a week off isnt enough.
shame, but like you said, its a break his body probably needs, hopefully he comes back in ripping shape for the run home
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Damian Barrett reckons Dusty is a chance to miss next week against Geelong as well. With the bye following that, it would mean Dusty won't play for a month which may be the break Dusty's body needs.
Youd think with a calf strain a week off isnt enough.
shame, but like you said, its a break his body probably needs, hopefully he comes back in ripping shape for the run home
Concerning. I'll refer to the OER medical society, but my understanding is a calf is rarely just one or two off. They tend to linger.
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Has Dustin Martin found love with a bikini beauty? Heavily-tattooed footy star's rumoured new girlfriend is a stunning model - as they both jet off for a winter holiday in the SAME country
Elissa Burns and the Dustin Martin have been dating since march, sources say
They are both coincidentally currently in New Zealand for separate reasons
The genetically blessed pair both hail from Melbourne - perhaps where they met
By Brooke Rolfe
Daily Mail Australia
Published: 20:45 AEST, 22 June 2018 | Updated: 21:17 AEST, 22 June 2018
Footy superstar Dustin Martin has reportedly caught the eye of a stunning Vivien's bikini model.
Brunette beauty, Elissa Burns, and the Brownlow Medallist have been dating since March, according to a source close to their pair, the Herald Sun reported.
Coincidentally, they are both currently in New Zealand - Ms Burns for model duties and Martin to visit his deported father.
It's possible the 26-year-old Richmond Tigers forward, who is also an ambassador for Bonds Australia, met his lady love on the Melbourne social scene.
The genetically blessed pair both hail from the Victorian capital, making it likely they have friends in common.
Martin could be well in need of some time out, having recently narrowly escaped suspension for a careless contact charge in Sunday's game against Geelong.
He accepted a $1,500 sanction with an early guilty plea after making contact with an umpire during the third quarter of the Tigers' 18-point victory.
Ms Burns, who stands at a leggy five foot seven, stuns in a plethora of glamorous photos uploaded to her Instagram, many of which appear in her modelling portfolio.
She is described as having brown eyes and long brown hair, and has a portfolio on both Vivien's website and 62 Models.
Daily Mail Australia has contacted her representatives.
The pair were seen partying at lavish venues in Las Vegas and soaking up the sun poolside.
Martin's successful career however hasn't come without controversy - he made headlines in 2012 for being suspended for missing a compulsory training session after taking sleeping pills.
The premiership player's father, Shane, also made headlines in 2016 after he was deported to New Zealand because of his criminal record and alleged bikie gang connections.
Read more: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/page-13/is-richmond-brownlow-medallist-dustin-martin-dating-model-elissa-burns/news-story/25e53baa2d7faea218e942989f6ed5ff
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5873713/Heavily-tattooed-footy-stars-rumoured-new-girlfriend-stunning-brunette.html
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Rumours footy superstar Dustin is dating brunette swimsuit model - as she posts 'dinner date' snap
Model Elissa Burns and Dustin Martin have been dating since March, sources say
The stunning brunette uploaded a 'dinner date' snap with a cocktail in hand
The identity of the mystery date remains unclear, adding fuel to dating rumours
By Sam Lock and Brooke Rolfe
For Daily Mail Australia
Published: 21:30 AEST, 23 June 2018 | Updated: 21:30 AEST, 23 June 2018
Fans have added fuel to rumours footy superstar Dustin Martin and swimsuit model Elissa Burns are an item.
The genetically blessed pair, who both hail from Melbourne, have been dating since March, according to a source close to the pair, the Herald Sun reported.
The leggy five foot seven brunette uploaded a glamorous 'dinner date' snap on Saturday night at Melbourne's exclusive Morris Jones cocktail and wine bar on Chapel Street.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5876971/Rumours-footy-superstar-Dustin-dating-brunette-swimsuit-model-posts-dinner-date-snap.html
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WGAF?
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WGAF?
FIZZACTLY
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She'd look alright wearing Dusty's premiership medal.
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Post reported to Clem Ford....
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Post reported to Clem Ford....
:shh
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Gossip Queen: Model's Dusty dating denial
https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/national/gossip-queen-models-dusty-dating-denial/news-story/8a5b61aa37047944220da500ae1d15f1
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Not sure what was wrong with Dusty tonight. He must be carrying some injury as he was just off with his handling and disposal (especially in the first half). It improved more towards the end of the game and it says something that an ordinary game for him still equates to 30 possies and 2 goals.
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Dusty was an absolute standout last year, but I think this year the team is collectively a lot better and he isn't as required to split games open. He's still getting awesome stats but his games are getting obscured by the performances of at least 4 or 5 others. Agree last night there was something off but he was still finding the ball. It was almost like he was trying to hard to get to his previous heights and it was costing him rather than just playing a natural game.
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Agree he was very fumbly in the first half but what I did like last night was the pressure he applied off the ball which is something he’s been a little down on this year. He was ferocious at the opponent even though he may have shanked a possession (which he did a few times especially early).
When he gets last years mojo back, which I think is coming, then look out. :shh
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Agree he was very fumbly in the first half but what I did like last night was the pressure he applied off the ball which is something he’s been a little down on this year. He was ferocious at the opponent even though he may have shanked a possession (which he did a few times especially early).
When he gets last years mojo back, which I think is coming, then look out. :shh
Have to agree here. No defensive pressure all year. In the second half to work himself into the game he was running and tackling hard. Hadn't seen that all year.
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I reckon he is playing injured and we are getting him through to the finals where hopefully he can put together a decisive finals series and clinch back to back flags.
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Although Richmond superstar Dustin Martin, quite understandably, has not emulated the astonishing season he produced in 2017 so far this year, his statistical numbers would, undoubtedly, still be the envy of most players in the competition.
Martin is averaging 24.6 disposals, 5.5 inside-50s, 5.4 clearances, 3.7 marks and 1.4 goals (19 in total) per game.
He’s ranked No. 1 in the competition for centre clearances, No. 1 for score involvements and No. 2 for inside-50s.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-07-08/other-tigers-rise-to-ease-dustys-load
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Martin is averaging 24.6 disposals, 5.5 inside-50s, 5.4 clearances, 3.7 marks and 1.4 goals (19 in total) per game.
He’s ranked No. 1 in the competition for centre clearances, No. 1 for score involvements and No. 2 for inside-50s.
Solid
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I reckon he is playing injured and we are getting him through to the finals where hopefully he can put together a decisive finals series and clinch back to back flags.
I agree with that, I think he has niggles or persisting issues, which remind me of a year Jack was slightly down and ended up having surgery post season?
I wasn't expecting him to repeat last years form, however he definitely looks restricted in his movement
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Looks like he's been carrying a groin or something, all year.
Explosive take off and pace isn't there. Getting caught a lot more.
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Looks like he's been carrying a groin or something, all year.
Explosive take off and pace isn't there. Getting caught a lot more.
I agree. Have a suspicion that he injured his groin during the off season. :shh
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Heard it happened in the Adelaide game and it’s an abductor injury.
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Although Richmond superstar Dustin Martin, quite understandably, has not emulated the astonishing season he produced in 2017 so far this year, his statistical numbers would, undoubtedly, still be the envy of most players in the competition.
Martin is averaging 24.6 disposals, 5.5 inside-50s, 5.4 clearances, 3.7 marks and 1.4 goals (19 in total) per game.
He’s ranked No. 1 in the competition for centre clearances, No. 1 for score involvements and No. 2 for inside-50s.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-07-08/other-tigers-rise-to-ease-dustys-load
All this while it looks as if he has an injury.
Just goes to show what a load of BS all the dream team possession accumulators do with the ball.
Interesting RFC has no players in those high stat rankings?!? ergo it doesn't mean as much?
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i noticed his kicks land a few metres short and as already mentioned he doesn't break away from the tackle as prolifically probably because his groin/adductor/hip is stopping him from exploding away.
still an absolute jet and as the port game highlighted, we still need him starting in the middle
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Heard it happened in the Adelaide game and it’s an abductor injury.
So his kidnapper got hurt? :snidegrin
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One of the footy panel shows on Monday night displayed Dusty's disposal efficiency numbers from Friday night. He was only going at 50% in the first half before improving to 61% in the second half. Reflects what we saw in the first half where Dusty was unusually fumbly and didn't give the ball off when he should have.
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Heard it happened in the Adelaide game and it’s an abductor injury.
So his kidnapper got hurt? :snidegrin
can't even add to that :whistle
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Lyon: Martin been a victim of his own lofty standards
By SEN
16 July 2018
Former Melbourne captain Garry Lyon believes Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has been a victim of his own lofty standards in 2018.
After a dominant 2017 which saw him win a Brownlow Medal, a Norm Smith Medal and a host of other awards, Martin hasn’t hit the same heights, averaging 5 fewer disposals per game and kicking only eight goals in his past 10 games.
But Lyon says accusations he has had a poor season are far-fetched.
“Had he not had that year, I think we’d still be looking at Dusty this year saying he’s playing pretty damn fine footy,” he said on SEN Breakfast.
“I think Dustin played at such a level last year that that is what we measure him by, and that is an almost impossible standard to maintain.”
However, Lyon also believes Martin’s effort around the ground isn’t stacking up with what he produced last season.
“I’ve got no doubt that he’s off, and I’m probably in my own mind thinking he maybe hasn’t worked as hard in game as he did last year, but he’s still a damn fine player,” he said.
“He still gives you the impression that he can turn that on almost at will.”
Essendon legend Tim Watson agreed, but said Martin could easily lift to replicate his 2017 feats at the business end of the season.
“You would not bet against him producing what he produced last year in the last month of football this year.”
The Tigers take on St Kilda at Etihad Stadium on Friday night looking to bounce back from their 2-point loss to GWS.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/15/lyon-martin-been-a-victim-of-his-own-lofty-standards/
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He’s getting pretty close to a 4 quarter masterpiece
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He’s not getting away with the don’t argue this year as easily as he was last year. Multiple players are tackling him at once now too so it’s getting harder to fend of all of them at the same time.
But it’s been his kicking that’s been really down on last season and that’s why I think he’s got a groin issue also doesn’t seem to be as fit as last season.
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He’s not getting away with the don’t argue this year as easily as he was last year. Multiple players are tackling him at once now too so it’s getting harder to fend of all of them at the same time.
But it’s been his kicking that’s been really down on last season and that’s why I think he’s got a groin issue also doesn’t seem to be as fit as last season.
Hes definitely been carrying a groin or hip most of the season, that would also affect stability/core needed for the dont argue. Having said that, he is moving better the past 2 weeks than he has the previous 10 - looks like hes getting better
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Dusty back to his best last night :thumbsup.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2018-07-20/round-18-dusty-dazzles-again-on-a-friday-night
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Just a beast.
Easily the most watchable player in the AFL when he is on imo.
Great game last night in a very frustrating game to watch.
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Dusty is moving up the board in the Coaches votes. He's now 7th.
Round 18 leaderboard
71 Max Gawn (MELB)
68 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
68 Tom Mitchell (HAW)
64 Shaun Higgins (NMFC)
61 Andrew Gaff (WCE)
59 Nat Fyfe (FRE)
54 Dustin Martin (RICH)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-23/aflca-votes-round-18-ten-for-toms-exciting-bomber
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If my calculations are correct that makes 11 games out of 16 played so far this season that Dusty has been awarded coaches votes.
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Dusty making the tabloid sections of the papers:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/page-13/page-13-dustin-martin-in-hot-pursuit-of-melbourne-model/news-story/e04717745d2d6318db9b3204eefa3b20
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dustin-martins-reveals-his-favourite-melbourne-restaurants/news-story/db91061210442ee9e904f981aaca3c4f
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Will leapfrog Gaff and Fyfe after this week 😉
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I can't get through the paywall but I don't suppose Mr miyagi is on that list?
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I can't get through the paywall but I don't suppose Mr miyagi is on that list?
:rollin :rollin
No it's not
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Dusty starting to hit form heading into the finals :thumbsup.
I can't get through the paywall but I don't suppose Mr miyagi is on that list?
:lol
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Dustin Martin, Heavily Tattooed Man, Admits He’s Not Great With The Pain
By Courtney Fry
pedestrian.tv
13 Aug 2018
Dustin Martin‘s greyscale tattoos are probably the most iconic ones out on the green grasses of the MCG at the moment, from the script on his neck, to the jobstoppers on both hands, right down to the clown portraits and the hand of four aces on his shins. Dusty sits atop the table of “most recognisable tattoos in the AFL” with Essendon‘s Jake Stringer hot on his heels with that god-awful stomach lion and chest bird combo.
Dusty, the boy from Castlemaine, has got some serious ink and in PEDESTRIAN.TV‘s latest episode of our AFL podcast Balls Up, we decided to quiz the Richmond champion on his body of work.
Did this involve looking at a bunch of photos of Dusty in his jocks for the new Bonds campaign to examine his tattoos? Yes, and I don’t regret a single second of it. Moving on.
First of all, Dustin put to bed the rumour that his neck was the first piece of work that he had done under the needle – and I maintain that no good artist would EVER tattoo someone’s neck for their first. His stomach was the one that began the itch, way back when he was 16 years old. Interestingly, his stomach is a space where he’s still got a lot of real estate and blank skin, after focusing more on his arms and legs in the following decade.
I think I got one on my stomach when I was about 16. Yeah so that was a while ago. That [neck tattoo] was actually my second one… I thought it would look cool at the time, so I just went and got it done.
Dustin’s tattoos are heavily inspired by Chicano-style blackwork – which typically depicts imagery like clowns and masks, weapons, money, women, and elaborate script – and credits US artist Boog Star as one of the main people he looks to when figuring out new work he wants to be done.
Dustin’s current Australian artist is Arn Lyons who works out of Oculus Tattoo in Thornbury and Collingwood, specialising in using tonal shading to bring grey and black tattoos to life. Hiss approach to getting work done absolutely terrified me as a person who spent most of her 2017 planning and organising a large tattoo. Nope, none of that for Dustin – he just walks into Lyons’ studio and picks out a design on the day.
I’ve got a lot of trust in him… I literally walk in there not knowing what I’m getting and I just go “yeah, that’ll do” – there’s no planning that goes into it. He [Arn] texts me saying “what are we doing tomorrow?” if I’m booked in and I just go “I dunno, I’ll come in and we’ll figure it out.” Yeah I just go in there and pick something out and he whacks it on.
That’s fine. I’m fine. I’m definitely not stressing out on Dustin’s behalf here at ALL.
Despite getting that itch of wanting a new tattoo, Dustin tells us that he’s not great with the pain, and can only sit in the studio under the needle for a couple of hours at a time. Considering how much work he’s had done, I’m guessing we’re looking at enough hours to fill a couple of solid days that he’s spent in the chair since he was 16.
Two hours is my limit, I can’t sit any longer than two hours. I’m a bit of a chicken. I swear every tattoo that I get lately, the pain just gets worse and worse.
“A lot of cheeky clowns…I just pick out the stuff that I thought looked cool.” (Credit: Bonds Australia.)
Dustin tells us that no, he doesn’t have a 2017 Richmond Premiers tattoo, simply because he was “having too much fun” directly after the big game last September (I assume his blood would have been too thin for about a month after the fact), but his favourite tattoos are the jobstoppers on the backs of his hands.
It was just too hectic after the Grand Final, with all the celebrations and everything, I didn’t have time. I was having too much fun.
We spent a solid half hour with Dustin on the blower, where we chatted about his jocks, his lucky game day socks, and his tattoos. It all kicks in at the 50 minute mark, so get around it below and subscribe to Balls Up on iTunes HERE (https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/balls-up/id1414146982?mt=2).
https://www.pedestrian.tv/sport/dustin-martin-interview-tattoos-pain-richmond-tigers-2018/
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How Richmond star Martin coped with 2017 expectations
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
14 Aug 2018
Dustin Martin admits he allowed the pressures of his remarkable 2017 season to creep in to his mindset earlier this year.
In a wide ranging interview with complex.com, the Richmond superstar spoke about the burden he felt in the early stages of 2018 as he attempted to replicate what he exceptionally achieved the season prior.
Martin became the first player in VFL/AFL history to win the Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal and a flag in the one year as he played a pivotal role in helping the Tigers break a 37-year premiership drought.
While the 27-year-old’s form was solid in the opening month of this season, Martin’s output seemingly dropped below what is expected of him, which he attributes to a yearning for reproduction of his unprecedented 2017.
“It was a really different feeling I had at the start of this year, off the back of last year,” said the humble champion in his interview on complex.com.
“You spend your whole life trying to achieve your dreams, and then when it all kind of happens … it’s a strange feeling. It’s like, ‘poo – what’s next?’
“I certainly struggled a bit early on in the year with that kind of thing and where I was in my life.”
Martin admits that after worrying about his own individual showing, he quickly discovered that simply contributing to his teammates around him would suffice for the greater cause.
“I probably put a bit of pressure on myself to live up to last year and in reality I didn’t need to; I just need to keep doing my bit for the side,” he added.
“Once I figured that out, my footy’s probably got a bit better in the last month. I’m appreciating the journey (and) I’m in a really good place.
“I’ve just got to keep doing my bit for the team. When I walk off the field I just like to know that I’ve given my best effort to my teammates, my coaches and the fans.
“I think that’s all I’ve got to do.”
Martin and the Tigers, who sit on top of the ladder after 21 matches, look ahead to Friday night when they take on Essendon at the MCG.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/13/how-richmond-star-martin-coped-with-2017-expectations/
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Even though we lost he was awesome against Adelaide! And not to mention he single handedly kicked more goals than all of Brisbane combined. But yes I can't remember what match it was but nothing seemed to go his way. He was I think trying to assert himself too much while at the same time being scragged and getting a lot more attention off the ball this year.
It has helped a lot of other players get off the chain so I don't think dusty minds. He's been unlucky to not kick more goals this year but that could be from some sort of groin complaint which has resulted in a lot of his kicks falling short?
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I have no doubt there is a groin complaint, I think we've suspected that for quite sometime now.
I guess from my point of view I dont expect him to replicate last years season however it is defintely noticable that there is a niggling issue and the fact that he just keeps soldiering on says alot about the person and player that he is or has become.
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Here's the full 'Complex' interview with Dusty:
Dustin Martin Has Nothing Left to Prove
In 2017 he won the AFL premiership, the Brownlow Medal and the Norm Smith Medal. In 2018, he’s on a mission to do it again with a new state of mind. Dustin Martin speaks to Complex AU about finding comfort in chaos, with thanks to the new Bonds Tech Trunk.
Brodie Lancaster
complex.com
Aug 13, 2018
Video via YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-WOhmpWps4)
If there’s one thing sports media loves more than a rowdy bad boy it’s a quiet one. It’s so much simpler to colour in the lines of a person – to add flourishes and guess what he’s really like – when you know he won’t offer a correction.
Even after years of being the most closely watched player in the AFL, Dustin Martin has remained a complete enigma. His shyness and protective instincts have compounded, leaving him safer in silence than he could ever be as a talking head.
A preternaturally nervous kid – who, despite having emerged as a star of the Richmond Football Club and an inevitable legend of the game, hasn’t quite grown out of that as a 27-year-old – in interviews Martin inhales air like it’s in short supply, looks like he’d rather be just about anywhere else, and sticks to a short list of failsafe responses. As a Richmond supporter I’ve heard all of his lines many times over. But I also knew this player – who inspires affection and gushing praise in everyone from his coach and captain to the most composed commentators – had more to say than a media environment that relies on instant quips and critiques could fully accommodate.
“I just don’t really like talking about myself,” he explains simply, when I begin our interview by asking him why avoidance is the course of action he chooses most often. “I’m quite reserved, I ‘spose. I like to just stick to my footy and let [it] do the talking.”
In the days following his Brownlow win in 2017, Fairfax’s Greg Baum wrote, “Dusty has become a puzzle the media feels it must solve.”
But when you look past the ways in which he doesn’t meet the expectations of how we demand celebrities and beloved public figures behave, the pieces fit together pretty simply: the things that mattered came naturally to Dustin Martin. It was the side-effects of his success – the attention, the craning necks, the speculation about his motivations and pressures – that didn’t sit right. So he didn’t sit with them.
The night he’d win the Brownlow perfectly encapsulated this: Martin showed up with a teammate in place of a date, removing any possibility of romantic speculation based on who was on his arm; he raced in 90 minutes after the red carpet arrivals commenced – so late that some waiting media believed he’d sneaked past them and avoided the cameras altogether; and after the medal was slung around his neck, Martin ignored photographers’ instructions to kiss it. He’s not rebelling or resentful, he just seems only willing to play along to a point.
“I can’t control what people think of me; they’re always gonna have their opinions – good or bad – and as long as I know that my friends and family know I’m a good person that’s all that really matters,” Martin explains, when I ask if he’s ever tempted to correct assumptions made about him. “I don’t really know what people think of me, and that’s none of my business.”
“There’s so much more to life than footy and the media stuff that people talk about. I just try to separate myself and not buy into it,” he says. “In Melbourne everyone loves footy and loves talking about footy. I try and stay away from all that; I don’t watch too many footy shows or read the papers.”
"Over the last two years I’ve really got in touch with my spiritual side"
Instead, when he’s not playing or training, he visits friends’ houses for time out. “A lot of my friends have got kids and I love going to see them; that’s when I’m most comfortable.” Otherwise, he taps out altogether with private night swims at the Brighton sea baths – a meditative activity of Martin’s that Richmond CEO Brendan Gale discusses learning about in one of the closing chapters of Konrad Marshall’s 2017 book Yellow and Black : A Season With Richmond. Going from the sauna to the freezing, black water at night is “good for the body”, Martin tells me, but also proves an essential escape from a life he describes as “hectic”. “I live by myself and enjoy my own space,” he says, simply. “I love being around my friends and family just as much but I’d certainly say I’m an introvert.”
In the same chapter, Martin’s beloved coach Damian Hardwick perfectly encapsulated how it must feel to be his star player who cannot help but attract attention everywhere he goes: “If you’re Dustin it’s like you’re in a zoo. And you’re the lion.”
And even in his most natural habitat, Martin’s never without curious eyes on him. Jerry’s Milk Bar in Elwood is a popular and unassuming cafe, and also happens to be one of Martin’s favourites. He stops in for coffee almost daily. When I sat down at a table there for breakfast recently, his face was staring back at me – not in person, but from the covers of books and magazines deposited around the cafe’s tables. Next to the register is a poster of him with a new award: “Jerry’s #1 Ticket-Holder”. Their love of him is not exactly inconspicuous.
“It is slightly embarrassing,” he admits, but the recognition comes with the territory. “You’ve just got to deal with it.”
And after a year like the one he had in 2017 – when he signed a multi-million dollar deal to stay at Richmond for seven more years; was the most-watched player on a team that won the club’s first premiership in almost four decades; and took home just about every individual award named after past legends of the game – recognition becomes a part of his everyday.
This notoriety, Martin tells me, can make it challenging to form new relationships and separate genuine connections from the ones only eager to be near celebrity. “It’s good to meet people that are interested in you the person, not you the footballer,” he says, with more conviction than he’s had at any other time during our conversation. “It’s very refreshing when you meet someone that doesn’t know who you are.”
Throughout our interview, Martin avoids talking directly about himself by reverting to generalised ‘you’s rather than specific ‘I’s and ‘me’s. It’s something I was once told women are socialised to do more often than men, as a way to play down accomplishments and signal in conversation that we’re not bragging or self-important. When you remove the gendered categorising, the same applies perfectly to Martin, who’s humble almost to a fault, and credits just about every personal success to his team. Even when he’s answering my questions about assessing whether people’s intentions when they meet him are genuine, he catches himself acknowledging his own fame and tries to re-frame it as a common occurrence: “With that said, the bigger my profile has got … people will come to you for you the footballer, not you the person.” Martin shirks the spotlight even when admitting how brightly it’s shining in his eyes.
“I just really value the meaningful relationships that I’ve got with my close friends and the boys that I play with,” he continues, and I get the sense that Martin’s acknowledgements of his team carry more weight that he quite knows how to articulate. When accepting his Brownlow, he read a message to them from a prepared speech: “this medal is about each of you and the connection we all have”.
"I probably put a bit of pressure on myself to live up to last year and in reality I didn’t need to; I just need to keep doing my bit for the side."
In 2017, the year he and his teammates brought home Richmond’s first premiership cup in his lifetime, the club began conscious, focussed work on strengthening that connection. Beginning in pre-season, players were asked to prepare and share stories about their lives’ heroes, hardships and highlights in what they called ‘Triple H Sessions’.
Martin appreciated the affect the emotional and revealing sessions had on his team, but found tapping into the vulnerability required to share his own stories difficult. “I was a bit uncomfortable and kept putting it off and putting it off. Eventually I had to, [but] I was probably one of the last in the group to do it. I was very nervous – as was everyone that got up there. It takes a lot of courage to get up there in front of 30 or 40 people and bare it all. But it was really powerful and something I’m very lucky to be a part of. It just brings you closer to your friends at the club. Definitely enhanced [my relationships]. You know people on a deeper level, which is really important.”
As well as chipping away at his defences in front of his teammates, Martin has been doing active work on quieting his mind and managing his nervous instincts with regular meditation before games, and sessions with the club’s high-performance mindfulness coach, Emma Murray. As a result, Martin has become somewhat of an advocate for the practice. “Over the last two years I’ve really got in touch with my spiritual side, and Emma’s been fantastic for me,” he says. “I think it’s really important for everyone to be emotional, stable … The mental side of the game is just as important as the physical, and keeping on top of it is something I’ll continue.”
Despite avoiding the endless commentary around the game, Martin is not immune to letting some its pressures seep in. And while the unprecedented successes from the 2017 season have allowed him a chance to relax into his playing recently, it wasn’t like that at first.
“It was a really different feeling I had at the start of this year, off the back of last year. You spend your whole life trying to achieve your dreams, and then when it all kind of happens … it’s a strange feeling. It’s like, ‘poo – what’s next?’ I certainly struggled a bit early on in the year with that kind of thing and where I was in my life.”
This affirmed a suspicion I’d had watching him play this season; that there was an unfamiliar kind of tension in his game until recently, when its shadow suddenly dissipated and a kind of disciplined freedom appeared in its place. “That’s the best thing – just being free, you know?” he agrees. “I probably put a bit of pressure on myself to live up to last year and in reality I didn’t need to; I just need to keep doing my bit for the side. Once I figured that out, my footy’s probably got a bit better in the last month. I’m appreciating the journey [and] I’m in a really good place.”
Marshall wrote in Yellow and Black that, when the teenaged Martin was first drafted, he listed two aspirations for his new career as an AFL footballer: to win a premiership and to be a one-club player. Considering he’s not only achieved both goals, but has done so in the kind of season any player – himself included – will observe as a benchmark in years to come, I ask Martin what he still has to prove as a footballer. The answer was in keeping with his character: uncomplicated, generous and genuinely honest. “Nothing, I don’t think. I’ve just got to keep doing my bit for the team. When I walk off the field I just like to know that I’ve given my best effort to my teammates, my coaches and the fans. I think that’s all I’ve got to do.”
Learn more about Dustin Martin's partnership with Bonds here (https://www.bonds.com.au/bonds-tech-trunks).
Styling by Jade Leung. Photography by Sam Wong. Dustin Martin wearing Bonds clothing throughout.
https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/08/dustin-martin-has-nothing-left-to-prove
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Was huge tonight :bow
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Agree for the first three quarters
Would have liked him to stand up in the last
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assuming we make it to a prelim, it will be dustys 200th :thumbsup
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Could play his 200th in a semi-final :shh
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It's as if he thinks the H&A season is there just to get you into gear for the important stuff called finals.... :shh
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Could play his 200th in a semi-final :shh
Jack is due for game 250 in the prelim
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Can Dusty win back-to-back Brownlows?
After a somewhat subdued start the season – inhibited by a persistent calf complaint – Dustin Martin remains a chance to win the Brownlow Medal, particularly after Saturday's barnstorming display against the Western Bulldogs. Martin began prolifically, amassing 10 disposals, three clearances and three inside 50s in the first term alone. Compared to his extraordinary Brownlow medal-winning 2017 season, Martin has dropped off in average disposals, goals and tackles but the Tigers onballer is still producing elite numbers: Score involvements (ranked first in the League), inside 50s (first) and clearances (second). Martin was one of the Tigers' best with a team-high 33 disposals and nine clearances to inspire the thrilling three-point victory.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-25/five-talking-points-richmond-v-western-bulldogs
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Rusty Dusty.... :shh
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saw him grabbing his back a few times today after that mark where the dog kneed him ...
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Dust in time: Martin nears peak form as finals loom
Jon Pierik
The Age
26 Aug 2018
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has warned fellow finalists Dustin Martin has timed his run well after the Brownlow medallist was at his brilliant best in a three-point win over the Bulldogs on Saturday.
Martin had a team-high 33 disposals, including nine clearances, as the Tigers held on for their 18th win in what Hardwick said had been a ‘‘dead rubber’’ at the MCG.
Martin had a relatively quiet spell through the middle of the season but has returned to his dominant best in recent weeks, much to the delight of his coach. He had 26 touches and four goals against Essendon last week.
‘‘He has started to really, really play – that level of expectation he has put on himself – he has gradually been building. It’s good to see him reap some dividends of doing that,’’ Hardwick said.
‘‘He kicked one goal, had five score assists, which is a really big game for him. He is so important to the way we play.
‘‘We have used him a little bit sparingly through the middle at stages as well but we are looking forward to getting him back to where he plays his best footy.’’
Martin’s efforts against the Bulldogs should advance his hopes of claiming back-to-back Brownlow Medals. Ever the team man, he did his best to ensure Riewoldt also tastes another individual honour.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dust-in-time-martin-nears-peak-form-as-finals-loom-20180825-p4zzpg.html
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Thought he was average yesterday TBH
His disposal was average, decision making at times poor. And twice hehad BEllis-itis, refused to sttack the ball in marking contests :o so unlike Dusty. He like most of them played bruise free footy
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Thought he was average yesterday TBH
His disposal was average, decision making at times poor. And twice hehad BEllis-itis, refused to sttack the ball in marking contests :o so unlike Dusty. He like most of them played bruise free footy
Agree WP. But to compare our champ with B Ellis is unkind to Dusty and his contribution to our football club. Probably the worst insult in football.
We won’t have to put up with BEllis much longer now that he’s moving to Brisbane. :shh
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Thought he was average yesterday TBH
His disposal was average, decision making at times poor. And twice hehad BEllis-itis, refused to sttack the ball in marking contests :o so unlike Dusty. He like most of them played bruise free footy
Agree WP. But to compare our champ with B Ellis is unkind to Dusty and his contribution to our football club. Probably the worst insult in football.
We won’t have to put up with BEllis much longer now that he’s moving to Brisbane. :shh
First step to that, dropping him for this final. (Bellis that is)
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Thought he was average yesterday TBH
His disposal was average, decision making at times poor. And twice hehad BEllis-itis, refused to sttack the ball in marking contests :o so unlike Dusty. He like most of them played bruise free footy
Hmmm, wonder why?
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Dusty came 8th in the AFLCA Coaches Award.
Final leaderboard
97 Max Gawn (MELB)
91 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
88 Tom Mitchell (HAW)
82 Brodie Grundy (COLL)
72 Dayne Beams (BL)
72 Jack Macrae (WB)
72 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
70 Dustin Martin (RICH)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-27/recordbreaking-ruckman-crowned-aflca-champion
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Needs to get on his bike next.
We have a Capt carrying a niggle or 2 so he needs to rise.
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Richmond star Dustin Martin is absolutely driven to bring even more success to the Tigers
Mark Robinson,
Herald Sun
September 1, 2018
DUSTIN Martin has not given up on Ben Cousins, but he has had to park him.
At least block Cousins’ number on his mobile phone.
In the weeks and months leading up to Cousins being arrested and jailed for drug possession Cousins was hitting up his AFL mates for money and signed jumpers so he could sell them, presumably to buy more drugs.
He called one player at 3am, a call that went unanswered.
He called Martin and his friends plenty of times, too, in search of the one possession he believed he could sell for quick bucks — the guernsey Cousins wore in his last game for Richmond and which he gave to Martin as a keepsake.
It’s not known where the guernsey is now, but Cousins wanted it back.
He also wanted other Martin signed guernseys.
The calls were incessant and eventually Martin blocked him.
That Cousins is back in jail is probably best for him and clearly, as September arrives, the best for Martin.
It is a small insight into the mindset of the Tigers champion — nothing will disturb his preparations for a back-to-back premiership tilt.
Dry July is understood to have progressed to dry August and probably dry September, further indicating his absolute focus.
Martin’s manager, Ralph Carr, and the Tigers knew Martin and Cousins were once close.
Cousins arrived at Richmond in 2009 a train wreck, got his life together, and departed in 2010 a cult hero.
Who could forget his last game against Port Adelaide?
He played with a hamstring injury in front of 38,000 in Round 22, completed a lap of honour and was chaired from the ground. He is now in jail.
Martin arrived at Richmond in 2010, worked through the responsibilities of being an AFL player, and on Thursday will play his 200th game in the qualifying final.
He is now, arguably, the best player in the AFL.
“Dustin is beautiful human being,” Carr said.
“He is so driven to have success for Richmond — I’d have coffee with him last year and I’d ask him about all the Brownlow Medal talk and he’d say, ‘Forget about that, Ralph, it’s more about us winning a flag’.
“He was never concerned about the personal accolades — I’ve never heard him talk about himself anyway.
“He’s humble … I saw him yesterday and he looks super fit. I asked him how he was feeling and he said, ‘Fantastic, I’m ready to go’.”
Ralph wasn’t aware of the Cousins situation or the request for signed guernseys.
“I didn’t know that, but knowing Dusty as well as I do, the moment someone would say that to him, he’d just walk away, he’s not interested in the slightest with that sort of rubbish,” Carr said.
“It’s a shame because like most kids at his age back then, he idolised Cousins.”
There’s team football at Richmond and then there’s team football at Richmond with a rampaging Martin.
The difference could be the premiership.
His colossal 2017 season was better than his 2018 season, but only just.
He’s marginally down in numbers in almost every key component for a midfield/forward, but that didn’t stop the All-Australian selectors naming him in the centre — and it hardly rated a mention.
Cast your mind back 12 months and Martin was more than a footballer, he was a media phenomenon.
He won every award imaginable and lived in everyone’s imagination.
His football, his contract talks and his dad’s deportation were front and square.
Media was unprecedented in footy-crazed Melbourne.
Then came September.
No other player entered last year’s finals series with the spotlight or expectation or a team’s hopes weighing on him as much as Martin — and what he delivered was imposing and exalted.
He was best afield in all of Richmond’s three finals.
Tiger folk still swoon over his game-changing production either side of three-quarter time in the Geelong final.
In the third quarter, he won a one-on-one against Tom Stewart which led to a Dion Prestia goal, and at the start of the last quarter was pivotal in goals to Shaun Grigg and Jacob Townsend.
In the preliminary final, he kicked three goals.
As Greater Western Sydney staggered in the third quarter, Martin moved to full-forward.
He took a mark against Heath Shaw and kicked the goal, Shaw held him at the next contest, Martin won the free and he kicked the goal, and at the start of the last quarter, Martin kicked the banana goal and it was good night Giants.
The next week he won the Norm Smith Medal.
None of that changed him.
He remains private and protective of his life, and largely avoids the media.
But one interview with website Complex AU last month, written by Brodie Lancaster, was clearly the most revealing of his career.
He said motivation for 2018 had to be found and harnessed.
“It was a really different feeling I had at the start of this year,” Martin said.
“You spend your whole life trying to achieve your dreams, and then when it all kind of happens … it’s a strange feeling. It’s like, ‘s--- — what’s next?’
“I probably put a bit of pressure on myself to live up to last year and in reality I didn’t need to; I just need to keep doing my bit for the side.
“Once I figured that out, my footy’s probably got a bit better in the last month.”
Teammate Jack Riewoldt described Martin’s season as “momentum building’’.
“He knows he’s a good player and he knows he needs to perform,” he said.
“It’s your job and you want to do your job to the best of your ability.
“He wants to perform, he is a big-stage player — he’s the best player in the competition isn’t he?”
While Riewoldt acknowledged Martin’s eminence as a player, he reiterated Carr’s offering that he was incredibly team focused.
“He is the ultimate team person, that’s the thing a lot of people don’t know about him, how much of a teammate he is,” Riewoldt said.
“He is as good a leader as we’ve got I reckon with team culture, as highly respected as anyone.
“When he talks everyone listens and he talks more often than he used to.”
Martin’s focus and/or priorities ahead of the qualifying final against the Hawks are not lost on Riewoldt.
He said Martin was not the only player at Richmond zeroing in on September, but acknowledged the public’s fascination with his teammate, combined with people such as Cousins always wanting to tug on his teammate’s coat tails, presents a whole set of different challenges.
“He is as professional as anyone off the field,” Riewoldt said.
“But he lives a complete different lifestyle and he can’t do a lot of stuff that I do, like go out and be normal.”
Conversely, all of Richmond wants Martin to be his normal inspiring self on the field.
Because while the Tigers’ success is team based and pressure laced, Martin is the one player who separates them from the rest.
“You ask me how he’s going, I’d say he’s primed,’’ Riewoldt said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-star-dustin-martin-is-absolutely-driven-to-bring-even-more-success-to-the-tigers/news-story/28a63f84d0905da7ababa2f56bc8d3bc
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Dusty plays his 200th in the QF :clapping :bow.
2010 21 games
2011 22
2012 20
2013 23
2014 22
2015 23
2016 22
2017 25
2018 22*
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Total 200* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/D/Dustin_Martin.html
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Very durable bloke. Hopefully he's good for 300-350 :D
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Dusty is the fastest since debuting and second youngest Tiger to reach 200 games.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-09-03/martin-motors-to-200
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Trent Cotchin@tcotchin9 twitter 1h ago
Far out 200 games already.. I think your highlight tapes will do the talking for the admiration I have for you as a player but for me this is also a celebration of you Dusty the human being.. forever growing! Goodluck in game 200 can’t wait to get out there! ❤️
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Official AFL instagram put up this absolute gem
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnS5AnZB92R/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
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“A lot of people don’t see it, but the amount of work he puts in is incredible,” Grigg said on this week’s edition of the Club’s official podcast ‘Talking Tigers’.
“Probably another thing people don’t see, is how good of a teammate he is behind closed doors and at training, how much he helps the younger guys, and how much he wants to get better. And he just loves winning.
“People, from the outside, would think he rocks up, he’s a rock star, dominates, and goes home. But there’s so much more to him that we love.”
Grigg also highlighted the unselfish nature of Martin’s play.
“He passes off a lot of goals. He could easily kick them himself, but handballs them off, brings guys in,” Grigg said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-09-05/grigg-reveals-the-real-dusty
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Official AFL instagram put up this absolute gem
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnS5AnZB92R/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Far out. The raw power on display in that photo from a second-gamer!
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Go get them tiger boys will be pumped for his 200th :gotigers.
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Dusty in 2nd gear during the H/A season but tonight it's back to full throttle.
That goal was unbelievable!!! :gobdrop
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1037646083239882752
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmZ4Br3UcAADkoZ.jpg) (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1037646083239882752)
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What a man. Absolutely dominated!
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Richmond propels into the Preliminary Final on the back of Dustin Martin. He contributed 29 disposals at 62 per cent efficiency, 17 contested possessions, ten clearances, four tackles, four marks and a goal.
Dusty has only achieved 10 clearances twice before.
The only other man (aside from Prestia) to exceed 500 metres gained is his teammate Dustin Martin with a tally of 513.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/24/rich-v-haw
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All that's missing is his cape....... :bow :bow :bow :cheers :cheers :cheers :gotigers
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Dusty is still the AFL's king
Plenty was made of Dustin Martin's (minor) statistical decline from his insane 2017 Brownlow Medal campaign and his numbers this year were too readily swept aside. But there was no better way for Martin to silence the critics than with a finals masterclass in his 200th match. He was already operating at a level above everyone else when he slotted a remarkable second quarter goal while deep in the pocket with his momentum taking him towards the boundary. Martin never offers much insight into the man behind the footballer, but his on-field performance should never be in doubt. He's a superstar in every sense of the word – and didn't he let Dan Howe know it.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-06/five-things-we-learned-richmond-v-hawthorn
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words can not describe how stoked I am that not only are we making a tilt for back to back flags but we have Dustin Martin at our disposal to break games open. Was an absolute colossus in the middle and in contests and dominated when the game was on the balance
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Dusty has been in third gear most of the year . Slowly been ramping it up over the last month . Showed what a superstar he is last night. Was beautiful to watch .
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Best on ground and by the way Hawthorn tried to tag him
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Dusty has been in third gear most of the year . Slowly been ramping it up over the last month . Showed what a superstar he is last night. Was beautiful to watch .
Formulae 1 Ferrari's actually have 12 gears
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The moment: Dusty's incredible goal sets up Tigers
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
Sep 7, 2018
IS THERE anything he can't do?
The football world has marveled at Dustin Martin's emergence into one of the all-time great players in the past two seasons. He dominates games in a manner only the best do: every touch of the ball makes something happen.
And on Friday night, in Richmond's qualifying final thrashing of Hawthorn, it was Martin who provided the 'wow' moment.
In a first half full of tackles and contests but devoid of highlights, Martin stepped up. The champions always deliver.
At the 19-minute mark of the second term with the ball stationed in Richmond's forward 50, it bobbled up after a contest and All Australian midfielder Shane Edwards tapped it away.
The Tigers are masters of the taps, dinky kicks and flick-ons, and this one made its way to Kane Lambert. He handballed it to Martin, who was pinned up against the boundary line with Hawk Daniel Howe on his tail. It didn't matter.
Martin's drop punt defied the angles to sail through for a goal and put the Tigers nine points ahead. They were never challenged thereafter as they ran away with the 31-point win to put themselves into a preliminary final in two weeks.
"When Dusty's there you normally give it to him no matter what the situation is. We looked at his highlights a few days before the game and we probably don't really appreciate what the bloke's doing on a football field," Lambert said.
"I know we have front row seats but you're so caught up in the moment that you probably don't get to see how special he is.
"I gave it to him and was right behind it thinking 'No way, no way'. I think he's spewing the Goal of the Year is only from the home and away season because he probably would have pinched it."
Martin's goal evoked memories of Jason Akermanis' brilliant snap for the Lions in 2005, which brought on the Brisbane star's famous I'm-shocked-at-what-I-just-did reaction.
Martin's celebration was typically more understated – could there be two personalities more different than 'Aker' and 'Dusty'? – as he charged back to the centre square to start another forward foray.
It would have suited Martin that this week his 200-game milestone was overshadowed by the start of the finals series.
It meant the attention and focus was shared on the sold-out MCG clash rather than centred on him. But coach Damien Hardwick predicted that his superstar was primed for the finals and Martin did not let him down.
His astonishing goal aside, Martin was the best player on the ground. He had 29 disposals, 10 clearances, five inside-50s. He also did other things that the numbers don't bring to life.
Not long after his goal, he was again pinned up against the boundary among a crowd of players. This time it was on the wing, and he cleverly shot a handball at the ground so it would bounce up to teammate Dion Prestia, who sent it long inside 50 for Kamdyn McIntosh to rove a goal.
Then, in the third quarter, Martin had a mark on the wing and decided he was going to kick a torpedo into the Richmond forward line. He made a nice connection and it sailed over the top, leading to a smart kick from Jack Higgins who set up a chance for Daniel Rioli.
Rioli was tackled to the ground before he could get his boot to the ball, but it all started from Martin's decision to get the ball in long and deep via the traditional torpedo means.
Martin was more subdued in the final quarter with the game already won by the final change, but the beauty of the reigning premiers is it is not reliant on him to fire. He is the lead actor of a brilliant support cast.
Dusty's night out
K H D M Clr T G.B
Q1 6 1 7 0 3 2 0.0
Q2 6 5 11 1 4 2 1.0
Q3 4 3 7 3 2 0 0.2
Q4 2 2 4 0 1 0 0.0
Total 18 11 29 4 10 4 1.2
Rioli was sensational with three goals, Prestia and Trent Cotchin held things together in the midfield, and Jayden Short and Higgins – two players who didn't feature in last year's triumph – showed their intent to be their this time around.
But Martin attracts the most attention, and rightfully so. His season hasn't quite reached the phenomenal heights of his 2017 campaign, but he still made the All Australian team, he's still a chance to win the Brownlow Medal and we know what he can produce on Grand Final day should the Tigers get back there.
"We know in moments like these he's going to step up and do something special. We don't expect him to, it's just what he does," Lambert said.
The club's highlights video of Martin's career celebrating his milestone went for 35 minutes this week at Richmond. Martin looks intent on adding a few more by the end of September.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-06/the-moment-dustys-incredible-goal-sets-up-tigers
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A Tiger supporter captured Dusty's freak goal on camera from right behind him :thumbsup.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/sbotha007/status/1037880724974579714
(https://cdn-triplem.scadigital.io/media/55984/dusty-goal-angle-800.jpg?preset=MainImage) (https://twitter.com/sbotha007/status/1037880724974579714)
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A Tiger supporter captured Dusty's freak goal on camera from right behind him :thumbsup.
VIDEO: https://twitter.com/sbotha007/status/1037880724974579714
(https://cdn-triplem.scadigital.io/media/55984/dusty-goal-angle-800.jpg?preset=MainImage) (https://twitter.com/sbotha007/status/1037880724974579714)
Not only did Dusty kick the goal, going by that clip it perfectly split the middle :o.
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I have always thought Dangerfield was as good if not better than Dusty, but after his performance Gee v Melb, Dusty is the man. :bow :bow
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Really? I felt his last 2 years has been average and has dropped down the pecking order by some margin.
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Really? I felt his last 2 years has been average and has dropped down the pecking order by some margin.
Fair call, historically maybe, but last night Danger looked done
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Really? I felt his last 2 years has been average and has dropped down the pecking order by some margin.
Fair call, historically maybe, but last night Danger looked done
Now has the record for most clangers in a final
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I went last night, the entire team play for themselves. Tim Kelly is the most overhyped player in the competition - the kid is a downhill skier, Ablett’s defensive game is non existent, Dangers always turned it over but last night was new level and Selwood, well here is a guy who basically cheats to draw free kicks. He’s like the Murali of the AFL
All led by a self indulged egomaniac as coach whose presided over 3 finals wins in 12 games.
They get wins in the home and away because they are the only team that gets to play in a tin arse stadium in front of a pack of unemployed yokels.
How can that possibly lead them anywhere near a flag?
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Ablett has had no defensive game for over 5 years
Hangs out the packs these days waiting cheap kicks out the back
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Ablett hasn't been the same since he did his shoulder at the Suns.
Danger's disposal has been exposed as ordinary in too many finals.
Dusty is clear No.1. Last 4 finals he's played he's been B.O.G.
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column today:
IF ... Dusty is already entrenched as an all-time great ...
THEN ... there's still a lot of scope to move up the pecking order. Six goals in a prelim would propel him up that list into really rare air.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/sliding-doors-finals-week-three
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column today:
IF ... Dusty is already entrenched as an all-time great ...
THEN ... there's still a lot of scope to move up the pecking order. Six goals in a prelim would propel him up that list into really rare air.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/sliding-doors-finals-week-three
WTF haha
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column today:
IF ... Dusty is already entrenched as an all-time great ...
THEN ... there's still a lot of scope to move up the pecking order. Six goals in a prelim would propel him up that list into really rare air.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-21/sliding-doors-finals-week-three
WTF haha
Apparently, Dusty winning a Brownlow, premiership and Norm Smith is not enough for Barrett :wallywink.
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Dusty is back early for pre-season training 🙌 #gotiges
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtI2J5kUwAAL_Wq.jpg)
https://twitter.com/TheTigerArmyAFL/status/1067975616589221889
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Nick Riewoldt on Dustin Martin:
“It’s a pretty easy one … he’s probably underpaid,” the six-time Saints B&F winner said.
“He had arguably the greatest season of all-time by a player where they went on and won the flag.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/03/06/worth-the-price-tag-riewoldt-breaks-down-the-six-highest-paid-players-in/
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Dustin Martin opened up about tattoos and past struggles
By Aidan Wondracz
For Daily Mail Australia
16 March 2018
Brownlow medalist Dustin Martin has opened up on his struggles with fame and mental health - and the therapeutic effects of a good house party.
Affectionately known by his fans as 'Dusty', the 27-year-old Richmond Tigers' superstar has historically stayed tight-lipped over his private life.
However, the All-Australian midfielder has broken that streak, revealing a darker episode with mental health issues.
'I woke with an empty feeling inside and it was really strange,' the inked-up Martin told Executive Style.
'I had everything I wanted and everything I dreamed of, but I didn't feel fulfilled or happy.'
Martin seems destined for the AFL Hall of Fame after he became the first player in history to complete the trifecta of a premiership, Brownlow Medal and Norm Smith medal in a single season in 2017.
Behind the publicity and glamour of his career, Martin openly admitted to a darker, lesser-known side of his life, saying 2018 was a difficult year for him due to the constant pressure of maintaining his peak performance.
Add his publicised controversies with feeling of an unfulfilled life - despite being surrounded with everything he wanted - Martin knew he was in trouble.
He made headlines in 2012 after he was suspended from the AFL for missing a compulsory training session after taking sleeping pills.
Three years later he was accused of threatening to stab a woman in the face with chopsticks - but was later cleared.
On top of that, his father Shane was deported to New Zealand in 2016 because of a criminal record and alleged motorcycle gang connections.
Not long ago news circulated he was dating singer and model Bonnie Anderson - though that rumour was quickly put to bed when she announced that she was in a relationship with a different man.
For Martin it has been a dangerous balancing act as he juggles his bad boy image with his playing prestige.
And while he remains closed-off about his private life, for the most part, his tattoos track his growth as a person from when he got his first ink at the age of 16.
'They're cheeky, funny; they're who I am and I love the imagery,' he said.
The phrase 'Live life' is inked across his knuckles as a constant reminder of life's fragility.
And rather than allow himself to spiral out of control with all of life's drama, Martin said he spoke out about his feelings - about the constant pressure to please his club and the crowds.
And he says the talking helped.
To keep himself in check, Martin took up daily meditation sessions and makes sure to sit in on yoga classes whenever he has free time.
Add his passion for reading - which he rediscovered during a spiritual hike through Ubud in Bali during the previous summer - to his new routine and Martin has struck the perfect balance to keep himself and his mind in top shape.
Though that's not to say the AFL superstar has taken on a monkish life, as he admits he still loves to be DJ at a house party with close friends.
Martin's latest love interest is said to be brunette beauty and Vivien's bikini model Elissa Burns - the couple were in New Zealand around the same time mid last year, as Ms Burns went for model duties, and Martin went to visit his father.
He is also a Bonds and vitamin brand Voost ambassador and sealed deals with watch group Kennedy, Jeep and Puma.
The support from his mother Kathy and grandmother Lois, who watch his game every weekend - has also helped to build a solid foundation underneath the AFL player.
And surrounded with good people, Martin has learned to sidestep any attempts of self-sabotage.
'You've got people pumping your tyres up all the time and it could easily go to my head,' he said.
And now he has set his sights on taking his team to another premiership. And for him, it's not all about winning.
For him, it's a game where you win some and lose some. Instead of letting the nerves get to him, he realises he is playing the game he loves.
And as Martin says, that has set him free.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6810925/Richmond-player-Dustin-Martin-opens-tattoos-rise-fame-struggles.html
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How Dustin Martin beat the blues with meditation and yoga
Jane Rocca
Executive Style, The Age
16 March 2019
Dustin Martin only needs to glance down to be reminded to "live life" to the full – the words are tattooed across his knuckles. But once you look past the tapestry of ink that weaves across his body, he's remarkably laid back.
"Fame hasn't changed me," says the 27-year-old Richmond star. "It's nice when friends who I haven't seen in ages say to me, 'Dustin, you haven't changed'. I'm still me, and I separate myself from Dustin Martin the footballer."
His relatively shy nature is surprising given the amount of attention he has received since becoming the first player in history to complete the trifecta of a premiership, Brownlow Medal and Norm Smith Medal in a single season two years ago. He's wary of those who want to break into his inner circle.
"You've got people pumping your tyres up all the time and it could easily go to my head," he admits. "But I have learned to not take it too seriously. I don't listen to the negative and don't let the positive get out of control. I am just about getting on with being who I am. I'm extremely grateful to be in a position where I can have a positive influence on young kids."
After the euphoria of 2017, Martin found himself at a crucial turning point in his life – after all the glory, something felt off. "I haven't told too many people this, but I found 2018 to be really hard," he says. "I woke with a weird empty feeling inside and it was really strange. I had everything I wanted and everything I dreamt of, but I didn't feel fulfilled or happy. I didn't know what was going on." Instead of going off the rails, Martin reached out for help.
"It made me realise what's important in life," he says. "Speaking up initially gave me more anxiety and depression as I kept wondering why I was feeling this way. I came to realise that the materialistic things in life don't rate; it's the small things that matter most."
Martin says he felt enormous pressure to maintain his winning streak after the 2017 season. "I started worrying about what others would say about me if I wasn't at that level anymore. I realised it doesn't matter what people think; if I just do my best, that's all I can do. I stopped worrying and I was suddenly free. It was small guided steps, but I learned to live my best life and not take on board what others think of me.
Mental health is a huge issue not only in sport, but in society. I would encourage anyone who is struggling with something big or small to have the courage to ask for help," he says.
Martin took up daily meditation sessions and sits in on a yoga class whenever his schedule allows. Over summer, he took off on a spiritual hike through Ubud in Bali, which allowed him to devote more time to his rediscovered love of reading, something he hadn't done much of since dropping out of school at 15.
"The big thing for me is reading books," Martin says. "It's something I never thought I'd do, but have done more of in the past 24 months, which I am really enjoying. It's all about learning about real things rather than bingeing on garbage TV." He's in the middle of Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now and has just finished Don Miguel Ruiz's The Four Agreements – a practical guide to personal freedom. He also loves to DJ. "I love a house party and being close with friends," he says. "That's my ideal environment away from sport."
Born in the small town of Castlemaine in country Victoria, Martin grew up with older brother, Bronson and younger brother, Tyson. From the age of five, Martin was all about football – the word is he even used to sleep with one for comfort as a toddler. Martin wasn't studious and describes himself as a "nuisance" student at Campbells Creek Primary School and Castlemaine High, where he finished in Year 9.
"I wasn't the greatest student to deal with, but some teachers saw I was a good sportsman and had lots of patience for me," he says. "I basically lived and breathed footy … I played AusKick and then footy at every recess and lunch break. You'd always find me on the school oval and then Saturdays I'd play too. From the backyard to the footy field, I didn't feel anything as passionately as I did for footy."
While much has been written about Martin's father Shane – who was deported to New Zealand right before his son played in the 2017 AFL Grand Final – it hasn't got in the way of their long-distance relationship. Martin flew over to see his dad just days after our interview. "My old man has always taught me to be real, genuine and authentic and caring towards others from family to strangers," Martin says. "He told me to be who I am and not anybody else. It has always stayed with me and I am still close to him."
Martin's mother Kathy and grandma Lois watch him play every weekend. "I was always with my maternal Nan and Pop growing up," he says. "We'd always be at their house and we've always been a close family."
Martin got his first tattoo at the age of 16 and only trusts Arn Lyons in Collingwood with a tattoo gun. "My tattoos are a reflection of me," he says. "They're cheeky, funny; they're who I am and I love the imagery," he says. From laughing clowns to DJ boxes, he points to his quad muscle showing his most recent work. "This one took two hours and I got Arn to stop 'cause it got too sore," he smiles.
For now, his focus is on footy and getting Richmond to another premiership. "It's a game; you win some and lose some," he says. "I used to work myself up and be real nervous to play, but when you think about it, you're playing a game you love and when you train your mind to see it that way, you free it up."
He is certainly in demand: a multimillion-dollar deal with Bonds has seen him stripped to his underwear in a new campaign with a live tiger. He's inked deals with vitamin brand Voost, watch group Kennedy, Jeep and Puma while signing a seven-year contract with Richmond Football Club. His career is carefully managed by showbiz and sports agent Ralph Carr, and when Martin posts a video on Instagram, he'll generate more than 80,000 views in a week, teasing his 260,000 followers into a frenzy.
"I don't really know why everyone is so intrigued by me; I just want to play footy, have fun with my friends," he says. "It's a cool feeling to be recognised when you go out, and it's something I have to get used to. I'm in a good place at the moment. I'm incredibly lucky to have such great teammates, we truly have something special at our club."
http://www.executivestyle.com.au/how-dustin-martin-beat-the-blues-with-meditation-and-yoga-h1bifz
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Ablett has had no defensive game for over 5 years
Hangs out the packs these days waiting cheap kicks out the back
As a coincidence, I just heard Malthouse on the ABC radio here in WA this morning taking football talkback.
Someone rang through and asked his thoughts on the fact that Geelong had the second highest rated midfield in the AFL at the moment (who gave them the rating was not made clear).
Apart from saying that these ratings are subjective (ie. meaningless) he analysed Geelong's midfield and said it was middle of the pack at best.
1. Geelong have tried to get the Holy Trinity in there, but the midfield seriously lacks balance.
2. Selwood is an absolute warrior who wills his team to win, still one of the best mids in the AFL
3. Dangerfield is a one way player. Great going forward, not good going back.
4. Ablett has no defensive side to his game whatsoever.
5. Reckons the Cats are very mediocre for ruckmen.
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Dusty reveals depression battle
Al Paton,
Herald Sun
17 March 2019
Richmond star Dustin Martin has revealed he reached out for help after struggling with anxiety and depression following his all-conquering 2017 AFL season.
Martin swept all before him in 2017, winning the Brownlow and Norm Smith Medals as the Tigers broke a 37-year premiership drought. But he struggled to back up that level of performance last season, and it took a bigger toll than previously known.
“I haven’t told too many people this, but I found 2018 to be really hard,” Martin said in an interview with The Age’s Executive Style magazine.
“I woke with a weird empty feeling inside and it was really strange. I had everything I wanted and everything I dreamt of, but I didn’t feel fulfilled or happy. I didn’t know what was going on.”
Martin said he started to worry what people would say about him if his form didn’t match his 2017 heights, and found solace in daily meditation sessions and a rediscovered love of reading.
“It made me realise what’s important in life,” he said. “Speaking up initially gave me more anxiety and depression as I kept wondering why I was feeling this way. I came to realise that the materialistic things in life don’t rate; it’s the small things that matter most.
“I realised it doesn’t matter what people think. If I just do my best, that’s all I can do. I stopped worrying and I was suddenly free.
“It was small guided steps, but I learned to live my best life and not take on board what others think of me.
“Mental health is a huge issue not only in sport, but in society. I would encourage anyone who is struggling with something big or small to have the courage to ask for help.”
People seeking help for mental health problems can call Lifeline on 13 11 14, Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36 or Kid’s Helpline on 1800 55 1800
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-reveals-he-battled-depression-during-2018-season/news-story/fb7cbcf98b82140082f773e94d853c80
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Grimes lauded Dustin Martin’s courage in publicly voicing his battle with mental health issues over the weekend, with the Brownlow Medallist open about his issues to his teammates.
Remarkably, he said Martin was in better shape than he had seen him in his time at the club.
“He seems to be in the best space of his whole career. We got drafted together and in my opinion he’s fitter than this time last year and stronger as well. I am pretty convinced he will have a terrific year,’’ he said.
“Every player goes through the highs and lows of football and it’s incredibly courageous of him to not only stand up in front of the media but also his teammates and voice the struggles he has had. I am sure he is a stronger person this year because of it.”
Source: The Age (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/tom-lynch-amazes-teammate-dylan-grimes-as-richmond-recruit-nears-tigers-debut/news-story/c15c8f7322ce530c2adaa365c83408d4)
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Dusty Martin charges into Tigers' season opener
AAP
21 March 2019
Boom Richmond recruit Tom Lynch has hogged the headlines but Tigers fans have another reason to be excited about the coming AFL season: just quietly, Dusty is in the best shape of his career.
After taking all before him in 2017, Dustin Martin struggled with a sore knee late last year and recently revealed he also battled anxiety during the Tigers’ premiership campaign that ended in a preliminary final loss.
No one’s suggesting he’s about to win a Brownlow Medal and a Norm Smith Medal in a premiership team as he did two years ago, but the 27-year-old is ready to hit the 2019 season at full pace.
“It’s pretty hard to emulate that 2017 season … I’ve been in footy for a long time and I don’t think I’ve seen anything quite like it, to be fair,” coach Damien Hardwick replied when asked if Martin can reach the same heights this season.
“If he gets anywhere near those lofty standards we’ll be very happy.
“But he’s in fantastic nick at the moment, as good a nick as he’s been in and probably even better than that season, so we’re really happy with him.”
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/03/21/dusty-martin-charges-into-tigers-season-opener/
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Hes been terrible tonight. I cant recall him ever playing such a bad game.
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Hes been terrible tonight. I cant recall him ever playing such a bad game.
Surprising too as Dusty seemed to be on and back to near his best during the JLT. Actually it was similar to the Prelim in some ways. His kicking really was off and he got caught a few times.
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I reckon his knee issue might be troubling him
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Played like a millionairre but was hardly Robinson Crusoe in that regard...his most notable Friday funnily enough but not surprisingy, being Butler.....and he still stepped up in the last when the match needed putting away....
:shh
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Definitely a below average game for his standards. He was good in patches but not what you expect from a player of his calibre. Dropping marks and missing targets is just not vintage dusty.
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Poor game, extremely poor
Final qtr was reasonable but the others, poor
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His don’t argues are being heavily argued at the moment
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Looked totally flat and disinterested to me, maybe just had his mind on other things, having said that his game stats would be greatly accepted by the majority of midfielders in the competition.
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This bloke is a star and last night frustrated the hell out of me like some other of his games.
Do you ppl think he would get a spray for his defensive efforts? We know that his defensive efforts aren't great but last night just seemed to be one of the worst.
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Reminded me a bit of a world class batsman that was out of form last night. Just missing shots he’d normally smack for four, couldn’t work the strike.
But when the chase got a little tight he managed to get some crucial runs to keep us ahead of the run rate.
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First game of the year...mmm relax people
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The footy shows last night spoke about Dusty. They mentioned since Yeo worked out to slap Dusty's arm before trying to tackle him, all of Dusty's opponents are now copying the technique and Dusty's "don't argues" aren't effective anymore. He's getting caught now more often than not.
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Too many crap talkers on a Monday night IMO.
I think I saw a couple that oppos couldn't stop. Was caught holding the ball twice on Thursday night.
More often that not SMH!!
I also think I saw a KMAC don't argue and Cotch has 2 or 3 a game also. Seeing as they most likely been taught by DM why weren't they stopped?
I love Monday night reviews!
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Looked totally flat and disinterested to me, maybe just had his mind on other things, having said that his game stats would be greatly accepted by the majority of midfielders in the competition.
30 disposals in a winning team and the rating is he had one of his poorest games.
zero tackles and zero goals doesn't help the rating
Martin has had zero tackles and zero goals on 3 previous occasions. All losses
2015 Elimination final v Norf with 23 disposals
2016 Round 18 v Hawthorn with 39 disposals
2018 Round 9 v West Coast with 26 disposals
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I notice his dont argues are far less effective than they used to be. Opposition players have worked out how to counter it.
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Society as a whole are almost conditioned to only retain what is perceived as a negative/fault/error so it's easy to overlook the positives. The match played on Thursday night was under extremely tough conditions with 90% humidity which is energy sapping. Creative, risk taking ball players are always going to make some mistakes but when they come off and create the play it's magic. Some positives: 15 contested possessions (2nd), game high 11 score involvements, 628 metres gained (2nd), game high 7 inside 50s plus 1 coaches vote.
CARLTON v RICHMOND
10 Trent Cotchin (RICH)
8 Kane Lambert (RICH)
6 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Toby Nankervis (RICH)
1 Kamdyn McIntosh (RICH)
1 Dustin Martin (RICH)
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One of the times he got caught holding the ball was when we were breaking 3 on 1 through the middle and he bounced the ball thinking the carlton defender would be guarding the 2 free men and was immediately tackled - no failure of his dont argue there.
There were 2-3 times he did get caught when he tried to fend off but those most likely would have failed in his 2017 year given he was in the middle of a pack. Breaking away from a pack i doubt anything has changed.
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One of the times he got caught holding the ball was when we were breaking 3 on 1 through the middle and he bounced the ball thinking the carlton defender would be guarding the 2 free men and was immediately tackled - no failure of his dont argue there.
There were 2-3 times he did get caught when he tried to fend off but those most likely would have failed in his 2017 year given he was in the middle of a pack. Breaking away from a pack i doubt anything has changed.
Let's count how many times he gets tackled to not getting pinned this week.
I think Pies are gonna have some serious problems this week. lol
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I thought he was poor last week by his lofty standards.
Ball use and decision making weren’t great IMO.
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Playing like he is carrying some injury. Just doesn't appear to have the power in his movement that he use to have. The 'don't argue' certainly isn't effective anymore. Also when your form isn't great you don't pull out the cute kicks when you have a set shot 25m out. Stick to doing the basics right and then build up your form from there.
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Agree, needs to go back to basics. Needs to aim for 10 tackles in his next game.
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Let’s not go overboard with the set shot. He will always always take a snap from that angle whether in horrible or great form.
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Fast becoming a liability!
Has runs in the board but Geez really needs to pick up his game :-\
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I feel like the ‘best player in the comp’ tag is in his head. He wants to do the tricky kicks but he’s not hunting the ball like he was in 17. Needs to get back to basics.
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Currentky playing like a millionaire - laconic at best, disinterested at worst... :shh
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Stop making excuses that he is injured
You could see it last week teams have worked him out.
He hasn't been that player for about a dozen games now
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Sorry guys his on the big bucks now we fought tooth and neck to keep him not performing at all don't want to hear exuses.To cute at times and doesn't want to keep it simple for starters.
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Sorry guys his on the big bucks now we fought tooth and neck to keep him not performing at all don't want yo hear exuses.To cute at times and doesn't want to keep it simple for starters.
Agreed.
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^^this.
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Playing he's a millionaire (which he is!). Almost needs to be dropped like a few of his mates to jolt him into action. Some players seem too comfortable at the moment.
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I complained about his defensive pressure after last weeks games.
0 tackles in 2 weeks.
Back to basics champ.
Everyone goes through a form slump, but to get out of it you need to go back to basics!
Try and lay 5 to 10 tackles.
Try and hit targets up the line instead of trying to pin point a spear pass 50m away across half back.
Give first option instead of trying to break the tackles.
Do the above, get your confidence back sky high and start to repeat 2017 form!
The guy is a champ, he'll be fine. Just needs to get out of the slump he is in. And WE need him to do that ASAP
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His arrogant missed check side goal attempt in quarter 3 was the turning point in last night's game.
Professional players should at least be attempting drop punts from there.
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Trade to GWS for Cognilio & Kelly.... :shh
Wonder if Labor will let Shane back in? :shh :shh
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Dusty's form is why no player should be offered more than a 4 yr term. Just promotes a bit of laziness.
He needs a big lift and change of attitude. ie improved defensive pressure
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Playing he's a millionaire (which he is!). Almost needs to be dropped like a few of his mates to jolt him into action. Some players seem too comfortable at the moment.
The last thing he needs is to be dropped.
He’s a champion who needs a confidence boost - i would put him deep in the forward line from the start of the game to let him nail a couple of one on one contests. Might be needed anyway with Jack out for a month.
He’ll be back before we know it.
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Playing he's a millionaire (which he is!). Almost needs to be dropped like a few of his mates to jolt him into action. Some players seem too comfortable at the moment.
The last thing he needs is to be dropped.
He’s a champion who needs a confidence boost - i would put him deep in the forward line from the start of the game to let him nail a couple of one on one contests. Might be needed anyway with Jack out for a month.
He’ll be back before we know it.
I hope so because he is the team's barometer.... :shh
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What is wrong with Dusty?
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What is wrong with Dusty?
He is to caught up counting the $15k a quarter he gets . Considering he spends 5mins on rotation, works out to $1000 a minute for actual playing . Good gig to get .
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He is to caught up counting the $15k a quarter he gets . Considering he spends 5mins on rotation, works out to $1000 a minute for actual playing . Good gig to get .
Such a misleading way to work it out. It's a full time job, not 15 mins a quarter.
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De Goey is the new Dusty.
We should’ve gone after him when we had the chance.
I think we’ve seen the best of Dusty 2017
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Dusty couldnt give a toss...he did what he had to do in 2017 and set up the rest of his life financially..
won a prem won the brownlow, a norm smith...what more does he need?
what??? do people really believe he cares anymore about winning or losing??? IMO its "job done" as far as he and his old man are concerned
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Dusty couldnt give a toss...he did what he had to do in 2017 and set up the rest of his life financially..
won a prem won the brownlow, a norm smith...what more does he need?
what??? do people really believe he cares anymore about winning or losing??? IMO its "job done" as far as he and his old man are concerned
Can well and truly add this guy to the famous doom and gloom poster group on this forum
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Yeah right he doesn't care. Dusty does but his form is the issue.
As for degoey being the new dusty. stuff me give me a break. No flags No Brownlow means he is about as good as Greg Tivendale
Let's talk if they win a flag
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He is playing with an injury IMHO.
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He is playing with an injury IMHO.
I don’t believe it. He’s just not trying as hard. Looks to be giving up too easy, won’t run and chase like his life depends on it.
Call it premiership hangover or maybe a case of multimillionairitis. :rollin
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He is playing with an injury IMHO.
I don’t believe it. He’s just not trying as hard. Looks to be giving up too easy, won’t run and chase like his life depends on it.
Call it premiership hangover or maybe a case of multimillionairitis. :rollin
If injured rest him, if not drop him to vfl, but ITITC, Hardwick wouldn't have the cojones
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Yeah right let’s drop our best player because he was horrible like 15+ other players on Thursday......
Even in his “poor” round 1 showing he was in our best 5 players.
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Yeah right let’s drop our best player because he was horrible like 15+ other players on Thursday......
Even in his “poor” round 1 showing he was in our best 5 players.
I’d start him in the square next week
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Yeah right let’s drop our best player because he was horrible like 15+ other players on Thursday......
Even in his “poor” round 1 showing he was in our best 5 players.
yep
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Yeah right let’s drop our best player because he was horrible like 15+ other players on Thursday......
Even in his “poor” round 1 showing he was in our best 5 players.
Sends a great message, no defensive pressure, no tackles, but if that is what you think, I guess you must be correct.
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Yeah right let’s drop our best player because he was horrible like 15+ other players on Thursday......
Even in his “poor” round 1 showing he was in our best 5 players.
He was putrid in round one as well ::)
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Yeah right let’s drop our best player because he was horrible like 15+ other players on Thursday......
Even in his “poor” round 1 showing he was in our best 5 players.
Sends a great message, no defensive pressure, no tackles, but if that is what you think, I guess you must be correct.
How about instead of sacrificing dusty to send “a great message” to the rest of the players that no1 is unstoppable you just drop the players who are playing horribly and if dusty ever manages to be in our worst 4-6 players for a sustained period of time then by all means send him to the 2s.
His putridness in round 1 was still good for third most possessions. 2nd most contested possessions, most score involvements, most inside 50s, second most metres gained and fourth most clearances. Yes his kicking efficiency and defensive pressure was poor and almost non existent but if that’s a droppable performance than were not gonna have many players left.
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I think dusty has enough runs on the board to allow him to break out of the slump. The guy was a key factor of when we won 9 in a row to make finals, the only reason we were remotely watchable in 2016 and of course slayed it to bring us a premiership to break the drought.
He was exceptional last year also and I get the frustration. Where has his form gone? But stuff me dead half the team or should I say half the comp wouldn't get the attention dusty gets and he can break games open so no I don't think the solution is to drop your best player when things don't go to plan.
I suppose Rance should have been playing vfl when he lost to Harry Taylor late in 2017?
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It was a pathetic team effort after what they did to us in the last game in 2018. To come out and give nothing (apart from 3) was incredible really.
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Can’t believe we have lost to those ... twice in a row with Dusty clearly injured!
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IMO only.... he'll be given an extended break soon to deal with "mental issues"....nice break in NZ
maybe cynical....but i dont think Dusty is a Selwood type...someone who lives for football
set for life now....doesn't give a rats
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Dusty: ‘Dad, I need to get help’
Shane Martin,
Sunday Herald Sun
31 March 2019
In his book A Rebel In Exile, Dustin Martin’s dad Shane on the day his AFL star son asked for help with depression, keeping him out of trouble and tattoos.
As the first game of the season rolled around he was named in the team for the first match. It was a home game at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.
That morning Dusty was bloody nervous. I said, ‘Don’t worry, mate, it’s just footy. Relax and enjoy it.’
But to be perfectly honest, I needed to take my own advice. I’m not an overly emotional bloke but I was as nervous as he was, I reckon, but I was being calm for him.
Kathy and I went to the ground together, and we were given seats by the club.
They have an area set aside for players who aren’t in the team that day and family members or loved ones of the club.
They were the best seats in the house, right up close to the action.
Here I was at the ‘G with thousands of people cheering on my boy.
Dusty played well, but his team copped a 56-point hiding.
After one game that year he said to me, “Dad, I’m thinking of getting a tattoo.”
I said, “You’re old enough to do as you please, Dust.’ I mean, I’m covered in the bloody things, so it would be a bit rich for me to say, ‘Nah, mate, forget about it.’ “
“I want the ‘Live Free, Die Free’ that you’ve got on your arm.”
At that point I didn’t know whether to be flattered or what.
“Son, you make your own decision. Think about it and if that’s what you want then go for it.” He was going to do it anyway, so there’s no point fighting about it.
His mother wasn’t too happy.
He got the tattoo on his rib cage. Bloody big letters, too. Poor Kathy didn’t know that was just to be the beginning of his ink.
In the end he got two more that were the same as mine, both of them linking to my Maori heritage.
I don’t make a big deal of being Maori. I figure people are people, but it’s a part of who I am and where I come from, so I had Ngati Maru — which is my iwi, or tribe — and Matai Whetu — which is the name of my marae — tattooed on my neck.
I did caution him against the neck, mostly because I knew his mum would have a fit, but again, he’s his own man.
Sure enough, he got it done.
Those tattoos don’t change who he is. They don’t make him a better or worse man. And they don’t hurt anyone else. Given that, they are his decision and nobody’s business.
But I still did feel a bit for Kathy. Mums see these things a bit differently.
But certainly the tattoos didn’t hurt his footy.
In his second season he began to really take off. I never missed a match, and I travelled all around the country to watch him.
In a game against Melbourne he scored four goals himself and had thirty-three disposals.
He topped that effort just a couple of weeks later and some in the media were already saying he should be considered for the All Australian team.
But for all of the signs that his career was skyrocketing Dusty was never too far from being in the news for something stupid.
In 2012, he and his buddy Daniel Connors came unstuck when they missed training after a big night out.
The f---ing idiots had taken sleeping pills after an all-night bender.
Connors was kicked out of the club completely because it wasn’t the first time he’d been in trouble, and Dusty was suspended for two weeks.
I got a call from his manager and next thing I was flying down there. I gave him a fair bloody drilling over that.
“Stop acting like a clown. You’ll f--- up this thing that you love if you don’t pull your bloody head in!”
Once again, it wasn’t the last time we’d have that conversation. Honestly, for a kid who made me the proudest man in the world, he could be a pain in the arse.
But one of his issues was not of his own making. A thing many people don’t know is that Dusty has had a few struggles with mental health.
One day I got a call from him. “Dad, I’m getting bad anxiety, I need to get help. Can you come with me to the doctor?”
You might think that this isn’t a call you want to get from your kid, but in some ways it’s exactly the call you want. If they don’t call you, that’s when you’ve got problems. I said to him, “Of course I’ll come, mate.”
“Don’t tell anyone, Dad.”
“All good, but don’t be ashamed of it. You’re more of a man for admitting it and doing something about it.”
So we headed to a psychologist or whatever and eventually he was put on some medication for anxiety and depression.
We were worried that the drugs might affect his ability with football, but the psychologist was really good and very clear that it had nothing to do with any of that.
It’s just a chemical imbalance in the body, he said.
Those drugs didn’t hurt his skills, and they helped by making his life easier.
Depression and anxiety are pretty common as I discovered. Dusty now knows it’s nothing to be ashamed of.
People suffering need to know that help is available. If you have problems in those areas or know somebody who does, get along to the doctor and chances are they’ll see you right.
In 2013, Dusty was back in the headlines for reasons other than football.
During a loss in the elimination final he put his wrists together after scoring a goal as if he were in handcuffs.
It became known as the ‘jailhouse salute’ and it created a hell of a lot of drama.
Some people just really love to get upset.
Dusty knew a guy in prison — he was actually a mate of mine — and he’d used the gesture to say ‘hi, bro’ at a time when he knew the cameras would catch it.
I’m happy to give Dusty grief when he’s done wrong, but what’s wrong with saying g’day to a mate, even if he is in the can?
Just because a bloke gets locked up, that doesn’t mean you ignore him or don’t give him support.
People can have different views on that, and that’s fine, but I’m not knocking Dusty for that one.
Your mates are your mates and you stand by them through thick and thin.
While I did say he shouldn’t do it again, it seems he always wanted to do something with his hands.
In 2015, in a big win over Collingwood, he celebrated a goal by giving the fingers to some opposition fans who were heckling him from the stands.
In the heat of the moment I’d probably have done the same thing, if I’m honest.
But it was an incident off the field that nearly derailed him. After the end of the 2015 season, Dusty and a few of his friends went out for dinner to a Japanese restaurant in Windsor. They’d been at a music festival that day and he’d had a few beers.
A dispute erupted and Dusty was being a bit rowdy at the bar. Some woman told him to quieten down and he took exception to her butting in.
Undoubtedly he acted like a idiot, but the woman made some really serious allegations. She said he had threatened to stab her in the face with a chopstick, and had stood over her and slammed his hand into a wall.
The woman knew who he was and complained to the club and it soon escalated, becoming a police matter, and some famous former players were saying he should be banned for a year and made to pay thousands to a women’s charity.
I’m not going to defend Dusty for acting like an idiot, but the allegation didn’t seem right to me.
Who the hell threatens anyone with a chopstick? If you’re going to threaten somebody, use something a bit more effective than that.
But seriously, he’s not a person who would abuse a woman like that.
He told me it was blown out of proportion and I believed him.
I thought Richmond could have backed him a bit better than they did. The club got him to immediately apologise to the woman, and while it was good to do that because he acted poorly, he denied the serious allegations, and that needs to be remembered.
After the police investigated the matter — including looking at all the CCTV footage — they concluded no criminal offence had taken place.
Even still, his behaviour was no good and I was having another little chat to him.
This time I think was the last. At least I hope so.
One person I have to mention here is Dusty’s manager, Ralph Carr.
Ralph has been with Dusty from the start.
He’s a top bloke and he’s like family to Dustin.
On financial matters around contracts and the like, Dusty will always ask my advice, but Ralph’s is front and centre.
Many times when Dusty has gone off the rails, Ralph has been sitting beside me when I talk with him. He’s had plenty of those conversations without me too.
Not only do I like the bloke, I’m incredibly grateful for what he’s done for my son.
It’s easy to dwell a bit long on the controversies but they were only interludes in his life.
He wasn’t a great talker on camera and he wasn’t fussed by the media, which didn’t help, but people could tell he was a good guy, I think.
And as for his footy, he was getting better and better.
And in a short while he was going to prove himself to be the best.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/shane-martin-on-dustins-battle-with-depression/news-story/91ed9c9c8ba71bf713b8fa71f5dd0d5a
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Robbo: Tigers’ season hinges on Dusty rebound
MARK ROBINSON,
Herald Sun
1 April 2019
The problem is, having lost bookends Alex Rance for the season and Jack Riewoldt for at least a month, Martin seemingly has lost his magic.
He was curtailed by his bogeyman, Collingwood’s Levi Greenwood, on Thursday night.
He had 19 touches, but many were pedestrian and not the surging, match-breaking touches which generally underpins his performance.
He attempted a couple of miracle kicks, one a switch into middle, which missed its mark by several metres.
That’s unlike Martin.
Much will be asked of the 2017 Brownlow Medallist now that Rance and Riewoldt are out, and even more so this week with Dylan Grimes suspended for a match for lifting a forearm into the face of Jamie Elliott. The incident was unlike Grimes.
The frightful start to the season in terms of injury puts the spotlight on Richmond as a club and Martin as one its leaders.
The banged-up Tigers play Greater Western Sydney next weekend. Then it’s Port Adelaide away, Sydney at Marvel and Melbourne at the MCG on Anzac eve.
Martin looked a forlorn figure against the Magpies and when the game was wavering between the second and third quarters, the obvious question was: Where’s Dusty?
When the game ripped apart in the final 15 minutes, it begged another question: What’s happened to Dusty?
His stunning 2017 season probably won’t be repeated. His 2018 season had its mental challenges, as Martin has revealed, and his form tapered from superhuman to very good.
In Round 1 this year, he had 30 touches against Carlton. But now it gets harder.
Skipper Trent Cotchin lamented the tackling numbers against the Pies. Just 32 in total.
“I looked up in the last quarter and we hadn’t had too many tackles,’’ he said.
Martin had zero. In Round 1, he also had zero.
He’s never been a high-pressure player. In 2017, he laid 88 tackles in 25 games. In 2018, it was 48 in 23 games.
His pressure points were 37.4 in 2017. They are at 15.5 in 2019.
Of course, the explosive creators are always tagged, so they spend much of their time trying to find space and opportunity, rather than opponents with the ball.
Still, there has to be an improvement on zero tackles.
The tackling numbers were woeful on Thursday night because the Tigers were denied their pressure game, a tactic which probably will be adopted by other clubs this season.
They will stick to the “Richmond system’’, coach Damien Hardwick said in the post-match, but there will have to be adjustments. Maybe less spatial defence and more man-on-man, so a repeat of Collingwood’s high ball use won’t catch them out again.
Where Martin fits in to all this only time will tell. Richmond’s pressure has allowed Martin to play ballistic offence, which is his natural asset, but times are changing in football. What Richmond had over the competition for almost two years has been exposed and, in two of their past three games, nullified.
Does Hardwick ask Martin to defend more, or does he fix the system to allow Martin to continue to freewheel?
So, the challenge is on Martin over the coming period.
The bookends are gone, a restructure is needed at both ends and in the middle, seeing as Riewoldt was the second ruck, and that all equates to the remaining leaders needing to take control through these unusually turbulent times.
That means Martin has to find his mojo in defence and attack and quickly.
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Dusty’s tackling pressure hasn’t been to its usual standard.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/richmond-needs-dustin-martin-at-his-best-but-tigers-superstar-hasnt-started-2019-at-usual-level/news-story/3345f5d7074d0b0cc96a1d4dc91d5f84
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Dustin Martin is paid $1.2 million a year and played like a $500,000 player. He has to involve himself in the game, as pointed out by Leigh Matthews on Channel 7 yesterday.
“He looks like he’s off the ball when it comes to him being destructive,” Matthews said.
“His ball-winning and ability to fend off the tackle and get into space and create that Richmond overlap run, we’re not seeing at the moment.”
Because Martin doesn’t really defend and Tommy Lynch is one of the worst defensive forwards in the competition, when both are in the forward 50m it can create an issue.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-for-round-2-of-afl-action/news-story/fd65c98ca163a846d32d162ce24d6e4e
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Get back to basics should be Dimmas instructions not this fancy stuff and spend more time in the guts.
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Is he Injured?
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Richmond’s Dustin Martin did not do enough to influence last night’s Round 2 clash with Collingwood, according to veteran journalist Mike Sheahan.
The 2017 Brownlow and Norm Smith Medallist had just 19 disposals, two inside 50s and zero tackles in the 44-point defeat to the Magpies at the MCG.
Levi Greenwood did a great job of negating Martin’s impact but the Tigers superstar could have done more to get himself into the game says Sheahan.
“I think Dustin Martin’s off,” he said on SEN Breakfast.
“He’s the bloke who turns the game more than anyone else in the competition and he’s not doing it.
“When you are the best player in the competition, you live with that (close attention).
“Dustin didn’t work hard enough.
“There are high standards expected of blokes who are the best players in the comp and he’s on $1.2 million a year.
“I’m not being picky on him. I’m just saying, when you are that good, you have to fight through that situation.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/03/29/richmond-star-martin-did-not-work-hard-enough-sheahan/
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Can feel a "mental health break" coming for Dustin at some point this year.....:shh
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Can feel a "mental health break" coming for Dustin at some point this year.....:shh
All for it if it helps him get back to his best.
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We're not paying him over 1mill per season to stuff off to NZ....:shh
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If he waits until after the election he'll only need to pee off to Wetherill Park.... :shh
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We're not paying him over 1mill per season to stuff off to NZ....:shh
No, we are paying him to perform. No use having him out on the field if he isn't performing due to struggles.
We don't forced injured players on the ground just because "We aren't paying them for them to not play' why force those facing mental struggles?
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Who said he's currently facing mental struggles.....:shh
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Father of Dusty Martin reveals why son turned down whopping AFL deal
By Zoe Zaczek
For Daily Mail Australia
Ex-bikie father of AFL superstar Dusty Martin reveals why his son turned down the biggest contract in the league's history - and says he was too drunk to join in on early negotiations
Dustin Martin's father has revealed how his son battled contract negotiations
Shane Martin has released book which details his relationship with AFL star son
Shane writes that the Richmond boss came to visit him in New Zealand in 2017
Former bikie admitted he was too drunk to meet with Neil Balme to talk business
Dustin was offered a whopping $12million over seven years by North Melbourne
Updated: 11:54 AEDT, 2 April 2019
Shane Martin, who was deported from Australia in 2016, has admitted in a new book that he was too drunk to help his son negotiate contract deals with Richmond Tigers and North Melbourne.
The former Rebels bikie gang member, who lives in New Zealand, was paid a visit by Richmond boss Neil Balme as the season edged towards a close in August 2017.
Dustin has won the Brownlow Medal as the AFL's best player and a premiership in his impressive career with Richmond.
Mr Balme wanted to secure Dustin for the next season despite North Melbourne throwing exorbitant amounts of cash in his direction, Fox Sports reported.
'I was on the pee,' Shane writes about Mr Balme's visit to New Zealand in book A Rebel In Exile.
'This is going to sound like I was choosing getting on the booze over this huge decision, but it wasn't like that at all.'
Shane explained he had settled in to watch Floyd Mayweather's fight against Conor McGregor and if he was given more notice he would have invited Mr Balme around in a 'heartbeat'.
'I wasn't going to a meeting like that half-cut. That would be crazy,' he wrote.
But Mr Balme returned to Melbourne without meeting Shane and Dustin was left to battle one of the biggest decisions of his career.
Dustin then visited his father in Auckland and the pair, along with his manager Ralph Carr, weighed up the two contract offerings on a whiteboard.
Shane admitted his son (right in Bonds campaign) struggled to decide between Richmond and North Melbourne
Shane revealed that North Melbourne was offering Dustin $12million over seven years while Richmond were only able to offer just under $10million.
The decision-making went back and forth and the father and son understood that Richmond were desperately keen to keep the Brownlow medalist despite being unable to match North Melbourne.
'People have asked me what side I was on and my answer is always the same: I was on Dusty's side … in the end, Dusty couldn't leave Richmond, and he turned his back on the richest contract offer in AFL history. I was proud of his decision,' Shane wrote.
Based on Shane's revelation, Dustin would have been earning just under $2million per year if he signed with North Melbourne.
Only six AFL players are understood to have made over a million in the 2018 season, including Sydney Swans star Buddy Franklin who signed a nine-year, $10million deal.
A Rebel In Exile details Shane's experiences in one of Australia's most notorious bikie gangs, his deportation from Australia and his family relationships - most notably with AFL superstar Dustin.
Shane also documented the time his 27-year-old son asked him for help with a mental health struggle
'Dad, I'm getting bad anxiety, I need to get help. Can you come with me to the doctor?' Dustin said, Shane wrote in an extract of his book published in The Herald Sun.
While Shane told Dustin 'of course' he'll come, Dustin responded by asking his father to keep his revelation private.
Dustin was prescribed medication to treat anxiety and depression, which did not alter his ability to play football but actually made his life much easier.
'Depression and anxiety are pretty common as I discovered. Dusty now knows it's nothing to be ashamed of,' Shane wrote.
Dustin has won the Brownlow Medal as the AFL's best player and a premiership in his impressive career with Richmond.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6874803/Bikie-father-AFL-star-Dusty-Martin-reveals-turned-biggest-contract-history.html
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Leppitsch defended gun midfielder Dustin Martin, who is yet to lay a tackle in two games.
"His ball-winning ability and what he does around the contest can't be underestimated - it's such a big thing for us," Leppitsch said.
"There's other guys in our team who are there to tackle that haven't been doing it so collectively as a group we need to lift, it's not just one person."
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/richmond-players-need-to-lift-leppitsch
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Dusty played RFC beautifully
just like a casual employ who works his/her ass off in order to get a full time position
and once they become full time they suddenly seem to lose their work ethic and care for the job!!
only now there's not much the employer can do
:cheers
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Yeah and pretty damn cunning of him to wait until the second year of his contract to start bludging in order to not make it look so obvious.... :shh
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Mate the way your banging on about dusty is embarrassing. Atleast get a bigger sample size than 2 games before you start writing off the remaining 6 years of his contract.
If your looking for a repeat of 2017, well no player in the games history has ever managed what he pulled off that year so to expect him to do it again is pretty unreasonable.
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I always felt lynching our cream was poor form. Yes they need to be held accountable but when someone like Dusty is getting tagged by 3 players what are the other 2 free RFC players doing?
Leppitch is right. It's a team game. Yes we get a lot of plays and goals through Dusty bursting through the middle but some.of you are suggesting that if Dusty doesn't poll 60 Brownlow votes this year he is taking us for a ride
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its not about bagging Dusty for the heck of it....Dangerfield plays a similar role...still managed 7 tackles last night
1+ million a year and youre not prepared to lay 1 freaken tackle??? are you kidding or what?
are you just cruising around like a rolls royce? you might be getting tagged or having a stinker but you can still do the 1% cant you?
Of course he's going to get scrutinised more than others...he gets paid twice as much. It goes with the territory
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Hey as an aside I never hear of Dustys girl friend in the media. Does he have a girl or is he the new Thorpedo?
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Hey as an aside I never hear of Dustys girl friend in the media. Does he have a girl or is he the new Thorpedo?
None of your business, shut this sort of discussion down.
Very bad form tdy
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:lol
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Hey as an aside I never hear of Dustys girl friend in the media. Does he have a girl or is he the new Thorpedo?
None of your business, shut this sort of discussion down.
Very bad form tdy
Exactly. Who cares what he is doing in his own personal life?
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tdy isn't breaking any rules....
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tdy isn't breaking any rules....
True but it still doesn't matter what he does in his own time away from footy....
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Tackling Dusty: Have opponents discovered how to subdue Martin?
Daniel Cherny
The Age
5 April 2019
Martin won the Brownlow Medal, the Norm Smith Medal and reached iconic status as a Richmond premiership hero.
He was still an All-Australian last year, and also polled 19 Brownlow votes, but his air of invincibility gradually wore off. Unquestionably he remained elite, but he couldn't scale 2017's heights.
Two rounds into 2019, critics are chipping away at his status. Martin had 30 disposals in the opening-round win over Carlton and picked up one coaches' association MVP vote, but was uncharacteristically brought down in a tackle by Blues youngster Zac Fisher.
The following Monday night, Nine's Footy Classified pondered whether opposition clubs had figured out how to stop Martin's trademark fend-off, showing footage of Fisher employing a pre-emptive slap to Martin, which host Craig Hutchinson suggested had been pioneered by West Coast's Elliot Yeo in a game last year.
Then in the second-round loss to Collingwood, Martin was restricted to 18 disposals by Magpies stopper Levi Greenwood, who had also helped curtail Martin in last year's preliminary final.
But Martin's offensive struggles were arguably less of a talking point than the fact he was offering very little defensively, having not laid a tackle in the first two rounds of 2019.
Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch laughed during the week when asked if he was surprised that Martin hadn't applied a tackle this season, suggesting it had come as no great shock.
But Leppitsch tried to deflect the blowtorch onto other Tigers whose roles centre more on defence, given Richmond laid just 32 tackles overall against Collingwood.
"[Martin's] ball-winning ability and what he does around the contest can't be underestimated – it's such a big thing for us," Leppitsch said.
"There's other guys in our team that are there to tackle that haven't been doing it, so collectively as a group we need to lift. It's not just one particular person."
"Everyone gets looked at differently. Dustin's not there to go to full-back and spoil. Everyone has different parts of their game they've got to do.
"We are graded differently in a lot of ways. But he still has to join in when it's his turn, don't get me wrong."
Asked to assess Martin's start to the season, an assistant coach from a rival club commented: "Dusty is an interesting one. His role has changed slightly. He isn't a true midfielder, he is a forward who goes to stoppages.
"If you watch his work in general play, he [heads] forward of the ball. His work defensively is non-existent. I think he had five disposals inside defensive 50 last year! He hasn't had a possession in D50 this year."
His work defensively is non-existent.
An AFL assistant coach
Champion Data stats back up that assertion. Along with his empty tackles column, Martin is also yet to kick a goal this year despite routinely starting at centre bounces (he is ranked second at the club for centre-bounce attendances, Cotchin is first) before heading forward.
An opposition perception about Martin's lack of tackling was intriguing.
"Zero tackles so far this year ... for someone who spends a lot of time at stoppage is baffling. To me it shows either [his] changed role and his coaches don't expect that of him or [that] he's weighting his game on the offensive things too much. I would be surprised if it's [the former]," the coach said.
"He's getting less of the ball because of his role change but I still think he tries to do too much with every possession instead of doing the basics."
How Martin responds to this period looms as one of the fascinating subplots of the season.
Martin's manager Ralph Carr is backing his client to succeed.
"Dustin is a champion of the AFL game and has a lot of pride in his game and treasures playing for the Richmond Football Club … I have never seen him fitter or more determined to play great football," Carr said.
"If you look at Dustin's nine years with Richmond he has maintained an honourable consistency."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tackling-dusty-have-opponents-discovered-how-to-subdue-martin-20190404-p51awb.html
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A catch 22 at the minute. Dusty is being well held in the midfield (not working hard and smart enough?) but moving him forward doesn't help as the ball doesn't get down there with any quality. That free off the ball he gave away due to being frustrated came at a key moment too.
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Not enough guys protecting him to I reckon,but just not working hard enough keeping it basic to.
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At this moment in time - Dusty is playing like one of the most overrated players in football.
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Give me more: Barrett calls out the players who need to lift
Damian Barrett
AFL.com.au
Apr 10, 2019
DUSTIN MARTIN
Standout performance: No one in the modern era has put together a season of pure and raw dominance as Martin in 2017. His last five games that year saw him average 30 disposals and two goals.
Where's he at? Will forever be an all-time AFL great no matter what happens from here, but right now he's struggling. With his own expectations, and the stresses which come with them. With opposition taggers like Greenwood and de Boer. With an ever-so-marginal drop-off from the manic obsession and commitment of 2017 to not just be the best player in the game, but the best player by sizeable distance. His coach and manager haven't helped with public utterances about opposition scrutiny.
Why the Tigers need him at his best: This season is slipping away, quickly, and they don't just need Dusty at his best. Right now, they just need him full-stop. No Rance, no Riewoldt, no Cotchin is an ugly situation even before his suspension.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-10/give-me-more-barrett-calls-out-the-players-who-need-to-lift
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A catch 22 at the minute. Dusty is being well held in the midfield (not working hard and smart enough?) but moving him forward doesn't help as the ball doesn't get down there with any quality. That free off the ball he gave away due to being frustrated came at a key moment too.
The main problem with Martin right now is that the team is not playing well. Too many players out of form. When the team was in full flight Martin was able to concentrate on the offensive as his low defensive work was being covered by team mates, who were prepared to do this as Martin offensively was so good for the team.
He started well against GWS but the same problems existed and the attention from De Boer took his mind off the job.
Martin just needs to take a step back and put a bit more work in defensively and in a few weeks the situation will change again. Basing most of this on Hardwick saying he had changed our approach this year as 2018 start well and fell apart near the finals. Thinking here we will ramp training up over April May and be reaching full fitness in June and then hold that through to finals (Hopefully)
Maybe the week off is just what he needs and the coaches can refocus him.
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When your team mate is getting heavily tagged, you should give him some assistance, IMVHO, Dusty should be setting his taggers up for his team mates to give them a super hard shepherd at every opportunity.
You see other teams have anti tagger techniques, why not us?
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has no doubt star midfielder Dustin Martin will bounce back strongly against Sydney on his return from a one-match suspension. Martin was banned for an off-the-ball hit on GWS tagger Matt De Boer in a loss to the Giants and was also later fined by the AFL for making an obscene gesture during a frustrating outing for the Brownlow Medal winner.
“Perception is reality, I suppose, but it was one bad game he’s played … he’s an incredible player and I expect him to bounce back,” Hardwick told reporters on Thursday.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia-for-april-18-2019/live-coverage/ae6969ff08cf09e0ea18bb303f62d12f
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ... it's been a battle for Dusty this season ...
THEN ... an isolated prime-time game on Saturday night against the struggling Swans looms as his return to box office drawcard status.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-19/sliding-doors-round-five
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Welcome back dusty! Excellent game from the champ
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Welcome back dusty! Excellent game from the champ
Yep. Aside from one low percentage disposal, Dusty was back to his best on the back of doing the fundamentals well. I didn't notice him getting caught once which means he gave it off when he should have rather than trying to beat 3-4 opponents at once.
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Posted this elsewhere, but I reckon that third goal where he roved across the front of the pack was just what we wanted to see.
Getting some good form back by the looks of that. Hit the front of the pack at top speed, clean grab of the footy, then perfect snap across the body for a goal. Unstoppable
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Martin was close to best afield despite the Swans sending their resident tagger George Hewett to him from the first centre bounce.
The 2017 Brownlow medallist amassed 25 disposals (16 contested), eight inside 50s, five clearances (four from the centre) and three goals in a masterful display.
Martin spent large chunks of the contest playing deep in attack, where he proved a handful for Sydney's defenders.
The performance followed his one-match ban for a callous off-the-ball elbow to Giant Adam Kennedy's head, coinciding with tagger Matt de Boer holding him to only 15 possessions.
Martin also managed a modest 18 touches the week before that against Collingwood, but Hardwick prophetically backed him to bounce back on game eve.
"He was great, wasn't he?" Hardwick said.
"He was the first one to put up his hand that he was disappointed with his game and disappointed with what happened after that (the hit).
"But that's what great players do – they respond. We're very quick, I think, as a society to hang people, but he's an incredible player and a guy people love to come and watch…
"So I'm very privileged I get to sit there and watch him on the boundary, which is fantastic."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-20/incredible-martin-young-guns-put-smile-on-dimmas-face)
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Posted this elsewhere, but I reckon that third goal where he roved across the front of the pack was just what we wanted to see.
Getting some good form back by the looks of that. Hit the front of the pack at top speed, clean grab of the footy, then perfect snap across the body for a goal. Unstoppable
Absolutely; text book crumbing. Another positive is that it means Dusty is working on some synergy with big Tom. That sort of move is innate as much as it is teachable.
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I reckon with Ross in the side and doing a great job in the middle, I would like to see Dusty play about 70% forward and 30% on ball.
Even more so when we get Cotch back.
He would kick 50 plus IMO playing that roll and it makes it harder for teams to play taggers on him.
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Maybe more goals if the umps starting paying him some free kicks. :banghead
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Maybe more goals if the umps starting paying him some free kicks. :banghead
Why would they do that ?
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Went forward last night to get rid of Hewitt who was tagging him. Good move.
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A part of me was a bit bummed when he lost that marking contest to Rampe. But otherwise still an excellent game. Was awesome when the game was on the line to be won.
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Dusty is no longer with Puma. He's switched to Nike boots.
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A friend of mine who works in orthotics tells me dusty hated the pumas. They were really uncomfortable and required a serious wedge just so he could run in them
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Dusty is no longer with Puma. He's switched to Nike boots.
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Yes Tom Browne said on Talking Footy last night that Puma had ended the deal 1 year into a 4 year extension signed last year. Putting all their eggs into DeGoey from the Pies
He wore Nikes on the weekend but no deal as yet
A friend of mine who works in orthotics tells me dusty hated the pumas. They were really uncomfortable and required a serious wedge just so he could run in them
Hated them but had no issue wearing them and taking the cheque :snidegrin
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A friend of mine who works in orthotics tells me dusty hated the pumas. They were really uncomfortable and required a serious wedge just so he could run in them
Sand or pitching?
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Haha that’s a good term? Sorry I’m completely ignorant on that matter. And WP in response to your comment, absolutely! It’s all about the pay cheque. Orthotics friend eluded to the fact that from not just dusty but other external influences that he could just take the cheque and really modify the boot. But comfort wise without inserts apparently the Nikes are vastly superior
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Dusty rips up massive footy deal
Alex Blair
News.com.au
23 April 2019
Dustin Martin has curiously split from his deal with Puma barely a year after signing a huge four-year extension with the sportswear giant.
The Richmond superstar has been on Puma for five years and re-signed with the apparel company worth a rumoured $500,000 following his blockbuster Brownlow season in 2017.
Channel Seven’s Tom Browne broke the news last night on Talking Footy after being shared a statement from Puma.
At first glance, it appears Martin and Puma could not come to an agreement on the latest design of boot provided.
“Puma have been working closely with Martin through a trainsision (sic) period to the new syle (sic) of boot but through this process it has been agreed upon by both parties to end the relationship,” the statement read.
“We have loved working with Dustin and watching him go from strength to strength throughout his career. For the moment, our journey with Dustin has come to an end and we wish him all the best for the remainder of the 2019 season and for what the future holds,” Puma Oceania General Manager Pancho Gutstein said.
Martin was over the moon in 2018 after signing the extension, which saw him join Puma ambassadors Usain Bolt and Rihanna.
“To be considered by a global brand to be in the same category as people like (Usain) Bolt and Rihanna is really humbling, and I’m proud to be part of the PUMA team for the next 4 years,” he said when he signed the deal in February last year.
There is currently no word on which sportswear company Martin will be switching to.
Martin has endured a so-so start to 2019 after being banned for an off-the-ball hit on GWS tagger Matt De Boer. He was also fined by the AFL for making an obscene gesture during a frustrating outing for the Brownlow Medal winner.
The 27-year-old hasn’t yet reached the lofty heights he’s capable of this season, going goalless through his opening three games and managing just 18 and 15 possessions in his past two matches.
Hardwick pleaded with umpires to protect his star player from tagging tactics that pushed the boundaries of fair play after the GWS game.
“Dustin is a player who works on his game every week, mentally and physically,” Hardwick said.
“What we’ve got to be very careful of is, perception is reality I suppose, but it was one bad game he’s played.
“The guy’s a Brownlow Medallist, he’s a multiple best-and-fairest winner for us, he’s an incredible player and I expect him to bounce back.
“No doubt.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/why-has-dustin-martin-ended-his-partnership-with-puma/news-story/8feffbf9217c60378b99bb3d7a5257c1
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Tom Browne seems to have some additional pieces of information although it's mostly sources say or 7news understands that and not confirmed by anyone yet. Looks like your friend was right lamington :)
The page has lots of graphic things so will just post the link and hopefully it will work.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/toms-take-the-million-dollar-question-looming-over-dusty-martin-c-73454
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He hates the boots, couldn’t get comfortable playing in them.
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IIRC Tiger Woods played in Footjoys with a Nike emblem
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Slow start to the season, fair enough. niggling injury ? fair enough. now in a depleted team dusty has a chance to step up and take over the midfield but hes become a non factor. an absolute shadow of his former self. I hope he can turn it around because its sad to see if nothing else
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Dusty has injury that is hard fix and it’s mental.
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I’m going to say it......he’s unfit.
He just doesn’t have the petrol to go twice in a row at the contest.
Whether it’s injury or laziness or calculated by fitness staff who knows, but there’s no way he’s fit enough to play a full four quarter game the way we come to expect.
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I’m going to say it......he’s unfit.
He just doesn’t have the petrol to go twice in a row at the contest.
Whether it’s injury or laziness or calculated by fitness staff who knows, but there’s no way he’s fit enough to play a full four quarter game the way we come to expect.
Thats a load of rubbish of course hes fit. full pre season under his belt, no major injuries to prevent training.
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I’m going to say it......he’s unfit.
He just doesn’t have the petrol to go twice in a row at the contest.
Whether it’s injury or laziness or calculated by fitness staff who knows, but there’s no way he’s fit enough to play a full four quarter game the way we come to expect.
Thats a load of rubbish of course hes fit. full pre season under his belt, no major injuries to prevent training.
If he’s not fully fit then he’s lazy.
I’ve watched him closely the last 4 games and he’s just not doing the things that has made him the player he is. There’s definitely something wrong with him atm
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I agree hes not doing anything that made him a great player. If his mental issues are to blame for his form than thats really unfortunate and im sure theres more to the story.
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He’s depressing me atm
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Trade him to North Melbourne for 2 first rounders plus a second. Matt Rowell would be nice.
Discuss. lol.
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Not happy. Turns like a boat with a blocked colon
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I’m going to say it......he’s unfit.
He just doesn’t have the petrol to go twice in a row at the contest.
Whether it’s injury or laziness or calculated by fitness staff who knows, but there’s no way he’s fit enough to play a full four quarter game the way we come to expect.
Thats a load of rubbish of course hes fit. full pre season under his belt, no major injuries to prevent training.
If he’s not fully fit then he’s lazy.
I’ve watched him closely the last 4 games and he’s just not doing the things that has made him the player he is. There’s definitely something wrong with him atm
Agree with this summary.
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I’d suggest there is a lot more going on with Dusty than perceived lack of interest / effort. That early season article about overcoming mental health obstacles made me think his camp were putting out a positive spin on a serious and potentially career limiting issue.
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We need Dusty to fire on all cylinders. He is a champion and has enough runs on the board with helping us break the premiership drought. But has been a bit of liability at times. Seeing him drop that easy mark was heartbreaking. I hope he recaptures form and breaks out of the middle like we know he can soon
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If Dusty is injured he should be rested, if not injured how about a run in the 2s to get some form back, wouldn't hurt to send a message to the team either??
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Darcy, Watson, Carey & Mick Warner were discussing Dusty tonight on Talking Footy.
Dusty's Champion Data average game rankings per year:
2017 114.4
2018 92.0
2019 77.2
Carey said Cotch in the midfield makes a big difference to Dusty as Cotch does the in and under stuff. We also need to stop comparing Dusty to his 2017 as that was a freak year that no one else has ever achieved. His 2018 was still very good but even that was below his 2017 season.
Dusty needs to learn from what Cotchin did. Cotch wasn't a top clearance player initially but to become a better player he's learned to become one. Dusty needs to do the same. They compared Dusty's game to Bontempelli's on Saturday night where Bontempelli willed himself and got a number of centre clearances. Dusty does a lot of good things around the ground as we know but that is the one thing still missing from his game.
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Don’t think clearances are missing from his game. Pretty sure he was number 1 in the Comp in centre clearances in 2017 and again one of the top few last year. His clearances just like all of his numbers are down this year due to form but they are acting like it’s a weakness of his.
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Don’t think clearances are missing from his game. Pretty sure he was number 1 in the Comp in centre clearances in 2017 and again one of the top few last year. His clearances just like all of his numbers are down this year due to form but they are acting like it’s a weakness of his.
Number 1 in total centre clearances in both 2017 and 2018. Currently in 2019 he is averaging 2.17 whereas last year it was 3.30 Keep in mind that this year Shaun Grigg has not played a single game and Trent Cotchin has only played 2 and 3/4 quarter games. Both these players are very important to how Dustin Martin is able to play his best footy and unfortunately that lack of support has been reflected in the current stats. The higher scoring teams will have more centre bounces to attend and as such the total and average centre clearances will also be impacted.
Personally I think talk about lack of interest etc is absolute rubbish. Martin has never been overly demonstrative on field and even last season the huddles with Jack Higgins taking lead got extra coverage because of the response from Martin. I fully expect the determination to be the best he can be for himself, the club, the players and the coach he loves, will see Dustin Martin return to form, maybe not 2017 level but certainly 2018 levels.
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What’s happened to Dusty’s ‘don’t argue’?
Chris Vernuccio,
Herald Sun
May 9, 2019
Dustin Martin was an unstoppable force during his Brownlow Medal-winning year but opponents are starting to get a grip on the Richmond superstar.
With his famed “don’t argue”, Martin put would-be tacklers to shame in setting a new benchmark for broken tackles in a season in 2017.
That year he broke 83 tackles, which included eight in the preliminary final against Greater Western Sydney.
That number dropped by nearly half in 2018, but Dusty’s 44 broken tackles still ranked No.1 in the competition and well ahead of the 28 broken tackles recorded by Geelong star Patrick Dangerfield.
However, Martin has endured a frustrating start to 2019 which has highlighted the extra attention he’s received from opposition clubs.
Not only is Martin this season well below on the high standards he set in 2017 in a range of statistical categories, he is no longer the top tackle breaker.
Champion Data stats reveal the powerful midfielder has broken just four tackles year - two of them coming against the Western Bulldogs last Saturday night - ranked 32nd in the league and well behind leader Luke Breust (11).
Martin is also averaging 8.2 fewer disposals this season compared to 2017 — from 29.8 to 21.6 and has seemingly lost his explosiveness in close.
Stopping Dusty
Broken tackles Holding the ball
2017 83 20
2018 44 12
2019 4 5
He was twice caught holding the ball against the Bulldogs, by Caleb Daniel early in the first quarter and Easton Wood midway through the last.
On both occasions Martin attempted to fend-off an opponent.
In the first instance, Martin pushed away Bailey Smith before he was tackled from behind by Daniel.
In five games this season Martin has been pinged five times for holding the ball. Last year he conceded just 12 free kicks for holding the ball and 20 in 2017.
Earlier this year Martin revealed he battled anxiety and depression throughout 2018 as he felt the pressure of matching his dominant 2017 season.
Martin’s frustrations boiled over in Round 3 against GWS after he was closely tagged by Matt De Boer.
In a spiteful game, Martin was suspended for elbowing Giants defender Adam Kennedy, fined for striking De Boer in a separate incident and also sanctioned for abusive gestures.
Leading tackle-breakers in 2019
Player No. of broken tackles
Luke Breust (Haw) 11
Tom Atkins (Geel) 9
Shaun Higgins (NM) 9
Tom Papley (Syd) 9
Marcus Bontempelli (WB) 7
Wayne Milera (Adel) 7
Lachie Neale (Bris) 7
Jake Stringer (Ess) 7
Nick Vlastuin (Rich) 7
Dustin Martin (Rich) 4
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/dustin-martin-loses-his-mantle-as-footys-leading-tackle-breaker/news-story/384a71239c6901ac275b7201b2f13326
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Injuries to key players like Cotch have led to him not having the support he previously had and to extra attention from the opposition. Also it is important to acknowledge he has had mental health issues. He is a champion and has a strong resilience. He will bounce back.
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Wasn’t as clean or damaging as he could be but thought his contest work and attack on the ball were great today. I’ve thought since last season that we are using him up forward too much. He does his best work in the guts, depending on the situation should be 80-20 for me, got enough weapons up forward.
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Was better!
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Like the poltergeist. He's backkkkkkkk!
It wasn't just getting a heap of the ball and kicking 2 goals. Dusty looked hungry from the first bounce.
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Like the poltergeist. He's backkkkkkkk!
It wasn't just getting a heap of the ball and kicking 2 goals. Dusty looked hungry from the first bounce.
Was chasing down players too. Suddenly showing interest in the contest!
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He’s finally found some comfy boots
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It was hanging out with Ben Cousins for a bit in Perth I tell ya! He might be a flawed soul but Ben sure knows how to motivate the tigers and Dusty ala that phone call he gave Dusty before he GF. Also some comfy 2017 pumas seems to work wonders
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He’s finally found some comfy boots
Back on his favourite Puma, back in business ;D
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Welcome back Dusty
We missed ya
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It reminds me of that film space jam. Where like for he had his powers stolen by aliens? But I guess he got them back via Michael Jordan. Or those pumas
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Dusty fends off the critics with a return to his 2017 best
AFL.com.au
Marc McGowan
May 19, 2019 7:09PM
THE TALKING point after Dustin Martin's 30-disposal outing in round one was how young Blue Zac Fisher – not known for his strength – had brought him down in a tackle.
Fisher had pre-emptively slapped Martin's hand to blunt the superstar Tiger's famed fend-off, then wrapped him up.
Everything to do with Martin is hyper-analysed.
The source of the tactic was supposedly Eagle Elliot Yeo, who successfully implemented it against Richmond in round nine last year.
That fuss soon faded into the background as stoppers Levi Greenwood and Matt de Boer kept Martin to consecutive sub-20-possession tallies.
The 2017 Brownlow and Norm Smith medallist was officially in a very public form slump – and had a week to ponder it after being banned for an undisciplined elbow to Giant Adam Kennedy's head.
Martin's 2018 campaign, still stellar by everyday AFL players' standards, was similarly closely scrutinised for his inability to match his other-worldly season a year earlier.
There have been glimpses of what he can do this year, but there was collective glee as the one-man wrecking ball exploded out of the blocks on Sunday afternoon.
Virtually impossible to miss amid Martin's staggering 13-disposal opening quarter were a pair of trademark stiff-arms, one of them on lightweight Hawk Jack Scrimshaw, who had no answer.
The question must be asked: is the fend-off Dusty's firestarter, the action that illustrates he is 'on'?
The early two on Sunday preceded Martin's gut-busting run forward, coinciding with the Tigers winning the ball at half-back, then launching a blistering scoring chain that ended in his arms.
Eight of those 13 touches to quarter-time were contested and he won four of Richmond's 12 clearances to that stage.
Martin spent large portions of the second term deep in attack, opposed to Shaun Burgoyne and Ben Stratton.
He uncharacteristically missed a close-range snap – the only blot on his copybook – but moments later he burst through two rivals at the other end to dish off a handball and put a teammate in the clear.
Then, of course, soon after he elevated to outmark Liam Shiels inside 50, with another Hawk nearby, and slam a checkside kick through the uprights.
The cries came thick and fast on social media. This is the 2017 Dusty – the season he can't escape.
Nineteen possessions at half-time became 37 by the final siren, including 17 contested, to go with 10 clearances (six from the centre), nine score involvements, 568 metres gained, four inside 50s and even three tackles.
Some of the early-season critics will have taken notice of that last one.
Whether this was Martin of 2017 or not, it was certainly his finest solo display this year and it coincided with an important Richmond triumph that has it on the brink of the top four.
In what has been an at-times difficult season for Martin and his injury-depleted Tigers, there's little to be too concerned about.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-19/is-dusty-back-to-his-2017-best
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Dustin Martin switches back to Puma boots after high-profile dumping
Sporting News
20 May 2019
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Unless you watched Richmond's Sunday afternoon clash with Hawthorn on mute, you wouldn't have been able to avoid the commentators' chat about Dustin Martin's boots.
The Tigers star found himself back in Puma boots after trialling out a few different manufacturers over the past few weeks.
Every time Dusty got near the footy, we heard about his search for the perfect pair of boots.
Plenty of viewers grew tired of it, while others thought there might have been more at play.
Dusty had 19 and kicked 2 in a half in his old trusty Puma boots, surely if ya puma ya just keep making the old ones for him $$$$ , and @AFL the fans have had enough of this rubbish umpiring this year fix it. #AFLTigersHawks
- shaun comerford (@shaun_como3) May 19, 2019
Some fans floated a conspiracy, suggesting that Martin's chopping and changing was all part of a campaign from the boot manufacturer.
Dusty getting 500k to rock PUMAs is insane.
Genius by their PR team to come up with the plan for him to "leave" them for a few weeks #AFLTigersHawks
- Luke (@Marruso89) May 19, 2019
We reckon they might be giving the marketing team at Puma too much credit.
So what is the story with Dusty's footwear?
The Richmond superstar was signed to Puma on a deal worth around $500,000 per year.
Despite having three years left to run on that contract, the midfielder ditched his wheels at the end of round three, wearing Nike boots for two rounds and then trying out Adidas for a couple of weeks.
Back in his trademark hi-vis yellow and blues Pumas on Sunday, the commentators suggested they may have been an older model.
Whatever the case, the change was worked, with Martin looking back to his best with two goals in a dominant first half.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/dustin-martin-boots-puma-richmond-hawthorn/fekohn9oujbl1q616tus9b9k0
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:shh
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Dusty’s season ‘nothing short of sensational’: Dimma
LAUREN WOOD,
Herald Sun
23 May 2019
Dustin Martin has found his voice.
And it’s resulted in the Brownlow medallist leaving even his coach amazed.
Damien Hardwick said he considered the suggestion that Dustin Martin had not had his trademark spark this season to be “unfair” and said the superstar Tiger had taken his game to a new level in the face of the team’s injury woes.
“With the void that’s probably in our leadership group or that has left our leadership group at the moment (with Trent Cotchin, Alex Rance and Jack Riewoldt all out) … I’ve never seen a guy step up as much as he did,” Hardwick said.
“If you had said to me 10 years ago … that he’d be doing the things that he’s doing now, I’d be
“We’ve asked him to play different roles at different stages to help us get through this period that’s been tough. Sometimes it’s been more of a role that’s been more beneficial to the team than Dustin. He’ll put his hand up and play that every time. Superstars set an incredibly high standard. We’re very quick to jump on those guys, and it’s understandable — they’re in the limelight.
“We’re just happy he’s playing his role and we’re winning.”
Hardwick said that Martin, 27, had “grown as a player this year” despite the numbers.
“His stats mightn’t say that he is, but he’s doing things that he’s never previously done for this footy club, whether it’s making 2 v 1s or going outside the stoppage. Those are things that make a great player. That’s how he’s grown,” Hardwick said.
“He’s just grown more vocal. It’s amazing … it happens to all of us at some stage. We have to get a really good understanding of who we are and what we do, so it’s to fulfil that role.
Martin has been “sensational” for Richmond, his coach says. Picture: Michael Klein.
“It’s just been so impressive to see how far he’s come — not only this year, but years previous as well. That’s the great thing footy clubs do — they nurture. Dustin’s been nothing short of sensational for our footy club … we couldn’t ask for a better icon to be at our footy club, really.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-says-dustin-martin-has-been-nothing-short-of-sensational-in-2019/news-story/004c017e973ede55e79121d2dcc9960c
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Watched the replay last night and thought it was interesting how he was calling for the other players to get around Lynch when he kicked that goal in the 3rd I think
Internally he may be growing as a leader as I wouldn't normally see dusty doing things like that
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The guy is nothing short of a champion. If I learned anything from 2016 when Cotchin was under the pump and had pressure to step down as captain (I’m willing to admit that I jumped on that train and thought Riewoldt should captain and feel bad for that) is that champions will always rise up. Martin is a once in a generation player and whether he’s getting triple teamed to free up other players or smashing teams single handedly he will always bring something to the table
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Also from Robbo's "likes" column:
The no-tag Bombers let Dustin Martin loose and he didn’t disappoint. In his past six games against Essendon, he has had 35, 28, 26, 30, 38 and 43 disposals.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-10/news-story/f101041decfda99acfd6ffdd2cf9ea7b
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Secret behind Dusty’s form turnaround
Kate Salemme,
Herald Sun
May 30, 2019
Dustin Martin has recaptured the form that saw him become the AFL’s best player in 2017 over the past two weeks as Richmond has roared back in premiership calculations.
So what’s the secret behind his form turnaround?
What’s old is new again — Martin has switched back to his old Puma EvoPower boots, the boots that he won the Brownlow Medal, North Smith Medal and premiership in two years ago, after short stints in Nike and adidas.
The Richmond superstar famously split with sponsor Puma in April, just one year into a new four-year deal with the company.
He’s been on the lookout for new boots ever since, trialling Nike’s Phantom VNM Elite boots before giving adidas’s Copa 19.1 a crack.
But neither of those boots has satisfied the 27-year-old, with Martin wearing his old Pumas in Rounds 9 and 10.
His last two weeks have seen him return to his dynamic best, gathering 37 disposals, six marks and two goals in the win over Hawthorn before backing it up against Essendon with 35 disposals and seven marks.
Martin received the maximum 10 votes from the coaches in the AFLCA Champion Player of the Year award in the win over the Hawks in Round 9, while he polled seven votes in Dreamtime at the ‘G.
Is there more to this boot superstition than we thought?
Martin had previously gathered 30 disposals just once this season — in Round 1 — while he had polled votes from the coaches just twice — nine votes in Round 5 and one vote in Round 1.
Since he returned to the trusty Puma EvoPowers, Martin has averaged 36 disposals, compared to just 21.9 in Rounds 1-8 and is averaging a massive 654 metres gained — over 300m more than his 342m average to start the year.
The superstar has also recaptured his spark at the contest, averaging nine clearances and 13.5 contested possessions for game.
The Herald Sun reported in April Martin’s relationship with Puma hit a snag when the company no longer made available the EvoPower boots.
Puma said in a statement it had been “working closely with Martin through a transition period to the new style of Puma boot but through this process it has been agreed upon by both parties to end the relationship”.
DUSTIN MARTIN IN 2019
STAT ROUNDS 1-8 ROUNDS 9-10
Disposals 21.9 36.0
Kicking efficiency 55.3% 55.0%
Metres gained 342 654
Contested possessions 11.0 13.5
Clearances 3.4 9.0
Score involvements 6.7 6.5
Goals 0.7 1.0
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-is-back-to-his-best-in-his-old-puma-boots/news-story/751ef290fb45ba9696a13c6f5f584fd9
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My money is meeting up with Ben Cousins again
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A cheeky sleepwear commercial featuring Richmond superstar Dustin Martin waking up next to a Victoria’s Secret bombshell has been investigated after an outcry that it was too sexy and too suggestive.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/melbourne/richmond-star-dustin-martin-and-lingerie-model-maia-cotton-face-row-over-sexy-sleepwear-ad/news-story/15cb386ba913af336141d9ed39cf658f
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We live is such a weak censored society these days
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That is just absolutely pathetic. The person who complained should be exposed and ridiculed. Seriously, haven't they got anything better to do with their time?
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Was either Caro, Clem Ford or Rita Panahi.... :shh
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What happened? I’ve seen the ad but I can’t read the article.
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Was either Caro, Clem Ford or Rita Panahi.... :shh
Rita?? Don't think so mate
She is the opposite of these 65 types
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What happened? I’ve seen the ad but I can’t read the article.
Here you go.
(It constantly amazes me how people see things so differently. I guess the person or people who made complaints must have genuinely felt uncomfortable with the ad - or they're not Richmond or Dustin Martin supporters :huh )
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/melbourne/richmond-star-dustin-martin-and-lingerie-model-maia-cotton-face-row-over-sexy-sleepwear-ad/news-story/15cb386ba913af336141d9ed39cf658f
Richmond star Dustin Martin and lingerie model Maia Cotton face row over sexy sleepwear ad
Too sexy, too suggestive? A cheeky sleepwear ad starring Richmond star Dustin Martin and a Victoria’s Secret bombshell has come under fire for being “degrading to women” and “wrong on so many levels”
A cheeky sleepwear commercial featuring Richmond superstar Dustin Martin waking up next to a Victoria’s Secret bombshell has been investigated after an outcry that it was too sexy and too suggestive.
The Tiger champion, an ambassador for clothing brand Bonds, appeared in the clever campaign in March for the company’s ComfyLivin’ sleepwear range alongside international lingerie model Maia Cotton.
The pair are seen emerging from the sheets as a doorbell rings and, in a scene inspired by the famous film Notting Hill, Martin opens the door to find a horde of reporters outside.
Nonplussed, he closes the door and tells Cotton the visitors are for her.
In a complaint filed with Ad Standards, the advertisement is described as “degrading” and “just wrong on so many levels”.
“What I found offensive about this advertisement was that in the morning when the doorbell rings and Dustin Martin answers it to find reporters who ask ‘so how was your night?’, it implies that the reporters want feedback on how her night was after spending the night with Dustin Martin,” the complainant wrote.
“It’s degrading to women and portrays women who spend the night with men and in this case a football player as a butt of a joke and suggests that he has provided her with a good night.”
Hanes Brands, Bonds’ parent company, stood by the lighthearted play on words.
Following an investigation the Ad Standards Community Panel found the tone of the ad to be cheeky rather than suggestive and that Cotton was not being humiliated or ridiculed.
In dismissing the complaint, the panel said the ad had not breached the advertising Code of Ethics.
Martin’s deal with Bonds has seen him appear in some highly entertaining video campaigns, notably with a cute dog named Killer and a tiger that could have done some serious damage if it had given him a love bite.
fiona.byrne@news.com.au
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:lol. Thanks amc11. :cheers
What did they think of the Antz Pantz advert. :rollin
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What happened? I’ve seen the ad but I can’t read the article.
Here you go.
(It constantly amazes me how people see things so differently. I guess the person or people who made complaints must have genuinely felt uncomfortable with the ad - or they're not Richmond or Dustin Martin supporters :huh )
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/melbourne/richmond-star-dustin-martin-and-lingerie-model-maia-cotton-face-row-over-sexy-sleepwear-ad/news-story/15cb386ba913af336141d9ed39cf658f
Richmond star Dustin Martin and lingerie model Maia Cotton face row over sexy sleepwear ad
Too sexy, too suggestive? A cheeky sleepwear ad starring Richmond star Dustin Martin and a Victoria’s Secret bombshell has come under fire for being “degrading to women” and “wrong on so many levels”
A cheeky sleepwear commercial featuring Richmond superstar Dustin Martin waking up next to a Victoria’s Secret bombshell has been investigated after an outcry that it was too sexy and too suggestive.
The Tiger champion, an ambassador for clothing brand Bonds, appeared in the clever campaign in March for the company’s ComfyLivin’ sleepwear range alongside international lingerie model Maia Cotton.
The pair are seen emerging from the sheets as a doorbell rings and, in a scene inspired by the famous film Notting Hill, Martin opens the door to find a horde of reporters outside.
Nonplussed, he closes the door and tells Cotton the visitors are for her.
In a complaint filed with Ad Standards, the advertisement is described as “degrading” and “just wrong on so many levels”.
“What I found offensive about this advertisement was that in the morning when the doorbell rings and Dustin Martin answers it to find reporters who ask ‘so how was your night?’, it implies that the reporters want feedback on how her night was after spending the night with Dustin Martin,” the complainant wrote.
“It’s degrading to women and portrays women who spend the night with men and in this case a football player as a butt of a joke and suggests that he has provided her with a good night.”
Hanes Brands, Bonds’ parent company, stood by the lighthearted play on words.
Following an investigation the Ad Standards Community Panel found the tone of the ad to be cheeky rather than suggestive and that Cotton was not being humiliated or ridiculed.
In dismissing the complaint, the panel said the ad had not breached the advertising Code of Ethics.
Martin’s deal with Bonds has seen him appear in some highly entertaining video campaigns, notably with a cute dog named Killer and a tiger that could have done some serious damage if it had given him a love bite.
fiona.byrne@news.com.au
Please. t was some idiot trying to hide behind a keyboard and dob. Perhaps it was one of the people who are trying to get him back over the chopstix debacle. :shh :shh
You could ask 100 people if they give a stuff and most wouldn't except for idiots like clem ford, Yassmin Abdel or the pirate Fitzsimmons.
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What a trio. Not sure who I hate more, probably Yasmin or that bandanna wearing flog
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Was either Caro, Clem Ford or Rita Panahi.... :shh
Rita?? Don't think so mate
She is the opposite of these 65 types
You forgotten the crap she went on with during "chopstickgate"? :shh
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Was either Caro, Clem Ford or Rita Panahi.... :shh
Rita?? Don't think so mate
She is the opposite of these 65 types
You forgotten the crap she went on with during "chopstickgate"? :shh
She wasn't the only one. Many on here :shh
That said I've forgiven her. She has turned the corner since then unlike the other flogs mentioned
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Was either Caro, Clem Ford or Rita Panahi.... :shh
Rita?? Don't think so mate
She is the opposite of these 65 types
You forgotten the crap she went on with during "chopstickgate"? :shh
She wasn't the only one. Many on here :shh
That said I've forgiven her. She has turned the corner since then unlike the other flogs mentioned
Martin certainly has had to bear the brunt of a lot of adverse media coverage without any real consideration given to how any of it was impacting on him as a person let alone as a player. To make matters worse many of his own team's supporters bought into the hyperbole and most people find it all too easy to fall into that old trap of judging a book by its cover!
Thursday nights coverage will have a segment on what makes Dustin Martin the footballer tick.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1136984975226523650
(Hope the link works - technology can be challenging :help)
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What makes me laugh is these media morons get on their moral high horses when a player or even some punter in the crowd says something in the heat of the moment, but then they can write hurtful poo about whatever they want without any evidence other than saying it was from a “source”
I watch AFL 360 most nights but the way those two cockheads try to be all politically correct just to make themselves look good is sickening. Robbo is a massive bogan and I can only imagine what he says behind closed doors.
This umpire poo of late is the pits IMO.
Since when as a society are we so precious we can’t call an umpire a green maggot or a flog.
What the AFL has done for racism in our society is to be commended but they need to be really careful how far they want to try and take the other stuff.
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Was either Caro, Clem Ford or Rita Panahi.... :shh
All just jealous that they can't wake up next to Dusty.
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CAPTAIN DUSTY
Liz Walsh
Adelaide Advertiser
14 June 2019
Who would have thought Dusty would ever captain a footy club? But he’s got a good record against Adelaide, so it made sense: in his last four outings against the Crows, he was averaging 27.3 disposals and 2.5 goals a game. And he stood up when needed, no more evident that when the game was in the balance in the third quarter and he intercepted a Brad Crouch kick and snapped at goal for his second of the night. He was Richmond’s most dominant player and finished with 32 disposals, nine marks, four tackles and two goals.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-overcomes-three-injury-concerns-to-overrun-gallant-richmond-and-climb-into-top-four/news-story/82bcb92e5b50a43a167a6fc80f29d644
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"Dusty: life on and life off the field" vid shown by Ch7 at half-time last night:
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2019-06-14/dusty-on-life-on-and-off-the-field
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Dusty is 28 today :birthday.
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Has received something like 5 frees for the entire year....
Dangerfield has received around 25..... :shh
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Disgraceful considering how often he gets scragged off the ball and in the contest
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Disgraceful considering how often he gets scragged off the ball and in the contest
Doesn’t play for them like others
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The club should be proactive and slip a stat like that into a coaches press conference before a game.
How does 2 players that play basically the same way and get about the same amount of footy, have such a differential with free kicks?
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The club should be proactive and slip a stat like that into a coaches press conference before a game.
How does 2 players that play basically the same way and get about the same amount of footy, have such a differential with free kicks?
One plays for Richmond. End of story.
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How did we all view Dusty's game?
He was named BOG with 36 disposals but some in the media post-game said he wasn't at his best with a disposal efficiency of 50%.
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How did we all view Dusty's game?
He was named BOG with 36 disposals but some in the media post-game said he wasn't at his best with a disposal efficiency of 50%.
He intensity was good. His disposal was ordinary although he wasn’t alone. Cotchin, lambert and Prestia were all hopeless by hand and foot.
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How did we all view Dusty's game?
He was named BOG with 36 disposals but some in the media post-game said he wasn't at his best with a disposal efficiency of 50%.
He got it alot but butchered too many times
Definitely not BOG, IMHO
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Was particularly poor below the knees - reminded me of when he was younger... :shh
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who was bog then? stack perhaps but lets be honest without dusty we would have lost today. He was great and showed some other leaders how to never stop busting his gut
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who was bog then? stack perhaps but lets be honest without dusty we would have lost today. He was great and showed some other leaders how to never stop busting his gut
Stack by the length of Comic Strip Stadium
His work rage, 2nd, 3rd efforts were outstanding
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7215127/How-daily-journal-helped-AFL-superstar-Dustin-Martin-better-version-himself.html
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Dustin Martin has had a strong match tonight with 30 disposals, 16 handball receives, 581 metres gained, nine contested possessions, five clearances, eight inside 50s and six scoring involvements.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/18/rich-v-port#/summary
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Dusty's best game in quite some time
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Dusty's best game in quite some time
Really??
I’ll take a look at the replay but watching it at the ground I only thought he was ok.
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His best game to date is probably against hawthorn but having the ball in Dusty’s hand always makes me feel like we can start a scoring chain that results in a goal
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Dusty's best game in quite some time
Really??
I’ll take a look at the replay but watching it at the ground I only thought he was ok.
Compared to what he's dished up the last month, he was good today, was at the game, thought he was very good
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Dusty's best game in quite some time
Really??
I’ll take a look at the replay but watching it at the ground I only thought he was ok.
Compared to what he's dished up the last month, he was good today, was at the game, thought he was very good
At the game, Dusty was great.
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Dusty's best game in quite some time
Really??
I’ll take a look at the replay but watching it at the ground I only thought he was ok.
Compared to what he's dished up the last month, he was good today, was at the game, thought he was very good
Just finished watching the replay.
He was pretty good.
Not his normal type of game but I guess he doesn’t have to be the dominating bull we are all use to.
Basically played his roll and did it well.
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The slider
Dustin Martin
Pre-season ranking: 1
Current ranking: 11
He sets an incredibly high standard for himself, but the Tigers superstar is averaging his fewest number of contested possessions (9.9), clearances (4.4) and score involvements (6.6) since 2015.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-24/player-ratings-who-are-your-clubs-risers-and-sliders
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Priming for a finals onslaught to rival that of his amazing 2017 finals campaign. :shh
Think KB in ‘80 and Gary Ablett ‘89, :rollin
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Dusty backed to his best tonight when it mattered.
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Nice to see some strength in the hips and a couple of stiff arms too. God I miss those
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Looked on from the get go!
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Dustin Martin has reached 30 disposals or more for the 60th time in his 219-game career, and added goal from outside 50 metres for good measure. He has delivered the ball inside 50 on 11 occasions, just one behind his personal best.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2019/20/melb-v-rich#/summary
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I thought he was easily BOG......
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He’s back to his best at the moment. He’s not looking to stiff arm tacklers anymore, but rather cut through would be tacklers with his first few steps. He’s found his kicking boots as well 👍
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Agreed, looking strong through the hips, agile, and has improved his inside mid work dramatically. Really stood up this year with Cotch being out and his wet weather footy is formidable.
Wonder what happened to the stiff arm though? I sure do miss it. I wonder if it's a confidence thing or if he's just been figured out?
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I like that he uses the fend off more sparingly. I think his opponents expect him to put the arm out as first reaction to clear and hence everyone is trying to slap the arm before wrapping him up. Dusty has this hip strength which reminds me of vintage Dane Swan on when he would keep moving through a pack with power
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Tiger champion Dustin Martin has a new secret weapon to help keep his cool as the pressure and temperature rises around him on the footy field.
The Richmond superstar is fronting his latest campaign for Bonds underwear and the new X-Temp range promises more than just comfort.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dustin-martin-fronts-bonds-xtemp-campaign/news-story/6d288f43892f7f22766372ac42276285
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Picked up coaches votes again this round.
Coaches Votes for round 20
9 Dustin Martin (RICH)
7 Shane Edwards (RICH)
7 Dion Prestia (RICH)
4 Bachar Houli (RICH)
2 Max Gawn (MELB)
1 Bayley Fritsch (MELB)
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From @7AFL #TalkingFooty:
Has Dusty re-claimed his mantle as the best player in the game?
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1158319459859197953
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Dustin Martin Tattoos: Truth About His Neck, Hand & Body Tatts
The Meaning Behind Footy Player Dustin Marty’s Tattoos
by Rhys McKay
New Idea
14 Aug 2019
Aussie rules football player Dustin Martin is as popular among fans for his tattoos as he is for his game. While the 2017 Brownlow Medalist has proven to be a formidable footy player, he’s also shown that he’s got an impeccable taste when it comes to tattoos.
Here, we take a deep dive into the AFL bad boy’s ink, from the meaning behind his Maori neck tattoos to his personal favourites.
Who Is Dustin Martin?
Dustin Martin is a professional Aussie rules football player. He was born on June 26, 1991, in Castlemaine, Victoria, and grew up playing footy there. His father, Shane Martin, is an ex bikie of Maori descent.
Dustin was drafted by the Richmond Tigers in 2010, but he had nominal success in his early years. As if to go perfectly with his bad boy look, Dustin hasn’t always been a clean-cut player and experienced several controversies throughout his career – one of the first being a controversial jailhouse salute he performed after scoring a goal. In 2015, he hit a major rough patch when drunkenly threatened to stab a woman with chopsticks. He was faced with a $AUD$5,000 fine.
Success As A Footy Player
Despite these scandals, Dustin’s stats improved over the years. When it comes to his playing style, he’s known for his signature “don’t argue” move, which has made him virtually untackle-able. It’s a move so well-loved by his fans that you can even find signed memorabilia featuring the words.
In 2017, his excellent performance on the pitch earned him a Brownlow Medal – considered the most prestigious award you can earn as an AFL player. Though he admitted that he went through mental health battles following his best season, he seems to be on the rise once more. According to GQ, “he’s since taken to 2019 in fighting form. Many, in fact, are heralding that 2019 is Martin’s time – he looks to be in career-best shape”.
Only time can tell if Dusty ends up becoming the number one player in the AFL!
In April 2019 though, he came under fire again for making an “offensive gesture” towards GWS’ Shane Mumford at a match. Essentially, Dustin flipped Shane off during an intense moment at a game, then put his finger to his nose as if he was snorting cocaine – a reference to Shane’s drug scandal the year prior. Dustin was fined by the AFL for the gesture.
Though he made an apology on Twitter, it didn’t sit well with everyone. News AU reported that Mark Robinson of AFL 360 called it “wishy-washy” and a “joke”. “If you’re going to apologise, Dusty, apologise after the game”, Robinson said.
Dustin Martin’s Tattoos
According to a 2017 report by West Australia, if you were to combine the cost of all of Dustin’s current ink, it’d sum up to about $AUD15,000! He’s got tattoos covering most of the skin on his arms and legs, with images of roses, skulls, clowns, dice, and wads of cash. He’s also got a few job stoppers on his neck and hands!
His First Tattoo
In an interview by Pedestrian, Dustin revealed that his first tatt was a stomach tattoo he got at the young age of 16.
His Maori Neck Tatts
His second tattoo, and arguably his most iconic one is his neck tattoo. On the right side of his neck, Dustin’s got the words “Ngati Maru”, which is the name of a Maori tribe in New Zealand, in honour of his father’s lineage. On the left side, he has the words “Matai Whetu”, which, according to the Sunday Times, “refers to a meeting place” for the Maori tribe.
Skulls, Skulls, And More Skulls
Dustin seems to have a thing for skull tatts. He’s got two massive skulls on his upper left arm, and one more on the inside of his forearm. He’s also got a smaller one round his left ankle.
Dusty’s also got two hand tattoos featuring skulls, along with stacks of cash behind each one.
His Favourite Tatts
Dustin recently became the face of men’s underwear brand, Bonds. While shooting for his Bonds ad, he revealed a few personal truths, like his pre-game ritual, his recipe to cook honey-mustard chicken, and how his favourite tattoos are his “Live Life” knuckle tatts. In the interview, he said, “It’s all about enjoying yourself and a reminder not to take yourself too seriously”.
“Live Free. Die Free”
If you’ve seen Dusty’s Bonds ad (maybe from Dustin’s own Instagram account) you’d have noticed the large words inked across his lower torso. But what does Dustin Martin’s tattoo say? The huge text actually reads “Live Free. Die Free” – a saying he and his father coined together. His supportive dad also has the phrase tattooed on his body.
Is He Used To The Pain Yet?
Surely someone who’s covered head to toe in tattoos is used to the pain, right? Well, as it turns out, Dusty is not very good at dealing with the pain. In an interview with Pedestrian, Dustin revealed that he can only take as much as two-hour tattoo sessions. “I’m a bit of a chicken. I swear every tattoo that I get lately, the pain just gets worse and worse”, he says.
It’s All In The Family
As previously mentioned, Dustin and his father share the same “Live Free. Die Free” tattoo. But did you know that his dad also has the iconic neck tatts? It only makes sense, as the two phrases are in fact meant to pay homage to the New Zealand tribes from which his ancestors hail.
But it isn’t just Dusty’s dad who’s inked. Get this: Dustin’s Nana got inked herself at the age of 70! After her grandson’s team won the grand finals for the first time in almost 40 years, Nana chose to commemorate the moment with some body art.
Conclusion
Though some folks still consider excessive tattoos as a mark of unruly and unprofessional individuals, people like Dustin Martin prove that you can be inked and still be tremendously good at what you do.
https://www.newidea.com.au/dustin-martin-tattoos-truth-about-his-neck-hand-body-tatts
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What made fashion king Dusty want kids?
Fiona Byrne
Sunday Herald Sun
18 Aug 2019
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has spoken of his desire to start a family.
Martin has told of his joy at playing “Uncle Dusty” to his friends’ kids, including Tiger teammate Trent Cotchin.
And having kids of his own is part of his of future plans.
“Definitely it is,” Martin, 28, said.
“I still have a lot of things I want to do. It is something I certainly want to have down the track, but at the moment I love seeing my mate’s kids grow up and that gives me great joy.
“A lot of my close friends have got young kids and I love them as if they are my own.
“I think most people would love to have a family, but I am still a fair way off that, to be honest.
Martin, who is launching his first fashion collection with Bonds, said he has also become comfortable knowing he’s a role model for young fans.
“I just think back to when I was a young kid and the people I looked up to, so if I can be a good role model to the kids who look up to me, that is important,” he said.
“The thing I like to get across is to have dreams and to chase your dreams and not to let anything get in the way of them, because anything is possible.
“You want them to have a crack at anything they love; it doesn’t have to be football. “Whatever your passions are I would certainly encourage people to follow them.”
Having long had an interest in fashion, Martin said he was excited to be launching his six-piece Bonds X DM capsule collection which includes his signature DM Hoodie.
“I have always been into fashion and it has been fun working with the design team to come up with this range,” he said.
“It is inspired by streetwear and is very comfortable and reflects my style in that it is very laid back. “It is oversized and comfortable and looks good.
“I have certainly enjoyed this experience and I hope everyone likes it. It is a good start and hopefully we can keep it rolling.”
With Richmond again shaping up as serious finals contenders, Martin said he was yet to lock in his annual post-season travel plans with his larrikin mate, Dane Swan.
“We have not quite planned it yet but there is no doubt we will be sneaking off somewhere to have a bit of fun,” he said.
A return to the training track with the Bali Geckos is very much an off-season possibility.
“I had a great time over there with them during the New Year in the period,” he said.
“If I am over there anytime over the summer I will definitely pop in and have a training session with them. They are a great bunch of people.”
And while he is ineligible for the Brownlow this year owing to an early season suspension, he is tipping a past winner to collect the AFL’s top individual prize this year.
“It is going to be a really exciting count. There are heaps of guys who have had awesome seasons but for my tip, I reckon Nat Fyfe might win this year,” he said.
WHERE TO SEE DUSTY
The Bonds X DM collection is available online and in selected stores on Monday, August 19, 2019.
Dustin Martin will be in-store at Bonds Melbourne Central at 1pm and Bonds Highpoint at 4pm on Wednesday, August 21, 2019.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dustin-martin-speaks-on-family-being-a-role-model-ahead-of-bonds-launch/news-story/6c1c8866022baf00844f42a3bbd28c8e
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Good luck with the family Dusty
May the Y chromosome be with you.
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This guy should get as many ladies pregnant as possible. Like dozens...
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Yes but not all at the same time......won't have enough points...:shh
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https://www.booktopia.com.au/dustin-martin-dustin-martin/prod9781743795804.html
New clothing range with Bonds and a book due for release in October this year.
Dustin Martin has come a long way from the general media consensus early in 2017 about not being marketable and not capable of earning an income outside of his football. Martin is continuing to mature both on and off field and I really like this part from the herald sun article.
Martin, who is launching his first fashion collection with Bonds, said he has also become comfortable knowing he’s a role model for young fans.
“I just think back to when I was a young kid and the people I looked up to, so if I can be a good role model to the kids who look up to me, that is important,” he said.
“The thing I like to get across is to have dreams and to chase your dreams and not to let anything get in the way of them, because anything is possible.
“You want them to have a crack at anything they love; it doesn’t have to be football. “Whatever your passions are I would certainly encourage people to follow them.” :clapping
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Scary 2017 form today. He's been getting back to near it since the bye. Today he cracked it. Best game for the season from Dusty even by his lofty standards.
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Back to his bullocking best. Ripped them a new one.
Yeo, best player in the league... please. Got shown how today.
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Have we addressed the ridiculous criticism of dusty from earlier in the season like we did with Lynch?
Honestly go back and have a look at some of the posts - embarrassing.
Absolute champion!
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THE BULL IS BACK!
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Incredible
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He just been playing possum
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Norm Smith & Gary Ayres Medals > Brownlows.... :shh
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Magnificent.
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Was in his super beast mode today. It was just awesome sitting there and watching him mesmerise the opposition. :clapping
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Included among the game-high 35 disposals that Dusty racked up against the Eagles were an AFL career-high 13 inside-50s and a season-high 27 kicks. He also had a massive, season-high 818 metres gained, six clearances, four tackles, eight score involvements and kicked a vital goal.
And, it’s well worth noting that since Martin’s outstanding 2017 Brownlow Medal year, the Tigers have won 25 games and lost only two, when he’s cracked the 30-disposal mark.
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-19/dusty-back-to-his-brilliant-best
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Richmond assistant coach Adam Kingsley provides Richmond Media with an insight into Dustin Martin's form this year.
Ranked No. 1 at Richmond for inside 50s and centre clearance
“The most impressive thing for us is not only does he clear the ball himself but he creates clearances through his movement and his organisation in there, which has been the most pleasing aspect for me. We know he’s a great clearance player and he can be really damaging with those clearances, but to be able to bring Dion Prestia, Jack Graham, Jack Ross and Shane Edwards into the clearance game as well, is really important for us as a whole midfield.”
What he works on at training
“Mainly defensively, in and around the contest. He’s usually very good at it, but at times, given the speed and the effort he exerts, he can stand and watch a little bit. All players do that, particularly though the midfield. It’s a work in progress but we’re pretty comfortable with where he sits.”
Read more: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-08-20/coaches-corner-dustin-martin
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Choco: How Dusty overcame mental fragility
Glenn McFarlane and Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
21 August 2019
Mark Williams couldn't be prouder of Dustin Martin's evolution on and off the field, thrilled a player he helped mentor continues to prove his critics and doubters wrong.
Williams says his part in the Richmond star’s transformation has provided great personal satisfaction as Martin has successfully worked through his mental health issues to become one of footy’s most dominant players.
Williams worked closely with Martin in his early AFL years during his time as a development coach with Richmond.
But he says Martin’s growth as a person in that time has helped make him the player he is today — one of the game’s most admired figures.
“The (Martin) journey (has been great) ... to sit on the bench when he come off with all the insecurities and anxiety about stuff, and to be able to lead him on and help him along the way (has been satisfying),” Williams told the Sacked Podcast.
“I am so proud of how far he has come.
“I remember when my youngest son (Louis) was at Caulfield Grammar and we decided to help Dustin in talking to the Year 9 (students) about his journey.
“Dustin had never talked to anyone in his life. We put a presentation together with slides. The headmaster said ‘I’m worried he is going to swear in front of the kids’.
“They wrote back (after the presentation) and said ‘this was terrific, he can come every year and talk to the students’.”
One of the game’s best kicks, Martin has been a strong advertisement for the Sherrin Precision ball, which Williams created and designed to assist players of all ages and sizes in honing their kicking skills.
The leather version of the Sherrin Precision is now being used by nine AFL clubs, with advocates including Martin and four-time premiership player Shaun Burgoyne.
“I’m a Phys-Ed teacher and I have seen, for years, parents, coaches and teachers struggle with how to teach players how to kick, so I invented this ball,” he said.
“It’s got a big sweet spot on the end of it and it has a spin line that gives immediate feedback.
“There are also 15 one or two-minute videos (with drills).
“My heart and soul is about development, my heart and soul is seeing the struggles of people and finding a solution.
“I had Shaun Burgoyne doing this kicking when he was 18.
“I had all the Giants players ... I have photos and videos of the Richmond players doing it.”
Williams and his family maintain a strong relationship with Martin, despite the fact he hasn't been at Richmond since the end of the 2016 season.
“I look forward to the friendship continuing for many years to come,” he said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/mark-williams-pride-in-dustin-martins-ability-to-overcome-anxiety-and-mental-health-obstacles/news-story/e37f5069d8a303033ec1c3eba51987d8
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AFL star Dustin Martin has a case of the sads at fashion event
By Wayne Flower In Melbourne
Daily Mail
22 Aug 2019
Fans lined up for hours to get a moment of happiness with their idol.
Some kids had been there for up to three hours in advance.
Four minutes before AFL Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin arrived, the crowd was warned he was coming and that he had an hour to spare.
There's no doubt Dustin Martin is popular - not just because he's a superstar who transcends the various football codes in Australia - but because he's seen as a real man of the people.
There are countless reports of Martin selflessly giving up his spare time - without publicity - to visit sick kids in hospital or take time out to inspire young footy players.
But this wasn't the Martin out doing the rounds of Melbourne on Wednesday to promote his latest fashion range for underwear giant Bonds.
He looked anything but pleased to be the centre of attention on Wednesday.
On the field, Martin is a beacon of confidence.
The footy ground is clearly where the Tiger's champion is meant to shine.
And shine he does.
Whether it was the television cameras situated in the Bonds shop in Melbourne Central, or the crowd itself, Dusty seemed a bit ... dusty.
The waiting media was told Martin would meet and greet the fans and pose for pictures with them before giving a few minutes to answer some questions from reporters.
Martin has been an 'ambassador' for Bonds for a few years now so he's surely accustomed to the drill.
To be fair, none of the fans who queued up to meet Dusty would have much to complain about.
He signed posters, he signed jumpers and he cracked smiles for photos.
What more could have they asked for?
Some pleasant banter? Perhaps.
Watching Dusty meet his fans on Wednesday was like watching a teenage boyfriend meeting his girlfriend's dad.
He looked uncomfortable. Annoyed. Hurried. Anxious.
Who knows what is going on in the footballer's life?
Certainly none of the reporters who had lobbed into the shop to help him push his line of clothing.
The spiel goes that Martin has co-designed his first street wear inspired range of tees, hoodies, cap and beanie, reflecting his 'unique sense of style'.
But the AFL champ is hardly Jack Nicholson.
There was no list of questions he could and could not be asked.
Martin told a Channel 10 reporter he had 'always been into fashion'.
He 'had a bit of fun' with it, he said - deadpan.
Post footy, Martin reckons he 'definitely' wanted to remain involved in the fashion business.
He spoke of his favourite label and his 'joy' at being involved with Bonds.
Stung with a final question, Martin revealed his favourite item was in fact the very hoodie he was wearing to the Bonds event.
As the camera dipped down, Martin was blind-sided by another question.
'What does your girlfriend think of the gear?'.
You may think it's not an unusual question to ask a bloke who is pushing a line of clothing.
In March, it was reported Martin was dating model Chontelle Berryman.
It was a well-placed rumour that both Martin and Berryman shot down in flames.
'Sorry?' Martin asked before giving a death stare that Clint Eastwood would have approved of.
'No comment?' the reporter asked.
With that, the towering champ's protecting angel stepped into defend the po-faced hero.
'Don't do that,' Dusty's manager Ralph Carr said, before giving the reporter a shove in the back.
Carr is a high-profile celebrity manager who could pass as a double for Joe Pesci's character from Goodfellas.
The reporter, of which was this very scribe, bit back and the mop-headed agent took a step back and denied he had shoved anyone.
But shove he did.
As Martin's worshippers continued to flood into the store, I left.
Martin had more hands to shake and more smiles to force over at another shop.
And he was in a rush. Or so it seemed.
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Politician in the making: Dustin Martin takes hold of a toddler while pushing his hoodies at Bonds' Melbourne Central shop. He did not like a question about what his girlfriend thought of the gear
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7378105/AFL-legend-Dustin-Martin-cracks-sads-Bonds-fashion-event.html
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What kind of garbage hit piece was that? Flog must be one of Rita Panhandler's mates... >:(
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News Corp now running with it ::).
Journo’s dust-up over Dusty’s ‘girlfriend’
News Corp
22 Aug 2019
A reporter has accused Dustin Martin’s manager of shoving him in the back when he asked the AFL star about the model he is rumoured to be dating
The Daily Mail’s Wayne Flower says the Richmond midfielder’s manager Ralph Carr objected to him asking “What does your girlfriend think of the gear?” he was promoting at Bonds Melbourne Central shop this week.
“You may think it’s not an unusual question to ask a bloke who is pushing a line of clothing.
In March, it was reported Martin was dating model Chontelle Berryman,” Flower wrote. “It was a well-placed rumour that both Martin and Berryman shot down in flames.”
But after Martin only offered “Sorry?” in response, with a “a death stare that Clint Eastwood would have approved of”, Flower said “the towering champ’s protecting angel stepped in”.
“Don’t do that,” Carr reportedly said, before “giving the reporter a shove in the back”.
“Carr is a high-profile celebrity manager who could pass as a double for Joe Pesci’s character from Goodfellas,” Flower wrote. “(The) mop-headed agent took a step back and denied he had shoved anyone. But shove he did.”
Flower was also critical of Martin’s appearance while he posed for photographs with fans, describing him as “dusty”.
“Watching Dusty meet his fans on Wednesday was like watching a teenage boyfriend meeting his girlfriend’s dad,” Flower wrote. “He looked uncomfortable. Annoyed. Hurried. Anxious.
Who knows what is going on in the footballer’s life?”
The report contrasts with Martin’s recent resurgence on the field where he’s arguably resumed his mantle as the AFL’s best player in recent weeks.
Martin has elevated his form to a level similar to 2017, when he polled record votes to claim the Brownlow Medal.
Martin, who is ineligible for this year’s award after serving a suspension, had 35 disposals, 13 inside-50s and a goal against the Eagles on the weekend. “I thought he started to turn the game for us, started to get some really important possession,” Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/reporters-dustup-over-dustin-martins-girlfriend/news-story/768101b45e1c5c38e34f31102cd02db8
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what a disgraceful journo this guy is
who knows what is happening in this guys life? FMD i thought journos couldnt go any lower but this guy takes the cake
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Tall poppy syndrome, for real...
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Pathetic article but....
Will admit I did have a giggle at the description of Ralph :snidegrin
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Pathetic article but....
Will admit I did have a giggle at the description of Ralph :snidegrin
I'll never abuse you for bagging Ralph! :lol
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Daily Mail bringing its Fleet St gossip trash to Australia ::).
From a Sydney food blogger to 'Mrs M': Inside the VERY private dating life of AFL superstar Dustin Martin and why he prefers interstate romances (just don't ask him about it)
Tiger legend Dustin Martin recently split with his Sydney food blogger girlfriend
Martin looked relaxed as he enjoyed a pleasant backyard party with his mates
The Tiger's manager shoved a journalist after he asked Martin about the girl
Martin has also been linked to Phoebe Carpenter, who dated Mitch Pearce
Do you know more? Email tips@dailymail.com
By Wayne Flower In Melbourne For Daily Mail Australia
and Hannah Moore For Daily Mail Australia
18:24 AEST, 23 August 2019
Now we know the real reason why AFL champion Dustin Martin was upset about being asked whether his girlfriend liked his new fashion clothing range.
Daily Mail Australia can reveal the Brownlow Medallist and Richmond Tigers hero has only recently broken up with glamorous Sydney food blogger and physiotherapist, Tania Acitelli.
Friends say the pair had been dating since December – the latest in a string of beautiful women that has caught the champ’s attention.
Martin has previously been linked to Phoebe Carpenter, who once dated rugby league star Mitch Pearce.
She was referred to by other WAGs in social posts as 'Mrs M'.
Pictures of Martin relaxing at a backyard party and chillling out at lunch with friends give a rare glimpse inside the elite footballer's private world.
And it would appear that Martin is keen to keep his personal life as far away from footy mad Melbourne as possible.
'Dustin likes interstate romances,' one source said.
At the launch of his new Bonds range on Tuesday, Martin was asked by Daily Mail Australia 'what his girlfriend thought of the new gear'.
Instead of laughing the question off, Martin gave the reporter a 'death stare' before his manager stepped in.
'This is the real reason he was confused by (the) girlfriend question,' the source said.
'Tania came down to Melbourne and stayed with Dustin the weekend he was suspended from the AFL and she was the reason he didn't go to visit his dad,' it was claimed.
Martin received a one-match suspension in round three and was fined $1500 over an off-the-ball strike on his GWS opponent Adam Kennedy. During the same match he was caught flipping the bird and making a snorting gesture.
'He took Tania that weekend to former teammate Tommy Hislop's daughter's first birthday. After his GWS game debacle he stayed at Tania’s apartment in Sydney that she shares with former Big Brother contestant, Lisa Clark.'
Photos obtained by DMA show a relaxed Martin at Hislop's party.
Ms Acitelli is pictured at the party alongside Martin.
The attractive blogger, who posts about her food exploits using a saucy Instagram handle, is also a successful physio at Pro Health Physio in Lane Cove, Sydney.
She was fully booked on Friday, but was seen heading back from a quick lunch break just before 12.30.
The part-time food blogger was wearing grey trousers with a white shirt, covered by a puffer jacket bearing the logo of her workplace.
She was carrying a burger and had her brow furrowed as she spoke to a friend on the phone.
When approached by Daily Mail Australia, Ms Acitelli appeared shocked before politely declining to comment.
She has a little over 30,000 followers on Instagram, including Sydney Roosters star and captain, Jake Friend, and other prominent sports and media identities, including Martin.
'Dustin is very full-on about his private life,' the source said.
Martin's manager Ralph Carr did not respond to a series of questions about the footballer's dating life.
'It is our firm policy that neither we or Dustin make comment on his private life,' he said.
Martin is also believed to have previously dated Phoebe Carpenter, who is also the ex-girlfriend of Newcastle Knights halfback, Mitchell Pearce.
When Martin split with her, other WAGS took to Instagram saying they 'miss our little Phoebe'.
It was a rumour that both Martin and Berryman shot down in flames.
If social media posts are anything to go by, Ms Carpenter and Martin were indeed smitten for at least a while.
In one post, a friend at a Tigers match refers to her as 'Mrs M'.
Martin was back where is most comfortable on Friday - pictured during a Richmond training session at the Swinburne Centre in Richmond.
When facing media this week, Martin cared only to discuss his line of fashion with underwear giant Bonds.
Martin said he had 'always been into fashion'.
He 'had a bit of fun' with it, he said .
Post footy, Martin reckons he 'definitely' wanted to remain involved in the fashion business.
He spoke of his favourite label and his 'joy' at being involved with Bonds.
Stung with a final question, Martin revealed his favourite item was in fact the very hoodie he was wearing to the Bonds event.
Daily Mail Australia has contacted Phoebe Carpenter for comment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7385873/A-look-inside-private-dating-life-Dustin-Martin.html
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Richmond star Dustin Martin’s heart may be in Sydney, with links to two Sydney beauties revealed.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/richmond-star-dustin-martins-heart-may-be-in-sydney-with-links-to-two-sydney-beauties-revealed/news-story/3c92cd7b97d1c73c8430ab17c079e57d
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Richmond star Dustin Martin’s heart may be in Sydney, with links to two Sydney beauties revealed.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/richmond-star-dustin-martins-heart-may-be-in-sydney-with-links-to-two-sydney-beauties-revealed/news-story/3c92cd7b97d1c73c8430ab17c079e57d
Sounds like the flogs are now trying to start a "Dusty seeking release to Sydney/GWS" rumour... :shh
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Just pathetic picking on a bloke for being shy more or less. He doesn't want to talk about her his personal life which is fine.
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Dusty ready and primed for a big September. That last quarter goal where he busted through two Lions was straight out of 2017.
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How good was that goal!!!!!
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Best player in the comp right now.
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Back to his mesmerising best. The best player I can remember seeing play, ever. What a day to be a tigers supporter when this guy is doing things like that!
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The proof Dusty is back to his best
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
August 26, 2019 4:38pm
They are the Dusty “Don’t-Argues” that prove Richmond’s brilliant matchwinner is back in his marauding 2017 form.
Spring is in the air, which means Richmond’s $8 million man has found a step again on the eve of finals.
Use all the metrics you want, but in his past two weeks the Martin fend-off has been rediscovered.
Just ask Marcus Adams and Noah Answerth, who were thrust aside as Martin kicked the sealing goal against Brisbane.
Or West Coast pair Jack Redden and Andrew Gaff the week before in yet another double Dusty Don’t Argue.
Of course Champion Data has statistics for these things, and they show Martin had broken 15 tackles in the first 18 rounds and eight in the past fortnight alone.
Martin isn’t just flying after a quiet start to the year, he is eclipsing his 2017 performances on the last five weeks.
Martin’s 2017 season, which included the Brownlow Medal, Norm Smith Medal and premiership, saw him average 20.9 AFL ranking points, 29.8 disposals, 519 metres gained and 1.5 goals.
Since Round 18 this year, Martin has averaged 22 ranking points (up 1.1 points), 31.6 disposals (up 1.8), 635 metres gained (up 116 metres).
In 2017 he averaged 1.7 more contested possessions and 1.4 more clearances but the fact remains his form is white-hot.
Early in the season as Martin was smashed by Matt de Boer in a 49-point loss to GWS and fined for flipping the bird, Damien Hardwick was forced to defend his form.
“We can quite easily lump it on an individual or we can say there’s 22 blokes out there.
‘We can’t rely on Dustin to play to an incredible level week in week out.”
As the Tigers regained their mojo Martin has gradually turned from mediocre to excellent to spectacularly good again.
His willingness to shrug off opponents, burst forward then hit difficult kicks inside the centre corridor has been evident of these past weeks.
Martin’s last two finals series are polar opposites — one of footy’s great Septembers then abject misery after he carried a knee injury into last year’s semi-final.
Just as Damien Hardwick needs to put in place plans for Lachie Neale after 51 possessions on Sunday, Chris Fagan will spent the week sweating about Richmond’s dominant star.
Dustin Martin
2017 vs Last 5 Weeks/Change
AFL Ratings 20.9 v 22.0 +1.1
Disposals 29.8 v 31.6 +1.8
Metres Gained 519 v 635 +116
Cont Poss 14.5 v 12.8 -1.7
Clearances 6.4 v 5.0 -1.4
Score Inv 9.0 v 8.4 -0.6
Goals: 1.5 v 1.4 -0.1
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dusty-martin-back-in-brownlow-medal-form-in-time-to-lead-richmonds-premiership-charge/news-story/35bae966f4f5a51879a43c2cd382ac2a
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DUSTY NOT LOSING SLEEP (OR CASH) OVER ALL-AUSTRALIAN
Dustin Martin’s contentious All-Australian snub didn’t cost him any cash, with every cent of his seven-year contract guaranteed.
Those who know him well say he wasn’t that fussed, telling them he is all about winning another flag.
Martin was totally exhausted by the end of last season after trying to back up his extraordinary 2017 season but, like many Richmond players, was determined to peak for finals this year.
And, ominously for rivals, he couldn’t be in better physical or mental health.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/moneyball-latest-afl-trade-and-contract-news/news-story/38a0ff38f78fbed463b8779d6852a4de
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Dustin Martin’s spiritual awakening
Lauren Wood,
Herald Sun
7 September 2019
Dustin Martin has undergone a spiritual awakening.
There was an off-season hike in Ubud, and then the decision to read to learn “real things” rather than watching “garbage TV”.
He also revealed earlier this year that he had his nose tucked inside Eckhart Tolle’s The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment.
Best mate and Richmond captain Trent Cotchin describes Martin’s transformation as an “interesting phase” that stretches well beyond the football field.
“(The endeavour) hasn’t been about his footy really, it’s just been about his life,” the skipper says.
“I think he’s mentioned that he’s suffered a bit of anxiety here and there, and is just finding new ways of just being in the moment rather than worrying about what has happened or what is going to happen.
“I know that he loves yoga, when I tell people that he’s read a few books, some find it hard to believe.”
To further complete this new-age approach, 28-year-old Martin follows a host of spiritual guidance accounts on Instagram and meditates regularly.
“Evolve to higher self,” one reads.
“As we grow up, we realise it becomes less important to have more friends and more important to have real friends,” says another.
Cotchin says the change in Martin has brought the pair even closer.
“The thing that I love about Dusty’s journey is how much he’s just explored in learning about himself,” Cotchin says.
“And others, particularly.
“There’s been a number of times where I’ve said he’s one of the most caring people in our footy club or that I even know, and I think that would surprise a lot of people given how he can come across at times in the media or just in general.
“He’s very genuine and cares a lot. It’s just been good to watch.”
It seems a million miles from the nervous kid who was drafted from the Bendigo Pioneers and thrust in front of the media, let alone the day in July 2012 when he was suspended, and teammate Daniel Connors sacked, for missing training as a result of taking sleeping pills.
Those closest to him say he’s grown up, with his maturity now a major asset.
Martin — like many Tigers — has long worked closely with mind coach Emma Murray.
The self-confessed introvert struggled with the attention that followed his record-breaking 2017 season — a premiership, a Brownlow Medal, the Norm Smith Medal, the club best-and-fairest, an All-Australian blazer and the AFL Players’ Association and Coaches’ Association MVP awards
“It’s like, ‘s…, what’s next?’,” he told website Complex in a rare interview at the end of 2018.
Cotchin says the toll had been evident last year.
“If you asked anyone, particularly if you’re the most talked about player in the competition, you probably do get sick of people talking about you, either behind your back or in the paper,” he said.
“That can sometimes just take a toll on you.”
Cotchin says Martin is his own harshest critic with regards to performance.
“He cares, so he feels like, ‘If I’m not performing to the level that I think I should be, then I’m letting my teammates down’.
“He went on a journey of working out what he really values, but also what others really value of him.
“It gave him a lot of clarity.”
Martin’s long-time manager Ralph Carr – who describes the Tiger as a “hugely bankable brand” – says his client’s personal growth in recent years is undeniable.
“I think Dustin’s personal development has been due to his personal maturity,” Carr says.
“He understands his responsibilities as a professional footballer and ambassador of the game.
“The changes I have noticed is his willingness, through more confidence, to help others and be more involved in helping Richmond achieve the ultimate success.”
All-Australian Tiger defender Bachar Houli says his Brownlow Medal-winning teammate has discovered his voice.
“I’ve got to, over the last two or three years, spend a little bit more time with Dusty, and the way he speaks up in meetings now … you can tell he’s matured a lot,” Houli says.
“He’s all about the team … it’s about giving it to someone in a better position, as well.
“That shows growth in his football and off-field, his decision has been to really change his life. I’m sure Trent Cotchin has had a massive impact on his life, as well.”
It’s an evolution that has impressed the hierarchy at Punt Rd.
Richmond football boss Neil Balme says the beginning of the season saw Martin “doing a lot of the hard work” in the absence of fellow senior players, but as the team got stronger, so has he.
Between Rounds 1 and 6, he averaged 21 possessions a game. By the last five games, that average rocketed to 32.
His more vocal nature, according to Balme, has been a welcome addition to his already blistering football ability.
“He’s turned into a damn good leader, actually. Terrific,” Balme says.
“He now realises that his teammates want and are interested in his opinion – they want his buy-in.
“They want to know what he’s thinking and they want to be able to engage with him. He’s not the noisiest, but he’s grown into it.”
Balme has just about seen it all in football with a playing and administration career that spans six almost decades.
While the fast haircut and stunning array of tattoos isn’t really his flavour, he remains regularly stunned by the Martin’s undeniable brilliance.
“No matter how long you’ve been involved, and no matter how much you normalize it, every now and again he’ll do something and you go, ‘Gee whiz – he can play’,” Balme says.
“He still does that fairly regularly, which is good. He’s not trying something impossible, it’s just the way he plays. And he is still great to watch.”
Cotchin isn’t surprised by interest in his close relationship with Martin – or “Uncle Usty” to the Cotchin kids, who love spending time with the star onballer.
He understands how from the outside they might seem like football’s Odd Couple.
But the further evolution of his teammate, fellow premiership player and friend has only seen his pride swell as the pair hunt a second flag in three years in coming weeks.
“The majority of our values align really well, and that’s why we have such a special friendship,” Cotchin says.
“I’m more proud about him in life and in general more so than footy.
“To me, that’s just part of him, whereas there’s a whole lot more to him than what we see every day.”
DUSTIN MARTIN 2019
Mid-forward
Disposals: 27.1 ELITE
Contested possessions: 10.7 ELITE
Metres gained: 476 ELITE
Clearances: 4.5 ELITE
Assists: 1.6 ELITE
Score Involvements: 7.1 ELITE
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martins-spiritual-awakening-revealed/news-story/3f4a4ff9304b5010c067bce4e9bdd845
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Dusty's spring field
Michael Gleeson
The Age
7 September 2019
Dusty Martin has played one poor final. It was his last one, and he was injured.
The fact that ordinarily he is anything but ordinary in September would be reason to think that this again will be Dusty’s time. That he didn’t do well last time is the even more compelling reason to think this will be Dusty’s month.
What drives Dusty Martin, and what makes him the player who perhaps threatens to shape September more than any other player, is not physical.
He has the physical tools that make him good, but in September there are a lot of good players. The difference with Martin is he has an attitude that makes him a great.
Those who know him at Richmond, like former assistant coach Mark Williams, say he is driven by a determination not to let anyone down.
“A great deal of it is about making his dad – and his mum – proud. That really drives him. He wants to make those he loves - his parents and his teammates and his coach 'Dimma' [Damien Hardwick] – proud of him. He doesn’t want to let them down, he wants to be the one they rely on,” Williams said.
“He is very protective so he wants to look after them and do it for them.
“He loves to deliver for his teammates, he does not want to let 'Dimma' or his teammates down. That drives him. He cares about them.”
The fact he had a poor preliminary final last year was in part a product of this. Martin suffered a bad corkie and probably should not have played, but did not want to let anyone down, so he played.
“Until this year he hardly missed a game but he has learnt it is not always the best thing to play hurt,” another Richmond person said.
“Some days he could hardly walk on the Thursday and he would still get up and play because he just loves playing.”
Telling Martin he could not play due to injury is about the most unenviable job at the club.
It might come as a surprise given assumptions based on image but Dusty Martin is also meticulous with his preparation.
The idea that he played with the injury and could not have the impact he wanted last year will be scratching away at the back of Martin’s head this year, according to some who know him well, and will accentuate the already strong desire to be the player who performs for his teammates.
“He likes to make people proud and he has that belief he can make a difference. He wants the ball because he knows he can make a difference and has complete confidence in himself,” Williams added.
Another Richmond person described him succinctly: “He is a give-me-the-ball player.”
There are players who, when things are at the most critical, do not want the ball. The responsibility is too much. Martin isn’t one of those players.
“I think Dusty and very elite players live for the big stage. Whereas some might hide and fade away under the microscope that's where he gets great,” Williams said.
“He grows another leg in regard to belief. He likes chasing carrots and for him the carrot is, 'OK, I’ve won one, I want to win another. What is the next thing I have not done?' He likes the challenge of the occasion and what he can do on the biggest stage.
“In finals there is typically more pressure, more intensity, more contact, more collisions, more contests and he fires in those conditions.”
While he was surprisingly left out of the All-Australian team last week, Martin has been close to the form that has already won him a Brownlow and a Norm Smith Medal as Richmond finished the home-and-away season with a nine-game winning streak.
At Richmond the Dusty-and-Tigers riddle is a chicken-and-egg conundrum: what came first Dusty’s form or Richmond’s? You can’t unscramble the two.
“We just started to get on a roll and we all started to hit some form at the right time. I don't know if it was part of us just getting him (Martin) more involved in the game,” teammate Dion Prestia said this week.
He acknowledged something that Williams raised, that some people in Martin’s situation would be satisfied with their achievement. Martin looks for the next thing to chase, the next carrot as Williams put it.
“It would be pretty hard after everything that he has won over the last couple of years to keep going," Prestia said.
"There is not much more motivation you need than to get another premiership under your belt.
"His last six or seven weeks have been amazing. He is a big-time player. This week off, I would say has freshened everyone up and got everyone ready to go."
Martin is ready to go. It’s finals, it's spring, the field is Dusty’s.
He makes it look easy but then, as Dusty would know, being good isn’t always easy no matter how hard you try.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-s-spring-field-20190905-p52ofs.html
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Dusty's performance sublime.
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Extraordinary.
When your best mid is being well held in the middle so you put him deep forward and he jags 6.
Just amazing!
Great tap to Jack too haha
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he is a freak
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Fagan was hilarious in his press conference. Was just shaking his head wondering how to stop him.
“Was awesome the last week at the G in the middle so we do well to try to stop him tonight in the midfield but he just waltzed up forward and kicks six”.
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Dustin Martin in attack is the Tigers' ace card
The biggest story of last year's shock preliminary final was Collingwood's American import Mason Cox being the surprise hero. The second was the output of Martin, who was struggling with a leg injury and limped to the end of the season. If any player personified Richmond's exit from the 2018 premiership race, it was Martin. He had a glint in the eye against the Lions and was at his brilliant best. With an equal career-best six goal haul, Martin was dominant spending more time in attack, getting back to his commanding 2017 form. Heck, Martin was even so good he got away with a blatant throw in the third quarter that led to a Jack Riewoldt goal.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-07/five-things-we-learned-brisbane-v-richmond
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Who can go the distance with Tiger Dustin Martin?
Michael Gleeson
The Age
9 September 2019
There are few players who can match up on Dustin Martin. Put another way, Dustin Martin needs a few players to match up on him.
Few teams have one player able to break even with Martin in all parts of the ground. He needs two or more players at different times and in different modes – forward or mid. (He might also need a dedicated umpire to keep an eye out for the amusing sleight of hand scoop throw such as he did on Saturday night, allowing Jack Riewoldt to goal.)
When Martin went to the goal square for the second half he drew the honest trier Marcus Adams to the loneliest place in football. From the first centre break the ball went long to them in the goal square. Martin was one out with the taller and presumably stronger Adams. They wrestled and grappled. Martin goaled.
At a boundary throw in soon after Martin looked around and realised he was still being manned by the bigger, slower Adams who was standing over his shoulder. Martin burst across the front of the rucks, scooped in the ball and at the time he goaled, Adams was looking around wondering where he had gone.
Martin had Jarrod Berry for a while. Berry is quicker than Adams but shorter and lighter. He didn’t last long in the job.
They moved Luke Hodge to him. Hodge was Brisbane’s best player on the night, and it might say something about how they went that a 35-year-old champion was their best player. But this was vintage Hodge. Finals footy brought out the best in him in a way that it could not with peer Gary Ablett on Friday night.
Hodge had the strength and smarts to match Martin. He also had an aura to compare with Martin’s. Martin is like Shane Warne in that he worries some opponents out of the game before the ball comes to them. Hodge didn’t fret.
Hodge was as close to the ideal match-up as you can have. There are other players similarly equipped, but unfortunately one of them was playing for Richmond at the other end of the ground. Dylan Grimes has the rare pace, size, strength and overhead game to be the complete defender, tall or small. Just ask Charlie Cameron.
Collingwood, who are through to a preliminary final, did have a match up for Martin. It was Levi Greenwood, who went down with a knee injury on Friday night.
The prospects for any team playing Richmond are significantly influenced by whether they have the player, or players, who can play on Martin.
In their preliminary final Richmond will confront either West Coast or Geelong. The Eagles’ Mark Hutchings’ tagging when on the ball has been as effective as GWS’s Matt De Boer at containing the best players.
Dustin Martin kicks his fourth goal of the night after roving a ruck contest in superb fashion
Geelong used Jake Kolodjashnij on Jordan De Goey on Friday night and he did well until De Goey suffered his injury. Kolodjashnij physically is a good match up for Martin when forward.
Ordinarily Martin would have rotated into the midfield more than he did on Saturday night, but a few things conspired against that, one being that he was hot as a forward and didn’t want to move.
Shane Edwards said when Martin is in that frame of mind and the goals are coming he just shakes off the player looking for a rotation.
The second was that he felt he had a mismatch for his opponents and was exploiting it.
What he offers Richmond is a plan C up forward. Richmond’s new structure with two rucks and two key forwards was not working for much of the first half. They couldn’t win the territory battle and couldn’t score.
They changed to the pre-Tom Lynch style where the forward line sucks up the ground and balls get sent forward into space for the small runners – Dan Rioli and Shai Bolton, in particular – to stream forward for goals.
Then they put option C into action: send Dusty to the goal square and let him work it out.
Martin remains the most dynamic and dangerous player in the finals because, right now, not one of the finalists has a player who can go with him over the ground. Knowing this, he rolls up and down to exploit the match-up he has.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/4-points-who-can-go-the-distance-with-tiger-dustin-martin-20190908-p52p6o.html
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Dusty with a history of owning Brisbane.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-09-09/dusty-the-lion-tamer
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David King breaks down Dustin Martin’s six-goal haul that mauled Lions
By SEN
10 September 2019
Richmond star Dustin Martin inspired Richmond to a third consecutive Preliminary Final with a match-winning performance against Brisbane.
Martin’s scintillating six-goal haul from just 14 disposals led the Tigers to a 47-point Qualifying Final win over the Lions as the 2017 Brownlow Medallist wreaked havoc when shifted forward.
Dual North Melbourne premiership player David King says the manner in which Brisbane play meant Martin was going to haver a greater influence forward of the ball.
“When you play Brisbane or Geelong for that matter … the game lives in contest. The game basically plays in that tram track 10-15 metres from the boundary line,” King told SEN’s Whateley.
“It’s very difficult to get possession, you have to win your own ball.
“Dusty’s not a great boundary line player. He doesn’t venture to the boundary.
“He doesn’t go outside of that; he likes to stay corridor side. For him to rack up big numbers in that sort of game is difficult to do.
“In that game, he found it really difficult as a true midfielder to get possession, that’s why he only had 14. He clearly decided, or Damien (Hardwick) decided, that my damage to be done tonight is forward of centre.
“He basically played the second half in the forward line, kicked four goals and they didn’t have a match-up for him.”
King was surprised at the lack of moves from Brisbane’s coaches box when the star Tiger began to run riot after half time.
“He has mauled the Brisbane Lions and they have not tried one thing different against him,” he said.
“Darcy Gardiner could have done the job, he did a great job on Jack Riewoldt, but they had other options for Riewoldt.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/10/king-breaks-down-martins-six-goal-haul-that-mauled-lions/
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Fox Footy's ad titled "Yes he can!" celebrating Dusty's 6 goals.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1171713742436020224
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Wow great insights there King. Dusty kicked 6 goals because he played predominantly forward. WOW!!!!
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'How I’d try to stop Dusty'
by Paul Roos
Players Voice
September 13, 2019
TALE OF TWO STARS
Damien Hardwick got a lot of credit for his tactics during the Tigers’ win over Brisbane last weekend.
The weekend games gave a great illustration of two star players, Dustin Martin and Marcus Bontempelli, and how they were handled differently by their opposition.
... Chris Fagan chose not to put a hard tag on Dustin Martin.
While Dustin certainly didn’t dominate through the middle of the ground, I think, tactically, Damien Hardwick made a great call, the catalyst being that Richmond weren’t going well.
He recognised that Darcy Gardiner, who would be Dustin’s normal opponent if Dustin was forward, was occupied with Jack Riewoldt, because Riewoldt beat Marcus Adams in the previous game.
With all due respect to Marcus Adam, he didn’t really have a match-up because he was too good for Adams on the ground and Gardiner, who’s more agile, was occupied with Jack Riewoldt.
The tale of the tape for those two champions: Bontempelli endured a hard tag, his team played poorly and the coach tried to help him out but it didn’t work; Dustin Martin didn’t get a hard tag, was able to go forward and showed his form in finals is exceptional.
THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP DUSTIN
There is no reason Dustin can’t dominate the finals. It’s about the health of a player and he looks very fit.
It’s also about the form of the team and they are performing really well.
He looks good and the team looks good so the only question I would have is, is a team that plays against him in a preliminary final going to put a really hard tag on him?
For me, that’s the only thing that could stop Dustin now in some shape or form. But given his capacity to go forward, it always makes him tougher to tag.
Certainly, if I was coaching against him I would put someone on him and run with him everywhere, then maybe hand him over when he goes forward.
At this stage, teams haven’t put as much focus on him as you might expect for a player of his calibre.
On the weekend, we really only saw one of the top midfielders getting tagged in four games.
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/paul-roos-how-id-try-to-stop-dusty/
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Dusty Martin given freedom to decide between midfield or attack by Richmond coach Damien Hardwick
Jon Ralph,
Herald Sun
September 16, 2019
Dustin Martin will again have carte blanche to push forward and wreak maximum destruction after tearing apart Brisbane with his six-goal qualifying final haul.
Tigers captain Trent Cotchin revealed on Sunday that Martin was given his own head about deciding when to play as a bulldozing midfielder or lethal small forward during games.
No player has kicked more than the six goals he poured on against the Lions since Lance Franklin’s eight goals in the 2008 qualifying final.
Against the Lions he played 58 per cent of game time forward as he cashed in on a match-up against Marcus Adams, with Tom Lynch dragging Harris Andrews away from the action.
That move appeared more by design but Cotchin said Martin would likely dictate where he played against Geelong.
“It is a question you have to ask Dimma (Damien Hardwick). Dusty is pretty good at both. It’s the beauty of his talent, that he can impact games in a number of positions,” he said.
It is typically most of the time a decision (Martin makes).
“There might be a call from the box or a suggestion from a player if they are game enough.”
Martin has averaged only 41 per cent of game time as a forward this year, tending to start in the centre square then eventually push forward.
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A favourable match-up can keep him in the forward line longer than planned, with the Cats sure to tag him with in-form midfielder Cam Guthrie.
He and Scott Selwood took responsibility for Martin in the 2017 preliminary final, keeping him to 14 possessions and little influence to half time.
He exploded after half time and finished with 12 score involvements and 157 ranking points.
Martin had hit the wall physically and emotionally by this time last year, injured leading into the preliminary final and the season having taken its toll.
But this year after a slower start to the year he feels at his physical peak, desperately motivated to repeat the 2017 premiership heroics.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dusty-martin-given-freedom-to-decide-between-midfield-or-attack-by-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick/news-story/75161eab0d944a391468981f7d518877
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Dustin Martin – 7
The Brownlow Medallist played on one leg after copping a knock in the first quarter, but lifted in the second half to lead the Tigers' resurgence. His composure in tight to set up Dion Prestia's goal was superb. Still finished with 22 disposals.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Hopefully all clear and minor corky.
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The Daily Mail is obsessed with Dusty.
Dustin Martin looked pumped during his last training session ahead of the AFL Grand Final at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on Saturday.
The Richmond superstar was seen psyching himself up at Punt Road Oval on Thursday before the Tigers take on the Greatest Western Sydney Giants on the game's biggest stage.
The 28-year-old went through light drills alongside his teammates and discussed tactics with Richmond defensive coach Justin Leppitsch.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7507441/Richmond-Tigers-Dustin-Martin-powers-training-AFL-grand-final.html
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Dusty’s media don’t argue … after 76 seconds
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
27 September 2019
It was the Dusty Martin cold shoulder as lethal as his famous ‘don’t argue’. After the brilliant Richmond star’s no-show at a scheduled press conference on Monday the media pack made a beeline for him at yesterday’s Grand Final parade.
The famously media-shy Martin started with some genuine insight into Marlion Pickett after the shock debutant bunked down at the Martin residence in his first weeks at the club.
Yet like Martin burning away from a stoppage, he was gone before anyone could tackle him on the curly questions.
His media contribution to the parade lasted just five questions and 76 seconds before Martin turned his back and simply refused to answer any more questions.
Asked about likely tagger Matt de Boer, he simply answered: “Mate, I am not going to do any more questions.” And then he turned away from those waiting cameras.
The more the media probed, the further he turned his back and towards his good mate and protector Trent Cotchin sitting beside him in the back of the parade car.
The media was left without answers on the impending de Boer-Martin battle, why he snapped in Round 3 against de Boer and any potential follow-up sledging of Shane Mumford following his fine for mocking his cocaine episode.
Yet on a day when 43 players were happy to talk it was more comical than controversial — another chapter in those magnificent Dusty Files.
In that minute before he retreated back into his shell he seemed genuinely thrilled for former housemate Pickett.
“He is just a genuine caring person and put his head down and worked hard and I couldn’t be prouder of him or the club for giving him a chance,” he said.
“It’s special and he will be up to it. I am looking forward to seeing what he can bring.”
Martin said he was much more relaxed than in 2017 — and much fitter than last year’s preliminary final loss when he could hardly run.
“You always have got little niggles here and there, but it’s good to be a bit fresher,” he said.
A handful of cars behind him, Jack Dyer Medal favourite Dion Prestia was much more effusive about the challenge de Boer would bring.
Midfield coach Adam Kingsley has already prepared Martin and Prestia for the tagging Giants’ tactics, even if Prestia will back in his hard-running style.
“I think against Carlton (Ed) Curnow might have gone to me halfway through the first quarter. It’s the only attention I have had for a while,” he said.
And what happened in that Round 21 battle, as Prestia ran himself ragged with 35 touches?
“I got three Brownlow votes, so hopefully the same thing can happen this week,” Prestia said with a laugh.
“I just talked about it when went through my tape with Adam Kingsley, our midfield coach
“It was showing different things we can do, we looked at different things (Adam) Treloar and (Scott) Pendlebury did.
“I don’t want to give too much away, we just won’t make it easy for him, not being stationary and not allowing him to tag too easily.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martins-76second-interview-at-grand-final-parade/news-story/8bf78e6636b146224cf287efa990b530
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Why Dustin Martin's dad Shane has to watch AFL Grand Final in pub.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7510463/Dustin-Martins-bikie-dad-Shane-watch-AFL-Grand-Final-New-Zealand.html
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Dustin Martin – 9
What can you say about the superstar? Grabbed his second Norm Smith Medal with 22 disposals and four goals and could have had an even bigger day if he he'd been more selfish. Kicked a goal in each quarter and his third-term snap from the left forward pocket was the icing. Had Matt de Boer's attention early but when he moved forward, just tore the game apart.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
DUSTIN MARTIN 9.5
The biggest player on the biggest stage. He was mostly forward to turn on a performance for the ages to take home another Norm for the collection. Watch out, Melbourne.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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Big-game Dusty climbs Everest again
Jay Clark and Michael Randall
Herald Sun
29 September 2019
Dustin Martin once worried what people thought.
The expectations, the fear of not playing like he did in that perfect 2017 season, and whether could once again find fulfilment on and off the football field.
For the superstar midfielder, last season was one of the most challenging of his life as he dealt with a mental health struggle and, at times, an “empty” feeling.
You could understand, he had sort of done it all.
But the exasperation of 2018 has been replaced by the exhilaration of winning a second Norm Smith Medal to go with another premiership.
Martin, 28, is now the only man in the game’s history to have two flags, a Brownlow Medal, and been best-on ground twice in a pressure-packed Grand Final.
As much as we were drawn to the Marlion Pickett story, and that unforgettable blind turn in the middle of a sun-drenched MCG, Martin also added another incredible chapter to his career snagging four goals and 22 possessions in Richmond’s 89-point premiership rout.
Clearly, the man with the best fend-off in footy is back on top of the game he loves.
“The way he can influence a game is incredible,” coach Damien Hardwick said.
“He works really hard both physically and mentally on his game and he makes us so proud.
“He will go down now as one of the all-time greats.”
Martin is now in Luke Hodge territory in terms of his big-game status after becoming only the fourth player in the game to pocket a second Norm Smith Medal, joining Gary Ayres, Andrew McLeod and Hodge.
He was dynamite in the forward half, Dusty, and curled home his third goal with a deadly snap from near the point post in the third term, after picking up a Daniel Rioli handball off the ground.
But his best moment, later in that third term, was something even Hardwick said he would cherish forever.
Lined up with a shot near the 50m line, Martin looked only in Pickett’s direction and found the debutant in open space straight in front of goal.
“I was a little bit tired and I thought he (Pickett) might have been a little bit too far out for me,” Martin said.
“But I saw him out the corner of my eye and I gave him a little nod and he worked his way into a bit of space.
“For the club to give him second chance, we all make mistakes, I couldn’t be prouder of the club.”
What a moment for the man whose life was in turmoil as a teenager when he was sent to jail for more than two years for some burglary offences.
Here’s Martin, who didn’t finish school, and Pickett, back from the brink, having the time of their lives at the home of football.
Martin said what he loves most about the Tigers is the selfless attitude which drives everyone.
“I’m lucky enough today to get the recognition but the thing that I love about this footy club is we don’t actually care who gets the touches and who kicks the goals,” Martin said.
Yes 2017 was almost the perfect season from Martin, but is it tougher to climb Mt Everest a second time, considering you’ve already taken in the view before?
Teammate Shaun Grigg said yesterday’s win may taste even sweeter for Martin than the first flag.
“He won a Norm Smith medal in 2017 playing in the midfield, wining clearances,” Grigg said.
“But playing in the front half today he has won another one as more of a forward.
“He just rises to the occasion, the bigger the better for him.”
Martin is a more mature person, he says, and as damaging on the field as he ever has been.
When Pickett kicked to him from the wing in the second term, Martin just read the ball better as he tucked in behind his nervous opponent and slotted his second.
Not long after that, it was party time.
And Martin now has one of the best resumes going around, after making the decision to stay at Punt Rd a few years ago, in the face of a monster offer from North Melbourne.
What a good call, as they look to poach a third premiership in 2020.
Hardwick said he has learned more from Martin, than the player has from his coach.
“The things that we speak about consistently like mindfulness and connection, he has had that in spades for a long, long time,” Hardwick said.
“He was ahead of the curve.”
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/norm-smith-medal-dominant-dustin-martin-claims-second-grand-final-bog/news-story/16c01bc2ef35104c1bb949ec9592910f
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Two flags.
Two Norm Smiths.
One Brownlow (so far).
Now at the stage where Dusty will down in RFC history being mentioned in the same league as KB, Royce Hart & Francis Bourke. Dyer will always be #1 but Dusty's name sits comfortably in our all time top 5.
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Loved that tweet from Andrew McLeod welcome to the club Dusty !!.
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Two flags.
Two Norm Smiths.
One Brownlow (so far).
Now at the stage where Dusty will down in RFC history being mentioned in the same league as KB, Royce Hart & Francis Bourke. Dyer will always be #1 but Dusty's name sits comfortably in our all time top 5.
Extraordinary company, isn't it?
There's actually not many other players I would put above Jack and Richardson either.
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Every time I see Martin tear through the opposition I thank Jordan McMahon for his goal after the siren. I can’t believe we have a Dusty in our team that we can throw anywhere and do serious damage
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Hardwick compares Dusty to all-time great
By SEN
30 Sep 2019
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has given Norm Smith Medallist, Dustin Martin some of the highest praise possible by comparing him to one of the all-time greats.
Martin was instrumental in his side’s premiership win, kicking four goals from his 22 disposals on the way to a second Norm Smith.
“He reminds me of one of the greatest players to ever play the game, Leigh Matthews,” Hardwick said on SEN Breakfast.
“I think he’ll just put himself where he needs to be. People sort of look at Dustin and the things that he can do; he can impact a game from a variety of position.
“What he’s become accustomed to doing is getting a greater understanding of where he’s needed and when. That’s all on him, he’s been fantastic for us.
“He just gets better and better every year for mine.”
The former Brownlow winner averaged 26 disposals a game in 2019, kicking 32 goals.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/30/hardwick-compares-dusty-to-all-time-great/
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'Dusty would be in the top three Richmond players ever': Bowden
By Paul Sebastiani
SEN
30 Sep 2019
Two-time Richmond best and fairest winner Joel Bowden has joined the chorus of praise of Dustin Martin, following Richmond's 89-point drubbing of GWS in the 2019 Grand Final.
Martin won his second Norm Smith medal in three years and was dominant on the big stage yet again, booting four goals and picking up 22 disposals.
"He would be in the top three Richmond players ever," Bowden said on SEN Afternoons.
"The record he has is phenomenal. No one has ever had a season in the history of the game like he did in 2017.
"He’s a dual Norm Smith medallist, a Brownlow Medallist a dual premiership player.
"Dustin Martin could end up going down in folklore along with Jack Dyer as a Richmond champion."
Bowden added the Tigers first goal of the game - kicked late in the first quarter by Martin - was the catalyst for what was to come in the next three quarters.
"They all seem to just go to another level with him because he’s so domintant and has the presence and that led to (Daniel) Rioli being able to smash one through from 50 metres right on the siren going into quarter time."
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/30/he-would-be-in-the-top-three-richmond-players-ever-bowden/
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Will Dustin Martin enter 2020 as the AFL's best player?
Niall Seewang, Jake Michaels and Matt Walsh
ESPN
1 Oct 2019
NS: It's hard to argue against that now. He certainly enters it as undoubtedly the league's best big-game player, but I still have Nat Fyfe narrowly ahead of Martin. Fyfe's ability to play at his best through a whole season was reflected in his second Brownlow Medal win and I think that consistency gives him the edge over Martin and Patrick Dangerfield.
JM: It's a three-horse race: Martin, Danger and Fyfe. Try and split them. If every game was a Grand Final, or any final, I'd say Martin is the first guy you want in your team, but the Tigers star just doesn't seem to get going until the back half of the season. Having said that, his best is simply breathtaking and if Richmond's dynasty continues he'll soon be in the discussion for greatest players of all time.
MW: He's just built for the big stage, isn't he? Two Norm Smith medals, a Brownlow and a couple of best and fairests. No disrespect to Patrick Dangerfield or Nat Fyfe, but they can't boast a flag win, and for Martin to have been so dominant -- twice! -- on the biggest stage of all means he's the man who goes into 2020 with the tag of being the AFL's best player.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/27732665/afl-round-table-which-team-best-placed-challenge-tigers-2019
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Pffft, I didn't think Fyfe deserved the Brownlow myself.
That's what happens when you're a great player in a dud team I guess.
Martin winning it IN A PREMIERSHIP SIDE 2017 means a lot more, given he was surrounded by good players.
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Dusty eats Danger for breakfast, then defecates Fyfe in little piles ... ::)
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Dusty is the best comfortably. Seeing what he does in finals and also when needed ala the west coast game, hawthorn game he is easily the best.
I would have given the Brownlow to Grundy for single handedly carrying the team to a top 8 finish
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Dusty has taken a while to get his head around being so good. Look at how he finished the season off in the Brownlow count.
Has me thinking he could be primed for a big - and consistently - big 2020. Should be Brownlow favourite. Getting on Board now. Just hopes he stays away from suspension trouble.
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How much is Dusty’s signature worth?
Sam Landsberger
Herald Sun
October 3, 2019
Dustin Martin’s right hand might fall off signing autographs but by the time Martin is done inking premiership memorabilia he will be able to afford a prosthetic replacement made of gold.
The most marketable superstar in the game is expected to sit through marathon autograph sessions that will reap him well over $100,000, which is pocketed outside of Richmond’s salary cap.
The healthy bonus comes to the only player in VFL-AFL history to own two premierships, two Norm Smiths and a Brownlow Medal.
Martin spent hours and hours signing thousands of pieces of Richmond memorabilia after the drought-breaking 2017 flag, earning a figure estimated around $200,000.
It is possible that combining Martin’s autograph earnings from both the 2017 and 2019 premierships could deliver the tattooed legend north of $400,000.
It is understood Martin makes less than $25 per autograph but the sheer volume of demand — and his willingness to ensure all of the Tiger Army has access to a personalised premiership memento — drives his return into six figures.
Manager Ralph Carr declined to comment yesterday, but has delivered booming results for his megastar client.
Martin’s decision to rebuff North Melbourne’s godfather offer by staying at Richmond on a seven-year contract worth about $9 million has already paid for itself, given Saturday’s second Grand Final triumph in three years.
The Martin brand is clearly the strongest at Tigerland with his Grand Final jumper already worth five figures in an online auction.
Only Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin ($7500) and fairytale debutant Marlion Pickett ($5300) get close to the bids on Martin’s ($10,100) guernsey.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-set-for-sixfigure-bonus-outside-richmonds-salary-cap/news-story/7cf356f9282d25d30ab7d7980fc67fc3
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Is this the most confusing article ever written?
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Is this the most confusing article ever written?
Seems the media are trying to have a dig at Dusty and us regarding the salary cap even though this is allowed by the AFL across all clubs.
The Tiger will sign countless memorabilia items destined for fans to secure his pay-packet. And better yet, it's all outside of the Tigers' salary cap.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/dustin-martin-richmond-tigers-autograph-pay-day/7dfd55fb-6103-4911-bd43-2f1cfe98688b
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These endless tears would end the drought if they weren't so salty
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Just spent time reading the first 20 pages of this thread. Everyone bar one or two people wanted dusty. . Some great work in this tnread. :cheers
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Just spent time reading the first 20 pages of this thread. Everyone bar one or two people wanted dusty. . Some great work in this tnread. :cheers
Only read the first couple of pages.
One suggestion was that Butcher was a better option at 3 instead of Dusty. Hindsight and ten years make this a wrong call, if it wasn't exactly that at the time
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I thought I would flip back a bit too Gracie, just to see if I embarrassed myself...then I thought...what a stupid question...
I did find some awesome posts from Bojangles though, I think he is actually an Enid Blighton character from the Famous Five. Rather!
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Dustin Martin
The bad boy of AFL established himself as one of the all-time greats over the weekend by kicking Richmond to Grand Final victory and securing himself a second Norm Smith medal in the process.
Vote For The Sportsperson of the Year 2019: https://www.gq.com.au/men-of-the-year/event-coverage/cast-your-vote-for-the-2019-gq-sportsperson-of-the-year-award/news-story/7a13324bc01b03c5c17085874648ca04
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Tigers lock on Dustin Martin
Jay Clark | Reuters Sun Oct 04
Richmond recruiting chief Francis Jackson said the club was unlikely to use its first-round pick to draft a top key forward, such as John Butcher.
Watched John Butcher get best on in the GF for Maffra a couple of weeks ago.... thank god we went for the midfielder
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Tigers lock on Dustin Martin
Jay Clark | Reuters Sun Oct 04
Richmond recruiting chief Francis Jackson said the club was unlikely to use its first-round pick to draft a top key forward, such as John Butcher.
Watched John Butcher get best on in the GF for Maffra a couple of weeks ago.... thank god we went for the midfielder
Good ol’ “Betamax” Jackson :lol.
He never missed on those high quality highlights video. :rollin
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/dusty-s-car-is-still-in-the-mcg-car-park-20191009-p52z2n.html
:gotigers
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/dusty-s-car-is-still-in-the-mcg-car-park-20191009-p52z2n.html
:gotigers
The legend continues to grow.
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Dusty probably owns the MCG carpark.
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Dusty probably owns the MCG carpark.
He certainly owns the MCG in September!
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working beautifully there Doc.
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Haha I remember having an almighty arguement with TigerMonk over Dusty v Butcher. From memory he wanted Butcher and I said Dusty will win us 2 flags, 2 norms and a Brownlow.. or something along those lines. Love you Dustin
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Monky LMAO
I miss him.
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Haha I remember having an almighty arguement with TigerMonk over Dusty v Butcher. From memory he wanted Butcher and I said Dusty will win us 2 flags, 2 norms and a Brownlow.. or something along those lines. Love you Dustin
Yep was a huge wrap for Butcher
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Dusty opens up on rise to AFL stardom
Fiona Byrne,
Sunday Herald Sun
October 20, 2019
Richmond champion Dustin Martin has opened up his family album sharing never before seen photos of his rise from a footy obsessed country kid to Grand Final glory with the Tigers.
The notoriously private AFL superstar has offered fans a tantalising glimpse into his early life and his passion for football which was ignited when he was barely more than a toddler in the new book Dustin Martin: My Story So Far ….
“I was like any young kid, loved his footy. Mum and Dad introduced me to Auskick when I was five or six and I’ve loved footy ever since,” Martin says in the book.
“There’s nothing better than playing footy in front of the Tiger fans at the ‘G or wherever we’re playing. The best day of the week is game day and that’s what we live for. It’s all worth it when you are running around out there.
“Once you step on the footy field all you think about is footy. It is the best two hours of the week.”
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Dustin Martin (second row, middle) in the Campbell's Creek Under 12s team.
In family snapshots Martin is seen as a youngster proudly holding a footy, sweaty but delighted after showing plenty of flare with the bat as a schoolboy cricketer, posing proudly for a team photo with the Campbells Creek under 12 side, and sporting an early version of the Dusty mullet in a school photo from Castlemaine High.
Other photos from his formative years show the bond he shares with his brothers, Tyson and Bronson, and his parents and his love of competition.
The book, published by Hardie Grant, is designed to be an illustrated companion to Martin’s incredible AFL career. It lavishly chronicles the chapters in his playing career, complete with his thoughts on the highlighted moments, and provides behind-the-scenes photos from some of his more unusual activities like doing a photoshoot in his underwear with a real tiger.
“I don’t really know why everyone is intrigued by me; I just want to play footy, have fun with my friends … I’m incredibly lucky to have such great teammates, we truly have something special at our club,” Martin says.
This is an edited extract from Dustin Martin: My Story So Far … published by Hardie Grant Books & AFL, RRP $39.99.
It is available from Friday, October 25, 2019.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dustin-martin-opens-up-on-rise-to-afl-stardom-in-new-book/news-story/d0043d19f74ad9ede1c8bc2059ed512f
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Dustin Martin parties with Serena Williams in Maldives
Josh Fagan
Herald Sun
November 13, 2019
Richmond star Dustin Martin has teamed up with tennis great Serena Williams and her husband, Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian, on an idyllic holiday in the Maldives.
Videos shared to Williams’ 11.8 million Instagram followers on Tuesday night Melbourne time showed the group hanging out at an exclusive resort in the small island country in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
The footage was taken at beachside restaurant The Ledge, run by renowned Australian-born chef Dave Pynt.
In one clip Martin is seen having a drink while Ohanian plays music behind him, while another shows Martin, Ohanian and a woman who is referred to by Williams as Jess about to board a boat.
The star-studded day out caps off a stellar off-season for Martin who has been celebrating after collecting a second Premiership and second Norm Smith medal this year.
As of Tuesday night Martin had not posted on his own Instagram page of his brush with celebrities in the Maldives.
Martin had earlier toasted this year’s Grand Final win by heading to Las Vegas with friend Dane Swan.
While over in Vegas it turned out his car had been left parked at the MCG since Grand Final day.
MCC spokeswoman Sophie Henderson said last month: “I can confirm Dustin Martin’s car has been in the MCG’s secure underground car park since AFL Grand Final Day.”
“In the busyness between AFL Grand Final Day and going overseas, Dustin didn’t get the hance to pick the car up,” she said.
“The MCG has been happy to accommodate the car’s storage until Dustin returns from overseas.”
Williams, one of the greatest ever tennis players with 23 grand slam titles, has shared a series of happy family snaps on their Maldives getaway.
She posted multiple videos of her reviewing a sandwich before tagging videos of Martin.
In her last video update on Tuesday night she signed off by saying: “Today is our last day in this glorious place, we’ve had so much fun. We are living our best lives eating fried chicken sandwiches”.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/richmond-star-dustin-martin-joins-serena-williams-and-alexis-ohanian-on-maldives-outing/news-story/bc1298b7546ced922cd08c06467784d8
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Mr Cool is in his happy place
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Dusty: "Hey Richo, can we switch seats?" ;D
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Tonight is the 10th anniversary of us recruiting Dusty :clapping :bow
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-11-27/a-decade-of-dusty-domination
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Cotchin confirmed Dustin Martin had picked up his car from the MCG after he famously left it at the car park for weeks after the grand final.
"It's not at the 'G anymore. He did pick it up and he actually went and picked it up himself, so that was a surprise," Cotchin said.
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/6520957/tigers-wont-rest-on-afl-success-cotchin/
;D
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Nick Turner, studio manager at Celebrity Ink, Highpoint, Melbourne, said the Tigers’ Dustin Martin has become a poster boy for tattoos in Australia – just as soccer ace David Beckham had done in the UK.
Martin has a collection of tattoos starting from his neck down to his legs, including an impressive mix of female portraits.
“Yeah, absolutely Dustin Martin,” Mr Turner said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/australians-spending-10000-a-year-to-look-like-their-sports-and-hollywood-heroes/news-story/3dd38c8b46bdc35f4ab4b4262cbba094
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Stats of the decade:
Most 50/50 contests won (minimum 200 contests) – Dustin Martin 48.4%
Dual Norm Smith Medallist Dustin Martin has recorded the highest 50/50 contest win rate – beating his opponents 48.4% of the time.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/stats-leaders-of-the-decade-your-clubs-homeandaway-record/news-story/1b8e3e8f02b89036e430c9f5fd0a52c7
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Looks like Dusty has another brand backing him.
Kennedy - finest timepieces and jewelry.
https://www.instagram.com/kennedyauofficial/
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https://www.instagram.com/dustinlmartin/?utm_source=ig_embed
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2. DUSTIN MARTIN (RICH)
Decade stats: 224 games, 250 goals, 2x premiership, 2x Norm Smith, 1x Brownlow, 3x All-Australian, 2x club B&F
If Franklin has revolutionised the forward position, Martin has done so for the midfield position.
Due to the emergence of the likes of Martin, teams rarely employ small midfielders like generations past, with the prototype being powerful players in the Martin mold.
Unlike some of the others on this list, Martin's entire career has spanned this decade, after he was drafted third overall by the Tigers in the 2009 draft.
While he was an inconsistent performer earlier on in his career, Martin's rise to prominence has coincided with that of his team to becoming a powerhouse.
As evidenced by his pair of Norm Smith Medals, Martin is the AFL's ultimate big-game performer, and has become a renowned finals specialist over the past few seasons.
"He's a big-time big-game player," Lloyd said.
"In 2017, he had what Leigh Matthews described as the greatest season the game has ever seen. But then to be able to back it up in 2019 is incredible. To win two Norm Smith Medals in the last three years is a fantastic achievement.
"We talk about Buddy being unique, but I think it's hard to describe a player like Dustin Martin as well.
"I love that he kicks goals, I don't think enough midfielders in our game kick goals. His ability to go forward and create chaos sets him apart."
Lloyd praised Martin for his ability to rise in big moments and compared his penchant for doing so to his former Essendon captain James Hird.
"His big-game performances remind me of something I loved about James Hird, whether it was Norm Smith Medals or ANZAC Day Medals," he said.
"I think Dustin Martin has a resume that stands above any midfielder in this last decade. Others might have more All-Australian appearances, but to win two Norm Smiths in two Grand Final appearances is phenomenal."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/matthew-lloyd-why-lance-franklin-is-the-player-of-the-decade-dustin-martin-gary-ablett-luke-hodge-nat-fyfe/e437ba66-e22f-4769-8e75-a3a38b6862c3
Adam Cooney's top 5 players of the last decade
1. Ablett
2. Franklin
3. Dustin Martin - “People will accuse me of recency bias but overall his 10 years are nothing to be sneezed at.
Two Norm Smith medals, two flags, a Brownlow, his precise field kicking and he’s kicked 250 goals.”
4. Luke Hodge
5. Scott Pendlebury
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/12/17/adam-cooney-names-his-top-5-players-of-the-decade/
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"Teams rarely employ small midfielders"
Prestia being the exception I suppose
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All the BS about you a recent good form and.most of the rest only had a handful of stellar seasons, the rest are good or great
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From the Maldives to Melbourne: Unlikely friends Dusty and Serena to catch up during Aus Open
January 11, 2020
AAP/FOX SPORTS
One has 23 major titles, a baby and boasts her own line of “strong, sexy and sophisticated” clothing.
The other has two AFL flags, neck tattoos and counts Sam Newman as a friend.
But Serena Williams and Dustin Martin will renew their unlikely friendship this month in Melbourne alongside this month’s Australian Open having forged a bond while holidaying in the Maldives last year.
Williams revealed the meeting of tennis and Australian Rules’ finest on her Instagram account in November.
Martin was pictured sipping drinks while Williams’ partner Alexis Ohanian played music at an exclusive poolside resort in Williams’ Instagram story.
Until now, disbelieving Australians among Williams’ near 12 million Instagram followers were left none the wiser as to their friendship.
On Friday, after dispatching Germany’s Laura Siegemund to reach the semi-finals of Auckland’s ASB Classic, Williams revealed the friendship blossomed after an introduction.
“He’s friends with one of my best friends and they were there and he was there,” Williams explained.
“He’s super athletic. We did some watersport and he killed me in it.
“I was like ‘ahh – I’m not even gonna try. This is my off season!’
“He’s a great guy. I loved hanging out with him.”
Williams has maintained contact, saying, “We definitely plan on catching up”.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-superstar-dustin-martin-and-23time-grand-slam-champion-serena-williams-to-renew-friendship-in-melbourne/news-story/6a066f27d1693d593133cd50c3a17004
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Serena reveals why a reunion with Dusty in Melbourne is unlikely
By Sarah Black
afl.com.au
20 January 2020
IT WAS the most unlikely of holiday friendships.
Tennis legend Serena Williams posted an Instagram story of her holiday in the Maldives last year, initially focusing on husband Alexis Ohanian's attempts to DJ, before her phone captured someone very familiar to the football world.
It was none other than Richmond superstar Dustin Martin, fresh from his second Norm Smith and premiership medals, who was casually sipping a drink and hanging out with tennis royalty.
Fresh from a comfortable first-round win over Anastasia Potapova at the Australian Open on Monday, Williams was reminded of just what town she was in when asked about her holiday with "Dusty".
While Tigers skipper Trent Cotchin is a regular in world No.1 and mad Tiger fan Ash Barty's player box, fans keen to catch a glimpse of the bullocking midfielder in Williams' entourage will be disappointed.
"It was just by chance. We met in Maldives. He just happened to be there. We just hung out. We had a blast," Williams said at her press conference.
"We decided he couldn't come to the Australian Open because he would be mobbed way too much. So it was, like, if we could hang out, it would be cool. But definitely not in Melbourne Park or here. It would be way too crazy for him."
And even the queen of tennis knows just how much of a big deal the Tiger is in Melbourne.
"Yeah, for sure (Williams recognises his profile). That's why we were, like, not here. He can't do everyday things like that. He's way too recognisable. I think everyone would go nuts if they saw him," she said.
"It would be really crazy for him. Yeah, it's cool. He's so good at his job, it's insane.
"It's so cool to get to know other athletes that are so good at their craft and almost just get to talk to them and see what makes them so good."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/366899/serena-reveals-why-a-reunion-with-dusty-in-melbourne-is-unlikely
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"Yeah, for sure (Williams recognises his profile). That's why we were, like, not here. He can't do everyday things like that. He's way too recognisable. I think everyone would go nuts if they saw him," she said.
Was thinking about this and how you would describe Dusty to an American.
Best comparison would be with the NFL.
2 X Superbowl
2 X MVP in those superbowls
1 X player of the year. Not really an NFL equivalent as they give it to the flashiest player ie QB and running backs. Heisman trophy for College player of the year would be closest.
Closest player this year would be Patrick Mahomes (the Kansas City QB) as the press Player of the Year but again Dusty has the flash of a QB and the power of a Running Back like Derrick Henry (Tennesee Titans back).
The record for MVP awards for superbowls (Norm Smith) goes to Tom Brady with 4 from 6 wins on 9 attempts. Joe Montana has 3 from 4 wins on 4 attempts. Personally I've always loved Joe ("Joe Cool") Montana and can't really relate to Brady.
The term "beast mode" has been used by some to describe Dusty, in homage to the power running back Marshawn Lynch, but he didn't win the award for best player in his best years.
Guess you could say he has the power of a Derrick Henry with the skills of a Patrick Mahomes.
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Richmond's 3rd best forward: Dustin Martin
What a luxury it is for Martin to strut forward whenever he seemingly pleases. He is arguably the best one-on-one player inside 50 in the competition. When your best midfielder kicks 12 goals in a finals series, you know you have a serious attacking weapon on your hands. 'Dusty' now has three 30-plus season goal returns on the trot.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/01/24/who-are-you-clubs-six-most-dangerous-forwards/
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Sam Lloyd retains strong friendships with his Punt Road teammates, tagging along with Dustin Martin in 2016 and 2017 to footy’s night of nights.
“The first Brownlow was good, we didn’t have a Grand Final to play,” he quips of what was surely an epic celebration.
“The second one dragged on but it was good to see him win, that was something I will never forget. Mate, you have seen what he can do as a player but what a lot of people don’t see is the kind of person he is from the outside.
“They can throw judgments at him from a distance, but he is one of the kindest, most caring guys you will ever meet and all in that he’s a pretty good footballer and they are pretty lucky to have him down there.”
Martin’s contempt for the media is well-known, but doesn’t it mean the fans don’t get to see his true character?
“Yeah, I can see that. It’s his persona as well that people love,” Lloyd says.
“I would say it might be disappointing for everyone because he’s completely different to what is portrayed at times but he doesn’t mind. He has done a lot of work on who is around him and the people that surround him and that’s all he would care about.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/western-bulldogs/sam-lloyd-on-his-mate-dusty-the-afls-mental-health-battle-and-how-he-turned-things-around-at-the-western-bulldogs/news-story/325cd0e74c114cc51250615e06e012ca
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‘Dusty is in town, boys. We need to train’: Life as a Bali footballer — where ‘every day is awesome’
March 3, 2020
Tom Morris
FOX SPORTS
But just before Christmas in 2018, head coach and 1993 premiership Bomber Ricky Olarenshaw received a text from Richmond superstar Dustin Martin, who was about to fly in from Melbourne.
Dusty was keen to strap on the boots for a session with the Geckos, a self-sufficient football club for men and women of all abilities, ages and backgrounds.
Olarenshaw, who relocated to Bali in 2013 and has since married a local and opened three F45 studios, sent out a group message he knew would receive traction: ‘Dusty is in town, boys. We need to train.’
Carlton veteran Kade Simpson and Melbourne gun Christian Petracca also joined, leading to an influx of locals and expats converging on Finns Rec Club.
“The boys came from everywhere to kick with Dusty,” Olarenshaw tells foxfooty.com.au with obvious pride.
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-play-footy-in-bali-indonesia-ricky-olarenshaw-dustin-martin/news-story/7338d0e82353149fc79e373831c49280
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Dusty could kick 80 goals in a season: Nick Riewoldt
Jake Niall
The Age
3 March 2020
If Dustin Martin was a contentious choice as best afield in the exhumed state of origin exhibition on Friday, there was no question that he was more dangerous than any key forward, his Tiger teammates Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt included.
Martin's ability to win one-on-one contests close to goal and either score or generously give-off to a teammate has become more pronounced since 2017, as the Tigers have increased his time as a deep forward and cut down his on-ball minutes.
Since the Tigers have two bona fide key forwards in Lynch and Riewoldt, Martin has not been a necessity in attack, albeit he did boot six goals from nine disposals in the qualifying final against the Lions, when Damien Hardwick improvised and kept Dusty deep, in the knowledge that Brisbane didn't have an opponent capable of curbing him.
Richmond star Dustin Martin kicked six goals as Richmond smashed Brisbane in their AFL qualifying final.
But what could or would Dusty do if he was stationed as a forward, permanently, and did not spend half or more of his time in the midfield?
Nick Riewoldt, the ex-Saints champion turned commentator with Fox Footy, reckoned that Martin would be a rare forward capable of kicking 80 goals in a season, if kept exclusively forward.
Riewoldt said he did not think the AFL would see another forward break the 100-goal barrier, a safe call today given that the Coleman medallist struggles to get far past 60 goals.
It appears that 80 goals is the new 100. Riewoldt felt we would see another player surpass 80, and nominated Martin as one player with that capacity.
"It's just going to take somebody to be probably really courageous from a coaching point of view and just allow someone to [stay deep]. I mean, I think if Dusty just sat deep – when he goes deep – if he sat deep all the time, I think he could kick 80 in a year."
Riewoldt said the Tigers would have to "just hold their nerve" and keep Martin forward, and of course, they would depriving themselves of their premier on-baller. "You're robbing Peter to pay Paul. But I think if he did he'd be capable."
The presence of Lynch and Riewoldt means there's little chance that we'll find out just how many Martin could kick. He booted 37 in his stellar triple crown season of 2017 (Brownlow, Norm Smith Medal and flag), when his ratio of time spent midfield to forward was about 70-30.
Martin remained around that 70-30 ratio in 2018, but Hardwick deployed him forward more often last year, when he was closer to 55 per cent midfield, 45 forward. He booted 32 goals in 2019, but that relatively modest tally doesn't take account of Dusty's willingness to donate goals.
Martin ranked in the top five players for winning one-on-one contests in the AFL last year. As with Patrick Dangerfield – a superior overhead mark compared to Martin, but much less proficient at snaps – the query on stationing him as permanent forward is not simply the loss of midfield drive, but the reality that once a player is kept forward, he invariably draws better defenders than if he drags an ill-suited midfielder or flanker to the goal square.
On Friday, for instance, Jeremy Howe, who has played on the "resting" Martin on occasions in Richmond-Collingwood games, fared better than the smaller Brad Shepherd.
More broadly, it is revealing that Riewoldt nominated Martin – not Jeremy Cameron, Lynch or anyone over 193 centimetres – as the forward with the capability of breaking the 80-goal barrier.
Riewoldt believes there is still a place for the star key forward, but that the game has never been as difficult for those who ply his former craft. He thought Cameron had the potential to be the best forward in the game, even though he did not play as a "traditional" key forward.
"You could argue they're almost more important because the ability to win one-on-one contests, when you get them, there's such a premium on it now, but it's just the way the game's played now. It's never been more difficult to be a key forward."
Riewoldt's fellow former key forward and Fox colleague, Jonathan Brown, said, funnily enough, the trend was towards teams playing more key forwards. But due to the numbers deployed in defence, the role of those key forwards had changed.
Today's key forward, Brown said, was expected "as much to make a contest down the line, get the the ball to ground, avoid having intercept marks taken against you.
"So the key forward is very prominent in our game, but not from the score because there's so many numbers back there now, defensively.
"The game certainly doesn't flow like state of origin on Friday night.''
The game hasn't flowed like Friday night's exhibition much, because teams actually tackle in the real season. The key forward isn't extinct, and Dusty isn't about to become one.
Perhaps, we'll only see Martin re-invented as a primary forward late in his career, Leigh Matthews-style, if and when Nick Riewoldt's cousin Jack has finished.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-could-kick-80-goals-riewoldt-20200303-p546fs.html
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Dusty’s decade: Comparing Martin to midfield greats
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
4 March 2020
The retired champion whose style of play most closely resembles Dustin Martin admits to having a man crush on the Brownlow medallist.
Eight-time All Australian Mark Ricciuto has been caught up in Martin mania at a time that the Tiger superstar has eclipsed Lance Franklin as the game’s most popular player.
“My kid barracks for Richmond because of Dusty and my cat is named Dusty after Dusty,” Ricciuto told the Herald Sun.
“I like him and my kids like him and he’s my favourite player to watch in the AFL.
“His kicking is brilliant, he is dangerous in the centre square, he is dangerous setting up forwards and he is dangerous when he’s forward, which is why he is the best player in the comp.
“I am a very poor man’s Dusty. With less tattoos, less hair, less premierships, less Brownlows.”
If Patrick Dangerfield dragged the AFL’s stars into the Bushfire relief game, Martin showed his class by winning the best-afield medal.
The fact he took home that award for a handful of exquisite moments only adds to his mystique.
This has truly been Dusty’s Decade, a 10-year period during which he has played 224 of a possible 231 games for Richmond.
He has never finished out of the club’s top-10 in the best-and-fairest with seven podium finishes.
He has won two flags, two Norm Smith Medals, a Brownlow and three All-Australian guernseys.
At just 28, he should roar past 300 games and set himself for a mammoth games tally by the time he retires.
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How Dusty stacks up to Judd and Ablett.
It is hard to think of a more dominant player in their first decade, but Chris Judd was six times All Australian in the same time frame while Gary Ablett Jr had one of his two Brownlows, two flags and five All-Australian nods.
We are truly in the era of Peak Dusty.
The Herald Sun canvassed greats of the game at Monday’s Fox Footy season launch to ask how Martin compared to footy’s best midfielders.
Alastair Lynch compared Martin to triple-premiership captain Michael Voss, who he played alongside for 11 seasons.
“Vossy was in the middle more but those strong bodies that can just win a one-on-one or take a mark and just change the game, they are very similar the way they want about it,” Lynch said.
“They are so hard to tackle. Vossy’s great ability was not the fend, but he would get his hands free to get the handball away. Both are incredibly powerful.
“I love his ability in one on ones to make the most of his touches.
“In the Grand Final he was that far the difference in the Norm Smith Medal, it was ridiculous.”
Dermott Brereton, who played with Leigh Matthews laughed when he said Martin kicks better than Matthews — who won eight best-and-fairests, kicked 915 goals and amassed 7374 possessions.
“Having said that Leigh found a way to get it through the goals,” Brereton said.
“I would love to say there are real similarities. But Leigh ended up as a small forward who could mark over his head.
“Dusty ends up as a mid-sized forward who can outmark one-on-one but not overhead.”
Brereton said he had never seen anyone in the past decade who was a better decision maker or calmer with the footy than Martin.
“But in an era where if you get 20 possessions you were in the top three players, the amount of times Leigh got 30 plus was phenomenal and you add 900-plus goals.
“So we are talking Lance Franklin’s goalkicking prowess with about 5000 more possessions.”
Jordan Lewis, who shared the field with dual Norm Smith Medallist Luke Hodge, said both players gave their teammates “supreme confidence” that they would perform.
“Martin does the stuff that you can never really picture yourself doing but Hodgey did the reliable things so well,” Lewis said.
“Dusty is more eye-catching but the typical stuff was the hard and tough stuff and his ability to be in the contest and make good decisions set him part from anyone else.”
Dusty's 10 best and fairest finishes
2019 - Sixth
2018 - Third
2017 - Won
2016 - Won
2015 - Second
2014 - Third
2013 - Second
2012 - Tenth
2011 - Third
2010 - Fourth
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/dustys-decade-how-peak-dustin-martin-compares-to-the-games-midfield-greats/news-story/e28ead39f234af3060416ad572b0119f
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The full interview with Dustin Martin filmed for Australian Story about Marlion Pickett is on Youtube now courtesy of ABC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQu8W7s3e1w&list=PLDTPrMoGHssDzqF7spxT_VH3Zd266tSEp&index=2
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DUSTY DIFFERENCE MAKER
Marsh Series - Giants v Tigers - The Mongrel Punt
HB Meyers
March 8, 2020
Do you think Martin took the foot off the pedal in the second half? Maybe just a little?
At half time, the reigning Norm Smith Medallist had 16 touches and two goals. He added just eight touches in the second half, and a couple of times he looked as though the chasing aspect of the game was something he wasn’t interested in.
Such is the way of Dustin Martin.
He still applied great pressure when the ball was in his vicinity – his smother and resultant goal in the first quarter were vintage Dusty, but this was still a practice game, and you don’t go 100% in practice games.
Still, Martin was the only player on the park that was able to contribute double figures in score involvements. In short, when the ball is in his hands, good poo happens.
As if you needed to be told that, right? Thanks Captain Obvious…
https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2020/2020/03/08/marsh-series-giants-v-tigers/
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Booze-free Dusty primed for career-best year
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
March 11, 2020
Dustin Martin has sworn off the booze this summer as he prepares to add to his remarkable collection of football accolades.
Martin is in career-best shape and determined not to be complacent despite his second Norm Smith Medal in a 2019 season where he somehow missed an All Australian jumper.
His captain Trent Cotchin confirmed a historic moment on the weekend after 223 AFL matches – his first smother against GWS in the contest at Wagga Wagga.
Cotchin told the Herald Sun it underlines how Martin is determined to work on the small things that will add to his remarkable style of play.
“He actually said to me running back after he kicked a goal, I think that’s the first smother ever,” he said.
“I don’t know, I think that’s a little unfair. There have been times in his game when he has done the one percenters well because he can do everything else so well.”
Cotchin said it wasn’t the first time Martin had gone alcohol-free in his desire to ensure he was in perfect condition for the upcoming season.
“I think like anyone making a choice it proves a clearness and calmness. I am not sure who has shared the information but he does it a lot of the time,” he said.
“I think that’s what makes the competition's best so good and you look at the likes of Scotty Pendlebury who has been at the top of his game for so many years, it’s the inner competitive beast that makes them great.
“Each one of those players could probably rest on their laurels but you want to be the best version of yourself possible.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/dustin-martin-puts-himself-on-booze-ban-in-effort-to-take-his-game-to-an-even-higher-level/news-story/37da56887b3143b57569a1c5d8574bbf
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Don’t let the tatts fool you, Dusty is all class
Fiona Byrne
Sunday Herald Sun
March 15, 2020
Time is of the essence for Richmond champion Dustin Martin.
Martin is showing a liking for the finer things in life and sees fit to reward himself with, say, an expensive watch or special experience after a career high point.
The superstar footballer has collaborated with Melbourne-based luxury watch retailer Kennedy in a display of precision and excellence.
The two-time premiership player and 2017 Brownlow medallist will showcase Kennedy watches in a series of images and videos highlighting different styles of timepieces for different social occasions, from exercising to relaxing or attending black-tie events.
“I really like the style of the watches. I think they go with my own style,’’ Martin said.
“I treated myself to a luxury watch after the 2017 season. I think it’s important to reward yourself and celebrate after a lot of hard work.
“I work with Kennedy because they are constantly striving to achieve the best. I relate to that.’’
Martin is becoming something of a fashionista these days and is showing plenty of flair in front of a camera. He must have a growing collection of fine watches, and has previously spoken of his love of Melbourne’s up-market dining scene — Rockpool, Vue de Monde and France-Soir are among his favourite dining choices.
Martin and his Tiger teammates will launch into the 2020 AFL season on Thursday night as the reigning premiers against Carlton.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dustin-martin-shows-classy-side-in-modelling-campaign-for-kennedy-watches/news-story/06e01cf216e1a4d29f638790e956a290
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Ross Lyon named who he believes is the best player in the AFL.
On Triple M Footy debut, Lyon said the Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is still the very best, overlooking Nat Fyfe who he worked very closely with.
Lyon explained that his impact on matches is what makes him better than the rest.
Listen here: https://www.triplem.com.au/story/ross-lyon-names-the-best-player-in-the-league-158483
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10 years ago today, a young @DustinMartin4 made his AFL debut. The rest is history :gotigers.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1242616642502193152
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I like that article. One powerhouse midfielder who is an afl great started out as a punishing mid and ended up as an unstoppable fwd his name was leigh mathews.
There is little doubt imo Dusty could be better than Mathews as a fwd.
Atm id describe Dusty as the only proven power mid we have as such he is still needed to spend significant time there.
One thing i dont think we do well is target young kiwi's in particular maoris to play our game.
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I like that article. One powerhouse midfielder who is an afl great started out as a punishing mid and ended up as an unstoppable fwd his name was leigh mathews.
There is little doubt imo Dusty could be better than Mathews as a fwd.
Atm id describe Dusty as the only proven power mid we have as such he is still needed to spend significant time there.
One thing i dont think we do well is target young kiwi's in particular maoris to play our game.
When you look at a player like Dusty, you think gee maybe we should try to get more blokes with his genetic make up. But I wonder if that Maoris aren't really built for AFL. They are huge, strong, often fast etc but largely seem better suited to rugby - less endurance. Dusty being half/half seems to have the benefits of both worlds.
I've often wondered what it would be like getting African Americans into the sport. You look at a guy like Lebron James and wonder how the F someone that big can move the way he does. I guess the reality is that a sport like AFL is almost impossible to master unless someone has started as a child. All the guys that try to learn it in their adult life only make passable players at best.
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Ben Simmons would be the only big name NBA star who'd excel at footy because he grew up playing it, knows how it works and was already fairly good at it....the rest would all be useless... :shh
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Ben Simmons would be the only big name NBA star who'd excel at footy because he grew up playing it, knows how it works and was already fairly good at it....the rest would all be useless... :shh
Yeah if he's prepared to take a 95% paycut or whatever haha
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Matthew Lloyd believes shortened quarters will benefit an impact player like Dusty as he won't need to be rested on the bench as much.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/videos/afl/the-winners-and-losers-of-shortened-games/ck8hdg46300070go8od5gwxk8
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It's not like dusty is unfit or anything Geez
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THE MODERN DAY LEIGH MATTHEWS?
RSN927
10 April 2020
Leigh Matthews says there is one player that reminds him of the way he played.
“The way Dustin Martin plays, hard to tackle, can find a bit of space, if there’s a modern equivalent that’s a similarity.”
“All of us who played in the 70s and 80s wish they’d burn all the old vision because compared to the modern, trained up football athletes we look like second raters!”
Matthews says he played a similar position to Martin from half back through the forwardline.
“I was a player who didn’t go into the back 50 very often because I couldn’t kick goals from the back 50!”
https://www.rsn.net.au/the-modern-day-leigh-matthews/
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Dusty was shown by Ch 7 news training at Punt Rd yesterday (aided by assistant coach McQualter). He looked ready to go too.
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Ch 7 news in their sports report will have an inside look at Dusty at home training.
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Tigers star Dustin Martin has given us an inside look at his training regime. #7AFL #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1252884520354738176
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Gives me a tingle downstairs.
Go on admit you're all the same...
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Hasn’t had a drink since Australia Day :shh
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Another list ;D.
Dusty rated the 7th best midfielder of the 21st century (so far):
1. Gary Ablett jnr.
2. Chris Judd
3. Michael Voss
4. Adam Goodes
5. Nathan Buckley
6. Simon Black
7. Dustin Martin
No player has a thirst greater for big games than ‘Dusty’.
Martin has always been a great accumulator of the ball and a damaging midfielder since his debut in 2010, playing in over 20 games each season while averaging over 20 disposals every year.
Added to his ability to win the ball, Martin is one of the league’s best goal kickers and match winners, looking to go that one step further when the game is on the line.
Two Norm Smith medals a two Gary Ayes Awards from 2017 and 2019 established Martin to be one of the best come September, breaking down and stiff-arming opponents on the big stage singlehandedly.
His 2017 season is unparalleled, polling a record 36 Brownlow votes for the year to go along with just about every honour a midfielder could ask for.
Martin’s 225-game, 251-goal career is far from over, meaning his chance to further move up our list is a near-certainty.
8. Nathan Fyfe
9. Patrick Dangerfield
10. Scott Pendlebury
11. Dane Swan
12. Sam Mitchell
13. Mark Riccuito
14. Joel Selwood
15. Jason Akermanis
https://www.zerohanger.com/the-15-best-afl-midfielders-the-century-40262/
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Dustin Martin and Paddy Ryder discuss what their Yokayi moments have been in their careers.
Watch Yokayi Footy now: https://www.afl.com.au/video/432573/yokayi-footy-e8-what-s-giving-gilly-goosebumps-dusty-s-yokayi-moment-reveal?videoId=432573&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1588759200001 (https://www.afl.com.au/video/432573/yokayi-footy-e8-what-s-giving-gilly-goosebumps-dusty-s-yokayi-moment-reveal?videoId=432573&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1588759200001)
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Another list ;D.
Dusty rated the 7th best midfielder of the 21st century (so far):
1. Gary Ablett jnr.
2. Chris Judd
3. Michael Voss
4. Adam Goodes
5. Nathan Buckley
6. Simon Black
7. Dustin Martin
No player has a thirst greater for big games than ‘Dusty’.
Martin has always been a great accumulator of the ball and a damaging midfielder since his debut in 2010, playing in over 20 games each season while averaging over 20 disposals every year.
Added to his ability to win the ball, Martin is one of the league’s best goal kickers and match winners, looking to go that one step further when the game is on the line.
Two Norm Smith medals a two Gary Ayes Awards from 2017 and 2019 established Martin to be one of the best come September, breaking down and stiff-arming opponents on the big stage singlehandedly.
His 2017 season is unparalleled, polling a record 36 Brownlow votes for the year to go along with just about every honour a midfielder could ask for.
Martin’s 225-game, 251-goal career is far from over, meaning his chance to further move up our list is a near-certainty.
8. Nathan Fyfe
9. Patrick Dangerfield
10. Scott Pendlebury
11. Dane Swan
12. Sam Mitchell
13. Mark Riccuito
14. Joel Selwood
15. Jason Akermanis
https://www.zerohanger.com/the-15-best-afl-midfielders-the-century-40262/
Buckley rated too high!!! For me Swan is the best pie in the modern era
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FIGJAM
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🔜🤞
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1260025775635353601
And a flashback ...
Dusty kicks his first ever goal in 2010 with characteristic class 👌
Watch: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1260038913516638209
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Dusty portraits for #TigerArtFriday
@artistkelliesmith - Instagram
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1263742873343672320
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Dustin Martin is at peace — so much so he has been able to swap out his renowned mindfulness and meditation sessions for a simple walk around the block.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/how-dustin-martin-tuned-in-and-switched-off-during-lockdown/news-story/c567fdc957bcf084a2c8101e9dfd95f3
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AFL superstar Dustin Martin on keeping fit in coronavirus lockdown
Brett Lackey
Daily Mail
23 May 2020
Dustin Martin has opened up about the challenges of staying fit during lockdown.
The 28-year-old Richmond Tigers superstar said he has been focusing on fine-tuning his mind and body during isolation.
And while he insists routine is important - having setup a home gym to keep in shape while away from training on the field - he said he has only picked up one new hobby.
'If sleeping on the couch in the afternoon is a hobby, that is what I did,' he told the Sunday Herald Sun.
Dustin Martin has described how he has been keeping fit during coronavirus lockdown and has revealed the very ordinary hobby he has started
In the two months the AFL has been on hold, Martin said he has actually quite enjoyed the time off to re-focus.
'I know it has not been easy for a lot of people in the community, but I kind of enjoyed the time to just stop everything and take it easy,' he said.
He has previously mentioned he is a fan of mindfulness and meditation but has been able to substitute some other habits in their place while there hasn't been the pressure of playing top level fixtures week to week.
In addition to his afternoon naps, Martin has taken up going for daily walks to clear his mind - making sure to leave his phone behind and has been reading self help books.
However, it hasn't been entirely been a holiday for the former Brownlow Medal winner.
'I made sure I had a routine where I got up early and did all my training in the morning, that sets your day up... I find if you are on your own and doing your own thing you tend to push yourself a bit harder.'
Martin (pictured with a friend) said he has enjoyed the refocusing during lockdowns but is eager to get back on the field
While he admits he has not been taking the on-field hits every week, he insists his body is ready for when the competition ramps up and is raring to get back out there.
Richmond are set to take on Collingwood on June 11 in the resumed 2020 AFL season.
'It is going to be different playing in front of no crowds, but we are all competitive beasts so we want to win and want to continue to be the best we can be. I am sure every other side is the same and who knows hopefully in a few months we might have some crowds.'
Also a budding businessman, Martin has signed a new contract with Bonds and will on Monday launch his X-Temp X-Factor underwear campaign.
Bonds had temporarily closed its stores during the coronavirus lockdowns but the marketing promotion coincides with the re-opening of their stores nationally on Monday.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8350349/AFL-superstar-Dustin-Martin-opens-keeping-body-shape-coronavirus-lockdown.html
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Dusty eyes off back-to-back flags
Oliver Caffrey
The West Australian
Sunday, 24 May 2020 11:00AM
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is adamant a third AFL premiership would mean just as much as the first two - even if it comes during the coronavirus-affected 2020 season.
The Tigers’ flag defence was put on hold in March after just one round because of the COVID-19 lockdown.
Richmond have not won back-to-back premierships since 1974 and are aiming to hold the trophy aloft for the third time in four seasons to cement their spot as one of the great modern-day sides.
Even with the fixture-list slashed to 17 rounds, quarters shortened and fans indefinitely barred from attending games, Martin believes winning a grand final would still be a significant achievement.
“It’s certainly going to be different but it will certainly mean just as much,“ the two-time Norm Smith medallist told AAP.
“And who knows, we might be playing in front of people in a few months.
“We’re all competitive beasts. Every time we go out onto the oval we all want to win, whether there’s a crowd or not.
“That goes right across the league.”
While relishing a return to Punt Road for training on Monday, the 28-year-old made the most of his more than six weeks away from football.
“I really enjoyed the downtime, to be honest. Life gets pretty busy a lot of the time, so it was good to just slow down and simplify life a little bit,” Martin said.
“I made sure I got up really early every morning, banged out all my training. That usually takes up most of the morning.”
Boasting an experienced group, many of whom have featured in six of the last seven finals series, Richmond’s players knew the high standards expected of them from coach Damien Hardwick while in lockdown.
“Our older guys are good at checking in on the younger guys,” Martin said.
“It wasn’t over the top, just every now and then to ensure everyone’s fine.
“(Hardwick) has great trust in the group, which we’ve built over the years, so all the boys attacked their training really well.”
Martin, the 2017 Brownlow medallist, spoke to AAP as part of BONDS’ new campaign to celebrate football returning. BONDS stores will re-open on May 25.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-superstar-dustin-martin-eyes-off-back-to-back-flags-for-clubs-first-time-since-1974-ng-b881556529z
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Dustin Martin reveals Tigers Zoom conference ‘tight a***’ in AFL season lockdown
News.com.au
26 May 2020
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is one of the lucky ones — life in isolation agrees with him.
The Tigers premiership hero has thrived in recent weeks, getting his body and mind prepared for the highly anticipated return of the 2020 AFL season on June 11.
Martin says he’s adapted to training in isolation at home and has even made changes to his regular mental health meditation and journaling routine.
The health of his mind and body have been boosted by regular weekly Zoom video conferences with former teammates ever since the AFL season was suspended in March.
Martin has told news.com.au in his role as an ambassador for the launch of the new Bonds’ X-Temp range, he has been happy to spend more time on his own in recent months — but has also enjoyed catch-ups with former teammates, including Nathan Foley, Chris Newman, Brett Deledio, Shaun Grigg, Troy Chaplin and Alex Rance.
The weekly chats were far from a well-oiled machine, Martin says, with Foley’s habit of penny-pinching regularly derailing the friendly catch-ups.
“Once a week I jumped on a Zoom call with some old teammates — we’re all still really close,” Martin said.
“Nathan Foley was the host and he was too much of a tight a*** to get the upgrade, so every 20 minutes we got cut off and had to re-join the chat.
“It wasn’t awkward at all, it was actually very funny.”
Despite the group clearly enjoying the ease of catching up from the comfort of their own loungerooms, Martin admits he is looking forward catching up with the former teammates in person once coronavirus restrictions are eased in June.
He says the team won’t keep up the weekly sessions once football returns and will instead make an effort to catch up in person when the AFL allows players to see friends again.
The video calls have given Martin some comic relieve, but he has otherwise flourished during self isolation.
“I have my own gym set up at home. You are allowed to train with one other person so I’ve been doing that, as well at the local footy oval,” he says of his isolation training program.
“I’ve been making the most of the time off to slow down a bit. Taking walks without the phone, training and keeping fit.”
When asked what he will miss most about his old daily life while living under the AFL’s strict biosecurity protocols, Martin said: “I spend a lot of time on my own anyway so it doesn’t affect me too much.
“Probably just being with friends and hanging out.”
Martin on Monday helped launch the new range of Bonds X-Temp X-Factor underwear which coincided with the re-opening of Bonds stores across the country.
The campaign features incredible shots of Martin sprinting on the running track at Sydney Olympic Park while dragging behind a mini-parachute.
“It’s a great time to be launching a Bonds campaign as we start to come out of isolation,
Martin said.
“Bonds are opening stores around Australia from Monday and we’re back at training so it’s a really positive time after being in lockdown.
“I’ve developed a strong relationship with Bonds, the X Temp shoot was perfect for me, we always collaborate on the campaign approach and I enjoy that part of the process.
“Shooting Bonds X-Temp campaign was different than a studio shoot, I enjoyed working on the track with the sprint parachute, it was a serious work out, I’m happy with how it turned out. “
Martin returned to official team training with Richmond on Monday.
Boasting an experienced group, many of whom have featured in six of the last seven finals series, Richmond’s players knew the high standards expected of them from coach Damien Hardwick while in lockdown.
“Our older guys are good at checking in on the younger guys,” Martin said.
“It wasn’t over the top, just every now and then to ensure everyone’s fine.
“(Hardwick) has great trust in the group, which we’ve built over the years, so all the boys attacked their training really well.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-reveals-tigers-zoom-conference-tight-a-in-afl-season-lockdown/news-story/acb84cf94f7303c4080284ceb37abb46
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AFL star Dustin Martin nails an INCREDIBLE trick shot in his undies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8397249/AFL-superstar-Dustin-Martin-nails-INCREDIBLE-trick-shot-undies.html
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How AFL superstar Dustin Martin destroys the competition
ABC
11 June 2020
Australian football is a sport based on territory and possession.
Without the ball in your possession, you'll find it hard to score. Without the ball at your end of the ground, you can't score.
Given these core tenets, the ideal player is someone who can find the ball and gain territory.
At the moment, the embodiment of that ideal is Richmond's Dustin Martin.
He wins in the centre, gains ground
The centre clearance is the archetypal "get the ball" situation.
At the start or restart of play, each side theoretically has an equal chance to win possession in a game of four against four.
Martin is as damaging as anyone in this situation.
Since 2017, he has won the second-most centre clearances per game, behind Carlton's Patrick Cripps.
Not only does Martin win an enormous number of centre clearances, he also gains lots of ground.
No player with more than two centre clearances per game has more metres gained per game.
He's also involved in more scores than anyone else in this cohort.
He's notably absent elsewhere
There's another notable thing about Martin's game compared to fellow centre clearance monsters: his absence at general stoppages.
Generally, players who regularly win the ball at centre clearances also dominate throw-ins and ball-ups around the ground.
But Martin is often absent from there, with the occasional exception of those in the front half of the ground.
He also trails the league's dominant midfielders when it comes to applying defensive pressure.
Instead, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick prefers to give Martin licence to roam the ground at will.
Post-bounce, Martin often acts as a link man en route to the goal square.
This also allows his teammates Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt the freedom to lead higher up towards the 50-metre arc, stretching the taller defenders marking them.
He dominates in one-on-one
Once stationed near goal, Martin seeks to exploit his physical dominance in one-on-one contests.
It presents opposition coaches with a difficult problem: should they leave a midfielder on him, or switch to a true defender.
Over the last three years, only West Coast's Nic Naitanui has won a larger proportion of attacking one-on-one battles than Martin.
It is key to his dual role and testament to his raw strength and ability to read the flight of the ball.
In the 2019 grand final, Matt De Boer or Tim Taranto tracked Martin in the centre before handing over to Sam Taylor or Heath Shaw in defence. The results? Not great.
Martin is a nightmare match-up, even for experienced defenders.
Do you go for a taller type like Taylor who can be exposed at ground level? Or a smaller option like Shaw who can be outworked in the air and still beaten on the ground?
Some teams split the difference by using a third or medium tall, like Plowman above.
Given Richmond's effective small forward brigade and the presence of two All-Australian-level key forwards in Lynch and Riewoldt, it seems the least bad option.
After switching, defenders like Shaw will sometimes be stuck against Martin at stoppages, with an immediate transfer back to a midfielder unavailable.
That usually doesn't go well either.
Former coaches such as Paul Roos and Denis Pagan have been adamant that the best tactic to beat Martin is using a traditional hard midfield tag.
This has sometimes worked, but has just as often allowed Martin to dominate up forward and wear down opponents.
Some sides have even treated Martin like any other player, only directly negating him inside defensive 50. The theory is he will do midfield damage regardless, so why not make him defend by counter-attacking against him?
In short: you may not be able to beat Martin, but you can beat his 17 teammates.
But … nobody's perfect
It should be noted that Martin is not infallible.
He has occasional off games or even poor months.
At times he tries to do too much with the ball and turns it over. He ranks only behind Tom Mitchell for turnovers per game since 2017.
All turnovers are bad, but some of Martin's are less bad due to the position of the ball and the territory gained beforehand.
Some may also point to Martin's raw kick and handball counts dropping since 2016 as a sign of decline. However, his impactful disposals (such as clearances, scores and goal assists) have risen during this time.
Up forward, Martin doesn't take as many marks on the lead and isn't as good above his head as some other forward-midfield hybrids.
Over the coming years, players will emerge to eclipse Martin, and further transform the way the game is played. But right now, he's about as good as an AFL footballer gets.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-11/how-richmond-tigers-afl-player-dustin-martin-destroys-compeition/12335750
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Kicking was off last night.
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2. Post-isolation rust is a thing
You could count the number of bad games Dustin Martin [has] had on one hand.
Martin’s night was not horrendous but was not the elite ball-using bull we’ve all come to know and love. Martin finished with 20 disposals at 45 per cent disposal efficiency, far from his usual standards.
As the round progresses, we’ll see a few more uncharacteristic performances from some of the game’s best as they readjust to footy after a shortened training program in the lead-up to the recommencement of the season.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2020/06/12/five-things-we-learnt-from-richmond-versus-collingwood/
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Looked injured to me
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Nah he was fine. Just rusty and unfit like the rest IMO.
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Dusty is 29 today :birthday :bow.
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One of the worst games I’ve seen him ever play.
Looks disinterested Not leading by example. Second efforts non existent.
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Handballing to blokes about to get slammed. Looked terrible!
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Any issue with Dusty's little jab to the guts of McDonald?
Richo reckons the MRO will fine Dusty.
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Still looks like he’s in second gear.
I think the aim is 3rd gear by round 10 or 12 and by finals he’s just about ready to unleash.
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Will cop a fine or a week if they want to make an example of him + Richmond tax.
Silly by Dusty.
Bloke will be on fire at the tail end as usual.
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The first 20 pages of this thread is fantastic comedy. Mr Magic and a few others outdid themselves in here. Some brilliant analysis indeed lol. stuffing hilarious stuff.
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Dusty now on $882k post-covid cut. 4th highest in the league behind Buddy & Fyfe.
source: Ch7 news.
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Dusty now on $882k post-covid cut. 4th highest in the league behind Buddy & Fyfe.
source: Ch7 news.
Actually Ch7 just quoting numbers out of the HUN.
The last 2 days the HUN has listed to the top 100 paid players in the AFL
If the figures are even closely true there are some incredibly over paid players running around
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Dusty just reminded the football world tonight who the best player in the league is.
He can pick up the car now for goal of the year too :bow :bow :bow.
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Inb4 they give it to Membrey's karate kick arse goal.... :shh
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Membrey fluked it. Dusty had intent and backed himself.
Membrey a real surprise. Dusty genuine cream.
Mick Molloy was funny. Something along the lines of 'hes gone past petracca' haha
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Membrey fluked it. Dusty had intent and backed himself.
Membrey a real surprise. Dusty genuine cream.
Mick Molloy was funny. Something along the lines of 'hes gone past petracca' haha
Lol.
He also said “is stiffy too strong a word...” when describing Dusty’s form. :clapping
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Yes heard that one too. Love Molloy.
Dusty's goal reminded me of the 2018 QF vs Hawks.
But from about 50m out it was absurd...
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‘Dusty, you are a freak!’: Outrageous goal puts AFL on notice star is 'in Brownlow shape’
July 30, 2020 7:00am
by DAVID ZITA
Luke Darcy couldn’t have put it any better on Wednesday night.
His exclamation, “Dusty, you are a freak!”, could’ve come after many moments in Richmond’s thumping 41-point win over the Western Bulldogs, but it came following perhaps his finest moment.
After a dominant performance for the Tigers and with the ball coming towards him and Jack Macrae, Martin dismissed the leading possession-winner, collected the ball, stood up without duress despite being swung 360 degrees by tough nut Laitham Vandermeer, dished off the ball, got it back near the boundary line, ran towards the boundary just inside the 50 metre arc and launched a drop punt straight through the middle.
The play encapsulated every aspect of Dustin Martin that terrified every other club in their 2017 and 2019 premiership campaigns.
It would be foolish to ask anyone to replicate the heights Martin reached in his 2017 campaign in particular, but one man who watched that year as closely as any could feel Martin’s resurgence looking on.
“I think he’s in Brownlow shape,” Bruce Macavaney exclaimed during Martin’s 26 disposal, three-goal effort.
“He’s probably giving Lachie Neale a start and maybe Christian Petracca a start but I’m seeing votes coming left right and centre.”
Richmond great Matthew Richardson said Wednesday night’s performance may merely be the start of Martin rediscovering the form that few if any players from the modern era can match.
“He does sort of work his way into a season as well, in his best years he did that,” he said.
“He’s starting to get going now.”
Richardson’s comments were almost spoken ver batum by coach Damien Hardwick post-game.
“How he got it (his third goal) through I have no idea, but he’s a special player when he can do things like that,” he said.
“I thought last week he stood up as well ... Dustin’s one of those guys that does take a bit of time to get into the season and get up and going, but we can see what he’s like when he plays his very best how he can set the scene.”
We’re all excited (and rightly so) for the festival of footy that Wednesday night kicked off.
But maybe an even greater spectacle will be witnessing the game’s best player finally emerge from his slumber.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-dustin-martin-dustin-martin-goals-dustin-martin-highlights-tigers-dogs-richmond-western-bulldogs-round-8/news-story/d9ca3612ac5412ff1c1843ca67a08398
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After trialling out different boots over the past 12 months, Dusty has settled on the NIKE boots he wore on Wednesday night.
Expect a huge deal for Dusty done in the near future.
source: Tom Browne on Ch7.
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After trialling out different boots over the past 12 months, Dusty has settled on the NIKE boots he wore on Wednesday night.
Expect a huge deal for Dusty done in the near future.
source: Tom Browne on Ch7.
I wouldn't put much credence to this. Unless of course Ralph has given Tommy some sort of carrot ;D
DUSTY wore Nike in round 1, went back to his trusty Puma's until this week.
As for trialling different boots, I am not quite sure how wearing 2 brands over 12 months fits into that?
:rollin
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After trialling out different boots over the past 12 months, Dusty has settled on the NIKE boots he wore on Wednesday night.
Expect a huge deal for Dusty done in the near future.
source: Tom Browne on Ch7.
I thought dusty had a long term deal with Puma?
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After trialling out different boots over the past 12 months, Dusty has settled on the NIKE boots he wore on Wednesday night.
Expect a huge deal for Dusty done in the near future.
source: Tom Browne on Ch7.
I thought dusty had a long term deal with Puma?
He terminated last year because they were no longer making his favourite boots and they "were going in different directions"
DeGoey is Puma's number one player now, considering recent events I'm sure rapt about thst ;D
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Does this mean we as a club may be going to Nike in the near future.
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Does this mean we as a club may be going to Nike in the near future.
Nope
Still a couple of years to go on that contract
Nothing to see here
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Dusty for the second week in a row reminding the rest of the comp. he's still around as the best player in the league :thumbsup.
24 disposals
4 marks
4 clearances
9 inside 50s :o
604m gained :o
10 score involvements :o
3 goal assists
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Has Dusty reclaimed his mantle as best player in the game?
The better question might be, did he ever lose it? After a slow start to the season, the Brownlow medallist and two-time Norm Smith Medal winner is on fire and turned in another virtuoso performance. His audacious pass off the outside of his right boot to Jack Higgins in the third term was just exquisite. Whether he was onball or one-on-one deep, Martin worried Brisbane all night and made it two best on grounds in his past two matches.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/480616/kings-of-the-jungle-tigers-tame-wasteful-lions-leap-up-to-third)
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"reclaimed".... :joker
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‘No one does that’: Ridiculous Dustin Martin kick that left Fox Footy commentators in awe
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/16aada999eba79fbba2314df81a7f7ec)
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Nick Riewoldt and Garry Lyon have played in – and watched – a lot of footy matches over the years. But when Dustin Martin pulled off such a ridiculous kick like he did against Brisbane, the Fox Footy duo were left collectively breathless.
The Richmond superstar produced arguably another best-on-ground performance on Tuesday night, finishing with 24 disposals, four clearances and nine inside 50s.
And the best of those inside 50 entries, which came during the dying stages of the third term, proved Martin is back to his menacing best.
Sprinting along the left wing boundary line with a Lions opponent closing, Martin had to dispose of the ball promptly.
The natural tendency would’ve been to use his non-preferred left foot or simply bomb the ball forward. Instead, Martin calmly assessed his options and used the outside of his right boot to pull off a superb drop punt pass to Jack Higgins inside 50.
Considering the AFL speed and intensity, the degree of difficulty was very high. Yet one of the game’s best players pulled it off.
“You can talk about footy all you like and have your debates and your arguments, but no one does that. No one does that like Dusty,” Lyon told Fox Footy.
“You might get (Bulldog) Caleb Daniel to do it a little bit and go 15m, but that’s what separates him.
“Every time Dustin gets it, you’re a legitimate scoring chance.”
Nick Riewoldt said it’s still “amazing just to be able to sit down and watch him play a full game of footy”.
“You still have moments where it just takes your breath away. That kick on the outside of the foot – he just does stuff other players can’t do,” Riewoldt told Fox Footy.
As part of his transformation into one of the great players of the modern era, Martin has become a “maximum damage” player, according to Riewoldt.
It was only four years ago that Martin was averaging 31.1 disposals a game yet was widely criticised for quantity over quality. In 2020, Martin is all quality.
Of Martin’s 24 disposals against Brisbane, 10 of them led to scores. He’s ranked in the top 10 for score involvements per game.
Despite averaging just 20.5 disposals per outing in 2020, the 29-year-old’s influence on matches has seemingly never been greater, according to Lyon.
“There’s no one quite like Dustin Martin in the competition. We’re not telling anyone anything they don’t know, but we got further evidence of it (against Brisbane),” Lyon said.
“When he gets it, his ability to go to different parts of the ground is almost unsurpassed and to go to it in a manner that is almost always to the benefit of Richmond.
“Other players are limited in their ability to kick distance or length or power. But he has got the lot, this bloke.”
Martin also had a game-high and personal season-best 604m gained against Brisbane after gaining 430 and 506m in his previous two outings against the Bulldogs and Giants respectively.
The Brownlow Medallist is also ranked second in the league for average inside 50s per match (4.9).
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick lauded Martin’s ability to have a greater impact on games while having less disposals than previous seasons.
“That’s what good players do,” Hardwick told reporters post-game.
“Metres gained is really important to us in the way he plays. He just puts players in space – that’s what the really great players do and I thought he did that pretty well (on Tuesday night).
“We probably could have used a little bit of his class across the arc at various stages a little bit more. But once again, his last month has been pretty good from a form point of view.”
Martin’s output has undoubtedly increased over his past four games, booting seven goals and averaging 22.3 disposals, 10.8 contested possessions, 7.3 inside 50s, 4.8 clearances, 8.3 score involvements and 125.8 Champion Data Ranking points.
“I think his movement we’ve seen in the last fortnight has been a key around stoppages,” triple premiership player Jonathan Brown told Fox Footy.
“Clearly he was hampered early in the year, because his movement and his want to take the hits and movement around the stoppage (in recent games) – that tells me a healthy player.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-dustin-martin-stats-kick-against-brisbane-lions-video-nick-riewoldt-garry-lyon/news-story/d772381e7e7a54aed6823b477b43e075
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Dustin Martin has "put to bed" debate about the best player in the game
SEN
5 August 2020
Dustin Martin has had an incredible month of football, ending any arguments against him being the best player in the game, according to Garry Lyon.
The star midfielder was best on ground again in Richmond’s 41-point win over Brisbane on Tuesday night.
He was equally impressive in clashes with the Western Bulldogs and GWS and may have just picked up eight or nine Brownlow votes in three weeks.
Other players have been crowned as having surpassed Martin this year, with Lachie Neale the clear Brownlow favourite and Shane Crawford suggesting Christian Petracca is the number one player in the game.
"I just think his impact on the game has been outstanding. I think he's the new bull, he's gone past Dustin Martin," Crawford told Channel Nine.
"I know I might be jumping the gun, but this year so far what he's produced is some absolute first-class footy and the way he's going, for me at the moment, he is my first pick if I'm putting a team together."
Lyon, who disagreed with Crawford’s comments at the time, believes Martin has shut the book on any debate.
“Dustin Martin just put it to bed. I don’t think anyone was ever arguing (that he wasn’t the number one player in the game),” he told SEN Breakfast.
“Lachie Neale may have had a better year, but Dustin Martin is closing very, very quickly. He was sublime.”
Some Brownlow predictors have Neale on up to 19 votes to this point in the season, while Martin is expected to be on around 10.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/04/dustin-martin-has-put-to-bed-debate-about-the-best-player-in-the-game/
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Dusty fined for "hitting" Rockliff.
source: Ch7
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Did they also fine Rockliff for faking an AFL footballer?
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Garry Lyon slams double standards after Dustin Martin decision
news.com.au
12 August 2020
An angry Garry Lyon has called out the AFL for double standards by allowing an ugly part of the game to fester for too long.
Melbourne legend Garry Lyon has blasted the AFL for “condoning” punching instead of stamping it out after Dustin Martin was only fined for striking.
The Richmond superstar can accept a $1750 fine with an early guilty plea for hitting Port Adelaide’s Tom Rockliff during the Power’s 13.15 (93) to 11.6 (72) win over the Tigers on Monday night — his third charge for such an offence in two seasons.
Last month the 2017 Brownlow Medallist copped a $1000 fine for striking North Melbourne’s Luke McDonald.
Lyon believes by fining Martin rather than suspending him, the AFL is sending a message it doesn’t take punching seriously.
“We’ve been told about this punching. These come into vogue and then they go out of vogue,” Lyon said during Tuesday night’s episode of Fox Footy’s On The Couch.
“Dustin gives a little right (hand) to the neck (of Rockliff), so that’s a fine for Dustin. It’s the second fine for striking after this punch to the guts (on McDonald).
“The AFL, if you’re watching: You are condoning punching to the head and punching to the guts.
“So don’t tell us in any other way, because you’re not taking a stand and you’re not stamping out punching to the head. You are kidding yourself and don’t tell us any anything else either.”
The AFL said it would be cracking down on punching after Eagle Andrew Gaff’s sickening strike on Fremantle’s Andrew Brayshaw in 2018 that knocked the youngster’s teeth out and broke his jaw.
But Lyon accused the league of double standards and failing to walk the walk.
“Don’t ever come back to us and tell us you’re taking striking seriously again as they did about a year or two ago,” he added on SEN Breakfast.
“‘Oh, we want to stamp out striking, it’s a bad look for the game, it sends a really bad message’. That is disingenuous rot from the AFL.
“So, Dusty went for the third time in two years for striking on the weekend. Just punched (Rockliff) in the throat — and OK it wasn’t that hard, but is that what you want?
“If that was his first time then I can accept ‘not enough force’, but it’s the third time in two years for striking and he hasn’t missed a game.
“I’m not going to go on about it, but don’t ever come back and say, ‘Oh the look of the game is important to us and we want to stamp out striking’ because that is just rot. Unmitigated rot.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-garry-lyon-slams-double-standards-after-dustin-martin-decision/news-story/dd5195c32d891024709980d272d5cfb0
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They also singled out Rioli for laying down like he was badly hurt after getting hit in a contest but then quickly jumping to his feet when the ball came back into his area....media really ramping up the Richmond hate since we smashed their beloved Bears..... :shh
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A lazy 30 possies (17 contested), 7 clearances (5 out of the centre), 9 inside 50s, 9 score involvements, a game high 651 metres gained and a goal from Dusty. Just another day at the office ;D.
The only negative was a disposals efficiency of 53.3%.
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His class stands out a mile.
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Should hit fourth gear soon ready for overdrive come finals. :shh :rollin
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A lazy 30 possies (17 contested), 7 clearances (5 out of the centre), 9 inside 50s, 9 score involvements, a game high 651 metres gained and a goal from Dusty. Just another day at the office ;D.
The only negative was a disposals efficiency of 53.3%.
and the fact he doesn’t chase
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Richmond’s 27-point win over West Coast was notable for many reasons, but one stood out to Nick Riewoldt and Jonathan Brown above the rest.
The normally unperturbed Dustin Martin was visibly animated immediately after the final siren and later in the rooms, something rarely seen from him in the aftermath of a home-and-away match.
On Fox Footy’s post-game coverage, Riewoldt and Brown said the vision spoke volumes of where Richmond are at as a side.
“We quite often think of Dustin Martin as the cool cat, maybe he just rolls out and plays, but I think that’s selling him short,” Riewoldt said.
“When you saw the siren go and the emotion, a clench of the fist, real determination, a few choice swear words, pump the fist a few times, you thought OK he’s set himself for this one, the rest of the group had set themselves.
“It was almost like ‘these guys are contenders, this is our throne, they think they’re a chance to take it away from us, lets flex our muscles a bit and show them who’s boss.’”
Brown said Martin’s response, following a game where he had two goals, six tackles and 17 disposals, signified this was a “line in the sand” game for the reigning premiers, led by the best player in the competition.
“I think he personified Richmond right from the get go,” he said.
“We know Dusty does the brilliant things and he overwhelms teams with his power, but when he’s leading the charge with his pressure and his energy around the contest and leading the hunt, that was a worrying sign for the Eagles early in the game.”
Riewoldt lauded Martin for “exploding in and around the packs”, declaring “that’s when you get a sense Richmond mean business, when everyone including the best player in the competition is dialling into that style of play.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-dustin-martin-richmond-v-west-coast-tigers-eagles-dustin-martin-goal-damien-hardwick-richmond-song/news-story/1a86b7fe9af6394175ae62c7ee7999c5
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How good is Dusty!
He is so good we barely even talk about it anymore. We have just come to expect it and we get it.
He is a champion, and is one of the greatest players of all time.
We have been blessed.
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Chop stick gate was a long time ago.
KB called for his head at the time IIRC.
We used to read the news with dreaded anticipation every day.
Dusty is an amazing player and role model.
What a story..... and the excitement continues.!!!
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That banana from the boundary in a nutshell summed up his game. When things were tight, that goal pretty much demoralised west coast and they never really came back from there.
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Any votes for the brownlow?
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Wait for the haters to come out.
'VicBias' '
AFL love child'
'other players do that every week but they only care about Dusty'
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Wait? There would've been an army of oppo flogs posting & tweeting it within a minute of the goal... :shh
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How Was that bannana goal :rollin
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Any votes for the brownlow?
He will finish second
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
IF … Dusty was quiet against his old teammate Conca on Wednesday night ...
THEN … it mattered little, given the Tigers' ability to fight through their lethargy. And I really liked seeing him fire up, when he felt the tactics crossed the line. It sent a very loud "do not dare mess with me" to those who may have planned to do the same in coming weeks.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/495522/sliding-doors-if-gill-is-committed-to-letting-the-mullet-run-wild-then
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Anyone else think his snap in I think the third quarter was actually a goal? They didn’t show a replay but sure looked like a goal watching live.
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I celebrated early also! I thought it was a vintage dusty goal!
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Anyone else think his snap in I think the third quarter was actually a goal? They didn’t show a replay but sure looked like a goal watching live.
Yep I thought goal!
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Thought so too, until the ump signalled it touched the post (blink and you will miss it)
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Dusty's game tonight:
28 disposals (16k, 12h, 16c, 14u, 42.9% eff.) ... most disposals but poorest efficiency.
12 turnovers
6 marks (2 contested)
4 clearances (3 centre clearances)
6 inside 50s
496 metres gained
0 tackles
2 intercepts
1 hitout
6 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
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Media reports had him in the top 3 players on the ground.
ARISE MR OCTOBER
By his own lofty standards, Martin hasn't set 2020 alight, posting career-low disposal and tackle numbers this season and accruing his most modest goal tally since 2016.
It hasn't mattered.
Martin is timing his peak perfectly. Not for the first time a thorn in Adelaide's side in September, Martin played as well as he has all season, quelling everything and everyone the Crows threw at him. Mr September looks ready for October.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-tigers-poised-to-strike-after-securing-the-double-chance-20200919-p55xas.html)
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I thought he was great despite some poor disposals.
Excellent marking, which isn't always his strength.
Another lazy 12 goal finals series will be nice :D
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Dustin Martin's Finals averages since 2017
116 ranking points
23 disposals
12.5 contested possessions
4 clearances
4 inside 50s
2.3 goals
9.8 score involvements (Ranked #1 since 2017)
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1310550202747584516
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Take a wild guess who the Tigers picked as their best #AFLFinals performer 🏅🏅
Watch here: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1311270642319147012
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Dustin Martin
Burst out of the blocks, but as Lachie Neale made up ground, Dusty slowed down significantly. A victim of his own high standards in finals, but many would’ve been hoping for a bit more from the two-time Norm Smith Medallist.
Rating: 6
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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Generous in my opinion.
He butchered the ball all night especially inside 50. Didn’t impact the score board at all. His penetration was negligible.
Rating: 4
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Dustin Martin skewered by Mark Williams drive-by on The Front Bar
Footy superstar Dustin Martin has been skewered by one of his former coaches over the fact he’s been embarrassed by a 13-year-old girl.
Tyson Otto
news.com.au
OCTOBER 9, 2020
For every story of modern day footballers reaching the top only because of their exceptional work ethic, there are the stories of naturally gifted athletes who have been freakishly good at everything they have ever tried.
The footballers that can pick up a cricket bat or a golf club in summer and appear instantly like they have been doing it all their lives.
Well, we can now scratch Dustin Martin from that list.
Thanks to Port Adelaide premiership coach and former Richmond senior assistant coach Mark Williams, Martin’s secret of being extremely human away from the football field has been exposed.
Williams said he was serious in a hilarious segment on Channel 7’s The Front Bar when he gave the Tigers star a fair drive-by about being useless at every sport he attempts other than footy.
Williams, who was one of Martin’s closest mentors during the early stages of his career, said Martin is “lucky” he has a football career.
Front Bar host Mick Molloy asked Williams to explain the serve Williams gave his former pupil.
“You were saying some very controversial things about Dustin Martin,” Molloy said.
“You said, and I’m quoting you, ‘It’s lucky he can play football because he can’t do anything else’.”
Williams replied with a smile: “No that’s true.
“Dusty comes over and we might play darts — he can’t play. Table tennis? He throws the racquet at you. A little putting contest. I can say I could bring my little 13-year-old daughter over and say, ‘Izzy, come over here, lets play, quoits against him and see if he can beat you’. He can’t even beat her. He’s lucky, lucky, lucky that he can play football.
“You think I’m kidding don’t you? You should see him try and surf. He’s no good at that either.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-skewered-by-mark-williams-driveby-on-the-front-bar/news-story/75c834d0d2a07bc50a5ab6af22db6b16
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Dustin Martin
The Richmond superstar put on a clinic having nearly double the amount of inside 50s of any other player on the ground. A late goal put the icing on the cake, with Jonathan Brown outlining on Fox Footy how he thought Damien Hardwick wanted to use his star in the first half ““it looked like they wanted to play him forward very early on in the game and then I reckon they‘ve just gone ’oh bugger it, ’let’s put him in the midfield and let him dominate’.”
Rating: 9
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
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Highest-rated players
Dustin Martin (Richmond): Two things make a great finals player. One is the ability to always deliver – we checked, and we don’t think Dusty has ever played a bad final. Tick. The other is to absolutely explode in crucial moments and games, showing the rest of the competition how far behind they are. Tick, tick. 25 touches, almost 600 metres gained, 10 inside 50s, nine score involvements … bloody hell, he’s good.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-trade-news-semi-finals-review-press-conference-geelong-defeats-collingwood-richmond-defeats-st-kilda/news-story/1bc60e355e9550d872739140dc330e31)
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Dusty's last 8 finals:
Disposals 20.2
Contested poss. 11
Clearances 3.6
Goals 2.6
source: Footy Classified.
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Port won’t tag Tiger ace Dustin Martin
By AAP+
16/10/2020
Port Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley reckons it will take his entire team to put the clamps on Richmond megastar Dustin Martin in Friday night’s AFL preliminary final.
The Brownlow medallist looms as the game-breaker in the Adelaide Oval encounter to decide which club secures a grand final spot.
But Hinkley says he won’t deploy a hard tag on Martin, instead asking all his players to be mindful of not only the Tigers great, but his teammates.
“Collectively the job on any of their players will be done by the team, that is what will happen,” Hinkley said.
“Dusty is a great player.
“But it’s a prelim final. There’s great players out there everywhere and that is why it’s exciting.
“It’s Richmond’s great players and Port Adelaide’s great players – there’s some concern for both teams.
“That is why you go into a prelim final and you’re on edge.”
Martin has played starring roles in Richmond’s preliminary finals in their premiership years of 2017 and 2019.
In a 2017 win against Greater Western Sydney he collected 20 disposals and booted three goals; in a 2019 triumph over Geelong he gathered 22 possessions and kicked two majors.
But in 2018, when the Tigers lost a preliminary final, Martin was relatively subdued by his lofty standards – 19 touches and scoreless.
The star Tiger will again by given licence to roam against Port through the midfield and in attack.
“He can make his impact in both areas of the ground,” Richmond assistant coach Adam Kingsley said.
“And pretty much where he’s having his impact, we tend to leave him.
“He’s very, very good around stoppages, very good through the midfield. But he’s also a goalscorer and a difficult match-up (in attack).
“We will just see how the game pans out to see where he’s playing.”
DUSTIN MARTIN’S PRELIMINARY FINALS
* 2017 (Richmond beat Greater Western Sydney by 36 points): 20 disposals, 3 goals 3 behinds, 4 clearances, 2 goal assists, 1 inside 50
*2018 (Richmond lose to Collingwood by 39 points): 19 disposals, no score, 0 clearances, 1 goal assist, 4 inside 50s
* 2019 (Richmond beat Geelong by 19 points): 22 disposals, 2 goals 2 behinds, 2 clearances, 0 goal assists, 4 inside 50s
https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/port-wont-tag-tiger-ace-martin-in-afl/547489
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Didn't dominate but Dusty is a class above out there. Clean + footy smarts. Wouldn't have won without him.
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Champagne football from the champ. Every time he took possession we either gained territory or it opened up the play. Not to mention his goals were amazing
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:bow
Great game
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Set shot goal was a thing of beauty.
Another great game from mr. September ahhhh or is it mr. October
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Dustin Martin
What else can you say about Dusty in finals? He did what he does on the big stage. A couple of goals, the leading posesssion winner for the Tigers and looked dangerous whenever he got near it. He lifts when it counts.
Rating: 9
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
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Well he is easily the best player in the game currently, and one of the best to have ever played this great game in my mind. So grateful to be watching him week in week out as he is extraordinary.
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'Boy, could he play': Dusty's journey to Richmond greatness
By Wayne Campbell
The Age
October 22, 2020
The memory is still vivid. I was sitting in the Graham Richmond room at the Richmond Football Club as Francis Jackson, the club's national recruiting manager, took the coaches through the draftees his team had selected in the previous week's 2009 national draft.
He had selected Dustin Martin, from Castlemaine, with pick three. It's always an optimistic time for recruiters, but Francis seemed particularly pleased with himself this year.
He made three points:
- He thought Dustin was the best player in the draft (they always do!);
- He was unique player, in that he was an inside mid, who unlike a few going around the league who played inside the contest, was also a beautiful kick, and;
- He probably wouldn't captain the club.
The first two have proved to be absolutely true but it was the third descriptor that I remember generating the most discussion at the time. Leadership is always high on the list of attributes when ranking players, so for Frank to be so candid was interesting.
"Why is that?" someone asked.
"He's different. He's quiet. He's from a unique background. But don't worry, in 10 years' time we wont be talking about his lack of leadership," was the way I remember Francis answering the query.
To have watched Dustin's journey is to see the way football can help and nurture a young person to grow into a man, while fulfilling their sporting ambitions.
Dustin was instantly likable. He was shy and awkward but still, people naturally gravitated to him. And boy, could he play.
His first training session was a sign of things to come. There was a stoppage drill; the ball got hit to him, he pivoted, planted his hand on the chest of a would-be tackler (his arm was much skinnier back then) and dispensed with them before kicking a quaint, perfectly weighted 20-metre left-footer that seemed to nestle into the hands of a leading forward.
You could hear the coaches' brains ticking over.
He was funny and self-deprecating.
The choice of location of his first tattoo was interesting to say the least – his neck.
Exactly seven days after acquiring his new artwork, he walked into my office, sat down pointing to his neck and remarked, "not sure about this".
In his first three seasons he got better every year. He never missed games and finished top four of the best and fairest. All you want from a top three pick.
The next three years, while the Tigers wobbled a bit, Dustin's football was still at a very high standard, but maybe plateaued a little.
There was a dalliance with leaving the Tigers, including a much-publicised tour of the GWS Giants' facility. The meeting with coach Leon Cameron proved the turning point. The more Leon asked Dustin about Richmond, the more he relaxed. When asked about the people at Richmond, his eyes lit up and he was effusive in his praise. Everyone in the meeting knew where he should be playing his football. By 5pm that night, Dusty was a Tiger again.
There were a couple of issues off the field. I will make comment on only one.
It has been well documented that he had an incident at a Japanese restaurant with some chopsticks allegedly being used threateningly. Once told of the alleged account I tossed it around in my head for a few minutes before it hit me. "He didn't do it," I said to myself.
It's common for anyone who looks like Dustin to be stereotyped. But ask anyone who knows him, he is a teddy bear, and I, like many, just want to hug the man he has become.
Multiple investigations cleared him of the allegation.
A lot of people have helped Dustin become the player and person he is today. Trent Cotchin is one of the more influential. His desire and willingness to help his friend and teammate has indeed aided Dustin to flourish.
What hasn't been considered as much as it might, is the role this has played in Richmond's turnaround and resurgence to be the premier club of the past four years and on the cusp of true greatness.
Dustin and Trent are very different people. A fairly obvious statement. Trent is at home with the white picket fence and family, while Dustin is at music festivals with Dane Swan.
The fact that Trent went to the lengths he did to help the person the most diametrically opposed to his personality showed the whole of the Richmond playing list and the club that they would look out for each other and differences would be embraced.
Like everyone, I constantly marvel at what Dustin does on the field. But it is off the field, and the person he has become, that makes me a little misty-eyed.
He likes to come to Sydney to get away so he, Brett Deledio and I have often find ourselves over a cool beer on a warm afternoon.
The nervous, shy youngster who walked into the Richmond Football Club 10 years ago has been replaced by a quietly assured and confident, extremely respectful young man. He is curious about the world and optimistic about the impact he can have on it.
There is a still a twinkle in his eye, but given all that he has had encountered in life, his mum and dad have every right to be very proud of their son.
He's had to overcome challenges, like a lot of people in life. Most though, don't have to grow up under the spotlight that has shone so brightly on him.
Meditation has taught him to calm his mind so that he feels as calm off the field as what he looks on it.
Tony Greenberg, the lifelong Tiger supporter and media department doyen, this year ranked Dustin ahead of the great Francis Bourke for the first time in a list of the greatest Richmond players. Heady praise indeed, that potentially places only Jack Dyer and Royce Hart ahead of him.
This Saturday, Dusty has a chance at immortality. That may just slide him up two more places. And if he doesn't, it won't matter at all. He's already achieved more than Francis Jackson could have ever dreamed of. With still plenty more to come…
PS - Dustin Martin captained Richmond against Adelaide in round 13 of the 2019 season. How cool is that?
Wayne Campbell is a former Richmond captain and assistant coach.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/boy-could-he-play-dusty-s-journey-to-richmond-greatness-20201022-p567gl.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
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Melbourne tanked (against Richmond) to get picks 1+2. When the Tigers found out the Dees wanted Scully and Trengove they hit the road. The story of how (and where) Dustin Martin became a Tiger 🏌️♂️🍴
When Dustin Martin was five he would go to sleep wearing a St Kilda cap. And when he was 17 he was doing this on the Golden Square netball courts ... #aflfinals #gotiges
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AFL Grand Final 2020: How Dustin Martin went from Castlemaine kid to modern-day great at Richmond
Only four men in VFL/AFL history have won dual Norm Smith Medals, but none have won three. Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has the chance to do exactly that when he faces off against Geelong in Saturday’s decider.
Sam Landsberger, Gold Coast, News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
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Dustin Martin the 17-year-old walked on to the Golden Square netball courts.
The cleanskin kid from Castlemaine had arrived at footy training early and decided to warm up with some party tricks.
He had no idea Richmond was watching.
“For 15 minutes I watched Dustin just in front of me – he didn’t know I was there – kicking boomerang goals from the netball court, which was lateral to the footy field,” Tigers recruiter Francis Jackson told the Herald Sun.
“I’d driven up to watch Dustin train – sometimes you can learn a bit watching them train – and I’ll never forget sitting there in the cold at Golden Square.”
In 2009 an early draft choice beckoned for the Tigers after they sacked coach Terry Wallace at two wins and nine losses.
But Jordan McMahon’s goal after the final siren against Melbourne in Round 18 helped gift the Demons a priority pick in a game everyone bar the AFL accepts that the Dees threw.
Melbourne ended up with the first two golden selections in a draft flush for midfielders, and Martin had rattled to the finish line.
In Martin’s final three TAC Cup matches he averaged 153 SuperCoach points and collected 32 disposals each time.
But the Tigers – armed with pick No. 3 – had fallen in love with the future megastar a long time before then and ranked him a clear No.1.
“I remember I saw him play as a bottom-age player and thought, ‘my goodness’,” Jackson said.
“His power and speed was just phenomenal. We were all over him.”
In August that year, the Tigers appointed Hawthorn assistant Damien Hardwick as coach over Geelong’s Ken Hinkley and, about four days before the national draft, their prayers were answered.
“We found out Melbourne were picking (Tom) Scully and (Jack) Trengove, and our recruiting department jumped straight in a car, drove up to Bendigo and organised to meet Dustin,” Jackson said.
“We went and played golf at Eaglehawk.
“Dustin had never played golf before and it was a bit like Happy Gilmore, he basically had a run up.
“We had lots of laughs and then we drove back to the Shamrock Hotel in Bendigo and had lunch with his mum (Kathy) and his grandma (Lois) and told him we were picking him, that we had strong advice Melbourne were taking Trengove and Scully and that Dustin was going to become a Tiger.
“They were delighted at that, and we were delighted with Dustin, because we knew he had attributes that were unique.”
Martin’s boomerangs from the Golden Square netball courts can be traced back to a childhood spent attached to a Sherrin.
His parents converted one of the paddocks at the family farm into football field complete with goalposts.
“Before school in the morning he would go out and have a kick. Then he’d come home from school, drop his bag at the door and he’d be out kicking the football again,” Lois said.
“When he was five he had a football in his hand all the time.
“He’d sleep with it and even go to bed with a St Kilda cap on.”
Martin’s Nan delivered that anecdote to the Herald Sun shortly after he had won his first Norm Smith Medal in 2017, in a week in which Martin also became a premiership player and Brownlow Medallist.
Perhaps he was a touch fortunate in the ’17 Grand Final.
Both Hardwick and Adelaide coach Don Pyke thought Bachar Houli was best-on-ground, as did Wallace, who voted on the medal.
But the AFL world was giddy with “Dusty” fever at the time and it was fitting that he capped one of the best individual seasons ever seen with a trio of medals, having just polled a record 36 Brownlow votes and inked an $8.75 million contract extension.
Last year, it was a different story.
Martin (four goals) was the unanimous choice for a second Norm Smith Medal and, against Geelong on Saturday night, he has the chance to become the game’s first three-time winner of the prestigious award in history.
“Geez, imagine becoming a three-time Norm Smith winner,” said Gary Ayres, the first person to win two.
“Uniqueness and greatness, they’re two words that come to mind.”
Ayres won the medal in 1986 and 1988 and was joined by Andrew McLeod (1997-98), Luke Hodge (2008 and 2014) and then Martin (2017 and 2019) as the only multiple recipients.
Hawthorn heroes Ayres and Hodge both marvelled at Martin’s “elite” consistency.
Ayres, now a VFL coaching legend at Port Melbourne and former Cats and Adelaide coach, said Geelong needed to find someone with size and strength after Martin treated lightweight preliminary final match-up Darcy Byrne-Jones like one of his TAC Cup opponents.
“As an old defender you really want that pressure to be high-octane when the ball is coming in,” Ayres said.
“He’s such a powerful mark and powerful athlete but someone who’s got a little bit more size on Dusty and is just as strong, if not stronger, would be a suggestion from an old ex-coach.”
Jake Kolodashnij looms as the man, although Hodge warned that Martin could burn you twice.
How often does Kane Lambert start forward and spit into the midfield, giving Martin a deadly amount of freedom?
“He’s got some teammates around him that are playing really selfless roles around half-forward who work up for him,” Hodge said.
“He gets to either exploit a midfielder who’s not as strong as him when he sneaks forward, or if he plays forward he can work up the ground and exploit a defender who isn’t as smart around a stoppage.
“Having a bloke who can play mid and forward and do both equally well … it’s a dangerous match-up.”
Hodge won his Norm Smiths two years apart and pocketed his second after his 30th birthday.
It has him thinking Martin won’t be done devouring finals by 10pm at the Gabba.
“For a bloke who’s 29, and if you assess Richmond’s list and where they’re going, I’m tipping he’s going to be playing finals for the next few years,” Hodge said.
“What he could be …. who knows?”
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Cheers for posting that article, amc11 :cheers.
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Will Dustin Martin get a bit of extra attention from the Cats tomorrow night?
Chris Scott answers that very question.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1319584400045182976
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Thanks Dusty
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The G.O.A.T. Absolute freak. A once in a generation if not lifetime player.
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Add the only one ever with 3 Norm Smith's :clapping :bow.
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After tonight he is the best player I have seen play for the Tigers
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All of his 4 goals tonight were ludicrous.
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I need to take a moment to thank Jordan McMahon for his kick after the siren which landed us pick 3 and got us dusty.
Also his class was out this world tonight. Can someone make a gif of his goal where he kept his feet on the dangerfield tackle?
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The greatest
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All of his 4 goals tonight were ludicrous.
Yep. The last one will be replayed for ever more. One of the greatest GF goals of all time.
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Cometh the moment, cometh the man :bow
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Dustin Martin – 9
What more can be said about Martin? The game is better for him playing it. He almost single-handedly dragged the Tigers out of the mire at the end of the second, booting a crucial goal just before the main break. Ended the game with a four-goal haul, a third Norm Smith medal and officially a modern-day great.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/521174/tigers-player-ratings-no-passengers-on-the-tiger-train)
Dustin Martin
Dustin ‘Norm’ Martin was simply stunning as the Tigers came from behind to win the game. He kicked a fine goal just before half-time just as the Tigers looked to be out of the contest. But he started the third quarter up forward and got the Tigers back in front during the quarter with a fine snap. He ended with four goals and 21 touches to create a memorable dynasty for the yellow and black.
Rating: 10
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-vs-geelong-dustin-martin-player-ratings-tigers-stats-best-and-worst-players-afl-finals-gabba/news-story/2c23bd9c6b85150e3f828938dc9c0006)
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Dusty's legend grows with historic third Norm Smith Medal
By Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
25 October 2020
CHAMPION midfielder Dustin Martin has elevated himself to an unmatched level of greatness, becoming the first player to win a third Norm Smith Medal.
The Richmond superstar, who spearheaded his team's third premiership in four seasons, stamped himself as the modern game's greatest finals performer with four goals and 21 disposals against Geelong.
After matching the achievements of dual Norm Smith medallists Gary Ayres, Andrew McLeod and Luke Hodge last season, Martin joined a club all of his own at the Gabba on Saturday night.
The player of his generation, he became a triple premiership player and was presented with Norm Smith Medal by Port Adelaide's 2004 winner Byron Pickett.
He was unanimously adjudged best on ground, polling 15 votes to win the medal from teammate Jayden Short (six), Shane Edwards (four), Geelong's Mitch Duncan (three) and Nathan Broad (two).
The defining quality of Martin's match was his ability to impose himself on the contest when the Tigers most needed it. It is what made this arguably his best performance in a decider.
He had 29 possessions and two goals against Adelaide in 2017, and 22 and four against Greater Western Sydney last year's rout.
After winning his first Norm Smith Medal in 2017, Martin spoke about the freedom he felt playing football, not having to worry about anything else.
Winning his third premiership was "surreal", with the individual accolade an added bonus.
"It doesn't feel real," he said on Saturday night. "I'm just so grateful to be part of an unbelievable group. I'm lost for words to be honest."
With his team trailing by 21 points late in the second quarter on Saturday, Martin lifted and produced the first of his four goals.
Geelong defender Jake Kolodjashnij was sweating on him, but he pushed free and snapped truly over his shoulder. It was a big moment the Tigers could build on.
His second, late in the third quarter, gave the Tigers a lead they would never surrender, keeping his feet in the contest, breaking free, and converting with the inside out kick that comes so naturally to the skilled craftsman.
Martin sealed the match with a brilliant bouncing goal from beyond 50m and his fourth was the cream on top with a touch of symbolism, shaking off rival superstar Patrick Dangerfield in the pocket to set the Tiger Army into a frenzy.
The 29-year-old had a game-high nine score involvements and his five inside 50s and 457 metres gained ranked No.2 at the Tigers behind teammate Short.
For Geelong coach Chris Scott, Martin was "peerless" in the way he played. The Cats drew up multiple plans to combat him, but none worked.
"Sometimes you can do not a lot wrong and just get beaten by class," Scott said.
A ruthless competitor who finds a new level in big games, Martin's record in finals since 2017 is phenomenal.
The central figure in this Tigers dynasty, he has averaged 22.7 disposals and 2.3 goals in 11 finals.
Australian Football Hall of Fame Legends Leigh Matthews and Malcolm Blight each voted to give Martin his third Norm Smith Medal on Saturday night. It would appear to be only a matter of time until the immortal Tiger joins them in that exclusive club.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/521179/dusty-s-legend-grows-with-historic-third-norm-smith-medal
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The Moment: With hope dangling by a thread, up stepped a superstar
Dustin Martin gave the Tigers belief at the moment when they needed him most
By Riley Beveridge
afl.com.au
25 October 2020
RICHMOND was on its haunches.
The Tigers had conceded five straight goals, they trailed by 21 points and, for perhaps the first time in their dominant four-year stretch at the summit of the entire competition, they needed a lifeline.
The looming half-time interval wouldn't just give Damien Hardwick's side a chance to catch its breath and regroup, it would provide a salvation. Hope wasn't lost, but it was dangling by a thread.
But when you have Dustin Martin, the greatest finals performer of his generation, you are always going to have belief. And at that moment, the moment when Richmond needed him most, belief is exactly what Dusty gave the Tigers.
Martin swept on the footy, shrugged aside the attentions of Jake Kolodjashnij with ease and, having not yet even grasped the ball with his full control, hooked an extraordinary right-foot kick around his body and through for a goal.
All of a sudden, the spark had been lit.
Yes, the deficit was still 15 points. Yes, Geelong was still in the ascendancy. But just like that, the momentum of the match had shifted. Just like that, doubt had been cast into the minds of the Cats at half-time.
Just like that, history – in Martin becoming the first ever player to claim a third Norm Smith Medal – had started to unfold.
In this, the most unprecedented of seasons – and in this, the most unfamiliar of venues, times and environments for a Toyota AFL Grand Final – there would at least be some semblance of familiarity in Martin's brilliance.
Never a player to simply pad the stats sheets, Martin's genius stems from his influence, his impact and the unique moments that only he can create. On Saturday night, that was the first of four moments that defined the Grand Final.
As the Tigers piled on eight of the next nine goals to march to a thrilling third premiership in four years courtesy of a 30-point win over the Cats, Martin's fingerprints were etched across every significant moment in Richmond's remarkable run.
He kicked the first goal to start the comeback, he kicked the fifth goal to reclaim the lead for Richmond, and he kicked the eighth goal to ensure that there would be no doubt as to the home of this year's premiership.
Martin would add a fourth goal in the game's dying moments to put the cherry on top. But at that point, it was simply party time. The damage had been inflicted, and the name 'Dustin Martin' had been carved into the Norm Smith Medal once again.
While Martin's first of the evening was the moment Geelong might have started to question the strength of its foothold within the game, his second was the moment the Cats probably knew an unstoppable tide was sweeping over them.
Another clean pick up, and another simply awesome finish – this one dribbled through with the outside of his right boot – was Richmond's fifth straight major of the match and, delivered midway through the third term, gave the Tigers their first lead since the opening quarter.
The Tigers wear teams down like no other, this was just another example of that. But when they do, Martin is the player who ensures there is no escape when they have you in their grasp.
Having added two more to make it seven straight goals, Richmond soon stretched its lead to 16 points midway through the final quarter on the back of Martin's heroics. Now, it just needed to land the killer blow. And who better to deliver that?
https://www.afl.com.au/news/521177/the-moment-with-hope-dangling-by-a-thread-up-stepped-a-superstar
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He got us started at the end of thst second term led by example and the boys followed.
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All of his 4 goals tonight were ludicrous.
Yep. The last one will be replayed for ever more. One of the greatest GF goals of all time.
especially who he shrugged off to kick the goal.
Freak.
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He basically kicked goal of the year 4 times in a Grand Final. Absolutely insane. Neale can keep the Brownlow, the norm Smith and premiership is so much sweeter
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In all reality Dusty’s efforts, lifted the team, demoralised Geelong, and dragged us over the line. Without Dusty we would have struggled to win big time. What a player.
So humble and team orientated.
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'He's the GOAT': Dusty's generous words for hurt opponent
Jake Niall
The Age
October 26, 2020
After his historic third Norm Smith Medal, a modest Dustin Martin said he was "lucky" to be in the right spots when booting his four goals in the grand final and that the Tigers' victory was "not a one-man job".
While Martin intervened at crucial stages, particularly his first goal just before half-time when the Tigers trailed by 22 points, the champion did not think he chose the moments to kick telling goals.
"Not really. As 'Dimma' [coach Damien Hardwick] just said, you just try and take your chances when it's your moment and I was lucky enough to be in the right spot, you know the key forwards battled their arse off to bring the ball to the ground.
"I was just in the right place."
Martin said of his achievement of becoming the first player to win three Norm Smith Medals: "I don't know what it means to me at the moment. There's no way I would be able to do it without my teammates, we're an unbelievable team, it's not a one-man job, we all do our part and I'm just incredibly grateful to be a member of the team."
Martin, who was the unanimous choice of the Norm Smith Medal judges as best afield, said becoming a three-time premiership player was "the cool one" rather than the Norm Smith Medals.
"Yeah, that's the cool one right there. As Dimma just said, the adversity we faced this year, yeah I still can't believe it – it's very special and a very special club."
Martin said the Tigers had started to look like themselves again late in the second quarter, after the Cats had been in control.
"They got off to a good start, but as Dimma said that last five minutes to go in the second quarter, it started to look like Richmond again – credit to the boys we took that into the second half and stuck to the process, couldn't be prouder."
Martin acknowledged there had been peaks and troughs in Richmond's time in the Gold Coast hub this season: "It's had its ups and downs but we're an incredible club and we love being around each other and we got through really well and yeah, it's something we'll look back at the rest of our lives and say 'wow it's really cool.'"
Hardwick observed that Martin's goals had been really important, with his first coming when the Tigers "couldn't buy one" in the second quarter.
"Yeah, it was an important goal ... we just needed a goal – couldn't buy one.
"That's what great players do – they take their opportunies and get the job done. That's why he sits here with his third Norm Smith really."
Martin was jocular when asked if he had imminent tattoo plans. "I haven't got any yet, but George [Jason Castagna] brought his tattoo gun up so I daresay he'll be getting that out tomorrow."
Otherwise, the triple Norm Smith medallist suggested he would celebrate with teammates at the hub venue before remaining in Queensland for a time.
"Enjoy it together as a club back at the resort we're at tonight, tomorrow. And then might stick around here for a little bit and see what happens." Would he catch Serena Williams again? "Not this year."
Martin, 29, who joined the Tigers at the same post-season when Hardwick was appointed, 2009, described his coach as like a second father to him.
"The care that he's got for his players, ever since we started together 10 years ago, you know he's almost like a second father to a lot of us – he's a friend first, and then a coach second. I couldn't be more grateful, you know, he's helped me become a better person and along with all the other boys as well."
Martin also had generous words for retired champion Gary Ablett.
"He's the GOAT, isn't he. He's had an incredible career, yeah, he's an amazing player, an amazing person. It was a pleasure to play against him tonight and I wish him all the best."
Sitting alongside his coach, Martin jested that he would return for pre-season training in February. "That's just who we are as a group, we're humble and we're hungry. Success is awesome and enjoy this one and we'll be looking to forward to pre-season again – in February."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/he-s-the-goat-dusty-s-generous-words-for-hurt-opponent-20201025-p5689z.html
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/jhx2nh/dustin_martins_4th_and_final_goal_against_geelong/
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Dusty won his third Gary Ayres coaches award :clapping :bow.
AFLCA Gary Ayres Award: Perfect Dusty lands third trophy.
Gary Ayres Award leaderboard
28 Dustin Martin (RICH)
22 Mitch Duncan (GEEL)
10 Nic Naitanui (WCE)
10 Daniel Rich (BL)
9 Patrick Dangerfield (GEEL)
9 Shane Edwards (RICH)
9 Paddy Ryder (STK)
9 Ollie Wines (PORT)
8 Jayden Short (RICH)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/523032/aflca-gary-ayres-award-perfect-dusty-lands-third-trophy
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'Strength of a bricklayer, skills of a surgeon': Dusty joins great debate
Greg Baum
The Age
October 26, 2020
Triple Richmond club champion Geoff Raines thinks Dustin Martin might have superseded Kevin Bartlett as the greatest Tigers player in living memory.
Veteran media man Mike Sheahan still has Bartlett at No 1 - just. Neil Balme, who played with one and stewarded the other, doesn’t see any point in comparing, but is grateful that both were on his side - the side of rampant Richmond success.
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan thinks Martin, uniquely with three Norm Smith medals, has established himself as the greatest grand final player of all, maybe the best finals player. Sheahan doesn’t necessarily disagree, but slips the names of the other multiple Norm Smith winners, Gary Ayres, Luke Hodge and Andrew McLeod into the mix.
Balme notes that you have to be fortunate to play finals in the first instance to prove that you can dominate them. Martin is and does.
Leigh Matthews, the official 'player of the 20th century', shies away from intergenerational compare-and-contrast, observing that we’re now well into the 21st century. At the same time, he sees that it is like-for-like, robust goal-kicking midfielders. “Dusty’s the only player I don’t get insulted being compared to,” he said with his customary twinkle.
If footy people love one thing more than a great player, it’s a debate about great players. One, Gary Ablett, left the stage with subdued dignity in Saturday’s grand final, leaving it for Martin to make what he will of it. The taciturn Martin delivered his own bouquet to Ablett, calling him the greatest of all time. The title is not yet vacant.
So where does Martin sit, and where might he one day rest? Let’s do this in ascending order.
Best Richmond player? “I’ve still got Bartlett No 1, but he’s gone past Royce Hart and Francis Bourke,” said Sheahan, doyen of footy media and inveterate list-maker. “He’s a more polished player than Bartlett, and a better team player.”
But Bartlett endured for 19 years, played 403 games, won five best-and-fairests and five premierships. The Norm Smith did not exist for most of his career, but he won one anyway in 1980. Also, he has a statue.
Martin has three flags, three Norms, a Brownlow medal, but oddly enough only two b&fs. This reflects the sudden and meteoric rise of him and Richmond four years ago, a sublimely virtuous circle. At 29, he also has time.
Best finals player? “You’ve got to be lucky enough to be playing finals to know if you can play well in finals,” said Balme (ask Bob Skilton, three Brownlows, one final). “Dusty’s been lucky to play the last few years. The best players are the ones who play well when it matters most. That’s finals. I think we’ll remember him for that more than most.”
Sheahan observes that of the 11 finals Richmond has played in the past four years, Martin has been best-on-ground in eight, arguably nine of them. Matthews marvels that in six finals in the past two years, Martin has kicked 15.2. “He performs under pressure,” Matthews said. “He must have ice in his veins.”
In all this weighing and measuring, recency bias plays a part. This is most starkly illustrated by the career of Gary Ablett, senior: one b&f, no Brownlows, no premierships, impossible to confine or define by stats, yet in many minds still the clubhouse leader for best player ever. It’s worth keeping in mind.
Best grand final player? Now we’re cooking. McLachlan can’t go past those three medals. “This has been a year like no other topped off by a grand final like no other,” he said. “It seems fitting that we had a game-changing and history-making performance by Dustin Martin, who is now a grand final player like no other.”
All agree Martin’s distinction is that the bigger the occasion, the better he plays, making the grand final his natural theatre. “To be so good on the biggest day on the calendar is an accolade in itself,” said Matthews. “The fact that you can play so well when the pressure is at its greatest.”
Geelong looked to have Richmond in a stranglehold on Saturday night, until Martin’s muscled through a goal just before half-time to prise it loose. “He just knows what to do, when it needs to be done,” said Balme.”It’s timing. You were thinking, we need something to happen now, and he does it. And you’d think, how does he do that?”
Best player ever? Not yet. “It’s about longevity and how good you can be on your best days,” said Matthews. “It’s a combination of the two. He hasn’t got longevity yet. Dusty’s been really good for the last five years. Gary Ablett’s been fantastic for 10 to 15 years.”
But Martin does have runs on the board (well, this is cricket season). He’s been around for 10 years. He’s played 243 games. He rarely misses, a tribute to his thorough preparation. He’s only 29. He’s at a club and in a time that is going to keep him vitally interested for some years yet.
Crucially, he plays in a position and in a way that sticks in the memory. “He’s got the strength and power of a bricklayer,” said Matthews, “and the touch and skills of a deft surgeon.”
When not in the midfield, where he is the best of a common type, he’s lurking up forward, ready to kick goals, which even specialist forwards find hard. In this, he is much like Matthews. He kicked 915.
“All four of his [grand final] goals could have been goals of the day,” Matthews said. “Teams have realised that if you can be a goalkicker, play the forward half. Dusty doesn’t go back and neither should he. That’s where the crap stats happen.”
Geelong captain Joel Selwood might have imagined he would have the last word on Saturday. In a way, he did, ruefully.
“We had a plan for Dusty. We had a couple of plans for him,” he said. “He’s a good player. He’s a hell of a player.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/strength-of-a-bricklayer-skills-of-a-surgeon-dusty-joins-great-debate-20201025-p568fn.html
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Dusty is the best Richmond player Ive seen in my 50 years on this earth. For me hechas overtaken Bartlett. By the time he is done he will be the best ever.
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Manager explains why Dusty rejected TWO $11m offers
Joey Riordan
7Sport
27 October 2020
It’s been revealed that AFL superstar Dustin Martin rejected two seven-year $11m offers in 2017 to remain at the Tigers.
Ralph Carr, the three-time Norm Smith medal winner’s manager, told SEN both North Melbourne and the Adelaide Crows offered the eye-watering deals to entice Dusty out of Tigerland when he was last off-contract in 2017.
Carr said he eventually convinced Martin to take a lesser offer from the Tigers because of the club’s ability to help him achieve his footy goals.
It was a decision that continues to pay off for the 29-year-old, who last weekend won his third premiership with Richmond.
“It was $11 million over seven (years from North Melbourne),” Carr told SEN.
“They (Crows) matched that offer. Mark Ricciuto came down to see me and they matched that offer. Then we took less than that to stay at Richmond, which I had to talk Dusty into.
“I gave him the equation of what we could make outside of football, which I thought was a lot better and I thought Richmond were a better club and better equipped to take him to where he wanted to go.”
AFL superstar Dustin Martin rejected two seven-year $11m offers at the end of 2017 to remain at the Tigers.
Martin eventually re-signed with the Tigers on a lucrative seven-year deal.
Carr explained that as Dusty closed in on making his contract decision in 2017, one moment proved that staying was the correct call.
“The last game was against St Kilda (before re-signing) and he got a standing ovation and I think after that game we met for dinner, which we normally do, and he said ‘I think you’re right about staying’,” Carr said.
“He got this huge standing ovation which was pretty amazing.”
Adelaide football director Mark Ricciuto has accepted that the Crows went hard for Dusty in 2017, after losing Paddy Dangerfield to Geelong.
“We had a genuine crack at him as a football club,” Ricciuto told Triple M.
“His manager Ralph Carr was sort of putting it out there and seeing who would have a bid at him and we decided we would have a crack.
“We’d just lost Paddy Dangerfield who had just gone back to Geelong so it was a bit of a like for like.”
Ricciuto revealed the offer made to Dusty was “probably the biggest offer the Adelaide Football Club has put to anyone”.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/manager-explains-why-dusty-rejected-two-11m-offers-c-1465044
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7:34 seconds.
That's how long Dusty had possession of the ball for ALL four of his goals :o.
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MARK WILLIAMS’ PRE-GRAND FINAL MESSAGE TO DUSTIN MARTIN
By Alex Zaia
SEN
November 1, 2020
Mark Williams set Richmond superstar Dustin Martin a task in this year’s Grand Final against Geelong.
Williams messaged Martin on the Thursday before the Grand Final challenging him to kick a second-straight four-goal haul in a premiership decider.
Martin didn’t disappoint.
The 29-year-old’s four-goal performance saw him become the first player in VFL/AFL history to win three Norm Smith Medals as the Tigers defeated the Cats by 31 points to clinch their third flag in four years.
“I sent Dustin a message on the Thursday before hand and Dustin’s always been a player that likes a little carrot in front of him, so I gave him a target,” Williams told SEN’s Dwayne’s World.
“I said to him, ‘I reckon four goals will do you, mate’ and I’m sitting there thinking, ‘he’s got three, that’s not bad’ but then he delivered on the last one.
“I was delighted because when you’ve done everything you need to keep looking at what’s the next thing and he continually surprises everyone … a three-time Norm Smith Medallist.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/01/mark-williams-pre-grand-final-message-to-dustin-martin/
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Dusty surrounded by five opposition players. We all know what happened next :clapping :bow.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EliixyUU4AExFfv?format=jpg&name=small)
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Watched the replay tonight.
Dusty saw Stanley poop himself and saw that handball coming a lightyear away. Went straight for it. Like taking candy from a baby :D
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A classic case of although being outnumbered, Dusty had them outclassed
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Dustys guernsey sold for $75k :o
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Dustys guernsey sold for $75k :o
2020 GRAND FINAL MATCH WORN GUERNSEY - #4 DUSTIN MARTIN
Winning Bid: $75,025.00
https://richmondfc.aflauctions.com.au/iSynApp/auctionDisplay.action?auctionId=3377823&pgcust1=&pgmode3=livebid&
:o
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That when you add the 11% commission and 10% GST
Comes to over $91k
:gobdrop
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Does it come with Dangers fingernails too?
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Does it come with Dangers fingernails too?
:cheers :cheers :bow :bow :snidegrin :snidegrin :gotigers :gotigers
GOLD
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Dusty's 2020 highlights reel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ekRk9YBIY
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'That' goal as seen from the crowd behind Dusty :thumbsup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVcMnyn-lZw
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Dustin Martin’s post-season Queensland party has now crossed codes.
Less than one month after he inspired Richmond to its third flag in four years at the Gabba, Martin was seen a further 4km north at Suncorp Stadium cheering on Queensland in the State of Origin decider.
The triple Norm Smith Medallist and superstar midfielder attended the game alongside high-profile DJ Paul Fisher, who was seen partying with a shirtless Martin last month as they led Richmond’s premiership celebrations.
Martin featured in several of Fisher’s Instagram story videos (https://www.instagram.com/stories/followthefishtv/2445013009869980752/?hl=en) throughout Wednesday night, with the duo watching the game from neat seats in the Suncorp Stadium grandstand.
Martin’s Tigers teammate Josh Caddy was also part of the group that attended the game, along with Gold Coast Titans veteran back-rower Kevin Proctor.
(https://www.foxsports.com.au/pmd/images/2020/11/19/790832_640x360_large_20201119134218.jpg)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-state-of-origin-2020-dustin-martin-party-at-suncorp-stadium-dj-paul-fisher-instagram/news-story/fd3494ddc1551306e1d0d845d089ce28
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Does it come with Dangers fingernails too?
LOL
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It's been four weeks since Dusty lit up the Gabba on his way to a third Norm Smith Medal 🏅🏅🏅
Relive the @Richmond_FC star's history-making performance now on #AFLOnDemand:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/524661/watch-in-on-demand-dusty-s-insane-grand-final-performance
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Power 100: Why Dustin Martin is Australia’s most marketable athlete
Michael Warner
HeraldSun
December 7, 2020
The tatts, the trademark mohawk and football genius make Richmond superstar Dustin Martin the most marketable athlete in the country, experts say.
With a “vibe” likened to English soccer legend David Beckham, Dusty is quietly building a multimillion-dollar endorsements empire.
The triple premiership Tiger has added Archies footwear to a stable that boasts Bonds underwear, Jeep, Voost vitamins and watchmaker Kennedy Luxury.
Martin, 29, will release his own fitness app and a second book next season, and is closing in on a lucrative new boot and runners contract.
A documentary tracking the rise of the kid from Castlemaine in country Victoria to the top of Australian sport is also due in 2024.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist comes in at No. 6 in a News Corp ranking of Australia’s 100 most powerful and influential sports industry figures.
UK-based Supernova Entertainment boss Richard Beck, who has worked with Guns N’ Roses, INXS and Bruce Springsteen, said Martin was on the radar of some international advertising agencies.
“Dustin is a super interesting case study of a big fish in a little pond that rightly on merit, deserves to swim in the wider ocean,” Beck said.
“I’ve followed not just his footy career, but the way his management team have brought showbiz acumen and sensibilities to his business and brand.
“He is unique enough of a talent and character to become whatever he wants and attain success previously unheard of.
“Healthy food, lifestyle accessories, cars, tech, sports products, you name it. They are all about to open up to him. He’s that marketable.”
Martin’s agent, Ralph Carr, said he believed his client was “not only one of the best players that has ever played the game, he is probably the most bankable sports brand in Australia”.
“Our research shows he has one of the most recognisable faces in the country and he is strong in all states, which is extraordinary,” Carr said.
“I always thought with the right support and guidance he would become Australia’s Michael Jordan or David Beckham.
“He has real reach, real sell-through and will have strong currency well after he retires.
“Brands need athletes just as much as athletes need brands. When they’re paired together by the magic of sports endorsement deals, both can make big money.
“Many people get inspired by athletes and end up doing great things on their own, and inspiration is not something which can be priced.”
Emily Small, general manager of brands at Hanes Brands Australasia (owner of Bonds), said the company’s partnership is “not just with Dustin the athlete, more the original and unique man he is off the field”.
“Dustin likes to collaborate and is always fully engaged whether it be a trick shot, photo shoots or running through Melbourne’s streets in his undies,” Small said.
Martin, who also has investments in property, is contracted to Richmond until the end of 2024 on a deal worth about $1.3 million a season.
Melbourne marketing expert John Tripodi, of Twenty3 Sport & Entertainment, said “there are a few dynamics at play which allow the likes of Dustin Martin to rise above the clutter”.
“First, it helps when you’re arguably the best player in the competition,” Tripodi said.
“The AFL is dominated by private school-educated footballers and Dusty represents a different narrative. He has his own backstory which provides some colour at times, but also gives him an authenticity which resonates with fans and sponsoring brands. Some may call this an ‘X-factor’.”
Yet despite his pulling power, Tripodi said there was still “somewhat of a ceiling that restricts an
AFL player’s earning capacity relative to other sports such as golf, cricket, tennis, F1 and European soccer”.
“The AFL is one of the most tightly regulated sports in the world where its clubs are governed by a salary cap and an ‘efficient’ collective bargaining agreement,” he said.
“The AFL’s business model is very strong relative to other codes, and part of that success is to ensure player salaries do not spiral out of control like we see in European football.
“Through the CBA, AFL players’ share of revenue approaches 30 per cent, while athletes in the US professional leagues share around 50 per cent of league revenues.
“Also, relative to other larger countries, the Australian marketplace for player endorsement deals is quite small. Footballers – whether AFL or NRL – featuring in national advertising campaigns for brands and companies are more infrequent than they are frequent.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sports/power-100-why-dustin-martin-is-australias-most-marketable-athlete/news-story/254dfcdd8015efd8b5619e86fd206c65
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None of this would have been possible if he had of signed with N0rt :lol
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None of this would have been possible if he had of signed with N0rt :lol
Yep. I thought the same thing.
So it’s not just us that breathed easy in hindsight....
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Dustin Martin organising trip to New Zealand to visit exiled father
Joey Riordan
7Sport
8 December 2020
AFL superstar Dustin Martin is trying to organise a trip to New Zealand to visit his exiled father Shane, according to Richmond CEO Brendon Gale.
The 29-year-old has turned his attention to family after enjoying a well-earned break in Queensland, following an AFL season in which he claimed an unprecedented third Norm Smith Medal and another premiership with the Tigers.
“He had a good break and he’s trying to organise to see his father,” Gale told 7NEWS’ Tom Browne.
“It’s important for him to have a really good break, his preparation is meticulous.
“For him it’s really important to take the foot off the gas.”
It is unclear on what grounds the Richmond star is aiming to enter New Zealand, given entry to the country is currently unavailable to all but Kiwi citizens and permanent residents.
There is however a provision for emergency entries to the country on compassionate grounds such as visiting a dying relative.
Dustin has been unable to see his father in 2020 due to the strict international travel restrictions brought about by COVID.
Shane is the former president of Australia’s Rebels motorcycle gang and was deported to New Zealand in 2016 under Australia’s Immigration Act after the country launched a crackdown on bikie gangs.
He watched on television from New Zealand back in October as Dusty scorched the Gabba turf to power Richmond to a third AFL premiership in the space of four years.
“We spoke to him after the game but as usual it’s all noisy, you can’t hear stuff, but you could hear how excited he was,” Shane told the NZ Herald.
“It’s pretty hard to see it on TV when I should be there, really, but that’s another story.
“It’s still a proud moment but I would have loved to be there, but yeah, you know, it is what it is, don’t want to take the moment away from it.”
The ex-bikie boss made headlines earlier in February 2020 when he attempted to Australia after a High Court decision ruled people of Indigenous heritage can’t be deported.
Martin claimed to have an Aboriginal grandmother from Tasmania.
But Border Force officers detained him at the airport overnight and he was put on the first Qantas flight to Auckland.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison praised the work of Border Force officials at the time.
“The border force took swift action today and good for them for doing their job,” he said.
Shane was first deported in 2016 after being convicted of serious offences including aggravated assault and drug trafficking.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-organising-trip-to-new-zealand-to-visit-exiled-father-c-1727514
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Dusty's 2020 highlight reel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ekRk9YBIY
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Whoever got the jumper better be getting some Dusty DNA samples and cloning us some father son picks, we can do a whip around with the tin so we can get the lab work done in China, they do some tweeks too I hear. Can get some glowing tats and sponsors logos built right in.
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Owl, as long as they don't accidently collect the DNA from Dangerfield's fingernails on the back of Dusty's jumper :lol.
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I dunno - as long as he didn't also inherit the finals choking, diving, goal kicking inaccuracy & flog genes, a Dustin Martin clone who could take overhead marks and defend would be fairly handy...... :shh
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MARK WILLIAMS’ PRE-GRAND FINAL MESSAGE TO DUSTIN MARTIN
By Alex Zaia
SEN
November 1, 2020
Mark Williams set Richmond superstar Dustin Martin a task in this year’s Grand Final against Geelong.
Williams messaged Martin on the Thursday before the Grand Final challenging him to kick a second-straight four-goal haul in a premiership decider.
Martin didn’t disappoint.
The 29-year-old’s four-goal performance saw him become the first player in VFL/AFL history to win three Norm Smith Medals as the Tigers defeated the Cats by 31 points to clinch their third flag in four years.
“I sent Dustin a message on the Thursday before hand and Dustin’s always been a player that likes a little carrot in front of him, so I gave him a target,” Williams told SEN’s Dwayne’s World.
“I said to him, ‘I reckon four goals will do you, mate’ and I’m sitting there thinking, ‘he’s got three, that’s not bad’ but then he delivered on the last one.
“I was delighted because when you’ve done everything you need to keep looking at what’s the next thing and he continually surprises everyone … a three-time Norm Smith Medallist.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/11/01/mark-williams-pre-grand-final-message-to-dustin-martin/
:lol
Is this moron trying to take more credit? :rollin
This guy is a narcissist. :shh
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Does it come with Dangers fingernails too?
:cheers :cheers :bow :bow :snidegrin :snidegrin :gotigers :gotigers
GOLD
:lol :clapping :clapping :clapping
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7news has got a story about Dusty packing a punch for next season.
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Non-story ::). It was just about Dusty being in the crowd at the boxing last night.
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Here we go....
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/integrity-concerns-as-afl-s-two-biggest-stars-dine-with-colourful-sydney-identity-20201217-p56oco.html
:shh
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Had the lobster apparently
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Story on both 7 & 9 news tonight.
AFL to contact both Richmond and Sydney to warn both playing groups. No suggestion Dusty or Buddy have done anything wrong.
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To warn the club's about protecting their image..
...despite still refusing to disclose their FA compo formula...
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I heard they were meeting this fellow to ask him if he could stop his nefarious ways and start acting like a normal law abiding citizen using his skills for good rather than evil. The law enforcement agencies are using both players to use their skills to persuade those involved in organised crime.
Franklin was very enthusiastic asking “pretty please, I will be your best friend!”
Dusty whipped out his three norm smiths and said, “it’s all mindfulness bro, just close your eyes, visualise it and it all will manifest for you!”
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I heard they were meeting this fellow to ask him if he could stop his nefarious ways and start acting like a normal law abiding citizen using his skills for good rather than evil. The law enforcement agencies are using both players to use their skills to persuade those involved in organised crime.
Franklin was very enthusiastic asking “pretty please, I will be your best friend!”
Dusty whipped out his three norm smiths and said, “it’s all mindfulness bro, just close your eyes, visualise it and it all will manifest for you!”
Then he whipped out the chop sticks and held them up next to the medals and said "your choice...plata o plomo"
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Dusty's GF performance ranked as the 4th biggest story in 2020.
4. Dusty's Grand Final greatness
Where Dustin Martin ranked among Australian football's greatest Grand Final performers was a popular debate in the lead-up to the 2020 decider. It was not up for debate following the Tigers' 31-point win against Geelong under lights at the Gabba. Martin elevated himself to an unmatched level of greatness, becoming the first player to win three Norm Smith Medals and spearheading his team's third premiership in four seasons. He is now undoubtedly the modern game's greatest finals performer and the stats speak for themselves. In 11 finals, Dusty has averaged 22.7 disposals and 2.3 goals. He had four goals and 21 disposals against Geelong, to go with a game-high nine score involvements and 457 metres gained (ranked No.2). None of Geelong's multiple plans to shut him down worked. It was fitting that two Legends in the Australian Football Hall of Fame, Leigh Matthews and Malcolm Blight, voted to award him a third Norm Smith Medal, with the 29-year-old a unanimous choice. His ability to lift and impose himself on the game, kicking goals and having an influence at critical moments was the defining quality of another thrilling Grand final performance.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/536958/the-top-50-biggest-stories-of-2020-5-1
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Clearly a future immortal. Is he better than Royce... who knows. History will judge.
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He’s Norm Smith medal games has seen him poll 43 of a possible maximum 45 votes.
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Dusty's footy smarts and his ability and strength to always remain on his feet sets him apart from everyone is the comp. It allows him to stay in contests when others go to ground. His goal in the third quarter of last year's GF was a perfect example. The ball coming in is allowed to bounce at HF and everyone else around it either falls over each other trying to reach it or ends up out of position while Dusty maintains his feet and just sweeps in and fires off the outside of his right boot in one motion for the bounced through goal.
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dustinlmartin facebook:
BaCk to BaCk🐯
This year has been tough for a lot of people, so I hope we brought some joy to your lives during this hard time.
Always remember to look after yourself and be there for one another. Friends, Family or Strangers 🙏🏼
Thank you to all the fans for the support this year, Cant wait to be back in front of the Vic fans at the G soon 🙌🏼 #BrOtHeRhOoD #PoSiTiVeViBeSoNlY
https://www.instagram.com/dustinlmartin/feed/?hl=en
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'I'm going to win at least 3 Norm Smith medals and 3 Flags for the Tigers when I grow up.' ;D
(https://scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/92818471_229116474848826_8159528540784589436_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=ZdFOKFIZd0EAX-nkBHK&tp=1&oh=74025438cdc055282f583463b42f1a39&oe=601D3C91)
https://www.instagram.com/davidastbury/?hl=en
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He looks like a Dustin. And he looked like a future Tiger immortal even then.
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He looks like a Dustin. And he looked like a future Tiger immortal even then.
Best in our lifetime Ramps?
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I was born 1970. Up till now I thought KB was the best id seen but Dusty has gone past him I reckon. Its hard coz KB was causing havoc way into his 30s, but Dustys body of work cant be denied.
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At least Dusty has a semi-sensible haircut. So he gets my vote.
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I was born 1970. Up till now I thought KB was the best id seen but Dusty has gone past him I reckon. Its hard coz KB was causing havoc way into his 30s, but Dustys body of work cant be denied.
Agreed.
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=1.Dusty
=1.Mathews
3.Ablett Sr
4.Carey.
5.KB
6.Franklin
7.MR sr
8.Ablett Jr
9.Richo
10.S.Madden
11.Diesel
12.Rance
13.Plugger
14..Judd
15. Flea
16.Voss
17.Hawkins
18.Cyril
19.Black
=20.Scarlett
=20.S.Burgoyne
:shh
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=1.Dusty
=1.Mathews
3.Ablett Sr
4.Carey.
5.KB
6.Franklin
7.MR sr
8.Ablett Jr
9.Richo
10.S.Madden
11.Diesel
12.Rance
13.Plugger
14..Judd
15. Flea
16.Voss
17.Hawkins
18.Cyril
19.Black
=20.Scarlett
=20.S.Burgoyne
:shh
Yep, don’t mind it.
I’d have Scarlo, Vossy and Diesel a bit higher but that’s a pretty damn good list Dio
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=1.Dusty
=1.Mathews
3.Ablett Sr
4.Carey.
5.KB
6.Franklin
7.MR sr
8.Ablett Jr
9.Richo
10.S.Madden
11.Diesel
12.Rance
13.Plugger
14..Judd
15. Flea
16.Voss
17.Hawkins
18.Cyril
19.Black
=20.Scarlett
=20.S.Burgoyne
:shh
Great list but no Andrew McLeod. I rate him easily in the top 10 players to play the game.
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Was toss up between him & Burgoyne....probably should've just put him in and made it a first 22...... :shh
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Was toss up between him & Burgoyne....probably should've just put him in and made it a first 22...... :shh
Yep, excellent effort Dio. Can't obviously see who would come out of your list for him but did you consider Hird (player version)?
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Hird, FIGJAM, Kouta, SOS, Rhys-Jones, Doull...even Wayne Johnson who I probably hated more than any other player... were all considered....as were Daicos, Steynes, Flower, Peter Matera, Cuz, Fyfe, Nick Riewoldt, Tim Watson, Long, Quinlan, Dempsey, Krakouer bros, Schimmelbusch, Garry Wilson, Riccuito..Knighter, Nathan Brown before he broke his leg, pretty much half the Hawthorn side of the 80's etc... :shh
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Hird, FIGJAM, Kouta, SOS, Rhys-Jones, Doull...even Wayne Johnson who I probably hated more than any other player... were all considered....as were Daicos, Steynes, Flower, Peter Matera, Cuz, Fyfe, Nick Riewoldt, Tim Watson, Long, Quinlan, Dempsey, Krakouer bros, Schimmelbusch, Garry Wilson, Riccuito..Knighter, Nathan Brown before he broke his leg, pretty much half the Hawthorn side of the 80's etc... :shh
Top list, Dio. Before Dusty came along I had Wayne Johnson as the best finals player I had seen.
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If we're talking finals then it would be Martin, Johnson, Ayers - KB '80 was the best singe finals series performance I saw until Martin '19 . . :shh
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If we're talking finals then it would be Martin, Johnson, Ayers - KB '80 was the best singe finals series performance I saw until Martin '19 . . :shh
I would also add Darren Jarman (when at Adelaide especially in 1997).
KB possibly would have more than one Norm Smith if they existed before 1979. Best in 1973 and would have been also in the running for 1969 along with Barrot and Sheedy. Barrot was BOG in 1967 and Sheedy was BOG in 1974.
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Andy Mcleod.
Ablett’s ‘89 series was sublime with 27 goals but he didn’t do much after that in finals
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Neo Japanese style Dusty illustration
(https://instagram.fmel11-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/e35/139384856_1068647960286845_1306174569776697014_n.jpg?_nc_ht=instagram.fmel11-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=KzBdpngZHvwAX_lOg_z&tp=1&oh=363a584672b59dc23751f9f5cbf419ca&oe=602B87F4)
https://www.instagram.com/realizm_au/?hl=en
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Another slow news day.
AFL star Dustin Martin divides fans as he proudly shows off his VERY questionable footwear in an edgy mirror selfie
By Chloe-Lee Longhetti
Daily Mail Australia
5 February 2021
AFL star Dustin Martin showed off his edgy and eclectic style on Thursday.
The 29-year-old posed up for a mirror selfie in his walk-in wardrobe and modelled his outfit for the day.
But his post quickly divided fans, thanks to his rather bizarre choice of footwear.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/04/23/38900964-9225317-image-a-11_1612481460324.jpg)
What do YOU think? AFL star Dustin Martin divided fans on Thursday when he proudly showed off his VERY questionable footwear in an edgy mirror selfie
The Richmond Tigers star was wearing a pair of white socks paired with white thongs and the bizarre combination caused a stir among his followers.
'No Dusty, no! Thongs and socks! No!!!!!' one remarked.
'But socks with sandals???' another said, while one user added, 'WTF?'
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/04/23/38900950-9225317-image-m-18_1612481969790.jpg)
Just no: The Richmond Tigers star was wearing a pair of white socks paired with white thongs and the bizarre combination caused a stir among his followers
But one user loved the look, remarking: 'Bringing back socks and thongs,' adding the '100' emoji.
'Comfy szn (sic),' Dustin wrote as he promoted his new partnership with the footwear brand, Archies Footwear.
'They have heaps of cool colours and are super comfortable, but most of all they are really good for your body,' he added.
The brand is known for their 'arch support' thongs.
Dustin is one of the most prolific players in the AFL.
Hailing from Castlemaine in Victoria, Dustin made his big AFL debut in 2010 and has won three premierships with the Tigers. He also won the Brownlow Medal in 2017.
He made headlines in 2019 when he famously ditched his car at the Melbourne Cricket Ground car park for 65 days while celebrating Richmond's 2019 grand final win.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9225317/Dustin-Martin-divides-fans-proudly-shows-questionable-footwear.html
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Dustin Martin showing no signs of slowing down after enjoying another outstanding pre-season
By JAY CLARK
NEWS CORP AUSTRALIA
FEBRUARY 8, 2021
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin will start the season in excellent condition after showing on the training track this summer he was hungry for more success.
And even as Martin prepares to turn 30 this year, Burge said the champion ballwinner had enjoyed another outstanding pre-season campaign and was showing no signs of slowing down.
“He’s been pretty impressive, ‘Dusty’,” Burge said.
“He would hate for me to be talking him up, but for someone who has achieved so much in the past few years you could excuse someone maybe for just taking their foot off the pedal.
“But he has done the opposite.
“He doesn’t miss training, he is always looking to do more, and he’s just really impressive.”
Martin, 29, cemented his reputation as one of the greatest big game players in AFL history in the Tigers’ third premiership win in four years, taking out his third Norm Smith Medal.
Burge said even after a decent session on Monday at Punt Rd Oval, Martin was keen to do more.
“He asked me afterwards if he could do a (extra) fartlek (interval running) session,” Burge said.
“I said ‘Mate you don’t need to do it today, you’ve got a pretty heavy session coming up’, but quite often he will do something anyway because he likes to maintain that high standard.
“He’s older and he’s more mature and he really enjoys being around his teammates given COVID and all of the restrictions.
“He gets a real lift coming in to the club and training. It’s his outlet and he loves it.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2021-dustin-martin-showing-no-signs-of-slowing-down-after-enjoying-another-outstanding-preseason/news-story/637ea413eb17dfab6a494fbd091266a7
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Andy Mcleod.
Ablett’s ‘89 series was sublime with 27 goals but he didn’t do much after that in finals
Lol so his 16 goals averaging 4.0 a game in 92 and 16 goals in 94 averaging 4.0 a game is just to be ignored yep Ablett was a real spud.
In his 16 finals games he played in he averaged 4.0 a game.
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Yeah forgot about Senior - was sticking with blokes who won flags, his '89 series was probably third best behind Dusty '19 & KB '80 and only just because the team didn't get the chocolates in the end...his other finals series were pretty damn awesome too if you don't include the GFs.. :shh
Thought Jarman should've won the Norm Smith in '97... :shh :shh
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Andy Mcleod.
Ablett’s ‘89 series was sublime with 27 goals but he didn’t do much after that in finals
Lol so his 16 goals averaging 4.0 a game in 92 and 16 goals in 94 averaging 4.0 a game is just to be ignored yep Ablett was a real spud.
In his 16 finals games he played in he averaged 4.0 a game.
He kicked 27 goals in the 1989 finals series and another 37 across all other finals campaigns. I think my point still stands.
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Andy Mcleod.
Ablett’s ‘89 series was sublime with 27 goals but he didn’t do much after that in finals
Lol so his 16 goals averaging 4.0 a game in 92 and 16 goals in 94 averaging 4.0 a game is just to be ignored yep Ablett was a real spud.
In his 16 finals games he played in he averaged 4.0 a game.
All that for how many flags?
He may have kicked goals but did he truly influence games the way Dusty does?
He kicked 27 goals in the 1989 finals series and another 37 across all other finals campaigns. I think my point still stands.
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He was generally ineffective in finals (or GF’s) that were on the line. Even his 4 goal effort to get them into the ‘94 GF. He virtually didn’t touch the ball outside of those 4 kicks.
If GA Senior was a Tiger player- he would call him a down skill skier that crumbled under the pressure when it mattered .... in big finals and Granny’s
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Andy Mcleod.
Ablett’s ‘89 series was sublime with 27 goals but he didn’t do much after that in finals
Lol so his 16 goals averaging 4.0 a game in 92 and 16 goals in 94 averaging 4.0 a game is just to be ignored yep Ablett was a real spud.
In his 16 finals games he played in he averaged 4.0 a game.
What point, that you are totally blinkered when it comes to opposition players.
Take out 89 he still averaged 4 goals a game in finals.
Take out his high of 9 in the 89 g/f and his low of 0 in the 91 e/f and he still averages 4 goals a game. but apparently in your book he was no good that is freakin hilarious.
Here is a bit of perspective for ya. Our very own Jack Riewoldt has played 15 finals for 30 goals at an average of 2.
He kicked 27 goals in the 1989 finals series and another 37 across all other finals campaigns. I think my point still stands.
Talk about a blinkered one eyed feral. What is the point in even debating opposition players if you think Ablett was a spud they all must be duds except our own .
Take out the 89 finals he still averages 3.1 goals a game in finals. i think every single coach in the comp would take that in a heartbeat.
Take out his best haul of 9 goals in 89 g/f and his worst game 0 goals in the 91 e/f and he still averages 4 goals a final
Heres a bit of perspective for ya. Our own Jack Riewoldt has played in 15 finals for a whopping 30 goals averaging two goals a game that must make him a super dud by your thinking. Fmd Ablett almost kicked that amount in one go but hey hes an overrated dud according to you.
Ablett averaged more goals a game in finals than Carey, Dunstall and Lockett lockett also kicked 9 in a final in 91.
Sometimes as supporters id suggest we take the blinkers off.
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This is real and actually scary: Why Dusty could be even better in 2021
If you think the Richmond gun is satisfied with an already stacked CV, think again
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
21 February 2021
Not content with a brilliant four-season era that has seen him clinch three premierships, a historic three Norm Smith Medals, a Brownlow Medal and three All-Australian jumpers, the Richmond superstar is intent on getting even better after what coach Damien Hardwick describes as an "incredible" pre-season.
But the Tigers do have two injury concerns heading into the home and away season, with key players Bachar Houli (calf) set to miss round one and Dion Prestia (hamstring) racing the clock to face Carlton on March 18.
Martin, though, is on track to continue his outstanding stint as the competition's preeminent matchwinner, with Hardwick saying he had blitzed the pre-season with a focus on improving his fitness.
"I'm worried he's too far ahead. He's training that well at the moment. He's been incredible," Hardwick told AFL.com.au.
"He's one of these guys who surprises me every year, Dustin. You generally think of the superstars of the competition that they come in and they do what they do, but there's a reason they're superstars.
"They generally work harder and are better at things that other players aren't, and he tries to improve one part of his game every year. This year I think he's taken on some noticeable improvement in his fitness. He's trying to improve that part of his game and he's training really, really well at the moment.
"I couldn't be happier with where he's at. Like I said, I'm worried he's too far ahead of the game. I've got to slow him down a little bit because he's his own worst enemy with how he works."
Martin booted four goals in a game-changing display in last year's Toyota AFL Grand Final win over Geelong, tallying 22 for the season, and will continue to float between the midfield and forward line this season, according to Hardwick.
"Dustin is the best coach of himself. He knows where the team needs him at certain times of the game and where he's of best benefit and we give him that licence, as we do the majority of our players. On the ground they get to make the decisions," Hardwick said.
The 29-year-old Martin is due to play his 250th game for the Tigers early this season and has played 20 or more games in each of his 11 AFL seasons. But Hardwick said he had no trouble motivating Martin, whose mega contract runs to the end of 2024, to go again.
"He loves the game. I hate saying this, but he loves winning. I've never met a guy that loves winning so much. After every game it's always like he's won the Grand Final. It's so impressive to see that the game can mean so much to one person," the three-time flag coach said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/550654/can-dusty-get-even-better-superstar-primed-after-incredible-pre-season
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American NFL fan reacting to a "Decade of Dusty" highlights package.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CSddvvyU310/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSddvvyU310)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSddvvyU310
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OVER/UNDER: Dustin Martin to play 400 games
Kane Cornes says: Under
“He’s going to go close, but I don’t think he’ll get to 400, Dusty. There’s four 400 game players in the history of the game.
“He’s 29, he’s got 244 games. If he plays for eight more years until he’s 38 (as his manager Ralph Carr suggested he could), that’s 20 games a year, we’ll give him a couple off for injury, it’s borderline.
“I don’t think Dusty will get there, but perhaps 375 games will be a good number for what is going to be an unbelievable career.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/26/kanes-over-unders-north-melbourne-adam-saad-tony-jones-and-more/
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325 or so max
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Quality over quantity. He did more with his current game tally than fletcher and Harvey did.
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Don’t underestimate just how good Fletcher was
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I reckon with a bit of luck and continued maturity ..... Dusty can play another 5-6 years.
He can spend more time up forward say in 2-3 years time like Lethal and just slot snacks from a pocket.
Will comfortably get to 350.
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Don’t underestimate just how good Fletcher was
He was good! But his 400 games couldn’t hold a candle to Dusty’s career to date.
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“HE’S A GREAT LAD”: STORM STAR REVEALS ADMIRATION FOR TIGERS CHAMPION
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
9 March 2021
Cameron Munster admits he would love to learn a bit more from AFL champion Dustin Martin.
The Melbourne Storm star recently spent time with the Richmond gun while shooting a Kayo ad with Anthony Hudson.
Munster and the triple premiership hero have an existing friendship but the Queensland Origin rep admits it remains a “pretty daunting” task to rub shoulders with such a superstar.
“Me and Dusty get along very well actually,” he said on SEN’s Whateley.
“I’ve known him for a couple of years now, we hang out every now and then. He’s a great lad.
“Rubbing shoulders with one of the best AFL players who has won three Norm Smiths is pretty daunting, but I just admire the way he goes about his business on and off the field.
“That’s why he’s one of the best quality players in this generation.”
Munster says he would love to swap more notes with Martin in regards to his customary ‘don’t argues’ as well as his overall preparation, particularly for big matches.
“I want to know how to palm like him, that’s for sure!” he laughed.
“Just picking his brain on what he does, how he prepares, because the way he plays in big matches I admire. It’s a bit of a shock to see how well he goes in big games.
“That’s why he’s the most sought player in the AFL. He plays big games and big minutes.
“I’ll make sure when I hang out with him next time that I’ll pick his brain even more.”
Munster and Martin helped guide their respective NRL and AFL sides to premierships in 2020, playing key roles on Grand Final night with the latter starring to claim an unprecedented third Norm Smith Medal for the Tigers.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/09/hes-a-great-lad-storm-star-reveals-admiration-for-tigers-champion/
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Kane Cornes also said that specific [tackling] tactics against Richmond gun Dustin Martin were deployed in his time at Port Adelaide.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/10/afl-club-deployed-unique-tackling-tactic-against-joel-selwood/
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Kane Cornes also said that specific [tackling] tactics against Richmond gun Dustin Martin were deployed in his time at Port Adelaide.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/10/afl-club-deployed-unique-tackling-tactic-against-joel-selwood/
Good work Kane .. made all the difference lol
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Martin will finish in top 10 greatest players: Brown
Jake Niall
The Age
March 16, 2021
Dustin Martin will one day be ranked among the top 10 Australian rules footballers to have played the game, ex-Brisbane Lions champion Jonathan Brown says.
“Martin will, I think, clearly go down as [one of] the top 10 greatest players in the history of our game, absolutely,” Brown, a Fox Footy commentator and one of the AFL’s greatest key forwards, told The Age.
Brown said Martin was up in the company of Leigh Matthews, his former coach who won eight best and fairests at Hawthorn, four flags and booted 915 goals as a small forward/rover.
Brown said Martin’s presence gave Richmond confidence. “When you’ve got 150 years’ history of the game and you’ve got a bloke who delivers on the big stage time and time again, that gives you some confidence,” he said.
Asked if the Tigers would have won any of their three flags from 2017 without Martin, Brown said: “They might have. They certainly wouldn’t have won last year without him.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/martin-will-finish-in-top-10-greatest-players-brown-20210315-p57aym.html
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Pfft Top 10...he'll be added to the Matthews v Carey convo.... :shh
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Pfft Top 10...he'll be added to the Matthews v Carey convo.... :shh
Nah that convo will still go on...it will become the who is the second best player after Dusty
You know it makes sense
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:shh :shh
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Hardwick warned that Dustin Martin, who has put an emphasis on health and defensive operating throughout the pre-season, will attain one other degree this year.
“He’s had an incredible pre-season,” Hardwick mentioned. “I say it every year, but the reason he’s one of the best players in the competition, he’s self-driven and he tries to improve some facet of his game every year. He’s a wonderful player, he’s very easy to coach. His fitness work this year has been phenomenal.”
https://au.newschant.com/sports/richmond-tigers-coach-damien-hardwick-says-stop-blaming-coaches-for-ruining-the-game/
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Dusty’s dream: I want dad there for Tiges’ next flag
Dustin Martin would love for his dad, Shane, to see him win a grand final in person.
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has revealed he’s still hopeful his father, Shane, will one day be present at the MCG to see him win another premiership.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-tigers-afl-news-damien-hardwick-says-his-side-is-hungrier-than-ever-entering-2021-season/news-story/85a981598a6913aeb78bf89a5eee8812
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RFC need to get him back so he wins the norm smith Brownlow and dominates at grand final again
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Riewoldt: The Dusty-inspired new position set to take competition by storm.
Dustin Martin is the AFL’s striker.
Nick Riewoldt
Fox Sports
March 17th, 2021 5:57 pm
For so long, the rockstars of the AFL were the centre-half-forwards. Carey, Brereton, Kernahan, Brown were the players that dictated the game.
Not anymore.
Right now, we’re seeing a new position evolve that every club is trying to create – the ‘striker’.
Like in the world game, football ‘strikers’ are the most damaging players in the team, placed in the most damaging part of the ground – striking distance from goal.
In the AFL this position requires a powerful, physical player who can dominate one-on-one – both in the air and on the ground. They’re then deployed forward of centre to ensure maximum damage with their possession.
On the Couch on Monday I put the centre-half-forwards on notice – the strikers have usurped you as the poster boys of the competition.
The archetypal striker is easy to see… he’s the only bloke who’s won three Norm Smiths.
Dustin Martin is the definition of a striker. His aim is to do as much damage in the forward half as he can. If that means crashing through stoppages in the midfield, that’s what he’ll do. If it means bullying his smaller opponent deep forward, he can do that too.
Look at where Dusty has got his possessions since 2018:
– 64 per cent in the front half
– Two per cent in the defensive 50
Dusty won’t follow the ball into the Tigers’ backline, he’ll drift forward – often counterintuitively away from the footy – to make sure he’s in position when it’s time to land the knockout punch. That could be breaking the 50m arc on the run, or being one-on-one in the goal square.
He masquerades as a midfielder – he was in 72 per cent of Richmond’s centre bounces over the last three years – but from there he’s a pure striker. He has licence to put himself where he needs to be to win games.
Very few players get carte blanche from their coaches to go outside of the ‘system’ of team defence and structure – but the chaos they can create with self-appointed moves can single-handedly swing games.
With reduced rotations they are on the ground longer. They might be resting forward, but the opposition isn’t, their sheer presence enough to keep the heart rate of any defender elevated.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-dustin-martin-nick-riewoldt-striker-afl-forwards-attacking-half-players-statistics-fox-footy/news-story/8efdde340200223e5d5cf0aa6da41087
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In a rare TV interview, Dustin Martin says he’s ‘obsessed’ with becoming the best athlete.
Martin says he’s never been more in love with footy.
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
March 17th, 2021
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin says he’s never been more in love with footy and that his best is still ahead of him, revealing he’s become “obsessed with the process” behind being the best athlete and person possible.
Martin enters 2021 having already achieved so much and boasting one of the great AFL CVs: Three premierships, three Norm Smith medals, a Brownlow Medal, an AFLPA MVP, four All-Australians and two best and fairests.
But in a rare one-on-one interview with St Kilda champion and Fox Footy pundit Nick Riewoldt, which will air on Fox Footy on Wednesday night, Martin said his motivation to achieve success and enjoyment for playing had never been greater.
“To be honest I feel like a little kid again, playing me first game Under 12s,” Martin said on Fox Footy’s Nick & Dusty – One On One, which will air at 8.30pm (AEDT) on Wednesday night.
“You’d rock up to the footy in your full kit with boots on and everything.
“For whatever reason, the older I’m getting the more I’m loving the game.”
Asked by Riewoldt if he felt like he still had his best footy ahead of him, Martin said: “Yeah definitely. I’ve never loved the game more than I do now. I’m obsessed with the process behind being the best athlete and person I can be.
“There is going to be ups and downs along the way, but I’m super excited to continue the journey with the rest of my teammates.”
Many pundits believe Martin has become the greatest finals player in VFL/AFL history due to his ability to deliver in big moments on the big stage. That’s evident by his three Norm Smith medals, as well as three Gary Ayres awards for best finals player.
Brownlow Medallist Gerard Healy on Fox Footy’s On The Couch said Martin could be the greatest player of the century so far, putting him in the same category as Geelong legend Gary Ablett and Sydney superstar Lance Franklin.
Asked by Riewoldt if he felt “unstoppable” at times on the footy field, Martin said: “I’ve got a lot of self-belief and that’s what you play the game for, in those pressure moments. I’ve been practising stuff like that in the backyard when I was five or six.
“That’s why you play the game for those big moments and to step up when your team needs you. I just love it.”
Riewoldt said he came away from the interview even more convinced that Richmond is hungrier and more determined to capture a fourth flag in five years.
“You speak about ‘are Richmond going to fall away, are they going to drop off, are they going to lose motivation’ – well I don’t think they are. Because if there’s any player in any sport at the moment that might be entitled to have a fully belly, it’s Dustin Martin,” Riewoldt told Fox Footy’s On The Couch.
“I was fortunate enough to sit down with him and he doesn’t sound like a player that’s ready to quit.
“Because he doesn’t do a lot of interviews, everything he said to me felt really authentic.
“Without giving too much away, I think there was a period in his career where he thought it was cool not to be a ‘footy head’. But now he’s embraced all of the extras.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-dustin-martin-interview-fox-footy-time-obsessed-with-becoming-best-player-and-person-nick-riewoldt/news-story/0ba29558115531b0e0c59245f4cfb2ba
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‘It had obviously been a big couple of weeks’: The moment Dusty hit pause on the party
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
March 18th, 2021 12:53 pm
He’s one of the greatest – now, arguably, the greatest – AFL player since the turn of the century.
And on Wednesday night, St Kilda champion Nick Riewoldt and Fox Footy viewers were given a rare insight into Richmond superstar Dustin Martin and his love for the game, the Tigers and his family.
From the off-field sacrifices he’s made for on-field success, the tribute that left him emotional, his favourite AFLW player and his “dream” to win a flag with his dad in the grandstand, these were the best moments of Fox Footy’s Nick & Dusty – One On One.
THE HARDSHIPS OF 2020
As many AFL players have attested to, Martin at times struggled throughout the 2020 season where he spent so much time inside a Queensland hotel room.
But the Brownlow Medallist said he always tried to keep perspective of the situation after relocating from Melbourne.
“To be honest, I had (tough) moments where I was stuck in a hotel and we couldn’t leave, but I just kept coming back to how grateful I am to go out there every week and play the game that I love. Just to sit in that space of gratitude and appreciation to be able to do what you love,” Martin told Fox Footy.
“Not being able to do anything, you pretty much just sat in a hotel, but we made it fun … We knew that people back in Victoria were doing it extremely tough, so we didn’t have it too bad. It just ended up being like a school camp, we all love being around each other, there were so many funny and fun moments. It’s certainly a year that we’ll always remember and be grateful for.”
Martin would, again, play a key role in Richmond’s third premiership triumph. Not only would he win a third Norm Smith Medal, he’d take out the Gary Ayres Medal for the AFL Coaches’ Association’s best finals player, solidifying his reputation as one of the AFL’s greatest big-game players ever.
Martin stayed in Queensland for several weeks after the Tigers’ triumph. And after a few weeks of celebrating, he found himself reflecting on the feats he and his club had achieved.
“It’s funny, life moves so fast and I think it’s super important to sit down and reflect on those things,” he said
“I remember I was on the Goldy (Gold Coast) after the Grand Final probably three weeks after the game – it’d obviously been a big couple of weeks celebrating – and I just went and sat out on the balcony. I just took a moment to reflect on it and ring a few people from the club, send out a few texts.
“(The texts were) just like ‘can you believe it’. There’s just a lot of love and thanking certain people and reaching out to teammates saying: ‘Can you believe what we just did, how special was that?’”
EARLY LIFE AND FAMILY ‘DREAM’
Martin grew up in Yapeen – a small town just south of Castlemaine – and was drafted to Richmond in 2009 out of the Bendigo Pioneers.
While he has yellow and black blood pumping through his veins now, he was a mad St Kilda supporter as a kid.
As a young Saints fan, he idolised legendary midfielders Robert Harvey and Lenny Hayes, while he also had great admiration for Geelong skipper – and fellow Bendigo Pioneers product – Joel Selwood.
That led to some bold draft night comes from Martin.
“My manager at the time, me being a young kid from the bush, he said ‘if you get asked this, just say this’,” Martin said.
“I remember I said I ‘play a bit like Joel Selwood and Lenny Hayes but with better skills’ – and I remember playing against the Saints that year and they sure let me know about it.”
Martin also opened up on his “dream” of having his father attend another Grand Final win at the MCG.
The 29-year-old’s father Shane was deported to New Zealand in 2016 under Australia’s Immigration Act on the grounds of bad character, as the country launched a fresh crackdown on bikie gangs.
But Martin said he still held hopes his dad could see him play live in a Grand Final before his career is over.
“It’s been a massive challenge, but it is what it is,” he said.
“I love my dad and he’s made me the man I am today. I’ve got full belief he’ll back here to watch us win another flag.
“That’s my dream to be able to have the old man up there (in the grandstand) with the rest of my family and watch the Tiges win another flag.”
‘IT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT EMOTIONAL’
Martin is not only one of the game’s most celebrated and recognised figures, but he has also won universal respect for his on-field ability and consistency.
No doubt more importantly for Martin, he’s also one of the most respected players and leaders internally at the Tigers.
Teammates Jack Riewoldt last week gave Martin a wonderful endorsement, as both a player and a person.
“I’m really proud of who he’s become,” Jack Riewoldt told Fox Footy’s One Night In Brisbane last week. “The growth in him as a person and a mate, I couldn’t be more proud of what he’s done and it’s reflective on who we’re going to see going forward as well.
“I know that he will value how important he is from a vice-captain’s point of view, from a captain’s point of view and from a coach’s point of view and how much we actually lean on him. I think he’s starting to get a bit of a grasp on how important he is, not only as a player but as a cultural figure of Richmond.
“The key to his success is inner belief and the fact he’s happy to be unique and he knows what he’s good at. He will get everything he deserves post-footy with the accolades. He’s a great person and a great leader.”
Martin was shown video of Riewoldt’s comments during his interview this week.
“It makes me a little bit emotional,” a humbled Martin said when responding to Riewoldt.
“I love Jack and to be honest I love the footy club and everyone in there. I love going in there, the culture we’ve got at the footy club from the top down – it’s a really special place to be. I’m beyond grateful to be part of that.
WHEN DUSTY BECAME A SUPERSTAR
Before entering the greatest modern-day player conversation, Martin was a gun midfielder that racked up a lot of the ball. But he wasn’t the same game-breaking, premiership-turning player the footy world sees him as today.
He was also part of a club that had been starved of success for decades.
But Richmond’s resurgence coincided with Martin’s emergence as a superstar.
He said there wasn’t one moment or turning point that prompted his rise, but rather he “found a better balance in my life”.
“It took me a lot longer to grow up then everyone else,” he said.
“The first part of your career, you’re just happy to be on an AFL list and go out and muck around. But I think it just comes with age.
“I thought ‘I’ve got a really good opportunity here, I don’t want to have any regrets when I get to the end of my career ‘. So I’m just making sure I put my best foot forward to get the most out of it.”
Asked what he’d specifically changed, Martin said with a cheeky smile: “Probably going out less … nah it’s a bit of everything. You don’t want to party too hard because it might take away some energy to be at your best, not just in a football sense but be the best in your life. If you’re going out too much, I don’t have the energy to be able to be the best leader at the footy club.
“There’s a bit of that and finding things that work for me and things that make me happy.”
Martin said he’d placed a big emphasis on mindfulness – for footy is “just as much a mental game as it is a physical game”.
“I just focus on becoming calm and coming back to what makes me great and not worrying about any other distractions outside of the footy field,” he said.
“There’s so many things that can go on in your head, but when you just come back into the moment, that’s when you play your best footy.”
Martin also said he was now appreciating the game more and found himself watching more matches than the early stages of his AFL career.
“I was probably one of those blokes where it was uncool to watch footy, so I was like ‘nah I hate watching footy’. But the older I’m getting, the more I love watching the footy,” he said.
“I’ve been really getting into our girls side – it was good to see them have their first win the other week.”
Asked who his favourite AFLW player was, Martin said: “Ellie McKenzie, she’s our No. 1 pick. She’s a jet.”
LIFE AFTER FOOTY
Upon being drafted by Richmond, Martin quickly adapted to the city lifestyle.
But he now appreciates the country lifestyle more, hence why he enjoys escaping Melbourne “as much as I can and get a little break”.
“It’s funny, I used to hate getting back into the country, but I’ve done a bit of a 180 and I really enjoy getting back out there and enjoying the simple country life,” he said.
“I was getting around in my cowboy hat the other day, so that was good fun.”
Asked if he had any plans for life after footy, Martin said: “It’s a tricky question and something that you get asked a lot. I’m still trying to find my way and what other passions I’ve got outside of the game.
“I’ll just keep playing around with different things and I’m sure something will come to me at the right time.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-dustin-martin-tv-interview-with-fox-footy-nick-riewoldt-dad-shane-martin-aflw-ellie-mckenzie-gold-coast-party/news-story/1bc56e29cf06935573ad3d816b89ea75
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Dusty highlights from last night:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2021/03/18/be5c3374-5259-4a06-8271-b91bda8a8215/Ona7ECR6.jpg?width=1200&height=630) (https://www.afl.com.au/video/564474/new-year-same-old-dusty)
https://www.afl.com.au/video/564474/new-year-same-old-dusty
31 disposals (19k, 12h, 14c, 16u, 67.6% eff.)
7 marks ( 2 contested )
4 tackles
5 clearances ( 2 centre clearances )
8 inside 50s
2 intercepts
619 metres gained
12 scoring involvements
4 goal assists
2 goals
:bow :bow :bow
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His defensive efforts last night were the best iv seen from him since 2017. Just an all round masterclass performance really.
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Kane 'regurgitate old material' Cornes. Said the same thing about Port and Hinkley after the Prelim last year.
CORNES CRITICISES CARLTON’S LACK OF PLAN FOR TIGERS STAR MARTIN
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
19 March 2019
Kane Cornes has questioned Carlton’s lack of planning for Richmond champion Dustin Martin.
The three-time Norm Smith Medallist drove the Tigers to a 25-point win in Thursday night’s season opener at the MCG with 31 disposals, two goals, 12 score involvements, eight inside 50s and four goal assists.
Martin appeared to do as he pleased throughout the night which prompted Cornes, who played on some of the game’s very best midfielders, to suggest that he has the opposition “spooked”.
Cornes also wondered what Blues coach David Teague and his staff were doing in failing to instruct any of their players to place any semblance of pressure on the Tigers star.
“One thing I’ve learnt is Dustin Martin has the competition absolutely spooked,” he said on SEN’s The Captain’s Run.
“I’ve never seen a player in the history of the game that the opposition is as petrified of.
“He did it again last night.
“No plan, nothing. Nothing to curtail the best player that we are going to see in the last 100 years.
“How in the world can the player of the century, a three-time Norm Smith Medallist, take an uncontested chest mark 10 metres out from goal with not one Carlton player anywhere near him?
“How can the best match-up deep be Adam Saad? How can that possibly happen when you have a coach who is getting paid $6-700,000, he’s got 10 assistant coaches, and you’ve got 40 full-time athletes that did not have a plan for Dustin Martin.
“Why would you not at least try to take away the opposition’s biggest weapon?”
Cornes continued, indicating that a lack of plan from Teague and the Blues allowed Martin to roam free and essentially win the game for the reigning premiers.
“He was the difference last night and if Carlton miss the finals by one game, it might just cost someone their job,” he added.
“He’s brilliant, he’s thrilling, he was the story for me last night. He looks hungry, he looks fit, but it’s all too hard for the opposition.
“‘Teaguey’, I don’t know what you did for the last four months. You knew you were playing Richmond in Round 1. You didn’t have a plan.
“You cannot honestly sit here and tell me you had a plan to take away the opposition’s biggest weapon who was again the difference.
“We’ll wait and see what happens for the rest of the year. I’m not suggesting there is room for the old-fashioned tagger, but you need a plan and the opposition do not have one for Dustin Martin.
“You had all pre-season to come up with a plan for Dustin Martin and you served up that. You served up nothing Teaguey.
“I like you Teaguey but you served up nothing last night.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/18/cornes-criticises-carltons-lack-of-plan-for-tigers-star-martin/
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How Dusty has changed other teams’ thinking
Jake Niall
The Age
March 21, 2021
Having transformed himself and then the Richmond Football Club, Dustin Martin has reached that rarefied position of a player who is influencing the thinking and strategy of rival clubs.
The best individuals can open new possibilities, even in team sports. Shane Warne revived the ailing art of leg spin, while Don Bradman was so unstoppable that the ungentlemanly English devised a fast-bowling tactic aimed squarely at curtailing him: Bodyline.
In Australian football, an obvious game-changer was Graham “Polly” Farmer, who revolutionised the use of handball as an offensive weapon.
Peter Hudson’s uncanny talents one-out were such that his coach, Hawthorn godfather John Kennedy, created a tactic of isolating Huddo and cramming everyone else upfield; this eventually led to the creation of the centre diamond, which morphed into the centre square.
Kevin Bartlett’s trick of releasing the ball, dribbling or bouncing it as he was tackled, led to a rule change or “reinterpretation” that effectively banned KB’s sleight of hand. Wayne Carey was the co-author, with his coach, of “Pagan’s Paddock” – an upgraded version of what Kennedy did with Hudson, except that the space was behind the champion forward.
Dusty is the supremely influential player of today, a reality underscored yet again on Thursday night when the Blues might well have won had Martin not been there, or if Carlton had an opponent capable of subduing him.
Geelong can say the same about the grand final. Ditto for Port Adelaide from the preliminary final.
Martin’s influence is evident today in the question that several clubs are posing to themselves about the deployment of their most dangerous players. Geelong and Melbourne took different approaches with their guns last year: Patrick Dangerfield was stationed in attack more frequently, like Dusty, while the Dees handed Christian Petracca more time in the middle.
In Jordan De Goey, Collingwood too have a player with some Martin traits (not simply an abundance of ink), albeit De Goey – and all the others – don’t have Dusty’s package; De Goey’s application has not been at Dusty’s standard as yet, nor has he been as durable.
Model citizens Marcus Bontempelli and Patrick Cripps are very different players and people to Martin, but their talents are such that their coaches have considered whether they also can be isolated in the scoring territory.
Getting full value out of Bont’s disposals represents a quandary now that the Bulldogs have probably the most stacked midfield in the competition. He can mark overhead and kick a goal, but his modus operandi isn’t that of a natural forward – Bontempelli is a classic architect, who sees the field in front of him and makes brilliant decisions, in the mould of Luke Hodge and Scott Pendlebury.
It’s conceivable that the Dogs would be best to use him sometimes behind the ball, given their defensive weakness.
Carlton don’t have the Dogs’ depth in the middle, so 195cm Cripps – even if he could pluck a mark and snag a goal or hand one off – is sorely needed on the ball. Besides, Cripps doesn’t have the leg speed to get away from a defender or anything resembling Dusty’s forward craft.
The Demons, meanwhile, have essentially decided that Petracca is their Dusty. Yet it was an increase in midfield minutes in 2020, rather than more time forward, that elevated him. Petracca was the best one-on-one forward, statistically, in the competition.
Nat Fyfe, like Cripps, has toiled largely in the midfield for Fremantle. On Saturday there was a shift: Fyfe was 40 per cent forward and 60 per cent mid, while Petracca was about 30/70. In the last quarter, when the game was most in the balance, Fyfe was sent almost entirely to the midfield, as Petracca went forward.
If Martin is almost universally regarded as the best individual player in the AFL, it should be recognised that the Tigers have fully weaponised his talents by a) getting him to play largely forward, b) not asking him to spend his energy running back to defend (the map of his disposals shows he gets none in the back half), and c) by having him in a very good team that has Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt.
The better the team, the easier it will be for the coach to send his trump-card midfielder forward, since there will always be a tricky trade-off between getting the footy into the scoring territory and forward efficiency.
De Goey is a case in point. He booted 48 goals in 2018 when Collingwood were within a kick of winning the flag. In 2021, coach Nathan Buckley has a weakened midfield and might not have the luxury of leaving De Goey inside forward 50m; ideally, he would take centre bounces and then play forward.
In the 1990s, key forwards were many, if not the majority, of the top half-dozen players, as Carey, Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall, Gary Ablett snr and Stephen Kernahan’s dominance attested.
Today, when defensive systems strangle key forwards and goals are scarcer, the very best players are largely inside-and-outside midfielders (Martin, Fyfe, Dangerfield), some of whom can play as forwards.
The challenge these players pose to defenders is considerable, as Martin showed on Thursday. At one point late in the game, Adam Saad was caught in a marking duel with Dusty and the result seemed preordained once the ball was in flight.
Tall defenders are well equipped to stop key forwards. The Dusty-type, though, doesn’t have a natural match-up, since midfield taggers and even mid-sized defenders aren’t talented enough.
Not that Richmond’s reinvention of Dusty – and the imitation it promises – is entirely original.
Leigh Matthews noted on 3AW on Friday that, in the course of his long career, he seldom won possessions in the backline, and that like Martin he was a forward/midfielder hybrid.
Matthews, officially ranked as the AFL’s premier player of the 20th century, didn’t mention that he also booted 915 goals.
https://www.watoday.com.au/sport/afl/how-dusty-has-changed-other-teams-thinking-20210320-p57cif.html
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TIME TO UNLEASH A ‘JUNKYARD DOG’ ON DUSTY
When foxfooty.com.au asked triple premiership forward Cameron Mooney for his premiership prediction pre-season, he had no hesitation in tipping Richmond – primarily because of Dustin Martin and rival teams’ inability to curtail him.
“I just don’t think any team’s got anyone to stop him, until someone puts a legitimate tag on him,” Mooney told foxfooty.com.au last month.
In Thursday night’s season-opener, Martin began 2021 like he finished 2020, producing a best-on-ground performance that included 2.2, 31 disposals, 14 contested possessions, 12 score involvements and 619m gained.
Alarmingly, 83 per cent of his disposals were won in the forward half. He sent the ball inside 50 eight times and he marked the ball inside 50 five times.
No midfielder can dominate in the forward half like Martin can. But the triple premiership Tiger continues to play his unique role without unrelenting attention from an opposition tagger — a trend that continued during Richmond’s win over Carlton.
“If we (the Cats premiership era team) were playing against him and we had Cameron Ling, I would be very confident we could shut him down or at least nullify him,” Mooney said. “But teams just don’t do it, for whatever reason – and I don’t know why, whether they can’t find a tagger or teams don’t want that tag because of the way they set up now.
“Until someone or a team proves me wrong, or Richmond just takes the foot off the pedal, you’ve still got to go through Richmond to win the flag.”
Martin’s performance on Thursday night left a few pundits over the weekend fed up.
They’ve called for rival coaches to unleash a tagger against Richmond – so Martin can be put on a leash.
“No one is having a bigger impact at the moment than Dustin Martin,” Bulldogs games record-holder Brad Johnson told Fox Footy’s Saturday Stretch. “You need a ‘scragger’ on him, you need someone to restrict as much as possible, that’s up in his grill, that’s pushing him off the ball, that’s niggling and doing all the things the gun players don’t like, just to try and stop him.
“Something needs to be done.”
Four-time premiership Hawk Jordan Lewis added: “It’s hard because he’s nearly untaggable … But I think you need a junkyard dog on him. You need a scragger, someone that’s going to annoy the hell out of him for the whole game – and the team needs to buy into it.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-round-1-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-geelong-loss-to-adelaide-brisbane-loss-to-sydney-stefan-martin/news-story/608f924231fdfba7dcb1bf08277994fb
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Don't any of these media nobs remember DeBoer tagging Dusty & keeping him well in check? Dusty whacked him & got reported for it as well as having a quiet day. We lost too .... don't they remember that?
Anyway, Dusty is almost untaggable because none of the midfielders he plays on want to defend against him when he slips into the F50. Too scared? Too scarred? Too precious?
Whatev .... ::)
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He’s had days were he didn’t work well I tagger and days where he made them look absolute second rate. A fond memory for me was Brisbane were they had Nick Robertson and Mitch Robinson on him and still kicked 2 goals and the 3 Brownlow votes. I think the reason why they don’t play one on him now is as precisely what JP said is when he’s forward the tagger usually loses the marking contest or the midfield kick it to lynch or Riewoldt instead.
Was it Fremantle last year which hard tagged Neale but then got belted badly ?
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Hard to run a full tag against Martin as you lose one out of the defensive grid. Means others have to work harder and then there is the little thing of the reduction in allowable interchanges to 75.
Oh and also the Stand the mark rule takes another out of the defensive pattern
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Let 'em tag him and watch Bolton & Prestia run amok... :shh
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Funny seeing Cornes on FC last night using Greenwood tagging Dusty in R19, 2018 as an example of what needs to be done to tag Dusty. Problem was Dusty still had 19 possies and kicked 3 goals in that game :lol.
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First Crack: Dusty vs The rest of the comp:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j8iLI_GU2G8/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8iLI_GU2G8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8iLI_GU2G8
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Lloyd on Footy Classified last night was going on about having a heavy tag on Dusty and how Dusty spends his time forward of centre and has only had 2% of his entire career possessions in our D50. Ross Lyon chirped in and said well as a tagger you do at least know where Dusty is lol.
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https://twitter.com/Donna_Edge_/status/1375007980387672067
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Don’t argue: Why Dustin Martin can’t be tackled
Michael Gleeson
The Age
March 26, 2021
Patty Dangerfield would reasonably have thought he had him. With a minute and bit to play in last year’s grand final, Rhys Stanley fumbled the ball and Dustin Martin sliced between him and the Cats champion Dangerfield, pick-pocketing the ball and wheeling onto his left foot on the boundary line. Dangerfield lunged across and grasped at Martin’s waist. Dangerfield was off-balance but he is strong, he’d be able to hold most players. He couldn’t hold Martin.
Dusty wriggled free and snapped his fourth goal. The Tigers’ third premiership in four years was already won by then, and if another Norm Smith Medal was not assured for Martin, the Richmond superstar made certain of it in that moment. He could not be stopped.
“He is so strong,” said former Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch. “That one you saw in the grand final, the last goal where he can just stamp his ground and roll his hips ... Dangerfield flew off him. He just has that strength through the core, that if he needs to also plant his feet and wiggle his hips the tackler just goes flying.”
If Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury is the player who stops time, which means he is rarely tackled, Dustin Martin is the one who can’t be tackled.
Pendlebury is an eye-of-the-storm player who finds a place of calm as chaos swirls around him. Martin is the actual storm, the twister that sucks players to him, picks them up and spits them out like tin rooves across a field.
Martin has broken twice as many tackles as any other player in the AFL over the past five years, according to Champion Data. Some players barely break one tackle; Martin breaks hundreds.
Since 2016, he has broken 206 tackles in 102 home-and-away games. The next best is Dangerfield, with 103 from the same number of games. After them comes Melbourne’s midfield bull Jack Viney with 100 in 83 games.
Don’t argue, the numbers don’t lie. The competition can’t touch Dusty.
How does he do it?
The weird thing about Martin is that he is clearly strong, but he is not elite in the gym. Well, not at everything. He could squat-lift a small car but as someone at Richmond put it, he is no Alex Rance. Rance, the retired champion defender, was renowned for his freakish exploits in the weights room. Gym work is one of the few things in football at which Martin is average.
Like many of the best players Martin’s power best translates not to lifting weights but in moving players. His power is in his hips and backside. It is in his fast-twitch fibres and sharp feet that have the lightness to move quickly, but also the sturdiness to plant and stick.
He has relatively short legs and a longer torso, which gives him strength over the ball to brace. But he also generates enormous speed and power in a short space and in quick time, so he can move sideways very quickly. That’s what makes him slippery when an opponent tries to grab him.
“Dusty is in about the best third of players for squats and lifting but the feature of Dustin is his ability to prepare himself is elite, that’s why he just doesn’t miss. He swims at one of the sea baths every morning .... he gets out on the mountain bike, he is religious about getting a certain amount of ks in his legs on the bike,” Tigers recruiting managing Matt Clarke said.
“It’s more for Dustin about his flexibility rather than lifting heavy weights. It’s his core strength and his reaction time.”
There are plenty of players with power, plenty of players with balance and plenty of players with speed. Not many have all three.
Martin’s technique, combined with those physical assets, separates Dusty from the rest.
“He steps into the contact,” Leppitsch said.
“A lot of people run away from the contact and try to avoid it whereas he embraces it and steps into it and either fends or hits and then steps away from it.
“He has a great knowledge and understanding of how and when to do that.
“All the best players over time have been well balanced - Gary Ablett – they just have superior balance. Dusty doesn’t just have the balance, he has got the core to hold himself up. That is the main strength of his game.”
Former Richmond assistant coach Mark Williams, now at Melbourne, worked closely with Martin and said an under-appreciated fact is Martin works hard at it.
“We would spend 20 minutes after every training session just doing stuff for what might happen in the game and how to get out of it and get a better result,” Williams said.
“He has the ‘don’t argue’ but he has strength in the core, he shakes his bum. Back in the day Tim Watson and Robert Harvey had the same thing, they could shake you off so they knew, ‘Yeah, you have got me kind of but you haven’t really got me’. He drives the legs and shakes them off.
“Some people become panicky when they get touched.
“A touch could be a tackle or it could be just a touch and that is what Dustin thinks of it as: ‘you are only touching me you haven’t actually got me.’”
Don’t argue (TM)
Martin’s signature move, of course, is the Don’t Argue (TM).
He doesn’t have abnormally long arms, but he has timing. As Leppitsch said, he steps towards the tackler, not away, so he drives more force through his fend off. He also reads the tackler expertly to know when he has over-committed and thus slightly overbalanced in the tackle, and then he times his fend-off.
“He has the power and lateral speed but he times his move to step into the player and then throws out the fend-off and it makes it [the don’t argue] stronger,” Leppitsch said.
“He pushes. Most people think he is trying top run over people but he actually pushes and runs away from them. They are trying to grab something that is not there for very long.”
Williams agreed, saying it was an artful deception.
“He upsets the tackler before they upset him. As soon as he makes a connection he doesn’t keep running over the top of them he runs away. People are thinking he is coming forward but he is actually going away,” Williams said.
The Don’t Argue is more akin to a rugby move, like something Jonah Lomu would do, than an AFL technique.
Kevin Foote, defensive coach for the Melbourne Rebels and former South African national player, has been impressed by Martin and his style of fending off, which he feels AFL players are more vulnerable to because they have to remain upright when tackling. They can’t go low to try to wrap up the legs as you would in rugby.
“He looks like a boxer. He stands with a left hand to fend and right hand to carry [the ball] ,” Foote said.
“He obviously ticks a lot of boxes with his strength and he is very balanced and he has that big left fend, he is predominantly right-handed.”
Dusty did play some rugby league when he moved to Sydney as a kid but the Don’t Argue, according to those at Richmond, emerged later through footy.
So, how do you tackle him?
“I wouldn’t over-commit on the first tackle,” Leppitsch said.
“I would sort of stay with him, wait for the arm to come up and wait for your opportunity because he is so good at seeing when the tackler is over-committed and that is when he strikes. That is when he pushes forward off them and gets them to ground, where if you stay balanced and stay in the tackle a bit more and don’t over-commit to that first tackle, that would be the way to stay with him and maybe get him on the second or third opportunity.
“But he is so good at reading the tackler.
“ ... It is like a rugby league skill, he is so good at knowing when the tackler is coming at you to break it.”
Foote recommends a two-fold approach. Firstly, attack his right side. Secondly, get help.
“I would make sure defenders always line up to attack the ball and get away from that fend as much as possible and make him shift the ball into his left hand because he likes to carry with his right.
“So make sure [where you can] defenders are coming to that right hand side and close his space as quickly as possible.
“We call it havoc defence. I would put as much pressure on him and then put as many players between him and his teammates as possible so he has to go for that harder kick.
“And double mark him. Make sure we approach him from the right hand side. I know in AFL you have to tackle above the knee but I think you can grab the arm so I’d grab his arm or hit it down.”
Williams channels Mr Miyagi from Karate Kid, who taught “Daniel-san” the art of defence with the “wax on, wax off” method.
“You have to be aware it [the fend-off] is coming ... Get yourself close to him because the bigger distance between you and he the easier for him,” Williams said.
“It’s Mr Miyagi, wax on wax off. That is exactly what it is about and it still applies. No doubt I would do that [try to swipe away Martin’s arm]. But you have to hit him before he hits you.
“And then, good luck.”
The teammate who brought Dusty down
When Steve Smith made hundred after hundred in the 2019 Ashes and England’s bowlers were bereft of ideas as to how to get him out, Nathan Lyon wondered what the fuss was about.
Lyon routinely got him out in the nets, the off-spinner laughed in an ABC interview on grand final day 2019.
Richmond winger Patrick Naish is like Lyon. He wonders what all the fuss is about.
During a practice match early last year, Martin had the ball and looked up to see the menacing figure of Naish. Generously listed at 78kg, possibly while wearing clothes, boots and carrying a bag, Naish went at Martin with trepidation and a plan.
“It was a bit weird because he sort of fended me off but because I have a massive physique I was able to stay with him. Look, I am massive, so I was able to tackle him. Yeah, I brought him down,” Naish recalled.
“He had the ball and pretty much tried to take me on and I just caught him. With Dusty you have to get a bit lower which is what I did. By the time I tackled him he was a bit too slow getting the don’t argue up. I completely beat him for pace.”
Martin didn’t like it. But the rest of Richmond did.
“He hated it. He whacked me afterwards. He said ‘stop being a champion’,” Naish said.
“The boys loved it though, especially Shane Edwards. He loved it the most. He gave it to Dusty. He went straight to him and said ‘Not today mate’.”
During the Tigers’ long stretch in hubs last year, the moment Naish brought down Martin was revisited more than once. In team meetings, at breakfast, on a bus, a voice would float over the room: “Hey Dusty remember the day I tackled you?”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/don-t-argue-why-dustin-martin-can-t-be-tackled-20210322-p57cy3.html
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lol at naish! Great read! I think it was 2012 or 2013 where all our guns were still a bit raw and Martin got tackled good by Selwood. He actually successful fended off Selwood the first time but Selwood kept his feet and came back for the second attempt and got him good.
At the end of the day it’s ridiculous how many successful broken tackles he dishes out then the once in a blue moon he gets pinged.
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https://twitter.com/Donna_Edge_/status/1375007980387672067
Who really is Dustin Martin?
In a very rare interview, AFL star Dustin Martin tackles questions about his upbringing, his mental-health struggles, and what he really thinks of his bad-boy image.
Paywall: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/stellar/afls-dustin-dusty-martin-on-mental-health-and-his-badboy-image/news-story/85afd22feb4bd29f90a732c524e88f3b
Snippet:
The AFL star, who plays for Richmond, told the magazine that he 'doesn't care' what people think of him, but admits he's 'imperfect'.
The 29-year-old said: 'I don't know if I'm misunderstood or not. I just keep trying to be the best person I can.
'People are quick to pass judgement on one another, but you never really know what people are going through or have been through.'
'I think most people at some stage in their lives go through a similar thing,' he told the magazine.
'I just think it's important to be open and honest, and talk about your feelings with someone'.
In order to help him work through those feelings, Dusty says he practices mindfulness and keeps a journal.
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Dusty's goal on the run bursting out of the centre:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-4s2eIWmpEE/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1376010594873057281)
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1376010594873057281
From another angle: https://giant.gfycat.com/FixedUnlawfulLadybug.webm
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HAWTHORN’S “INTERESTING” DUSTIN MARTIN TACTIC THAT HARDWICK “DIDN’T SEE COMING”
BY SEN
28 March 2021
Richmond champion Dustin Martin enjoyed another dominant outing in his side’s Round 2 victory over Hawthorn, racking up 28 disposals and a goal in a best on ground performance at the MCG.
While Martin was a key factor in the Tigers’ 78-49 win, Hawthorn and Alastair Clarkson can’t say they didn’t try to curtail the superstar’s influence.
Many predicted pre-game that midfielder Liam Shiels would match-up on Martin around the contest, but Clarkson instead opted to send 38-year-old Shaun Burgoyne to the AFL’s most damaging player.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said post-match that the tactic surprised him.
“It was interesting at the start,” Hardwick said post-match.
"They had him (on Martin) and Liam Shiels started at half-back as well, so it was an interesting tactic. We didn't see it coming, obviously. But I thought Dustin was terrific, once again.
"He had a number of score involvements and gave off a couple of goals where we'd probably prefer him to have a shot next time, so that's a coffee shout. But I thought he had a great game.
"Shaun is such a terrific competitor. You don't want to allow him to roam free, but it was a good match-up."
Martin’s Round 2 performance followed up a best afield outing against the Blues in the opening round.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/28/hawthorns-interesting-dustin-martin-tactic-that-hardwick-didnt-see-coming/
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LEPPITSCH'S LEFT-FIELD SUGGESTION ON HOW SYDNEY CAN STOP DUSTY
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
30 March 2021
Justin Leppitsch has tossed up a left-field idea on how Sydney should attempt to clamp Dustin Martin this weekend.
The Hawks attempted to quell Dusty by sending Shaun Burgoyne with him around the ground in Round 2.
The former Tigers assistant coach would like to see Swans key defender Dane Rampe tag Martin and follow him around the ground.
“I do have a left-field one. This is the one I’d love to see. Sam Reid back and Dane Rampe all the way with Dustin Martin,” Leppitsch told SEN’s Whateley.
“We’ve talked about George Hewett taking that role and he’s done that in the past, but I think Dusty is a little too classy for him inside the forward 50 and if you want to stop him anywhere, it’s in that part of the ground.
“I know it’s hard because you’d have Reid take Tom Lynch and then Tom McCartin on Riewoldt and then you balance up with Rampe, but that’s the one from left-field they could look at.
“I think he’d be elite on Dusty in the forward 50. No one can score on Rampe, although Taylor Walker did okay, but he’d be better on Martin than anyone else they’ve got I think.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/29/leppitschs-left-field-suggestion-on-how-sydney-can-stop-dusty/
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The "Is anyone as good as Dusty" song ...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BnTgAenVWhw/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTgAenVWhw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTgAenVWhw
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DID SWANS DUO RATTLE TIGERS SUPERSTAR MARTIN?
BY SEN
8 April 2021
Sydney evergreens Josh Kennedy and Luke Parker were tasked with quelling the three-time Norm Smith Medallist.
“‘Joey’ and ‘Parks’ really took him out of the game a bit, so it let us do what we needed to do,” Warner told Sportsday.
“It really helped us.
“They weren’t tagging him or anything, they just wanted to put a fair bit of body into him at general stoppages, centre bounces and just around the ground.
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“What happened just rattled him maybe a little bit and they won the ball off him too.
The triple-premiership Tiger finished with 20 disposals, four clearances and one goal.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/08/did-swans-duo-rattle-tigers-superstar-martin/
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Dustin Martin had 20 disposals in round three, but finished the day without a scoring shot or goal assist (First time that's happened since 2016).
So what exactly did the Swans do to make sure the superstar wasn't getting the ball in dangerous spots?
Break it all down with The Scouting Report 📋
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Hinkley enlightened the assembled media as to why it is so difficult to curtail Martin’s major influence.
“Dusty’s a great player. The goal he kicked again . . . you have a nightmare when you see him,” Hinkley said.
“For people who get out there and go, ‘Oh, you’ve got to do something to Dustin’, he does five unbelievable things.
“I’ve played with some great players, watched some great players, but you nearly can’t stop them. And, for all those people who say you just tag them, you just can’t.
“We do our best to stop them, but they just do brilliant things when they need to. And he’s (Martin) one of those players.
“We know the challenge because he goes wherever he needs to go for the team, and he just knows the moments.
“Like, I watched the Grand Final last year . . . I just see him pick those moments, and I don’t know how he does it.
“But he’s done it over and over again, so you can’t call it a fluke.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/901273/hinkley-s-high-praise-for-dusty
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Dusty's 250th on Saturday night :bow :bow :bow.
2010 21
2011 22
2012 20
2013 23
2014 22
2015 23
2016 22
2017 25
2018 23
2019 23
2020 20
2021 6*
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Total 250*
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/D/Dustin_Martin.html
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That really is extraordinary durability
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Does anyone know exactly how many games he has missed through non-selection, injury, suspension since round 1 2010. I know it’s something ridiculously small.
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Non selection would be 0
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Reckon every yr from 2010 to 2017 he improved incrementally and for a first yr player in 2010 he had a very good season. Maybe 2012 he plateued a little.If he performed at 2010 level all his career he would still have had a good career.
Best midfielder i have seen at our club and right up there with any mid that has played the game. just an awesome player.
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Does anyone know exactly how many games he has missed through non-selection, injury, suspension since round 1 2010. I know it’s something ridiculously small.
8
R6, 2010 .......... soreness.
R15-16, 2012 .... suspended for 2 weeks over Dan Connors/sleeping tablets/missed training incident.
R22, 2014 ......... hammy.
R12, 2018 ......... calf.
R4, 2019 .......... suspended for 1 week for off the ball hit on GWS's Adam Kennedy.
R21, 2019 ........ soreness.
R3, 2020 .......... rib bruising.
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COULD RICHMOND SUPERSTAR MARTIN PLAY 400 GAMES?
Alex Zaia
SEN
20 April 2021
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is preparing to play his 250th game against Melbourne on Saturday night – but could he get to 400?
Martin’s incredible durability has seen him miss just eight games since debuting in 2010, allowing him to win three premierships and a swag of individual awards.
The three-time Norm Smith Medallist turns 30 in June and doesn’t look to be slowing down anytime soon – a scary proposition for the other 17 AFL clubs.
SEN host Andy Maher described Martin as “bulletproof” and has backed the Brownlow Medallist to become just the second Richmond player after Kevin Bartlett to play 400 games.
“The only way he’s going to get injured is spraining his wrist or breaking his elbow from fending off,” Maher told SEN’s Bob and Andy.
“He plays a game of footy that’s incredibly physical and robust, but the way he plays is seemingly bulletproof.
“The danger is tearing a hamstring or popping a calf. He'll play 400 games. If he wants to, he’ll play 400 games.”
Richmond great Wayne Campbell thinks Martin cracking the magical 400-game mark is not beyond the realm of possibility.
“It’s not a silly statement,” Campbell said.
“He’s at 250 (games) and he’s turning 30, apart from the six weeks post-season, he looks after himself incredibly well.
“I’ve thought the same thing. He almost looks like he’s untouched but then you look at his contested numbers, they’re through the roof.
“He’s got some good genes, hasn’t he? He’s got those really strong quads.”
Just five VFL/AFL players have played 400 games - Brent Harvey (432), Michael Tuck (426), Bartlett (403) and Dustin Fletcher (400).
Martin is in ominous form heading into his 250th game, averaging 27.2 disposals, four clearances and a goal a game in 2021.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/20/could-richmond-superstar-martin-play-400-games/
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Knock wood he keeps this up. To be honest unlike boomer Harvey who played bruised free footy on the outside, Martin actually plays a lot in the contest so I don’t think he will make 400. Still it’s quality over quantity and he’s done more in his 250 than say kade Simpson in 300
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he’s done more in his 250 than say kade Simpson in 300
...by about a factor of 10... :shh
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He'll definately get to 360. Thats 5 seasons away. Do 400 isnt out of the question.
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What a champion this bloke is.
We must thank Melbourne on Saturday night for missing one of the best players of all time. :shh
I reckon he will be pumped on the big stage to entertain us with another awesome display of some of his best work. :rollin
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Unpacking Dusty: The enduring genius of footy's private superstar
Ahead of Dustin Martin's 250th game, Callum Twomey looks at what makes the champion Tiger so great - and why 400 games isn't out of the question
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
21 April 2021
THE PARADOX of Dustin Martin is that we simultaneously know everything and nothing about him. The AFL's best footballer is both iconic and reclusive, imitable and completely inimitable, in the orbit of the public on Punt Road yet truly out of reach.
The competition's greatest entertainer and most well-known player remains a private figure off the field, rarely giving interviews and forgoing the spotlight for others. And yet he already has a record even the most vague football supporters can reel off at the drop of a 'don't argue': three premierships, three Norm Smith Medals and a Brownlow Medal. And possibly more to come.
This week he will play his 250th game for Richmond when the Tigers tackle Melbourne on Saturday night. He has reached the milestone with incredible speed, leaving those close to him to believe he could join the 400 club in years to come.
"I certainly believe given some luck Dustin could play to 36 years of age," said his long-time manager Ralph Carr. "Maybe he can defy all odds as only Dustin does and play longer. He comes out of contract in 2024 at the age of 33. He could potentially [reach 400 games] if he plays as long as we hope."
WHAT MAKES DUSTY SO DURABLE?
Martin has played 249 of Richmond's 257 games since he joined the club as its No.3 pick at the 2009 NAB AFL Draft. It is a remarkable record for a player renowned for his power, explosiveness and combative approach. "For a guy who is so competitive and plays like a beast, he never seems to cop heavy or bad injuries," said former teammate Brett Deledio.
Martin's training ethic is the stuff of folklore at Richmond. Few who have been around football for long enough can recall many players training at his consistently high level for so long. Even at 29, heading into his 12th season this year after three flags in four years, he put an emphasis on improving his running, blowing away coach Damien Hardwick with his pre-season. Averaging 27 disposals and a goal so far in 2021, it has worked.
Where other players commit to the gym and lifting weights, Martin has gone off-site to engage a boxing guru away from the club in previous years to maintain his fitness.
"He's obviously a great preparer. He actually trains really hard. That's probably his strength area: on the training track he doesn't go half-paced. Everything is at full tilt so in that sense that's why he plays with the intensity that he does," former Richmond assistant Justin Leppitsch said.
"He loves training, he loves playing. It's not like he's an exceptional runner or a monster in the gym or any of that sort of stuff. He still does all that other stuff but his fascination is with the game and how good he can be. That's why he's so good."
Carr said his client had invested in ways to ensure he was making the most of his career.
"[Things like] research on how the game is changing, diet, durability, other options on off-season training, psychology and additional mindfulness resources," he said.
That much has been evident at Richmond, where even when he has suffered a niggle, he has worked and returned at his own pace. A calf strain, several years ago, didn't keep him out for a game as he backed his body to recover in time between matches.
His most recent injury of significance was in the 2018 finals series, when he carried a 'significant' corkie in his thigh that spread to his knee into the Tigers' shock preliminary final loss to Collingwood.
"He's almost his own doctor," said Deledio. "He's pretty diligent with his own body and own career. He's really invested in that."
HOW DOES HE DO IT?
Martin's brilliance is, by now, well acknowledged. His history-making effort in last year's Grand Final win over Geelong – a four-goal best-afield performance made him the first three-time winner of the Norm Smith – cemented his place in football immortality and there is one skill central to everything else: his kicking.
"It's magnificent and it has the capacity to free up his attention to do other things because he's got it mastered," said the AFL's Damian Farrow, who is the League's umpires coaching and innovation manager, and also a professor of skill acquisition.
"There's no resource of effort allocated to his kicking because he doesn't need to. He has an ability to see targets and bring players into the game as a consequence and I think that's one of his real strengths. The core strengths give him the capacity to have vision."
Like Mike Tyson's uppercut, Steph Curry's long-range jump shot or Shane Warne's wild spin, Martin's kicking is his weapon. It comes from his thighs, Farrow says, and allows him to set up the play with penetration. Think of Martin with the ball and his kicks don't linger in the air nor allow an opponent time to spoil. They pierce space like the Millennium Falcon in overdrive.
An academic study published nearly two decades ago concluded that global soccer star David Beckham was the 'Einstein of football physics', saying he had mastered carrying out a multitude of distance and speed calculations inside his head when passing the ball or shooting for goal. Martin, in his capacity to nearly flawlessly make the right call with the Sherrin in his hands, is equally as genius.
"He's not time-stressed because he already knows where he's likely to be distributing the ball when he comes out of the contest," Farrow said. "His temperament is so even and he's got a calmness and composure to him."
But, as four All-Australian jumpers and two best and fairests would prove, there's more than that to Martin. There's the stoppage prowess, the centre-square dominance, the brilliance around goal. There's the standing up in tackles, the speed and strength to break through and the one-on-one contests that see the best of combatants reduced to castaways.
"He's not aloof at all given his standing in the game. He's very down to earth. There are things he doesn't love doing that his fame brings: he doesn't tend to love speaking a lot and the adulation at times that comes with it, but he takes it in his stride," Leppitsch said.
Martin is doubtless football's biggest rock star, but carries more the mystery of Prince than the showmanship of Mick Jagger. Along the way he has popularised fend-offs in the same way Steve Jobs did computers, turning them from a luxury to an essential. Buzzcuts (see every third kid's hair at Auskick clinics) and sleeve tattoos (although maybe not neck ones) have also manifested since Martin's emergence, with Bonds, Jeep and Kennedy watches some of the lucrative commercial partners enjoying his success. Over summer an ex-AFL player was spotted watching Tigers training behind the fence on Punt Road. His kids, not Richmond fans, wanted a glimpse of Dusty.
"He is a great ambassador for the AFL code," Carr said. "Dustin is a quiet, humble person with an incredible love for his father, family, teammates and Richmond. I feel honoured to have shared the journey so far. I am so proud of Dustin."
WHAT'S NEXT?
There are no signs Martin is slowing down. His $9 million, seven-year contract with Richmond has another three years to run after this season, and with his 30th birthday in June, he remains the AFL's best player by some distance.
Martin's life cycle at the top level saw him begin as a full-time midfielder. "That's where he wanted to play and he worked his backside off to be fit," Deledio said.
A second evolution saw him become a back-half accumulator, where he played well but didn't maximise his damage on the game. The Tigers' stocktake of roles at the end of their 2016 season saw Hardwick and his coaching troupe reassign Martin to be a centre-forward dynamo. He booted 37 goals in their breakthrough 2017 campaign, and has followed it with 31, 32 and 22 in the past three seasons.
The statistics highlight his impact. Since the start of 2017, Champion Data shows an average of 80 per cent of his possessions have been won in the midfield, 2.5 per cent in defence and 17.5 per cent in the forward line. In the previous seven years nearly 15 per cent of his touches were in the backline.
The role has itself spawned imitations, as rival clubs weigh up the forward-50 time of players such as Patrick Dangerfield, Marcus Bontempelli, Jordan De Goey, Christian Petracca and Jake Stringer.
The transformation also saw him change into more of an inside player as Richmond ignored a possession game style. From 2010-16, 36.5 per cent of Martin's possessions were contested. Since the start of 2017, that rate has risen to 47 per cent. In the 2010-16 period he averaged 6.6 score involvements, but in the block since it has jumped to 7.8 – ranked second of all players in that time (behind Lance Franklin at 8.4). Martin has been involved in 31.4 per cent of Richmond's scores in the Tigers' past four-and-a-bit seasons, ranking him No.1 in the AFL.
"The current system, where he plays centre square and in the front half, is the best for him," Leppitsch said. "'Dimma' really adapted the players' strengths to the game plan itself."
Richmond's Dustin Martin and coach Damien Hardwick embrace after the Tigers' 2020 Grand Final victory. Picture: AFL Photos
With 43-year-old NFL legend Tom Brady's seventh Super Bowl victory this year providing inspiration, a fourth evolution could be on the way for Martin in the next phase of his career.
Deledio, now in player management with Mac's Sports, sees Martin playing as a deep forward more as his career goes on, citing Adelaide great Mark Ricciuto's end to his career in attack. Hawthorn champion Leigh Matthews did the same in his playing days. Leppitsch, too, believes being a "forward 50" player could extend Martin's career by two or three seasons.
Martin himself is unlikely to engage in much of the hysteria this week about his milestone, nor about future plans. But with Richmond priming itself for the first premiership three-peat in club history, and Martin aiming for his fourth premiership medallion, its hopes will again largely centre on their seminal superstar in September.
"It's not that he plays better in big games, it's just normally a lot of guys drop off in big games. And his evenness of performance, what he delivers week to week, he just does again," Farrow said. "His stats don't look very different but that's the whole secret of it. It's what you see in the Olympics. There's very few world record times set at the Olympics – it's just the athlete who performs closest to their best tends to win. He's a good example of that."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/598610/dustin-martin-250-games-what-makes-the-tigers-superstar-so-great
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Very hard for him to get to 400 games. Would need to play to 36/37 and have a dream run of no injuries, no suspensions and no "managed". Richmond would need to continue to play finals over that period.
Then there is the question of whether he would want to.
Provided he plays the rest of the season and we play finals he could be on 267/270 games at the end of the year. 3 years to run on his contract after this year could give him somewhere between 332 and 348. Then he would need another three years averaging 20 games per year.
Dusty hasn't been one for individual goals so would think Richmond would need to remain a top 4 side for him to continue past the end of his current contract
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The AFL article got one thing wrong. He does play better in big games! He lifts for finals! He averages more goals!
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It was mentioned on Fox Footy that Dusty is 2nd for nailing hardest kicks in the comp. this year.
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If he stays fit, he will get to 400 easily.
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https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/917999/dustin-martin-s-story-so-far?videoId=917999&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1619077849001
...and it could've easily been twice as long...:shh
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Dusty 'don't argue' compilation:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1385424635743723521
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CRACKING THE DUSTIN MARTIN CODE
Andrew Slevison
SEN
23 April 2021
We all know the player.
The class, the power, the deft touch, the brute force, the tattoos, the medals, the success.
But we’re all trying to crack the code of what sort of bloke he is.
There is a perverse desire (among some of us) to truly understand what makes Dustin Martin tick.
What drives him? What influences him? What does he strive for?
Former Richmond assistant coach Justin Lepptisch has more clues to cracking the ‘Dusty’ code than the rest of us after spending years getting to know the man.
“He’s one of the most respectful people I’ve ever met,” Leppitsch told SEN.com.au.
“He’s not aloof at all. He might come across that way publicly.
“I live down in Mt Eliza and he’s always wanting to bring players over, come for dinner, he’ll kick the ball with the kids in the backyard, he’s that sort of guy.
“He doesn’t say a lot, and he doesn’t say a lot even behind the scenes as well, but he loves winning, he loves the team environment. That’s his life - his mates and the club and the team.
“I think that really is his family.”
On Saturday night when Richmond graces the hallowed turf of the MCG, Martin will join elite company.
At the age of 29, Martin becomes the 25th youngest player and the 11th fastest in the history of the game to reach the 250-game milestone.
It has taken him a little over 11 seasons to join the likes of Andrew McLeod, Chris Judd, Michael Voss, Matthew Pavlich, Gary Ablett Junior, Scott Pendlenury and Mark Ricciuto as one of the youngest to 250, missing only eight games over the journey.
With this feat in tow, Martin could easily have his head in the clouds, but the Tigers superstar possesses a down-to-earth humility that has him seemingly on the same level as his peers.
An example of this is that he is fiercely loyal to those closest to him.
“The people close to him he cares a lot about and he cares what they think,” Leppitsch added.
“The people outside of that, he doesn’t care at all. So if he was getting public pressure for a certain person he should or should not be hanging out with, he couldn’t care less.
“That’s his mate, they’re loyal to him and he’s loyal to them. He’s a very loyal person like that.”
As long as enjoyment is a motivating factor, Martin will continue to flourish.
He loves a joke. In fact, he lives for it. He endures the mundane side of the game just to get a taste of it.
“One thing about Dustin is he loves the fun of the game,” Leppitsch said.
“Whenever there’s a team meeting and we go through all the ‘boring’ stuff, at the end there’s a bit of fun. It could be a gag or some funny footage, that’s his favourite part.
“At the end of each meeting, ‘Dimma’ (coach Damien Hardwick) would have some of those moments on the screen. It was like the only reason Dustin would turn up to that meeting was to wait for that part of it.
“That’s when he stands up to attention and he’s rubbing his hands together. He’s always waiting for those moments.
“Whilst he loves being a professional athlete and the combative part of it, he loves the fun just as much.”
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin even attempted to crack the code back in the early days before simply embracing his perceived differences with Dusty.
There were some instances when the now superstar perhaps played up or was slightly out of line, but he is now a model citizen in his skipper’s eyes.
“Seeing his highlights even before he trained his first session we knew he was a pretty impressive and unique player,” Cotchin said.
“I have written about my first impressions of him and that you should never judge a book by its cover, but I probably did.
“Since that moment I’ve learnt so much about him and even though from afar we look like two totally different people, we’re very similar in many ways.
“We continue to learn and grow our friendship and I’ve just been really impressed with his journey since being at the footy club.”
There is further intrigue to the Martin story. He came to Melbourne from Castlemaine after he was drafted in 2009.
His first stay with a host family didn’t quite go to plan but he soon found refuge at the home of former president Gary March.
It is that recurring theme of family, with his father Shane first interstate and now in New Zealand, that Martin always clung to.
“We really bonded well with him,” March said on SEN Breakfast.
“We still see him quite regularly. We’re hoping to have a family dinner in the next couple of weeks.
“He was really misunderstood. With his shyness, people maybe felt he was aloof, but that couldn’t be further from the truth.
“He was just a young boy that needed some stability around him. His dad was living interstate at the time. We were able to provide that for him.
“It’s been fantastic to see him evolve as a person.”
As for the fun side of Dusty, it was clearly evident, particularly in the early days.
“It was probably more a problem when he bought home the likes of Jake King and the late Shane Tuck,” March added.
“They could run riot at our place occasionally."
After an indifferent beginning, the intrigue surrounding the real Martin has grown immensely over the past decade.
So too has his reputation as a big-game player who is now at the peak of his powers and sitting firmly in the top echelon of Tigers.
“I didn’t quite expect him to get to the heights that he has,” March said further.
“We always knew he would be a 200-plus game player, but I didn’t think he would be quite the player he has become.
“I’ve followed Richmond for 50 years and for me now, he’s clearly our greatest ever player.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/23/cracking-the-dustin-martin-code/
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
IF ...
Dusty takes his talents into the stratosphere seemingly every time the stakes are at their highest ...
THEN ...
watch him go there again in Saturday night's Anzac Day eve match against the Dees. It'll be the biggest AFL crowd since the 2019 Grand Final, the Dees think they're a chance, Trac is being compared with him. That's more than Dusty needs.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/599364/if-the-comparisons-with-dusty-have-been-coming-fortnightly-then
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Dustin Martin opens up on premiership ‘dream’ he still hasn’t achieved
Dustin Martin has done literally everything you can in the AFL but there is still one thing he wants to do as he reaches 250 games.
Andrew McMurtry
HeraldSun
April 23, 2021 - 6:12PM
Richmond Tigers star Dustin Martin has put together a career that has him spoken about in the same breath as the legends of the game.
Three premierships, the only man to win three Norm Smith Medals and the 2017 Brownlow Medal, Martin appears headed for “legend” status at the end of his career.
Still only 29, Martin could have plenty more time still to go in his career.
It feels like Martin has been around forever and achieved everything there is to achieve ahead of his 250th game against the Melbourne Demons on Saturday night at the MCG.
In a rare interview with Nick Riewoldt before the season began, Martin admitted he couldn’t separate his premierships — or Norm Smith medals — as “each of them are special in their own unique way”.
While he couldn’t separate the wins so far, one thing would make a four title even more special — if he could do it in front of his dad.
Shane Martin, a former high-ranking member of the Rebels motorcycle gang, lived in Australia for three decades before he was deported in 2016 after his visa was cancelled on grounds of character.
He has previously faced charges of assault and burglary, while in 2004 he received a two-month prison sentence, suspended for 12 months, for aiding and abetting in drugs trafficking.
He was turned away again in February 2020 despite claiming Indigenous heritage.
But Martin hasn’t given up hope of celebrating a premiership with his dad in the stadium.
“It’s been a massive challenge but it is what it is,” Martin said. “I love my dad and he’s made me the man I am today. I have full belief that he’ll be back here to watch us win another flag. That’s my dream to be able to have the old man with the rest of the family and watch the Tiges win another flag.”
Martin doesn’t do a lot of interviews in a season and said he gets nervous in front of the camera but it’s clear he shuns the spotlight, apart from when he’s on the footy field.
And there are few players who turn it on for big games like Dustin Martin.
He left the AFL world gobsmacked in the 2020 Grand Final, when he turned the game himself with a stunning four goal performance — all solo efforts — to run away with a 31-point win.
Riewoldt said it was a stunning turnaround after he felt at halftime that “Geelong have got them” — that is, until Martin took control.
But even looking back, Martin couldn’t help but downplay it.
“It’s hard, footy can be such a random game, you can’t really plan what’s going to happen,” he said. “A bit like that game, we started a bit slow and we just built. I just knew that if I kept calm and kept being ready for the opportunity that when my chance came, I was going to take it.”
It has the talk of Martin being arguably the greatest player to play the game.
Fellow legend Leigh Matthews said last year on Nine’s The Sunday Footy Show that “Dusty’s the only player I don’t get insulted being compared to”.
But again, it’s just water off Martin’s back, although that doesn’t mean he doesn’t take the time to smell the roses.
“It’s extremely humbling to hear these things from people but that’s just their opinion and I try not to get too caught up on other people’s opinions whether positive or negative,” he said. “I always just come back to what I can control.
“Life moves so fast, I think it’s super important to reflect on those things. I remember I was on the Goldie after the Grand Final, probably three weeks after the game, it’d been a big couple of weeks celebrating, and I went out and just sat on the balcony where I was and just took a moment to reflect, rang a few people from the club, sent out a few texts. I think it is really special to reflect.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-opens-up-on-premiership-dream-he-still-hasnt-achieved/news-story/682413a9152b388c7990899f143f864b
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We're a they getting compared to Dusty Petracca from lol not even close to tieing Dusty 's shoe laces.
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‘Bullet-proof’ Dusty gets to 250 non-stop
By Greg Baum
The Age
April 24, 2021
If you get the impression that Dustin Martin is always there, that’s because he is. In 11-plus years of AFL footy, he’s missed eight games. Three were because of suspension and two or three because he was being “managed”, leaving three at most that can be put down to outright injury.
He averages more than 22 games a season. If not for the five games that no-one played in the shortened 2020 season, his average would be the highest in the game’s history. It is just as well there is no medal for that: where would he put it?
It’s not as if Martin hides away on the half-back line or in the forward pocket. He was a midfielder from the start, spent a couple of years lurking behind the ball, but now plays mid-forward. To 2016, 36 per cent of his possessions were contested. Since, it’s been 47 per cent.
He’s always in harm’s way, but never gets hurt. How?
In essence, he’s the No.1 who looks after number one, in the best sense. “What he’s done over time is to build durability through his accumulation of work,” said Peter Burge, Richmond’s high performance manager since 2012. “He’s built it to a point where he’s almost bullet-proof.”
Burge remembers a game against Essendon in 2014, one of nine in a row that the Tigers needed to win to play finals. They were on a six-day break and Martin had nicked a hamstring. Any other player would have missed, but on match eve, he passed most of a fitness test. “We said, let’s stop now, because he’s starting to look OK, even though the scan showed a grade 1 strain,” Burge said.
“We said, he’s different to others with his body. He can cope with things. We played him, he played very, very well and we won the game.
“To me, that was unique. There’s something in his physiology that allows him to function or protect that particular area of injury. He uses his body differently. It’s hard to explain. He’s got a lot of strength in his body generally so other areas are able to compensate without doing more damage, but also allowing him to perform over two-and-a-half hours. That’s very hard to do with a hamstring strain of any sort.”
Only once has Martin’s invisible shield failed. Leading into the 2018 preliminary final, he was nursing a corked thigh that would not come to heel. “It became evident about four days out that he still didn’t have close to full range in being able to flex his knee and run,” Burge said. “It probably showed that he’s a little bit human.
“Two days out, he’s a bit better. He got out there and played the best he could. But he certainly wasn’t 100 per cent. He didn’t have full power in acceleration. You would never have questioned whether he should or shouldn’t play. But that’s probably the only time it hasn’t worked out for us.” The Tigers lost to Collingwood.
Well, even Superman faltered occasionally. Besides, imagine the alternative scenario: Richmond might now be playing for a fifth consecutive premiership.
Putting that thought away, let’s try to do the impossible: let’s try to break down Martin’s indestructibility. Those who have watched and worked with him agree that it boils down to a few precepts.
One is genetics. “He was well developed from a young age in his robustness and stature,” said Matt Hornsby, previously of Richmond, now high performance manager at St Kilda. “That allowed him to tolerate the collision element of senior footy better than the other young guys coming through.”
Burge agrees. “There’s a fair genetic component,” he said. “You would never take anything away from how he applies himself. But he has a naturally strong body, as you can see. He’s not the greatest runner. He’s not necessarily the strongest in the gym. He doesn’t need to be.”
Justin Leppitsch, who has coached him on and off, puts it succinctly. “He doesn’t actually feel the hits as much as others.”
Out of that grows a rare capacity to play through injury. “He’s had a lot of niggles,” said Leppitsch. “He fights through it. He’s tough.” That’s not to say Martin is an automaton. “He’s not immune to being sore,” said Burge. “He does get tired, like other players. But he’s mentally very strong in terms of being able to ride the waves.”
Ralph Carr, his manager since almost day dot, sees it. “There have been times over my 10-year journey with Dusty that I have noticed he was carrying an injury and incredible pain,” Carr said, “but he would never tell you. I suppose that’s what real champions do.”
Martin’s antidote is his Stakhanovite work ethic. All attest to it. “He always trains. He loves training,” said Burge. “That builds durability. If you’re a consistent trainer, and you train with intensity, you build durability.”
He was like that from the start. He wanted to learn, from Kane Johnson and Daniel Jackson then, from Trent Cotchin and others now. “He’s a very loyal person,” said Hornsby. “He doesn’t like to let down people he’s close to.”
The word that recurs most often in conversations about Martin is “professional”. All agree that it sits oddly with his rebel-without-a-pause image.
“I don’t think the outside image matches the reality,” said former Adelaide star Mark Ricciuto, another rough-looking diamond who was remarkably consistent across 300 games. “From what I’ve seen of Dusty over the last five years, he’s always looking to get better. Players who play that much footy are competitive people. They’re always looking for ways to get the best out of themselves. That’s him. He’s the ultimate professional.”
Sometimes, Martin’s devotion to training borders on excess. “There are times when we have to say, it’d be good to back off a bit today,” said Burge. “He listens. Then he always comes back five minutes later and goes, ‘whaddya reckon if I just do a bit of this?’ This might be the treadmill or an extra stretch.
“His desire to continue to work is impressive, particularly as he’s gotten older,” said Burge. “But there are times when we have to say, back off a bit today. You are going all right!”
Then there are the extras. Away from the club, Martin is single-minded in his exploration of paths to improvement. Yoga, mindfulness, meditation, psychology, chiro, massage, stretching sessions at home: he does or did them all. He’s a regular at the sea baths at St Kilda. He has modified his diet, and what he drinks. He’s conscious of his ideal bodyweight and the way it plays into his power-to-weight ratio. Mental and physical strength build mutually.
“He boxes regularly outside the club as well,” said Burge. “That’s more about footwork and baseline condition. He feels mentally he needs to do that stuff to maintain his levels. And he loves doing it. That’s the other thing: he just loves it.”
He wasn’t always quite so dedicated; few young footballers are. But it’s his schtick now. “It took a while for the penny to drop,” said Leppitsch. “But now he’s brilliant. Once you get older, you tend to know your body. You know when to push it, when to pull out. But you don’t learn those lessons until later in life.”
Martin is 30 in June, and Burge said he was modifying and refining his preparation. “The one thing that’s been constant the whole time is his ability to train and want to train,” he said. “The other thing that is important for him is to develop as he’s getting older in how he’s preparing. I think he’s thought ahead about this.”
How far ahead? To reach 400 games, Martin would have to continue at this rate and pace until he is 36. But he shows no sign of fading out or losing interest. As Ricciuto notes, he’s playing in a good Richmond era, so why would he not ride this wave out. He made it.
The game could meet him half-way. “Even if he stops his mid-forward time, you can see him playing forward 50 on his own,” said Leppitsch. “Almost the way Toby Greene plays it. He’s that good a player, you’d always rather him in your team than out.”
That furthers the horizon. “I really believe that he can defy all the odds as only Dustin Martin can,” said Carr, his manager, “and play to 36 years of age and maybe even longer.”
Richmond’s only concern about Martin is not to spend him out. “We don’t want to take him for granted,” said Burge. “But we’ve got so much trust in what he does to better himself and to continue to invest in himself, that you don’t tend to worry too much about him.”
Worrying about Martin is for the Tigers’ opponents, for the 250th time on Saturday and every forseeable week after that. The one thing they all know is that he will be there.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bullet-proof-dusty-gets-to-250-non-stop-20210423-p57lrq.html
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So much for Dusty not missing games and being bullet proof. Thanks media, nice mozz!
Let's hope his eye socket isn't fractured on top of the concussion :pray.
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Wasn’t a great game by the champ even before the hit. Hibberd did a good job tagging.
Dusty will smash them if we play them again in finals. :rollin
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Jibberd I reckon has had the wood on Dusty before. One of few players who has
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Martin was kept to eight disposals in the clash in a hard-checking role by Melbourne defender Michael Hibberd before he left the game in the third quarter under concussion protocols. It means he will automatically be ruled out of next week's clash with the unbeaten Dogs.
But Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said post-game that it could help refresh the Tigers champion.
"He'll obviously miss next week which is disappointing but it's the lay of the land at the moment and player health and well-being is the paramount of our medical staff and the AFL so we'll abide by that and he'll take his 12 days," Hardwick said.
"He has had some foot issues. They've not been significant but it has impacted him and last week was a little bit the same. In fairness, although he's going to miss some time, it might be the best thing for him. He's a proud man, he'd never put up his hand and complain, but the fact of the matter is he hasn't been his explosive self because of that. He'll get better."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/600003/another-one-bites-the-dust-martin-among-injured-tigers-who-will-miss-date-with-dogs)
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Dustin Martin is reportedly dating Byron Bay-based model Jessica Gomes.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-great-dustin-martin-dating-byron-bay-supermodel-report-c-2681185
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Hibberd held Martin to just eight disposals and no impact on the contest for three and a bit quarters, but despite getting the better of the triple Norm Smith Medallist he told AFL Nation “by no means (was it simple).”
“I’m glad it’s over to be honest,” Hibberd said.
“We know their half forwards, (Jack) Graham and (Jake) Aarts, play a few tricks with Dusty. He’s such a good clearance player they want him around the ball and he’s such a good one and one player, so they want him forward, so we knew they were going to do those switches.
“I watched a fair bit of tape on him over the week. To save any confusion any mid stoppage I was just going to him and we know that he spits forward from there and I was just taking him from there. It was pretty clear.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/24/how-veteran-demon-plotted-defensive-masterclass-to-stop-martin/
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‘That’s my job’: How Melbourne’s blueprint to stop Dustin Martin exposed ‘disorganised’ Saints
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
April 27th, 2021
Dual All-Australian Leigh Montagna believes Melbourne and Michael Hibberd had the ideal game plan to curtail Richmond superstar Dustin Martin – an approach that highlighted how “disorganised” St Kilda was the round prior.
Prior to being ruled out of Saturday night’s game in the third term with concussion, Martin was held to just eight disposals by Hibberd, who manned up on the triple Norm Smith medallist once he’d pushed into the forward line post-centre bounce.
Speaking on Fox Footy’s First Crack, Montagna said there was a “misconception” among some AFL fans that Martin was a midfielder, declaring he was a “forward who takes the centre bounces”. And Hibberd, a natural defender, was the perfect match-up for Martin, according to Montagna.
Dual premiership Kangaroos David King pointed to vision of how Hibberd played Martin during Saturday night’s clash.
King said he was thrilled with Hibberd’s attitude to own the task he’d been given by Melbourne coach Simon Goodwin, evident by the moment he shooed teammate Nathan Jones away from Martin when the Tiger had made his way into forward 50.
“This to me is the mindset of when you’ve got the group eating out of the palm of your hands,” King told Fox Footy’s First Crack.
“What’s Michael Hibberd’s role? It’s Dustin Martin. He does the job on (Daniel) Rioli until the earliest possible time when he can make the transition and change with Nathan Jones.
“He’s not really interested in what Rioli’s doing. He’s trying to communicate: ‘Get over here, I’m coming back. You know what? Jonesy, bad luck mate – I’m coming. My job is Dustin Martin, the coach has told me that’s my job, that’s what I’m going to do.’
“That is as much about having the group. Just in that one bit of vision as anything else as we’ll show tonight, Simon Goodwin would say: ‘That’s my boy, I can trust you with any role’. And then that permeates through the group.
“Leadership is really strong at Melbourne, it’s really evident.”
Montagna said Melbourne’s approach to curtailing Martin was a stark contrast to how St Kilda played him in Round 5, which saw the superstar Tiger boot one goal from a game-high 34 disposals in Richmond’s 86-point win.
“St Kilda were totally disorganised. The amount of times Dustin Martin was free for 10, 15 seconds – that’s how he gets lost in transition,” Montagna told First Crack. “You’d rather double-team Dustin Martin for 15 seconds and let someone else free than leave Dustin Martin out the back on his own with nobody on him.
“That was spot on by Melbourne, it was a great tactical play and more sides, like (Sydney’s) George Hewett who’s the only other one that’s beaten Dustin Martin this year – the defender, as soon as the centre bounce is taken, you go to Martin. Let the others sort it out through the midfield so you can get the job done.”
Asked if other clubs could replicate Melbourne’s tactic on Martin with a Hibberd-like player, King said: “You’ve just got to have a plan. All we’re looking for is a plan.
“There’s no right or wrong in AFL footy … it’s just opinion on what we see. But that to me was Michael Hibberd saying ‘I’m not giving up on this, not for a minute’, because we’ve seen Dusty (previously) run and roam around unopposed for 40 or 50 seconds – the best player in the comp.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/melbourne-demons/afl-news-2021-dustin-martin-tagged-by-michael-hibberd-blueprint-to-stop-dusty-first-crack-david-king-leigh-montagna/news-story/3ae790f3825bfae196f22d3b04a2cd10
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Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has received clearance to travel to New Zealand to visit his father but has been warned he will not be given any special treatment should border issues arise.
The AFL confirmed on Tuesday night that the Tigers had asked for advice in determining whether Martin should be allowed to make the trip.
The Tigers have been told Martin’s trip is their responsibility, so if there are any issues, it is up to the player and club to work through them.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/bubble-warning-dusty-given-approval-to-make-new-zealand-trip-20210427-p57mxs.html
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Because he has a week off?
I wonder if something is up. He wasn't playing well before concussion and you'd think after a head knock and with border issues a possibility they would discourage him from going?
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Because he has a week off?
I wonder if something is up. He wasn't playing well before concussion and you'd think after a head knock and with border issues a possibility they would discourage him from going?
Hasn't seen his Dad in over a year, wants to see his Dad....
Dimma also said again in his presser he's been carrying a foot injury the last couple of weeks. So with the 12 day break good chance to get the foot right.
Dimma also said Club doesn't stop any player from needing or wanting to see their family....
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Because he has a week off?
I wonder if something is up. He wasn't playing well before concussion and you'd think after a head knock and with border issues a possibility they would discourage him from going?
Hasn't seen his Dad in over a year, wants to see his Dad....
Dimma also said again in his presser he's been carrying a foot injury the last couple of weeks. So with the 12 day break good chance to get the foot right.
Dimma also said Club doesn't stop any player from needing or wanting to see their family....
Very true, thanks for that
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Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said the club had weighed up the risks associated with Martin travelling to New Zealand during the COVID-19 pandemic, but had concluded that allowing the Brownlow medallist to share time with his dad would be worth the potential fall-out.
"It's a no-brainer for us," Hardwick told reporters.
"He'll head back to see his dad. He hasn't seen him for a long period of time.
"It's a little bit like everyone else; he's travelling back to see his dad, who just happens to be overseas.
"I know it's a little bit challenging with these COVID times, but we'll always support our player who wants to see his family."
The trans-Tasman bubble allows residents of Australia and New Zealand to travel between the countries without having to quarantine.
But it could be shut down if there's an outbreak of the coronavirus in either country.
"All the contingencies have been worked through but there is a very, very small probability that it happens," Hardwick said.
"At the end of the day, you can live your life in fear or you can choose to live. We choose to live."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-richmond-tigers-dustin-martin-dad-new-zealand-covid-19/c6f4b8b4-ca1e-4fd6-87e7-e9dde3b2c5c9
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The media were at the airport ::).
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1387320446714925056
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1387320476620447745
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The AFL has delivered a warning to its 18 clubs: Risk player travel at your peril.
From now on, if players return home for a holiday to see friends and family and that region becomes a Covid-19 hotspot, the league will not help them with exemptions to play upon their return.
In the weekly phone hook-up with football bosses on Tuesday, the league made their new policy crystal clear. The AFL said there had been a disruption at least one per month since November and twice in April.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-covid19-afl-league-hq-tom-morris-dustin-martin-interstate-overseas-trips-exemptions/news-story/49179a7c8d02e0c0b26b5fbe11069a36
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Of course they change the rules when the Richmond champ leaves! How predictable
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Of course they change the rules when the Richmond champ leaves! How predictable
How have they changed the rules?
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Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes said on Nine's Footy Classified that his only issue with Martin visiting New Zealand was that, in his eyes, it wasn't "a good look" that he travelled overseas instead of resting his head.
But Ross Lyon found that school of thought ludicrous.
"He's not flying economy, mate. He's flying first class. I'd row him there. He hasn't seen his dad for a long time. He could go to the moon," Lyon said.
"You know what? He's given, you trust him, that trust is earnt, he deserves it. He'll come back ready to play."
Former Collingwood president Eddie McGuire agreed with Lyon, indicating that mental health must be prioritised.
"He'll come back owing and feeling like he wants to be freed up, rather than sitting there literally like a tiger with a sore head, worrying about his dad and talking on the phone," McGuire said.
"And it shows the maturity that we need to get into our game."
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-richmond-tigers-dustin-martin-new-zealand-dad-ross-lyon/877a0019-9bbb-4665-99ef-0b30fdc5c3f1
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/packing-heat-dustin-martin-turns-fans-heads-as-he-strips-down-in-steamy-bonds-ad/news-story/e612a6f37b26ed796afa7143f10c3889
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9524207/AFL-star-Dustin-Martins-revealing-underwear-pics-attract-explicit-comments.html
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Dusty is back in Melbourne.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-richmond-dustin-martin-trent-cotchin-injury-afl-team-news-nz-trip-covid19/news-story/686532bdeb6faa5e4e4da656195ccb94
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Slow news day.
DUSTY’S $14M REAL ESTATE SHOPPING SPREE
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/214b9e40d1b9fc637c4e012ca8d7edcb)
The Tigers star dropped $6 million in one street alone, buying up big in Richmond and surrounds. This is where he invested.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/how-dustin-martin-is-buying-up-richmond/news-story/de33ef11897f8d51f2472d85373eba4e
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Dustin Martin has returned from New Zealand but will need to pass concussion protocols before he is selected for Friday night’s grand final rematch against Geelong.
Martin was back at training on Monday completing running drills and also caught up with manager Ralph Carr, having visited his exiled father Shane over an extended weekend.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/business-as-usual-for-bolton-as-dusty-returns-to-the-tiger-fold-20210503-p57obo.html)
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Dustin Martin Weighs In On The Syd Vs Melb Debate And It’s Hard To Argue With An Arm That Stiff
By Josephine Rozenberg-Clarke
Pedestrian.tv
May 5, 2021
Richmond Tigers star / Brownlow winner / 3 x Norm Smith medallist / Bonds ambassador Dustin Martin is obviously one of Melbourne’s most famous residents at the moment, which is why the latest campaign for the Aussie brand is centred around him exploring his ‘hood.
The new Bonds Explorer range, featuring cosy trackies, recycled polar fleece jumpers and of course, undies, has an accompanying ad that takes us through a day in the life of Dusty as he works out, goes grocery shopping and ~smoulders~ in a photo shoot.
“We had an awesome day shooting Bonds Explorer – it was cool hitting up my local spots,” Dusty tells PEDESTRIAN.TV. “Kicking off at St. Kilda Baths for an early morning swim, dropped into my local fruit & veg and barbershop for a tidy up and finished at Port Melbourne Shipyard to shoot the campaign.”
Off camera, Dusty says in terms of his downtime in Melbs, he “is pretty boring these days. I like to keep it simple” which to me means that, like the rest of us, he spends most of his spare moments with his (Bonds) trackies-clad butt parked on the sofa watching a dumb show on Netflix. He does say that if he was tasked with taking a newbie around Melbourne, he’d kick off with the must-do: brekkie.
“Start with finding a nice café for breakfast…we have such a good café culture in Melbourne. A walk around the Tan [Track, at the Kings Domain and Botanic Gardens] at some stage and more coffee. Then hit Flinders Lane for dinner — there’s some great restaurants down there. Give them tickets to watch the mighty Tiges at the ‘G. I’d also try to fit in a trip down to the Bay for a swim and sauna and more food and coffee.” Honestly, it sounds great. Where do I sign up for the Dustin Martin tour of Melbourne please?
As a national publication with plenty of readers in Sydney and Melbourne, we’ve gotta ask where he stands on the long-standing battle over which city is better. After all, during his high school years in the early 2000s he lived in Sydney with his dad, so he’s had a taste of both places. But, we are not shocked to learn Dustin Martin is a diplomat who refuses to pick a side. “I love both, but they are both so different so it’s hard to compare. Obviously, Sydney’s beaches are awesome, and the weather is better. Then Melbourne has awesome cafés and restaurants.” That’s not an answer, Dusty! CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER!
Aside from hanging around Melbourne in his undies, Dustin Martin recently clocked up the impressive 250 AFL games milestone at just 29 years of age and attributes his hardiness to “looking after himself”. In fact, the Richmond Tigers superstar subtly dropped a bit of weight ahead of the 2021 AFL season — 3.5kg, in fact.
“I’ve just become more curious about the food we eat,” Dusty tells PEDESTRIAN.TV. “I’ve cut out some things in my diet which has made me lose a couple of kilos. I don’t think it’s really affected my game too much, maybe just a little easier to run around,” he laughs. “I’m sure later in the season it will help more.”
As someone currently doing a 10-week healthy eating challenge through my gym, I of course quiz Dusty about the magic weight loss fix. It’s all about eating cleaner, according to Dusty. “I’m always researching nutrition and finding little things along the way that help me live a cleaner lifestyle,” he says. But there’s hope for me yet, because he admits he does indulge, too. “That said, I still like to have a day or so where I eat whatever I want! Usually the day after a game, I’ll eat whatever… It’s good to have a balance!”
Okay, so I don’t run around a footy field for hours but Dustin Martin said I can have a cheat day, so I’m having the bloody cheat day. Thanks, Dusty.
https://www.pedestrian.tv/sport/dustin-martin-bonds-melbourne/
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AFL superstar Dustin Martin adds an exciting new business adventure to his rapidly growing empire outside of footy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9558255/Dustin-Martin-adds-new-business-venture-rapidly-growing-empire-outside-footy.html
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After the Dees were able to tame Dusty, Chris Scott and Tom Stewart followed suit.
Is there now a blueprint for stopping Tiger superstar Dustin Martin?
Access All Areas with Lloyd & Barrett: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1391603905881018370
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DUSTY DOES IT AGAIN
With a plethora of best 22 players missing, all eyes went to three-time premiership star Dustin Martin.
And the AFL superstar didn’t fail to deliver with the gun onballer leading the Tigers to victory.
In a match that could earn him three Brownlow votes, it was his ability to hit the scoreboard and threaten the GWS defenders with any chance he could moving forward.
Martin ended with four goals from 28 disposals, collecting 15 contested possessions, six inside 50s and five clearances throughout the match.
When the Tigers went down by 28-points during the third term, Damien Hardwick knew something special would have to happen for his club to grab the four points.
But as he does so often, Martin put the Tigers players on his back and led the troops to victory.
“It has been an up and down year, I’m just proud of the boys and we just stuck to what we knew,” Martin told Fox Footy post-game.
“We’ve got so much belief. We’ve got a lot of heart and we showed that tonight. I’m so proud with how the boys went about it.
“Bakes (Liam Baker) is a champion, Dawks (Riley Collier-Dawkins) gets a good look at it. I’m so proud.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-2021-richmond-tigers-vs-gws-giants-round-9-live-scores-updates-video-stream-stats-live-blog/news-story/00b39b2f422c50c251ccb162d90e2ea9
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"We are watching one of the greatest players of all-time, and we should enjoy it while he's still in his prime."
@matthewlloyd18 talks us through Dustin Martin's remarkable performance last night.
Watch: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1393721433595985922
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Dusty helps Bonds kick a $500m goal
The US owner of Bonds says the Aussie underwear brand is now a $500m business, as AFL star Dustin Martin helps it crack the youth market.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/richmond-star-dustin-martin-has-helped-bonds-pivot-to-youth/news-story/a64e62a381aa28d4e397c2be25928934
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Like the side, he just can't seem to string two together this year... :shh
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How to Argue: Brisbane’s brilliant tactic stopped Dusty and his Don’t Argues
Max Laughton
Fox Sports
May 23rd, 2021
It’s not often you see Dustin Martin failing a ‘Don’t Argue’; never mind twice in one night.
But Brisbane went into Friday night with a clear tactic to stop the Richmond superstar, and it kept him to his quietest game against them in years.
Martin has become famous for his fend-offs, using his incredible upper-body and core strength to evade and escape would-be tacklers. Between 2016 and 2020, Martin had 206 broken tackles, double the next-best (Patrick Dangerfield, 103).
But the Lions used simple physics and gravity against him; instead of trying to grab the outstretched arm, they came from above.
Reddit users highlighted the fact Brisbane midfielder Jarryd Lyons, during the third quarter, used the same tactic twice in the space of two minutes.
The first saw Martin go for a trademark fend-off in the forward 50, but as he came towards Lyons, the Lion raised his arms up and chopped down on Dusty’s push-off arm.
This both knocked Dusty’s right arm down towards his body, and then pinned it to his side, with a strong wrap-up tackle allowing Lyons to catch the triple Norm Smith medallist holding the ball.
The second incident made it more obvious the tactic was intentional. After spoiling a Liam Baker kick, Lyons ran towards Nick Vlastuin, who the ball had spilled to.
Vlastuin tried to push off his opponent but Lyons quickly chopped down on the Tigers defender’s arm, countering the act.
He couldn’t pin Vlastuin’s arm down, meaning he had a chance to correctly dispose of the ball, but Vlastuin was forced to dispose mid-tackle rather than while free of his man.
Lyons’ teammate Mitch Robinson tried a similar tactic when he caught Martin holding the ball in the second quarter - come from above the fend-off arm in order to gain leverage.
Robinson actually jumped at Martin to tackle him, meaning his entire body weight came down on Martin’s shoulders and arms, stopping the fend-off attempt.
Speaking on Fox Footy’s Saturday Countdown, Lions skipper Dayne Zorko said the team hadn’t been taught any specific tackling technique to combat Martin, adding it was “just how it unfolded” on Friday night.
But Zorko credited the Lions’ assistant coaches for their improved pressure efficiency.
“We‘ve done a lot of work with Mitch Hahn and Benny Hudson – our ruck coach and our VFL coach – they’ve taken over the tackling department,” Zorko told Saturday Countdown.
“We were able to ping the arm of Dusty a couple of times and make it hard for him to dispose of the football. We’ve been on the end of his stiff-arms way too many times and it was great that the boys were able to get a couple of tackles on him.
“He’s such a strong person to bring down so well done to those boys that were able to tackle him.”
Some Tigers fans argued this should’ve been a free for high contact, but it would’ve been a reasonably strict interpretation of the rule; Robinson’s left arm remained on Martin’s right arm during the tackle, while his right arm landed on the shoulder and was quickly moved to the back.
It’s worth noting many of Martin’s fend-offs could also be declared free kicks for high contact, so these things go both ways.
It’s not as if this is a brand-new tactic, and it’s relatively simple - but given the number of opponents Dusty has made to look silly over the years, it’s clearly not easy to execute.
The Lions just made it look like it was.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/brisbane-lions/afl-2021-brisbane-defeats-richmond-dustin-martin-dont-argue-tactic-countered-jarryd-lyons-video-analysis/news-story/25d9461e3f900d7dfcdbe2a7158423c4?recommendedCount=0
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Eddie tonight said Dusty is playing with a sore foot.
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The media focussing on the big issues as usual ::).
Supermodel Jessica Gomes responds to Dustin Martin rumours.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/supermodel-jessica-gomes-responds-to-dustin-martin-rumours/news-story/aba0037b8fad6f6b383c5c94596d7f5d
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Hope he finds someone younger, maybe a nice strong Maori woman, who can give him 3 or more sons. Maybe one of those tall netballers.
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Dusty sure loves playing against the Bombers :thumbsup:
Round 10, 2016 - 38 disposals, 15 contested possessions, seven clearances, six inside-50s, 10 marks, 263 metres gained, three Brownlow Medal votes.
Round 17, 2016 - 43 disposals, 22 contested possessions, 14 clearances, six inside-50s, six marks, four tackles, two goals, 584 metres gained, three Brownlow votes.
Round 10, 2017 - 30 disposals, 13 contested possessions, six clearances, five inside-50s, five marks, seven tackles, one goal, 356 metres gained, three Brownlow votes.
Round 11, 2018 - 28 disposals, 13 contested possessions, seven clearances, four inside-50s, five marks, one goal, 385 metres gained, two Brownlow votes.
Round 22, 2018 - 26 disposals, 10 contested possessions, six inside-50s, three clearances, 10 marks, four goals, 445 metres gained, three Brownlow votes.
Round 10, 2019 - 35 disposals, 10 contested possessions, eight clearances, eight inside-50s, seven marks, 707 metres gained, one Brownlow vote.
Round 13, 2020 - 30 disposals, 17 contested possessions, nine inside-50s, seven clearances, one goal, 651 metres gained, one Brownlow vote.
Round 12, 2021 - 27 disposals, 10 contested possessions, four inside-50s, five clearances, three goals, six score involvements, 426 metres gained.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/953237/dusty-s-dazzling-dons-dominance-continues
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A different view of Dusty's freakish goal against the Eagles last year (the view is right behind him).
Watch: https://twitter.com/HendoWill/status/1403881654851047426
Enjoy the 'commentary' from Eagles fans and then Dusty shutting them up ;D.
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Footage of Dusty's shot (go to 2:50 min mark): https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1404058679255519234
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Richmond star Dustin Martin had a chance to win the match with 10 seconds remaining when he unleashed a shot from 55m while on the run and under pressure.
But the kick didn't have enough legs in it, with Hurn marking just metres from goal to secure the victory.
"I thought he'd probably kick it, but it just ended up short," Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said of Martin's last-gasp attempt.
"It probably summed up our night really. We just didn't make the most of our chances, and they did."
https://au.news.yahoo.com/kennedy-kicks-winner-eagles-sink-121949609.html
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Could Dusty be considering a move to rugby?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1406411659803955201/L9Ujes3m?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/1406424128576311301
Dusty’s Sydney workout with Sonny Bill
Dustin Martin joined Sonny Bill Williams in a serious Sydney workout. Is he contemplating a code change? Newsbreaker Tony Sheahan with the top sport goss.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/sheahan-ink-dustys-sydney-workout-with-sonny-bill/news-story/d9847c036ee2243b1ac6d818885b8172
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BEST ONE-ON-ONE TARGETS
Tom Hawkins (Geelong): 50 contests, 24 wins, 9 losses (+15 differential)
Dustin Martin (Richmond): 18 contests, 11 wins, 1 loss (+10)
Toby Greene (GWS Giants): 36 contests, 14 wins, 5 losses (+9)
Max King (St Kilda): 44 contests, 16 wins, 9 losses (+7)
Charlie Dixon (Port Adelaide): 75 contests, 23 wins, 19 losses (+4)
This is nothing out of the ordinary, as Tom Hawkins has been the dominant one-on-one player in the AFL for the last decade, with Dustin Martin close behind and winning more one-on-ones per actual contest than the big Cat, as you’ll see below.
BEST ONE-ON-ONE TARGETS (2011-2021)
Tom Hawkins (Geelong): 1019 contests, 428 wins, 222 losses (+206 differential)
Lance Franklin (Sydney Swans): 871 contests, 334 wins, 222 losses (+112)
Dustin Martin (Richmond): 345 contests, 169 wins, 60 losses (+109)
Travis Cloke (Collingwood): 548 contests, 198 wins, 114 losses (+84)
Taylor Walker (Adelaide Crows): 734 contests, 258 wins, 190 losses (+68)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-afl-analysis-champion-index-carlton-bad-defence-best-and-worst-oneonone-players-and-teams-stats-news/news-story/d1ba67ab43d20013b033283d2df98d33
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In response to Cornes saying Dusty has had a lot of quiet games this year, Caro replied she's heard Dusty's been carrying an achilles/ankle injury.
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Feeling Dusty? What the numbers REALLY say about Martin's form
Richmond's finals hopes may rest upon Dustin Martin breaking out his September superpowers early
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
1 July 2021
DUSTIN Martin might need to fast-track his September superpowers this year.
The Richmond champion and three-time Norm Smith medallist has for the past four years been biggest star in the AFL's galaxy of matchwinners. And he's saved his best for the finals series, when his impact has risen – noticeable on face value and also in the statistics.
But the Tigers might need him to bring forward his heroics to just make the finals this season, with the reigning back-to-back premiers losing three of their past five games and clinging on to eighth spot on the ladder with injuries to key players compounding a dip in form.
Martin has again been very good this season, including kicking eight goals in the past four weeks and also averaging nearly 24 disposals in that period.
Compared to his home and away form from 2016-20, Martin is down marginally this year in disposals, kicking efficiency, contested possessions, goals, score involvements, clearances and inside-50s. He is spending 45 per cent of his game in the midfield this season so far, compared to 66 per cent midfield time in his home and away games in the past five seasons.
Martin's special capacity to dial up his performances in the finals series has been perhaps his most untouchable streak.
In his 12 finals compared to his 79 home and away games between 2017-20, Champion Data statistics show Martin averaged more goals (2.2 to 1.3), score assists (2.1 to 1.6), score involvements (9.4 to 7.9), kicking efficiency (61 per cent to 53) and contested possessions (13.5 to 12.3).
Martin has missed one game this year after suffering a concussion in his 250th game in round six against Melbourne, when he was closely tagged by Demons defender Mitch Hibberd. He would still be high in Richmond's best and fairest and has enjoyed several brilliant performances, including in round one against Carlton (31 disposals, 2.2), round nine against the Giants (28 disposals, 4.2) and round 12 against Essendon (27 disposals, three goals).
But if Richmond is going to put itself in a position to contend again for an historic third straight premiership, Martin may have to flick into overdrive a little earlier than has become customary.
Dustin Martin's Impact
2017-2020 H&A 2017-2020 Finals 2021
Matches 79 12 13
Disposals 27.3 24.1 23.4
Kicking Efficiency 53% 61% 52%
Contested Possessions 12.3 13.5 9.8
Goals 1.3 2.2 1.2
Score Assists 1.6 2.1 1.6
Score Involvements 7.9 9.4 6.1
Clearances 5.3 4.6 3.5
Inside 50s 6.1 5.5 5.5
Midfield Time 66% 46% 45%
https://www.afl.com.au/news/639569/feeling-dusty-what-the-numbers-really-say-about-martin-s-form
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See Dusty getting his fingers taped? He’s def off the pace
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Been ordinary for a few weeks, just not himself
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WHO’S NEXT TO JOIN SILK IN THE 400 CLUB?
The most likely option would appear to be Dustin Martin (258). He’s been incredibly durable - he started two seasons later than Dangerfield (275; debuted in 2010) and he’s closed the gap to less than a season’s worth of matches.
Dusty hasn’t always been the type of player we associated with long-term dedication and intense passion for footy, but he has committed himself to the game in recent years and it’s paying off. He turned 30 last week: could he play until he’s 37?
The closest to the Tigers superstar who debuted as/after he did is Luke Breust (2011 debut after being drafted in 2008, 235 games) followed by Mitch Duncan (2009 draft, 233 games), which shows just how far ahead Dusty is.
Brandon Ellis (207) was the first man from the 2011 draft to reach 200 games, while Jack Macrae (174) and Marcus Bontempelli (160) lead the 2012 and 2013 drafts respectively; being part of successful teams certainly helps build your games total faster.
If we had to make a pick though, we’d go with Dusty.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-round-16-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-west-coast-problems-future-400-games-club-record/news-story/bc3ca3353c70c46ef7b3dd7c5e909fdd
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5gbA5AVoAEz1Nu?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1411928327435145222
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Carey is not the brightest spark going around.
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Laughable.
Dusty won't make 400.
I'm not even sold on 350.
300 yes. Somewhere around 325+/- sounds about right.
He's not playing great. Age gets them all.
Even Burgoyne is finished. Should have hung them up last year at least.
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Quality over quantity. This guy plays in the guts and at centre bounces. He won’t make it to 350. Should make 300 and it will be absolutely epic
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Reckon they are basing 300 games on Dusty playing his last 3-5 years (after current contract ends) like Leigh Matthews did as a permanent forward.
Reckon that away he might be a show for 350- 400 games
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Should make the move to Full Forward or Centre Half Forward.
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Anybody else notice the Dusty seems to be taking the easy ways. In the foward line he seems to be running to take the position on the mark and pointing to others to cover the man he was minding. This could happen sometimes but it seams to be happening alot.
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Anybody else notice the Dusty seems to be taking the easy ways. In the foward line he seems to be running to take the position on the mark and pointing to others to cover the man he was minding. This could happen sometimes but it seams to be happening alot.
He panicked with his disposal a couple of times too, something ive never seen
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Either his injured or complete out form been shadow of himself.
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I would rest him for the next 2 weeks. Looks cooked like the rest of them
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Playing far too much inside mid than what he should because we have no choice.
Really should be 80-20 forward-mid but it's gone the other way this year.
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Neil Balme said superstar Dustin Martin is playing sore
Balme said Martin, 30, was dealing with a sore foot that was “bothering him a little bit”.
Hardwick referenced the issue after Martin had been concussed in the loss to Melbourne in round six.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist had a relatively modest 19 touches against the Magpies on Sunday - one of only two times he has not had at least 20 this season when completing a full game. But he had the last of his two 30 possession-plus performances against St Kilda in round five.
“He is coping reasonably well with that [foot]. He won’t want that to be used as an excuse but he still has his impact. We would probably like a little bit more but it might happen this week,” Balme said.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/balme-says-cotchin-like-the-tiger-dynasty-is-not-done-yet-20210712-p588tq.html)
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Pull the pin. Put all the stars out to surgery or R&R ready for next season.
Should’ve done it after the WC game or at least the Stkilda game.
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100% no point rest him.
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Tim Livingstone just said Dusty will be assessed tonight by the medicos on the Gold Coast as he's still sore and we don't want to take any risks before flying out tomorrow. Need to check the impact zone. Livingstone mentioned ribs :-\.
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Probably self evident but the Tigers are officially saying it is a rib injury for Dusty
#captainobvious @FOXFOOTY
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1416012703068397571
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Dusty said he's right for next week. Hope so. Geelong fear him.
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Dusty said he's right for next week. Hope so. Geelong fear him.
Highly doubtful he will play with rib injury.
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Just read on twitter statement from the Club
Dusty is still in hospital being assessed and treated but they confirmed he has suffered damage to his kidney
Club 2ill be releasing a further statement this afternoon
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If that's the case then he'll miss weeks. Probably 2-4 you'd think.
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Tom Morris on Fox Footy this arvo:
* Dusty not on the flight back to Melbourne. He stayed overnight in hospital.
* Damage done to the kidney as the Club statement says (WP's post).
* Will not play next week. Expected to miss at least a couple of weeks. If it's like Lachie Whitfield then that was two months out and even then Whitfield wasn't right when he came back. So Dusty's situation could be season ending if it's on the severe side.
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Dusty goneski for rest of year. Significant kidney damage.
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Wowsers. Wonder what happened. Hopefully not perforated. He looked quite good I thought :(
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Rest up dusty! Come back stronger next season.
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Gone for the season with that kidney injury :(.
Source: RFC's Dr Hickey (via Tom Morris on Fox Footy).
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Update: Dustin Martin latest
Scans have revealed Dustin Martin has suffered a significant kidney injury in last night’s match against Brisbane at Metricon Stadium.
Martin left the field in discomfort after an incident in the third quarter and was taken to a Gold Coast hospital following the win.
Richmond Club Doctor, Greg Hickey said that he expected Martin to make a full recovery.
“Dustin stayed the night in hospital for observation and has been seen by a urologist this morning. He is feeling good and remains stable,” Hickey said.
“Given the delicate nature of the injury and recovery timeline, he will not play football again this season.”
Richmond General Manager- Football Performance, Tim Livingstone said that Martin’s overall health remained the Club’s priority.
“We are incredibly disappointed that Dustin will spend some time on the sidelines but we are focused on his immediate well-being right now,” Livingstone said.
“Dustin is in great hands with the medical and support staff around him and we will support him however we can throughout his recovery.”
Martin will remain in hospital for several days for observation.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/980622
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As much as it sucks, it will also give him a chance to recover from the foot injury he is carrying. Team didn’t collapse in a heap last night after he went down. He will return next year stronger than ever
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Take your time and get well soon.
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Take your time and get well soon.
x2
Main thing is Dusty hopefully makes a full recovery and comes back round 1 next year good as new.
ps. It's just been one of those years with all these bloody long-term injuries :banghead. Just when we get one or two back we lose more and they've all been our stars going down.
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Love you man! Get well.
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Yep footy is secondary here.
Im sure everyone knows how serious this is, and just hope it's a few months off and back to normal.
FU Robinson
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Robinson is a total stuffwit, but I actually don’t think he did anything wrong
Dusty is super human , will be interesting to see how quick he recovers .. might be the freak addition up forward late September
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Dustin "Eddie Paynter" Martin.... :shh
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Didn't want to go hospital straight away wanted to say for Jack 300th that's class.
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Hopefully he gets a few nurses pregnant with future Father Sons or Daughters for Richmond.
:snidegrin
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This is what I posted last night
Dusty not coming back out apparently :P.
Yes he copped a big hit
My 1st reaction was kidneys
Thought kidneys because of how he went down and he couldn't get straight up. And how he was so ginger after the game when he was walking around
Put him cotton wool for the rest of the year even if he makes some sort of miraculous recover.
He is too important to take any risks
Also, agree with Damo; Robinson despite being a flog did nothing wrong in that contest. Two blokes going hard at the footy, at the contest... game is stuffed enough without punishing players for hard contests that are fair
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I have a bit of a love/hate appreciation for Robinson. He's tough and nasty but I've never considered him dirty. I thought Martin was going to steam roll him but he jumped straight up and Dusty stayed down. Bummer.
I suspect if we play finals he will be putting his hand up. Elsewise rest up mate or maybe go see your dad etc.
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Tom Morris on Fox Footy tonight said his sources are saying Dusty may even have a delayed start to the preseason.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl/dusty-injury-the-end-for-the-tigers!806308
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stuff me. Good luck son, get well
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The Sunday Footy Show said Dusty has spent another night in hospital up in Qld and he'll be there for a few more days before coming home.
Also Doc Larkins last night said Dusty was lucky to not lose his kidney by only millimetres.
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Wishing him a speedy recovery. He is a class act. He is courageous and the fact that he shock hands with players after the game despite being in considerable pain shows what a class act he is.
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Dusty braves brutal injury in post-game act proving unbreakable 'toughness'.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dusty-braves-brutal-injury-in-postgame-act-proving-unbreakable-toughness/news-story/185b421efaa825c42f36030a88b58efb
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I have a bit of a love/hate appreciation for Robinson. He's tough and nasty but I've never considered him dirty. I thought Martin was going to steam roll him but he jumped straight up and Dusty stayed down. Bummer.
I suspect if we play finals he will be putting his hand up. Elsewise rest up mate or maybe go see your dad etc.
IF we make finals Martin will play …
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I have a bit of a love/hate appreciation for Robinson. He's tough and nasty but I've never considered him dirty. I thought Martin was going to steam roll him but he jumped straight up and Dusty stayed down. Bummer.
I suspect if we play finals he will be putting his hand up. Elsewise rest up mate or maybe go see your dad etc.
IF we make finals Martin will play …
If we make finals he WILL NOT play
Far too risky, club knows that....
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Tigers superstar Dustin Martin will remain in hospital for at least two more days as he recovers from a kidney injury.
"The doc reckons he's pretty good." - Balmey.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1417045783736582145
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Peter Burge's update on Dusty:
Dustin Martin, kidney, (long-term)
“Really unfortunate for Dustin, and obviously the team. The incident (was) just before three-quarter time. He came off the ground, and it looked pretty bad on the field, and he was obviously in a bit of pain.
“He ran off, and he said he was just winded, but the doctors took him down to the rooms for further assessment, and they were a little bit suspicious there was a bit more going on.
“He was taken to hospital for further scans and observation, and obviously the result was a lacerated kidney, which is fairly serious, and it will mean he can’t take any further part in the season. He is not allowed to have any contact for three months.
“He is still up there on the Gold Coast in hospital. He will probably be released in a couple of days once the specialists give him the all clear and we are looking forward to having him back around the Club again soon.
“All the guys and staff have been really good and sending him get-well messages and all those sorts of things. He is really appreciative of that, and we look forward to seeing him soon.”
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/983626/injury-report-round-19-2021)
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So...if the season gets delayed by a month we could have him back for finals and leave him deep forward?
Tongue in cheek
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Just a bit of well sentimentality. Dustin is about how freakin damaging he is with ball in hand. Doesnt need a lot of pill and fmd not the biggest winner of the pill but his ability to take on the hard kick despite the odd bad one has been second to none. FMD i wish we could find two of hiim.
Just imagine two dusty,s running around .
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6zPoWSVIAMM07z?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1417736283154092033
Very cute :).
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MITCH ROBINSON TALKS DUSTIN MARTIN "FREAK ACCIDENT" COLLISION
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
21 July 2021
Brisbane midfielder Mitch Robinson has labelled his collision with Dustin Martin a “freak accident”.
The two clashed last Friday night, leaving the three-time Norm Smith Medallist with a kidney injury.
Martin remains in hospital and will not be able to participate in contract training for at least three months, ruling him out of the home-and-away season and likely finals.
Robinson said something did feel strange about the collision.
“When he went down I felt something pretty sharp. When you hit someone you can feel something that’s gone in there. I felt a slushy thing in the corner of his hip,” the Lions veteran told SEN’s Pat and Heals.
“He went to bump me and my arm went under his arm and hit him with (my forearm), I thought it was like hip-pointer. I thought it was like a corky in your hip. They’re pretty solid when that happens.
“When he stayed down I thought ‘maybe he’s just winded’ and then when he went off the ground and I saw the replay and he was in a bit of agony.
“I was like ‘oh damn that’s not good maybe it’s a punctured lung or his ribs’.
“I did send him a text. The next day I got his number off one of the boys and sent him a message.
“Didn’t get a reply, but I’m guessing he’s probably been flooded with messages.
“Hopefully it’s not as bad as it says and three months off training is a pretty hectic injury and hopefully he comes back bigger and stronger. It was just a freak accident I think.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/21/mitch-robinson-talks-dustin-martin-freak-accident-collision/
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Richmond star Dustin Martin yet to be released from hospital
Russell Gould
NCA NewsWire
JULY 23, 2021
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin remains in hospital on the Gold Coast and is “more sore than he thought” after suffering a lacerated kidney in last week’s win over Brisbane.
The Brownlow medallist is sidelined for the rest of the season and won’t be back in contact training for three months after he and hard-nosed Lion Mitch Robinson collided in the third term of the game. The knock left the Tiger on all fours once he left the field.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said the star on-baller was in “good spirits” but wasn’t sure when he would be released from hospital.
“Dustin is still in hospital, we are not too sure when he’s going to come out. At this stage it looks likely, hopefully, over the weekend, but we are not too sure at the moment,” Hardwick said on Friday.
“The doctors are still looking at him and making sure he fully recovers.
“He’s sore. He’s a very strong lad, but he’s certainly a lot more sore than he thought he would be. It’s a significant injury, which is why he won’t play football for the remainder of the year.”
Hardwick said Martin was well placed to handle the mental side of missing the rest of the season and being away from his teammates.
“He’d love to be around us, he’d love to be with us, but he’s dealing with it the best he can,” he said.
“The one thing I’d say about Dustin is mentally he handles these things very well, he does a lot of work in that space. He’s in as good a place as he can be at present.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-richmond-star-dustin-martin-yet-to-be-released-from-hospital-after-suffering-serious-kidney-injury/news-story/562f954fdf93c048eacc0fff2c0367f8
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Fox Footy just said Dusty is out of hospital :).
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Richmond will allow superstar Dustin Martin to remain in Queensland as he begins his rehabilitation from a lacerated kidney.
Martin was discharged from hospital on Sunday, nine days after an on-field collision with Brisbane's Mitch Robinson ended his season.
The 30-year-old will stay in Queensland instead of returning home to Melbourne, which remains in COVID-19 lockdown.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/987407/dusty-out-of-hospital-but-not-heading-home-yet
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Dimma when asked about Dusty said no contact for three months. So "back by Christmas".
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12 weeks from incident is early October.
If the season were to be delayed for 2+ weeks and we went deep into finals I reckon he'd be putting his hand up to sit at FF.
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12 weeks from incident is early October.
If the season were to be delayed for 2+ weeks and we went deep into finals I reckon he'd be putting his hand up to sit at FF.
season isn't going to be delayed AFL have made that pretty clear
even if it was he still wouldn't be right to play
3 months of nil contact and at the moment basically no training at all, means no conditioning
Yes, he'd probably put his hand up but he still won't be playing. Too much to lose. Specialists have said not footy for the remainder of this year.. Club won't risk it thank goodness
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Richmond need to make the finals first because his name is mentioned.
Need to win all 4 matches which will be all difficult.
GWS want that spot and North Melbourne move the football better than us.
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Star Richmond midfielder Dustin Martin, who suffered a season-ending lacerated kidney earlier this month, is still in Queensland and must pass more medical tests before being granted permission to fly back to Melbourne.
Source: The Age (https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7364360/hardwick-sad-over-plans-to-scrap-gf-parade/)
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Jake King said his former side is in trouble and not to rule out injured star Dustin Martin returning if the club can play finals.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/why-jake-kings-motorbike-was-seized/news-story/f0f551e39aafb57378bffc95c865d33a)
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Jake King said his former side is in trouble and not to rule out injured star Dustin Martin returning if the club can play finals.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/why-jake-kings-motorbike-was-seized/news-story/f0f551e39aafb57378bffc95c865d33a)
Would respectively suggest Jake concentrate on his Harley being temporarily seized rather than handing out advice to the club on serious medical matters
Dusty will not play again this year, to do so would be a massive risk for Dusty. Club knows thst
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Dusty says he's on the mend.
Watch: https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1423188090420482053
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‘Thanks so much’: Dusty breaks silence after brutal season-ending injury
Fox Sports
August 5th, 2021 6:59 pm
Richmond star Dustin Martin has spoken publicly for the first time since a lacerated kidney ended his season and left him hospitalised in Queensland.
The three-time Norm Smith Medal winner limped from the ground after a bump from Brisbane Lions player Mitch Robinson during the Tigers’ Round 18 win over the Lions in Queensland and was taken to hospital for assessment.
He remained there the following morning as his teammates flew back to Victoria, with the club later revealing he’d be off any form of contact training for at least three months due to the injury.
In a video released on Richmond’s social media platforms on Thursday evening, Martin thanked fans for their support as he looks to reunite with his teammates.
“Hey Tiger army, just a quick one to say thanks so much for all your well wishes over the last couple of weeks,” he said.
“I really appreciate it.
“I’m on the mend, hoping to get home soon so I can get into the club and support the boys. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-dustin-martin-injury-richmond-in-hospital-lacerated-kidney-mitch-robinson-hit-video-to-fans/news-story/fb9e815ff1399e70b1804acd742d9b13
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Ch 7 mentioned that Dusty is now back in Melbourne.
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Dustin Martin, kidney, (season)
“Dustin has been back at the Club this week, recovering from his kidney injury. It is great to see him back. I know the players have had a lift by him coming back in.
“He has lost a little bit of weight, (because) he has had to manage his diet (for his) health a little bit over the last couple of weeks and will do over the next three to four weeks as well.
“He is working with specialists and once he has got the tick off from the specialists, he will be able to resume some form of light training over the off-season.
“I anticipate with the length of pre-season that we are going to have coming up, he will have a great preparation into next season.”
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1002945/injury-report-round-23-2021)
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Leigh Matthews with glowing praise of Dusty. Said he was "awestruck" over what Dusty has achieved on the big stage.
Go to 3 min mark: https://omny.fm/shows/3aw-sportsday/sportsday-with-gerard-healy-jimmy-bartel-and-leigh?t=1m28s
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He's right too, Lethal.
Cometh the moment...
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Inside Dustin Martin's VERY pristine office: AFL star reveals his chic workspace complete with a Tom Ford fashion book and elaborate gold gilded mirror.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9949199/Inside-AFL-star-Dustin-Martins-pristine-office-complete-Tom-Ford-fashion-book-gold-mirror.html
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Dustin Martin aiming to rebuild powerful frame after massive weight drop from injury
Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin continues to wrestle with his slow recovery from a serious kidney injury, which has the Tigers’ medical team rallying around their champion.
Jay Clark and Michael Warner
HeraldSun
9 September 2021
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is on a delicate weight regain mission after losing as much as 10kg in the wake of his season-ending kidney injury.
News Corp can reveal Martin dropped from 91kg to about 81kg in the weeks after the bone-crunching collision with Brisbane Lions’ Mitch Robinson that lacerated his kidney.
Martin, 30, spent nine days in a Gold Coast hospital and was on a fruit-only cleansing diet for about two weeks to help with his recovery.
Fruit diets are a common technique used to treat kidney trauma and help re-cleanse the body.
But it stripped 10kg of muscle and bulk from the three-time Norm Smith medallist, who recently resumed light running and will make a full recovery in time for pre-season.
Martin is certain to play in Round 1 against Carlton in the traditional MCG season-opener.
Tigers’ medicos are pleased with Martin’s progress so far and are confident he will be back to his best by the start of the new season.
However, it understood Martin, who is meticulous in his preparation and training, is considering unveiling a slightly lighter frame for the 2022 season.
Martin has discussed being one or two kilograms below his standard playing weight.
He is widely considered the most powerful midfielder in the competition but the lighter figure could help bolster his speed and running power for the new season as the Tigers try and re-enter the eight in 2022 and shoot for a fourth flag in six seasons.
While Martin has already regained about two kilograms, he has been warned against piling on too much weight back on too quickly.
Richmond’s medical team and strength and conditioning staff are supporting their champion through a steady comeback to full fitness.
Athletes who suffer kidney injuries must avoid contact training for several months.
Martin’s match simulation training is expected to ramp up after Christmas but he will be fine to increase his running, cross training and ball work in the coming weeks.
Martin has been incredibly durable throughout his glittering career, playing at least 20 games in each of his first 11 seasons.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said it burned Martin to miss out on the second half of the season as Richmond missed the finals for the first time in five years.
https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/status/1435516320464846856
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Fruit only for 2 weeks, bloody hell that's rough. I struggle without meat or carbs for 1 day.
As for his weight...well I'd be hoping for less midfield/running and more forward time given his age. But admittedly his best year in 2017 had more midfield time so maybe he's on to something.
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If we had picked up Mitch Robinson this would never have happened😢
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We must have him in the midfield, we were absolutely murdered out of the centre once he went down.
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Dusty splashes $1.7m on ritzy Port Melbourne pad
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has quietly snapped up a luxury pad in Port Melbourne in an off-market deal, boosting his $14m property portfolio.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dusty-splashes-17m-on-ritzy-port-melbourne-pad/news-story/b8fb3994d3c3f4b6b93d37a53cdeeda8
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Perfect.
Build an empire and have some sons, so there's always family $$$ and they never have to leave Richmond for bugger contracts.
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Wow! Dwayne Russell has dethroned Dusty and declared Max Gawn as the most marketable AFL player. No flags, no Brownlow, no Norm Smith medals.
https://twitter.com/djlozza66/status/1438342348765741060
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:lol
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Man some of the takes at the very start of this thread are wilddddd. People were feeling so much love for old mate John butcher that they started throwing personal jabs about it :lol :lol
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Man some of the takes at the very start of this thread are wilddddd. People were feeling so much love for old mate John butcher that they started throwing personal jabs about it :lol :lol
Yep they were some funny times
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Im going to back and have a look after all these years hopefully i didnt engage in the butcher crap.
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What a great first 6 or 7 pages lol. Great reading. Hopefully we draft really well and find our next couple of big stars.
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Dusty 200 career votes. Top 10 ever. Really does put to bed the people that say he’s had one good season (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)
https://twitter.com/conf82/status/1439540766594912258
Brownlow Medal Career Totals
1. Gary Ablett jnr 262
2. Gary Dempsey 246 (218.5 under 3-2-1 system)
3. Patrick Dangerfield 230*
4. Sam Mitchell 227
5. Robert Harvey 215
6. Scott Pendlebury 213*
7. Chris Judd 210
7. Joel Selwood 210*
9. Dustin Martin 202*
9. Leigh Matthews 202
* still playing.
https://afltables.com/afl/brownlow/totals0.html
Most games with 3 Brownlow Votes in first 8 V/AFL seasons:
33 – Marcus Bontempelli
28 – Nat Fyfe
27 – Chris Judd
26 – Dustin Martin
25 – Peter Matera
23 – Patrick Dangerfield
23 – Nathan Buckley
23 – Joel Selwood
https://twitter.com/AusSportStats/status/1439562921558773760
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Richmond GM of football Tim Livingstone has given an update on Dustin Martin’s condition.
The Richmond superstar was in a Gold Coast hospital for over a week with a lacerated kidney after the Tigers' clash with Brisbane in Round 18.
He lost weight after the incident, with the initial diagnosis to avoid contact training for three months.
However, Livingstone expects a routine pre-season for the Brownlow Medallist.
“Dusty (Martin) is going really well, he’s just slowly started training, which is a planned process for him,” Livingstone told Sportsday.
“He’ll up the ante, but I know he’s slowly getting into it and we’ll build up over the next month or so.
“We expect him to be fine to do a normal preseason.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/29/richmond-provides-injury-update-on-dustin-martin/
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"He's tracking great. Richmond would be better placed to answer that..I saw him today and he is tracking fantastically. He'll be right to go for the start of the season."
- Ralph Carr on Dustin Martin
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443842818657566725
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Man some of the takes at the very start of this thread are wilddddd. People were feeling so much love for old mate John butcher that they started throwing personal jabs about it :lol :lol
Where is Tiger Monk now lol I remember being team Dusty from a long way back and had to fight off the John Butcher nuffies lol.
Proud to say picking Dusty was the right call. Lol
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Big shout out to the Martin bandwagon from long ago.
Who knew our pick 3 choice would win 3 norms, 3 flags and a Brownlow.. Stripes, Ramps, MT and WAT it was a pleasure we were bang on lol.
What is Butcher doing now lol?
Martin has been my first selection for some time now. I actually rate him higher than Trengove based on his disposal skills, core strength (breaks tackles), poise in tight situations, ability to win his own ball and overhead ability. Based purely on the footage I have seen, the only pluses Trengove has on Martin is his leadership ability (Capt of SA) and defensive mindset. I have not seen any evidence that Martin does not have a defensive side to his game but can only go on what I have seen on the clips so if someone has seen either player in person please tell me otherwise.
Either way I believe the defensive/team-orientated elements will be drummed into all new recruits and existing players alike where-as offensive skills are much harder to teach.
I will be very pleased if we get Martin but we need to make sure we get the best KPF with our next choice.
Stripes
I agree Stripes.
Trengrove however will captain Melbourne in 6 years time, Martin wouldn't. Trengrove just oozes out leadership very very Ricciuto/Buckleyesk.
Martin is our man.
Deledio, Cotchin, Foley, Martin, Tambling, Collins and Jackson is our midfield that can deliver it to Humphrey B Bear for all I care. There is no point having greats like Matthew Richardson or Brendon Fevola up forward for 10 years if you have the likes of Clinton King, Tim Fleming and Jordan McMahon kicking balls into the forward 50..
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Could never convince Stripes to come back, didn’t like the very personal attacks
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Footy superstar Dustin Martin shows off his dramatic 10kg weight loss as he's seen for the first time since kidney surgery and a freak accident forced him to eat NOTHING but fruit - but WHY is he carrying this bizarre item?
By Andrew Prentice
Daily Mail Australia
1 October 2021
Dustin Martin looked a shadow of his former self on Monday when he was seen for the first time since undergoing surgery in July for a lacerated kidney.
The Richmond Tigers superstar, who was placed on a strict fruit-only diet to help his recovery, appeared noticeably slimmer as he stepped out solo in Melbourne.
Martin looked uncharacteristically slender in light grey tracksuits pants and a black T-shirt that hung off his frame.
He wore a disposable face mask - and bizarrely appeared to be carrying a television remote as he stepped into his car.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/29/12/48538609-10039611-Martin_looked_a_shadow_of_his_former_self_on_Monday-a-35_1632914038500.jpg) (https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/29/12/48525179-10039611-Martin_underwent_kidney_surgery_after_he_was_injured_in_a_match_-m-22_1632913737894.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/29/12/48538611-10039611-image-m-37_1632914095725.jpg) (https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/29/12/48538607-10039611-image-a-43_1632914257937.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10039611/Dustin-Martin-shows-dramatic-10kg-weight-loss-fruit-cleansing-diet.html
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I think the biggest and more important question is - does he have to give back his Jeep?
;D
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He could buy Jeep. Dusty looks like a Panamera boy to me he should give back the Jeep and get a Porsche Panamera.
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Blair Hartley's update on Dusty.
Dustin Martin’s progress:
“He’s tracking really well. He’s had some positive scans. He’s been here doing extra work and he’s tracking well for the start of pre-season. We are pumped for what he can do next year because he’s pretty motivated.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/683990/trade-talk-live-interest-in-eagle-evaporates-forgotten-sun-ready-to-rise)
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"He [Dusty] looks fantastic, he's lost a lot of weight. If he keeps a bit of it off he might be able to play even more in the midfield which will make him even better. He seemed to be in really good shape."
- Neil Balme.
https://twitter.com/RSNBreakfast/status/1447673330685779971
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Dusty ‘unfulfilled’ by incredible AFL success
In 2017 Dustin Martin won a premiership, the Brownlow, the Norm Smith medal and Player of the Year, but all it made him feel was pressure not success.
Dustin Martin reveals all: The Story Continues book extract.
Sunday Herald Sun
October 17, 2021
After climbing to the top of the AFL mountain with his breathtaking on-field performances in 2017 Dustin Martin suddenly found himself with great expectations on his shoulders but little motivation.
He was a ‘human doing’ instead of a ‘human being’.
He needed someone to get inside his head and help him find his purpose.
In this edited extract from a new book The Story Continues by Dustin Martin it is revealed who Martin turns to for mentoring and his exploration of spirituality, self-awareness and self-worth.
Of course, achieving great things doesn’t always lead to fulfilment.
By the end of the 2017 season, Dustin Martin had won the premiership, and the Brownlow Medal, and the Norm Smith Medal, as well as the Gary Ayres Award for best player in the final series, then Player of the Year awards from both the AFL Coaches Association and the AFL Players’ Association, a second straight Jack Dyer Medal, too, not to mention an All Australian guernsey and a host of media awards all lauding his greatness.
Martin turned to another voice that rings in the ears of critical people at Tigerland, the life coach, professional mentor, athlete whisperer and storyteller Ben Crowe.
Crowe was once the youngest ever director at Nike, and in his second career has turned to working with professional athletes to unlock their stories, and their full self.
He has helped world number one tennis star Ash Barty, champion surfer Steph Gilmore, Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson, star wheelchair athlete Dylan Alcott, as well as groups, too – from the Australian cricket side to the senior leadership team at Facebook, a conference of Fortune 500 CEOs and members of the US Special Forces.
At Richmond, he has worked with president Peggy O’Neal, senior coach Damien Hardwick and captain Trent Cotchin – and in early 2018 he found himself face-to-face with Dustin Martin.
‘Dusty was feeling unfulfilled,’ Crowe says.
‘He had achieved, but he was unsatisfied, and was trying to make sense of those feelings, and was frustrated with the expectations of having to do it again next year.’
Crowe has worked with him in a mentoring capacity ever since.
Crowe explains: ‘If Dusty’s self worth is predicated on whether he wins another flag, or another Norm Smith Medal, well, that’s a pretty miserable existence, because he can’t control that.
‘Does that mean if he doesn’t win another one that he’s not good enough, or not worthy?’
‘It’s this idea of a human doing instead of a human being,’ Crowe says.
‘If you have to do something – achieve something – to be somebody, you’ll never be fulfilled or content or at peace or satisfied.
‘So we talked about what he wants to be going forward.
‘Brave and caring?
‘Adventurous and strong?
‘Because he can control that. He can’t control footy results.
‘Dusty was keen to courageously explore the depths of who he is, and find that unconditional self worth.
‘Watching an individual like him lean into something that most alpha males do not has been wonderful to see.
‘He went on that journey, and it’s been beautiful. The exploration of who he is and what lights him up, and what his values are and what his motivations are, and what his purpose is and his goals are – and who he is – has been deep. ‘And it meant he could then answer the second important question: What does he want out of life?’
Life coach Crowe points out that Martin loves poetry and quotes, the Gaia app – which produces documentaries and series about ancient wisdom, the nature of the universe, and unexplained phenomena.
The thing that might surprise people most about Martin, says Crowe, is his spirituality, from his Maori roots to his embrace of elements of Buddhism – not to mention the self-improvement and self-awareness literature on his night stand (such as) The Power of Now, the Japanese book The Courage to be Disliked, as well as Way of the Peaceful Warrior and the Toltec wisdom book The Four Agreements.
‘His voracious reading would surprise the hell out of people,’ Crowe says.
Still, he has his sanctuaries.
The rhythm and thud of a private boxing ring. Hours upon hours in the saddle of a road bike. Silent solo swims in the brine of Port Phillip. And of course the football field itself, in front of a madding crowd.
Martin’s ultimate purpose, in his own words?
He wants to help make people feel loved and appreciated, their lives a bit better and a bit happier.
How does he want to be remembered?
As a loving, caring, loyal person – someone who’s real and genuine, fun and funny to be around.
The values he holds dear are resilience, which he defines as not giving up.
And optimism, including the genuine belief that something positive will come from all experiences, good and bad.
Dusty’s $14m real estate shopping spree‘Are you going to die?’: The day Roughy got his cancer diagnosis
And acceptance, in realising you can’t change what has happened, and accepting this is the superpower that will allow him to move forward without worry.
This is an edited extract from The Story Continues by Dustin Martin (Hardie Grant Books, RRP $49.99). In stores nationally from 19 October.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/dustin-martin-the-story-continues-book-extract/news-story/23dc371e78de7efdc0a3363358c6966e
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How Dusty wound up in Maldives with Serena Williams
Dustin Martin and Serena Williams' tropical getaway set social media alight. ... The mystery of Tiger champ Dustin Martin's tropical escapade with tennis...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/how-dusty-wound-up-in-maldives-with-serena-williams/news-story/2c18c34ddd70d786fc68916372a080ed
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Again?
I hope they're having a kid.
Imagine a dusty son with some of that Williams genetics
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The REAL story of why Dustin Martin was spotted with Serena Williams in the Maldives
By Caleb Taylor
Daily Mail Australia
19:33 EDT, 23 October 2021
AFL superstar Dustin Martin was spotted soaking-up the sun with tennis legend Serena Williams and her husband Alexis Ohanian back in 2019.
And now the real story behind their unexpected friendship has been revealed.
Herald Sun reported on Sunday that Martin and Williams share a mutual friend - Australian celebrity 'mindset coach' Ben Crowe.
Unlikely friends: The REAL story of why AFL superstar Dustin Martin (pictured) was spotted with American tennis legend Serena Williams and her husband in the Maldives Alexis Ohanian back in 2019
The publication reports that Martin was travelling at the time with Hollywood talent agent Jessica Steindorff, who was also being mentored by Crowe.
The group met up thanks to their mutual connection to Crowe, who is also responsible for mentoring the likes of tennis champion Ash Barty.
Dustin surprised fans back in November of 2019 after he was spotted with the American tennis star and her husband.
Stars: Herald Sun reported on Sunday that Martin and Williams share a mutual friend - Australian celebrity 'mindset coach' Ben Crowe. Pictured: Williams and husband Ohanian
In a clip posted to Williams' Instagram, the pair are seen with her Reddit co-founder husband Alexis Ohanian enjoying the sun, sand and surf.
The group were filmed enjoying food and drinks while Ohanian mixed music in the background.
Dustin appeared relaxed, grinning at the camera while enjoying a holiday beverage.
Connection: The publication reports that Martin was travelling at the time with Hollywood talent agent Jessica Steindorff, who was also being mentored by Crowe (pictured left)
Another image showed Martin and Ohanian standing in the shallows waiting to board a speed boat.
Williams has gushed about their time at the idyllic holiday spot in her latest Instagram post.
'Today is our last day in this glorious place, we've had so much fun. We are living our best lives eating fried chicken sandwiches,' she said in a video update.
Fun in the sun: Clips posted to social media showed the group enjoying Australian chef Dave Pynt's renowned restaurant The Ledge as well as getting ready to board a speed boat (pictured)
The footage surprised footy fans, as Martin's friendship with Williams was previously unknown.
'This has to be fake,' one Twitter user noted at the time, while another asked: 'What's going on here?'
The holiday capped off a stellar season for Martin after he helped lead the Richmond Tigers to their second premiership in three years.
https://nation.lk/online/the-real-story-of-why-dustin-martin-was-spotted-with-serena-williams-in-the-maldives-134526.html
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Why Dusty can dominate past 2024
Richmond expects Dustin Martin to make a full recovery from a shocking kidney injury, and is are looking beyond his current mega contract. See why rivals should be worried.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwick-dustin-martin-and-a-string-of-young-stars-can-reignite-the-richmonds-premiership-dreams/news-story/72a755a0a8ef6ff7451df1946988789d
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Why Dusty can dominate past 2024
Richmond expects Dustin Martin to make a full recovery from a shocking kidney injury, and is are looking beyond his current mega contract. See why rivals should be worried.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwick-dustin-martin-and-a-string-of-young-stars-can-reignite-the-richmonds-premiership-dreams/news-story/72a755a0a8ef6ff7451df1946988789d
Per love the topic but not all of us have a HS sub
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I can't get past the paywall either. Just have this pic and quote:
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He could play till he is 38 imho.
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Has slim Dusty lost even more weight? AFL superstar Dustin Martin reveals his slender physique during outing in Melbourne after going on a strict fruit-only diet while recovering from kidney surgery.
Daily Mail
27 October 2021
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10130529/AFL-star-Dusty-Martin-appears-lost-weight-recovers-surgery.html
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Dustin Martin enjoyed an extraordinary season in 2017, winning the Brownlow Medal and Norm Smith Medal to go along with the Tigers' drought-breaking premiership.
But how did he gain such an edge on the competition?
Richmond’s strength and conditioning coach Luke Meehan joined the very first episode of The Inside Game podcast, and revealed how the Tigers superstar trains differently to other players.
"[Martin]'s just so genetically blessed, and very driven," Meehan told host Bec Goddard.
"If anything, we kind of do less than what we would do with other guys.
"He's so powerful and has such brute force, he doesn't require a lot of work in the gym.
"We like to do the bare minimum with him to get the maximum result."
Meehan said Martin's gym workload wasn't as intense as some of his teammates, and also revealed how programs are tailored to each player's strengths, not their weaknesses.
https://www.womens.afl/news/75623
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Martin was left with a lacerated kidney after a collision against the Brisbane Lions in July. His season was prematurely ended and he ultimately lost about 10 kilograms as he was put on a diet predominantly of fruit after surgery.
The 260-game veteran has resumed eating more substantial foods and has been seen running at Punt Rd, prompting Martin to recently declare he felt “better than he has ever been”.
Gale said Martin, listed at 93 kilograms, may opt to not put all the lost weight back on, for this could help him spend more time in the midfield in a season when the Tigers are determined to rebound from missing the finals and return to a premiership threat.
“He is going well. He lost a lot of weight by virtue of his diet after his kidney injury but he looks really, really fit,” Gale said.
“He may choose to keep a bit of that weight off because he is just naturally strong and powerful. It might increase his running power, his transition running, maybe more midfield time. He is just so driven. He is really, really hungry.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/martin-absolutely-capable-of-leading-tigers-gale-20211108-p59720.html)
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dustinlmartin - "It’s great to be aligned with brands I believe in. Pumped to be ambassador for @archiesfootwear. I’ve been wearing them for years so when they approached me it was an easy decision. They look great, are super comfortable and, as they have the arch support, are really good for your feet."
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https://www.instagram.com/dustinlmartin
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The person I spoke to at training today lives near Dusty and regularly sees him down at the local beach. Said Dusty is leaner but looking really fit, ripped and ready to go for a big 2022. Fingers crossed :pray.
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Imagine dusty in the middle for all centre bounces!
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Dusty is back on the training track :thumbsup.
Tonight on @7NewsMelbourne
Dustin Martin returns to the training track after his severe kidney setback… details on his training plans ahead of 2022.
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https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1464466010845581314
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Richmond's Dustin Martin has stepped up his return. 7NEWS captured exclusive vision of the trimmed down superstar back running at Tigerland.
@cleary_mitch has more. #7AFL
Click to watch:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/DustyIsBackTraining27112021.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1464502623101337607)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1464502623101337607
- Dustin Martin is primed for 2022.
- First time we've seen him since losing 10kg and being place on a fruit diet after suffering that kidney injury.
- Noticeably trimmer after ramping up his fitness with indoor sessions over the last 4 weeks with the view to return to light training next month. Even laced up the boots today and did some ball skills.
- Back to full training in January.
- Expected to spend more minutes in the midfield next year.
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Slow news day up in Sydney ::).
Dustin Martin’s Sydney rumour ‘will never go away’
A new-look Dustin Martin has returned to Richmond, but it is his dealings away from the club that keeps bringing a rumour back.
Tyson Otto
News.com.au/Daily Telegraph
November 28, 2021
A new look Dustin Martin has returned to pre-season training with Richmond, but it is his off-season in Sydney that has brought rumours back to life.
The Tigers superstar was pictured this week on the training paddock, revealing his trimmed down figure.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist was placed on a fruit-based diet as part of his recovery and lost 10 kilograms from his playing weight after suffering a lacerated kidney during a clash with the Brisbane Lions.
He spent an extended period in hospital and did not return to play football this year.
However, it has now emerged the 30-year-old has been busy getting fit in recent weeks during an off-season training camp in Sydney with code-hopper Sonny Bill Williams.
The Daily Telegraph reports, Martin has been training in a Sydney boxing gym alongside Williams and has impressed with his performances with the gloves on.
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“You’ve got no idea how hard he hits the bags,” Williams’ manager Khoder Nasser said.
“Seriously, he can really throw ‘em.”
The report details Martin continues to enjoy spending time in Sydney away from the Melbourne fishbowl.
The Sunday Telegraph’s Phil Rothfield writes: “It’s why the rumour will never go away that he will leave his beloved Richmond Tigers and finish his career at either the Swans or GWS Giants”.
It is hardly the first time that Martin has been linked with a desired move to Sydney — something that has repeatedly been denied by the Tigers.
A sly comment from Martin’s manager Ralph Carr in February sent shockwaves through the AFL when he publicly declared Martin had “two years to go at Richmond”, despite remaining contracted through to the end of the 2024 season.
“Dusty loves Sydney,” Carr said.
“He’s there a lot and he originally lived in Camden with his dad. You’ve got to live there to really know how good it is.
“He loves rugby league, too, and he was hanging out with Cameron Munster the other day.”
Tigers CEO Brendan Gale at the time responded to the intrigue by re-affirming Martin remains locked in at Richmond for another three years.
Meanwhile, Martin was showing the benefits of all his hard work in Sydney when he was filmed by 7 News on Saturday looking noticeably slimmer.
He is on a training schedule of light running and kicking drills, and is expected to return to full training in January.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martins-sydney-rumour-will-never-go-away/news-story/9ae50ba49f562643c0f03439b0344abe
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Dusty’s surprising new footwear
Forget famous footy boots, Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has become an ambassador for comfortable thongs straight out of country Victoria.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/goulburn-valley/dusty-martin-signs-on-with-echuca-daniel-jones-orthotic-thong/news-story/d9321ad9f2aa33244f7ed4d169d5c252
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(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f624.png) @DustinMartin is back
Click to watch:
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1465150117787230211
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How horror kidney blow can make Dusty a 400-gamer
Dustin Martin has lost more than 10kg and can’t resume contact training until January. But Richmond’s fitness boss believes the kidney issue will actually help his career.
HeraldSun
29 November 7:00pm
Richmond believes Dustin Martin’s enforced absence late in the season could help extend his career well into his 30s despite a kidney issue that will keep him from full contact training until late January.
Richmond’s stars including Martin, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Dion Prestia returned to official pre-season training at Punt Road determined to right the wrongs of a disappointing 2021 season.
But many of the players have been at the club running for 13-15 weeks given a barren September, with the club’s pre-season likely to double last year’s truncated summer in volume and number of sessions.
Coach Damien Hardwick is on the way back from an American research trip but will have to quarantine for three days under new provisions before returning to Punt Road ahead of Monday’s return for senior players.
Elite performance manager Peter Burge told the Herald Sun Martin was in excellent shape considering the severity of his lacerated kidney in Round 18.
Martin is understood to have lost well in excess of 10kg but Burge said he was exactly where he needed to be and gradually returning to closer to his normal playing weight.
He will progress from running drills to non-contact training to full contact training by late January, but according to Burge is content with his condition.
On his total weight loss, Burge was deliberately vague: “I will say it’s more than 10kg. It wasn’t 20kg, if I can say that. But he’s back pretty close to his playing weight”.
Chatter in Sydney about how Martin might one day want to play in the Harbour City has been discounted by his club and management but Burge sees the silver lining in Martin’s injury after turning 30 in June.
“Dusty will go through a staged process before he gets back to full training. He was running today and it’s really good to see him conditioning and running and he’s happy, which is the main thing,” he said.
“He won’t be in contact before Christmas and he will be kicking and marking and conditioning for another couple of weeks and then post-Christmas he will start non-contact training again and then towards the end of January we will be introducing contact based on specialist advice.
“He is so professional now in his approach to preparation, I have no concerns about Dusty and where he will get to and his body. 12 months go we were talking about how many games he had played in a row and suddenly he’s had a major injury and it was a forced break from the game. I think it can extend the back end of his career by giving his body a chance to recover so he can re-set and go again.“
Martin has three more seasons left on his current deal of just over $1.2 million a season, but after 260 career games with three premierships and three Norm Smith Medals, he should set himself for 400 total games.
“He’s unique and I haven’t seen too many like him in my involvement in footy,” Burge said.
“He is close to the top but what’s important is his preparation. Each year he adds something to his repertoire and when you think about longevity, he is thinking: How can I maintain this level and play this game for as long as I possibly can. He loves footy and he loves playing for Richmond and with his teammates.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-follow-the-latest-offseason-injury-news-and-updates/news-story/b5a5bf03c94f23b42458717e9196ae36
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‘He’ll still be a powerful beast’: How the Tigers rebuilt slim Dusty
By Michael Gleeson
The Age
November 29, 2021 — 5.39pm
Dustin Martin’s lacerated kidney prompted a strategy to cleanse, rest, detox and regenerate his body that the champion player and Richmond’s medicos expect will add games to the back end of his career.
The durable Martin had barely missed games with injury before he suffered the serious kidney problem last year that had him hospitalised for a week and caused him to lose about 15 kilograms.
That break from playing, resting his body and the meticulous diet and cleansing program he adhered to is hoped to have a beneficial long-term effect on his body and extend the 30-year-old’s career.
On Monday, he was back running at Punt Road Oval, still looking noticeably leaner, but there has been no grand plan for Martin to keep weight off.
“We are not on a crusade to make Dusty lighter. He will be the same strong and powerful beast. His strength and power is his number one asset and still will be,” Richmond’s physical performance manager Peter Burge said.
The process of rebuilding Martin began after he spent a week in hospital on the Gold Coast after being rushed from Metricon Stadium where he lacerated a kidney in a collision with Brisbane’s Mitch Robinson.
He was told by doctors the severity of the injury was such that he not only had to avoid contact football for at least three months, but had to avoid exerting himself at all. Specialists also advised him to avoid certain foods, leaving him on a diet heavy in fruits.
“He is really meticulous with his diet anyway, he has cut out certain things over the last few years as he tries to get better. He is very professional with his preparation and is quite lean looking anyway,” Burge said.
“That [change in diet] was just short-term for his health and immune system, there are no ongoing restrictions on diet.
“He had an approach of re-setting his body after the injury. He wanted to cleanse it, with clean eating and starting again to come back stronger inside and outside.
“A lot of athletes look at fasting as a means of building the body back to be stronger. I worked with a lot of Russian pole-vaulters, and they would fast for a month every year because the body recovered stronger. So, there has been a plan for Dusty to rejuvenate and cleanse and come back stronger.
“He had missed so few games over his career, and then he missed this big chunk. The hope is this forced break from football will help him regenerate and give him games at the back end of his career.
“He was not due back until next Monday but has been coming in for weeks. He came out today while main training [for the young players] was on and did his running and conditioning program. I thought he looked really good.”
The incident that stopped the Brownlow medallist and three-time Norm Smith medallist looked innocuous.
“You look back on it, and it is hard to work out how he did it. He collided with Mitch Robinson, and it must have been his hip that caught him. Dusty is very resilient, he gets knocked around a lot, he might grimace, but then he just plays on so if he is hurting something is not right,” Burge said.
The Tigers initially thought Martin had just been badly winded and would be ok. That was what Burge told Luke Hodge when the Channel 7 boundary rider asked him at three-quarter time of the Lions game how Martin was.
“I said he is winded [and] will be back on, then 20 seconds later the doctors came out and said we have to send him to hospital now, we think he has lacerated his kidney.”
The initial prognosis was that he would make a full recovery, but it would be slow. Richmond does not plan for Martin to join contact drills at training until the middle of January.
After a week in hospital in Queensland he spent another two weeks in isolation in Victoria. He felt better but had lost a lot of weight and was under strict instructions to do nothing and be careful of what he ate.
Getting to the point of running again this past week has been slow and painstaking.
“He lost quite a bit more than 10 kilos; it wasn’t 20 kilos as was reported somewhere, but it was a lot more than 10 kilos. He has put on more than 12 [kilos] and he is probably about two kilos under his playing weight.” Martin normally plays at 92-93 kilograms.
“Players had an exemption to come in and use the gym here, but he was not allowed to get a sweat up. Even doing five calf raises, we had to check with the doctors, is that OK? How many can he do? He was allowed to walk, but we had to ask, how fast can he walk? How long for?
“It was not so much about sweating but if you are sweating you are working your abdomen and putting yourself under some stress, and we didn’t want that. It was a slow process, but we wanted to be very conservative with it and Dusty was very patient.
“He feels great. He is very happy to be back running again. He is still down a few kilos so running is a bit easier. He will get that run in his legs and the strength power and muscle will come.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/he-ll-still-be-a-powerful-beast-how-the-tigers-rebuilt-slim-dusty-20211129-p59d4v.html
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THE “FASCINATING ASTERISK” AROUND DUSTIN MARTIN HEADING INTO 2022
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
30 November 2021
David King wonders whether a lighter Dustin Martin could play more time in Richmond's midfield next year.
Martin is back in training after losing 10kg as a result of a nasty kidney injury sustained against Brisbane in Round 18.
King said that Martin’s game style relied on out-bodying opponents, especially in forward 50 where he’s able to isolate opposition defenders.
He feels that the type of role Martin plays remained a “fascinating asterisk” heading into the 2022 season.
“(Martin is) 187cm and was 93kg (before his kidney injury),” he said on SEN Breakfast.
“How many times have we seen him trap (an opponent) at the top of the goal square and use his torso to move his opponent off the footy and bang, he kicks a goal.
“Does he do that through timing or subtlety or does he do it through sheer size…maybe he can get away with it.
“When all players get to over 30 years of age, they try and shed kilos at some point. It just gets harder to do it…this (weight loss) is radical and different and we know that.
“I can’t wait to see (how he comes back), it’s another fascinating asterisk to the start of the season.
“We’ll have a look and see if Dusty will play more midfield minutes.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/30/the-fascinating-asterisk-around-dustin-martin-heading-into-2022/
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SEN host Dwayne Russell believes Dustin Martin should be the 2022 Brownlow favourite, while also giving Essendon every chance to win the premiership.
Martin missed the last five games of the season after suffering a ruptured kidney in Round 18 and is reportedly working towards full fitness.
Despite the 30-year-old shedding weight over the off-season, Russell believes he should be shorter in the odds for the coveted award.
“Well, I think the bookies have got it wrong with Dustin Martin eighth in Brownlow betting, I’d be shovelling him right up the order,” he told SEN’s Dwayne’s World.
“In fact, I’d be putting him number one, I’d be putting him ahead of Ollie Wines, I’d be putting him ahead of Darcy Parish, Jack Steele and Lachie Neale, who are currently ahead of him.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/30/dwayne-russells-two-big-afl-predictions-for-2022/
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Martin is on the comeback trail from a traumatic kidney injury, suffered late in the season which saw him lose 10 kilograms while recovering.
"He's actually now not that much lighter than what he was when he got the injury. He does look good, he looks refreshed, he's running, I'm not sure when he will start his contact training, but I think he was really excited to get back amongst the place we love, which is with the group," Cotchin said.
"I think he put [the weight] back on in the way he wanted to. He's happy, healthy and is looking forward to getting back out there."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/690874/who-will-be-the-next-tiger-king-trent-cotchin-tight-lipped-over-successor)
The 30-year-old has looked lean while working through his running program in recent weeks, with full-contact work not expected until the new year.
However, Cotchin expects a more familiar version of Martin to line up against Carlton in round one.
"Everyone's saying how much weight he's lost but he's actually not that much lighter than he was before he got the injury, right now," Cotchin said.
"But he does look good, he looks refreshed, he's running ... I think he was really excited to get back amongst the place that we love, which is with the group.
"I think he put (the weight) back on in the way that he wanted to, but he looks healthy, he's happy and looking forward to getting back out there."
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-up-and-running-for-richmond-c-4830216
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DUSTY MAKES THE GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS 👏🏼
Dustin Martin has achieved a record and is featured in this year's Guinness Worlds Records book! This is super exciting news, congratulations to Dusty on holding the record for most wins of the AFL’s Norm Smith Medal with 3 wins.
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https://www.facebook.com/dustinmartinfans/posts/335254021932987
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AFL superstar Dustin Martin is seen for the first time since his father suddenly died in December as he steps out to undertake a training session with the Richmond Tigers
By Abu Moustafa
Daily Mail Australia
15 January 2022
AFL superstar Dustin Martin has stepped out for the first time since his father Shane's sudden passing in December.
On Friday, the 30-year-old Richmond Tigers player attended a training session alongside his teammates at Punt Road Oval in Melbourne.
The heavily tattooed sportsman was dressed in his black and yellow training singlet and a pair of black shorts.
He donned high-top white socks and mix of bright orange, yellow and white football boots by Nike.
While at training, Dustin was focused and even cracked a few smiles as he undertook drills with his fellow Richmond players.
During the training session, Dustin joined his team for sprints, ball passing and drop kicks.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10401661/AFL-star-Dustin-Martin-spotted-time-father-suddenly-died-December.html
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“The heavily tattooed sportsman was dressed in his black and yellow training singlet and a pair of black shorts. He donned high-top white socks and mix of bright orange, yellow and white football boots by Nike.”
I’m so glad I was informed on what he was wearing, I will be to sleep now knowing that.
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LISTEN: What sets Dustin Martin apart from the rest
Sophie Welsh
afl.com.au
17 January 2022
DUSTIN Martin enjoyed an extraordinary season in 2017, winning the Brownlow Medal and Norm Smith Medal to go along with the Tigers' drought-breaking premiership.
But how did he gain such an edge on the competition?
Richmond’s strength and conditioning coach Luke Meehan joined the very first episode of The Inside Game podcast, and revealed how the Tigers superstar trains differently to other players.
"[Martin]'s just so genetically blessed, and very driven," Meehan told host Bec Goddard.
"If anything, we kind of do less than what we would do with other guys.
"He's so powerful and has such brute force, he doesn't require a lot of work in the gym.
"We like to do the bare minimum with him to get the maximum result."
Meehan said Martin's gym workload wasn't as intense as some of his teammates, and also revealed how programs are tailored to each player's strengths, not their weaknesses.
Listen to the full podcast in the player below to hear about Luke's approach to strength and conditioning and how it's taken the Tigers to new heights.
LISTEN HERE: https://omny.fm/shows/the-inside-game/richmond-strength-and-conditioning-coach-luke-meeh
This week’s episode guide…
2:55 – What is strength and conditioning?
05:45 – How Luke optimises players' strengths
06:30 – Luke's favourite part about working at Richmond
07:43 – How Covid impacted Richmond’s 2020 and 2021 plans
09:45 – How Richmond's hub gym set-up gave them an edge
13:15 – Luke's contribution to Richmond’s incredible success
15:10 – How Luke helped Dustin Martin win a Brownlow Medal
16:23 – Tapping into different players' strength and conditioning needs
17:28 – Takeaway Tips, fuelled by the John West Protein Plus range
18:31 – Why Luke's allegiances are almost torn
19:24 – Quick Hands: Which player has benched the highest weight? Who's the biggest gym pest?
https://www.womens.afl/news/75623?_ga=2.235703425.1482294730.1641899012-224749430.1603381344
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Dust right: Tigers superstar finally ready to return to full training
In a significant boost for Richmond, Dustin Martin is back to full health after suffering a lacerated kidney last year
By Josh Gabelich
afl.com.au
31 January 2022
RICHMOND superstar Dustin Martin is set to be let off the leash for the first time since suffering a season-ending kidney injury against Brisbane last July.
The Brownlow Medal winner missed the final five games of 2021 after he spent a week in a Gold Coast hospital and lost nearly 15 kilograms following a heavy collision with Lions midfielder Mitch Robinson.
AFL.com.au understands Martin has been cleared to return to full contact training after a steady build-up across the first two months of the pre-season.
Martin has spent plenty of time running so far this summer and completed 70 per cent of the skills sessions in the past few weeks, copping a bump here and there in full ground drills and match simulation as part of his build to this point.
The 30-year-old has regained the strength he lost following the most serious injury of his career, which forced him to not only avoid any contact for three months, but also limited his physical exertion and required him to be meticulous with the food he consumed to help his immune system recover.
Smooth is the word being attached to Martin's recovery. He has had the time to progress gradually since he was discharged from hospital six months ago and now there is a feeling inside the Swinburne Centre that the injury may help extend his career given the reset it has forced him to take with his body.
The four-time All-Australian has already played 260 games – only playing fewer than 20 games for the first time in 2021, when he still managed 16 appearances. Only four Tigers have reached 300 games, with Kevin Bartlett the games record holder (403 games), ahead of Jack Dyer (311), Jack Riewoldt (305) and Francis Bourke (300).
After winning the 2017, 2019 and 2020 premierships, the Tigers found themselves in somewhat unchartered territory late last year when they failed to make the finals for the first time since 2016.
But one benefit of missing out on an extra month of the season has been adding an extra month to the pre-season program, with plenty of players – young and old – benefiting from extra conditioning and skill development, which wasn't possible 12 months ago when the Tigers returned for pre-season in January after winning the 2020 Toyota AFL Grand Final in late October.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/700054/dust-right-tigers-superstar-finally-ready-to-return-to-full-training
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More discussion about Dusty from Barrett and Josh Gabelich here:
Listen here: https://omny.fm/shows/afl-daily/afl-daily-31-01-22
- After losing nearly 14 kilos, Dustin Martin has ticked the final box to return to full contact training
- There were some serious moments of doubt and worry during his rehab
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Go to 1:06 mark:
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https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1488420521465507840
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Tigers provide Dusty update after kidney scare
HeraldSun
February 1, 2022
Richmond star Dustin Martin is back to his usual playing weight and has been cleared to return to full contact training almost seven months after suffering a lacerated kidney.
Martin lost about 15kg after being injured in a collision with Brisbane’s Mitch Robinson in Round 18 last year, but has put the weight back on after a bumper summer on the track and in the gym.
Martin has been completing most of the work on the track with the Tigers’ main group for the past three weeks, but is being integrated back into full contact work this week as preparations ramp up ahead of pre-season matches in early March.
“He’ll be available to play all of those games,” Richmond Physical Performance Manager Peter Burge told News Corp.
“He’s back to his usual playing weight but the main thing is his strength and power markers in the gym. That’s what we’re looking at and typically they line up with his weight being around the same it’s been for the last five or six years.
“Everything’s pretty normal with Dustin right now. He has done a lot of hard work. It’s the hard work here but it’s also the work he does outside as well. He’s got some pretty strong routines.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-preseason-news-every-injury-and-selection-issue-at-your-club-for-the-2022-season/news-story/c8745e6b31d530ed830f99bd733071d1
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'Get that bull back': The Tigers' big plans for Dusty in 2022
Dustin Martin's role is likely to change in 2022 as he looks to rediscover his best form
By AAP
3 February 2022
JACK Riewoldt says there is a "buzz" around Dustin Martin as the Richmond superstar attempts to rediscover his best form this season.
Martin is back in full training after recovering from surgery to repair a lacerated kidney, which cut short his 2021 campaign.
But Riewoldt is confident a reinvigorated Richmond can contend once more in 2022, forecasting a tweak to Martin's role that could help spark the revival upon his return.
"He's got a bit of a buzz around him at the moment and I feel like maybe there is a little bit of hunger there to get back to where he was," Riewoldt said.
"The way we use him this year will be interesting as well.
"He's obviously such a talented player and we may push him into the midfield a little bit more to see if we can get that bull from 2017 back again.
"He will give himself the best chance to be the best version of himself.
"I've got full belief in Dustin. He's always taken his game to the next level.
"Whenever I've thought that he might've been at his peak he's been able to go again.
"We look forward to seeing him back out there and I'm sure the fans do too."
Away from football, Martin has mourned the loss of his father Shane, who died in New Zealand in December.
"It's been a really difficult time for Dustin ... and it's probably been amplified by the fact he hasn't been able to go and see (his father) and didn't get to see him before his passing," Riewoldt said.
"As mates, more than anything else, you just rally around your friend and provide the support you can."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/700807/-get-that-bull-back-the-tigers-big-plans-for-dusty-in-2022
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Is 'Dusty' still the best player in the competition?
Ben Lawless
zerohanger.com
4 February 2022
Before last year’s grand final, there was little debate over who the best player was in the competition. After his third Norm Smith Medal, Dustin Martin had solidified himself as one of the all-time greats and the one player that no one wanted to go against.
Fast-forward a year, and many have started to crown Petracca, Bontempeli, Wines or Oliver as the league's best player. While neither Richmond nor Martin lived up to their high expectations, it wasn’t a lost year for the Tiger's premiership hero.
Prior to his season-ending kidney injury, Martin was still playing elite-level football. While he had taken a slight dip from previous seasons, he was still averaging over 22.5 disposals and over a goal a game. Only Marcus Bontempeli and Christian Petracca managed those averages in the 2021 season.
The drop in his numbers is due to his role on the team. With excellent midfield depth coming through Bolton, Graham, Ross, Baker, Collier-Dawkins, Dow and McIntosh all pushed for stoppage selection last year.
During the Richmond Dynasty of 2017-2020, Martin would spend 66% of his time in the midfield during the home and away season. Comparing that to last season, he only spent 45% of his game time in the midfield. That 32% drop-off in midfield minutes reflects his diminished statistics for the season. For context, his best season over that time was 2017 when he won the Brownlow with close to 30 disposals a game. Last season saw close to a 25% decrease from that Brownlow season.
During the 2021 season, Richmond instead used Martin similarly to how he was used in the finals. Over that same time frame, Martin spent 46% of his time in the midfield. Instead, he was being played more one-on-one up forward. His disposals dropped to 24 per game over the twelve finals appearances, instead of having more of an impact on the scoreboard. score assists, score involvements, goals and contested disposals all increased when played more as a forward option.
Over his career, he has also demonstrated an ability to elevate his game in the biggest matches of the year. As a genuine matchwinner, he has swung the momentum of multiple games off his own boot.
While not performing with the same consistency as previous years, he still was able to assert his dominance throughout last season. Games of four goals/28 disposals (Giants), three goals/27 disposals (Essendon), one goal/34 disposals (St Kilda) and two goals/31 disposals (Carlton) were some game-winning performances that he had throughout 2021.
While Martin has hit his 30s, there is still plenty of high-level football left for the Richmond champion. Missing the end of the season could prove to be a blessing in disguise. This will be the longest break that Martin has had between matches for his entire career. That rest could leave him fresher and more driven than we have seen for the past few years.
Teams should be fearful of what Martin can produce in 2022. With the motivation of missing the finals, a potential captaincy and the tragic passing of his father Shane, expect a bounce-back season for Martin. He might not reach his 2017 career-best football but expect when September rolls around, Martin will regain his throne as the number one player.
https://www.zerohanger.com/captain-less-and-winless-after-round-one-five-burning-questions-richmond-tigers-97294/
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He's clearly not the best anymore.
Still one of the most dangerous near goal.
Probably the best big game player if we get to finals.
Sheds he's 30 though. Not a spring chicken anymore.
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Spin the magnets: The players set for new roles and positions at every AFL club in 2022
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
February 4th, 2022
RICHMOND
Richmond veteran Jack Riewoldt this week flagged teammate Dustin Martin was set for more midfield time in 2022 after playing closer to goal over the past three seasons. After a lacerated kidney ended his 2021 campaign prematurely, a leaner-looking Martin has since returned to Richmond training. Riewoldt on Thursday told reporters: “We may push him into the midfield a little bit more to see if we can get that bull from 2017 back again.” If the 30-year-old can recapture that 2017-like form this season, Tigers fans are in for a mightily exciting season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-new-positions-roles-for-players-mitch-mcgovern-defence-scott-pendlebury-half-back-isaac-heeney-midfield/news-story/7ac15009911351e57ecc27173fbbd5ce
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Grieving Dusty teams up with Rebel’s star trainer
Richmond legend Dustin Martin, who recently lost his father, has enlisted the help of the star personal trainer behind Rebel Wilson’s dramatic weight loss.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dusty-martin-has-teamed-up-with-the-man-behind-rebel-wilsons-shock-weight-loss/news-story/1898c2517c29df835de216867d28f9b2
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Grieving Dusty teams up with Rebel’s star trainer
Richmond legend Dustin Martin, who recently lost his father, has enlisted the help of the star personal trainer behind Rebel Wilson’s dramatic weight loss.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dusty-martin-has-teamed-up-with-the-man-behind-rebel-wilsons-shock-weight-loss/news-story/1898c2517c29df835de216867d28f9b2
AFL superstar Dustin Martin is joining forces with celebrity trainer Jono Castano to launch a fitness app
AFL Richmond Tigers superstar Dustin Martin is teaming up with trainer to the stars Jono Castano.
The 30-year-old midfielder's manager Ralph Carr told the Sunday Herald Sun that they're 'thrilled' to be working with Jono on a 'revolutionary fitness app' to be launched later this year.
Jono is an in demand PT with celebrity clients including Rebel Wilson and Rita Ora.
'I am a huge fan of Jono Castano and the brand ACERO,' Carr told the Herald Sun.
'My partners Dustin Martin, Michael Kathopoulis, Maria Kathopoulis & I are thrilled to be associated and working with ACERO in developing a revolutionary fitness app.
'We all are excited about the release later this year.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10482007/AFL-superstar-Dustin-Martin-joining-forces-trainer-Jono-Castano-launch-fitness-app.html
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Another news shattering day at the Daily Mail :facepalm
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AFL superstar Dustin Martin enjoys lunch with a designer-clad blonde at a trendy Japanese restaurant in Bondi Beach
Dustin Martin was spotted having lunch with a designer-clad female in Sydney's Bondi Beach on Wednesday.
The AFL superstar, 30, looked in good spirits as the pair enjoyed a meal at popular RAW Bar Japanese restaurant - two months after the Richmond Tigers player tragically lost his father Shane Martin.
Dustin showed off his extensive tattoo collection in black shorts and a matching T-shirt as he sat across from the blonde.
He teamed his look with a pair of comfortable white sneakers and carried a crossbody bag for the outing.
Dustin's dining companion looked stylish in shorts, a white crop top and Gucci sneakers
The pair were smiling and chatting away as they caught up over sushi and sparkling mineral water.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/17/00/54291757-10521295-Comfort_He_teamed_his_look_with_a_pair_of_comfortable_white_snea-a-11_1645059516749.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10521295/AFL-superstar-Dustin-Martin-spotted-lunch-date-mystery-blonde-woman-Bondi-Beach.html
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Have boys mate. Lots of boys. Girls too
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Richmond remains hopeful Dustin Martin will be fit for Round 1 after a pre-season setback.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-dustin-martin-misses-richmond-tigers-intraclub-trial-eyes-round-1-return/news-story/cc242151e212bca9d36624a45cd691f2
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Richmond remains hopeful Dustin Martin will be fit for Round 1 after a pre-season setback.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-dustin-martin-misses-richmond-tigers-intraclub-trial-eyes-round-1-return/news-story/cc242151e212bca9d36624a45cd691f2
It’s understood Martin has an adductor niggle, with the club opting to be cautious with their Brownlow Medallist.
“Dustin was pretty close to playing, (it) was a slight hip issue and we expect him to be fine next week,” McQualter added.
Source: SEN
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We should extend his contract to 2027.
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‘Not Richmond’s best’: AFL legend disses Dusty
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has been hailed as one of the game’s greatest players, but AFL legend Kevin Sheedy says he’s not even Richmond’s best.
HeraldSun
20 February 2022
Everyone says that about Dusty, the greatest ever. Dusty is about 2/3 (of the way) up Bartlett’s ladder.”
The argument has merit statistically, with Sheedy declaring the stats speak for themselves; Bartlett played 403 VFL games between 1965 and 1983, is a five-time premiership player, Norm Smith medallist, was Richmond’s captain in 1979, five times club best and fairest winner, four times leading goal kicker for the yellow and black, Tigers Hall of Fame inductee and kicked 778 goals and 781 points.
Bartlett’s win/loss ratio was 67 per cent.
“And I don’t include Brownlows,” the former Essendon and GWS coach said.
Sheedy is the one of the most equipped to offer up his thoughts and critique his contemporaries, or those that followed.
The 74-year-old played 251 games for Richmond, he also coached Essendon football club and was appointed the Greater Western Sydney Giants inaugural coach for a total of 635 games.
Martin on the other hand is widely considered one of the best of his generation, some even suggest he is among the best of all time.
He’s played 260 games for the Tigers for a win/loss ratio of 57 per cent – 10 per cent less than Bartlett.
But his playing career speaks volumes; he is a two time best and fairest winner for Richmond, four times All Australian, three times Norm Smith medallist for best player in a grand final and three times premiership star.
The 30-year-old has 291 goals and 195 behinds but has played more time in the centre than Bartlett did, who played the majority of his football up forward.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/not-richmonds-best-afl-legend-disses-dusty/news-story/44dd6418fa4d838086215b2c6679a2a8
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KB was my hero as a kid but the comparison is stupid.
It says KB played majority of his games as a forward?
Prior to 1980 didn’t KB play majority midfield? Wasn’t the reason he contemplated moving to Essendrugs was because TJ was taking him out of the midfield to play him as a forward flanker?
Wasn’t he named Rover in our team of century?
This doesn’t seem right unless he played mostly forward in the 60’s and 70’s
I wasn’t old enough to remember much about the 70’s games but what I’ve seen from the black and white replay footage it looks like he played mostly midfield.
Trying to compare goals scoring ability back then without defensive zones and when there was regular ability for a team to kick over 20 goals a game even in a loss is also dumb.
In 1980 the KB finals series was probably the greatest thing I’d ever seen until I witnessed Dusty Martin play in winning finals. The comparison is really silly and do is Kevin Sheedy.
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Im in my 30s so not privileged to see KB play. Happy to have the debate, it’s a nice problem to have and Dusty would probably find it flattering he’s Mentioned in that company. What I will say Dusty has going for him is he’s playing in an 18 club comp, came to the club when it bottomed out, comprised draft and had to deal with Ruck taps from Hampson for a bit and also has to contend with umpires and AFL actively cheating to shaft Richmond with regularly anti Richmond rule changes and lopsided fee kick counts.
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I saw KB play about 300 of those 403 games, he was the greatest rover I've ever seen. He then turned into the greatest goal sneak I've ever seen.
Dusty has KB covered, he just needs to go forward now ... :bow
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Dusty’s unusual link to new florist cafe
A new florist cafe has opened near the city selling bouquets and French cakes, and boasting this unusual link to the Tigers superstar.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/food/greek-restaurant-greca-street-opens-to-fanfare-in-heart-of-oakleigh/news-story/69962c201e4a07721b994a6882a1d1ae
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Dangerfield still can't tackle Dusty :snidegrin.
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1497398078088822788
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I know it’s a practice match but that redirected my blood flow
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https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1498178403174072320
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Hardwick backs rejuvenated Martin after ‘nervous’ return from injury
Jon Pierik
The Age
March 3, 2022
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has revealed Dustin Martin was initially nervous in his comeback last weekend but says there is no reason why the superstar Tiger cannot again be the best player in the competition.
Martin had his first match last weekend since he suffered a serious kidney injury in last year’s round-18 win over Brisbane. While the 260-game veteran was rusty in the three-goal win over Geelong, he played most of the four quarters and there were glimpses of his brilliance.
Last year he finished equal fifth in Richmond’s best and fairest but his form before the injury wasn’t at the gold-plated level of 2017-20, when the three-time Norm Smith medallist and Brownlow winner was consistently a destructive force.
However, Hardwick said the expectation for Martin, who will turn 31 in June, was that he would be back to his dynamic best in a year when the Tigers hope to again challenge for the flag.
“It’s obviously a significant injury he is coming back from,” Hardwick said at the Fox Footy season launch on Wednesday.
“He had his first hitout really on the weekend. He was the first to admit in the first couple of contests he was a little bit nervous about what that would look like when he raised his arms. But he grew in confidence and got better as the game wore on.
“Our expectations should be the same – he is a match-winner, he is one of the best players in the competition, if not the best player in the competition. We just expect him to play his role, which is a silly thing to say, but that’s what we require of him.
“He works incredibly hard on every facet of his game. That’s why he is one of the best players in the league. I am looking forward to watching him play. I know most people are as well.”
Former Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said this week Martin, Leigh Matthews and Wayne Carey were the best three players he had seen.
Martin shed significant weight after his surgery because of the diet he was restricted to but he is now back in mint condition, ready to be a game-turning force through the middle of the ground and forward of centre.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hardwick-backs-rejuvenated-martin-after-nervous-return-from-injury-20220302-p5a0za.html
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Who is the league’s best player?
... while this may seem odd to say, a healthy Dustin Martin may have a point to prove despite his place in history already being confirmed.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/stop-press-the-afl-storylines-to-watch-out-for-in-season-2022-20220221-p59y7k.html
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Is Dustin Martin Still the Best Player? | SEN
LISTEN HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l09GN9fI8k4
Garry Lyon and Tim Watson discussing who the best player is.
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No and he hasn't really been since 2017. Not saying his GF performances haven't been sensational.
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AFL great Luke Hodge tips Dustin Martin to accept time has come for huge shift
Luke Hodge believes the Richmond superstar is ready for an ‘impactful’ move inspired by his great mate Trent Cotchin.
Glenn Valencich
7news
17.03.22 3:25PM
AFL great Luke Hodge has suggested the time is right for Dustin Martin to accept the slow transition away from being Richmond’s big dog in the middle.
That, though, does not equal an expectation that the 30-year-old has lost any kind of edge - far from it.
Martin faced a tough road back to full health in the off-season after suffering a lacerated kidney in a collision with Brisbane hardman Mitch Robinson last year.
An acre between the midfielders closed up within a matter of footsteps, sending Martin crashing to the turf in a way he has avoided for so much of his 260-game career.
“I think you just look at how Dusty attacks things - he knows that that’s a part of football,” he told 7NEWS.com.au.
“He goes in there hard. Normally when he hits blokes they get injured, this time it was a freak contact.
“It didn’t look like it was much but it just got him right in the sweet spot. If you run into Mitch Robinson, arms and knees are going everywhere.”
Richmond held on for victory that night at the Gabba, ending a four-game win streak to sit just outside the eight on percentage, but Martin was the latest in a flurry of injuries that doomed their finals chances.
With their first extended pre-season since 2016 now complete, Hodge believes the Tigers retain the right mix to reach September in 2022.
Shai Bolton became the answer when Dion Prestia went down earlier in the season while Riley Collier-Dawkins, Liam Baker and Jack Ross all stand to grow into expanded roles this year.
So what becomes of their all-conquering Brownlow medallist and three-time Norm Smith Medal winner?
Hodge only needed to look to Trent Cotchin, who has experienced his own transformation this season by giving up the captaincy, reshaping his game to realise what’s possible for Martin.
“(Richmond coach Damien Hardwick) knows if they need goals you can put him at full forward and clear out the forward line,” the Channel 7 AFL commentator said.
“And I think you get to the stage in your career where you don’t have to be in the middle getting all the clearances. You can rely on other people.
“I remember Cotch clearly made that decision a few years ago when he saw Dusty coming through. Cotch went from having 30 to 35 touches a game to having 20 to 25, but as a leader it was more impactful for Richmond because he was letting Dusty go in there.
“(Cotchin) was there as a safeguard and a bit more of a defensive midfielder, playing the team role like senior guys should do at times.
“I think Dusty’s at that age now where he knows that he doesn’t have to be in the middle. He can play forward, he can rest forward, he can give some responsibility to the younger midfielders.
“They’ve got pretty much a full list back. I wouldn’t be surprised - yes, you’ll see Dusty start in the middle and try to dominate, but you’re also going to see him resting forward at times because he can turn a game with two or three goals.”
Martin, who took time off during the pre-season to mourn the sudden death of his father Shane, has been backed in for round one after overcoming a minor hip issue in February.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-great-luke-hodge-tips-dustin-martin-to-accept-time-has-come-for-huge-shift-c-6079398
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Big game for this man tonight. Let’s go
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Did anyone else think that Dusty might have twinged a hammy tonight? Felt like he wasn't a factor in the last qtr and spent a lot of time forward.
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I'm going to say what I really think here.
I reckon dusty is on the decline and has been slowly for a couple of years or so. His best is still amazing but will be fewer occasions and farther between.
His breakaway pace has dropped off and he doesn't break tackles these days, has been the focus of attention for so long I think teams have figured out how best to play him.
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To be honest I'm more annoyed at how he simply doesn't contest at times. His best will still be brilliant I'd imagine but needs a better group around him to help him get there.
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I'm going to say what I really think here.
I reckon dusty is on the decline and has been slowly for a couple of years or so. His best is still amazing but will be fewer occasions and farther between.
His breakaway pace has dropped off and he doesn't break tackles these days, has been the focus of attention for so long I think teams have figured out how best to play him.
Agree, think Dusty will play a more cameo role in the side rather than being a game breaker, sad in a way but it happens to all champions eventually.
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I'm going to say what I really think here.
I reckon dusty is on the decline and has been slowly for a couple of years or so. His best is still amazing but will be fewer occasions and farther between.
His breakaway pace has dropped off and he doesn't break tackles these days, has been the focus of attention for so long I think teams have figured out how best to play him.
Agree, think Dusty will play a more cameo role in the side rather than being a game breaker, sad in a way but it happens to all champions eventually.
Correct. He’s not in his prime anymore. Petracca and Cripps are.
The wheel turns. Time to find and find the next heroes.
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Did anyone else think that Dusty might have twinged a hammy tonight? Felt like he wasn't a factor in the last qtr and spent a lot of time forward.
No mention of Dusty in Dimma's presser nor the AFL website's list of injuries in the match report. Not that that's any guarantee.
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Did anyone else think that Dusty might have twinged a hammy tonight? Felt like he wasn't a factor in the last qtr and spent a lot of time forward.
No mention of Dusty in Dimma's presser nor the AFL website's list of injuries in the match report. Not that that's any guarantee.
No, but he did stretch it a few times after kicking that goal in the 3rd, then from then on basically went to centre bounces and drifted forward. A watch for during the week.
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He’s fried
Still a gun, but not nearly what he was
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Did anyone else think that Dusty might have twinged a hammy tonight? Felt like he wasn't a factor in the last qtr and spent a lot of time forward.
No mention of Dusty in Dimma's presser nor the AFL website's list of injuries in the match report. Not that that's any guarantee.
No, but he did stretch it a few times after kicking that goal in the 3rd, then from then on basically went to centre bounces and drifted forward. A watch for during the week.
I rewatched that part of the game. Dusty does bend forward to stretch and then does a quick feel at the top of his back right leg.
Later on early on the last he does kick long with his right foot from HB. He has another short around the body kick on his right only about a minute later. Dusty also attends two centrebounces in the last but only touches it once when he kicks the ball into Cerra. The only query is near the end of the game when Dusty kicks with his left to Baker. Dusty did though walk off the ground fine along with rest of the team and he had nothing on his leg.
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To be honest I'm more annoyed at how he simply doesn't contest at times. His best will still be brilliant I'd imagine but needs a better group around him to help him get there.
The 2017-2020 team around Dusty allowed him to be more aggressive with where he stood at stoppages and not worry about the defensive side of the game too much. However, with our now weaker midfield, he at least got caught out twice in the last quarter not being defensively minded at stoppages which allowed Cerra to stand on his own defensive side of the stoppage and then freely get goal side to receive and win the clearance.
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Dusty didn't train today. With a 10 day break he was "told to rest up".
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1506176378198274050
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Interested to see if he hits the track on Thursday/Friday or whenever our main session is. I still reckon he has a hamstring niggle.
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HUN, The Age and AFL website all saying Dusty has taken personal leave from the Club
Apparently Dimma said it in his weekly presser
May not play this Sunday
Take as much time as you need Dusty
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Hope he's ok.
Another shock retirement pending?
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Hope he's ok.
Another shock retirement pending?
Wouldn't surprise me,
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Hope he's ok.
Another shock retirement pending?
Wouldn't surprise me,
He's done it all thrice (like Barty), but he can see the other side of the mountain, and it's looking like a steep downward incline. Why hang around? His earning capacity probably stays unaffected and he doesn't have to put his body through another few years of hell..for probably little result.
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Hope he's ok.
Another shock retirement pending?
Wouldn't surprise me,
He's done it all thrice (like Barty), but he can see the other side of the mountain, and it's looking like a steep downward incline. Why hang around? His earning capacity probably stays unaffected and he doesn't have to put his body through another few years of hell..for probably little result.
This, or he's still struggling re: his dad.
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Ralph Malph said on twatter (yes I know) that he still intends to play on Sunday...... :shh
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If it is it is. He has served us well.
He should have no regrets if he pulls the pin.
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This, or he's still struggling re: his dad.
I would think this ^
Losing a parent is bloody tough; especially losing the one that has been the biggest single influence in your life (speaking from experience here)
I remember Ma Powell saying that it isn't the first 3 or so months that are the toughest when you lose someone but the 3 or so months after are. She said it was then the phone stopped ringing and you actually got to stop that it really hit you. She said that's how it was for her when my Dad passed away
Personally I never understood it until Ma Powell passed away and it happened to me too. Even though I had my significant other to support me out of nowhere the pain really hit me about 3-4 months after she passed.
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He can play until he 36 or 37 thats another 6 or 7 million bucks he will earn on field not including off field endirsements. If he is struggling mentally give him 12 months off hopefully he comes back rejuvenated. And people writing him off at 30 as a player have no idea the man is star he'll come back strong. We just need a few blokes to fly the flag with him and not chuck it in like they did last week.
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This, or he's still struggling re: his dad.
I would think this ^
Losing a parent is bloody tough; especially losing the one that has been the biggest single influence in your life (speaking from experience here)
I remember Ma Powell saying that it isn't the first 3 or so months that are the toughest when you lose someone but after 3 or so months are. She said it was then the phone stopped ringing and you actually got to stop that it really hit you. She said that's how it was for her when my Dad passed away
Personally I never understood it until Ma Powell passed away and it happened to me too. Even though I had my significant other to support me out of nowhere the pain really hit me about 3-4 months after she passed.
This! (Well said by the way WP)
Dusty losing his dad while overseas in NZ would add another layer. Dusty would've loved to have played a Grand Final with his dad watching at the ground.
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Well said WP, research shows grief can't properly be unpacked until 12 months after the traumatic event of losing a loved one. It's way bigger than any type of injury. Feel for our great Dusty, take all the time you need legend and get all the support you need.
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Losing his father has clearly impacted on him and will continue to impact on him. He was close to his father and his father has only very recently passed. He deserves to time to grieve. Everyone grieves differently. It is a horrible experience to go through(Like probably many on this site I know this from personal experience).
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It would be nice if some others actually dug in and delivered in his absence like he did many times for them.
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Dusty to be named in the squad for Sunday according to 7news.
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All this speculation about Dusty. I thought we weren’t allowed to speculate or ask a simple question without getting accused of spreading rumours :shh
Maybe it’s ok to speculate now :rollin
Can I ask a question too?
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All this speculation about Dusty. I thought we weren’t allowed to speculate or ask a simple question without getting accused of spreading rumours :shh
Maybe it’s ok to speculate now :rollin
Can I ask a question too?
Nice cheap shot, noted >:(
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FWIW Tom Browne just said he asked the Club tonight if Dusty will play on the weekend and not surprisingly the Club replied they don't know.
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After what Dusty has achieved and the threat of losing a kidney, plus the fact that he has maybe 1-2 years left, I get it.
There is a long life after footy.
Best wishes to him whatever he chooses.
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Sounding grim lads. He may be done
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While down last week he was still our most potent offensive mid and probably the only mid who racked up some decent stats.
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The Herald Sun reported Martin’s plan was still to play this weekend, but Richmond was putting no pressure on the midfielder, whose mental health is the club’s No. 1 priority.
Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph told Fox Footy that Martin’s absence is due to him still battling the grief of his father’s death.
“My understanding is he’s just heartbroken by the loss of his dad, who of course was a mentor, and he hasn’t really been able to find a person to replace him. Such an integral part of his life and just a great person to be a sounding board for him,” he said.
“Quite possibly (he’ll play this week). Dustin Martin has told the club that he still very keen to take on GWS on Sunday at the MCG despite missing this week’s training session so far with personal issue.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-takes-personal-leave-dad-shane-martin-death-lacerated-kidney-injury-richmond-vs-gws-giants/news-story/235a716d31e6d6fc9856f40844c126e5
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Understandably, Dusty not playing this week.
Source: RFC website.
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No timeline for grieving Martin’s Richmond return
Richmond has strongly denied speculation Dustin Martin could quit football as he takes an indefinite break from the game to mourn his father Shane.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-takes-personal-leave-from-richmond/news-story/c0fb30a6dd369f969e6a62ebad830e10
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Heard the story today
Ducking disgusting creatures some people
There’s a line you do not cross
Lucky I wasn’t sitting around those Carlton scum supporters
😠
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Carlscum fans are the worst.
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What did the Carlton supporters do? Feel free to DM.
Or was it just the booing?
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From Tony "I get nothing right" Sheahan ::).
Is ‘sensitive’ Dusty Sydney-bound?
Fears have been raised over the mental health of star Tiger Dusty Martin, with speculation he may soon retire. But could he also be considering playing for Sydney?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/fears-tigers-star-dusty-martin-is-battling-mental-health-issues-and-may-retire-or-move-to-sydney/news-story/5d6cef0d01da121e0c1bb229bb5a242c
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If he did want to go to sydney thats fine ... Oli Florent, James Rowbottom and Chad Warner can come the other way to Punt Road.
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Further disgraceful reporting by a HUN "journo"
Though when we're talking about Mike's son Tony, journo is not the word I'd use
Is it too much to ask to let the bloke have some space and time.
As I posted the other day it can be bloody tough grieving. The loss can hit you when you least expect it and hit hard so damn hard
Dusty needs time to do things at his own pace and way. I don't think it asking too much
Articles like this don't help. But I'd expect nothing less from Tony Sheahan and the HUN
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Heard the story today
Ducking disgusting creatures some people
There’s a line you do not cross
Lucky I wasn’t sitting around those Carlton scum supporters
😠
Think I just heard the "story"
Disgusting if true.
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Dimma post-game talking about Dusty:
No clarity on Dustin Martin’s return, says Hardwick
By Damien Ractliffe
The Age
March 27, 2022 — 7.38pm
Champion midfielder Dustin Martin owes the Tigers nothing, according to Richmond coach Damien Hardwick, who said there would be no pressure on the superstar to return from personal leave.
Martin sat out Sunday’s win at the MCG over the GWS Giants after taking indefinite personal leave during the week.
Hardwick said Martin, whose father Shane died suddenly in New Zealand in December last year, would be given the space he needs.
“It’s just society in general sometimes,” Hardwick said.
“Dustin Martin is a wonderful player. Do we want to see him play? Yeah. But also, it is what it is. It’s a personal issue, and we leave it at that.
“Dustin has repaid this club 10 times over.”
Asked whether he had a timeline on when Martin could return, Hardwick said: “I’ve got no clarity.”
“It’s a personal issue, and we’ll just leave it at that, and we’ll work our way through it,” he said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/no-clarity-on-dustin-martin-s-return-says-hardwick-20220327-p5a8e8.html
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said he has spoken with Richmond "insiders".
- Meeting with manager Ralph Carr at 7pm tonight.
- Dusty still processing the death of his dad.
- Hasn't been back to the club since he left for personal reasons.
- No timeline on when he will return.
Geez, thanks for telling us nothing new, Tom ::).
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Tigers superstar Dusty Martin remains on personal leave from the club. Chief Football Reporter @TomBrowne7 has spoken with Richmond insiders and has the latest. #7AFL #7NEWS
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1508351353642360834
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There's a growing confidence that Dustin Martin will be back playing in a matter of weeks, countering speculation that he might never play again.
Caroline Wilson claims that Richmond never believed that Dusty would retire from the game.
#9FootyClassified | Tonight on @Channel9
https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1508352112845012992
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Wgaf
Just leave him alone.
What will be, will be...
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Que Sera Sera
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‘Needs time to heal’: Tigers gun Dustin Martin ‘considering his future in the game’
Fox Footy
March 28th, 2022 8:57 pm
Richmond’s Dustin Martin is “considering his future in the game” according to a leading journalist, with coach Damien Hardwick saying the superstar is “taking his time to figure out what he needs to move forward”.
The triple Norm Smith medallist took a mental health break away from footy last week. He did not play against GWS on Sunday and is dealing with personal issues including the death of his father Shane last December.
Tigers coach Hardwick said after the Round 2 win over the Giants the club has “no clarity” over when Martin will return.
Speaking on Fox Footy’s AFL 360, Hardwick was asked if Martin was considering stepping away from the game.
“I think Dustin’s taking his time to figure out what he needs to move forward,” Hardwick said.
“And as we’ve spoken about, he’s had a really tough six months, none tougher than what he’s had to deal with, first with the injury and then with the loss of his father. He just needs some time to heal.
“Grief is really like an injury, there’s no two ways about it, you have to get some treatment to make yourself heal, and he’s just taking the time to do that.
“His father was incredibly close to him, obviously from a parent point of view, but also his best mate so it was going to take some time, and we’re prepared to give him that. He’s such an important part of the fabric of our football club. We miss him, but not on the footy field, just in the club.”
Martin, who has played a mammoth 261 games since his debut in 2010, is no sure thing to return to the footy field according to AFL journalist Sam McClure.
“He’s considering his future in the game, I don’t think it’s overdramatic to say,” he said on 3AW’s Sportsday.
“You can read between the lines of what the club has been saying, with Damien Hardwick yesterday. Dustin has really been struggling and you can understand that, with the injury he went through, with losing his father who was in another country.
“He’s climbed the premiership mountain, Norm Smith medal a few times, he’s lost enjoyment in the game. I think all the people around him are just trying to give him the time he needs to not make a rash decision when his heart is broken.”
McClure added: “The people you speak to say since the death of his father, he has been a different person around his love for footy.
“He’s been less smiling at training, less vivacious because he’s such a big personality inside the four walls of Richmond, we know he’s shy with the media, but he just hasn’t been that.
“It’s great for him that he’s recognised that and he’s got great people around him, and he’s got a great footy club as well.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-future-retirement-mental-health-break-heart-broken-after-death-of-dad-shane-martin-richmond/news-story/2a6f0a54db45e4fb99ba99f2205a4d25
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The scroll down the bottom of On The Couch oddly had Dusty "expected to return to training tomorrow".
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/OnTheCouchAboutDusty28032022.png)
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FFS Just leave the bloke alone to grieve
Insensitive scum
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“He’s considering his future in the game, I don’t think it’s overdramatic to say,” Sam McClure said on 3AW’s Sportsday.
“You can read between the lines of what the club has been saying ..."
McClure added: “The people you speak to ..."
How would McClure know?! All that's third hand at best and most likely just made up ::).
he has been a different person around his love for footy.
“He’s been less smiling at training, less vivacious because he’s such a big personality inside the four walls of Richmond, we know he’s shy with the media, but he just hasn’t been that.
Grief is not trivial like someone else thinking you're not smiling as much ::). It's complex and not linear. When I lost my dad 9 years ago things initially felt very surreal. The hardest time can be months afterwards when everyone else has moved on with their lives and the reality of person's death really sinks in. One thing for sure from my experience is you don't show your grief in public. Being busy with people around you and having your mind occupied with the daily things of life is actually a distraction. It's often the quiet times when you're alone that it hits you and you ball your eyes out. Most of all the grief process takes time and the timeframe is different for everyone.
So called footy journos "reading between the lines" to have a 'story' for their TV and radio shows and newspaper articles is pathetic. As WP said, leave Dusty alone to grieve FFS!
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"Dustin confided in some teammates that maybe he was wondering whether he had the heart to continue to compete at the highest level and the club got really worried about this."
Caroline Wilson on the evolving Dustin Martin situation.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1508408852223606792
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Tell me something when buddy took time off for his mental health were these losers digesting his situation for weeks like they are now?
I think it’s a disgrace if you ask me.
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Tell me something when buddy took time off for his mental health were these losers digesting his situation for weeks like they are now?
I think it’s a disgrace if you ask me.
Buddy copped heaps .. there was rumours flying around about third strikes etc that were utter rubbish
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In talking about news stations?
I do recall those rumours but they was the general public from what I recall.
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I got the chat screenshot this morning saying that Dusty had beat up an Uber driver... ::)
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Grief is not trivial like someone else thinking you're not smiling as much ::). It's complex and not linear. When I lost my dad 9 years ago things initially felt very surreal. The hardest time can be months afterwards when everyone else has moved on with their lives and the reality of person's death really sinks in. One thing for sure from my experience is you don't show your grief in public. Being busy with people around you and having your mind occupied with the daily things of life is actually a distraction. It's often the quiet times when you're alone that it hits you and you ball your eyes out. Most of all the grief process takes time and the timeframe is different for everyone.
So called footy journos "reading between the lines" to have a 'story' for their TV and radio shows and newspaper articles is pathetic. As WP said, leave Dusty alone to grieve FFS!
:clapping
Spot on MT
Grief impacts us all so differently and as I posted previously it can hit you out of nowhere and hit bloody hard.
Ma Powell has been gone 17 years this September and I still have the odd day where I still get over powered by the grief. My birthday is coming up and it is one of the days that still impacts. Why? Because every b-day of my adult life at 9.05am my Mum would phone me and sing "Happy birthday ". To this day I still want that phone to ring, it doesn't, it won't and it still hurts. That hurt has got better over time but it is always there.
So I suppose the point I'm trying to make (probably badly) is that we have to let people grieve in their own way, in their own time and their own space. It is called support and respect and it is the single biggest thing we can do.
Time is the most crucial thing and having Insensitive f-wits speculating about someone's grief and pain is one of the lowest thing you can do. The media should hang their collective heads in shame
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I got the chat screenshot this morning saying that Dusty had beat up an Uber driver... ::)
Heard this too yesterday and was wondering when someone else would mention it. I don’t believe it, there’s no way that stays quiet in the media…
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It can take a long time to overcome.
When my dad died of course i was upset at the time but managed to put it aside and just moved on. It was probably easy for me living on the other side of the country .
Funny thing is all this time later i will look at a photo of him and be upset for hours.
Grief it never goes away we don't realise it is always there and it comes back and hits us at the oddest moments.
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"Dustin confided in some teammates that maybe he was wondering whether he had the heart to continue to compete at the highest level and the club got really worried about this."
Caroline Wilson on the evolving Dustin Martin situation.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1508408852223606792
Caro's full comments:
Wilson had faith he’d be back soon while providing further insights into Martin’s tough past six months.
“It’s a mystery that is hovering over the entire football landscape. My firm belief is that he will come back to play,” Wilson said.
“What has emerged now have been the incredible highs and lows that have been hovering over Dustin and the Richmond Football Club since he came back after a lacerated kidney. The massive weight loss, the shock loss of his beloved father, Shane.
“The club underestimated just how shattered he was by the loss of his father, of course he visited him so many times since he was forced back to New Zealand.
“What was happening was Dustin would turn up in great form and great shape one day, and then he’d turn up the next day and he just wasn’t there emotionally. And this went on and on and on for weeks and weeks and weeks.
“Dustin confided in some teammates that maybe he was wondering whether he had the heart to continue to compete at the highest level and the club got really worried about this. And forced a decision where they said, ‘go away and get as much time as you need, because this isn’t working.’
Wilson said she believed Martin, who’s contracted until 2024, would return in the not-too-distant future, because “the club is confident”.
“It is a big thing to walk away from that amount of money, and no one is underestimating how hard it has been for Dustin Martin and everyone understands what Damien said about grief being like an injury.
“The view of the club is, he is more likely to take as much time as he needs and I believe he’ll certainly be back by the middle of the year at the very, very latest.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2022-dustin-martin-retirement-return-mental-health-break-heartbroken-after-death-of-dad-reasons-explained/news-story/d2cfa315ff2ec018498aeb7803aece92
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Sam Edmund on SEN said he touched base with Ralph Carr who said there's no new developments but there may be later on in the week.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=975835
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Dear Dusty: If you walk, we will simply say thank you
In a heartfelt note to one of the game’s greatest players, Mark Robinson tells Dustin Martin that he has every right to walk away from the game.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dear-dusty-if-you-decide-to-retire-we-understand-and-thank-you/news-story/de51b64a30f6661ae455079958627ffa
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"People close to him expect him to come back." Robbo and Gerard discuss Dustin Martin's personal leave.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1508727378138173440
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Richmond star Dustin Martin’s struggles ‘clear’ to players, club as Jack Riewoldt pleads for best mate’s privacy
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
March 29th, 2022 8:39 pm
Richmond players saw teammate Dustin Martin was “struggling” following the shock death of his father in December, with teammate Jack Riewoldt now pleading for his best mate’s privacy.
Martin has stepped away from the game with the full support of the club, as rumours swirl he may never return to the game.
Riewoldt addressed the matter on AFL 360, and said he just wanted to see Martin find “what he needs to find”.
“I’ve text him… a lot of players have text him. He’s responded to a few guys but is taking his time to deal with what he is dealing with,” he said.
“Dusty is one of my best mates. We’ve been through obviously great experiences that people would have seen on TV, watched us in grand finals together.
“He’s a very fun loving character and that part of Dustin we haven’t seen as much of.
“I think it was probably clear to a few of us that he was really struggling before he even knew it himself. But I’m glad that he’s identified it and has not tried to push through.
“I’m glad he is identifying it and trying to fix it and trying to get himself back to being the best Dustin he can be.”
Riewoldt said there was a “fine line” for Tigers players, fans and media approaching Martin about his welfare.
“Kane Lambert, for example, he has a hip injury and every day he gets to the football club and people show care and ask him how he’s going. If you get asked 20 times during the day every day, ‘how’s your hip, how’s your hip’, it starts to become frustrating,” Riewoldt explained.
“I’m not to know that the next person's asked him about it.
“It’s a fine balancing act between reaching out to contact him and also letting him heal himself.”
Describing Martin as the “face of AFL football”, Riewoldt urged the media to give the 30-year-old space.
“How’s the media going to treat him now his mates, the club, people who know him are crying out for people to step back and leave him alone?” Riewoldt questioned.
“He could go full paparazzi – I’d be guttered and disappointed if that happened.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl360/richmond-star-dustin-martins-struggles-clear-to-players-club-as-jack-riewoldt-pleads-for-best-mates-privacy/news-story/7986e4e3589f4de12ec5664945540d44
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Jack was interesting, it seems like Dusty has been noticeably struggling for a long time. I don't think we will see Dusty back for some time. Hope it turns out positive, I so desperately would love to see him back, not because he makes us better but just be a really sad way to finish off the career of the best player Ive seen in our yellow and black.
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Well said be Jack last night. Good on him putting it back on the media to leave Dusty alone.
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Jack Riewoldt stressed his support for Dustin Martin as the superstar Tiger takes personal leave away from the club.
"Whatever Dustin needs from us, we'll provide him," Riewoldt said.
"We're here for 'Duz' when he needs us.
"He's obviously going through his own pathway now and when that time comes that he feels comfortable to walk back, and it's got nothing to do with playing, but come back to the football club, we'll welcome him back with open arms.
"So looking forward to that day."
Source: AAP (https://www.naroomanewsonline.com.au/story/7681799/riewoldt-eyes-afl-return-against-saints/?cs=4783)
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Meanwhile, Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is no closer to returning from personal leave.
"We have no further update at this stage. It's still at the same stage that we had last (week)," Hardwick said.
"We give him time and we wish him all the very best, and we can't wait to welcome him back at some stage.
"When that is, we're not too sure."
Hardwick chose not to disclose further details, brushing off questions about whether Martin is training while away from the club.
"I appreciate that everyone does want to know where we're at but we'll keep our cards pretty close to our chest," Hardwick said.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/731532/tigers-making-king-plans-still-unclear-on-dusty-s-return)
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I’ve never been prouder of the club.
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Good on your Hardwick.
Give them as little as possible
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Good idea to be on the front foot with the media. Well played.
I've always wondered if the players get paid when they go on personal leave, I suppose they do like any sick leave but miss out on the match payments element of their wage.
Will be interesting to see how long this goes on for.
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Heard tonight on the news them saying Dusty's situation is a "mystery" :facepalm. What's mysterious about a poor bloke grieving for his late dad who was also his best mate?! What idiots! ::)
As for journos and what they are "hearing" ::) - Dusty if he is talking to anyone would only be talking to those few closest to him and they wouldn’t be leaking anything. FFS, will the media just leave him alone!
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Heard tonight on the news them saying Dusty's situation is a "mystery" :facepalm. What's mysterious about a poor bloke grieving for his late dad who was also his best mate?! What idiots! ::)
As for journos and what they are "hearing" ::) - Dusty if he is talking to anyone would only be talking to those few closest to him and they wouldn’t be leaking anything. FFS, will the media just leave him alone!
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Dusty makes surprise wedding cameo
Richmond star Dustin Martin has emerged from his footy hiatus to attend his mates big day, appearing front and centre in the celebrations.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/richmond-superstar-dustin-martin-makes-cameo-at-friends-wedding/news-story/48c9abfeddc41ee219f08528c7ec9dba
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God’s special message to Dusty
As the Dustin Martin rumour mill kicks into overdrive the longer he remains away from Richmond, Gary Ablett Sr has spoken of his own dramas before taking a break from the game.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-latest-news-on-dustin-martins-personal-leave-from-footy/news-story/57f619208da1134be148232c64365915
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Describing Martin as the “face of AFL football”, Riewoldt urged the media to give the 30-year-old space.
“How’s the media going to treat him now his mates, the club, people who know him are crying out for people to step back and leave him alone?” Riewoldt questioned.
“He could go full paparazzi – I’d be guttered and disappointed if that happened.”
If the media are stalking Dusty at private weddings then they have already gone full paparazzi :thumbsdown.
ps. Waits for the Daily Mail to publish pics taken from behind the bushes ::) :chuck.
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Describing Martin as the “face of AFL football”, Riewoldt urged the media to give the 30-year-old space.
“How’s the media going to treat him now his mates, the club, people who know him are crying out for people to step back and leave him alone?” Riewoldt questioned.
“He could go full paparazzi – I’d be guttered and disappointed if that happened.”
If the media are stalking Dusty at private weddings then they have already gone full paparazzi :thumbsdown.
ps. Waits for the Daily Mail to publish pics taken from behind the bushes ::) :chuck.
The irony is on 360 the other night when Jack said the above
Robbo said he'd be gutted if the media did that and which gutter rag is leading the paparazzi chase, none other than the "newspaper " Robbo writes for
Murdoch media are a disgrace on so many levels
Does anyone really need anymore proof?
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Describing Martin as the “face of AFL football”, Riewoldt urged the media to give the 30-year-old space.
“How’s the media going to treat him now his mates, the club, people who know him are crying out for people to step back and leave him alone?” Riewoldt questioned.
“He could go full paparazzi – I’d be guttered and disappointed if that happened.”
If the media are stalking Dusty at private weddings then they have already gone full paparazzi :thumbsdown.
ps. Waits for the Daily Mail to publish pics taken from behind the bushes ::) :chuck.
The irony is on 360 the other night when Jack said the above
Robbo said he'd be gutted if the media did that and which gutter rag is leading the paparazzi chase, none other than the "newspaper " Robbo writes for
Murdoch media are a disgrace on so many levels
Does anyone really need anymore proof?
Taking a publicity photo of a UK hip hop group, blurring out their faces and then trying to pass them off as an African gang in Melbourne is hard to top. Not to mention hacking dead people's phones and all the rest. Murdoch media are the scum of the Earth. No surprise they are now stalking Dusty :thumbsdown.
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ps. Waits for the Daily Mail to publish pics taken from behind the bushes ::) :chuck.
Right on cue.
Dustin Martin is spotted at a mate’s wedding as his indefinite leave from Richmond continues while he deals with grief over father’s death
Richmond star Dustin Martin made his first public appearance since taking indefinite leave from football for personal reasons.
The three-time Norm Smith medal winner was spotted at a wedding at the Port Melbourne Yacht Club last Saturday, to celebrate the marriage of BoxingFit boss Mick Hargraves and his partner Vicky Sim.
Martin attended the ceremony with long-time friend and former West Coast Eagles player Michael Gardiner.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/02/09/56124749-0-Dustin_Martin_was_involved_in_the_celebrations_-a-6_1648887860411.jpg)(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/02/09/56124751-0-The_Tigers_midfielder_attended_the_wedding_last_week-a-7_1648887872394.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10678751/Dustin-Martin-spotted-mates-wedding-indefinite-leave-Richmond-continues.html
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He looks depressed at the wedding.
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If he watched that embarrassing effort then expect him to retire next week
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Long time friend Michael Gardiner.
As I live and breathe. Some of these footy connections blow me away sometimes. Gardiner would be what 40 odd lol
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He looks depressed at the wedding.
Oh really Dr.Phil...you can tell all that from a couple of photos? Fmd you post some utter stuffing dribble... :thumbsdown
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Long time friend Michael Gardiner.
As I live and breathe. Some of these footy connections blow me away sometimes. Gardiner would be what 40 odd lol
Probz knows him via Ben Cousins
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He looks depressed at the wedding.
Oh really Dr.Phil...you can tell all that from a couple of photos? Fmd you post some utter stuffing dribble... :thumbsdown
What’s your problem? Have I offended you in some way? What’s the issue? Do you want to lie down and talk?
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Dustin Martin is spotted having brekky with a mate in Sydney while on indefinite leave from Richmond
A relaxed-looking Dustin Martin has been spotted in the Sydney beachside suburb of Cronulla as the Richmond star remains on indefinite leave from the club.
Martin was snapped enjoying time at Ham Harry & Mario with an unidentified friend, just two blocks from Cronulla Beach.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/05/02/56226351-10686263-image-a-16_1649122395089.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10686263/Dustin-Martin-spotted-having-brekky-Sydney-Garry-Lyon-says-Tigers-spent-force.html
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Dustin Martin bulks up Richmond property portfolio
Larry Schlesinger
Australian Financial Review
Apr 5, 2022 – 3.57pm
AFL superstar Dustin Martin and his manager Ralph Carr have extended their spending spree in Melbourne’s inner east, after purchasing a fourth commercial building on Butler Street in Richmond.
The three-time Richmond Tigers premiership player and Mr Carr, whose firm Ralph Carr Management has its office on Lennox Street in Richmond, now own a row of warehouse-style buildings with a combined footprint of nearly 900 square metres running from 23 Butler Street to 37 Butler Street.
The sale of 23 Butler Street set a land record for Richmond.
The street is a block away from Victoria Street, one of Richmond’s main retail strips, known for its Asian eateries and grocery stores. It is also less than two kilometres from the Melbourne Cricket Ground, where Martin inspired the Tigers to three premierships in 2017, 2019 and 2020.
The latest acquisition by the pair and a silent partner was 23 Butler Street, a two-storey commercial building on a 156sq m site, which sold at auction on March 16 for $2.75 million.
Agents Matt Hoath and Rory White from Gray Johnson confirmed the sale price but declined to comment further.
The price paid under the hammer achieved a record land rate for Richmond of $17,628 per square metre.
According to one onlooker at the March 18 auction, bidding from three parties pushed the price for 23 Butler Street more than $1 million above expectations.
“There was bidding frenzy,” the onlooker said.
The property, which sold as part of a deceased estate, was previously a photographic studio.
Property partnership
Mr Carr and Martin share ownership of the Butler Property Group, which they established 2016 and has focused on buying office and retail property in Richmond, an inner-city suburb where commercial property values have soared in the past few years as more businesses have relocated from the CBD.
Last year, Butler Property Group No.3, which includes Gold Coast businessman Chris Bissiotis as a joint owner and director alongside Mr Carr and Martin, paid $1.275 million for a refurbished warehouse at 37 Butler Street.
Mr Carr and Martin made their first acquisition on Butler Street in 2016, buying a warehouse at 29-31 Butler Street for $2.2 million.
Two years later they bought another warehouse at 25 Butler Street for $2.915 million.
Martin, who won the AFL’s Brownlow Medal in 2017, also owns a two-level renovated office building at 367 Victoria Street, which he purchased for $3 million in 2019. He is currently taking a break from football for personal reasons.
Mr Carr, Martin and Mr Bissiotis are also joint owners of a retail and office property at 407 Victoria Street in neighbouring Abbotsford, purchased for $4.8 million in 2020.
Outside the partnership, Mr Carr listed 9 Clifton Street, a converted, heritage office building leased to Brown Brothers, for sale earlier this year. He purchased the property for $3.05 million in December 2008.
In December, he sold a commercial building at 28-34 Rooney Street in Richmond for about $12 million. Title deeds show a caveat in favour of Andrew Gutwirth, managing director of Melbourne pipe-maker Multec.
https://www.afr.com/property/commercial/dustin-martin-bulks-up-richmond-property-portfolio-20220405-p5aaxa
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People on twitter are trying to interpret this Ralph Carr tweet tonight.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPkmuHuacAQ_m3u?format=png&name=small)
https://twitter.com/RalphCarrRCM/status/1511281738135511043
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Sydney bound rumours are gathering momentum
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I know this sounds blasphemous, but if Dusty does go to Syndey and we can get decent compensation and free up a bunch of cap space for a Tom Green type, then it may not be the worst thing in the world for our rebuild. Not sure I could stomach seeing him in another jumper though….
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Dusty in a Swans jumper :chuck
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From most likely to least likely (IMO):
Retiring
Staying
GWS
Swans
:shh
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I know this sounds blasphemous, but if Dusty does go to Syndey and we can get decent compensation and free up a bunch of cap space for a Tom Green type, then it may not be the worst thing in the world for our rebuild. Not sure I could stomach seeing him in another jumper though….
I agree.
He's given us everything, and to be honest when you look at the vile crap the media does to him who could blame him for wanting to get out of the fishbowl?
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So what is he worth as a contracted player?
3 first round picks and a player at least
Hopefully he is feeling better and he gets back to playing before our season totally falls apart.
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At 31 years old, no he's not worth 3 first rounders. We would likely get Sydney's 1st and maybe a 2nd or a half decent player
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At 31 years old, no he's not worth 3 first rounders. We would likely get Sydney's 1st and maybe a 2nd or a half decent player
Especially if there will be ??? over his commitment (if he chose to leave)
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Dustin Martin’s Richmond return a case of when, not ‘whether’, according to Neil Balme
Ronny Lerner
Fox Sports
April 6th, 2022 12:17 pm
It is not a matter of “whether” Richmond champion Dustin Martin will play again, but a matter of “when”.
That’s according to senior Tigers advisor, and legendary football operations manager, Neil Balme.
Martin has taken leave from football to deal with personal issues, including the untimely passing of his father Shane in December.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist hasn’t played since Round 1, and questions have hovered over his future in footy, despite him being contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2024.
Balme said Richmond was “suffering” without Martin at the moment, but that when he returned, he would repay his team handsomely on the field.
“The ‘Dusty’ challenge is there, of course he makes us a lot better team if he plays, and do we want him to play? Yes, we want him to play. If we could make him play, yes we would,” Balme told RSN on Wednesday morning.
“But the thing that I’m proud of about footy nowadays – and our club particularly – is that we do take the person into account more than just the club.
“We know that if we do the right thing by him and allow him to work through his stuff then when it’s his turn, he’ll give back a lot to us as well.
“Now, we’re suffering for it at the moment, but that’s the price you pay.”
Balme wasn’t sure when Martin would return to Richmond’s senior line-up but said it would happen when the 2017 Brownlow medallist was ready.
“Because they’re his issues and we’ve allowed him and we’ll help him as much as he wants us to help him but it’s essentially up to him,” Balme said.
“It’s a personal issue with him that he’s got to get himself organised and we know he loves playing footy so it’s not a matter of whether (he will play again), it’s just matter of when.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-updates-dad-personal-leave-neil-balme-confident-star-will-return-to-richmond-tigers/news-story/920d684556a3d20e172d75ec4798c1d3
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Cornes talking ignorant crap again. Clearly he's never lost anyone close to him if he expects to know a specific timeframe for someone to grieve ::).
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My father died very young.
I feel for Dusty.
Personally I did not have the luxury or choice to stop working.
I just got on with it.
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I wonder when / if there is a line with Dusty. Chatting to a mate here said he wouldn't care of Dusty day at home and ran his contact down, he deserves that.
I'm unsure if I agree entirely, but got me thinking how long would were give Dusty. Halfway point of the season? The rest of the season?
Before we start getting a bit edgy in wanting him back.
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Hope he gets back soon but reckon it's forced others to stand up and I'm liking it.
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Somewhere between mid season and end season
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I wonder when / if there is a line with Dusty. Chatting to a mate here said he wouldn't care of Dusty day at home and ran his contact down, he deserves that.
I'm unsure if I agree entirely, but got me thinking how long would were give Dusty. Halfway point of the season? The rest of the season?
Before we start getting a bit edgy in wanting him back.
Yesterday
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I wouldn’t be upset about him coming back for the first game after the bye
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Great point few have had to stand up sooner then later with or without Dusty has to happen.To be honest if he said I'll retire tomorrow I would say thank you very much for your service your club champion he owns us nothing.
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Hardwick said there is no update to Martin's status, with Richmond still unable to put a timeline on the three-time Norm Smith medallist's return.
"He's got our full support to go about his business and achieve what he needs to achieve," Hardwick said.
"We'll be fully supportive of that and there's no rush from our point of view."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/741057/triple-premiership-tiger-set-to-return-winger-in-iso)
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Tom Browne on 7news claims he spoke to Ralph Carr who said he's not going to give a running commentary but he's optimistic Dusty will be back soon and won't retire.
Go to 0.50 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1514527522025009152
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Im still hearing people who are in coteries at a couple of big melbourbe clubs saying he wants to finish his career in Sydney and get out of the melbourne fishbowl. Is it time to cash out or cash in?
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Im still hearing people who are in coteries at a couple of big melbourbe clubs saying he wants to finish his career in Sydney and get out of the melbourne fishbowl. Is it time to cash out or cash in?
Well if that's the case then as I said earlier we should be looking to maximise his trade value and target Green.
No hard feelings to Dusty and tbh I wouldn't blame him. Bloke can hardly fart without someone taking a effing photo of him.
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Im still hearing people who are in coteries at a couple of big melbourbe clubs saying he wants to finish his career in Sydney and get out of the melbourne fishbowl. Is it time to cash out or cash in?
Coterie members from other clubs? Seriously?
Like they'd know.
No disrespect Ramps. But I'd put no credence in what other club supporters think
Just like I gave no credence to a bloke who 3 weeks ago announced to a group of us that he'd be retiring the next Wednesday or Thursdsy. He had a reliable source he said. Guess what his reliable source was wrong.
End of the day none of us know. We just need to give the bloke time and respect his need for time. I don't think it is that hard.
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This hiatus has been long enough.
Time to play now, he should at least be back by Anzac Day eve.
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Im still hearing people who are in coteries at a couple of big melbourbe clubs saying he wants to finish his career in Sydney and get out of the melbourne fishbowl. Is it time to cash out or cash in?
Coterie members from other clubs? Seriously?
Like they'd know.
No disrespect Ramps. But I'd put no credence in what other club supporters think
Just like I gave no credence to a bloke who 3 weeks ago announced to a group of us that he'd be retiring the next Wednesday or Thursdsy. He had a reliable source he said. Guess what his reliable source was wrong.
End of the day none of us know. We just need to give the bloke time and respect his need for time. I don't think it is that hard.
Coterie members from Collingwood and Essendon. I think maybe a few clubs have asked the quedtion about what ge wants to do and as I said the people who told me said the same thing. Im just telling the forum what thry said.
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I don't think dusty will finish up elsewhere. Full credit to Carr, Dusty is set up financially probably better than any player in history. He doesn't need a twilight career at a club and state away from home.
I'd believe more that he wants out of the fishbowl and retire.
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A huge thanks to the AFL's Dustin Martin for his support of our program.
Dustin recently provided signed footballs for participants in our program to show his support of what our Mentors are doing for the mental health of young Australians.
#dustinmartin #AFL #Veteranmentors
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https://twitter.com/VetMentorsAU/status/1516208285015105539
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Get well Dusty but I wouldn't mind knowing when or if he is coming back?
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Source totally unreliable but anyway:
Sign Dusty’s self-imposed break may be about to end
After weeks of speculation about his AFL career, Tigers superstar Dustin Martin has raised hopes he will soon make a comeback to Punt Rd.
Tony Sheahan
HeraldSun
April 19, 2022 - 7:54PM
AFL superstar Dustin Martin is back in Melbourne and training, with speculation he could soon return to the game.
Martin was spotted working out at a friend’s gym in Port Melbourne on Easter Monday, raising hopes he will soon make a comeback with the Tigers after a self-imposed break.
The triple premiership star’s last game was Richmond’s opening round clash with Carlton on March 17.
Days later coach Damian Hardwick revealed Martin needed time out to process personal issues, including the sudden death of his father Shane.
Friends of Martin said at the time, he even thought about retiring.
But it is understood the 261 game midfielder is considering joining teammates at Punt Rd as early as this week.
It is very unlikely Martin would be an option to play in Richmond’s Sunday night blockbuster against ladder leader and reigning premier Melbourne.
However friends of the 2017 Brownlow Medallist confirmed to the Herald Sun he wanted to play again soon and could participate in the club’s main training session this Thursday morning.
Whenever he returns, it will be an enormous boost for the Tigers who sit 11th on the ladder after two wins from the first five matches of the season.
It is believed Martin spent much of the last month in Sydney as he grieved the death of his father in New Zealand in December.
Richmond agreed to his request for time away, deeming it best for player and club, with Hardwick declaring last month: “He’s just taking some personal time at the moment’’.
“We’ll give him his time,’’ Hardwick said.
“He’s so important to the fabric of our footy club, we just want to make sure he’s OK and he’s getting what he needs.”
Martin shared a close bond with his father, who had ties to the Rebels motorcycle gang and was deported from Australia in 2016 on the grounds of bad character.
Shane Martin, who was 54 when he died, watched his son win the 2017 flag and Brownlow from New Zealand in 2019 and told the Herald Sun he dreamt of returning to Australia to watch his star son play again.
Martin told Fox Footy earlier this year it was also his dream to win another grand final with his father watching from the stands.
“I love my dad and he’s made me the man I am today,” Dustin said
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-back-in-melbourne-after-taking-selfimposed-break-from-footy/news-story/889c23c05048c207ebdc9ebab2932080
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Cotch said he has spoken via txt with Dusty. More in terms of a support angle and seeing if he "chugging" along ok. All we want is for Dusty to be healthy and happy and get back to the club as soon as he can.
Cotch also said he's never had any conversations with Dusty regarding moving to Sydney. He's a very loyal person. So Cotch would be shocked to see that be the scenario.
Tom Browne said 7news "understands" that a return this weekend is unlikely as Dusty still needs to visit NZ to attend to his dad's personal business.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1516701416941060104
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Caro's info:
"Dusty has been in Sydney for a little while. He's back in Melbourne now. And it's as strong as I've heard that there's a very good chance that he will be back training over the next week. Can't confirm it but it's a very strong chance."
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1516769668110954503
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Tony Sheahan is a disgrace who is onlywhere he is becauseof his surname and who his father is.
He is not a journalist.
If you want to know about his journalistic deeds then goggle him and you'll find out put why he was sacked from Ch7
Dusty will be back when he is ready >:(
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'He's in a better space': Dusty back in town, but no timeframe on return
Dustin Martin has returned to Melbourne after spending time interstate, but the Tigers aren't rushing his return
By AAP
21 April 2022
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick says Dustin Martin is "in a better space" as the club holds hope the superstar will return from personal leave.
Martin has been away from the club since late last month and spent time in Sydney with the Tigers' blessing.
The triple Norm Smith medallist has since returned to Melbourne, fuelling hope a playing return might not be too far away.
But Richmond is still yet to put a specific timeline on the 30-year-old's return to action.
"We're reluctant to provide a running commentary but what we do know is he's in a better space," Hardwick said.
"When we know more we certainly will give you guys more information but at this stage it's the same as it has been."
Martin is mourning the loss of his father, Shane, who died in New Zealand in December.
A fortnight ago, Richmond senior adviser Neil Balme insisted Martin had not played his last game for the club, declaring the midfielder's return was "just a matter of when".
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745414/-he-s-in-a-better-space-dusty-back-in-town-but-no-timeframe-on-return
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‘Hasn’t crossed my mind’: Tigers champ rallies behind Dusty with heartfelt text
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
April 21st, 2022 8:31 pm
Richmond champion Jack Riewoldt says the possibility of Dustin Martin not returning to football ‘hasn’t crossed his mind’.
Martin last month took indefinite personal leave from the Tigers, prompting questions around his future in football despite being contracted until 2024.
But recent reports stated the three-time Norm Smith medallist could return to the club as early as this week and rejoin his teammates on the training track.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick confirmed on Thursday Martin was “in a better space,” but reaffirmed the club’s reluctance to provide a running commentary on the matter.
“When we know more we certainly will give you guys more information but at this stage it’s the same as it has been,” Hardwick said.
“We ask you to respect his privacy and we will continue to monitor the situation and give information as it becomes available.”
Asked on Fox Footy’s AFL 360 on Thursday night if he’s worried Martin might not come back to Tigerland, Riewoldt said: “Nah, not at the moment. It hasn’t crossed my mind that he won’t come back, because I haven’t thought about it.
“All I think about is texting him saying, ‘mate, hope you’re going alright. Just know that the boys are back here thinking of you.’”
It comes ahead of Richmond’s huge Anzac Day Eve clash against Melbourne on Sunday night as the 2-3 Tigers look to bounce back from last week’s loss to Adelaide against the very best.
Riewoldt said it was clear arriving to the club on Thursday with media surrounding it that something was brewing.
“The jungle drums are beating... so in the first time since Dustin has left, we’ve got the media in the car park with cameras trying to get that first shot of him coming back to the football club.
“As Damien just spoke about, we respect his privacy and we first and foremost put his health and his mental health ahead of everything. But we’d love to see him walk through the doors tomorrow.”
Riewoldt added that that Martin would face ongoing issues even if he returns to football.
“It’s not to say that he’s going to come back and be 100 per cent right to go, fit and firing and all that sort of stuff. He’s still going to have his challenges over the next years, over the next decades,” he said.
“His father was taken before his time and he hadn’t seen him for a long time, so there’s still going to be a few bridges to cross for Dustin.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2022-jack-riewoldt-speaks-on-dustin-martin-updates-personal-leave-return-to-richmond-tigers-training-father-shane-death/news-story/36c09dd0acfdcb268f9dbee1bc258a99
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Robbo: How Dusty’s story could become even more like Mike’s
Dustin Martin is football’s Michael Jordan, writes Mark Robinson. So will the Richmond star’s return from heartbreak be similar?
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-robinson-why-dustin-martins-looming-richmond-return-adds-to-the-michael-jordan-comparison/news-story/4b93c346e656c193dcd6f2f144a6dbbf
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Jack Riewoldt reveals he's sent Dustin Martin several messages but has had NO reply - and admits Tigers playing group are 'in the dark' about his return
* There has been speculation that Martin is about to make his return to the AFL
* He took time away from the game to deal with the death of his father
* Martin has been spotted training in a Melbourne gym and meeting his manager
* But his Tigers teammate Jack Riewoldt says the players remain in the dark
By Josh Alston
Daily Mail
17:47 AEST, 22 April 2022
If Dustin Martin is set to make a dramatic return to Punt Road, his Richmond teammates know nothing about it.
Speculation is rife that Martin is set to make his return after almost a month away from the game. The three-time Norm Smith Medallist took time away from the AFL after round one to come to terms with the death of his father in the off-season.
On Friday his fellow premiership player Jack Riewoldt revealed on SEN that he had messaged Martin several times but had not received any reply.
'It's been a while since we've had the media brigade camping out in the car park there - they're back,' he said.
'They're hiding behind cars, hiding behind trees, hiding behind rubbish bins to be that person to catch the first glimpse of Dustin Martin coming back to the club.
'To be honest, what I spoke about on [AFL] 360 last night was we're still in the dark a little on when and where Dustin will come back.
'The murmurs are that he is back in Melbourne. I've sent him a few messages, haven't heard back from him yet.
'Still giving him some clean air but look, to be honest, it's just about getting him right and healthy. That is the main thing that we want.'
Riewoldt moved to temper expectations and said that it would likely be a long road before Martin would be back to his best footy if and when he returns to the AFL.
'We want him to be back and when he comes back we know that it's not going to be plain sailing for Dusty straight away,' he said.
'He's going to have his ups and downs and no doubt he will have those for a long period in his life to come.
'It's about about getting him back in the best possible mental health for us.
'We look forward to having him back in the walls so we can keep him close and then hopefully get him back on the field sometime soon.'
The speculation about his return to the game intensified this week with reports the three-time premiership winner had returned from his trip to Sydney and was spotted working out in a Port Melbourne gym.
Veteran AFL reporter Caroline Wilson said: 'It's as strong as I've heard that there's a very good chance he'll be back training over the next week. I can't confirm it, but that's what I believe is a strong chance'.
It is also understood that Martin met with his manager Ralph Carr for several hours on Thursday night, fuelling the speculation his return is imminent.
Mark Robinson compared the Martin situation to Michael Jordan, who retired from the NBA for the first time in 1993 after his first three-peat with the Chicago Bulls, citing a loss of love for the game.
'The similarities between Jordan and Martin go way beyond performance,' Robinson wrote in his Herald Sun column.
'Martin, 30, is right now confronted with exactly what 30-year-old Jordan had to endure at the Chicago Bulls – the loss of his dad.
'His father was his best friend and people close to Martin say the reality of the loss eventually floored him almost three months after the event.
'Tellingly, Jordan returned to basketball, won three more championships, and played until he was 40.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10742283/Jack-Riewoldt-reveals-hes-sent-Dustin-Martin-messages-NO-reply.html
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I think he should come back now the team clearly needs his help. :help
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Ain't good
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Ain't good
What "ain't good"?
Why?
Just another flimsy gutter piece by the media
So he hasn't answered some texts messages. Having been through a similar thing when i lost my Mum, (I was 38)the single biggest influence in my life, not answering text messages is common
Sometimes the healing/grieving process means you don’t reply, you focus on your self and what you need. And sometimes that means not answering the phone or text messages
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Ain't good
What "ain't good"?
Why?
Just another flimsy gutter piece by the media
So he hasn't answered some texts messages. Having been through a similar thing when i lost my Mum, (I was 38)the single biggest influence in my life, not answering text messages is common
Sometimes the healing/grieving process means you don’t reply, you focus on your self and what you need. And sometimes that means not answering the phone or text messages
I don't think it's a good sign that Jack hasn't heard from Dusty. They're close mates, even considering the closeness of footy mates.
As you said maybe it doesn't matter and that's what Dusty needs but my reaction to that tid bit was that it 'aint good'.
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Dusty back at Punt Rd this morning :thumbsup
Source: Just now on 7news
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Ch7 just now
Dusty back at Punt Road today
Light run and gym session
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Dustin Martin has returned to Punt Rd for the first since stepping away from footy.
Dusty ran some laps and had a gym session with the rehab group this morning.
A nice surprise for his @Richmond_FC teammates who were unaware he was coming in.
https://twitter.com/_AMcCormack7/status/1517775515662577665
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Here's the 7news report:
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1517776901099892736
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So mikes son was right? WP should apologise to the great journo of modern times.
:lol
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So mikes son was right? WP should apologise to the great journo of modern times.
:lol
Don't think Mike's son said he be back this weekend. He just waffled on about Dusty being at a mates gym
Closest to pin was Caro
I would never apologise to that lowlife wanna be journo. He is a disgrace.
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Great news. Boys would be thrilled to see him back I imagine.
Wonder what sort of shape he's in?
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Great news. Boys would be thrilled to see him back I imagine.
Wonder what sort of shape he's in?
He looked good in the news report
Said he appeared to have lost no fitness
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Wonderful news, in two fronts - he's feeling better and our champ.is back. Welcome back legend.
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Can he still play toward pocket tonight or is it too late to squeeze him in?
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You cannot be serious
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'Once we know, you'll know': Dusty's back, but no lock to play
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
25 April 2022
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick remains uncertain when Tigers superstar Dustin Martin will be back on the field after the three-time Norm Smith medallist returned to the club this weekend.
The Tigers fell to 2-4 to start their season after a 22-point loss to Melbourne on Sunday night and next week have a trip to Perth to take on West Coast next Friday night.
Hardwick said he was unsure if Martin would be on the plane to Optus Stadium for that trip, with the champion Tiger returning to Punt Road to train on Saturday morning with teammates. He had been on personal leave since shortly after round one.
Speaking after the loss to last year's premiers, Hardwick was tight-lipped on when Martin would be back playing.
"It was good, it was nice to see him," Hardwick said.
"I can't tell you [if he'll be back this week]. I'm not sure. Once we know, you'll know."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/747533/-once-we-know-you-ll-know-dusty-s-back-but-no-lock-to-play
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Jon Ralph on the Fox Footy coverage said Dusty is likely to be back training this week but won't play against the Eagles. So Dusty's first game back could be against Collingwood at the 'G the following weekend.
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Dustin Martin's mind coach reveals 'why he's in so much pain now' as superstar's efforts to help her quadriplegic son come to light
Josh Alston
Daily Mail Australia
25 April 2022
She is the mindfulness coach credited with turning a struggling Richmond outfit into an AFL force and now Emma Murray has described how Dustin Martin has flipped the script by helping her with her own family tragedy.
Murray started working with Martin in 2017, just 12 months after her son Will became a quadriplegic following a pier-jumping accident when he was just 13.
While Murray's influence on Martin's journey has been well documented, she has revealed the triple-premiership winner had been equally as important helping her family through the challenges and pain that came with Will's accident and injury.
'He's been incredible, the most giving person and loyal person and that's why he's in so much pain now because he gives himself so deeply to people,' Murray told the Herald Sun.
'He was incredible on Will's journey.'
'I hope in time that now Will can support him on his journey,' she said.
Murray has worked with a range of athletes including tennis star Nick Kyrgios V8 Supercars driver Scott McLaughlin, Australian Test cricket player Will Pucovski and the champion Richmond Tigers sides of recent years.
Martin has just returned to the Tigers after requesting leave to manage the grief of losing his father Shane to a suspected heart attack in the AFL off-season.
Murray said on The Inside Game podcast in December 2021 that Martin was one of the most engaged athletes she had worked with and took her teachings to new levels to become a better and more present athlete.
'Dusty is a champion. If I never met Dusty he would probably still have all those awards and other stuff,' she said.
'He himself will say that he had a very noisy mind. When he had the ball in his hands it was very noisy and that leads to just getting rid of the ball quickly.
'Dusty didn't have a thing in his sub-conscious mind that was holding him back. Dusty, more traditionally, went through the process of learning how to become very present in the moment.
'You will see some people who take what you teach them and they just go on their own journey. You will see some who resist it. Full credit to Dusty, he took what he was learning from me and became really curious about it, because I think it made him feel better.
'In 2017 we worked together every week. But he expanded that journey with books and meeting other people and going further into this concept of being present.'
Murray said that Martin was constantly evaluating and changing his approach to mindfulness throughout his career to manage new challenges.
'His journey is really interesting, he wins all those awards and this is what we need to understand about pressure and expectation. Now, in your mind, it's like what now? What happens now?' she said.
'That expectation to continue to be that, what if I can't? What if I don't win this? Now I am stepping out onto a ground
'That human wiring kicks in as soon as expectation kicks in. Fear, what if, I have to, I need to.
'Dusty is still a human so we see him go to these heights in 2017, we see him still amazing in 2018 but why is he not exactly the same? Because there is a new level of pressure and expectation on him.
'Now he effectively has to learn mindfulness all over again at a whole new level.'
Murray said her son Will was now doing well after coming to terms with the injury and from the support he had received.
'He's six-foot-two and strong and well and healthy, the injury doesn't change greatly unfortunately but the social connections he has now were founded in that hospital,' she said.
'That was the biggest gift that the kids were able to connect.
'Not just footballers so many wonderful people and athletes will do anything to help Will.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10749631/Dustin-Martins-mind-coach-reveals-hes-pain-helped-quadriplegic-son.html
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Richmond star Dustin Martin has returned to Punt Road for a second training session in a matter of days, taking part in a running session on Anzac Day after ending an indefinite absence from the club on the weekend.
Martin joined teammate Josh Caddy at the club on Monday morning.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-trains-again-at-punt-road-but-hardwick-says-playing-future-still-not-clear-20220424-p5afry.html
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Bring him straight back in and play him at FF all game.
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7news showed vision of Dusty training today doing running and kicking the footy.
Tom Browne said Dusty looks remarkably fit and in good shape.
Dusty spent 4 hours at Punt Rd today.
Dusty unlikely to play this week as the team has to be decided early as we fly out for Perth on Thursday.
Dusty also had a meeting with his manager Ralph Carr to discuss his future from here.
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Back through the vfl then.
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Back through the vfl then.
😁
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Why not play him? Half fit Dusty is better then the effort of half the side last night.
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If they play Dusty Gives a message of no respect for players who are trying their guts out and not getting a go (eg Stack)
But, hey, wtf, whatever happens, ……… Happens
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7news footage of Dusty training:
Go to 1:00 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1518513373847367680
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy's "On the Couch" tonight said:
* Dusty put in a really strong running session this morning with his good mate Josh Caddy and looked in amazing nick.
* Richmond isn't really sure how much work he has done but are absolutely prepared to get him into the side as soon as he wants.
* The main training session with the team is on Wednesday and they fly out Thursday to play Friday so he's no chance of doing that.
* Richmond say Dusty's return is a hugely positive step. He seems refreshed.
* Ralph thinks Dusty is a big chance to play the following week against Collingwood.
* Richmond isn't keen to rock the boat and push Dusty on returning to play so they don't drive him away. Dusty will tell them when he is ready to play and all signs point to that Collingwood game in round 8.
* Jonathan Brown added Dusty wouldn't have returned to training if the fire in the belly wasn't there.
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Dustin Martin has returned to training with his Richmond teammates in a promising sign the superstar Tiger is edging closer to an AFL return.
The 30-year-old joined the squad in a light closed session at Punt Road on Tuesday afternoon, his third appearance at the AFL club in four days.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7713721/martin-back-in-main-tigers-afl-group/
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https://twitter.com/AAPSport/status/1518822145299988485
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If they play Dusty Gives a message of no respect for players who are trying their guts out and not getting a go (eg Stack)
But, hey, wtf, whatever happens, ……… Happens
In any other circumstance I’d agree with you but Dusty gets a free pass! It’s dusty!
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If they play Dusty Gives a message of no respect for players who are trying their guts out and not getting a go (eg Stack)
But, hey, wtf, whatever happens, ……… Happens
Lol what? This is Dustin freakin Martin, maybe the greatest tiger of them all. If he is fit then he’s the first player named.
Love stack but naming him couldn’t be a worse example. Shows up in poor condition pre season after pre season. He has no1 to blame but himself for not being in the seniors.
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Love stack but naming him couldn’t be a worse example. Shows up in poor condition pre season after pre season. He has no1 to blame but himself for not being in the seniors.
But surely if Stack has worked his butt off, got himself fit, been one of the best in the VFL for the last few weeks then he deserves a game?
Dusty won't play this week. Will be back for the Magpies IMHO.
Never forget Dusty is team first, everytime
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Love stack but naming him couldn’t be a worse example. Shows up in poor condition pre season after pre season. He has no1 to blame but himself for not being in the seniors.
But surely if Stack has worked his butt off, got himself fit, been one of the best in the VFL for the last few weeks then he deserves a game?
Dusty won't play this week. Will be back for the Magpies IMHO.
Never forget Dusty is team first, everytime
Sure he does. All I’m saying is that if dusty is fit and ready to play then he should be named. The suggestion that his inclusion would be a disservice to the vfl players is off the mark imo.
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Ch 7's arvo news said Dusty training fully today would put pressure on the Tigers to play him on Friday night. My 'Spy' said Dusty did most but not all the session with the main group. The Collingwood game is more likely for his return.
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"It is great to see Dustin back at training," Richmond general manager of football performance Tim Livingstone said.
"The boys are excited to have him back. He has got a couple of good football sessions in this week and is looking fit and strong."
"It has been a five-week break, so that is not the best preparation coming into this round (for Dustin).
"We will have a look again next week and see how he is progressing."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1113009/round-7-availability-martin-cotchin-tarrant
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7 news footage and report of Dusty training today:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1519237685789233152
- Dusty "breezed" through training. He's been training 3 times a week during his time off. So he's fit. Only concern is his match fitness. All eyes on a potential return against Collingwood.
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Pffft play him vs West Coke
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I wouldn’t play against those cretins in the outer. Scumbags, the lot of em.
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‘Don’t have the luxury’: Tigers warned as AFL champ says he’d ‘consider’ playing Dusty this week
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
April 28th, 2022
Richmond should roll the dice and play Dustin Martin as a forward against West Coast, according to Jordan Lewis, despite the superstar only returning to training four days ago.
The four-time premiership Hawk fears Richmond’s 2022 season is starting to slip away with just two wins from the first six games.
Lewis said the club didn’t have the “luxury” of resting players, and called for Martin to play forward this Friday night against the Eagles in Perth.
“The people that know Dusty Martin the best are: one, Dusty Martin and two, the football club,” he said on AFL360.
“If I was the coach, I’d really consider playing him (this week).
“The parameters need to be really clear – just stay in the 50.
“Imagine coming up against the Eagles this week and all of a sudden you’ve got to deal with Dusty staying deep – he’d probably get (Jeremy) McGovern or (Tom) Barrass or some type of key defender because of his power in the air and his power one-on-one.
“Then that takes them out of a position where they can impact in the air – it’s so dangerous.”
AFL360 co-host Mark Robinson was against the idea, questioning “what if he did a calf muscle?”.
Joking players can do a calf muscle “walking down the street”, Lewis said Martin was not a typical returning player after five weeks away from the club.
“They don’t have the luxury of winning early games so you can start to rest players like they have this week, he warned.
“This is an important three weeks for them.
“If it was midfielder that had to play midfield minutes and couldn’t be as damaging forward and anchored to the goal square, you’d seriously consider not playing them.
“I know they’ve said it’s a five-day break and he hasn’t done enough training – but they would have had some conversations within that club and half on one side saying ‘why can’t we play him?’.
AFL360 panellist Eddie Betts agreed it would be great to see Martin play forward given he is “one of the best one-on-one players in the league”.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dont-have-the-luxury-tigers-warned-as-afl-champ-says-hed-consider-playing-dusty-this-week/news-story/899ecf127230b5e5a610a93d1519520d
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Martin AFL return not far off: Tigers
Shayne Hope
AAP
28 April 2022
Richmond senior adviser Neil Balme expects Dustin Martin to make his AFL comeback in the near future.
Martin won't play in Friday night's crunch clash with West Coast and there is still no specific timeline on his return to action.
But the three-time Norm Smith medallist's reappearance at training over the last week has raised hope the Tigers could soon get their talisman back.
There is a chance Martin will be given the green light to play against Collingwood in round eight.
"We're really pleased to have him back on deck," top Tigers official Balme told RSN on Thursday.
"He seems to be in pretty good shape mentally.
"I think he's got himself over a lot of the issues that he's had, so we're very positive about what he's going to do, but that will work itself out.
"There's been no decision on when he plays, but it would be sooner rather than later, one would think."
Martin stepped away from football last month with Richmond's blessing.
The 30-year-old has been grieving the death of his father Shane, who died in New Zealand in December.
Martin returned to the Tigers' Punt Road headquarters on Saturday and has joined training with his teammates in recent days.
"We'd always had pretty close contact with him but we were just letting him run the show, to a degree, because it was all of his issues rather than ours," Balme said.
"We're just happy to see him.
"He's not saying much but he's pleased to be back and pleased to get back into routine, so that's all we need."
https://www.macarthuradvertiser.com.au/story/7716135/martin-afl-return-not-far-off-tigers/?cs=12687
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When will Dusty come back? Hardwick provides biggest hint yet
By Ben Somerford
afl.com.au
29 April 2022
DUSTIN Martin is a "strong possibility" to return in Richmond's round eight clash with Collingwood at the MCG, according to coach Damien Hardwick.
The 2017 Brownlow medalist has not played since round one after the Tigers allowed him to spend time away from the club for personal reasons.
Earlier this week, Martin returned to team training for the first time since March 17 looking "fit and strong" according to the club's general manager of football performance Tim Livingstone. Martin didn't travel to Perth for Friday night's game against West Coast as he rebuilds his conditioning.
Hardwick revealed that the Tigers were hopeful the three-time Norm Smith Medal winner would be ready to face the Magpies on Saturday week.
"There's a strong possibility it'll be the Collingwood game but we'll have a better understanding of that next week," Hardwick said in Perth on Thursday afternoon.
"We watched him move around and he moved fine. It'd probably be doing us and him a disservice if we put him out there without the preparation he needs.
"(He's an) important player and, to be honest, half of Dustin Martin is probably going to be better than the vast majority of players but we just want to make sure when we get him back he's ready to go."
Hardwick said Martin had been able to train hard during his five weeks away from the club but was short on football work although he wouldn't return via the VFL.
"He'll get a big session tomorrow training-wise, then he'll start to push his case from there," Hardwick said. "We've got to start getting some footy into him, he's been training hard away from the footy club but he hasn't been doing a lot of football work which is the one thing that can bring players undone.
"We'll give him his very best chance to play. I know our fans are dying for him to play. It's amazing the energy he brought being around the place last week. It certainly gave us a much-needed boost."
The Tigers coach added that Martin was feeling better mentally, having lost his father Shane to a heart attack in December last year.
"He'll have his good and his bad days, like most people going through that situation," Hardwick said. "At this stage it's more good than bad. We'll just continue to encourage and support and put an arm around him when we need to.
"He's in a lot better space than he has been which is a real positive for us and I think the footy world in general."
Hardwick wouldn't elaborate on Martin's likely role when he returns, with speculation he could be used primarily forward given his lack of conditioning.
"We'll see how we go. He's dynamic wherever we play him," Hardwick said. "I'd love to say I've got a great understanding about where he'll play but he'll know where to put himself to have the biggest impact he can have. He'll probably dictate that more than me to be fair."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/750315/when-will-dusty-come-back-hardwick-provides-biggest-hint-yet
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cant wait to see the champ back, BUT I wont be expecting him to change our clubs on field fortunes all that much.
His form was patchy last year before his injury, which coincided with the rest of the team. Most people forget that.
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Just play him deep forward. Get fit that way
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He can break a tackle, not many others especially in the midfield can do the same.
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
IF ...
I was running Richmond ...
THEN ...
I'd be playing Dusty on Friday night against the Eagles. Yes, he's very underdone. But he's Dusty. And the Tigers can't afford another loss.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/750274/if-footy-players-were-listed-on-the-asx-then
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RIEWOLDT REVEALS CONVERSATIONS ON POTENTIAL MARTIN COMEBACK GAME
By Seb Mottram
SEN
29 April 2022
Jack Riewoldt revealed he wanted to get Martin back in the senior side for the club’s Round 6 clash with Melbourne, however “calmer heads prevailed”.
“He’s going really well,” he said on SEN Tassie.
“He’s fit and healthy, the hasty decision would be to plug him straight back in and get him back to play, and don’t worry I asked the question when he was there.
“When I saw him last Saturday morning and (we’re) playing Sunday night (in Round 6), I said, ‘how you feeling, are you a chance to roll out and we’ll stick you in a pocket?’.
“But calmer heads prevailed in that situation and they will until he does return.”
Tigers mentor Damien Hardwick told media on Thursday Martin was a “strong possibility” to return for the club’s Round 8 game against Collingwood in what shapes as an MCG blockbuster.
While that’s the ideal situation for both the Tigers, Riewoldt hinted that no chances would be taken with the superstar.
“I know it’s been floated and the coach has talked about next week against Collingwood, which would be great to have him back for that game, but first and foremost, mental health and his well being is priority number one and footy comes a distant second to that,” he continued.
“But is it on the forefront of all of our minds, as it is the AFL world's, is when he’s going to come back to play and hopefully sooner rather than later.
“But as I said, calmer heads will make that decision and it won’t be a hasty one.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/04/29/riewoldt-reveals-conversations-on-potential-martin-comeback-game/
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Dusty trained at 9am today at Punt Rd with Cotch, Dow, Hugo, Cumberland, Sonsie, Banks and Brown.
Go to 0:58 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1519962406348550144
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Dimma post-game talking about Dusty:
Journo: Everybody is going to want to know is Dustin Martin going to be part of that game. Do you think he will be playing?
Dimma: I’m hopeful from a coaching point of view but our fans as well. Look, we will wait and see. He trained well today. This morning had a big session, got through that well. We just have to get some more football into him, really some footy training skill sessions I should say. So we are hopeful that he will put his hand up to play but we have got to wait and see. He is such an important player for us. We will make sure he puts the due diligence in to make sure he is ready to go when he is needed.
Source: The Age (https://www.watoday.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-round-7-live-updates-west-coast-eagles-lose-star-defender-for-richmond-tigers-clash-20220429-p5ah6a.html?post=p53nh5#p53nh5)
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Revealed: Unlikely inspiration fuelling Dusty’s comeback
Dustin Martin is primed for his AFL comeback thanks to a bond with a former NRL hard man which helped him stay fit during his time away from Richmond.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-dustin-martin-finds-inspiration-in-rival-footy-code/news-story/ed317a090c03574408be24063461ab2e
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Dustin Martin reportedly spotted working out with Paul Gallen in Sydney ahead of AFL return
News.com.au
May 1st, 2022
Dustin Martin has been spotted working out with Aussie boxing machine Paul Gallen in Sydney.
The Richmond superstar has taken time away from football on mental health grounds following the death of his father Shane in December.
Martin has returned to training with the Tigers and is now expected to make his return to play against Collingwood in Round 8.
How he has spent that time away from football has now been revealed.
The triple Norm Smith medallist has spent four weeks in Sydney and The Daily Telegraph now reports he has used that time to get back into the boxing gym.
His training camp with Gallen has included boxing sessions at the former NSW State of Origin captain’s Cronulla gym.
It is the second camp Martin has held in Sydney recently after he also spent time boxing with code-hopping star Sonny Bill Williams during the off-season.
A blockbuster fight between Williams and Gallen is expected to be negotiated this year.
Martin also impressed Williams’ training team with his boxing prowess when his time in Sydney was revealed in November. Reports at the time claimed Martin continued to be attracted to the concept of moving to Sydney.
The Telegraph report details Sydney has become an even more attractive destination as a result of the lifestyle he has experienced away from the Melbourne fishbowl.
The report claims the Giants and Swans are both monitoring Martin’s situation behind the scenes, with speculation there is potential for Martin to be released from his Richmond contract on compassionate grounds.
It comes after reporter Tom Browne told Channel 7 on Friday night that there was a “faint possibility” Martin could end up finishing his career with a Sydney club.
“I don’t think he’d lose anything from his Tigers legacy if he spent the last couple of his years up in Sydney,” he said.
“He spent the off-season in Sydney. He spent four of the last six weeks or so there with family. I still think it’s a faint possibility.”
Martin remains contracted until the end of the 2024 season with the Tigers, but the situation has been clouded by previous comments from his agent Ralph Carr.
With the Giants desperate to land a marquee player and the Swans contemplating life beyond superstar forward Lance Franklin, the links with Martin have never gone away.
He was famously courted by the Giants with a reported big-money offer in 2013 — but chose to stay with the Tigers.
Carr said last year Martin had “two years to go at Richmond” — but Tigers CEO Brendan Gale responded by declaring Martin is locked in until the end of 2024.
“Dusty loves Sydney,” Carr said.
“He’s there a lot and he originally lived in Camden with his dad. You’ve got to live there to really know how good it is.
“He loves rugby league, too, and he was hanging out with Cameron Munster the other day.”
— You can read Phil Rothfield’s full Sunday Telegraph column here: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/whats-the-buzz-wade-grahams-career-crossroads-dustin-martins-surprise-sydney-base/news-story/6470377c98959395c0699b568efe79ea
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-richmond-contract-paul-gallen-boxing-camp-gws-giants-sydney-swans-trade/news-story/77b99e6a0f896a0983aae48d8b8ed8cf
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If Tom Browne and Phil Rothfield both believe Dusty will end up playing in Sydney then it's definitely not going to happen :wallywink.
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"He clearly loves the Sydney lifestyle"
Should the Swans look to Dustin Martin for their life after Buddy Franklin? 🤔
#9FootyClassified | @Channel9
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1521118336465178624
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RICHMOND superstar Dustin Martin will make his highly anticipated return against Collingwood.
Coach Damien Hardwick confirmed that if Martin got through training on Thursday he would be a starter for Saturday’s clash at the MCG against the Magpies, two weeks after he recommenced training.
"We're looking forward to welcoming him back," Hardwick told reporters.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/754208/dusty-s-back-superstar-a-confirmed-starter-against-pies
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More from Dimma:
Damien Hardwick has confirmed Dustin Martin will make his return this week
By AAP
5 May 2022
RICHMOND superstar Dustin Martin will make his eagerly anticipated return against Collingwood, with coach Damien Hardwick saying the Tigers were never concerned he would retire.
Hardwick confirmed if Martin got through training on Thursday he would be a starter for Saturday’s clash at the MCG, two weeks after he recommenced training.
The triple Norm Smith medallist hasn’t played since round one after taking personal leave.
"We're looking forward to welcoming him back and hopefully he has an impact for us on the weekend, which we're sure he will," Hardwick told reporters.
"He's going to be not at his optimal, but he's certainly trained reasonably hard, as hard as he could without being in a team environment.
"We're pleasantly surprised by how he's moving and how he's operating thus far.
"But we're playing one of the hardest games in the world, so we'll level our expectations, we'll just put him out there and see how he goes.
"At 50 per cent Dustin Martin's still a pretty good player on our books."
Martin has been grieving the death of his father Shane, who died in New Zealand in December, having returned to action this season from a lacerated kidney that ended his 2021 campaign in round 18.
"Not from our point of view (we weren't worried he wouldn't come back)," Hardwick said.
"He's in a good space but it's like anyone that's had a loss of their best mate and their father, there'll be ups and downs.
"We support him, we understand that and we'll continue to provide support where we need.
"He's continued to work on what he needs to get the very best out of himself, but it's challenging for people that have gone through such events.
"So we just wrap our arms around him as best we can and allow him the space and time he needs."
The 30-year-old returned to training at Punt Road on April 23.
Hardwick said Martin was looking fit and previously "put his hand up" to return a week earlier, against West Coast last Friday.
Martin ultimately missed the 109-point demolition of the Eagles but completed a big session at Punt Road that day.
"Just him walking in the door last week was a significant boost to our club and hopefully we'll get the same impact when he walks on the hallowed turf of the 'G this week in front of our fans," Hardwick said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/754208/dusty-s-back-superstar-a-confirmed-starter-against-pies
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Dusty named at Full Forward.
Source: Tom Browne on 7news.
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Martin back in Tigers’ lair but will he finish his career at Punt Rd?
Jon Pierik
The Age
May 6, 2022 — 3.45pm
Dustin Martin’s love of Sydney the city is well known, but whether that equates to a shift north for the Richmond superstar will be a point of intrigue over the next two years.
While Martin is contracted until the end of 2024 and he and the Tigers remain unified, his manager Ralph Carr understands how things can change in the AFL.
“He has got this year and then another two (under contract). He is kind of set there. But who knows? Football is a funny world,” he said.
Through his month’s break from the club for mental-health reasons while dealing with the death of his father Shane, Martin spent considerable time in the Harbour City, including training at the gym of former NSW State of Origin captain Paul Gallen.
This has sparked industry speculation on whether he will seek to finish his AFL career there, either with the Swans or Greater Western Sydney, once his $9 million, seven-year contract expires - or perhaps earlier.
“Whoever is saying that, I wish they would talk to me. I have no idea,” Carr said.
“I think he just likes Sydney as a visiting place. I never said he wanted to move there. He just often says … he goes up there every now and then, just likes going up there. There is nothing more than that, I don’t think.”
Martin spent time as a teenager living with his father in Camden, 65 kilometres south-west of Sydney. He had stints with the Wollondilly-Camden club and, in 2007, with the Campbelltown Blues, having shifted north from his home in Castlemaine, Victoria.
He enjoys rugby league and was in Sydney over the summer training with boxer and former NRL and rugby union star Sonny Bill Williams, who suggested Martin could become a boxer.
Martin is a rich man through Carr’s sage advice. He eschews the media and public attention, but this has only made football’s biggest rock star in greater commercial demand with sponsors for he is a man of mystery. That he prefers to keep a low profile with the football-reporting media has added fuel to suggestions that he could follow the trail blazed by Tony Lockett, Barry Hall and Lance Franklin and leave the Melbourne fishbowl and head north to a rugby league-dominated town.
Wayne Schwass, the former North Melbourne star who joined the Swans and also had a first-hand experience of how Lockett, the former Saint, enjoyed less scrutiny, said Martin should “absolutely” consider a move.
“There is less attention, warmer weather, for his life outside of training and playing, and a smaller ground (SCG) is less taxing on the body,” Schwass said.
Then there are the mental health benefits, something Schwass, a leading mental health advocate, says can be “profound”.
“Without the focus and attention, you’re able to enjoy what you do much more. Training and playing becomes fun again because you have the freedom to do other things outside of football,” he said.
“It provides balance instead of 100 per cent focus on football. It’s a much healthier environment plus the Swans do the individual side of things well on top of being a great football club.”
Paul Roos also knows the potential benefits of a shift north but the Fitzroy great who played with and later coached the Swans to a premiership says he prefers players remain with the club where they have had success.
“Obviously, circumstances are different for each player,” Roos said.
Poster boy
The Swans and Giants, the latter still struggling to make an imprint, need a poster boy as a selling point, and Martin could be their man. However, just weeks shy of his 31st birthday, he is seen to be content at Punt Road.
The Tigers have given him the space he needed after he sought time off after round one, for he was still coming to terms with his father’s death. Shane, 54, was found dead on his kitchen floor in December, his unexpected death believed to be from natural causes.
Martin and Carr were given a tour of the Giants’ facilities in 2013 when Martin was off contract and emerging as a star, but he opted to remain at Punt Road.
Now a Brownlow medallist, three-time premiership player and the only three-time Norm Smith Medallist, Martin’s legacy is assured, regardless of what transpires.
Martin’s grief
The Tigers and wider football world are delighted to have Martin back. He has enjoyed being around his teammates and coaches, and wanted to return to play in last Friday’s romp over West Coast.
Coach Damien Hardwick said the Tigers would continue to support Martin and “wrap their arms around him”.
“He is in a good space, but it’s like anyone who has had the loss of their best mate and their father, there will be ups and downs. We support him and we understand that,” he said.
Carr, a former Carlton board director, remembered the pain and difficulty club great Anthony Koutoufides experienced when he lost his father to cancer. Koutoufides has said the loss of his father Jim in 1998 was the most difficult time of his life.
“Dustin is not the first AFL player to go through that. He was incredibly close to his dad,” Carr said.
Martin also had to deal with his father living in New Zealand, for Shane, a senior member of the Rebels motorcycle gang in Sydney, had been deported there on “good character” grounds in 2016 despite having only minor drug convictions, according to the New Zealand Herald. It has since emerged that at the time of his death Shane was under investigation for allegedly attacking a woman.
“Here he is, his dad who is No.1 fan helped him through footy, certainly a great help to me, and someone he could confide in 100 per cent, all of a sudden gets shipped over to New Zealand, if that wasn’t enough,” Carr said.
“Then he can’t see his son or embrace his son after a grand final and then that wasn’t enough. Then dies at the age of (54). He has been dealt a few blows.”
Back in the groove
On the field, Martin lacked his typical zest in the season-opening loss to Carlton. It was his first home-and-away clash since he was taken to hospital with a lacerated kidney injury against the Brisbane Lions, ending his 2021 campaign in round 18. That trauma took several months to get over, and he lost 10 kilograms, prompting him to cleanse, rest and detox his body.
Always one to look to improve his running, he has returned to training in recent weeks physically strong and in excellent touch, and shapes as the man who can vault the teetering Tigers, with a 3-4 win-loss record, back into premiership calculations.
Hardwick said Martin would not be at his “optimal” best but expected him to have an immediate impact against the Magpies.
“He is such a vibrant personality within our footy club and he is an energy-in type of guy, so just him walking in the door last week was a significant boost for our club,” Hardwick said.
Longevity
Martin is meticulous in his preparation - boxing is a favourite exercise - and recovery or, as club chief executive Brendon Gale puts it, he is an “uber professional”, having had a few rough edges in his younger years. Martin’s work with mindfulness coach Emma Murray has also been well documented.
There is tread off the tyres - that comes with 261 matches - but his game should age well. Carr has previously said the No. 3 pick of the 2009 national draft could play until he is 36, or longer. Club insiders have marvelled at his ability to avoid serious injury (aside from the kidney issue) despite having played such a combative game, or play through pain, as he did with a major corkie in the 2018 preliminary final.
He has spent considerable time as a centre-forward, offensive juggernaut through the Tigers’ premiership years where his powerful kicking has been a major weapon. More time inside attacking 50 - where he is so dangerous as a one-on-one threat and gives defenders nightmares - could help to extend his career.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/martin-back-in-tigers-lair-but-will-he-finish-his-career-at-punt-rd-20220504-p5aicm.html
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Guess which club sells papers :thumbsup
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSHdBdwagAAIjYE?format=jpg&name=large)
Welcome back Dusty :) :bow.
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3 goals for dusty today!
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3 goals for dusty today!
In the first quarter?
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I can’t belive how full of it some Jurno are, they are on equal pegging with car salesmen
Dusty has a contract, he has investments in Melbourne , hi friends and support are at Tigerland, he is a legend who will go down as one of our best ever and his manger is welcome at our club.,
so he wants this FW basing his story on?
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Agreed.
Dusty has been here what 13 years?
Doubt he's homesick anymore
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:highclap
2. DUSTY‘S BACK
23 disposals (15k, 8h, 7c, 18u, 69.6% eff.)
5 marks
2 clearances (1 centre clearance)
3 inside 50s
1 intercept
358 metres gained
11 score involvements
2 goals
1 behind
85% time on ground
Regardless of what team you barrack for, the sight of Dustin Martin on an AFL field is one we haven‘t seen anywhere near enough of in recent times.
A lacerated kidney brought an end to his season in the backhalf of last year and, after round one this season, Martin took time away from the game to deal with the sudden loss of his father.
Ending a 51-day absence on Saturday, Martin was cheered every time he had the ball, before things truly erupted in the third term, with the three-time Norm Smith medallist putting through a goal.
“Every Richmond player on the ground has run to Dusty,” Jason Dunstall said on Fox Footy.
“That’s the excitement and joy that he brings to this group and to this football club.”
Nick Riewoldt added: “It (the celebration from teammates) was like a first-gamer.”
Tigers teammate Tom Lynch told Fox Footy post-game the team “loved having Martin back”
“When he kicked that goal and got a fair reception – that was pretty special,” Lynch said.
Speaking pre-game to Fox Footy, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was full of praise for Martin.
“It was exciting obviously from our point of view, he’s just such a wonderful player. Not only good for us but for the AFL in general, it’s good to have great players back,” he said.
“He’s probably going to be a little bit rusty today but as we’ve said previously, a half-going Dustin Martin is still pretty good.”
If this was Martin at half-pace, he‘s going to make for riveting viewing as the season progresses.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-collingwood-magpies-round-8-live-scores-updates-stats-video-stream-news-blog/news-story/c6da0092646823825dab543a063dcbc9)
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The Tackle: Dusty media snub not good enough
Dustin Martin’s return had the footy world smiling but a post-game move from the Tigers superstar has ticked off Mark Robinson.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-8-of-the-2022-afl-season/news-story/7f1eb2a7742bfd0b3b495c07316bcfaa
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The media write gutter crap about him while he was away grieving and Robbo expects him to give them time ::).
Dusty didn't snub anyone that mattered. He went over to the fence to give high 5s to Tiger supporters.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1522828107371085824
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The media write gutter crap about him while he was away grieving and Robbo expects him to give them time ::).
Dusty didn't snub anyone that mattered. He went over to the fence to give high 5s to Tiger supporters.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1522828107371085824
Robbo is way off the mark here. A few weeks ago he printed a "Dusty" story where he stated he didn’t "understand" grieving. But now he whacks because Dusty didn't do media.
Just because Dusty's back playing doesn't mean he still isn't working through alot of stuff. It takes time, media should respect that, clearly they can't
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85% time on ground but I reckon he didn’t get out of second gear but still managed to have significant impact.
Should’ve had three goals but the moron umpire said he pushed that filth player in the back. :banghead :banghead
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"You're not objective about Richmond. You never have been and you never will be." 🌶️
"That's a ridiculous statement."
The panel clashes with Caro over her defence of Dustin Martin, who chose not to be interviewed after his return match.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1523624255132426242
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Fantastic Dusty. Jabba and others like Morris used to :lol make up stories, and he expects players especially ones like Dusty who hate the media to play ball.
Please.
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I have never cared too much for quotes from players that are media shy or who are uncomfortable in the spotlight.
The problem is that you are forcing them to do something that makes them uncomfortable which I don’t think if fair on that individual.
I don’t force shy people at work to speak publicly or present if they don’t want to do it because that wouldn’t fly in today’s workplace.
How is this any different?
In this age of being “authentic” we are forcing people to be someone that they are not.
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Get a bucket :chuck
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSoM-tIaMAEVM2j?format=jpg&name=large)
https://www.instagram.com/heraldsun_sport/
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The media is pushing this crap ::).
Tune in as a three-time All-Australian says he has the perfect landing spot should Dustin Martin wish to escape the Melbourne fishbowl and finish his career elsewhere.
@RalphyHeraldSun
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1525002125851631618
Peter Everitt ended his playing career in the less intrusive AFL market of Sydney, and says the two NSW clubs should be making a play for Dustin Martin for exactly the same reason.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sacked-2022-spida-everitt-says-swans-or-giants-the-perfect-fit-for-dustin-martin/news-story/19c5d9295d4004e838603a4ddad979c2
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Swannies have picks 13, 18 and 31 this year.
If Dusty wants to go I'd be asking for both those first rounders so we have another 5 top 30 picks.
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Sorry Andy that’s a terrible deal.
I don’t care about his age we would be dudded in that deal.
I would tell them all to shove it personally until the end of next year, and it’s Green plus a top 10 pick min. Dusty we have been told can play till his late 30’s, and now all of a sudden I read on here she is an issue.
He brings more to a club than draft picks, and we lose that if he goes.
The other elephant in the room is clarko and GWS. Will clarko or any coach give up green?
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If he really wants to go, let him. We owe him nothing and vice versa.
Whoever the suitor is, it would be about maximising his value in return. Remembering that he probably has 5-6 years left in him, has been the most influential finals player in the last 10-15 years.
We have proved that we can play without him...he just makes us soooooooooooooo much better!
The Tom Green discussion needs to be based on talent (current/future), not emotion.
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Until I hear it from the club or Ralph it’s just crap to fill papers
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If Dusty wants to go I would definitely do a deal that included Tom Green and Jake Riccardi which will solve both midfield and forward line stocks in one hit. :clapping
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From GWS id want Green, there first pick in this years draft and 1st rounder next year. Theyll pay it because he'll make that club relevant in the Sydney market.
From Sydney Id want this years first, next years first and Oliver Florent.
The GWS deal would be the better deal.
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Reckon a few of you are dreaming
Think Judd/Kennedy
Clubs are weary .. a few years of dusty compared to a career of Green and first round picks etc …where do we sign ???
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Sorry Andy that’s a terrible deal.
I don’t care about his age we would be dudded in that deal.
I would tell them all to shove it personally until the end of next year, and it’s Green plus a top 10 pick min. Dusty we have been told can play till his late 30’s, and now all of a sudden I read on here she is an issue.
He brings more to a club than draft picks, and we lose that if he goes.
The other elephant in the room is clarko and GWS. Will clarko or any coach give up green?
Just to clarify I'm not suggesting those two are enough.
But I would want them both in a deal.
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https://www.afl.com.au/video/759730/dusty-kicks-outrageous-goal-from-the-pocket-as-mcg-erupts
That was some freakish goal from Dusty :bow. You can see all the Hawthorn players nearby are left just stunned lol.
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Dustin Martin watch
In his second game back in action, Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin spent most of the game playing across half-forward as he builds his match fitness up after a six-week break. Martin spent a rotation in the middle of each quarter in the first half, but then he burst to life in the third quarter, weaving through traffic before just missing a snap early in the third quarter. Then he kicked one of the best goals of the day, poking a goal on his left from an acute angle at the city end. The 30-year-old finished with 20 disposals and three goals to take another step forward.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/3882#match-report)
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Can avg 20ish disposals and 2 goals a game in his sleep playing as a forward.
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It’s like he’s in second gear. What a freak of a player.
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Damien Hardwick 'a little bit upset' by criticism of Dustin Martin after Richmond star's return
ABC
14 May 2022
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has defended Dustin Martin after the returning star Tiger was criticised for not doing any media interviews after last weekend's win over Collingwood.
Key points:
* Damien Hardwick said Dustin Martin doesn't feel comfortable in media interviews
* Hardwick said Martin provides more than enough to the game with his brilliant play to make up for a few missed interviews
* The Tigers coach said Martin's return has provided a boost for the entire club
* Martin was playing his first game back after a six-week absence taken for personal reasons.
Speaking to to Saturday Morning Sport on ABC Radio Melbourne, Hardwick said Martin has never been comfortable in a media setting, and was disappointed by some of the criticism.
"I was probably a little bit upset at a few people that made it more about them and less about Dustin," Hardwick said.
"He's just electric at what he does, but it doesn't mean that brilliance is going to transfer into a media performer. And he doesn't feel comfortable in that space, he doesn't feel comfortable sharing his life story.
"He's not really interested in providing a running commentary on his life and what it looks like and feels like to be Dustin Martin. That's not him.
"It's not an arrogance, it's just a sense of he likes being his own man. He's very insulated, he doesn't let a lot of people in."
Martin kicked two goals against the Magpies last week in a solid return to action, and Hardwick said the three-time Norm Smith medallist provides more than enough for the game with his play alone.
"At what stage do we say 'this guy has provided two and a half hours of entertainment, he basically lost a kidney last year. He gives a lot this guy'.
"And don't get me wrong, he gets paid a lot for what he does, but he provides an incredible service by the people paying their money to see two and a half hours of brilliance of Dustin Martin.
"At what stage is that enough? Do we really need two questions to sit there and provide the icing on the cake? Or are we just happy for Dustin to do what he does and provide the brilliance he does on a weekly basis?
"He will at some time sit down and speak, but that time isn't now."
Richmond will go into their round nine game against Hawthorn in the top eight and with improving form, and Hardwick said the return of their talisman gave the entire club a timely boost.
"To have him back last week was incredibly important, and it gave our whole club a lift," he said.
"He still has his good days and his bad days, but for him to just be there to play his game, it was enormous.
"You could see when he did kick that goal, every single player on the ground got to him. All our coaching staff were a little bit misty eyed in the coaches' box too
"It's great to see players come back from adversity, but it's just great to see the fans applaud such a player coming back as well. It was a really touching moment not only for Richmond but for the AFL."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/richmond-damien-hardwick-upset-by-criticism-of-dustin-martin/101066416
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Wish he finished off that check side goal when he weaved in and out btw 2 hawks players.
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Everitt says NSW clubs would be a perfect landing spot for Martin
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
May 14th, 2022 2:48 pm
Three-time All-Australian Peter Everitt believes the NSW clubs make sense as a landing spot for Tigers superstar Dustin Martin.
Martin returned to action last weekend against Collingwood following a leave of absence from Tigerland as he grieves the death of his father Shane in December.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist, who’s often shied away from the limelight and public attention, reportedly spent several weeks in Sydney during his time away from football.
And speaking on the Herald Sun Sacked podcast, Everitt, who played 39 of his 291 AFL games at the Swans, believes Martin would flourish in the move slightly further north.
“Dusty would love it. He would be a driving force. We know how many fans are passionate Swans fans and at GWS he would put them back on the map, absolutely,” he said.
“I think it would be a massive coup for any of those NSW teams to get him. They would love it, they would embrace you. Everyone is in good spirits there.
“I don’t want to recommend it to every player.
“People say footballers don’t read the papers or know what is happening. Of course we read the papers, we want to see what people are saying about us. But in Sydney you don’t get that, you get that step away.
“Even when interstate teams come up and it’s a weekend away, it’s a different vibe around footy.”
Martin’s manager Ralph Carr has previously said Martin enjoys spending time in the Harbour City, but that he wouldn’t seek a trade there.
But if Martin were to request a move on compassionate grounds, Saints legend Leigh Montagna thinks the Tigers would command a hefty return.
“If, hypothetically, he wanted to go to New South Wales, Richmond would want from the Giants I think at least a first-round pick and someone like Tim Taranto in return,” the dual All-Australian said on Fox Footy.
“If Dustin loves his footy and is committed, he could play for another five years.”
However Hawks great Jason Dunstall thought it was too much to give up for Martin, who turns 31 next month.
“Look at the deals that have been done in the past, how could you possibly, given a player of Martin’s age, expect to get that in return?” Dunstall posed.
Martin sensationally nearly joined the GWS Giants at the end of the 2013 before recommitting to the Tigers.
He’s contracted at Richmond until the end of the 2024 season.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2022-dustin-martin-trade-to-nsw-clubs-sydney-swans-gws-giants-peter-everitt-news-whispers-latest-what-would-he-cost/news-story/f063ceb97b036d396c9a21c8f551f225
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“He loves this club”: O’Neal dismisses Martin trade rumours
“Not that long ago he said to me ‘I’ll never be in anything but yellow and black’ and so I’ll hold him to that.”
Danielle Sorati
zerohanger.com
MAY 14, 2022 - 2:21PM
Outgoing Richmond President Peggy O'Neal had shed light on Dustin Martin's return to football in an interview with 3AW, ahead of Richmond's Round 9 clash against Hawthorn.
The three-time premiership Tiger returned in Round 8 after a six-week absence for personal reasons, sliding back into the side with ease.
When asked if the club ever internally suspected the star wouldn't return to the field, O'Neal was categorical in her denial.
"Dustin loves to compete and he loves football and it's a real part of his life that he looks forward to," O'Neal said to 3AW.
"There was never an idea that he would not come back to football and as we saw it will take a little while to get the rust out but he's still playing pretty good football."
Martin impressed in his return in Round 8 against Collingwood, collecting 23 disposals, 2 goals and 11 score involvements in the 27-point win.
While the 2017 Brownlow Medallist is tied to Punt Road until at least 2024, speculation about the 30-year-old's future at Richmond and in the game has swirled throughout 2022.
Having played 262 games for the Tigers since his debut in 2010, O'Neal remains confident that Martin will remain at the club.
"We have him for two more years and I haven't heard a word about that. Undoubtedly he likes getting away and getting out of the fishbowl from time to time but he loves this club and he loves this team," O'Neal said.
"Not that long ago he said to me 'I'll never be in anything but yellow and black' and so I'll hold him to that.
"For the next two years I'm certain that we can continue to watch Dustin play for the Tigers."
The 30-year-old was criticised by some pundits upon his return for his refusal to participate in media interviews after Richmond's win, which O'Neal swiftly dismissed.
"Dustin has been reserved in his own person through his whole career and I think the mystery makes it all the more interesting," O'Neal said.
"As I understand, people were told that it's unlikely that Dustin would agree to do an interview and I think he probably didn't want to draw a lot of attention to himself after we had won a game in a very convincing way over an old foe."
Speaking to ABC Radio Melbourne on Saturday morning, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick echoed O'Neal's sentiments, defending Martin's right to remain tight lipped.
"I was probably a little bit upset at a few people that made it more about them and less about Dustin," Hardwick said to Saturday Morning Sport.
https://www.zerohanger.com/he-loves-this-club-oneal-dismisses-martin-trade-rumours-120293/
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If he wants to stay that ends all the debate and speculation. I look forward to seeing his next 100 odd games in yellow and black.
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Sydney’s covert op to land Dusty Martin
The Sydney Swans have begun background talks with Dustin Martin’s manager to lure the Tigers star interstate, but at what cost?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/sheahan-ink-sydney-swans-start-quiet-talks-to-lure-dustin-martin/news-story/e7641b611fe6c56be5ae53e8e138a678
Tony Sheahan ::).
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He won't go in my humble opinion and he needs to think about his legacy in this situation. He's currently a footy god and to move would tarnish this for future earnings.
If for some reason he did go and we allowed it I don't care what anyone says but it would take 2 first rounders minimum plus a good player.
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AWAKEN THE SLEEPING TIGER
Richmond have only beaten Collingwood and Hawthorn in Martin’s two games back, but the quality of the opponent is not the point. You don’t measure Dustin Martin against who he is playing, you measure him against himself.
Does he have his touch, his fitness and the more immeasurable idea of his appetite back? Yes, yes and yes.
He took a half against Collingwood to find touch, but it is unquestionably there again. His goal against Hawthorn, squeezed between opponents and at the point post was vintage Martin.
He is still building his fitness – he is playing primarily as a forward than midfielder at the moment. That might be the plan in any event given how damaging he is in Richmond’s structure at the moment, but as he gets more match fitness he remains a punishing change up in the middle of the ground.
And as for his appetite? How can we know other than to say he is back playing again and the way he is playing gives every indication he is enjoying playing football again?
So against the measure of how good we know Martin has been and what he can do, the last two weeks have said he is back and consequently so are Richmond, if not back to flag contention then at least back in the eight and a potential stalking horse of the Demons.
Critically for Richmond, they have few injuries – Balta did a hamstring but they have both of their two rucks back and their most important midfielder, Dion Prestia, is back in. He is not as important to them as Martin but he is not far behind in terms of his impact on the team.
And Tom Lynch is in the form of his career. Richmond always argued they measured Lynch’s game on more than goals but really that was always half bollocks. He’s a full forward, his goals are crucial and right now he is kicking bags, clunking marks and panicking opposition defences.
With Lynch back to his best form and Martin back in the team and in form, Richmond remain an X-factor for the finals.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/four-points-ryder-martin-among-quartet-firing-up-teams-finals-20220515-p5alg1.html
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Sydney’s covert op to land Dusty Martin
The Sydney Swans have begun background talks with Dustin Martin’s manager to lure the Tigers star interstate, but at what cost?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/sheahan-ink-sydney-swans-start-quiet-talks-to-lure-dustin-martin/news-story/e7641b611fe6c56be5ae53e8e138a678
Tony Sheahan ::).
Dusty would be best advised by RC who is one smart operator. Whatever option that is is anyone guess, but i would think with what the afl would cough up it may be hard for dusty to pass up especially if cotch leaves at years end.
recently went into some random venue and its owned by the pair of them, so one would think its now about maximizing dustys value. Success has already come.
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Tigers coach addresses Martin’s AFL future
Oliver Caffrey
AAP
May 17, 2022
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has given Dustin Martin his blessing if the Tigers superstar wants to leave the Melbourne AFL fishbowl.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist is two games back from his six-week break from the AFL due to personal reasons.
Martin took a leave of absence from Richmond after the Tigers’ round-one loss against Carlton as he continues to grieve the death of his father last December.
Rumours have floated around about the 30-year-old wanting to live a more private life outside an AFL-obsessed state and move to Sydney.
Hardwick on Tuesday addressed the possibility of Martin finishing his illustrious 263-game career away from Punt Rd.
“He’s a very important player to our footy club, on the field and off the field,” Hardwick said ahead of Richmond’s Dreamtime at the ‘G blockbuster.
“What he gives us, he’s paid us in spades.
“Whatever Dustin’s decision is moving forward is up to Dustin and to be honest he has my blessing.
“What he’s given me, us, our fans, he has been incredible and whatever we get from here on in is a bonus.
“I’m just lucky I get to see him on a weekly basis perform and train the way he does.
“He was a bit sore last week, he’d never put up his hand and say he was a little bit underdone.
“He’s a required Richmond player and a very important Richmond player.”
Hardwick hailed Martin’s influence in victories over Collingwood and Hawthorn as the Brownlow medallist played mainly as a forward.
“The way this guy prepares physically and mentally is first-class, it’s what the great ones do,” Hardwick said.
“There’s no coincidence the work he puts in gets rewarded with his on-field performances.
“Even after (Tuesday’s training) session, he’s doing extra running because that’s the sort of performer he is.
“We use him as an example for our young blokes, ‘listen you want to reach that level, first of all good luck but this is how you go about it’.”
https://www.aap.com.au/news/tigers-coach-addresses-martins-afl-future/
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How a blockbuster Dusty trade would get done
As Richmond says it wouldn’t stand in Dustin Martin’s way if he requested a trade, we analyse what it would take for one of the Sydney clubs to lure the superstar north.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trade-news-2022-keep-up-to-date-with-all-the-latest-contract-signings/news-story/b041f928fe5856e0d4aec7e33ca055f3
It's behind a paywall. Can I ask another favour for someone with access to post what it says?
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So a Hardwick/Dusty move to GWS is a possibility?
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Sometimes it is best to not be honest Dimma
The rumours will go into overdrive now :help :facepalm
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Dimma has been smoking too many joints. Every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it
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Would have to be one of the biggest trades in history and include 2 x top 10 picks plus more.
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Theyre preparing the supporters to get ready to say goodbye to the great one.
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Theyre preparing the supporters to get ready to say goodbye to the great one.
It does seem that way.
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Theyre preparing the supporters to get ready to say goodbye to the great one.
Dimma or Dusty?
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So a Hardwick/Dusty move to GWS is a possibility?
i doubt he will go to GWS, in fact i would be 100% confident its the swans or bust.
It makes sense given their window and buddy's last year.
if cotch decides to pull the pin she is all over, they will all leave. cotch, dusty and dimma IMO.
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Theyre preparing the supporters to get ready to say goodbye to the great one.
Dimma or Dusty?
Dusty
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So a Hardwick/Dusty move to GWS is a possibility?
i doubt he will go to GWS, in fact i would be 100% confident its the swans or bust.
It makes sense given their window and buddy's last year.
if cotch decides to pull the pin she is all over, they will all leave. cotch, dusty and dimma IMO.
I don't think Cotchs legacy after leaving would be everyone walking out the door. Don't think he'd like that.
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I should have also said the speculation will go into overdrive as well
IMHO Dimma won't be going anywhere
And I pretty confident Dusty won't be either
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Theyre preparing the supporters to get ready to say goodbye to the great one.
Dimma or Dusty?
Dusty
Just remember where you heard it first Ramps
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Theyre preparing the supporters to get ready to say goodbye to the great one.
Dimma or Dusty?
Dusty
Even stockbrokers get it right once in a while…
Just remember where you heard it first Ramps
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I don’t post on here like a stockbroker bud
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How a blockbuster Dusty trade would get done
As Richmond says it wouldn’t stand in Dustin Martin’s way if he requested a trade, we analyse what it would take for one of the Sydney clubs to lure the superstar north.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trade-news-2022-keep-up-to-date-with-all-the-latest-contract-signings/news-story/b041f928fe5856e0d4aec7e33ca055f3
It's behind a paywall. Can I ask another favour for someone with access to post what it says?
Sydney would need to hand over Tom Papley and a first-round draft pick to prise Dustin Martin out of Richmond and lure him north to end his career, according to a retired list expert.
The Brownlow medallist is contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2024 but speculation continues over his future because of his fondness for the less intrusive Sydney lifestyle.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick shocked the football world on Tuesday when he said he would not hold Martin to his seven-year mega contract.
“Whatever Dustin’s decision is moving forward is up to Dustin and to be honest he has my blessing,” Richmond coach Damien Hardwick said on Tuesday.
“What he’s given me, us, our fans, he has been incredible and whatever we get from here on in is a bonus.”
Martin spent time in Sydney earlier this year while on personal leave from Richmond as he mourned the death of his father Shane.
Any move to the Harbour City would likely see Martin end up at the Swans.
Sydney insiders have been tight-lipped on a move, one telling News Corp only that Martin is a “bloody good player”.
It is understood cross-town rival Greater Western Sydney would be unlikely to enter the race for Martin’s services because of a tight salary cap situation and a list build that is in a different position to the Swans.
Former Collingwood recruiter Matthew Rendell said Martin would command a heavy price tag at the trade table, with the Tigers ultimately holding the upper hand.
“The first-round pick of Sydney might not be that great. It might be pick 10 at best,” Rendell said.
“That’s why you’d have to throw a really good player in.
“If it was going to come to fruition and I was Richmond, my first port of call would be, ‘We’re taking your first-rounder and Papley’.”
A livewire small forward, Papley is contracted with Sydney until the end of next season but is a Victorian who has long been linked to a move home.
Rival club recruiting bosses surveyed by News Corp said a top-10 pick in exchange for Martin could get the job done on its own given his age, without the need to add a player like Papley to the mix.
Such a deal would give Richmond a third top 20 pick in this year’s draft.
While he has been incredibly durable across his career, Martin turns 31 next month.
With Lance ‘Buddy’ Franklin’s career coming towards an end, Sydney is believed to be desperate for another marquee player like Martin to fill his spot.
“I’ve been up in Sydney and sat in the crowd and the majority of that crowd goes to watch Buddy,” Rendell said.
“Dusty would be a massive draw card. I think Buddy will go one more year but he’d be on a lot lower money and they could certainly backend Dusty’s contract, there’s no doubt about that.
“They might think we’re a chance to win a flag with Dusty. He’s got a habit of it. So they’d have a crack and they know they need a high-profile player year-in, year-out to draw members, sponsors and people through the gate.”
On the current ladder order, Richmond already holds two top-20 picks in this year’s draft.
The Tigers have their own first-round selection (currently pick 11) as well as North Melbourne’s second-round selection (currently pick 20) which they secured as part of the Callum Coleman-Jones trade last year.
The fifth-placed Swans currently have picks 14 and 18, holding Melbourne’s first-round pick as part of the Jordan Dawson trade last year.
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Sometimes it is best to not be honest Dimma
The rumours will go into overdrive now :help :facepalm
agree. Robbo is just rubbing his hands with delight
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Dimma is a dumb campaigner. Just no need to say this sort of poo in public. Just stirs up trouble for the club.
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Dimma is a dumb campaigner. Just no need to say this sort of poo in public. Just stirs up trouble for the club.
Hardwick is just being honest. Dusty has done everything for the club and no one would begrudge him wanting to go to Sydney. Hardwick is just putting it on record that the club values Dusty and his mental health above club selfishness. Being a Richmond man is the mantra.
And what trouble would this stir up?? The noise is going to happen and every media interview from here will have the question of Dusty's future come up. Hardwick's comments reduce the pressure on future interviews with Richmond coaches and players. The question has been answered.
Everyone else can run around worrying about Dusty's future while we get on with the job of winning games this year.
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And what trouble would this stir up?? The noise is going to happen and every media interview from here will have the question of Dusty's future come up. Hardwick's comments reduce the pressure on future interviews with Richmond coaches and players. The question has been answered.
Cannot agree with you here Gracie.
Yes the question will be asked in every interview anyone from the Club does going forward
For the inexperienced this creates huge pressure. Can you imagine if MRJ was doing the guernsey promo today and not Monday and what the media would do grilling the kid?
Guarantee you Dimma will be asked again about it in after match presser
While I applaud his honesty on one hand it has clearly created a media frenzy that is not needed. I think he could have answered without saying "I give him my blessing". Because as we have seen the media hasn't commented much if at all on what he said prior or after he made that comment.
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‘How does he get there?’ The Dusty-to-Sydney idea is ‘real’... working out how is difficult
Fox Sports
May 18th, 2022
AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson believes the prospect of Dustin Martin leaving Richmond before the end of his career is “real”, as comments from coach Damien Hardwick continue to draw interest.
Asked multiple times how he’d react if Martin - contracted for two more years - were to seek a trade or a move to New South Wales, Hardwick told reporters the three-time Norm Smith medallist “has my blessing” to do what he sees fit.
Speaking as part of AFL 360’s ‘real or over-reaction’ segment, Robinson was presented with the idea Martin could be playing in Sydney next year.
“Overreaction, but talk to me in two years’ time,” he said.
“In two years’ time you ask me is Dusty going to be in Sydney and I’m going to answer real.
“How does he get there (if he were to leave at the end of this year)? He’s on a million plus, people are saying he might go at the end of this year.
“How does Sydney fit $1 million into their salary cap and what do they give up to get him?”
AFL legend Leigh Matthews was taken aback by Hardwick’s comments, which he believed needlessly paved the way for a potential Martin exit.
“I reckon it’s the first time a coach has said, ‘If one of my players leaves I’ll support him.’ I find it a very strange thing to say, to be honest,” he said.
“I don’t know whether I’d be buying into saying I’d support him no matter what, to say we support him and if he leaves he’ll go with my blessing, that’s a very unusual comment.
“If anything I’d have thought it had opened the door up to the possibility that Dusty may look to go elsewhere at some point in his career.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-trade-leaving-richmond-damien-hardwick-press-conference-trade-to-sydney-reaction/news-story/5a189f3b58d667987a93dd8f6ebe815e
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Why Tigers would prefer to deal with Giants over Swans if Dustin Martin requested a trade
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
May 18th, 2022 10:00 am
Triple premiership Bomber Tim Watson believes Richmond would prefer to deal with the Giants, rather than Sydney, should Brownlow Medallist Dustin Martin request a trade away from the Tigers.
Watson’s comments come after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick on Tuesday indicated he wouldn’t stand in Martin’s way if the superstar ultimately chose to continue his AFL career outside of Melbourne.
Speculation has intensified in recent weeks that Martin, who’s contracted to Richmond until the end of the 2024 season, may want to escape the Melbourne-based AFL bubble and relocate to Sydney to lead a more private life.
When pressed about the possibility of a Martin move by reporters on Tuesday, Hardwick said he hoped that prospect wouldn’t eventuate, but added the triple Norm Smith Medallist had already given the Tigers so much across his Punt Road stint to date.
“Whatever Dustin’s decision is moving forward is up to Dustin and, to be honest, he has my blessing,” Hardwick said. “What he’s given me, us, our fans has been incredible.
“Whatever we get from here on is a real bonus, from my point of view, so I just luckily, like the rest of us, get to see him on a weekly basis perform and train the way he does.”
Speaking on SEN Breakfast on Wednesday morning, Watson said the Tigers would have the right to nominate tell the contracted Martin what club they’d prefer to deal with should he want to move to New South Wales.
“Hypothetically, if you were Richmond, would you allow somebody like a Dustin Martin to go to the Sydney Swans, who you may be competing with for a flag next year? I would say no,” Watson told SEN Breakfast.
“Damien Hardwick has almost said, which is extraordinary, he would ‘go with my blessing if he wanted to go’, so he‘s on the record as saying that now. But if Dustin came to you and said ‘look I do want to go to Sydney’, I would say, if I’m Richmond: ‘OK, you’ve been great for our football club, you can go and try and do a deal and go to GWS. But we’re not going to allow you to go to the Sydney Swans.’”
Martin, who’s won three flags and played 263 games since being drafted by Richmond with Pick 3 in the 2009 draft, has played a key role in the Tigers’ two most recent victories after returning from personal leave to mourn his late father Shane’s death in December.
It was reported last month that Martin had spent several weeks in Sydney while on leave, with both the Giants and Swans now monitoring Martin’s situation behind the scenes.
Watson said he wouldn’t be surprised if Martin had held significant conversations about his future with his management and people he trusted during his time away from the Tigers.
“I think what’s happened is there’s been a discussion in the time that Dustin was away,” Watson said. “I think they’ve had all these sorts of discussions about what he’s doing, how he’s feeling, where he wants to play his football, where he may want to live – all those sorts of things. I think they’ve been on the table.
“And in the process of having that discussion, it may have been brought up with Ralph Carr, his manager, he (Martin) would like to at some point move away from Melbourne and out of the bubble and he might like to finish his career playing up in Sydney.
“I don‘t think it’s a stretch to say that that conversation has taken place somewhere at Richmond.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-trade-tigers-would-prefer-sydney-swans-over-gws-giants-says-tim-watson-richmond-contract/news-story/f7e5715625b2a4a5f9ba29084f5bc0b1
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Always will be a Richmond legend .
Who won the Kennedy/Judd trade ?? My money is on West Coast.
We could clean up here .
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Always will be a Richmond legend .
Who won the Kennedy/Judd trade ?? My money is on West Coast.
We could clean up here .
Agree with all this
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We're dusting off the Trade Bell!
*IF* Dustin Martin requested a trade to a NSW side, what would Sydney or GWS have to give up in a trade to Richmond?
Let's have some *hypothetical* fun.
https://twitter.com/WhateleySEN/status/1526723630146547712
Tom Green to Richmond.
Dustin Martin to GWS.
Who says no?
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1526724552218116101
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And what trouble would this stir up?? The noise is going to happen and every media interview from here will have the question of Dusty's future come up. Hardwick's comments reduce the pressure on future interviews with Richmond coaches and players. The question has been answered.
Cannot agree with you here Gracie.
Yes the question will be asked in every interview anyone from the Club does going forward
For the inexperienced this creates huge pressure. Can you imagine if MRJ was doing the guernsey promo today and not Monday and what the media would do grilling the kid?
Guarantee you Dimma will be asked again about it in after match presser
While I applaud his honesty on one hand it has clearly created a media frenzy that is not needed. I think he could have answered without saying "I give him my blessing". Because as we have seen the media hasn't commented much if at all on what he said prior or after he made that comment.
Dimmas comments become the party line. MRJ can now answer "as Dimma said...." pressure is off the kids. Questions can still be asked but the same answer comes back. Different if Dimma didn't offer up those comments then it would dominate any future interviews.
The actual pressure for answering the question has been thrown back onto Dusty and Ralph Carr
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Dimmas comments become the party line. MRJ can now answer "as Dimma said...." pressure is off the kids. Questions can still be asked but the same answer comes back. Different if Dimma didn't offer up those comments then it would dominate any future interviews.
The actual pressure for answering the question has been thrown back onto Dusty and Ralph Carr
Fair points :thumbsup
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Swans play flat bat as Tigers ‘not worried’ about Dusty trade claim
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
May 18th, 2022 4:00 pm
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is so well-respected at Tigerland, the club would “have to listen to him” if he did request a move to Sydney.
Tigers senior club advisor Neil Balme said while he had not heard Martin talk about finishing his career in Sydney, the club would respect the 30-year-old’s wishes.
“Our position is he’s contracted and we’d love him to stay and we hope he does and we think he will,” he said on SEN.
“But the truth is if someone like Dusty, who we respect so much as an individual, came to Damien (Hardwick) and said ‘There’s all of these things happening in my life and I need to go to Sydney’, we certainly would have to listen to him.
“From a pure footy point of view, we’ve done all the things we needed to. We’ve contracted him, he’s committed to us, we’re committed to him. We want him to stay. We don’t want him to go anywhere.
“If something really weird happened, which kind of has with the Covid, and his losing his dad and all those sort of things, of course we’d listen to him. Because we respect him. But we don’t think that will happen.”
Balme’s comments come as Sydney coach John Longmire denied reports linking his club with the three-time Norm Smith medallist and premiership star.
“We haven’t spoken about him. I’m not sure where that leaves us other than the fact we haven’t spoken about it. It’s not something we’ve discussed,” Longmire said on Wednesday.
“If you look at the history of me commenting on players’ contracts, I don’t [even] comment on players from our club and their contract status. I certainly don’t comment on players from other clubs that are contracted, and don’t read anything into that either. It’s just not something I get involved in or talk about.”
Four-time premiership Hawk Luke Hodge said Martin, like former teammate Lance Franklin, could benefit from escaping the Melbourne pressure environment – but warned there would be risks involved.
“You put Bud and Dusty in probably the same category as they are the biggest faces, biggest names in the AFL but don’t love the limelight,” he said on SEN.
“They don’t want the attention; if they could just go and live their life and play football on the weekends that’s their ideal week, their ideal career.
“So for him to go out of the bubble into Sydney, I noticed a big difference moving to Brisbane when you are opening 10 pages of the paper before you see an AFL article.
“You can sort of see how Bud’s really enjoyed it and flourished with no AFL knocking on his door.
“You’ve got to realise, if Dusty does go – I’m not saying he will go, but if he does, that pressure is going to be back on him.
“Richmond have built a football club in and around him. He’s got no pressure – everyone understands how he plays, the team works around him with his strengths and weaknesses. It is a big jump going to a football club where they have big expectations.
“As much as the bubble getting out of, there is a lot of pressure that goes with it.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/swans-play-flat-bat-as-tigers-not-worried-about-dusty-trade-claim/news-story/fe4c064fb1b09fdceec660518f2280e1
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Balmey's exact quotes about Dusty.
“WE’RE NOT WORRIED”: TIGERS COMMENT ON SWIRLING MARTIN RUMOURS
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
18 May 2022
Richmond’s senior advisor Neil Balme insists the club is not worried about the swirling Dustin Martin rumours.
Speculation persists that Martin could be considering a move to Sydney to be out of the Melbourne footy fishbowl.
Tigers coach Damien Hardwick even opened up the idea by saying the Brownlow Medallist and three-time Norm Smith Medallist would depart with his blessing if he ever were to leave.
But Balme has never heard the Sydney idea come from Martin’s lips and says he is not too concerned about the talk.
“No, I haven’t, I must admit,” he said on SEN’s Dwayne’s World.
“We’re not worried about it. This is a crazy world and all sorts of things happen, but if something really weird like that were to happen, we’d certainly listen to his story.
“But we’re pretty certain that won’t be an issue. We don’t think he has any real desire to get out of the Tigers. I’m sure that’s the case, but if something came up we would talk to him.”
Balme praised Hardwick for the way he addressed the speculation, saying the game has changed in recent years to be more across a person’s needs, wants and mental wellbeing than it previously has been.
“I really admire Damien for answering the way he did because in the old days you’d say, ‘No, he’s contracted and we wouldn’t let him go under no circumstances’, which is really our position,” he added.
“Our position is he’s contracted and we’d love him to stay, we hope he does and we think he will.
“But the truth is, if someone like Dusty who we respect so much as an individual, came to Damien and said, ‘there’s all these things happening in my life and I need to go to Sydney’, well we’d certainly have to listen to him. That’s really what he (Hardwick) said, we’d listen to him.
“From a pure footy point of view, we’ve done all the things we’ve needed to. We’ve contracted him, he’s committed to us, we’re committed to him, we want him to stay and he’s a great player for us ands we don’t want him to go anywhere.
“But if something really weird happened like has kind of happened in the world with COVID and losing his dad and those kinds of things, if something happened then of course we’d listen because we respect.
“We don’t think that will happen and obviously we’re very keen to keep him.”
Balme insists that Martin is a happier person after taking some time away from the game earlier this year.
“I think he’s pretty good,” he said.
“You never know for sure, but he looks pretty good to me and he’s starting to play some good footy again.
“We’re very excited about what he brings, obviously.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/18/were-not-worried-tigers-comment-on-swirling-martin-rumours/
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A lot of noise.
Has my blessing to go but would break my heart.
I'd be asking for Green from GWS as a starting point. I really don't know what else it would take but he's is contracted so we could play hard ball but we won't. Maybe their first round pick also would be enough to sweeten the deal.
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Sam Edmund spoke to Ralph Carr - funny there doesn't seem to be much media coverage regarding the response. Obviously not the preferred narrative.
https://twitter.com/SENBreakfast/status/1526831201301897216
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Sam Edmund spoke to Ralph Carr - funny there doesn't seem to be much media coverage regarding the response. Obviously not the preferred narrative.
https://twitter.com/SENBreakfast/status/1526831201301897216
Clearly.
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"They could also look at a guy who's turning 31 and say, 'How can we make it work for us?'"
Matthew Lloyd says if Dustin Martin is to request a trade, it might not be the worst thing for the Tigers.
#9FootyClassified
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1526912939088822272
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‘Very unusual’: AFL legend baffled by Dusty answer as big question emerges in trade saga
AFL legend Leigh Matthews was surprised by Hardwick’s comments.
“I reckon it’s the first time a coach has said, ‘If one of my players leaves I’ll support him.’ I find it a very strange thing to say, to be honest,” he told 3AW’s Sportsday.
“I don’t know whether I’d be buying into saying I’d support him no matter what, to say we support him and if he leaves he’ll go with my blessing, that’s a very unusual comment.
“If anything I would’ve have thought it had opened the door up to the thought that Dusty may look to go elsewhere at some point in his career.”
Geelong legend and GWS football director Jimmy Bartel suggested Hardwick’s comments may reflect his “confidence” that Martin will remain a Tiger.
“I think he’s almost saying that it’s going to be a tough task in the next two years to move him out of Richmond from a pure football point of view. Because he’s contracted and he’s got an enormous contract.
“If he’s gong to Sydney there’s only two clubs there, how are they going to fit him in the salary cap? Then they’ve (Richmond) got to be compensated coming back the other way.
“There’s a lot of things that would have to happen, that’s probably why there’s so much confidence.”
Speaking on Channel 9’s Footy Classified, former St Kilda and Fremantle coach Ross Lyon echoed Bartel’s sentiments.
“Maybe it’s easier to give your blessing when deep down you think it’s never going to happen because you know the kid that well,” he posed.
“If you talk about tradition, he is one player that should be a one-club player. A legend of the Richmond Football Club, no greater player, who wants to see him another guernsey?”
Martin returned to the field a fortnight ago after a seven-week break from the game as he grieves the death of his father Shane.
One of Richmond’s all-time greats, Martin played a key role in its three premierships since 2017 and has won a Brownlow Medal, four All Australian blazers and three best and fairest awards over his storied 264-game career.
But Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd wouldn’t rule out the superstar’s potential move “until I hear the words come out of Dustin’s mouth” otherwise, saying he could leave at anytime because “contracts mean nothing with players now”.
And Lloyd thinks there’s a genuine conversation for Richmond to have in how the club could try and manoeuvre a deal to its advantage.
“It would hurt a lot of people because Dusty is a hero of the game,” Lloyd said.
“But they could also look at a guy who’s turning 31 in June and say, ‘how can we make it work for us?’
“If you were Richmond, you wouldn’t fight and scratch (to keep him).”
Veteran journalist Caroline Wilson believes Hardwick’s response may hint he thinks there’s some “smoke” to the conjecture, but didn’t expect anything to materialise.
“It’s not going to happen in my view, certainly not before this contract,” she said.
“Some things are bigger than trade and technical. They’re Matthew Richardson being a one-club player, they’re Matthew Lloyd being a one-club player, they’re James Hird,” she said.
“Imagine if James Hird had gone or if you’d (Lloyd) gone to Carlton? It’s just not the same and it’s beyond dollars.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2022-dustin-martin-trade-to-nsw-clubs-rumours-whispers-response-leigh-matthews-jimmy-bartel-matthew-lloyd-caroline-wilson-richmond-tigers-gws-giants-sydney-swans/news-story/5bd27114245d1a519366691022ca8344
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‘These things happen’: Jack Riewoldt will back Dusty if star seeks fresh start
David Zita
Fox Sports
May 20th, 2022
Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt has echoed coach Damien Hardwick in saying the club would not stand in Dustin Martin’s way if the superstar requested a trade before the end of his current contract.
Martin’s future has made headlines this week after Hardwick said the three-time Norm Smith medallist - contracted until the end of 2024 - would leave with his “blessing” if he sought to move on for personal reasons.
Speaking on AFL 360 Extra, Riewoldt said he wanted to see Martin play out his contract at the Tigers, but would not put up roadblocks if his premiership teammate decided to seek a trade.
“I think this (player movement) is the reality of football going forward and it grabs headlines at a supersonic level because Dustin’s involved,” he said.
“If any player at Richmond comes to the club and says, ‘My family circumstances have changed, for my mental health I feel I’d be better in a different state and different journey’, why would a club stand in the way of doing that?
“Don’t get me wrong, Dusty has two years to go in a contract and is arguably the best player to ever play for the Richmond Football Club, of course we want him to see out his contract and we want him to be a Richmond man, but these things happen.
“People’s happiness take them on a different journey. I believe what Dimma said is truthful.”
Still, Riewoldt was unconvinced Martin’s trip to New South Wales during his personal leave this season was an indication of any future move.
“I can see where the correlations are drawn,” he said, “but the Dustin that we’re seeing around the football club at the moment and the investment to not only play but just the conversations he has with staff members about where the club is going and the direction doesn’t come across as someone that’s looking for a change at the moment.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-trade-richmond-tigers-jack-riewoldt-interview-damien-hardwick-comments-move-to-sydney/news-story/55fc15eb1db0dc4514f78972821d017a
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Love the bloke to death but in a pure footy sense it would not be worth any club giving up first rounders and good players for a 31 year old.
As a free agent yeah sure especially a team in a genuine premiership window where your not selling the house to get him in.
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I think it would be bad for medium-long term footy results for either GWS or Sydney.
Win a few more games for a few years maybe. Doubt either would win a flag though. Hurt their drafting and maybe lose another good player to get him through the door. Would purely be for club growth/membership etc.
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KING'S HIGH PRAISE FOR RICHMOND'S MESSAGING ON MARTIN FUTURE
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
20 May 2022
David King says it’s “frightening” how well Richmond has handled the constant talk around Dustin Martin’s future.
Coach Damien Hardwick said this week that Martin would go with the club’s blessing if he did seek to finish his career elsewhere, fuelling speculation on what his future plans may be.
The three-time Norm Smith Medallist is out of contract at the end of 2024, having just returned to the senior side after a period of personal leave.
King said regardless of what decision Martin makes on his future, Richmond’s public messaging means any potential exit of the club great would be seamless.
“Richmond has done this so well it’s frightening,” he said on SEN Breakfast.
“How they are handling the end of the Dustin Martin period… he will leave an unbelievable legacy and a trail of success really.
“What he’s been able to transform this football club from and to is quite remarkable, I don’t think there’s a club that would handle this as well as what Richmond has this week.
“People can say what they want about Damien Hardwick, but this is a difficult situation that I think Damien and the Richmond hierarchy have made so easy from here forward.”
Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt said it was so important to “look after your people” at a football club, saying an “invested” Martin hadn’t missed a beat since returning.
“Clearly (he) is invested,” Riewoldt said on SEN Tassie.
“He has kicked three goals in the last two weeks and had over 20 touches, his score involvements are through the roof so he’s playing really well.
“If someone isn’t happy and wants to go to a new environment for a legitimate reason, we would love to see every player that signs a contract see it out, but things change.
“It’s so important to look after your people, because there’s swings and roundabouts with this sort of stuff.
“It comes around, if you’re a good club and good organisation then you’ll be rewarded somewhere else.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/20/kings-high-praise-for-richmonds-messaging-on-martin-future/
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Good idea trying to take all the oxygen away from the media and watching them make stuff up.
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OPINION: AFL Legend Dustin Martin Should Leave Richmond
Billy Booker
bosshunting.com.au
22nd May 2022[/i]
Dustin Martin should leave Richmond Football Club and – if executed correctly – a blockbuster trade would benefit both the club and player in equal measure.
Don’t trust those archaic, self-proclaimed traditionalists: any romanticism around being a one-club player died years ago. Do I think less of Luke Hodge because of his stint at Brisbane? No way – his record as an all-time would’ve been secure even if he played on the bloody moon. What about Sam Mitchell’s one year at West Coast? Absolutely not. Good on him for getting out and learning a new system.
Consider the career paths of arguably the three greatest full-forwards of all time. Do I think ill of Tony Lockett (St Kilda and Sydney), Gary Ablett Snr (Hawthorn and Geelong), or Wayne Carey (North Melbourne and Adelaide) for playing at two clubs apiece? Again, absolutely not.
The same applies to Lance Franklin, Chris Judd, Nathan Buckley, Patrick Dangerfield, Gary Ablett Jnr, and many others. Two clubs. One club, meh. They’re all legends.
Football, and probably all professional sport, is at an interesting juncture where some fans are still living in the 1960s – an era when loyalty was king and if you moved you were a traitor. Times have changed, such binary views are antiquated, and the players don’t have mud on their knees nor 9-5 jobs anymore. If you want an injection of nostalgia, go and listen to The Beatles, because their songs will always be the same. Footy, on the other hand, won’t be.
Martin, who is arguably the greatest big-game player of all time, demonstrated by his three Norm Smith Medals for Best on Ground in three Grand Finals, is entitled to believe his work is just about done at the Tigers. What more can he achieve? Next month, he’ll be 31, and while he boasts a lucrative contract until the end of 2023, these deals are barely worth the A4 sheet of paper they’re printed on.
Before you throw your hands in the air and cry foul on behalf of Richmond, consider how many clubs have shafted players in recent years before their contracts were up. Jack Watts, Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson, Josh Bruce, Dan Hannebery, and Jake Stringer are just some who wanted to stay but were given no choice. Even though they had existing deals for the following season.
I’m saying that it works both ways. Clubs and players are equally as guilty for looking after themselves first. And why shouldn’t they be? Even Nick Riewoldt, a great one-club servant for St Kilda, was flicked before he was ready to retire. Clubs answer to members and sponsors, while players have a finite career and should make the most of their time at the top level above any supposed loyalty.
Martin’s case could be unique if handled correctly. Living in the footy fishbowl is not Dusty’s cup of tea, just as it wasn’t Buddy Franklin’s. If Sydney – which is either in or about to enter a premiership window – offers an attractive deal to Martin, why shouldn’t he consider it?
If the Tigers can get a couple of first round draft picks back in return that’ll help them accelerate a mini-rebuild, plus freeing $2 million from their salary cap, then why not? Like I said before, it would be mutually beneficial.
Oh yes, blind loyalty. That old chestnut. It’s a crock of poo these days, for reasons I’ve explained. The sooner we all start accepting this is an entertainment business and not a community level sport, the better we’ll be.
Martin has been an unbelievable player for the Tigers. If he played out the rest of his career in yellow and black, he’d receive as many post-career accolades as anyone. But if he went to Sydney – or any other club for that matter – his reputation would remain the same.
Dustin Martin should leave Richmond, for his own sanity, a fresh challenge, and for the long-term good of the club which has nurtured him since his teens. And if the deal is right, the Tigers should facilitate it. Sometimes the right calls aren’t the easy ones to make.
https://www.bosshunting.com.au/sport/dustin-martin-leave-richmond/
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I know it’s a journalists job to get clicks and attract the reader but come on! Talk about beating a dead horse.
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Gary Ablett Snr left Hawthorn very early on and wasn't anywhere near the big player with them.
His career is irrelevant to this story
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https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1527572848302526466
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LOL - Not happening. We don't need more fringe players in Florent and a small forward that can't kick goals away from the SCG.
Its Logan McDonald or they can pee off.
West C got pick 3 and Josh Kennedy for Juddabars
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LOL - Not happening. We don't need more fringe players in Florent and a small forward that can't kick goals away from the SCG.
Its Logan McDonald or they can pee off.
West C got pick 3 and Josh Kennedy for Juddabars
Judd was 5 years younger than dusty to be fair. But I agree I’m not too interested in that trade.
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Tom Greene is the trade. Has to be a 3 way trade. Releases money in GWS salary cap to keep Taranto and Hopper. Swans can give something to GWS or Dusty can move there (if he wants to move).
Think Schwatta for Shannon Grant.
Case closed.
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I actually think that's a decent trade, especially if they're paying Dusty's full $1.3kk
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yep greene or nothing. Does papley win games outside the SCG? who knows
IMV dusty leaves. (80/20) Ralph Carr is a very smart business guy and if dusty was my client i would be instructing him to think about his future earnings which would soar in the harbour city.
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yep greene or nothing. Does papley win games outside the SCG? who knows
IMV dusty leaves. (80/20) Ralph Carr is a very smart business guy and if dusty was my client i would be instructing him to think about his future earnings which would soar in the harbour city.
Carr is a very shrewd operator and would 100% be thinking about his future earnings. That’s why between them, they own half of Richmond’s commercial property.
Also I suspect that the endorsements Dusty has (Bonds as an example) are probably my worth more in the Victorian market than the NSW market.
Not sure if that’s enough to stay however, and that’s also not to say addition all commercial opportunities don’t exist further north.
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yep greene or nothing. Does papley win games outside the SCG? who knows
IMV dusty leaves. (80/20) Ralph Carr is a very smart business guy and if dusty was my client i would be instructing him to think about his future earnings which would soar in the harbour city.
Carr is a very shrewd operator and would 100% be thinking about his future earnings. That’s why between them, they own half of Richmond’s commercial property.
Also I suspect that the endorsements Dusty has (Bonds as an example) are probably my worth more in the Victorian market than the NSW market.
Not sure if that’s enough to stay however, and that’s also not to say addition all commercial opportunities don’t exist further north.
yep one of the best there is IMO. If its about his profile and building that up along with getting out of Melbourne :shh then he is gone. Dusty's legacy will not change just like it didnt for hodgy.
Yes they have been building up nicely. I recently went to an engagement and the whole building was owned by both of them.
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Hardwick was not interested in talking about Martin’s links to a move to Sydney.
“We’ve got him, and we want him to stay, end of story,” he said.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-fears-for-the-longterm-future-of-kane-lambert/news-story/f483573eba13d663355bab295e557ef7)
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/767906/listen-last-time-we-see-dusty-in-tiger-colours-at-the-scg-
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It’s like 2017 all over again with the north rumours. Atleast this time we’ve got him signed up for another couple of years.
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How often does rubbish Barrett get it right , lol he supports North.
Worry when you hear it from Ralph , the club or Dusty
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How often does rubbish Barrett get it right , lol he supports North.
Worry when you hear it from Ralph , the club or Dusty
exactly
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Barrett in his Sliding Doors column today.
IF ...
Dusty will be in the yellow and black on Friday night at the SCG ...
THEN ...
he might be in the red and white the next time he plays at the venue. Dusty v Buddy in round 11, 2022. Not beyond the realms the two will be teammates in round one next year.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/768085/if-bevo-thought-he-was-being-clever-and-cryptic-and-mysterious-
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All of this is media driven.
Now we've got Tom Browne claiming Dusty will be tempted by the Swans (unfinished) new facilities ::).
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Didn't see the first half but Dusty wasn't very influential in the second.
Sometimes he looked a little lazy to me again.
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Was much better first half. Faded out. Looks a bit unfit with his time off compared to others
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Not a great audition although did some dusty thinfs
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If I’m being honest Dusty since the swans game last year has produced quite a few average games, and last night was one of them.
He is either trying to hard or is getting on, and this is now the norm of what we should expect.
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Looked disinterested a lot of the time, no chase, no pressure. He only looks like competing when the ball is in his area.
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Looked disinterested a lot of the time, no chase, no pressure. He only looks like competing when the ball is in his area.
I agree, I got the feeling last night that I had in round one. His heart just didn't seem quite in it.
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Looked disinterested a lot of the time, no chase, no pressure. He only looks like competing when the ball is in his area.
I agree, I got the feeling last night that I had in round one. His heart just didn't seem quite in it.
He was pretty invested at the end when arguing for a 50.
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Looked disinterested a lot of the time, no chase, no pressure. He only looks like competing when the ball is in his area.
I agree, I got the feeling last night that I had in round one. His heart just didn't seem quite in it.
Yeah I thought he would have nailed that kick in the last quarter ro level the scores in past years
It's like he didn't put %100 into it.
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Dusty trade talk ‘will not quit’ — but how a deal could happen is complex
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
May 28th, 2022
Talk surrounding a Dustin Martin trade to one of the New South Wales clubs “will not quit,” according to Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph. But how a deal could actually materialise is complex.
Ralph reported on Fox Footy on Friday night that Tigers football boss Tim Livingstone told him Martin, who’s contracted until 2024, is “settled” at Richmond and enjoying being back around his teammates after his mental health break.
And Sydney has reportedly all but ruled out a move for the three-time Norm smith medallist.
“I can tell you categorically we haven’t had any discussions so I think it’s highly unlikely,” Swans chairman Adam Pridham told Fox Footy, per Ralph.
“There is not a great history of clubs bringing people in at that age to try and grab a premiership, and it working.”
As Ralph highlighted, the price for Martin would likely be too high for the Swans — both in terms of what he’d cost at the trade table and fitting his lucrative contract into their salary cap.
“Sydney have two first rounders, Pick 10 and 18, (the latter) which is Melbourne’s first-round pick. They’ll look to pay Buddy Franklin around $500,000, down from $900,000,” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“They’ve got expiring deals — Josh Kennedy, Callum Sinclair, Sam Reid, Lewis Taylor, Ben Ronke, Sam Naismith — they’ve got some cap space.
“But Martin is due $2.6 million in the next two years, he wouldn’t take less, the Richmond footy club wouldn’t pay him elsewhere. And so if — and it’s a massive if — the Swans gave up two first rounders, Richmond would have three first rounders and a North Melbourne second rounder, they could start to rebuild again.”
However Lions great Jonathan Brown believes the Swans’ track record of landing big names suggests they could launch a bid.
And he thinks Martin’s durability means he could play for several more years.
“One club that has gotten it done over the journey in getting big names is Sydney … they’ve had ‘Plugger’ (Tony Lockett), they’ve had Barry Hall, and obviously Buddy Franklin,” Brown said on Fox Footy.
“They could easily get that deal done. Yes, Martin might be owed $2.6 million for the next two years, they could offer him a longer-term deal, extend that out and get it through.
“The other thing you look at is yes he is 31, but he’s different, he’s been very resilient. He’s played 20 plus games every season, you look at his legs, they’ve never been injured. So he’s more like a 25-year old.”
Meanwhile, Ralph reported the Giants, although expressing more openness to getting Martin, have even tighter salary cap pressures.
“GWS are on the record through their football boss Jason McCartney saying, ‘if Dustin’s interested, we are as well,’” Ralph said.
“(But) They already need to cut someone under their cap, Tim Taranto wants to stay after talks this week, but it’s not certain.
“They already have so many elite inside mids — Stephen Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Jacob Hopper, Taranto, Tom Green, Tanner Bruhn — now you can make up the BigFooty-style trades, but again the salary cap is an even bigger issue there.”
Melbourne great Garry Lyon believes clubs are ultimately “too conservative” when it comes to such moves.
“In this instance from Dustin Martin’s point of view, it’s probably a whole different ball game given who he is and where he comes from,” he said.
“But I think in general clubs are way too conservative in contemplating such a move.”
Former Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley thinks Damien Hardwick saying Martin had his blessing to leave hints at his confidence the 2017 Brownlow medallist will remain at Punt Road.
“I thought Hardwick’s comments the other week led to the fact that he’s really comfortable that Dusty is not even contemplating moving,” Buckley said.
“I don’t reckon they’re placating him, I reckon they know that he loves the place, he doesn’t want to go and I think the coach knows Dusty can do what he wants and I’m happy to say that if I know that he’s going to stay.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2022-dustin-martin-trade-to-nsw-clubs-sydney-swans-gws-giants-rumours-whispers-latest-mock-trades-richmond-tigers/news-story/04ac20030cf53207c427af9e2cd2c2b1
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Looked disinterested a lot of the time, no chase, no pressure. He only looks like competing when the ball is in his area.
I agree, I got the feeling last night that I had in round one. His heart just didn't seem quite in it.
Yeah I thought he would have nailed that kick in the last quarter ro level the scores in past years
It's like he didn't put %100 into it.
Geez he just hit the wrong side of the ball. It happens got nothing to do with his desire or effort.
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Maybe this isn’t a media driven rumour. :rollin
Considering Dusty’s fondness for Sydney and what we could score as trade, does anyone think there’s a chance it’s a club driven rumour? :lol
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To be honest him and his manager can put it to bed speculation won't stop.
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My gut feel is the loss hurt us in another way on Friday night
Richo was boundary rider for Ch7, I reckon we win that game Dusty would have done a short post match interview with Richo.
Not saying he would have said what everyone seems desperate to hear but would have definitely taken some focus away
Just my take
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There’s no point talking about it anymore until the season is over.
It’s out there now so we’ll have to absorb the talk until then.
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Expectation for Dusty is huge.
Dusty best player in comp was 2017 and 18. That's 5 years ago. Look at Danger. He's finished.
Dusty is a big game player now, which come with inconsistency. He isn't a Parish, Oliver type where he is in his peak where being best player every week will happen.
His last 3 years he's had some inconsistent games. It's the fact he was able to pull out wordly performance in 2019 and 2020 finals which extended his aura and rightly so.
I think we need to pull back on expectations. He can't be expected to be best on every week any more. And hasn't been doing that for 2 seasons at least.
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Was a big game on Friday night and he didn't produce much.
Probably won't be there at the business end of the year so not many big games left you'd think.
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where is he at?
His best are not even great anymore, and if im being honest Cotch has delivered the same if not more than Dusty since the early part of last year.
I dont care for his previous years as that speaks for itself, but where is he now?
For mine he seems slow and has lost pace or is too timid to go in due to his injury. I dont really know but his form is average at best for a bloke on 1.2 million bux plus.
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Said this before but his heart doesn't seem in it to the level we've seen previously.
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If we make finals and get a sniff of winning it all - which I think is possible, dusty will give us an encore performance 100%.
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He looks as though he really is just going through the motions....Nowhere near where he was...Wants to be somewhere else..
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I have no doubt his kidney injury is still giving him grief. Not sure he has regained fitness or confidence. Even his kicking is off at the moment but I still think he has plenty of great footy left in him if he chooses to do what he needs to do to deliver it.
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If we make finals and get a sniff of winning it all - which I think is possible, dusty will give us an encore performance 100%.
This.
Minions need to get us in a position to contend.
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where is he at?
Personally, I reckon he is where someone who is grieving sometimes find themselves
Doing the best they can while still learning to live without a significant person in their life
Having been there myself people shouldn't think just because you are back to doing "normal" things, back to your day to day life the pain suddenly disappear. I would go to work, do my job as best I could but wasn't as invested as I needed to be. It took time but I got back there.
I am not trying to come across as some expert but I remember what I went through when I lost my Mum. She was the single biggest influence in my life and suddenly she was gone. It almost broke me. It took me close to 12 months to get through it.
Yes he's not at his best but considering he missed 6 odd weeks, he has had to deal with HUN printing more stories about his Dad in the last month I reckon he's doing OK
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I lost my mum 3 months ago and I too just turn up for work , but my head and heart aren’t in it that’s for sure.
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Dusty's "just going" is still better than most others
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Tend to agree that he feels lost without his Dad. His best friend and confidant who seemed to inspire him.
Seems down to me , which is normal when you lose the person you have been closest to
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I lost my mum 3 months ago and I too just turn up for work , but my head and heart aren’t in it that’s for sure.
Really sorry to hear this gigantor. I’m sure I speak for all OER we’re always here to lend an ear.
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If anyone is feeling sad or bored I'm down for a cuppa or a pot before the game haha
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If anyone is feeling sad or bored I'm down for a cuppa or a pot before the game haha
Stick ya cuppa up ya bum lol
A dozen pints are always a good option 😂
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I lost my mum 3 months ago and I too just turn up for work , but my head and heart aren’t in it that’s for sure.
Take care Gigantor, it's a tough time but in time things do get better
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Dustin Martin has become just the 12th player in Richmond’s history to reach the 300-goal milestone.
The list of Tigerland’s top 12 goalkickers is:
1. Jack Titus – 970
2. Matthew Richardson – 800
3. Kevin Bartlett – 778
4. Jack Riewoldt – 737
5. Michael Roach – 607
6. Dick Harris – 548
7. Jack Dyer – 443
8. Royce Hart – 369
9. Ray Poulter – 351
10. Dale Weightman – 344
11. Jeff Hogg – 306
12. Dustin Martin – 300
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1147031/dusty-joins-elite-tiger-goalkicking-group
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where is he at?
Personally, I reckon he is where someone who is grieving sometimes find themselves
Doing the best they can while still learning to live without a significant person in their life
Having been there myself people shouldn't think just because you are back to doing "normal" things, back to your day to day life the pain suddenly disappear. I would go to work, do my job as best I could but wasn't as invested as I needed to be. It took time but I got back there.
I am not trying to come across as some expert but I remember what I went through when I lost my Mum. She was the single biggest influence in my life and suddenly she was gone. It almost broke me. It took me close to 12 months to get through it.
Yes he's not at his best but considering he missed 6 odd weeks, he has had to deal with HUN printing more stories about his Dad in the last month I reckon he's doing OK
May be true now, but his form has been inconsistent for over 12 months. He was declining before his injury although he still had some very elite games last year, which have now gone missing.
If you look back on some games last year it’s the same output as what we are seeing today although it’s very consistent now.
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It’s not even fair to single out Port for this: in the same game, Dustin Martin copped a knee to the head from Jack Riewoldt, and looked worryingly dazed for a number of minutes before returning to the field.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/06/12/six-points-no-1-pick-needs-to-cut-the-dirty-play-out-now-and-why-the-bailey-smith-scandal-was-handled-perfectly/
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Tigers superstar Martin battling illness
Oliver Caffrey
AAP
14 June 2022
AFL superstar Dustin Martin is doubtful for Richmond's blockbuster clash with Carlton as he battles illness.
The Tigers will be out for redemption against the Blues on Thursday night after losing to their rivals for the first time in nine years in round one at the MCG.
But Richmond might have to do it without their three-time Norm Smith medallist.
"He's got a bit of a lurgy at the moment," Tigers coach Damien Hardwick told Fox Footy's AFL 360.
"He didn't train (on Monday), he's not particularly well at the moment as there's a bit of flu going around.
"He's got a couple of days to get better, and hopefully with some medication he gets up and about.
"He's probably doubtful so we'll wait and see how he goes.
"He's a fair beast, Dustin, so a 30 per cent Dustin Martin is still probably better than most."
Martin has been back to his rampaging best since returning from a six-game stint on the sidelines due to personal leave.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-superstar-martin-battling-illness-c-7152027
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Don't our blokes get a flu jab?
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RICHMOND'S Dustin Martin is still ill and in doubt to face Carlton.
On Tuesday, Tom Lynch indicated the triple Norm Smith medallist was still touch-and-go to play.
"We're not too sure at this stage," Lynch told reporters on Tuesday.
"I think he's got the flu or whatever he's got. So he's a bit sick and hopefully, we'll see if he's in at the club tomorrow and if he trains he'll put his hand up.
"But if not, it's just one of those ones you've got to wait and see and most clubs have been through it at certain stages this season.
"So yeah, just wait and see with him and if he's right to play he'll play and if not he'll have to miss out."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/780160/update-dusty-touch-and-go-star-forward-likely-to-return)
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Richmond star Dustin Martin won’t play in MCG blockbuster against Carlton
Russell Gould
June 15, 2022 - 12:50PM
NCA NewsWire
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has a “bad case” of the flu and won’t take on Carlton in Thursday’s blockbuster showdown but key forward Tom Lynch and Kane Lambert will.
Martin didn’t train with his teammates on Monday and was absent again on Wednesday morning as Richmond coach Damien Hardwick confirmed that Martin hadn’t recovered sufficiently enough from the “lurgy” that was keeping him away from the club.
It continues an interrupted season for Martin who has played just six of his team’s 12 games having taken an extended break following Richmond’s opening-round loss to the Blues before returning in round 8.
“He’s not very well the lad. He hasn’t trained all week, came down with it last weekend and hasn’t responded well,” Hardwick said on Wednesday.
“It’s going around at the moment and does knock people around.
“Some players respond to it better than others. Dustin unfortunately has a bad case.”
His absence comes just as Martin was working his way back to his best; Hardwick conceding the Brownlow medallist‘s offensive work had “lacked a bit of polish” in recent weeks.
“Defensively last week he was very good and we showed some clips of what he brings to the team when his defensive intent is such a high level,” Hardwick said.
“Offensively, he’d be the first to say his polish could be better, but he’s working his way back onto that. He’ll bounce back and be an important player.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-star-dustin-martin-wont-play-in-mcg-blockbuster-against-carlton/news-story/339aa6b2cd036e6ce89f1c65f21689a5
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Dusty back at training today :thumbsup.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-latest-selection-news-and-whispers-ahead-of-round-15/news-story/3f396af88ee09fdcb974b0d0d96582d4
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Tiger ace Martin to return to AFL action
Steve Larkin
7 news
22 June 2022
Dustin Martin is set to return to AFL action for Richmond this week.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says there's some doubt about the output of Dustin Martin when he returns from illness for Saturday's AFL clash against Geelong.
The Tiger ace missed last week's win against Carlton because of a bad bout of 'flu which Hardwick says knocked Martin around.
"How he comes out, we're not too sure," Hardwick told reporters on Wednesday.
"But we're pretty confident it (Martin's best) is not too far away.
"What we have got to realise, the level of expectation on Dustin is incredibly high.
"The way he plays the game even at 60 per cent is far above probably most, to be fair.
"He has been playing his role. We have been winning games with him playing that rol. Just him being in the side is a bonus for us."
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-ace-martin-to-return-to-afl-action-c-7253219
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He has not rediscovered the form that made him close to the premier player in the league in 2017-20, but Hardwick said it remained a reasonable expectation of Martin, who turns 31 on Sunday.
“No question,” Hardwick said. “He’s a guy that, touch wood, has been very lucky injury-wise.
“He hasn’t had the pre-season that we would have liked obviously with the issues that he’s had but the fact of the matter is guys don’t forget how to play. They just need to start getting into a bit of a groove and we’ve got no question that’s not too far away.
A fit and firing Martin, currently playing predominantly as a forward, would send shudders through the league with Richmond still firmly in contention for fourth flag in six years. “The way he plays the game, even at 60 per cent, is far above probably most to be fair,” Hardwick said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/no-question-hardwick-backs-in-martin-to-find-old-gold-20220622-p5avpe.html
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IF ...
Dusty is back ...
THEN ...
the footy world is a better place. Even in this most difficult and interrupted season, still has the most must-watch qualities of any footballer.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/784418/if-port-fans-are-familiar-with-the-phrase-eight-point-game-then
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"Nobody does it better. The big moment man"
Dusty's goal: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1540600170622005248
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Thoughts on Dusty's game?
19 disposals (12k, 7h, 9c, 11u, 47.4% eff.)
6 marks
2 tackles (1 in50 tackle)
3 clearances
2 inside 50s
2 intercepts
302 metres gained
6 score involvements
1 goal
2 behinds
90% time on ground
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
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Missed targets in big moments, no longer has that explosiveness to bust tackles and penetrate by foot.
Needs to start taking first options as he’s getting caught with the ball a lot more when he burns a player in a better position.
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Ge. Ramps we agree on a fair bit.
But this is an ordinary take. Let's remember he is post 30. Coming off no pre season with kidney issues. The loss of his Dad. Apparent loss of love and desire for game. For someone who has given us everything we ever wanted.
You could make an argument he is welcome to do whatever the hell he wants and collect the rest of his contract playing in VFL. Not that I'm suggesting that but reckon this take is pretty rough.
Kicked a massive goal from boundary when we were absolutely gawn and down 35 points. Granted was well off the pace first qtr but so we're many of us. I'm happy to give him a fair bit of time.
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Our best patch in the game coincided with his best patch in the game I thought.
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Criticise his performance if you must by why bring up his salary? He has earned every cent of that and so much more.
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Dustin Martin looks set to stay as a half-forward, as his trademark explosiveness is returning – I feel he is at maximum damage around goals, the only issue being whether he can contribute with Bolton down there as well. He icked a brilliant goal from the boundary line, however also looked a step off the pace, getting caught a few times trying to break tackles.
https://themongrelpunt.com/afl-season-2022/2022/06/25/geelong-v-richmond-the-mongrel-review-2/
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Criticise his performance if you must by why bring up his salary? He has earned every cent of that and so much more.
I will criticise what I want or close the whole site down? Everyone has criticised lynch at some stage and we don’t win one flag at least without him so why can’t I criticise Dusty’s salary THIS YEAR.
One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Ge. Ramps we agree on a fair bit.
But this is an ordinary take. Let's remember he is post 30. Coming off no pre season with kidney issues. The loss of his Dad. Apparent loss of love and desire for game. For someone who has given us everything we ever wanted.
You could make an argument he is welcome to do whatever the hell he wants and collect the rest of his contract playing in VFL. Not that I'm suggesting that but reckon this take is pretty rough.
Kicked a massive goal from boundary when we were absolutely gawn and down 35 points. Granted was well off the pace first qtr but so we're many of us. I'm happy to give him a fair bit of time.
Once again you need to read what I have now mentioned many times. It’s not his output since his personal issues as that is fair enough, but it’s his output since early last year (swans game) Not disputing what he has delivered before then, but past is the past now just ask Clarko. If we thought he was slowing down then I am even more alarmed at the club for not finding help for our mids.
His game was average especially when we needed a leader to step up he didn’t.
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Yes let’s shut the whole site down because you don’t like someone questioning your comments ::)
Sure go ahead and do it but bring up his salary like it gets negotiated at the strt of every season based on his current input makes 0 sense. I say the exact same thing about lynch on his thread and you bring up his contribution to us winning a flag, how many of those finals let along flags do we win without dusty…..? I’ll say it again, he has repaid us in full many times over.
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The shut the side down was directed at this site being an opinion based site and if you don’t agree then good for you. Not here to make you agree I’m making my point.
You can keep talking to yourself about years gone by, which I agree with what he has produced, and I will talk about his output since last year. Clearly you lack the mental capacity to seperate the 2.
Lynch is in the same boat. When he performs he performs and when he doesn’t anyone can question his output, and they do.
Cotch. Ffs people at stages this year wanted him gone too.
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Ge. Ramps we agree on a fair bit.
But this is an ordinary take. Let's remember he is post 30. Coming off no pre season with kidney issues. The loss of his Dad. Apparent loss of love and desire for game. For someone who has given us everything we ever wanted.
You could make an argument he is welcome to do whatever the hell he wants and collect the rest of his contract playing in VFL. Not that I'm suggesting that but reckon this take is pretty rough.
Kicked a massive goal from boundary when we were absolutely gawn and down 35 points. Granted was well off the pace first qtr but so we're many of us. I'm happy to give him a fair bit of time.
I didnt post lol but in fairness he isnt the same player he was. Weve seen his best. If we can offload to Sydney or GWS for a 1st round pick we should take it.
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But who knows ... maybe he turns up in September and gives us all a final encore performance. Then we'll be sayong sign him up for another couple on top.
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Criticise his performance if you must by why bring up his salary? He has earned every cent of that and so much more.
Why get upset when all someone is saying is he is not earning his salary atm.
Some one has to say it and good on FJ for it. he is way down on form and he is not earning his salary we can't all live in that ga ga land of denial.
Personally i think he has been fantastic and has earnt the right to play poor at times, in fact should be expected at his age and so on but that should not and does not exclude him from criticism.
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Not playing to his best but needs time and a bit of respect
1/He didn’t get a pre season - definately needed
2 /a possible career ending injury
3/ His mentor and best friend is no longer there to guide him
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If he wins us one more flag I'm happy for him to take the rest of his contract doing absolutely nothing
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Because salaries aren’t handed out based on match day performances or even season long performances. He earned his contract when it was handed to him in 2017 and I’m not gonna bother going thrrough what he has delivered since then as we all know what that is. If you don’t think he is ‘earning’ his salary right now then well just think how underpaid he was in previous seasons based on what he delivered.
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One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Criticise his performance if you must by why bring up his salary? He has earned every cent of that and so much more.
I will criticise what I want or close the whole site down? Everyone has criticised lynch at some stage and we don’t win one flag at least without him so why can’t I criticise Dusty’s salary THIS YEAR.
One word. Putrid.
His last 12 months have been mostly garbage for a bloke on a million plus.
Ge. Ramps we agree on a fair bit.
But this is an ordinary take. Let's remember he is post 30. Coming off no pre season with kidney issues. The loss of his Dad. Apparent loss of love and desire for game. For someone who has given us everything we ever wanted.
You could make an argument he is welcome to do whatever the hell he wants and collect the rest of his contract playing in VFL. Not that I'm suggesting that but reckon this take is pretty rough.
Kicked a massive goal from boundary when we were absolutely gawn and down 35 points. Granted was well off the pace first qtr but so we're many of us. I'm happy to give him a fair bit of time.
Once again you need to read what I have now mentioned many times. It’s not his output since his personal issues as that is fair enough, but it’s his output since early last year (swans game) Not disputing what he has delivered before then, but past is the past now just ask Clarko. If we thought he was slowing down then I am even more alarmed at the club for not finding help for our mids.
His game was average especially when we needed a leader to step up he didn’t.
Is it that simple though? He's at the back end of that co tract and is past his peak. He's 31 today. I think a bit of give is needed at the end of someone's contract is not going to be as good say at the start.
A 32 yo Dusty is not going to earn his $ per minute like a 26 yo Dusty. That goes for everyone really. Jack is the same. Edwards and Cotch are the same. No way are they as good as they were 5 years ago earning their contracts.
Harsh take for mine, but agree in that I'd love him to build into some better form.
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I agree shouldn't escape criticism, but bit of perspective his bad injury last season and interrupted preseason and then loss of his dad the bloke is still not in the right head space. His past is his past correct , but he owns us nothing we need to stick by him.
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I agree shouldn't escape criticism, but bit of perspective his bad injury last season and interrupted preseason and then loss of his dad the bloke is still not in the right head space. His past is his past correct , but he owns us nothing we need to stick by him.
:clapping
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Because salaries aren’t handed out based on match day performances or even season long performances. He earned his contract when it was handed to him in 2017 and I’m not gonna bother going thrrough what he has delivered since then as we all know what that is. If you don’t think he is ‘earning’ his salary right now then well just think how underpaid he was in previous seasons based on what he delivered.
Hmm a famous old saying. Your only as good as your last game in dusty's case it probably been his last dozen.
Not having a go at him just saying he is out of form compared to previous times.
Oh and yes i love this bloke and think even now he deserves his spot but FFS LET PEOPLE CALL IT AS THEY SEE IT.
YES he is well paid and atm he is not living up to that salary AND YES he is not anywhere near his best. What is so wrong in saying that.
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43% disposal efficiency is extremely poor.
His pressure acts (18) were quite high compared to his usual output.
I’d like to see him kick it better.
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He looks to me like the game is catching up to him.
Breakaway pace and strength isn't there anymore.
Still going to see decent footy out of him but I reckon he's slipping away.
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Just needs to keep it simple no need to take on players like before.
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The commentary about whether he is “earning his salary” is insane. He is 100% earning his salary. He basically earned his salary in 2017-2020. If we don’t win the premierships and if he doesn’t play his top shelf brand during that period we basically don’t get the memberships, the sponsors and the attendance.
Not to mention dusty would have gotten us better prime time TV slots as well. Anything dusty does now is surplus and we owe him the respect to try and support him. For the record I think he will have spurts where he’ll break out some vintage dusty magic like how Ablett, Judd we’re able to once they were past their prime but I don’t subscribe to the narrative that if he’s not having a 36 Brownlow vote season he isn’t living up to his salary
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The commentary about whether he is “earning his salary” is insane. He is 100% earning his salary. He basically earned his salary in 2017-2020. If we don’t win the premierships and if he doesn’t play his top shelf brand during that period we basically don’t get the memberships, the sponsors and the attendance.
Not to mention dusty would have gotten us better prime time TV slots as well. Anything dusty does now is surplus and we owe him the respect to try and support him. For the record I think he will have spurts where he’ll break out some vintage dusty magic like how Ablett, Judd we’re able to once they were past their prime but I don’t subscribe to the narrative that if he’s not having a 36 Brownlow vote season he isn’t living up to his salary
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Concerns for rusty Dusty
Damien Barrett & Matthew Lloyd discuss:
Go to 8:40 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/788948/concerns-for-rusty-dusty-rutten-under-enormous-pressure-north-s-sos
Barrett: You should never write off champions but I'm worried.
Lloyd: I was worried too with what I saw on the weekend as well. He got caught a lot early. He kicked a ripper goal in the third quarter to help the Tigers get back into the game. You can see he's missed a lot of footy and training. It doesn't matter who you are if you haven't been training and had a break.
Barrett: [vision shows Dusty getting caught] This is not the Dusty we know.
Lloyd: He's making one effort. You don't see the burst; the 1-2; he's relying on others to give him the ball a lot more than in previous years. Let's hope he can get that hunger back as it seemed he was just floating along on Saturday night in a big game.
Barrett: He kicked that great goal and he nearly kicked another to get them over the line as he has done countless times before. There was just that lack of spark wasn't there.
Lloyd: He should only get better with continuity from here.
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Dusty's footskills (aside from that freak goal) are clearly still rusty. Those slicing open play 45 kicks which he is usually brilliant act are slightly off and crucially missing teammates while he's missed two around the body snaps in the Sydney and Geelong games that he would normally snaffle.
Having said that, I actually thought on Saturday he was showing better signs in terms of the way he was moving and getting to contests. He seemed to spend more time in the midfield that in previous weeks since his return. I agree with Lloyd that a few more games should see a significant improvement as his aerobic capacity gets back up to speed with AFL level footy. At the moment, it looks like he can only run out say 3 qtrs rather than a full game. I didn't notice him much in the last quarter.
I wonder if the weight Dusty has lost slimming down post-op is affecting his ability to fend off and break tackles? He may have to adjust the way he plays in traffic and give the ball off more to teammates.
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"The damage it causes your culture-" 🗣️
"It didn't hurt Geelong and it didn't hurt Hawthorn when Ablett and Franklin left" 🗣️
Caro fires up at Kane Cornes' call for the Tigers to consider offloading Dustin Martin, with his value still high.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1541386687779069955
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Dusty will send opposition supporters his best regards when September comes around
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Did I see he wasn't training today??
Any issue with playing this week?
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Did I see he wasn't training today??
Any issue with playing this week?
Don't think any of them trained
Cubs clinic at Punt Road today
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Tuesdays day off?
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How to get Dusty as your personal trainer
Dustin Martin is set to make his mark in the fitness industry, giving people the chance to train with the Richmond superstar.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/fiona-byrne/dusty-set-to-reveal-the-secrets-behind-his-incredible-success/news-story/39536d64e35c52c4b5d210ec21ccd18d
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Is Dusty injured?
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Subbed off
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Any idea why?
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Hamstring
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Hamstring awareness/maintenance
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:(
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A glimpse of 'September Dusty' is better than nothing
Howard Kimber
afl.com.au
3 July 2022
Most football fans probably can't quite smell spring just yet, but it looks like a whiff of September hit Dustin Martin's nostrils on Sunday. In a personally challenging season that has seen Dusty's on-field returns at a career low, the finals specialist returned to his best against the Eagles before being subbed out of the second half with 'hamstring awareness'. Martin had 17 disposals and eight score involvements to half-time and was looking ready to return to the form that has delivered three Norm Smith Medals. The club said it was taking a 'conservative approach' in deciding to bench its superstar, something 100,000 or so Tiger members will hope is an understatement.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/790264/nine-things-we-learned-ryder-s-2022-vintage-is-as-good-as-any
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Tigers hopeful ‘just tightness’ for Dusty
By AAP
3 July 2022
Richmond will wait for an update on Dustin Martin's fitness after the superstar was substituted out of the club’s important 35-point win over West Coast with hamstring awareness.
Martin was taken out of the game early in the third term and is in doubt for the crunch clash with Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium on Saturday.
"I think he's just got tightness at this stage," Damien Hardwick said about Martin after the match.
"We’re pretty forthright with that sort of information, so once we know, you guys will know."
Martin helped set up the win over West Coast in the first half, finishing with 17 disposals, eight score involvements, four clearances and 359 metres gained.
"He was really good, electrifying, which was great," Hardwick said.
"He had his agility back and the ability to move the ball and see the ground, you know, his kicking was A1 today also.
"It was a good game, a really good game."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/792218/richmond-sweats-on-electrifying-superstar-s-injury
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1164529/tigers-hopeful-just-tightness-for-dusty
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I hope it doesn’t end up like tthe corked thigh saga 😭
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Could be a result of his part time training regime this year. Not fully stretched at this point
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So scans have shown a small tear for Dusty. Might see him for the Dockers game.
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So scans have shown a small tear for Dusty. Might see him for the Dockers game.
Strain not tear. Confirmed to be out this week and yeah I’d probably assume they’ll rest him the following week against north regardless of whether he’s right to go or not.
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Club statement:
Martin injury update
Scans have confirmed that Dustin Martin suffered a small hamstring strain in the third quarter of yesterday's match against West Coast.
Martin will not play this weekend, with the club to re-asses the short-term injury again next week.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1165171/martin-injury-update
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SEN saying Dusty will miss 3 weeks.
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Minor hamstring strain with no ice applied. Would be surprised if he missed more than 2. Reckon he would play next week if it wasn’t against the Roos.
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Dusty likely to miss this and the following week according to Dimma.
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Yep fair. Bring him back for freo.
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Such a shame about continuity. Looked like he was turning the corner and now another disruption.
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‘Very large chance he won’t be there next year’: Dustin Martin bombshell amid $2.6m issue
Fox Sports
July 5th, 2022
There is “a very large chance” Dustin Martin will leave Richmond at the end of the season, according to a leading AFL journalist.
The Tigers superstar suffered a rare soft tissue injury on the weekend, with a mild hamstring complaint to keep him out of Round 17’s clash with Gold Coast.
He took time away from Punt Road earlier in the year, “taking his time to figure out what he needs to move forward”, according to Richmond coach Damien Hardwick.
Martin is contracted until the end of 2024 but Nine’s Sam McClure suggested the Brownlow medallist’s 13th season at Richmond could be his last.
“As we sit here right now, there’s a very large chance that Dustin Martin won’t be playing at Richmond next year,” McClure said on 3AW’s Sportsday.
“I don’t know that part (which club he would go to). I’d be guessing.
“Sydney keep getting mentioned. He’s had a love of Sydney, Ralph Carr his manager has been on the record saying that. So if he wanted to go to Sydney, Sydney would move heaven and earth to make it happen.
“Damien Hardwick was on the record not long ago saying if he wanted to leave, he would leave with my blessing.”
Earlier in the year when Martin was considering his future, Tigers coach Hardwick said he wouldn’t stand in the triple Norm Smith medallist’s way if he wanted to continue his football career outside of Melbourne.
“What I will say is he’s a very important player to our footy club, both on the field and off the field, and what he gives us, he’s paid us in spades,” Hardwick said following Martin’s personal leave.
“Whatever Dustin’s decision is moving forward is up to Dustin and, to be honest, he has my blessing. What he’s given me, us, our fans has been incredible.
“Whatever we get from here on is a real bonus, from my point of view, so I just luckily, like the rest of us, get to see him on a weekly basis perform and train the way he does.”
Martin has long been linked with a move to New South Wales for family and lifestyle reasons. He spends much of his free time in Sydney and toured GWS’ facilities back in 2013, nearly joining the expansion club at the time.
He is owed a reported $2.6 million over the next two seasons which would make it difficult, but not impossible, for Sydney or GWS to fit him into their salary cap.
“You extend Dustin’s contract, that’s the easy way to do it,” McClure said.
“You pay him the $1.3 million for two years, you add two years out the back on not much money, and you get it done.
“A four year deal, give him the extra two. Say (to him) you’re probably gonna play at full forward. You conduct a situation where Dustin Martin and Lance Franklin are playing in the same forward line for a year - memberships sell themselves.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-future-very-large-chance-he-wont-be-at-richmond-in-2023-contract-sydney-swans-gws-giants-trade/news-story/a27ae7fd22558d3e82837a0305bfffab
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Oh man if there’s one journo you can absolutely ignore it’s Sam MacClure.
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This trash again smh
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Where will Dustin Martin be playing in 2023? Ranking the Brownlow Medallist's likely destinations
Aidan Cellini
Sporting News
5 July 2022
The Sporting News ranked the premiership-winning midfielder's most likely destination for 2023 and beyond.
#1 Sydney
Martin's link to Sydney has been circulating for a couple seasons, with the lure of returning back to his childhood area, Camden, a possibility.
The city of Melbourne has also fixated on the lives of AFL players, with any indiscretions heavily scrutinised and focused upon given the 'fishbowl' nature of the state.
New South Wales do take a more laid back approach on Aussie rule stars, given the highly supported NRL in the state, meaning the AFL tends to slip through the cracks.
Given his status, Martin would be recognised in almost every corner of the globe, but a move away from Victoria could be what he desires, with his hometown a likely suitor.
It has been suggested that the midfielder wants to live a more private life.
The Richmond champion also spent time in Sydney during his personal leave following the passing of his father earlier in the season.
Martin also looked at getting a trade from the Tigers back in 2013, when he toured the then expansion club GWS before remaining at Punt Road.
The Swans would struggle to get him across, but a player of Martin's calibre, a three-time Norm Smith Medallist, would almost force their hand if his desires are to move north.
#2 Richmond
Damien Hardwick offered his blessing earlier in the season to Martin if he chooses to leave Richmond.
During that time, the star on-baller was dealing with personal issues and speculation floated that he may struggle to play again.
“What he gives us, he’s paid us in spades," Hardwick said.
“Whatever Dustin’s decision is moving forward is up to Dustin and to be honest he has my blessing.
“What he’s given me, us, our fans, he has been incredible and whatever we get from here on in is a bonus."
Although it may seem unlikely that Martin stay at the Tigers, there's still strong hope that he remains put and sees out his contract to 2024.
Richmond have miraculously jumped back into top four contention in 2022 after a sluggish start and the potential to play in another flag may keep the Norm Smith Medallist in yellow and black.
With only four players older than Martin, it may give him belief that the Tigers can rise to the top again, with a new and improved crop on the rise.
#3 GWS
Seen as a courtesy option due to its location, GWS isn't officially a part of the conversation for Martin.
However, they attempted to lure the star back in 2013 but were unable to do so.
If the Swans can't barter a deal if Martin opts to leave Richmond, the Giants could swoop in with a godfather deal, trading out some of the younger stars to free up space for the champion.
#4 North Melbourne
Back in 2017, North Melbourne reportedly offered a massive seven-year, $10.5 million deal for Martin to pry him out of Richmond.
However, the Tigers went on to win the premiership that same year, as well as another two in the next three seasons.
Given the troubles facing the Kangaroos in 2022, they would have to offer something similar to what they did five years ago and hope it creates a ripple effect for other players to follow suit.
#5 Gold Coast
If Martin opens his services to the rest of the competition, Gold Coast should be a club to put their hat in the ring.
The Suns are on the brink of finals but need a few more pieces to the puzzle to elevate them into genuine contention.
A player like Martin would not only bring about on-field brilliance that we have seen over the past decade, but could attract other talent and assist in retaining key figures.
It should be noted that Gold Coast have not been officially listed as an option, but could be part of a conversation in the future if the 31-year-old chooses to leave.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/where-will-dustin-martin-be-playing-2023-ranking-brownlow-medallists-likely-destinations/b8viplulbzlfzwcm6gxvyssp
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Slow news day Part II :sleep
“IT’S PRETTY PETULANT”: DUSTY CALLED OUT FOR TREATING MEDIA WITH “GENUINE DISDAIN”
By Nic Negrepontis
SEN
6 July 2022
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Kane Cornes is not a fan of Richmond star Dustin Martin’s treatment of the media, particularly after he refused to answer questions asked at a doorstop earlier this week.
Martin was heading for scans on his injured hamstring when he was met by 7AFL’s Mitch Cleary, who asked how he was going. The Tigers champion simply kept walking, ignoring the reporter.
“It’s pretty petulant, don’t you think? I thought it was petulant from Dustin Martin,” Cornes told SEN SA Breakfast.
“You’ve got the game’s biggest star refusing to talk to basically Channel 7’s number one footy reporter, the host broadcaster, and looking at him with genuine disdain and completely ignoring him.
“There is a level of respect on how to treat people. A lot of footy fans don’t rate the media and a lot of players don’t too, but I think it’s more about how you treat people and if you’re going to accept a $1.2 million cheque per year basically from media rights, I think there’s a real arrogance about that, and some people would say that’s overdoing it, but he refuses to do on-ground interviews after.
“You’re the game’s biggest star, I just reckon it’s not hard to just say, ‘Hey Mitch, I’m not sure mate, we’ll find out later in the week’. That’s all you’ve got to say.
“You’re speaking to the supporters as well. You may hate the media … but you’re speaking to the 100,000 Richmond members who never hear (from you).”
Fellow Channel 7 reporter and former SANFL star Andrew Hayes believes Martin should follow Robbie Gray’s example.
“Do you know what the best example is? Robbie Gray just doesn’t like doing media interviews. He didn’t want to do one for his 250th, and that’s fine, he doesn’t like that space and he doesn’t have to like it,” he said.
“But if he’s asked, or he’s in a situation where he needs to do it, he’ll do it, and does a really good job. He doesn’t want to get door-stopped, but a few times we have door-stopped and he’ll sit there and chat with you and give you a really good conversation.
“He’s not giving you information that’s going to criminalise anyone. He’s just giving information so people watching are getting something. That’s the perfect way to do it.”
Hayes added that most journalists are equally uncomfortable when asked to do doorstops.
“I’ve had to do it so many times now and firstly, journos don’t want to do it. It’s not a journo’s happy place,” he said.
“If people think that’s where journos really thrive and get excited, no, most of them don’t.
“And secondly, it’s always for trivial stuff like this. Doorstopping footballers to ask how their injury is going as they’re going into a scan. They don’t know and we know they’re going to say ‘I don’t know’, so just say ‘I’m not sure, we’ll see how it goes’.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/05/its-pretty-petulant-dusty-called-out-for-treating-media-with-genuine-disdain/
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I'd rather be petulant than a campaigner like Cornehole and an ambulance chaser like Cleary
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Petulant because he ignored reporters… get over yourselves. He doesn’t work for you and isn’t on call. When you stop writing rubbish about the guy and actually report on news / facts he might give you the time of day.
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I don’t mind people in the media having a crack at him but pretend you speak on behalf of supporters….there would be practically noone interested in those doorstop interviews
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Tom Browne on 7news just now:
"Background discussion of Dusty potentially requesting a trade to Sydney just won't go away."
"Swans are puzzled by this. Sydney sources there today say they are absolutely and unequivocally not involved. Haven't spoken to Dustin Martin."
"So for now you can strike them off the potential list."
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Tom Browne on 7news just now:
"Background discussion of Dusty potentially requesting a trade to Sydney just won't go away."
"Swans are puzzled by this. Sydney sources there today say they are absolutely and unequivocally not involved. Haven't spoken to Dustin Martin."
"So for now you can strike them off the potential list."
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Must be GWS then. Taranto and Tom Green come on down.
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Kane Cornes calling someone else "petulant" is hilarious. He's one of the biggest attention seeking sooks out there.
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As for crying about how Dusty ignores the media :sleep :nopity
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Tom Browne on 7news just now:
"Background discussion of Dusty potentially requesting a trade to Sydney just won't go away."
"Swans are puzzled by this. Sydney sources there today say they are absolutely and unequivocally not involved. Haven't spoken to Dustin Martin."
"So for now you can strike them off the potential list."
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Here's the report:
Go to 1:38 min mark
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/DustySwansNotInterested.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1544605149246943232)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1544605149246943232
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A bloke trained by “i go through bins” Hutchison what do you expect. So consumed by their own importance they forget they have no entitlement to someone’s private information .
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"I thought the talk about Sydney was a complete furphy – I'm now hearing that perhaps it's on."
Caroline Wilson believes people at Richmond are beginning to consider life after Dustin Martin, as the prospect of him leaving becomes increasingly likely.
Click to pic/link watch:
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https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1544632951228571649 (https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1544632951228571649)
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Tom Harley says no just as he did about De Goey and laughs that he hasn't been asked about Dusty for month and yet Caro reckons that's not definitive :huh3.
Ross Lyon was the one making sense. Grieving is a process. Let Dusty be.
The treatment of Dusty by the media has been a disgrace :thumbsdown.
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AFL Media..
Speculate Dusty is headed North to be the marketing face of an expansion team.
Same Media..
Angry that Dusty avoids the media spotlight.
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https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1544479985850650625
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‘It’s on’: Swans ‘show interest’ as Richmond now ‘looking at life beyond Dusty'
Fox Sports
July 6th, 2022 9:03 pm
Veteran AFL journalist Caroline Wilson believes a Dustin Martin move to Sydney “is on” with the Harbour City club considering a mega-trade for the Richmond superstar.
Earlier this week Nine’s Sam McClure reported there was “a very large chance” Martin would not be at Tigerland past this season.
On Wednesday night Wilson said she believes there has been a change at both Richmond and Sydney regarding the triple Norm Smith medallist’s future.
“I thought the talk about Sydney was a complete furphy. I’m now hearing that perhaps - it’s on. It’s certainly something that is being considered,” she said on Nine’s Footy Classified.
“Sydney have shown some interest. Not directly necessarily in Dustin Martin. And Dustin Martin, according to people at the club, just isn’t quite as engaged as he was in the past.
“He started the year with a broken heart, it was a shock loss at the end of last year ... and for the first time I think there are people at Richmond looking at life beyond Dustin Martin.”
Martin took personal leave earlier this season as he dealt with the death of his father Shane, who he was extremely close with, and has spent much of his free time in New South Wales.
He is owed a reported $2.6 million over the next two seasons which is a factor in the Tigers’ current thinking, as they weigh up whether they would ever let him go.
Foxfooty.com.au reported on Wednesday night the Tigers are among the key suitors for Giants midfielder Tim Taranto.
“There's a bit going on behind the scenes. Richmond are trying to keep Liam Baker, they’re looking at (Jacob) Hopper, (Tim) Taranto,” Wilson said.
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd suggested Martin’s exit would be "sad” for Richmond but not necessarily the worst thing for them on the field.
He pointed out it would allow them to free up a large amount of salary cap space, while he pointed to the risks for the Swans, even if they extended his deal to smooth out the high yearly salary numbers.
“It’d be a sad thing for people at Richmond, because wouldn’t you love Dustin Martin to be a one-club player, because of the champion he’s been for the club,” Lloyd said.
“But I think if it does happen, it’s not the worst thing for Richmond. Dustin’s just turned 31, he’s on $1.2m to $1.4m a season, that’s a lot of money at his age.
“It’s a big risk for the Sydney Swans, to be honest ... and he’d be going there on a three or four-year contract.”
Meanwhile Wilson also reported that Martin’s manager Ralph Carr had “offered” his services to North Melbourne to help their recruiting.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-trade-to-sydney-swans-richmond-tigers-its-on-interest-from-swans-contract-deal/news-story/98dcb9d67c0ebfa2ee9b96ec4ffac29c
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Watch the media start drooling over this and pedalling rumor and innuendo.
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‘It’s on’: Plot thickens in Dustin Martin Richmond exit theory
It comes after Wilson spoke to Swans CEO Tom Harley earlier in the week on 3AW about players the club might be interested in.
After drawing a line through Jordan De Goey, Harley laughed off interest in Martin, saying “I haven’t been asked about Martin in about a month”.
Wilson said she felt Harley “no” on Martin “wasn’t quite as definitive” as it was for De Goey.
Harley also said he hoped Buddy Franklin would play again next year but Wilson said it would be a drastically reduced offer for the current Swans star.
“I just feel there’s a bit going on behind the scenes. Richmond are trying to keep Liam Baker, they’re looking at (Jacob) Hopper, (Tim) Taranto,” Wilson said.
“I don’t know if it’s the right decision though, I don’t know, I hope I’m wrong but I’m really worried I’m right.”
Ross Lyon disagreed however and said the Tigers needed to keep him and that this was all part of the grieving process for his father.
“This in Dustin’s life can be worked through and he’ll come out the other side, and I’d love him to come out the other side at the Richmond Football Club,” he said. “We’ll lose him in Sydney.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/its-on-plot-thickens-in-dustin-martin-richmond-exit-theory/news-story/3bff066eda935a2d4e5a14ece83cc056
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Owe him nothing so wouldn't begrudge him.
Would just make me sick seeing him in a fecking swans jumper. Would rather he went to GWS it's hard to hate them they are so minnow.
On current form though any team offering him more than 1 additional year is crazy and they wouldn't wanna be offering much for that 3rd year, like $300k seriously. Same with Buddy of he plays on he should do it for basically nothing.
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Caro is usually on the money rarely gets things wrong.
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Tom Harley says no just as he did about De Goey and laughs that he hasn't been asked about Dusty for month and yet Caro reckons that's not definitive :huh3.
I heard that Tom Harley hysterically laughed off suggestions the Swans were interested in bringing Warwick Capper back to the club as their new full forward. By comparison, Harley's "no" was not quite as definitive with De Goey as it was with Capper. Therefore, the De Goey move to the harbour city "is on".
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There is a lot of he “doesn’t owe us”
Granted he doesn’t owe the supporters but he’s a contracted player, paid handsomely.
A club that has supported him throughout his career, this is a 2 way street re: club, player.
I support the RFC so if he is leaving the club is duty bound to get the best result for the club.
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I will confess I am sick of this whole saga. And it is a saga now.
I've always been of the belief he will stay. That he would honour his contract for a number of reasons some of which I have kept and will continue to keep to myself
Having said that there is a part of me now that actually doesn't care. If leaving helps him get over the grieving and loss then so be it
But I will be extremely disappointed as the club has been bloody good to him since the day he first walked through the doors at Punt Road
If he wants to go and that is still a massive IF, then the club is duty bound to get the best deal and if that can't be then they don't trade him and he stays.
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I will confess I am sick of this whole saga. And it is a saga now.
I've always been of the belief he will stay. That he would honour his contract for a number of reasons sime of which I have kept and will continue to keep to myself
Having said that there is a part of me now that actually doesn't care. If leaving helps him get over the grieving and loss then so be it
But I will be extremely disappointed as the club has been bloody good to him since the day he first walked through the doors at Punt Road
If he wants to go and that is still a massive IF, then the club is duty bound to get the best deal and if that can't be then they don't trade him and he stays.
Spot on.
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There is a lot of he “doesn’t owe us”
Granted he doesn’t owe the supporters but he’s a contracted player, paid handsomely.
A club that has supported him throughout his career, this is a 2 way street re: club, player.
I support the RFC so if he is leaving the club is duty bound to get the best result for the club.
TRUTH
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If he says he wants out we have to get the best deal we can. GWS have more to offer in terms of players or picks.
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This reeks of the gws rumours half a decade ago. My heart tells me he will stay. Grieving is a rough process but based purely on speculation I think the strength of his friendship with cotchin will tip him to stay
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Insider reveals who's in Dustin Martin's inner circle as Tigers superstar gives a huge hint at his post-footy career and respected pundit says his move to the Swans 'is on'
Dustin Martin has launched a fitness app as he ponders life after footy.
By Kristy Williams
Daily Mail Australia
7 July 2022
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin's tightly knit inner circle has been revealed as speculation that he's bound for the Sydney Swans in 2023 reaches fever pitch.
Martin, who is notoriously private when it comes to the media, recently launched a fitness app, DRIP, alongside friends in his incredibly tight inner sanctum.
The 31-year-old superstar has had a tough 12 months during which he tragically lost his father, suffered a serious kidney injury and spent time away from the club for personal reasons - much of which was spent in NSW.
Many pundits and fans believe that is exactly where he will be living next year, with the Swans overwhelming favourites to land him.
Off the field, Martin has a very tight inner circle - but they've rallied around him to launch DRIP.
The app features a 'Team Dusty' stable of trainers include:
Montana Farrah-Seaton: a model, PT, boxing coach and former Australian under-19s basketball representative
Shai Bolton: Martin's two-time premiership-winning Richmond teammate
Andrew Nabbout: Socceroo and A-League player for Melbourne City
Emma Murray: Mindfulness coach who works with the Tigers
Bronii Gigliuto: Kinesiology and meditation practitioner who has also worked with the Tigers
Kat John: Authenticity and meditation coach
Dzhabar Askerov: Muay Thai champion
Tom Hislop: A former Richmond teammate of Martin's
Louise West: Martin's personal yoga coach
Farrah-Seaton, a prominent influencer with more than 76,000 Instagram followers, will need no introduction to many; she was runner-up at the 2018 Miss Globe pageant and is a common sight on runways and at fashion shoots.
Nabbout has represented the Socceroos on 10 occasions thus far, while Hislop, a strength specialist, was a teammate of Martin's for two years at Richmond.
Murray has worked with Martin for many years, helping him with his mindset, and she said earlier this year he was 'the most giving person and loyal person' and 'one of the most engaged athletes she had worked with'.
If Sydney can pair him up with Lance Franklin in 2023, look out. That mindset might be even more dangerous for hapless opponents.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/afl/article-10989423/Richmond-Tigers-AFL-star-Dustin-Martin-launches-app-inner-circle-rumours-Sydney-Swans-move.html
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Deja vu of blockbuster moves; Giant switch coming full circle? The $2.6m Dusty trade landscape
Ronny Lerner
Fox Sports
July 7th, 2022 4:35 pm
A question made famous by legendary English rockers The Clash (or at least a variation of it) is fast becoming one of the biggest talking points of the AFL season, and it concerns the future of Richmond superstar Dustin Martin.
The triple Norm Smith medallist might still be contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2024, but speculation continues to grow that he may not want to honour the remaining two years of that deal.
His future could lie up in Sydney if he chose to depart Richmond, and that would amount to some pretty handsome compensation for the Tigers if a trade of that magnitude occurred, not to mention the salary cap space that would be freed up.
As Fox Footy journalist Jon Ralph explained earlier this year, the Swans would have to stump up a lot to make a Martin trade happen.
“Sydney have two first-rounders, pick 10 and 18, (the latter) which is Melbourne’s first-round pick. They’ll look to pay ‘Buddy’ Franklin around $500,000, down from $900,000,” Ralph told Fox Footy.
“They’ve got expiring deals — Josh Kennedy, Callum Sinclair, Sam Reid, Lewis Taylor, Ben Ronke, Sam Naismith — they’ve got some cap space.
“But Martin is due $2.6 million in the next two years, he wouldn’t take less, the Richmond footy club wouldn’t pay him elsewhere. And so, if — and it’s a massive if — the Swans gave up two first-rounders, Richmond would have three first-rounders and a North Melbourne second-rounder, they could start to rebuild again.”
There would be a sense of deja vu if Martin ended up at the Swans, given that club’s incredible track record of attracting the biggest stars in the league.
Indeed, the 2017 Brownlow medallist would follow in the footsteps of Tony Lockett, Barry Hall and Lance Franklin as marquee attractions who were wooed by the siren song of the Harbour City.
But, of course, if Martin wanted to head north, his passage would be made easier due to the fact that there are two teams in Sydney to choose from these days.
If the three-time premiership champion ended up at Greater Western Sydney, it would be a case of the Giants coming full circle given they withdrew their interest in recruiting him at the end of 2013 after he famously toured their facilities along with manager Ralph Carr.
To see Martin in charcoal and orange almost a decade later would be a remarkable story and a great coup for GWS.
Besides, the Giants still owe their local rivals Sydney one after the Swans gazumped them at the death knock for Franklin’s signature in late 2013.
For all intents and purposes, Franklin appeared destined for a move from Hawthorn to the Giants ahead of the 2014 season, but stunned everyone, including AFL powerbrokers, when he joined Sydney instead on a whopping nine-year deal (which expires this year).
So enraged was the league, especially then-chairman Mike Fitzpatrick, by Franklin blindsiding them and snubbing their expansion baby in western Sydney that they slapped the Swans with a trading ban for two years.
Officially, the ban was linked to the controversial cost-of-living allowance, but many observers in the footy industry saw it as retribution for Sydney’s bold recruitment of both Franklin and Kurt Tippett.
But Jon Ralph believes the Giants would find it even more difficult to accommodate Martin than the Swans.
“GWS are on the record through their football boss Jason McCartney saying, ‘If Dustin’s interested, we are as well’,” Ralph said.
“(But) They already need to cut someone under their cap.
“They already have so many elite inside mids — Stephen Coniglio, Josh Kelly, Jacob Hopper, (Tim) Taranto, Tom Green, Tanner Bruhn — now you can make up the BigFooty-style trades, but again the salary cap is an even bigger issue there.”
However, foxfooty.com.aureported on Wednesday that Victorian clubs, including Richmond, are circling Taranto, who comes out of contract this year and has put off talks with the Giants.
That could definitely be a starting point for GWS if they were to seriously pursue a Martin trade.
But unlike Lockett (29), Franklin (27) and Hall (25), Martin (31) will be in his 30s if he starts a new chapter in the NSW capital.
Seeing him leave the Victorian AFL fishbowl wouldn’t be all that surprising. He could very well have got to a stage where the spotlight has become too much for him.
This year, in particular, has been extremely difficult for the Richmond living legend.
He had to deal with the death of his father, who Martin was very close with, and it was a situation made even tougher for Martin given his father was living in New Zealand.
After Martin played in the Tigers’ season opener against Carlton, he took personal leave away from the club, and serious question marks began to hang over his career.
He spent much of that time up in Sydney, a city he has come to love, and the main reason why speculation is linking him to either the Swans or Giants for next year.
Ultimately, he took what amounted to be a six-week break from football, and returned for Richmond‘s Round 8 win over Collingwood, accruing 23 touches and two goals to boot.
His form since returning hasn’t been too bad, but has been a few levels below his absolute best, which is understandable considering his best footy was some of the best footy any player has ever produced.
However, frustratingly for him, he injured his hamstring in the first half against West Coast on the weekend just as he looked like potentially returning to those dizzying heights of yesteryear with 17 disposals and a goal already to his name.
Of course, there’s also the very real prospect that Martin may stay with Richmond and see out his seven-year contract.
The Tigers might be seventh on the ladder heading into Round 17, but at their best this year, they still look like a team that could go deep into the finals, and perhaps even pinch a fourth flag in six years.
It could be argued that another premiership this year might in fact serve as the perfect swan song (excuse the pun) to Martin’s Richmond career and provide the impetus for him to start a new chapter north of the Murray.
But on the other hand, with Shai Bolton, Liam Baker, Noah Balta, Daniel Rioli, Jack Graham, Josh Gibcus, Jack Ross, Hugo Ralphsmith, Maurice Rioli Jr and Judson Clarke all on Richmond’s list and aged 25 or younger, Martin could see the potential for more success at Punt Road in the future, even if the Tigers fall short this year.
The 268-gamer certainly has a lot of thinking to do.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-state-of-play-trade-to-nsw-clubs-sydney-swans-gws-giants-stay-at-richmond-tigers-24-million-contract-latest/news-story/5dc93c5d4e6070042e47eb6655dea431
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Richmond is staring down a ‘sad’ Dusty reality. But it would come with a huge trade silver lining
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
July 8th, 2022 12:26 pm
What started off as football’s biggest rumour has now grown genuine traction.
Talk of a Dustin Martin trade heated up this week, with reporter Sam McClure revealing the Tigers superstar was “a very large chance” of leaving Richmond before veteran journalist Caroline Wilson suggested the triple Norm Smith medallist’s move to Sydney “is on”.
It comes after Martin earlier this year took personal leave from Punt Road as he dealt with the death of his father, Shane. Part of that time away saw him spend time in News South Wales.
The possible bombshell trade request wouldn’t come as a huge shock. Martin has long preferred to shy away from the limelight, so a move north to NRL-centric Sydney would make sense.
But he’s also contracted at Richmond for two more seasons with a reported salary of around $2.4 million, which would no doubt be a key factor in the club’s thinking.
The thought of Martin playing out his career at any other team would’ve been unthinkable for all Richmond people at one stage, considering there’s still a touch of sentimentalism in football with clubs indebted to its champions compared to other codes.
But could there be a silver lining to a potential Martin departure if it helped the Tigers mitigate a tight salary cap with several other key players out of contract?
“It’d be a sad thing for people at Richmond, because wouldn’t you love Dustin Martin to be a one-club player, because of the champion he’s been for the club,” Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd said on Channel 9’s Footy Classified.
“But I think if it does happen, it’s not the worst thing for Richmond. Dustin’s just turned 31, he’s on $1.2m to $1.4m a season — that’s a lot of money at his age.”
The Tigers in 2013 nearly lost Martin to the Giants. If he’d left, he would’ve left a considerable void and potentially drastically changed the fate of the competition in recent years.
This time, things are very different.
Richmond’s resurgence of form in 2022 has heaped financial pressure on the club, with several players that are out of contract due for hefty pay rises.
Arguably the most important signature is Liam Baker’s.
The versatile 24-year old, who’s in the middle of a breakout campaign, has been linked to a possible move back to Western Australia, with West Coast particularly interested. And the fact Baker is yet to recommit to the Tigers should create some form of cause for concern.
Baker’s flexibility and capacity to play in different areas on the ground has proven to be a valuable asset for the Tigers in 2022. He now surely commands a bigger payday on his next deal — even coach Damien Hardwick urged his club to “pay the man”.
Dual premiership Kangaroo David King suggested Baker, along with Shai Bolton and Jayden Short, had taken over the mantle as the Tigers’ most important players, telling Fox Footy’s First Crack last month: “It’s Baker, Bolton and Short now that really drive this Richmond machine.
“The baton’s passed from (Trent) Cotchin, (Jack) Riewoldt, (Dustin) Martin and these guys to those three – and they’re grabbing it with both hands.”
As bizarre as it may sound, retaining Baker is arguably more important to Richmond than keeping Martin as the club ushers in a new era while aiming to stay in contention in the coming years.
Daniel Rioli has also jacked up his value after revitalising his career across halfback, while Nathan Broad and Marlion Pickett’s deals are also set to expire soon.
Then there’s the uncertain fate of veterans Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin, Kane Lambert and Shane Edwards, who’re all uncontracted for 2023.
But as King highlighted, it’s been Short, Bolton, Baker, Tom Lynch, Nick Vlastuin and Jack Graham that have driven this Tigers side back into contention this year, rather than the trusty champions that helped deliver the club three flags between 2017 and 2020.
If the club prioritises those players, it means it does everything in its power to lock away the likes of Baker and Rioli while also giving it the option to be active in the trade and free agency markets. Rival stars such as Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper that are either in their prime or close to it could be targeted.
Martin is right up there on both the AFL’s and Richmond’s Mount Rushmore of greats. But with all that in mind, perhaps Martin’s signature isn’t as critical to the Tigers’ fortunes as it once seemed.
On his day, the 268-gamer is still as breathtaking as any player. But there have been signs over the past couple of years he’s no longer the superstar he once was. And a hamstring setback last weekend suggested the Martin’s body perhaps isn’t as durable as it used to be — although that’s not say to say he won’t be an influential player for several more years.
Whether he’s playing for Richmond, Sydney or another club in 2023, Martin will draw fans to AFL venues and TV screens.
But should Martin — the initial face of Richmond’s resurrection to powerhouse — want out, the Tigers will need to seriously consider what really is best for the club.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-trade-news-2022-richmond-trade-targets-dustin-martin-to-sydney-gws-liam-baker-contract-analysis-trade-period/news-story/32c23525a0f649451c62eefd9dfccdd0
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Rehashing the same story for 3 days.
Just replacing words and reporters. :banghead
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Dimma's comments about Dusty in his presser:
Journo: Has the Dusty stuff been a distraction this week? Have you had to talk about it internally?
Dimma: No, not really. It's the narrative that's out there. From our point of view, he's very much a Richmond player contracted for two more years. One of our favourite sons, if not our favourite son. He's up here with us spending some time with us as well. So for us it's not distraction. It's just part and parcel of the industry we are in.
Journo: Would you like a decision before year's end?
Dimma: Like I said he's contracted for the next two years. So a Richmond player!
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1167524/hardwick-previews-gold-coast
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Dusty helping out at training yesterday up on the Gold Coast:
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1545327083270074369
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Yeah surprised he made the trip up
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Have they talked to Dusty about a training role? Would fit in nicely with his new fitness business.
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Neil said today.
The story about Dustin going to Sydney is rubbish.
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Dustin Martin has vindicated the gamble of following Richmond. He owes us nothing more
A potential move to Sydney will be neither unexpected nor totally devastating for Tigers fans
Tim McGlone
The Guardian Australia
Sat 9 Jul 2022
How do you write about a person you’ve never met, but whose proficiency at their job has largely dictated your moods between March and September for the last 12 years?
Being a football fan is like gambling a little of your own happiness each week on a group of men or women you’ve never met before, but who happen to be wearing your chosen or inherited colours. It is an absurd thing to do. It must be difficult and frustrating for non-football followers to understand the clamour surrounding a game, a premiership and indeed a footballer.
I should divulge at this point that I am a diehard, unashamedly one-eyed Richmond supporter, from a family where a family outing as a kid generally meant a trip up the Calder Highway to see the Tigers play.
In this sense we were, and are, heavy gamblers, so to speak. And in the early days, we were losing like we were playing the pokies. These were largely through the Terry Wallace years and the less successful second half of Danny Frawley’s tenure. It was a time when the word Richmond was synonymous with ninth place and frustration, when supporters spat on the coach, dumped truckloads of chicken manure at Punt Road and worshipped Richo one week before booing him the next.
I was there when Dustin Martin made his debut against Carlton in round one in 2010, when he was largely anonymous except for his high draft position. I had heard rumours of this guy from nearby Castlemaine, who had thighs like tree-trunks and a bikie for a dad.
I was there when he won Richmond a game off his own boot for the first time, against a mediocre Melbourne-side in 2011, a tiny crowd watching on in a cavernous MCG.
I had flown back from Munich days earlier to be there when that same, previously cavernous ground was packed with over 100,000 people, as he, Bachar Houli and a supporting cast of 20 triggered a first flag in 37 years, and pandemonium on Swan Street.
I was at a pub in 2020 when a pandemic kept us rooted to our home state, as he carried Richmond to another flag, providing our supporters a glimmer of light in an otherwise difficult year.
These latter two in particular qualify as great memories. But if he does move to Sydney later this year, as has been reported, it is the week-by-week joys that I will miss most; the water cooler chat, nonsensical pub glorification and phone calls to Dad regarding what superhuman feats this delicately skilled brute would accomplish next.
Seeing him fend off another tackle or kick yet another clutch goal never got old. They were fixtures of my life in winter that provided a small, external moment of joy. We are fortunate in this country in that so much of our own destiny and happiness is within our control. Sometimes it is nice to leave it to someone else.
And while creating a winning football team must surely take a village – of coaches and physios in tracksuits, office people in suits, full-forwards and ruckmen in short shorts – we are obsessed with diluting it down to one or a few as the chosen ones with whom our fortunes lie. And there has never been a bigger chosen one at Richmond than Dusty. They say that no athlete is a bigger than their team, but it doesn’t feel like that. He has about 50,000 more followers than the club he plays for, for example.
To those who wonder how people become so invested in a sporting team, Martin is a case study in the affirmative, the justification for sitting there in the rain until the final siren during the Wallace years. Or spending more money than we’d like to imagine on fuel, tickets and grossly overpriced beer.
As has been well documented, Martin’s aloofness and complete aversion to the spotlight has only enhanced his legend over the years. People are interested in people who aren’t interested. It is this personality trait that might be what leads him to Sydney.
“What he gives us, he’s paid us in spades,” said Richmond’s coach Damian Hardwick earlier this year. “Whatever Dustin’s decision is moving forward is up to Dustin and to be honest, he has my blessing.” It is a view that is likely consistent with the majority of Richmond’s fanbase.
If an eventual move to one of the Sydney teams next year does take place, it will not be unexpected. But given the vindication he has already given many of us who have spent a lifetime gambling on a football team for a small level of happiness each week, nor is it completely devastating.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/09/dustin-martin-has-vindicated-the-gamble-of-following-richmond-he-owes-us-nothing-more
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SWANS SAY THEY’VE HAD ‘NO CONVERSATIONS’ WITH DUSTY
Sydney has downplayed links to Tigers superstar Dustin Martin, with Swans CEO Tom Harley insisting “there has been no conversations with Dustin.”
Speaking on ABC radio, Harley said there hadn’t yet been any communication between the club and the 31-year old.
“The level is interest is absolutely generated through media. I can unequivocally say there has been no conversations with Dustin and at the same time we appreciate the speculation,” Harley said on ABC Sport.
“But from our point of view we certainly don’t deal in hypotheticals and I can say there has been no conversations.”
Asked by reporter for an update on his future while going for scans on his injured hamstring this week, Martin gave no response.
As Martin is contracted at the Tigers for two more seasons for a lucrative total of $2.6 million he’d need to be acquired via trade.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-dustin-martin-to-sydney-swans-tom-harley-dismisses-talk-western-bulldogs-confirm-interest-in-rory-lobb-free-agency-chris-grant-players-out-of-contract/news-story/d6c8fdf2ec5551716983afa8e1bc1ba6
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"His teammates and coaches think he is quite a changed person .. and not the Dustin Martin they are used to, and maybe a change of atmosphere .. would help his happiness & therefore his football"
- Sam McClure on why there's a belief Dusty could leave Tigerland
https://twitter.com/3AWisfootball/status/1545608440222953472
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Neil said today.
The story about Dustin going to Sydney is rubbish.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXMikCBUIAEUOqi?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/leachitup/status/1545612796771315713
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Lol Balme. Love the way he speaks
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Lol Balme. Love the way he speaks
Speaks like he used to play.
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“IT IS A RUTHLESS BUSINESS”: WOULD TIGERS LET DUSTY LEAVE AND HOW WOULD SWANS TRADE FOR HIM?
By Seb Mottram
SEN
11 July 2022
Discussing the scenario, SEN chief reporter Sam Edmund confirmed he was warming to the idea of Martin leaving.
However, Port Adelaide Hall of Famer Kane Cornes implored Richmond to hold the Brownlow Medallist to his contract.
The two discussed how Martin could move clubs if he chose to, despite him still having two years to run on a seven-year deal reportedly in the range of $1.2m to $1.3m per season.
Martin missed Gold Coast's loss to Richmond with a hamstring injury but remains a chance to play this weekend against North Melbourne.
Read the full transcript between Edmund and Cornes below:
Cornes: “Are you warming to this as well (Martin to Sydney)?”
Edmund: “Yes, absolutely.”
Cornes: “How does this work? Firstly, can they afford him?”
Edmund: “No, but I think what would happen is you would stretch the contract. He’s got two years to run on a lucrative contract, make it four, it gets him to 35. I think we can all see Dusty (Martin) playing until 35, so that’s one option.”
“The other option is Richmond - like we’re talking about with Brodie Grundy (and Collingwood) - maybe (they could) chip in a little bit as well (and pay some of Martin's contract), get a little bit more draft capital back. It’s hard to see that scenario… (but) it’s a lever to engineer the move.”
Cornes: “Why would they do that?”
Edmund: “Because (if) Dusty says (he) wants to leave and Damien Hardwick has already said he’ll go with our blessing, well is he going with their blessing or not?”
Cornes: “What I’m saying to Richmond is he shouldn’t be going with your blessing.”
Edmund: “So you’d hold him to ransom? After everything he’s done?”
Cornes: “Yeah, of course you should. It is a ruthless business, (they should say), ‘you are staying here, we gave you a seven-year contract, we made you the highest-paid player in the history of the club, we are not going to pay you to play for someone else just because you’ve been good to us’.”
Edmund: “(That’s) cold.”
Cornes: “No, I’m not cold at all, we are too nice at times in this industry. So what do they get back for him, he’s a contracted player, he’s 31.”
Edmund: “It’s a good debate, he’s hard to value.”
Cornes: “You’d want to be getting something pretty good for him.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/11/it-is-a-ruthless-business-would-tigers-let-dusty-leave-and-how-would-swans/
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Agree we shouldn’t even contemplate paying a pet of his salary unless the deal coming back our way (players/picks) are strong enough to offset this.
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SYDNEY MYTH BUSTED AS GREAT MAKES $5M DUSTY CALL
Will Dustin Martin request a move to Sydney at season’s end? It’s the million dollar question in AFL circles currently going around.
A $2.4 million question to be more specific given the Tigers superstar is contracted for two more seasons at Punt Road on that sum.
Sydney CEO Tom Harley played down his club’s interest in Martin this week, insisting “there has been no conversations with Dustin.”
It comes after Martin spent time in Sydney during his personal leave from Richmond earlier this season while mourning the death of his father, Shane.
Looking at the potential acquisition of Martin from a Swans perspective, three-time All-Australian Nick Dal Santo said he’d welcome him with open arms.
“Yes please, and you look at this group where they’re currently at... we all accept to some degree they are really good and will be even better in the future. They’re somewhere around the mark,” Dal Santo said on Fox Footy Live.
“I don’t think they can win the premiership this year, but you see this as a step by step process of where they were last year, where they are right now.
“If Dustin was on the table would you not be silly to not ask the question?
“Dusty is not where he was a couple of years ago, but he’s still a really good player. They sell this lifestyle: ‘Get away from the world tucked up there, no one knows you when you wall down the street’ — that’s Dustin every day of the week, he would love that.”
However Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy suggested being such a big name, a move to Sydney wouldn’t necessarily take Martin out of the spotlight.
“Buddy (Franklin) thought that thought then he went up there, and he was on the front page the day he walked in and the next six weeks,” he said.
“I think anonymity is a bit of a myth for people as big as Dusty, that’s why he gets paid millions of dollars to wear jocks and sell underwear. He’s not just known in Melbourne, he’s known right around Australia. Dusty would be a big name the minute he walked into Sydney if they could make it happen.”
Healy believes while in theory landing Martin would be a great coup for Sydney, salary cap pressure might not make it possible.
“I think there’s a lot more discussion around it than there is reality, and the reality is how do you fit him into the salary cap? Everyone says, ‘would you want Dusty?’ Yeah, I’d want Dusty, but how do you do it?” he posed.
“Chad Warner is coming through, he’s going to be demanding some top dollar very shortly. The ‘Lizard’ (Nick Blakey) is gong to be demanding some top dollar if he keeps on putting on the blizzard, and there’s some other kids we don’t quite know how well they’re going.
“They’ve already got (Callum) Mills on big money, (Isaac) Heeney on big money, Buddy is on big money — (he’s) going to come back a fair bit, I know. But when you’re talking about a bloke who’s on $1.2 million.
“We can all fantasise about having Dusty kicking the ball, coming out of the centre... but whether it happens or not, I think it’s more unlikely than likely.”
Martin missed the Tigers’ loss to Gold Coast on Saturday due to a hamstring strain in a rare injury setback for the 31-year old.
Given Martin’s durability across his 13 seasons in the league, Lions great Jonathan Brown would “absolutely” offer him a five-year deal worth $1 million per season.
“He’s been healthy throughout his career, obviously he had that contact injury last year when he hurt his kidney, but his legs have been healthy all throughout,” he said on Best On Ground.
“Maybe he wants to be reinvigorated by getting out of the footy bubble in Melbourne. Offer him five years, you’d get a solid five out of him no doubt about it.
“Now can you fit him into the salary cap with Buddy Franklin, who’d have to take a fair haircut? It could be GWS, they’d be in the running.”
Brown also pondered why only the Sydney clubs are in the conversation, questioning if other teams including the Suns could enter the race.
“I wonder if the Suns have a little bit of cash floating around?” He posed.
“He’s got a couple of old teammates there, Mabior Chol and Brandon Ellis. I’m not so sure about just the Sydney Swans being in this race.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-round-17-talking-points-analysis-reaction-highlights-results-wrap-finals-top-eight-predictions-ladder/news-story/827fe5011a06ef160656b74928c705a6
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5 years on $1mil given his recent output? No stuffing way.
I don't think any club should be offering him more than about $2.7mil for 3 years. Only an extra $300k than what he's contracted for but based on current form you couldn't ask for much more imo.
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Ralph Carr tweeted this tonight about loyalty.
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https://twitter.com/RalphCarrRCM/status/1546396449591955457
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Ralph Carr tweeted this tonight about loyalty.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXXnXUvaMAEwA4u?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/RalphCarrRCM/status/1546396449591955457
That could mean Player or Club
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Don't wanna see him playing elsewhere but honestly don't know if it's that bad if we can free up that cap space.
Once Shedda or Lambo retire we could make offers to Taranto and Hopper and still have change left over.
If Jack retired as well (3 is a lot in one year I know, probz too much) but we could secure Fogarty as well. Key forward sorted somewhat and midfield depth sorted
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Based on that tweet Dusty stays at Richmond. Ive thought long and hard about what trading Dusty means. For me Im 52 now the head says yeah lets go and see what we can get, loyalty means nothing but the 13 year old me was devastated when I saw Geoff Raines in a collingwood jumper. We had made the same mistakes years earlier in our chase for John Pitura. The lesson ... dont wreck the fabric that binds your club
Trading out, selling our superstars back (raines cloke wood) then turned out badly, left in the footballing wilderness for decades, having lost meaning as a club and pride in who we were and what we stood for.
Lets show some loyalty to a young man who has repaid his contract many times over. Anything else not even first round picks will be worth it and all those kids with no4 on their jumper theyll learn something too - that loyalty counts for a lot in football and that for us as a club it will count for a lot when they grow up like us having taught their kids that Richmond, The Tigers is the only club they can go for!
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Based on that tweet Dusty stays at Richmond. Ive thought long and hard about what trading Dusty means. For me Im 52 now the head says yeah lets go and see what we can get, loyalty means nothing but the 13 year old me was devastated when I saw Geoff Raines in a collingwood jumper. We had made the same mistakes years earlier in our chase for John Pitura. The lesson ... dont wreck the fabric that binds your club
Trading out, selling our superstars back (raines cloke wood) then turned out badly, left in the footballing wilderness for decades, having lost meaning as a club and pride in who we were and what we stood for.
Lets show some loyalty to a young man who has repaid his contract many times over. Anything else not even first round picks will be worth it and all those kids with no4 on their jumper theyll learn something too - that loyalty counts for a lot in football and that for us as a club it will count for a lot when they grow up like us having taught their kids that Richmond, The Tigers is the only club they can go for!
Dusty only going if he wants to.
Raines wanted out because he was peeed off about Maurice being on $80k and he was on something like $30k.
Can't do much more than offer them money and games, support them etc. If they want to move on you've just got to optimise the outcome for the club and player.
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Based on that tweet Dusty stays at Richmond. Ive thought long and hard about what trading Dusty means. For me Im 52 now the head says yeah lets go and see what we can get, loyalty means nothing but the 13 year old me was devastated when I saw Geoff Raines in a collingwood jumper. We had made the same mistakes years earlier in our chase for John Pitura. The lesson ... dont wreck the fabric that binds your club
Trading out, selling our superstars back (raines cloke wood) then turned out badly, left in the footballing wilderness for decades, having lost meaning as a club and pride in who we were and what we stood for.
Lets show some loyalty to a young man who has repaid his contract many times over. Anything else not even first round picks will be worth it and all those kids with no4 on their jumper theyll learn something too - that loyalty counts for a lot in football and that for us as a club it will count for a lot when they grow up like us having taught their kids that Richmond, The Tigers is the only club they can go for!
Could not have put it better. I was the same as you - Geoff Raines was the first number on the back of my duffle coat and that was when he had the number 40. I was numb when he left.
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Pretty well said Ramps.
Look at the Hawks. Absolutely fallen off a cliff. Yet Cats and Swans continue to stay top 8.
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Yes, ruined us and we lost our soul in that era
Morris, Raines Wood, Cloke, whale , Jackson , Teasdale , Jabba Taylor etc
pee on the monuments of the club and you lose it’s soul
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Hugo talking about Dusty ...
"He can't shoot!" 🤣
When it comes to basketball, Hugo Ralphsmith is confident in a one-on-one game against Dusty!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXdaEF2VEAEMOH9.jpg) (https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1546804086678335488)
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1546804086678335488
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Mark Robinson, who broke the Franklin story, said the contract situation could allow the Swans to make a play for Richmond superstar Dustin Martin.
Despite Swans CEO Tom Harley denying any contact with Martin or his manager, rumours of a potential trade continue to linger.
“You’re not in the game until you’re in the game,” Robinson said on AFL360.
“To get Martin, who is about $1.3 million on his contract at the moment, they’ve got to find salary cap room.
“They’re wiping a hell of a lot off (Franklin). To get Martin, they’ve got to have room in their salary cap.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/where-would-he-go-the-two-finals-contenders-who-could-benefit-from-buddy/news-story/985abebb623a18db9da7bfa8add7045b
Robbo also said he tried to contact Ralph Carr who is in Los Angeles. Robbo said his understanding is there hasn't been any contact.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1547155684008964096
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All this gossip ignores what Dusty actually wants and what we could/would get in return from Sydney. The Swans have two first rounders (their own and Melbourne's) but both will likely be late first rounders. Even if Buddy retires and Dusty said he wanted to leave, no way would we give up Dusty without getting at least an early first round pick or one of the Swans youngsters like an Errol Gulden or Logan McDonald in return. The Swans don't have that early pick nor would they want to give up one of their young guns. There would need to be another club involved. GWS is the obvious one as we're apparently showing interest in a couple of their mids but why would they help their cross town rivals and in any case they could deal directly with us.
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Pretty well said Ramps.
Look at the Hawks. Absolutely fallen off a cliff. Yet Cats and Swans continue to stay top 8.
Throw Norf into that mix too, cut their list far too much all at once & they are paying a heavy price for that now.
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Whateley: Are the Swans stockpiling money for the possibility of Dustin Martin being available?
Harley: “Absolutely not. That is one thing I will comment on because there is absolutely no link between these two stories and these two players. I’ve said repeatedly and consistently, as I’ve said with Lance, that we have had no contact with nor conversations with Dustin Martin. He is not our player and it would be inappropriate for us to do that. I am a little bewildered about how the story around Dustin keeps resurfacing and resurfacing with a strong connection to the Swans because that is absolutely not the case.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/14/swans-ceo-comments-on-lance-franklin-reports-and-dustin-martin-links/
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It keeps resurfacing Harley because the Swans have a history of saying one thing with trades - or not saying anything then doing something big
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COULD A BLOCKBUSTER BUDDY/DUSTY SWAP BE ON THE CARDS?
Lance Franklin’s future is up in the air after reports emerged this week he’s considering retirement or departing the Swans amid frustrations around contract talks.
So could it open the door for a blockbuster swap for one of the game’s other biggest stars, Dustin Martin?
Harley again downplayed interest in Martin and denied that uncertainty around Frankin’s contract is linked to the club stockpiling cash for the Tigers superstar.
However journalist Jay Clark posed whether a Franklin/Martin swap could be on the cards.
“I think we all expected this to be a rubber stamp, a formality sort of situation, Buddy would go on again (at Sydney),” Clark said on Triple M.
“If you think about big Melbourne clubs in the window, could work out something like this, where could he land?
“It does make you think, if Dustin Martin wants to get out of the Melbourne fishbowl and go up there to Sydney, enjoy a bit of anonymity up there, would Lance Franklin be in the yellow and black? It is very interesting.
“I think this trade period is going to be a bonanza, and this is a curveball we did not see coming about the champ Lance Franklin.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-lance-franklin-for-dustin-martin-swap-sydney-swans-richmond-tigers-chad-wingard-future-players-out-of-contract-latest/news-story/950dbce715d9129395dbbc35c46839c8
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However journalist Jay Clark posed whether a Franklin/Martin swap could be on the cards.
Just another example that all this crap is media driven ::).
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However journalist Jay Clark posed whether a Franklin/Martin swap could be on the cards.
Just another example that all this crap is media driven ::).
It's shameless.
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Only one thing excites me about Franklin and it ain't Lance
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Has done his hammy again at training apparently. Out for the medium term so could be another 4-5 weeks.
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Dustin Martin injury update
By Richmond Media - Just now
Dustin Martin has had a set back in his recovery from a hamstring strain.
An aggravation to his hamstring will mean Martin remains sidelined for the medium term.
Richmond will provide a further update when necessary.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1177283/dustin-martin-injury-update
and from the AFL site:
Tigers' HUGE blow as superstar suffers hamstring setback
RICHMOND has been dealt a huge blow with superstar Dustin Martin out for the "medium term" after a setback in his recovery from a hamstring strain.
Martin, 31, was nearing a return from the injury he suffered in the win over West Coast on July 3, although had been ruled out of Friday night's meeting with Fremantle.
However, the 2017 Brownlow medallist is set for an even longer spell on the sidelines after a setback was confirmed by the club on Friday.
"Dustin Martin has had a setback in his recovery from a hamstring strain," the Tigers said in a statement.
"An aggravation to his hamstring will mean Martin remains sidelined for the medium term."
Martin was initially expected to miss two matches after the injury in the 35-point win over the Eagles in round 16.
But the Tigers confirmed earlier this week they would be without Martin and Tom Lynch for the important clash with Freo at Marvel Stadium.
Richmond is clinging onto eighth spot on the ladder after costly losses to Gold Coast and North Melbourne in Martin's absence.
The latest setback is another blow to its finals chances, with big matches against Brisbane and Port Adelaide to come after it faces the Dockers.
The Tigers finish the home and away season with encounters against Hawthorn and Essendon.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/803284/tigers-huge-blow-as-superstar-suffers-hamstring-setback
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Absolute circus this has been how many setbacks this year on players. Love the champ , but he was never fit at all this year for me.
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As I said, I'm not unhappy there will be change in our fitness and conditioning area. The past two years has been poor.
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Here here MT, been a circus.
From Bank PCL diagnosis to Dusty set backs, to Lambert's very odd and vague information on hip. It's been an area that has fallen away very quickly post 2020.
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Dusty very happy at Tigerland and Benny Gale confident Dusty will stay with two years left on his contract.
SOURCE: Tom Browne on 7News.
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Dusty very happy at Tigerland and Benny Gale confident Dusty will stay with two years left on his contract.
SOURCE: Tom Browne on 7News.
That's just Benny's way of saying pay up Sydney or pee off.
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It might be just me but I don’t believe all this hammy talk sounds like BS.
Does anyone know if he was at the game?
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It might be just me but I don’t believe all this hammy talk sounds like BS.
Does anyone know if he was at the game?
The earth isn’t flat mate
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Of course it’s an injury look around. Burge has stuffed us in the arse.
He probably went looking for a new home with dimma has been ripping into his performance all year.
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Tigers ‘confident’ Martin won’t seek trade, but star’s season in jeopardy
David Zita
Fox Sports
July 22nd, 2022 7:40 pm
Richmond CEO Brendon Gale is “confident” Dustin Martin will see out the remaining two years of his contract with the club, but the match-winner could miss the rest of the home-and-away season after an injury setback.
Martin was on Friday confirmed to have suffered a setback in his bid to return from a hamstring injury he suffered in round 16.
With his future in question at stages during the year - with suggestions he could seek a trade to Sydney - Gale said there was no pessimism about Martin’s future at the Tigers.
“At the end of the day he’s at an environment in which he thrives and has thrived and will continue to do so,” he told channel seven.
“He’s had a challenging year, we know why that is, we’ve been there to support him and we still think he’s got plenty of good years of football at Richmond Football Club.”
Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph provided more details on Martin’s setback to Fox Footy.
“I’ve spoken to the club’s fitness boss today, Peter Burge, he says Martin is 31 years of age and the victim of a really interrupted season. Richmond refuses to go into the circumstances of how many sessions he missed over summer, I believe it was significant though,” he said.
“Then of course we saw the personal time away and round 14 illness, which just interrupted his continuity. Peter Burge said today, ‘to be honest, his progression had been a lot slower than we anticipated’ at each step off that round 16 hammy.
“He said ‘even running at 40 to 50 per cent the indicators were there that he was not improving as much as we would’ve hoped.’
“On Wednesday he ran, he felt a grab in his hamstring, Burge said the club will have to strip it back, get him into the gym for three or four weeks. The round 23 scenario is probably the best case.”
Regarding Martin’s future, Ralph added: “He (Gale) said ‘he is contracted for two years, I am confident he will continue to thrive at the Richmond Football Club.’”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-trade-salary-injury-details-latest-richmond-tigers-move-to-sydney/news-story/b74f847f13d2720652c681faacf44b05
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Full credit Benny, we've needed some communication from the club, glad this happened finally.
Emotions aside, Dusty coming off a pretty serious kidney injury, no pre season, the loss of his father and the grief that comes with it, a hamstring injury. It certainly has been a hugely challenging year. Not surprising we haven't seen the best of himself this year. Might need a big pre season to return to his best self.
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Agree, In the early days when Dusty didn’t put the wok in or couldn’t he struggled to run out games
He needs a good per season to get back to his best
I can’t see him leaving as the people he is closest to are at Richmond
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It might be just me but I don’t believe all this hammy talk sounds like BS.
Does anyone know if he was at the game?
The earth isn’t flat mate
Um, thanks for the info but that isn’t an answer to the question I actually asked.
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It might be just me but I don’t believe all this hammy talk sounds like BS.
Does anyone know if he was at the game?
The earth isn’t flat mate
Um, thanks for the info but that isn’t an answer to the question I actually asked.
He would have been. Injured players would have been at the game. Guys playing VFL today would not.
That's how it usually works.
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It might be just me but I don’t believe all this hammy talk sounds like BS.
Does anyone know if he was at the game?
The earth isn’t flat mate
Um, thanks for the info but that isn’t an answer to the question I actually asked.
He would have been. Injured players would have been at the game. Guys playing VFL today would not.
That's how it usually works.
Sounds great WP, but it’s Dusty and he plays by a different tune to most other players.
I’m not asking about if he should of been at the game, does anyone know for certain he was actually at the game?
I’m asking because I want to actually know.
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In the past Dusty has been the difference when games were close and he usually found a way to get us over the line. No one else has been able to do it .
He obviously struggles with lime light so I would suggest that he not not be visible ( sitting in the crowd) if he attended the game. He may have been in the rooms after the game if he was there.
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Keep in mind that the flat earth brigade aren’t convinced about Dusty’s hammy
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Sounds great WP, but it’s Dusty and he plays by a different tune to most other players.
I’m not asking about if he should of been at the game, does anyone know for certain he was actually at the game?
I’m asking because I want to actually know.
Sorry but why would you say "he plays by a different rule to most other players"? Because he doesn't do media? What else exactly?
When it comes to team, Dusty is one of the most team first people we have but somehow you are suggesting otherwise
And why do you "actually want to know" whether he was at the game? You seem to be looking (wanting) for there to be some huge conspiracy around it
He has a hamstring, due to a lack of pre-season and missing 6 weeks of footy to grieve he tweaked it again. Not sure why you seem to think and want it to be more than that
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It’s a question noone else seems to give two hoots about so we should probably just move on….
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Giants superstar Toby Greene says he would “love to play” with Dustin Martin and that his club would be “silly not to talk to him” if the triple Norm Smith Medallist wanted a fresh start.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/greater-western-sydney-giants/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-trade-updates-contract-toby-greene-would-love-to-play-with-star-at-gws-giants-tim-taranto-jacob-hopper/news-story/f5a54b94b76e5093c1c77cdb7cf97e9f
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Toby can play with dusty by coming to tigers :shh
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Toby can play with dusty by coming to tigers :shh
Straight swap Toby for Dusty
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"We always seem to be talking about only one other club, and that is the Sydney Swans. And I don't know why we're not talking about this club." - Sam McClure.
The team that makes 'complete sense' to throw everything at recruiting Dustin Martin. #9FootyClassified
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1551550555805425664
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SM will do anything for a headline. He admitted he was just making it up.
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When Sydney bundles out of finals because they lack X factor they will give buddy another contract and go for dusty so they can win when it matters
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‘Risky investment’? What a deal for Dusty could look like
Jon Pierik
The Age
July 27, 2022
Former list manager Matt Rendell says Gold Coast would find it easier than Sydney to broker a trade with Richmond for Dustin Martin, but expects the Tigers champion to head to the Swans should he leave Punt Road.
Meanwhile, AFL Legend Leigh Matthews has declared Martin would be a “risky investment” for a new club given his recent form.
Martin’s future has increasingly become a point of debate, with industry sources claiming he is tired of the Melbourne fishbowl and keen for a change.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist, 31, enjoys spending time off in Sydney, and could seek a trade to the Swans or Greater Western Sydney. The Suns who have former Tigers lieutenants Wayne Campbell and Craig Cameron in key football-department roles, are another option.
Rendell, a former recruiter with Adelaide and Collingwood, said the AFL would love Martin to link up with the Suns, should he seek a trade, but Rendell believes Martin is a “Sydney man”.
He said the Suns would find it easier than the Swans to fit him in their cap, and also to trade, but the Swans “love a big drawcard – and he is that”. Rendell also laid out how Martin could renegotiate his contract, which has two years and more than $2 million remaining.
“He has given magnificent service to Richmond, but it doesn’t sound like his head is in the right place to stay in Melbourne. It’s a big wage bill, though. He would have to drop that down and sign a four-year deal if it comes to fruition,” Rendell said on Tuesday.
“[A deal with the Swans would] have to have three years back-ended until ‘Buddy’ [Franklin] retires. The trade is probably going to require the Swans’ first-round pick this year and next year’s first round, unless a player is involved.”
Superstar Franklin is negotiating a one-year contract extension with the Swans, who have denied having any contact with Martin. Giants captain Toby Greene said this week he would “love to play” with Martin and that his club would be “silly not to talk to him” should he seek a fresh start.
Martin was a rampaging, almost unstoppable machine between 2012 and 2020, missing only four matches – three of those through suspension.
But he has missed 10 games, six through personal leave and four through injury, over the past two seasons. That injury absence, which is likely to be linked at least in part to the personal leave, is growing, and may well now take in the final four rounds of the home-and-away season. It has added fuel to speculation that Martin’s time with the Tigers could be up.
Coach Damien Hardwick has said Martin has given the Tigers more than enough and has his “blessing” to leave, should that eventuate, while club chief Brendon Gale maintains Martin has, and will continue to, thrive in his current environment.
However, over the past two years, the Martin of old has been less prevalent, prompting Matthews’ comments on 3AW.
“I mean, he is still the best player in the game. He was the best player in the first half of last year,” Matthews said.
“In almost a season and a half, for one reason or another, he hasn’t been able to produce it, he just hasn’t been able to produce it.
“In terms of whether he is going to be able to produce it again is a question, not an answer. And if he is at Richmond, you just keep going and hope like hell we can get him going again.
“For another club to invest in Dusty, I think he is a risky investment from now on.”
In eight games this season Martin is averaging a career-low 18.8 disposals, less than three clearances per game for the first time since 2014, less than one score assist for the first time since ’15 and, for the first time, less than two tackles per game.
While Martin has been meticulous in his preparation through the second half of his career, next season will be year 14 and at 31, he has 268 games to his credit. However, a move up forward has eased the physical impact on his body and industry sources say he should have several years ahead.
But he has already won three flags, three Norm Smiths, a Brownlow, four All-Australian jackets, and two Jack Dyer Medals with the Tigers. Is there more for him to achieve at Punt Road?
Martin, who took personal leave earlier this year to grieve the death of his father, has two years remaining on his nine-year contract. But his manager Ralph Carr told The Age in May: “He has got this year and then another two [under contract]. He is kind of set there. But who knows? Football is a funny world.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/risky-investment-what-a-deal-for-dusty-could-look-like-20220726-p5b4jk.html
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Robbo: Hey Dusty, are you in or are you out?
Change is coming at Richmond, the only question is how much. As an era ends, the Tigers need an answer from Dustin Martin now, writes Mark Robinson.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-robinson-says-richmond-has-some-big-calls-to-make-ahead-of-2023/news-story/6f411ed7e7c7c701897ba08fe560a3e2
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Robbo on AFL360 last night talking about Dusty.
He thinks Dusty will stay at Richmond.
Watch: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1552232162165813248
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‘Nothing lasts forever’: Superstar Dustin Martin needs fast call on future, as Tigers face impending ‘list reset’
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
July 27th, 2022 8:54 pm
Should Dustin Martin decide to pack his bags and depart Tigerland, Fox Footy’s Mark Robinson believes he needs to let the club know as early as this weekend – if they can’t get the win over Brisbane.
Martin has been a massive talking point in 2022, with his future in Victoria reportedly undecided.
The Tigers have publicly backed the three-time Norm Smith Medallist to make the call when he’s ready, stating they would not stand in his way – despite having two years to run on a big money deal.
Speaking on AFL360, Robinson said Richmond were still in the dark on where Martin wanted to play in 2023 and beyond after a “tumultuous” year that included the shock death of his father Shane in New Zealand.
“There’s been enough smoke around Dustin Martin this year,” he said.
“There’s just been this constant Dusty, Dusty, will he stay?
“There’s been a little bit of: ‘Hmmm even Richmond don’t know what’s going on’.”
If Martin was to depart, the club would then have an estimated $1.3 million in salary cap space it could access, and potentially pick up two first round draft picks in exchange.
AFL360 co-host Gerard Whateley said that scenario would require a lot of planning to get right.
“If I was Richmond, I would certainly want to be sure because there’s certainly a lot of planning around (the salary cap space and early draft picks),” he said.
“Nothing lasts forever in football,” Robinson added.
“The Tigers have to plan.
“If he goes and wants to go to Sydney for example, they get $1.3 (million) in the salary cap. They get two first round draft picks from Sydney, for example, and Richmond are going to reset their list.
“They need to know, in my opinion.
“People might say … why should he (tell the club as soon as possible)?
“We’ve got four weeks before finals, four weeks of finals and then trade period.
“And they are coming off an unbelievable period.
“They’ve just had the retirement of Kane Lambert. Who knows what Shane Edwards is going to do, Jack (Riewoldt), (Trent) Cotchin … there’s some big decisions to be made.
“I think they are going to be more well informed if they absolutely know if Dustin Martin is going to be with them.”
When asked if he thought Martin would be at Richmond in 2022, Robinson replied: “I think he will. I think he will be at Richmond.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/nothing-lasts-forever-superstar-dustin-martin-needs-fast-call-on-future-as-tigers-face-impending-list-reset/news-story/a8735ee9f5fdeb7501baccaa06232976
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The bit that's not part of the article which is just grabs from last night's AFL 360
Was Robbo saying "I don't know if Richmond knows" followed by but "I think they should know, they need to know"
He like most of the media haven't got a clue and are trying to get a new angle for a story that they created and continue to fuel
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The bit that's not part of the article which is just grabs from last night's AFL 360
Was Robbo saying "I don't know if Richmond knows" followed by but "I think they should know, they need to know"
He like most of the media haven't got a clue and are trying to get a hew angle for a story that they created and continue to fuel
Yes, it is rather amusing watching the journos chase their tails, then writing an article based on another journo chasing their tail ... and so on. When one of them gets something right (inevitably one of them will) they can pop the cork on another bottle of bathwater!
Knowing what they think they know, I'm not sure if they know anything worth knowing ... ::)
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Dusty is a classic case of media failure.
The issue is that Dusty is that tight lipped. Not even those closest to him know the ins and outs. He is as private as they come. So the media don't have scoops and insider's with him. For anything ever. So they speculate and rumour mill and talk about what ifs. Usually there is a leak, usually there is a player or friend that gives enough info to properly predict or know.
So here lies the outcome of Dusty basically giving the media the middle finger and refusing to talk to them. And people wonder why he's like that.
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The bit that's not part of the article which is just grabs from last night's AFL 360
Was Robbo saying "I don't know if Richmond knows" followed by but "I think they should know, they need to know"
He like most of the media haven't got a clue and are trying to get a hew angle for a story that they created and continue to fuel
Yes, it is rather amusing watching the journos chase their tails, then writing an article based on another journo chasing their tail ... and so on. When one of them gets something right (inevitably one of them will) they can pop the cork on another bottle of bathwater!
Knowing what they think they know, I'm not sure if they know anything worth knowing ... ::)
True
Robbo covered himself by saying at the end "I think he'll stay BTW"
Should be in politics; flip/flops with the best of them
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Hardwick confident on Martin's AFL future
By Shayne Hope
AAP
July 28 2022 at 12:03pm
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick has "no doubt" Dustin Martin will honour his contract with the AFL club despite ongoing speculation about the superstar's playing future.
Martin is contracted for the next two seasons but continues to be linked to a move away from Punt Road, potentially to Sydney.
The 31-year-old is fighting to overcome a hamstring injury in time to resume his role in the Tigers' finals push.
If he doesn't get back on the field in the next four rounds there is some chance the 268-game champion will have played his last game for Richmond.
But not according to Hardwick.
"I've got no doubt he'll be there next year," Hardwick told reporters on Thursday.
"The fact of the matter is, and we've said this publicly, he's a Richmond man for the next two years.
"He's such an important piece of our puzzle and what he brings to the football club on and off the field can't be measured.
"What we love about him is when he's playing he's vibrant and active but also off the field he's got such an emotional connection to this place and our playing group and our staff that is missed when he's not here.
"So, as far as I'm concerned, he'll be here for the next two years."
In May, Hardwick gave Martin his blessing to leave Melbourne's AFL fishbowl if the three-time Norm Smith Medal winner decided that was best for him.
It came soon after Martin returned from a six-week break from the game due to personal reasons.
Hardwick laughed on Thursday when asked about that comment, saying one thing had changed since then: "Sanity."
He added his players feel loved at respected at Richmond and are confident in the support structures the club has put in place, noting in-demand utility Liam Baker's decision to sign a new two-year deal this week.
Martin has not played since suffering a hamstring injury in round 16 and suffered a setback last week, putting his return this season in doubt.
"Whether he gets back, we're hopeful he does," Hardwick said.
"He's a pretty important player to the way we play the game, so we'll give him every chance."
https://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story/7837991/hardwick-confident-on-martins-afl-future/?cs=9465
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Be nice if Dusty would come out and say it or at least Ralph
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There’s nothing to say unless he’s leaving Andy
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There’s nothing to say unless he’s leaving Andy
I disagree with this so much
Come out and say he’s a tiger and staying ..
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There’s nothing to say unless he’s leaving Andy
I disagree with this so much
Come out and say he’s a tiger and staying ..
When have you ever known dusty to come out and say anything? You might say that his manager could but why would he? It’s keeping his clients name on everyone’s lips while he’s having a injury riddled/down season.
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There’s nothing to say unless he’s leaving Andy
I disagree with this so much
Come out and say he’s a tiger and staying ..
For the club and the fans, I strongly feel he should do this.
It's different to 2017 when he was possibly considering leaving and trying to extract maximum value etc.
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Don’t react to the media’s agenda…
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Sounds great WP, but it’s Dusty and he plays by a different tune to most other players.
I’m not asking about if he should of been at the game, does anyone know for certain he was actually at the game?
I’m asking because I want to actually know.
Sorry but why would you say "he plays by a different rule to most other players"? Because he doesn't do media? What else exactly?
When it comes to team, Dusty is one of the most team first people we have but somehow you are suggesting otherwise
And why do you "actually want to know" whether he was at the game? You seem to be looking (wanting) for there to be some huge conspiracy around it
He has a hamstring, due to a lack of pre-season and missing 6 weeks of footy to grieve he tweaked it again. Not sure why you seem to think and want it to be more than that
I don’t think or know that’s why I’m asking and when I get a definitive answer to my question then I can make my own mind up on how I feel about the information I receive.
We can make assumptions either way but there’s wisdom in knowing and when you have all the facts you can then make informed hypothesis
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Be nice if Dusty would come out and say it or at least Ralph
Be nice yes for us real fans only, BUT I personally love what he is doing to those scum bags.
Those pieces of poo are crawling around looking for scraps and its fantastic to see.
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Can any point me to where Dusty or Ralph said he wanted to leave
Stupid Dima crapped on about going with our blessing but why all the carry on just because he likes holidays in Sydney ,
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I think Dimma was trying to take the air out of the story's tyres and relieve the pressure on Dusty by saying "hey, if he did leave he's a Richmond champion and we just want him to he healthy and happy," but he inadvertently added fuel to the flames by saying that instead. Miscalculation/poor word choice.
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Going by what Dimma said in his presser last night, Dusty is unlikely to be back before finals (if we make it).
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Coroner's report: Dustin Martin’s father, Shane, died alone at home from a heart attack.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martins-father-shane-died-of-cardiovascular-disease/news-story/c2babf00594d8515c4020348b683443c
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What's going with his hammy the way it's been handled laughable Burge has been a shocker lasg 2 seasons.
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Superstar Dustin Martin could remain up to another fortnight away.
Speaking on RSN, Neil Balme said the Tigers are hoping the 31-year-old will be available in the coming weeks.
"We're not taking any risks with Dusty, he's probably going to miss another one or two (weeks)," Balme said.
"So we just make sure we get enough work into him, so that if we do have the opportunity to really challenge, we've got to make sure we don't lose him to a tertiary hamstring.
"So we're being a little bit careful with him."
https://www.zerohanger.com/tigers-provide-update-on-dustin-martins-recovery-as-fears-co-captain-dylan-grimes-season-could-be-over-124763/
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Latest update from Peter Burge:
Dustin Martin, hamstring
"Dustin is progressing through a rehab phase still. We're in a bit of a holding pattern with this one, he's getting plenty of running volume into himself, but we're still finding it a little challenging to progress his speed. Given the location of the injury, it means we have to build some more strength work in the gym and build his running base out here on the field. So, we're not progressing his speed significantly this week. In terms of return to play, it's still very unclear. We're hopeful (Round 23) is a possibility, but as time rolls on, if we're not able to progress significantly in the next week or so, that starts to become a little less clear. We're doing everything we can and Dustin's working really hard, but we're working with an injury that can be quite tricky and one that has challenged us quite a bit this year with some players. But, we're looking at everything we're doing and everything that we can do and we'll push forward."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1187242/pilot-medical-update-round-21-2022
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How 7news tonight report it.
There's developing news at Richmond, with revelations Dustin Martin's season could be over. The Tigers say they're in a holding pattern. @NatYoannidis #7AFL #7NEWS
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1554389967908257793
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Jack on AFL360 just said he's absolutely confident Dusty will be at Punt Rd next year.
Robbo asked Jack if there's any truth to all the speculation about Dusty being "distant" from the group, etc this year compared to previous years and Jack immediately replied "No!". Jack checks in every day with Dusty. While being in rehab can be lonely and distant, Dusty's mindset right now is to get back to playing.
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Robbo: Are you absolutely confident that he’ll be at the Tigers next year Jack?
Riewoldt: Yes.
Jack couldn't have been more forthright about Dustin Martin's future on #AFL360
WATCH: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1554421340350091264
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RIEWOLDT STANDS FIRM ON DUSTY’S FUTURE
Richmond star Jack Riewoldt is categorically of the view teammate Dustin Martin will be at the club in 2023.
Martin is contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2024, but reports this year have linked the three-time Norm Smith Medallist with a potential move to a Sydney-based club.
Appearing on AFL 360, Riewoldt was asked by co-host Mark Robinson about Martin:
FULL EXCHANGE
Mark Robinson: Too much is being said at the moment that Dusty is a bit distant from the club and he’s not the same person in recent weeks that he has been in previous years. Is there any worth to that comment?
Jack Riewoldt: No.
MR: Have you spoken to him ....
JR: Yes. Every day. I chat to him every day.
MR: About his future?
JR: No, you just check in and make sure he’s going alright. He’s in rehab at the moment, so that can be a bit distant and lonely anyway.
MR: What’s his mindset like?
JR: His mindset is he’s trying to get himself fit for a push at the backend of the year.
MR: Are you absolutely confident that he’ll be at the Tigers next year Jack?
JR: Yes.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-luke-jackson-future-at-melbourne-demons-fremantle-dockers-dan-mcstay-brisbane-lions-collingwood-magpies-jordan-de-goey-st-kilda-saints/news-story/c5eaa4e477277bb04fa8ee0e49b32275
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
IF ...
Dusty won't be seen again this home and away season because of a hamstring ...
THEN ...
it's now possible he won't be seen again in Tigers colours. Making finals will give him a chance to play again in 2022. But what happens after that, only Dusty knows.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/812359/sliding-doors-if-kochie-has-been-unusually-publicly-quiet-about-the-power-then
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Footy Classified discussing Dusty tonight:
Caro: And then you've got Dustin Martin at Richmond, who has disengaged to a degree this year. Still not back in the side. Don't think he will be back this week. There's hope that in round 23 he'll be back.
Caro: Richmond are just starting to talk a little bit tough about Dustin Martin. They love him. They want him to stay. They say he's got a two year contract. They think he's got another 3-4 years left for his career; not two years. It would have to be a bloody good offer for them to even consider talking about letting him go.
Cornes: They would want to have him engaged. That's a warning sign.
Caro: Clearly, that's a big worry. For everything he has done for that footy club, they have been very good for Dustin Martin too. I just hope he remembers that.
Lloyd: If you're another suiter, Hutchy, you'd want to .... ah .... it's a massive .... I reckon it's Richmond or nowhere for Dusty. The fire in the belly, if it's not there, you don't take on a player on that money to a new club.
Caro: It's a problem that the money in this case seems to be the main reason that he is going to keep on playing. No one is going to walk away from $1.2 million or whatever it is a year. $1.3 million a year say. No one is going to do that.
Hutchy: Trying to thin that out for them would be the next move.
Cornes: You're saying the only reason he's playing is for money?
Caro: No, no! If that's what is going to keep him then that's a bit of a worry. I thought in the West Coast game he looked, you know, started to show signs of the Dustin of old but of course he ...
Hutchy: I reckon he will be back big time in the finals.
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Here's the clip:
Go to 1:50 min mark: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1556621046714884102
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Martin on track for any finals
By Oliver Caffrey
AAP
11 August 2022
Dustin Martin has been ruled out of the rest of the home-and-away season but Richmond expect the superstar to be back should they qualify for the finals.
The three-time Norm Smith Medallist hasn’t played since hurting his hamstring during the Tigers’ win against West Coast on July 3.
The 31-year-old has played just eight games this season as he has dealt with personal issues and soft-tissue injuries, so the Tigers are taking a cautious approach.
“The regular season he won’t play any further part, and if we make it (finals), he’ll be putting his hand up to play,” Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said at Punt Road Oval on Thursday morning.
“Probably speaking to Dustin really how he feels and where our medical staff think it is, just to give himself the best opportunity.
“We want to give him the very best opportunity to play at his best, we know what he’s like at this time of year (in finals)
“If we get there, he’ll certainly have a significant part to play.”
Adding to the intrigue around Martin is media speculation that he could leave Richmond and escape the Melbourne AFL fishbowl to play in Sydney next year.
Hardwick in May gave his blessing for Martin to move if he chooses, despite having two years left on his contract with the Tigers.
But the triple premiership coach is not worried about the rumours and believes Martin will remain at Richmond.
"He's a Richmond man and a Richmond player," Hardwick said.
"The longer we have Dustin Martin in our building, the better for us.
"The 20 per cent of stories that Dusty might go creates the media speculation, that gets the clicks.
"It’s driven by lots of external forces that we can’t control."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/817846/martin-on-track-to-play-finals-tiger-guns-set-to-face-hawks
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finally they had the balls to say it.
Worse management of our players this year. Whoever played a part should be given the arse.
2 months off for a second hammy :banghead
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There has been change made but it wont be seen until this season ends.
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finally they had the balls to say it.
Worse management of our players this year. Whoever played a part should be given the arse.
2 months off for a second hammy :banghead
Burge is already going, buck stops with him
While the amount of soft tissue injuries has been terrible but you are aware he has missed 5 games and as reported won't play for the next 2. So that's 7 weeks, not 2 months
But more importantly if you re-do a hamstring the recovery time is never the stock standard 3 weeks. They always go down the conservative route.
Is being cautious the right way too go? IMHO, yes everytime
Has our fitness and conditioning been good this season? As I said it's been terrible so that's a no.
Let's hope the get the Burge replacement right. It is absolutely crucial
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Yep, the recovery time effectively doubles if you re-injure a hammy or any soft-tissue injury. So 3 weeks becomes 6 weeks at least. Then you've got the issue of not playing for a lengthy period of time. The average player would usually come back via the ressies after a long lay off so their playing time can be managed, monitored and built up.
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Conservative is definitely the way to go, bring him back too early & his season is over if he does it again. Soft tissue injuries been a major issue for a number of yrs now (even during our dynasty) so change isn't a bad thing at yrs end. As for Burge, he'll still look like a genius if Dusty ends the Finals with another Normy around his neck along with another medal.
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Conservative is definitely the way to go, bring him back too early & his season is over if he does it again. Soft tissue injuries been a major issue for a number of yrs now (even during our dynasty) so change isn't a bad thing at yrs end. As for Burge, he'll still look like a genius if Dusty ends the Finals with another Normy around his neck along with another medal.
If that were to happen then that would be right up there with Royce coming on at half-time of the 1973 Prelim Final to turn around a 6 goal deficit and then us going on to win the flag the following weekend :yep.
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RIEWOLDT SAYS MARTIN “ALL-IN” AT RICHMOND AS EX-TEAMMATE CASTS DOUBT OVER FUTURE
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
12 August 2022
Jack Riewoldt has backed Dustin Martin to remain with Richmond on the same day as former Tiger Brett Deledio cast doubts on his future.
The three-time Norm Smith Medallist and premiership star is currently sidelined with a hamstring injury and will not be seen again in the home and away season, but could return if the Tigers make the finals.
Riewoldt says it was a “smart move” by the club to announce Martin’s injury status so he can focus on getting himself fit for week one of the finals if they are lucky enough to be there.
“He just hasn’t been able to increase his running speed,” Riewoldt said on SEN Tassie.
“He’s had a couple of recurrences of just some awareness around the hamstring.
“The idea around it is to take away from the want to get him back and people trying to get information about when he’s going to get back. Even for himself to can the home and away season, let’s set all our sights on the first final if it comes to fruition.
“That gives you another week in between the home and away season and leading into a first final. I think it’s a smart move just for his own mental game to know that I’ve got four weeks to get myself right.
“Hopefully we’re there and hopefully he can come in and have a big impact. Smart move from the football club to take away all the innuendo about when he’s going to come back.”
Martin’s name continues to be included in trade speculation with some predicting he will leave Punt Road at the end of this year.
But from what Riewoldt has seen of Martin, he is confident the superstar is “all-in” at Richmond.
He was asked if we will see the 2017 Brownlow Medallist in Tigers colours again.
“I can’t see a reason why we wouldn’t,” he added.
“His buy-in has been great lately, he’s really invested in getting himself back out on the track which is the most important thing.
“He looks all-in.”
However, former teammate Deledio has his doubts.
The 243-game Tiger sees the Martin situation as “eerily similar” to his own when he experienced soft tissue injuries late in his career before joining GWS prior to the 2017 season.
“I’m a bit skeptical on the whole thing,” Deledio told ABC Sport.
“I’m not saying that it’s not a hammy, but I’m always nervous about players when there’s a bit of noise about them leaving and whatever else, and then it’s the convenience of, ‘Oh, he’s out, but he will play if there’s finals’.
“I don’t know. I’m just hearing a bit of noise around the big fella and I’m not sure I’m convinced on everything that’s going on.”
Deledio wouldn’t be surprised if Martin were to up and leave the club even after hearing CEO Brendon Gale suggest he’s going nowhere.
“I think there’s a chance (he leaves),” he added.
“I’m just hearing some things out there. In saying that, I sat right next to Brendon Gale and he said, ‘He’s a Richmond person and he’s contracted for the next two years and (we’ll) be buggered if we’re going to be paying some of his wage for a good player like him to go and play at some other club’.
“If someone wanted to come and get him they’d have to pay a pretty hefty price in terms of draft picks and his salary, which you’d assume was back-ended.
“Don’t hang me on it, but I’m just reading the tea leaves a little bit.
“It’s a bit similar to my situation when I left. I had the calf (issues) and probably could have come back but then didn’t and then made my mind up that I was ready for a change.
“It’s just easier to sit out. We were never going to play finals, so that’s hanging over the head a little bit, but it just seems eerily similar.”
Martin, 31, is contracted with Richmond until 2024.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/12/riewoldt-says-martin-all-in-at-richmond-as-ex-teammate-casts-doubt-over/
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Former Richmond star Brett Deledio has cast fresh doubt over Dustin Martin's future at Punt Road. Deledio says he sees similarities between Dusty and his own injury-plagued exit from Tigerland. @NatYoannidis @7AFL
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1558014647168811009
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Former Richmond star Brett Deledio has cast fresh doubt over Dustin Martin's future at Punt Road. Deledio says he sees similarities between Dusty and his own injury-plagued exit from Tigerland. @NatYoannidis @7AFL
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1558014647168811009
Ahhhhhhh pretty sure Deledio left chasing success whereas dusty has had enough success to satisfy 3 careers.
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Former Richmond star Brett Deledio has cast fresh doubt over Dustin Martin's future at Punt Road. Deledio says he sees similarities between Dusty and his own injury-plagued exit from Tigerland. @NatYoannidis @7AFL
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1558014647168811009
Really Brett?
I don't
Very, very different
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Can't stand this bloke honestly best thing we did was got rid of him.
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Can't stand this bloke honestly best thing we did was got rid of him.
Yeah he is a massive campaigner that was only ever interested in the dollar and had no interest in our club or supporters, but he is not way off the mark in this instance.
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Lmao Lids 'casting doubt' as if he knows anyone at the club anymore
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The Deledio story will always haunt me. The times I met Brett he was always an absolute ripper guy.
But stories Ive hard from ex coaches is that Kids was really toxic. Always was a pain on the ass when he came off and was really negative towards team mates but particular coaching and footy department staff.
I refused to believe it but the shoe fits that when he left we became successful.
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Lids lost me when he rathered the zoo than watch his ex teammates play the Granny in 2017. From that moment he lost relevance to all things Richmond
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Trained strongly yesterday apparently.
Any chance we get some game time into him before finals? Like a half in the VFL during the break week?..
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Trained strongly yesterday apparently.
Any chance we get some game time into him before finals? Like a half in the VFL during the break week?..
I agree with VFL minutes. Half a game or so
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Trained strongly yesterday apparently.
Any chance we get some game time into him before finals? Like a half in the VFL during the break week?..
I agree with VFL minutes. Half a game or so
Need to win next week and have the blues lose otherwise our VFL season is over next week.
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Solid no with VFL idea.
Get him intra match fit where you can control more variables. Just need some idiot VFL mug that wants a 5 second fame roughing Dusty up, lining him up or sniping him. Way too risky coming into finals.
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1558700337011499009
But the media want to claim Dusty is "disengaged" ::).
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Hardwick reiterated three-time Norm Smith medalist Dustin Martin was on track to be available for their first final.
"He trained well. It'll be primarily that first week of finals," Hardwick said about Martin.
"He's just starting to get some work in, get some speed in, some ball handling. We'll take it slow with him. We know what he can do at this time of the year. It's important we get him right."
Source: RFC website. (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1199664/-open-season-gives-dimma-hope)
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Think Dustin Martin is on his way out of Richmond? Think again (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f440.png)
There’s one major factor that will play a big role in keeping footy’s highest paid player at Punt Rd
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1558917626960588800
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AFL Rich 100: Dustin Martin is footy’s highest-played player in 2022
Dustin Martin’s seven-year contract was already the best deal Richmond ever made. Now making Dusty the highest-paid player in the AFL could pay off in a new way.
Glenn McFarlane, Jon Ralph, Jay Clark and Marc McGowan
HeraldSun
14 August 2022
Richmond champion Dustin Martin sits atop of the AFL’s pay mountain in 2022, which says a lot about the seismic contract he signed five years ago as well as the changing landscape of the game’s top-end pay brackets.
Martin has played only eight matches this season because of injury and a leave of absence for personal reasons, but he has still managed to scale footy’s financial summit.
His $1.2 million to $1.3 million remuneration in 2022 remains almost the same as it has been over the previous four seasons – and will still be for the next two years.
The previous two Herald Sun Rich List No.1s – Jeremy Cameron (around $1,500,000 in 2020) and Lance Franklin ($1,500,000 last year) – had been scheduled to earn more than Martin in those years, albeit Cameron’s back-ended Greater Western Sydney deal was sliced by around $400,000 as part of the AFL players’ Covid sacrifices two years ago.
Martin famously sacrificed more than $2 million when he rejected a “Godfather” offer to join North Melbourne, a decision he made on the eve of the 2017 finals series.
Instead, the midfielder-forward chose loyalty over leaving. He ended up signing a seven-year $8 million-plus deal to stay with the Tigers.
Regardless of what might unfold across the final two years of that deal – whether Martin stays, goes or retires – it has been one of the best value-for-money deals in modern football.
What sort of price can you put on three flags, a record three Norm Smith Medals and a Brownlow Medal that followed the deal’s inking, even if his 2017 reward was on his old deal.
Martin’s contract helped seal a football dynasty with the momentum of his signature a boost as the Tigers unlocked a 37-year flag drought before more success in 2019 and 2020.
Tellingly, the financial commitment of the final two years – which adds up to around $2.5 million across 2023 and 2024 – might play a role in keeping Martin in yellow and black.
While there has been speculation the media-shy Martin could benefit from playing outside the Melbourne footy goldfish bowl, the anchor of such a huge financial obligation for a player who turns 32 next June could yet prove a bridge too far for clubs, if he decides to move.
The Tigers acknowledge Martin owes the club nothing, given what he has provided across 13 seasons and 268 games. But they also want to do everything possible to keep him, with coach Damien Hardwick saying recently the club is confident he will see out his contract.
The fact that Martin’s deal – brokered in 2017 – sees him on the biggest 2022 contract also points to a change in philosophy by some of the game’s biggest names – and by the clubs.
We’ve long speculated on which young star might one day become the first $2 million per season player, but if anything, the landscape at the top end of the pay bracket has moved.
Some players at the top end of the scale, including West Coast’s Jeremy McGovern and Fremantle’s Nat Fyfe, have accepted adjustments to their bumper contracts in recent seasons in order to help balance the salary cap scales of their respective clubs.
Other superstars, such as Melbourne midfielders Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver, have gone for the length of tenure instead of the ultimate top dollars in recent negotiations, preferring to ink longer term deals of up to seven years on $1 million rather than shorter-term commitments on figures up to $1.5 million.
Clubs now know they can ill afford to be lumbered with salary cap tilting too far in the wrong direction, evidenced by recent struggles by West Coast and Greater Western Sydney, who are now seeking a better balance.
Savvy and successful clubs such as Geelong have found a way to still bring in key personnel into the group by a collective sharing of the financial load and balancing salary cap scales.
It has been the key to the Cats remaining in the premiership window year after year.
Despite what many would have you believe, the pursuit of team success and club loyalty still drives the vast majority of AFL players as much as their personal pay packets.
When Martin signed on for the Tigers back in 2017, he made the comment: “I kind of felt like I was cheating on a girlfriend or something (when dealing with North Melbourne).”
Tigers fans will be hoping Dusty has those same thoughts when he looks ahead to 2023.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rich-100-is-it-time-for-afl-player-wages-to-be-made-public/news-story/40deb5f78ead1f59a60bb43cc3afe0c7
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Ralph Carr's latest tweet:
@DustinMartin4 @aflnswact @AFL @Richmond_FC @traderadio @FootyonNine @agerealfooty @AFL_House
A decade of Dusty: Ten minutes of vintage Dustin Martin | 2020 | AFL
In round 1, 2010 a star was born.
Enjoy the best highlights one of the greatest players has to offer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fBVAAgRz4
https://twitter.com/RalphCarrRCM/status/1558793793641390081
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Dimma today said Dusty has made some significant progress this week and is over the "hump". We are still hoping for a return for the first week of the finals but there's no guarantees.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1201585/hardwick-previews-essendon
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I think he'll be right for the first final trained well this week from reports step it up next week again.
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Mitch Cleary on Ch 7 said the Tigers think it is more unlikely Dusty will play in the first week of the finals but they will give him every chance as he ramps up his training and we'll know more by the end of next week.
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Mitch Cleary on Ch 7 said the Tigers think it is more unlikely Dusty will play in the first week of the finals but they will give him every chance as he ramps up his training and we'll know more by the end of next week.
We all know what dusty can bring but the big question is who we take out. Ross and Sonsie showed heaps tonight so I'm thinking Edwards to Sub to bring him in. It's a couple of weeks away but how could you leave him out?
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Make Dusty the Sub :rollin
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"Dustin Martin was in on their day off to do everything he can to overcome his hamstring injury for round one of the finals" - Tom Browne.
Go to 0:55 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1561637522136264706
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Of Martin’s return at Tigerland, Richmond high-performance manager Peter Burge said:
“Dusty is going quite well, he is firming [to play].
“He has had two pretty good sessions. On Saturday he did about 12ks at 80 per cent speed and today he did about 10kms at around 80 per cent speed again, but he did a lot more footy stuff today, change of direction, that sort of stuff. His agility today was a lot more aggressive and more intense than he has been able to give us.
“It’s really been a confidence thing with him as well. He hasn’t dealt with this sort of thing previously. He has been very apprehensive to push too quickly, given we had a little incident about five weeks back, but I feel like we are making progress.
“I list him as questionable on our scale only because we have a few more sessions, but he will move into the probable by the weekend.
“We thought we were probably going to play on the Saturday. If we were on the Saturday I would say he is almost definitely going to play, just the extra two days we lose a session, but he is going pretty well.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-time-tom-lynch-and-dustin-martin-likely-starts-for-tigers-cut-throat-final-20220822-p5bbu0.html
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What impact can Dusty have after eight weeks off?
Dustin Martin has defined almost every finals campaign he has played in — but this year is different. What impact can the superstar have after two months on the sidelines?
Sports medical expert Dr Peter Brukner has backed Richmond superstar Dustin Martin to make a return for the Tigers' cutthroat final against the Brisbane...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hurt-locker-all-the-afl-injuries-ahead-of-week-one-of-the-2022-finals/news-story/bdbc082596eda2bb4cb26c3f34538041
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Dusty poised for return
Dustin Martin is on track to make his comeback against Brisbane.
By AAP
25 August 2022
RICHMOND superstar Dustin Martin is firming for a dramatic finals return after completing his heaviest training load yet since his hamstring injury.
Martin hasn't played since suffering a hamstring injury in round 16, but is building towards a return and spent time back in Richmond's main training group as well as working hard alone.
"He did a bit of training here today, and we have another session on Saturday, so hopefully he can do a bit more then," ruckman Toby Nankervis said.
"We will know more next week but, hopefully, he does [face Brisbane].
"Yeah probably [this is the most main training Martin has done] for a while.
"He's been doing a mountain of work away from the group, he's been training really well with the rehab group but to have him back in the main group gave everyone a really big lift.
"So hopefully more training in the next couple of days."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/829750/young-tiger-suffers-injury-scare-at-training-dusty-poised-for-return).
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Vision of Dusty training on 7news last night.
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has been put through his biggest test yet ahead of next Thursday's elimination final.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1562724446599004160
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Hopefully does a Brad Ottens
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
IF ...
there's a Brownlow medallist who has only played eight of the past 26 Tigers matches and has been banged up with very serious kidney damage and hamstring strains in the past 13 months ...
THEN ...
do not dare write Dusty off. He will play next Thursday night, against the Lions at the Gabba. And he will probably be best on ground.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/829258/if-anyone-thinks-bud-is-superfluous-to-the-swans-flag-hopes-then
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Dustin Martin in fine form at training this morning.
Looks a lock to face Brisbane. @7NewsMelbourne
Watch here: https://twitter.com/NatYoannidis/status/1563325217388507138
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Hmm play him fwd most of the game.
The following set up looks pretty darn good to me
Cumberland - Riewoldt - Bolton
Martin - Lynch - MRJ.
Miller plays second ruck and goes fwd to change it up also gives cover if we lose a tall fwd or tall defender.
My only wish is we actually found a big inside mid.
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I would give him time in the guts to we need him there at times , but not blow him up make the lions panic.
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RUSTY DUSTY?
Richmond is the most threatening side outside the top four because the Tigers go into the finals campaign unburdened by fear and expectation like the others. It makes them dangerous.
Richmond are “playing with house money”. They have pocketed three flags with the rump of this playing group, so squeezing out another with a team that has been rebuilt on the run this year would be a bonus. Nothing is expected of them and falling short is not a comment on their standing.
They have played the year basically without Dustin Martin, the sun around which the Tigers’ game has long orbited, and have worked out how to play and win without the heavy reliance on him.
Now they get him back, the question, which feels like a luxury, is to work out how Martin can complement Richmond not how Richmond can complement Martin.
They will both find a way. The more pressing question is how Martin comes back after nine weeks out? A player as durable as Martin has seldom had to ask this question of himself.
The Lions feel like a counterpoint to Richmond. With one win from six finals under Chris Fagan and all of the losses at home at the Gabba that is a heavy burden going into an elimination final against a team like Richmond. Of comfort is the fact the one final win they did have was ... against the Tigers two years ago at the Gabba.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/four-points-new-experience-for-bombers-dusty-for-tigers-and-cameron-question-20220828-p5bdbq.html
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Id play him as a forward ... no position just go anywhere he wants in the forward line. If we're winning comfortably, take him of @ end of the 3rd quarter.
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David King runs through Dustin Martin's incredible performances in his last 12 finals.
https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1564196662288912386
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Dusty could be unleashed as a forward for #AFLLionsTigers on Thursday night, & one Tiger had a front row seat today to the “scary” show his opponent could be in for. “He’s not a conventional forward…he is like trying to move a brick wall.”
https://twitter.com/LaurenHeraldSun/status/1564198795704815616
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Could this possibly be the last game we see Dustin Martin play for Richmond?
#9FootyClassified
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1564218966301712384
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‘Expect conversation to be had’: Why Dusty may have one game left as Tiger as ‘big risk’ revealed
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
August 30th, 2022
With Dustin Martin’s future at Richmond uncertain beyond this season, it’s possible this Thursday night could be the last time we see him in yellow and black.
Martin is set to return in the Tigers’ elimination final clash against Brisbane for his first match since Round 16 due to a serious hamstring injury. He’s played just eight games this year due to a combination of personal reasons and his hamstring setback.
It comes in a year where speculation has been rife that Martin could seek a trade away from Punt Road at season’s end despite him being contracted at Richmond until 2024 for a lucrative total of $2.6 million, with Sydney the club most linked to the triple Norm Smith medallist despite consistently downplaying its interest.
Speaking on Channel 9’s Footy Classified, journalist Damian Barrett says he expects conversations between Martin and club bosses about his future to ramp up when Richmond’s season ends.
“There is every chance if they were to lose this game (against Brisbane), the conversation we’ve long thought now would be had at the end of the year,” Barrett said.
“It was Peggy O’Neal, Brendan Gale and Damien Hardwick who flagged it publicly — more so than the media at that point of time — that this was a conversation to be parked.
“I still expect that conversation to be had, and it’s possible it is the last game he plays for the Tigers with two years of a deal to run.”
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd believes the 31-year old is a “big risk” for rival clubs and questioned who the genuine suitors for him were.
And despite so much conjecture around Martin’s future, veteran journalist Caroline Wilson predicted he’ll remain at the Tigers given the difficulty in moving his big-money contract.
“Sydney vehemently deny they’re into him, GWS I don’t think would have the room. Gold Coast was the other club linked to Dustin Martin — they also vehemently deny they’re having a look at him,” she said.
“It’s a lot of money for a player of his age. If I’ve got money on it now, I reckon he stays at Richmond.”
Dual All-Australian Kane Cornes labelled Martin the “greatest finals player I’ve ever seen,” but said expectations need to be tempered around his performance this weekend after such a lengthy layoff.
Lloyd added: “I see him as just a pure forward — if he can kick a couple of goals, apply pressure — that’s all you can hope for from someone who’s missed so much footy.”
Martin has booted 302 goals from 268 AFL games since making his debut in 2010.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-future-last-game-for-richmond-tigers-against-brisbane-lions-trade-rumours-whispers-sydney-swans-gws-giants-gold-coast-suns/news-story/ede3865d868d06eb42de4eb17b243889
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Apply pressure? Hasn't been dusty for years.
He's just there to sit in the pocket IMO and jag a few
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Put your coin on him kicking 4.
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Apply pressure? Hasn't been dusty for years.
He's just there to sit in the pocket IMO and jag a few
The best pressure is scoreboard pressure :)
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Apply pressure? Hasn't been dusty for years.
He's just there to sit in the pocket IMO and jag a few
The best pressure is scoreboard pressure :)
Yep
Also not really Dusty's job to chase. He's a burst player.
Guys like MRJ, Bolton, Cumberland can do that.
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AFL LEGEND WARY OF RICHMOND'S “GIGANTIC DILEMMA” WITH DUSTY
By Vas Shipp
SEN
31 August 2022
AFL legend Leigh Matthews says the Tigers will be in a tricky predicament at the selection table when it comes to their biggest name player.
Triple Norm Smith medallist Dustin Martin is pushing to return to the senior side for the first time since Round 16 as Richmond heads north to take on the Lions in an Elimination Final on Thursday night.
Speaking to Sportsday, the four-time premiership coach explained the decision the club’s coaching and fitness staff will soon face.
“Dustin Martin is the biggest selection dilemma; I mean he hasn’t played for a couple of months,” Matthews said.
“The people inside the football club make the judgements. What are the proven capabilities of that player, but more importantly, judge their readiness to play this week.”
The 31-year-old first injured his hamstring in the Tigers Round 16 win over the Eagles and has faced continued setbacks on his road to recovery, appearing in just eight games for the yellow and black this season.
Martin also stepped away from the game in March to mourn the loss of his father.
“Dustin Martin I find really interesting; I don’t know how much he’s been doing behind the scenes … his full training session seems to have happened today or yesterday,” Matthews said.
“We know how good Dustin Martin has been, but to try and judge his readiness to be that player or anywhere near that player this week I think is a gigantic dilemma for the Richmond selection group.”
Labelled by many as the greatest finals player of all time, Martin has averaged 22 disposals, four clearances and just under two goals a game across his 15 finals.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/30/afl-legend-wary-of-dusty-gigantic-dilemma/
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Tigers’ burning question: How much of a lift does Dusty give?
Although it’s yet to be officially confirmed, Dustin Martin is expected to return against the Lions for his first match since Round 16 due to a serious hamstring injury. We haven’t seen a lot of Martin this year, playing just eight games due to a combination of personal reasons and his hamstring setback. But he’s likely to return on the September stage he’s made his in recent years including winning three Norm Smith medals on the grandest stage of them all. He’s also really shined at the Gabba, kicking 10.0 straight from three finals at the venue, per Fantasy Freako, which includes his remarkable performance in the 2020 decider. So Martin’s return is timely as the Tigers and Lions add another chapter their finals rivalry of recent years.
Speaking on Fox Footy’s AFL 360, Tigers coach Damien Hardwick suggested Martin would “play a different role” if he was to make the final side.
“He will play predominantly forward. We know he’s played that role before and he’s quite capable,” he said. “Against Brisbane he’s had some really good games like that. What we do know is that players of Dustin’s ilk put themselves where they need to be. I’ve said this often as a coach, the very best players have got a great understanding of where to put themselves at the best of times.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-week-one-of-finals-2022-the-blowtorch-preview-analysis-fixture-fox-footy-commentators-every-clubs-burning-question/news-story/71b829ef669e5d848609a1d6e39da87e
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Dimma up at the Gabba said Dusty is playing Thursday night :thumbsup.
Source: 7news.
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On the HeraldSun website (paywalled). Apparently dug up from 7 years ago.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/video-captures-dustin-martin-groping-topless-womans-breast/news-story/34463feb8b9ef882e6995be0cc3ea055
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The full article:
Richmond star Dustin Martin appears to grope topless woman from behind in leaked video
The AFL is investigating the footage, which appears to show Martin groping the woman, after it spread across the internet.
Richmond star Dustin Martin has been caught in leaked footage appearing to grope a topless woman from behind.
The AFL is investigating the footage, which appears to show Martin groping the woman, after it spread across the internet.
The video appears to show Martin reaching around from behind the woman and grabbing her breast as she sits on the lap of another gentleman.
It remains unclear exactly where the incident occurred, however the video appears to be from inside a strip club or bar.
The topless woman can be seen sitting on a man’s lap as Martin approaches and extends his arm around her torso, before he is seen walking away laughing.
“We have become aware of a video posted on social media. We are seeking further information,” an AFL spokesman said, according to the Herald Sun.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick was questioned about the video on Wednesday afternoon but played a straight bat to questions.
“There’s just an old video of what looks like from 2017 of Dusty online on Twitter this afternoon, I think at a Richmond event. Are you aware of that, have you seen that video?” 7 News reporter Tom Browne asked.
“No,” Hardwick responded. “I’m not too sure.”
Martin rejoined his Richmond teammates and was named in the team for the first final which takes place in Brisbane on Thursday night.
Martin, despite his on field heroics, has a long list of off-field controversies that have plagued his career.
In 2012, he received a two week suspension from the club for missing a training session.
In 2013, he was caught running a red light, in 2014 he was fined after driving suspended, and in 2015 he was accused of making threats inside a Japanese restaurant in Melbourne.
Dusty has endured a tough past 12 months after his father Shane, 54, died at his Mt Maunganui home in New Zealand on December 17, 2021.
Shane died of cardiovascular disease with drugs and steroids in his system.
Subsequent post-mortem tests found Mr Martin had a 600g enlarged heart, about double the size of an average man’s heart.
News.com.au contacted Dustin Martin’s agent for comment.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/video-captures-dustin-martin-groping-topless-womans-breast/news-story/34463feb8b9ef882e6995be0cc3ea055
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And on Footy Classified Sam McClure again saying Dusty will be centre at trade time
Still going on that Dusty isn't in love with footy anymore and has become more gettable in the last month
Lyon said he should stay at Richmond
Caro agreed
Lloyd said no one will take on his contract with his injury history :help
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Never knew 4 indiscretions over 13 years, including 2 standard traffic infringements constituted ‘a long list of off-field controversies’.
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stuff the world is a sad place. Goes to a strip club what 4 years ago and its a big deal he touched a girls breasts.
let me tell you one thing if i was in his shoes i would have done the exactly same thing.
FO and play on. Someone out to get into our heads for tomorrow :shh
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Its awesome to see the lengths that some people go to trying to put us off our game.
Thanks for the video & thanks for showing your fear! We knew it was there all along ... now we have proof! :lol
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At this rate we will be outlawing the male erection right on schedule by 2035. After that, spontaneity by 2050; fun by 2060; and we will be living emotionless in the 2002 film Equilibrium by 2099, ready to usher in a new century of absolutely nothing. But, by God, will it be politically correct!
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Would have thought 2036 would’ve brought forward 2060 by 25 years but that’s just me
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Today's HeraldSun frontpage.
(https://edition.pagesuite.com/get_image.aspx?pbid=38d72c05-d55e-479e-a6ea-985d57be1901&h=400&pnum=first)
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That looks fairly old. Anyone seen it ?
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At this rate we will be outlawing the male erection right on schedule by 2035. After that, spontaneity by 2050; fun by 2060; and we will be living emotionless in the 2002 film Equilibrium by 2099, ready to usher in a new century of absolutely nothing. But, by God, will it be politically correct!
Seinfeld repeats. Well you can forget about them.
Replaced with a black George and those breast’s were not real and they certainly weren’t spectacular.
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That looks fairly old. Anyone seen it ?
The breast?
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That looks fairly old. Anyone seen it ?
Yes I’ve seen the vid.
It looks old AF and all he does is touch a stripper’s warlocks.
Nothing in it. Play on.
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Apparently 2017 probably a premiership celebration.
Honestly who are the lowlifes that hang onto this for a rainy day ffs.
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It’s Dusty so it’s big news. But geez the journos these days are gutter trash. And the AFL expect coaches and players to provide unlimited access to these muppets and they print garbage like this.
Why is this breaking news…. Did he commit an offence or breach some protocol… No!
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And people wonder why I attack the HUN and Murdoch Media :banghead
Right in queue here they are with their stock standard gutter trash
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It’s because they are never the only losers. Have you not seen channel 9 yet possible all the majors tonight. Who owns them?
Wake up please they are all scum bags.
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Reckon the bigger offense is filming a naked woman and distribution without consent. Herald Sun should be liable. What if this woman's family didn't know she did this line of work. Or her friends or her daytime boss. Disgraceful.
I will say that whilst this isn't the same as De Goey, who gripped a woman in a public nightclub, it's not something that is allowed in majority of strip clubs and he probably shouldn't have done it. But without context, he may have paid for a 10k lappy and had the works 5 minutes before, or the strip joint may allow friendly touching, it's hard to judge too much.
It's just a disgrace this stuff comes out on eve of a final.
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I’m pretty sure that has been previously sent around.
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Reckon the bigger offense is filming a naked woman and distribution without consent. Herald Sun should be liable. What if this woman's family didn't know she did this line of work. Or her friends or her daytime boss. Disgraceful.
I will say that whilst this isn't the same as De Goey, who gripped a woman in a public nightclub, it's not something that is allowed in majority of strip clubs and he probably shouldn't have done it. But without context, he may have paid for a 10k lappy and had the works 5 minutes before, or the strip joint may allow friendly touching, it's hard to judge too much.
It's just a disgrace this stuff comes out on eve of a final.
So true. Any filming in a venue like this would surely be off limits and a chargeable offense.
I dated a former stripper for a couple of years and she said there was no touching allowed, period, and the security were around non-stop to remove anyone that didn't follow that rule.
Context is everything but I reckon it's a storm in a tea cup. Same with De Goey. The players just need to be super mindful not to do this sort of thing when the media are out to get them.
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Reckon the bigger offense is filming a naked woman and distribution without consent. Herald Sun should be liable. What if this woman's family didn't know she did this line of work. Or her friends or her daytime boss. Disgraceful.
I will say that whilst this isn't the same as De Goey, who gripped a woman in a public nightclub, it's not something that is allowed in majority of strip clubs and he probably shouldn't have done it. But without context, he may have paid for a 10k lappy and had the works 5 minutes before, or the strip joint may allow friendly touching, it's hard to judge too much.
It's just a disgrace this stuff comes out on eve of a final.
Where was the bouncer looking after the girls? Usually there to stop this type of thing....unless that type of thing has been paid for.
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Bouncer? My god.
If a girl in that place grabbed Dusty’s cock what would have happened? Nothing but a big joke that’s what.
Bunch of losers.
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And people wonder why I attack the HUN and Murdoch Media :banghead
Right in queue here they are with their stock standard gutter trash
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-examine-old-footage-of-dustin-martin-grabbing-a-woman-s-breast-20220831-p5be3w.html
Bloody Murdoch?
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And people wonder why I attack the HUN and Murdoch Media :banghead
Right in queue here they are with their stock standard gutter trash
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-examine-old-footage-of-dustin-martin-grabbing-a-woman-s-breast-20220831-p5be3w.html
Bloody Murdoch?
Frankie, seriously!
Who broke the story? Which media outlet had it up online first? Who has plastered on its front page today?
The HUN, Murdoch media
The rest like the sheep they are followed
Please don't try and defend the indefensible
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Then Kane Cornes pipes up with “Dusty owes it to the game to speak” when coming back from time off earlier this year.
Be consistent Kane, the AFL media - whoever it is - owe the AFL more than the players in how the cover the game. If this is years old, it’s a disgrace that it’s being release of the day of a final.
Talk about putting the game into disrepute
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Fair set of Saint Moritz
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Reckon the bigger offense is filming a naked woman and distribution without consent. Herald Sun should be liable. What if this woman's family didn't know she did this line of work. Or her friends or her daytime boss. Disgraceful.
I will say that whilst this isn't the same as De Goey, who gripped a woman in a public nightclub, it's not something that is allowed in majority of strip clubs and he probably shouldn't have done it. But without context, he may have paid for a 10k lappy and had the works 5 minutes before, or the strip joint may allow friendly touching, it's hard to judge too much.
It's just a disgrace this stuff comes out on eve of a final.
I dated a former stripper for a couple of years and she said there was no touching allowed, period, and the security were around non-stop to remove anyone that didn't follow that rule.
In QLD, there is only one place you can't touch. Rules are very relaxed in the Sunshine state.
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At this rate we will be outlawing the male erection right on schedule by 2035. After that, spontaneity by 2050; fun by 2060; and we will be living emotionless in the 2002 film Equilibrium by 2099, ready to usher in a new century of absolutely nothing. But, by God, will it be politically correct!
:lol
This sounds like some sort of thought or idea or God forbid, an opinion!
As one of the great current modern thinkers of today once articulated so eloquently,
How dare you! sir
Keep having your own thoughts and opinions and bad things will happen to you. :rollin
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No doubt this was premeditated scum bags the journalists in this country worse in the world by a mile from 2017 or 2015 really that makes newsas people said the offence is the guy filming in that venue.
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Dusty Martin scandal is ‘AFL’s worst nightmare’ before finals
AFL legends have dropped a truth bomb as the football world reels from the scandal surrounding Tigers star Dustin Martin.
Tyson Otto
News Corp
September 1, 2022 - 12:24PM
Footy legend Garry Lyon says the video scandal surrounding Dustin Martin is the AFL’s “worst nightmare” just hours away from the start of the 2022 Finals Series.
Lyon and fellow SEN Breakfast host Tim Watson on Thursday morning said Martin’s apparent behaviour in the video is “unacceptable”.
The scandal is playing out on the same day Martin is making his comeback for the Tigers in a blockbuster elimination final against the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Thursday night.
Lyon said it is a “disaster” for the AFL.
“That would be, for all sorts of the reasons, the AFL’s worst nightmare on the launch of this finals series,” Lyon said.
“From a behaviour point of view, to the focus that they want, to the circus this will be unfolding now in Brisbane with Dusty returning to footy having been out for a long, long time. Now, like it or not, this is going to be the focus.
“Timing-wise, not that that matters, it’s a disaster for the AFL.”
Lyon said the video could potentially see the AFL respond in a similar fashion to the way the league handled Collingwood star Jordan De Goey’s Bali nightclub video scandal where he was seen appearing to expose a woman’s breast.
“I don’t know what to say to this other than you are responsible for your own actions,” he said
“That was the thing from Jordan’s perspective, unsolicited touching, whether you knew them or not, is not acceptable. That is why it will be an issue and that is why it will be a story that continues to rage throughout the day.”
Essendon legend Watson also said: “There’s no place in the world where that behaviour is acceptable. It’s never ever right, no matter what the circumstance, to grab someone on the breast.”
Lyon earlier this year slammed De Goey for “entitled behaviour that’s not acceptable in any way, shape or form”.
The Collingwood star was ultimately issued a $25,000 suspended fine by his football club, but also had a rich contract offer taken off the table.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-martin-scandal-is-afls-worst-nightmare-before-finals/news-story/cc22566b57915029622eeb3e3c0605c2
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Apparently 2017 probably a premiership celebration.
Honestly who are the lowlifes that hang onto this for a rainy day ffs.
It's from 2015. A couple of people on twitter saying it was a private function (possibly a bucks party?) at the Sporting Globe in Richmond.
Richmond sources have confirmed that the footage was from 2015. Martin was either 23 or 24 at the time, depending on when it occurred, and in his sixth season, and the club’s view is that it is a poor look.
Martin has not publicly acknowledged the video, which may have been circulating for years and was publicised by media outlets on Wednesday night and Thursday.
Sources said the club was not aware of the incident or the footage until it surfaced on social media on Wednesday.
An AFL spokesperson said it became aware of the video posted on social media and was seeking further information.
The expectation is that Martin will not be spoken to by the AFL about the incident until after the elimination final on Thursday night against the Brisbane Lions.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-to-examine-old-footage-of-dustin-martin-grabbing-a-woman-s-breast-20220831-p5be3w.html
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Sam McClure on twitter:
Dustin Martin, who might be the greatest player ever, facing criticism for an incident that was 6 years ago at a private function because someone felt special spreading a video.
No wonder he’s sick of living in Melbourne.
https://twitter.com/sam_mcclure/status/1565169979187552256
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Dusty Martin scandal is ‘AFL’s worst nightmare’ before finals
AFL legends have dropped a truth bomb as the football world reels from the scandal surrounding Tigers star Dustin Martin.
Tyson Otto
News Corp
September 1, 2022 - 12:24PM
Footy legend Garry Lyon says the video scandal surrounding Dustin Martin is the AFL’s “worst nightmare” just hours away from the start of the 2022 Finals Series.
Lyon and fellow SEN Breakfast host Tim Watson on Thursday morning said Martin’s apparent behaviour in the video is “unacceptable”.
The scandal is playing out on the same day Martin is making his comeback for the Tigers in a blockbuster elimination final against the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Thursday night.
Lyon said it is a “disaster” for the AFL.
“That would be, for all sorts of the reasons, the AFL’s worst nightmare on the launch of this finals series,” Lyon said.
“From a behaviour point of view, to the focus that they want, to the circus this will be unfolding now in Brisbane with Dusty returning to footy having been out for a long, long time. Now, like it or not, this is going to be the focus.
“Timing-wise, not that that matters, it’s a disaster for the AFL.”
Lyon said the video could potentially see the AFL respond in a similar fashion to the way the league handled Collingwood star Jordan De Goey’s Bali nightclub video scandal where he was seen appearing to expose a woman’s breast.
“I don’t know what to say to this other than you are responsible for your own actions,” he said
“That was the thing from Jordan’s perspective, unsolicited touching, whether you knew them or not, is not acceptable. That is why it will be an issue and that is why it will be a story that continues to rage throughout the day.”
Essendon legend Watson also said: “There’s no place in the world where that behaviour is acceptable. It’s never ever right, no matter what the circumstance, to grab someone on the breast.”
Lyon earlier this year slammed De Goey for “entitled behaviour that’s not acceptable in any way, shape or form”.
The Collingwood star was ultimately issued a $25,000 suspended fine by his football club, but also had a rich contract offer taken off the table.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-martin-scandal-is-afls-worst-nightmare-before-finals/news-story/cc22566b57915029622eeb3e3c0605c2
Please Gary your the last person to give advice on topics like this smell your own underarms.
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You get a lot of this these days: It's a scandal if everyone says it is, or, more to the point, is concerned that someone else thinks it's a scandal. Actually, it's just the infestation of 'optics' in a post-marketing world--a worry about how things look to other people rather than going through the exhausting cerebral effort of making up your own mind about something.
How many of us reading this and how many of those bleating scandal were conceived without male hands making contact with female breasts?
And on that point, how do they know it is 'groping'? 'Groping' is a subjective judgement, not a fact of reality. It's an interpretation. Or is all sensual behaviour considered groping these days? There's no context to the footage, just ungenerous assumptions.
Western society has lost the plot. The Inquisition, the Prohibition--they're baaaaaa-aaack!
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Watching the video again.
The girl looks like she's falling off the plarform. Dusty saved her life.
The king continues to give. Hail Dusty.
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Spot on mate, we are told what to be offended about, what is or isn’t appropriate and a range of other emotions without the right to consider the issue ourselves. What is inappropriate is some goose videoing an incident at a private / mens function and airing it several years later. If the female in question is not offended then there is nothing to apologise for. The context and environment is all that needs to be considered. It wasn’t like he was at a night club (De Goey).
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Essendon legend Watson also said: “There’s no place in the world where that behaviour is acceptable. It’s never ever right, no matter what the circumstance, to grab someone on the breast.”
Factually incorrect
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Essendon legend Watson also said: “There’s no place in the world where that behaviour is acceptable. It’s never ever right, no matter what the circumstance, to grab someone on the breast.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-martin-scandal-is-afls-worst-nightmare-before-finals/news-story/cc22566b57915029622eeb3e3c0605c2
FMD so Whispy has never touched a women's breasts in his life..........even Naomi Robson's? I think not
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Gillon McLachlan was door stopped by the media just now:
* Respect for women is paramount. On face value it's a poor look.
* However, I have no information. Without any facts I can't comment and to do so would be unfair to all parties involved.
* It's with the AFL's integrity department. It is their intention to interview all those involved and then they will report back.
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Here's the vision of what Gil said.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/gillon-mclachlan-details-afls-next-step-in-dustin-martin-groping-scandal-after-video-emerged-overnight-c-8082977
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Garry Lyon is astounded by Dusty’s actions. It’s okay for him to grab a mates wife breast’s and then shag her, though it’s not okay for dusty to do it at a private strip club gatherings.
I’ve heard it al.
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Gillon McLachlan was door stopped by the media just now:
* Respect for women is paramount. On face value it's a poor look.
* However, I have no information. Without any facts I can't comment and to do so would be unfair to all parties involved.
* It's with the AFL's integrity department. It is their intention to interview all those involved and then they will report back.
7 years ago lol at a strip club. Look at the hypocrisy of this organisation yet Zorko was brushed a side on national TV and alot more people affected.
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Look, Gil has to rise above the noise and protect the real victim in all of this--the Toyota sales department. We simply can't tolerate damage to reputational assets
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Sam McClure on twitter:
Dustin Martin, who might be the greatest player ever, facing criticism for an incident that was 6 years ago at a private function because someone felt special spreading a video.
No wonder he’s sick of living in Melbourne.
https://twitter.com/sam_mcclure/status/1565169979187552256
I think this is the first time I’ve ever respected what Sam McClure has said. Although the is pushing the narrative for dusty to leave Richmond so I’m not surprised
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Chan 10 news tonight “Dustin Martin in trouble again” - think they are confusing him with De Goey
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So who posted the video in the place
It would interesting to know what the motive to do so was after 7 year
Something smells
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Leading news story on both Seven and Nine news tonight.
The Richmond Football Club is caught in controversy as it heads into tonight's must-win final, with superstar Dustin Martin facing an investigation over a leaked groping video from seven years ago.
7news report: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1565249685027274752
A groping scandal is overshadowing Richmond's preparation for its elimination final with Brisbane.
A video of star Tiger Dustin Martin with a topless woman has emerged ahead of tonight's do-or-die blockbuster.
9news report: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1565250076569640960
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Richmond Football Club statement:
The Club has become aware of a video from 2015 that is circulating online involving Dustin Martin.
The AFL has been informed and we are working cooperatively to understand the circumstances.
Source: Nine news (https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1565250076569640960).
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Typical Australian media how could that be lead story on tv and papers 7 years ago lol nothing else to report on media is utter garbage in Oz.
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The king is back. Started well.
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The king is back. Started well.
Really?
Got hand fed one and hasn’t done much else
Hope he lifts and think he will
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Had a couple of lin point passes. Can't expect him to have 30 and 4. He's played 6 games in 18 months.
He really was 80% tho, which is an absolute disgrace by our conditioning staff.
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Wasn't great. Probably a liability.
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Pretty sure the conditioning staff said Dusty was overly cautious and wouldn’t push it. Pretty pee poor on Dusty’s behalf if that’s the case and almost makes me think he wants out. He should have been ready weeks ago.
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If he wants out I hope he just retires. A Richmond immortal and one of the best players to grace the game. Retire a Richmond man and go hide under a rock
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He won't go to another team.
Post 2020 form has been fairly average. 3 injuries in 2 seasons. Questions around his desire
Enormous back ended contract. I can't see anyone paying for that. Would be ridiculous for us to pay for some of his contract to go elsewhere.
He will be here or retire.
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He was crap and shouldn't have played.
Graham should have played and locked down Neale.
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Sorry some absolutely ridiculous comments on here. Had 17 touches and kicked a goal. Played vast majority forward. Had a bigger game than Bolton.
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Pretty sure the conditioning staff said Dusty was overly cautious and wouldn’t push it. Pretty pee poor on Dusty’s behalf if that’s the case and almost makes me think he wants out. He should have been ready weeks ago.
He redid the hammy against the Weagles. Automatic month to six weeks on the sidelines. Blame our conditioning.
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Pretty sure the conditioning staff said Dusty was overly cautious and wouldn’t push it. Pretty pee poor on Dusty’s behalf if that’s the case and almost makes me think he wants out. He should have been ready weeks ago.
He redid the hammy against the Weagles. Automatic month to six weeks on the sidelines. Blame our conditioning.
Agree. Our conditioning staff dropped the ball this season.
We clearly aren’t fit enough to apply the consistent pressure that made us so dominant and successful.
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Tom Browne asked Dimma about Dusty's future.
Dimma said Dusty has got two years left to run on his contract. Speculation belongs on your (media) side of the table. He isn't going anywhere. He handles what he can control. Dimma said he can't comment as much as he would like given there's an investigation.
Tom Browne also said Ralph Carr told him before the game that Dusty was in a good frame of mind.
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Sorry Dimma, you look silly having a crack at media for Dusty trade speculation. It's been rife since you said you'd give him your blessing if he wanted to leave.
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If Dusty leaves who will be testing the ripeness of all the avocados and melons we get at the club.
Apparently there’s no one better. :rollin
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‘He’s not going anywhere’: Coach backs Dusty to stay amid growing trade whispers
Greg Davis
Foxsports
September 2nd, 2022
Richmond hasn’t seen the last of Dustin Martin, with senior coach Damien Hardwick adamant the three-time Norm Smith Medallist will be a Tiger in 2023 and beyond.
Martin had 15 disposals, eight contested possessions, one goal and three inside 50s in the thrilling two-point elimination final loss to Brisbane, after eight weeks on the sidelines with a hamstring injury.
The triple Norm Smith medallist went into the sudden-death final at 80 per cent fitness and his role was compromised when Dion Prestia left the field with a hamstring injury just before halftime that forced Martin into the midfield for more minutes than planned.
Hardwick said Martin’s performance was “as expected” and was emphatic that the triple premiership star would remain at Punt Road.
“He’s got two years of his contract to run so as far as I’m concerned all the speculation comes from the people sitting over that side of the table (media),” he said.
“It’s pretty simple to me – if you guys keep talking about it, it creates speculation,“ he said.
“The reality is I’m telling you that he’s got two more years of his contract. He’s not going anywhere.”
There have been claims Martin wanted to explore a move to Sydney to continue his AFL career, with the Swans reportedly in the mix.
“We know he’s on $1.3 million for the next two seasons, he’s been umming and ahhing, he’s been telling people that he doesn’t love football anymore, maybe he needs a change of location, a change of geography,” journalist Sam McClure said on Channel Nine’s Footy Classified this week.
Hardwick said Martin handled the furore swirling around him over a controversial video leaked 24 hours before the final as best he could.
“We worry about the welfare of our players. But he manages to control that and gets on with it,” he said.
“It’s something I can’t really comment on as there’s an investigation going on, but we’ll work our way through that over the next week.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/hes-not-going-anywhere-coach-backs-dusty-to-stay-amid-growing-trade-whispers/news-story/32c1eaa8291319c9823ad696975e422e
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I'm on my flight home
Ralph Carr is sitting 4 rows in front of me.
Should I tap him on the shoulder and asking what's going on with Dusty in 2023?
While the plane was boarding he was telling the bloke sitting behind him where we lost the game ::)
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I'm on my flight home
Ralph Carr is sitting 4 rows in front of me.
Should I tap him on the shoulder and asking what's going on with Dusty in 2023?
While the plane was boarding he was telling the bloke sitting behind him where we lost the game ::)
Did he say because my client on $1.2mil a year can't be arsed playing the game anymore?
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I think the kidney injury, followed by his dad's death have really rattled him. Remember he did spend quite a while in hospital and lost 10-15kg. Then the hammy. He hasn't played for quite a while so of course he was going to be rusty. And who knows if the latest saga had any affect on him?
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Julz I see your comment mentioned a few times, so my counter argument to that is what was he like post round 3 last year?
Those incidents hasn’t helped, but I feel he has been on the decline since early last year.
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Julz I see your comment mentioned a few times, so my counter argument to that is what was he like post round 3 last year?
Those incidents hasn’t helped, but I feel he has been on the decline since early last year.
TBH I don't really remember that far back. But I saw Robbo crunch him at Metricon right in front of me and it looked nasty and since then he has looked a little hesitant which you can't blame him. I don't think the constant media scrutiny helps either. Would do anyone's head in.
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“WAY UNDERDONE”: DID RICHMOND MAKE A SELECTION MISTAKE?
By Alex Zaia
SEN
2 September 2022
Kane Cornes believes Richmond made a mistake selecting an “underdone” Dustin Martin in Thursday night’s Elimination Final loss to Brisbane.
The Tigers superstar was passed fit to play having not appeared since Round 16 due to a hamstring injury.
Martin finished with 15 disposals and a goal as Richmond went down by two points in a high-scoring thriller at the Gabba.
Cornes says Martin’s inclusion should be a warning to other coaches who are contemplating rolling the dice on players who aren’t 100 per cent fit.
“A mistake clearly to play Dustin Martin I thought,” Cornes told SEN Breakfast.
“Your ears pricked up before the game when Damien Hardwick says he’s only going to be 80 per cent fit.
“He was a bit of a liability last night, Dustin Martin, they didn’t want to get him on the ground in the vital moments. Just three touches (in the last quarter), all of those in the defensive half and for the last half of the last quarter they didn’t want to get him on the ground.
“So a warning to other coaches, injured players – regardless of how good they are and regardless of their reputation – doesn’t often work in finals, I don’t think.”
SEN Breakfast co-host David King disagrees: “I hold a contrary view, but that’s okay.”
“Just the fact that he’s out there, he takes a match-up and you get the domino effect, you get lesser-ranked players against other talent in that Richmond forward line, and you’d have to say the Richmond forward line functioned, they’ve finished with 16.8, so I don’t agree with that opinion.
“I understand you’re hot on the decision to play him, but why wouldn’t you play him? What he’s done in finals, we haven’t seen a player like this in finals before.
“So when he’s declared fit to play, what, you don’t play him?”
Cornes continued: “If he’s 80 per cent and they couldn’t get him on or didn’t want him on in the last 10 minutes of the game, you lose (Dion) Prestia which means (Shane) Edwards comes on, so you lose the structure and rotation a little bit there.
“I just thought he was way underdone. Hadn’t played since Round 16.
“To what level undone? He looked way underdone.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/01/way-underdone-did-richmond-make-a-selection-mistake/
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I agree.
Even if both he and Graham were 80% injury recovered at least Graham would be somewhat match fit. Dusty not so much.
I wonder if Graham could have gone to Neale.
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Dusty may have been 80% fit but he looked about 15% interested. Reckon he has checked out.
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Did we get more out of Dusty than we would have from Edwards? i think so.
If people were expecting him to dominate this game under the circumstances then all i can say is people really are delusional.
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According to Jon Ralph last night, Richmond and those close to Dusty have said that he wants to stay and is keen to play on at Richmond next year and the year after that.
He did admit to them that he has struggled for motivation this year given his father's death.
Now that he will have 3 months off and possibly will be allowed a break until January before coming back for preseason training will allow him to reset.
Gold Coast is interested if Dusty did want to leave.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/richmond/DustyWantsToStayAtRichmondIn2023-JonRalph02092022.png)
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Reckon he’s cooked
But can’t underestimate a champion
Hopefully he gets himself primed for a bounce back year
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We need our fitness guy from Sydney back. Burge has been a stuffen disaster this year. His injury management and rehab this year have been the worst in the history of the club.
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Even in the early days Dusty was average without a high level of fitness. Hopefully he comes back in the pre season as Brownlow Dusty
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Even in the early days Dusty was average without a high level of fitness. Hopefully he comes back in the pre season as Brownlow Dusty
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4. Dustin Martin
Strong game without being gobsmackingly good. Straight to goalsquare on Darcy Gardiner then rotated through centre bounce clearances. Got on the end of a lovely Tigers passage of play in the first term for his opening goal.
Foxsports rating: 6
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
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THE CONVERSATION HARDWICK “WILL HAVE TO HAVE” WITH MARTIN THIS OFF-SEASON
Ethan Clark
SEN
4 September 2022
Dustin Martin won’t be able to escape the spotlight with an interstate move, says former Adelaide coach Brenton Sanderson.
Speaking on SEN’s Crunch Time Sanderson explained why he thinks Martin is more likely to stay than go, with his career seemingly coming into its twilight years.
“Unfortunately, he can’t escape (the headlines), he has to embrace it. That’s the contract that you’re obligated to fulfil at the very best of your talents,” he said.
“That’s the conversation that he will have to have with Dimma (Damien) Hardwick this off-season. If you’re (at Richmond), you’re all in.”
The 269-game superstar managed just nine games in 2022 for the yellow and black and has been linked to moves to New South Wales and Queensland with Gold Coast shaping as a key suitor if they were to make a play.
Averaging just 18.3 disposals a game (the lowest in his career), could Martin be on the lookout for a fresh start elsewhere to rekindle his love for the game?
Sanderson doesn’t think so.
“I can't see him leaving Richmond, maybe that’s just a bit of romance about the greatness he’s brought to the footy club over the last six years,” he explained.
“We just have to sit and wait; it’s going to be interesting.”
The three-time premiership player has two years left to run on around $1 million per season at Punt Road.
The trade period runs from the 3rd to the 12th of October in 2022.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/09/03/the-conversation-hardwick-will-have-to-have-with-martin-this-off-season/
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So if we listen to Cornes when was a good time to play him?
Lynch kicks that goal and we go on to next weekend are we better off bringing Dusty in for his first game next week and being Rusty Dusty in that game, or would he have improved with having played against Brisbane?
We made the right call to play him
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Agree, so dumb ass Cornes would have us bring in who instead and they would have the ability to be better
Stupid attention seeker who works for a bloke who goes though peoples bins
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Cornes kept going on about this on the Sunday Footy Show.
"I don't think you risk players just because they're a big name, because in the end, Dustin Martin was a liability for Richmond"
@kanecornes on why clubs cannot take risks on bringing back players from injury for finals who aren't match-fit.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1566221461408591872
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But no mention of who would have been a better selection
Doesn’t know much about but a lot about sniping
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We had to roll the dice and name him. He was always going to be rusty. Get the rest out vs Brisbane as opposed to making a return against Melb.
And as already touched on no one else was a better option. You would never pick aarts or castagna over dusty.
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Fading icons: Dusty, Buddy no longer critical to clubs
Jake Niall
The Age
September 4, 2022
In 2022, Dustin Martin and Lance Franklin have dominated only in terms of occupying media and public interest. From a pure on-field vantage, Dusty and Buddy – the game’s greatest active icons – are no longer critical to team performance.
It’s quite legitimate to question whether Martin should have been selected by Damien Hardwick for the elimination final against the Lions. He hadn’t played for months and was always going to be compromised in what he could produce.
The circulation of a 2015 video of him appearing to place his hand on a topless woman’s breast at Richmond’s “Mad Monday” for players cannot have helped him on Thursday night, given his existing struggles with motivation and the grief from losing his father early this year.
Whatever the fallout from that footage it was an awful look for Dusty and Richmond and the timing of the video’s release/promotion on social media sewers seemed calculated to inflict harm.
Whoever peddled the footage didn’t seem to care about the collateral impact of identifying the woman concerned, either.
But the video of Dusty obscured slightly the stark reality of his position in the game and at Tigerland: He’s a superstar in the dusk of his career, who can’t perform as he did two or three years ago and would represent a major risk to another club, given the $1.2-$1.3 million per season he’s owed next year and in 2024, and the uncertainty about his desire to play.
Without Dusty, the Tigers wouldn’t have snared any of those three flags from 2017. He deserves every cent of that contract, irrespective of what he can and can’t do now.
The constant discussion of Martin and Franklin’s futures this year is a measure of their standing and unsurpassed media interest in a reclusive pair. There’s a time lag between their shrunken on-field capability and the level of attention they command. Younger superstars such as Marcus Bontempelli or Clayton Oliver don’t captivate the public/media imagination to the same extent.
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What we are seeing with Dusty and Buddy is nothing more than the life cycle of elite footballers and athletes; Franklin actually has already defied the odds by remaining so capable into his mid-30s and has, remarkably, justified that astonishing and highly risqué $10 million deal over nine years.
The reduced influence of decade-plus superstars and icons has been a theme of 2022. Geelong’s Patrick Dangerfield and Joel Selwood remain valuable, but have passed the point where the Cats should be sweating on their availability. Geelong’s success this year has been notable for an even spread and reduced reliance on anyone; they even managed to win sans Tom Stewart, and it’s possible they could cover Tom Hawkins (assuming Jeremy Cameron is there).
Ditto for the Swans, who upset Melbourne with little production from Isaac Heeney.
If you’re looking for symmetry, consider that when Hawthorn won the premiership in Franklin’s last season in their colours (2013), the Hawks had weaned themselves off him - redeploying him as a gigantic flanker in the finals in a multi-threat attack. It was clearly a risk management decision.
Should Sydney win the premiership this year, in what he might be Franklin’s veritable Swansong, history could well repeat in that he would be playing a humble role for the team, as distinct from carrying a forward line.
Richmond’s issues with Martin are more complicated, but Dusty’s contract should render him almost untradeable and one would imagine that Gold Coast, or anyone, wouldn’t consider it unless the Tigers were stumping up a decent share of that $2.5m or so over the two years. The Suns, in any case, need salary cap space for retention.
The union between Dusty and the Tigers should be preserved, in sickness and in health.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fading-icons-dusty-buddy-no-longer-critical-to-clubs-20220903-p5bf46.html
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This is getting embarrassing.
Nank punches through the ball at end and we are saying good to have him back and will be better for the run next week
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According to Tom Browne on 7news:
Go to 0:48 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1566715354277347328
* Dusty had his exit interview today and didn't comment when leaving the Club which is difficult.
* Martin hates publicity and obviously has been dealing with his dad's tragic death during the year and has been a bit disillusioned with football. And Matthew Lloyd believes the Tigers deserve a straight answer on his commitment.
Lloyd - "Unless you're 100% invested then think long and hard about what you want to do. Because I think as we see with any person in this AFL industry, if you're not all in, then you just don't prosper."
Here's Lloyd on the AFL website:
Time for Tigers to get tough with Dusty:
Watch here: https://www.afl.com.au/video/836944/time-for-tigers-to-get-tough-with-dusty-broken-dees
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Notice that the dusty video scandal hasn’t received 1 second of media coverage since our final.
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Jon Ralph on Fox Footy also mentioned Dusty had his exit meeting today but added also that Dusty is staying.
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Sam McClure still like a dog on a bone hoping Dusty leaves ::).
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Dustin Martin is staying at Richmond.
https://twitter.com/sam_mcclure/status/1567783685478584320
Finally, Sam McClure has had to face and admit reality :wallywink.
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How much did it hurt him to have to tweet that after going on tv and radio for the past 6 months to speculate otherwise.
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TIGERS GET NEWS ON DUSTY
Dustin Martin has reportedly confirmed to Richmond he will be at the club next year.
While the Tigers have been clear in the media he would be seeing out his two-year contract, a difficult year off the field had seen some question whether he could seek a move to Sydney, where he spends much of his time.
Speaking on 3AW’s Sportsday, Sam McClure claimed Martin had made up his mind.
“In the last few minutes, we can confirm Dustin Martin will be remaining at Punt Road next year. He’s told club officials he wants to be part of the club moving forward,” McClure said.
Martin is on an estimated $1.3 million salary next season.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2022-lloyd-meek-melbourne-west-coast-eagles-luke-jackson-fremantle-francis-evans-port-adelaide/news-story/9f846eb5f10ea2502ff8dff37c63ba43).
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said he expects Dusty to be cleared by the AFL over that 7-year-old video.
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And the winner for 'let's desperately put Dusty in a news story that has nothing to do at all with Dusty' goes to ...
OPINION: If Nick Kyrgios wants to overcome his mental demons and unlock the secret to success he should follow the lead of Dustin Martin.
https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/1567769733185032193
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Rumours of dusty to extend his contract ?
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Rumours of dusty to extend his contract ?
Is real :shh
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Rumours of dusty to extend his contract ?
Is real :shh
Smart by Dusty and the RFC if true.
Minimizes tax for him, allowing us to use the extra funds to target FA.
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Wow
Who would have thought Dusty invested in and committed to the RFC?
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Delighted he will finish up with us. What a man.
Celebrating with WP over noodles and chopsticks
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Delighted he will finish up with us. What a man.
Celebrating with WP over noodles and chopsticks
😡
It was pizza this evening thanks
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It still burns doesn't it :lol you came around eventually :thumbsup
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Sorry more detail what has happened with contract extension?
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It still burns doesn't it :lol you came around eventually :thumbsup
Sorry, what are you on about?
What "burns" exactly?
And be careful what you accuse me of
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It still burns doesn't it :lol you came around eventually :thumbsup
Sorry, what are you on about?
What "burns" exactly?
And be careful what you accuse me of
what did I accuse you of?
Calm down, you seem emotional. Just having a laugh at your previous views on Dustin is all :shh
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what did I accuse you of?
Calm down, you seem emotional. Just having a laugh at your previous views on Dustin is all :shh
Good to see you refused to answer my question which was...
What "burns" exactly?
And now you dish up "your previous views on Dusty"
What are those exactly?
Supporting him unconditionally when his Dad passed and he was grieving while others on here said he wasn't invested and we should get rid of him? Backing him in while others criticised his performances when he was dealing with something so difficult that most wouldn't understand unless you've gone through it yourself
Backed him to the hilt over the years during his contract renewals sagas?
Or being critical of him during the "chopsticks" saga not for incident itself but for being so drunk 2 weeks into pre-seaon training and saying that he got off lightly punishment wise for that?
So, yeah I get peeved when people "accuse" me of not supporting him during "chopsticks" when my single biggest issue was him being drunk, so drunk he struggled to stand up. These same people never mention the fact I paid out on the women who made the accusations, how she went to the media not the cops etc. Never once did I say he should be sacked.
So in your world if that makes me emotional and at the same time it gives you a laugh then I'll wear that
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I will certainly back you in on being a big supporter of him ever since chopsticks gate. Just having a laugh WP :thumbsup
A lot of people get carried away with Dusty. Probably our best ever player and a unique individual. I think we should all just let him live and play footy
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I will certainly back you in on being a big supporter of him ever since chopsticks gate. Just having a laugh WP :thumbsup
A lot of people get carried away with Dusty. Probably our best ever player and a unique individual. I think we should all just let him live and play footy
Have been a supporter of his his entire career. Best player I've seen in my lifetime. He's taken over from Maurice Snr.
But supporting doesn't mean he is immune from criticism. And he deserved (IMHO) to be criticised for being smashed as he was the night of "chopsticks gate". It was just stupid
On your last point agree 100%
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WP you were 100% wrong then, and you would be best to admit it.
We all make stupid comments, and if the truth be told that wasn’t your best period by going early without knowing the facts.
Dusty is a champion. Then and now.
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WP you were 100% wrong then, and you would be best to admit it.
We all make stupid comments, and if the truth be told that wasn’t your best period by going early without knowing the facts.
Dusty is a champion. Then and now.
Some incredible irony in your comments
But I'll bite
100% wrong about what?
Was he or was he not drunk the night of chopstick gate?
So drunk that he even admitted he couldn't remember alot of the night?
Did it happen 2 weeks after the start of pre-season?
These were facts, so exactly how was that "going early"?
That is what I was critical of and IMO he should have been punished for that and it should have been a harsh one
Did I or did I not question why the woman went to the media rather the police is she was so aggrieved by what happened? Yes I did.
Did I like alot on here give an opinion on if what the woman claimed was proven to have happened? Yes I did but interestingly I have copped it time and time again for mine by you and others. But your silence in clipping posters who had similar opinions or were even more critical than me has been well defeaning.
Finally,
Did I ever, have I ever called for him to be sacked? Answer NO.
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WP you were 100% wrong then, and you would be best to admit it.
We all make stupid comments, and if the truth be told that wasn’t your best period by going early without knowing the facts.
Dusty is a champion. Then and now.
FJ, dog with a bone, ancient history, build a bridge and get over it.
Ancient history
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WP you were 100% wrong then, and you would be best to admit it.
We all make stupid comments, and if the truth be told that wasn’t your best period by going early without knowing the facts.
Dusty is a champion. Then and now.
Some incredible irony in your comments
But I'll bite
100% wrong about what?
Was he or was he not drunk the night of chopstick gate?
So drunk that he even admitted he couldn't remember alot of the night?
Did it happen 2 weeks after the start of pre-season?
These were facts, so exactly how was that "going early"?
That is what I was critical of and IMO he should have been punished for that and it should have been a harsh one
Did I or did I not question why the woman went to the media rather the police is she was so aggrieved by what happened? Yes I did.
Did I like alot on here give an opinion on if what the woman claimed was proven to have happened? Yes I did but interestingly I have copped it time and time again for mine by you and others. But your silence in clipping posters who had similar opinions or were even more critical than me has been well defeaning.
Finally,
Did I ever, have I ever called for him to be sacked? Answer NO.
You were wrong end of story. I wont be going back on all your comments directed at him.
As far as i can remember you didnt ask for his sacking. Your comments were not great nonetheless.
That lady was an an imbecile, and so what if he was drunk. For all we know she was probably trying to get into his pants, and he denied her sexual advances.
Just because he couldn't remember doesn't mean he did anything untoward. Who cares and bottom line IMO he was out having fun and the apology was forced.
I suspect Dustys hatred of the media started here.
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Why are we talking about something that happened 7 years ago?
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Why are we talking about something that happened 7 years ago?
They just like stirring WP.
Gonna be a long off season if this is the best chatter they can make.
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IIRC KB called for Dusty to be sacked at that time…..
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IIRC KB called for Dusty to be sacked at that time…..
Correct
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John Setka’s estranged wife Emma Walters says she is “shocked” by the arrival of a video of Dustin Martin sending a hello message to her children amid a custody battle. See the video.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/south-australia/john-setkas-split-from-wife-emma-walters-in-new-twist-as-dustin-martin-sends-message-to-their-kids/news-story/c73d7e05bc791db9868b7767cace9a7c
Dusty used again by media for more clickbait ::).
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Garbage.
First reported by the age though who apparently can do no wrong :shh :shh
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No wonder dusty is antisocial and doesn’t give anything to the media. Guy can’t even make a 9 second video shouting out 2 kid tiger supporters without the media making a story out of it.
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And on Footy Classified Sam McClure again saying Dusty will be centre at trade time
Still going on that Dusty isn't in love with footy anymore and has become more gettable in the last month
Is Sam McClure still claiming Dusty will end up at Sydney in the trade period? :snidegrin
Dusty was so "not in love with footy anymore" he convinced Hopper to come to Punt Rd and play alongside him :wallywink.
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Loves Sydney apparently and wants to get out of the limelight
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Garbage.
First reported by the age though who apparently can do no wrong :shh :shh
No the age has gone to pot since it was bought out by nine, hence the click bait
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They are all rags.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/what-the-afl-stars-have-been-up-to-this-offseason/news-story/4fcaededb8cd9372fd3cd1fabc053429
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Watch here:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/MorganYougovAFLPolls/YouGovPoll2022DustyNo1p1.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1586265417911107584)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1586265417911107584
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Looking forward to Dusty in 2023. This year for obvious reasons would've been hell for him. Touchwood, with a full preseason under his belt and hopefully for his sake with his head in a better space (grief is different for everyone), he reminds the competition next year and especially those who think he is past his best what a champion he is.
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I wonder why people love him so much ? Coz he doesn’t buy in to the media rubbish. Comes across as very relatable
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Dusty’s Era. | #afl #fyp #footy #dustinmartin #foryoupage
Watch here: https://www.tiktok.com/@footy.mp4/video/7156460741829184769
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Ready to relaunch: The players set to change their club’s AFL fortunes in 2023
David Zita
Fox Sports
November 3rd, 2022 1:15 pm
Even if they played in 2022, some players may well be primed to take their game to a new level in 2023, or at the very least return to the levels of old that saw them thrive.
Big-name recruits could be buoyed by a fresh start at a new home, while elsewhere young talent could be set to launch into the AFL spotlight with the benefit of another pre-season.
Foxfooty.com.au set out to determine the player at every club who has the capacity to prove the biggest point of difference from this year to the 2023 season.
RICHMOND
Dustin Martin
We’ve only seen glimpses of the Dustin Martin of old since that lacerated kidney late in 2021 and understandably so given the personal turmoil he has gone through off-field with the passing of his father. Performing to his best in the final two years of his current deal will only strengthen Richmond’s premiership credentials. Martin has nothing left to prove and is one of the greatest players of the modern era, but the fact also remains he has not been at his best in the last year when it comes to on-field output and a return to somewhere near said best would be enormous for the Tigers.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2022-players-set-to-relaunch-career-trades-moves-to-new-clubs-2023-season-preview-predictions-analysis/news-story/7c4311f4829530cf310ba27aa834b555
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He’ll be like a new recruit!
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He’ll be like a new recruit!
Or flop and have another 'nothing' season
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Dustin Martin: Managed a career-low nine games last season, but the Tigers maintain the slumping superstar can still be a major threat. The three-time Norm Smith medallist needs to show over summer that he is fully invested and wants to be a part of the Tigers’ next premiership push. But does he?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/from-buddy-and-dusty-to-gillon-and-the-return-of-ross-it-s-a-big-summer-ahead-20221031-p5bugg.html
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Dustin Martin: Managed a career-low nine games last season, but the Tigers maintain the slumping superstar can still be a major threat. The three-time Norm Smith medallist needs to show over summer that he is fully invested and wants to be a part of the Tigers’ next premiership push. But does he?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/from-buddy-and-dusty-to-gillon-and-the-return-of-ross-it-s-a-big-summer-ahead-20221031-p5bugg.html
That's not Manure going that line again is it?
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Dustin Martin: Managed a career-low nine games last season, but the Tigers maintain the slumping superstar can still be a major threat. The three-time Norm Smith medallist needs to show over summer that he is fully invested and wants to be a part of the Tigers’ next premiership push. But does he?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/from-buddy-and-dusty-to-gillon-and-the-return-of-ross-it-s-a-big-summer-ahead-20221031-p5bugg.html
That's not Manure going that line again is it?
Nah, it's Jon Pierik. But these days once one clown in the media makes things up that are clickbait then the rest just regurgitate it :thumbsdown.
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Another big news day :facepalm.
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A property “revolution” led by Richmond champ Dustin Martin and manager Ralph Carr is revamping tired inner city properties, with tenants ‘lining up’ to lease them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg_4Oj8aYAAbG_Q?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/theheraldsun/status/1589762129284173824
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Another big news day :facepalm.
Dear me it's going to be a long summer
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"A refreshed Dustin Martin ready for a December preseason" - 7news.
Go to 0:55 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1589888054982234113
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AFL reaches verdict on Dusty top-less video
The AFL has completed its investigation into a leaked Mad Monday video showing Dustin Martin with a top-less woman. Here are the results.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-wont-punish-dustin-martin-over-mad-monday-video/news-story/0c61534e1d5c058c7a8d83e2e72e17cc
If someone with access could kindly post the full article, it would be much appreciated :).
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From Foxsports
AFL completes investigation into leaked Dustin Martin video as Tigers superstar learns fate
Fox Footy from Fox Sports
November 14th, 2022 9:03 pm
The AFL will take no further action after video leaked of Richmond star Dustin Martin groping a topless woman’s breast during Mad Monday celebrations seven years ago.
The AFL’s integrity department had investigated the 2015 footage, which was deliberately leaked in the lead up to the Tigers’ elimination final showdown with Brisbane last September.
In the dated vision, the three-time Norm Smith Medallist can be seen reaching around the woman, who had her back to him, and touching her breast as she sat on a man’s lap.
The woman involved did not make a complaint about Martin’s conduct.
Two months after the vision emerged online, the Herald Sun has confirmed Martin avoided sanction given the absence of a complaint from the woman involved.
The Herald Sun report says the AFL spoke to Martin about the 2015 incident, and determined no further action would be taken.
The event where the incident took place was not sanctioned by the club, but the Herald Sun reports the Tigers have spoken to Martin and “will continue to work with their star directly to ensure such an incident does not occur again”.
At the time the video leaked, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan said Martin’s actions were “not a good look”.
“What I’d say at the outset is that respect for women is paramount generally. As a statement it’s clear across the AFL and unambiguous,” McLachlan told Seven News.
“(At) first pass the video, it’s a poor look, but I don’t have any further information, I only found out late last night. I don’t have any further information this morning about Dustin’s relationship to the woman, her views, the circumstances, the facts, and so without any information it’s hard for me to comment any further.”
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick described the video as “a little bit of a distraction” in the lead up to the final against Brisbane - which the Tigers lost by just two points in dramatic scenes.
Martin did make his return from injury in that elimination final, after a six week absence, but struggled to have his usual influence from just 15 disposals.
Martin wasn’t the only player to come under scrutiny this year for his actions towards women, with Collingwood star Jordan De Goey slapped with a $25,000 suspended fine for his Bali antics that emerged on social media.
De Goey was filmed engaging in “disrespectful” behaviour with a woman at a Bali nightclub during the Mid-Season bye.
But he avoided any suspension for his actions.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2022-dustin-martin-leaked-video-groping-woman-punishment-investigation-complete-what-happened-latest/news-story/830e3391e1aeb8c813fcdec15879a9a7
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Can we all try to ignore responding to the absolute garbage?
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Can we all try to ignore responding to the absolute garbage?
Hard to when it's plastered over the back page of the HeraldSun #slownewsday :thumbsdown. Just a further reason for why Dusty has and wants nothing to do with the pathetic media.
How does this article make FULL back page on an issue 7,yes 7 years OLD? Let the guy just play footy.
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https://twitter.com/watotiger/status/1592260275159576578
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and the media wonder why Dusty won't speak to them
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Pathetic a nothing story media got no balls to turn the heat on afl house and its corruption and blanket it likes to cover on stories.
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Heard from 2 different sources today that Dusty’s been hanging around the GC/Tweed Coast of late
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He’s probably tired of the heresay of “HES GOING TO JOIN BUDDY” when in Sydney so going to GC would hopefully mean less poo stirring from the media
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Dustin Martin has been seen running laps at Punt Road, with the Tigers hoping the star midfielder can reclaim his place at the top of the league’s pecking order.
Martin managed only nine games through injury and a leave of absence to deal with the death of his father. He averaged less than 19 touches per game.
He returned for the elimination final, having not played since round 16, but the decision to select him was criticised after coach Damien Hardwick declared before the game that the triple Norm Smith medallist was only “80 per cent fit”. He had only 15 possessions and a goal in the two-point loss to the Lions.
Source: The Age (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-greats-back-nankivell-presidency-bid-tigers-co-captain-on-track-20221119-p5bzl8.html)
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Beware of the Tiger King: Richmond expecting Dusty response
The Tigers are hoping to see Dustin Martin bounce back to his best in 2023
By AAP
5 December 2022
RICHMOND boss Brendon Gale expects to see superstar Dustin Martin back at his brilliant best next year as the Tigers seek to atone for an "uncharacteristic" campaign.
Martin managed just nine games last season as an inconsistent Richmond clawed its way into the finals, only to be eliminated in week one.
The Tigers have loaded up again for 2023, with the acquisition of boom recruits Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper laying bare their premiership ambition.
And a fit-again Martin is crucial to the plan.
The 31-year-old joined his teammates for pre-season training at Punt Road on Monday, eager to build a strong platform over summer.
"He's an impeccably well prepared athlete," Richmond CEO Gale said.
"A lot of people probably wouldn't get that impression, but he is. He's really finely tuned and he's really, really proud.
"He's played at a very, very high level for a long time and that's not going to continue forever, but he's still got a very, very important role to play at our football club.
"He's well supported and we expect him to respond this year."
Martin has been through a turbulent 18 months on and off the field.
His father Shane died last December and the superstar went through a lengthy rehabilitation from a lacerated kidney, which ended his 2021 season early.
Martin spent six weeks' personal leave away from Richmond early last season and missed another seven games while sidelined by hamstring injuries at the end of the home and away campaign.
Post-season speculation the Tigers' talisman would leave the club with two years left on his contract was ultimately put to bed.
"He had a really tough year, coming back from a fairly significant injury to start with, and the tragic loss of his father," Gale said.
"He's been training pretty hard, he's been away up north, and he's been doing a fair bit of boxing away from the club.
"He's a proud athlete and he's a proud man and he'll look forward to getting back in the swing of things, that's for sure."
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Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt at Richmond training on December 5, 2022. Picture: AFL Photos
https://www.afl.com.au/news/870827/beware-of-the-tiger-king-richmond-expecting-dusty-response
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Looks to have added back some of the muscle he lost after his kidney injury.
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Can someone ask Sam McClure if Dusty is still going to Sydney :snidegrin.
Seriously though, it's great seeing Dusty happy and with a smile on his face :).
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Seriously though, it's great seeing Dusty happy and with a smile on his face :).
Was asking Jack about his summer tan and bulging biceps
Jack looks very impressed
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‘Funny and thoughtful’: The Dusty I know
Outgoing Richmond president Peggy O’Neal got to know Dustin Martin in ways not many people have, and says he has a secret, nature-loving side.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/vweekend/he-only-shows-you-little-slices-of-him-he-loves-walking-in-the-countryside/news-story/b3dd6a5dd5cf38ad84265121c4d50d7f
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Certain individuals in the media have certainly gone very quiet since Dusty has returned to full preseason training looking happy in himself and physically in good nick. Their ignorance of the grieving process over the past 12 months and how long it takes to deal with on top of coming back from serious injury/surgery was truly pathetic.
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Certain individuals in the media have certainly gone very quiet since Dusty has returned to full preseason training looking happy in himself and physically in good nick. Their ignorance of the grieving process over the past 12 months and how long it takes to deal with on top of coming back from serious injury/surgery was truly pathetic.
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The thing about this i simply don't get is the main perpetrator has a pinned tweet which talks about him going through the same thing Dusty did over the past yr. It actually makes it much worse than it already is.
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Certain individuals in the media have certainly gone very quiet since Dusty has returned to full preseason training looking happy in himself and physically in good nick. Their ignorance of the grieving process over the past 12 months and how long it takes to deal with on top of coming back from serious injury/surgery was truly pathetic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkBApBjakAEJFQU?format=jpg&name=large)
The thing about this i simply don't get is the main perpetrator has a pinned tweet which talks about him going through the same thing Dusty did over the past yr. It actually makes it much worse than it already is.
Saw that. Narcissistic behaviour to only see your own pain while showing no empathy whatsoever towards others going through similar pain (especially that's more recent for that person and still raw). Seems producing attention-seeking click-bait is more important for some in the media than doing the right thing and leaving another person alone be to grieve.
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Certain individuals in the media have certainly gone very quiet since Dusty has returned to full preseason training looking happy in himself and physically in good nick. Their ignorance of the grieving process over the past 12 months and how long it takes to deal with on top of coming back from serious injury/surgery was truly pathetic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkBApBjakAEJFQU?format=jpg&name=large)
The thing about this i simply don't get is the main perpetrator has a pinned tweet which talks about him going through the same thing Dusty did over the past yr. It actually makes it much worse than it already is.
Saw that. Narcissistic behaviour to only see your own pain while showing no empathy whatsoever towards others going through similar pain (especially that's more recent for that person and still raw). Seems producing attention-seeking click-bait is more important for some in the media than doing the right thing and leaving another person alone be to grieve.
100% I should add, i tweeted the * asking why he didn't show some kind of sympathy etc, he ignored it & continued on with it.
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Who are we talking about?
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Who are we talking about?
Was wondering the same thing.
I'm on Twitter and I have no idea :rollin
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Sam McClure twitter account has a pinned tweet about his dad's deaths anniversary and how much he misses him.
Genuine grub.
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Blokes misses his dead father and that makes him a grub?
I don't like Sam McClure. Bit of a know it all and he obviously got it wrong regarding Dusty...I don't recall him taking shots at anyone over the whole thing though. Just got it wrong.
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Sam McClure twitter account has a pinned tweet about his dad's deaths anniversary and how much he misses him.
Genuine grub.
Thanks
I don't follow him anymore
But just checked it out
Blokes misses his dead father and that makes him a grub?
I don't like Sam McClure. Bit of a know it all and he obviously got it wrong regarding Dusty...I don't recall him taking shots at anyone over the whole thing though. Just got it wrong.
Yep he got it wrong but he rarely if ever admits when he gets things wrong. Certainly didn't in this case
Have no issue with him missing his Dad and having a pinned tweet about it, I get it big time. Even after losing my Dad 48 years ago I miss him every day, still wish more than anything that I could have one day just so we could go to the footy together. We never did that.
But in all his reporting, his nonsense weekly ramblings about Dusty supposedly leaving he never once showed any empathy around Dusty's grieving as he espouses over his own loss and how much he misses his own Dad. It makes Sam's commentary over Dusty quite disgusting to be honest
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To play out someone’s private mourning in public no matter who they are doesn’t sit well with me
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:whistle
Blokes misses his dead father and that makes him a grub?
I don't like Sam McClure. Bit of a know it all and he obviously got it wrong regarding Dusty...I don't recall him taking shots at anyone over the whole thing though. Just got it wrong.
No, him showing absolutely lack of care or empathy to Dusty during the 12 months grieving process for his own self gain and relevance make him an absolute grub. Even if it were true that he was leaving the non stop drama he created was a disgrace. From someone who would know exactly what it is like to experience what Dusty did. Was proven wrong and proven an absolute grub.
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Dustin Martin was also put through his paces in what looms as a vital pre-season for the decorated champion.
Speaking to RSN listeners on Wednesday, Richmond's senior advisor Neil Balme claimed that after time out across the past pair of seasons, Martin would benefit greatly from a solid foundation over summer.
"The coaches are very pleased with him. He's having a very good pre-season," Balme delineated.
"His attitude's been great. He's had a real crack ... He could have a very exciting year, I would think."
After only managing nine senior appearances in 2022 - the fewest across any of his 13 years as a Tiger - Martin appeared off the pace during Richmond's sole finals appearance.
And with a re-tooled roster desperate to head back to the dais on grand final day, Balme expressed that now was the time for the triple Norm Smith winner to get the ball rolling.
"You've just got to do the work," the seasoned operator admitted.
"It's such a challenging game. When you play, you've got to play for a couple of hours full-boar ... you've got to go again and again and again and again."
Source: zerohanger.com (https://www.zerohanger.com/foot-complaint-sidelines-star-tiger-tom-lynch-balme-states-areas-of-improvement-richmond-afl-131431/)
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Cornes' 2023 prediction:
* Predicts Dusty to be one of only a handful or two who will end up the best player in the AFL next year.
* "Not entirely sure if Dusty is motivated to play".
https://twitter.com/1629senSA/status/1607270904354181123
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It's great seeing Dusty happy at training :).
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Dustin Martin (Richmond)
Scott Cummings says: “I’m starting with Dusty Martin, I reckon he’s going to be back and big.
“He’s had a couple of years with injury, he’s still one of the best but not at the Dusty level we know and love … I think he’s in for a big year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/01/18/coleman-medallist-predicts-the-top-10-players-for-the-2023-afl-season/
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Almost forgotten by the media how good he was and almost written off.
Just like our kids will benefit from Taranto Hopper and a fit Prestia so will Dusty. He could be absolutely more lethal than ever hitting the fringes at pace. Hopefully Cotchin, Martin and Prestia stay fit so they and us as a club can reap the benefits of drafting the two GWS boys.
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Dusty fit and firing and forward
Peter Ryan
The Age
20 January 2023
Richmond champion Dustin Martin’s ‘don’t argue’ is firing as he prepares to launch into 2023 with a full pre-season under his belt.
During match simulation on Thursday he indicated he could spend more time in the forward line as he roamed the forward half of the ground, using his kicking skills to find targets inside 50.
With the Tigers landing Giants midfielders Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper during the trade period, Richmond will have greater flexibility in how they use Martin in the latter part of his career.
The three-time Norm Smith medallist played in last year’s elimination final despite being underdone as he returned from a hamstring injury he had suffered in round 16.
It came after he made a gradual return in 2022 following a serious kidney injury he suffered late in 2021. He spent most of the elimination final forward during the narrow loss to the Lions.
Premiership teammate Liam Baker said Dusty had impressed on the track so far this pre-season.
“Dustin is back, he is fit and he has got a full pre-season in, which is exciting for us,” Baker said. “He is fighting fit and pushing blokes around on the track, which we love to see.”
Baker said Martin had performed well in the club’s time-trials, which was a good sign that he was in top shape.
Martin turned 31 midway through last season, but he remains one of the game’s most dangerous and exciting players with his ability around goal likely to add a serious X-factor to Richmond’s forward line.
“Out on the track he is big and strong, and pushing people around, and we can’t wait to see it come game time,” Baker said.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/young-tiger-gun-to-have-surgery-on-hamstring-20230119-p5cdq9.html
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The king reminding the captain who runs the show
Watch here: https://twitter.com/ScootiePuffJnr/status/1616316707706109955
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Looks like his got his acceleration back. If he starts hitting his don’t argue’s then watch out.
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New player roles at every club
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
January 21st, 2023
RICHMOND
After a slight decrease in midfield minutes last year, it seems superstar Dustin Martin will spend even more time forward in 2023 following Richmond’s recent acquisitions of Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto. Martin, who’s played just nine of the Tigers’ past 28 games but impressed club officials in recent weeks with his first pre-season training block, pinch-hit on the ball last year as Shai Bolton and Jayden Short joined Dion Prestia and Trent Cotchin in the guts more often. Add the ex-Giants duo into that midfield mix and it’s likely Martin will spend even more time inside 50 this year. And that’s mightily exciting for Richmond fans.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-new-positions-and-roles-for-players-nick-daicos-midfield-luke-shuey-josh-bruce-defence-max-gawn-forward/news-story/d131a81d8955eae87287393444da7ec4
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Hardwick said superstar Dustin Martin was "training the house down" at Punt Road, as he heads into 2023 with a full pre-season under his belt.
"He had a terrific session this week, we played a quarter of match practice and he moved well, used the ball well, so we're very exited to see how he goes," Hardwick said.
"Once again, he has missed a lot of footy over the last 18 months so it will take a little bit of time to get back to full fitness.
"He's enjoying his footy and we look forward to enjoying him back on the field which I think most Richmond fans would certainly agree is going to make for an exciting Round 1 verse Carlton."
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1264707/hardwick-s-insightful-hiatus).
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Lol here we go
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"Dustin Martin caught up in crime spree"
That was the clickbait headline splashed on 7news tonight ::).
Reality:
Dusty lent his car to a mate. This mate then stupidly left the keys in the car at a service station while going inside the store to pay for the petrol. An opportunistic thief then pounced, stole the car and rammed a police vehicle 5 hours later.
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"Dustin Martin caught up in crime spree"
That was the clickbait headline splashed on 7news tonight ::).
Reality:
Dusty lent his car to a mate. This mate then stupidly left the keys in the car at a service station while going inside the store to pay for the petrol. An opportunistic thief then pounced, stole the car and rammed a police vehicle 5 hours later.
Here it is:
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1619954851458465798
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stuff off Cleary u campaigner
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Richmond superstar Dustin Martin caught up in wild Melbourne crime spree
Mitch Cleary
7news
30 January 2023
AFL superstar Dustin Martin is the victim of a wild alleged crime spree through Melbourne, 7NEWS can reveal.
The 31-year-old’s luxury car was stolen from a St Kilda service station as part of an alleged crime rampage last week.
Martin had lent his Range Rover to a friend - who went inside to pay for fuel, but left the keys in the car.
A 29-year-old man from Springvale allegedly pounced and stole Martin’s car, which was spotted by police about five hours later.
When officers attempted to intervene, the driver allegedly rammed an unmarked police car and another vehicle.
The driver fled but was caught. He and a female accomplice have now both been charged.
Police will also allege drugs were found in the car and have charged the alleged thief in relation to those drugs.
Martin kept Richmond informed throughout the process - and he’s joined teammates in Apollo Bay for the club’s pre-season training camp, 7NEWS understands.
It’s not the first time the Brownlow medallist and his car have been in the news.
He famously left his car parked at the MCG for two months following Richmond’s victory over Greater Western Sydney in the grand final.
Martin was plagued by hamstring issues in 2022, but hasn’t missed a beat this pre-season.
“We’re rapt that he’s been able to do all the training this pre-season,” assistant coach Andrew McQualter said last week.
“He hasn’t really missed a session at all, so hopefully it’s a really exciting year ahead for him.”
The three-time Norm Smith medallist will be pivotal to the Tigers’ chances as they look to cash in on a golden era where they have won three premierships since 2017.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-superstar-dustin-martin-caught-up-in-wild-melbourne-crime-spree-c-9600759
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Shameless
I will always remember now that I never need to take Mitch Cleary seriously ever again. Whenever I see him I will turn the page or change the channel.
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Dustin Martin
Richmond champion
Networks don’t fork out billions of dollars to televise B-graders – they are attracted to marquee names and there’s none bigger than Dustin Martin (and Buddy in NSW). So what a shame Dusty treats the media with such disdain. But it’s a special blend when the most marketable player in the game can draw kids to his ‘don’t argue’ fend-off and grown men to adopt his haircuts.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-power-list-the-40-most-influential-figures-in-footy-ranked/news-story/65ab9eff3d1492bd8832f336094d6dba
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Dusty has every right to treat the media with disdain.
How would the same author describe the media's treatment of Dusty?
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Richmond superstar Dustin Martin caught up in wild Melbourne crime spree
Mitch Cleary
7news
30 January 2023
AFL superstar Dustin Martin is the victim of a wild alleged crime spree through Melbourne, 7NEWS can reveal.
The 31-year-old’s luxury car was stolen from a St Kilda service station as part of an alleged crime rampage last week.
Martin had lent his Range Rover to a friend - who went inside to pay for fuel, but left the keys in the car.
A 29-year-old man from Springvale allegedly pounced and stole Martin’s car, which was spotted by police about five hours later.
When officers attempted to intervene, the driver allegedly rammed an unmarked police car and another vehicle.
The driver fled but was caught. He and a female accomplice have now both been charged.
Police will also allege drugs were found in the car and have charged the alleged thief in relation to those drugs.
Martin kept Richmond informed throughout the process - and he’s joined teammates in Apollo Bay for the club’s pre-season training camp, 7NEWS understands.
It’s not the first time the Brownlow medallist and his car have been in the news.
He famously left his car parked at the MCG for two months following Richmond’s victory over Greater Western Sydney in the grand final.
Martin was plagued by hamstring issues in 2022, but hasn’t missed a beat this pre-season.
“We’re rapt that he’s been able to do all the training this pre-season,” assistant coach Andrew McQualter said last week.
“He hasn’t really missed a session at all, so hopefully it’s a really exciting year ahead for him.”
The three-time Norm Smith medallist will be pivotal to the Tigers’ chances as they look to cash in on a golden era where they have won three premierships since 2017.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-superstar-dustin-martin-caught-up-in-wild-melbourne-crime-spree-c-9600759
I wouldn't pee on Mitch if he was on fire. idiot
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Dusty has every right to treat the media with disdain.
How would the same author describe the media's treatment of Dusty?
The way Dusty was treated by certain types in the media (hello McClure amongst others) when he was clearly grieving was disgraceful. I don't blame him for not wanting to have anything to do with them. Respect is a two-way street and the media have shown him none.
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Dusty has every right to treat the media with disdain.
How would the same author describe the media's treatment of Dusty?
The way Dusty was treated by certain types in the media (hello McClure amongst others) when he was clearly grieving was disgraceful. I don't blame him for not wanting to have anything to do with them. Respect is a two-way street and the media have shown him none.
Yep at least he's showing conviction by continuing to ignore them
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Hunger Games: Robbo delves into the mindset of Dusty Martin
Dustin Martin has been a phenomenal player, probably ahead of Chris Judd, Gary Ablett and Lance Franklin as the best this century. He’s definitely fit, but mentally what is left in the tank?
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/mark-robinson-does-the-hungry-still-remain-to-carry-dustin-martin-to-heights-only-he-can-reach/news-story/50e63128eccf37126b5c208901c6b191
If anyone can post the full article, it'll be much appreciated :).
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Found this on facebook - looks like the article you mentioned @one-eyed
Does the hungry still remain to carry Dustin Martin to heights only he can reach?
Dustin Martin has been a phenomenal player, probably ahead of Chris Judd, Gary Ablett and Lance Franklin as the best this century. He’s definitely fit, but mentally, what is left in the tank?
Mark Robinson
February 18, 2023
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
Footy is about hope, belief and hunger.
A month from round 1, the fans are salivating, the coaches are chomping and the players, the most crucial of all participants, have just about built their platforms which will harness the confidence in their bodies and minds.
How can you judge hunger for the season ahead? Individually and collectively?
The youth might not have the tools just yet, but they are determined to make round 1.
Brisbane’s No. 1 draft pick Will Ashcroft is 18-years-old. The Lions have played three intra-club matches and he has been best on ground in all three games. His hunger is insatiable.
What of the champs? Geelong starts the season as notionally the best team in it — although AFL great Malcolm Blight leans towards the Lions by a “bee’s whisker’’ — and it remains to be seen if the mountain the Cats climbed last year will be as appealing this season.
It’s difficult to back up. The Bulldogs in ’16, West Coast in ’18 and Melbourne in ’21, fell apart in their quest for consecutive premierships.
Unquestionably, Geelong’s campaign in ’23 will be more arduous than last year. That’s the law of the jungle.
Where’s Melbourne? And the Tigers? Will Collingwood thrive on belief again? Sydney on the rebound? And what does Carlton have to offer? And the restocked Lions have no excuses after a boom recruiting off-season. Time will tell.
Of all the players in the competition, the most intriguing is Dustin Martin.
He is physically fit, but that’s not the query. How mentally fit is he? At 31, turning 32 in June, do the hunger games still arouse him.
Martin’s been a phenomenal player, probably ahead of Chris Judd, Gary Ablett and Lance Franklin as the best this century. Clearly, he’s the best finals player and isn’t that what it’s about?
It is a sporting and social justice expedition into the Boston Celtics centre, otherwise known as a demi-God at the Garden.
Russell’s main individual opponent through the 1960s was Wilt Chamberlain. Russell won 11 NBA titles and Chamberlain only two.
A Bleacher Report article written just 10 days ago said: “Wilt was the better player in the regular season, whereas Russell flourished in the playoffs.
“Wilt was non-existent in clutch or key situations, whereas Russell thrived in the intense situations.
“Wilt averaged 50 points a game in the 1961-62 season, that same season Russell was named the league’s Most Valuable Player. Wilt was all about the stats, and how many points or rebounds he got. Russell was simply obsessed with winning and winning titles.
“Chamberlain only cared what critics thought of him. Russell only cared what his teammates thought of him.’’
That last sentence is Dusty to a millimetre.
Coming off an average season last year — for Martin — when he tragically lost his father which derailed the start of his season and then suffered injury, Martin looked like a man lost in the world, if his footy was our only judgment.
A year on, is the boy lost now a champion found?
If it’s another Brownlow year, which to be frank is unlikely playing mainly forward, Martin will have claims to the title as the best ever. Another Norm Smith Medal, cement it.
Blight isn’t ruling anything out with Martin this year.
“One of the things I know about the great ones is that once you reach a standard, you really don’t want to let it drop,’’ Blight said.
“In fact, I would suggest if you could ask him, he’s probably working on things which he wants to get better at. Most of the great ones, even Joel Selwood and what he did in the first quarter of the grand final, he didn’t want to let go. The really, really good ones want to get better.’’
Blight has seen Martin’s training vision and listened to Tigers people in press conferences and is enthused by the possibilities ahead.
“I know he has reached the mountain a number of times, and I know there’s other outside interest some times, but it would seem he will hopefully have a clear run at it,” Blight said.
Blight thinks Martin will play mainly forward, allowable because of the recruitment of Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper from the Giants.
He loves Dion Prestia but has concerns about his body, and believes Trent Cotchin is a wingman and or high half-forward, in a role not dissimilar to how Kane Lambert played: Be troublesome for the opposition, while keeping an eye on Shai Bolton’s and Martin’s midfield opponents.
“I’ve always felt that Dustin and this sounds funny, but he was never a 40-plus possession man was he?’’ Blight said.
“He was 20-25 at best and kick you three goals, that beautiful mix and maybe they’ve got that back. And they probably needed some infusion in that midfield area.’’
Blight unabashedly has faith in Martin conquering his mental challenge.
“Oh yeah,’’ he said. “I’ve decided now, at 30, you’re only warming up in footy now. I reckon what used to be 30 is now 33.’’
Hunger won’t be an issue for young Ashcroft, either, Blight says.
The Hall of Fame Legend worked with Ashcroft’s dad Marcus at the Suns and witnessed Will as an early teenager.
“Will was running in the Academy … when he was 12, 13, or 14, he was virtually winning the races against the 16-year-olds.
That’s how good his want and hunger was,” Blight said.
That immense running capacity has been noted in Ashcroft’s first off-season at the Lions. Likened to Carlton’s Sam Walsh and Gold Coast’s Touk Miller, the Lions had smiles when, in one of the intra games, Ashcroft won a clearance in the deep back pocket and got on the end of the same play and kicked the goal.
“One of the things with kids is you have to be careful with them,’’ Blight said. “If you try to put them in the midfield straight away … there’s massive big bodies there. That happened with Jason Horne-Francis. The club wanted to play him in the midfield and he wasn’t really ready for it.
“I reckon it takes you a while unless you’re an out and out freak. It took Petracca, Oliver, Dustin Martin … they’ve taken their time to go through the midfield. Otherwise, you burn them a little bit. Sam Walsh is one of my favourite players, but that back operation doesn’t surprise me. He’s been banging in there, but he’s slight. Butters and Rozee are the same at Port Adelaide. Don’t play them too early in there. Let them visit there, don’t let them stay there.
“I’ve watched Ashcroft because of my relationship with Marcus, and mate, he’s a jet. But how you handle him will be the trick, don’t burn them too early’’
Five-time premiership winner Dermott Brereton is less enthused than Blight about Martin’s possibilities this year.
Always honest with his thoughts, Brereton said: “Through that premiership era, the expectancy was he could rise to another level and he did it. And it’s not going to be that anymore. He will win the odd game, but time doesn’t wait for anyone.’’
Brereton, with a failing body from about 26-years-old, knows about playing with pride. It is a motivator, but it’s also a reality check.
“It’s funny when that balloon of pride gets pricked, when people start to see that you’re on the wane and you try to claw on to a status you previously held, and you try to do everything possible to stay there. But a lot of blokes play angry when they are old,” Brereton said.
“If Dustin is seriously fit, what do I expect from him? Not as much as his dominant years, but there will be moments where he wins the game.’’
He sees Martin being managed this year, so he’s cherry ripe for September, and suspects he will be a roaming forward, and not the stay-at-home deep forward, and nor will he be a dominant forward.
“There’s a misnomer, and every year it is said, ‘oh when Carey finishes playing centre half-forward, he will go to full-forward and kick 100 goals, when the great Gary Ablett Jnr finishes on the ball, he will kick 80 for the year as a forward … it never happens,’’ Brereton said
“I don’t think the Tigers can make him the No. 1 forward when you’ve got Tom Lynch and still Jack Riewoldt there. You can’t make Dusty your No. 1 go-to who will kick 60-70 goals. He can kick you 30 or 40 with mismatches but you can’t play him as your king pin up forward because he doesn’t mark overhead, he doesn’t get high off the ground.
“Every great player we’ve ever seen from the midfield or further up the ground, when they say he will go to full-forward, they never dominate like we think they will.’’.
Gary Ablett Sr was one who did it in the early 1990s. Leigh Matthews probably another in the late ‘70s and early 1980s. And Adelaide’s Darren Jarman had a couple of cracking grand finals in 1997/98
In the face of Brereton’s opinion, Champion Data stats show Martin, in the 2017-2020 period, played 63 per cent midfield and 37 per cent forward, and was rated the No. 1 one-on-one player in the competition, winning 49 of his offensive contests.
In 2021-22, he was 42 per cent midfield and 58 per cent forward — a jump of 20 per cent forward — and won 57 per cent of his offensive contests, which also ranked him No.1.
In effect, he played fewer games and raised his percentage, which is phenomenal.
“Dustin will be a star, but he won’t be the second half of the 2020 grand final against Geelong,’’ Brereton said, recalling Martin’s Norm Smith match.
“Put it this way, what he’ll be able to put out this year and if it was from someone else on the rise, we’d be fawning over him. Because it’s Dusty we’ll set the bar a lot higher.’’
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/mark-robinson-does-the-hungry-still-remain-to-carry-dustin-martin-to-heights-only-he-can-reach/news-story/50e63128eccf37126b5c208901c6b191
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Great stuff, amc11. That's it. :cheers.
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Double page spread.
TIGERS UPBEAT ABOUT DUSTY PROGRESS
The Tigers have been beaming about Martin across the pre-season.
Senior official Neil Balme told the Herald Sun this week Martin’s attitude towards “being part of the group and his training has been wonderful’’.
“He’s bought in, he’s in really good shape and I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t have a very influential year. He looks terrific,” Balme said.
And mentally?
“You never know but he seems good to me, he seems really good to me. He’s always a pretty quiet bloke, he doesn’t say a lot, but every time you talk to him, he’s with you. I think he’s very engaged,” he said.
“In its own funny way, the fact we recruited those two kids from GWS (Taranto and Hopper) as midfielders, it makes Dusty’s job much easier.
“He doesn’t have to drive the midfield, he can be what he needs to be, which is explosive wherever needs to be. If he’s in the midfield, good, if he’s forward then good. He’ll have an enormous influence.
“He’s always believed in his responsibility to himself and to his team, that’s never been an issue. It’s just that he’s talented and sometimes he doesn’t play as well as we think he can, because it’s not the easy game that it looks. No, he’s in a very good place from that point of view.’’
Across the board, the Tigers are in Martin’s corner.
On December 5 last year, Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale said: “He’s been training pretty hard … he’s a proud athlete and he’s a proud man and he’ll look forward to getting back in the swing of things, that’s for sure.”
Teammate Liam Baker said on January 19: “Dustin is back, he is fit and he has got a full pre-season in, which is exciting for us. Out on the track he is big and strong, and pushing people around.’’
Coach Damien Hardwick said on January 24: “He had a terrific session this week, we played a quarter of match practice and he moved well, used the ball well, so we’re very excited to see how he goes. Once again, he has missed a lot of footy over the last 18 months so it will take a little bit of time to get back to full fitness.’’
Assistant coach Andrew McQualter said on January 31: “We’re rapt that he’s been able to do all the training this pre-season. He hasn’t really missed a session at all, so hopefully it’s a really exciting year ahead for him.”
Let the Hunger Games begin.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/mark-robinson-does-the-hungry-still-remain-to-carry-dustin-martin-to-heights-only-he-can-reach/news-story/50e63128eccf37126b5c208901c6b191
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From Mick McGuane's twitter:
Underestimate the champ at your peril…!!!!
Can Dustin Martin make Richmond the AFL's best forward line?
@MickMCG34 is tipping a 35 to 40 goal season for Dusty!
How many do you think he will kick?
See Mick's 1-18 ranks here: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-mick-mcguane-ranks-every-forward-line-1-to-18/news-story/ceae04a62c0f47f2a96acb2ce296f41b
https://twitter.com/MickMCG34/status/1628246525548859392
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The breeze caused the kick to just overshoot so it wasn't a perfect play but you know Dusty is on when he's "don't argue"-ing
and holding off an opponent with his left arm while using his vision to see open teammates out of the corner of his eye and kicking across the body with his right side. He was back today turning 50/50 contests into wins for us and kicking multiple goals. He's been flying this preseason. So, touchwood he gets an injury-free run this year :pray.
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Looked fit, strong and silky with the ball. Excited to see him remind everyone who he is this season.
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KANE CORNES’ OBSERVATIONS FROM THE WEEKEND’S AFL MATCH SIMULATION GAMES
There’s life left in Dusty and Nat
“They just look fit (Dustin Martin and Nat Fyfe). I think you can judge a lot by how players turn up… five goals between those two and it will be terrific to see those two firing again, hopefully they both stay sound.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/27/kane-cornes-10-observations-from-the-weekends-afl-match-simulation-games/
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Hmm not sold on Dusty getting back anywhere close to his best.
For me he needs to play primarily as a mid with stints forward not the other way round.Playing midfield frees him up and i think he needs that.
Is he worth a spot playing primarily as a fwd well im not sure about that. For that to work he will need to kick 40 plus this year imo.
Im a Bit worried if we play Dusty as a fwd then we wont admit to the need to play a third tall and boy if we have a need its finding and playing another tall forward.
Hoping like hell he can get back to his explosive best in the mid field but he is no spring chicken any more. A fit and firing Dusty would be a big big bonus.
I think if we are asking questions about his mate Cotchin being past it i dont think its too far removed to be asking similar questions about Dusty.
Yep there are damn good reasons why he dropped away the last couple of seasons but im wondering if age and hunger are problems.
He has a bit to prove after his last two seasons and im sure we all hope he proves me and any other doubters wrong.
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Hmm not sold on Dusty getting back anywhere close to his best.
For me he needs to play primarily as a mid with stints forward not the other way round.Playing midfield frees him up and i think he needs that.
Is he worth a spot playing primarily as a fwd well im not sure about that. For that to work he will need to kick 40 plus this year imo.
Im a Bit worried if we play Dusty as a fwd then we wont admit to the need to play a third tall and boy if we have a need its finding and playing another tall forward.
Hoping like hell he can get back to his explosive best in the mid field but he is no spring chicken any more. A fit and firing Dusty would be a big big bonus.
I think if we are asking questions about his mate Cotchin being past it i dont think its too far removed to be asking similar questions about Dusty.
Yep there are damn good reasons why he dropped away the last couple of seasons but im wondering if age and hunger are problems.
He has a bit to prove after his last two seasons and im sure we all hope he proves me and any other doubters wrong.
Agree with a lot of that.
Dusty I feel has often been a bit of a momentum player and when he's involved in the middle it helps him get involved up forward.
I don't think he's ever played majority forward and had as much of an impact as when he's midfield and resting forward.
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I feel like playing him in the midfield helps him get mismatches when he rotates forward. If he’s a permanent forward he’ll attract a better and more physical defender because he doesn’t have the breakaway leg speed.
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Hmm not sold on Dusty getting back anywhere close to his best.
For me he needs to play primarily as a mid with stints forward not the other way round.Playing midfield frees him up and i think he needs that.
Is he worth a spot playing primarily as a fwd well im not sure about that. For that to work he will need to kick 40 plus this year imo.
Im a Bit worried if we play Dusty as a fwd then we wont admit to the need to play a third tall and boy if we have a need its finding and playing another tall forward.
Hoping like hell he can get back to his explosive best in the mid field but he is no spring chicken any more. A fit and firing Dusty would be a big big bonus.
I think if we are asking questions about his mate Cotchin being past it i dont think its too far removed to be asking similar questions about Dusty.
Yep there are damn good reasons why he dropped away the last couple of seasons but im wondering if age and hunger are problems.
He has a bit to prove after his last two seasons and im sure we all hope he proves me and any other doubters wrong.
Great post - forget how important it is for him to play midfield for him - it’s important for us to have him in there - his explosive burst from contest and beautiful leg are critical for us. He’s Adam Gilchrist - can break open a game in the blink of an eye.
If Danger can do it at 33-34, Dusty can 100 come back - it’s one thing that gives me hope for this season.
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I see him similar to Cotch bursts in the midfield and maybe a mismatch upforward when need be.Let's hope we don't get to cute with the Dusty and Cotch situation.
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On AFL360, Robbo and Whateley discussed "Can Dusty get his mojo back?"
Robbo has faith Dusty can and if Dusty does then we (Tiges) can win the flag.
Click on pic/link to watch:
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https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1635198151740252160
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Fox Footy’s Nick Dal Santo believes Martin needs to kick at least 40 goals this season if Richmond are to be successful.
“I think their point of difference or what needs to happen for them to be competitive this year, it goes back to Dustin Martin,” he said on AFL Tonight.
“We know what he’s done in the past – there’ll be so much reliance on him.
“He has to kick 40-50 goals for them to be round the mark at the end of year I reckon.
“It’s a huge responsibility – nothing that he’s not capable of.
“Two goals a week is a huge impact and influence on that forward line that’s already stacked.”
AFL great Jonathan Brown wasn’t sure Richmond’s veterans, including Martin, could find their best form in 2023.
“I’m a bit worried about the Tiges,” he said On the Couch.
“They were heavy scorers last year along with Brisbane, probably should have beaten Brisbane in that first final, but there are quite a few veterans – stars of the team, those A-graders – that for Richmond still to be successful, they still need to be playing at A-grade level.
“And I’m not sure they’re capable of that anymore. We haven’t seen it from Dusty (Martin) the last 12 or 18 months.”
Robinson also questioned if Martin can “get his mojo back”.
“I mean we are talking about one of the great players of all time,” he said on AFL 360.
“If he can get his mojo back, Richmond can win the flag.
“He wins games of football.
“It’s so hard to find good players, it’s really hard to find players who say to everyone on the ground ‘I’m going to win the game’. And he does it. He’s done it in big games.
“Mentally, that’s the only issue.
“He looks really fit. People at the club say he’s really keen, his manager said to me (Martin’s) really keen to redeem himself (after) not a bad year last year but not the Dustin level.
“I’ve got faith in Dustin Martin.”
Former Tigers coach Terry Wallace said he believed Martin could return to his best after a big pre-season.
“I think when you have a major injury it takes you sort of 18 months to get over it,” he said on AFL 360.
“If I was looking at the moment, I’d probably have (Tom) Lynch and (Shai) Bolton in front of him at Richmond.
“But if he can get back to what we know Dusty can do, clearly he’s going to be a shining light for them.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/stop-going-in-the-past-robbo-grills-tigers-coach-about-dusty-amid-greats-big-call-on-superstar/news-story/98b2c26d49c9f3a5b4a219334c194f93
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The idea that Dusty would kick XX amount of goals as a more permanent forward has soured on me.
He needs to be involved up the ground. He runs forward and is an attacking player. Resting forward he will jag a goal here and there too but I've become less and less convinced he would ever be an overly damaging permanent forward.
He doesn't have enough defensive side either.
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The idea that Dusty would kick XX amount of goals as a more permanent forward has soured on me.
He needs to be involved up the ground. He runs forward and is an attacking player. Resting forward he will jag a goal here and there too but I've become less and less convinced he would ever be an overly damaging permanent forward.
He doesn't have enough defensive side either.
Defense matters less if Dusty is kicking multiple goals per game
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If Dusty kicks 40 to 50 goals, we will be premiers by the length of the Flemington straight.
They forget we made finals and should have won at least one final and Dusty barely sweated all year.
Any contribution from Dusty will make us better than that, even before you add in TT and Hopper.
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Tom Lynch welcomed the prospect of Dustin Martin spending more time inside 50 after some ominous moments in attack in pre-season.
"He (Martin) has played deep forward quite a few times – so Jack (Riewoldt) and I have to get out of the 50 for him, clear it out," Lynch said.
"But he's obviously a superstar and we're rapt to have him up and firing and looking forward to what he'll produce Thursday night."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/882129/star-good-to-go-in-boost-for-tigers-ahead-of-opener)
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Sheesh apparently by club reports and team mates observations Dusty is fitter bigger and stronger than he has ever been yet he can only play as a forward.
Of course Lynch is going to talk up Dusty playing fwd he is towing the club line. Would be real worried if we are clearing out the fwd line so dusty can have it to himself.
Cmon we aren't blind or stupid we have seen how things are for ourselves.
If Dust is as fit and well as they say then he plays primarily as a mid surely.
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Sheeeeeeeshhhhhhhhh
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He's listed 1kg lighter than last year (but still a couple of kg heavier than his 2017 year) so he might be trying to trim down but claw makes a good point if he's fit then he should be playing midfield majority of the time where he has a higher chance of getting to the contest.
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Doesn’t need to be more or less than normal - rather what team needs and where we can exploit opposition each week.
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What did we all think of Dusty's game in his 'new' role playing more time up forward?
23 disposals (15k, 8h, 10c, 13u, 56.5% eff.)
6 marks (2 contested marks)
0 tackles
1 clearance
8 inside 50s
1 intercept
432 metres gained
5 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
0 frees for
3 frees against
82% time on ground
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Thought he played well. Took a really nice mark.
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Just great to see him back. Big tick
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I just love the guy.
That kick to Lynch was :gobdrop
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Thank gawd, he looks like he is back and ready to go
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Still in second gear.
He may kick a bag of goals in a number of games.
But most importantly once he gets his kicking skills back he’ll be setting up goals right left and centre to be the goal assist king.
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I just love the guy.
That kick to Lynch was :gobdrop
He also did a nice kick to Jack in the pocket. Kick had too much height but it was a well disguised kick. He just has a very high football IQ
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He didn't break tackles like he used to.
Zero tackles laid also.
Got unfairly pinged HTB a couple of times I thought as well.
Better than what we've seen for a while but I'd still like his ceiling to be higher.
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Did he really spend more time fwd?? Not sure about that.
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Didnt see him starting the centre but could be wrong
it s a rolling scrum these days anyway, very little holding to positions
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He didn't break tackles like he used to.
Zero tackles laid also.
Got unfairly pinged HTB a couple of times I thought as well.
Better than what we've seen for a while but I'd still like his ceiling to be higher.
October 2020 was 2.5 years ago. That version of Dusty will never be seen again unfortunately. What we got last night is not far off what his best will be from here.
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His vision and ability to put the ball in dangerous position is a real asset. I think he has the potential to be the league leader in goal assists and jagging a few himself almost edwards like once he dusts out the cobwebs.
His reflex in making the most of a Carlton fumble and lighting up the G with the first goal is what we need to contest top 4
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His vision and ability to put the ball in dangerous position is a real asset. I think he has the potential to be the league leader in goal assists and jagging a few himself almost edwards like once he dusts out the cobwebs.
Yep, agree with this. His foot skills, anticipation & game smarts make him a very valuable forward, his composure in tight spots shows too. The rampaging bull that tore sides to shreds from the midfield is probably done now, but there are plenty of ways for Dusty to still contribute & even be a match winner at times.
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THE “RETURN OF THE RED MIST”
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
17 March 2023
David King believes the Brownlow Medallist and three-time Norm Smith Medal winner Dustin Martin has the hunger and competitiveness back after a tough 2022.
“The number one takeaway for me is the return of the red mist in Dustin Martin,” King said on SEN Breakfast.
“The competitor was back.
“He hasn’t had a big night by any stretch, he hasn’t separated the game with a five-goal performance or anything like that.
“He had 23 touches, eight inside 50s and a goal, but he was involved in everything that was positive in the forward half for Richmond.
“We haven’t seen him at his absolute best for 18 months. He’s missed a lot of footy, he’s had his own challenges with lots of things going on, but I was thrilled to see that competitor back last night.”
“No one is better, I don’t know what the numbers say, at the one on one contests, the ability to just nudge someone off the ball at ground level and get yourself into a position to win it,” Kane Cornes said of Martin.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/16/richmonds-potent-forward-line-and-the-return-of-the-red-mist/
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Did he really spend more time fwd?? Not sure about that.
78% in forward half 8 inside 50’s
Didnt see him starting the centre but could be wrong
it s a rolling scrum these days anyway, very little holding to positions
No centre bounce attendances for Dusty
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ROUND 1 SIGNALS ALL-AUSTRALIAN FORM FOR DUSTY ACCORDING TO CHAMPION DATA
By Marcus Beeck
SEN
22 March 2023
Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne believes Richmond star Dustin Martin will be a lock for All-Australian if he continues his Round 1 form.
The 31-year-old Brownlow Medallist played the entirety of Thursday night’s match as a forward according to Champion Data, collecting 23 possessions, 10 of which were contested, to go with his one goal and five score involvements.
Hoyne believes if Martin can avoid serious injuries and play for the majority of the season the Tigers veteran still has the ability to be one of the most damaging forwards in the competition.
“I think we’ve just got to keep an eye on this guy because we’re just so used to his higher expectation as that midfield forward type of player,” Hoyne told SEN Sportsday
“Just putting it into context, if he plays at that standard and the game he rated on the weekend he will be All-Australian and he will be the number one rated general forward in the competition.”
Richmond fans will be happy to see Martin playing in yellow and black after reports last year were swirling that the Tigers star may retire.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/22/round-1-signals-all-australian-form-for-dusty-according-to-champion-data/
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Did he really spend more time fwd?? Not sure about that.
78% in forward half 8 inside 50’s
Didnt see him starting the centre but could be wrong
it s a rolling scrum these days anyway, very little holding to positions
No centre bounce attendances for Dusty
I take that means fwd of centre. Happy to concede but id like to know how much time he spent in the fwd 50. Did not seem a lot to me.
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Any updates on why Dusty was substituted off? Tactical or was he sore?
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Any updates on why Dusty was substituted off? Tactical or was he sore?
I suspect it was for watching whilst his opponents walked out of defence without a whisper of pressure
Not sure they will make that the public reason though.
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Personally I think Dusty is amazing. Unfortunately I think his time has come. Big call I know but if he has no team ethic re defensive pressure sends a bad message to the rest of the team,
Very conflicting and hope I am wrong….
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Unsure if this was the reason why Crows piled us on.
Decisions to kick to O'Brien and Himmelberg constantly was awful. Maybe Dodee who was on Dusty made that harder I'm unsure.
Certainly made a difference with Mansells movement in F50.
I don't recall Dusty tackling much back in the day.
Bigger issues I'm sure. Happy for him to be fit.
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Dimma was asked about Dusty in his post-game presser:
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick insists there was nothing sinister or serious about the Tigers’ surprise call to place Dustin Martin on ice midway through the final quarter of Saturday’s win against Adelaide.
Hardwick didn’t expand on the specifics of Martin’s physical concern but confirmed the short turnaround ahead of this Friday’s MCG blockbuster against high-flying Collingwood played a part in the decision to curtail the 31-year-old’s afternoon.
“It was one of those ones, we had a couple of boys we were talking about in regards to what does it [niggle] look like,” Hardwick said.
“His [substitution] was just from a management point of view. We’ll see how that pans out. Obviously, we’ve got a short break like Collingwood. We’ll work our way through those.”
Martin's benching was a move that was described as "unusual" by Brisbane Lions great Jonathan Brown.
"It would be unusual that he'd be subbed out as a resting mechanism," Brown said on Fox Footy's coverage.
Hardwick's Tigers face a six-day turnaround before a round three blockbuster against the ladder-leading Magpies at the MCG next Friday night.
Sources: AFL (https://www.afl.com.au/news/888240/broad-apologises-for-sling-tackle-crows-confirm-parnell-concussion) & Nine (https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2023-dustin-martin-injury-concern-richmond-tigers-beat-adelaide-crows/7071877d-a35f-4cb3-9191-56cdec401116) websites.
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Riley Beveridge on the AFL website: "He [Dusty] might have had a bit of hamstring tightness."
Any truth to this or just the media speculating for a story?
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3 qtr time he went down into the rooms with the doc.
Came back out and started the 4th but was subbed out what 10 or so minutes in?
He looked spent at times in the 3rd. Though must say he wasn't the only one
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Spent? :help Didn’t he have a full preseason?
He attended 1 centre bounce and played 70% forward most of that in the first half and went into midfield in the third but couldn’t keep up and had no impact at all.
Not great signs. Hopefully it’s not his feet giving him trouble and he’s just not fully match fit.
But it’s worrying signs. Probably a good thing he was subbed off as he looks like he actually needs all the rest he can get.
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I know it was only 24 degrees but that sun packed a punch yesterday. Elderly bloke 3 rows in front of us had to be attended to by paramedics early in the game because of the sun
We baked in it.
Nick Vlastuin was struggling big time late in the 3rd and at times in the 4th. Are we going to question his fitness? What about Liam Baker? I sat this alot but what you see at the game is very different to what you see on the TV
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I know it was only 24 degrees but that sun packed a punch yesterday. Elderly bloke 3 rows in front of us had to be attended to by paramedics early in the game because of the sun
We baked in it.
Nick Vlastuin was struggling big time late in the 3rd and at times in the 4th. Are we going to question his fitness? What about Liam Baker? I sat this alot but what you see at the game is very different to what you see on the TV
Felt for a lot of the fans, looked like 3/4 of the fans were in the sun all day.
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I know it was only 24 degrees but that sun packed a punch yesterday. Elderly bloke 3 rows in front of us had to be attended to by paramedics early in the game because of the sun
We baked in it.
Nick Vlastuin was struggling big time late in the 3rd and at times in the 4th. Are we going to question his fitness? What about Liam Baker? I sat this alot but what you see at the game is very different to what you see on the TV
Yes. I will question anyones fitness if they can’t run out games especially after a full preseason.
I’m not, however, questioning unfit spectators that aren’t adequately hydrated sitting in the outer.
I’m not sure why any player should be exempt from criticism if they are not playing their role. Dusty is champ for everything he’s achieved for us but he can’t player watch whilst defenders waltz past pressure free and that goes for anyone in the team especially in the F50.
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Riley Beveridge on the AFL website: "He [Dusty] might have had a bit of hamstring tightness."
Any truth to this or just the media speculating for a story?
One of the news outlets said he'd had scans on his hammy today, but would play against Collingwood. Make of that what you will.
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I know it was only 24 degrees but that sun packed a punch yesterday. Elderly bloke 3 rows in front of us had to be attended to by paramedics early in the game because of the sun
We baked in it.
Nick Vlastuin was struggling big time late in the 3rd and at times in the 4th. Are we going to question his fitness? What about Liam Baker? I sat this alot but what you see at the game is very different to what you see on the TV
Yes. I will question anyones fitness if they can’t run out games especially after a full preseason.
I’m not, however, questioning unfit spectators that aren’t adequately hydrated sitting in the outer.
I’m not sure why any player should be exempt from criticism if they are not playing their role. Dusty is champ for everything he’s achieved for us but he can’t player watch whilst defenders waltz past pressure free and that goes for anyone in the team especially in the F50.
Come on mate they're all stuffed and struggling in every game. None of them are match fit yet.
Give it a few weeks.
Agree with your last paragraph.
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Yeah the only guy who'd be match fit by round 2 is Brent Harvey.
They usually look like country footballers until round 6 or something.
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7news said the Club told them Dusty has "general leg soreness".
The last play he was in before going off showed a player falling and taking out Dusty's legs.
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Tom Browne during the Essendon-Suns game said the Club told him it was a precautionary scan.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1639865958016733186
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Is it his feet?
Seems to have issues with his boots and was fussing with them even last week.
I think he’s had issues in the past with boots or his feet. I can’t remember exactly.
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Is it his feet?
Seems to have issues with his boots and was fussing with them even last week.
I think he’s had issues in the past with boots or his feet. I can’t remember exactly.
Was the puma boots, didn't like them when they sponsored us so went back to his preferred brand
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Is it his feet?
Seems to have issues with his boots and was fussing with them even last week.
I think he’s had issues in the past with boots or his feet. I can’t remember exactly.
Was the puma boots, didn't like them when they sponsored us so went back to his preferred brand
Thanks :cheers
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Is it his feet?
Seems to have issues with his boots and was fussing with them even last week.
I think he’s had issues in the past with boots or his feet. I can’t remember exactly.
Was the puma boots, didn't like them when they sponsored us so went back to his preferred brand
Thanks :cheers
Not quite right Andyy
He is actually wearing his favourite Puma boots now.
They don't make that particular design anymore. That's one of the reasons he walked away from his personal Puma deal, wasn't happy with the new designs. He is actually sponsored by Nike now but hasn't won their boots since early last season.
The ones he is wearing are his favourites, that go back to 2017. They are Puma
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he changed boots twice in 2020 GF before lighting it up. a good friend of mine works at a podiatry/orthotics place a lot of footy players go and said Dusty's sponsored boots always need to be modified pretty extensively with inserts etc.
If memory serves me correctly it's the 2017 pumas which were awesome and all the other puma yearly releases sucked.
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If memory serves me correctly it's the 2017 pumas which were awesome and all the other puma yearly releases sucked.
Yep, and he is back in 2017 pumas now
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Lol its his boots that are at fault not the player.
He has layed one tackle in two games and the defensive side of his game is almost non existent.
He was subbed out for a good reason.
Its fine when he is really impacting games but when hes not well .
Feel for the kids not allowed to play their natural games and have to be defensively great to get a game but it doesn't apply to others.
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Lol its his boots that are at fault not the player.
He has layed one tackle in two games and the defensive side of his game is almost non existent.
He was subbed out for a good reason.
Its fine when he is really impacting games but when hes not well .
Feel for the kids not allowed to play their natural games and have to be defensively great to get a game but it doesn't apply to others.
Couldn't agree more, doesn't sit right with me. Every single player should be pulling their weight defensively, you only need one to not do whats required for the whole setup to break down let alone the 2 or 3 that some supporters feel it's ok to get a free pass.
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Lol its his boots that are at fault not the player.
He has layed one tackle in two games and the defensive side of his game is almost non existent.
He was subbed out for a good reason.
Its fine when he is really impacting games but when hes not well .
Feel for the kids not allowed to play their natural games and have to be defensively great to get a game but it doesn't apply to others.
I agree with the post but he’s a once a generation player who I think offensively is worth the risk.
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I thought his defensive pressure was much better against the Blue Cheats than it was against the Crow cheats.
If his role is predominantly forward, he must lead the way with the defensive pressure / it's not unheard of for player roles to chance late in their careers. KB did it in 1980. I think he's more than capable.
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Lol its his boots that are at fault not the player.
He has layed one tackle in two games and the defensive side of his game is almost non existent.
He was subbed out for a good reason.
Its fine when he is really impacting games but when hes not well .
Feel for the kids not allowed to play their natural games and have to be defensively great to get a game but it doesn't apply to others.
I agree with the post but he’s a once a generation player who I think offensively is worth the risk.
Agree with this, though he is a shadow of his former self since that Sydney game IMO
He is like a completely different player in my book, which i cant understand when you have the likes of danger pendlebury still amongst it.
He either wants to apply pressure and do the team thing or make way for others at some stage. No excuses for not being fit and IMV he seems unfit and slower, though he isnt the only one.
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I think we are being really hard on Dusty.
A few key things.
1- Teams have put a mountain of work in learning how to tackle someone who uses a stiff arm. He constantly is tackled now. It wasn't a battle of strength it was a combo of strength, power and technique imbalance. Opponents have bridges the gap in learning how to tackle and he's lost an edge he had and used to dominate.
2- His purpose was clear, he loves winning but also loved putting on a show knowing his Dad was watching in NZ. Every interview he'd say Hi Dad after the game. Poor bugger that's lost that connection and extra sense of purpose in playing for his Dad.
3- Hes not been the same physically since the kidney injury. Pretty serious.
Combine all of that and the fact he's now 31, let's give him a bit more patience.
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also hamstrings. i don't want his hamstrings blowing up in round 2 for attempting a run down tackle when there's a niggle.
he was never the fastest player and hence he had to develop the don't argue when players try and run him down with a tackle.
I actually legit think he's not fast enough to run and chase like the Riolis or even more seasoned players like KMac for example and that lack of speed makes him appear lazy. In the trenches getting contested ball I think that's where he an work defensively i.e. shepherding, halving contests, winning ground balls etc
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Dusty is now in his third year of having a diminished influence.
Sure, it’s been driven by injury and personal issues but that length of time without real impact warrants feedback if that’s where supporters decide they want to make comment.
I don’t agree as he’s still the best player I’ve seen pull on tiger colours ever.
I can’t forget that but I can forgive him these last couple of years.
I’d love him to bounce back and not diminish his legacy to others but that is starting to look less likely.
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Best peak years I've ever seen in an RFC jumper, and subsequently the best accolades, but arguably other players have had better form over longer periods or more consistently good years - including Jack, Rance and Richo.
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Didn’t dusty finish top5 or top10 in the b&f for a solid 10+ years from his debut season onwards? Don’t agree with him not having a long peak it’s just the peak of his peak was so unbelievable that it couldn’t be sustained for long.
JackR has been struggling since 2019 which puts him around the same age Dusty is now. Rance didn’t play beyond 29 years old.
It’s literally round 3 and people are already writing off his season. Bit of an early crow I reckon.
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Lol i don't see anyone writing him off. But people are rightly questioning his defensive ability especially when such a high bar in this areas is used to keep kids out of the team.
Its simple like Cotchin just play him in his normal role's which is mostly mid with rotations thru the fwd line.
Thats not Cumberlands role or Clarkes it is Boltons and should be Sonsies as well.
They are trying to give these old blokes new roles and it is literally at the expense of kids.
Both Dusty and Trent are still good enough to DEMAND A GAME as mids alone.
We are missing the chance to get games into Clarke Sonsie Cumberland by playing them thru the fwd half or even on a wing.
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Lol i don't see anyone writing him off. But people are rightly questioning his defensive ability especially when such a high bar in this areas is used to keep kids out of the team.
Its simple like Cotchin just play him in his normal role's which is mostly mid with rotations thru the fwd line.
Thats not Cumberlands role or Clarkes it is Boltons and should be Sonsies as well.
They are trying to give these old blokes new roles and it is literally at the expense of kids.
Both Dusty and Trent are still good enough to DEMAND A GAME as mids alone.
We are missing the chance to get games into Clarke Sonsie Cumberland by playing them thru the fwd half or even on a wing.
👏👏👏
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Dimma in his presser said Dusty would've played if we had an extra day or two. "Not a conservative approach but the right approach". This early in the season, better to take the week off with the bank of games we've got coming up rather than risk forcing it and him ending up missing weeks (same with Hopper).
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I’ll play devils advocate here: I know the great man has had a serious injury and a lot of personal issues to deal with over the last few years. A lot to cope with for even the normal person. But… he just doesn’t ever look match fit these days, and more concerning for me is that he seems disinterested / distracted. He is in and out of action during games and in and out of the line-up for very very ambiguous reasons.
He hasn’t had a lot of game miles in his legs for a few years and he is ONLY 31. He is still getting $1m+ annual salary to boot.
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Something doesn't sit right with me this situation we herd he was flying preseason.
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I’ll play devils advocate here: I know the great man has had a serious injury and a lot of personal issues to deal with over the last few years. A lot to cope with for even the normal person. But… he just doesn’t ever look match fit these days, and more concerning for me is that he seems disinterested / distracted. He is in and out of action during games and in and out of the line-up for very very ambiguous reasons.
He hasn’t had a lot of game miles in his legs for a few years and he is ONLY 31. He is still getting $1m+ annual salary to boot.
Have to say I don't agree with any of your observations
I reckon it is the fittest he's looked since 2020. Though I do think it has been a bit of a balancing act in getting his conditioning right since the kidney injury. In that he lost so much weight after that I do wonder how do you manage how much he puts back on as he gets older
As for being disinterested having watched him closely in our 2 games so far and especially last week in Adelaide he looked bloody switched on to me. What stood out to me was his leadership around the likes of MJ and Samson. He was always speaking to them, encouraging them
Finally, whether we agree or not he is playing mainly as a forward now so he isn't going to be in the action like he used to. Personally, would love to see him the middle a bit more but he is a team first player and if they want forward of centre, then that's what he will do
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Yeah, I'd agree he's very much looked switched on and up for a game so far this year
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His impact has probably just been reduced because:
1. He's getting older
2. He's the most studied player in the AFL over the last five years. All teams would have done loads of work learning how to negate him and with players/coaches leaving the club I'm sure there's plenty of chatter amongst the other clubs, collaborating on how to do that.
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ...
the alarm bells started ringing when Dusty was subbed out late in round two ...
THEN ...
they tolled even louder when 'general soreness' was given as the reason for his unavailability for Friday's match against Collingwood. Please don't let it be another serious hamstring.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/891944/if-the-alarm-bells-were-ringing-when-dusty-was-subbed-out-then
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Just to clarify it's this year + 2024 that we are still paying him $1.2kk/year?
Ouch. I know he delivered flags in 19+20 but it still hurts when his output is closer to half that value.
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Would you rather he have won every brownlow since 2017 but we have zero flags in that period?
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Is there going to be a challenge from Hardiwick asking Dusty to lift his defensive efforts and stop relying on team mates to cover for him.
MRJ is clearly suffering just playing this dumb arse solo defensive role. His nephew Daniel clearly suffered and Cumberland can't get a game because he doesnt cover enough.
Just make em all accountable including Dusty and let the kids play their natural game a lot like McRae does with the collingwood boys.
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Dusty's game yesterday:
23 disposals (11k, 12h, 15c, 10u, 69.6% eff.)
4 marks (3 contested marks)
2 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
3 clearances (1 centre clearance)
4 inside 50s
239 metres gained
1 free for
1 free against
10 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
85% time on ground
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Back to near his best yesterday and easily our best
Great to see him take some centre bounce work as well
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Was the best thing from yesterday, got emotional. This blokr been through the ringer the last 18 months, hospitalized, lost his Dad, persistent hammy. Was great to see there is still a chapter left to write for Dusty.
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Agree thought he played well.Shows he Needs to play midfield for majority of games.
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Agree with all of the above.
Is a midfield weapon, he remains best player in AFL if used properly
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This should be in contention for mark of the year but it won’t be because it’s not a spectacle. Just pure strength and concentration #AFLTigersDogs
https://twitter.com/johnloydroberts/status/1644622189608734721
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This should be in contention for mark of the year but it won’t be because it’s not a spectacle. Just pure strength and concentration #AFLTigersDogs
https://twitter.com/johnloydroberts/status/1644622189608734721
Agree, was excellent
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"His season so far is still tracking to be All-Australian level."
- Daniel Hoyne on Dustin Martin
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1645708533831467009
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Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne joined SEN’s Sportsday to discuss the performances from Round 4 which may have been overlooked in the Coaches votes.
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
“We had him as the fourth-highest rated player on the ground (against the Western Bulldogs).
“He got zero votes from the coaches on the weekend, but I was watching on the weekend and I thought he was the one that could win the game for Richmond all night.
“After that Round 1 performance against Carlton … I think his season so far is tracking to be at All-Australian level.
“We’ve just got to get our head around that we’re not going to see Dusty get 30 disposals probably again all year.
“15 contested possessions for the game playing purely as a forward is ridiculous and to have 10 score involvements, it continues to be all impact for Dusty.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/04/12/five-round-4-performances-that-flew-under-the-radar-according-to-champion/
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IF ...
the Tigers were to hypnotise Dusty and convince him that Friday night’s match against the Swans was a Grand Final ...
THEN ...
that would be the one sure-fire way of getting this sputtering season on track. We know what happens with Dusty and Grand Finals. But we are now never sure what we get with Richmond week to week.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/902214/if-the-tigers-were-to-hypnotise-dusty-then
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When is Dusty out of contract?
$1.2m per season should get us a premium free agent or 2.
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Trade the dud - poo truck now
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Has something wrong.
I think it’s his feet. Can’t run or kick like he used to. Pretty obvious he clearly has something going on with his body.
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Trade him for whatever we can get. He has checked out
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Dusty is not the once in a generation player he once was but he's the least of our problems right now.
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Just looked lazy at times out there.
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Dusty is not the once in a generation player he once was but he's the least of our problems right now.
Yep least of our issues right now
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Trade the dud - poo truck now
What’s funny is some posters still blame it on his dad, appendix this and that.
What has he actually done over the last few years? He simply doesn’t give a stuff that’s his biggest contribution to our club now.
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His disposal is really letting him down.
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I get all the stuff with his dad and injuries etc , but for the money his on no way near we a getting the performance.
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It was a lacerated kidney not his appendix ::)
Bit of a difference I would have thought
Anyways...
Agree he is not playing like he did pre 2021 but he like a couple of others is over 30. Father time catching up perhaps?
I'm not sold on this permanent forward thing. The few times he gone to the centre he's looked a helluva lot better.
Also, as permanent forward he is subject to the shocking forward 50 entries that Lynch and Jack have to put up with. Personally I'd rather him driving it in there rather than have him waiting for it to get there
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A few short memories I think he was excellent vs the Dogs. We have been told countries times Dusty is the most competitive person at the club. I don't buy into the he's not into anymore. I don't think his body is that old or injured I agree with WP his position as stay at home forward is a crap one. He's playing the Caddy role which unless we are getting lots of inside 50s with decent delivery doesn't have a heap of impact.
I reckon he's not as strong or quick as he used to be, naturally, and was getting caught and tracked a lot more post 2020 so they decided to give him more forward minutes. Game vs the dogs showed he's much better in the middle still.
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Needs to be in the middle. Remember 2020 GF when Dangerfield was forward and didn’t touch it at all in the 3rd qtr while dusty carved it up?
No point keeping dusty forward if the ball never gets down there. Also our f50 entries are terrible and outside of him and Dan Rioli it’s always hearts in mouth stuff when I see the other 20 players try and hit up a target
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Got a feeling he already knew his body was stuffed and he didn’t have it in him to play at such a high level anymore.
I reckon the club talked him into it with the addition of Hopper and Taranto they thought he could cope as a forward. But I don’t think his body can do it anymore
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Got a feeling he already knew his body was stuffed and he didn’t have it in him to play at such a high level anymore.
I reckon the club talked him into it with the addition of Hopper and Taranto they thought he could cope as a forward. But I don’t think his body can do it anymore
8th highest rated player on the ground out of 46. Not going that bad.
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Got a feeling he already knew his body was stuffed and he didn’t have it in him to play at such a high level anymore.
I reckon the club talked him into it with the addition of Hopper and Taranto they thought he could cope as a forward. But I don’t think his body can do it anymore
Had 25 and kicked 1.3, should have kicked 4. Not a bad game!
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Got a feeling he already knew his body was stuffed and he didn’t have it in him to play at such a high level anymore.
I reckon the club talked him into it with the addition of Hopper and Taranto they thought he could cope as a forward. But I don’t think his body can do it anymore
Had 25 and kicked 1.3, should have kicked 4. Not a bad game!
At the game it looks like he’s just going. Obviously his natural talent and instincts are still there but his body looks shot. Doesn’t have any speed of movement at all. His strength has decreased significantly.
He doesn’t have that step of the mark anymore
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He's cooked.
Managed to turn it on for a nice goal at the end but you could see it took everything he had in him.
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His cooked still has value. Far from finished.
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I think the criticisms of Dusty is absolutely madness. He had an OK game. Could have won it for us. Wasn't to be.
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His cooked still has value. Far from finished.
Cooked compared to his best years but you are right. He's light years better than Mansell lol
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If he kicks that goal from 1% where it hit the post we'd all be hearing from the media that he's back. Game of millimetres.
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Dusty's game. He had the second most meters gained for us and 3rd most on the ground.
25 disposals (16k, 9h, 9c, 15u, 60% eff.)
2 marks
3 tackles
2 clearances
6 inside 50s
579 metres gained
2 intercepts
7 score involvements
1 goal
3 behinds
83% time on ground
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His messiah days are over
But can contribute.
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I’m not saying he’s finished but I just got a feeling he probably wanted to retire because he knew hs body isn’t able to go at his previous high level.
At the game he struggles to make contests now. Seems he has lost that explosiveness off the mark.
I agree that he still contributes and is better than anyone else in that position but it’s kind of sad seeing him struggle. Hard to watch at times seeing him in decline because he been so elite.
Obviously his stats reflect an ok game but it looks like he’s blowing up pretty hard out there these days.
I’m not writing him off but just observing what I saw
He normally would’ve ate those goals for breakfast too.
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Think we just need to appreciate how blessed we were as a club and what a privilege it was to see this guy in his prime around 17-20.
2017 I've never seen a player hurt opposition teams so much, ever.
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I was at the game and he looked good to me
Kick 3.1 instead of 1.3 and we don't have this discussion
Looked much better when he went in the middle
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Agreed Willy.
Looked close to getting back that swagger.
Those missed goals hurt but were so close to going through. If only….
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I reckon he's building well. Might not get back to 2017-21 levels, but let's not forget he's coming off a really challenging year, physically and mentally. Barring niggles/setbacks, I expect him to get back to something like his dominant self over the next few weeks.
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Dusty's goal is up for Goal of the Week.
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Charlie's brilliance, Rankine's magic or vintage Dusty?
Who gets your @rebelsport Goal of the Year nomination for round six?
Head to http://afl.com.au/goal-of-the-year to cast your vote 🗳
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1651137424469417986
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Martin not far off best says coach Hardwick
Melissa Woods
AAP
April 28, 2023 12:36PM
Damien Hardwick senses a breakthrough game isn't far away for Tigers superstar Dustin Martin, who he described as a "spirit level" for the Richmond side.
Tigers talisman Martin has been solid but not spectacular in the opening rounds, last Monday booting one goal and three behinds in their 18-point loss to Melbourne.
Hardwick felt the 31-year-old Brownlow medallist reflected the Tigers, with both close to regaining their best form.
"He was this close last week to breaking that game open, and we know and he knows that he's a real spirit level of our footy club," the coach said of Martin.
"Richmond spirit is based around certain players, and he's one of those guys that brings that.
"We felt he was really, really close - he had some great phases of play last week and probably just didn't capitalise.
"He kicked one goal, three, and when he's firing on his whole eight cylinders he's probably kicking three-one which is a difference-maker to the competition.
"But he's building slowly into the season so we look forward to him ripping a game apart pretty shortly."
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/martin-tigers-not-far-off-best-says-coach-hardwick-c-10482646
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COULD TRADING DUSTIN MARTIN BE A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH CLUB AND PLAYER?
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
May 1, 2023
Richmond find themselves in a precarious position both on and off-field through seven rounds.
With a 1-1-5 record, the Tigers sit 16th on the ladder, but they won’t get a prized draft pick at the end of this season if they continue to linger at the bottom of the table.
Having traded their 2023 first-round pick, plus a 2022 second-rounder, for Jacob Hopper, the Tigers find themselves with a lack of draft capital.
SEN’s Tom Morris believes Richmond may need to get creative in the trade period given their early picks in both 2022 and 2023 have been gobbled up by trades.
“Jacob Hopper and Tim Taranto are the two players, through no fault of their own, who are sort of caught up in all of this, both signed long-term deals,” Morris told SEN Breakfast.
“So Jacob Hopper came to the club and Richmond gave up a future-first rounder which is currently pick No. 3 to GWS and also pick 31 which the Giants used on Toby McMullin.
“Then the Tim Taranto deal was they traded picks 12 and 19 to GWS which was used on Elijah Hewitt (with West Coast) and Max Gruzewski.
“So this year in 2023 their first pick at the moment is pick 21.
“They are currently the second most experienced list in and the third oldest list.
“In 2021, they had five top 30 draft picks but none of those players yet have really kicked on.
“So the fallout is that they're quite old, they're quite experienced and yet they're 16th on the ladder and they don't have draft capital this year.
“So they might have to get creative in the trade period.”
Looking at Richmond’s list, the Tigers may need to be willing to let go of a quality player if they try and bring in early draft picks.
While he’s now a veteran of the competition, Morris, Kane Cornes and Nathan Buckley believe Dustin Martin would still hold serious value at the trade table.
The trio discussed whether the Tigers should consider letting their superstar move for draft picks this trade period.
Morris: “Does Dustin Martin have any trade value whatsoever? Now, he's got one year left on a lucrative deal.”
“So I'm not saying that a club is going to pick up his entire contract, but he's a bit like Nat Fyfe nearing the end of his career, who is out of contract.
“If Dustin Martin came to the club or Richmond said to Dustin Martin would there be suitors for him?”
Cornes: “100 per cent there would be.”
Buckley: “It might be a win-win.”
“Sometimes we look at this and we go, ’It’s, it's no good for the club. It's no good for Dusty, we want him to be a one club player’.
“I get the sense that Dustin Martin is as wedded to Richmond as anyone is to any side.
“But it actually could be something that he hasn't considered, go and play a couple of years at a club and give himself another chance to add to his amazing resume already.
“That might actually help Richmond in the short term as well and into the long term.
“So there can be win-wins with this.”
Morris: “I don't think it's any coincidence that Damien Hardwick's contract and Dustin Martin's contract are both aligned, to the end of 2024.”
“I think there's a bit to play out over the next 18 months as to where those two people go beyond Richmond.”
Cornes: “I think it's definitely a conversation worth having and one that will continue to be had.
“I think particularly if Richmond's form continues like this.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/01/could-trading-dustin-martin-be-a-win-win-for-both-club-and-player/
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Who knows what his contract $ would be in the final year. Whatever it is, it would be pretty hefty. We'd be having to pay a fair bit of it to get a decent pick out of anyone I would think. What if he went to Carlton or Geelong :chuck
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Who would want him at his current performance level?
Nobody would trade anything useful.
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Here we go again
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SUNS NOT KEEN ON DUSTY DESPITE PRIOR INTEREST
Gold Coast will not be a contender for Dustin Martin’s services even if the Tigers or the triple Norm Smith Medallist explore his options later this year.
Former Suns captain Wayne Campbell, now the Gold Coast footy boss, was in contact with Martin last year as he finished a season that saw him battling grief and recovering from an internal injury as he then battled repeat hamstring sprains.
Martin has only one year on his contract left – although at $1.2 million – which in theory makes it easier for a club to offer him a multi-year deal that would absorb the 2024 salary.
Martin turns 32 in June and has always been keen to play well into his 30s but has not had his usual game-altering affect on games this year despite high possession tallies as a forward.
But the Suns have worked so hard to fix their cap picture they will instead focus on retention of established stars despite their interest 12 months ago.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/moneyball-afl-trade-news-nick-daicos-signs-nike-deal-dustin-martin-future-contract-news/news-story/c902f7eff0389bb7e720d5c2297fbd14
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Yes I remember when Wayne Campbell was Suns captain before it was cool -- before it was a club even!
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Dusty as a forward isn't working. He's kicked less goals compared to previous years despite playing closer to goal. He's needed in the middle as well. There was passage in the 3rd quarter where Dusty got the centre clearance and set up a goal. Next centrebounce he wasn't in the centre square and the Suns got the easy clearance and quick reply. It was just an odd coaching move to move Dusty out of the middle straight after winning a clean centre clearance and a goal assist.
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Martin has been solid rather than spectacular at the Tigers this season.
But with Richmond posting just a win and a draw across their opening seven games, the Tigers are in desperate need of a dominant display from the three-time North Smith medallist.
Martin's return of 4.4 in front of goal is well down on his usual numbers, especially considering he's spending more time in attack this year.
Damien Hardwick said it was up to the rest of the team to ensure the forwards were getting better looks.
"Do we wish he (Martin) kicked some more goals up forward? Absolutely," Hardwick said.
"But are we helping him? Probably not.
"So I think what you will find is Dustin's a real barometer for us.
"If we're moving the ball and playing the way we want to play, lo and behold guys like Dustin and Shai will become better players because we're giving them an opportunity to play the way we want to play.
"I'm sure those players will respond when we get that right."
https://www.singletonargus.com.au/story/8184651/goals-on-the-menu-for-darling-and-dusty-at-the-mcg/
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Dusty is just missing those goals he used to nail like the snap in the 3rd quarter. Nice to see him finish off that one in the last.
At the moment he's having good games but still mortal. He's assisting others in scoring but he needs that game where everything he touches especially inside F50 turns to gold and generates a wave of momentum for us.
27 disposals (16k, 11h, 12c, 14u, 63% eff.)
4 marks
4 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
1 clearance
4 inside 50s
347 metres gained
2 intercepts
8 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
1 behind
84% time on ground
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He looked good, was running hard, tackling, playing tough.
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Had more midfield time! This is the way
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Had more midfield time! This is the way
This is the way.
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This is the way.
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Play him the midfield please for the love of god. Was excellent and in natural habitat.
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Was great today
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Love this man.
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This was in the HeraldSun ::).
Dustin Martin’s New Love Interest Linked To Disgraced Footy Player’s Wife
In the Herald Sun gossip column, The Source, it has been reported that Martin has embarked upon a relationship with Elli Johnston – the daughter of Carlton great Wayne Johnston.
Johnston is also the wife of former NRL player Brett Finch.
https://globeecho.com/news/australia/dustin-martins-new-love-interest-linked-to-disgraced-footy-players-wife/
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Wife or ex-wife?
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Care factor non existent
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He'll never reach 2017 levels again, but we saw closer to vintage Dusty tonight hugely impacting on the game and the scoreboard. Importantly, he nailed all the goals tonight he's been just narrowly missing this year.
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Best there is.
Best there was.
Best there ever will be.
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Dusty's game. A game high 9 score involvements and an assist along with his 4 goals.
19 disposals (14k, 5h, 7c, 12u, 68.4% eff.)
9 marks (2 contested marks)
3 tackles
2 clearances (1 centre clearance)
3 inside 50s
413 metres gained
9 score involvements
1 goal assist
4 goals
1 behind
84% time on ground
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Elite.
That last 50m snap must have brought back trauma for the cats
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Could be wrong but didn’t see him play much midfield at all.
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Dusty was equal second on the ground on Friday night for pressure acts.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv-mPFdaQAANKiN?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/merrrnique/status/1657225970598952960
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Could be wrong but didn’t see him play much midfield at all.
Afl.com.Au has him with 5 centre bounce attendances so I guess he did spend some time there? Taranto attended 25 and interestingly short attended 13!
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Could be wrong but didn’t see him play much midfield at all.
Afl.com.Au has him with 5 centre bounce attendances so I guess he did spend some time there? Taranto attended 25 and interestingly short attended 13!
Yeah too little imo. Would like to see him atleast spend 50% of his playing time in the middle.
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Back to his classic best
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sure was this week.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1656992958959452160
loved the fend off to shorty. What he could possibly be saying to the champion. Waste the full 30. hahaha
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IF ...
Dusty's four-goal performance in round nine was arguably his best game since the 2020 Grand Final
THEN ...
he's baaaaack. Hope he backs it up in Dreamtime on Saturday night.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/927436/if-trac-and-clarry-have-polled-137-votes-in-three-years-then
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Thought he was excellent, and McGrath played pretty well on him I thought. Was a great match up.
I think we missed a huge trick not playing him more in the midfield. Hardwick said he was going to spend more midfield and haven't seen him at all in there.
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He’s still good.
Not enough class around him now.
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Thought he was excellent, and McGrath played pretty well on him I thought. Was a great match up.
Certainly was a great match up
Would have made all the difference if that kick at the end of the 3rd had been a goal
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Thought he was excellent, and McGrath played pretty well on him I thought. Was a great match up.
Certainly was a great match up
Would have made all the difference if that kick at the end of the 3rd had been a goal
Would it? We’d have found a way to choke that extra goal anyway.
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Thought he was excellent, and McGrath played pretty well on him I thought. Was a great match up.
Certainly was a great match up
Would have made all the difference if that kick at the end of the 3rd had been a goal
Would it? We’d have found a way to choke that extra goal anyway.
As I am still bloody peeved, just trying to be a tad positive...
I know it ain't working :help
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Dusty is averaging 23.3 disposals and 2.3 goals per match over the past 3 weeks.
He was one of the Tigers’ best in their one-point loss to Essendon in last Saturday night’s Dreamtime at the ‘G’ clash, with 24 disposals, nine contested possessions, four inside-50s, two goals, an equal game-high nine score involvements, four intercepts, four tackles and 319 metres gained.
Across the entire season so far, Martin is averaging 21.2 disposals, 9.1 contested possessions, 5.0 marks, 5.0 inside-50s, 1.2 goals, 6.8 score involvements and 362.0 metres gained per game.
He is currently third on Richmond’s goalkicking list this year with 11 goals, behind Shai Bolton, 13 goals and Jack Riewoldt, 16 goals.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1337675/dusty-tracking-well
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From SEN:
Tom Morris questioned the impact this will have on superstar Dustin Martin.
A player who will go down as an all-time great, Martin has had Hardwick as his biggest supporter and defender who publicly backed in the three-time Norm Smith Medallist when he took leave last year.
“Damien Hardwick and Dustin Matin are indelibly linked,” Morris added.
“I’m not sure that Dustin Martin would have signed on long-term if Damien Hardwick wasn’t such a big supporter of him.
“Dustin Martin is out of contract at the end of next year and it remains to be see what will happen beyond that to his hunger and desire to play at the top level.
“He’s achieved everything there is to achieve.”
Hardwick was appointed in Martin's first year at Punt Road and the duo have shared all the highs and lows footy has to offer.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/22/how-hardwicks-exit-could-impact-tigers-star-and-the-awkward-talks-with/
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Such a grub Tom Morris.
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Such a grub Tom Morris.
How does he get the scoop? That's what I don't get. Who has the inside word and goes, "Tom Morris, that's who I'll give the story to." Barrett was at pains to repeatedly mention that it was Morris who broke the story -- like he was personally trying to resurrect his career or something.
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Such a grub Tom Morris.
How does he get the scoop? That's what I don't get. Who has the inside word and goes, "Tom Morris, that's who I'll give the story to." Barrett was at pains to repeatedly mention that it was Morris who broke the story -- like he was personally trying to resurrect his career or something.
They're probably mates, Hutchy has helped him out too
At the end of the day all he did was say it's a pity a hot chick is a lesbo. So what
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Such a grub Tom Morris.
How does he get the scoop? That's what I don't get. Who has the inside word and goes, "Tom Morris, that's who I'll give the story to." Barrett was at pains to repeatedly mention that it was Morris who broke the story -- like he was personally trying to resurrect his career or something.
They're probably mates, Hutchy has helped him out too
At the end of the day all he did was say it's a pity a hot chick is a lesbo. So what
Meh. I don't agree with your flippancy there (she was publicly outed), but not the day for that sort of debate.
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Such a grub Tom Morris.
How does he get the scoop? That's what I don't get. Who has the inside word and goes, "Tom Morris, that's who I'll give the story to." Barrett was at pains to repeatedly mention that it was Morris who broke the story -- like he was personally trying to resurrect his career or something.
They're probably mates, Hutchy has helped him out too
At the end of the day all he did was say it's a pity a hot chick is a lesbo. So what
Meh. I don't agree with your flippancy there (she was publicly outed), but not the day for that sort of debate.
Not by Morris she wasn't. He knew she was gay, told a few mates and one of them leaked it to the media who told the world.
Everyone leaks, everyone wants the scoop.
Live and let live
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Such a grub Tom Morris.
How does he get the scoop? That's what I don't get. Who has the inside word and goes, "Tom Morris, that's who I'll give the story to." Barrett was at pains to repeatedly mention that it was Morris who broke the story -- like he was personally trying to resurrect his career or something.
They're probably mates, Hutchy has helped him out too
At the end of the day all he did was say it's a pity a hot chick is a lesbo. So what
Meh. I don't agree with your flippancy there (she was publicly outed), but not the day for that sort of debate.
Not by Morris she wasn't. He knew she was gay, told a few mates and one of them leaked it to the media who told the world.
Everyone leaks, everyone wants the scoop.
Live and let live
Yeah, I never keep secrets when people entrust me with them. I've made a lot of lifelong friendships that way.
I take it back: Morris is a gentleman and a scholar. He's my kinda guy.
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:clapping
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::)
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Morris is employed by Hutchy
That's why the story was first head on SEN
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From the HeraldSun:
Dustin Martin is determined to honour the length of his contract with Richmond and is already considering playing on beyond the end of 2024.
Those close to the three-time Norm Smith Medallist made it clear on Tuesday that the 31-year-old would not be following coach Damien Hardwick out the door of Punt Road.
Martin’s connection with Hardwick was one of the reasons why he stayed at the club at the end of the 2017 season, which helped lead to a triple premiership-winning era for the Tigers.
That link has also been significant in Martin choosing to stay with the club in recent seasons when it looked likely he could move north.
But a source close to Martin told Moneyball that he remains “Richmond through and Richmond” and wanted to see out the terms of his much-talked about seven-year-deal, which he signed just before the 2017 finals series.
Martin’s body was in “immaculate condition” as he looks to get back to his best footy following some strong performances in the past few weeks.
He will reach 300 games if he plays on next season with the Tigers, which now seems likely, despite Hardwick’s exit and likely retirements of Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt.
Martin is said to be enjoying his footy, even if the Tigers have been struggling, though it is expected a few rival clubs could inquire about his availability at the end of the season.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/moneyball-all-the-latest-afl-trade-draft-and-contract-news/news-story/b67ce1ca78b6a489f95353940bde77ff
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The role Dimma played in the retention of Dustin at the club cannot be overstated. It was significant and it is one of the many reasons I am grateful for what Dimma did for the club.
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The media making things up again about Dusty to try and create a story ::).
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@tommorris32 says Gold Coast asked the question of Dustin Martin in last year's trade period...
Could they come knocking again? Would Dusty finish his career elsewhere?
https://twitter.com/SENBreakfast/status/1662944314882932736
DUSTIN MARTIN’S FUTURE ON THE AGENDA AS SUNS AGAIN LINKED TO SUPERSTAR
Lachlan Geleit
SEN
29 May 2023
Will Dustin Martin retire a one-club player?
While he’s contracted at the Tigers until the end of the 2024 season, SEN’s Tom Morris believes there is a world where he could leave the club at the end of the 2023 campaign.
Speaking to sources close to the superstar, Morris says there’s an attraction for Martin to one day live in Sydney or the Gold Coast.
After Gold Coast were said to have asked the question of Martin last season, Morris pondered whether they’d again go after the Tiger this trade period with one list manager suggesting the Suns could part with a top 10 pick for Martin with Richmond paying a chunk of his large salary.
“I think it’s time we had the Dustin Martin conversation, he’s out of contract at the end of 2024, he’ll be a free agent then,” Morris said on SEN Breakfast.
“There was enough chatter last week around clubland for me to put this on the agenda this morning.
“This is what we know, this is what we know for sure, Gold Coast asked the question last year, it didn’t go anywhere but Gold Coast asked the question.
“His salary next year as I understand it is about $1.2 million for 2024.
“His success is indelibly linked to Damian Hardwick, he won’t be there, and Trent Cotchin probably won’t be there either at Punt Road.
“Stuart Dew is not safe for the Suns, that’s true, he might keep his job but he’s not 100 per cent safe.
“Gold Coast’s salary cap is not as precariously placed as it was 12 months ago, partly because Jack Bowes was traded out to Geelong.
“I’m not saying they’ve got a lot of space but they’re not in as bad a position as they were 12 months ago.
“This is what we know about Dusty based on the people I speak to that know him far better than I do. The attraction of living in Sydney or the Gold Coast is real at some stage down the track, whether it’s soon or after he retires.
“The Tigers will look somehow to get back into the first round of the draft, at the moment their first pick is pick 23.
“Gold Coast, which has built a pretty good list, are likely to ask the question again.
“The view from one list manager I spoke to a couple of days ago is that the Suns could look to give up a top 10 pick for Dusty, which he’s probably not quite worth anymore, but Richmond would pay a large chunk of his salary next year.
“My question to you both is, can you see a world in which Dustin Martin is not at Richmond football club in 2024?”
In response to Morris, Kane Cornes and Nathan Buckley discussed a world where Martin moves this off-season, with both agreeing that any move would have to happen on the superstar’s terms.
Cornes: Yes (I can see him leaving) , but it, it's his call. I don't think it's Richmond's call.
“If he goes to the club and says this is what I want to do (they would let him) like Damien Harwick and their ability to let him stand down with what he has contributed to the club.
“He's going to be a legend and in the hall of fame, he goes with their blessing.
“Then you work out for Richmond, ‘Okay, how do we make the best of this situation?’, because they have traded all their picks.
“It would free up a big portion of their salary cap even if they paid some of Dustin Martin's wage.
“He's not at his absolute best, he’s been really good and really solid and for the first three quarters yesterday I thought, ‘Wow, he's the one that he's going to win them the game’, but then you don't see him in the last quarter.”
Buckley: “One thing I would suggest with that is once a stalwart like Damien Hardwick decides to step out, then everything's up for grabs.
“What it was, it's not what it's going to be because there's going to be a shift in perspective and a change in philosophy or direction.
“So, Dustin Martin could well end up wherever he wants to end up.”
Cornes: “It does amuse me though, that they're trying to get back into the first round of the draft.”
Morris: “Well, that's what other clubs expect them to do, I assume they’re having conversations with the Tigers.”
Cornes: “You've just traded all your picks away and they’ve traded pick four currently to GWS … how quickly your strategy changes.”
Morris: “I do agree with you that Dustin Martin has to start the conversation himself or a club has to come to Dustin Martin.
“The Tigers aren't going to start that conversation.”
Through 10 appearances in 2023 Martin is averaging 20.4 disposals, 1.3 goals and 4.5 inside 50s a game.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/28/dustin-martins-future-on-the-agenda-as-suns-again-linked-to-superstar/
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Speaking on RSN Breakfast on Monday morning, four-time premiership Hawk Jordan Lewis said he didn’t think Martin would be at Richmond next season.
Asked if he’d either play at a rival club or retire, Lewis said: “I think he’ll play elsewhere … Interstate, either Sydney or Queensland.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2023-dustin-martin-trade-updates-richmond-contract-gold-coast-suns-interest-sydney-swans/news-story/2a7dc94aa92d2f560519a7621af67a54
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What's that based on, Jordan?
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Leave the bloke alone ffs! Every year he's apparently leaving
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This talk is ridiculous click baiting as it is every year.
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If he wants to go and we can get something decent in return then good luck to him - owes us absolutely nothing..... :shh
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One media outlet makes up the story and then another runs with it as an "expected move" ::).
Richmond can’t stop Dustin Martin expected move: ‘He goes with their blessing’
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-cant-stop-dustin-martin-expected-move-he-goes-with-their-blessing-c-10801879
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The Match Review Officer has completed their review of Saturday's Round 11 match, with Dustin Martin offered a financial sanction.
Charge laid:
Dustin Martin, Richmond, has been charged with striking Port Adelaide's Daniel Houston during the second quarter of the Round 11 match between Richmond and Port Adelaide played at the MCG on Sunday, May 28, 2023. The incident was graded as intentional contact, low impact and body contact.
In summary, he can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
The incident was classified as a $3000 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $2000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1346747
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Dusty is rated #2 in the comp. this year as a forward (only behind Charlie Curnow) according to Daniel Hoyne at Champion Data.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/pure-footy-stats-gurus-david-king-and-daniel-hoyne-on-the-big-trends-ahead-of-round-12/news-story/33eaeb19d8355b033c6543966cc78310).
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Richmond adamant Dustin Martin has no plans to follow Damien Hardwick out the door
Nca Newswire/Foxsports
June 2nd, 2023 1:14 pm
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is as “invested” as he‘s ever been at the Tigers as speculation swirls about his future in the wake of coach Damien Hardwick’s shock departure.
Martin, 31, is contracted to Richmond until the end of 2024, but Hardwick’s decision to walk away as coach and the impending retirement of some of his closest teammates, including former captain Trent Cotchin, has created speculation about the Brownlow medallist’s future.
Last year Martin, who took an extended break to deal with his father’s death, was linked to a move to Sydney, and it’s also been revealed the Gold Coast Suns inquired about his availability.
Martin and Hardwick started their playing and coaching careers together at Punt Road in 2010, and their relationship was crucial to Richmond winning three premierships.
Earlier this week four-time Hawthorn premiership winner Jordan Lewis said he believed Martin would not finish his career at Richmond.
“I think (Martin) will play elsewhere … either (in) Sydney or Queensland,” he said on radio station RSN.
Hardwick has also been linked to taking over at the Suns next season.
But when that was put to Richmond caretaker coach Andrew McQualter, who has spent a decade at the Tigers before stepping up to replace Hardwick, he was adamant Martin was all in with the club.
He said annual speculation around Martin had always come to nothing.
“It‘s almost been three years in a row. We’re about the same time of the year where the chat about Dustin comes,” he said on Friday.
“Dustin’s in a terrific spot at the moment. He’s as invested as you could ever imagine in our footy club.
“He’s happy, he’s having a great time playing footy and he’s playing great footy for us as well.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/richmond-adamant-dustin-martin-has-no-plans-to-follow-damien-hardwick-out-the-door/news-story/37c49f81b6fb05367f656d42de9af847
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From Robbo's Tackle column under the title "likes" ...
2. WHERE’S DUSTY PLAYING NEXT YEAR?
Dustin Martin has a year to run on his $1 million-plus contract, and it’s understood he will analyse where his future lies in about eight weeks. That’s not hinting that he’s about to pack his bags and head north, which is what Hawks premiership champ Jordan Lewis declared he would be doing at season’s end. Lewis might be right, but which of Sydney, GWS, Brisbane and Gold Coast can pick up a $1.3 million one-year contract because Richmond won’t be paying any of it? And is Dusty worth that much? Maybe Sydney. On Sunday, Martin played his 280th game and if he fulfils his contract at Richmond, he would join Bartlett, Riewoldt, Edwards, Bourke and Cotchin (298 games) in the 300 club. Being the mysterious figure he is, we wouldn’t know if 300 games for the Tigers was a burning ambition, or whether joining a new club at 32 would be ideal either. He played mainly as a permanent forward against the Giants on Sunday and only attended three centre square bounces, and was even deep in defence at times, which is unlike Martin. The Tigers say he is invested, but without Damien Hardwick as coach, and probably Cotchin, and probably Riewoldt (retirement), Martin will have some thinking to do in eight weeks time.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-12/news-story/28a5e2e52d25575e846742898b1ec38d
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Sam McClure tonight still harping on about Dusty ::).
McClure first said Dusty shouldn't be at Richmond (you made up that BS claiming Dusty was going to leave last year, Sam :nopity).
He then tried to claim Dusty could play the next 3 years at Gold Coast for virtually the same salary he gets now for one year :huh3. Even Hutchy said it was the dumbest thing he has ever heard and asked McClure if he would come on the show (Footy Classified) for the next 3 years getting paid for just one year.
What an idiot! Let it go for goodness sake, Sam :stupid
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"He just can't be at Richmond next year."
Sam McClure's big call on Dustin Martin.
#9FootyClassified
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1665710117566955521
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Would hate to see him in another jumper.
Thing is with the age demographic of the list if he did go it would help if we got something decent for him.
Even the club has to admit this year is the last throw of the dice there will be no finals next year.
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McClure is so obsessed with dusty, frightening/sad to see
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Sam McClure has decided that instead of just doing his job of reporting the news, he has to BE the news. :-\
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Jon Ralph on twitter:
From Moneyball last week. Dusty Martin determined to play on past his current deal. Happy at RFC. Of course things can change but why the hell would he take a pay cut on a new multi-year deal? And why would Tigers pay any of his deal to play anywhere else?
Dusty had a chat to Wayne Campbell last year. Martin stayed. Suns have just fixed their cap position so while they could ask again there is absolutely no reason why Martin should accept a discount on the $1.2m-$1.3m he is owed next year. At Richmond or another club
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun
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Dusty is set to receive an AFL Life Membership after reaching 300 games this weekend.
281* premiership games
18 pre-season games
1 State of Origin.
:clapping :bow
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‘Are you fair dinkum?’ Hosts at war as $1.4m Dusty trade idea ‘dumbest argument ever heard’
News.com.au
June 6th, 2023
A radical call to trade Richmond superstar Dustin Martin, and get him to take $100,000 to play an extra two seasons, has been shut down as “the dumbest argument ever heard.”
Martin is contracted to the end of 2024 on a back-loaded deal believed to be worth around $1.4 million next year.
The 31-year-old is in the twilight of his career and has previously been linked to a move away from Melbourne, with the Sydney Swans and Gold Coast Suns floated as destinations.
But given the three-time premiership player is past his prime, the Tigers have been urged to trade Martin to free up salary cap space.
“He just can’t be at Richmond next year,” journalist Sam McClure said on Nine’s Footy Classified.
“They should have found a way to move him on the end of last year. He was keen on looking elsewhere. There were clubs that were coming with contracts for him.”
Kane Cornes said it would be a “big call” to dump Martin and open the Tigers to “backlash to trading one of your greatest ever”.
Martin is on track to notch up 300 games next season and will go down as one of Richmond’s best ever players.
“One of your greatest ever, legend in the Hall of Fame one day, can’t be at Richmond next year,” Cornes said.
“Why can’t he be there? It’s not as if he’s playing poorly. Is there a buyer?”
McClure said Martin leaving Richmond to play at another club “wouldn’t change his legacy one bit” but was crucial to freeing up salary cap space.
“He’s on $1.4 million Kane,” McClure said.
“This is the same club you’ve criticised for spending money on (Tim) Taranto and (Jacob) Hopper. They’ve got Dustin there on $1.4 million when they could have negotiated a trade to clear that salary cap.
“There is not one person at Richmond, not one supporter that would begrudge Dustin Martin for finishing his career somewhere else.”
McClure agreed trading Martin “looks bad now if they did it because it’s mixed messaging”. “I’m just saying going into next year with him being the age that he is on $1.4 million,” he said.
While Stuart Dew has the Gold Coast Suns in the hunt for a maiden finals appearance, former Tigers coach Damien Hardwick has been mentioned as a candidate to take over the Suns.
“I don’t think he’s a great choice for the Suns for where they are and the players they’ve got coming through,” co-host Craig Hutchison said.
“But you can understand from an AFL point of view, a marketing sense. I’m not sure the Suns and AFL would necessarily be aligned on this one. And it would need AFL money.”
But McClure insisted Martin could leave the Tigers and go to the Suns on significantly less money.
“Hutchy, you’re deal-maker and a modern thinker in this sense. His deal can be scrunched up like a piece of paper and thrown in the bin,” he said.
“Gold Coast Suns give him say three years at $500,000, just over the average salary. That gives his $1.5 million.”
But Hutchison disagreed, firing back: “He’s going to play two more years and earn the same money? What commercial world are you living in? Are you fair dinkum?”
McClure: “Three years at 500 grand?”
Hutchison: “Versus $1.4 million? Give me a spell. That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard.”
McClure: “Are you going to let me finish my sentence before you continue?”
Hutchison: “I don’t think it’s worth doing.”
Boom, mic drop. Hutchy 1, McClure 0.
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd said he believes Martin will “see out his career at Richmond”.
“Unless you’re thinking he’s going to help you win the flag, I don’t see how another club takes him next season,” Lloyd said.
“I don’t think the Suns should take Dustin Martin. I don’t think the Sydney Swans should take Dustin Martin.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/are-you-fair-dinkum-hosts-at-war-as-14m-dusty-trade-idea-dumbest-argument-ever-heard/news-story/8d150c8402f70588b84a179c644e195d
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I don't get that statement that Martin's contract is heavily back ended
When the Martin contract was up for grabs, and North were chasing him hard, it co-incided with the media rights negotiations. So we had this huge amount of funds and as a result of that and North offering big $ my understanding is that forward loaded the contract and his actual $ in the last few years was much lower. Much lower than the !.4m McClure is stating
This also helped when we got Lynch. We back ended his contract so that as Martin's $ declined Lynch's increased.
Anyway I am probably totally wrong
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I think Sammy is one dumb stuff that’s what I think.
Can someone pass that on when they message him on twitter or whatever rubbish platform that flog is on.
1.5 salary vrs 500k per year x 3. Dusty has to work 2 years for $200k total. Less saving if it’s 2 year contract elsewhere.
He stays and he will likely be on 400k in 2025 anyway.
Yeah okay let’s all do that deal. :lol
Cornes is actually making sense. After his piece on baker I’m starting to think he may have swapped seats with Maclure.
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Garry Lyon, Jonathan Brown and Eddie Betts were saying post-game that you can see Dusty is as full invested as ever and given his huge numbers last night he only needs to really impact the scoreboard (turn those 3 behinds into goals) to be back near his scarily best.
35 disposals (22k, 13h, 11c, 17u, 51.4% eff.)
2 marks
3 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
6 clearances (1 centre clearance)
8 inside 50s
514 metres gained
3 intercepts
8 score involvements
1 goal assist
3 behinds
89% time on ground
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Still got it.
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‘Head’s in the game’: Promising Dusty sign amid speculation around future
Fox Footy
June 20th, 2023
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin looks “invigorated” under caretaker coach Andrew McQualter, according to Fox Footy pundits, amid questions around his future at Punt Road.
Speculation swirled around Martin’s next move after long-time coach Damien Hardwick’s shock mid-season departure from the Tigers, having started their careers alongside each other at Richmond in 2010 and playing crucial roles in its three premiership triumphs.
Martin, 31, who’s contracted until the end of 2024, took an extended absence from the club last year to deal with his father’s death, while he’s previously been linked to Sydney and the Gold Coast.
But according to triple-premiership winning Lion Jonathan Brown, Martin’s brilliant last fortnight — racking up 27 touches and one goal and 35 disposals and three goals respectively under caretaker coach Andrew McQualter — is some of his best form in years.
“I think he’s had a pretty good season, but definitely the last two weeks,” Brown said of Martin on Fox Footy’s On the Couch.
“When you look at his body language, his investment in the game and his energy around his teammates and the defensive side of things.
“Once his starts (consistently) hitting the scoreboard, he’ll be back to his level we saw two or three years ago.
“(Against the Saints was) the first time he’s had over 30 disposals since Round 5 of 2021 — that was against St Kilda also. He’s getting back into the midfield, like (Trent) Cotchin ... I just think he looks invigorated.”
Former Melbourne skipper Garry Lyon highlighted a moment inside the last two minutes of the Tigers’ win over the Saints where Martin sprinted back defensively, labelling it the “best sign” of Richmond’s joyous night where it also saluted former skipper Cotchin’s 300th game in style.
“The reaction of Dustin Martin here to snap into defensive mode and to start directing traffic ... it was instantaneous, his head’s in the game,” Lyon told On the Couch.
“Of everything I saw (in Richmond’s win over St Kilda), that was the best sign at the end of it.”
The Tigers as a collective have looked re-energised under McQualter, going 3-1 to revive their season, climbing into ninth place and just half a game behind the eighth-placed Crows.
McQualter, who’s been at the club for nearly 10 years, earlier this month said Martin was as “invested” as he’s ever been.
“It‘s almost been three years in a row. We’re about the same time of the year where the chat about Dustin comes,” he said.
“Dustin’s in a terrific spot at the moment. He’s as invested as you could ever imagine in our footy club.
“He’s happy, he’s having a great time playing footy and he’s playing great footy for us as well.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2023-dustin-martin-future-contract-good-form-body-language-richmond-tigers-win-over-st-kilda-saints-reaction-response-latest-news/news-story/3fd6f6106a136ee6c903761f2113ac2f
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Dusty days: Has star Tiger been reborn under new coach?
Jon Pierik
The Age
June 24, 2023 — 4.00pm
Dustin Martin has turned back the clock and been given greater licence to spend more time further afield, as the Tigers work towards a finals “miracle” under caretaker coach Andrew McQualter.
Martin, 31, was particularly influential in the Tigers’ two wins heading into this weekend’s mid-season bye, having 27 disposals against Fremantle and 35 against St Kilda, the latter the first time he has had at least 30 touches since round five, 2021, also against the Saints.
However, it’s where Martin has been used which has been noted by rival clubs, for he has spent a greater percentage of his time in the midfield over the past fortnight (80.6 per cent) than he had through the opening 12 rounds (67.7 per cent).
There has been a significant change in his time inside 50, dropping from 30.9 per cent to 14.5 per cent over the past fortnight.
While still a relatively low percentage, the Tigers great has also found himself venturing into defensive 50 more often, this escalating from 1.3 per cent to 4.8 per cent.
This balance over the past fortnight aligns more with his 2017 Brownlow Medal year, when he spent 75.8 per cent of his time in the midfield, 18.4 per cent up forward and 5.8 per cent defensively, enjoying one of the greatest individual seasons of all time, capped with a breakthrough Richmond premiership and the first of his three Norm Smith medals.
Tigers great, and now senior advisor, Neil Balme said Martin had been instructed to venture further afield.
“Yes, he is doing a bit more midfield stuff, as well as playing up the field as a forward,” Balme said.
“Today’s footy, wherever the ball is, virtually everyone is within a kick of it, no matter where they are. You have to go to encourage them to get nearer the ball, and he is doing that very well.
“And a couple of the other teams haven’t really played as tightly on him because he does that, and that does make it a bit easier for him.”
However, there may be a trade-off with Martin’s rejigged role, for he has been goalless over the past three weeks, including the past fortnight. He had 13 through the opening 11 rounds, including four from only 19 touches in a four-goal win over Geelong in round nine.
Martin, whether through age, fitness, injury or pure class, has been seen as more of a forward in recent seasons, regularly playing forward of centre, but his toughness in the contest, penetrating kick and poise mean he can be influential across the entire field, particularly with the Tigers now looking to win more clearances.
“He can play a bit,” Balme said facetiously.
Martin is enjoying his football under McQualter, and the Tigers remain confident he will be at the club next year and complete the final year of his contract.
The Tigers, having had only three wins and a draw and slipping to 14th on the ladder before Damien Hardwick quit after round 10, have won three straight, and are within a game of the top eight, as they prepare to head to Brisbane and face the Lions in a Thursday night blockbuster.
They will need to win six, possibly seven, of their final nine home-and-away games to claim what had seemed an unlikely finals berth.
“The players have responded really positively to the fact we needed to recover our position, and we have done really well. It would be a miracle [to make finals] going forward, but we haven’t given up on the hope of a miracle because our best has always been pretty good, and we are starting to deliver it a bit more now,” Balme said.
McQualter has begun to stamp his own imprint on the game plan. Champion Data analysis shows the Tigers have leapt from 14th to fifth for disposal differential over the past month, opting to hold on to the ball more through uncontested possessions, while also curbing their mark-play on percentage.
There is a greater emphasis on clearance differential, vaulting from 16th after round 10 to eighth. Under three-time premiership coach Hardwick, winning clearances was not a priority.
The Tigers have also surged from 15th for points from forward-half intercepts to fourth, and from last to third for scores per inside 50 percentage.
“All those things, that’s exactly what Damien would have been doing anyway because the numbers are the numbers, and our style is our style,” Balme said.
“What do the numbers tell you? We have to improve our stoppage clearances, or hold the ball more in our forward line, or whatever it is.
“While Andrew has come in, he hasn’t changed the way we have played. Obviously, it’s slightly different because he has a slightly different way of presenting it, but we are still virtually playing the same game, the assistant coaches are still all doing their jobs similarly.
“We have elevated Kane Lambert to do ‘Mini’s’ [McQualter’s] job, and Mini is doing Damien’s job. It’s not that different and the players have really responded well to it.”
Should McQualter, 37, deliver a finals berth, the highly rated assistant, and one-time St Kilda and Gold Coast player, will have even stronger claims to permanently win the top role.
“What Andrew has been doing has been really good. His relationship with the players has been fantastic, he has challenged them well and a slightly different voice is sometimes a positive,” Balme said.
The Tigers are hopeful star midfielder Jacob Hopper (calf) will return on Thursday after a five-week absence, but there is no timeline for key forward Tom Lynch. Balme said he hoped Lynch will play again this year, but the Jack Dyer medallist is still working his way back from a fractured foot.
DUSTY DAYS
Rounds F50 % Mid% D50%
1-12: 30.9 67.7 1.3
13-14: 14.5 80.6 4.8
2017: 18.4 75.8 5.8
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-days-has-star-tiger-been-reborn-under-new-coach-20230624-p5dj4l.html
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Dusty is going no where. Wants to be a proud 300 game one team player. Fact . All journos talking crap should be sued
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Dusty is going no where. Wants to be a proud 300 game one team player. Fact . All journos talking crap should be sued
Did you make him an offer he couldn't refuse? :shh
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Lmao I wish I could say I did. But no. His issues were not purely his dad's death. A lot more to it which I cannot reveal here
He lives Richmond. But hates the AFL and media.
All i will say his leave wasn't for bereavement, but other issues. Nothing sinister. More moral.
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Loves Richmond*
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AFL Rich 100: Dustin Martin remains the highest paid player in the AFL as he completes the final stages of his $9 million deal
Dustin Martin is on the fattest contract in the AFL and has delivered more than Richmond could have ever hoped for. But the deal is coming to an end and all eyes are on his next move.
Jay Clark, Glenn McFarlane, Sam Landsberger and Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
June 25, 2023
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has the fattest contract in the game this year as he looks to fulfil the final component of his whopping $9 million deal at Richmond next season.
The champion forward is on at least $1.25m-$1.35m in 2023 to edge out Fremantle’s dual Brownlow medallist Nat Fyfe ($1.05m-$1.15m) as the AFL’s top earner, according to the AFL Rich 100 List.
Eagles’ intercept king Jeremy McGovern, midfield teammate Tim Kelly and inspirational Western Bulldogs’ captain Marcus Bontempelli are all on $1m-$1.1m, meaning bottom-placed West Coast has two of the top-five highest-paid players in the game as they sink towards the worst-ever finish in the club’s history.
Powerhouse Melbourne pair Clayton Oliver and Christian Petracca, who have signed bumper long-term deals to stay at the club until at least 2029, are sixth and seventh on about $950,000-$1.05m each.
Geelong premiership spearhead Jeremy Cameron has reaped the rewards of his move to the Cattery both on and off the field, while Richmond premiership key forward and best-and-fairest winner Tom Lynch and flying Collingwood defender Darcy Moore round out the top 10.
Moore is the only defender inside the top 10, while there are four GWS Giants playmakers hovering next in line in a sign of the enormous salary cap pressures which forced the club to jettison Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper to the Tigers last year.
Martin, 31, turned down as much as $1.5 million per season from North Melbourne when he re-signed the whopping contract at Tigerland on the back of his stunning Brownlow Medal season in 2017.
And despite a persistent hamstring injury last season on the back of serious kidney injury in 2021, Martin has delivered incredible bang for buck on the historic deal, helping to guide Richmond to three premierships.
In that stunning stretch since the start of 2017, the aggressive playmaker has won three Norm Smith Medals and ranked fifth in the league for score involvements and inside 50s, according to Champion Data.
Only Tom Hawkins and Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong), Jack Macrae and Bontempelli (Bulldogs) and Petracca (Melbourne) have racked up more score involvements in that time, showcasing Martin’s lethal impact in the forward half.
There was speculation Martin would consider leaving Richmond for the final season of his contract next year, in a bid to help reinvigorate the Tigers’ list following the departure of coach Damien Hardwick.
But Martin’s manager Ralph Carr, who orchestrated the $9 million deal at Richmond after two meetings with North Melbourne’s senior leaders, has denied Martin is interested in a fresh start north of the border, barring a shock backflip from his client.
The two Sydney clubs as well as Gold Coast have been linked to a move on Martin to help the tattooed cult figure escape the Melbourne football fishbowl, but Carr has been adamant Martin is fully invested at Punt Rd.
In any case, Martin would likely have to accept a considerable pay cut to move elsewhere for next season, regardless of any AFL ambassador payments which could be added on top of a new salary at a franchise club.
Martin is again expected to be at the top end of footy’s pay rankings next year with an expected salary of $1.2m-$1.3m as Richmond’s highest-paid player.
But goal kicking midfielder Shai Bolton is expected to close the pay gap on Martin in 2024 after receiving a considerable pay rise in his whopping five-year contract extension which Bolton signed last season in recognition for his supreme midfield talents.
Martin has again been one of the Tigers’ most damaging and consistent players this season, averaging 21 disposals and one goal a game through the first 12 matches of the home-and-away rounds.
Speculation is certain to swirl around whether Martin will play on beyond this deal when it concludes in late 2024, but any decision seems unlikely until later next season as the Tigers adjust to a new coach and chase another finals appearance.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-rich-100-dustin-martin-remains-the-highest-paid-player-in-the-afl-as-he-completes-final-stages-of-9-million-deal/news-story/60b64767ab7710a2f060e1009b0a412f
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Would Dusty take a pay cut for a fresh start?
There is one more year to run on Dustin Martin’ $9 million deal at Richmond, but speculation about finishing his career at another club won’t go away. What would a move cost him?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rich-100-dustin-martin-remains-the-highest-paid-player-in-the-afl-as-he-completes-final-stages-of-9-million-deal/news-story/60b64767ab7710a2f060e1009b0a412f
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Dusty is going nowhere.
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The champ is 32 today :birthday
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1673103130777763840
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Happy Birthday Normy!
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To this stage of the season, Martin is averaging 21.9 disposals, 8.8 contested possessions, 4.4 marks, 4.8 inside-50s, 1.0 goal, 6.7 score involvements and 354.2 metres gained per game.
The only other player in the competition with an average of more than 20 disposals and a goal a game is Martin’s Tiger teammate Shai Bolton (22.1 disposals, 1.4 goals).
Martin has accomplished that elite statistical feat 10 times throughout his magnificent AFL career.
Martin also is now equal with Tiger great Matthew Richardson on the Club’s all-time games’ list with 282 games, and he’s kicked a total of 316 goals.
Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1366125/dusty-primed
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Dimma talking about Dusty:
Hardwick dedicated a portion of time to discussing one of his favourite sons at Punt Road in Martin, an enigmatic character who played a paramount role in delivering the ultimate club success to Tigers fans, three times over.
"I remember walking up on stage (when Martin was drafted in 2009) and he had to get into his Richmond jersey, I'm not even sure he knew I was the coach, to be fair, at that stage, he threw his (other) top at me and I caught his top and he put the [Richmond] one on and shook his hand," laughed a reminiscing Hardwick.
"He's a very, very quiet guy, but the one thing, there's a reason players are superstars, I reckon, don't get me wrong, they're talented, but they work harder than anyone else, like [Martin] as a player was naturally talented but people didn't realise how hard he worked.
"He had an ability, every year he would work on something to get better at something, whether it was physically, or mentally, or spiritually, he'd always do something to have an aim over the off-season to get better, and that's why he's one of the greatest players to ever play the game, and I sit there and watch him and the things that he does, you're just amazed at.
"We watch from different angles and different bits of vision, and the way he can see the game unfolding and the things that he can do are just special."
Hardwick revealed he's recently been in contact with Martin via text message, sharing a message regarding Martin's positive aura at the football club in recent times.
"The pleasing thing is, he texted me the other night and I texted him back, I said 'Mate, the best thing I've seen from you in the last couple of weeks is [you're] back, smiling, [you're] back engaged and [you're] loving footy again', which is really important," said Hardwick.
"He's just not quite kicking his goals at the moment but that'll come, he's getting his touches but ... he'll get it."
https://www.zerohanger.com/damien-hardwick-lauds-unheralded-heros-role-in-uplifting-dustin-martin-laments-guilt-over-early-jason-castagna-retirement-139072/
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Vintage performance by the champ. Loved the fend off and goal. :bow
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How ace seeing how invested Dusty was tonight during the song at the end? Tiger for life. 🐯
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The champ. :bow
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Dusty is happy and we know why
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Tigers superstar Dustin Martin intent on honouring Tigers contract
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
July 7, 2023
Dustin Martin is intent on crashing through the 300-game barrier as a one-club Richmond star honouring his contract to the Tigers then playing well into his 30s.
Martin, who returned to the Tigers side against Sydney on Thursday, has rebounded strongly from a 2022 season where he battled grief over his father’s death and recurring hamstring strains.
In what has been an “almost” season for Martin, he has ranked elite in disposals but entering the Sydney clash had 13 goals from 39 total shots (including three posters) and just three goals from 15 snaps at goal.
But Richmond believes Martin is invested as ever and confident in a body that has seen him miss only the round 3 clash with hamstring awareness and last week’s loss with flu-like symptoms.
Martin is due more than $1.3 million next year in the final season of his seven-season contract amid constant speculation about whether he might jump ship.
But the 32-year-old needs only 17 more games after the Sydney clash to hit the 300-game milestone at Richmond achieved by only Trent Cotchin, Kevin Bartlett, Francis Bourke, Jack Dyer, Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards.
Any rival who wanted to secure Martin would need to pay the full $1.3 million for next year then offer more years at a lofty rate, with few clubs in the premiership window able to afford that fee.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/tigers-superstar-dustin-martin-intent-on-honouring-tigers-contract/news-story/794d426143171ea56c55a97e6070fc7d
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As I've said, Dusty is going no where and never has contemplated going.
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A couple of Dusty's laser-like passes :bow.
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Sublime performance. Taught Sydney a real lesson.
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LIKES - DUSTY DOMINANCE
Scott Gullan
HeraldSun
9 July 2023
It wouldn’t have been good reading for Sydney coach John Longmire but a certain stat says a lot about Dustin Martin and where he’s at.
Clearances in the second half of Thursday night’s game were alarming reading. Richmond won the count 29-12 with centre clearances even a more eye-opening 10-1.
Leading the charge was Martin who had six clearances with Jacob Hopper next on five while Dion Prestia, Tim Taranto and Shai Bolton all had four. The best Swan was James Rowbottom with three.
The stat provided further evidence of how committed and involved Martin seems to be as the Tigers continue to battle to keep their finals hopes flickering. There were many who thought after Damien Hardwick’s exit and the sense a dynasty was ending that the superstar’s buy-in might also drift away.
But as he showed in a match-winning second half against Sydney, Dusty is more than up for the fight.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/early-tackle-all-the-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-17-of-the-afl/news-story/cddc766d4ba5f31e65a2ae9f6381d848
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"He is performing 30 per cent better against the top 8 teams compared to the bottom 10."
- Daniel Hoyne on Dustin Martin's strong form
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1678685109665546240
"He's only gone into centre bounce 53 per cent of the time this year..but he's still the number one centre bounce player in the game. We need to celebrate him."
- Daniel Hoyne on Dustin Martin
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1678685476683935744
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Not sure of that last stat?
This stats site says Dusty only has 14.2% CBA this year. Unless Hoyne meant since McQualter has taken over as coach?
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https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_player_profile.html?ID=22f49f
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WHY WE SHOULD CELEBRATE AND APPRECIATE WHAT DUSTIN MARTIN IS PUTTING TOGETHER IN 2023
Andrew Slevison
SEN
12 July 2023
Richmond’s Dustin Martin is putting together a very strong season.
That is according to Champion Data’s numbers with leading analyst Daniel Hoyne suggesting we must celebrate what Martin is doing in 2023.
The three-time Norm Smith Medallist was below his best in both 2021 and 2022, due to multiple factors, but is back playing quality footy for the Tigers this year.
Hoyne outlined Martin’s stats as a forward and what he is doing against top eight teams as opposed to his performances against clubs outside the eight.
“I just want to celebrate what this guy’s doing,” Hoyne said on SEN’s Sportsday.
“I think quite often with someone who has performed at the levels he has for such a long time we can actually overlook what they are delivering.
“The fact that he’s played 88 per cent of forward time this year and is averaging 22 disposals, that hasn’t been done by a forward in five years.
“He’s in rare air in terms of that ability.
“The beauty about his profile at the moment is that against top eight teams, compared to bottom 10 teams, he’s performing 30 per cent better against the best.
“He’s kicked 10 goals against the best this year. Only four against the bottom 10.”
It is by no means Martin’s best overall season, but his top footy in this his 14th year has been quite fearsome for and rather damaging for opponents.
The other major string to the 32-year-old’s bow in 2023, which has been with him his entire career, is his ability to impact at the centre bounce.
“The other side to his game I want to give credit to is he’s only gone in for 53 centre bounces this year,” Hoyne added.
“He’s the number one centre bounce player in the competition.
“When he goes in there, Richmond are winning the centre bounce clearance 56 per cent of the time. AFL number 1.
“What this guy is doing, we do need to celebrate it. I understand that it is hard to compare to (his) previous seasons, but what he’s doing this year needs to be recognised.
“He could be an All-Australian smokey, still.”
All-Australian selector Kane Cornes floated Martin’s chances of picking up a fifth AA blazer.
“I reckon there’s a real opportunity - and you could call him a small forward - in that spot,” Cornes said.
“Charlie Cameron has only kicked five goals in the last five weeks. Toby Greene is enormous, tick.
“Probably Christian Petracca who has had that spot before, and if he continues to play forward that’s a problem that can be solved by putting him forward.
“But there’s a spot there.”
Hoyne says Champion Data has him right in the mix in terms of the 2023 All-Australian select.
“It’s pretty open,” Hoyne added.
“He’s fourth at the moment for his position, so he’s very, very close,”
“It’s 88 per cent forward time that he’s played this year, so if you pick him in the forward pocket, people can’t argue.”
Martin produced arguably his best game of the season when compiling 29 disposals, 14 contested possessions, eight score involvements, six clearances, five inside 50s and a late sealing goal in the 13-point win over Sydney last weekend.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/07/11/why-we-should-celebrate-and-appreciate-what-dustin-martin-is-putting/
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Here's the video of Hoyne:
Is Dustin Martin making a late run for an All-Australian spot in 2023?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1678964652024426496
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Fox Footy saying Dusty might be in trouble with the MRO for a backhander/elbow to the guts off the ball.
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Fine only
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Fox Footy saying Dusty might be in trouble with the MRO for a backhander/elbow to the guts off the ball.
Yep, probably a fine
Just bloody stupid
And cost us a chance to go deep inside 50
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Not stupid, the question must be asked, why did he do it !!
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Here's the vision of the incident:
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680488583046594562
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Dustin Martin under MRO scrutiny for elbow off the ball
Brad Elborough
HeraldSun
16 July 2023
Richmond players were clearly frustrated by their wayward kicking in the first half against West Coast.
And Tigers star Dustin Martin could find himself in hot water as a result.
Having added 0.2 of the 3.8 that the Tigers had on the board midway through the second quarter, Martin appeared to throw his elbow back in the midriff of Eagles defender Alex Witherden, who dropped to his knees.
The incident happened behind play and was enough for the umpires to pay a free kick to West Coast up the ground.
It will almost certainly be looked at by the MRP, but it appears that the force was not enough to attract a suspension.
Although Fox Sports commentator Jonathan Brown thinks otherwise.
“I’m not sure the MRO is going to be very happy about that one,” Brown said.
“It depends on where he’s hit him. From the reaction from Witherden, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a week for that.”
Martin has had another impressive season, and is building as he gets a sniff of finals. But he’s struggled in front of goals. The two behinds, both from set shots, taking his season’s tally at that stage of the game to 14.17.
He kicked his 15th goal, from the goal line, late in the third term.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-west-coast-v-richmond-dustin-martin-under-mro-scrutiny-for-elbow-off-the-ball/news-story/1231dc8330c8d9e1cc2519dce1bb26ee
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A fine.
Low impact and low contact
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Media will do its best to give him a week .
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Dusty's form is becoming ominous
Richmond champion Dustin Martin has always saved his absolute top-shelf performances for when it really matters, and his recent showings would suggest he wants those big-stage opportunities again. Martin's form has been significant in the Tigers' 5-1 run since round 12, and he capped an excellent month on Sunday with 23 disposals, four clearances and two goals against West Coast on Sunday. With recent possession tallies of 27, 35 and 29 before Sunday, it has been the triple Norm Smith medallist's best ball-winning month since late 2019. Finals remain within reach for Martin and the Tigers, and we know what he can do there. – Nathan Schmook
https://www.afl.com.au/news/969185/nine-things-we-learned-max-s-masterclass-is-bad-for-brodie
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From the HeraldSun:
McQualter praised Martin’s performance and questioned whether he has anything to worry about as a result of the incident.
“I think Dustin is putting together a pretty impressive season; just the numbers he’s able to consistently produce, but also the way he impacts games in different ways, which is probably hard to justify at times,” he said.
“But he really controls the tone of our defence, which might sound surprising to some but yeah, the energy he gives us I think he’s in a great patch of form, hungry player always looking to get better.
“I know it happened. We don’t want any of those actions to cost us off the ball. Because ultimately it hurts the team.
“But Dustin knows that. He would have known straight away. I’m not sure there’s anything too much further in it, is there?
"Hopefully, it doesn’t happen again, it costs the team.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-west-coast-v-richmond-dustin-martin-under-mro-scrutiny-for-elbow-off-the-ball/news-story/1231dc8330c8d9e1cc2519dce1bb26ee).
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Umpires have a duty of care to protect players and set the tone for the game, he is held onto and hassled all the time, umpires ignore it and the guy puts on a Hollywood show, pathetic.
The AFL will process it and Dusty may be in trouble thanks to poor umpiring IMHO.
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AFL ALLRIGHT.
didnt josh rachelle do the same thing in the crows game?
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Just seen the footage lol
Was softer than Cox's emblow on Vickery which the umps didn't care for.
It's a fine at worst.
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Dustin Martin is in his best form since Richmond’s 2020 premiership year.
The Tigers superstar has produced good performances right throughout the 2023 season, but he’s gone to another level in his past four games averaging 28.5 disposals, 4.7 marks, 6.7 inside-50s, 4.7 clearances, 8.7 score involvements, 4.0 stoppage clearances and 464.5 metres gained.
He is one of only four players in the competition so far this season to be averaging more than 20 disposals (22.5) and one goal (1.1) per game.
Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1383293/dusty-hits-another-purple-patch
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Dusty fined $3000.
Source: Tom Brown on 7news.
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Charges laid:
Dustin Martin, Richmond, has been charged with striking West Coast's Alex Witherden during the second quarter of the Round 18 match between Richmond and West Coast played at Optus Stadium on Sunday, July 16, 2023. The incident was graded as intentional contact, low impact and body contact.
The incident was classified as a $5000 sanction as a second offence. In summary, Martin can accept a $3000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1383300/martin-pickett-fined-by-mro
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Charges laid:
Dustin Martin, Richmond, has been charged with striking West Coast's Alex Witherden during the second quarter of the Round 18 match between Richmond and West Coast played at Optus Stadium on Sunday, July 16, 2023. The incident was graded as intentional contact, low impact and body contact.
The incident was classified as a $5000 sanction as a second offence. In summary, Martin can accept a $3000 sanction with an early plea.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1383300/martin-pickett-fined-by-mro
Marlion getting fined for the McGovern shepherd a joke, the WCE boys were into Marlion from the start of the game
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Robbo on AFL360 tonight sooking about Dusty not being suspended.
"I feel because it's Dustin Martin, he got off."
Robbo believes Dusty was treated differently by the Match Review because of who he is.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680879416191119360
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I notice witherden touched Dusty first, who knows, Witherden might be a pincher ?
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‘Everyone do it, who cares?!’ Host blows up as Dusty avoids ‘cheap shot’ ban ‘because he’s Dusty’
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
July 17th, 2023 9:46 pm
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has been slammed for his “cheap shot” elbow by Fox Footy’s Mark Robinson, who warned the AFL had set a dangerous precedent by only handing the Tiger a fine.
Martin escaped a ban for his off-the-ball elbow that dropped Eagle Alex Witherden to the turf during the win over West Coast on Sunday.
And the Match Review’s finding left Robinson fuming as he labelled Martin’s actions “unacceptable”.
“If you flagrantly send an elbow back into the darkness, I know it only hit him (in the chest), but if you send it back, you lose your right to play,” Robinson said on AFL 360.
“Because that’s not in the rules to flail an elbow back.
“What if it’s flicked up and hit him in the jaw? ‘Sorry I didn’t mean to do it’ – you did it!
“The AFL says ‘Nah it’s OK Dusty, you’ll be right, the contact wasn’t really severe’.
“So we’re going to allow that kids!
“All you kids out there, do it this weekend. (Co-host Gerard Whateley interjects: “Don’t say that!”) But this is the problem, Gerard.
“They’ll see it, and they’ll do it.
“He’s guilty, suspend him.”
While admitting he was being “facetious” by calling on kids to copy Martin’s moves, Robinson was left angered by the $3000 fine handed to the Tiger with an early guilty plea.
“The swinging elbow back has always been frowned upon. It’s a pretty cheap shot,” he lamented.
“To flail back to a guy who’s not expecting it.
“The AFL should have said, ‘No you’re out Dusty, you can sit. We don’t care who you are, that’s unacceptable in our game’.
“And kids don’t do that.
“The point I was making now, I was being facetious, if we’re going to allow that and not be a suspension, ah well, might as well do it. Everyone do it this weekend – who cares!”
Robinson said he believed the AFL took a lighter stance on Martin because of his standing as a great of the game – a three-time Norm Smith medallist and three-time premiership star.
“I feel because it’s Dustin Martin he got off,” he said.
“I was watching The Last Dance … and it was about Michael Jordan. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird complaining that Michael Johnson never gets fouls called against him and I’m sitting here thinking, I betcha he gets off because it’s Dustin Martin and people say, that’s ridiculous.”
Hawk Jai Newcombe was also slapped with a fine for his “cheap punch to the guts” on Roo Harry Sheezel, but walked away with a $2000 penalty.
“It doesn’t make it right,” Robinson said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/everyone-do-it-who-cares-host-blows-up-as-dusty-avoids-cheap-shot-ban-because-hes-dusty/news-story/3df26b43bf5eeb081f2a903ece550678
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Oh boohoo Robbo!
I hope Robbo has something to say about Dangerfield's hatchet job on Vlaustin in the '20 GF! Did kids copy that because Danger got away with it, Robbo? :wallywink
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Can anyone show me an incident like Dusty’s one and show me where anyone got a weeks suspension for it? He didn’t get off because he’s Dustin Martin, he got off because the afls grading system adjudicates actions like that to be a fine and nothing else.
Let the nuffs in the media and oppo supporters go crazy kicking up a storm though like we haven’t been getting reamed by the umps and the afl for 5+ years.
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Didn’t Steven nay concuss a saints player by kneeing him in the head taking a speccy? Like afl is physical. People need to settle the f*** down
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‘Everyone do it, who cares?!’ Host blows up as Dusty avoids ‘cheap shot’ ban ‘because he’s Dusty’
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
July 17th, 2023 9:46 pm
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has been slammed for his “cheap shot” elbow by Fox Footy’s Mark Robinson, who warned the AFL had set a dangerous precedent by only handing the Tiger a fine.
Martin escaped a ban for his off-the-ball elbow that dropped Eagle Alex Witherden to the turf during the win over West Coast on Sunday.
And the Match Review’s finding left Robinson fuming as he labelled Martin’s actions “unacceptable”.
“If you flagrantly send an elbow back into the darkness, I know it only hit him (in the chest), but if you send it back, you lose your right to play,” Robinson said on AFL 360.
“Because that’s not in the rules to flail an elbow back.
“What if it’s flicked up and hit him in the jaw? ‘Sorry I didn’t mean to do it’ – you did it!
“The AFL says ‘Nah it’s OK Dusty, you’ll be right, the contact wasn’t really severe’.
“So we’re going to allow that kids!
“All you kids out there, do it this weekend. (Co-host Gerard Whateley interjects: “Don’t say that!”) But this is the problem, Gerard.
“They’ll see it, and they’ll do it.
“He’s guilty, suspend him.”
While admitting he was being “facetious” by calling on kids to copy Martin’s moves, Robinson was left angered by the $3000 fine handed to the Tiger with an early guilty plea.
“The swinging elbow back has always been frowned upon. It’s a pretty cheap shot,” he lamented.
“To flail back to a guy who’s not expecting it.
“The AFL should have said, ‘No you’re out Dusty, you can sit. We don’t care who you are, that’s unacceptable in our game’.
“And kids don’t do that.
“The point I was making now, I was being facetious, if we’re going to allow that and not be a suspension, ah well, might as well do it. Everyone do it this weekend – who cares!”
Robinson said he believed the AFL took a lighter stance on Martin because of his standing as a great of the game – a three-time Norm Smith medallist and three-time premiership star.
“I feel because it’s Dustin Martin he got off,” he said.
“I was watching The Last Dance … and it was about Michael Jordan. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird complaining that Michael Johnson never gets fouls called against him and I’m sitting here thinking, I betcha he gets off because it’s Dustin Martin and people say, that’s ridiculous.”
Hawk Jai Newcombe was also slapped with a fine for his “cheap punch to the guts” on Roo Harry Sheezel, but walked away with a $2000 penalty.
“It doesn’t make it right,” Robinson said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/everyone-do-it-who-cares-host-blows-up-as-dusty-avoids-cheap-shot-ban-because-hes-dusty/news-story/3df26b43bf5eeb081f2a903ece550678
Robbo is a clown, if it was Merrett he wouldn't say a word.
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If it was Merret he'd probably applaud him for flying the flag and showing leadership while blaming Witherden for niggling him. :shh
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Has there actually been a player suspended for throwing an elbow to the guts of an oppo?
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Sam McClure is at it again making stuff up. This time pushing Dusty to the Suns ::).
WATCH HERE:https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1681608340265132036
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Flog's been saying that all year. :shh
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And last year (Sydney) and the year before that. Last time he had Dusty playing a year for no money :wallywink.
McClure just making up BS again about Dusty for attention seeking clickbait ::).
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hypotethical question, but would anyone begrudge dimma if he happened to lure dusty and anyone else north?
I personally would as i would love to see Dusty finish up at Punt Road, but thats me.
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hypotethical question, but would anyone begrudge dimma if he happened to lure dusty and anyone else north?
I personally would as i would love to see Dusty finish up at Punt Road, but thats me.
For me, it all depends on what we get in return.
I take a transactional view of most things in life.
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hypotethical question, but would anyone begrudge dimma if he happened to lure dusty and anyone else north?
I personally would as i would love to see Dusty finish up at Punt Road, but thats me.
For me, it all depends on what we get in return.
I take a transactional view of most things in life.
Agree. Given the suns received SFA in that sweat heart deal last year i would expect the same. I hope so anyway
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hypotethical question, but would anyone begrudge dimma if he happened to lure dusty and anyone else north?
I personally would as i would love to see Dusty finish up at Punt Road, but thats me.
For me, it all depends on what we get in return.
I take a transactional view of most things in life.
Well if they said here's a 1st round pick and well pay half Dusty's wage, it would be worth considering wouldn't it?
Ease the cap by $600k/year, make space for a FA (once Cotch and Jack retire as well) and we get pick 4-8 or something.
Worth considering...
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Dusty is contracted and if he went to the GCS the AFL would probaly pay a portion of his pay in an ambassadorial role.
I don't want him to leave as the only player/s who will ever be like Dusty will be Dusty junior marks 1 and 11 and hopefully 111 and 1111. :cheers
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I want him to reach 350 at tiger land so badly
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I have said this a million times... DUSTY IS GOING NOWHERE. ..
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I have said this a million times... DUSTY IS GOING NOWHERE. ..
Brace for impact boys. Dusty is gone now :shh
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:lol
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I have said this a million times... DUSTY IS GOING NOWHERE. ..
When you have 10 birra morettis and think you can read the future...:lol
Only Dustin himself would have 100% certainty on this and even then he could change his mind...
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Wouldn’t trade him for any realistic offer that would be made. Rather have one of our greatest players ever stay a tiger for life.
If he wanted to leave, different story. I wouldn’t begrudge him for doing so nor would I begrudge Dimma in the hypothetical situation where he was at a rival team and lured dusty over.
I don’t buy that this story has any legs to it. Basically same recycled material they’ve been using since the 2021 season.
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I have said this a million times... DUSTY IS GOING NOWHERE. ..
When you have 10 birra morettis and think you can read the future...:lol
Only Dustin himself would have 100% certainty on this and even then he could change his mind...
Don't drink any beer so you messed that right up from the get go. I repeat, Dustin Martin is going no where
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McQualter praised star Dustin Martin for his pivotal role in the heart-stopping victory.
“Dustin’s level is so high and I think to be able to maintain that high level is something that he probably doesn’t get enough credit for.
“Every single week he puts himself in a position to help us win games of football.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-round-19-richmond-v-hawthorn-all-the-news-action-and-fallout-from-tigers-thrilling-win/news-story/ea3d0cbb0400edc55048ae545523b087).
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As crazy as it seems, Dustin Martin continues to fly under the radar this season.
He is averaging 22.6 disposals, 1.1 goals and 7.0 score involvements per match this season, which are elite individual statistical numbers at the game’s highest level.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1386289/mini-s-high-praise-for-overlooked-dusty
Fox Footy said Dusty is ranked 2nd in the comp. only behind Toby Greene in that forward/mid role.
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"Dusty is the eighth highest rated player over the last six weeks in the competition. However, in first quarters, he is ranked 291st. So he is a slow starter in games."
- @Hoyney35 on Dustin Martin
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1683753982269984768
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"Dusty is the eighth highest rated player over the last six weeks in the competition. However, in first quarters, he is ranked 291st. So he is a slow starter in games."
- @Hoyney35 on Dustin Martin
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1683753982269984768
“The interesting one as well in 'Dusty' (Dustin Martin). Over the last six weeks, he’s the eighth highest rated player in the competition, but in first quarters he’s 291st.”
Martin has attended [the centre bounces] a quarter or less across the last four games.
With that in mind, Hoyne suggested the idea of getting the Brownlow Medallist into the action earlier in games.
“I need to have a bit of a look at the vision component, but I wonder if you’re mirroring the two up… Richmond starts slowly, Dusty starts slowly, he’s playing as a forward 50 player and then they get him up into the action when they’re a few goals behind and then he gets going,” he added.
“So I just wonder whether or not they need to look at that magnet in the first 20 minutes of matches and actually start him at centre bounce and then release forward.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/07/25/champion-data-reveals-the-two-stars-at-the-centre-of-richmonds-recent-slow/
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Dusty is looking ominous as Tigers push for finals
Martin was looking dangerous throughout the nail-biting match, but he was particularly influential up forward for the Tigers in a high-scoring affair. Not only did he kick a team-high three goals, he had a 11 score involvements (another team high) from his 21 disposals.
21 disposals (14k, 7h, 9c, 10u, 85.7% eff.)
2 marks
2 tackles
4 clearances (1 centre clearance)
5 inside 50s
354 metres gained
3 intercepts
11 score involvements
2 goal assists
3 goals
2 behinds
87% time on ground
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4953#match-report)
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A poo hot performance from dusty. He was still giving it his all when we were 3 goals down with time left on the board to snatch victory when everyone else was going limp.
We’re still mathematically a chance to make finals and I would love to see what he can bring in an EF
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I was amazed how many times Dusty was ignored yesterday, he set himself up for a return pass in space so he could kick inside 50, NADA, IMHO he is one of our best deliverers inside 50.
Or was that just my incorrect observation ??
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2a9toXacAEaZAs?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1686245598058692609
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Dusty rested as well according to Mitch Cleary on 7news :-\.
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Dusty rested as well according to Mitch Cleary on 7news :-\.
Making sure he doesn't get injured before he joins Dimma on the Goldy
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Dusty is going nowhere
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"There are a lot of big questions facing Richmond now.
"Gold Coast are definitely interested in Dustin Martin.
"Personally, I'd be staggered if Dustin Martin doesn't play his 300th game in the yellow and black, but they are interested."
- Caroline Wilson.
https://twitter.com/3AWisfootball/status/1687649557759545347
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From Robbo's "Likes and Dislikes" column:
5. Dimma’s a yes, Dusty’s a no
Neither a like or dislike, but the Gold Coast Suns will almost certainly announce Damien Hardwick as their new coach, but Tigers champ Dustin Martin almost certainly won’t be following him.
“I’d like to see Dusty play his 300th game at Richmond and I would’ve thought he would too,’’ his manager Ralph Carr said, noting Martin was 14 short of the 300 milestone. “He’s got such a history there.’’
In the off-season, the pair are headed to the MGM Grand in Las Vegas to see some boxing, leave there and spend time planning life in 2024.
Martin is contracted to be paid about $1.3 million next year, which is the final year of his contract. That the Suns would take Martin if he wanted to go there – we’re sure they’ve already inquired – tells us the Suns administration finally has a healthy salary cap.
Martin, meanwhile, is not heavily in All-Australian media discussions, which is baffling. He is a victim of the high standards he has set and if his numbers this year were put up by a third or fourth-year player, the footy world would be raving.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21/news-story/d902dd3f8e9b08f1424eaf113617cdb0
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Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has revealed the best individual Grand Final performance since 2012.
The best player rating performances from each Grand Final since 2012:
2018 GF – Luke Shuey (WCE) – 35.7 points
2017 GF – Dustin Martin (RIC) – 30.9
2022 GF – Chad Warner (SYD) – 29.9
2021 GF – Christian Petracca (MEL) – 28.8
2016 GF – Marcus Bontempelli (WB) – 28.0
2020 GF – Dustin Martin (RIC) – 25.7
2019 GF – Dustin Martin (RIC) – 22.8
2013 GF – Michael Johnson (FRE) – 22.7
2014 GF – Will Langford (HAW) – 21.7
2012 GF – Jarrad McVeigh (SYD) & Lance Franklin (HAW) – 21.3
2015 GF – Isaac Smith (HAW) – 19.4
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/10/the-best-individual-grand-final-performance-since-2010-according-to-champion/
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The Positive: Dusty is still a freak
Dustin Martin remains a ridiculously good player.
He might not quite be what he was, but at this best, he is still one of Richmond’s top few performers.
Most of Martin’s kicking on Sunday was a joy to behold. The way he finds targets inside 50 with pinpoint, laser passing is a joy to watch.
‘Dusty’ does have some blips due to the degree of difficulty of his kicks, but when it comes off it looks beautiful.
At the ripe old age of 32, Martin led all-comers on the ground with 13 contested possessions, had the most inside 50s with seven, the equal most score involvements with eight and had the equal most clearances with five. Plus 26 touches and two goal assists.
Let’s not take Martin for granted as his career enters its twilight. Take it all in and enjoy the show because we’re never going to see anyone else like Dusty.
Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/14/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams-in-22/).
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Not sure his kicking was to a "joy to behold" for most of the match. :shh
Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has revealed the best individual Grand Final performance since 2012.
The best player rating performances from each Grand Final since 2012:
2018 GF – Luke Shuey (WCE) – 35.7 points
2017 GF – Dustin Martin (RIC) – 30.9
2022 GF – Chad Warner (SYD) – 29.9
2021 GF – Christian Petracca (MEL) – 28.8
2016 GF – Marcus Bontempelli (WB) – 28.0
Not sure
2020 GF – Dustin Martin (RIC) – 25.7
2019 GF – Dustin Martin (RIC) – 22.8
2013 GF – Michael Johnson (FRE) – 22.7
2014 GF – Will Langford (HAW) – 21.7
2012 GF – Jarrad McVeigh (SYD) & Lance Franklin (HAW) – 21.3
2015 GF – Isaac Smith (HAW) – 19.4
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/10/the-best-individual-grand-final-performance-since-2010-according-to-champion/
But I was told he only deserved one of those Norms at the most.... :shh :shh
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Dusty has looked the best he has since the 2020 season. Was worried last season but has shown this year he still has plenty left to give.
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Tom Browne tonight on 7news copying Sam McClure with the Dusty to Gold Coast crap ::).
Go to 1:00 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1691008868095270912
* Don't discount Dustin Martin "potentially" following Hardwick to the Gold Coast.
* "Sources familiar with Martin's situation" wouldn't completely rule it out today.
* Martin has a year left at Richmond on his contract. The Suns "could" offer a longer contract. Martin has up to $1.2m plus left on his contract. The Suns "could" smooth some of that money over two years.
* "Martin does like living on the Gold Coast or at least the idea of it".
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I feel for dusty as he was born to play in big games and I feel like the coaching panel and team collectively let the legend down. It’s an indictment on the next tier of players with finals on the line that they couldn’t find an extra gear and play along dusty in finals mode
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Richmond should consider trading Dustin Martin to Gold Coast, writes Mark Robinson
Richmond’s golden era is over. It would cause fan uproar but the Tigers need draft picks – and there’s one way to get them, writes Mark Robinson.
Mark Robinson
Heraldsun
August 14, 2023 - 6:00PM
As unsettling as it would be for Tigers fans, Richmond has to consider a trade for Dustin Martin.
And Gold Coast is the logical destination.
The Damien Hardwick link can’t be ignored, nor the fact the Suns have a desire to recruit Martin and have the cap space to accommodate his estimated $1.3 million salary.
Martin’s camp has indicated, without confirming, that Martin will see out the final year of his contract at the Tigers.
“I’d like to see him play his 300th at Richmond,’’ his manager Ralph Carr told this masthead a week ago.
The pair have scheduled a holiday in America at the end of the season, starting first in Las Vegas to attend a boxing event.
The plans ahead for the triple Norm Smith medallist will be on their agenda.
Richmond, too, has to make plans.
The golden era is over. Trent Cotchin, who is Martin’s close friend, has retired. Jack Riewoldt might follow suit. And Dylan Grimes, the 32-year-old captain, must be weighing up whether to retire or not.
The Tigers are five or six years away from contending, according to Fox Footy’s Jordan Lewis, and need a drastic list overhaul.
The slash and burn list strategy which the AFL hates so much because it creates unwanted mediocrity may be back in vogue.
Carlton and North Melbourne stripped back savagely and couldn’t find momentum for many years, while Hawthorn did the same at the end of the 2022 season and now Hawks coach Sam Mitchell is the toast of the town for his foresight and ability to regenerate his team.
Richmond, it appeared, tried to follow the Geelong strategy: Trade in to try to contend.
It hasn’t worked. Tim Taranto will probably win the best-and-fairest – from Martin – and Jacob Hopper’s season hasn’t been what it was hoped to be.
The Tigers need draft picks.
Their first pick in this year’s national draft is pick 25. Their next is 44 and then 62.
What can they hope to pick with those selections? Maybe a gem at 25 and fingers crossed on the other two selections.
They need top-end talent.
The Suns have pick 4 – their current first-round draft selection – but need that selection and more for points to acquire their academy boys, key forward Jed Walter, ruckman Ethan Read and midfielder Jake Rogers.
One theory is the Suns could trade out pick 4 to secure enough later picks and draft points to land the trio.
But what if the Suns offered a future pick for Martin?
Say, a second-rounder next year?
The salary complicates the issue. The higher the pick, the higher the cost. If, for example, the Suns offered next year’s first-round selection, they would ask the Tigers to pay some of Martin’s salary. The same for a second-round selection, although the salary paid by the Tigers would slide down the scale.
That’s what played out with the Jack Bowes and pick 7 trade to Geelong.
A Martin trade would be purely a business decision.
Emotionally, fans would be in uproar.
Romantically, Martin playing 300-plus games for the yellow and black and retiring as possibly Richmond’s greatest ever player also can’t be ignored.
Martin’s done everything he can for the Tigers. He’s won flags, his won medals, he’s inspired old and young. But what’s left to achieve?
Trading out players at the end of their careers is not new – think Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis at the Hawks – but nor is it ideal for the champs and the fans. And Martin is a special player.
Of course, Martin would have to agree to the trade and Richmond would have to want to make the trade.
It all depends on whether Richmond are romantics or business-minded.
And whether Martin would like to join Hardwick at the Suns.
Make no mistake, the Suns would take Martin if they could make the deal work.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/afl-2023-richmond-should-consider-trading-dustin-martin-to-gold-coast-writes-mark-robinson/news-story/713e6ec096f7da505ba6a6296d307679
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I really hope it doesnt happen. I would love to see the champ play 300 games with us and if that means we dont see out a top 10 pick so be it.
The club has really stuffed up the last 2 years, so because of that we should send dusty on his way just to get back into the draft? No, stuff that.
They stuffed it up, so if they are good enough then find another way and be strategic like the cats were.
IMO some guys can never be seen in another jumper and i feel he is one.
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Agreed. I think we have an handful of mistakes that need fixing in our list management which might only take this and next year to fix.
I remain optimistic that all 5 of the 2022 draft can have an impact.
Reckon MRJ has his best football ahead of him and like what I’m seeing from the other younger players in the seniors at the moment.
It’s the older players who I think aren’t pulling their weight enough. They look tired and seem to lack the hunger that comes with not playing in flags.
If they can regain that hunger, we might be able to start making inroads by 2025.
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Agree. Call me sentimental but I’d rather see the champs and in this case one of the all time greats of the club reach 300 games and finish a one club player.
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Far out, a future second rounder yet Esava at the cats is worth a first rounder apparently
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Far out, a future second rounder yet Esava at the cats is worth a first rounder apparently
One bloke is rising 50yo
That hurts value
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Agree. Call me sentimental but I’d rather see the champs and in this case one of the all time greats of the club reach 300 games and finish a one club player.
Agree
And also well said Frankie
I understand it is a business now but sometimes loyalty still needs to play a part.
I know people will scoff at and more than likely give me a whack but truth is Dusty owes the RFC. I think what sometimes gets forgotten is how this club has looked after him not just over the last couple of years but his entire career.
Yes, he's a special talent, a champion but one of the reasons for that is because he's been at the RFC
Now his namager is smart man when it comes to Dusty as Dusty has made him millions and Raplh should know that it is in his client's best interest to remain a one club player and play 300+games for the RFC
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Respectfully disagree with the above.
It will be somewhat embarrassing watching him play in a bottom four team that gets pumped most weeks, because that’s what’s coming I reckon.
If it helps get us a 10 ten pick, let him go play his last years for a team on the rise.
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I wouldn’t like to see him go and if you look back at our first round picks history we just might end up with a small back flanker that doesn’t ever play more than a handful of games
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Agree. Call me sentimental but I’d rather see the champs and in this case one of the all time greats of the club reach 300 games and finish a one club player.
Now his namager is smart man when it comes to Dusty as Dusty has made him millions and Raplh should know that it is in his client's best interest to remain a one club player and play 300+games for the RFC
Yep, how much Dusty 300 game Gold Coast memorabilia would be bought, compared to Dusty 300 game Richmond memorabilia. It's a gold mine for Dusty and Carr to play his 300th at Richmond.
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Another year and the media again hoping Dusty leaves ::).
"Dustin Martin to the Suns? Understand the Tigers premiership hero is more open to it than ever." - Mitch Cleary.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1692451192360866178
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He is still a superstar
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Still worth what he is being paid. Legend and icon of the club. I'd love to see Dusty be a 1 club player.
Today was done brilliantly seeing Jack and Cotchins off. Yeah probably played 1 year too many but would have ratheree this outcome than see them plod around at another club like Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Steve Johnson, Nick Dal Santo, Paul Chapman did.
For the sake of a late first round pick for Dusty, which we may fail in drafting properly, ita not worth losing him and missing the Dusty equivalent of today, his 300th on a Richmond jumper etc. Keep him at all costs for mine.
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Well said.
Legends of the club we love.
Thank you champs.
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Dusty is going nowhere... All media BS just like convid , climate change etc
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I look forward to going to cheer him on in his 300th game in the yellow and black next year. No draft pick would be better than that.
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Dusty is going nowhere... All media BS just like convid , climate change etc
Welp looks like he's gone then... :shh
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Dusty is going nowhere... All media BS just like convid , climate change etc
Welp looks like he's gone then... :shh
He's staying put
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Brendon Gale on Dustin Martin trade talk
Richmond boss Brendon Gale has weighed in on speculation Dustin Martin could link with Damien Hardwick, who is on the cusp of being named Gold Coast’s new coach.
Josh Barnes
HeraldSun
August 19, 2023 - 3:06PM
Richmond has little interest in moving Dustin Martin on as CEO Brendon Gale shuts down talk the superstar could join his old coach Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast next year.
Martin has one season to run on a lucrative seven-year deal he signed in 2017.
With Hardwick set to be unveiled as Gold Coast’s new coach next week, talk had linked Martin to a move north.
Hardwick was asked about a potential trade this week and baulked at the question.
But Gale said the Tigers weren’t keen on losing Martin and that the three-time Norm Smith medallist understood the legacy he could cement by playing on beyond 300 games in a Richmond jumper next year.
Martin played his 288th game against North Melbourne on Saturday, leaving him within striking distance of joining Kevin Bartlett, Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Francis Bourke in playing 300 games for the Tigers.
“The speculation just goes on and on,” Gale told ABC radio.
“Firstly, Dustin is contracted, I will say that. Secondly, he is a really important part of our club for a bunch of reasons. Three, despite some of the challenges and despite our form and our inability to get the ball in the front half (this season), he is a very good player.
“He is not a bad footballer, Dustin Martin, and I just think he has looked back maybe the last couple of years with Edwards and Riewoldt and Cotchin and sees the important of legacy and history and what that means.
“He has the opportunity to play 300 games next year. He knows what that means at our football club. I just can’t see a scenario where he is not at Richmond.”
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-damien-hardwick-speaks-on-the-vacant-gold-coast-coaching-job/news-story/02367a0ca893e4c668f588ebfee17754
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Dusty winds back the clock
After a slower few years by his lofty standards, Dustin Martin was in vintage form against the Kangaroos. The 2017 Brownlow medallist picked up 31 disposals, seven marks and three goals to post his best performance of the year. He broke tackles, found space and gave the Tigers plenty of run as he farewelled his great mates Cotchin and Riewoldt.
31 disposals (20k, 11h, 11c, 19u, 77.4% eff.)
7 marks (1 contested mark)
2 tackles
2 clearances (1 centre clearance)
7 inside 50s
453 metres gained
5 intercepts
11 score involvements
1 goal assist
3 goals
91% time on ground
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4977#match-report).
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Supporting a footy team is all about moments.
We had 35 years of no flags but with some unreal memories. Today was another one of those that had nothing to do with winning a flag.
Dusty deserves the same send off + a 300th for Richmond.
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He is still a superstar
There was no way he was going to let that game slip.
You could tell from the get go he was going drag us over the line and make sure we and he won for his mates
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Dusty is going nowhere... All media BS just like convid , climate change etc
LOL - one of the most ignorant posts in history. As embarrassing as a KMac inside 50
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Actions speak louder than words.
Well Dusty never speaks but FMD he willed us over the line today for Jack and Cotch.
What a man.
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Actions speak louder than words.
Well Dusty never speaks but FMD he willed us over the line today for Jack and Cotch.
What a man.
Exactly BOG by a mile for me
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Make him 2024 Captain to add to his immortal career at Richmond
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Make him 2024 Captain to add to his immortal career at Richmond
Great idea, don’t think Dusty would be up for it though
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"It won't be the first time that the Gold Coast Suns approach him." - Barrett.
With Damien Hardwick set to be announced as Suns coach this week, and Tigers champions bowing out, will Dustin Martin move on?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1693062017593061743
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He’s matured a lot the past 24 months. He did fill in captain that one time so who knows? Maybe he’s ready Aragorn style? Return of the king damn it!!
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These dusty to suns links are the definition of lazy journalism. Person who has been his coach his whole career moves to Gold Coast so now player is interested. I guess it’s better than “dusty loves the city of Sydney” which was their basis for linking him there for the past few years.
I highly doubt any of these journos have any actual sources with Dusty’s inner circle.
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what i dont understand is why doesn't anyone (apart from dimma) pull these dog media c.... apart over their alleged scoops? I wanted someone to ask parrot today how the stuff do you know, but of course no one did.
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If he goes he goes who really cares after what he has done for the club onfield and off.
Will forever and a day go down as one of the top handful of players this club has produced and he has done it for close on 300 games.
If im honest going by Dusty's history no one really knows outside of dusty and maybe his manager what he is going to do.
Stay or go it doesnt matter either way his lagacy to this club will always be great.
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The Tackle - Like #3: Dusty Dynamo
Jay Clark
HeraldSun
21 August 2023
The game was about Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin’s farewell.
But Dustin Martin was the lead character in Richmond’s win over North Melbourne at the MCG on Saturday.
The argument goes that ex-coach Damien Hardwick shouldn’t bother calling Martin’s phone to check his interest in a possible move north to Gold Coast.
Martin is a Richmond man and all that. He could play 300 games in the yellow and black next season.
But, as Hardwick watched on from the MCG stands on Saturday, it would have been clear to him that Martin remains one of the most impactful players in the game after a blinder against the Kangas.
He bullied the Roos and kicked the Sherrin like he was using a three-iron off the tee.
And he only had eyes for Cotchin and Riewoldt all game.
If Hardwick asks the question, it would be about lifestyle for Martin.
Getting out of the Melbourne fishbowl. Enjoying some more sun and space up north.
Dusty loves Dimma. Hardwick may be a three-time premiership coach at Richmond but when he pulls on the Suns’ polo it will all be about what is best for Gold Coast.
Which is why it would be worth the phone call after the fresh reminder on Saturday that Martin is still capable of producing exceptional football.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/the-tackle-jay-clarks-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-23-of-the-afl-season/news-story/58757ebb6092f82affe5445b08ac2f79
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Not sure the Suns are going to win a flag over the next few seasons even though they have improved a fair bit.
If Dusty goes id say he would go for success and another flag rather than to catch up with his old coach.
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Dusty is going - you heard it here first
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Noooooooooooooooooo!
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Dusty is going - you heard it here first
Only if we net pick 4 or 2 x youngsters. Happy to pay half his salary for a year.
Yes he is 32, but what a marketing bonanza for the GC suns, worth way more than just his playing ability which he is still our best player.
I still can't see him going to be honest.
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Dusty is going - you heard it here first
Ralph says no. :thumbsup
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Dusty is going - you heard it here first
Only if we net pick 4 or 2 x youngsters. Happy to pay half his salary for a year.
Yes he is 32, but what a marketing bonanza for the GC suns, worth way more than just his playing ability which he is still our best player.
I still can't see him going to be honest.
Would want at least a first and second round pick
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Dusty is going - you heard it here first
And so it begins ::)
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Predictions on how big this thread will get by the start of trade period?
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Dusty gone for 3 x 1st rounders. I honestly wouldn't accept anything less.
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Media and people forget that Dusty is owed 1.5m next year. Nobody will take that on for his age and his injury risk.
Ralph Carr will never accept that 1.5m to spread over 2 years like what Bowes did to get to Geelong. He may go free agency at the end of next season but you can bank on Dusty being here next year.
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Media and people forget that Dusty is owed 1.5m next year. Nobody will take that on for his age and his injury risk.
Ralph Carr will never accept that 1.5m to spread over 2 years like what Bowes did to get to Geelong. He may go free agency at the end of next season but you can bank on Dusty being here next year.
Would anyone do that on those numbers? Virtually the same cash for an extra year of work. Maybe the greeny's would if they actually worked :shh.
If i was his manager and im biased, i would say stay on for a year to your 300th, and then see out your days up there.
I would hate to now have to deal when we stuffed up the last 3 years and have no picks left.
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RICHMOND NOT LOOKING TO TRADE MARTIN; HARDWICK AND SUNS NOT IN PURSUIT
Andrew Slevison
SEN
21 August 2023
Dustin Martin is highly unlikely to be leaving Richmond anytime soon.
The Richmond champion is again being linked with a move to the Gold Coast Suns after it became apparent that Damien Hardwick would be taking the job there.
Speculation continues to swirl around the Brownlow Medallist and three-time Norm Smith Medallist who remains contracted with the Tigers for 2024. That talk has only intensified following the retirements of Martin’s close mates Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt.
However, SEN’s Tom Morris is eager to put a halt to any Martin departure gossip, insisting that neither the Hardwick or the Suns are in pursuit of the 32-year-old.
He also made it clear that the Tigers have no intention of trading the club’s greatest modern day player.
“I want to halt the Dustin Martin to Gold Coast discussions,” Morris said on SEN Breakfast.
“This is where things are at - Firstly, Damien Hardwick is not pushing for Dustin Martin and will not push for him.
“He wants to come in, have a look at the list, and certainly does not want to impact the club’s ability to bring in their three gun academy prospects - Jed Walter, Ethan Read and Jake Rogers.
“Secondly, there are conflicting reports, but I’m reliably told Dusty is due to make somewhere between $1.4 and $1.5 million next year.
“The Suns can’t afford that and will not jeopardise their list strategy so soon after re-balancing their books in order to fit in a player who will turn 33 next June.
“Thirdly, (CEO) Brendon Gale is on the record saying Richmond won’t trade him. Sometimes public statements differ from private chats. But this doesn’t. What Gale said is consistent behind closed doors too.
“The Tigers do not want to rebuild in the traditional sense and don’t see a world where they would trade Dustin, and certainly not a world where they would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for him to play elsewhere.
“Strange things can happen in the trade period. But just short of guaranteeing anything, I am willing to declare this morning that I don’t think Martin will be at Gold Coast in 2024.
“People are putting two and two together but not fully understanding of the actual situation behind the scenes.”
Morris added that the conversation could perhaps be different once Martin comes out of contract.
“This is not to say it won’t happen at the end of next year when he’s a free agent and the deal could take place,” he said further.
“But he will be 33 by then, so it’s just too complicated right now.
“In 2025? Maybe. But not next year unless Hardwick and Richmond have a huge change of heart.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/21/richmond-not-looking-to-trade-martin-hardwick-and-suns-not-in-pursuit/
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The big problem in potential Dusty-Dimma reunion … and the perfect timing solution
Catherine Healey
Fox Sports
August 22nd, 2023
A possible Dusty-Dimma reunion on the Gold Coast has already hit a hurdle with the Suns reportedly unable to fit with star Tiger into their salary cap next season, Fox Footy’s Jon Ralph says.
Dustin Martin’s potential move north to “escape the Melbourne fishbowl” was one of the biggest topics after Damien Hardwick was officially confirmed as the Suns’ new coach, signing a six-year deal on Monday.
But Ralph says even if Martin wanted to move, he’d likely have to salary sacrifice to get there for 2024.
“The big question is if he does the Al Pacino from Any Given Sunday – he jumps ship and he says I’m going to the expansion club and I’m taking the star quarterback,” he said On the Couch.
“I can tell you Dustin Martin is absolutely considering his future. He’s open to all things.
“He’s told multiple confidants he is excited by the idea of exploring maybe a move to the Gold Coast – a challenge anyway away from the Melbourne fishbowl.
“The idea of 300 games at Richmond and fulfilling that long-term deal, every year of it like Lance Franklin, appeals to him. He’s working through all those things.
“His manager Ralph Carr tells Fox Footy that decision will come pretty quickly after Round 24. They’ll sit down and have a discussion.
“By the end of the next year they’ll have significant cap space. They haven’t got it right now.
“I think the Tigers would have to kick in (for a Suns contract next season) – which they won’t, or Dustin might have to take a bit of a pay cut – which he won’t.”
Ralph said while Martin wants to play “late into his 30s”, Nathan Buckley believes the three-time Norm Smith medallist should see out his Tigers deal first and then make the move in another year.
“It will be better for Damien Hardwick to set himself up at the Gold Coast without feeling like he needs to drag someone up from Victoria,” he said.
Hardwick said he was comfortable with the talent on the Suns’ list when asked about a potential Martin bid on AFL 360.
“He’s a pretty good player isn’t he?” he replied to host Gerard Whateley’s question.
“He’s certainly contacted at Richmond.
“What I will say is I’ve done my due diligence on this footy club – we’ve got some incredible players here and some incredible young talent coming through.
“I’m really happy with the list we’ve got.
“There’s list management decisions that happen from time to time that we’ll work our way through. We’ll assess the talent as we go.”
Fox Footy’s Jonathan Brown said he can’t see the Martin move happening – especially given the Suns’ draft hand and what they need to secure their top-line Academy talent.
“I don’t know how Richmond would allow it to happen and how the AFL would sell it to the rest of the competition that they are not paying him any extra money over the cap,” he said.
“(And) I’m not sure the Gold Coast has the draft capital – they’ve put that aside for the gun Academy players that are coming through.”
Martin still has one-year to run on his big money deal at the Tigers.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-big-problem-in-potential-dustydimma-reunion-and-the-perfect-timing-solution/news-story/b1eec2400900d87644725cb65d49d90a
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Dusty is one of the three nominees for Goal of the Week.
Vote here: https://www.afl.com.au/goal-of-the-year
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Question for stats guys…
When was the last time Dusty played without Cotchin or Jack in the team?
I don’t know but I reckon this week will be the first time in his career.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4MnMzjXMAA8hlq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/debsgodess19/status/1694240993103536438
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Question for stats guys…
When was the last time Dusty played without Cotchin or Jack in the team?
I don’t know but I reckon this week will be the first time in his career.
Last time was Round 13, 2019 vs Adelaide.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2019/011420190613.html#p1
Also occurred that year in Rounds 5, 7, 8, 9 and the Dreamtime game (Round 10). Cotch & Jack missed most of the first half of the season in 2019.
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Question for stats guys…
When was the last time Dusty played without Cotchin or Jack in the team?
I don’t know but I reckon this week will be the first time in his career.
Last time was Round 13, 2019 vs Adelaide.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2019/011420190613.html#p1
Also occurred that year in Rounds 5, 7, 8, 9 and the Dreamtime game (Round 10). Cotch & Jack missed most of the first half of the season in 2019.
Thanks Boss
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Glorious times. Lynch martin and stack and our once upon a time impenetrable back 6 running the joint and holding the fort in the first half of the season.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4QiONkacAAdYae?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/conf82/status/1694516991078613162
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Richmond remain confident Dustin Martin won’t leave for the Gold Coast Suns
Staff Writers from Nca Newswire
August 26th, 2023
Dustin Martin added another Richmond trophy to his cabinet this week which interim coach Andrew McQualter said was evidence of how “invested” the superstar is at Punt Road amid talk of a potential reunion with Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast.
Martin took out the club‘s annual golf tournament, despite being ”pretty horrible at golf” and McQualter was adamant the triple-premiership winner had given zero indication of a desire to leave Punt Road.
Amid the club-wide “shock” of seeing premiership coach Hardwick unveiled by the Suns this week in a red polo after 13 seasons in yellow and black came reports Martin, 32, could possibly look to finish his career on the glitter strip.
The exits of premiership teammates Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin, who have both retired, fulled that talk, although Martin is contracted for two more seasons at Richmond.
McQualter, who confirmed he would be interviewed for the full-time coaching job as soon as next week. said Martin, who was best on ground in last week’s win over North Melbourne, was still completely committed to Tigerland. .
“He can’t perform the way he does without being incredibly invested. He’s in a great space,” McQualter said.
“He won our annual golf tournament yesterday. He’s pretty pleased with himself because he’s pretty hopeless a golf. That’s the beauty of handicaps.
“But he’s in a great spot.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/richmond-remain-confident-dustin-martin-wont-leave-for-the-gold-coast-suns/news-story/7dfeb9cfcd5d8410b012ef71d964b3c7
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Still our best player. Absolutely nothing to gain trading him.
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From Champion Data's Daniel Hoyne:
It really is ridiculous what Dusty is doing this year and getting hardly any recognition.
At half time - 22 disposals, 9 contested, involved in 9 scores, and only attended 3 centre bounces.
Judge him against the comp not against himself and he should be a walk AA selection.
https://twitter.com/Hoyney35/status/1695644084940198134
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Dusty finished up with:
33 disposals (16k, 17h, 14c, 18u, 72.7% eff.)
2 marks
5 tackles (2 F50 tackles)
7 inside 50s
4 clearances (1 centre clearance)
408 metres gained
4 intercepts
12 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 goal
1 behind
86% time on ground
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BOG for us today by a long way
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Was Dusty's 2023 of All-Australian calibre?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4hExT_bgAAxkgY?format=webp&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1695681058812072191
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The best I've ever seen. Love seeing him play with hunger
champ
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If Martin decides to be captain holy poo I’m putting money on us to make the GF. I feel like he’s grown into something more since coming back after needing to grieve and nurse his kidney
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If Martin decides to be captain holy poo I’m putting money on us to make the GF. I feel like he’s grown into something more since coming back after needing to grieve and nurse his kidney
I would never want him to be captain, doesn’t need the extra load to carry. Let him play free
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Given his second half of the season he is a real chance to win the best and fairest .
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Jon Ralph on twitter:
62 shots at goal so far this year for 24.22 and 16 total misses. The inaccuracy is the only thing that will deny him a fifth All Australian nod. Still, he does have three Norm Smith medals and three flags so he might not be that fussed if he misses out.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1695646251201740959
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Tigers boss fears ‘absurd’ Dusty All-Aus snub — but says it’s proof he won’t be traded
Jason Phelan from Nca Newswire
Foxsports
August 27th, 2023
McQualter is confident the 32-year-old superstar will finish his career at Punt Road despite speculation he could link up with new Gold Coast coach Hardwick at the Suns.
“It’s really clear that you can’t play the type of football Dustin has played without being so heavily invested in the football club,” the coach said.
“I think he just loves it, he cares about winning so much and … if he’s not in serious contention for the All Australian team, it’s absurd.
“I just think what he has been able to do, playing as a forward, is just quite extraordinary for what he’s been able to produce this year.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/tigers-boss-fears-absurd-dusty-allaus-snub-but-says-its-proof-he-wont-be-traded/news-story/b859f582517f3705fb3d2fde47ef2adb
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From Barrett's late Sunday version of his 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ...
Cotch and Jack played their last games as Tigers in round 23 ...
THEN ...
we won't know for some time yet if round 24 was Dusty's final one. Yes, I know he's contracted for 2024, but only when the upcoming trade period comes and goes will we know for sure where this all-time great will be in 2024, with Dimma already in his head.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1019171/damo-column-sun-aug-27
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From Barrett's late Sunday version of his 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ...
Cotch and Jack played their last games as Tigers in round 23 ...
THEN ...
we won't know for some time yet if round 24 was Dusty's final one. Yes, I know he's contracted for 2024, but only when the upcoming trade period comes and goes will we know for sure where this all-time great will be in 2024, with Dimma already in his head.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1019171/damo-column-sun-aug-27
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Gee budget Elvis Costello is a flog... :wallywink
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From Barrett's late Sunday version of his 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ...
Cotch and Jack played their last games as Tigers in round 23 ...
THEN ...
we won't know for some time yet if round 24 was Dusty's final one. Yes, I know he's contracted for 2024, but only when the upcoming trade period comes and goes will we know for sure where this all-time great will be in 2024, with Dimma already in his head.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1019171/damo-column-sun-aug-27
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Gee budget Elvis Costello is a flog... :wallywink
no wonder Dusty hates talking to the media
Edit: fixed quoting tags.
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IF ...
You have half a brain...
THEN ...
You don't waste your time reading any of the tripe written by Barrett.
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Dusty’s last 9 games playing 86% of game time as a forward.
27 disp
35 disp
29 disp 1 goal
23 disp 2 goals
24 disp 2 goals
21 disp 3 goals
26 disp
31 disp 3 goals
33 disp 1 goal
https://twitter.com/_tigertime/status/1696090957471703134
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The nuclear option to fast-track a rise up the ladder next year for the 10 non-finalists
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
29 August 2023
13TH: RICHMOND
Lance Franklin just retired at 36, and only because his body was failing him.
Scott Pendlebury, Todd Goldstein, Tom Hawkins, Shannon Hurn and Travis Boak have all had relatively strong seasons at age 35.
The message – sign up 32-year-old Dustin Martin now past 2024.
Gold Coast has gone cold on its interest and Martin won’t want to go into next year unsigned as an unrestricted free agent.
If Richmond wants to continue to contend next year it must be with a committed Martin who is not worrying about his future as a player able to walk to a new home at season’s end.
In the last 10 weeks of the season he was still Richmond’s best player as the All-Australian committee ponders his inclusion on Monday.
If the Tigers could lock him away until 2026 on a total deal of $2.8 million (including next year’s $1.3-$1.4 million) they would still be repaid in spades.
Just like they have every time with Martin.
The green shoots finally came through on Sunday with players like Thomson Dow, Sam Banks, Tom Brown and James Trezise, but it will be a long, dark 2024 if Martin departs for a rival club and Tom Lynch can’t get on the park.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/trade-hq/wreck-it-ralph-the-nuclear-option-to-fasttrack-a-rise-up-the-ladder-next-year-for-the-10-nonfinalists/news-story/913a82ce08ea30810465eb86bd29e1b2
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@hoyney35 names Champion Data's top 10 rated players based on expectation at the end of the H&A season:
1. Jack Sinclair
2. Zak Butters
3. Dan Houston
4. Marcus Bontempelli
5. Taylor Walker
6. Charlie Curnow
7. Nick Blakey
8. Nick Daicos
9. Dustin Martin
10. Tom Liberatore
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1696436305528602645
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From Tom Morris on SEN:
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
“I said to weeks ago to hold the Dusty chat and I still believe that… in fact, I’m probably even more resolute on that now. Damien Hardwick has not been pushing for him behind the scenes, even though he was coy in public he hasn’t been pushing for him.
“There is a private understanding with key decision makers at the Gold Coast Suns that the only way this is even remotely possible is if Dusty agrees to take a pay cut next year and even then, Richmond would have to say yes, which I don’t think they’re going to do.
“If Dusty ends up on the Gold Coast, I firmly believe it will be ahead of the 2025 season as a free agent, not ahead of the 2024 season.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/31/tom-morris-comprehensive-afl-trade-and-contract-update-on-silvagni-thomas/
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I don't see a scenario where Dusty leaves but he is someone who would value getting out of the fish bowl.
It poses an interesting debate about contracts and trading players pre free agency, a bit like how EPL players are traded before their contract finishes so they don't lose them on a free. We have free agency compo but I don't think we would get much for Dusty yet pre free agency we may get a first rounder if we are lucky depending who it is. Someone like a Brisbane would throw away a first rounder for him where I'm unsure someone like a GC would.
Be interesting to see how FA evolves and whether compo remains long term and whether clubs begin trading players they'd prefer to keep but to avoid losing currency for nothing with FA go to the trade trable.
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If he wants to go to GCS then pick 7 can come our way tyvm
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It has been 6 years since Dusty chose to stay at Richmond and sign a 7-year deal before the 2017 finals.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-31/martin-commits-to-tigers,-signing-whopping-new-contract/8861250?section=sport
Since then:
1 Brownlow Medal 🏅
3 Norm Smith Medals 🏅🏅🏅
3 Premierships 🏆🏆🏆
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I can’t remember who it was maybe lambert or ellis on dyl and friends and they said something like the announcement of the re-signing in 2017 right before finals really super charged the team.
My heart tells me Dusty is Richmond through and through and while he might go window shopping he will finish as a tiger
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I can’t remember who it was maybe lambert or ellis on dyl and friends and they said something like the announcement of the re-signing in 2017 right before finals really super charged the team.
My heart tells me Dusty is Richmond through and through and while he might go window shopping he will finish as a tiger
I hope you're right. I'd just about spew up to see him play his 300th in a Gold Coast jumper. What a disaster that would be for all Tigers, and his own 'brand'.
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Media was talking him up for AA when they thought he was leaving - then he didn't get it and none of them seem to be particularly outraged....indicates to me that he's probably staying now... :shh
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Media was talking him up for AA when they thought he was leaving - then he didn't get it and none of them seem to be particularly outraged....indicates to me that he's probably staying now... :shh
If he played for the Cats he’d be an 8 time AA by now. Highlights the absurdity of that entire award and the morons who are on the voting panel.
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Tom Browne said Dusty's future is still "slighty up in the air" and there's "whispers" Dusty would be interested in playing up on the Gold Coast "for a break". Dusty owed up to $1.2-1.4 million in his last year of his contract. AFL will need to intervene with ambassador money.
Browne also said that because Dusty has won three premierships and three Norm-Smiths (Browne couldn't remember this btw :facepalm) then he wouldn't care about reaching 300 games with Richmond (Browne saying this if he was Dusty) :facepalm :huh3.
Manager Ralph Carr to touch base with Richmond next week as Dusty has his exit meeting then. We'll hear more about this issue next week.
Go to 5:30 min mark: https://www.listnr.com/podcasts/triple-m-footy-afl/episodes/tom-brownes-news-trade-latest-on-ratugolea-grundy
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Tom Browne said Dusty's future is still "slighty up in the air" and there's "whispers" Dusty would be interested in playing up on the Gold Coast "for a break". Dusty owed up to $1.2-1.4 million in his last year of his contract. AFL will need to intervene with ambassador money.
Browne also said that because Dusty has won three premierships and three Norm-Smiths (Browne couldn't remember this btw :facepalm) then he wouldn't care about reaching 300 games with Richmond (Browne saying this if he was Dusty) :facepalm :huh3.
Manager Ralph Carr to touch base with Richmond next week as Dusty has his exit meeting then. We'll hear more about this issue next week.
Go to 5:30 min mark: https://www.listnr.com/podcasts/triple-m-footy-afl/episodes/tom-brownes-news-trade-latest-on-ratugolea-grundy
The only ones who are having "this issue " is Tom Browne & his hack media mates. I seriously doubt that Dusty is even thinking about it.
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Lost me at if Richmond want to contend next year.
Next year will be worse than this year, Plain old common sense says so. lets hope this off season they dont trade another future first away hoping to contend.
This off season they should be doing all they can to get back into the early part of the draft in recognition of where we are at and have been for three years now.
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1. The uncertain futures
Jon Ralph
HeraldSun
4 September 2023
We made the journey to the MCG in round 23 so the kids could take in the Jack Riewoldt- Trent Cotchin farewell tour.
Really, I was there to say a pre-emptive goodbye to Dustin Martin.
At that stage, the jungle drums were deafening that Martin was open to a move to Gold Coast …. and the Suns were keen on him.
As it turns out, the Suns have gone a little cold.
But Martin is yet to meet with manager Ralph Carr for his post-season catch-up to sort out what his medium-term future looks like.
The rugrats took an incredible amount of wrangling – don’t they always – so it was a rare stat-free and radio commentary-free afternoon.
Martin was engaged and involved – and just bloody spectacular.
Three weeks on, as Richmond and North Melbourne plot their off-season strategies – one hanging onto past glories, another keen to throw off the mantle as footy’s worst team – the game remains stuck in my head.
Why?
Because in teams with few real match-winners, Richmond and North Melbourne need Martin and Thomas to stay around to fulfil contacts next year more than ever.
Imagine Richmond’s next coach going into the 2024 season without Martin, effectively coaching without his most dangerous forward-line weapon?
It’s impossible to contemplate, so Richmond needs to do what it needs to sign him up past 2024, keep him content, and let him play out his dotage at Punt Road.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/wreck-it-ralph-the-big-questions-and-looming-decisions-ahead-of-the-afl-trade-and-free-agency-period/news-story/12271fcc863717dfbb159c69c31d11a2
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Caro mentioning Swans may be keen on Dusty potentially
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what for pick 15 after academy picks/fa.
stfu Caro you old hag.
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Ahhhh Gold Coast link proved to be nothing more than a lazy made up story on the basis of Dusty’s old coach being there so now they’re back to the much more credible link of him going to Sydney on the basis of the iron clad insider info that, checks notes, dusty likes the city of Sydney….
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1st pick & Amartey or McDonald thanks. :shh
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Caro mentioning Swans may be keen on Dusty potentially
WATCH SEGMENT HERE: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1698675503324975429
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It comes as Wilson expressed her worry towards the future of Richmond champion Dustin Martin at Punt Road, who may be considering a move in the off season after a mass exodus.
"I still in my heart believe and Richmond people at the club believe that he does want to play 300 games for Richmond and no one else," Wilson said.
"(But) he is a bit disenchanted at the moment, all his close mates have left, he's just farewelled Trent Cotchin, his major on field mentor and his other favourite Jack Riewoldt and he doesn't know who's going to be coaching him next year.
"He hasn't quite made up his mind. Other clubs still believe there is a conversation to be had and the Sydney Swans are one of them."
The AFL trade period begins on Monday October 8.
Source: Nine (https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2023-caroline-wilson-calls-out-gold-coast-suns-coach-damien-hardwick-for-disrespectful-richmond-jabs/3b2d2be5-118b-46ee-8e1e-ae7b9212d382).
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According to Tom Browne on 7news:
* Dusty is now "away". He has had his exit interview at Richmond and is now weighing up his future.
* The key to any Gold Coast offer is the AFL kicking in some ambassador money. Browne asked Gill about it. Gill responded by saying it's a "hypothetical" and he has no knowledge of any conversation personally. Gill then repeated that he has no knowledge of any approach.
Go to 0:32 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1698620505086161271
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1st pick & Amartey or McDonald thanks. :shh
That would be great, but Dio do you have much confidence in us even getting something like that?
Look what we coughed up for hopper because it was Dimmas new toys" that was going to give us another flag We were bent over, and now he is gone to new toys as our toys are crap.
Now we are forced to get back into the draft. Clubs know that we will be desperate, and will look to feed off that.
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1st pick & Amartey or McDonald thanks. :shh
That would be great, but Dio do you have much confidence in us even getting something like that?
Look what we coughed up for hopper because it was Dimmas new toys" that was going to give us another flag We were bent over, and now he is gone to new toys as our toys are crap.
Now we are forced to get back into the draft. Clubs know that we will be desperate, and will look to feed off that.
If Lynch hadn't gone down I think we'd have finished higher, at least 7-10th. With academy selections that would see out pick from to 12-16ish easily.
We gambled and lost.
As for Dusty, nobody is paying a price that high, especially given his wage for 2024 and his age.
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1st pick & Amartey or McDonald thanks. :shh
That would be great, but Dio do you have much confidence in us even getting something like that?
Look what we coughed up for hopper because it was Dimmas new toys" that was going to give us another flag We were bent over, and now he is gone to new toys as our toys are crap.
Now we are forced to get back into the draft. Clubs know that we will be desperate, and will look to feed off that.
If Lynch hadn't gone down I think we'd have finished higher, at least 7-10th. With academy selections that would see out pick from to 12-16ish easily.
We gambled and lost.
As for Dusty, nobody is paying a price that high, especially given his wage for 2024 and his age.
gary ablett junior
Geelong gave up No.19 and a second-round selection in next year's NAB AFL Draft in exchange for Ablett, No.24 and Gold Coast's fourth-round selection next season.
The Cats received No.19 as compensation for Steven Motlop's move to Port Adelaide as a restricted free agent. :shh
Im not sure what this means in terms of points, but GAJ was cooked when he went to the cats and was 33 years of age.
Dusty is a first rounder any day of the week in his current form. FFS hopper was and who would you rather if you were the Swans having a shot at a flag on a small scg pitch?
A club may also offer a 3 year deal :shh
That said i agree unless we fork out some of his wage which i wouldnt rule out given our latest blunders.
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1st pick & Amartey or McDonald thanks. :shh
That would be great, but Dio do you have much confidence in us even getting something like that?
Look what we coughed up for hopper because it was Dimmas new toys" that was going to give us another flag We were bent over, and now he is gone to new toys as our toys are crap.
Now we are forced to get back into the draft. Clubs know that we will be desperate, and will look to feed off that.
If Lynch hadn't gone down I think we'd have finished higher, at least 7-10th. With academy selections that would see out pick from to 12-16ish easily.
We gambled and lost.
As for Dusty, nobody is paying a price that high, especially given his wage for 2024 and his age.
gary ablett junior
Geelong gave up No.19 and a second-round selection in next year's NAB AFL Draft in exchange for Ablett, No.24 and Gold Coast's fourth-round selection next season.
The Cats received No.19 as compensation for Steven Motlop's move to Port Adelaide as a restricted free agent. :shh
Im not sure what this means in terms of points, but GAJ was cooked when he went to the cats and was 33 years of age.
Dusty is a first rounder any day of the week in his current form. FFS hopper was and who would you rather if you were the Swans having a shot at a flag on a small scg pitch?
A club may also offer a 3 year deal :shh
That said i agree unless we fork out some of his wage which i wouldnt rule out given our latest blunders.
Was GAJ contracted? I can't remember.
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So geelong gave up 5 spots pick 19 to 24 and a fourth rounder for Ablett. Thats effectively a 4th rounder.
Geelong in 2010 recieved a first round compensation pick and a second round compensation pick for 26 yo Ablett.
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So geelong gave up 5 spots pick 19 to 24 and a fourth rounder for Ablett. Thats effectively a 4th rounder.
Geelong in 2010 recieved a first round compensation pick and a second round compensation pick for 26 yo Ablett.
yes they did, and also gave up a second rounder. so net loss was 4 spots and a second rounder but gained a 4th.
Geelong gave up No.19 and a second-round selection in next year's NAB AFL Draft in exchange for Ablett, No.24 and Gold Coast's fourth-round selection next season.
who knows what that works out to be in terms of points.
Andy, i think he walked out on the contract, but i am not 100%
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I believe Ablett had a sook, wanted to play on ball and not half back and give room for the young kids to develop in the midfield and threatened to quit on the spot if a trade to geelong couldn’t be facilitated
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So geelong gave up 5 spots pick 19 to 24 and a fourth rounder for Ablett. Thats effectively a 4th rounder.
Geelong in 2010 recieved a first round compensation pick and a second round compensation pick for 26 yo Ablett.
yes they did, and also gave up a second rounder. so net loss was 4 spots and a second rounder but gained a 4th.
Geelong gave up No.19 and a second-round selection in next year's NAB AFL Draft in exchange for Ablett, No.24 and Gold Coast's fourth-round selection next season.
who knows what that works out to be in terms of points.
Andy, i think he walked out on the contract, but i am not 100%
Checked. Was contracted for the next year and said if they didn't trade him he would quit football entirely lol.
Anyway it all comes down to money and picks etc. Dusty isn't worth much IMO given his huge contract.
If GCS wanted to take him on for a reasonable pick but was willing to take his full contract that would allow us to offer a free agent some good money.
We owe Dusty nothing but I really hope he stays. Won't be much else to enjoy over the next couple of years I worry.
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It's simple - he's contracted , give us what we want or he stays and you can get him when he's a year older and we don't have to cover his salary with the hope he doesn't get injured or slows down and maintains his desire to keep playing in the meantime.... :shh
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Tom Browne on MMM:
“My understanding is that Dusty’s having a break and considering all this”, Browne said on Tom Browne’s News.
“Dusty, my understanding is, will lend some consideration to whether he stays at Richmond and becomes a 300 game Richmond legend — which he already is — or diversifies if you like, goes to the Gold Coast for a bit of a fresh start… that might integrate a bit better with what he wants to do, lifestyle wise.”
LISTEN HERE: https://articles.listnr.com/sport/afl/tom-browne-says-dustin-martin-is-lending-proper-consideration-to-a-gold-coast-move/
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"In my understanding" or "I guess" or "I make up"
These guys get 1 in 20 of these correct, at best.
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Thought "It's my understanding..." was Caro's catchphrase.... :shh
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According to Cal Twomey on SEN:
Dustin Martin (Richmond)
“I think the Dustin Martin situation becomes a lot more real next year.
“I just don’t think there’s any reason for him to go up to the Gold Coast despite potentially being a bit unsettled at the moment with a new coach coming in, his old mates leaving the club, there’s an element of that.
“I don’t see any reason for him to want to go and smooth out his money next year.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/09/05/cal-twomeys-trade-update-on-thomas-perkins-grundy-and-more/
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7NEWS AFL reporter Mitch Cleary said the Martin talk “would not go away”, despite the Brownlow medallist being on good money with a year to go on his Richmond contract.
Cleary said he still thought Martin would stay at the Tigers but asked Cotchin if there was “any world” where we could see Dusty playing under Hardwick?
“(Martin is) up on the Gold Coast at the moment having a little holiday. I don’t think there’s anything more to it than that,” Cotchin said on Talking Finals.
“It’d be great to see him as a 300-plus game player for the Tigers in the yellow and black. Is it some pre-retirement fun to go up there (to the Gold Coast) and enjoy the sunshine at the very end of his career? I’m not sure (but) I know that one of his values is loyalty.”
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/alex-rance-and-dustin-martin-on-the-gold-coast-with-shock-comeback-rumour-catching-fire-c-11809256
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https://twitter.com/Jonesracing82/status/1699430808115716218
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"He's a Richmond man for life." 🐯
Tiger Dan Rioli has his say on where he thinks Dustin Martin will be playing his footy in 2024.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1699373284616552702
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Dusty heads to Gold Coast ... but it is holiday season
Sam McClure
The Age
September 7, 2023
Dustin Martin is on the Gold Coast, but there’s no reason to be concerned if you’re a Richmond supporter. Well, not yet, anyway.
He’s there on a holiday.
Upon being contacted by this column, two Gold Coast Suns sources confirmed that they were aware that Martin was on the Gold Coast but wouldn’t comment whether anyone from the club was planning to catch up with him.
Richmond have always maintained that Martin will see out his contract at Punt Road, with chief executive Brendon Gale stating as recently as a fortnight ago that he was confident the three-time Norm Smith medallist would be playing his 300th game in yellow and black next year.
Martin does have his fair share of friends up on the coast. Premiership teammate and close friend Brandon Ellis plays for the Suns, list manager Craig Cameron is the man who drafted Martin to Richmond in 2009 and football boss Wayne Campbell is a friend and confidant.
Oh and Suns coach Damien Hardwick knows him, too.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-heads-to-gold-coast-but-it-is-holiday-season-20230906-p5e2bo.html
Only another six weeks of this crap ::).
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Martin defiantly strongly considering GC. Issue will be $. He’ll have to take a haircut or agree to spread next year $ over next 3 years. We’ll get future 1st for Dusty and future 3rd.
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Ok why is Dusty in QLD?
He is visiting someone very close who is comforting, this is the same person he used to visit regularly in Sydney who has made the move north.
Aside from that which QLD club can fit him in their cap??
https://twitter.com/mcdonellaussie/status/1699646774531793101
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Broady is 90% certain Dusty will stay and play his 300th game after seeing Cotch and Jack reach it. He doesn't talk to Dusty about contracts.
Go to 6:50 min mark: https://articles.listnr.com/sport/nathan-broads-blunt-response-to-dion-prestia-trade-gossip/
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Exclusive - Dustin Martin has met with Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast.
Go to 0:45 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1699706797735759899
"It is seen by those at the Suns that he will stay at Richmond."
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1699707144499847389
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Exclusive - Dustin Martin has met with Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast.
Go to 0:45 min mark: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1699706797735759899
"It is seen by those at the Suns that he will stay at Richmond."
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1699707144499847389
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https://globeecho.com/news/australia/dustin-martin-spotted-meeting-damien-hardwick-on-the-gold-coast/
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:lol :lol
Why is Dusty catching up with Dimma
I thought Dusty didn't love him anymore
Sure I read something along those lines somewhere
:rollin
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Dusty will stay, play his 300th.
GC will improve next year and the jungle drums will beat for Dusty to be the cream for them to get to finals.
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Could Suns even get Dusty deal done?
Gold Coast would be challenged in finding a satisfying trade deal for Dustin Martin even if they decided to make a concerted run at the triple Norm Smith Medallist.
Martin is considering his future and has told confidantes he might be ready for a change as he awaits a meeting on his future with manager Ralph Carr.
But the Suns have, at this stage, been lukewarm on a move, given they couldn’t pay his $1.3-4 million wage, he wouldn’t take a pay cut and Richmond wouldn’t contribute to a deal.
The Suns need to accumulate the points for rivals to bid on their trio of first-round academy selections as early as pick two (Jed Walter), pick 5 (Ethan Read) and pick 10 (Jake Rogers).
North Melbourne has always shown it is prepared to be faithful to its draft order when bidding on academy players so is a strong chance to call on Walter’s name at pick two.
So the Suns draft hand this year will be taken up, which means they might have to give up a future first-rounder for a player of Martin’s ilk.
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-2023-all-the-latest-news-and-intel-ahead-of-the-exchange-period/news-story/165450c5abb77d3c6d855e14ddeb2cc4
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DUSTY’S POST-SEASON TRIP SPARKS MORE SUNS CHATTER
After his side’s 2023 campaign ended in Round 24, Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has ventured to the Gold Coast … for a holiday.
And it appears the trip is about more than leisure after he was photographed meeting with incoming coach Damien Hardwick.
7NEWS posted photos of the pair meeting with Mitch Cleary saying the catch-up happened on Thursday afternoon.
“An interesting subplot (to the finals) as Dusty weighs up what comes next for him,” Cleary said.
“It is seen by the Suns that he will stay at Richmond but one to watch as the silly season begins to heat up on the back of the finals series.”
Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph told Fox Footy that Martin was “very keen to explore” a move, but that the Suns were “yet to fall in love with that proposal.”
“Quite clearly under the salary cap he would have to take a significant pay cut or Richmond would have to pay some of that salary, that’s not going to happen.”
Former St Kilda star Leigh Montagna was another skeptical Martin’s catchup with Hardwick meant a move to the Suns was imminent.
“I don’t think so. It’s hard to decipher whether he’s meeting the Gold Coast Suns coach or meeting a mentor and a very good friend and someone he’s had so much success with, who he probably hasn’t seen since whenever Dimma left,” he said.
“I’m sure they enjoyed a few vodka lime sodas and just caught up. I don’t think he’ll end up on the Gold Coast.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2023-dustin-martin-gold-coast-suns-damien-hardwick-todd-goldstein-essendon/news-story/3cbcb1dc60bb591907648611eb3808a1
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Dusty to the Suns is a hard no. Despite his meeting with Hardwick and his consideration to a fresh start it is too difficult. Richmond won’t trade him, Suns don’t have $1.4m in cap space and can’t find the picks. He knew it before he and Hardwick met up.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1700040836132811236
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Dusty 300 games+ as a Tiger. Take it to the bank.
https://twitter.com/_tigertime/status/1700081474123567225
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Hope he signs a new 2year deal next year too and retires a tiger.
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As categoric as we've seen 👏
@tommorris32 has a declaration on Dustin Martin's future.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1700355212224209119
Spoiler: Dusty is not leaving.
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"Dustin Martin caught up in crime spree"
That was the clickbait headline splashed on 7news tonight ::).
Reality:
Dusty lent his car to a mate. This mate then stupidly left the keys in the car at a service station while going inside the store to pay for the petrol. An opportunistic thief then pounced, stole the car and rammed a police vehicle 5 hours later.
Here it is:
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1619954851458465798
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/7newsreport30012023DustyStolenCar.png)
‘Entitled’ thief jailed after stealing Dustin Martin’s luxury car.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/entitled-thief-jailed-after-stealing-dustin-martins-luxury-car/news-story/6d6e7371ed26e33a40fc3afd61dd5a31
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5yQSfXa0AA396A?format=jpg&name=900x900)
“I CAN GUARANTEE YOU”: RICHMOND ONCE AGAIN BATS AWAY MARTIN SPECULATION
Andrew Slevison
SEN
12 September 2023
Richmond icon Neil Balme has again moved to pour cold water on any rumours linking Dustin Martin to a potential Gold Coast Suns move.
The Tigers champion was seen meeting with his three-time premiership coach Damien Hardwick while holidaying on the Gold Coast last week.
The image set tongues wagging with many jumping to the conclusion that Martin is considering a shift to play under Hardwick at the Suns.
However, senior club advisor Balme is not expecting the 32-year-old to up and leave Punt Road.
Asked on SEN’s Whateley what he thought of Martin catching up with his old mentor on the Gold Coast, Balme replied: “I thought it was wonderful.
“Why wouldn’t he? He coached him for how long and they did all the things together.
“It gave you blokes (the media) something to talk about that he must be going there to play, which is not true, I can guarantee you.”
Does Balme expect that Hardwick would have asked Martin if he’d like to play for the Suns?
“Of course he would have, he’d be mad if he didn’t, ‘any chance at all?’” Balme laughed.
“But if you know ‘Duz’ you’ll know that’s not what he’s like. At this stage he doesn’t want to go and meet a whole bunch of new people and fit into a new team.
“He’s had a wonderful time at Richmond and we’re pretty confident he’ll spend his footy years at the Tigers.”
There has been some alternative chatter floating about that Martin is intent on playing 300 games for the Tigers, but Balme does not believe he would be motivated by such a milestone.
“Knowing him he wouldn’t think about it much,” Balme said further.
“But he will reflect on it later and enjoy the things (he’s achieved) because he’s about tomorrow and playing again.
“He just likes playing and he doesn’t get engaged in all that other stuff all that much.”
Martin has played 289 games for Richmond and will become the seventh Tiger to reach 300 games midway through the 2024 season.
He remains contracted with the Tigers until the end of next year.
https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1701393411369205985
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(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f5e3.svg) "Dustin's going to stay at Richmond." - Hardwick
Damien Hardwick on:
- his meeting with Dustin Martin.
- catching up with Alex Rance on the Gold Coast.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1701926131903893561
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Why Dusty is no chance to join Gold Coast next season
Sam McClure
The Age
September 14, 2023
Dustin Martin will see out his contract at Richmond in a bid to play his 300th game in yellow and black, but the three-time Norm Smith medallist remains open to finishing his career on the Gold Coast.
A Gold Coast source and a source close to Martin – speaking on condition of anonymity because of the confidentiality of the contracts – confirmed to this column that Martin told Gold Coast of his desire to remain at Punt Road next year after meeting coach Damien Hardwick and football boss Wayne Campbell at a Miami Beach bar last week. The same sources said he had not ruled out a move after his contract ends after next season.
Martin, who will go down as one of the – if not the – best Richmond players of all time, has been wrestling with his future for several months and has recently witnessed the departures of teammates and close friends Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt.
“I think he is a passionate person. He loves his Richmond family, I think he would like to play 300 games but, again, no one gets to decide that, only he does,” Cotchin told The Age’s Jon Pierik on Wednesday.
His decision to stay at Richmond is multi-faceted.
Martin is a fiercely loyal person and, as a principle, is keen to fulfil the massive contract that he and the club agreed to in 2017, when he was being heavily courted by North Melbourne.
Second, the money remaining on his contract makes the prospect of a trade considerably difficult. Martin will be paid more than $1 million next year. If he were to request a trade north, the Suns would want a substantial portion of that – more than half – to be funded by the Tigers.
Third, Martin knows he can see out his contract, play his 300th game with Richmond (he currently sits on 289) and then reconsider his future at the Suns without the restrictions of an existing contract.
Martin’s manager Ralph Carr was contacted by this column but chose not to comment.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-dusty-is-no-chance-to-join-gold-coast-next-season-20230913-p5e4cu.html
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Does anyone actually buy that the media know any sources close to dusty other than Ralph carr?
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Does anyone actually buy that the media know any sources close to dusty other than Ralph carr?
Blokes like Jack lol.
Carr would be a vault. Wouldn't give them a effing peep and that's why Dusty likes him and he's the perfect manager for our hero.
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Hang on, these jurno’s all but guarantee Dusty was leaving Richmond for somewhere north of the border, surely they couldn't be wrong continuously for 2 years, now they will blame the victim and say he changed his mind,
Yep, Jurnos are on par with land rats, umpires and AFL management but not as low as politicians
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The internet never forgets, Sam :shh.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F58t6rQbQAAhhoN?format=jpg&name=large) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F58t65macAAwzWo?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F58t7HWbYAAgwPp?format=jpg&name=large) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F58t7eQbAAAEkRY?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Jonesracing82/status/1702129686380490922
:stupid :wallywink
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The whole thing is made up.
Even the “confirmation” he was staying.
Remember, there are roughly 2 accredited media for every player in the afl.
Over 1500.
They sometimes have to do business with themselves.
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COULD WE SEE DUSTY IN THE MEDIA REGULARLY?
Nic Negrepontis
SEN
22 September 2023
The new AFL Collective Bargaining Agreement was announced on Thursday, with one of the more interesting notes surrounding the media availability of players.
All players who were named for the previous week’s game will be available to the media in the week following the match.
Does this mean we could see much more access to the league’s top players during the week across the season? Could Dustin Martin be asked to do regular media appearances?
AFL Players Association CEO Paul Marsh says clubs, who can be protective of player media availabilities, will need to get their heads around the tweak.
“There will be circumstances where for whatever reason it won’t be appropriate for a player to do media in a week,” Marsh told SEN Breakfast.
“The commitment here is that it’s not that hard. It’s a place we’ve been at for a little while and the clubs are going to need to buy in to this.
“It’s about promotion of the game and it’s important. Our model is that the players get paid based on a share of the game’s revenue and so we’re all incentivized to keep pushing and growing it and that’s important.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/09/21/could-we-see-dusty-in-the-media-regularly-and-an-unrestricted-mid-season/
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Benny Gale mentioned in the presser that he believes there's still more growth in Dusty as far as leadership.
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@Richmond_FC #Brownlow Career Totals
Martin 212
Bartlett 160
Cotchin 148
Richardson 140
Bourke 139
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D.Martin now 8th most Brownlow votes, all players, all time. #GoTiges
#Brownlow Career Totals
Ablett 262
Dangerfield 248
Dempsey 246
Mitchell 227
Pendlebury 219
Harvey 215
Selwood 214
Martin 212
Judd 210
Matthews 202
https://twitter.com/_tigertime
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"What the hell is going on here?"
What actually happened when Dimma caught up with Dusty on the Gold Coast? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f914.svg)
#TheFrontBar
Watch here: https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1707359372194783451
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Jack Dyer Medal: Most top 3 finishes
Dustin Martin x 9
Kevin Bartlett x 8
Wayne Campbell x 8
Francis Bourke x 7
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Dusty: Jack Dyer Medal
10: 4th
11: 3rd
12: 10th
13: 2nd
14: 3rd
15: 2nd
16: (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f947.svg)
17: (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f947.svg)
18: 3rd
19: 6th
20: 2nd
21: 5th
22: 19th
23: 2nd
https://twitter.com/_tigertime
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He finished 1st in 2020 in my eyes.
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"He's been short changed on the Best and Fairest but when you've got more Norm Smith's than Best and Fairest's it's not a bad result.
- @JoshJenkins24 on Dusty 'only' having 2 Richmond Best and Fairest's
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1709442471649005705
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Tigers officials weren't surprised to see Dusty churning out lap after lap at Punt Road this week. Now off for some time overseas but has had some medical tests recently which show he's in flawless nick. At 32 he's keen to play very deep into his 30s. In the form to do it
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1709854130859286657
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Dusty highlights from 2023:
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1709815397099442515
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Q. Is there any truth to the rumor that Dusty is close to extending his contract at Tigerland?
A (David Zita): Have not heard that re Dusty. I think he will wait until close of next season when he's an unrestricted free agent and weigh up a move to the Suns and go from there
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2023-thursday-october-12-trade-blog-live-chat-latest-updates-done-deals-signings-rumours/news-story/c2b14a5c090901e1dfd937f9daae07d5
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Dusty plays next year regardless.
Gives us a year to way up where we are at under Yze, it may be a sign him up for maybe a bit cheaper with post footy roles guaranteed and get a big fish via FA for a tilt. Or we go all in on rebuild and let Dusty go to GC or somewhere on good dollars which will get us 1st round compo. If we finished bottom 6 we'd get a very good pick for compo, as we rightfully should.
Personally hope it ends up being that we are rejuventaed under Yze, Lynch and Gibcus fit as fiddles, we nail a few mature age rookies to add to best 22 and have another tilt!
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Dusty really is the goat!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8Ti0R5agAAWgDk?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Jonesracing82/status/1712958808858005855
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Dustin Martin will finish his career with as a Gold Coast Sun says @sam_mcclure via @tradiespodcast (https://linktr.ee/tradiespodcast)
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeHub/status/1715955161431216470
He's still pushing this crap. Let it go, Sam! :facepalm
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Dusty's greatness on show 3 years ago today :bow
(https://media.tenor.com/QG3JGQiSYZgAAAAC/dusty-dustin-martin.gif)
From multiple angles: https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1716578556896227506
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Dustin Martin (the greatest of all time 🐐) training again at Punt Road. Remarkable commitment.
Maybe he’ll have an even better year next year; might that be enough for him to make the All Australian team? I think not.
https://twitter.com/jimpaull/status/1717640884509143084
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Dusty is mortal when it comes to other sports ;D.
https://twitter.com/shaimaxeyguy/status/1719325710735822958
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Trent Cotchin reveals how close Dustin Martin came to joining Damien Hardwick at Gold Coast
‘There’s always that carrot that’s being dangled. We had conversations.’
Glenn Valencich and Steve Larkin
7news
1 November 2023
Richmond great Trent Cotchin has revealed how close Dustin Martin came to leaving the AFL club and joining ex-coach Damien Hardwick at the Gold Coast Suns.
The prospect of Martin heading north appeared alive in September as a post-season meeting with Hardwick in Queensland did nothing to dull the talk.
But it was eventually confirmed he would see out the final year of his contract with the Tigers to join an exclusive group of 300-gamers at the club.
“Look, Dustin’s going to stay at Richmond. I think personally, for my opinion, that is absolutely the right thing for him to do,” Hardwick told Channel 7’s Talking Finals.
“He’s going to stay at Richmond, which is an enormous positive for that footy club.
“Me, like 17 other coaches, would love to have him on my side, but the fact of the matter it’s great that he’s going to play his 300th game at the Richmond Football Club next year.”
Cotchin, who retired after a farewell game in Round 23 this year, has now opened up on his role in the will he, won’t he saga.
The ex-captain said he counselled Martin as the triple Norm Smith medallist seriously considered his future.
“There’s always that carrot that’s being dangled, particularly when someone you love and trust goes up there to coach the footy club,” Cotchin told Triple M radio on Wednesday.
“You know, he has every right to contemplate it. We had conversations around it.
“But he’s pretty passionate and knows that the club has still got some great years ahead of them, and he’s got some great footy ahead of him as well.
“He really does like the idea of making that 300 milestone (at Richmond) ... it would be pretty special for him to join that club.”
Martin, on 289 games, is set to join Kevin Bartlett, Jack Riewoldt, Cotchin, Shane Edwards, Francis Bourke and Jack Dyer as Richmond 300-gamers next season.
There has been no firm indication what Martin, who turns 33 midway through next season, will do in 2025 and beyond.
Hardwick’s comments opened the door to another round of speculation that he could finish his career at the Suns but Cotchin’s remarks have now suggested otherwise.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/trent-cotchin-reveals-how-close-dustin-martin-came-to-joining-damien-hardwick-at-gold-coast--c-12399612
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7news tonight had vision of Dusty getting an early start to preseason training and running laps at Punt Rd.
Go to 0:38 min mark:
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/players/DustinMartin2023EarlyPreseason.png) (https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1722160000880222261)
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1722160000880222261
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Richmond set to open contract extension talks with superstar midfielder Dustin Martin
Dustin Martin will complete his current contract at the end of next season and has been linked with a shift to the Gold Coast. But the Tigers are planning to keep him in yellow and black for life.
Michael Warner
HeraldSun
13 November 2023
Richmond is poised to open contract extension talks with superstar midfielder Dustin Martin.
The triple Norm Smith medallist will complete his current seven-year deal at the end of next season and has been linked to a shift to the Gold Coast Suns where former coach Damien Hardwick has taken charge.
But the Tigers are confident Martin is keen to play out his career at Punt Rd.
“Dustin is a great of our club and fully invested in helping us write the next chapter – clearly we will have discussions with his management in the not too distant future,” Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said.
“2024 will be a really exciting year for both the club and himself. His 300th game will be a great occasion but knowing Dustin he will be far more focused on the regeneration of this team under (new coach) Adem Yze.
“He played some exceptional football last season. Change creates energy and I have no doubt Dustin feels that – he is a really important and valued part of our club.”
Martin, 32, finished runner-up in Richmond’s best-and-fairest this season behind Greater Western Sydney recruit Tim Taranto and is just 11 matches shy of the 300-game milestone.
He signed a monster seven-year, $9 million deal on the eve of the 2017 finals before leading the Tigers to three flags in four years.
Just six players – Kevin Bartlett, Jack Dyer, Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin, Francis Bourke and Shane Edwards – have played 300 or more games for the Tigers.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-set-to-open-contract-extension-talks-with-superstar-midfielder-dustin-martin/news-story/2200753cb94ed983500f157a6a302672
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Tigers make Dusty contract play amid AFL trade rumour that won’t go away
Fox Sports
November 14th, 2023
Despite Dustin Martin being linked with a reunion with Damien Hardwick to finish his career at the Gold Coast Suns, Richmond is set to open contract talks with the triple Norm Smith medallist in hopes of making him a Tiger a life.
Martin’s current lucrative seven-year, $9 million deal signed with Richmond in 2017 is due to expire at the end of next season, when he can become an unrestricted free agent.
Speculation has long swirled about the 32-year old’s next move, particularly after Hardwick’s mid-season departure from Punt Road, while the pair were spotted together on the Gold Coast.
The three-time premiership coach and Martin started their careers alongside each other at Richmond in 2010 and played crucial roles in the club’s three flag triumphs in 2017, 2019 and 2020.
It comes ahead of Martin’s 300th game in 2024 under new coach Adem Yze as a new era kicks off at Tigerland.
Tigers CEO Brendon Gale confirmed the club would kick off talks with Martin’s management, Ralph Carr from RCM SPORT, imminently regarding a new deal for 2025.
“Dustin is a great of our club and fully invested in helping us write the next chapter – clearly we will have discussions with his management in the not too distant future,” Gale said, per The Herald Sun.
“2024 will be a really exciting year for both the club and himself. His 300th game will be a great occasion but knowing Dustin he will be far more focused on the regeneration of this team under (new coach) Adem Yze.
“He played some exceptional football last season. Change creates energy and I have no doubt Dustin feels that – he is a really important and valued part of our club.”
Martin is coming off a strong 2023 campaign, averaging 23.6 disposals and 1.1 goals from 20 games to finish runner-up in the Tigers’ best and fairest and make the 4422-man All-Australian squad.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-2023-dustin-martin-contract-richmond-tigers-move-to-gold-coast-suns-reunion-with-damien-hardwick-latest-news/news-story/dcd83cf7270055acbdcb2127caea61ec
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“SOMEWHAT OF A SURPRISE”: CORNES REACTS TO DUSTIN MARTIN CONTRACT REPORTS
By Lachlan Geleit
SEN
14 November 2023
Richmond are set to open contract talks with three-time Norm Smith Medallist Dustin Martin.
The seven-year mega-deal signed by the superstar in 2017 is set to expire at the end of the 2024 season, but the Tigers are getting on the front foot to tie the 32-year-old to the club for life.
While the midfielder has been linked to a move north to join ex-coach Damien Hardwick on the Gold Coast, Richmond CEO Brendon Gale told the Herald Sun that the club will begin discussions with Martin’s management about 2025 and beyond shortly.
Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes was a huge fan of Martin’s 2024 season but he believes talks should be put on ice until mid-year.
After Richmond finished 13th in 2023, Cornes can’t see Martin playing in Richmond’s next premiership and he’s unsure whether the midfielder will be motivated playing in a team that may not taste success in the next few years.
“Richmond are poised to open up contract extension talks with superstar midfielder Dustin Martin who had a great year last year,” Cornes said on SEN Sportsday.
“It is somewhat of a surprise (because of reports linking him to Gold Coast).
“I think it's just a bit early. It's just a bit early for both (club and player).
“If I was Dustin Martin, I'd just be happy to wait perhaps till mid-year.
“I don't know him, but he feels like the player who's not going to be motivated playing in a team that's losing a lot and that's where I think Richmond are going to be.
“I could be completely wrong on that … but that's why I would wait.”
While Cornes doesn’t think signing Martin long-term is a risk for Richmond, he pondered whether the club could benefit from the superstar departing.
Even though the side would no doubt be worse on-field immediately following a departure, Cornes pondered whether the club could reset with some cap space and draft picks heading their way in a trade.
“For Richmond, I'd wait as well. I don't think there's much risk in going again with Dustin Martin. But what if you could get a good draft pick for him?” Cornes asked.
“What if you could clear up some space? What if you did need a bit of a reset?
“It might be the ideal time to send Dustin Martin off after 300 games.
“I just think to do it now before the season has started would be a bit premature.
“I'm on the fence here. I'm not calling it one way or the other than to say I’d just put it on the back burner if I was Dustin and I'd put it on the back burner perhaps until around Round 11 or 12 if I were the Tigers.”
Brownlow Medallist Gerard Healy was fully in support of Richmond’s push to re-sign their man and he hopes Martin retires a one-club legend.
“I don't see a win for the Tigers in getting rid of Dustin,” Healy said.
“I'm with Brendon Gale on this. Sign him up, make him a long-term (offer).
“There's no Richmond side that's better to watch than one that's got Dustin Martin in it.”
Martin has played 289 games for the Tigers. He averaged 23.6 disposals and 1.1 goals from 20 games in the 2023 season.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/11/14/somewhat-of-a-surprise-cornes-reacts-to-dustin-martin-contract-reports/
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What Cornes and the other commentators are seemingly unaware of is the number of kids we have that are nearing the ready to go mark.
Yes I acknowledge that all of them have questions on their abilities and the easiest thing is to be negative. 2024 for mine is going to be an exciting year, new coach, new systems and kids stepping up. And the finishing ladder position for 2024 is not as important as finding out which of the kids will be long term players for us.
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Gold Coast boss hints at potential Dustin Martin move
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
15 November 2023
Gold Coast Suns CEO Mark Evans has hinted the club will be prepared to make a move for 2024 free agent Dustin Martin if he remains unsigned late into next year.
Martin was continuously tied to the Carrara club over the course of this season, with speculation surrounding the triple Norm Smith Medal winner increasing following the appointment of ex-Tigers coach and Martin's close mentor Damien Hardwick as the Suns' replacement for the departed Stuart Dew.
The Richmond superstar's lucrative seven-year deal is set to expire in 2024, making Martin an unrestricted free at the conclusion of his 15th campaign at Punt Road.
Martin had turned down the potential option to head north and reunite with Hardwick for the latter's first year at the helm of the Suns, instead deciding to see out the final term of his deal and likely become the next Tiger to reach the 300-game mark in the yellow and black.
Gold Coast will be ready to make their move next year if Martin doesn't sign an extension with Richmond however, with Evans hoping the champion Tiger "likes playing in Darwin".
"I guess it's been speculated because of his relationship with Damien Hardwick and I know he's out of contract at the end of [next] year," Evans said at the press announcement of the club's new playing deal in the Northern Territory on Monday.
"If no contract is done with Richmond, that obviously means there's a chance to talk with him.
"Hopefully he likes playing in Darwin."
The Tigers themselves are preparing their own move to have Martin on their books for 2025, with their own CEO in Brendon Gale hoping an extension can be struck "in the not too distant future".
Gale told News Corp of his hopes that Martin sees himself as a one-club player following a strong 2023 season where he earned a spot in the All-Australian squad.
"Dustin is a great of our club and fully invested in helping us write the next chapter – clearly we will have discussions with his management in the not too distant future," Gale told the publication.
"He played some exceptional football last season. Change creates energy and I have no doubt Dustin feels that – he is a really important and valued part of our club."
Should Martin play a further 11 games for Richmond next year, he'll become the seventh Tiger to play 300 matches for the club, following premiership teammates Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt in doing so.
https://www.zerohanger.com/gold-coast-boss-hints-at-potential-dustin-martin-move-145616/
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'A lot of footy left' in Dusty ahead of 2024 season
Richmond are hopeful superstar Dustin Martin will extend his time with the Tigers beyond the end of 2024.
By Dejan Kalinic
AFL Media
16 November 2023
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin has "a lot of footy left in him" and the Tigers are hopeful of extending his deal.
A three-time premiership winner, Brownlow medallist and four-time All-Australian, Martin, 32, is out of contract at the end of 2024.
But the Tigers are hoping to extend the gun's stay beyond next year.
"There'll be conversations that Blair (Hartley, Richmond General Manager- Football Talent) would be already having with his management group about what he wants to do short- and long-term," Richmond National Recruiting Manager Matthew Clarke told AFL.com.au's Gettable Draft Countdown on Thursday.
"Dustin's a fantastic preparer of his own body so he's still got a lot of footy left in him so it's not like he's going to come back and maybe look to be one and done.
"He's got a really good understanding of what he needs to do to get fit and he prepares as well as anybody so conversations will be had there for sure about hopefully extending his time with us."
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1466080/a-lot-of-footy-left-in-dusty-ahead-of-2024-season
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If Dusty plays every game, his 300th will be against Essendon, Dreamtime game. What an occasion that will be! #GoTiges
https://twitter.com/JamesBarbante/status/1725055980977946649
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..'We hope he's a Richmond man forever': Contract call in Dusty's hands
By AAP
6 hrs ago
Adem Yze won't force a contract decision out of Richmond star Dustin Martin, whose future remains uncertain entering the final year of his existing deal
NEW RICHMOND coach Adem Yze wants to create an environment that will encourage superstar Dustin Martin to commit the rest of his playing career to the club.
Martin is approaching the final season of his monster seven-year contract with the Tigers as former Hawthorn and Melbourne assistant Yze takes the reins for his first season as senior coach.
The 32-year-old triple-premiership hero is on track to next season become the seventh player in Richmond history to reach the 300-game milestone.
But his playing future beyond 2024 remains a subject of speculation, which ramped up in recent months when it became clear former Richmond coach Damien Hardwick would take over at Gold Coast.
Tigers CEO Brendon Gale revealed this month the club will soon look to open negotiations with Martin's management over a new deal, though Yze said he won't force the process.
"We want Dusty to be happy and we want him to enjoy his footy," Yze told reporters on Wednesday.
Dustin Martin looks on after the R19 match between Richmond and Hawthorn at the MCG on July 22, 2023. Picture: AFL Photos
"We want him to train well and play well.
"I'm not going to put pressure on a timeline of him making that decision.
"It's a big decision for him. I just hope that he gets the right feeling about not only myself but our coaching staff."
Arguably Richmond's greatest-ever player, Martin has returned for pre-season training in good shape and went through his paces with teammates at Punt Road on Wednesday.
He has 289 games under his belt and is set to join retired former teammates and fellow premiership stars Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin and Shane Edwards in the 300-game club.
Martin, who made his debut in 2010, could feasibly move into third place on the Tigers' all-time games played list next year behind Riewoldt (347) and record-holder Kevin Bartlett (403).
Jack Dyer and Francis Bourke have also racked up a triple century for the club.
"He's an amazing Richmond person and we hope he's a Richmond man forever," Yze said.
"That's going to be his decision but my job is to give him the environment that he enjoys and knows that he can keep improving (here)."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1068660/we-hope-hes-a-richmond-man-forever-contract-call-in-dustin-martins-hands
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this will be my final reply to you on this issue because you refuse for whatever reason to actually read what I've written.
-MISS 5 HOME AND AWAY GAMES (you failed to mention that in your comments previously)
-pay a $5000 fine
-"pay a big chunk of change to White Ribbon"
-"spend time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message"
Firstly this is what I quoted when I first replied to you with examples of what I wrote
Yes this female may well have said something to him but regardless of what was said, his response was totally inappropriate.
Agree
Have said a couple of times he was complete moron and his actions were disgusting
After having time to consider it all
Taking out how it all came to being in the public domain which is I think is dubious at best the fact is he, while drunk threatened someone; gender is not the issue. The issue is he threatened someone. So based on that...
I believe he needs to be punished and it needs to be a decent punishment, slap over a the wrist and a token fine isn't enough. Understand under the CBA maximum he can be fined is $5k what a farcical situation that is
Anyway IMESHO he should cop a suspension of the entire preseason comp and a minimum of 5 weeks of the main season, the $5k fine is obvious but I'd be telling him it's in his best interest to donate a large chunk of change to White Ribbon. I'd also get him to spend some time with the White Ribbon Org to hopefully get the message
Just my take
You accuse me of not mentioning something in my first post but it is clearly there so, I've highlighted it again. It is there, no failure on my part.
However, If you are taking about my very first reply without any quoting (which I think you might be :huh), then yep forgot the 5 H&A games but low an behold I didn't attempt to hide it and edit the direct quote out of the original thread did I? took ownership of what I wrote which is contrary to the your accusations about my posting.
I could have changed it but I didn't copied what I wrote at the time, didn't shy away from it, posted it lock, stock and barrel. So again don't accuse me of only posting half truths - I have in fact posted exactly what I wrote.
Its funny that you "stand by your comments" even though they were made before the police investigation and then hearing Dusty had no case to answer to??
Should he get the same punishment if found guilty or innocent?
Can you explain that?
Can anyone explain that?
i understand that was your opinion on hearing what the media said took place, but now after the police have said Dustry had no case to answer to that you still stand by the punishment you wanted for him originally??
You say "your views are there for all to see and you haven't changed them at all" but that's the point. Why does your original opinion on his punishment not change after hearing Dusty was wrongly accused??
He didn't do what was reported originally and yet you still want the same punishment to this day. As you say "you stand by your comments".
Can you please explain that??
Explain it? I have explained it but you don't like the answer so you want further explanation.
Wrongly accused? Yes He was not charged by the police for threatening the woman = not in dispute.
But he was also accused of being drunk in public, so drunk 3-4 weeks into pre-season training that he himself admitted he could remember what happened, he could barely stand up, and verbally abused a member of the public (granted an attention seeking hypocrite) . That is not in dispute and that is what IMESHO he should have still been punished for. that is what I said after he was cleared by the cops. My stance on his moronic behaviour did not change. Find it amusing that you've come after me over my comments but not bothered attacking anyone else. Why is that exactly?
But just so you know I wans't selective the other day in quoting posts on the topic here's a few more that are throughout the 74 pages, and oddly my opinion is the same throughout
A whack at the media
Now I am going to go whack here
I still think Dusty did a moronic thing
But he media have today stooped to anew level of gutter journalism
The HUN article Dio posted, the tripe in the Age from John Silvestor is simply shameful, pathetic and totally over the top. Talk about prejudicing a persons case.
Suggest the media Let the cops do their job rather than ranting like lunatics on Ice.
Let the cops decide what to do with this case
And if that means he gets charged, he gets charged, if if means there is no case here then fine move on.
But this media grandstanding and trying to score points off the back of this gutter journalism at of the highest order
From another poster who you haven't attacked but gave Dusty a whack
At the end of the day, Dustin has only got himself to blame.
If Dustin didn't have any understanding of how his actions could impact the larger supporter group and football community then he certainly will have now.
This is the reality that a lot of young footballers don't actually get, they don't actually get that they can have such a large-scale impact on the community of course with the backing of media hysteria.
Good luck to him, he is going to need it. The press are after blood, the club is probably too scared to act, not that they can probably do very much anyway, but still.
I think involving the police was very good idea I think by doing that it will actually stabilise the scene to some extent there will be some goading by press towards the Richmond football club to smash Dustin I think they need to judge the evidence on its merit and act accordingly.
He might get eight weeks
And then this (please read it carefully):
Why the lack of support behind our club and player WP? Seem all you have done is play devils advocate.
I support Dusty, but I am not going to sit here and say he didn't do a completely stupid, idiotic, moronic thing. I am not going to sit here a say he is the sole victim here because he isn't. 3-4 weeks into pre-season he goes out and gets himself so smashed he can't remember what he did or didn't do, that's not smart, that's stupid
He deserves to punished for being a an idiot. Do I believe he should cop 12 months, 15 games? No but he needs to cop some sort of whack.
If it was a player that people on here can't stand or a bloke in our bottom 10 and folks want out of the club I doubt the support would be there. The posts would be "sack him"
Forgive me for not excusing his behaviour simply because he is one of best players. In this situation all players should be treated the same..
And then this after it was announced he wasn't going to be charged (put my hand up here I thought the club would punish him they didn't - got that wrong)
Hahahahahahaha classic. WP you still thinks he deserves a punishment?? :thumbsup
Yeah, I do for being an idiot absolutely
Getting totally tanked, so tanked he can't remember what he did and behaving like moron in a public place 3 weeks into preseason was stupid so yeah he deserves a whack for that. Any other player would cop a punishment
And like it or not he will cop one :thumbsup
And finally from page 65 of the thread
I will be interested to see what the club does the next time one of our players is drunk in public. Will the be so generous in the punishment? They've set the standard so I hope they consistently apply this to every player on the list
And before people start in on me for having an opinion that's not popular
I have been very very consistent on this issue from day 1 and so people are clear I'll go through it all again
- Dusty deserved to be punished for being a moron. 4 weeks into pre-season training to be so drunk that he can't remember what he said or did is not acceptable. IMHO He is very lucky with what he's been dealt as it is a soft penalty. As I posted above I hope the club is consistent in any future punishment they dish out for similar incidents if they occur. Onus is on the club now to ensure they treat all players the same, doubt they will be but hey thats the RFC for you
- The woman who made the allegations - I have said from day 1- why if she was so traumatised, so in fear of safety did she not call the cops on the spot, get the restaurant to kick him out? Why did she wait over 48 hours to do anything (ring the club and tell her employer Ch7)? That was pathetic on her part. The fact she refused to give the cops a statement speaks volumes about her I would have thought
- I welcomed the Police getting involved. Glad they did because the accusations were serious. They have found that on the issue of the threats with chopsticks - no case.
- I made it very clear that if the accusations were found to be true then Dusty had to cop a whack. I stand by that I don't care who you are, what your lot in life is behaviour like that is simply not acceptable from anyone towards anyone, gender, race, nationality has no bearing
- I never once said he should be sacked or suspended for 12 months, said he should be punished for being a moron
Can I be any clearer in what I said / wrote? There is no ambiguity. My opinion is clear
So I have explained it. It's all there so what needs further explanation?
You don't like it, fine
But don't abuse me for having an opinon, don't accuse me of lying, accuse me of not owning my opinions and never accuse me of not supporting Dusty because I always have, always will. Bad, stupid, moronic behaviour by any of our players should not be ignored or excused just because of their ability or overall importance to the club. There shouldn't be different rules for different fools
I still think you are missing a very simple point-
You went hard at one of our players very early regardless of what they were accused of.
Why not give a person the benefit of the doubt before making sweeping statements on punishment.
Him being drunk in a public place and him threading to kill a female with chopsticks are miles apart. And so should the punishment. But it's clear you don't think that to this day.
I don't care if it was Dusty or Beliss who I cannot stand as a footballer, but I think both should get our support while things are just here say. If what was being reported was true than make a judgement after that was proven to be true.
I think I have been clear on my stance on this from day one too. Even the latest setback of Yarran, regardless of what he is going through or if we should of drafted him or not, he should get the support and loyalty of our supporters as he is one of us now.
To be honest the only reason I remembered YOU and nobody else through this, is because you are very measured with pretty much all your comments over the years on here, but I found what you suggested as punishment really early before knowing any facts totally out of character for you.
I don't like you or dislike you WP, but I was f$&king furious after reading your comments back then.
We all spend heaps of money on this club from year to year but one thing that doesn't cost anything is loyalty. And I think you fell short on the Dusty saga.
Apart from wanting to quote the longest quoted post ever I couldn’t find a White Ribbon thread.
Anyway does anyone know if White Ribbon have denounced the Hamas pigs for their sexual violence against women/girls.
The accounts are truly shocking and since white Ribbon are brave enough to make an unproven statement against Dusty you would think their denunciations against rapist murdering pigs would be all over the media.
And oh yeh free Palestine so more of these stuffers can be let into the world.
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Apart from wanting to quote the longest quoted post ever I couldn’t find a White Ribbon thread
Anyway does anyone know if White Ribbon have denounced the Hamas pigs for their sexual violence against women/girls.
The accounts are truly shocking and since white Ribbon are brave enough to make an unproven statement against Dusty you would think their denunciations against rapist murdering pigs would be all over the media.
And oh yeh free Palestine so more of these stuffers can be let into the world.
White Ribbon have been deafly silent Chuck just like a number of other Anti-violence charities and organisations in Australia and globally. They aren't alone in their silence
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
Who? :rollin
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
Who? :rollin
Like you don't know - a heroine of the left regularly feted by the likes of the ABC & The Project and all your usual favoured outlets of agitprop...... :shh
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
Who? :rollin
Like you don't know - a heroine of the left regularly feted by the likes of the ABC & The Project and all your usual favoured outlets of agitprop...... :shh
I was being sarcastic but anyways
Well you and others keep saying I'm a lefty which I find amusing but FWIW I have no time for Ms Ford, she's irrelevant to me
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
Who? :rollin
Like you don't know - a heroine of the left regularly feted by the likes of the ABC & The Project and all your usual favoured outlets of agitprop...... :shh
I was being sarcastic but anyways
Well you and others keep saying I'm a lefty which I find amusing but FWIW I have no time for Ms Ford, she's irrelevant to me
I'm a lefty moving centr as I get older and I haven't a moment for that trash bag
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Exclusive: Superstar Tiger Dustin Martin forced to leave the club’s Wonthaggi camp.
He copped a heavy knock early in match sim, sustaining a nasty cut to his chin. He’s now being monitored for possible concussion.
A less than ideal start to pre-season.
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https://twitter.com/bradeningram/status/1732210777635835936
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For the Tigers, three-time Norm Smith medallist Dustin Martin was left with a cut to his chin following a collision during the club’s training camp in Wonthaggi.
“Dustin Martin left the training track today following a collision during the club’s session in Wonthaggi,” the Tigers told Nine News Melbourne on Wednesday.
“He required treatment for a cut to his chin and will be monitored.”
Martin will in 2024 enter the final year of a lucrative contract, at the end of which he’ll become an unrestricted free agent.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-harley-reid-injury-dustin-martin-preseason-training-latest-casualty-ward/news-story/d0bf8504b604d355cf650e5957564f89
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Richmond will assess superstar Dustin Martin to see whether he can rejoin its pre-season camp after he needed stitches following a heavy head knock on the opening day.
Martin was forced from the track after suffering a cut to his chin during match simulation at Wonthaggi on Wednesday.
The Tigers said the 32-year-old had returned to the group after leaving the camp for treatment, and would be monitored for signs of concussion while remaining in Wonthaggi.
He could resume activities as early as Thursday as the Tigers train away from home for the first time under new coach Adem Yze.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2024-dustin-martin-assessed-after-head-knock-at-richmond-camp/news-story/487f7d72346d26a54c62b28e439ffaa6
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
Who? :rollin
Like you don't know - a heroine of the left regularly feted by the likes of the ABC & The Project and all your usual favoured outlets of agitprop...... :shh
I was being sarcastic but anyways
Well you and others keep saying I'm a lefty which I find amusing but FWIW I have no time for Ms Ford, she's irrelevant to me
come on WP, lets get real here
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Clem Ford certainly hasn't been quiet...... :shh
Who? :rollin
Like you don't know - a heroine of the left regularly feted by the likes of the ABC & The Project and all your usual favoured outlets of agitprop...... :shh
I was being sarcastic but anyways
Well you and others keep saying I'm a lefty which I find amusing but FWIW I have no time for Ms Ford, she's irrelevant to me
come on WP, lets get real here
Real about what exactly?
Are you suggesting I'm a liar about what I think of Ms Ford? She's an attention seeking fool who is doing her absolute best to set back equality 100 year under the guise of wanting equality. She is clueless
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Dusty 'good as gold' after training mishap
Dustin Martin has been cleared of concussion after copping a blow during match simulation at the club's community camp
By Martin Smith
3 hrs ago
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin joined in Tigers training on Thursday after being cleared of concussion following a head knock on Wednesday.
Martin required treatment after copping a blow during match simulation at the club's community camp on Victoria's Bass Coast, south east of Melbourne.
The 32-year-old received some stitches but joined in running and cycling activities with his teammates on Thursday, with new teammate Jacob Koschitzke saying the three-time Norm Smith Medallist was back to his normal self.
"He's been out and about," Koschitzke said. "He received a couple of stitches but otherwise he's pretty good. He did a bit of cycling and seemed up and about. He's good as gold and we know the champion he is so he'll be back in no time.
"I won't name and shame who the culprit was (who collided with Martin). But he has been good, he's been riding around on the bike, popping monos and wheelies. He's as good as gold."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1070966/dustin-martin-good-as-gold-after-richmond-tigers-pre-season-camp-mishap
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Star Tiger in career-best shape, forward's recovery on track
Dustin Martin is smashing personal bests in the gym in an ominous sign ahead of the 2024 season
By AAP
20 December 2023
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin is setting personal records in the gym and inspiring his Tigers teammates in his 15th pre-season.
The triple Norm Smith medallist is determined to prove to new Richmond coach Adem Yze he remains one of the League's elite players.
Yze is just the second full-time coach Martin has had after being led by Damien Hardwick in his debut season in 2010 until the middle of this year.
Martin, who is entering the final year of his seven-season contract, suffered a heavy knock during Richmond's training camp in Gippsland but was later cleared of concussion.
Tigers defender Jayden Short insisted Martin had returned from the off-season break in "unbelievable" shape in an ominous sign for the rest of the competition.
"When you get a new coach, everyone's got to impress again," Short said at Punt Rd on Tuesday.
"It's been good for our young boys, they get to impress a new coach and certainly us older boys as well.
"The way Dustin showed up was amazing.
"He's coming into his 15th year of AFL and he's setting PBs (personal records) in the gym and his running's certainly always improving as well.
"He's a great role model for everyone at this football club and I'm just lucky that I get to play alongside him and get to watch him go about his business every day.
"It makes us all want to get better when you see one of the best players in the competition always trying to get better.
"It's hard not to want to better yourself, he's an awesome footballer, but an even better person so we're very lucky."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1072700
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His manager could be in a bit of strife....
https://twitter.com/SerkanTheWriter/status/1737325398353138000?s=20
:shh
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WHAT STRUCK NEWMAN MOST ABOUT MARTIN UPON RICHMOND RETURN
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
21 December 2023
You could forgive Dustin Martin for tapering off as he enters his 15th season at Richmond.
The Tigers superstar has achieved it all in the game (well, almost).
He’s closing in on 300 games, has won three premierships, three Norm Smith Medals, a Brownlow Medal, three Gary Ayres Medals, two Jack Dyer Medals and is a four-time All-Australian, among many other accolades.
But that has not taken away from his love for the game or his desire to continue setting the standards at training.
New Tigers assistant Chris Newman, who captained Martin in his early days, insists the 32-year-old doesn’t have a ‘head wobble’ these days and is in fact more dedicated now than he once was.
Newman explained how he has been taken by Martin’s attitude, his want share his knowledge and his overall presence amongst the group.
“You’d think he’d have every right to be some sort of big head after winning all those things, but it’s just not in his nature,” Newman said of ‘Dusty’ on SEN Mornings.
“Dustin really is a humble person deep down and quite a private person. I think the biggest thing that struck me in terms of his change is his buy-in to helping others around him and (having) quite a vocal presence around the group.
“When I was there, he was in the first part of his football journey, but I’m really proud to see him grow the way he has into the person he is today.
“I’ve loved his training standards, he hasn’t missed a beat. He looks quite fit at the moment and he buys into everything – every session he’s trying his best.
“So I’m loving his training standards and hopefully that continues on until he starts to play some games.”
As is always the case with Martin, the chatter generally seems to revolve around what position he will play.
He has made his name as a midfielder but is also effective as a roaming forward, either kicking goals or setting them up.
With that being the case, Newman as midfield coach is eager to have Martin with him in that line, but expects the star to spend just as much time as a forward.
“There’s always a bit of a fight to see which line he’ll be in,” Newman added.
“I’d say in terms of his role, it wouldn’t be too dissimilar to what he’s done in the past.
“He’s obviously got a really strong presence in the midfield, he’s a strong stoppage player, hard to tackle, those types of things and provides some really quality use going forward.
“But also, he’s quite a good acquisition to have forward – a hard matchup one vs one.
“So I think we’ll look to spread his load across both lines.”
Martin has been setting personal bests in the gym this pre-season in perhaps a sign of things to come under new coach Adem Yze in 2024.
He’ll become just the seventh Tiger to reach 300 games at the club at the midway point of next season provided he remains injury free.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/12/20/hasnt-missed-a-beat-martin-setting-the-standards-ahead-of-15th-season-at/
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The media's pathetic obsession with hoping Dusty leaves Richmond :facepalm.
No name put to this article by the way either.
Dustin Martin finishes in the top five
It’s a different, more forward-heavy role for Dustin Martin, but he is playing it with aplomb and his 2023 numbers are quite remarkable. There’s already talk of Martin setting new records this pre-season, in which he’ll play his 300th game and further enshrine himself as one of the game’s greatest players. We know he polls votes and Dusty should be back with a vengeance in 2024.
Then moves to the Gold Coast
First of all, his move to the Suns becomes exponentially easier at the end of 2024 given he’ll be an unrestricted free agent and no longer on a deal in excess of $1 million. He’s also far more likely to add another premiership to his trophy cabinet at the building Suns than he is at a Richmond that’s in transition. That and reuniting with Damien Hardwick means a much-touted move to the Suns may finally, finally happen.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-predictions-for-2024-season-trade-news-rumours-ladder-premiership-odds-coach-contracts/news-story/2588dcef450c48fe1575e4c47458391f
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The media's obsession with this nonsense continues :facepalm.
The 10 biggest contract and trade stories to watch in 2024
afl.com.au
10 January 2024
Gettable's Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge take a look at the contract and trade stories that will dominate 2024.
Dusty's call
After famously signing a seven-year deal in 2017, Dustin Martin will be uncontracted at Richmond at the end of this year. The link with Gold Coast has always been rumoured and the arrival of former Tigers coach Damien Hardwick to the Suns will only fuel speculation of a move north for the 2025 season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1072225/the-10-biggest-contract-and-trade-stories-to-watch-in-2024
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And it still continues :facepalm.
Every AFL club’s trade storyline to watch in 2024
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
January 15th, 2024
RICHMOND
Dusty to reunite with Dimma up north?
Speculation has long swirled that Dustin Martin will finish his career up north in a less football-obsessed city – speculation that’s only intensified after Damien Hardwick departed the Tigers and replaced Stuart Dew as the Suns’ new senior coach. So could Martin follow suit once his contract with Richmond expires at the end of next season? It’ll come after Martin plays his 300th game for Richmond in 2024 – currently sitting on 289 – in what would really mark the end of on era for the club if arguably its greatest ever player moves on. That changing of the guard is already in full effect following Hardwick’s departure and the retirements of Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt as the club begins a new chapter under Adem Yze.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-2024-trade-storylines-to-watch-at-every-club-rumours-whispers-latest-news-dustin-martin-to-gold-coast-suns-western-bulldogs-bailey-smith-tim-english-jamarra-uglehagan/news-story/7e08fa61ccbba1e3616ec92cc6ab59c9
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The Dusty Debate: Is Martin Still a Supercoach Star?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMfXpF4WXTg
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https://twitter.com/RichmondNews223/status/1749284443330859497
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Dustin Martin's faultless pre-season has hit a hurdle at Punt Road.
Chief Footy Reporter @cleary_mitch has the latest on the champion Tiger. #7AFL #7NEWS
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1749340928840798577
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As per the other thread
from the site formerly known as Twitter
Real Footy (AFL)
@agerealfooty
Richmond superstar Dustin Martin is unlikely to grant interview requests despite a new AFL rule that threatens fines of up to $10,000 for players who repeatedly refuse to speak to the media, according to his management
https://twitter.com/agerealfooty/status/1749905210997436597
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Good on him, he is there to play football, not engage with the stuffwits in the media.
If the AFL are keen on media interviews let them give interviews on why they are the over woke stuffwit politically correct shambolic organisation that they are.
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What should we be expecting from Dusty?
Jack Makeham
SEN
21 Feb 2024
One of the greatest players of this generation, Dustin Martin is something of an enigma as he enters his 15th AFL season.
With Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt both calling time on their careers in 2023, Martin stands alone as the figurehead from Richmond’s premiership era, yet is beginning to wind down in his own right.
Martin looked a step off his game-breaking self throughout Richmond’s disappointing 2023, however, he was still capable of dominant stretches, a significant improvement from an injury-riddled 2022.
While it’s unlikely that he’ll reach the absolutely outrageous heights of his past, a fit and firing Martin is still one of the most valuable weapons in the competition, and that’s not even considering the extra motivation that comes from his contract situation.
The monster deal that Martin signed back in 2017 is set to expire at season’s end, and at age 32, the star Tiger is rapidly approaching his final big payday.
Despite having already taken out almost every AFL award under the sun, the final chapter of Dusty’s career is looking to be the most intriguing.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/21/your-afl-clubs-biggest-storyline-to-watch-in-2024-and-one-flying-under-the/
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It's behind a pay wall
But in his weekly column for The Age Kane Cornes has said Dusty should retire
Will try and find it via another way
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As a leader and legend of the club he looks unfit and his skills are absolutely deplorable
He is tracking at below average on some key stats for his position.
Pressure is poor. Tackling below standard. Disposal efficiency is below standard. He needs to lift for the teams sake.
Really not good enough for a legend of our club that really should be setting the standards for everyone else especially the new players. He will not chase a defender which is unacceptable for any player let alone a champion three time premiership winner off his own boot triple norm smith medalist Brownlow medalist.
If he isn't prepared to work hard then maybe he should retire. What standard is he setting for all the newbies? It's not ok not to chase a defender especially if you're a club legend.
But I'm not surprised really. Standards have been on the steady decline for 3 years and our new coach hasn't raised the bar in any meaningful metric.
Our leaders aren't as great as they've been and that's fair enough but we still need to expect a level of performance that is acceptable from any player especially those who have played to that high standard and given us the successes we have enjoyed.
Do we want to be like the Cheats or like the Drug Cheats and not be competitive finals winners for 20+ years?
If we sow mediocrity in our fitness department, our development department, our senior champions, our game style, our coaching staff will only produce mediocre fruit, and we will be lamenting our failure and reminiscing about the dynasty years and how uncompromising we were with a team of role players, a handful of greats and one champion superstar.
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Hey all. Was able to copy the article from the age website. Hopefully I post this right.
OPINION
Don’t argue, Dusty: Why it’s time for Richmond champion to retire
Kane Cornes
AFL columnist
March 28, 2024 — 2.30pm
Every year at every AFL club, a player will start the season not knowing they are about to leave the game. Few get to leave the sport in control of their exit.
Shane Crawford did. Same with Joel Selwood.
Crawford’s microphone grab with the perfect catchcry, “That’s what I’m talking about”, on the premiership stage after winning the 2008 grand final is part of Australian sporting folklore. He left the game at his peak, having climbed and conquered football’s Mount Everest in his final match.
Selwood’s last-minute heroics in the 2022 grand final epitomise every player’s dream – his right foot goal, on the run with a checkside kick from 40 metres sealed his fourth premiership and first as captain at Geelong. It firmed his legacy as the best captain this century, so far.
After much speculation, Selwood retired the next week. Like Crawford, he left on his own terms, bathed in the glow of premiership glory.
These are the exceptions to the norm.
There is a different storyline for many others, some who will find their twilight years can taint their legacies and put a strain on their bond with the clubs they once called home.
Today, Richmond great Dustin Martin stands at the crossroads, grappling with the stark truth that the golden years at Punt Road have passed.
Unlike Selwood, who sealed his legacy with a fourth flag, Martin finds himself on a different road to the final chapter of his grand career. There will not be a fourth premiership. Not at Richmond, where the Tigers are facing the sombre prospect of rebuilding and reckoning with their flawed calls in list management.
The motivation to carry on as usual is near impossible to find.
It is time to pen the final chapter and bid farewell, so this should be Martin’s last season.
There is nothing left for him to achieve. Three premierships, three Norm Smith Medals, four All-Australian selections, two best-and-fairest awards, a Leigh Matthews Trophy and 328 goals to his name – it is a resume that will elevate Martin to legend status in the Australian Football Hall of Fame.
Martin turns 33 in June.
With his 300th game on the horizon, the opportune moment has come to seize the stage one last time, to indulge in a victory lap honouring a career that transcends statistics and trophies.
Martin should reflect on the untidy exit of Hawthorn and Sydney champion Lance “Buddy” Franklin, who played a season too many at Sydney last year.
AFL icon Leigh Matthews echoes the sentiment.
“I think it’s almost sacrilegious to declare that the Swans are better without Buddy Franklin,” he said on Channel Nine’s Footy Furnace.
Martin opens himself up to these critiques if he goes around again.
Collingwood champion Scott Pendlebury has started the year poorly with his age and lack of athleticism starting to catch up. In hindsight, going out like Selwood and Crawford after last year’s premiership triumph would have protected him from the criticism he now faces.
Former Adelaide captain Rory Sloane is another player who has played too long, and Essendon’s Dyson Heppell is in the same boat.
While Martin’s brilliance is unquestioned, there are signs of decline. His disposal count has dropped from 24 in 2023 to 16 this year. Other key statistics including marks, inside-50s and goals have dipped.
Martin is an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season, allowing him to walk to the club of his choice at season’s end.
Gold Coast coach Damien Hardwick met Martin during the off-season and the link to that club is well noted.
Like Franklin, Martin may choose to finish his career at Sydney, with the lure of a lower profile in a non-AFL state.
But how often is that successful? Hawthorn champions Sam Mitchell, Luke Hodge and Jordan Lewis all finished at another club after making the move in the twilight of their careers. Did those moves enhance any of their reputations? It is a shame they didn’t finish at Hawthorn.
Martin should be a one-club player – forever a Richmond champion with his guernsey hanging from the rafters at Punt Road.
There are benefits too for Richmond to farewell Martin this season. He is earning one of the largest salaries in the game – the Tigers need that salary cap relief.
It also would signal a new era for the club, which must focus on youth and rebuilding through the draft.
It would be a mistake for Martin to play on in 2025, and this year should be devoted to a special farewell tour.
In choosing the path of graceful departure, Martin would cement his status not just as a legend of Richmond Football Club, but as an icon in the pantheon of Australian football.
Here is the link below. I was able to access the age online for this one article.
https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/don-t-argue-dusty-why-it-s-time-for-richmond-champion-to-retire-20240328-p5ffux.html
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It's behind a pay wall
But in his weekly column for The Age Kane Cornes has said Dusty should retire
Will try and find it via another way
Great troll by Kane. Hats off to him.
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Thanks for posting the article Damo :thumbsup
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He's being rested this week with a sore calf.
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Another one rested?
:lol
The champ is cooked. We won't get much for him. I'd say pick 30ish.
Hope he stays and sees out his career though wouldn't hold it against him if he opts to leave this poo hole that we are becoming.
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Not surprised he hasn't come up, was limping around the goal square in the last quarter.
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How many more games to #dusty300?
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11 to go
Against the blues now
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Let’s hope he makes it. Already missed 2/4 games.
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Calf or coke? Haha
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Per the Official Team thread Dusty out
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=33334.msg766317#msg766317
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Start to wonder what's really up with Dusty..
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Start to wonder what's really up with Dusty..
Honestly he's possibly just over it.
Most of his best mates are the club are retired.
He's getting on.
Team is crap now.
If GCS offers him one last big paycheck it wouldn't surprise me if he goes and plays moderately good footy there for a couple of years to line his pockets.
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Maybe he’s just struggling with a grumbly calf.
Who would’ve thought. ::)
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"Why are you so quick to retire players?"
"Is he prepared to dig in for another pre-season at the age of 33 in a rebuilding group?"
The #9FootyClassified panel challenges @kanecornes over his belief that 2024 should be Dusty's last season.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1774739783677558990
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I don't disagree with Kane.
Need to see how the year pans out for him but at 33 and nearing 300 games he might hang them up.
We saw on the weekend how much we need youth, speed, motivation etc and despite his brilliance Dusty's best days are behind him.
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I don't disagree with Kane.
Need to see how the year pans out for him but at 33 and nearing 300 games he might hang them up.
We saw on the weekend how much we need youth, speed, motivation etc and despite his brilliance Dusty's best days are behind him.
Tend to agree
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I don't disagree with Kane.
Need to see how the year pans out for him but at 33 and nearing 300 games he might hang them up.
We saw on the weekend how much we need youth, speed, motivation etc and despite his brilliance Dusty's best days are behind him.
Tend to agree
Tackling numbers have absolutely plumeted since 2021.
That's how you know the motivation is waning. Body tired, less run in the legs, but generally speaking just less hungry for the chase.
Doesn't mean he isn't hungry for a contest or a scoring opportunity/assist but once those older blokes stop working off the ball it's time to hang them up IMO.
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Not sure he ever had any defensive go in him lmao.
Less time around the contest = less easy tackles numbers wise.
Was sensational late last year. Hoping he is legitimately just hampered by something
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Not sure he ever had any defensive go in him lmao.
Less time around the contest = less easy tackles numbers wise.
Was sensational late last year. Hoping he is legitimately just hampered by something
All true, and he had a slow start last season too. And a lot of pundits had him in the All-Australian squad at the end of the season.
He may well decide to hang em up at the end of this season, but I'm betting he has a lot more really good football left in him. Don't write champions off too early.
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Agreed brother
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I love him. You are a long time retired. I’d watch him play until 40 such is the joy I get from watching the man do his stuff.
We won’t see another like him.
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I wish they would play him in the forward line against the Saints. He could easily kick a bag. He has the x factor and there are others in the forward line that can apply the defensive pressure. He is such a champion his mere presence will unsettle the Saint's defence.
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It's time to turn Dusty into lethal Leigh Matthews mkIi.. play him at full forward. Could play on another 4 years
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The irony of writing an article saying someone should retire to ensure they do it on their ‘own’ terms….
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Kane Cornes doubles down on bold Dustin Martin retirement claim
News.com.au
April 3, 2024
Kane Cornes isn’t backing down from his claims surrounding Richmond superstar Dustin Martin.
The former Port Adelaide player turned media personality ruffled feathers when he suggested the three-time premiership player should hang up the boots.
Cornes called for Martin to walk away from the game at the end of the 2024 season and go out on top without any questions over his place in the AFL.
“I just think it’s time in terms of there’s nothing left for him to achieve,” Cornes said on SEN Sportsday.
“Does Dustin Martin want to go through that and then have questions over his form like he will get like Buddy Franklin had when he played probably one more year (than he maybe should have)? Just like Scott Pendlebury is facing now to a lesser extent.”
Cornes was challenged on his stance on Footy Classified, but isn’t of softening his stance he doubled down.
“Is he prepared to dig in for another pre-season at the age of 33,” Cornes said.
“In a rebuilding group who is probably going to lose every third week, that’s the question you’ve got to ask.
“It’s poignant because it’s game 300, it would give him the greatest send off ever. He’s going to be a legend of the Australian Football Hall of Fame.
“He’s done everything what more is there for him to turn up on a Monday. Is he motivated to do that … I don’t know.”
Martin missed Richmond’s opening game of the year against the Gold Coast Suns along with the round three clash against Sydney.
The Tigers currently sit 13th on the ladder having won only one game through four rounds with Martin playing in two of the three losses.
The perennially dangerous Martin has failed to make an impact on the two games in which he has featured in.
His disposals are sitting at an average of 16 per game, the lowest output so far in his 15-year AFL career.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/kane-cornes-doubles-down-on-bold-dustin-martin-retirement-claim/news-story/ee2c99fd5a2af2e337a198feb5828adc
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Sam McClure tonight on Footy Classified still sulking about Dusty not leaving Richmond.
"Richmond missed the window with Dusty"
::)
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SUNS EXPECT MARTIN TO REMAIN A TIGER BUT WILL MONITOR SUPERSTAR’S FREE AGENCY FUTURE
By Lachlan Geleit
SEN
4 April 2024
Gold Coast footy boss Wayne Campbell admits that the Suns will keep an eye on Dustin Martin as the Richmond great enters unrestricted free agency at the end of the season.
Martin, 32, is set to play his 300th game for Richmond this season but has links to the Gold Coast after three-time Tigers premiership coach Damien Hardwick took the Suns job ahead of the 2024 campaign.
The coach and player were photographed last year meeting on the Gold Coast but Campbell says that was simply a catch-up between close friends.
While the Suns will monitor Martin’s future, Campbell did concede that the three-time Norm Smith Medallist will probably retire a Richmond player.
“I mean, we were photographed on the Gold Coast last year and it was a big deal (in the media),” Campbell told SEN Sportsday.
“But I almost thought at the time it'd be a bigger deal if Dustin came up and he didn't catch up with Damien, given the relationship they've got. That was just over a beer.
“I don't know (if we’ll target him), there's too much to play out, Dustin's an absolute Richmond legend and he's contracted to them.
“We'll keep an eye on it, but I would have thought he probably sees his days out at the Tigers.”
Martin will turn 33 midway through the 2023 season. The star Tiger has averaged 16 disposals and one goal per game from two appearances in 2024.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/04/03/suns-expect-martin-to-remain-a-tiger-but-will-monitor-superstars-free-agency/
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Hi all,
Found this article on the GOAT tonight... Can anyone shed any inside info on this situation? I know the source isn't overly reliable but rumours have to start somewhere I guess....!!
‘Threatening to walk away’: Ex-journo’s ‘shocking’ Dusty rumour
News.com.au from News.com.au
April 8th, 2024 8:50 pm
The Dustin Martin rumour mill has continued to spin into overdrive as speculation grows the AFL champion is potentially going to call it quits on his career.
Martin, 32, is one of the greats of the modern era, having claimed the Norm Smith Medal in each of the Tigers’ 2017, 2019 and 2020 premierships.
He’s also a four-time All-Australian and 2017 Brownlow Medallist with 292 games under his belt.
But in recent times, the speculation has been all about his future in the game.
Recently, former Port Adelaide player turned media personality Kane Cornes suggested the time was right for Martin to walk away from the game.
The call was laughed off but AFL reporter Tony Sheahan has revealed Martin is potentially eyeing an exit in the immediate future.
Speaking on The Truth Hurts Podcast with Wayne Carey, the podcast co-host said he had heard Martin was ready to hang up the boots.
“I’m hearing some shocking information out of Tigerland,” Sheahan began.
“My understanding is that Dustin Martin is threatening to walk away, wants to finish on a high.
“He’s played 292 games, he played a good game yesterday against St Kilda, he was the number one possession getter on the ground until halftime with 20 possessions. They weren’t great possessions. He’s not the Dusty we used to know, the best player in the competition, Brownlows, Norm Smiths, all that sort of stuff.
“But my understanding is that Richmond is in a tug of war about keeping Dusty in a Richmond jumper until he can make 300 games.
“As I’ve said, he’s played 292 as of yesterday. He’s told friends and family he can’t do it anymore. He wants to walk away.
“He’s fed up, can’t dealt with it, but Richmond, as I said, is grappling with the fact that he could walk away and they’re saying ‘you’ll regret this for the rest of your life if you don’t play 300 games. Just get to 300 and then we’ll work out what you want to do for the length of your contract and/or all the rest of this year’.”
Sheahan previously claimed in 2022 Martin was considering retirement or a move to the Sydney Swans.
In reacting to the suggestion, Carey said “this is news to me” but he didn’t think Martin would really care about the milestone.
“So he’s human,” Carey said. “He has been an unbelievably good player, but if he was to finish up at the end of the year or go away or find another club or whatever it may be, then he has the right to do that. I think he’s done enough in this game for us.
“The thing that people don’t understand about Dustin Martin and very few players are like him in the competition — probably Lance Franklin would be the only other one in modern times — can’t go anywhere in Australia without being recognised.
“This guy is a bit like Buddy, he’s quite shy — Buddy didn’t start out shy but in the end because of the star power that came along with being the best player in the comp for a long period of time — it’s very hard to understand what it is to live like that.”
Carey said that it would be hard to find people to trust and that he may be dealing with the loss of his father Shane in December 2021.
The footy great added he “wouldn’t be surprised if this was his last year”, although conceded his form showed he was still able to perform on the biggest stage.
“You’re not in the sort of condition that Dusty is in and still playing the type of footy that he’s playing — yes he’s not grabbing games by the scruff of the neck like he used to and winning games, but he’s still an unbelievably good player,” Carey added.
Sheahan argued that having 300 against his name “looks far better than 292” but Carey argued that Martin “doesn’t need 300 to hang his hat on”.
It leads on from Cornes’ call for Martin to make 2024 his final season, arguing “there’s nothing left for him to achieve”.
“Is he prepared to dig in for another pre-season at the age of 33,” Cornes said on Nine’s Footy Classified last week.
“In a rebuilding group who is probably going to lose every third week, that’s the question you’ve got to ask.
“It’s poignant because it’s game 300, it would give him the greatest send off ever. He’s going to be a legend of the Australian Football Hall of Fame.
“He’s done everything what more is there for him to turn up on a Monday. Is he motivated to do that … I don’t know.”
Martin had his best game of the season in the Tigers’ 9.13 (67) to 9.6 (60) loss to St Kilda, which left the club languishing in 14th on the AFL ladder with a 1-3 record in 2024.
Martin had 30 disposals, second only in the match to St Kilda’s Jack Steel, bouncing back from disappointing outings in his opening two matches.
But rookie coach Adem Yze said before the St Kilda match that Martin was important for the team.
“Having Dustin back in the side is a great thing for our team – he’ll still have a mixture of inside midfield time and forward, Shai (Bolton) is doing the same,” Yze said.
“We’ll look at the balance of our team … but to have him available is great for our group.”
https://www-foxsports-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/threatening-to-walk-away-exjournos-shocking-dusty-rumour/news-story/ba5276708d377326ef7451c4212dcbff?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17125765011521&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxsports.com.au%2Fafl%2Fteams%2Frichmond-tigers%2Fthreatening-to-walk-away-exjournos-shocking-dusty-rumour%2Fnews-story%2Fba5276708d377326ef7451c4212dcbff
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Tony Sheehan FMD. That campaigner obviously still high from a weekend spent emptying bags. First class ahole that has as much intel in the industry as Ricky Nixon these days.
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If there’s one player I’ll never believe media articles about it’s dusty. He doesn’t speak to any of them and I know it drives them all crazy. His inner circle is also mainly unknown other then ex team mates and a few ex players. Really the only person that I think the media would know of to get info about dusty is old mate ralph who o honestly haven’t heard a peep out of in what seems like 3+ years now.
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If it's from Tony Sheahan then you know it's crap :yep.
Sydney’s covert op to land Dusty Martin
The Sydney Swans have begun background talks with Dustin Martin’s manager to lure the Tigers star interstate, but at what cost?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/sheahan-ink-sydney-swans-start-quiet-talks-to-lure-dustin-martin/news-story/e7641b611fe6c56be5ae53e8e138a678
Tony Sheahan ::).
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If it's from Tony Sheahan then you know it's crap :yep.
Sydney’s covert op to land Dusty Martin
The Sydney Swans have begun background talks with Dustin Martin’s manager to lure the Tigers star interstate, but at what cost?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/sheahan-ink-sydney-swans-start-quiet-talks-to-lure-dustin-martin/news-story/e7641b611fe6c56be5ae53e8e138a678
Tony Sheahan ::).
Spot on him and Ricky Nixon information worse then Chinese whispers.
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On Ch7 news tonight Ralph released a statement to them saying the Mike's Son's story is not true
From 7News twitter
Dustin Martin is shutting down retirement speculation. 7NEWS.com.au @KateMassey_7 @7AFL #7NEWS
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Thanks Ralph.
That's case closed for me until Dusty or Ralph say otherwise
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Here's the link
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1777615931574993303?t=8ggZg4l6oCDBDpx_zwrFlQ&s=19
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300th against the crows. Unlikely IMO.
Hawks game more likely.
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Dusty is struggling to have an impact in second halves so far in 2024, according to Champion Data.
FULL ON FOOTY WITH DANIEL HOYNE:
WATCH here: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1777988641425334556
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I agree, he seems to be fading.
Wonder if age is catching up to him, or does the oppo just have more success placating him when he's on fire?
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Also hasnt helped that he gets pinged for holding the ball as soon as an opposition player lays a fingertip on him whilst other players can be swung 720 degrees and get PLAY ON
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Rumours of a mid-season retirement for Dustin Martin circled over the past two weeks, but have been quashed.
Yze certainly wasn't buying into them, especially after an impressive showing against St Kilda.
"We don't deal with rumours and things like that," he said.
"For us our responsibility is to make sure Dusty's happy, and I've said that from day one.
"We want an environment that can allow him to enjoy his footy, enjoy coming into the club every day and hopefully prolong his career.
"So those sorts of things are external, we don't really worry about, but he came in and played like Dusty (against St Kilda), and that was the main thing.
"We wanted to give him a week off. He was battling with a little calf injury and trying to get through based on the fact that he's a terrific leader of our footy club and wanted to help us get back on track.
"But the best thing for him was having a week off, and we saw the results of that on the weekend, which is nice."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1106295/double-midfield-blow-adds-to-richmond-tigers-mounting-injury-toll)
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Rumours of a mid-season retirement for Dustin Martin circled over the past two weeks, but have been quashed.
Yze certainly wasn't buying into them, especially after an impressive showing against St Kilda.
"We don't deal with rumours and things like that," he said.
"For us our responsibility is to make sure Dusty's happy, and I've said that from day one.
"We want an environment that can allow him to enjoy his footy, enjoy coming into the club every day and hopefully prolong his career.
"So those sorts of things are external, we don't really worry about, but he came in and played like Dusty (against St Kilda), and that was the main thing.
"We wanted to give him a week off. He was battling with a little calf injury and trying to get through based on the fact that he's a terrific leader of our footy club and wanted to help us get back on track.
"But the best thing for him was having a week off, and we saw the results of that on the weekend, which is nice."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1106295/double-midfield-blow-adds-to-richmond-tigers-mounting-injury-toll)
What does this mean?
Special vitamins and supplements? no early morning training sessions? bum wipers when he takes a poo?
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What does this mean?
Special vitamins and supplements? no early morning training sessions? bum wipers when he takes a poo?
That you need to ask is a concern.
Pretty simple I would have thought. The RFC is Dusty's workplace. Granted footy clubs aren't normal workplaces but end of the day that's what they are. They want to make his work place a place he wants to be at, enjoys going to and being part of...
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Rumours of a mid-season retirement for Dustin Martin circled over the past two weeks, but have been quashed.
Yze certainly wasn't buying into them, especially after an impressive showing against St Kilda.
"We don't deal with rumours and things like that," he said.
"For us our responsibility is to make sure Dusty's happy, and I've said that from day one.
"We want an environment that can allow him to enjoy his footy, enjoy coming into the club every day and hopefully prolong his career.
"So those sorts of things are external, we don't really worry about, but he came in and played like Dusty (against St Kilda), and that was the main thing.
"We wanted to give him a week off. He was battling with a little calf injury and trying to get through based on the fact that he's a terrific leader of our footy club and wanted to help us get back on track.
"But the best thing for him was having a week off, and we saw the results of that on the weekend, which is nice."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1106295/double-midfield-blow-adds-to-richmond-tigers-mounting-injury-toll)
What does this mean?
Special vitamins and supplements? no early morning training sessions? bum wipers when he takes a poo?
Thumbs down on that comment
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Rumours of a mid-season retirement for Dustin Martin circled over the past two weeks, but have been quashed.
Yze certainly wasn't buying into them, especially after an impressive showing against St Kilda.
"We don't deal with rumours and things like that," he said.
"For us our responsibility is to make sure Dusty's happy, and I've said that from day one.
"We want an environment that can allow him to enjoy his footy, enjoy coming into the club every day and hopefully prolong his career.
"So those sorts of things are external, we don't really worry about, but he came in and played like Dusty (against St Kilda), and that was the main thing.
"We wanted to give him a week off. He was battling with a little calf injury and trying to get through based on the fact that he's a terrific leader of our footy club and wanted to help us get back on track.
"But the best thing for him was having a week off, and we saw the results of that on the weekend, which is nice."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/1106295/double-midfield-blow-adds-to-richmond-tigers-mounting-injury-toll)
What does this mean?
Special vitamins and supplements? no early morning training sessions? bum wipers when he takes a poo?
Thumbs down on that comment
Yep major thumbs down.
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Runs on the spot these days. List so much of his explosiveness
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Dusty is only a quarter of the player he once was. It seems not even the best quality toilet wipes can give a legend enough impetus to revive his genius.
Sad to see him just giving up and totally disinterested.
I think maybe he should have called it a day if he didn't have it in him but he certainly deserves to make the call himself after his stellar service.
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At the game ATM. Definately a patch there in the 2nd when he didn't look like wanting to put in and chase down. I know never been defensive, but he is the most senior player there. He needs to keep it up.
Love him to death still though.
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I think the reports he wants to retire are probably true, but Carr has told him to get to 300 and cash in.
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I think the reports he wants to retire are probably true, but Carr has told him to get to 300 and cash in.
Yep. He has lost the care and desire knowing the end is near.
Hope he plays his 300th in Melbourne.
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Whether he’s a natural leader or not it’s his duty to lead these young players and someone with his lack of defensive accountability makes it hard. Get to 300 and call it champ
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Cruising into retirement..... :shh
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Dusty is now officially RUSTY
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has nothing to prove, but to be honest he was finished a few years ago.
Played some great games last year but there has always been a massive gap between his worst since his injury and dad passing.
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Has phoned it in for 3yrs. Time to move him on. Not getting value for money
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Thanks Dusty
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Fox Footy commentators Will Schofield and Matthew Pavlich questioned why Tigers star Dustin Martin wasn’t the man coach Adem Yze turned to when West Coast put the foot down in the third.
“No (Jack) Ross, no Taranto, (Jacob) Hopper of course … there’s a number of players in this Richmond team they’d love to have out there,” Pavlich said.
“Adem Yze trying to think of a solution with what he’s got. Do you send forwards up or back your players in and around the ball?”
“Dustin Martin seems the obvious fix to it. But he hasn’t had a clearance (in the third term) and is currently sitting as the deepest forward,” Schofield added.
“You can’t have him running around all day in there either.”
Late in the third term, Martin had just eight touches playing mainly as a forward.
“They’ve got so many leaks here; they don’t know which one to fill. They’re getting done at stoppage, done with supply. Do you take someone out of the midfield?” Schofield questioned of Richmond’s woes.
“They’ve got a lot of changes to make but you can’t make them all.
“Dustin Martin’s lack of impact on the game tells me he’s probably not quite right.
“They are getting dominated in the midfield and he’s the guy to go and do something about it.”
Pavlich questioned if Yze had an eye to the future with keeping Martin forward.
“Or is it Adem Yze saying ‘you know what? This is our young midfield, and we can’t rely on Dusty and a few others to get it done. Let’s expose a few of them’.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-scores-2024-west-coast-eagles-vs-richmond-tigers-round-5-updates-stats-blog-how-to-stream-teams-latest-news/news-story/85f4599ea04f24ff5403741f6f3dbf79
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I think Pavlich got the last paragraph correct.
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Where to next? Matthew Lloyd urges Richmond to make harsh call on Dustin Martin's pending career
By Anna Pavlou
Nine
16 April 2024
Matthew Lloyd has called on Richmond to keep their eyes on ageing star Dustin Martin and then decide if they offer him a contract at the end of this season.
Martin's mega nine-year deal comes to an end in 2024, after the midfielder helped the Tigers to three flags in the past decade and collecting all three Norm Smith Medals and a Brownlow Medal to go with it.
Martin is now 32 and questions are naturally arising about what the next chapter of his career holds - whether that be retirement, another year in the yellow and black, or even a move to a rival club.
Lloyd has declared the superstar should remain a one-club champion, but it is up to Richmond, not Martin, to decide whether they sign him for another year.
"Watch Dustin's body language, watch how hard he wants to work on the field, and challenge him on his motivation levels," Lloyd said on Nine's Footy Classified.
"He's achieved everything there is to achieve in the game, but do you still want it badly enough?"
That decision, Lloyd believes, is based on where the Tigers believe they're headed next.
If they want to contend, they'll need to do so quickly to get the best out of Martin.
But, if new coach Adem Yze decides a longer rebuild is on the cards, then Martin's spot in the side drops significantly in value.
"(Richmond should ask) 'Do you still want it?' Otherwise, 'could we spend our money more wisely next year, when we're going to the bottom?'," Lloyd said.
Caroline Wilson weighed in on the possibility that Martin could end his career at another club.
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Earlier in the year, there were suggestions the premiership hero could eventually head up north at the end of 2024, to join former Richmond coach Damien Hardwick at the Gold Coast Suns.
However, Wilson believes the 32-year-old is beyond a move, fearing it will tarnish his reputation.
"Clearly he'll get to 300 (games), then he's got a big decision to make (on his career)," Wilson said.
"Dustin Martin knows that his brand is going to be significantly improved if he's a one club player.
"He's of no use to the Gold Coast."
Kane Cornes says it is time for the legend to hang up the boots.
"It's the perfect time for him to retire, have a great victory lap for the second half of the year, get to 300 and then go out," he said.
"He doesn't want to play in a team we saw lose to one of the worst teams we've seen ever (West Coast in round five)."
The Tigers have started their season 1-5, with Martin only just returning to the senior side in round four after suffering a corked calf at the start of the season.
He collected 13 disposals and kicked a goal in the Tigers' round five loss to the Eagles.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2024-dustin-martin-richmond-carrer-matthew-lloyd-gold-coast-suns-damien-hardwick/e958d9eb-417a-4756-a82a-135ef695419b
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Lloyd is dumb as dogshit and Karen is a stuffen campaigner. Both of em can sux a dik
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Heard a rumour yesterday from someone evidently in the know that Dusty hasn’t spoken to Yze for 3 weeks … but who really knows??
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Heard a rumour yesterday from someone evidently in the know that Dusty hasn’t spoken to Yze for 3 weeks … but who really knows??
He's a man of few words :lol
In all seriousness that would be very sad.
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Remember no one is bigger then the club !.
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Probably rubbish
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Heard a rumour yesterday from someone evidently in the know that Dusty hasn’t spoken to Yze for 3 weeks … but who really knows??
The end in near . In 20 years we will be celebrating his greatness- No one will remember the decline.
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Heard a rumour yesterday from someone evidently in the know that Dusty hasn’t spoken to Yze for 3 weeks … but who really knows??
The end in near . In 20 years we will be celebrating his greatness- No one will remember the decline.
I still watch his YouTube highlights at work sometimes after lunch when my testosterone is peaking and I'm randy.
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Heard a rumour yesterday from someone evidently in the know that Dusty hasn’t spoken to Yze for 3 weeks … but who really knows??
The end in near . In 20 years we will be celebrating his greatness- No one will remember the decline.
I still watch his YouTube highlights at work sometimes after lunch when my testosterone is peaking and I'm randy.
I remember my Fremantle mates texting me after the 2020 GF finally conceding that Dusty was better than Fyfe 😂😂
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Heard a rumour yesterday from someone evidently in the know that Dusty hasn’t spoken to Yze for 3 weeks … but who really knows??
I find that very difficult to believe.
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Not true at all :shh
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Not true at all :shh
Hope so
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Not true at all :shh
Chutney concurs
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5VjPchvDPV/?igsh=MXhybG82bG5icmpxag==
Fantastic
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His 300th will be something special.
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HE is something special
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Hopefully they can squeeze a "managed" game in there somewhere so his 300th can be at the MCG
And so everyone can whack Meehan for no reason :rollin
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Fun fact: Luke Meehan's mother's maiden name was Powell........ :shh
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Fun fact: Luke Meehan's mother's maiden name was Powell........ :shh
Fun fact....
I'm in good mood today so despite ore clear baiting >:( I'll refrain from going strike.....
I'll just watch the baseball instead
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IS DUSTY REALLY WORTH TRADE BOUNTY?
Rivals scouting for Dustin Martin’s availability would need him to return to his former glories to be convinced he is worth the significant price tag to get him out of Punt Rd.
Martin has played well in patches this year, despite missing two games with calf issues, but his lack of defensive running has been highlighted.
He has kicked three goals from four games and set Norwood alight with an exceptional first half against St Kilda during Gather Round.
Clubs believe Martin, who turns 33 in June, would consider a move as an unrestricted free agent. But the superstar Tiger, just seven matches short of his 300-game milestone, would also command a significant wage and would likely only move to a contender or up north to Gold Coast, alongside former coach Damien Hardwick.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1781515600420041036
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He's playing at a 500-600k level IMO.
Clubs shouldn't bother and neither should Dusty.
Get the 300 and retire a one club player at the end of the year.
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Why Hardwick and the Suns should just leave Dustin Martin alone
Jake Niall
Chief football writer, The Age
April 21, 2024
“I never said I want to be alone. I only said ‘I want to be left alone.’ There is all the difference.”
- Reclusive movie star Greta Garbo, 1955.
Dustin Martin’s desire to be left alone, in the manner of Greta Garbo, has been as defining a feature of his career as the fend-off, which is a well-worn, but fitting metaphor for Dusty’s aversion to the crowd.
Martin’s extreme shyness and dislike of the spotlight – bar his glowing presence on game day – is one of the reasons why there’s been a view in clubland that he could be prised out of Richmond.
Martin’s seven-year mega contract expires this year. Richmond have not put a contract on the table, in large part because Dusty hasn’t made any decisions about his future.
Martin has three immediate options: 1) Re-sign with the Tigers for 2025 and play on; 2) cross to another club, almost certainly in the northern states; 3) retire, after reaching 300 games and be remembered as a one-club great of the code.
Since 2022, if not earlier, Gold Coast have been mooted as the logical destination for Dusty if he decided he wanted out of town.
Note that there’s never been any hint that Dusty had any issue with the Richmond Football Club. Rather, it’s whether he’s had enough of living in the footy fishbowl in Melbourne.
The argument for Dusty exploring a move to the Suns has centred on the fact that they’re a getaway club, where AFL isn’t obsessively followed and even a high-vis superstar can find sanctuary, like Garbo.
The Suns also have significant ex-Richmond people at the helm, headed by former coach Damien Hardwick, with football bosses Wayne Campbell (performance) and Craig Cameron (list/recruitment) also knowing Martin well from their days at Tigerland.
That Martin has had contact with Gold Coast officials is hardly surprising, given the longstanding relationships.
But what is often lost in this discussion and speculation is whether, in fact, the Suns really need Dustin Martin.
They don’t.
For a number of reasons, the Suns should not pursue Dusty, should he decide he wants to leave Victoria. He’s not the right fit. To stick with the movie star motif, it would be like casting Arnold Schwarzenegger as Hamlet.
Martin would be turning 34 next year and while he would certainly improve the Suns’ forward line for a year – assuming he is relatively fit and motivated – it would represent an extremely short-term move for Hardwick and company.
Gold Coast have one of the best lists of under 24-year-olds in the competition. But their peak contention period is still at least two years away (probably longer, considering the demography of recent premiers).
Dusty is unlikely to come cheap, either. He’s been paid well over $1 million since 2018 and even if he came for, say, $700,000, that money would be better utilised in the crucial task of retaining Matt Rowell, Ben King, Noah Anderson and others.
Hardwick aside, Martin would be the biggest figure to arrive at Gold Coast since Gary Ablett. Unlike Ablett, Dusty would not be willing to front the media or sell the club.
His sheer presence, however, would bring additional media to the Suns, which the AFL wouldn’t mind.
The Suns, though, have just brought in four teenage locals via their academy – headed by the enormously talented talls Jed Walter and Ethan Read. Once those kids mature, they can be the shopfront – Gold Coast’s answer to Errol Gulden and Isaac Heeney – in a non-footy market that has struggled to support elite sporting clubs.
While Martin would engender excitement among young Suns teammates, and he is capable of mentoring, he does not represent the kind of on-field general and leader that four-time Hawthorn premiership great Luke Hodge was at the Brisbane Lions.
As it stands today, the Suns are unsure of whether to make a bid for Dusty, who has struggled with his body at times this year, missing games and some training sessions. Is he there in spirit? It’s a reasonable question.
There is no question that the death of his father Shane in 2022, who had been exiled from his son in New Zealand, was an enormous blow to the reticent champion.
He would suit the Swans or Giants more than Gold Coast, in terms of age and premiership profile and positional needs (he could take Heeney’s old forward role at Sydney), but one doubts that the Giants would have the cap space, and it is unclear whether the Swans would want such a short-term investment.
Martin’s shunning of the bright lights, paradoxically, has rendered him a mystery that merely heightened the public’s fascination with him – a conundrum that Greta Garbo endured. Almost every autograph seeker at Punt Rd wants Dusty’s scribble on their gear.
Richmond will offer him a decent deal, if he decides to play on with the club he helped transform and which is attempting a new frontier under Adem Yze and facing the expected exit of CEO Brendon Gale to the Tasmania Devils.
Like most football followers, this column would prefer that he bows out as a Tiger, rivalling Kevin Bartlett and Royce Hart for the mantle of Richmond’s greatest since World War Two.
Garbo’s wish sums up Martin’s relationship with the game. That he wants to be left alone does not mean that he is alone. Richmond have been another family.
Martin’s future is up to Martin. The Suns should just leave him alone.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/it-s-the-biggest-decision-in-footy-will-dustin-martin-join-gold-coast-20240420-p5flcm.html
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I believe that Richmond should sign Dusty up to another 3 year $1,000,000 deal with a clause in there that if a club comes knocking and Dusty is ok with that then we negotiate a deal that satisfies all parties.
e.g. Gold coast is interested and is willing to offer Dusty 1.2 million a year for 3 years and will offer their first round this year and a quality player if we pay $300,000 thousand a year on his contract for 3 years.
GWS is willing to give us Callahan in exchange for Dusty for a 3 year 1.2 million deal and we pay $400,000 a year for 2 years.
The team wanting Dusty gets a bit of salary cap relief as not many teams at the pointy end of the ladder can afford 1.2 Million.
And for an outrageous deal GWS offers Callahan and their first and 2nd rounder for Dusty and we pay $600,000 a year for 2 years and $300,00 for the 3rd year.
Thoughts?
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I think offering him $1mil/year for 3 years is silly.
Looks like this year will be his last to me, but we decide that at the end of the year.
If he wants to continue he needs to take a pay cut for the clubs future benefit.
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Rumours are increasingly circulating around a retirement on game 300….
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Rumours are increasingly circulating around a retirement on game 300….
Wouldnt surprise me
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Rumours are increasingly circulating around a retirement on game 300….
Wouldnt surprise me
Makes sense
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Dusty checked out ages ago. It's plain obvious by the way he is playing . Just filling in time to get to 300.. very selfish in my opinion. Don't care what he has done and achieved. It's not the right way to end your career, disinterested.
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Dusty is the least of our worries. There are so many other underperforming senior plays that don’t have anywhere near the resume of dusty. If dusty wants to retire so be it. If he wants to continue on I would not have any issue in giving him another contract on reasonably good coin. It’s not like we have salary cap issues or are anticipating any big names joining us in the next 1-2 years.
At the very least, his name will bring people through the gates while we are crap, just like richo did before him.
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Dusty checked out ages ago. It's plain obvious by the way he is playing . Just filling in time to get to 300.. very selfish in my opinion. Don't care what he has done and achieved. It's not the right way to end your career, disinterested.
Or maybe a soon to be 33 yo can no longer do what he once did. I think he has showed so many times he has pride Loyalty Hunger class all of that crap and he wants to repay a bit. Trouble is if he stays for those reasons without being able to maintain the level of exellence, and lets be honest the drop off is there for all to see he will damage his own legacy.
Just retire champ you owe no one anything go out on top while you still can.
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Dusty checked out ages ago. It's plain obvious by the way he is playing . Just filling in time to get to 300.. very selfish in my opinion. Don't care what he has done and achieved. It's not the right way to end your career, disinterested.
Or maybe a soon to be 33 yo can no longer do what he once did. I think he has showed so many times he has pride Loyalty Hunger class all of that crap and he wants to repay a bit. Trouble is if he stays for those reasons without being able to maintain the level of exellence, and lets be honest the drop off is there for all to see he will damage his own legacy.
Just retire champ you owe no one anything go out on top while you still can.
He is a champ
But if he is staying for 300 he can f.o.
Don’t want to do interviews, I am private, I am precious, but want to get to 300 it’s either one or the other
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The man is one of the greatest players in our clubs history why shouldn’t he get to game 300? Why shouldn’t he play on next year if he desires to?
He isn’t the player he used to be, no1 is by the time you turn 33, but he’s still been better then 10+ players getting picked every week.
This is Dustin frkn Martin we are talking about here. Truly can’t understand some of the comments in this thread.
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The man is one of the greatest players in our clubs history why shouldn’t he get to game 300? Why shouldn’t he play on next year if he desires to?
He isn’t the player he used to be, no1 is by the time you turn 33, but he’s still been better then 10+ players getting picked every week.
This is Dustin frkn Martin we are talking about here. Truly can’t understand some of the comments in this thread.
True
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The man is one of the greatest players in our clubs history why shouldn’t he get to game 300? Why shouldn’t he play on next year if he desires to?
He isn’t the player he used to be, no1 is by the time you turn 33, but he’s still been better then 10+ players getting picked every week.
This is Dustin frkn Martin we are talking about here. Truly can’t understand some of the comments in this thread.
x2.
https://www.tiktok.com/@footy.mp4/video/7352827462943853832
just watched this again for the 20th time. I think i love him more than my wife. :lol
Seriously, this guy is everything we loved about the RFC for 2017-2020. There was Dimma, Cotch, Jack, Rance, of course but fmd what a living legend this guy is.
He deserves to go out how he wants. I hope he sticks around but thats me.
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It’s my opinion he’s the greatest tiger to ever play the game. The greatest finals player ever with 3 norms. That last one against Geelong he single handedly won the game for us without a doubt. Hard to judge him against the rest of the greats as the game as changed so much… he didn’t accumulate like Ablett but he probably made as much of an impact as anyone else to play the game
Combination of power, skill and footy smarts that is as rare as it gets. Also just the ability to rise to the occasion
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Ohhhh Dustin Martin, you are the love of my life.
I feel like we are already starting the goodbyes. Who knows. When I think of Dusty and the dyansty, I think my fav was Jack but I feel it's cause Dusty as a fav is so cliche, he just was so damn good. I feel a real sense of gratitude as a 40 year old watching footy for the first time in the late 80s, early 90s and hearing about how good KB was, how good Francis and Hart were and for a long time we had nothing until Matthew came along and took us all on his shoulders for so long. Watching Dusty, I now know what it feels like when the generation before me talk and felt about KB and Bourkey. For that I feel so grateful, cause for so long it felt like I would never fully understand and witness any of that. So it's actually been a privilege to support and cheer him on, what a journey.
Watching that video, my most vivid Dusty memories is the goal vs Cats in 2020 where he snapped over his shoulder at the very end. This was just a pee take of genius, power, strength, skill and big stage player all in one. To this day, the most underated GF moment in history. Because it was Dusty, because it was our 3rd flag and because the game had only a few seconds left, absolutely insane gameplay by Dust.
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Something I'll always chuckle looking back on, is what seemed like a month long argument with TigerMonk and I on who we would draft with Pick 3 that year, I'm sure WP remembers for the amount of posts he would have deleted lol.
TigerMonk wanted John Butcher, I wanted Dustin Martin. Both from VicCountry. I was adament this kid who I remember thinking he looked and played like a small Wayne Carey was our best bet, but TM was adamant we needed to future proof a post Richo era with a gun KP forward. We all profess to be fortune tellers and think we are list management experts, but I just had a good feel about the Martin boy. Never did I think he would turn out this well but he was absolutely the right selection. A big shout out to Jordy McMahon.
Long story short. We got Dusty and I'll never ever be openly smug and vindicated about being right. Lol sorry TM to bring up open wounds but lets cheers to Dusty and the upcoming 300th that will be a great celebration. Hope Johnny is watching too.
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Something I'll always chuckle looking back on, is what seemed like a month long argument with TigerMonk and I on who we would draft with Pick 3 that year, I'm sure WP remembers for the amount of posts he would have deleted lol.
TigerMonk wanted John Butcher, I wanted Dustin Martin. Both from VicCountry. I was adament this kid who I remember thinking he looked and played like a small Wayne Carey was our best bet, but TM was adamant we needed to future proof a post Richo era with a gun KP forward. We all profess to be fortune tellers and think we are list management experts, but I just had a good feel about the Martin boy. Never did I think he would turn out this well but he was absolutely the right selection. A big shout out to Jordy McMahon.
Long story short. We got Dusty and I'll never ever be openly smug and vindicated about being right. Lol sorry TM to bring up open wounds but lets cheers to Dusty and the upcoming 300th that will be a great celebration. Hope Johnny is watching too.
I remember it well.
Ah the good times of tracking Butcher's progress to nowhere whilst watching Dusty the champ
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In case anyone wants an update
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Butcher_(Australian_footballer)
Butcher's 2015 season start was also a struggle, as he'd managed only indifferent form in the SANFL, had played just one AFL match in Round 1 and looked odds on to be delisted at the end of the season. However, with Jay Schulz being a late exclusion in Round 20, Butcher came in against Greater Western Sydney and played the final four matches of the AFL season. Butcher's marking in the final two matches of the season was sublime, gathering 6 contested marks and 7 marks inside the 50 against Gold Coast and Fremantle. His end-of-season form was rewarded with a one-year contract offer for 2016. He was delisted at the conclusion of the 2016 season and subsequently signed to play football for Central Districts Football Club in the SANFL in 2017. Butcher and his brother Danny joined Northern Territory Football League (NTFL) club Nightcliff, playing in their 2018 premiership team, and then in the same year helped his home town of Maffra win their 9th premiership in 18 years. John now goes by the nickname "The Bad Boy" after dropping "The Future.