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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on July 03, 2011, 05:59:05 PM
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
13. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum)
13 departures.
I'd keep Tuck for one more year. Surprisingly our midfield hasn't had many injuries. With some bad luck we could have had Martin do a hammy and Cotchin get suspended and all of a sudden Tuck becomes our best midfielder. Needs to stay.
Wouldn't bother with this Miller experiment any longer. I'd give Post a decent crack, it should have happened this year, but it hasn't so we keep Post for another year before making a call on him. Plus Griffiths hopefully will be fit for a full year in 2012.
Trengove replaces Graham as the ruckman on the list.
Would also scout the globe for a good state league ruckman under 25.
The rest are all pretty straight forward.
Nason, Connors and Farmer as 23 yo will probably survive. Connors the most likely as Nason and Farmer aren't AFL standard and Connors teases that he may be, but has gone walk about.
Taylor, have always defended the kid cause of his talent and potential but would rather delist him and pick up Mitch Thorpe. Would gaurentee someone who wants to play the game and give a decent crack, and may be a better player.
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Thorpe?? You don't mean Thorp from Tassie? That stuffwit has no place playing for anyone other than South Launnie
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo) Agree
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove We need to try for less
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo) Agree
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo) Agree
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo) Try for trade first
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo) As above
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round) Agree
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo) Agree
9. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo) Agree
10. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo) We will need insurance, unfortunately we need him for another season
11. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo) Agree
12. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum) Agree
12 departures.
I'd keep Tuck for one more year. Surprisingly our midfield hasn't had many injuries. With some bad luck we could have had Martin do a hammy and Cotchin get suspended and all of a sudden Tuck becomes our best midfielder. Needs to stay. I doubt he will want to stay!
Wouldn't bother with this Miller experiment any longer. I'd give Post a decent crack, it should have happened this year, but it hasn't so we keep Post for another year before making a call on him. Plus Griffiths hopefully will be fit for a full year in 2012. Agree
Trengove replaces Graham as the ruckman on the list.
Would also scout the globe for a good state league ruckman under 25. Trengove is a KPP Backman he is not the answer in our ruck
The rest are all pretty straight forward.
Nason, Connors and Farmer as 23 yo will probably survive. Connors the most likely as Nason and Farmer aren't AFL standard and Connors teases that he may be, but has gone walk about. Agree
Taylor, have always defended the kid cause of his talent and potential but would rather delist him and pick up Mitch Thorpe. Would gaurentee someone who wants to play the game and give a decent crack, and may be a better player.
The only thing I could add to that is we need a MATURE big bodied Ruckman Hill, McKintosh ect should be our targets...
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Thorpe?? You don't mean Thorp from Tassie? That effwit has no place playing for anyone other than South Launnie
Its irrelevant to the topic, the point was a VFL forward would atleast give us an option on the list to develop where as Taylor is chillin' out up north.
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Should have said a VFL forward then Pope, not the biggest wanker to have ever been drafted. He is playing where he belongs now anyway.
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Yep, I think Taylor has pushed his stuffing luck one step too far this time, get rid of him, whoever gets him, half your rotten luck.
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Didnt take long for the execution procession...
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Didnt take long for the execution procession...
Seasons getting on and the thread would have appeared any week regardless, the cold hard truth is we still have to make some very big cut's from the list and unfortunately there aren't to many players that will be immune to the process!
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Taylor has had a good go imo, he is taking the pee now.
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I would agree with most on that list. Edwards in particular, he will fit in well with Schulz, Trengove in return would be an excellent trade.
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
9. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
10. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
11. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
12. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum)
12 departures.
I'd keep Tuck for one more year. Surprisingly our midfield hasn't had many injuries. With some bad luck we could have had Martin do a hammy and Cotchin get suspended and all of a sudden Tuck becomes our best midfielder. Needs to stay.
Wouldn't bother with this Miller experiment any longer. I'd give Post a decent crack, it should have happened this year, but it hasn't so we keep Post for another year before making a call on him. Plus Griffiths hopefully will be fit for a full year in 2012.
Trengove replaces Graham as the ruckman on the list.
Would also scout the globe for a good state league ruckman under 25.
The rest are all pretty straight forward.
Nason, Connors and Farmer as 23 yo will probably survive. Connors the most likely as Nason and Farmer aren't AFL standard and Connors teases that he may be, but has gone walk about.
Taylor, have always defended the kid cause of his talent and potential but would rather delist him and pick up Mitch Thorpe. Would gaurentee someone who wants to play the game and give a decent crack, and may be a better player.
The number of changes at the end of year will depend on how many picks we have as well as contractual situations. 12 changes is a lot in a compromised draft where decent picks are a premium. If we finish say 13th then we'll most likely have 4 National picks, 1 PSD pick, then add a trade or two, plus say 4 rookies being cut. So that's 11 changes at the most.
From our Contracts List (below) you could see Thursty, Morton, Taylor and maybe 1-2 out of Farmer, Nason and Webberley being cut from the senior list and Hicks, Westhoff, Miller and Hislop cut from the rookie list. We'll need to trade to offload any more and most of those we'd like to see the back of have no trade value. I could only see a Jackson or possibly Edwards earning us a pick in return. No way would Port accept a trade of Edwards for Trengove btw. As others have said Trengove isn't a ruckman either.
2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Grimes, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Rance, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
2012: Batchelor, Connors, Deledio, Derickx, Edwards, Foley, Gourdis, Graham, Helbig, Houli, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Tuck, Vickery, White
2013: Conca, Cotchin, Grigg, Martin, Riewoldt
Rookies:
Jamie O'Reilly (international rookie - signed until end of 2011)
Robert Hicks (2nd year rookie)
Pat Contin (2nd year rookie)
Nick Westhoff (2nd year rookie)
Ben Jakobi (1st year rookie)
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 1st year)
Tom Hislop (1st year as a rookie)
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I would agree with most on that list. Edwards in particular, he will fit in well with Schulz, Trengove in return would be an excellent trade.
hey leave the Sarge out of this. bloke has 55 goals from 25 games at port. he can play. sick of trading with Port...Farmer and Nason for Schulz cracker of a deal LMFAO
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Dan Jackson should be 1st on it IMHO.
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I would agree with most on that list. Edwards in particular, he will fit in well with Schulz, Trengove in return would be an excellent trade.
hey leave the Sarge out of this. bloke has 55 goals from 25 games at port. he can play. sick of trading with Port...Farmer and Nason for Schulz cracker of a deal LMFAO
:thumbsup
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Dan Jackson should be 1st on it IMHO.
I agree Ramps. For a player with 8 years in the system behind him and apparently very intelligent off-field, Jacko too often slows attacking plays holding the ball up because he fails to spot the best first option quickly (like say Cotch can) and Jacko all to readily wants to handball off as first option instead of kick (probably because his footskills are inconsistent). In trades you may have to give up someone another club may be interested in to get what you want/need. Jacko is one who would at least have some decent trade currency.
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1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo) Agree
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove We need to try for less
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo) Agree
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo) Agree
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo) Try for trade first
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo) As above
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round) Agree
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo) Agree
9. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo) Agree
10. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo) We will need insurance, unfortunately we need him for another season
11. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo) Agree
12. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum) Agree
Double agree
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According to Nathan Brown Blake is out of contract this year and is regarded as a good tap ruckman. He prefers Blake over Trengove
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Browny....
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Blake is about to be delisted
stuff me stuff me stuff me :moi
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I reckon nearly every single club has a 2nd string ruckman that would come in and take our 1st position.
Jonathon Griffen from Freo looks good and is behind Sandilands. Is young too.
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Jonathon Griffen from Freo looks good and is behind Sandilands. Is young too.
And left Adelaide to go back to WA for personal reasons. I doubt you would get him to come to Victoria.....
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Jonathon Griffen from Freo looks good and is behind Sandilands. Is young too.
And left Adelaide to go back to WA for personal reasons. I doubt you would get him to come to Victoria.....
Yeah shame.
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Agree with most of that list.For me to many players on our list have bad skills and turn it over.We looked like we were going forward on this ,but last 3 or 4 games we have gone backwards.Unless this is fixed we cant go forward.
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Dan Jackson should be 1st on it IMHO.
Agree with this he kills us with his disposal and takes so long to make a decsion.Browne the same only handballs cause he cant kick.Add Mcguane ,Hislop,and Grigg at times to.
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If Browne plays this week then hardwick is stuffen kidding us
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Can't delist Daniel Connors as some clown signed him up for another 2 years
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Shane Edwards is the first I would trade then of nothing DELIST!
Tomas Hislop is that useless that playing him is disgraceful!
Mitch Farmer, back, forward, back, forward? play him in one position. I would DELIST him! Not going to be any good.
McGuane, trade if can't DELIST! This guy has gone backwards! Lost his confidence and mangral, can not dispose the football, GONE!
Thursfield, trade or delist.
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I would rather go in with no ruckman than trade for Blake.
I don't care if the club spin it Premiership Ruckman whatever.
Blake is in the ilk of Graham and Browne. NO
I'm not sold on Hamish with all his injuries either.
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i've lost my mangral
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Shane Edwards is the first I would trade then of nothing DELIST!
Tomas Hislop is that useless that playing him is disgraceful!
Mitch Farmer, back, forward, back, forward? play him in one position. I would DELIST him! Not going to be any good.
McGuane, trade if can't DELIST! This guy has gone backwards! Lost his confidence and mangral, can not dispose the football, GONE!
Thursfield, trade or delist.
Hislop is a small Browne.
Sorry to both,but.........
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What do people think of trading McGuane for a pigeon sandwhich, and a 2nd hand matress?
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What sort of pigeon?
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Out of the players quoted, we wouldn't get squat for any of them.
We tried to trade Tuck no-one wanted him.
Tried to trade Patto no-one wanted him and Saints picked him up, same with Polo.
We are the Geelong of the late 90's. "Never touch a recycled Richmond player".
We have to delist most of them.
Just bring in some kids, I'll put up with big losses with an Under-21 side.
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Those who MAY have currency IMHO McGuane Edwards Connors
Those who will have currency IMHO Jackson Foley Morton
Those who won't have currency and won't be on the list next season IMHO Thursfield, Miller,Tuck,Browne
Those who may be retained or may not but are on thin ice, Farmer, Nason, Gourdis, White, Post, Webberley and Moore depending on his injury if it is career threatening or not.
Somehow we need a ruckman a KPP Backman and a heap of mids to replace the above whether by draft or trade.
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What sort of pidgeon?
Oriental fantail in ranch sauce
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
13. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
Must happen.
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Edwards MUST go, we can't keep kidding ourselves that we have a future shot at finals with players like him.
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Wed be lucky to get a worn down urine cake for Jackson...
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Wed be lucky to get a worn down urine cake for Jackson...
Yellow would be an upgrade.
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
13. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
Must happen.
I'd go Jacko for Trengove Pope. Port need leaders and the way we have groomed him as a public speaker and such would fit in perfectly at Alberton. Throw in Thursty or McGuane to sweeten the deal.
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The rebuild is not over need some more quality kids and delist guys not up to it.In a way it may be a blessing in disguise what's happened so football panel realises the reality and who's not up to it.
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
13. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
Must happen.
Pretty correct list IMHO.
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Edwards MUST go, we can't keep kidding ourselves that we have a future shot at finals with players like him.
He is making it very tough to defend him WAT. His disposal errors cost us goals and momentum almost every game.
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Edwards did some great stuff only to stuff it up instantly with a rushed disposal so I am NOT gonna jump on the poo can Edwards wagon here, ill point to others who turned it around like King. Edwards has got some talent but he needs to clean up a few things to complete his game. His sideways intercept mark was magnificent yes, he muffed it kicking straight back to an bummer because he didn't think it through but he does have ability and I think he can turn it around. You cannot just pick out all the negatives and ignore all the positives and say nope no good because if you do, every kid who comes to the club would be chucked out, no one comes as a ready made package without flaws. Some come with more than others.
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Edwards did some great stuff only to stuff it up instantly with a rushed disposal so I am NOT gonna jump on the poo can Edwards wagon here, ill point to others who turned it around like King. Edwards has got some talent but he needs to clean up a few things to complete his game. His sideways intercept mark was magnificent yes, he muffed it kicking straight back to an bummer because he didn't think it through but he does have ability and I think he can turn it around. You cannot just pick out all the negatives and ignore all the positives and say nope no good because if you do, every kid who comes to the club would be chucked out, no one comes as a ready made package without flaws. Some come with more than others.
Will probably survive.
In a similar boat to King and Nahas last season that they survived only because there were 7-10 worst players than them.
Luckily they have had above their average seasons.
We have 2 options, hoping Edwards comes on like Nahas and King seasons or trade him for his trade currency that will drop to nothing if he has another year like this year.
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Edwards did some great stuff only to stuff it up instantly with a rushed disposal so I am NOT gonna jump on the poo can Edwards wagon here, ill point to others who turned it around like King. Edwards has got some talent but he needs to clean up a few things to complete his game. His sideways intercept mark was magnificent yes, he muffed it kicking straight back to an bummer because he didn't think it through but he does have ability and I think he can turn it around. You cannot just pick out all the negatives and ignore all the positives and say nope no good because if you do, every kid who comes to the club would be chucked out, no one comes as a ready made package without flaws. Some come with more than others.
Agree but Edwards isn't a kid
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Would be looking to trade Connors, Nahas, Jackson, Maguane, Morton, Edwards, Thursfield for picks or 17 y/o's.
Some of those will just have to be delisted. I would want some decent compensation for Morton because i still harbor hopes that he can become a handy mid.
Still some serious list pruning to be done at Punt Road.
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Remember we can't delist players who are contracted beyond this year; you can only try and trade them.
Going by our contracts list that includes guys like Connors, Edwards and McGuane. We also have Tuck contracted beyond this year in our list but apparently he has a clause in his contract that if he doesn't play 15 AFL-games in 2011 (which he won't) then he can be cut.
Contracts List:
2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Grimes, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Rance, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
2012: Batchelor, Connors, Deledio, Derickx, Edwards, Foley, Gourdis, Graham, Helbig, Houli, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Tuck, Vickery, White
2013: Conca, Cotchin, Grigg, Martin, Riewoldt
Rookies:
Jamie O'Reilly (international rookie - signed until end of 2011)
Robert Hicks (2nd year rookie)
Pat Contin (2nd year rookie)
Nick Westhoff (2nd year rookie)
Ben Jakobi (1st year rookie)
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 1st year)
Tom Hislop (1st year as a rookie)
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2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Grimes, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Rance, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
Rookies:
Jamie O'Reilly (international rookie - signed until end of 2011)
Robert Hicks (2nd year rookie)
Pat Contin (2nd year rookie)
Nick Westhoff (2nd year rookie)
Ben Jakobi (1st year rookie)
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 1st year)
Tom Hislop (1st year as a rookie)
There's nine changes I would make via trade/delisting.
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If we land a ruckman we may as well pee Browne RIGHT off as well. No use carrying him AND gus AND Derrickx, if he's not up to it. Would rather put TV in the ruck and play post and grif to help out
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For me it looks like this, either trade or delist-
Contracts List:
2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Grimes, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Rance, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
2012: Batchelor, Connors, Deledio, Derickx, Edwards, Foley, Gourdis, Graham, Helbig, Houli, MacDonald, McGuane, Moore, Post, Tuck, Vickery, White
2013: Conca, Cotchin, Grigg, Martin, Riewoldt
Rookies:
Jamie O'Reilly (international rookie - signed until end of 2011)
Robert Hicks (2nd year rookie)Pat Contin (2nd year rookie)
Nick Westhoff (2nd year rookie)
Ben Jakobi (1st year rookie)
Brad Miller (mature rookie - 1st year)
Tom Hislop (1st year as a rookie)
That's seven from the senior list and three rookies. That's not to say i would not entertain other trades but these are definites for me.
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If we land a ruckman we may as well pee Browne RIGHT off as well. No use carrying him AND gus AND Derrickx, if he's not up to it. Would rather put TV in the ruck and play post and grif to help out
Good point, pee one of them off, so thats eight off the senior list for me.
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If we land a ruckman we may as well pee Browne RIGHT off as well. No use carrying him AND gus AND Derrickx, if he's not up to it. Would rather put TV in the ruck and play post and grif to help out
pee Graham off before Browne. FFS. just sack all our ruckman and bring back Staff and Gale
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pee like a powerful 'orse. pee them up against the wall. Bring back Charles in Charge and Strawbs O'Dwyer.
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pee like a powerful 'orse. pee them up against the wall. Bring back Charles in Charge and Strawbs O'Dwyer.
While were at it get Robert Schaefer and Ty Esler back also. That way when Esler and Vickery go into the ruck we can call them the Twin Tyers. Le hahaha. :lol :rollin :lol
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:santa
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Club has to get fair dinkum now. Can't keep crossing our fingers with some players and hold on to them for too long.
Anyone under 22 is safe.
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Jackson Trengove
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
13. Delist - Troy Taylor (Just gotta get fair dinkum)
13 departures.
I'd keep Tuck for one more year. Surprisingly our midfield hasn't had many injuries. With some bad luck we could have had Martin do a hammy and Cotchin get suspended and all of a sudden Tuck becomes our best midfielder. Needs to stay.
Wouldn't bother with this Miller experiment any longer. I'd give Post a decent crack, it should have happened this year, but it hasn't so we keep Post for another year before making a call on him. Plus Griffiths hopefully will be fit for a full year in 2012.
Trengove replaces Graham as the ruckman on the list.
Would also scout the globe for a good state league ruckman under 25.
The rest are all pretty straight forward.
Nason, Connors and Farmer as 23 yo will probably survive. Connors the most likely as Nason and Farmer aren't AFL standard and Connors teases that he may be, but has gone walk about.
Taylor, have always defended the kid cause of his talent and potential but would rather delist him and pick up Mitch Thorpe. Would gaurentee someone who wants to play the game and give a decent crack, and may be a better player.
Nothing has changed.
Even if some of these guys are contracted surely GWS would take all of them for pick 80+.
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Only just caught up with the edited posts. LMAO @ editing " p.i.s.s"
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edit: haha. bring back staff
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imo its not just about poor performers but about balancing out the list.i think first and foremost the players most in the gun are those types we have an abundance of.
an example is say medium defenders. we have connors, dea, deledio, conca, jakobi, batchelor, orielly, and newman.
jakobi is a first yr rookie and has to be safe. deledio conca and batchelor are also safe. a lack of experience in the entire team would suggest newman is safe,but a factor is his age personally id move him out of defense into another role. that would leave connors orielly and dea in the gun. imo 2 of these types are superfluous to needs.personally i would keep dea. connors, has had how many yrs 5. hes not really established himself and has many pulling their hair out. if possible id give orielly another season but age and his background sort of work against him even though hes an experiment.
so connors is one up for trade delist imo.if we do get rid of him we do not have to invest in a medium defender we can target another area of structure with his replacement.
an area we are really low on numbers in is small defenders.we certainly dont have a lock down small defender. we have just farmer and webberley if we delist them we must look for their replacements well at least one replacement anyway. fortunately we can replace the small defender with a medium sized defender this is the way most clubs have gone anyway.to me both farmer and webberley are players and types we can cover for.
another area we are deficient in is medium forwards we have two genuine medium forwards morton and macdonald and i dont have high hopes for either.but there is a case to keep both atm the lack of this type says so. surely we will target this type at the draft.
anyway i think people get what im saying list balance age performance contracts all determine who we delist and who we actually draft.
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Newman needs to play in F50.
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connors seems to have talent and could be worth keeping another preseason to see if he comes good. The
irishman is a good player and worth keeping. Dea is both young and a project player.
I would look to delist or trade if we can 7/8 from today's geelong game. And about 17 from the list over next couple years looking at the Jackson. White. Edwards. Types.
I think our best 22 going into 2012 if everything goes well in terms of injury:
Rance. Grimes. Moore.
Deledio. Astbury. Batchelor.
Conca. Cotchin. Houli.
Nahas. Griffiths. Grigg.
Newman. Riewoldt. Vickery.
Derickx. Martin. Tuck.
Foley. Irishman. Webberly. Helbig.
If we are to win a flag we need to be looking to draft Ruckman (derickx). Key backs (Moore). Running mid/forwards.
I would keep in the 2s macdonald. Dea. Jacobi. Browne. Post. Connors.
Everyone else not named
should be looked at moving on. It's hard to delist not much less than 20 if 2 season with the afl playing funny buggers with the draft.
imo its not just about poor performers but about balancing out the list.i think first and foremost the players most in the gun are those types we have an abundance of.
an example is say medium defenders. we have connors, dea, deledio, conca, jakobi, batchelor, orielly, and newman.
jakobi is a first yr rookie and has to be safe. deledio conca and batchelor are also safe. a lack of experience in the entire team would suggest newman is safe,but a factor is his age personally id move him out of defense into another role. that would leave connors orielly and dea in the gun. imo 2 of these types are superfluous to needs.personally i would keep dea. connors, has had how many yrs 5. hes not really established himself and has many pulling their hair out. if possible id give orielly another season but age and his background sort of work against him even though hes an experiment.
so connors is one up for trade delist imo.if we do get rid of him we do not have to invest in a medium defender we can target another area of structure with his replacement.
an area we are really low on numbers in is small defenders.we certainly dont have a lock down small defender. we have just farmer and webberley if we delist them we must look for their replacements well at least one replacement anyway. fortunately we can replace the small defender with a medium sized defender this is the way most clubs have gone anyway.to me both farmer and webberley are players and types we can cover for.
another area we are deficient in is medium forwards we have two genuine medium forwards morton and macdonald and i dont have high hopes for either.but there is a case to keep both atm the lack of this type says so. surely we will target this type at the draft.
anyway i think people get what im saying list balance age performance contracts all determine who we delist and who we actually draft.
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At half time I went through our current list (including rookies) of who I'd keep, who I'd trade and who I'd de-list
I came up with 12 without batting an eyelid; which to me just proved what a massive job re-building this list is.
Anyone who think we don't need another 2 years of re-building is living in "la-la" land
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Because of contracts, I reckon the following changes are likely to happen:-
2011: Browne (delist) Jackson (seek trade/delist), Morton (seek trade/delist), Nason, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley (all delist)
2012: Connors (seek trade) Edwards (seek trade) Tuck (delist) foley (seek trade)
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Rough on Nason and Webberley for mine.
Nason was good last year, and they both have the potential to improve.
I'd rather see them on the list than older players who have already shown they are limited and will never be capable of taking the next step such as King, White, Edwards, Morton, Nahas etc...
I also reckon Thursty has been ok this year.
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I'd keep Tuck for 1 more year, have to realise that we haven't had any injuries to our midfielders this year. Which has been remarkable.
Who would play midfield if Martin went down with a knee, Jackson got rubbed out for 4 weeks and Cotchin did a shoulder?
No one can replace them, so I think there is merit keeping Tuck if he is happy to play as depth. I'd actually honestly play him as a defender. Good speed, has a great vertical leap, good set of hands and a good head on his shoulders. Isn't a great kick but better than Thursfield and McGuane.
Players to be moved on:
Will Thursfield
Mitch Farmer
Luke McGuane
Daniel Connors
Mitch Morton
Daniel Jackson
Ben Nason
Angus Graham
Troy Taylor
Brad Miller (R)
Tom Hislop (R)
Edwards, Jackson, Morton maybe McGuane would have varied currency in the trade market. The rest wont be touched.
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I also reckon Thursty has been ok this year.
Agree Big fella , he's been far from our worst player in the past two weeks.
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Rough on Nason and Webberley for mine.
Nason was good last year, and they both have the potential to improve.
I'd rather see them on the list than older players who have already shown they are limited and will never be capable of taking the next step such as King, White, Edwards, Morton, Nahas etc...
I also reckon Thursty has been ok this year.
you would have nason over nahas? Nahas is servicable. Nason seems to have ticker but is too light and gets ragdolled
Webberly should not be delisted (yet). Many others ahead of him to go earlier.
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Who do people think will be moved on now?
How many list changes?
I'm thinking it may be limited to:-
For sure
Taylor
Hislop
Nason
Browne
Farmer
Maybes/trade
Foley
Jackson
McGone (trade or payout)
Morton
Connors
Done enough
Thursfield?
Tuck?
Miller?
I can see us having only 6-7 odd list changes.
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BrownE will be here. Gus is gone
edit: hang on, isn't Beefcake another Craig Cameron special? LMAO he'll be here too :rollin
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I'd keep Tuck for 1 more year, have to realise that we haven't had any injuries to our midfielders this year. Which has been remarkable.
Who would play midfield if Martin went down with a knee, Jackson got rubbed out for 4 weeks and Cotchin did a shoulder?
No one can replace them, so I think there is merit keeping Tuck if he is happy to play as depth. I'd actually honestly play him as a defender. Good speed, has a great vertical leap, good set of hands and a good head on his shoulders. Isn't a great kick but better than Thursfield and McGuane.
Players to be moved on:
Will Thursfield
Mitch Farmer
Luke McGuane
Daniel Connors
Mitch Morton
Daniel Jackson
Ben Nason
Angus Graham
Troy Taylor
Brad Miller (R)
Tom Hislop (R)
Edwards, Jackson, Morton maybe McGuane would have varied currency in the trade market. The rest wont be touched.
I think Farmer is in the coaches long term plans. If Moore does not recover then Thursfield is the one i would keep for the short term and i would give Conners another year. Agree with all of the rest.
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Farmers not going anywhere.
He is a very good kick and he was one of the first to understand how to defend space,(or a zone) rather than a man.
It's just wishful thinking
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Think we need to turn over five or six from the senior list.
2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
Taylor - for sure
Nason - likely
Moore - unfortunately
Then it comes down to a selection from between Dea, Farmer, Morton or Webberley for the final short straw (assuming we can organize a trade or two).
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Think we need to turn over five or six from the senior list.
2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
Taylor - for sure
Nason - likely
Moore - unfortunately
Then it comes down to a selection from between Dea, Farmer, Morton or Webberley for the final short straw (assuming we can organize a trade or two).
Webberley has been performing pretty good as the Sub lately so I would have him above Morton at this stage.
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Think we need to turn over five or six from the senior list.
2011: Astbury, Browne, Dea, Farmer, Griffiths, Jackson, King, Morton, Nahas, Nason, Newman, Taylor, Thursfield, Webberley
Taylor - for sure
Nason - likely
Moore - unfortunately
Then it comes down to a selection from between Dea, Farmer, Morton or Webberley for the final short straw (assuming we can organize a trade or two).
Webberley has been performing pretty good as the Sub lately so I would have him above Morton at this stage.
Guess we could throw Thursty into that mix as well.
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I think white is at real risk of being delisted
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I think white is at real risk of being delisted
Whitey has a contract for 2012. They'd have to pay him out.
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I think white is at real risk of being delisted
Whitey has a contract for 2012. They'd have to pay him out.
That is a shame if true, simply not up to it.
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They should trade him also or just pay him out. Harvey embarrased him today and Harvey is nearly on the old age pension. White only has pace going for him and he seems to be losing that as well. Common Richmond make some decisions on the likes of White and Jackson. Richmond members and sponsors deserve better.
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They should trade him also or just pay him out. Harvey embarrased him today and Harvey is nearly on the old age pension. White only has pace going for him and he seems to be losing that as well. Common Richmond make some decisions on the likes of White and Jackson. Richmond members and sponsors deserve better.
Add the very disappointing Graham to that list. Shocking year.
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Add the very disappointing Graham to that list. Shocking year.
Gus looks so bad when he takes his eye off the ball to look at the opposition ruckman. Couple of times today it looked like he was trying to avoid contact. And he got nowhere near the ball either.
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Add the very disappointing Graham to that list. Shocking year.
Gus looks so bad when he takes his eye off the ball to look at the opposition ruckman. Couple of times today it looked like he was trying to avoid contact. And he got nowhere near the ball either.
His been doing that all season. His a chicken poo
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Interesting to hear at pre-match function that Luke McGuane has just had surgery to correct a severe case of OP that he has struggled with for 2 seasons :gobdrop now
Begs the question why do we persist wiuth playing blokes when they are clearly injured :banghead :banghead Perhaps it's simply people can come on the internet and bag the crap out of them ;D
Seriously though why was he played for so much of the year when he admitted today that he hasn't been able to kick properly for most of the year and that the OP's been so bad he's actually had trouble getting out of bed in the mornings because of the pain - bloody stupid RFC
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Interesting to hear at pre-match function that Luke McGuane has just had surgery to correct a severe case of OP that he has struggled with for 2 seasons :gobdrop now
Begs the question why do we persist wiuth playing blokes when they are clearly injured :banghead :banghead Perhaps it's simply people can come on the internet and bag the crap out of them ;D
Seriously though why was he played for so much of the year when he admitted today that he hasn't been able to kick properly for most of the year and that the OP's been so bad he's actually had trouble getting out of bed in the mornings because of the pain - bloody stupid RFC
just appalling - seriously RFC not good enough!
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Can someone please send Shaun Grigg back to Carlton for a can of coke and a cherry ripe. Wasting our time this bloke. He is Daniel Jackson mark 2 in the making IMHO.
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Will be interesting to read/hear about those blokes who have had or are going in for surgeries over the next week or so... I know of a few ..... and I am staggered that we kept plpaying some of them ::)
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Can someone please send Shaun Grigg back to Carlton for a can of coke and a cherry ripe. Wasting our time this bloke. He is Daniel Jackson mark 2 in the making IMHO.
I thought Griggs first 6 games were superb. Been ordinary since, still think he's an upgrade on Collins even small improvements are worth something. At the mid point of the season he was rated a better trade than Houli, Houli now has gone ahead of him. Will be interesting to see how he goes next year. Twice the player Jackson is, in fact so is my grandma.
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Will be interesting to read/hear about those blokes who have had or are going in for surgeries over the next week or so... I know of a few ..... and I am staggered that we kept plpaying some of them ::)
Had no choice I guess, some of them have been our better players this year ;)
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An Update:
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
Has actually had a decent end to the season. Wanted out at the end of the year. With McGuane having sever OP as an excuse and Grimes coming back from his hamstring. Thursfield is a depth player. Will be 26 next year, maybe a tough call on a good end to the season I can see him staying, may be contracted?
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Pick 25-30
My opinion hasnt changed. Too small to play midfield and not creative enough to be a small forward and poor overhead. Trade as he has currency and may be keen to return back to SA.
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
Think he's been a success, however doesnt deserve a spot on the list. Should remain a mature rookie or be delisted.
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
Delisted, non negotiable. Not AFl standard seen enough.
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
Reports say he's had severe OP for 2 years. OP has no effect on his decision making. His skills are poor. May survive but I still don't think he's the answer, with Rance, Grimes and a monster defender needed I dont think there is room for even the best McGuane has to offer.
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
5 years in the system has played 20 games max. Time is probably up. Can see him survive though.
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
Mitch has the X Factor, unfortunatley in what 3 seasons hes used it maybe twice. IMO has currency and think like Tambling ts better to cash in on a falling investment before you go bankrupt.
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
I'm wrong about Tucky. I'd keep Tuck on for another year if he is happy to provide cover for teh young bodies at the end of the year. He is also in our best 22 and by all reports next year is about results not tranforming and blooding youth - If this is the case Tuck is in our best 12 players and could play 22 games.
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
Can't think of a player Ive disliked more, Jordan McMahon springs to mind but he wasnt a player. Jackson can't insult the fans any longer unless he returns to his traditional run with role he is not AFL standard.
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
Too small, King and Nahas are miles ahead as small forwards, if we are moving on Edwards - Nason goes before him
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
Suburban football, would like to bring in a 23-26yo Ruckman that is AFL standard with Browne and Derickx pushing for selection. If Graham is kept than Browne must be moved on. Cant have 3 VFL ruckman on an AFL list
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
Been given a stack of chances, hoped he could make it but unfortunately hasn't
13. Delist - Troy Taylor
Just gotta get fair dinkum, first delisted. If he wants to return to football, rookie the kid. No club in there mind would use a draft pick on him.
So out of these squad changes. I think McGuane and Tuck wont go ahead.
The rest I hope do. Could add a Matt White into that mix but I have a feeling hes played injured all year.
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An Update:
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
Has actually had a decent end to the season. Wanted out at the end of the year. With McGuane having sever OP as an excuse and Grimes coming back from his hamstring. Thursfield is a depth player. Will be 26 next year, maybe a tough call on a good end to the season I can see him staying, may be contracted?
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Pick 25-30
My opinion hasnt changed. Too small to play midfield and not creative enough to be a small forward and poor overhead. Trade as he has currency and may be keen to return back to SA.
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
Think he's been a success, however doesnt deserve a spot on the list. Should remain a mature rookie or be delisted.
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
Delisted, non negotiable. Not AFl standard seen enough.
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
Reports say he's had severe OP for 2 years. OP has no effect on his decision making. His skills are poor. May survive but I still don't think he's the answer, with Rance, Grimes and a monster defender needed I dont think there is room for even the best McGuane has to offer.
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
5 years in the system has played 20 games max. Time is probably up. Can see him survive though.
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
Mitch has the X Factor, unfortunatley in what 3 seasons hes used it maybe twice. IMO has currency and think like Tambling ts better to cash in on a falling investment before you go bankrupt.
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
I'm wrong about Tucky. I'd keep Tuck on for another year if he is happy to provide cover for teh young bodies at the end of the year. He is also in our best 22 and by all reports next year is about results not tranforming and blooding youth - If this is the case Tuck is in our best 12 players and could play 22 games.
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
Can't think of a player Ive disliked more, Jordan McMahon springs to mind but he wasnt a player. Jackson can't insult the fans any longer unless he returns to his traditional run with role he is not AFL standard.
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
Too small, King and Nahas are miles ahead as small forwards, if we are moving on Edwards - Nason goes before him
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
Suburban football, would like to bring in a 23-26yo Ruckman that is AFL standard with Browne and Derickx pushing for selection. If Graham is kept than Browne must be moved on. Cant have 3 VFL ruckman on an AFL list
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
Been given a stack of chances, hoped he could make it but unfortunately hasn't
13. Delist - Troy Taylor
Just gotta get fair dinkum, first delisted. If he wants to return to football, rookie the kid. No club in there mind would use a draft pick on him.
So out of these squad changes. I think McGuane and Tuck wont go ahead.
The rest I hope do. Could add a Matt White into that mix but I have a feeling hes played injured all year.
would think that is 100% correct. Good assessment. Now email that to Dimma :thumbsup
I will say Mcguane aint going anywhere with a contract he has.
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Interesting to hear at pre-match function that Luke McGuane has just had surgery to correct a severe case of OP that he has struggled with for 2 seasons :gobdrop now
Begs the question why do we persist wiuth playing blokes when they are clearly injured :banghead :banghead Perhaps it's simply people can come on the internet and bag the crap out of them ;D
Seriously though why was he played for so much of the year when he admitted today that he hasn't been able to kick properly for most of the year and that the OP's been so bad he's actually had trouble getting out of bed in the mornings because of the pain - bloody stupid RFC
So McGuane has played 30 games with OP then :P.
Did the OP occur before or after we re-signed him for 3 years given he's had OP for the past two seasons and he's only into the 2nd year of the 3-year contract?
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Foley
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Farmer has to go just kill's us with mistakes and dumb decsions.He's out of contract so bye bye.Graham weak as pee a guy with his body and height doesn't use it no presence at all.He dropped a easy mark in the 4qtr which roos scored from :banghead.
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Did the OP occur before or after we re-signed him for 3 years given he's had OP for the past two seasons and he's only into the 2nd year of the 3-year contract?
All he said was he had an op last week (pretty gruesome description too BTW) for OP that he's been battling for 2 seasons now, so I take that to mean he had it in 2010 & now 2011. I am also assuming it was "mild" in 2010 and they've tried to manage it :banghead and as 2011 went on it has got worse.
Point is this, our season was shot 12 weeks ago why did they wait until now for him to have the surgery. :banghead
He got dropped (rightly) and then played 2 games for Coburg on sub standard grounds and then they wait until the last week of the season for him to have the op that has a minimum 8 week recovery time.. seriousy :banghead :banghead what the ....... :banghead
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Great question. Seems very loose.
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Foley
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An Update:
1. Delist - Will Thursfield (26yo)
Has actually had a decent end to the season. Wanted out at the end of the year. With McGuane having sever OP as an excuse and Grimes coming back from his hamstring. Thursfield is a depth player. Will be 26 next year, maybe a tough call on a good end to the season I can see him staying, may be contracted?
2. Trade - Shane Edwards for Pick 25-30
My opinion hasnt changed. Too small to play midfield and not creative enough to be a small forward and poor overhead. Trade as he has currency and may be keen to return back to SA.
3. Delist - Brad Miller (29yo)
Think he's been a success, however doesnt deserve a spot on the list. Should remain a mature rookie or be delisted.
4. Delist - Mitch Farmer (23yo)
Delisted, non negotiable. Not AFl standard seen enough.
5. Delist - Luke McGuane (25yo)
Reports say he's had severe OP for 2 years. OP has no effect on his decision making. His skills are poor. May survive but I still don't think he's the answer, with Rance, Grimes and a monster defender needed I dont think there is room for even the best McGuane has to offer.
6. Delist - Daniel Connors (23yo)
5 years in the system has played 20 games max. Time is probably up. Can see him survive though.
7. Trade - Mitch Morton (GWS 2nd Round Pick/3rd Round)
Mitch has the X Factor, unfortunatley in what 3 seasons hes used it maybe twice. IMO has currency and think like Tambling ts better to cash in on a falling investment before you go bankrupt.
8. Delist - Shane Tuck (31yo)
I'm wrong about Tucky. I'd keep Tuck on for another year if he is happy to provide cover for teh young bodies at the end of the year. He is also in our best 22 and by all reports next year is about results not tranforming and blooding youth - If this is the case Tuck is in our best 12 players and could play 22 games.
9. Trade - Daniel Jackson (26yo 2nd Round Pick)
Can't think of a player Ive disliked more, Jordan McMahon springs to mind but he wasnt a player. Jackson can't insult the fans any longer unless he returns to his traditional run with role he is not AFL standard.
10. Delist - Ben Nason (23yo)
Too small, King and Nahas are miles ahead as small forwards, if we are moving on Edwards - Nason goes before him
11. Delist - Angus Graham (25yo)
Suburban football, would like to bring in a 23-26yo Ruckman that is AFL standard with Browne and Derickx pushing for selection. If Graham is kept than Browne must be moved on. Cant have 3 VFL ruckman on an AFL list
12. Delist - Tom Hislop (24yo)
Been given a stack of chances, hoped he could make it but unfortunately hasn't
13. Delist - Troy Taylor
Just gotta get fair dinkum, first delisted. If he wants to return to football, rookie the kid. No club in there mind would use a draft pick on him.
So out of these squad changes. I think McGuane and Tuck wont go ahead.
The rest I hope do. Could add a Matt White into that mix but I have a feeling hes played injured all year.
Great assesment there Pope :thumbsup
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Did the OP occur before or after we re-signed him for 3 years given he's had OP for the past two seasons and he's only into the 2nd year of the 3-year contract?
All he said was he had an op last week (pretty gruesome description too BTW) for OP that he's been battling for 2 seasons now, so I take that to mean he had it in 2010 & now 2011. I am also assuming it was "mild" in 2010 and they've tried to manage it :banghead and as 2011 went on it has got worse.
Point is this, our season was shot 12 weeks ago why did they wait until now for him to have the surgery. :banghead
He got dropped (rightly) and then played 2 games for Coburg on sub standard grounds and then they wait until the last week of the season for him to have the op that has a minimum 8 week recovery time.. seriousy :banghead :banghead what the ....... :banghead
He had a serious injury in "that area" preseason 2010, remember they played his first game with 2 weeks training ?????. He was under done.
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He had a serious injury in "that area" preseason 2010, remember they played his first game with 2 weeks training ?????. He was under done.
Totally seperate injury to the OP Jack not related at all. And he missed for memory about 2-3 weeks of the pre-season because of it.
My issue is simply why did they continue to play him if his case of OP was so bad - absolutely pointless IMHO
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He had a serious injury in "that area" preseason 2010, remember they played his first game with 2 weeks training ?????. He was under done.
Totally seperate injury to the OP Jack not related at all. And he missed for memory about 2-3 weeks of the pre-season because of it.
My issue is simply why did they continue to play him if his case of OP was so bad - absolutely pointless IMHO
Mind boggiling really.. I suppose he was seen as our number 1 defender and needed him desperately to play.. :rollin
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We need to make tough decisions to go ahead. I think Pope's assessment is pretty much on the mark but I don't believe the club will retain Browne. He just isn't up to AFL standards.
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Pope missed Gourdis, Westhoff and Hicks.
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Pope missed Gourdis, Westhoff and Hicks.
Those 3 shouldnt be in the same postcode of an AFL club, let alone on a list :banghead
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Pope missed Gourdis, Westhoff and Hicks.
Who lol?
I think Gourdis is contracted lol.
Westhoff is 100% gone and Hicks is just as close, both rookies. Both gone. Think we'll rookie a few State league players this year.
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If anyone think GWS is going to take Richmonds wasted players you should give away watching football all together cause it aint going to happen PMSL :lol
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:lol
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O.K let me have a go at what I think might happen here :help :help
Clearly I'm no rocket scientist but basing my assumptions on the body language (Media reports ect) of the club and the fact that this years draft is said to be a shocker I think it may pan out somthing like this........
Firstly No contracted player will be Delisted........Yes we all want heads to roll in this group but I just can't see us cutting anyone's contract this season However......Contracted players wont be immune to being traded (See Trade Bait) This just isn't the Draft to cut players to free up late draft picks. There may be one Small exception* and that is Gourdis, he really seemed to fall out of favor this season, we had plenty of opportunity to play him but we didn't, makes me wonder if he had a performance based contract ala Tuck.
Delist......Taylor, Nason, Dea, Brown and Gourdis* (Possibly rookie Dea and/or Brown) and if the rumors are true I really think Moore will retire. This will free up 6 picks in the Draft.
Farmer, Thursfield and Webberley should be offered 1 year deals and if they don't like it let them walk as well!
Trade Bait........Jackson, White, Foley, Morton, Conners, Edwards, Graham, McGuane, Thursfield, King, Webberley, Farmer and Post.
Clearly not all these players can or will be traded this season but they should all be put on the table. Foley, Jackson and Edwards carry the most currency and should be used to try and snare either one of the 17yo's from GWS (Preferably) or late first round or second round picks. The others could be packaged up with picks to try and snare us a decent Ruckman or a tall back.
I don't believe there is any sense in trading anyone for a pick outside of 50 as it is a real lottery beyond that. We are better of delisting them next season to free up picks in the so called "Mega Draft".
Rookies......
Hicks, Hislop and Westhoff should be cut loose.
I Think one of O'Rielly or Contin may be promoted the other will be offered another year.
Miller and Jacobi to be offered another year.
Dea or Browne may be Demoted to Rokies, I believe both are worth persevering with for another season yet.
Pick 14......
Should only be traded if look like getting a quality Proven player in return no! The only exception should be Zac Clarke, he probably hasn't proven himself to much yet but he show signs of being an elite ruckman.
Well that's pretty much my take, as much as I would love to see a dozen list changes this season I just don't think the draft is going to be strong enough to do it. I really believe that we are better off in hanging onto to some of the spuds as insurance and delisting them next season when the draft is stronger. If Hardwick is true to his word we won't be seeing many of them run around next year anyway, especially if the have to EARN there spot as has been sugested ;D
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and I agree :thumbsup
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Foley
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Foley
off with his head & thrown in the tiger pit ;D VFL player
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Delisted: Ben Nason, Troy Taylor, David Gourdis Will Thursfield (4)
Possible Trades: Mitch Morton, Daniel Jackson, Angus Graham, Daniel Conners, Nathan Foley
(5)
Delisted Rookies: Hicks, Westhoff and Hislop (3)
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Delisted: Ben Nason, Troy Taylor, David Gourdis Will Thursfield (4)
Possible Trades: Mitch Morton, Daniel Jackson, Angus Graham, Daniel Conners, Nathan Foley
(5)
Delisted Rookies: Hicks, Westhoff and Hislop (3)
Agree with you on the trades Flagman - not sure if anyone would take Connors but certainly Morton, Jackson & Foley have currency (even if people don't think so, it's not about what we think ;D)
I don't think Nason will be de-listed. Other de-lists in taylor (a given) and Gourdis - agree
I reckon Thursfield will get thrown up for trade and if we don't get a decent deal then they will keep him
I said on another thread I have a gut feeling at least 1 rookie will get promoted possibly 2
Post - it will interesting to see what they do. Actually not sure they know what to do ;D
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Senior List cuts:
Nason, Taylor, Thursty - all delisted.
Morton (uncontracted) - trade bait.
Jacko (uncontracted) - trade bait.
McGuane (contracted) - trade bait
Moore (contracted) - forced retirement due to hip?
Rookie List cut:
Hislop, Hicks, Westhoff, Jakobi ..... (looks like we'll keep Miller on :P unless he decides to retire)
So say 5 senior list spots freed up = 4 National Draft picks (14, pick from trade, 37, 55) + PSD
Plus 4 rookie picks.
Cameron said we want to be in a position next year to have picks freed up.
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Whoever we get, they need to Go All In.
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I would be be surprised to see both thursty and mcgone on their bikes this year, especially considering moore is most probably finished, unless we trade in another (semi) experienced backman
Jakobi has only been on the list a year and had injuries so i'd reakon he will get another year
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Whoever we get, they need to Go All In.
This must be on the banner in Round 1 next year
"Go All In"
Angus 2011
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Hahaha I'd like to put $100 on the fact Round 1 next year someone in the cheer squad will bring a banner "Go All In" if it doesn't happen I'll bring one Round 2!
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My thoughts:
Unfortunately, like most years, I think the club won't clear out as many as we would like. The hope would be next year a more significant clean out will occur given the hype around the draft. I suspect we'll strongly look to the state leagues for players this year as we should have quite a few rookie spots available.
Also we have a few players that are saved by their contracts (Connors, Gourdis, White). Would be surprised if the club burned the money on paying them out.
Delist:
Farmer
Hislop
Nason
Taylor
Westhoff
Hicks
Unknowns:
Moore - possible retirement
Morton - possible delist
Wishful trading:
Jackson
McGuane
Drafting:
Pick 14 - best available midfielder. Still no decent depth in our midfield.
Pick 37 - I suspect this will be used to trade for Maric
Pick 55 - F/S Morris
Hopefully we can trade off a Jackson, McGuane, Morton type and get some more 2nd/3rd round picks.
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My thoughts:
Unfortunately, like most years, I think the club won't clear out as many as we would like. The hope would be next year a more significant clean out will occur given the hype around the draft. I suspect we'll strongly look to the state leagues for players this year as we should have quite a few rookie spots available.
Also we have a few players that are saved by their contracts (Connors, Gourdis, White). Would be surprised if the club burned the money on paying them out.
Delist:
Farmer
Hislop
Nason
Taylor
Westhoff
Hicks
Unknowns:
Moore - possible retirement
Morton - possible delist
Wishful trading:
Jackson
McGuane
Drafting:
Pick 14 - best available midfielder. Still no decent depth in our midfield.
Pick 37 - I suspect this will be used to trade for Maric
Pick 55 - F/S Morris
Hopefully we can trade off a Jackson, McGuane, Morton type and get some more 2nd/3rd round picks.
Looks good but is Morton a possible trade?
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Looks good but is Morton a possible trade?
You should be able to tell us? Unless.....your not really God :o :o ;D
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Looks good but is Morton a possible trade?
You should be able to tell us? Unless.....your not really God :o :o ;D
Look around, God is not infallible.
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