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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 16, 2016, 12:14:56 AM
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From Caro's article in the Age:
With Richmond on the verge of announcing a two-year extension to coach Damien Hardwick ...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-hawthorn-lock-in-alastair-clarkson-until-the-end-of-2019-20160215-gmusw7.html
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oh god
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The low standards continue.....
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From Caro's article in the Age:
With Richmond on the verge of announcing a two-year extension to coach Damien Hardwick ...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-hawthorn-lock-in-alastair-clarkson-until-the-end-of-2019-20160215-gmusw7.html
So we can lose another 3 finals in a row? Perfect.
Idiots.
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Right on cue
stuffin dumb idiots
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Ok, who is waiting in the wings then?
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This decision should help promote stability at our club
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Ok, who is waiting in the wings then?
Micky Malthouse, Bomber Thomson and James Hird
:lol
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This decision should help promote stability at our club
Are we that unstable that we need this?
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Always better to have a house built of brick than straw
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What's wrong with waiting till the end of the year? Is another team going to poach him?
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Mark Harvey was sacked with 1 year remaining on his contract - so at the end of the day does it really matter.
I still believe Hardwick won't survive another Elimination final loss. ( unless he's won us a three peat)
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What's wrong with waiting till the end of the year? Is another team going to poach him?
Stop the media circus I suppose. Imagine the shark frenzy if we slip to 2-4 again ( and I'm not talking about OER ;) )
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Amateur hour down at Punt Rd again!
So worried about having to deal with media speculation for 12mths that its easier to resign the dud
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What's wrong with waiting till the end of the year? Is another team going to poach him?
Stop the media circus I suppose. Imagine the shark frenzy if we slip to 2-4 again ( and I'm not talking about OER ;) )
Why should a media circus trouble us? thought we were past that sort of thing?
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Ah look everyone jumping to conclusions again without the facts. Didn't we learn anything from the Dustin Martin Chopstick saga??
Unless we know the details of performance criteria included in any new contract to Hardwick we are just making noises.
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Ah look everyone jumping to conclusions again without the facts. Didn't we learn anything from the Dustin Martin Chopstick saga??
Unless we know the details of performance criteria included in any new contract to Hardwick we are just making noises.
Awww Gracie don't spoil the fun, the chicken littles love to squawk and the rest of us love to watch the little feathered ones carry on
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It's a disgrace.
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Ah look everyone jumping to conclusions again without the facts. Didn't we learn anything from the Dustin Martin Chopstick saga??
Unless we know the details of performance criteria included in any new contract to Hardwick we are just making noises.
Awww Gracie don't spoil the fun, the chicken littles love to squawk and the rest of us love to watch the little feathered ones carry on
It will be good to revisit this thread when we win a couple of finals this year..............
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What's wrong with waiting till the end of the year? Is another team going to poach him?
Stop the media circus I suppose. Imagine the shark frenzy if we slip to 2-4 again ( and I'm not talking about OER ;) )
Why should a media circus trouble us? thought we were past that sort of thing?
Haven't you heard? Spending 6-7 figure sums re-signing under-performing coaches because we apparently can't handle extra media scrutiny just screams a stable well-run club.....
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Thanks Dio :)
If are there are performance clauses, he is still being signed beyond 2016 which is ridiculous at this point.
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Thanks Dio :)
If are there are performance clauses, he is still being signed beyond 2016 which is ridiculous at this point.
What if the new contract has a performance clause or trigger that he has to win a final in 2016 for the new contract to continue?
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I'd be surprised if the contract wasn't written in crayon....
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I'd be surprised if the contract wasn't written in crayon....
Would still be legal.
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Prefer if it was written in blood
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I don't mind the decision if that is what transpires, there all sticking fat, let's pray that it works, this IS it.
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I don't mind the decision if that is what transpires, there all sticking fat, let's pray that it works, this IS it.
Pray? Sounds legit
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There is no need to Rush this decision. Not before round 10...
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Thanks Dio :)
If are there are performance clauses, he is still being signed beyond 2016 which is ridiculous at this point.
What if the new contract has a performance clause or trigger that he has to win a final in 2016 for the new contract to continue?
Let's be realistic
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There is no need to Rush this decision. Not before round 10...
well in your opinion, Rd 10 ??, why that why not Rd 8 of 11 or 7 or ???
By the way, do you have any experience in top level sports management or coaching ?
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I understand why they are doing it
But personally I don't see the need.
And if we as a club are as stable, strong and united as we kept getting told then the media and their so called pressure via thier "circus" should not matter one iota. Should have absolutely no bearing
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It's not necessary at this stage.
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
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They make money without having success. need money to have the resources and facilities to compete with the best.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.Richmond won 38 % of games the previous decade now its winning 65% over the past 3 seasons under Dimma
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary. Give examples please
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030? He will be sacked this year if he doesn't win a final - and you know it.
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
Actually yr seven he has achieved long service leave. Just a shame the club has achieved nothing during the process.
I am laughing my arse off you could see this coming from so far back.
I actually think the club and a lot of the supporters are afraid of success.The reasons for that should be obvious.
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I don't mind the decision if that is what transpires, there all sticking fat, let's pray that it works, this IS it.
Pray? Sounds legit
Ssshhhh don't tell everyone our strategic plan
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All of this so soon after B Gale came out and said we weren't in a hurry to sign him?
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To be fair, Rita might write something mean If we don't re-sign him ASAP
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To be fair, Rita might write something mean If we don't re-sign him ASAP
if not she will block us?
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
Actually yr seven he has achieved long service leave. Just a shame the club has achieved nothing during the process.
I am laughing my arse off you could see this coming from so far back.
I actually think the club and a lot of the supporters are afraid of success.The reasons for that should be obvious.
Well we have seen Rance develop into the best KPD in the league, did you see that coming as well?
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
Actually yr seven he has achieved long service leave. Just a shame the club has achieved nothing during the process.
I am laughing my arse off you could see this coming from so far back.
I actually think the club and a lot of the supporters are afraid of success.The reasons for that should be obvious.
Well we have seen Rance develop into the best KPD in the league, did you see that coming as well?
Lol not sure what that has to do with this thread other than to take a cheap shot, which when we are honest about things is about all you do. You dont want an answer to the question so i wont answer it. No wonder there are complaints about your posting on here.
Is he the best KPD in the comp though.? ;)
Surely you have some new material by now.You have dragged the Rance one up for how long? 4 5 yrs or more, talk about obsession? You need to learn to let go son i know the truth hurts sometimes, and i can see you don't deal with reality too well. But mate for your own good you just need to learn how to deal with it.
Cmon now son surely you have some new percieved slight you would like to hurl at me? anything new anything different will do, i promise you i can deal with it. I am worried about you chucky it seems your getting more and more obsessed by the day, Harping on and feverishly hanging onto the one thing is not good for you. I know its the only thing you have but obsessing like this is not good for ya. :o
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
Actually yr seven he has achieved long service leave. Just a shame the club has achieved nothing during the process.
I am laughing my arse off you could see this coming from so far back.
I actually think the club and a lot of the supporters are afraid of success.The reasons for that should be obvious.
"Achieved Nothing" - really Claw . Is that what you really truly believe ?
http://finalsiren.com/AFLLadder.asp?AFLLadderTypeID=1&SeasonID=2009&Round=22-1
Inherited a train wreck.
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So after six seasons his "achievement" is improving on Terry Wallace's last year? Oh dear.....
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So after six seasons his "achievement" is improving on Terry Wallace's last year? Oh dear.....
Yes winning an extra 10 games a year has been awful.
Having the fourth best percentage compared to the worst has been awful too.
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Yeah and stiil not being able to win a final has been totally awesome! :gotigers
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Yeah and stiil not being able to win a final has been totally awesome! :gotigers
Didn't realise our Elimination final winning window had shut . My bad. Roll out the tank.
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Yeah because trying to get a better coach would be "rolling out the tank".... nah better just keep celebrating improved percentage, beating Hawthorn in July and crossing our fingers hoping for perpetual natural improvement while all other clubs stand still or go backwards and one day we might achieve your ultimate goal of winning an Elimination Final.
As long as we stay in that bottom half of the top 8 window we're laughin'....
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Yeah and stiil not being able to win a final has been totally awesome! :gotigers
Didn't realise our Elimination final winning window had shut . My bad. Roll out the tank.
It doesn't have to shut.
They can't get through it either way
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
Actually yr seven he has achieved long service leave. Just a shame the club has achieved nothing during the process.
I am laughing my arse off you could see this coming from so far back.
I actually think the club and a lot of the supporters are afraid of success.The reasons for that should be obvious.
"Achieved Nothing" - really Claw . Is that what you really truly believe ?
http://finalsiren.com/AFLLadder.asp?AFLLadderTypeID=1&SeasonID=2009&Round=22-1
Inherited a train wreck.
What train wreck he inhereted a 16th placed side that included Rance, Riewoldt, Vickery,, Deledio, Cotchin and Edwards. Without these players your looking at a bottom third finish at best this yr .Added to this Martin griffiths and astbury were recruited in 09 and would have been targeted well before Hardwick was appointed in october/november.?. He could hardly take credit or blame for any of them .
Lets face it when he took over the only way we could go was up.We have basically stagnated since the end of 2012.
Off field the club has done well providing stability, resources in recruiting, list management, coaching and facilities that Wallace could only dream of.
On field we have achieved exactly what given the above. We have made the 8 a feat many ordinary sides regularly achieve. We have been a middling side and the real trouble is we have not looked capable of becoming a genuine top 4 side there is still a heavy reliance on the wallace players with just a couple in the same league having come in the Hardwick yrs.
As a blind man can see there is still a heavy reliance of many of the juniors stepping up and becoming high quality afl players the trouble with that is there are no guarantees of that happening.
In fact development of juniors outside of first rounders remains ordinary.
Look your entitled to your view but as far as im concerned we have not achieved a thing on field we cant even beat ordinary sides in finals.If your content with being a middling side thats fine but imo atm that is all we are. 7th 8TH -12TH It is all middling and means absolutely nothing.
Even with the above advantages Hardwick first 5 yrs had managed on average just 10 wins a season compared to Wallaces 5yrs of 8 wins a season.And they both started from the same place 16th or last.Under both coaches our teams have been flat track bullies but failing when the big boys actually come out and play.We looked nothing like a top side under Wallace and to me the same applies under Hardwick.
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Irrespective whether we sign Dimma up for another 2 years or not,this year is his crunch year.We balls it up this year and the groundswell from the supporters and the media would be too great to ignore.Thats why I think even a new contract now will have get out of jail clauses in it for the club I would assume
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The club had already indicated they expected Hardwick to be-resigned in the new year and before the start of the season. Hardwick said he was untroubled by the timing of a new contract.
"To be perfectly frank it is not something I really worry about. At the end of the day my thoughts and processes are with the preparation of this side and [the contract] is not going to change how hard I work. My thoughts are with the players and getting them prepared for the challenges ahead," he said.
"For mine it is something that will play out - I am not too worried about it."
Source: The Age (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-richmonds-chris-yarran-wont-play-in-seniors-in-first-third-of-season-20160216-gmw2sp.html)
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Big mistake for me what is the rush ???.Have to make finals and win a final atleast the passmark otherwise bye bye Dimma simple as that,the list is good enough no more exuses the board need to stand tall.
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They make money without having success.
That's success to them.
Hardwick is a total failure in regards to the big picture.
His role as chief motivator and coach has been diversionary.
Is he getting a gold watch for his long service leave bonus, in 2030?
Actually yr seven he has achieved long service leave. Just a shame the club has achieved nothing during the process.
I am laughing my arse off you could see this coming from so far back.
I actually think the club and a lot of the supporters are afraid of success.The reasons for that should be obvious.
Well we have seen Rance develop into the best KPD in the league, did you see that coming as well?
Lol not sure what that has to do with this thread other than to take a cheap shot, which when we are honest about things is about all you do. You dont want an answer to the question so i wont answer it. No wonder there are complaints about your posting on here.
Is he the best KPD in the comp though.? ;)
Surely you have some new material by now.You have dragged the Rance one up for how long? 4 5 yrs or more, talk about obsession? You need to learn to let go son i know the truth hurts sometimes, and i can see you don't deal with reality too well. But mate for your own good you just need to learn how to deal with it.
Cmon now son surely you have some new percieved slight you would like to hurl at me? anything new anything different will do, i promise you i can deal with it. I am worried about you chucky it seems your getting more and more obsessed by the day, Harping on and feverishly hanging onto the one thing is not good for you. I know its the only thing you have but obsessing like this is not good for ya. :o
Thanks for the feedback
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Yeah and stiil not being able to win a final has been totally awesome! :gotigers
Didn't realise our Elimination final winning window had shut . My bad. Roll out the tank.
It doesn't have to shut.
They can't get through it either way
If Richmond was a person in a house fire and the window was wide open, they'd still wouldnt get through it.
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For me it's pretty simple-
We have a good year and Dimma gets another contract.
We have a poor year and it's out of Dimma control due to a heap of injuries, we assess it and make a decision on another contract.
And lastely we have a poor year and we make a decision that Dimma has had long enough and no contract is offered.
Whichever it is out of the 3 above, the decision should be made at the end of the year. Absolutely no reason in the world to make that decision now. Not one!
IMO Dimma has done a reasonable job but I think we have repaid him as much as he has done well for the RFC. 2016 is where only results can matter. Either get the job done Dimma or it's thanks but no thanks.
There are many aspiring coaches out there, if we need to find one at years end, the RFC just have to have the balls and the brains to find a good one.
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For me it's pretty simple-
We have a good year and Dimma gets another contract.
We have a poor year and it's out of Dimma control due to a heap of injuries, we assess it and make a decision on another contract.
And lastely we have a poor year and we make a decision that Dimma has had long enough and no contract is offered.
Whichever it is out of the 3 above, the decision should be made at the end of the year. Absolutely no reason in the world to make that decision now. Not one!
IMO Dimma has done a reasonable job but I think we have repaid him as much as he has done well for the RFC. 2016 is where only results can matter. Either get the job done Dimma or it's thanks but no thanks.
There are many aspiring coaches out there, if we need to find one at years end, the RFC just have to have the balls and the brains to find a good one.
:clapping
Great post
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For me it's pretty simple-
We have a good year and Dimma gets another contract.
We have a poor year and it's out of Dimma control due to a heap of injuries, we assess it and make a decision on another contract.
And lastely we have a poor year and we make a decision that Dimma has had long enough and no contract is offered.
Whichever it is out of the 3 above, the decision should be made at the end of the year. Absolutely no reason in the world to make that decision now. Not one!
IMO Dimma has done a reasonable job but I think we have repaid him as much as he has done well for the RFC. 2016 is where only results can matter. Either get the job done Dimma or it's thanks but no thanks.
There are many aspiring coaches out there, if we need to find one at years end, the RFC just have to have the balls and the brains to find a good one.
Agree with the post but who are the "many aspiring coaches out there"? More to the point, IMO this team is ready for the big one, what aspiring coach could take them there? Surely we would rather have a Clarkson or Lyon type, more so than an aspiring coach who will take time to find his feet and implement multiple game plans?