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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stripes on September 08, 2009, 02:12:12 PM
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Forgetting trends, what team of the last 20 years should we try and emulate?
The obvious answer is - none, create our own! - but all great sides start with the end in mind and build upon the success of the past so what why should we go?
Stripes
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I like Adelaide.
Total professionalism, disciplined and (I think that because Adelaide is a somewhat undesirable city to move to) they don't look to trade picks for players too often.
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Model our game plan on our list. Then make changes to our list as our game plan evolves.
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Forgetting trends, what team of the last 20 years should we try and emulate?
The obvious answer is - none, create our own! - but all great sides start with the end in mind and build upon the success of the past so what why should we go?
Stripes
haha model our team on other teams are you kidding me
l'm with you Stripes :thumbsup create our own
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Brisbane was a hard at it, uncompromising unit who had a very direct game plan which they are still using today. The fact that they are still exceeding expectations by playing the same 'head over the footy'/ 'get your own ball' style is worth noting.
Geelong was the bench mark but is St Kilda surpassed them? What has changed to make the Saints such a good team?
Even Collingwood have a style to emulate considering how far they have got given the lack of talent in their list. :-\
Stripes
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It will be a long time before we ensemble a list the quality of a Geelong or a St kilda.
As painful as it is to say, the team I would like us to emulate the most is Collingwood.
They epitomize the saying " a champion team can beat a team of champions " (well almost...but they have had their moments against Geelong)
Im no expert but they do seem to be a very disciplined team that plays as a unit,excels at all the 1%ers and extracts every bit of talent from out of their list.
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Model our game plan on our list. Then make changes to our list as our game plan evolves.
Pick your list for your game plan.
Go defensive, tackle tackle and more tackling. Build your list from your back line first. Put talent (and by that I mean high draft picks) in your back line, people who have vision and can kick accurately.
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As painful as it is to say, the team I would like us to emulate the most is Collingwood.
Personally, I'd rather emulate a side that actually wins premierships
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As painful as it is to say, the team I would like us to emulate the most is Collingwood.
Personally, I'd rather emulate a side that actually wins premierships
100% spot on Matt.
Average team but always thereabouts. Tough as nails most weeks.
They tackle and protect their mates like no other team but maybe the Cats.
Last time i checked they sat 3rd on the ladder in terms of flags won so not sure what you base the fact that they dont win premierships.
Ill take 14 flags and finals most years any day its obvious you dont see that as being a successful side. Strange!!!
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I'd model our game on the Bulldogs team from the early 2000's. Pacy, slim, girl like outside midfielders with an aversion to tackling and being tackled. Most probably scream like Homer Simpson when faced with the prospect of body contact.
What? We tried that the last 5 years?
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I'd model our game on the Bulldogs team from the early 2000's. Pacy, slim, girl like outside midfielders with an aversion to tackling and being tackled. Most probably scream like Homer Simpson when faced with the prospect of body contact.
What? We tried that the last 5 years?
;D :clapping :lol
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Hawthorn (2005-2008), Brisbane (2001-2003), Geelong (2007-2008), St Kilda (2009)
all those thank you.
:)
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I only said Collingwood because I was trying to be realistic on where our list is at.Hopefully at this years draft we can unearth some real talent and we can reassess.
If I can live in fantasy land I would say lets emulate Brisbane circa 2001.....3 Premierships on the trot please.
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As painful as it is to say, the team I would like us to emulate the most is Collingwood.
Personally, I'd rather emulate a side that actually wins premierships
100% spot on Matt.
Average team but always thereabouts. Tough as nails most weeks.
They tackle and protect their mates like no other team but maybe the Cats.
Last time i checked they sat 3rd on the ladder in terms of flags won so not sure what you base the fact that they dont win premierships.
Ill take 14 flags and finals most years any day its obvious you dont see that as being a successful side. Strange!!!
1 flag in 50 years and 3 since the last world war?
So you want us to emulate the game style of the Collingwood teams of the 1920s?
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So Infamy using that logic...
Geelong 1 flag in 42 years
Sk Kilda 1 flag since 1897
Does not sound all that impressive either.
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Well there's a good chance one of those clubs will increase by 1 this year
I understand why people like the way Collingwood play, but its also the reason they never get anywhere
Given there's been 6 different premiers in the past 6 years (and will possibly be 7 in 7) and 11 different premiers in the past 14 years, makes it hard to nominate a even a couple of teams to model yourself against.
Personally I hope we don't follow the leader, but innovate and raise the bar to a new level, but I guess we should probably just take baby steps for now and focus on the basics.
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Well there's a good chance one of those clubs will increase by 1 this year
I understand why people like the way Collingwood play, but its also the reason they never get anywhere
Given there's been 6 different premiers in the past 6 years (and will possibly be 7 in 7) and 11 different premiers in the past 14 years, makes it hard to nominate a even a couple of teams to model yourself against.
Personally I hope we don't follow the leader, but innovate and raise the bar to a new level, but I guess we should probably just take baby steps for now and focus on the basics.
Yep, agree 100%. Who did the Swans model their game plan on? Who did West Coast model their game plan on? Who did Geelong model their game plan on? Who did Hawthorn model their game plan on? Let's get the basics right first and become competitive, then work on a game plan that best fits our playing list, our coaching group, our attitude and our goals.
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Elaborate game plans do require quality players to carry them out.
All we can hope for is a return to basics next year.
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Has any team in the modern era won a premiership being the mimic of another past team? I sure can't think of any.
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Has any team in the modern era won a premiership being the mimic of another past team? I sure can't think of any.
Hawthorn, St Kilda and Sydney all have very similar game plans, they just blur the positions behind the pack that they stand. They are all some form of defensive rolling zone behind the pack.
St Kilda forms more of a line than hawthorn and Sydneys is closer to the pack but they are basically the same for my money.
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Has any team in the modern era won a premiership being the mimic of another past team? I sure can't think of any.
Hawthorn, St Kilda and Sydney all have very similar game plans, they just blur the positions behind the pack that they stand. They are all some form of defensive rolling zone behind the pack.
St Kilda forms more of a line than hawthorn and Sydneys is closer to the pack but they are basically the same for my money.
Are you talking this year? My point is that every year the team that has won it has something unique and almost 'cutting edge' about it. Something different and something hard to counter. I don't say we follow in someones footsteps but we create our own. Just my thoughts.
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Has any team in the modern era won a premiership being the mimic of another past team? I sure can't think of any.
Hawthorn, St Kilda and Sydney all have very similar game plans, they just blur the positions behind the pack that they stand. They are all some form of defensive rolling zone behind the pack.
St Kilda forms more of a line than hawthorn and Sydneys is closer to the pack but they are basically the same for my money.
Sydney's premiership-winning gameplan was quite different to what it has evolved into today. Back then it was based around pressure at the stoppages and then releasing very quickly when possession was won. They flooded back and ran forward - nowadays the flood or zone stays behind the ball at all times. It was different to anyone else at the time. I think the 'rolling zones' have probably evolved from that concept in some way but each team had a gameplan that was unique in it's successful period - maybe pulling parts of a few others together but unique in the package. We will never be successful if we chase the pack - leaders win premierships.