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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: wayne on September 01, 2009, 05:15:57 PM
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Ox on SEN just mentioned it
Now he said that Rance has asked to be traded home to Brisbane (??).
His manager has confirmed this, and they're working on it now.
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Schwarz on SEN just said Alex Rance has asked to be traded. He then says back to Brisbane? ??? Surely he means Raines. Rance is from WA.
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Schwarz on SEN just said Alex Rance has asked to be traded. He then says back to Brisbane? ??? Surely he means Raines. Rance is from WA.
I am guessing it's Raines as well.
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Lets get something in return for both actually,
Rance is too slow and Raines wants out anyway
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Schwarz has corrected it to Rainesy. Rainesy wants out and be traded to Brisbane. Brisbane have rang in to confirm.
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Realistically what do you think he is worth to them?
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Realistically what do you think he is worth to them?
Phillip Walsh :P
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;D knew this was coming
some unhappy players down at Tigerland
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Realistically what do you think he is worth to them?
3rd round pick if that.
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;D knew this was coming
some unhappy players down at Tigerland
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Not sure how Raines is entitled to be unhappy
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Raines :lol no-one would know his even gone :rollin
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They should all be unhappy after their "effort" this year :scream.
Realistically what do you think he is worth to them?
3rd round pick if that.
Brisbane (at the moment) have picks 12, 28, 44, 60. Pick 28 sounds a more likely deal. Rainesy is still rated by the media going by Robbo today. Pick 44 is cheap for the Lions in a compromised draft and 12 is wishful thinking on our part.
Give us picks 3, 19, 28, 35, 51, .....
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They should all be unhappy after their "effort" this year :scream.
Realistically what do you think he is worth to them?
3rd round pick if that.
Brisbane (at the moment) have picks 12, 28, 44, 60. Pick 28 sounds a more likely deal. Rainesy is still rated by the media going by Robbo today. Pick 44 is cheap for the Lions in a compromised draft and 12 is wishful thinking on our part.
Give us picks 3, 19, 28, 35, 51, .....
Pick 28 would be a good result for us.
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;D knew this was coming
some unhappy players down at Tigerland
who cares, our players took us to 15th this year, if they want out they can pee off.
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;D knew this was coming
some unhappy players down at Tigerland
who cares, our players took us to 15th this year, if they want out they can pee off.
3 years of being injured/out of form after one good year. Yep it's no real shock.
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;D knew this was coming
some unhappy players down at Tigerland
who cares, our players took us to 15th this year, if they want out they can pee off.
Agree,
Its funny some people think he is worth pick 28,
Your dreamers, same people bagged the crap out of him all year, now he a 2nd round pick, please.
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It's a compromised draft Jack. One third of the kids (d.o.b. Jan-Apr 1992) are ineligible. So pick 28 would be about pick 40 in a normal draft. You'd be surprised also that some still rate Raines especially in the media based on his rising star year and blame his injuries and Richmond's poor development.
They should all be unhappy after their "effort" this year :scream.
Realistically what do you think he is worth to them?
3rd round pick if that.
Brisbane (at the moment) have picks 12, 28, 44, 60. Pick 28 sounds a more likely deal. Rainesy is still rated by the media going by Robbo today. Pick 44 is cheap for the Lions in a compromised draft and 12 is wishful thinking on our part.
Give us picks 3, 19, 28, 35, 51, .....
Pick 28 would be a good result for us.
GC17 might have been more desperate for 20-something players but if a player wants out then you let him go.
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Agree,
Its funny some people think he is worth pick 28,
Your dreamers, same people bagged the crap out of him all year, now he a 2nd round pick, please.
Actually Jack I think it has more to do with the media rating him highly as opposed to we supporters -if we got offered a 3rd rounder for him I'd take it but if Brissie is prepared to offer their 2nd round pick you'd be crazy not to take it ;D
Haviing said thar to be honesy I'd happily look at a trade of player for him to honest
I'd take Bradd Dalziell for young Andrew. Quite a good player Dalziell and he is only 22 (turns 23 in Mar '10)
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Problem at Punt Rd is this,
Last year-Port offered round 5 for Schulz we wanted Round 3.
With Rainesm we should take anything, but we will want something stupid.
Remember that the Saints got Steve King for pick 89, and he will play in a Grand Final 2 years later
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Raines will start the player exodus at Punt Road, actually the cancer exodus should i say. He is useless.
he is no loss but i would not ask for a trade for another player under no circumstances. This fascination with players from other clubs i hope stop after the tanned one left.
Its draft picks only and i would play hardball with the Lions at the start, but in the end we should accept anything.
we should not let this turn into another Schulz scenario and end up keeping him. Trade him!!
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he is no loss but i would not ask for a trade for another player under no circumstances. This fascination with players from other clubs i hope stop after the tanned one left.
I suppose daniel the question is what is of greater benefit to the RFC?
Brisbane's pick 60 or later which would be used on a kid that the odds tell us is unlikely to play 100-150 games or do you trade for a young player who has shown he can actually play and will likely give you those 100-150 games and is a bteer player than the one you are getting rid of?
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Problem at Punt Rd is this,
Last year-Port offered round 5 for Schulz we wanted Round 3.
With Rainesm we should take anything, but we will want something stupid.
Remember that the Saints got Steve King for pick 89, and he will play in a Grand Final 2 years later
Pick 90 it was and Geelong had salary cap pressure and just wanted to offload King and Charlie Gardiner for anything to free up $$$ in their TPP. Port offered pick 28 for Schulz two years ago. Now that wasn't smart not accepting that. Club didn't think Rance would be around at pick 18. Let's not go there as we know what a stuff up that all was (re: Jordie).
Brad Symes went from Port to the Crows for that pick 28 in 2007. Crows got that pick initially from Sydney for Mattner.
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he is no loss but i would not ask for a trade for another player under no circumstances. This fascination with players from other clubs i hope stop after the tanned one left.
I suppose daniel the question is what is of greater benefit to the RFC?
Brisbane's pick 60 or later which would be used on a kid that the odds tell us is likely to play 100-150 games or do you trade for a young player who has shown he can actually play and will likely give you those 100-150 games and is a bteer player than the one you are getting rid of?
problem is we have been down this road before time and time again. I would rather draft a younger player through the draft and hire another development coach with the money we save from recruiting a hack from another team.
If we had not recruited McMahon we could have recruited 2 development coaches plus a player through the draft and still come out with change.
Thompson and Hislop ditto i have seen enough and they will be heading down the same road as McMahon. if you cant kick then you should not get a game at the RFC. All 3 are very average kicks at best.
hawks won a flag because they loaded up on draft picks by getting rid of deadwood. we need to do the same
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Just pinched myself, Daniel making sense :thumbsupe
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I want the club to be as brutal as can be on this....we as supporters can show sentiment as we identify with these guys week in week out,and they carry our hopes ,and we live our dreams through them...But the RFC cannot afford such sentiment....Get to the top Richmond however and by whatever means you can.
all within the law of course...LOL
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Would take a 3rd rounder.
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Problem at Punt Rd is this,
Last year-Port offered round 5 for Schulz we wanted Round 3.
Uhhh no, they offered their 2nd round pick #28
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Problem at Punt Rd is this,
Last year-Port offered round 5 for Schulz we wanted Round 3.
Uhhh no, they offered their 2nd round pick #28
Well if thats the case, why didnt the idiots take it :banghead
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Have Brisbane actually said they want him?
I'd let him go for nothing if that's what he wants. We would be doing well to get a 4th round pick for him.
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Problem at Punt Rd is this,
Last year-Port offered round 5 for Schulz we wanted Round 3.
Uhhh no, they offered their 2nd round pick #28
Well if thats the case, why didnt the idiots take it :banghead
I think we wanted a swap of earlier picks as well
The belief prior to that draft was that it only went to about #25 then dropped off badly
This was pretty much confirmed the day of the draft when the first 2 dozen picks went in about 5 mins, then almost everyone called for extra time for each pick after that.
This was after Jay had been playing in defence and doing quite well, even had a 30 disposal game, so I guess they thought he was coming good. The reality is we should have taken it and run around the trade table with our pants down.
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Yep Brisbane are interested tugga. It was an official from the Lions who rang up SEN to say they were interested in Raines and not Rance when Schwarz mixed up the two.
Well if thats the case, why didnt the idiots take it :banghead
Like I said the Club didn't think Rance (a tall) would still be around at pick 18 thinking it was a weak draft and they chickened out of the Schulz deal. Remember it was 2007 and Port had just made the GF with Rodan having a ripper year and the media bagging up for letting him go. The thought of Sarge doing a "Rodan" at Port also put the Club off.
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Rance is too slow
Is he slow?
My memory is getting bad in my old age but I thought I remembered either posters or media articles saying he was quick during pre-season.
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At what pick did we get Raines for under the Father/Son rule, we would at least want that or give them Raines and Schulz for pick 12.....lol, yeah right!!
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Raines wasn't F/S, Roach was
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Raines wasn't F/S, Roach was
So what pick was he please Infamy?
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Pick 76 in 2003 draft
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Rance is too slow
Is he slow?
My memory is getting bad in my old age but I thought I remembered either posters or media articles saying he was quick during pre-season.
he is slow and has been run down on many occasions during the year. He would have more holding the balls than anyone in the team
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Pick 76 in 2003 draft
Cheers Chucky!!
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he is slow and has been run down on many occasions during the year. He would have more holding the balls than anyone in the team
That is noticeable and also his disposal is questionable.
However I still don't know if he is slow, I think it could be a case of more lack of footy smarts and where to run and how.
I think as has been suggested here before is to play him at fullback where there is only one way to run at the ball.
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Brilliant. I would be over the moon to get their pick 40-something. :clapping
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The other thing to consider is Rainesy has nominated a club of his choice to deal with. If Brisbane think they can get him for basically nothing in a trade then why bother dealing with them if the RFC gets nothing out of it. We might as well delist Raines and let him take his chances in the draft.
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Raines gets wish
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun | September 2, 2009, Page 77
RICHMOND has told former Rising Star runner-up Andrew Raines it will try to accommodate his request to be traded elsewhere.
Raines has been plagued by knee issues for the past two years and played just three AFL games this season.
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Why should we give him what he wants.
His worth nothing & l would just dump him & let him sweat in the draft.
You dont give players what they request when they give nothing for keeping them over the years
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Ricky Olarenshaw was just on SEN. (Raines' manager)
Raines' preference is Brisbane, he likes Voss and Gubby has known him since he was a kid. Sounds like he'll go anywhere though as long as he gets a game.
Olarenshaw said that clubs had been asking during the year why he wasn't getting a game.
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Ricky Olarenshaw was just on SEN. (Raines' manager)
Raines' preference is Brisbane, he likes Voss and Gubby has known him since he was a kid. Sounds like he'll go anywhere though as long as he gets a game.
Olarenshaw said that clubs had been asking during the year why he wasn't getting a game.
Excellent~!
Roll up, roll up! :clapping
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Hasn't he been injured all year?
How could a player complain about not getting a game when he can't get out on the park?
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we shouldnt even be trading for raines, anything would be better even pick 100
just delist him and hope he ends up at freo for costing us so much over the yrs with his overrated game and name
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Like father, like son
Take your bat and ball and stuff off
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Like father, like son
Take your bat and ball and eff off
bingo
snap
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a straight swap for either Charman (preferred) or Hooper...both we have expressed interest in the past...and would be some kind of chance on being offered up
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Funny how when Andrew first got to the club Geoff commented how he always regretted leaving
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Lions don't need a running half back flanker with kicking issues and injury concerns. They have better players of his type unfortunately.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/tigers-left-raines-to-rot/story-e6frexx0-1225768729714
Tigers left Raines to 'rot'
Finn Bradshaw From: Herald Sun September 02, 2009
ANDREW Raines' manager said the defender wanted to leave Richmond because the Tigers left him "rotting" in the VFL.
The Tigers told the former Rising Star runner-up it will try to accommodate his request to be traded elsewhere after he told the club he wanted to leave on Monday.
Raines told the club he needed a fresh start, even if new Tigers coach Damien Hardwick wanted him stay.
“(Raines and I) had a chat after he wasn’t selected in the side for Round 22 and Coburg had a bye and he decided he wanted to move on no matter what Damien Hardwick had to say,” Raines’ manager Ricky Olarenshaw told radio station SEN this morning.
Raines has been plagued by knee issues for the past two years and played just three AFL games this season.
Olarenshaw said Raines became dispirited when he couldn’t break into the Tigers’ side in the second half of the year
“Andrew was pretty frustrated throughout the season, particularly the second half when he was fit and rotting away in the VFL.
“I think while Terry was in charge in the first part of the year Andrew had some injury problems … but the second half of the year, when Jade was in charge, he was playing decent footy in the VFL. He’s the sort of guy that plays with passion and is courageous and brave … that’s the sort of guy I though Richmond would have required.
“There’s some criticism about his kicking but at Andrew plays with a bit of passion. He just felt he needed a fresh start (despite a new coach coming to Richmond).”
Olarenshaw said Raines wanted to go home to Queensland and that Brisbane was his first choice - rather than the Gold Coast - because he couldn’t face another year in the VFL.
“That was always in Andrew’s sights – going back to play on the Gold Coast, being a Gold Coast boy – but it’s still 12 months away so he’d have to spend a year in the VFL and I think he’s over doing that, he wants to be playing AFL,” Olarenshaw said.
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olarenshaw should stick to boundary riding and even that he is useless at.
Raines was left to rot in the VFL because Raines is a pathetic overated footballer who only got the gig because of his fathers name.
He is another Tom Roach.
on second thought stuff the pick let Freo take him.
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Raines was left to rot in the VFL because Raines is a pathetic overated footballer who only got the gig because of his fathers name.
:shh Shhhh
Brisbane might be reading.
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Andrew Raines will be sorely missed by all us Richmond faithful for his hard running dash out of defense and his booming right foot (?). His ferocity at the ball was more than admirable and has been truly unlucky with freak once off type injuries that have no possibility of returning!
(just in case brisbane is reading)
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Andrew Raines will be sorely missed by all us Richmond faithful for his hard running dash out of defense and his booming right foot (?). His ferocity at the ball was more than admirable and has been truly unlucky with freak once off type injuries that have no possibility of returning!
(just in case brisbane is reading)
Don't forget he finished runner-up in the Rising Star behind mega-star Danyle *cough* Pearce.
Check out his highlights package!!
Raines rips it up (http://support.esri.com/knowledgebase/techarticles/ShowImage.asp?ImageId=24649&ImageType=jpg)
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What will be will be.
I thought he was good but then again I only get to see the matches on the idiot box so this sort of rules out what my thoughts on this are.
I'm too fart away to be able to make a constructive comment. But I did like him when he got a game.
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Check out his highlights package!!
Raines rips it up (http://support.esri.com/knowledgebase/techarticles/ShowImage.asp?ImageId=24649&ImageType=jpg)
LMFAO Wayne
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Raines was exciting for his first 10 or so games because he showed some dash out of the backline, which at the time was dominated by sideways kicking stat gatherers.
Unfortunately for Raines you need to be able to kick the ball to play AFL footy, most players in suburban footy are a better kick than him.
I wish Raines all the best in his QAFL career.
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Good luck, Rainsey, wherever you end up
:gotigers
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Andrew Raines is an extremely talented players with more strings to his bow than most players. Too many to mention here.
His decision making and disposal are of a high quality and his ability to avoid being tackled reminds me of Rudolph Nureyev.
His ability to run the lines are just below the Voss lines and how he was runner up to Danyle Pearce in the Rising Star is equivalent to whether Wayne Harmes tapped the ball back into play or not in the 1979 GF.
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Andrew Raines is an extremely talented players with more strings to his bow than most players. Too many to mention here.
His decision making and disposal are of a high quality and his ability to avoid being tackled reminds me of Rudolph Nureyev.
His ability to run the lines are just below the Voss lines and how he was runner up to Danyle Pearce in the Rising Star is equivalent to whether Wayne Harmes tapped the ball back into play or not in the 1979 GF.
Not only that Tucker (which I whole heartedly agree on) but he is also an uncanny good looking young man and could be the face of any AFL teams promo's for a solid ten years.
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Andrew Raines is an extremely talented players with more strings to his bow than most players. Too many to mention here.
His decision making and disposal are of a high quality and his ability to avoid being tackled reminds me of Rudolph Nureyev.
His ability to run the lines are just below the Voss lines and how he was runner up to Danyle Pearce in the Rising Star is equivalent to whether Wayne Harmes tapped the ball back into play or not in the 1979 GF.
:thatsgold
Brissy should give us two first rounders in that case ;D
Not only that Tucker (which I whole heartedly agree on) but he is also an uncanny good looking young man and could be the face of any AFL teams promo's for a solid ten years.
Only one survivor from that Matrix Men promo ;).
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/clubs/tigers/Matrix_lge.jpg)
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Olarenshaw said Raines became dispirited when he couldn’t break into the Tigers’ side in the second half of the year
“Andrew was pretty frustrated throughout the season, particularly the second half when he was fit and rotting away in the VFL.
“I think while Terry was in charge in the first part of the year Andrew had some injury problems … but the second half of the year, when Jade was in charge, he was playing decent footy in the VFL. He’s the sort of guy that plays with passion and is courageous and brave … that’s the sort of guy I though Richmond would have required.
Olarenshaw is talking crap but he's doing us a favour pumping Rainesy up.
As for rotting in the VFL - he'll hate it more rotting in the QAFL for 12 months. If he had been killing them at Coburg then he would've got a game at Richmond but he didn't. Joel this year and Tivs last year at least showed they were above that level. When did Rainesy do that ???. He sadly has been found out since his one and only good year in 2006.
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Andrew Raines is an extremely talented players with more strings to his bow than most players. Too many to mention here.
His decision making and disposal are of a high quality and his ability to avoid being tackled reminds me of Rudolph Nureyev.
His ability to run the lines are just below the Voss lines and how he was runner up to Danyle Pearce in the Rising Star is equivalent to whether Wayne Harmes tapped the ball back into play or not in the 1979 GF.
:thatsgold
Brissy should give us two first rounders in that case ;D
Not only that Tucker (which I whole heartedly agree on) but he is also an uncanny good looking young man and could be the face of any AFL teams promo's for a solid ten years.
Only one survivor from that Matrix Men promo ;).
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/images/clubs/tigers/Matrix_lge.jpg)
The FAB 5 is biting the dust in a big way also lol ... ;D
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Olarenshaw said Raines became dispirited when he couldn’t break into the Tigers’ side in the second half of the year
“Andrew was pretty frustrated throughout the season, particularly the second half when he was fit and rotting away in the VFL.
“I think while Terry was in charge in the first part of the year Andrew had some injury problems … but the second half of the year, when Jade was in charge, he was playing decent footy in the VFL. He’s the sort of guy that plays with passion and is courageous and brave … that’s the sort of guy I though Richmond would have required.
Decent footy? How would you know Ricky? You were never there to watch him play but I was and I must have missed it ;D
Seriously though biggest problem young Andrew had (IMHO) in the 2nd half of the season was grasping the concept of playing team orientated footy
Simple really Ricky
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10 VFL games and only once named in the bests which was the last one Rainesy played against Werribee.
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Looks like Daddy is making excuses for him now, gee they are letting themselves down here the 3 of them!!
Club great hits out at Richmond
Finn Bradshaw, Jackie Epstein and Jon Anderson | September 03, 2009 12:00am
ANDREW Raines's father, Geoff, yesterday professed "bewilderment" at his son's treatment by Richmond. The three-time Richmond best-and-fairest winner who played 134 games with the Tigers between 1976 and 1982 was referring to his son's failure to get a senior game in the second half of this year.
"They tried a lot of players in that time and Andrew wasn't one of them," Raines said after it was revealed that Andrew wanted to be traded to Brisbane.
"I think Brisbane and Michael Voss would be fantastic for his development, which would appear to have stalled at Richmond.
"I'm not a father who thinks he doesn't have areas he needs to improve, such as his decision making and ball use.
"Hopefully at Brisbane he will have people helping him in those areas."
Raines's manager Ricky Olarenshaw said the defender felt Richmond had left him "rotting" in the VFL.
The Tigers told the former Rising Star runner-up it would try to accommodate his wish after he told the club on Monday he wanted to go.
Raines said he needed a fresh start, even if new coach Damien Hardwick wanted him to stay.
"My body came good in the second half of the season," he said.
"I knew something was going on (when I didn't get a game) but that's fine. I'm looking forward to getting back out there."
Raines has been plagued by knee issues for the past two years and played just three AFL games this season.
He was runner-up in the Richmond best-and-fairest in 2006.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,26019231-19742,00.html
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As I said, like father like son
They can both stuff off.
Weak idiots, instead of copping the Coburg situation on the chin and working hard to impress a new coach in the off season, the weak prick asked for the Kleenex.
If we are 2 really advance as a club, we dont need weak pea hearted individuals around the club
Goodbye, you wont be missed
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Tiger looks to Lions
Jake Niall | September 3, 2009
RICHMOND defender Andrew Raines would prefer to return home to Brisbane to continue his career, but is willing to look at other clubs after telling the Tigers that he wants out.
Raines' management yesterday confirmed that the Tigers had been informed that the defender, who was placed in the NAB Rising Star award in 2006, would be seeking a trade to another club.
Raines' manager Ricky Olarenshaw said that his client, who is out of contract, had a preference for the Brisbane Lions.
''He has stated his preference is to go home to Brisbane, but we haven't spoken to Brisbane yet,'' Olarenshaw said. ''He's open-minded. We'll be talking to other clubs as well.''
Olarenshaw will meet Richmond's football operations chief, Craig Cameron, today to discuss the player's future.
Raines is seeking a trade in the belief that he will get better opportunities at another club, having struggled for a game at Richmond this year even when he returned from injury.
His departure brings the number of post-season retirements or delistings at Tigerland to six, with more expected.
Joel Bowden and Kane Johnson have retired, while fellow veterans Nathan Brown and Mark Coughlan have been cut, along with the club's first draft pick from 2005, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/tiger-raines-looks-to-lions/2009/09/02/1251570754041.html
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"ANDREW Raines's father, Geoff, yesterday professed "bewilderment" at his son's treatment by Richmond."
Well Geoff thats what we "professed" as supporters watching him every time he tried and I say tried to break the tackle, run the lines and hit up a target!!!!!!!
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"ANDREW Raines's father, Geoff, yesterday professed "bewilderment" at his son's treatment by Richmond."
Go sook at the Lexus Centre
They will have you
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poor mans Brent Hartigan
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No real surprise here. I heard months ago, when Wallace was still coaching that there were whispers about Raines coming back to Queensland.
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This is a big test for Cameron.
Lets see if he has the balls and intelligence to deliver us a 2/3rd rounder.
I think a 3rd rounder is likely especially for a team like Hawthorn or Carlton
useless prick can go for a 6th rounder for thats what his worth
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"ANDREW Raines's father, Geoff, yesterday professed "bewilderment" at his son's treatment by Richmond."
Well Geoff thats what we "professed" as supporters watching him every time he tried and I say tried to break the tackle, run the lines and hit up a target!!!!!!!
The same bewilderment that we supporters had Geoff when you dumped on us and went to the Filth.
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send the prick to Freo were he can rot ;D
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Given he's said he doesn't mind where he goes, how about we just send him to whoever will give us the best pick
We need to act in our own best interests, not vindictive, him asking to leave is a blessing in disguise
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him asking to leave is a blessing in disguise
No disguise. Just a total blessing.
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Must have been hard playing with Raines at Coburg ;D No wonder they played poorly with his attitude sooking to Daddy turncoat Raines
Raines thinking he was better than everyone on the park & not being in the best each week.
Being beaten by McMahon :rollin It must have really destroyed him :lol
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I for one am actually glad he wants to go. Never rated him. Someone earlier said he is was like Rudolph Nureyev in his ability to avoid tackles...Well he has to be because he always gets himself into pooh in the first place with his "Swing your Partner round and round and do se do" square dance playing style. :banghead His fellow team mates had NFI what he was doing or where he was going. I was hoping he would have left when Tom Roach did.
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him asking to leave is a blessing in disguise
No disguise. Just a total blessing.
Fair call, or in Footy Classified terms... GOOD call
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Rawlings defended the club this morning on SEN. He said injury has really hampered Rainesy over the last two years and he never had the continuity in his game due of these injuries and related performance on the park at Coburg. Even in the second half of the year he missed a week due to illness.
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Rawlings defended the club this morning on SEN. He said injury has really hampered Rainesy over the last two years and he never had the continuity in his game due of these injuries and related performance on the park at Coburg. Even in the second half of the year he missed a week due to illness.
So why does the Raines family come out blaming & slaging the club like its thier fault
yes Tiga l too was hoping for Raines to go when Tom Roach went
was at the game having a chat to Disco & Tom was on the pine for Ballarat & started there warming it for along time ;D
Give Disco one thing he supported Tom's career all the way at any level. Geoff would be tanning his skin like Terry Wallet
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Rawlings defended the club this morning on SEN.
Not sounding like an 'ex-employee' or one wanting to leave?
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So why does the Raines family come out blaming & slaging the club like its thier fault
Boosts Rainesy's chances of moving to a new club. No player will say while in limbo hoping another club is interested in him that he was playing crap or injury prone.
Rawlings defended the club this morning on SEN.
Not sounding like an 'ex-employee' or one wanting to leave?
True smokey although Jade could be defending himself for any future coaching gig as the coach who picked the side each week and overlooked Rainesy. I thought it was a dignified response too. He didn't have a go at Rainesy and made a legit excuse for him when Jade could've said Raines wasn't being picked because he was playing like a spud at VFL level. You can hardly demand an AFL game when your VFL opponent kicks 4 on you and Coburg is getting flogged most weeks ???.
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Not sounding like an 'ex-employee' or one wanting to leave?
Tend to think Jade is a pretty honest bloke who would call it as he sees it whether he is staying or not.
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i am a little disappointed.
i would offer Raines a 1 year contract.
new coach, new chance and his attitude is he wants to get out.
disappointing.
'06 2nd B&F and 2nd Rod Evans Medal ... two bad years with injury.
i know a lot of Richmond supporters don't think Raines is good, but at 23, would another year hurt him or us?
Polak, Pettifer would and should be 'not required' at Richmond before Raines.
Raines has problems which i can see and everyone else knows too, including his father.
i question Jade Rawlings saying "Raines wasn't up to AFL standard" or something like that.
Jade, who on our team was up too AFL standard?
did Jade think Hislop, Edwards, McMahon were better value then Raines?
bad call!
hope Raines has a change of heart! but i doubt that, bad luck Raines :(
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i know a lot of Richmond supporters don't think Raines is good, but at 23, would another year hurt him or us?
It would if he has another poor year due to injury and lack of form and still playing at Coburg. His trade value would be definitely zero whereas at the moment some outside Richmond still think he has something to offer based on his 2006 form.
Having said that talk on BF about swapping Raines for an injury-prone 28 y.o. Charman doesn't fill me with confidence :help.
Polak, Pettifer would and should be 'not required' at Richmond before Raines.
Petts definitely while Polly is coming back from a serious brain injury. The difference is these two have zero trade value compared to Rainesy.
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i know a lot of Richmond supporters don't think Raines is good, but at 23, would another year hurt him or us?
It would if he has another poor year due to injury and lack of form and still playing at Coburg. His trade value would be definitely zero whereas at the moment some outside Richmond still think he has something to offer based on his 2006 form.
Having said that talk on BF about swapping Raines for an injury-prone 28 y.o. Charman doesn't fill me with confidence :help.
Polak, Pettifer would and should be 'not required' at Richmond before Raines.
Petts definitely while Polly is coming back from a serious brain injury. The difference is these two have zero trade value compared to Rainesy.
do not like that idea! i would take a draft pick!
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Maybe we could on trade Charman to a club which needs to bolster its ruck stocks.(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Thinking/thinking-023.GIF)
A 3 way maybe ??(http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/644_evil_grin_and_eyebrow_raising.gif)
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Having said that talk on BF about swapping Raines for an injury-prone 28 y.o. Charman doesn't fill me with confidence :help.
do not like that idea! i would take a draft pick!
So would I.
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Olarenshaw was on SEN tonight and he said Raines and Brisbane have agreed on a 3 year deal :o. Now it's up to both clubs to come to terms on a suitable trade.
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Olarenshaw was on SEN tonight and he said Raines and Brisbane have agreed on a 3 year deal :o. Now it's up to both clubs to come to terms on a suitable trade.
If true a second rounder would be good. If they lose tomorrow that would be a pick in the high 20's around pick 28 or 29.
Don't want a player swap and have another list clogger, would love to get the draft pick for him.
No point replacing a nothing player for us with an injury prone or psychologically spent player. Get the draft pick and use it on a kid in the ND.
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Olarenshaw is an idiot.
Trade him for the best we can, stuff sending him to Brisbane if he's manager is gonna pull this garbage.
I'd take anything less than pick 35.
Or somehow someway they want to offload disgruntled Dalziell I'd take him for Rance in a heartbeat.
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If the Lions are willing to offer Rainesy a 3 year deal :o then they must rate him highly. Their 2nd rounder is looking a strong possibility now if that's true.
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How about their 1st & 2nd rounder for our 2nd & 3rd?
That way they don't lose a pick, just downgrade about 7-8 spots
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Raines + our 2nd rounder for L'burger
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Their 2nd round pick & Dallziell or Selwood for Raines and our 3rd round pick
I've always wanted a Selwood ;D :rollin :thumbsup
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Dalziell wants to go back to WA.
Given we will be getting rid of so many, I'd prefer just a straight player for pick trade.
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Dalziell wants to go back to WA.
Given we will be getting rid of so many, I'd prefer just a straight player for pick trade.
I hear he's already refuted that rumour and is happy in Brisbane, so go figure.
Bloody trade time! :rollin
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No Players only trade for picks.
Only trade players for players as a last resort for players that are not required long term, it never works and we always end up losers.
By the way not all picks end end being long term players, I am happy we now have people who specialise in recuitment and dont just fit it in when they can.
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If the Lions are willing to offer Rainesy a 3 year deal :o then they must rate him highly. Their 2nd rounder is looking a strong possibility now if that's true.
if they are that dumb to offer him a 3 year deal then why wouldn't we start with their first pick and go from there. Aim high. They took that dud Travis Johnson for what pick 14 so you never know.
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Be realistic (2nd round), they would have already struck a deal in principal. Should be more like deals done in good faith than the sh&t Miller and Sheedy olus those pieces of offal at Port used to carry on with.
Strike a fair deal and stick to it.
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If the Lions are willing to offer Rainesy a 3 year deal :o then they must rate him highly. Their 2nd rounder is looking a strong possibility now if that's true.
if they are that dumb to offer him a 3 year deal then why wouldn't we start with their first pick and go from there. Aim high. They took that dud Travis Johnson for what pick 14 so you never know.
Yep there's no harm in demanding a first round pick (the Eagles wanted one for Seaby last year ::) ) and I wouldn't say no ;D. However Brisbane's first pick is #9. I can't see them being that stupid to give away a top 10 pick. Their second pick #28 seems a more realistic target.
If the Lions are to offload Charman and get an earlier pick than #28 for him in some other trade not involving us then we could always target that pick. This year clubs seem to be keen to trade for players given the compromised draft so we need to keep our ears open and swoop in if any early pick is genuinely on offer.
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there is heaps of talent in the draft. Raines willnot attract anything below Pick 45. His got no value
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there is heaps of talent in the draft. Raines willnot attract anything below Pick 45. His got no value
Disagree TMonk - people in the footy industry (for reasons I cannot explain) rate him. Maybe his surname has something to do with it
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If Brisbane lose this week to the Dogs they will finish sixth.
Leaves us with pick 28. As I have said before hopefully Brisbane part company with it for Raines and we invest that pick 28 into the draft.
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there is heaps of talent in the draft. Raines willnot attract anything below Pick 45. His got no value
Disagree TMonk - people in the footy industry (for reasons I cannot explain) rate him. Maybe his surname has something to do with it
Hope you're talking him up WP and not saying anything to discourage that perception. ;) Pick #9 here we come. Maybe 2 first rounders? :lol
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there is heaps of talent in the draft. Raines willnot attract anything below Pick 45. His got no value
Disagree TMonk - people in the footy industry (for reasons I cannot explain) rate him. Maybe his surname has something to do with it
Like to see how they can rate him when his been broken down & no form for the last 3 years.
1 season wonder who molded his playing style off his father.
Problem is his been molded to play the style of football that went out in the 80's & is why he gets rundown & football is too quick for his kind of thinking ;D
As for his name, His father was more interested in money than being a clubman & was not as good as he thought he was. Thats why he played for many clubs & not 1.
He expects Richmond to look after his son better, but he turned his back on us after 1982 with Cloke.
If l was Richmond, l would make sure he dont get to where he wants to go ;D for what they said we left him rotting. His rotting cause his only a VFL player these days otherwise he be playing AFL. McMahon is getting a game before him so that saying something :lol
WP l hope we do get something good for him. cause we put up with watching him
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I would be stoked with pick #28 for Raines - it's the absolute maximum value of his worth - over the odds by a long way in all truthfulness.
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If West Coast want a 2nd rounder for Seaby, there is no reason why we can't ask for one for Raines.
Was Seaby ever a Rising Star runner up!??! :lol
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Disgruntled Tigers defender Andrew Raines will attempt to kick-start his career in Brisbane later this year.
The first trade deal on October 5 will be between Richmond and Brisbane, which has agreed to exchange a third-round national draft selection for Raines, 23, who has not played for the Tigers since round nine. A spate of injuries and a lack of form has contributed to Raines playing just five games over the past two seasons, after he did not miss a senior game in 2006 and 2007.
Lions coach Michael Voss has given his blessing for the exchange involving Raines.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26050776-2722,00.html
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I would be stoked with pick #28 for Raines - it's the absolute maximum value of his worth - over the odds by a long way in all truthfulness.
Pick 44 in the end.
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I would be stoked with pick #28 for Raines - it's the absolute maximum value of his worth - over the odds by a long way in all truthfulness.
Pick 44 in the end.
A fair deal to both parties - probably why it was done so quickly and easily.
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Whatever, would have liked their 2nd rounder or a player and thier 3rd rounder but if it means he goes then BYE
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Happy enough - good to get it sorted nice and early.
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I'm impressed we have actually traded a player for a draft pick.
Hooray Hooray
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Just out of interest can any of you internet rats list the last say 10 pick 44's.
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idiot, Corrie Carlisle are the best out a terrible bunch really and thats not saying much. Carlisle is pretty handy
Ricky Dyson, Josh Hunt are 2 more
most are very very average
No deal should be made before trade week. We should have asked for a 2nd rounder and thats that. If push came to shove then yes 3rd is fine
stupid decisiom IMO.
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idiot, Corrie Carlisle are the best out a terrible bunch really and thats not saying much. Carlisle is pretty handy
Ricky Dyson, Josh Hunt are 2 more
most are very very average
No deal should be made before trade week. We should have asked for a 2nd rounder and thats that. If push came to shove then yes 3rd is fine
stupid decisiom IMO.
If we wait, get nothing and then delist it means a pick in the nineties.
FFS get a brain.
Good move by the club.
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idiot, Corrie Carlisle are the best out a terrible bunch really and thats not saying much. Carlisle is pretty handy
Ricky Dyson, Josh Hunt are 2 more
most are very very average
No deal should be made before trade week. We should have asked for a 2nd rounder and thats that. If push came to shove then yes 3rd is fine
stupid decisiom IMO.
If we wait, get nothing and then delist it means a pick in the nineties.
FFS get a brain.
Good move by the club.
all im saying is we could have tried.
since when are decisions made 3 weeks out from Trade Week, thats assuming the reports are true.
we should be grateful we got a 3rd rounder i agree, but we shouldnt accept the first offer thats put to us.
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idiot, Corrie Carlisle are the best out a terrible bunch really and thats not saying much. Carlisle is pretty handy
Ricky Dyson, Josh Hunt are 2 more
most are very very average
No deal should be made before trade week. We should have asked for a 2nd rounder and thats that. If push came to shove then yes 3rd is fine
stupid decisiom IMO.
If we wait, get nothing and then delist it means a pick in the nineties.
FFS get a brain.
Good move by the club.
all im saying is we could have tried.
since when are decisions made 3 weeks out from Trade Week, thats assuming the reports are true.
we should be grateful we got a 3rd rounder i agree, but we shouldnt accept the first offer thats put to us.
How do you know it was the first offer.
And what if we rated him as a fourth rounder, then a third round pick is a bonus.
Good move.
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I would be stoked with pick #28 for Raines - it's the absolute maximum value of his worth - over the odds by a long way in all truthfulness.
Pick 44 in the end.
mis-calculated ;D 1 off :thumbsup
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idiot, Corrie Carlisle are the best out a terrible bunch really and thats not saying much. Carlisle is pretty handy
Ricky Dyson, Josh Hunt are 2 more
most are very very average
No deal should be made before trade week. We should have asked for a 2nd rounder and thats that. If push came to shove then yes 3rd is fine
stupid decisiom IMO.
If we wait, get nothing and then delist it means a pick in the nineties.
FFS get a brain.
Good move by the club.
all im saying is we could have tried.
since when are decisions made 3 weeks out from Trade Week, thats assuming the reports are true.
we should be grateful we got a 3rd rounder i agree, but we shouldnt accept the first offer thats put to us.
Daniel
Richmond are dealing frieghtened with other club so they take the first hand offered
Thats why we are a terrible state because we give everything away ;D but dont worry Raines will breakdown under Voss, his finished :thumbsup
There aint anyone he is better than at Brisbane in the top 30 so he can rot in the QFL ;D
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For what its worth, Andrews mind was made up well before the start of 2009 you will find.
The family are apparently moving back as well ;)
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If this is what he wants it is better to let him go cause I doubt that he will play any good with us if his heart isn't with us.
So let him leave cause he is only clogging our list.
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Part of a phantom draft off BF, might give you an idea who might be around for this additional pick.
#33 Melbourne - Max Gawn
Two quality midfielders and a quality key forward with their first three picks, a ruckman is all they really need now. And a 206cm one doesn't come along too often
#34 Richmond - Callum Bartlett
I rate Bartlett pretty highly, and if it wasn't for his injury I have no doubt he would have been a first round selection. Judging by some of the comments on the Richmond picks so far, he might not be exactly what they are after but he would add a lot to their midfield
#35 Fremantle - Chris Luff
Fremantle need a key defender and they are all pretty much even in my opinion, so they'll go with the WA boy
#36 North Melbourne - Kyle Hartigan
As good as Thompson and Grima have been, neither are a #1 defender. Hartigan is a decent size and with a couple of years of development should be able to take on the FB role
#37 Sydney - Dylan McNeil
McNeil wont ever be a star, but he will be a solid player capable of performing straight away. Will suit a developing Sydney team, and will add some extra leadership to a young group
#38 West Coast - Nat Fyfe
Arguably the second most exciting player in the draft, Fyfe will offer another dimension to the WC forward line and could provide some cover for the LeCras midfield move
#39 Port Adelaide - James Craig
I'd imagine Port will be looking for a ruckman at some stage in the draft, and I think Craig could go higher than this. I can still see Craig being developed into a full back, and this could see him replacing Thurstans at Port
#40 Hawthorn - Josh Donaldson
Hawthorn are looking for key defenders, and like James Craig, that is where I see Donaldson playing his football. Could be developed into a Dustin Fletcher type defender
#41 Essendon - Troy Taylor
The most exciting player in the draft in my opinion, and my favourite. Not too sure if he is exactly what Essendon need, but I couldn't let him slip any further and Essendon seem a good fit with their strong Indigenous group. Should be a perfect replacement for an underperforming Jetta
#42 Carlton - Tom Hill
Hill is one player that I just don't know where he'll go, he was talked up last year as a possible top 50 pick and yet didn't get drafted. But somebody of his size and agility will get drafted, and Carlton should appreciate his ability to forward or back
#43 Brisbane - Ayden Kennedy
OK, so I changed this from Andrew Hooper as I already had Brisbane taking a half back/midfielder in Menzel. Kennedy is a tall athletic forward, and with Clark playing so well in the ruck and Henderson performing down back, Brisbane are left with really only Tyler as a young key forward. Kennedy will help them with the pending retirement of Bradshaw
#44 Adelaide - Derick Wanganeen
They have Knights and Porplyzia, but really lack that quick and exciting midfielder/small forward. Who knows what is happening with Jacky, Douglas just isn't that good and Petrenko looks more suited to defence. I think Port would be looking at Wanganeen with their next pick, so Adelaide will be more than happy to take him before Port get a chance
#45 Collingwood - Sam Reid
So they've taken a ruck/forward and a midfielder, so now I think Collingwood will go for a key defender. Should form a good partnership with Nathan Brown in the future
#46 Western Bulldogs - Myles Pitt
Covering all my bases with the Bulldogs by drafting a medium/tall forward to go with their first two picks of a key back and midfielder. At 190cm, Pitt isn't a key forward but he is a very good shot on goal, and will play a Ryan Murphy/Scott Welsh type role
#47 Geelong - Zac Ledin
I changed this from McAdam, as McAdam is probably more suited to a back flank and I already had Geelong drafting Sheppard. Ledin looks to be a good midfield option, and can definitely rack up the possessions. Has the attributes to be a good midfielder, and Geelong could take the chance
#48 St Kilda - Mark Hutchings
Hutchings is capable of playing half back or in the midfield, and is the type of player that could come in and have an impact in his first season. After drafting a couple of 'projects' in the first two rounds, the Saints will look to sure up their current depth
Andrew Hooper, Charlie McAdam, Dylan Grimes, Joel Houghton and Joseph Groenewegan were all in and out of the third round. And would go early on in the fourth round if I were to continue, although that is getting a tad too difficult at this stage...
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Can you post the full phantom draft they did, I cant get onto BF at work, site is blocked.
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I would've targetted their 2nd rounder (#28) but pick 44 is at least semi-decent especially if a couple of those names in that phantom draft are still around. It makes a pleasant change to have two 3rd rounders rather than the none we've had over the past 3 drafts.
So this will give us 7 senior list spots available to fill giving us picks 3, 19, 35, 44, 51, 67, 83 (Josh Free?). If we can find another trade for a 2nd rounder then that'd be a bonus. A priority pick would've been even better :scream.
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#36 North Melbourne - Kyle Hartigan
As good as Thompson and Grima have been, neither are a #1 defender. Hartigan is a decent size and with a couple of years of development should be able to take on the FB role
Any relation to Brent?
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#36 North Melbourne - Kyle Hartigan
As good as Thompson and Grima have been, neither are a #1 defender. Hartigan is a decent size and with a couple of years of development should be able to take on the FB role
Any relation to Brent?
Brent was from WA, Kyle is a Yarram boy.
So probably not related.
:thumbsup
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Maybe you could bundle up the 44 with a player say a schulz for ports pick 8.
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We actually don't know what Brisbane's 3rd pick will be just yet given they aren't out of the finals yet
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We actually don't know what Brisbane's 3rd pick will be just yet given they aren't out of the finals yet
Exactly I think they will win tomorrow night and we would be looking at pick 46 now.
Maybe if they do we can up the ante for pick 30.
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There's also the possibility that Brisbane made trade a player for another 3rd rounder themselves (earlier than #44) and then we grab that in exchange for Rainesy.
Maybe you could bundle up the 44 with a player say a schulz for ports pick 8.
LOL. Chuck in Jordie, Thomson, Hislop and King as well and it would still be the deal of the century for us :D.
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Maybe you could bundle up the 44 with a player say a schulz for ports pick 8.
LOL. Chuck in Jordie, Thomson, Hislop and King as well and it would still be the deal of the century for us :D.
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Fine by me ;D
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With Brisbane losing tonight that will mean their pick 44 for Raines unless the media reports are wrong.
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Its probably been mentioned but he has been offered a 3 year deal.
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
Funny you mention Hooper, could be a straight swap for Raines. No picks needed. What would we all think of that?
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
Funny you mention Hooper, could be a straight swap for Raines. No picks needed. What would we all think of that?
Not in a pink fit. The guy has a heap of off-field issues and we are not the club for him.
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
Funny you mention Hooper, could be a straight swap for Raines. No picks needed. What would we all think of that?
we were interested in him few seasons back, yeah, nahhh...couldnt fit him and nahas in same time, with gilligan coming on, we'd be better keeping the pick
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
Funny you mention Hooper, could be a straight swap for Raines. No picks needed. What would we all think of that?
Raines + our 2nd rounder for Adcock
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Here's the reason why the Lions want Raines...
Brisbane are expected to cut a deal with Richmond's Andrew Raines.
Raines, the son of former Bear Geoff Raines, has had two tough seasons because of injury.
But the Lions remember the dash from defence he provides when at his best and another creative small defender would greatly improve their back six.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26066734-10389,00.html
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Here's the reason why the Lions want Raines...
Brisbane are expected to cut a deal with Richmond's Andrew Raines.
Raines, the son of former Bear Geoff Raines, has had two tough seasons because of injury.
But the Lions remember the dash from defence he provides when at his best and another creative small defender would greatly improve their back six.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26066734-10389,00.html
They've very good memories. Maybe they can help my niece with her VCE exams.
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
Funny you mention Hooper, could be a straight swap for Raines. No picks needed. What would we all think of that?
Raines + our 2nd rounder for Adcock
NO!!!!
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awww i like adcock!!
but he is just a tad injury prone, and vital to the lions structure.
i think i was talking myself out of that idea...
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
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Our trading should be about the future not 2010. A 24 year old Adcock will be 27 or 28 by the time our list is capable of making the finals. Brisbane won't trade Adcock in any case and us giving up a player and pick for a player (a 2 for 1) would restrict our ability to cull hard.
But the Lions remember the dash from defence he provides when at his best and another creative small defender would greatly improve their back six.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26066734-10389,00.html
Can we bump the trade up to their 2nd round pick then if they think that :pray.
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Raines could get a game for the Lions ahead of Hooper, Redden, Austin, Sheldon, Polkinghorne, Hawksley, Patfull
bit like Sherman
Funny you mention Hooper, could be a straight swap for Raines. No picks needed. What would we all think of that?
we were interested in him few seasons back, yeah, nahhh...couldnt fit him and nahas in same time, with gilligan coming on, we'd be better keeping the pick
Let me tell ya, we are interested in Hooper NOW. He may just be to expensive though after we put his value up a couple of seasons back.
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Hasn't Hooper had issues before regarding coming back to Brissy late from pre season?
If so no way, don't need players like that trying to fit into the new culture.
Just use the picks in the draft.
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
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Hasn't Hooper had issues before regarding coming back to Brissy late from pre season?
If so no way, don't need players like that trying to fit into the new culture.
Just use the picks in the draft.
Homesickness wasn't it?
Pass!
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Homesickness wasn't it?
Pass!
No smiley so I'll assume you are serious MT. No,not even close. That river runs much deeper.
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
anyone is better than Mclovin even Shane Morrison was better, but the point is maybe we should try recruit via the draft and spend money developing our own like most teams do
Jed Adcock is a gun though
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
How good he is is irrelevant, we can't trade away 2nd round draft picks in a rebuild
Saying my argument is wrong when you are pushing for something like that is a joke
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Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines in this but the Australian says a 3rd round pick for Rainesy rather than Brisbane's 3rd round pick. If Brisbane were to trade a player away for another (perhaps earlier?) 3rd round pick, are they suggesting we would get that one instead?
Brisbane will be active during next month's trade week, but it is not expected to trade away its first- or second-round national draft selections.
The Lions have verbally agreed with Richmond to trade in out-of-contract Tigers defender Andrew Raines. In return, Richmond will receive a third-round pick from Brisbane.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26079242-5013406,00.html
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
How good he is is irrelevant, we can't trade away 2nd round draft picks in a rebuild
Saying my argument is wrong when you are pushing for something like that is a joke
Would you trade
Raines + our 2nd rounder for Matthew Leuenberger ?
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
How good he is is irrelevant, we can't trade away 2nd round draft picks in a rebuild
Saying my argument is wrong when you are pushing for something like that is a joke
Would you trade
Raines + our 2nd rounder for Matthew Leuenberger ?
Try something in the nearest universe of possibility
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
How good he is is irrelevant, we can't trade away 2nd round draft picks in a rebuild
Saying my argument is wrong when you are pushing for something like that is a joke
Would you trade
Raines + our 2nd rounder for Matthew Leuenberger ?
Yes I would - but Brisbane wouldnt.
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Trading away our 2nd round pick for a 24 year old is not an option
Stupid, stupid, stupid idea
our midfeild would be perhaps:
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, Trengrove, Adcock, Collins
not sure if that is a stupid stupid stupid idea as such. More so if you trade Tuck for a decent pick
Definitely stupid stupid stupid
We gave away a 2nd rounder for a 24 year old a couple of years ago and look where that got us
We need to keep all the picks we can get and fix our structural issues, not trade for more smalls
Is Adcock not a better player than McMahon ?
Hence your argument is wrong ?
How good he is is irrelevant, we can't trade away 2nd round draft picks in a rebuild
Saying my argument is wrong when you are pushing for something like that is a joke
Would you trade
Raines + our 2nd rounder for Matthew Leuenberger ?
Try something in the nearest universe of possibility
pick #3 for L'Burger then?
;)
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Andrew Raines ----> Pick 44
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that is all thank you very much!
no recycled players!
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No new news but Greg Denham on KB's show this morning reiterated that the Raines trade is still on for Brisbane's 3rd round pick.
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No new news but Greg Denham on KB's show this morning reiterated that the Raines trade is still on for Brisbane's 3rd round pick.
Raines, interest in Fev, Brisbane are topping up. They are in an awkward situation. They overachieved this year but their development is great being back in the finals. Some of their young fellas are coming through nicely, but Brown's 28, Power must be about that age, Black is 30ish, Bradshaw looks on the way out... They want to see how far they can ride the wave they are on and make a real challenge before those guys retire but I think its going to be really tough for them and could hurt them in the long run.
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No new news but Greg Denham on KB's show this morning reiterated that the Raines trade is still on for Brisbane's 3rd round pick.
Raines, interest in Fev, Brisbane are topping up. They are in an awkward situation. They overachieved this year but their development is great being back in the finals. Some of their young fellas are coming through nicely, but Brown's 28, Power must be about that age, Black is 30ish, Bradshaw looks on the way out... They want to see how far they can ride the wave they are on and make a real challenge before those guys retire but I think its going to be really tough for them and could hurt them in the long run.
yeah agree, Brisbane need to go back to the draft well and go deep otherwise they may end up like Essendon list.
Perhaps they are feeling GC17 heat ?
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Brisbane will be one of the most active clubs in the trade period.
A deal to secure Andrew Raines from Richmond is all but done.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26157157-10389,00.html
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So going into trade week with the Raines deal we have picks
3 19 35 44 51 67 83
Some more picks in the first three rounds would be fantastic.
Make it happen CC.
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I agree, the more picks we get the better. The priority pick we missed out on is much needed now. Sadly winning culture has probably cost us Aaron Black or Ben Griffiths.
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Deal done
Voss said for pick 45 (sic) - their 3rd round pick. He must have meant pick 44.
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Happy with part 1 :), now the recruiting of his replacement comes into play.
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Voss said Raines was unlucky and they got him to find his 2006 form.
Tiger Raines heads to Lions for third-round pick
2:44 PM Mon 05 October, 2009
BRISBANE Lions coach Michael Voss has confirmed that his club has struck a deal with Richmond for defender Andrew Raines.
The Lions have parted with their third-round selection (No.44) in a straight swap for Raines, who has played 56 games since his 2004 debut.
Raines, 23, was limited to just three games in 2009 by knee injuries. He failed to break back into the Tigers ' senior side after round nine.
More to follow.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85736/default.aspx
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One down. Hopefully not the only trade done :pray.
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Good stuff, his attitude was terrible and the club will be better without him.
Raines is the type who would have been back stabbing every second person at the club, so far up himself it isnt funny.
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The only thing I wish for is that our pick 44 turns out to be a more than serviceable player for us in a flag circa 2014.
As for Rainsey I hope he wins Labrador Bachelor of the Year in Queensland and the Mayne Tigers B&F.
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Bye bye Andrew is all I will say ;D
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The only thing I wish for is that our pick 44 turns out to be a more than serviceable player for us in a flag circa 2014.
As for Rainsey I hope he wins Labrador Bachelor of the Year in Queensland and the Mayne Tigers B&F.
Was that a Freudian slip picking both those 'Tiger' clubs Tucker or do you know your QAFL? :)
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The only thing I wish for is that our pick 44 turns out to be a more than serviceable player for us in a flag circa 2014.
As for Rainsey I hope he wins Labrador Bachelor of the Year in Queensland and the Mayne Tigers B&F.
Was that a Freudian slip picking both those 'Tiger' clubs Tucker or do you know your QAFL? :)
I know they were the Tigers and I know a few teams in the QAFL but thats as far as knowledge about the comp goes. Don't know specifics about the league and have no idea who won the flag there this year. :thumbsup
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The Herald-Sun today is saying the Raines trade has yet to be lodged.
TO BE LODGED
1. Richmond will trade Andrew Raines (below) to Brisbane Lions for pick 44.
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Andrew Raines looking forward to moving to Brisbane Lions
Jon Ralph From: Herald Sun October 08, 2009
DURING the trip on which Brendan Fevola was busy attacking a barman in Galway, Andrew Raines was forming a bond with Michael Voss that would eventually see him become a Brisbane Lion.
Fresh from finishing second in the AFL Rising Star Award in 2006, Tigers defender Raines toured Ireland with Kevin Sheedy's International Rules side.
The former Brisbane local was in awe of Galway roommate Voss, the then Lions captain on a farewell representative tour.
Three years later, with Voss Lions coach and Raines shunned by Richmond, the pair have been reunited.
Raines, who spent his childhood on the Gold Coast after father Geoff became a Brisbane Bear, became a Lion on Monday in exchange for a third-round pick.
Raines, 23, prefers not to reflect on his last year at Richmond but he was starved of opportunities under caretaker coach Jade Rawlings.
Hampered by a lingering knee injury until the second half of the year, he found himself flying at VFL affiliate Coburg but unable to break into the senior side.
"I was pretty keen from late in the season to move on. I was fairly frustrated in my year, and the last couple of seasons, and felt like I needed a fresh start," Raines said yesterday.
"I expected to play three or four games back at Coburg just to get my body right, but I thought my form was really good in the last four to six weeks and I was pretty surprised that I didn't get a recall.
"But that's all in the past. Richmond are a fantastic club and they gave me an opportunity by drafting me, so I can't be worried about that kind of stuff, I just need to put it behind me."
With Joel Macdonald set to move to Victoria, Voss was immediately keen to lure Raines north once he knew he was unhappy at Richmond.
"I roomed with Vossy for two nights in Galway, and being a Queensland guy, he is the king of Queenslandespecially in that peak period where they had won those premierships," Raines said.
"I looked up to him a fair bit and to room with him for a fair bit was massive. I had a pretty good relationship with him, and he would have monitored my progress and I watched him become a coach.
"He contacted me and we worked it out from there."
The deal is being pitched as a win-win for both clubs. The Tigers get another solid draft pick and Raines has the talent to play excellent football if he can get his body right.
"I have complete faith in myself to produce," he said.
"The coaching staff and Michael Voss have backed me in and hopefully I can bring a fair bit to the table."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/andrew-raines-looking-forward-to-moving-to-brisbane-lions/story-e6frf9ix-1225784003977
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i have a bit of respect for Raines after reading that article.
doesnt bag the club ala Rawlings and Wallace after they knew they were on the outer
Just wanted to thank RFC and move on with his life, as we do as well
It still baffles me how Raines was left to play for Coburg, while hacks like Mclovin was playing seniors after not performing for the Burgers.
we should have boosted his currency knowing he was out of contract whereas Mclovin well who gives a stuff about him
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Andrew Raines pours it on as move pays off
Paul Malone
Herald Sun
April 16, 2010
HE has gone from being on the outer with the AFL club which is now a wooden-spoon favourite to holding down a place in a team which has won its first three games.
No wonder Andrew Raines in loving his football at the Brisbane Lions.
Runner-up in the AFL's 2006 Rising Star award, Raines has made quiet progress with the Lions since being traded by Richmond.
"When you are younger, you take a fair bit for granted," Raines said yesterday. "I got to 50 games fairly quickly, at 21 years of age. At 24, I'll hopefully reach 60 this week.
"Now I take a different attitude towards taking it a week at a time because I've been through a fair bit with injuries.
"After almost two years out of the game, it's been good to get a bit of continuity in playing games and being part of a winning culture is great, something I'm not used to that much."
Richmond, meanwhile, has been thrashed in its first three games and a betting agency has framed a market on when, if ever, the Tigers will win a game this season.
"I still keep in touch with a few of the boys," said Raines, who was hampered by knee injuries as he managed only five games during his past two seasons at Richmond.
"I watch their games. They are struggling a bit at the moment. It all takes time with a young list."
Raines, son of 1980 Richmond premiership player Geoff raines, will be one of the Lions players expected to carry the ball more out of the defensive 50m following Ash McGrath's suspension from tomorrow night's Gabba clash with the Western Bulldogs.
"Saturday night is a real challenge for us," he said. "Beating the Dogs could really set up our year."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/andrew-raines-pours-it-on-as-move-pays-off/story-e6frf9jf-1225854308474
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and there are nuffers here who say he cant play, he will prove you all wrong I am afraid :thumbsup
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and there are nuffers here who say he cant play, he will prove you all wrong I am afraid :thumbsup
UNDER WALLACE HE COULDnt play, was useless with his disposal, amazing what a good coach can do to a player and a good game plan
wallace must die slow and painfully for what he has done to richmond
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and there are nuffers here who say he cant play, he will prove you all wrong I am afraid :thumbsup
Actually I think you would be over the moon if he did make it good just so you can lay the boots some more into the Tiges
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connors is a better player, no doubt about that..Raines can't defend and he is an unreliable kick...can run yes
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Jack I think we can all agree at his best he can play. So can Tambling and so can Schultz.
Problem is that we have way to many downhill skiers, it's very easy playing good footy when you have elite midfielders in your side and kicking long to the 2 best forwards in the game.
Just too many downhill skiers, Raines was one of many.
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That's exactly right Pope, even McMahon would look good in the Brissy side, actually now that I think about he would probably look better than Raines in there.
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That's exactly right Pope, even McMahon would look good in the Brissy side, actually now that I think about he would probably look better than Raines in there.
They already have Johnstone as their softie receiver :thumbsup
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and there are nuffers here who say he cant play, he will prove you all wrong I am afraid :thumbsup
Actually I think you would be over the moon if he did make it good just so you can lay the boots some more into the Tiges
:yep Uh Huh
Jack I think we can all agree at his best he can play. So can Tambling and so can Schultz.
Problem is that we have way to many downhill skiers, it's very easy playing good footy when you have elite midfielders in your side and kicking long to the 2 best forwards in the game.
Just too many downhill skiers, Raines was one of many.
:yep Yep
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Raines would have slotted right into our 1980s side. He could have played mid or back and bombing it long to Cloke and Roach would have worked well.
Oh hang on, he did play in that side ;D
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Jack I think we can all agree at his best he can play. So can Tambling and so can Schultz.
Problem is that we have way to many downhill skiers, it's very easy playing good footy when you have elite midfielders in your side and kicking long to the 2 best forwards in the game.
Just too many downhill skiers, Raines was one of many.
And we saw it again tonight from Rainesy for Brisbane. Back into old habits stuck onto the tram tracks.
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Spud.
:wallywink
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lions problem now, wonder if the blow torch will be put on Voss. :rollin
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Never liked Raines.
I'm not into big told you so's, and in his defence he has alot of footy ahead of him but I never enjoyed seeing Raines play got caught way to often and the whole "Wallace gives him the license to take the game on" just was a frustrating excuse seeing him stuff up..
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Never liked Raines.
I'm not into big told you so's, and in his defence he has alot of footy ahead of him but I never enjoyed seeing Raines play got caught way to often and the whole "Wallace gives him the license to take the game on" just was a frustrating excuse seeing him stuff up..
I'm enjoying seeing him get caught now.
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Never liked Raines.
I'm not into big told you so's, and in his defence he has alot of footy ahead of him but I never enjoyed seeing Raines play got caught way to often and the whole "Wallace gives him the license to take the game on" just was a frustrating excuse seeing him stuff up..
I'm enjoying seeing him get caught now.
Yep, really enjoying it!! :lol
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Raines is far too full of himself, terrible attitude and letting him go was the best thing we done.
Voss may think he can play, but there are other Brisbane staff who dont rate him at all.
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and there are nuffers here who say he cant play, he will prove you all wrong I am afraid :thumbsup
who is being proven to be the nuffer on this one I wonder??????????
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:sleep :sleep :sleep
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What's this supposed to mean?
:blah
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:sleep :sleep :sleep
What's this supposed to mean?
:blah
Who gives a ..... about Raines or how he is going, he is not with the RFC is he, I worry every night about Raines, Ottens, Rodan, Schulz etc...... NOT. We need to move on from these players not live in the past with them....... NEWS FLASH, they are not coming back. So what if Raines is playing crap or good footy who cares, he is a Lions player now and not a RFC player. Forum or not post it someware else, in the who gives a crap section of the forum!!
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What's this supposed to mean?
:blah
Who gives a ..... about Raines or how he is going, he is not with the RFC is he, I worry every night about Raines, Ottens, Rodan, Schulz etc...... NOT. We need to move on from these players not live in the past with them....... NEWS FLASH, they are not coming back. So what if Raines is playing crap or good footy who cares, he is a Lions player now and not a RFC player. Forum or not post it someware else, in the who gives a crap section of the forum!!
"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
Aldous Huxley
There is much to be learnt from the mistakes of the past.
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:sleep :sleep :sleep
What's this supposed to mean?
:blah
Who gives a ..... about Raines or how he is going, he is not with the RFC is he, I worry every night about Raines, Ottens, Rodan, Schulz etc...... NOT. We need to move on from these players not live in the past with them....... NEWS FLASH, they are not coming back. So what if Raines is playing crap or good footy who cares, he is a Lions player now and not a RFC player. Forum or not post it someware else, in the who gives a crap section of the forum!!
"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history."
Aldous Huxley
There is much to be learnt from the mistakes of the past.
Very good, dead right too, but I am over our mistakes to be totally honest, every club has made them but everyone seems to focus on our mistakes (recruiting wise) more than any other clubs.
Do I have to mention Ablett again.... :thumbsup
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cant tell how much enjoyment i get watching this spud Raines do his thing
what an absolute dud this guy is
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Exposed as a one trick pony and now struggling in a middle of the road side in a poor run of form.
We did the right thing. Even if Brisbane win their last 13 games and then the flag just for the sake of this conversation Raines is a dud.
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Exposed as a one trick pony and now struggling in a middle of the road side in a poor run of form.
We did the right thing. Even if Brisbane win their last 13 games and then the flag just for the sake of this conversation Raines is a dud.
Who did we end up with thanks to that deal??
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Exposed as a one trick pony and now struggling in a middle of the road side in a poor run of form.
We did the right thing. Even if Brisbane win their last 13 games and then the flag just for the sake of this conversation Raines is a dud.
Who did we end up with thanks to that deal??
Pick 44 was Matt Dea or David Astbury? One of those two kids. Clearly we are the comprehensive winner on that trade.
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Exposed as a one trick pony and now struggling in a middle of the road side in a poor run of form.
We did the right thing. Even if Brisbane win their last 13 games and then the flag just for the sake of this conversation Raines is a dud.
Who did we end up with thanks to that deal??
Draft pick #44 aka Mathew Dea.
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Exposed as a one trick pony and now struggling in a middle of the road side in a poor run of form.
We did the right thing. Even if Brisbane win their last 13 games and then the flag just for the sake of this conversation Raines is a dud.
Who did we end up with thanks to that deal??
Pick 44 was Matt Dea or David Astbury? One of those two kids. Clearly we are the comprehensive winner on that trade.
Well if it was Asbury we are dead set winners, jury still out on Dea though. But yes either way we haven't lost anything.
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Exposed as a one trick pony and now struggling in a middle of the road side in a poor run of form.
We did the right thing. Even if Brisbane win their last 13 games and then the flag just for the sake of this conversation Raines is a dud.
Who did we end up with thanks to that deal??
Draft pick #44 aka Mathew Dea.
Cheers!!