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Title: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: richmondrules on February 24, 2008, 12:49:14 PM
Posted here a bit late. There are already pages on PRE with posters in melt down over being perceived as negative. If the shoe fits I reckon ...

Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/general/gloomy-outlook-on-punt-road/2008/02/23/1203467463190.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2

Karen Lyon | February 23, 2008

IT’S still February and already the claws are out for Richmond.

An awful performance against an undermanned St Kilda in the opening week of the pre-season competition has sent the passionate and volatile Tiger faithful into a tailspin.

Still weeks away from the opening bounce of the real stuff, the Richmond masses are already venting their collective spleen. The ever popular Punt Road End, the Tigers’ unofficial website, has been awash with disappointment since the half-strength Saints took an almost full-strength Richmond side to task last week and won by 40 points.

The word in football circles was that the Saints had no interest in winning the match and the betting followed suit, with Richmond backed from $2.30 into $1.50 favouritism. Before being beaten — badly.

After a strangely quiet pre-season at Punt Road, expectations rose quickly then were dashed in a half. Questions were quickly asked about the team’s lack of skill, lack of class, lack of leadership and lack of size in comparison to their opposition.

Four years into Terry Wallace’s reign, expectations that the young Tigers would stand up were immediately replaced by the belief that 2008 would mean more of the same for the fans.

Already, the Tigers share woodenspoon favouritism with Melbourne — the team it beat in a practice match on Friday — at $3.80 on TAB Sportsbet. It is, at $1.18, the most favoured team to miss the top eight — one wag on puntroadend.com suggesting that those odds are better than bank interest and arguably just as safe.

It’s the $71 outsider to win the flag. It’s a $21 chance to make the top four. It’s mid-February, and according to the bookmakers, the season’s as good as over for Richmond.

Of course, to suggest that preseason form is in any way an accurate guide to a team’s home-and-away performance is fraught with danger. Look at Carlton — in 2005 it won the NAB Cup from eventual grand finalist West Coast, then won the wooden spoon.

Last season, it beat Brisbane to win the NAB Cup, then finished second last, winning four games for the year and sacking its coach with six rounds to go.

Then there’s North Melbourne’s cautionary tale — smashed by Adelaide by 147 points in the first round of the 1993 pre-season competition, the Kangaroos sacked coach Wayne Schimmelbusch, appointed Denis Pagan and went on to make the finals.

Few inside the football world are willing to write off the Tigers — or any team — before the season even starts. Publicly, a group of former Richmond players contacted by The Sunday Age this week were not prepared to criticise or even comment on their old team.

But privately, several expressed their serious disappointment at the first-up performance and said the signs were not promising. "The fact that they were almost at full strength and St Kilda had half a side out and they didn’t give a yelp, that was the most disappointing aspect," said one.

"Perhaps it just does give the indication that people have overrated a lot of players at Richmond, and the list is obviously not that good, and the players that they have brought in haven’t been able to give them a lot."

Collingwood premiership captain Tony Shaw was another who wondered whether Wallace simply "doesn’t have the cattle".

"I didn’t like some of the early signs," he said. "Their kicking skills, turning the ball over under pressure . . . maybe he just doesn’t have the cattle. If they don’t have the ball in the hands of their quality players, players like Nathan Brown, Deledio and maybe Joel Bowden, a lot of the other blokes don’t kick the ball well enough.

"If you don’t hit targets by hand or foot, you are putting enormous pressure on yourself and you are going to be scored against," he said.

Shaw, like most observers, was keen to see what changes Richmond had made in the off-season but felt what was presented was more of the same. "I didn’t see a lot of style changes," he said.

"They were very indirect going into their forward line, a lot of wide passes instead of hitting the top of the square. I think they have got to start even thinking about playing a big body in the top of the square, whether its a Simmonds or somebody else, who can stand there and just straighten them up a bit, because they are indirect.

"You will really worry if it happens in the first round (of the premiership season)."

RICHMOND football director Greg Miller doesn’t hide from the fact that last week’s loss was disappointing, but thinks perspective is needed in examining a match that occurred before the weather has even turned cool.

"As far as we are concerned, sure we are disappointed in the result — it is not something that we would have liked at this time of the year — but putting things into perspective, obviously we are very pleased with our training, we are very pleased with how the club is going and we expect that to carry over to the main season," Miller said.

"The main objective of every team over summer these days is to get a solid base into as many players as you can. So there is no complaints, we have got a solid base for the majority of our players. Trent Crotchin, he is about the only one (who hasn’t), there have been a few who have had slight interruptions but we have had a good summer.

"I couldn’t tell you the same thing this time last year, when we had the Browns and the Coughlans and the Simmonds, these guys out. We are pleased with our summer."

Cotchin, the club’s highly rated No. 2 draft pick, was this month added to the long-term injury list with stress fractures of the feet. Despite rumours the classy midfielder could miss a sizeable chunk of his first season, Miller said he would be available from round three.

Recruiting has been a major cause of Richmond angst in recent years. The poaching of the highly respected Craig Cameron from Melbourne over the summer provides some light at the end of the tunnel for supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft.

After claiming last year’s wooden spoon, the Tigers have hardly been spotted all summer. Usually one of the most high-profile coaches in the competition, Wallace has honoured a request from his players in spending much of the summer in the background, as other issues such as the expansion of the competition, the fate of the Kangaroos, Ben Cousins and drugs in sport have dominated the headlines.

Miller is adamant there will be no big headlines out of Punt Road before the real season starts. "We will let our onfield (performances) do the talking, it’s as simple as that. There won’t be any comments about anything and the Richmond faithful will have to wait for round one," said Miller.

"We didn’t do it in round one of the NAB Cup but we look forward to doing it in round one of the premiership season. When it counts."
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mjs on February 24, 2008, 01:09:37 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead


Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 24, 2008, 01:10:02 PM
imo the stkilda loss is unforgivable and for once i agree with Tony Shaw.

We're stuffen sh it - lol

IDGAF whos fault it is anymore,it's like flogging a dead horse.

stuff hope and loyalty - were stuffed!
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Moi on February 24, 2008, 01:31:17 PM
I only joined this year because I know the year I don't is the year we'll make the finals and grand final.
I've had enough of footy, supporters, the way the game is going, the AFL, the negativity, the habitual bad mouthing of people about everyone and everything.
Another year like last year and that'll be the end of me.

And I don't care how that sounds to ppl.
 :help
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 24, 2008, 01:39:25 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead




The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 24, 2008, 02:11:29 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 24, 2008, 03:25:50 PM
Hello last week Ms Lyon ::)

Quote
Of course, to suggest that preseason form is in any way an accurate guide to a team’s home-and-away performance is fraught with danger.

Few inside the football world are willing to write off the Tigers — or any team — before the season even starts. Publicly, a group of former Richmond players contacted by The Sunday Age this week were not prepared to criticise or even comment on their old team.
Yet Karen you based your whole article around us losing a practice match last weekend despite us winning a practice match this weekend  ::) and you took "former player comments" second hand ;). I guess when you can't get the reaction you want from the Club itself you write a flimsy article based on innuendo to generate a reaction  :sleep.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 24, 2008, 03:50:08 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead

The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations  :whistle.

Quote
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.

Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.

In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Smokey on February 24, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.
Richmond has a "Buddy" - we call him Richo - and look where that's got us!
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 24, 2008, 05:23:25 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead

The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations  :whistle.

Quote
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.

Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.

In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.

The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 24, 2008, 05:30:48 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead




The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.

ive seen enough of football to know tambling if he continues the way he is has been going then ill be convinced he is a dud by seasons end

something in me really thinks maybe its not the player, maybe its the development. If thats the case royal and the rest of his croons should go.
they are weak *****. im sorry if that word offends but thats the RFC. weak as anything.
You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.
U know what ive heard it all before and maybe not just wallace should go, maybe the lot of them should go.
Do yourselves a favour and have a look at eagles players upper body development.
What is with us. seriously we have a deep problem in this year and what do we do. pick up Jordy(65kg;s)mcmahon.
Pathetic!!
we lack size in every department its not funny. apart from lids the rest of our senior players seem to have lost weight
Our recruiting requirements!!- If your under 70kg's. u have got the gig at Punt Road.
Laugh as u may it probably is true
We are weak and until this area changesd we will be seen as push overs by every team in the AFL
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ramps on February 24, 2008, 05:32:34 PM
Irrespective of natural talent or how they play the game, I just wanna know Deledio and Foley have managed to jump on the weights and get themselves in proper shape to be AFL footballers and our other young players at our club are there for years and cant put on 1kg.

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed. They just want the contract and thats it. Thats what it looks like to me. I know alot of our players dont have enough talent but you know as a supporters who chucks in cash like everyone else, I want to see them present themselves in proper AFL ready shape and see them have a fair dinkum go. Thats it.

I gotta say, most of our players are not in ready AFL 'shape' and mostly I have doubts about how they go about playing the game.

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 24, 2008, 05:59:24 PM

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.

bingo.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 24, 2008, 06:17:23 PM

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.

bingo.



noooooooooooo  Bingoooooooooooooooo lol  Ha hahahahaha
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 24, 2008, 06:18:13 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead




The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.

ive seen enough of football to know tambling if he continues the way he is has been going then ill be convinced he is a dud by seasons end

something in me really thinks maybe its not the player, maybe its the development. If thats the case royal and the rest of his croons should go.
they are weak cu.nts. im sorry if that word offends but thats the RFC. weak as anything.
You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.
U know what ive heard it all before and maybe not just wallace should go, maybe the lot of them should go.
Do yourselves a favour and have a look at eagles players upper body development.
What is with us. seriously we have a deep problem in this year and what do we do. pick up Jordy(65kg;s)mcmahon.
Pathetic!!
we lack size in every department its not funny. apart from lids the rest of our senior players seem to have lost weight
Our recruiting requirements!!- If your under 70kg's. u have got the gig at Punt Road.
Laugh as u may it probably is true
We are weak and until this area changesd we will be seen as push overs by every team in the AFL

Once again, I totally agree with you :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 24, 2008, 06:27:05 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead

The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations  :whistle.

Quote
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.

Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.

In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.

The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
What I said is starring in Division 2 is different to starring in Division 1 or alike junior competitions such as the TAC Cup, SANFL or WAFL colts. You can't dispute that. It's a lower standard. That's why 95% of top 20 picks are taken from Division 1 let alone top 5. The only star I can think of that came from Div 2 in the past 10 years was Nick Riewoldt. Brennan and the Clarke brothers have hardly set the AFL alight. You would hope the decision to recruit Richie was based on far more than starring in one Div 2 U18 game.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 24, 2008, 06:33:13 PM

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.

bingo.



noooooooooooo  Bingoooooooooooooooo lol  Ha hahahahaha
So it's the fault of lazy players who could but don't demand a higher standard of themselves :thumbsup.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 24, 2008, 06:53:39 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead

The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations  :whistle.

Quote
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.

Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.

In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.

The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
What I said is starring in Division 2 is different to starring in Division 1 or alike junior competitions such as the TAC Cup, SANFL or WAFL colts. You can't dispute that. It's a lower standard. That's why 95% of top 20 picks are taken from Division 1 let alone top 5. The only star I can think of that came from Div 2 in the past 10 years was Nick Riewoldt. Brennan and the Clarke brothers have hardly set the AFL alight. You would hope the decision to recruit Richie was based on far more than starring in one Div 2 U18 game.

Can tell you the decision was made after this game, beleive me or not.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Fishfinger on February 24, 2008, 07:17:31 PM

You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
Have another look. Moore is a tank.  ???

I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.
Didn't Thursfield have stress fractures in his back? How was he supposed to lift weights?

Most of our "skinny" players have only been in the system for 3 years or less. The emphasis on building players up has only been since Wallace arrived. It doesn't happen overnight.
West Coast are years ahead and have the luxury of being able to develop players for 3 or 4 years before adding them to the senior side.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 24, 2008, 09:24:55 PM
What a pathetic piece of drivel but sadly one appearing right on queue after the reaction to last weeks glorifiend practice match result. The media live for (actually they lust after) the reaction of tiger supporters after a loss. And boy didn't we give them what they so desperately crave.

Funny thing is that once an article like this appears people seem to go into the super defensive mode of "why are they picking on me, why are they calling us negative" It is hysterical - really it is  ;D

It was pathetic that Karen has used yet again the Tambling -v- Franklin debate, low blow Karen. However not surprising seeing she couldn't find 1 former player to come out and say something publicly. All she gave was the old "cloaks & daggers" line that some players said things "privately" . I am not quite sure if that is reflection of her ability to get a story or the lack of conviction of former players.

It was a nothing story simply because it said very little apart from stating what most of us already know and that was people were disappointed with last weeks result and that has made some people give up on the season...big bloody deal...

Oh well I am sure can we expect the same sort of story on Carlton this week, perhaps the Bulldogs, what about geelong, surely their season is about to fall apart at the seams after losing on the weekend

Then again ...we know we wont because it doesn't make good copy at all does it

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ramps on February 24, 2008, 09:31:29 PM

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.

bingo.



noooooooooooo  Bingoooooooooooooooo lol  Ha hahahahaha


whata ya mean no bingo ... yes bingo ... we are poo, our players dont care and we are a rabble

bingo, yes bingo, whether you like it or not its

BINGO time Jacko! ;D
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 24, 2008, 09:33:27 PM
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz   :banghead

The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations  :whistle.

Quote
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.

Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.

In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.

The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
What I said is starring in Division 2 is different to starring in Division 1 or alike junior competitions such as the TAC Cup, SANFL or WAFL colts. You can't dispute that. It's a lower standard. That's why 95% of top 20 picks are taken from Division 1 let alone top 5. The only star I can think of that came from Div 2 in the past 10 years was Nick Riewoldt. Brennan and the Clarke brothers have hardly set the AFL alight. You would hope the decision to recruit Richie was based on far more than starring in one Div 2 U18 game.

Can tell you the decision was made after this game, beleive me or not.
I can believe it (you told me this before btw Jack ;) ) but you would hope with more resources being put towards recruiting we now judge junior footballers on more than just starring in one game.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 24, 2008, 09:37:24 PM

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.

bingo.



noooooooooooo  Bingoooooooooooooooo lol  Ha hahahahaha


whata ya mean no bingo ... yes bingo ... we are pooh, our players dont care and we are a rabble

bingo, yes bingo, whether you like it or not its

BINGO time Jacko! ;D

I agree Ramps.
I just wanted to say, ""Noooooo Bingooooooo"" lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 24, 2008, 09:39:59 PM

You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
Have another look. Moore is a tank.  ???

I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.
Didn't Thursfield have stress fractures in his back? How was he supposed to lift weights?
Yep FF Thursty had stress fractures in his back for a time being.

I wouldn't criticise Moore on his size. More he is an inch or two short to be a key defender IMO.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ramps on February 24, 2008, 09:42:42 PM

It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.

bingo.



noooooooooooo  Bingoooooooooooooooo lol  Ha hahahahaha


whata ya mean no bingo ... yes bingo ... we are pooh, our players dont care and we are a rabble

bingo, yes bingo, whether you like it or not its

BINGO time Jacko! ;D

I agree Ramps.
I just wanted to say, ""Noooooo Bingooooooo"" lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

whatever happened to the indian who used to do that stuff in the program.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 24, 2008, 09:52:12 PM
lmao - were stuffed.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Darth Tiger on February 24, 2008, 10:00:36 PM
What a pathetic piece of drivel but sadly one appearing right on queue after the reaction to last weeks glorified practice match result. The media live for (actually they lust after) the reaction of tiger supporters after a loss. And boy didn't we give them what they so desperately crave.

Funny thing is that once an article like this appears people seem to go into the super defensive mode of "why are they picking on me, why are they calling us negative" It is hysterical - really it is  ;D


Agree WP.

Self important diatribe with little analysis is the basis of fact in some circles.

An opinion doesn't necessarily translate into coherent analysis.

Reminds me of someone who once said something about not sitting on a fence ....
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 24, 2008, 10:54:19 PM

You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
Have another look. Moore is a tank.  ???

I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.
Didn't Thursfield have stress fractures in his back? How was he supposed to lift weights?

Most of our "skinny" players have only been in the system for 3 years or less. The emphasis on building players up has only been since Wallace arrived. It doesn't happen overnight.
West Coast are years ahead and have the luxury of being able to develop players for 3 or 4 years before adding them to the senior side.

sorry i take it all back. i must have been so wrong in assuming we are so weak and skinny its not even funny anymore.

i will not get into this with any of u.
we r a team full of skinny players who get brushed aside so easy its pathetic.
we lay a tackle and the opposing players break those tackles quicker than sugar missing a target
don't talk to me about eagles being 3 years ahead in development. check out the pies and other teams.
development is a joke at punt road and if u don't believe that well u must be on something.

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Fishfinger on February 24, 2008, 11:47:05 PM

sorry i take it all back. i must have been so wrong....

Very noble of you to concede.  ;D

One person has stated they "totally agree" with you. If you send that person your opinion via pm you'll never have to worry about getting precious and resorting to crap like "u must be on something" when anyone disagrees with you or points out holes in your argument.  :-*
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 25, 2008, 12:22:38 AM
we won the wooden spoon last year so who cares whats written about the RFC
we years off progressing anywhere up the ladder its the assistant coaching staff is whats the clubs problem
Until we get some experienced coaches to coach with Terry the media will always rubbish us
l dont care what the media say as long as the RFC & the players shut there mouths & play football
bad skills & size points to one thing THE COACHES
Skills are shocking its got nothing to do about the fitness its the skills & tactics that cost us games

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 25, 2008, 05:00:23 AM

sorry i take it all back. i must have been so wrong....

Very noble of you to concede.  ;D

One person has stated they "totally agree" with you. If you send that person your opinion via pm you'll never have to worry about getting precious and resorting to crap like "u must be on something" when anyone disagrees with you or points out holes in your argument.  :-*

u keep believing that pal wont u.
accept the facts buddy we are a group of skinny push overs who every team loves to play mainly because of this reason and a few more.
if i were coaching rfc all that needed to be said was lay some early pressure on them, kick some early goals and the game is ours for the taking.
apart from a few really good players who try their gutz out we r a weak unit and until i see some fighting spirit this year not that spineless crap i saw last year i will be convinced we have got worse since last year.

round 1 ill see what these players are really in it for.
THE RFC OR THEIR PAY PACKET...time will tell!!!

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Fishfinger on February 25, 2008, 08:41:46 AM

accept the facts buddy we are a group of skinny push overs who every team loves to play mainly because of this reason and a few more.
Ok, now you want to deal with facts. Suits me.

We're a skinny side because we've got so many kids on the list, a lot of them in the senior side due to the lack of 24 to 27 year olds. Wallace has recruited 26 kids since becoming coach. You can't turn them all into hulks in 3 or less years.
Wallace commented on the lack of conditioning the players had when he took over. Players like Bowden, Hyde, Newman and Moore have noticeably bulked up since then.

Here's a fact. Thursfield had stress fractures in his back. This leads to another fact. Greg Miller was telling you the truth about Thursfield not being able to put on size due to a bad back.

 
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: {X} on February 25, 2008, 09:24:35 AM
just a question, how the heck does someone play footy with stress fractures in his back?

does he still have stress fractures, or did he have them and has rcovered?

if his back has recovered, there is no reason why he cannot train with weights to put on muscle mass, if they say he cant gain weight due to stress fractures they are fos. if he had them, he would not be playing a collision sport such as afl.

now assuming his back is fine now, then he is right to tarin hard wih weights

butthey dont want him too, theywant him to stay as he is because he is not a body on body full back, he is a defeder that uses his closing speed, great reach  and timing to spoil and defend. they fear if he baulks up he will lose his agility and speed , thus their is no point in him getting massive as power feds are a dying breed.

good footy players are smart footy players.

we have seen joel bowden own j brown a few times, now brown is much stronger and biggerbut joel knew how to play him and has done it well

we need bigger bodies in the guts, in the midfeild. guys who wont be pushed over and brushed aside so easily
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 25, 2008, 09:38:36 AM
our players have always got some hidden injuries but somehow they still manage to run out in the top 22 on matchday
its just rubbish they spin to us week after week stop beleiving the rubbish the media king Wallace spins
simple fix it dont play injured players & there be no excuses & the younger players get a chance to make the step up
Richmond supporters will be happy there playing the draftees & when the senior players are fit then we be a better outfit
Problem is we aint going to be a better outfit till we get them experienced assistant coaches like over clubs  :rollin
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 25, 2008, 09:45:45 AM
Thursfield probably got a sore back when Sydneys Hall used him as a stop haha his so frail it shattered him X
he wouldnot be playing with a stress fracture to the back. he be laying very low.
even running laps would kill him he be injected like a racing horse
what happened to the tuff guy Conners he's gone backwards already  :rollin JON has taken his spot now thats class
Hall will smack him up this year if he gets a game against Sydney his braggng days are over  :lol
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 25, 2008, 09:51:32 AM

accept the facts buddy we are a group of skinny push overs who every team loves to play mainly because of this reason and a few more.
Ok, now you want to deal with facts. Suits me.

We're a skinny side because we've got so many kids on the list, a lot of them in the senior side due to the lack of 24 to 27 year olds. Wallace has recruited 26 kids since becoming coach. You can't turn them all into hulks in 3 or less years.
Wallace commented on the lack of conditioning the players had when he took over. Players like Bowden, Hyde, Newman and Moore have noticeably bulked up since then.

Here's a fact. Thursfield had stress fractures in his back. This leads to another fact. Greg Miller was telling you the truth about Thursfield not being able to put on size due to a bad back.

 

thursfield okay ill let that one pass. ur right there
yeah newman and bowden are hulks arent they?
schulz, hyde, petts, wow they are massive??

mate there is a development issue at Punt road, i dont know whose fault it is but u can deny it all u want.
i often ask myself will some of the players on our list be better at other clubs and the answer is yes.
so obviously we arent developing them as we should be it in size or mental strength.
they are weak on the field and it shows. i want to see some fear in opposition teams when we walk onto the field and dont tell me it comes with time. time is what we have been using as an excuse since 1983.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Gordon Bennett on February 25, 2008, 10:21:14 AM
u keep believing that pal wont u.....
......accept the facts buddy

Quote from: daniel
mate
pal, buddy, mate..... you're a very friendly fellow, aren't you Daniel?

However, trying to argue in a logical manner with fishfinger is, for you, like stepping into the lion's den.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Fishfinger on February 25, 2008, 10:47:48 AM

mate there is a development issue at Punt road, i dont know whose fault it is but u can deny it all u want.

There was a development issue. Doubt you'd get an argument from anyone there. Certainly not from me.
I don't think there is an issue any longer. Specifically, since Wallace took over. Yet to be proven but I think it will be. I know you said you don't want me to tell you this - it comes with time.  :)

Only 2 kids out of 26 drafted since Wallace took over are gone (Limbach & Peterson).
That says to me that development is in full swing and going ok. Up until the end of 2007, every player on the senior list except Collins and Casserly had played in the senior side.

Bugger all kids were drafted in the 3 years previous to Wallace arriving. It'll take longer 3 years, and that's just the oldest batch from the 2004 draft (who seem to be coming along pretty well), to fairly judge our development success under Wallace.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 25, 2008, 11:31:28 AM
u keep believing that pal wont u.....
......accept the facts buddy

Quote from: daniel
mate
pal, buddy, mate..... you're a very friendly fellow, aren't you Daniel?

However, trying to argue in a logical manner with fishfinger is, for you, like stepping into the lion's den.

well if its not gordon bennett my long time nemesis
ill argue with anyone on this forum dont u worry about that champ, and fish mckernan's is the least of my concerns
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: wayne again on February 25, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
 I HAVE BECOME COMFORTABLY NUMB !! :thumbsup :rollin :rollin 8)
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: julzqld on February 25, 2008, 12:49:35 PM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: wayne on February 25, 2008, 01:00:27 PM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 25, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
This is my take on things.

In any world we should have beaten a 1/2 strength st kilda.

The general interpretation of such is we have either not progressed or gotten worse.
Both negatives.
Very hard to swallow as a follow up to the last couple of years,in fact,i refuse to.
Who cares that we beat s hitty melb.
They still choked when they had to play in front of a real audience v saints.

And u can flikc that modelling image crap off too.
Someone on BF said we should shave their heads - I agree.
Little fag mentality happening down there or what?
Geez Geez!

Its as though they can make as much money not playing footy nowdays if they die their hair and cut up(they think)

Just more disappointment.

My patience has gone and i want blood if they(players) dont show commitment to the cause.

F ukc off Tivendale and Johnson too.

Its not like theyre gonna make a diference


Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Mr Magic on February 25, 2008, 01:57:33 PM
Tambling will have a very good season this year. Very good. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Gordon Bennett on February 25, 2008, 02:30:41 PM
u keep believing that pal wont u.....
......accept the facts buddy

Quote from: daniel
mate
pal, buddy, mate..... you're a very friendly fellow, aren't you Daniel?

However, trying to argue in a logical manner with fishfinger is, for you, like stepping into the lion's den.


ill argue with anyone on this forum dont u worry about that champ


I've noticed that, pal/buddy/mate/champ.

Daniel...lion's den...think about it  :D


Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 25, 2008, 04:43:01 PM
Tambling will have a very good season this year. Very good. :thumbsup

On what basis ??
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 25, 2008, 05:07:40 PM
Tambling will have a very good season this year. Very good. :thumbsup

On what basis ??

i think he is taking the pee.
surely he is because tambling will have a good season playing for coburg and the way he is going it will be coburg reserves
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 25, 2008, 05:14:36 PM
just a question, how the heck does someone play footy with stress fractures in his back?

does he still have stress fractures, or did he have them and has rcovered?

if his back has recovered, there is no reason why he cannot train with weights to put on muscle mass, if they say he cant gain weight due to stress fractures they are fos. if he had them, he would not be playing a collision sport such as afl.

now assuming his back is fine now, then he is right to tarin hard wih weights

butthey dont want him too, theywant him to stay as he is because he is not a body on body full back, he is a defeder that uses his closing speed, great reach  and timing to spoil and defend. they fear if he baulks up he will lose his agility and speed , thus their is no point in him getting massive as power feds are a dying breed.

good footy players are smart footy players.

we have seen joel bowden own j brown a few times, now brown is much stronger and biggerbut joel knew how to play him and has done it well

we need bigger bodies in the guts, in the midfeild. guys who wont be pushed over and brushed aside so easily
Another example is Birchall. He's no bigger than Thursty yet he's Hawthorn's main key defender because their midfield and forward lines are so potent. We don't have that luxury. Perhaps they also think if Thursty puts on too much bulk it'll put more stress on his knee.

Agree X about the bigger bodies in the guts where you need it. We also need more quality. We just don't (yet) have the depth to rotate 10-12 decent reliable players through the midfield. Get the midfield right and our bookends will be okay.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: julzqld on February 25, 2008, 05:20:30 PM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: tiga on February 25, 2008, 05:25:29 PM
This is my take on things.

In any world we should have beaten a 1/2 strength st kilda.


Not sure if you noticed Ox but a St Kilda side very similar to the one that beat us also just beat last years Premiers. Therefore going by your rationale, The Cats are destined to be at the bottom with us???. Carlton winning last year!! FLMFAOOOOOOOOOOO Says it all!! Come round one I'm sure you will see a very different tiger side to what we saw against the Saints. I watched Carlton against the Hawks and they are complete rabble!!
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 25, 2008, 05:51:30 PM
We played crap with no intensity but I would also say having Sylvester playing his first game at FB, JON starting on Milne and Foley starting and spending long spurts on the bench was hardly us at full strength either.   
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: {X} on February 25, 2008, 06:22:57 PM
why are tiger fans knocking tambling

he kicked 4 goals v the eagles in one quarter, buddy still has done that, and eff these comparisons with buddy they are different style of players, have different body types, one has his head screwed on his shoulders, the other has a screwed up head

tambling will be a champion, no doubt
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 25, 2008, 06:33:16 PM
why are tiger fans knocking tambling

he kicked 4 goals v the eagles in one quarter, buddy still has done that, and eff these comparisons with buddy they are different style of players, have different body types, one has his head screwed on his shoulders, the other has a screwed up head

tambling will be a champion, no doubt

u think so. look mate your right there different players but tambling just doesnt do enough.
he doesnt run anywhere near hard enough, doesnt look after his own players like others do, he seems to lack confidence whenever he goes near the ball.
i hope he does turn into a champion but i have seen too many like him just disappear into the wilderness.

another average year this year and he will soon  be lost, like krackour
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: {X} on February 25, 2008, 07:37:14 PM
why are tiger fans knocking tambling

he kicked 4 goals v the eagles in one quarter, buddy still has done that, and eff these comparisons with buddy they are different style of players, have different body types, one has his head screwed on his shoulders, the other has a screwed up head

tambling will be a champion, no doubt

u think so. look mate your right there different players but tambling just doesnt do enough.
he doesnt run anywhere near hard enough, doesnt look after his own players like others do, he seems to lack confidence whenever he goes near the ball.
i hope he does turn into a champion but i have seen too many like him just disappear into the wilderness.

another average year this year and he will soon  be lost, like krackour

what drugs are u on?
blingers , from where he came from and the interrupted start to his career has shown plenty

if you have not seen it, it just shows u have no idea about footy

ffs open ur eyes, he hs been more consistant than you make out

and tambling and krak cannot even be compared

sometimes i post bs, but you even out bs me!
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 25, 2008, 11:03:00 PM
Don't want to sound to negative but....

Our skills are disgraceful

Overuse of handball

Shocking decision making

Gameplan???

This is a good example of why there shouldn't be 18 teams.

Lets kick around the boundary all night.

Surely we're not tanking already?

Embarassing

We are quite simply a VFL standard team.
Terrible terrible skills and decision making.














http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20113&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Karen Lyon must be busy at the moment to write the "Gloomy outlook on Royal Parade horizon" article  :whistle
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Mr Magic on February 26, 2008, 01:55:56 AM
On what basis ??

Watch and take notes.
The kid will finish top 5 in our B&F this year Jackstar Onassis.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: richmondrules on February 26, 2008, 07:18:50 AM
On what basis ??

Watch and take notes.
The kid will finish top 5 in our B&F this year Jackstar Onassis.

I'm with you Mr M. I have seen and heard nothing that says the kid will not improve again this year, something he has done every year he has been with us. Unfortunately for him he not some kind of freak so its taking him the same amount of time as most normal people to reach his potential. I think Tambo will do just fine this year, not saying he's going to be one of the games elite but he will continue to develop nicely.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 26, 2008, 09:43:18 AM
Look apart from one game apart from the eagles blingers has hardly fired a shot.
do you think i want him to fail? i would love no more than anyone if he turns out to be a star and by round 22 i believe we will know more about him so i wont say anymore about him till then.

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 27, 2008, 04:08:34 AM
You would expect a few of our cubs to improve markedly as the whole team around them improves over the next few years with the same names eventually replaced by up and comers with 50-80 games under their belt. IMO Blingers will be one of ones who will be far more damaging and influential in a good side. At the moment he is still inconsistent.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 27, 2008, 04:31:25 AM
we went improve.
no ticker.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 27, 2008, 10:00:38 AM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.

Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon
no club even goes out to give 100% in practices games they mean nothing there trial runs Hence the word Practice
why you think all clubs are fielding half strength sides in Nab cup games
& l beleive Richmond is saving itself from injuries so they can go into the main season with better result on the season
we wont play finals for some years we are far off it when you cant tag Del Santo in a game he dominates you got nothing to look forward too
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Ox on February 27, 2008, 11:15:29 AM
This is my take on things.

In any world we should have beaten a 1/2 strength st kilda.


Not sure if you noticed Ox but a St Kilda side very similar to the one that beat us also just beat last years Premiers. Therefore going by your rationale, The Cats are destined to be at the bottom with us???. Carlton winning last year!! FLMFAOOOOOOOOOOO Says it all!! Come round one I'm sure you will see a very different tiger side to what we saw against the Saints. I watched Carlton against the Hawks and they are complete rabble!!

LMAO
i doubt it.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 27, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.

Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon

They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years  ;D  ;).

Seriously though, for all the premiership talk this year based on that one PF loss, the Pies still finished the H/A season with a 13-9 record with a low percentage for a finalist of 101%. Hardly premiership material.  Sure they finished miles ahead of us on the ladder but given the cushy draw they get every year they are overrated and they lack the class needed to win a flag. Only Didak, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are their classy players. Most Magpies are hardworking plodders. Their best 22 was also a mature side too. Only 5 players in that PF were U23. 
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 27, 2008, 02:01:56 PM
hers my view. the pies are extremely well coached.
yes okay one flag in 50 years but they try when there on the field. run, chase tackle to the ground and every year but 1 in every 10 they dont make the finals. well woopty do do

they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.

so comes to one thing. coach and support staff. they dont accept failure like we do at Punt Road.

im telling u know if we play like they did last year we will make the finals but we wont we have no skill and no ticker.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Mr Magic on February 27, 2008, 03:15:44 PM

they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.


We smashed them late last year.

The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 27, 2008, 03:45:04 PM

they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.


We smashed them late last year.

The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..

i know we smashed them, we always do.
all i wish is that we played similar to them. never give up attitude.
we have always been a weak side i dont know where we went wrong in that area.
most side exert a little pressure and we come crumbling down.

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 27, 2008, 04:19:58 PM
On what basis ??

Watch and take notes.
The kid will finish top 5 in our B&F this year Jackstar Onassis.

Watch and take notes, a classic post i reckon, seeing thats what i have done for the past 5 years. lol ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 27, 2008, 04:22:20 PM
Don't want to sound to negative but....

Our skills are disgraceful

Overuse of handball

Shocking decision making

Gameplan???

This is a good example of why there shouldn't be 18 teams.

Lets kick around the boundary all night.

Surely we're not tanking already?

Embarassing

We are quite simply a VFL standard team.
Terrible terrible skills and decision making.














http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20113&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Karen Lyon must be busy at the moment to write the "Gloomy outlook on Royal Parade horizon" article  :whistle


Has MT changed his views ??? Or just taking the pee out of posters here ???
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Mr Magic on February 27, 2008, 04:27:52 PM

::) ::) ::) ::)


You'll see Jackie Chan, you'll see..

Tambling will make those eyes of yours roll into the back of your head. :lol

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 27, 2008, 04:41:19 PM

::) ::) ::) ::)


You'll see Jackie Chan, you'll see..

Tambling will make those eyes of yours roll into the back of your head. :lol



I hope he does.
problem is that he hasnt been developed by the cub and his game hasnt improved to the extent that it should have .
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 27, 2008, 05:44:01 PM
Don't want to sound to negative but....

Our skills are disgraceful

Overuse of handball

Shocking decision making

Gameplan???

This is a good example of why there shouldn't be 18 teams.

Lets kick around the boundary all night.

Surely we're not tanking already?

Embarassing

We are quite simply a VFL standard team.
Terrible terrible skills and decision making.














http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20113&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Karen Lyon must be busy at the moment to write the "Gloomy outlook on Royal Parade horizon" article  :whistle


Has MT changed his views ??? Or just taking the pee out of posters here ???
Did you miss the link at the bottom of that post Jack?  ;) It's from a Blues fan on one of their forums about the Hawks game. Sounds familar lol.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 27, 2008, 06:06:10 PM

they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.


We smashed them late last year.

The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..

i know we smashed them, we always do.
all i wish is that we played similar to them. never give up attitude.
we have always been a weak side i dont know where we went wrong in that area.
most side exert a little pressure and we come crumbling down.


We'll see how the Pies go this year with only 12 players in that 22-27 prime age group (another six 28+ y.o.) and looking in from the outside light on for leadership now that Buckley and Clement have retired. I agree with Magic. A few injuries to key players and they could slide big time.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 10:43:00 AM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.

Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon

They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years  ;D  ;).

Seriously though, for all the premiership talk this year based on that one PF loss, the Pies still finished the H/A season with a 13-9 record with a low percentage for a finalist of 101%. Hardly premiership material.  Sure they finished miles ahead of us on the ladder but given the cushy draw they get every year they are overrated and they lack the class needed to win a flag. Only Didak, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are their classy players. Most Magpies are hardworking plodders. Their best 22 was also a mature side too. Only 5 players in that PF were U23. 

Collingwood has pooh on Richmond as a club & acheivements since we won our last grand final
Collingwood clearly outclasses us on overall acheivements over its history
Collingwood clearly out perform us as a club & get the big games they want because they are managed very well & market well everyone wants to play for them but Richmond cant attract big name players
There coached better than us & thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
They had many injuries last year on many high profile players & yet still manage to play finals which means there kids are stepping up while we use the excuse of we playing kids were rebuilding bla bla bla same old lame excuses
if they didnot go into that Prem final with injuries they would have gotten over Geelong & won last years premiership thank god they didnot win
They also made us look very stupid last year after being in a winning position last year to crumble like we always do & yes we won the next time round but we got the spoon remember so that gives us NO BRAGGING RIGHTS
We simply got 1 game wonders playing for us who cant string several good games together let alone win any of them & our youngsters are so under developed AFTER ARRIVING AT TIGERLAND it stands out if anyone cant see that they know pooh about the development of football
so when you try to defend Richmond as a acheived club against Collingwood you need to read some VFL/AFL history there miles in front of us

& to top it all off the wooden spoons are flying into our cabinets much quicker than Collingwood so read into that  :lol
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 10:48:46 AM

they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.


We smashed them late last year.

The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..

i know we smashed them, we always do.
all i wish is that we played similar to them. never give up attitude.
we have always been a weak side i dont know where we went wrong in that area.
most side exert a little pressure and we come crumbling down.


We'll see how the Pies go this year with only 12 players in that 22-27 prime age group (another six 28+ y.o.) and looking in from the outside light on for leadership now that Buckley and Clement have retired. I agree with Magic. A few injuries to key players and they could slide big time.

l would put 5k on it that they finish in the 8 & play finals with there list & l would expect we finish at least 11th
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: cub on February 28, 2008, 11:12:15 AM
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.
Title: Re: Collingwood are the greatest by Tigermonk
Post by: Fishfinger on February 28, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
Hey TM, get that skunks supporting missus of yours to take your pants off and give em back to you.  ;D  ;)

ps Nathan Brown.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 28, 2008, 01:19:51 PM
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.

its not about that champ its just admiring how players at one club play for each other and never give up.
we use them as an example because its true, they never give up doesn't matter if they are playing in the west or here where as we might as well be 10 goals behind before a ball is bounced thats how much of a chance we have when we play eagles or adelaide over there.
Its all about attitude and our players haven't got that win at all costs mentality and to be honest i dont know where its going to come from.

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.

l do go watch them all the time  ;D
Title: Re: Collingwood are the greatest by Tigermonk
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 08:16:19 PM
Hey TM, get that skunks supporting missus of yours to take your pants off and give em back to you.  ;D  ;)

ps Nathan Brown.

she take my pants off often Fishyfingers its all under control  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 08:20:00 PM
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.

its not about that champ its just admiring how players at one club play for each other and never give up.
we use them as an example because its true, they never give up doesn't matter if they are playing in the west or here where as we might as well be 10 goals behind before a ball is bounced thats how much of a chance we have when we play eagles or adelaide over there.
Its all about attitude and our players haven't got that win at all costs mentality and to be honest i dont know where its going to come from.



thats exactly right  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 28, 2008, 09:38:17 PM
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.

Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon

They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years  ;D  ;).

Seriously though, for all the premiership talk this year based on that one PF loss, the Pies still finished the H/A season with a 13-9 record with a low percentage for a finalist of 101%. Hardly premiership material.  Sure they finished miles ahead of us on the ladder but given the cushy draw they get every year they are overrated and they lack the class needed to win a flag. Only Didak, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are their classy players. Most Magpies are hardworking plodders. Their best 22 was also a mature side too. Only 5 players in that PF were U23. 

Collingwood has pooh on Richmond as a club & acheivements since we won our last grand final
Collingwood clearly outclasses us on overall acheivements over its history
Collingwood clearly out perform us as a club & get the big games they want because they are managed very well & market well everyone wants to play for them but Richmond cant attract big name players
There coached better than us & thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
They had many injuries last year on many high profile players & yet still manage to play finals which means there kids are stepping up while we use the excuse of we playing kids were rebuilding bla bla bla same old lame excuses
if they didnot go into that Prem final with injuries they would have gotten over Geelong & won last years premiership thank god they didnot win
They also made us look very stupid last year after being in a winning position last year to crumble like we always do & yes we won the next time round but we got the spoon remember so that gives us NO BRAGGING RIGHTS
We simply got 1 game wonders playing for us who cant string several good games together let alone win any of them & our youngsters are so under developed AFTER ARRIVING AT TIGERLAND it stands out if anyone cant see that they know pooh about the development of football
so when you try to defend Richmond as a acheived club against Collingwood you need to read some VFL/AFL history there miles in front of us

& to top it all off the wooden spoons are flying into our cabinets much quicker than Collingwood so read into that  :lol
Anyone who knows their VFL/AFL history would know that despite being crap for the past 27 years we still have won 5 times as many flags as the Pies have in the past 50 years  ;) and they only won that one because Essendon was forced to wait 3 weeks for the finals and lost all their momentum and form. The name of the game is to win flags!

Lids' form is comparable with Pendlebury and Thomas and he doesn't have the luxury of playing with an experienced line-up around him (only 5 Pies were U23 in that PF). So the opposition put their number 1 tagger on Pendlebury and Thomas do they! (I'm a fan of Pendelbury too btw)
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2007&Compare=Go&PlayerName1=&PlayerName2=Dale+Thomas&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=1529%2C1656%2C

Plus the only way they got Thomas and Pendlebury was to finish 15th in 2005 with just 3 wins. They didn't make the finals between 1995-2001 where they finished bottom 4 most of those years including a wooden spoon in 1999. Didn't make the finals either in 2004-5. Got spanked out by the Doggies in the first week of 2006. All this with a soft draw too and minimal travelling  ::). Sure say we've be embarrassing compared to Essendon, North and many of the interstate sides but Collingwood! Please!

When was the last time the Pies attracted a big name ....? They missed out on Browny, Gehrig, Stevens, Judd and a heap of others despite being favourites to gain their services and throwing $$$ at them.

As for injuries - what injuries? Buckley, Clement and Licuria have retired as they were ion their last legs so they won't get them back this year. Lose a PF by 5 points and all of a sudden Fraser is a champion  ???. They can't decide on a new captain because they can't guarantee that Fraser and Maxwell will play  ;). They had 18 players play 17 or more games in 2007 and all were in their best 22. We had 14 play 17 or more which didn't include Simmo, Browny, Cogs and Thursty.

As for Bragging Rights - a 15 to 7 head-to-head record since 1994 is nothing short of owning them. The only time we haven't beaten them in a year in that time was 2003. We also lead on head-to-head since 1980  ;).

Anyway as I said let's see how they go this year  :cheers. Only Pie fans are stupid to believe the crap coming out of that club (tradition  :rollin).
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: H Tiger on February 28, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
Great Post MT.

Can't you just pick a team you like T Monkey? :pray
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Darth Tiger on February 28, 2008, 09:45:14 PM

Anyone who knows their VFL/AFL history would know that despite being crap for the past 27 years we still have won 5 times as many flags as the Pies have in the past 50 years  ;) and they only won that one because Essendon was forced to wait 3 weeks for the finals and lost all their momentum and form. The name of the game is to win flags!

Lids' form is comparable with Pendlebury and Thomas and he doesn't have the luxury of playing with an experienced line-up around him (only 5 Pies were U23 in that PF). So the opposition put their number 1 tagger on Pendlebury and Thomas do they! (I'm a fan of Pendelbury too btw)
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2007&Compare=Go&PlayerName1=&PlayerName2=Dale+Thomas&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=1529%2C1656%2C

Plus the only way they got Thomas and Pendlebury was to finish 15th in 2005 with just 3 wins. They didn't make the finals between 1995-2001 where they finished bottom 4 most of those years including a wooden spoon in 1999. Didn't make the finals either in 2004-5. Got spanked out by the Doggies in the first week of 2006. All this with a soft draw too and minimal travelling  ::). Sure say we've be embarrassing compared to Essendon, North and many of the interstate sides but Collingwood! Please!

When was the last time the Pies attracted a big name ....? They missed out on Browny, Gehrig, Stevens, Judd and a heap of others despite being favourites to gain their services and throwing $$$ at them.

As for injuries - what injuries? Buckley, Clement and Licuria have retired as they were ion their last legs so they won't get them back this year. Lose a PF by 5 points and all of a sudden Fraser is a champion  ???. They can't decide on a new captain because they can't guarantee that Fraser and Maxwell will play  ;). They had 18 players play 17 or more games in 2007 and all were in their best 22. We had 14 play 17 or more which didn't include Simmo, Browny, Cogs and Thursty.

As for Bragging Rights - a 15 to 7 head-to-head record since 1994 is nothing short of owning them. The only time we haven't beaten them in a year in that time was 2003. We also lead on head-to-head since 1980  ;).

Anyway as I said let's see how they go this year  :cheers. Only Pie fans are stupid to believe the crap coming out of that club (tradition  :rollin).

Superb Analysis MT,

Did not let press hype or forum perception & emotion overwhelm the facts.

Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 28, 2008, 09:48:56 PM
Superb Analysis MT,

Did not let press hype or forum perception & emotion overwhelm the facts.

Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).

Exactly Darth

Spot on MT

 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 28, 2008, 09:56:16 PM
Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).
If we win in rounds 1 & 3 I'll be a happy boy  :thumbsup.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 28, 2008, 10:34:03 PM
If we win in rounds 1 & 3 I'll be a happy boy  :thumbsup.

Gee I don't know a couple of wins

I think could be depressing as the forum could be boring as a result  :rollin :jump :invasion
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 28, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.  
Enjoy   :thumbsup

  Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood

1994 Round 12  
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood  4 12 36

1995 Round 6                Round 21
Scumwood 12 10 82       Richmond 14 25 109
Richmond   13 16 94       Scumwood  7 13  55

1996 Round 13
Scumwood   10  9  69
Richmond     14   8  92

1997 Round 11
Scumwood   10  11   71
Richmond     11  11   77

1998 Round 4                        Round 19
Scumwood   20  13  133          Richmond    12  14  86  
Richmond     12  16   88          Scumwood    9  13   67

1999 Round 4                        Round  19
Scumwood   14  12  96           Richmond     10  19  79
Richmond     22  14 146          Scumwood    16  16 112

2000 Round 9
Richmond   15  12  102
Scumwood   7  12   54

2001  Round 4                      Round 18
Scumwood  10  11  71           Richmond   10  11 71
Richmond    13   8  86           Scumwood   6   15 51

2002 Round 1                      Round  16
Richmond    24  11  155        Scumwood   13  11  89
Scumwood  18  10  118        Richmond       7   7  49

2003 Round 1                       Round  16
Scumwood  13   16  94           Richmond   9  8  62
Richmond      8   18  66          Scumwood 20 11 131

2004  Round 1                      Round 18
Richmond    14  13  97           Scumwood  15  13 103
Scumwood    8   9  57           Richmond    14   14  98

2005  Round 8
Scumwood    8 10  58
Richmond     13 15 93

2006 Round 13
Richmond   13  14  92
Scumwood   6   9  45

2007
Round 3                       Round 19
Scumwood  17 13 115    Richmond   18   8   116
Richmond    13  12 90     Scumwood 14  12    96

                        Won Lost Drawn   PF     PA      %
Richmond             15   7     -       2050   1803   113.69
Scumwood             7  15    -       1803   2050     87.95  
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 11:39:38 PM
your VFL/AFL history is very short 50 years  :rollin :rollin
l already stated in this thread they get beaten by us so l dont know why you trouble yourself you forgot to mention Richmond never goes on with it after they beat Collingwood cause they fall in a heap
l noticed you didnot mention the wooden spoon tally which is ??? l thought being so good with stats you might post that l'm surprised
Yes Collingwood did have poor seasons & drafted Thomas & Pendlebury & they go on with it & have them playing finals.
we get low draft picks most years & dont go anywhere & yet Deledio & Tambling have done nothing compared to Franklin, Roughead & Lewis at Hawthorn who are playing finals so young
There over rated cant string several good games together why is that you fail to mention
the Kangaroos who seem to blood there drafts ok & Laidley was going to be sacked & had them lift with some injuries key players why aint they down the bottom they got our old assistant coach who everyone was happy to go
If you go through your injured players for the skunks last year you will find others players you forgot to mention maybe you dont know them all :lol
The mere fact that blinds you is that Richmond are so under developed & behind the other clubs you refuse to see it & dream there going to turn into something overnight with shocking skills which have not improved since before Frawley which no-one can denie
Everyone knows l hate Collingwood l use them as a example which l know peees you off but l do enjoy watching most of there games live because they produce good football & still got to the finals without there main backliners & old at that

oh no Presti broken down tonight get the band-aids out
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 28, 2008, 11:45:02 PM
MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.  
Enjoy   :thumbsup

  Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood

1994 Round 12  
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood  4 12 36

1995 Round 6                Round 21
Scumwood 12 10 82       Richmond 14 25 109
Richmond   13 16 94       Scumwood  7 13  55

1996 Round 13
Scumwood   10  9  69
Richmond     14   8  92

1997 Round 11
Scumwood   10  11   71
Richmond     11  11   77

1998 Round 4                        Round 19
Scumwood   20  13  133          Richmond    12  14  86  
Richmond     12  16   88          Scumwood    9  13   67

1999 Round 4                        Round  19
Scumwood   14  12  96           Richmond     10  19  79
Richmond     22  14 146          Scumwood    16  16 112

2000 Round 9
Richmond   15  12  102
Scumwood   7  12   54

2001  Round 4                      Round 18
Scumwood  10  11  71           Richmond   10  11 71
Richmond    13   8  86           Scumwood   6   15 51

2002 Round 1                      Round  16
Richmond    24  11  155        Scumwood   13  11  89
Scumwood  18  10  118        Richmond       7   7  49

2003 Round 1                       Round  16
Scumwood  13   16  94           Richmond   9  8  62
Richmond      8   18  66          Scumwood 20 11 131

2004  Round 1                      Round 18
Richmond    14  13  97           Scumwood  15  13 103
Scumwood    8   9  57           Richmond    14   14  98

2005  Round 8
Scumwood    8 10  58
Richmond     13 15 93

2006 Round 13
Richmond   13  14  92
Scumwood   6   9  45

2007
Round 3                       Round 19
Scumwood  17 13 115    Richmond   18   8   116
Richmond    13  12 90     Scumwood 14  12    96

                        Won Lost Drawn   PF     PA      %
Richmond             15   7     -       2050   1803   113.69
Scumwood             7  15    -       1803   2050     87.95  

l like the scores on that list
l have to go post it on the skunks forum to show Joffa  :rollin
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 03:20:36 AM
your VFL/AFL history is very short 50 years  :rollin :rollin
Sorry I live in the modern era TM since tv was invented and I can watch our last 5 premierships on DVD :lol.

In any case since we entered the comp in 1908 it's 10-12. Hardly a major difference given we were the newbies who had to start from scratch. No priority picks and no VFL giving us a $$$ handshake to attract good players in those days either.

Also take into account that since 1931 when the fairer modern finals system was introduced it's 8 flags to 5 our way. Before that under the old challenge system we had to beat the Pies two weeks in a row to win the GF compared to their once 3 years running. No wonder they won 4 in a row  ::). Just 3 flags since the start of WW2 and you wish we were like Collingwood  :rollin.

We've been crap the last 27 years but for the vast majority of our club's history it is a proud one and a lot better than most  :thumbsup.

FACT: Collingwood has not defeated Richmond in a final since your grandfather was a twinkle in his father's eye TM  ;).

l already stated in this thread they get beaten by us so l dont know why you trouble yourself you forgot to mention Richmond never goes on with it after they beat Collingwood cause they fall in a heap
The Pies have played in 4 finals series in the past 13 years compared to our two. Hardly something to boast about for either club.

l noticed you didnot mention the wooden spoon tally which is ??? l thought being so good with stats you might post that l'm surprised
Because spoons these days mean nothing except an early pick and possible priority pick. It doesn't have the stigma it use to before the draft was introduced. Under the stupid current draft system it's better to finish last than 9th.

Yes Collingwood did have poor seasons & drafted Thomas & Pendlebury & they go on with it & have them playing finals.
we get low draft picks most years & dont go anywhere & yet Deledio & Tambling have done nothing compared to Franklin, Roughead & Lewis at Hawthorn who are playing finals so young

If you go through your injured players for the skunks last year you will find others players you forgot to mention maybe you dont know them all :lol
No we traded away most of our early picks prior to 2004 for recycled players from other clubs. Mostly duds too. Count the players still on our list from 5 years ago. Not many eh! That's why we are crap. The Hawks and Pies had just 5 youngsters (U23) playing most games last year compared to our 11. The Roos also have an experienced list as for financial reasons they can't go for youth and bottom out (they were flogged in two finals btw). So Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Campbell, Brown, Croad, Boyle, Osbourne, Sewell (Clarke and Williams were injured) all finally hitting their prime age at the same time after 6-7 years on their list had nothing to do with Hawthorn's rise last year! How many of those did Clarkson recruit .... ummm none. Where's our prime age core group to make up most of our team ... oh that's right we don't have one  ::) apart from Petts, Newy and Cogs (injured since 2006).

As for the Pie injured players I missed. I have their 2007 playing list right in front me. Surely TM your not claiming Brodie Holland is a star player  :rollin.

The mere fact that blinds you is that Richmond are so under developed & behind the other clubs you refuse to see it & dream there going to turn into something overnight with shocking skills which have not improved since before Frawley which no-one can denie
Everyone knows l hate Collingwood l use them as a example which l know peees you off but l do enjoy watching most of there games live because they produce good football & still got to the finals without there main backliners & old at that

oh no Presti broken down tonight get the band-aids out
I never said Richmond wasn't behind other clubs. We're in another universe behind Geelong, Hawthorn and the really talented lists. You chose Collingwood as an example of a success on-field club. I beg to differ and have shown why. A 13-9 record last year is middle-of-the-road form for any club let alone one that is favoured over everyone else by the draw. I wish we could have only 4 interstate trips and 10 games in a row in Melbourne to finish the season  ::).

Anyway let's see how they do this year  ;).
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 03:28:32 AM
MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.  
Enjoy   :thumbsup

  Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood

1994 Round 12  
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood  4 12 36

2000 Round 9
Richmond   15  12  102
Scumwood   7  12   54

2006 Round 13
Richmond   13  14  92
Scumwood   6   9  45

2007 Round 19
Richmond   18   8   116
Scumwood 14  12    96
My personal favs. Cheers HT74  :cheers  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 10:54:39 AM
ok seeing you put your stats up & say that Collingwood been in the league longer l will even it up for you
in fairness of both clubs playing since 1908 under the same league & rules

Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons

Collingwood Finals 65,  Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond    Finals 34,  Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers  8, Wooden Spoons 6,


you say there not much difference but league records clearly state you wrong

they have nearly doubled our finals appearance & been runnersup double amount of times & finished on top 6 seasons more & Richmond triple them in wooden spoons

this clearly shows Collingwood over the last 100 years is a more successful club

as the judge would say Case dismissed  :thumbsup



Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 29, 2008, 01:45:49 PM
no chance of a retrial on that case.

guys dont let ur hatred for the pies get in the way of the fact they are a more successful and professional club than richmond have been, especially since 1983.

we are as weak as my 95 year old neighbour
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 29, 2008, 01:56:34 PM
Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons

Collingwood Finals 65,  Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond    Finals 34,  Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers  8, Wooden Spoons 6,



Hmmmm..

Collingwood = 35 Grand finals for 12 wins = 34.2% success rate on that front

Richmond = 21 Grand Finals for 10 wins = 47.6% success rate

 :whistle :whistle

The numbers don't lie  ;D
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 03:44:28 PM
Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons

Collingwood Finals 65,  Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond    Finals 34,  Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers  8, Wooden Spoons 6,



Hmmmm..

Collingwood = 35 Grand finals for 12 wins = 34.2% success rate on that front

Richmond = 21 Grand Finals for 10 wins = 47.6% success rate

 :whistle :whistle

The numbers don't lie  ;D

your going purely off success rate off grand final wins
l'm talking about how they make the finals they have had far more success
put your % towards that the stats clearly show Collingwood are far more successful club

as l said l rest my case  :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle :whistle
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: {X} on February 29, 2008, 03:55:13 PM
i still hate collingwood though hate em
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 04:08:33 PM
well you know in real life X l hate the MF with a passion
l hold my tongue for a few hours sitting in that box so the next year l can see the games in comfort & get served by hot chics  :lol
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
ok seeing you put your stats up & say that Collingwood been in the league longer l will even it up for you
in fairness of both clubs playing since 1908 under the same league & rules

Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons

Collingwood Finals 65,  Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond    Finals 34,  Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers  8, Wooden Spoons 6,


you say there not much difference but league records clearly state you wrong

they have nearly doubled our finals appearance & been runnersup double amount of times & finished on top 6 seasons more & Richmond triple them in wooden spoons

this clearly shows Collingwood over the last 100 years is a more successful club

as the judge would say Case dismissed  :thumbsup
All that proves is Collingwood are chokers  :rollin.

The name of the game is to win flags so the premiers column is the only one that matters and there's not too much a difference given the Pies were an established VFL club in 1908 and we were the newbies. Since the end of WW1 it's been even 10 flags a piece. Carlton and Essendon are the most successful clubs having won more flags playing less finals than Collingwood.  
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 04:20:28 PM
l give up like talking to a brick

Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons

Collingwood Finals 65,  Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond    Finals 34,  Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers  8, Wooden Spoons 6,

if you call that even over 100 years your all stuffed up

Collingwood in History since 1897
Collingwood Finals 76,  Premiers 14, Runners up 25, Minor Premiers 17, Wooden Spoons 2,
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 29, 2008, 04:27:38 PM
l give up like talking to a brick

Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons

Collingwood Finals 65,  Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond    Finals 34,  Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers  8, Wooden Spoons 6,

if you call that even over 100 years your all stuffed up

Collingwood in History since 1897
Collingwood Finals 76,  Premiers 14, Runners up 25, Minor Premiers 17, Wooden Spoons 2,


Collingwood, love them or hate them, they are a better club than the RFC
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 04:36:18 PM
Premierships TM. Call me a brick all you like but it's all about premierships  ;).
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 04:47:56 PM
Collingwood, love them or hate them, they are a better club than the RFC
Thank you Eddie  :rollin

It's not the 1930s anymore folks.

COLLINGWOOD = ONE FLAG IN THE PAST 50 YEARS  :wallywink
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: 1965 on February 29, 2008, 04:55:41 PM

Game over


MT wins

 :cheers
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 05:03:59 PM
so what they played in more Grand Finals since we won our last one thats what its all about HELLO
the way we be going it will take us 50 years to win the next
l prefer my side to at least make the grand final like the Skunks do
we cant even make finals
we got the worst record in the league for making finals in the last 25 years
because we took dud sons of former greats who put preasure on the club
Bourke, Raines, Jewell, Roach, P Bowden, l'm sure l missed a fair few
why did KB never preasure RFC for Rhett to play for them maybe he had more respect
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 05:06:14 PM

Game over


MT wins

 :cheers

mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 05:10:42 PM
There is no worse feeling in footy than losing a GF. Ask Tommy Hafey. And you walk away from the year no different to 14 other clubs - no premiership.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 05:15:07 PM
why ask Tommy Hafey
l played in many losing Grand Finals l know the feeling but dont go off the fact Collingwood are a better performed club than the toothless tiger l dont know why you mention 1930 its got nothing to do with it
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: 1965 on February 29, 2008, 05:24:56 PM

Game over


MT wins

 :cheers

mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh

Everything is relative.

My wife is the best woman I have had in the sack for the last 30 years.

Mind she is the only one I have had...

 :cheers

The scum are so bad in so many ways the whole discussion is pointless.

 :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Little Jackie on February 29, 2008, 06:17:19 PM

Game over


MT wins

 :cheers

mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh

Everything is relative.

My wife is the best woman I have had in the sack for the last 30 years.

Mind she is the only one I have had...

 :cheers



 :thumbsup
Whats wrong 65, variety is the spice of life!
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: {X} on February 29, 2008, 06:32:52 PM
it sure is!
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on February 29, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
I can't understand what all the fuss is about. Collingwood in the last 50 years are 20% of the club we are . 1 flag in 1958 to our 5. Its all about winning grand finals not about finishing second third fourth etc. That is the problem with people at Collingwood they talk about the four flags between 27-30 but they also talk about Wayne Harmes in 79 the drawn grannie in 77 the Carlscum comeback in 70 Dees in 64 Saints in 66 KB going bezerk in 80 Vossie in 2002 or Royce coming off the bench injured in the 73 prelim because all these hard luck stories add to the mystique and hardluck of their mediocre football club and they talk these things up as they didn't deserve such things to befall them and they had some sort of God given right to win these matches, hence their appeal to many of the masses who support them because glorified failure is all they can deal with and glorified mediocrity is how they present it to people who can't learn "reality" any better. That is what their good at look at the issue with we'll never change our guernsey when we play Port. Its not that they can't but taking a stance like that and using terms like "our tradition, our members our supporters" galvanises these morons into thinking they are doing it for them when really they are stooping to the lowest common denominator who do not have the perception to see through all this transperancy .
Darren Millane again a sad end but glorifying his life and retiring his guernsey to conceal the fact he was a rogue and a drink driver and a thief of a bus and a trouble maker in the nightclub. Galvanise the nuff nuffs.
When West Coast were top of the tree in 1991 the club most vehement to not playing finals away from Vic were the Skunks yet they didn't make the finals. No progression there all talk no bark. Yet they pride themselves on progression and moving into the 21st century with Lexus centres and hiring 737's yet they can't have an alternate footy jumper. Pies fans have no idea they are getting sucked in, in a worse way than those that invested in Enron as they get close to the top without getting there. Look at the stats 1 flag in 50 years. They are on par with the Saints and the Dogs if we add four years to that.
According to some posters here Pies are more successful than us b/c they have played more finals series than us in the last 25 years when all they have is one flag to show for it in the last 50. Surely not. Its not just premierships but its the way you also sell your club. We at least win flags more often than not when we get there just like the red and black maggots and the Lying Cheating Navy Blue Scumbuckets. Pies just aren't in our league in the modern era. All they have is a large supporter base and a loud mouth commitee board who advertise it to suck more nuffs nuffs in and use that as a bargaining tool come fixtures and other allocations as well.
Oh yes and If I have not reiterated before Since 1958
Richmond 5 Premierships
Skunks 1 Premiership and even that was mediocre as Essendon did not play for 3 weeks as Sumich couldn't kick a goal from 15 metres out and hence only forced a replay which left Essendon cold underprepared and not match fit. You want to take it further they still have not won a flag in September since 1958. I bet the same Pies fans that cry foul of the grannies they lost in "extrenuating circumstances" aren't complaining about the "extrenuating circumstances " that got them a flag. Come on people they are like a placid german shepherd dog. Look intimidating but lack bite.
Need I go on?
Richmond  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Collingwood.  :thumbsup :clapping
Nuff said.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 06:40:05 PM
Brilliant post HT74  :bow  :clapping
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on February 29, 2008, 06:45:51 PM
l dont know why you mention 1930 its got nothing to do with it
The 1930s was the last time the Pies were a true power on-field. They've basically done sweet bugger all since.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on February 29, 2008, 06:48:10 PM
my hatred for the pies doesnt even compare to my hatred for the blues. doesnt even come close.

yes mt its all about winning flags your right there, but all is im saying is u cant deny the fact the pies play to win and are hard at the ball at all costs. the same cant be said about the tigers.

why cant we play with that tenacity every week.
u cant deny its all about player development, and im affriad to say thats our biggest downfall since 1983


Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Smokey on February 29, 2008, 06:51:12 PM
Brilliant post HT74  :bow  :clapping
I'll second that.   :clapping  Well done HT - you nailed the demographic of their supporter base (might explain something about the few suspects on here who are trying to expound the virtues of that club)!  How anyone can call themselves a Richmond supporter and then try and sell the Collingwood story is beyond me.  :o
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: 1965 on February 29, 2008, 07:12:29 PM

Game over


MT wins

 :cheers

mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh

Everything is relative.

My wife is the best woman I have had in the sack for the last 30 years.

Mind she is the only one I have had...

 :cheers



 :thumbsup
Whats wrong 65, variety is the spice of life!

Life is all about loyalty.

 :cheers
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Smokey on February 29, 2008, 07:31:02 PM
Life is all about loyalty.

 :cheers
In relationships AND football clubs.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 07:40:09 PM
lmfao wankers
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: julzqld on February 29, 2008, 09:51:33 PM
Too much talk has been devoted to Collingwood - let's stick to the Tigers.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on February 29, 2008, 10:34:53 PM
Very True enough of the skunks
you cant argue over the facts of the 100 year league stats clearly shows the better team is the Skunks  ;D
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on March 01, 2008, 04:11:35 AM
Yep let's forget aout those 1 in 50 year failures  ;D.

Let's get back to the topic of silly journos who write drivel  :wallywink.
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: 2JD on March 01, 2008, 09:07:58 AM

How anyone can call themselves a Richmond supporter and then try and sell the Collingwood story is beyond me.  :o
[/quote]
Totally agree, :clapping  Merely by being collingwood, it makes us better than them, it doesnt have to make sense, doesnt need to be backed up by facts...we just are! ;)
 :gotigers
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: cub on March 01, 2008, 09:29:38 AM
True it all comes down to premierships and on that count we don't win.
But if we are going back to around the time of the 'forgotten' war may as well chuck Melbourne into the equation as well ....  ROFLrealhard

And as for trying to interpret my original post ..... I was ROFLinhysterics @ a cretin individual saying Thomas is more exciting than LIDS ... ROFLtillheadfallsoff

If you go and watch any Skunks game that Richmond is not playing in - Well it speaks for itself really - ROFLiwouldn't watch a skunk game even if I had J Hawkins in the box with me ... well maybe 1 but I wouldn't be watching the match then would I .....

ROFLSkunkinthecloset  :rollin
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on March 01, 2008, 01:06:15 PM
well l watch alot of football at many levels & have a outlook on football in general other than just being a Richmond supporter who blanks everything out cause there team is the best when in real fact we raking in the wooden spoons while clubs play finals & then blame it on the rebuilding process which other clubs seem to go about year after year a rebuilding process that should have started when Wallace arrived not 3 years after the fact
l dont give a stuff what any of you think of me l been a member of Richmond before alot of you were born & l wear my colours even when attending other games & not ashamed to sit among a group of other club supporters & mingle as long as it aint Joffa & his wacko friends
l dont hawk around the club & players collecting autographs like some & selling it on ebay to make money to support themselves on the side :lol  :rollin
& if you think your correct when clearly the stats show over 100 years that the Skunks are a far more achieved club then us then you mentally wacko they have made more grand finals than our club so what if they won 1 in 50 years. how many Grand Finals have they played in since 1950 compared to us
the total is Collingwood 17 to Richmond 7 maybe that gets you away from the 1930's of Collingwood power days but also brings us into Richmonds power days yet they still out number us by 10 grand final appearances that clearly show the better club
you cant fight me on this one cause they are official figures not mine so there you go if you want to debate it more your wacko & simply cant see past your black & yellow & have no outlook on football in general  :whistle :whistle

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: 2JD on March 01, 2008, 01:10:41 PM
Having a look around here.........hmmmmm yep, we are at the ONE-EYED RICHMOND website :whistle
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on March 01, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
if you dont like the thread 2JD then skip it instead of being a DH
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: 2JD on March 01, 2008, 01:54:36 PM
I love the thread ;D you're funny :lol
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Moi on March 01, 2008, 02:25:57 PM
you cant fight me on this one cause they are official figures not mine so there you go if you want to debate it more your fooled & simply cant see past your black & yellow & have no outlook on football in general  :whistle :whistle
I can fight you on this because I DON'T WANT TO SEE PAST THE YELLOW AND BLACK.
No other club exists in my book
Jack's luv for the Bombers and yours the Pies, well good for both of you.
But it's only the Yellow and Black for me.
Always has been and always will be
And I don't need an overall outlook on the whole comp to be happy
Happy with what I've got
As far as I'm concerned, if the Pies had 100 premierships and we had none, the Tiges will always be the greatest club to me.
Cos it's in my blood and no amount of brainwashing could ever change that.

 :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Smokey on March 01, 2008, 03:08:20 PM
As far as I'm concerned, if the Pies had 100 premierships and we had none, the Tiges will always be the greatest club to me.
Cos it's in my blood and no amount of brainwashing could ever change that.
:clapping :gotigers :clapping
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on March 01, 2008, 04:29:21 PM
Since 1950 here are the facts Nobody can't lie about because they are the premierships that all teams strive for. Not runners ups not thirds not fourths not nothing else just premierships.

Adelaide   2
Brisbane/ Fitzroy  3
Cheating Lying Navy Blue Scumbuckets  8
COLLINGWOOD    3
Essendon  8
Fremantle 0
Geelong    3
Hawthorn  9
Melbourne 6
North Melb 4
Port Adelaide 1
RICHMOND   5
St Kilda 1
Sydney/ Sth Melbourne 1
West Coast Eagles 3
Footscray/ Westen Bulldogs 1

Now TM just to come in and clear a few things up champ, facts also state that we are the worst performed club since 1983 no one on this forum in their right mind can shy away from that and yes it hurts me and it hurts, but the Richmond Football Club is our family for better or worse and as members supporters followers it is our choice to support them going to the footy week in week out, reading the paper, coming on to the forum to make our comments and what not. I may admire other clubs for what they do or have done or what they are doing now but they are not my club and I care ONLY about the frustrating way we go about things how long it will take to rectify this frustration and field a team that will make the opposition shriek in fear. Yet despite these shortcomings I was born in 1974 and only experienced ultimate success when I was still knee high to a grasshopper and even though success has been fleeting which by no way is good enough for any one who has yellow and black in them there is no way I would change. It is loyalty. Most people would be loyal to their own blood before showing loyalty to someone else. Yes being the butt of jokes and having to sit through some of the crap served up over the years has been galling painful and yes embarassing but that is the anguish and joys of supporting a footy club. Would you rather be a Saint who have 11 years on us in the AFL have a competitive team with stars on every line that may come close but will ultimately fail because statistically they have won 1 flag in 100 years and have history against them as wll as a tendency to injure themselves with self inflicted wounds  also, or would you rather be a Magpie and have the full house every week as that is the experience they want to sell to the nuff nuffs each week as it is easier to promote Pies v Dogs at the Dome rather than the Pies winning the Grand Final? Not me. Or would you be a Carlscum supporter where just about every flag they have won except the Collingwood Grand Finals has had some sort of controversy belittling it. Now is that a way to live to turn a blind eye to misappropriation and embrace a hollow victory to fill a void in your life that would otherwise be empty?That's why 1982 hurts so so so much because the streaker virtually changed the game when we had momentum, yet it defined for them a back to back success and us a fall into the abyss. The contrasts could not be starker. However, I would never betray my footy club club. I LOVE THEM. Some things just should not be tampered with. You can change your house, car, clothes, spouse,nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation but you can never change your footy team. It just does not happen. All I hope is that a few of the boys at this great proud traditional and battling club of ours are a little green with envy of the Geelong's Brisbane's Port's, Swannies of this league and have a burning desire to emulate them and although we are black and yellow they play with no yellow in them.
I love my footy club but I will never ever let anyone get away with telling me that we are not the best club its all part of our character and that is something advertising and all this corporitisation can never dictate for us. If you want flashy lights and jingles go to the Pies but the substance will be lacking. After all we were nowhere from 1943-66 yet won 5 flags in 14 years. A handful of flags in the next 10 years will more than eclipse a generation of losing. I am sure most people on this forum will forgive the club if that took place and think differently in relation to our position in the pecking order of clubs.
RICHMOND FOREVER

And just a general question and off the top of your head as a test for everyone. Who swam second and third to Kieren Perkins in Barcelona 92 and Atlanta 96? See you may know the 2nd because he was an Aussie place getter but not the third. Winners are the ones who are really remembered not also rans. Collingwood can make all the finals series they like compared to us. Its flags that emulate you to hero worship not pf losses or gf losses.
Somewhere along the way Collingwood have got it wrong hence their mediocrity. :thumbsup
Football knowledge we all have to some sort of extent TM because we follow it and we love a club that competes in it . Some of us have more knowledge about footy than others. The application of this footy knowledge is what separates learned opinions from opinions that can be influenced from external surroundings. :thumbsup
I know who of the two footy knowledge categories I am. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on March 01, 2008, 04:53:46 PM
 :bow  :bow  :bow

After all we were nowhere from 1943-66 yet won 5 flags in 14 years. A handful of flags in the next 10 years will more than eclipse a generation of losing. I am sure most people on this forum will forgive the club if that took place and think differently in relation to our position in the pecking order of clubs.
:pray

RICHMOND FOREVER
You bet  :thumbsup  :gotigers

Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on March 01, 2008, 07:41:22 PM
Nice post HT74  :clapping
l hope your right & we do pull off a few premierships in the next 10 years cause l wont be around much longer
l maybe dead then from tiger torture
l still cant see us getting out of this rut until we can improve our skills by foot & hand & awareness
& someone has to teach Richo to handle the preasure of setshots & blockout the taunts or we going nowhere
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Francois Jackson on March 02, 2008, 01:14:07 AM
Nice post HT74  :clapping
l hope your right & we do pull off a few premierships in the next 10 years cause l wont be around much longer
l maybe dead then from tiger torture
l still cant see us getting out of this rut until we can improve our skills by foot & hand & awareness
& someone has to teach Richo to handle the preasure of setshots & blockout the taunts or we going nowhere

who cares about the pies 50 years ago or even 10 years ago. stuff them and their history..
one thing is right as we speak right now.
they r better coached and the players are better managed than ours.
really their list is pathetic. lets be honest its average at best and they had players missing last year and still made the 8. so i ask myself why can they do it and we cant?

answer is simple. terry wallace, kane johnson, brian royal are weak as pis. and are bringing down the rest of the team with them. They dont instill discipline and leadership into this team and win at all costs mentality. Until we see this fighting spririt weather we r playing at the punt road oval, g or subiaco we will be on the bottom.
its not always about winning, its about fighting the jumper and having the ticker every time u step foot on the field, and sadly our players lack this, with the exception of richo and a few others.

Title: Jumping at shadows (The Age)
Post by: one-eyed on March 02, 2008, 02:47:48 AM
The Age has changed its tune in a fortnight

Jumping at shadows
Peter Hanlon | March 1, 2008

Have the doubters made the call too early on Terry Wallace and his Tigers?

TIS the pre-season to be jolly, if you've won a game or two when they all said you'd be rubbish. 'Tis the pre-season to be worried, if you've seen a quarter of footy, your mob looks even slower than last year and you still haven't got a key forward. 'Tis the pre-season to be excited, if you've seen something in a rookie or two that will come in handy when someone does a knee in June.

'Tis the pre-season to be dismissive, if you've been belted first-up; the rules are a joke, we only care about playing the kids, it's all right as long as they stick to the program, it's all about being ready for round one. 'Tis the pre-season to be disheartened, if you're a Tiger. Again.

With every passing summer, the pre-season becomes more of a silly season. Supporters are starving; months have passed with only meagre scraps of drafts, split times and community camps to sate them. Then suddenly there's football being played again, and shadows are jumped at like sweets tossed from carnival floats.

Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/general/jumping-at-shadows/2008/03/01/1204227048471.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on March 02, 2008, 11:19:05 AM
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plans
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: mightytiges on March 02, 2008, 04:29:36 PM
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plans
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season

Tell that to Karen Lyon  ;).
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Moi on March 02, 2008, 04:41:11 PM
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plans
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season

:rollin
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: Tigermonk on March 02, 2008, 06:33:47 PM
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plans
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season

Tell that to Karen Lyon  ;).

never heard of the woman
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 02, 2008, 09:10:58 PM
The Age has changed its tune in a fortnight


Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/general/jumping-at-shadows/2008/03/01/1204227048471.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1


How does the song go again


I can see clearly now the rain has gone


 :gotigers :gotigers


"I can see clearly now the rain has gone, I can see all obstacles in my way, gone are the dark clouds that had me blind....   :gotigers


 :gotigers ;D
Title: Re: Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age
Post by: tiga on March 02, 2008, 10:16:07 PM
You know what...I have to admit that us winning a premiership for me is not the be all end all. I've been fortunate enough to personally experience four tiger premierships in my lifetime. Whilst I'd like nothing better than to see us win many more premierships whilst I'm alive, its the ride that I'm enjoying more so than the destination.
Every year, the tigers bring me enjoyment, from the speculation of draft day to the last game of the season. Glorious come from behind wins to painfull last minute defeats, participating with a great group of people on this forum, collecting tiger memorabilia and proudly wearing our colours. They are all part of the experience of being a passionate and loyal Tiger fan. Don't get me wrong, I take all our losses very hard but the following weekend I bounce back in the hope of another victory and every season I hold hope for finals footy.

As long as I have the Tigers to support, no matter what happens, my life will never be empty.

Here's a joke that for me sums up true tiger passion.

Mike, a mad Tiger fan went to the G to see a game between the Tigers and the Cats. From the outset we are being flogged at every contest and every goal against us was like a knife in Mike's heart.
In the end The Tigers lose by over 100 points. Mike feeling incredibly dejected heads off to the toilets, looks in the mirror and says this is the end for me, I've had enough. He pulls out a razorblade and slashes his wrists. At that very moment a mate of his pops his head into the toilets and says.."Hey Mike you up for a road trip to the Sydney game next week?" Quick as a flash Mike slaps his wrists together to stop the bleeding and says..."What time are you picking me up"  :lol