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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 24, 2009, 02:10:55 AM
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Scully out of TAC Cup decider
Emma Quayle | September 24, 2009
TOM Scully, Melbourne's No. 1 draft choice-in-waiting, will miss tomorrow's TAC Cup grand final after having surgery to mend his injured knee on Tuesday night.
Scully, who will miss the chance to captain the Dandenong Stingrays in their second consecutive grand final, had a small crack in his kneecap repaired and some floating pieces of bone removed from the injured joint.
The midfielder was injured during the Stingrays' 41-point preliminary final win over the Geelong Falcons on Saturday, sat out most of the last quarter after starring early and saw specialist David Young yesterday ahead of his operation.
The injury is expected to keep Scully out of action for only a month, which means he won't be able to compete at next week's draft camp but will be ready to start pre-season training following the November 26 national draft.
The grand final will also unfold without star Calder Cannon Josh Toy who, after being signed by the Gold Coast as a 17-year-old last month, went away on a school trip to China and won't return until the weekend.
The Cannons' side will feature the Western Bulldogs' two father-son prospects for 2010 - Tom Liberatore and Mitch Wallis - with Wallis rated a particularly promising prospect at this early stage.
Cannons midfielder Jake Melksham has finished the season strongly and is tipped to be a top-20 draft pick this year, while Anthony Long - the nephew of Essendon champion Michael - has also shown late promise and should return from an ankle injury for the 4pm match at Etihad Stadium.
Jake Carlisle shapes as one of the better tall players on offer this year, and may become a first-round choice, while Serhat Temel's marking has made a big impression during the finals series and potentially helped shoot him up the draft order. He has taken 21 contested marks and kicked 17 goals in the first three weeks of the finals.
With Scully missing, Gold Coast recruit Matt Shaw and Ryan Bastinac will drive the Dandenong midfield, with Bastinac's kicking among the most highly rated in the draft. Dylan Roberton and the Hallahan brothers - Mitch and James - are others to watch out for, while Adam Treloar will not only represent Dandenong, but line up again on grand final morning for Vic Country in the under-16 grand final.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/scully-out-of-tac-cup-decider/2009/09/23/1253385038110.html
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Gunna sit down and watch - Any idea on which players I should be keeping an eye on? ie In Richmonds sights maybe
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Players in bold were in the U18 champs or rated highly preseason CUB.
Dandenong Stingrays
B: 15 Amalfi 40 Roberton 8 M. Hallahan
HB: 4 Shaw 34 McInnes 16 J. Hallahan
C: 1 Andrews 3 Bastinac 17 Treloar
HF: 14 Heddles 36 Millard 47 Allen
F: 25 Cottrell 32 Pitt 2 Parker
R: 45 Casboult 24 Petropoulos 29 Scully ...... named but not playing
Int: 33 Kerr 10 Gent 37 Sheppard 19 Clifford 23 Mold 31 B. Mitchell 11 Baumgartner 22 Batchelor
Calder Cannons
B: 15 Guthrie 43 Fahey 18 Ezard
HB: 7 Wallis 34 Mitchell 20 Long
C: 2 Prestia 6 Schroder 10 Hine
HF: 17 Hicks 23 Carlisle 33 Hunter
F: 8 Lucin 26 Temel 1 Duhau
R: 29 Fewster 16 Melksham 5 Liberatore
Int: 32 Kefford 19 Lawton 11 McLeod 35 Wall 22 McCallum 3 Thompson 21 Watson 36 Daniher 48 J. Tydell
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The Doggies couldn't have timed their Father-Son options any better. FJ said they had something like 5 or 6 coming through in the next few years. Wallis and Libba jnrs even if they have to use their first round pick on one of them they'll get them for a 20-something picks despite the compromised drafts.
Anyway this is the game last year that Sidebottom pushed himself into first round contention with 10 goals. Interesting to hear if anyone has a blinder today. If it's Carlisle it's unlikely he'll still be around at our pick 19.
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Thompson for Calder is the nephew of Bomber Thomson. He's kicked 29 goals this year.
Mitchell is another one to look at CUB.
Calder's tall targets up forward giving them the advantage so far.
Calder 7.0-42
Dandy 3.4-22
Goals (not complete):
Calder: Temel 2, Fewster, Mitchell, Hicks, Thompson
Dandy: Bastinac
Temel, Carlisle, Mitchell started well.
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Half-time
Calder 7.0 13.2-80
Dandy 3.4 9.7-61
Goals (incomplete):
Calder - Temel 3, Mitchell 3, Thompson 3, Fewster, Hicks, Wallis
Dandy - Pitt 2, Shaw 2, Bastinac, M.Hallahan, Millard, Petropoulos
Melksham BOG in the first half for Calder.
Bastinac best for Dandy.
Whoever wins it out of the middle seems to score.
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Leading Possie getters in first half .....
Andrews 13
Bastinac 10
Melksham 12
Lucin 11
Libba 10
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3/4 time
Calder 7.0 13.2 15.7 -97
Dandy 3.4 9.7 10.11-71
Goals:
Calder - Temel 4, Mitchell 3, Thompson 3, Fewster, Hicks, Wallis, McCallum, ?
Dandy - Pitt 2, Shaw 2, Treloar, Bastinac, M.Hallahan, Millard, Petropoulos, Kerr
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Calder Cannons are premiers
TAC Cup Medal winner - Jake Melksham
Final Score
Calder 7.0 13.2 15.7 17.10-112
Dandy 3.4 9.7 10.11 14.14- 98
Goals:
Calder - Temel 5, Mitchell 3, Thompson 3, Fewster, Hicks, Wallis, McCallum, Hunter, ?
Dandy - Pitt 3, Shaw 2, Treloar, Bastinac, M.Hallahan, Millard, Petropoulos, Kerr, Amalfi, Cottrell, McInnes
Best:
Calder: Melksham, Wallis, Mitchell, Lucin, Libba, Temel, Thompson (first half)
Dandy: Bastinac, Andrews, Parker (2nd half)
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2009 TAC Cup
Dandenong Stingrays 3.4 9.7 10.11 14.14 (98)
Calder Cannons 7.0 13.2 15.7 17.10 (112)
GOALS:
Dandenong Stingrays: Pitt 3 Kerr 2 Millard McInnes Cottrell Petropoulos Bastinac Hallahan Shaw Amalfi Treloar
Calder Cannons: Temel 5 Thompson 3 Mitchell 3 Carlisle Hicks Fewster McCallum Wallis Hunter
BEST:
Dandenong Stingrays: Bastinac Millard Gent Petropoulos Hallahan Kerr
Calder Cannons: Melksham Temel Liberatore Hunter Lucin Watson
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=8&pg=1&a=MR_
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I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.
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I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.
You regularly portray yourself as an expert on our list management and recruiting. Even Blind Freddie could see that Melksham and Bastinac are going to be very good players, and there were others as well, especially some of the under-age guys.
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Emma Quayle's match report....
Cannons on target to clinch flag
Emma Quayle | September 26, 2009
AT THE AFL draft camp next week, a new kicking drill will give recruiters a closer look at how well their favoured young prospects execute the game's definitive skill. Yesterday, clean kicking was the most decisive component in the TAC Cup grand final, the Calder Cannons' 12-straight goal start enough to hold the Dandenong Stingrays at bay for the rest of the afternoon, and deliver the junior club its fifth premiership in eight seasons.
While the Stingrays were never out of the grand final, they were never quite able to fully insert themselves in it either, at least enough to make the Cannons shake. In the first few moments of the match, Calder midfielder Jake Melksham trapped the ball in the centre square and sent it forward, where Brendan Fewster marked and kicked the first goal. At the next bounce, Melksham again gathered the ball on the edge of the square, carrying it to the 50-metre line and passing to Serhat Temel in the goal square. He kicked the first of his five goals, and the Cannons had the break they needed.
It was one they quickly extended: at quarter-time they had scored seven goals straight to Dandenong's 3.4, Temel kicking another, Jake Carlisle and Luke Mitchell slotting tricky set shots before Jacob Thompson soccered one though in the goal square and Robbie Hicks accidentally backheeling another through. Early goals to the Gold Coast-bound Matt Shaw and Mitch Hallahan in the first few minutes cut the margin, but Calder still couldn't miss, stretching its score out to 12 goals straight before a Temel set shot 23 minutes into the quarter slid across the face of the goals for its first behind.
The second half, essentially, was about Dandenong pushing to within a few goals, and Calder manufacturing another score shortly afterwards to push that little bit further ahead. The Stingrays, chasing their first flag, finished 14 points behind at the final siren, as close as they'd been almost all night. With Tom Scully missing after early-week knee surgery, Dandenong did well to cover the star midfielder. Ryan Bastinac worked his way into the game and Luke Parker and Dylan Roberton were also impressive, while Rohan Kerr also stood out with some of his work to get the ball inside his side's forward line.
The Cannons were missing their own star, with Josh Toy, another Gold Coast draftee, in China on a school trip. But, ultimately, they probably just had a few too many good players. Melksham turned his match-shaping start into a 24-possession game. He won the ball inside, slipped outside when the time was right and gave his teammates the best possible chance to mark the ball with some of his passing into the forward line. Nine minutes into the second term he broke away from a pack on the wing, allowing Thompson to float into the mark. Later, he poked another long pass into Temel's hands.
His first dozen possessions ran at an 88 per cent efficiency rate and, while his position in the draft pool wasn't really known around the middle of the season, he seems to have confirmed his place in the first two rounds come November. He won the TAC Medal as best player on ground.
BEST
Calder: Melksham, Temel, Mitchell, Thompson, Wallis, Carlisle.
Dandenong: Bastinac, Parker, Roberton, Kerr.
PLAYER WATCH
Jake Melksham (Calder)
Got the Cannons rolling with the first two centre clearances, both resulting in goals. Won plenty of the ball, bounced more as the game went on and some of his kicking into the forward line set teammates up perfectly. A possible first round-top 20 pick.
Jake Carlisle (Calder)
Starting forward, Carlisle kicked an early goal but otherwise wasn't heavily involved. Nonetheless, he is a tall, versatile type who looms as a first-round pick.
Ryan Bastinac (Dandenong)
Bastinac's clean kicking should see him get drafted inside the first few rounds. He gathered 24 possessions and led his team well.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/cannons-on-target-to-clinch-flag/2009/09/25/1253813614143.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Melksham - 24 possessions, 7 inside 50s
Tom Liberatore, son of Bulldog great Tony, and Mitch Wallis, Stephen's lad, gathered 27 and 21 possessions respectively for the Cannons.
Brendan Fewster, already 198cm tall, impressed in the ruck for Calder with 22 hit-outs to go with his 10 possessions.
Ryan Bastinac, another potential first-round selection, impressed for the Stingrays with 24 touches and a goal
Luke Parker (21) and Madison Andrews (20) were also prominent.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85349/default.aspx
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I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.
You regularly portray yourself as an expert on our list management and recruiting. Even Blind Freddie could see that Melksham and Bastinac are going to be very good players, and there were others as well, especially some of the under-age guys.
You're right GB. There were a number of underage players in the game last night. Wallis, Libba jnr, Shaw, Treloar (who played today as well in the U16 champs final) off the top of my head. I could see Melksham going in the 2nd round and Bastinac a late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder.
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A Bastinac will be the type of player who may still be around for our possible multiple 2nd/3rd round picks (assuming we trade Raines, Tuck, etc away).
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I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.
Here is the direct quote you requested in the draft discussion thread.
This is a very similar thing as saying that you wouldn't draft anyone that played in that match. Melksham and Bastinac played in that match, therefore it follows that my statement that you didn't think they were worth drafting is supported.
You can find the direct quote here, and see that I haven't altered anything.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10142.msg161169#msg161169
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I tuned out very early on. I think they were all a pretty average bunch. Temel is overated. I wouldnt be in a rush to draft anyone from either of these two sides and thats pretty bad considering they were playing of for the grand final.
Here is the direct quote you requested in the draft discussion thread.
This is a very similar thing as saying that you wouldn't draft anyone that played in that match. Melksham and Bastinac played in that match, therefore it follows that my statement that you didn't think they were worth drafting is supported.
You can find the direct quote here, and see that I haven't altered anything.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10142.msg161169#msg161169
Your own words and your own quotes are bringing down your argument like a house of cards Gordon. You say
"This is very similar thing" - Since when has the word similar meant the same thing as the word same? NEVER! I also said that I would not be in a rush to draft ... thats right Gordy... No rush, that doesnt mean undraftable, just means that if they fall down the order then they would of been decent selections.
Youve behaved badly Gordon. You owe me an apology.