"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
Of course, to suggest that preseason form is in any way an accurate guide to a team’s home-and-away performance is fraught with danger.Yet Karen you based your whole article around us losing a practice match last weekend despite us winning a practice match this weekend ::) and you took "former player comments" second hand ;). I guess when you can't get the reaction you want from the Club itself you write a flimsy article based on innuendo to generate a reaction :sleep.
Few inside the football world are willing to write off the Tigers — or any team — before the season even starts. Publicly, a group of former Richmond players contacted by The Sunday Age this week were not prepared to criticise or even comment on their old team.
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations :whistle."supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.Richmond has a "Buddy" - we call him Richo - and look where that's got us!
Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations :whistle."supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.QuoteWould Tambling get a game at another club ?Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.
In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.
It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.
bingo.
"supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.
Would Tambling get a game at another club ?
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
ive seen enough of football to know tambling if he continues the way he is has been going then ill be convinced he is a dud by seasons end
something in me really thinks maybe its not the player, maybe its the development. If thats the case royal and the rest of his croons should go.
they are weak cu.nts. im sorry if that word offends but thats the RFC. weak as anything.
You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.
U know what ive heard it all before and maybe not just wallace should go, maybe the lot of them should go.
Do yourselves a favour and have a look at eagles players upper body development.
What is with us. seriously we have a deep problem in this year and what do we do. pick up Jordy(65kg;s)mcmahon.
Pathetic!!
we lack size in every department its not funny. apart from lids the rest of our senior players seem to have lost weight
Our recruiting requirements!!- If your under 70kg's. u have got the gig at Punt Road.
Laugh as u may it probably is true
We are weak and until this area changesd we will be seen as push overs by every team in the AFL
What I said is starring in Division 2 is different to starring in Division 1 or alike junior competitions such as the TAC Cup, SANFL or WAFL colts. You can't dispute that. It's a lower standard. That's why 95% of top 20 picks are taken from Division 1 let alone top 5. The only star I can think of that came from Div 2 in the past 10 years was Nick Riewoldt. Brennan and the Clarke brothers have hardly set the AFL alight. You would hope the decision to recruit Richie was based on far more than starring in one Div 2 U18 game.Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations :whistle."supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.QuoteWould Tambling get a game at another club ?Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.
In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.
The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
So it's the fault of lazy players who could but don't demand a higher standard of themselves :thumbsup.
It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.
bingo.
noooooooooooo Bingoooooooooooooooo lol Ha hahahahaha
What I said is starring in Division 2 is different to starring in Division 1 or alike junior competitions such as the TAC Cup, SANFL or WAFL colts. You can't dispute that. It's a lower standard. That's why 95% of top 20 picks are taken from Division 1 let alone top 5. The only star I can think of that came from Div 2 in the past 10 years was Nick Riewoldt. Brennan and the Clarke brothers have hardly set the AFL alight. You would hope the decision to recruit Richie was based on far more than starring in one Div 2 U18 game.Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations :whistle."supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.QuoteWould Tambling get a game at another club ?Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.
In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.
The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
Have another look. Moore is a tank. ???
You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.
I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.Didn't Thursfield have stress fractures in his back? How was he supposed to lift weights?
It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.
bingo.
noooooooooooo Bingoooooooooooooooo lol Ha hahahahaha
I can believe it (you told me this before btw Jack ;) ) but you would hope with more resources being put towards recruiting we now judge junior footballers on more than just starring in one game.What I said is starring in Division 2 is different to starring in Division 1 or alike junior competitions such as the TAC Cup, SANFL or WAFL colts. You can't dispute that. It's a lower standard. That's why 95% of top 20 picks are taken from Division 1 let alone top 5. The only star I can think of that came from Div 2 in the past 10 years was Nick Riewoldt. Brennan and the Clarke brothers have hardly set the AFL alight. You would hope the decision to recruit Richie was based on far more than starring in one Div 2 U18 game.Agree. You never hear any Griffen/Buddy comparisons. Oh that's right the doggies don't sell papers nor generate any en masse calling spree to radio stations :whistle."supporters still angry with the selection of Richard Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin in the 2004 draft."
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :banghead
The problem is this. I dont believe people should compare one to the other.QuoteWould Tambling get a game at another club ?Yet Foley, Thursty and Kingy (although he's older) can work their backsides off to come via the rookie list and become our best players.
Has Tambling delivered anything ?
Dont get me wrong, I watched Tambling play at Under18 level and was involved in the process to get him to Punt Road. He was a superstar when playing under 18 and it was an easy selection for the club to pick him up. Has he developed as a player ?, there is the question, I would think not.
Blingers was a star in U18 division 2 Jack; not division 1 as Lids was. Different standards of junior footy. I still think Richie has the talent but he needs to consistently attack the footy.
In any case one "wrong" decision at the draft table doesn't hurt a whole list. Geelong don't have a "Buddy" yet won the flag in a cakewalk.
The decision to pick Richard Tambling was sealed after his efforts in a game NT/Queensland ? or Allies or whatever versus the rest.
game was played at Princess Park, he was easily the best player in that match.
Whether he played in Division 1, 2 or whatever is irrelevant to the decision that was made. ::)
Can tell you the decision was made after this game, beleive me or not.
It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.
bingo.
noooooooooooo Bingoooooooooooooooo lol Ha hahahahaha
whata ya mean no bingo ... yes bingo ... we are pooh, our players dont care and we are a rabble
bingo, yes bingo, whether you like it or not its
BINGO time Jacko! ;D
Yep FF Thursty had stress fractures in his back for a time being.Have another look. Moore is a tank. ???
You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.Didn't Thursfield have stress fractures in his back? How was he supposed to lift weights?
It seems to me that in the end we have to many players who just dont care enough to succeed.
bingo.
noooooooooooo Bingoooooooooooooooo lol Ha hahahahaha
whata ya mean no bingo ... yes bingo ... we are pooh, our players dont care and we are a rabble
bingo, yes bingo, whether you like it or not its
BINGO time Jacko! ;D
I agree Ramps.
I just wanted to say, ""Noooooo Bingooooooo"" lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
What a pathetic piece of drivel but sadly one appearing right on queue after the reaction to last weeks glorified practice match result. The media live for (actually they lust after) the reaction of tiger supporters after a loss. And boy didn't we give them what they so desperately crave.
Funny thing is that once an article like this appears people seem to go into the super defensive mode of "why are they picking on me, why are they calling us negative" It is hysterical - really it is ;D
Have another look. Moore is a tank. ???
You have guys like moore, thursfield and tambling to name 3 of 15 that are so skinny that they get easily bowled over by any number of AFL players.I once spoke to greg miller and asked him about the size of our players and he fed me some bull poo line about sore backs, hence why they cant put on size, especially refferring to thursfield.Didn't Thursfield have stress fractures in his back? How was he supposed to lift weights?
Most of our "skinny" players have only been in the system for 3 years or less. The emphasis on building players up has only been since Wallace arrived. It doesn't happen overnight.
West Coast are years ahead and have the luxury of being able to develop players for 3 or 4 years before adding them to the senior side.
Very noble of you to concede. ;D
sorry i take it all back. i must have been so wrong....
Very noble of you to concede. ;D
sorry i take it all back. i must have been so wrong....
One person has stated they "totally agree" with you. If you send that person your opinion via pm you'll never have to worry about getting precious and resorting to crap like "u must be on something" when anyone disagrees with you or points out holes in your argument. :-*
Ok, now you want to deal with facts. Suits me.
accept the facts buddy we are a group of skinny push overs who every team loves to play mainly because of this reason and a few more.
Ok, now you want to deal with facts. Suits me.
accept the facts buddy we are a group of skinny push overs who every team loves to play mainly because of this reason and a few more.
We're a skinny side because we've got so many kids on the list, a lot of them in the senior side due to the lack of 24 to 27 year olds. Wallace has recruited 26 kids since becoming coach. You can't turn them all into hulks in 3 or less years.
Wallace commented on the lack of conditioning the players had when he took over. Players like Bowden, Hyde, Newman and Moore have noticeably bulked up since then.
Here's a fact. Thursfield had stress fractures in his back. This leads to another fact. Greg Miller was telling you the truth about Thursfield not being able to put on size due to a bad back.
u keep believing that pal wont u.....
......accept the facts buddy
matepal, buddy, mate..... you're a very friendly fellow, aren't you Daniel?
There was a development issue. Doubt you'd get an argument from anyone there. Certainly not from me.
mate there is a development issue at Punt road, i dont know whose fault it is but u can deny it all u want.
u keep believing that pal wont u.....
......accept the facts buddyQuote from: danielmatepal, buddy, mate..... you're a very friendly fellow, aren't you Daniel?
However, trying to argue in a logical manner with fishfinger is, for you, like stepping into the lion's den.
Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)". They can't even win a practice game.
u keep believing that pal wont u.....
......accept the facts buddyQuote from: danielmatepal, buddy, mate..... you're a very friendly fellow, aren't you Daniel?
However, trying to argue in a logical manner with fishfinger is, for you, like stepping into the lion's den.
ill argue with anyone on this forum dont u worry about that champ
Tambling will have a very good season this year. Very good. :thumbsup
Tambling will have a very good season this year. Very good. :thumbsup
On what basis ??
just a question, how the heck does someone play footy with stress fractures in his back?Another example is Birchall. He's no bigger than Thursty yet he's Hawthorn's main key defender because their midfield and forward lines are so potent. We don't have that luxury. Perhaps they also think if Thursty puts on too much bulk it'll put more stress on his knee.
does he still have stress fractures, or did he have them and has rcovered?
if his back has recovered, there is no reason why he cannot train with weights to put on muscle mass, if they say he cant gain weight due to stress fractures they are fos. if he had them, he would not be playing a collision sport such as afl.
now assuming his back is fine now, then he is right to tarin hard wih weights
butthey dont want him too, theywant him to stay as he is because he is not a body on body full back, he is a defeder that uses his closing speed, great reach and timing to spoil and defend. they fear if he baulks up he will lose his agility and speed , thus their is no point in him getting massive as power feds are a dying breed.
good footy players are smart footy players.
we have seen joel bowden own j brown a few times, now brown is much stronger and biggerbut joel knew how to play him and has done it well
we need bigger bodies in the guts, in the midfeild. guys who wont be pushed over and brushed aside so easily
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)". They can't even win a practice game.
We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.
We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
This is my take on things.
In any world we should have beaten a 1/2 strength st kilda.
why are tiger fans knocking tambling
he kicked 4 goals v the eagles in one quarter, buddy still has done that, and eff these comparisons with buddy they are different style of players, have different body types, one has his head screwed on his shoulders, the other has a screwed up head
tambling will be a champion, no doubt
why are tiger fans knocking tambling
he kicked 4 goals v the eagles in one quarter, buddy still has done that, and eff these comparisons with buddy they are different style of players, have different body types, one has his head screwed on his shoulders, the other has a screwed up head
tambling will be a champion, no doubt
u think so. look mate your right there different players but tambling just doesnt do enough.
he doesnt run anywhere near hard enough, doesnt look after his own players like others do, he seems to lack confidence whenever he goes near the ball.
i hope he does turn into a champion but i have seen too many like him just disappear into the wilderness.
another average year this year and he will soon be lost, like krackour
On what basis ??
On what basis ??
Watch and take notes.
The kid will finish top 5 in our B&F this year Jackstar Onassis.
And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)". They can't even win a practice game.
We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.
We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
This is my take on things.
In any world we should have beaten a 1/2 strength st kilda.
Not sure if you noticed Ox but a St Kilda side very similar to the one that beat us also just beat last years Premiers. Therefore going by your rationale, The Cats are destined to be at the bottom with us???. Carlton winning last year!! FLMFAOOOOOOOOOOO Says it all!! Come round one I'm sure you will see a very different tiger side to what we saw against the Saints. I watched Carlton against the Hawks and they are complete rabble!!
They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years ;D ;).And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)". They can't even win a practice game.
We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.
We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon
they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.
they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.
We smashed them late last year.
The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..
On what basis ??
Watch and take notes.
The kid will finish top 5 in our B&F this year Jackstar Onassis.
Don't want to sound to negative but....
Our skills are disgraceful
Overuse of handball
Shocking decision making
Gameplan???
This is a good example of why there shouldn't be 18 teams.
Lets kick around the boundary all night.
Surely we're not tanking already?
Embarassing
We are quite simply a VFL standard team.
Terrible terrible skills and decision making.
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20113&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
Karen Lyon must be busy at the moment to write the "Gloomy outlook on Royal Parade horizon" article :whistle
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You'll see Jackie Chan, you'll see..
Tambling will make those eyes of yours roll into the back of your head. :lol
Did you miss the link at the bottom of that post Jack? ;) It's from a Blues fan on one of their forums about the Hawks game. Sounds familar lol.Don't want to sound to negative but....
Our skills are disgraceful
Overuse of handball
Shocking decision making
Gameplan???
This is a good example of why there shouldn't be 18 teams.
Lets kick around the boundary all night.
Surely we're not tanking already?
Embarassing
We are quite simply a VFL standard team.
Terrible terrible skills and decision making.
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20113&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
Karen Lyon must be busy at the moment to write the "Gloomy outlook on Royal Parade horizon" article :whistle
Has MT changed his views ??? Or just taking the pee out of posters here ???
We'll see how the Pies go this year with only 12 players in that 22-27 prime age group (another six 28+ y.o.) and looking in from the outside light on for leadership now that Buckley and Clement have retired. I agree with Magic. A few injuries to key players and they could slide big time.
they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.
We smashed them late last year.
The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..
i know we smashed them, we always do.
all i wish is that we played similar to them. never give up attitude.
we have always been a weak side i dont know where we went wrong in that area.
most side exert a little pressure and we come crumbling down.
They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years ;D ;).And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)". They can't even win a practice game.
We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.
We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon
Seriously though, for all the premiership talk this year based on that one PF loss, the Pies still finished the H/A season with a 13-9 record with a low percentage for a finalist of 101%. Hardly premiership material. Sure they finished miles ahead of us on the ladder but given the cushy draw they get every year they are overrated and they lack the class needed to win a flag. Only Didak, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are their classy players. Most Magpies are hardworking plodders. Their best 22 was also a mature side too. Only 5 players in that PF were U23.
We'll see how the Pies go this year with only 12 players in that 22-27 prime age group (another six 28+ y.o.) and looking in from the outside light on for leadership now that Buckley and Clement have retired. I agree with Magic. A few injuries to key players and they could slide big time.
they r a tough unit and it kills me to say it but i love the way they go about their business and with the talent they have, or dont have its even more surprising.
We smashed them late last year.
The pies are ok but vulnerable IMO. Could slide big time this year..
i know we smashed them, we always do.
all i wish is that we played similar to them. never give up attitude.
we have always been a weak side i dont know where we went wrong in that area.
most side exert a little pressure and we come crumbling down.
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.
Hey TM, get that skunks supporting missus of yours to take your pants off and give em back to you. ;D ;)
ps Nathan Brown.
& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.
its not about that champ its just admiring how players at one club play for each other and never give up.
we use them as an example because its true, they never give up doesn't matter if they are playing in the west or here where as we might as well be 10 goals behind before a ball is bounced thats how much of a chance we have when we play eagles or adelaide over there.
Its all about attitude and our players haven't got that win at all costs mentality and to be honest i dont know where its going to come from.
Anyone who knows their VFL/AFL history would know that despite being crap for the past 27 years we still have won 5 times as many flags as the Pies have in the past 50 years ;) and they only won that one because Essendon was forced to wait 3 weeks for the finals and lost all their momentum and form. The name of the game is to win flags!They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years ;D ;).And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)". They can't even win a practice game.
We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.
We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.
Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon
Seriously though, for all the premiership talk this year based on that one PF loss, the Pies still finished the H/A season with a 13-9 record with a low percentage for a finalist of 101%. Hardly premiership material. Sure they finished miles ahead of us on the ladder but given the cushy draw they get every year they are overrated and they lack the class needed to win a flag. Only Didak, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are their classy players. Most Magpies are hardworking plodders. Their best 22 was also a mature side too. Only 5 players in that PF were U23.
Collingwood has pooh on Richmond as a club & acheivements since we won our last grand final
Collingwood clearly outclasses us on overall acheivements over its history
Collingwood clearly out perform us as a club & get the big games they want because they are managed very well & market well everyone wants to play for them but Richmond cant attract big name players
There coached better than us & thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
They had many injuries last year on many high profile players & yet still manage to play finals which means there kids are stepping up while we use the excuse of we playing kids were rebuilding bla bla bla same old lame excuses
if they didnot go into that Prem final with injuries they would have gotten over Geelong & won last years premiership thank god they didnot win
They also made us look very stupid last year after being in a winning position last year to crumble like we always do & yes we won the next time round but we got the spoon remember so that gives us NO BRAGGING RIGHTS
We simply got 1 game wonders playing for us who cant string several good games together let alone win any of them & our youngsters are so under developed AFTER ARRIVING AT TIGERLAND it stands out if anyone cant see that they know pooh about the development of football
so when you try to defend Richmond as a acheived club against Collingwood you need to read some VFL/AFL history there miles in front of us
& to top it all off the wooden spoons are flying into our cabinets much quicker than Collingwood so read into that :lol
Anyone who knows their VFL/AFL history would know that despite being crap for the past 27 years we still have won 5 times as many flags as the Pies have in the past 50 years ;) and they only won that one because Essendon was forced to wait 3 weeks for the finals and lost all their momentum and form. The name of the game is to win flags!
Lids' form is comparable with Pendlebury and Thomas and he doesn't have the luxury of playing with an experienced line-up around him (only 5 Pies were U23 in that PF). So the opposition put their number 1 tagger on Pendlebury and Thomas do they! (I'm a fan of Pendelbury too btw)
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2007&Compare=Go&PlayerName1=&PlayerName2=Dale+Thomas&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=1529%2C1656%2C
Plus the only way they got Thomas and Pendlebury was to finish 15th in 2005 with just 3 wins. They didn't make the finals between 1995-2001 where they finished bottom 4 most of those years including a wooden spoon in 1999. Didn't make the finals either in 2004-5. Got spanked out by the Doggies in the first week of 2006. All this with a soft draw too and minimal travelling ::). Sure say we've be embarrassing compared to Essendon, North and many of the interstate sides but Collingwood! Please!
When was the last time the Pies attracted a big name ....? They missed out on Browny, Gehrig, Stevens, Judd and a heap of others despite being favourites to gain their services and throwing $$$ at them.
As for injuries - what injuries? Buckley, Clement and Licuria have retired as they were ion their last legs so they won't get them back this year. Lose a PF by 5 points and all of a sudden Fraser is a champion ???. They can't decide on a new captain because they can't guarantee that Fraser and Maxwell will play ;). They had 18 players play 17 or more games in 2007 and all were in their best 22. We had 14 play 17 or more which didn't include Simmo, Browny, Cogs and Thursty.
As for Bragging Rights - a 15 to 7 head-to-head record since 1994 is nothing short of owning them. The only time we haven't beaten them in a year in that time was 2003. We also lead on head-to-head since 1980 ;).
Anyway as I said let's see how they go this year :cheers. Only Pie fans are stupid to believe the crap coming out of that club (tradition :rollin).
Superb Analysis MT,
Did not let press hype or forum perception & emotion overwhelm the facts.
Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).
Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).If we win in rounds 1 & 3 I'll be a happy boy :thumbsup.
If we win in rounds 1 & 3 I'll be a happy boy :thumbsup.
MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.
Enjoy :thumbsup
Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood
1994 Round 12
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood 4 12 36
1995 Round 6 Round 21
Scumwood 12 10 82 Richmond 14 25 109
Richmond 13 16 94 Scumwood 7 13 55
1996 Round 13
Scumwood 10 9 69
Richmond 14 8 92
1997 Round 11
Scumwood 10 11 71
Richmond 11 11 77
1998 Round 4 Round 19
Scumwood 20 13 133 Richmond 12 14 86
Richmond 12 16 88 Scumwood 9 13 67
1999 Round 4 Round 19
Scumwood 14 12 96 Richmond 10 19 79
Richmond 22 14 146 Scumwood 16 16 112
2000 Round 9
Richmond 15 12 102
Scumwood 7 12 54
2001 Round 4 Round 18
Scumwood 10 11 71 Richmond 10 11 71
Richmond 13 8 86 Scumwood 6 15 51
2002 Round 1 Round 16
Richmond 24 11 155 Scumwood 13 11 89
Scumwood 18 10 118 Richmond 7 7 49
2003 Round 1 Round 16
Scumwood 13 16 94 Richmond 9 8 62
Richmond 8 18 66 Scumwood 20 11 131
2004 Round 1 Round 18
Richmond 14 13 97 Scumwood 15 13 103
Scumwood 8 9 57 Richmond 14 14 98
2005 Round 8
Scumwood 8 10 58
Richmond 13 15 93
2006 Round 13
Richmond 13 14 92
Scumwood 6 9 45
2007
Round 3 Round 19
Scumwood 17 13 115 Richmond 18 8 116
Richmond 13 12 90 Scumwood 14 12 96
Won Lost Drawn PF PA %
Richmond 15 7 - 2050 1803 113.69
Scumwood 7 15 - 1803 2050 87.95
your VFL/AFL history is very short 50 years :rollin :rollinSorry I live in the modern era TM since tv was invented and I can watch our last 5 premierships on DVD :lol.
l already stated in this thread they get beaten by us so l dont know why you trouble yourself you forgot to mention Richmond never goes on with it after they beat Collingwood cause they fall in a heapThe Pies have played in 4 finals series in the past 13 years compared to our two. Hardly something to boast about for either club.
l noticed you didnot mention the wooden spoon tally which is ??? l thought being so good with stats you might post that l'm surprisedBecause spoons these days mean nothing except an early pick and possible priority pick. It doesn't have the stigma it use to before the draft was introduced. Under the stupid current draft system it's better to finish last than 9th.
Yes Collingwood did have poor seasons & drafted Thomas & Pendlebury & they go on with it & have them playing finals.No we traded away most of our early picks prior to 2004 for recycled players from other clubs. Mostly duds too. Count the players still on our list from 5 years ago. Not many eh! That's why we are crap. The Hawks and Pies had just 5 youngsters (U23) playing most games last year compared to our 11. The Roos also have an experienced list as for financial reasons they can't go for youth and bottom out (they were flogged in two finals btw). So Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Campbell, Brown, Croad, Boyle, Osbourne, Sewell (Clarke and Williams were injured) all finally hitting their prime age at the same time after 6-7 years on their list had nothing to do with Hawthorn's rise last year! How many of those did Clarkson recruit .... ummm none. Where's our prime age core group to make up most of our team ... oh that's right we don't have one ::) apart from Petts, Newy and Cogs (injured since 2006).
we get low draft picks most years & dont go anywhere & yet Deledio & Tambling have done nothing compared to Franklin, Roughead & Lewis at Hawthorn who are playing finals so young
If you go through your injured players for the skunks last year you will find others players you forgot to mention maybe you dont know them all :lol
The mere fact that blinds you is that Richmond are so under developed & behind the other clubs you refuse to see it & dream there going to turn into something overnight with shocking skills which have not improved since before Frawley which no-one can denieI never said Richmond wasn't behind other clubs. We're in another universe behind Geelong, Hawthorn and the really talented lists. You chose Collingwood as an example of a success on-field club. I beg to differ and have shown why. A 13-9 record last year is middle-of-the-road form for any club let alone one that is favoured over everyone else by the draw. I wish we could have only 4 interstate trips and 10 games in a row in Melbourne to finish the season ::).
Everyone knows l hate Collingwood l use them as a example which l know peees you off but l do enjoy watching most of there games live because they produce good football & still got to the finals without there main backliners & old at that
oh no Presti broken down tonight get the band-aids out
MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,My personal favs. Cheers HT74 :cheers :thumbsup
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.
Enjoy :thumbsup
Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood
1994 Round 12
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood 4 12 36
2000 Round 9
Richmond 15 12 102
Scumwood 7 12 54
2006 Round 13
Richmond 13 14 92
Scumwood 6 9 45
2007 Round 19
Richmond 18 8 116
Scumwood 14 12 96
Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons
Collingwood Finals 65, Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond Finals 34, Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers 8, Wooden Spoons 6,
Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons
Collingwood Finals 65, Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond Finals 34, Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers 8, Wooden Spoons 6,
Hmmmm..
Collingwood = 35 Grand finals for 12 wins = 34.2% success rate on that front
Richmond = 21 Grand Finals for 10 wins = 47.6% success rate
:whistle :whistle
The numbers don't lie ;D
ok seeing you put your stats up & say that Collingwood been in the league longer l will even it up for youAll that proves is Collingwood are chokers :rollin.
in fairness of both clubs playing since 1908 under the same league & rules
Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons
Collingwood Finals 65, Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond Finals 34, Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers 8, Wooden Spoons 6,
you say there not much difference but league records clearly state you wrong
they have nearly doubled our finals appearance & been runnersup double amount of times & finished on top 6 seasons more & Richmond triple them in wooden spoons
this clearly shows Collingwood over the last 100 years is a more successful club
as the judge would say Case dismissed :thumbsup
l give up like talking to a brick
Collingwood & Richmond in the last 100 seasons
Collingwood Finals 65, Premiers 12, Runners up 23, Minor Premiers 14, Wooden Spoons 2,
Richmond Finals 34, Premiers 10, Runners up 11, Minor Premiers 8, Wooden Spoons 6,
if you call that even over 100 years your all stuffed up
Collingwood in History since 1897
Collingwood Finals 76, Premiers 14, Runners up 25, Minor Premiers 17, Wooden Spoons 2,
Collingwood, love them or hate them, they are a better club than the RFCThank you Eddie :rollin
Game over
MT wins
:cheers
Game over
MT wins
:cheers
mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh
Whats wrong 65, variety is the spice of life!
Game over
MT wins
:cheers
mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh
Everything is relative.
My wife is the best woman I have had in the sack for the last 30 years.
Mind she is the only one I have had...
:cheers
:thumbsup
l dont know why you mention 1930 its got nothing to do with itThe 1930s was the last time the Pies were a true power on-field. They've basically done sweet bugger all since.
Brilliant post HT74 :bow :clappingI'll second that. :clapping Well done HT - you nailed the demographic of their supporter base (might explain something about the few suspects on here who are trying to expound the virtues of that club)! How anyone can call themselves a Richmond supporter and then try and sell the Collingwood story is beyond me. :o
Whats wrong 65, variety is the spice of life!
Game over
MT wins
:cheers
mt wins nothing equal years they are far more superior club your blind dh
Everything is relative.
My wife is the best woman I have had in the sack for the last 30 years.
Mind she is the only one I have had...
:cheers
:thumbsup
Life is all about loyalty.In relationships AND football clubs.
:cheers
How anyone can call themselves a Richmond supporter and then try and sell the Collingwood story is beyond me. :o
you cant fight me on this one cause they are official figures not mine so there you go if you want to debate it more your fooled & simply cant see past your black & yellow & have no outlook on football in general :whistle :whistleI can fight you on this because I DON'T WANT TO SEE PAST THE YELLOW AND BLACK.
As far as I'm concerned, if the Pies had 100 premierships and we had none, the Tiges will always be the greatest club to me.:clapping :gotigers :clapping
Cos it's in my blood and no amount of brainwashing could ever change that.
After all we were nowhere from 1943-66 yet won 5 flags in 14 years. A handful of flags in the next 10 years will more than eclipse a generation of losing. I am sure most people on this forum will forgive the club if that took place and think differently in relation to our position in the pecking order of clubs.:pray
RICHMOND FOREVERYou bet :thumbsup :gotigers
Nice post HT74 :clapping
l hope your right & we do pull off a few premierships in the next 10 years cause l wont be around much longer
l maybe dead then from tiger torture
l still cant see us getting out of this rut until we can improve our skills by foot & hand & awareness
& someone has to teach Richo to handle the preasure of setshots & blockout the taunts or we going nowhere
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plansTell that to Karen Lyon ;).
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plans:rollin
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season
Practices matches are just that Practice & getting a feel trying out game plansTell that to Karen Lyon ;).
yes it good to get excited about but all clubs these days save it for the premiership season
The Age has changed its tune in a fortnight
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