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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on September 16, 2009, 11:43:14 PM
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Well I pushed for him to become Captain when they gave the job to Newman and I am pushing again. Two B&F's in a row, youth on his side and the team re-building .....we need him in the Captains position. He is a 6-8 year prospect as a Captain and he deserves it!!
Thoughts, try not to be too negative towards him..... or me for that matter... :thumbsup
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Leave it with Newman for another couple. We need to settle it down on field next year wherever we can.
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I would say since we're going to struggle next year no matter who is captain then probably it's not the time yet to make Lids or any of the cubs captain. Better to wait until we show some genuine upward trends based mainly around improvement from our cubs collectively. Newy did come 3rd in the B&F so it wasn't as though he had an absolute shocker. Lids also got far less points than he did last year IIRC and he was almost dropped midyear. There's still no one at Richmond IMO that says definitely pick me as captain. I could say Cuz but being over 30 and with maintaining a healthy lifestyle a focus he'll never be considered for the captaincy. Just like Richo it's too late to get the gig once you're nearing retirement.
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Well I pushed for him to become Captain when they gave the job to Newman and I am pushing again. Two B&F's in a row, youth on his side and the team re-building .....we need him in the Captains position. He is a 6-8 year prospect as a Captain and he deserves it!!
Thoughts, try not to be too negative towards him..... or me for that matter... :thumbsup
100% correct WA.
We have had the Newman type as captain before(Sugar). Uninspiring
enough is enough
Lids is a gun player and its about time the club made a stand and said the entire playing group, this is your leader and this is the type of player you should model your game on.
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Give Newman 1 more year.
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Well I pushed for him to become Captain when they gave the job to Newman and I am pushing again. Two B&F's in a row, youth on his side and the team re-building .....we need him in the Captains position. He is a 6-8 year prospect as a Captain and he deserves it!!
Thoughts, try not to be too negative towards him..... or me for that matter... :thumbsup
100% correct WA.
We have had the Newman type as captain before(Sugar). Uninspiring
enough is enough
Lids is a gun player and its about time the club made a stand and said the entire playing group, this is your leader and this is the type of player you should model your game on.
We finally agree on something Daniel...... and well said mate, he is uninspiring regardless of where he finished in the B&F!! Lets face it people who else would have fiished 3rd in the B&F our list isn't that good. Thats like being excited that you came 3rd in a 100m race.............. against one legged opponents???? :whistle
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Newman is one player who we really should trade.
He is a glorified version of Sugar and so far from a captain its not funny
Anyone see Nick R, thats a real captain.
Smiling assasin
Captain Kirk
Real captains and real leaders.
People like Newy, Vanderburg and Sugar are not real captains, well on field anyway.
They do nothing to inspire your teammates, nothing at all. Our captain needs to lead from the front and win us games.
do we really want another captain like sugar who couldnt kick a winning goal from 15 metres out if his life depended on it.
I know i dont
If we are all about change at the RFC then it must start with a new captain.
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Deledio doesn't have that grunt in him. A captain should visibly show positive, brutal emotion (see Jonothan Brown).
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Happy to trade Newman but if he stays happy for him to deal with the captaincy while we are bottoming out.
Even though Lids has won two B&F, not too sure if he is captaincy material.
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Forgot to add if we were to promote a player to captain based on pure ability and effort you would give it to Cuz hands down. Not that he will be in the clubs calculations just that he is the closest thing to a captain currently in the side IMO.
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Brett Deledio to me seems to be a little girl!
i hear reports of him being unhappy!
now, i really do not know the reasons.
so i keep hearing he is sooking!
i find it interesting that Chris Newman was voted in our three AFLPA MVP. where was Deledio? considering that is voted buy the players.
i don't mind it if Deledio does get the captaincy, but i think he is selfish!
Chris Newman to captain longer!
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An article on our 'future captain' from the club's site today:
Tough love sparked Deledio’s surge
By Mic Cullen 7:50 AM Thu 17 September, 2009
Brett Deledio says a stuff assessment of his efforts sparked a strong end to the season
A MID-SEASON honesty session was the key to winning-back-to-back Jack Dyer medals, Brett Deledio has admitted.
Deledio was told by interim coach Jade Rawlings and the leadership group at the Tigers that if he didn't get his act together and run both ways, VFL side Coburg would be welcoming him with open arms.
The declaration was not news to the 22-year-old, who had been told the same thing by former coach Terry Wallace earlier in the season, and in 2008.
But the penny dropped this time around, and Deledio stormed home to win his second 'Jack', sneaking past the leader for most of the evening, Daniel Jackson, in round 21 then clearing away in the last round.
But the first pick in the 2004 NAB AFL Draft admitted that if he hadn't woken up just after Wallace was sacked, he could have been following the coach out the door as well.
The Tigers were belted by the Saints in round 13 to the tune of 56 points, a game which saw them kick just five goals, and Deledio said that game was the catalyst for his form reversal.
"I think after the St Kilda game I got the kick in the pants I needed from Jade and the leadership group and the other coaches," he told richmondfc.com.au after the awards ceremony.
"I was threatened with being dropped, and that really changed my mindset of how I wanted to go about things.
"Credit to the coaching guys, I think they found the best out of me, so I've got to take that into next season, and hopefully we can have some team success."
Despite his strong end to the season, Deledio admitted he thought he was no chance with a few rounds to go.
"I thought Jacko had it all sewn up – I was really nervous,” he said.
"Come round 15 he was about 40 votes in front of me, so I didn't think I was any chance at all, but what can I say?
"I'm just very proud and honoured to have won this award for the second time.
"It's not something you think about really, but I guess the downer is that we didn't have a very good season as a team."
Deledio said he'd already been talking to new coach Damien Hardwick, who has promised to put a tough edge on the Tigers.
"Yeah, I've had a couple of chats to Damien and it seems we're going to be very disciplined in our ways and like he says, we're going to be very 'team first'.
"That's the best way you want to play your footy, I think, so I'm looking forward to that."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/84863/default.aspx (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/84863/default.aspx)
A couple of comments piqued my interest:
"The declaration was not news to the 22-year-old, who had been told the same thing by former coach Terry Wallace earlier in the season, and in 2008."
What the? You are an elite professional sportsman earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and it takes a few times for the penny to drop on such a basic football skill as accountability? Not much in the way of leadership there.
"I was threatened with being dropped, and that really changed my mindset of how I wanted to go about things."
No thoughts of trying your guts out when the team was floundering in any sort of attempt to lift or lead them there Brett? Not much in the way of leadership there.
"That's the best way you want to play your footy, I think, so I'm looking forward to that."
What stopped you from trying to play that way for the first 5 years of your career Brett? Not much in the way of leadership there.
You can blame the previous coaching regime all you want but leadership comes entirely from within and I don't see or hear any leadership potential whatsoever from Deledio. Newman has more leadership in his big toe than Deledio and even though I am not a big fan of Newman he is far and away a better choice as captain.
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No doubt Lids will be the next captain of the RFC....Its only a matter of time.
However dumping Newman after one year will only make the club a mockery again.Besides...Cuz is everything but captain at the moment.
Nothing wrong with making Lids captain in 2012.....when he will be a 25 year old/150 game veteran.
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Deledio doesn't have that grunt in him. A captain should visibly show positive, brutal emotion (see Jonothan Brown).
I agree.
What a joke.
Amazing what attention u get with blonde hair.
Disgusting that he even won the award.
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I actually think we have another captain in our ranks...in 2012 - Cotchin- will be a 5th year player then...probably have about 60 plus games (subject to injury) in him...Very mature kid.
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Lids start to the year was well below par to say the least - I was ropeable at some of his performances.
Took a rocket to rev him up and performed at or close to my expectation of him in the run home, as evidenced by the JD voting.
My only gripe would be he needs to show a bit of mongrel more often, hopefully Hardwick can bring this out in his game, then he will be living up to my expectations of him (which are very high by the way), We need A+ classes in our team to get anywhere and Lids has to be one.
Let's see if he can do it for the whole season next year first.
Newman can stay captain for stability sake, even though I would like to see richo get it for a year, and as stated by others Cuz is our real leader out there anyway.
2011 or 2012 - He can wait and concentrate on his game atm ....
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Empty B&F imho.
Deledio would get a B- for his season from me.
As far as captaincy goes well there isn't a standout. I said before Newman got it that they should have given it to Richo to pad it out until one of the younger blokes actually showed a bit of leadership. I still think it would have been a better course to follow than giving it to a middle of the road footballer like Newman. I would have thought that were he not captain he'd be someone we could take to the trade table. We have Cuz now and he would be the best leader but he won't get it. It makes no difference who we give it to for the next couple of seasons anyway we are doomed, but at the very least we should make someone earn it.
I'd rather see Hardwick take Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Foley, McGuane and anyone else who might be in the mix aside and tell them that they are auditioning for the job over the next two seasons. Tell them its not always the best player who gets the job but the one who does the most for their teammates.
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Spot on smokey :bow
He is only 22 should not be captain until 24 - 25. He needs a goal, something to acheive,grow into and work hard for. Do not give it to him until becomes a team first player and a leader on and off the field.
Team first is what Hardwick has spoke about being important going forward, so it only make sense for our captain to be that type of player.
Newman (VC) Cousin if he want's it should be captain or Richo. They are real Captains.
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You can blame the previous coaching regime all you want but leadership comes entirely from within and I don't see or hear any leadership potential whatsoever from Deledio. Newman has more leadership in his big toe than Deledio and even though I am not a big fan of Newman he is far and away a better choice as captain.
Spot on.
Have heard quite a few of our young players speak & Lids is way behind in leadership material.
And a little too much of the Hewitt/Tomic syndrome happening with Lids too I hear.
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the only person he dose speak up in the team and dosent run with tails in between there legs is Cuzins and Richo.
I say richo should be captain given these are his last years
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You can blame the previous coaching regime all you want but leadership comes entirely from within and I don't see or hear any leadership potential whatsoever from Deledio. Newman has more leadership in his big toe than Deledio and even though I am not a big fan of Newman he is far and away a better choice as captain.
Spot on.
Have heard quite a few of our young players speak & Lids is way behind in leadership material.
And a little too much of the Hewitt/Tomic syndrome happening with Lids too I hear.
Hewitt/Tomic are you serious?
Is that the fact he(Lids) thinks he is better than the rest. Please explain.
Tomic is a stuffwit whose career will be ruined by another dad who is living his life through his son.
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Deledio gets bagged for 'not dong enough'
he's won 2 bfs
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Lids is so harshly judged it's not funny!
The 22 year old is the only early draft pick (1st or 2nd rounder) that has lived up to his potential at the RFC since he was drafted. Too early to call on a few others just yet but that certainly seems to be the case at the minute.
In his first year (2006) he won the NAB Rising Star award in one of the best drafts to date.
He was also chosen to represent Australia in the International Rules series for 2005, becoming the youngest Australian player in the competition's history.
In 2007 he averaged 18.4 touches, 5.4 marks and kicked 21 goals. (Not sure where he came in the B&F?)
In 2008 he won the B&F and was in the squad of 40 for All Australian selection. Also in that year he won the AFL Army award.
And last night he won his second B&F.
Not to bad from a kid some on here seem to have a go at pretty regularly. Try doing the same with some of our other drafted kids and see how they compare.
As for him being captain, I think if we are to keep him from wanting out in 3 years time when his contract is up, we need to make him captain next year or the year after, I think the next couple of years ars going to be pretty lean in terms of finals and even wins and if he is not captain he will more than entertain moving to a club playing finals.
He is the future of our club, by far our best player and can only benefit from being the leader of our club.
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Lids is so harshly judged it's not funny!
The 22 year old is the only early draft pick (1st or 2nd rounder) that has lived up to his potential at the RFC since he was drafted. Too early to call on a few others just yet but that certainly seems to be the case at the minute.
In his first year (2006) he won the NAB Rising Star award in one of the best drafts to date.
He was also chosen to represent Australia in the International Rules series for 2005, becoming the youngest Australian player in the competition's history.
In 2007 he averaged 18.4 touches, 5.4 marks and kicked 21 goals. (Not sure where he came in the B&F?)
In 2008 he won the B&F and was in the squad of 40 for All Australian selection. Also in that year he won the AFL Army award.
And last night he won his second B&F.
Not to bad from a kid some on here seem to have a go at pretty regularly. Try doing the same with some of our other drafted kids and see how they compare.
As for him being captain, I think if we are to keep him from wanting out in 3 years time when his contract is up, we need to make him captain next year or the year after, I think the next couple of years ars going to be pretty lean in terms of finals and even wins and if he is not captain he will more than entertain moving to a club playing finals.
He is the future of our club, by far our best player and can only benefit from being the leader of our club.
here here :thumbsup
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You can blame the previous coaching regime all you want but leadership comes entirely from within and I don't see or hear any leadership potential whatsoever from Deledio. Newman has more leadership in his big toe than Deledio and even though I am not a big fan of Newman he is far and away a better choice as captain.
Spot on.
Have heard quite a few of our young players speak & Lids is way behind in leadership material.
And a little too much of the Hewitt/Tomic syndrome happening with Lids too I hear.
17 yoa Cotchin said his hero was Lids
good enough for me
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Lids is so harshly judged it's not funny!
The 22 year old is the only early draft pick (1st or 2nd rounder) that has lived up to his potential at the RFC since he was drafted. Too early to call on a few others just yet but that certainly seems to be the case at the minute.
In his first year (2006) he won the NAB Rising Star award in one of the best drafts to date.
He was also chosen to represent Australia in the International Rules series for 2005, becoming the youngest Australian player in the competition's history.
In 2007 he averaged 18.4 touches, 5.4 marks and kicked 21 goals. (Not sure where he came in the B&F?)
In 2008 he won the B&F and was in the squad of 40 for All Australian selection. Also in that year he won the AFL Army award.
And last night he won his second B&F.
Not to bad from a kid some on here seem to have a go at pretty regularly. Try doing the same with some of our other drafted kids and see how they compare.
As for him being captain, I think if we are to keep him from wanting out in 3 years time when his contract is up, we need to make him captain next year or the year after, I think the next couple of years ars going to be pretty lean in terms of finals and even wins and if he is not captain he will more than entertain moving to a club playing finals.
He is the future of our club, by far our best player and can only benefit from being the leader of our club.
Agree
The one area I have wanted Lids to really improve in was his defensive game and mindset - reckon he has come in leaps bounds in that area over the last half of 2009 and it is a credit to him and his mental ability to take on board the "kick up the bum" and get it right.
Have heard quite a few of our young players speak & Lids is way behind in leadership material.
And a little too much of the Hewitt/Tomic syndrome happening with Lids too I hear.
have to disagree - I reckon he speaks very well now compared to 2-3 years ago, he is maturing. On top of that I am not sure what impact how he speaks determines how he leads. Are we talking about public speaking because if we are I would argue that Anthony Stevens was not a great public speaker - actually hated it but he was a fanstatic captain who had the respect of all his team mates. Give me leader who inspires the players around him and leads them anyday
I would also add get copies of some the games from the 2nd half of the season and see how he marshalls the players at stoppages - natural leader right there
And please explain the Hewitt/Tomic thing I am lost on that one
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Lids is so harshly judged it's not funny!
The 22 year old is the only early draft pick (1st or 2nd rounder) that has lived up to his potential at the RFC since he was drafted. Too early to call on a few others just yet but that certainly seems to be the case at the minute.
In his first year (2006) he won the NAB Rising Star award in one of the best drafts to date.
He was also chosen to represent Australia in the International Rules series for 2005, becoming the youngest Australian player in the competition's history.
In 2007 he averaged 18.4 touches, 5.4 marks and kicked 21 goals. (Not sure where he came in the B&F?)
In 2008 he won the B&F and was in the squad of 40 for All Australian selection. Also in that year he won the AFL Army award.
And last night he won his second B&F.
Not to bad from a kid some on here seem to have a go at pretty regularly. Try doing the same with some of our other drafted kids and see how they compare.
As for him being captain, I think if we are to keep him from wanting out in 3 years time when his contract is up, we need to make him captain next year or the year after, I think the next couple of years ars going to be pretty lean in terms of finals and even wins and if he is not captain he will more than entertain moving to a club playing finals.
He is the future of our club, by far our best player and can only benefit from being the leader of our club.
By his own admission today he has been unfocused, unaware and unprofessional in his attitude and output thus far in his career. He is paid the most (by a long way now) of those you choose to compare him with so it is entirely justified to expect more from him than the others - that's just the way it is in professional football nowadays. Yes, he is a very good footballer who has played many good games however he has been very guilty of going missing for quarters, halves and whole games - just as often this year at the age of 22 as in any other. In a reasonable team he would not get within a bull's roar of a B & F playing the way he has so far in his career. And this thread is about Deledio as captain - a leader of men at a club full of kids screaming out for guidance and direction. Deledio would be one of the worst choices for captain we could make at present and even if he has an epiphany under Hardwick then he will not have learnt the lessons and earnt the respect for at least another 5 years. A captain is a team leader and Deledio does not display any single trait that suggests he will grow into that role. Add since when do you select a player to be captain for the player's benefit or to keep him at the club? Talk about perpetuating our cultural mistake of the tail wagging the dog!
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Bernard Tomic and his crew refused to hit out with Lleyton at Wimbledon because Tomic's old man says that Lleyton is not good enough.
http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/hewitt-fury-at-tomic-snub-20090917-fs43.html
another spoilt little brat our Bernard is led by a a fool
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By his own admission today he has been unfocused, unaware and unprofessional in his attitude and output thus far in his career. He is paid the most (by a long way now) of those you choose to compare him with so it is entirely justified to expect more from him than the others - that's just the way it is in professional football nowadays. Yes, he is a very good footballer who has played many good games however he has been very guilty of going missing for quarters, halves and whole games - just as often this year at the age of 22 as in any other. In a reasonable team he would not get within a bull's roar of a B & F playing the way he has so far in his career. And this thread is about Deledio as captain - a leader of men at a club full of kids screaming out for guidance and direction. Deledio would be one of the worst choices for captain we could make at present and even if he has an epiphany under Hardwick then he will not have learnt the lessons and earnt the respect for at least another 5 years. A captain is a team leader and Deledio does not display any single trait that suggests he will grow into that role. Add since when do you select a player to be captain for the player's benefit or to keep him at the club? Talk about perpetuating our cultural mistake of the tail wagging the dog!
Certainly don't agree with making someone captain to hang onto to them but I do beleive he will make a very good captain
I was always of the opinion that we should have appointed a young captain this season, gone down the path did with a what was it 21y.o. Carey - who was an outstanding Captain. My view was with the extra responsibility of being Captain a number of things people are critical about would have been eradicated sooner ....
He captained the team in round 22 and did what he needed to do and that was lead and set an example the fact that his team mates didn't give a rats about anything on the night is not his fault.
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By his own admission today he has been unfocused, unaware and unprofessional in his attitude and output thus far in his career. He is paid the most (by a long way now) of those you choose to compare him with so it is entirely justified to expect more from him than the others - that's just the way it is in professional football nowadays. Yes, he is a very good footballer who has played many good games however he has been very guilty of going missing for quarters, halves and whole games - just as often this year at the age of 22 as in any other. In a reasonable team he would not get within a bull's roar of a B & F playing the way he has so far in his career. And this thread is about Deledio as captain - a leader of men at a club full of kids screaming out for guidance and direction. Deledio would be one of the worst choices for captain we could make at present and even if he has an epiphany under Hardwick then he will not have learnt the lessons and earnt the respect for at least another 5 years. A captain is a team leader and Deledio does not display any single trait that suggests he will grow into that role. Add since when do you select a player to be captain for the player's benefit or to keep him at the club? Talk about perpetuating our cultural mistake of the tail wagging the dog!
There's alot I like about this post, your certainly a supporter that i believe has got his eyes open on this issue. There was another post I read today that you commented on about captaincy that I thought was very good too. Do you think it's possible that a best and fairest can be contrived, I thought I witnessed that last night. :thumbsup
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Given how well he played in the one game he played as captain, I'd have no problem with him getting the nod full time
I'd rather trade Newman anyway
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Certainly don't agree with making someone captain to hang onto to them but I do believe he will make a very good captain
I was always of the opinion that we should have appointed a young captain this season, gone down the path did with a what was it 21y.o. Carey - who was an outstanding Captain. My view was with the extra responsibility of being Captain a number of things people are critical about would have been eradicated sooner ....
He captained the team in round 22 and did what he needed to do and that was lead and set an example the fact that his team mates didn't give a rats about anything on the night is not his fault.
I'm not saying that he can't or won't become a good captain but I want to see signs first. Not just a game here or there - a full season followed by another full season then another. That's how he will earn the respect required. Yes, Cousins and Carey were young when appointed but they were made captain on the back of consistent game changing football - Deledio has only shown that spasmodically and only after a few 'rockets' apparently. And when the final rocket coincides with contract renegotiation time I just can't help but feel nervous and not confident that he has learned any lesson, just got an egotistical fright. I would love nothing more than Deledio to see 2008 as his watershed season and that he becomes the match-winning leader we are crying out for but it's not the right time yet for him to be considered for captaincy and it won't be in the short term foreseeable future, even if he gets it right in '09.
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Lids does get harshly analyzed..
But thats football, every single player in the competition gets the knockers seeing that no1 is perfect and even the best every have parts of teh game to work on. Ablett gets "cheap" possessions and doesn't play the team game. Jono Brown sometimes misses easy shots and has games of 1.5 and 2.6 etc. Lockett had fitness problems and anger problems. Its just life guys I don't think we should be too upset when a 22 year old has things to work on.
Without looking to much into it thought he spoke rather well in front of a big crowd at the B&F night, think he needs to work on his humour a bit lol. I think the poor guy thought his jokes would have gone off a bit better then they did, still humorous though. The princess call was a shocker lol. I thought it was interesting when he thanked the coaches he only mentioned Jade and Campbell, he highlighted the job Jade did and thanked Wayne for helping him come a midfielder. Not reading anthing into it but I'm glad he didn't thank Terry.
There is certainly leadership qualities he still seems strangley confident but a bit gun shy at times, showing he really is still very young.
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Lleyton used to hang on every word his dad said/do what the parents said. Bernard the same.
That's what I meant.
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Lleyton used to hang on every word his dad said/do what the parents said. Bernard the same.
That's what I meant.
I am still a bit confused - sorry shocking week, brains not functioning to well at the minute :P
So you are suggesting that Brett maybe too heavily influenced by his Dad or family?
I remember he thanked his Dad after last years B&F win so I reckon it is fair to assume he talks to his Dad alot about footy like alot of players probably do but I am not sure where/how that can create a comparison to Hewitt/Tomic
Sorry if I off on a different tangent :P
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So you are suggesting that Brett maybe too heavily influenced by his Dad or family?
Yes, have heard that from one or two different sources who should know.
I'm not making much sense this week either. Too much red. ;)
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What a load of crap you obviously have no relationship with lids berens. He is his own man who tries to follow what the coaches want. I wish people would stop trying to pull our players down.
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One or two sources who should know!! What rubbish........ hell I'm sick of this tall poppy rubbish
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We have no natural leaders at Richmond other than Cuz.
Richo is a spiritual leader.
Newman is a timid and shy character who does not inspire confidence.
I don't think Lids has any natural leadership qualities yet. We need to find this character. In our clubs case it may not be the best player or one of the best 3 or 4 players but a solid citizen who demands the respect from his peers in much like the way Harley had it at Geelong in 2007.
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What a load of crap you obviously have no relationship with lids berens. He is his own man who tries to follow what the coaches want. I wish people would stop trying to pull our players down.
Am only reporting what I was told by those who have intimate knowledge of the lad & is commonly known around the Club. ("Obviously" is a word that should not be used when stating an opinion BTW. Oh and he stated himself he hadn't been following what the coaches wanted.)
Not trying to bring him down, so back off and build a bridge.
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We have no natural leaders at Richmond other than Cuz.
Richo is a spiritual leader.
Newman is a timid and shy character who does not inspire confidence.
I don't think Lids has any natural leadership qualities yet. We need to find this character. In our clubs case it may not be the best player or one of the best 3 or 4 players but a solid citizen who demands the respect from his peers in much like the way Harley had it at Geelong in 2007.
From what I've seen and heard Cotch and Rance have that natural ability. Jacko was elevated to the leadrship group during the season so the boys obviously think he has some ability as a leader.
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So you are suggesting that Brett maybe too heavily influenced by his Dad or family?
Yes, have heard that from one or two different sources who should know.
I'm not making much sense this week either. Too much red. ;)
Sorry I have to admit I find it a very hard to believe to be honest and still think to use a comparison to Hewitt and expecially Tomic harsh to be honest.
With the Hewitt/Tomic scenario you are talking about overbearing (Tomic), full time travelling (Hewitt & Tomic) and ranting (Tomic again) tennis parents, don't see parents doing that in the AFL
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With the Hewitt/Tomic scenario you are talking about overbearing (Tomic), full time travelling (Hewitt & Tomic) and ranting (Tomic again) tennis parents, don't see parents doing that in the AFL
Damir and Mrs Cloke? ::)
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Damir and Mrs Cloke? ::)
They would be the closest the AFL has to a Tomic/Hewitt scenario. Perhaps I should have inserted the word the "majority of parents"
But I don't think I ever heard the Clokes tell their sons to leave the field because an umpiring decsion has gone against them; like Tomic's father did early this year in Perth I think it was.
I don't see Damir heading onto Gosch's Paddock or Visy Park and training his sons seperately to the the rest of their team mates. There is a very interesting article in one of the papers about how Woodbridge (Aust Davis Cup) has had to tread very softly with dealing with Tomic as to not to upset his father, it is very similar to what used to happen to Phillouposis (sp?) years ago
I don't see the Clokes travelling all around the country side every time their sons play interstate - like the Hewitts do with Lleyton.
Do we see them at games yeah we do
Should Damir Cloke be managing his sons - no he shouldn't and yes some of his comments over the years have been cringe worthy and have made him and his family look like fools (hence why he's nickenamed Damir)
But I still think there is a massive difference between comparing football parents to the extreme cases in tennis in this case the Hewitt/Tomic models
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Agree WP. I don't know what it is about professional tennis but gee they seem to have a disproportionate amount of ego-driven brats.