One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 26, 2007, 08:11:29 PM
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What did we think of Kel's game tonight?
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6.5/10
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Did some good thinks tonight. I don't know if Terry's made up his mind on him yet, doesn't know what to do with him. To delist or not to delist, that is the question. If we keep him for another year I won't be too disappointed. Depends on whether we miss anything from keeping his possi on the list occupied.
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he was real good tonight, a couple of times tried teh right things and make teh play but luck went against him
he has a good size and will bulk up more, and is lightning quick and has good hands and a good kick
we must persist with him , he has what it takes, and along with luke and thursty will form a gr8 trio in defence
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Thought he played well but no sure if we keep him though.
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my trouble with moore is his inconsistency at AFL level, cannot seem to string together successive good games.
Agreed that purely from a general look at him he looks perfect for AFL
190cm, good hands, solid skills, lightning quick
... but just doesn't look AFL to me
Good VFL player though :thumbsup
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my trouble with moore is his inconsistency at AFL level, cannot seem to string together successive good games.
He has one in a row now, let's see how he goes next week.
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He's 23 and has done sweet FA tbh for 3-4 years.
I think we still have to let him go.
He might have sat himself ahead of Meyer now though . . .
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He's 23 and has done sweet FA tbh for 3-4 years.
I think we still have to let him go.
He might have sat himself ahead of Meyer now though . . .
Just the right age to come good - it's just a confidence thing now IMO
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He's 23 and has done sweet FA tbh for 3-4 years.
I think we still have to let him go.
He might have sat himself ahead of Meyer now though . . .
Just the right age to come good - it's just a confidence thing now IMO
i agree
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Career was on the line, still is next week. I think we'll defer a decision on him for a while, wait until we asses the tall talent on offer in the draft.
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He's 23 and has done sweet FA tbh for 3-4 years.
I think we still have to let him go.
He might have sat himself ahead of Meyer now though . . .
Just the right age to come good - it's just a confidence thing now IMO
Well he owes us big time so lets hope if we keep him he delivers in spades for having so much patience. :thumbsup
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don't be fooled !!!
he is useless ...
DELIST HIM !!!
he is a waste of time ...
has been here for to long ...
don't care what he did last night ... (even though i didn't watch it!!!)
he should be off our list ... (sorry Kelvin ... no offensive dude!!!)
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when his not injured his a good footballer
showed some good signs tonight maybe he likes the big stage
you know now that our young playing list has a taste of the big stage & have tasted a win under them conditions things could swing around quickly
l was impressed with the way everyone put in
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Kel got the unsung hero this week from Plough in EOTT. Terry said it was the first time Moore showed he was able to set up as an attacking defender at AFL level. Still it's hard to see one game saving a career after 4 years on the list.
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After playing on Pav, Buddy and Fev this year and doing a decent job to contain all three, do you think Kel from now on has got the jobs on the bigger key forwards or do we still need another key defender with size?
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now that polaks future is in doubt and that he wont play at all this yr, it is time time to fast track rance
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Wouldn't hurt. Having Riewoldt in defence was a bit of a joke.
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Tiger Moore to the fore
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Thu 31 July, 2008
Kelvin Moore, of the Hawthorn variety, played 300 league games with the Hawks from 1970-84, was a member of three premiership sides, a club Best and Fairest winner, an All-Australian representative, and a Victorian State representative on 13 occasions. Post- retirement, he was selected at full-back in Hawthorn’s Team of the Century, and was inducted into Australian Football’s Hall of Fame.
Kelvin Moore, of the Richmond variety, was elevated from the Club’s rookie list and made his senior league debut with the Tigers in 2004. Up to the start of this year, an injury-plagued Moore had managed just 24 senior appearances in his four seasons at the game’s highest level.
This season, however, it’s a totally different story for Tiger Moore . . . He has played all 17 games to date and performed his backline duties so well, that he’s regarded as Richmond’s most improved player, and one of the most improved in the entire competition.
Not only has Moore done a fine job in curbing the talents of gun forwards such as Brendan Fevola, Lance Franklin, Matthew Lloyd, Warren Tredrea and Jonathan Brown, he’s also gathered a fair bit of the ball himself.
He’s averaging 16.2 possessions and 6.3 marks per game, with a career-high 24 possessions against West Coast at Subiaco in Round 15, and a career-high 17 marks v Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium in Round 13.
With his pace, strong spoiling, sure ball-handling, efficient disposal and coolness under pressure, Moore has become one of the first picked in the Richmond side each week this season, and he’s been a key factor in the Tiger resurgence.
If the 24-year-old can continue to improve, the comparisons with his 57-year-old ex-Hawk namesake will extend way beyond roll calls and signatures.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=64495
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Tiger Moore to the fore
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Thu 31 July, 2008
Kelvin Moore, of the Hawthorn variety, played 300 league games with the Hawks from 1970-84, was a member of three premiership sides, a club Best and Fairest winner, an All-Australian representative, and a Victorian State representative on 13 occasions. Post- retirement, he was selected at full-back in Hawthorn’s Team of the Century, and was inducted into Australian Football’s Hall of Fame.
Kelvin Moore, of the Richmond variety, was elevated from the Club’s rookie list and made his senior league debut with the Tigers in 2004. Up to the start of this year, an injury-plagued Moore had managed just 24 senior appearances in his four seasons at the game’s highest level.
This season, however, it’s a totally different story for Tiger Moore . . . He has played all 17 games to date and performed his backline duties so well, that he’s regarded as Richmond’s most improved player, and one of the most improved in the entire competition.
Not only has Moore done a fine job in curbing the talents of gun forwards such as Brendan Fevola, Lance Franklin, Matthew Lloyd, Warren Tredrea and Jonathan Brown, he’s also gathered a fair bit of the ball himself.
He’s averaging 16.2 possessions and 6.3 marks per game, with a career-high 24 possessions against West Coast at Subiaco in Round 15, and a career-high 17 marks v Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium in Round 13.
With his pace, strong spoiling, sure ball-handling, efficient disposal and coolness under pressure, Moore has become one of the first picked in the Richmond side each week this season, and he’s been a key factor in the Tiger resurgence.
If the 24-year-old can continue to improve, the comparisons with his 57-year-old ex-Hawk namesake will extend way beyond roll calls and signatures.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=64495
As i said at the start of the season "He would make some posters on this forum eat their words before the season ends" :gotigers
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Kelvin Moore repaying faith in breakthrough season
Malcolm Conn | August 01, 2008
AFTER just 24 games in four injury-riddled seasons of frustration and self-doubt, Kelvin Moore was just another young man in danger of having his AFL dream chewed up and spat out by an unforgiving system.
Suddenly a regular in 2008, he is Richmond's star stopper. The brave and nerveless key defender who put himself between Lions man-mountain Jonathan Brown and the ball with just 30 seconds remaining last Saturday night, to take a great mark and instantaneously begin one final desperate rebound with 30 seconds to play.
"I was a bit lucky that it fell short and I happened to be in front so for once instead of punching I thought I'd go for the mark and it ended up in my arms," Moore recalled with some understatement this week.
"I knew there wasn't long to go so I gave it to Jordan McMahon on the open side of the ground and he's quick."
The rest, as they say, is history. What was shaping as another fractured Tiger fairytale after a brilliant last quarter became an uplifting victory as Richmond, which so often burns the ball with poor skills, linked up to hit Joel Bowden on the chest for his third goal of the quarter.
That Moore had the will, ability and foresight to mark so strongly and play on so quickly was vindication for coach Terry Wallace of the improvement the player and his team have made this season after stringing together five wins in six weeks to have an outside chance of making the finals.
"The confidence to get in front and take the mark when he could have thought 'It's Jonathan Brown, I'll just kill the ball' was terrific," Wallace said.
"The work he's been doing with (defensive coach David King) and the whole confidence level of our players that the best way to defend is get a hold of the footy by marking it yourself.
"Equally as good was that he didn't have a relief factor, he didn't show the ball to the crowd, straight away he released to the other side of the ground, which gave us the opportunity of winning the game."
Like just about every club in the competition, Richmond is destined for a major reality check when it takes on juggernaut Geelong, at Telstra Dome tomorrow night, followed by games against the Crows in Adelaide and then third-placed Hawthorn.
But for the moment the 10th-placed Tigers and their frustrated fans can dare to dream, sitting as they are just a game behind fifth-placed North Melbourne with the same percentage.
With a name like Kelvin Moore, history says he should be a quality defender. Another Kelvin Moore played 300 games and in three premierships at full-back for Hawthorn during the '70s and early '80s. They are no relation and Richmond's Moore said his parents had been hopeful that Hawthorn's Moore would have faded sufficiently from the football psyche once their son began playing in the AFL. That hasn't been the case.
"I get it all the time," laughs Tiger Moore. "Everyone thinks he's my father. I've never actually met him."
Like the Kelvin Moore that came before him, almost every week is yet another big game on a big name, with opponents this year also including Essendon's Matthew Lloyd, Hawthorn's Lance Franklin, Fremantle's Matthew Pavlich and Carlton's Brendan Fevola.
This is a far cry from the Yarra Valley Grammar student who turned his back on Victoria's football factory by walking away from Eastern Rangers, part of the elite under-18 competition, to concentrate on his last year at school. Moore has battled the odds ever since but he persisted and Wallace kept the faith.
There are very few AFL footballers given the chance to establish themselves at 24.
"There were signs last year," said Wallace, who recalled Moore shutting down the Swans' robust and relentless Ryan O'Keefe twice in 2007.
Moore has relished the challenges, and credits King as the mentor who has given him the confidence and skills to take on the best each week. From the first time he met Moore, King believed there was an AFL footballer just waiting to burst forth.
"You can see the impressive physique that he's got. He has everything that the modern AFL footballer is," said King.
"It's a fantastic reward for a fantastic kid."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24109291-5012432,00.html
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Tiger Moore to the fore
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Thu 31 July, 2008
Kelvin Moore, of the Hawthorn variety, played 300 league games with the Hawks from 1970-84, was a member of three premiership sides, a club Best and Fairest winner, an All-Australian representative, and a Victorian State representative on 13 occasions. Post- retirement, he was selected at full-back in Hawthorn’s Team of the Century, and was inducted into Australian Football’s Hall of Fame.
Kelvin Moore, of the Richmond variety, was elevated from the Club’s rookie list and made his senior league debut with the Tigers in 2004. Up to the start of this year, an injury-plagued Moore had managed just 24 senior appearances in his four seasons at the game’s highest level.
This season, however, it’s a totally different story for Tiger Moore . . . He has played all 17 games to date and performed his backline duties so well, that he’s regarded as Richmond’s most improved player, and one of the most improved in the entire competition.
Not only has Moore done a fine job in curbing the talents of gun forwards such as Brendan Fevola, Lance Franklin, Matthew Lloyd, Warren Tredrea and Jonathan Brown, he’s also gathered a fair bit of the ball himself.
He’s averaging 16.2 possessions and 6.3 marks per game, with a career-high 24 possessions against West Coast at Subiaco in Round 15, and a career-high 17 marks v Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium in Round 13.
With his pace, strong spoiling, sure ball-handling, efficient disposal and coolness under pressure, Moore has become one of the first picked in the Richmond side each week this season, and he’s been a key factor in the Tiger resurgence.
If the 24-year-old can continue to improve, the comparisons with his 57-year-old ex-Hawk namesake will extend way beyond roll calls and signatures.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=64495
As i said at the start of the season "He would make some posters on this forum eat their words before the season ends" :gotigers
Yep said it after the VFL finals last year, also was one of the first onto Kingy ....
Clever aint I :shh :rollin
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With Kel Moore, McGuane, Thursfield and (dare I say it) Schulz amking up the core of our backline with Newman, MacMahon, Tambling taking the mid/smalls and running it out - all of a sudden we have a good looking backline who are all still young.
Bodes well for the future
Stripes
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I'll admit I was one who thought he was gone at around round 20 last year. The signs weren't good for a injury-prone 23 year old playing VFL. A mate of mine who watches training always kept telling me Moore would come good and reminds me of it ;D.
In hindsight Moore's body really only started to cope with the rigors of AFL midway through last year and his last 2 senior games and VFL final series saved him and renewed the faith for him to remain at Punt Rd. This year has been a huge breakout year and all credit to him. Kel was obviously a late developer at 23/24.
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I'll admit I was one who thought he was gone at around round 20 last year. The signs weren't good for a injury-prone 23 year old playing VFL. A mate of mine who watches training always kept telling me Moore would come good and reminds me of it ;D.
In hindsight Moore's body really only started to cope with the rigors of AFL midway through last year and his last 2 senior games and VFL final series saved him and renewed the faith for him to remain at Punt Rd. This year has been a huge breakout year and all credit to him. Kel was obviously a late developer at 23/24.
Maybe this year you will put him into the popular player vote ;) ;D :rollin :thumbsup
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I'm a big fan of KM.
Old school with a bit of new.
Great ability to use his fist as well as keep his head under pressure.
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:thumbsup
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Moore has a sub-luxer (sp?) injury in his right shoulder. He did it trying to spoil Jonathan Brown in the 2nd quarter. He tried to stay on and use his left arm to spoil in the next contest but had to go off. Brown then kicked a couple of goals while Moore was off and they got back into the game. Pete Larkins said Kel's been carrying it since last year and he didn't say anything about whether he'll play or miss next week (?).
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I saw him hurt it in the North game, and again last week in Sydney he was troubled by it at times.
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Bugger, but if he has to miss any games it is not going to matter now.
Might as well focus on being 100% for next season.
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a subluxation is when a joint slightly moves out of line or its place, happens alot in the spine , ask any chiro.
its not a dislocation but in moores case he obv has an injury there so its a bit loose and the joint is shifting. he will play next week, they will just have to strap very quarter as strapping can become loose during a game, hopefully it heals quickly b4 it becomes looser and fully dislocates
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a subluxation is when a joint slightly moves out of line or its place, happens alot in the spine , ask any chiro.
its not a dislocation but in moores case he obv has an injury there so its a bit loose and the joint is shifting. he will play next week, they will just have to strap very quarter as strapping can become loose during a game, hopefully it heals quickly b4 it becomes looser and fully dislocates
Based on this am I right in assuming that it it starts "popping" that it it is highly likely it will continue to do so?
Which would be similar to what happened with Polo who ended up needing a shoulder reco to fix the problem
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a subluxation is when a joint slightly moves out of line or its place, happens alot in the spine , ask any chiro.
its not a dislocation but in moores case he obv has an injury there so its a bit loose and the joint is shifting. he will play next week, they will just have to strap very quarter as strapping can become loose during a game, hopefully it heals quickly b4 it becomes looser and fully dislocates
Based on this am I right in assuming that it it starts "popping" that it it is highly likely it will continue to do so?
Which would be similar to what happened with Polo who ended up needing a shoulder reco to fix the problem
subluxation isnt a full dislocation or pop out, its just a small and subtle movement in the joint, u could call it a partial / not full dislocation. the risk is the joint could become looser and then the reoccuring dislocations would happen like polo. maybe the best thing for moore would be 2 weeks off now, get in the gym/rehab and stregnthen the joint and/or give it time to heal
if he plays on, he may have to re adjust his game to protect that shoulder
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From experience I actually had this injury last year.
To explain the feeling as best I can. When extending or rotating the shoulder joint (like a wind mill action) reasonably quickly, my shoulder would pinch or "pop" maybe 1 in every 10 times. The feeling is really similar to a click of any bones (fingers, neck, knee) and goes immediately into "funny bone" state where is just feels extremely weak. Depending on how bad I clicked it determined how quickly feeling came back into the arm. No surgery was required but had 4 weeks rest and had 2 pops after that for the rest of the year (approx 12 weeks).
With proper medical staff I'm sure Kelvin's recovery would be significantly quicker but I wasn't 100% till the beginning of this years pre season.
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the reason you were feeling it ur funny bone is because when a joint subluxates, there is interefence with the nervous system , either by the movement and or swelling, which causes referred pain or restricted movement in a referred area. hence the back related hammy, its noit a hammy but a subluxation in the lower back. it took years and yars for doctors to recognise this. chiropratctors have know about this since chiropractic started , but doctors who believe they know it all used to say chiros were fos and the word subluxation to them never existed. now thanks to collingwood who employ chiros as they are better than physios and many doctors to treat this. the maggies went on the from foot years ago to introduse chiros in the rehab team and then the word subluxation got around and the sports medicos started to believe. the biggest problem in footy isnt the medical team but the physios. physios make me laugh , but physiotherapists were once called physcial thereapists which was born and invented by chiros, but in the usa , their ama would have nothing to do with physical therapists because they were chiro born, so they decised we will have our own "physiotherapists". all political, but the problem about this is that chiros know more about the function of the human body, skeletal system, nervous system etc than doctors. doctors know how to treat symptoms with drugs, chiros treat the cause with out the drugs. why treat a headach so to speak with panadol if the cause of the headache is a subluxation in the neck/atlas area.
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Less is more for Kelvin Moore
richmondfc.com.au
By Jason Phelan Sun 14 June, 2009
AT ITS core footy is a pretty simple game. Kel Moore says he and his teammates were reminded of that during Jade Rawlings' first week in charge of the club and the results were there for all to see against West Coast on Saturday night.
"We had a few key focus points that we wanted to attack and that's the way that we would beat them. We wanted to play on instinct and play on where we could," Moore said after the 15-point win.
"It's been a tough first half of the season, but going into the game we simplified things a bit and just went out with the mindset that this was the start of our season.
"We've got a new coach, it's unfortunate what happened in the first half of the year but that's out of our control, there's nothing we can do about that and we just have to try and launch our season from here.
"We all know how to play footy. We just had to go back to playing for each other, enjoying each other's company out there and playing with a bit of spirit."
The Tigers, especially early on, played like a giant weight had been lifted from their shoulders as they blitzed the Eagles in their best first quarter of the season.
"There is a bit of that sense of relief, but that's all done now," Moore said of the coaching turmoil of the previous few months.
"We just have to concentrate on the second half of the season. We'll just go out there and play footy.
"That's what we're paid to do, that's what we enjoy doing and I think tonight we just showed what we can do when we play for each other and really look after each other out there."
Its one thing to play with a little more freedom of movement and flair, but it's something completely different to be able to dig in and see off a late challenge as these Tigers were able to do.
"They're a good team and we did miss our opportunities to be further ahead earlier," Moore said.
"They've got some experienced players out there and they kept coming at us. We managed to hold up down back which was great, but we have to play that each week now. It's no point playing like that tonight and then turning up and not doing the same next time."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78771/default.aspx
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I have to say I'm very concerned about Kel's form at the minute
Another average game last night to go with the last 4 or 5. Clearly the shoulder is an issue
Perhaps it's time to send him off for surgery, get it fixed and him right for 2010
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Hutchy just said the Hawks made a play for Moore as well as Rance. Seems we turned them down on both.
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Hutchy just said the Hawks made a play for Moore as well as Rance. Seems we turned them down on both.
Would have welcomed either approach to be honest.
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Hutchy just said the Hawks made a play for Moore as well as Rance. Seems we turned them down on both.
1 of the 2 should have been traded if the offer was right. Moore is 26/27 yo and expendable playing wise.
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Hutchy just said the Hawks made a play for Moore as well as Rance. Seems we turned them down on both.
I hope we're still entertaining offers for Kel Moore.
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Decent player, but we're pretty well stocked in defence and if we could get a good enough pick in return he's one I would consider trading.
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exactly. would be willing to let kel moore go at teh right price. i imagine hawthorn's offer wasn't good enough. i'd want at least their 2nd rounder.
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Yep, second rounder minimum from the Hawks.
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Yep, second rounder minimum from the Hawks.
I reckon they are looking to replace Trent Croad. Sounds like he's gone for good. It'd take years of development in a younger player to replace Moore so unless the deal was a good deal I wouldn't do it. And I haven't heard of hawthorn doing anybody any favours of late, it seems only Richmond and Freo do that.
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Slipping under the radar as far as media recognition but Kel as now a senior player is one of the keys to our improvement over the past 6 weeks. Clearly has had the better of Pav and Goodes. Back to his reliable 2008 form after a ordinary 2009 playing mostly with a crook shoulder.
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Slipping under the radar as far as media recognition but Kel as now a senior player is one of the keys to our improvement over the past 6 weeks. Clearly has had the better of Pav and Goodes. Back to his reliable 2008 form after a ordinary 2009 playing mostly with a crook shoulder.
Fully agree MT.
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Couldn't be a truer word spoken.
Kel has been amazing
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I still reckon we are better balanced with two of Thursty, McGuane and Moore and that is just what we will have to deal with. Kel is an old fashioned spoiler and at the moment he is picking up the opposition CHF and doing a great job. Sometimes with the three of them Kel gets a smaller forward and gets shown up for agility.
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Key backman Kelvin Moore's hip problem is likely to sideline him for another month.
"He is getting better," Hardwick said. "He's probably a couple of weeks away - maybe three or four.
"He's probably our best defender, so we look forward to getting him back ASAP."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110377/default.aspx
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Key backman Kelvin Moore's hip problem is likely to sideline him for another month.
"He is getting better," Hardwick said. "He's probably a couple of weeks away - maybe three or four.
"He's probably our best defender, so we look forward to getting him back ASAP."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110377/default.aspx
The mad one will poo his pants over this
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Key backman Kelvin Moore's hip problem is likely to sideline him for another month.
"He is getting better," Hardwick said. "He's probably a couple of weeks away - maybe three or four.
"He's probably our best defender, so we look forward to getting him back ASAP."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110377/default.aspx
Medical video coming tomorrow will go into greater detail.
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Key backman Kelvin Moore's hip problem is likely to sideline him for another month.
"He is getting better," Hardwick said. "He's probably a couple of weeks away - maybe three or four.
"He's probably our best defender, so we look forward to getting him back ASAP."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110377/default.aspx
The mad one will poo his pants over this
"He's probably our best defender".....enough said.
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Crap news
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Kel had a small arthroscope on his hip to fix some cartilage and he's improving quickly. He's now running strongly and doing light footy activities. He'll be back into full training in 1-2 weeks and it'll be the 3 week mark before he plays.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/343016/default.aspx
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Kel had a small arthroscope on his hip to fix some cartilage and he's improving quickly. He's now running strongly and doing light footy activities. He'll be back into full training in 1-2 weeks and it'll be the 3 week mark before he plays.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/343016/default.aspx
Probably unlikely he'll play anyway as Kel's missed so much footy and training but 3 weeks would have him back in time for the winnable North game.
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He must have missed a lot of work. My expectations aren't high for him this year.
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Extended recovery for Moore
by Adrian Ceddia
10:59 AM Thu 19 May, 2011
Key Richmond defender Kel Moore has been placed on the long-term injury list while he recovers from a hip injury.
The 27-year-old played 19 games in 2010 (for a total of 84), before undergoing surgery on his hip in the off-season.
Under the AFL rules for players on the long-term injury list, Moore will be sidelined for a minimum of eight weeks.
“Kel has had some issues with his hip in the past, which means we’ll be fairly conservative with him,” said Richmond’s Elite Performance Manager Matthew Hornsby.
“We have a thorough plan for his recovery, which he is responding to really well so far. He’s heading in the direction we want him to.”
The Club has yet to decide on upgrading a player from the rookie list to replace Moore.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/114234/default.aspx
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No surprises there, Hislop will be upgraded shortly
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No surprises there, Hislop will be upgraded shortly
:yep
No other rookie deserves it. Hislop on his last chance, they have to see if he anything to offer.
Hopefully Hardwick can do to him what he did to King and Nahas.
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Looking at the Rookie List no names really jump out. I don't think Hislop should be an automatic elevation. The opportunity should be used as a carrot for the whole Rookie List to work towards to achieve and if no one stands out then no one should be given the reward.
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Hislop will be elevated.
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hislop to play saturday night??
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Gets more shots on goal than Nason does and lays F50 tackles
can also rotate as an inside mid and put further pressure on the Dons lack of clearance winners
been in the Burger bests since coming back from injury...
wont be shocked if he is given his chance
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After so long out the game, even a fit, fast and skilled Sloppy would be struggling to keep up with the pace of play.
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Looking at the Rookie List no names really jump out. I don't think Hislop should be an automatic elevation. The opportunity should be used as a carrot for the whole Rookie List to work towards to achieve and if no one stands out then no one should be given the reward.
Hislop has been in the best for the Burgers for 3-4 weeks running? I think he will get the nod as he is showing some consistently good form down there.
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hislop to play saturday night??
Bullseye ;) ;)
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After so long out the game, even a fit, fast and skilled Sloppy would be struggling to keep up with the pace of play.
Sub :thumbsup
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Hello Tom :o :o
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agree with stripes
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Hislop will be elevated.
Yep. It'll give the list management a good half season to see if he'll make it or not.
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No surprises there, Hislop will be upgraded shortly
give the man a cigar...precisely...one more good game at VFL and I expect to see a return to senior ranks :gotigers
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Shame about Moore, real shame.
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Looking at the Rookie List no names really jump out. I don't think Hislop should be an automatic elevation. The opportunity should be used as a carrot for the whole Rookie List to work towards to achieve and if no one stands out then no one should be given the reward.
Spot on stripes. Hardwick said same thing at press conference.
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I'd consider Contin - very good pre-season, solid if not starring for Coburg
need to see if these kids can play in the big league
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Shame about Moore, real shame.
:thumbsup We need him out there :(
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I'd consider Contin - very good pre-season, solid if not starring for Coburg
need to see if these kids can play in the big league
me too esp bec hislops cant kick
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If I recall correctly Moore played under an injury cloud for most 2009 and had a very ordinary season.
Would a kelvin Moore going at 80% capacity be any better than what we have now ?
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If I recall correctly Moore played under an injury cloud for most 2009 and had a very ordinary season.
Would a kelvin Moore going at 80% capacity be any better than what we have now ?
IIRC Kel had a poor 2009 due to playing injured (shoulder) before he was rested. If he's not 100% then he's better off not playing.
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I'd consider Contin - very good pre-season, solid if not starring for Coburg
need to see if these kids can play in the big league
me too esp bec hislops cant kick
Yep I'll have Contin ahead of Hislop too long-term.
In any case I think after round 11 we'll be able to promote both if we wanted too. One because Kel is on the LTIL and the other because IIRC the AFL allows you to promote another rookie in the second-half of the season.
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A lot of people rate Moore higher than what his actual output is. He had one dynamic season but apart from that has been very ordinary imo.
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A lot of people rate Moore higher than what his actual output is. He had one dynamic season but apart from that has been very ordinary imo.
Send him to GWS for some 17 year olds. Not saying he isn't in our best, but you have to give something good to get something good. He isn't playing now and I think Astbury could be a replacement for him next year.
Am I dreaming ???
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A lot of people rate Moore higher than what his actual output is. He had one dynamic season but apart from that has been very ordinary imo.
I think a lot of people just rate his output higher than McGuane and Thursfield. Hardly worldbeaters those two.
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Shame about Moore, real shame.
:thumbsup We need him out there :(
We do Davey...I think we may have got over the line against the Saints had he played and maybe reduced the amount of goals scored against us this year.
Just goes to show what he means to the team.
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A lot of people rate Moore higher than what his actual output is. He had one dynamic season but apart from that has been very ordinary imo.
I think a lot of people just rate his output higher than McGuane and Thursfield. Hardly worldbeaters those two.
No argument from me on that front ;D
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This debate has been going round in circles, but I still think Moore, unencumbered by injury, is out best tall defender.
Can play a variety of roles in defense and is a reliable kick.
I personally would love to have Kel back in the team.
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hislop to play saturday night??
idiot
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A lot of people rate Moore higher than what his actual output is. He had one dynamic season but apart from that has been very ordinary imo.
agreed tm, 1 standout season apart from that, the balance of his games oscillating bw very ordinary to not too bad I'm not certain he'd make a massive difference to our side right now, gimmee a A grade ruckman and we will take a giant leap
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A lot of people rate Moore higher than what his actual output is. He had one dynamic season but apart from that has been very ordinary imo.
agreed tm, 1 standout season apart from that, the balance of his games oscillating bw very ordinary to not too bad I'm not certain he'd make a massive difference to our side right now, gimmee a A grade ruckman and we will take a giant leap
if we could somehow steal kruzer from the cheats it would be even better.
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Can confirm Kel Moore is out for the season
SOURCE = Horses mouth ;D
Foolish bloke told a pre-amatch function last night - he's going in to have surgery to have his hip joint re-aligned and wont be back unitl 2012.
Also Matt Dea spoke - hopes to start full training in the next 3 weeks and expects to have to play a minimum of 1 month at Coburg
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:police:
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Spoke to someone last night who claims to have connections to Kel's family.
He reckons that the injury isn't getting any better and Moorey will be forced into retirement.
really sad news if true.
Hope it's not, but it doesn't look good. :-\
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I have heard the exact same thing, Willy.
Has a structural problem with the bones in hip that can't be treated. I heard that from a RFC player.
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Sad for Kel is that's the case.
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I stuffing hope not :( We need him out there.
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hip injuries are pretty ordinary, not sure he would contemplate retirement, not 6 months since injury was sustained..and what 26yo ::)...seriously, gimmee a break
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Have heard similar.
This year is out for sure, beyond that?
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I heard that from a RFC player.
Between beer bongs? You're supposed to be pulling the kid into line.
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Gee I hope not.
IMHO a fit Kelvin Moore right now would have meant an extra 2-10 premiership points.
Add Grimes injury.......
Rance needs to find more consistency and ensure his best and worst are not that far apart.
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I heard that from a RFC player.
Between beer bongs? You're supposed to be pulling the kid into line.
:cheers
Actually a different one. Word is the young man has seen the light. Just in time.
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Here's Kel training in the new gym while promoting 'Skins' along with Matt Hornsby
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/359988/moores-second-skin/
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Read my hips: it's a slow road to recovery
Michael Gleeson
July 7, 2011
A MONTH ago, before his third hip operation this year, Richmond defender Kel Moore's playing days were in limbo.
Two operations in a month - one on each hip - and a positive meeting with his surgeon has given hope that the Tiger backman will return to senior football. But not this year.
The Richmond player will not be able to run again until at least October or November at the soonest. From there, it is a matter of building his body back to playing again. But at least he will play again and hopefully unrestricted and pain-free, which is a vast improvement on the outlook at the start of the season.
''I always thought I would get back, I am not sure they were as confident … everyone I spoke to said I needed this work done and I would have a very short career without it,'' he said.
Moore has had multiple operations on his hips since the end of last season. He had the first operation in September last year, another in February this year, then a third operation last month on the right hip and only last week the same operation on his left hip.
''The surgeon is now confident I will be back playing and so are the fitness and medical staff at the club,'' Moore said. ''The surgeons are confident now - and so am I - that I will be able to start running again in October-November. Then it is still a long road back after 12 months not playing to get the work in the legs and body.
''If I didn't love footy I would have hung up the boots and said, 'It is too hard'. But I love it and I have been through tough times at Richmond. I can see the good times coming and want to be here.''
Moore suffers from degenerative hips and has bone spurs that had worn away virtually all of the cartilage in the hip joints. The surgeons went in and shaved and smoothed the ball joint, which should provide some comfort and freedom of movement.
''I know I will need hip replacements in years to come … but hopefully these operations prolong that a bit too,'' he said.
''But the feeling was that if I got this work done, it would wipe out this year - but it should mean I can play for another two or three years.''
It was a case of less is Moore.
The news comes at a good time for the Tigers, whose difficulties in key defence were starkly illustrated on the weekend against Carlton in a performance coach that Damien Hardwick admitted was embarrassing and their worst of the season.
Richmond's problems in defence have been magnified by the injuries to Moore and young prospects Dylan Grimes, David Astbury and Ben Griffiths, who have all been denied the chance to add games of experience in the position. The club hopes the long-term key position roles will be filled by some, if not all, of these players.
Moore still hopes and expects that he can be one of those players.
A new and eye-opening experience during his recovery and rehab periods has been to spend time with the club's recruiters and forwards analysts. It has been part of his football education while his recent surgeries have forced him to put his ''work experience'' on hold with the Victoria Police - a job he is sampling with a view to what might happen next in life.
After his last meeting with his surgeon, he is hoping he has several more years crossing the white line before possibly joining the thin blue one.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/read-my-hips-its-a-slow-road-to-recovery-20110706-1h2j5.html#ixzz1RKrTYBxL
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Hopefully his hips hold up once he gets back into it next season.
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Sounds like he's been hanging out with Shakira for too long
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Well I for one really hope he gets back on the field.....important part of our backline IMO.
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poor cad. he is in for some serious pain later in life
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Can we swap him for Andrew Moore and hope that Port don't even notice?
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Sounds like he's been hanging out with Shakira for too long
better than melissa tkautz
seems like a lot of effort for maybe only 2-3 years more footy, and you'd imagine one of those years would basically be reconditioning
all the best to him though
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Very little chance he'll have much of a footy career from here on.
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We've missed him this season. Rance has stepped up, but he's had next to no support ever since Grimes went down injured. The thought of Moore, Rance and Grimes being our core back 3 does have some appeal!
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Very little chance he'll have much of a footy career from here on.
Mobility will be diminished. Up until last year was our most flexible defender.
We've missed him this season. Rance has stepped up, but he's had next to no support ever since Grimes went down injured. The thought of Moore, Rance and Grimes being our core back 3 does have some appeal!
It did earlier in the season when we hit our purple patch in April May and maybe a part of me still hopes for it but as MM mentioned his best footy may be behind him especially with a year out adjusting to the pace of the game.
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Delist
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poor cad. he is in for some serious pain later in life
yep, should give it away now, put his feet up and enjoy life, poor bugger
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Poor bastard he's finished, if he was a race horse you might put a bullet in him.
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Nah, he hasn't been gelded :P
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what would he be worth on the trade table now, wonder if anyone else has read this :shh
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Nah, he hasn't been gelded :P
Gold Al :lol :rollin :lol
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We've missed him this season. Rance has stepped up, but he's had next to no support ever since Grimes went down injured. The thought of Moore, Rance and Grimes being our core back 3 does have some appeal!
rance. Grimes. Astbury. Might be the go but every outside rance (touch wood) seems to have injury.
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We need another KPP defender. Need to get him in the draft.
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Kel on Fox Sports ....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/375481/kel-moore-on-fox-sports/
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Moore good news
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Thu 28 Jul, 2011
Finally, after a horror year on the injury front, some light is starting to beam in that infamous long, dark tunnel for key Richmond defender Kelvin Moore.
The 27-year-old veteran of 84 AFL games has been sidelined all season with a severe hip complaint that, at one stage, even placed his long-term playing future under threat.
But, in a Fox Sports interview, which is currently showing on Richmond’s website, an upbeat Moore revealed how he had now turned the corner in his injury battle . . .
“In the last six months, I’ve had four [hip] operations - four on my right side and two on my left,” he said.
“I’ve got degenerative hips at the moment, where they’ve been wearing out, I suppose, quicker than the average hip. So, it’s been a bit of bone on bone, just grinding away over the years.
“It came to a head after Round 22 last year when I went in for some surgery and it didn’t come good. I’ve been in and out of hospital ever since, really.
“It’s been a long road, but I’m keen to go through the rehab. process and get back out there. I had my last lot of surgery a week and a half ago, so I’m off crutches and now I’m ready to start my rehab. program.
“I’ve been told that I will be able to come and play next year, so that’s some positive news that I haven’t had in a while . . . I’ve been trying to stay positive and I think if I can stay positive, then it will give me the best opportunity to come and play.”
Moore, who finished eighth in the Tigers’ Best and Fairest in 2010, has used his time away from the playing field this year to broaden his football horizons . . .
“I have had a role within the Club . . . I’ve been doing a bit of opposition analysis with Blair Hartley, going along to the games of our upcoming opposition, watching them, and trying to work out how they play,” he said.
“I’ve also had a chat with some of the recruiting guys, and they’ve given me a bit of footage on some under-18 guys that we might be interested in. Some of them are backmen, so they like to get my opinion on whether I think they’re any good or not.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/119635/default.aspx
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OMG, so now Kel Moore gets a say in our recruiting! God help us...
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OMG, so now Kel Moore gets a say in our recruiting! God help us...
facepalm - its a croc TFT.
I really dont think Kel Moore should play again - the poor bastard will require hip replacements at 40, leave him be!
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OMG, so now Kel Moore gets a say in our recruiting! God help us...
why so two dogs, nothing else has worked :o
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OMG, so now Kel Moore gets a say in our recruiting! God help us...
why so two dogs, nothing else has worked :o
So true Bojo, could be a great way to save some bucks! Let's get rid of Francis Jackson and just let the players choose who they want to play with next season ;D why don't we go a step further and let them delist themselves as well, that should make for and interesting end to the season ;D
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They should cut their losses with Kel and open the spot on the list.
Chances of making it back let alone playing good football for a sustained period is very unlikely.
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They should cut their losses with Kel and open the spot on the list.
Chances of making it back let alone playing good football for a sustained period is very unlikely.
GWS him, if we can.
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To all those who say we dont need to poach a key back, behold this and Thursfields imminent departure.
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They should cut their losses with Kel and open the spot on the list.
Chances of making it back let alone playing good football for a sustained period is very unlikely.
GWS him, if we can.
They won't take a player with degenerative hips.
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They won't take a player with degenerative hips.
Will they take a degenerate? We could get a good pick for Gerks.
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Trade me to north. I want to meet that rubber chicken and his missus.
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Mail about that doctors have advised him that he shouldnt play again.
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Mail about that doctors have advised him that he shouldnt play again.
Really :o :o that's a surprise NOT
;D
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another player thats wasted away
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Really? Will that force Moore to retirement?
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Really? Will that force Moore to retirement?
Hip problem
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another player thats wasted away
Another player that the club played when injured (read 2010) when there was absolutely no need to
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Heard julia Bullard might be under pressure.
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Heard julia Bullard might be under pressure.
whats that got to do with Kels bad hip ?
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Mail about that doctors have advised him that he shouldnt play again.
nice source you got there
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Mail about that doctors have advised him that he shouldnt play again.
nice source you got there
Unless it was you I spoke to on phone today that also confirmed what the doctors have told him ;)
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Heard julia Bullard might be under pressure.
whats that got to do with Kels bad hip ?
Both came from the same source
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I heard Osama could be in a bit of trouble....
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Heard julia Bullard might be under pressure.
whats that got to do with Kels bad hip ?
Both came from the same source
You must be the nurse then ??? :o :o :o
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another player thats wasted away
Another player that the club played when injured (read 2010) when there was absolutely no need to
To go along with Johnson, Cousins, Richardson, Foley, McGuane and Browne.
Still remember Johnson as captain playing with such a bad hand in 2008 that he was eventually going one handed.
Don't think there's too much intelligence at the Richmond Football department.
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Heard julia Bullard might be under pressure.
whats that got to do with Kels bad hip ?
Both came from the same source
You must be the nurse then ??? :o :o :o
Nope. captain obvious :help
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I fear for Kel Moore though. Four hip ops in a year. Not a great sign
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/how-dane-swan-won-the-brownlow-without-stats/story-fn6cisdj-1226148277509
I have the same concerns that he might not be the same or be able to improve more due to all the op's.
Fingers crossed he comes right though
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I feel Kel won't be the same player either and one of two scenarios with the same ultimate conclusion will play out
a) Will attempt a comeback from injury and will play for Coburg and then possibly Richmond but his body won't cope with the demand and he will retire
b) Body won't handle the stress and he will never get his hips right and he'll retire without a playing comeback.
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yeah i fear kel moore is cooked, shame was a talented player
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I wouldnt care if he was a dud.
I feel for anyone that has to go through what he will, let alone those that endure it at such a young age.
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I wouldnt care if he was a dud.
I feel for anyone that has to go through what he will, let alone those that endure it at such a young age.
thats it, all the moore a shame coz he was a talented player ::)
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thats it, all the moore a shame coz he was a talented player ::)
^ yeah i see what you did there ;)
in the words of metallica "sad but true"...think he could be done - hopefully get proven wrong but fear his best days are behind him....
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I think "absence makes the heart grow fonder" and the longer he's out the team the better we remember he was. in reality an OK player, but not an enormous lost if he doesn't make it back
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delist. he's not going to make it back to the level required - which in reality is above the level he was playing at before injury. need the list space.
sorry champ.
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delist. he's not going to make it back to the level required - which in reality is above the level he was playing at before injury. need the list space.
sorry champ.
Trade or delist.
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Would think it should be as I posted elsewhere a quality of life in the future issue for Kel now.
He might want to keep going but seriously at what cost to his future quality of life after footy?
Seriously, the decision shouldn't be his to make because he'll keep tryign to come back.
For mine the RFC need to consider his long term future after footy and make a what actually isn't thaty tough of a call
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Agree WP
If we'd made the GF this year and Moorey thought he had a chance at a flag next year, fair enough
needs to look after himself and retire
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Im in the same boat as Billy on this.
Im also concerned at the number of hip problems that seem to happening at the club.
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Agree WP,
Time for the club to be compassionate on Kel's life after footy and pull the plug on his playing career and offer him an off field role so he can still stay involved in footy. :thumbsup
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Agree with all of the above, he will do his darndest to play again, make the decision for him tigers, think of his quality of life
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He is back in the burgers. Seems keen to break back in :clapping. Our back line is either feast or famine.
Be great if someone can let me know how he goes this weekend
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/137816/default.aspx
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Yeah hooray lets drop rance or Griffiths or Grimes or Bach or dea for another mguane type in moore. No way noise will never adjust to the pace of the game today ... Footy leaves no passengers behind
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He played nothing like McGuane, x.
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He was a touch better than mguane but they were similar is style size etc... We have a settled back six AK why tamper with it
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McGuane is a panic merchant. Moorey has a cool nog.
Hope he gets back to the level, would be a handy backup, and we can ass McGuane
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Back line is tight, no one is getting dropped. However, there is nothing wrong with players trying to break in and put some healthy pressure on the senior boys. Maintains some tenacity and 4 quarter efforts if there are others nipping at your heels.
All said and done it would be good for him just to have an influence on the up and comers
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agree with Gerks
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VIDEO: Moore returns to training
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/450668/default.aspx
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Moore would be a great player for coburg
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What's all the negative the stuff for Moore?? Rating him to McGuane please :P.Before he got injuries he was a decent defender for us .He would line up against the best forwards with effect.People have short memory bigtime.He was always playing above his weight and height and I cant remember him getting outsmart by Fev ,Franklin etc.Would love him back.
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VIDEO: Moore returns to training
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/450668/default.aspx
Vid is 3 weeks old dude
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What's all the negative the stuff for Moore?? Rating him to McGuane please :P.Before he got injuries he was a decent defender for us .He would line up against the best forwards with effect.People have short memory bigtime.He was always playing above his weight and height and I cant remember him getting outsmart by Fev ,Franklin etc.Would love him back.
I don't think it's so much negativity directed at him personally but more-so at his capabilities and potential compared to our current defenders. Moore was always a solid defender but is undersized for the tall forwards of the comp. He would fill a role similar to Batchelor now but I believe Batch has far better marking and disposal to Kelvin. Rance, Grimes and Griffiths have him covered already and they are only infants in typical defender experience.
To many Moore represents a bad memory and I just can't see him pushing out any of our current defenders despite being a top bloke. :'(
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Yeah hooray lets drop rance or Griffiths or Grimes or Bach or dea for another mguane type in moore. No way noise will never adjust to the pace of the game today ... Footy leaves no passengers behind
hmm batch is not a tall the way hes fumbled lately i wonder if hes a player at times.
seems to me grimes is hurt and not playing its been a theme . grimesy is a skinny runt atm and i bet he will suffer more than his fair share of injuries because of it.
if moore was fit and got back into form he would be a handy reolacement for grimes atm.
i dont know much about his injuries but i figure if he was playing under duress before the ops and the ops have fixed him and allows him to play pain free there would be a chance he can come back better than before. me i thought he lost some pace and he was struggling because of it. obviously his hips affected the way he ran and his pace. if he does get back theres every chance we will have an even better player than before.
thats it though long time out, can he get back to form. is he over the problem, can he play without doing any further harm? if yes to these questions hes a badly needed experienced player who offers us depth down back.
if the answer is no then we should do him a favor and make him retire.
not one of us knows the real story. we can only assume the club would have cut him long before this if they thought he could not get back or if the medical prognosis was he cant get back.sometimes even i have to trust their word.
even if we keep kel and he does get back to form hes not the type we lack. i think we should be targeting a different type of kpd one about 195/ 100kg if possible. depth and cover is what we are now looking for.
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yeah he's pulled two hamstrings dues to his lack of size
FFS
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yeah he's pulled two hamstrings dues to his lack of size
FFS
yep, thats a new one for me. you learn something new ever day i suppose ::)
on batch's supposed fumbling, after last weeks game he said it was the fastest he has played in.
three weeks or so ago he was being lauded for his ability to take back line marks.
how many games has the kid played.......?
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Yeah hooray lets drop rance or Griffiths or Grimes or Bach or dea for another mguane type in moore. No way noise will never adjust to the pace of the game today ... Footy leaves no passengers behind
hmm batch is not a tall the way hes fumbled lately i wonder if hes a player at times.
seems to me grimes is hurt and not playing its been a theme . grimesy is a skinny runt atm and i bet he will suffer more than his fair share of injuries because of it.
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/72249/2291482-not_sure_if_serious.jpg)
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I just get the feeling Kel might struggle with the pace of the game and may call stumps for his own benefit and the clubs. Club should keep him on in an off field capacity.
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Back line is tight, no one is getting dropped. However, there is nothing wrong with players trying to break in and put some healthy pressure on the senior boys. Maintains some tenacity and 4 quarter efforts if there are others nipping at your heels.
All said and done it would be good for him just to have an influence on the up and comers
x 2
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Back line is tight, no one is getting dropped. However, there is nothing wrong with players trying to break in and put some healthy pressure on the senior boys. Maintains some tenacity and 4 quarter efforts if there are others nipping at your heels.
All said and done it would be good for him just to have an influence on the up and comers
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I would agree with both and perhaps that has been the intention all along?
I've always thought that this was about achieving the goal of being able to returnto his previous condition/fitness. I know that it doesn't make sense to put all that hard work into surgery/ recovery and training just to get back to peak fitness and not play... Imo I've always thought that the club was prepared to stick by him 100% to get back on track and then take it from there.
If he does retire it could be one of the greatest non comebacks of all time
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Batchelor is only a 2nd year player.
To fumble once in a blue moon is not too bad. Hes a solid player
Yeah hooray lets drop rance or Griffiths or Grimes or Bach or dea for another mguane type in moore. No way noise will never adjust to the pace of the game today ... Footy leaves no passengers behind
hmm batch is not a tall the way hes fumbled lately i wonder if hes a player at times.
seems to me grimes is hurt and not playing its been a theme . grimesy is a skinny runt atm and i bet he will suffer more than his fair share of injuries because of it.
if moore was fit and got back into form he would be a handy reolacement for grimes atm.
i dont know much about his injuries but i figure if he was playing under duress before the ops and the ops have fixed him and allows him to play pain free there would be a chance he can come back better than before. me i thought he lost some pace and he was struggling because of it. obviously his hips affected the way he ran and his pace. if he does get back theres every chance we will have an even better player than before.
thats it though long time out, can he get back to form. is he over the problem, can he play without doing any further harm? if yes to these questions hes a badly needed experienced player who offers us depth down back.
if the answer is no then we should do him a favor and make him retire.
not one of us knows the real story. we can only assume the club would have cut him long before this if they thought he could not get back or if the medical prognosis was he cant get back.sometimes even i have to trust their word.
even if we keep kel and he does get back to form hes not the type we lack. i think we should be targeting a different type of kpd one about 195/ 100kg if possible. depth and cover is what we are now looking for.
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Nope. Taken to early :banghead
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Good luck Kel, inspirational to get back to VFL level footy, and hopefully can build a form base over the next 6 to 8 weeks (if Coburg ever play again) to bring some experience around the club in the lead-up to August.
Just cannot say September yet .... :cheers
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Yeah hooray lets drop rance or Griffiths or Grimes or Bach or dea for another mguane type in moore. No way noise will never adjust to the pace of the game today ... Footy leaves no passengers behind
hmm batch is not a tall the way hes fumbled lately i wonder if hes a player at times.
seems to me grimes is hurt and not playing its been a theme . grimesy is a skinny runt atm and i bet he will suffer more than his fair share of injuries because of it.
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/72249/2291482-not_sure_if_serious.jpg)
Fry says what we all thinkin' :clapping
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Coburg could have a big back line
Darrou. Wright. Moore.
X. Astbury. X
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lol at some here. the slighest hint of criticism of a player and out comes the vitriol. batch has had heaps of games where the fumles have reigned supreme. i mention it now becuse i think someone should its been going on long enough.
on grimes hes skinny oh no shoot me because i stated the obvious. if he stays skinny playing against much bigger players the injuries will come. thats all ive said hes punching out of his weight division and people get upset.bloody hell i thought it was obvious. beware any poster on here dont dare critiicse or say what is obvious the ferals jump on ya.
now back to what i said if moore can get back to form is actually over his problems and can do no long term damage to his body he would be an ideal backup experienced player for grimes. as i said grimes is injured again, a fit and in form moore would be a more than handy backup. it all comes back to that thing called depth a commodity we have little of.
thing is you lot just ignore all that and focus on a justifiable criticism of one of our players. you all see the fumbles but you all put your heads up your behinds and pretend they dont happen. when someone does point out whats happening you get all upset its so funny watch.
if you people havent seen him fumble in many games i suggest you open your eyes up i can tell its not an occasional thing.
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Grimes isn't skinny anymore. Pull your head in.
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Grimes isn't skinny anymore. Pull your head in.
lol he sure is why pull the head in its the truth and obvious. dylan is about 7 kg away from where he needs to be. we played moore all his career punching out of his weight division and his whole career he battled injuries. size wise kelvin is bigger than grimesy.
im not saying play moore in front of him or anyone else but i am saying if fit and capable hes sure good back up for that third tall role. i dont get all the angst just stating the bleeding obvious.
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When Grimes gets injured due to his size then you can tell us this. He's a good 90kgs at least.
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When Grimes gets injured due to his size then you can tell us this. He's a good 90kgs at least.
193/87 and looks it.
i can tell you it anytime i like im on the internet. i would have thought it would be obvious that grimes does run a higher risk of contact injuries while hes playing against much bigger blokes undersized. again its not criticism just stating the obvious yet theres ferals get their backs up.
this thread is about moore someone mentioned batchelor and someone mentioned grimes. well moore and grimes are the two players and only two players on the list vieing for the third tall role imo. batchelor because a lack of depth has been forced into that role.
in two or three weeks when grimes is fit he will play the third tall alongside rance and griffiths if one of them is not injured.
ive said on here and quite often that if grimes can add bulk he is a natural FB. UNTIL HE GETS THE BULK HE SHOULD PLAY AS THE THIRD TALL. Even if hes capable of holding down a kpd post which he is, as moore has shown he can as well imo its not ideal.
i not only would like moore to get back to his best, bloody hell he is just one of 9 players in the 25+ age bracket we sure can do with his experience, but id like us over the next couple of drafts to go out and get a genuine 195/100 kg fb if possible. id also like us to take a tall defender in the nd and develop him without pressure of having to play asap.
yep i dont get what all you people get so antsy about.
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Im with coach on this . Claw uhkfi
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195...
Bit like david astbury :huh
When Grimes gets injured due to his size then you can tell us this. He's a good 90kgs at least.
193/87 and looks it.
i can tell you it anytime i like im on the internet. i would have thought it would be obvious that grimes does run a higher risk of contact injuries while hes playing against much bigger blokes undersized. again its not criticism just stating the obvious yet theres ferals get their backs up.
this thread is about moore someone mentioned batchelor and someone mentioned grimes. well moore and grimes are the two players and only two players on the list vieing for the third tall role imo. batchelor because a lack of depth has been forced into that role.
in two or three weeks when grimes is fit he will play the third tall alongside rance and griffiths if one of them is not injured.
ive said on here and quite often that if grimes can add bulk he is a natural FB. UNTIL HE GETS THE BULK HE SHOULD PLAY AS THE THIRD TALL. Even if hes capable of holding down a kpd post which he is, as moore has shown he can as well imo its not ideal.
i not only would like moore to get back to his best, bloody hell he is just one of 9 players in the 25+ age bracket we sure can do with his experience, but id like us over the next couple of drafts to go out and get a genuine 195/100 kg fb if possible. id also like us to take a tall defender in the nd and develop him without pressure of having to play asap.
yep i dont get what all you people get so antsy about.
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
(http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news_imagesize.asp?imagefile=/images/07/r3-4.jpg)
::) :lol
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sheesh
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Im with coach on this . Claw uhkfi
most on here tell me that and side with their mates. sort of expected really.
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
(http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news_imagesize.asp?imagefile=/images/07/r3-4.jpg)
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
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When Grimes gets injured due to his size then you can tell us this. He's a good 90kgs at least.
193/87 and looks it.
i can tell you it anytime i like im on the internet. i would have thought it would be obvious that grimes does run a higher risk of contact injuries while hes playing against much bigger blokes undersized. again its not criticism just stating the obvious yet theres ferals get their backs up.
this thread is about moore someone mentioned batchelor and someone mentioned grimes. well moore and grimes are the two players and only two players on the list vieing for the third tall role imo. batchelor because a lack of depth has been forced into that role.
in two or three weeks when grimes is fit he will play the third tall alongside rance and griffiths if one of them is not injured.
ive said on here and quite often that if grimes can add bulk he is a natural FB. UNTIL HE GETS THE BULK HE SHOULD PLAY AS THE THIRD TALL. Even if hes capable of holding down a kpd post which he is, as moore has shown he can as well imo its not ideal.
i not only would like moore to get back to his best, bloody hell he is just one of 9 players in the 25+ age bracket we sure can do with his experience, but id like us over the next couple of drafts to go out and get a genuine 195/100 kg fb if possible. id also like us to take a tall defender in the nd and develop him without pressure of having to play asap.
yep i dont get what all you people get so antsy about.
So if Brian Lake was available???
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Im with coach on this . Claw uhkfi
most on here tell me that and side with their mates. sort of expected really.
coach and i are not mates , lmao, he cant stand me and bags me all the time and i well i dont even know him but love the banter and poo stirring , but your comment is way off mark
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
(http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news_imagesize.asp?imagefile=/images/07/r3-4.jpg)
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
played a lot of his career as a KPP no bigger than his is now
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
Just finished watching all the Essendon games from 2012 twice. Fletcher doesn't always play third tall.
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Kel on the RFC website talking about his first game back at any level ....
“I was just glad to have a run around after spending so long on the sidelines,” Moore said.
“For me, it was just about having half a game and seeing how I pulled up.
“I’m feeling good now, which is the most pleasing aspect.
“It was actually good to feel the hits and take a few tackles in a competitive game, which is something I’ve missed.
“I’ll look to build on that again this week and see where it takes me.”
Full article here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/138379/default.aspx
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So far it's taken him to an error riddled irrelevance at senior level.
Looks lost, decision making tentative and hurried.
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sheesh give the bloke a break ..he could barely walk 12 months ago
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sheesh give the bloke a break ..he could barely walk 12 months ago
Tough game football.
Kel's done extremely well to get back to playing senior football but all romanticism aside, I'd be delisting him at year's end.
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He's been good.
Give him a chance. He's the Big Pappi of our club.
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When Grimes gets injured due to his size then you can tell us this. He's a good 90kgs at least.
193/87 and looks it.
i can tell you it anytime i like im on the internet. i would have thought it would be obvious that grimes does run a higher risk of contact injuries while hes playing against much bigger blokes undersized. again its not criticism just stating the obvious yet theres ferals get their backs up.
this thread is about moore someone mentioned batchelor and someone mentioned grimes. well moore and grimes are the two players and only two players on the list vieing for the third tall role imo. batchelor because a lack of depth has been forced into that role.
in two or three weeks when grimes is fit he will play the third tall alongside rance and griffiths if one of them is not injured.
ive said on here and quite often that if grimes can add bulk he is a natural FB. UNTIL HE GETS THE BULK HE SHOULD PLAY AS THE THIRD TALL. Even if hes capable of holding down a kpd post which he is, as moore has shown he can as well imo its not ideal.
i not only would like moore to get back to his best, bloody hell he is just one of 9 players in the 25+ age bracket we sure can do with his experience, but id like us over the next couple of drafts to go out and get a genuine 195/100 kg fb if possible. id also like us to take a tall defender in the nd and develop him without pressure of having to play asap.
yep i dont get what all you people get so antsy about.
So if Brian Lake was available???
brian lake had a bad run last yr and was on the outer i thought there was a good chance they would let him go cheap. was all for us getting him as long as we didnt pay too much to get him.
just like i dont have a problem with us taking a bloke like moloney psd or late nd or have a crack at merrett free agency. cost is the key in getting them. age doesnt come into it.
bradshaw was another and i would have thrown fev a life line. what was there to lose nearly all late nd picks are failures as iare psd and rookie picks.
unlike most on here i dont have a problem with a short term fix just so long as we look after the long term while we are at it.
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
(http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news_imagesize.asp?imagefile=/images/07/r3-4.jpg)
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
played a lot of his career as a KPP no bigger than his is now
that he did havent said otherwise but essendon had the option of not playing him on the big heavy blokes. wellman who was a damn good chb and sheedys love child wallis played on the big blokes in the main.
i suppose you think its okay to play an 87 kg player on the monsters week in week out it isnt ideal and you should have the option. at 198cm fletcher at least had height and reach that allowed him to stay out of body on body contests in the main.
a 100kg body ripping into a 87kg i know which one will break first.
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
Just finished watching all the Essendon games from 2012 twice. Fletcher doesn't always play third tall.
your right hes capable of playing kp he been capable of it all his career.
just like moore whos 190cm/90kg but played most of his career at about 86kg and grimes 193cm/ 87kg can play kp. but it isnt ideal pitting them up against 195cm/ 100 kg players. but hey if you think it is ideal fine.
i see petrie tore us new one again on the weekend.
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I'd agree with you Claw if Grimes was suffering broken ribs or some sort of contact injury from a bigger bloke. But the fact is every time he has been injured he has pinged his hammy. That has nothing to do with the size of the player his playing on.
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
Just finished watching all the Essendon games from 2012 twice. Fletcher doesn't always play third tall.
your right hes capable of playing kp he been capable of it all his career.
just like moore whos 190cm/90kg but played most of his career at about 86kg and grimes 193cm/ 87kg can play kp. but it isnt ideal pitting them up against 195cm/ 100 kg players. but hey if you think it is ideal fine.
i see petrie tore us new one again on the weekend.
Thanks for waiting almost 2 months to back my argument up. It's been worth It.
See you in September :clapping
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Claw has got something there re the weight issue - I'd suggest the Bombers sack this bloke ASAP:
::) :lol
lol where does that bloke play most of the time oh thats right third tall. hooker and pears play on the big blokes.thanks for making my point.
Just finished watching all the Essendon games from 2012 twice. Fletcher doesn't always play third tall.
your right hes capable of playing kp he been capable of it all his career.
just like moore whos 190cm/90kg but played most of his career at about 86kg and grimes 193cm/ 87kg can play kp. but it isnt ideal pitting them up against 195cm/ 100 kg players. but hey if you think it is ideal fine.
i see petrie tore us new one again on the weekend.
Thanks for waiting almost 2 months to back my argument up. It's been worth It.
See you in September :clapping
pray tell what nonsense of yours have i backed up. im not sure you have even made a point on this thread so noone knows what you think.
all ive said is its far better to have a like size player play on a like sized player in the key positions. you only need look at every other list in the comp to see they think the same.
ad - rutten
br - merrett maguire,
ca - watson jamison
co brown keefe reid.
all 100kg or close to it do i need to go thru them all. i think you get the point. oh i see where your coming from you thinlk we can buck the trend good for you.
with rance and friffiths atm or a kpd in free agency and we are looking for one still. there is no need to throw grimes up against the monsters let him play as the third tall until he has the size and strength to play on the monsters. if you agree with that well im happy to back up your argument.
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Hip hooray
By Paul Daffey
Sat 28 Jul, 2012
RICHMOND defender Kelvin Moore is one of a kind, not that he's too pleased with the fact.
As far as he knows, he's the only player who's been through a hip reconstruction.
In all, Moore has had 10 operations on his hips, culminating in "the big one", as he calls, in which his pelvis was broken to enable a reconfiguring of the hips' components.
It's this operation that made it possible for him to return to the Richmond line-up against Gold Coast in round 16 after a season and a half on the sidelines.
"I think I'm a guinea pig," Moore told AFL.com.au.
» Click here to view Kelvin Moore's career stats
"I don't think there's any other players who've had the same operation. I'm a bit of a first, I think."
Moore's essential problem is that he has shallow hip sockets.
This means that his hip joints sat slightly out of the sockets, creating wear and tear on the bone and cartilage surrounding the joint.
Long before his final operation, Moore was in constant pain because of his degenerative hips.
Increasingly, he was unable to twist and turn on the footy field.
From 2008 he had several arthroscopes to clean out flotsam and bone spurs that had grown around the joint, but these were only ever stopgap measures.
"It wasn't fixing the underlying problem, which was that the hip wasn't sitting right," he said.
The pain continued to the extent that he found it difficult to complete chores at home let alone play for the Tigers.
After playing in the final round in 2010, Moore sought advice from surgeons.
Some said he'd never play again. Melbourne surgeon David Young, however, suggested the procedure in which the hips were to be broken to allow the sockets to be cut out and rotated.
"When you love footy so much you'll almost do anything to play again," Moore said.
He had three operations to prepare his hips for the ultimate operation.
Finally, in mid-2011, it was performed. And so began several painful months and a long rehabilitation.
For the first month Moore packed a backpack full of books and an iPad and food and drinks to take to the couch because once he got there he was unable to move.
At the end of the day he took his backpack up the steps of his Northcote townhouse and went to sleep.
For six months he barely moved. His girlfriend Kelly was a huge help, but he became lonely as he sat out days alone while she was at work.
He tried to remain involved in footy by doing opposition analysis work for the Tigers, but found it difficult.
"When it's in the back of your mind that you might not play again, it's hard to concentrate on things like that," he said.
On being able to move, Moore had to work to build up his wasted muscles. He also had to educate his muscles and tendons to deal with the reconfiguration of his hips.
Early in 2012, he began jogging — and jogging. His training partner was fellow defender David Astbury, who was recovering from a knee reconstruction.
A constant sight at Punt Road during the pre-season was the sight of Moore and Astbury doing endless laps of the oval.
The pair became close during their shared recuperation.
"It takes your friendship to a new level because you're seriously doing everything together," he said.
Six weeks ago, Moore made his comeback to the field in a match with the Coburg reserves. After failing to lay his hands on the ball for 20 minutes, he began to find his touch.
The 28-year-old played two games with the Coburg reserves and two with the seniors.
Through it all, he never felt as if he'd lost his ability to play; gradually he grew more confident that his hips would hold up.
Richmond, meanwhile, was going through a tall defender crisis, with Dylan Grimes and Jake Batchelor being struck down by injury.
After just a month with Coburg, Moore was selected to add to his 84 AFL games by being name to play in defence against Gold Coast.
He then followed up by playing against North Melbourne last weekend.
"I never felt I couldn't play any more," he said.
"It was more a matter of whether my hip would hold up, and I'm lucky that it has.
"It's felt really good, actually."
Moore's form in those two games has been moderate. He said he's been happy to play a role in the team structure.
He comes out of contract at the end of the season, but he'll worry about that then. At this stage, he's glad just to be doing something he loves.
"You don't realise how much you love Richmond and that team environment," he said.
"You really can't describe how it is to run out with your mates."
Apart from the small blip immediately after the operation when he suffered a loss of confidence in his future, one of Moore's main traits has been his positive mind frame.
It's that disposition that's enabled Moore to get through a debilitating injury of the type that had never previously been faced down by an AFL player.
"There's a lot of people who are less fortunate than myself," he said. "You've just to put a smile on your face and do what you have to do."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/142825/default.aspx
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Moore is finished
Great bloke 10/10 guy but he's done. 100% done.
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The longer he was out, the bigger his rep grew, was never much chop tbh, had one big season thats it
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Big clean-out at the end of the year with: Post,Maric,Webberley,White,McGuane, Miller, Derricx and Moore in the gun and Connors/McDonald already gone.
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Has better hips than Pia Miller
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confirms another suspicion
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Yawn
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yep, nap time for the little ones.
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I would have thought theyd like a couple more games to look at moore, he was pretty encouraging there, not completely out of the woods but showed enough to suggest he could fill a role on the list...hard to believe mcguane was kept in side ahead of him
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I would have thought theyd like a couple more games to look at moore, he was pretty encouraging there, not completely out of the woods but showed enough to suggest he could fill a role on the list...hard to believe mcguane was kept in side ahead of him
yep good post he wont be axed. again what should the expectations have been on him. walk straight in after two yrs and dominate lol it was never going to happen.
he was always going to take time to find his feet. and your spot on his performances are encouraging.
we have few older experienced players and after persevering with him for two yrs they will give him time to show he can still play at an acceptable level.
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Moore is finished
Yep.