One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 03, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
-
Jack played 20 games in 2009 to take his career tally to 46. Kicked 32 goals for the year including a career best haul of 6 goals against the Bombers in round 17.
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B (total)
2007: 8 6.6 3.1 1.5 7.3
2008: 18 10.8 4.8 2.1 18.8
2009: 20 12.9 6.4 2.4 32.27
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1751
So how did we all rate Jack's 3rd year?
-
i thought he went well based on the teams lack of success.
hopefully he keeps on improving though.
-
some confidence in his kicking would do him the world of good, needs a bigger body around him, maybe thats the thinking behind resigning simmons, reasonable year from jack, on the way up
-
I gave him an 8, which was perhaps a touch generous, but I think for a 3rd year kpp he did really well
He's had steady improvement year on year and so far is the best kpp from his draft
I'll judge him more harshly next year, but he needs help, hopefully Post can be that help
-
I gave him 7/10 but I agree with Infamy that he is judged harshly as a 20 year old playing in an undersized forward line and in a team that only goes inside 50 about 8 times a quarter ::). On stats alone he more than doubled the number of shots on goal he had from 2008. One of the small few Tigers to actually improve this year. The only major criticism is his goalkicking accuracy is inconsistent but he's not pat malone at Richmond on that front this year. Hopefully Hardwick and Lade are coaches that take goalkicking practice seriously at training.
The test for Riewoldt next year will be when Richo returns. Will our mids go back to being Richo-centric when the big fella is playing in the forward line and deprive our other young forwards of scoring opportunities.
-
6/10 for me. The good mixed with the bad from Jaaack.
Tough gig for most of the year but he'll need to improve because it won't get any easier.
-
Looked good and bad in the same game. Remember the Sydney game and the Mattner tackle. Yet buttered up and kicked a goal from 50 a few minutes later.
Kicking needs to improve significantly. Needs to get some confidence in it. I thought last year he was okay with his kicking for goal so it has definentely gone backwards in 2009. Can in the thick of it one week and be non existent the next. Needs to get some help from bigger bodies and the way it is delivered will help also.
-
I gave him 7/10 but I agree with Infamy that he is judged harshly as a 20 year old playing in an undersized forward line and in a team that only goes inside 50 about 8 times a quarter ::). On stats alone he more than doubled the number of shots on goal he had from 2008. One of the small few Tigers to actually improve this year. The only major criticism is his goalkicking accuracy is inconsistent but he's not pat malone at Richmond on that front this year. Hopefully Hardwick and Lade are coaches that take goalkicking practice seriously at training.
The test for Riewoldt next year will be when Richo returns. Will our mids go back to being Richo-centric when the big fella is playing in the forward line and deprive our other young forwards of scoring opportunities.
Thanks MT, saved me the trouble of typing out almost the exact same words!
-
5 - He's getting there another BIG step required next year.
-
I gave him a five
When he is good he is very very good, when he is ordinary, he is bad. The gap between the two is just a bit to large at the minute.
I was reading yesterdays Age and article about John Butcher and it highlighted that some recruiters are saying that one of the frustrations with Butcher is one week he will do the little things defensively, the tackling, the chasing, etc then the next week he will just stand and not do any of those things...
I thought to myself that sounds like Jack and couple of our other young players
-
I gave him a five
When he is good he is very very good, when he is ordinary, he is bad. The gap between the two is just a bit to large at the minute.
I was reading yesterdays Age and article about John Butcher and it highlighted that some recruiters are saying that one of the frustrations with Butcher is one week he will do the little things defensively, the tackling, the chasing, etc then the next week he will just stand and not do any of those things...
I thought to myself that sounds like Jack and couple of our other young players
Which makes the coming season under a coaching regime with a totally different outlook all the more interesting. We will know a hell of a lot more about our list this time next year.
-
I was reading yesterdays Age and article about John Butcher and it highlighted that some recruiters are saying that one of the frustrations with Butcher is one week he will do the little things defensively, the tackling, the chasing, etc then the next week he will just stand and not do any of those things...
I can think of a few other of our young blokes doing that but not Jack.
-
59 shots at goal is not a bad return for young Jack.
4th year is going to be interesting.....Thats when his cousin came of age.
45 + goals next year would be very very nice.
55 + goals next year will make me wet myself.
-
I was reading yesterdays Age and article about John Butcher and it highlighted that some recruiters are saying that one of the frustrations with Butcher is one week he will do the little things defensively, the tackling, the chasing, etc then the next week he will just stand and not do any of those things...
I can think of a few other of our young blokes doing that but not Jack.
You can borrow some of my 2009 H&A season DVD's and I'll highlight what I mean ;D
I have alot of time for the kid but his defensive mindset (like so many young players) needs to switched on all the time not part of the time. Mitch Morton does it too BTW
-
I gave him a five
When he is good he is very very good, when he is ordinary, he is bad. The gap between the two is just a bit to large at the minute.
I was reading yesterdays Age and article about John Butcher and it highlighted that some recruiters are saying that one of the frustrations with Butcher is one week he will do the little things defensively, the tackling, the chasing, etc then the next week he will just stand and not do any of those things...
I thought to myself that sounds like Jack and couple of our other young players
So let me get this straight, you rated Jack and Hislop the same. I will not even bother............
Just when you think you have heard it all somebody comes out with something even more ridiculas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
WP just explained his reason for giving Jack a 5, and he explained his reason on the Hislop thread for why he gave him a 5. You think that it is ridiculous for rating them the same, and that is fine! But if WP can give explanations for his ratings then you sould give explanationss for why you think it is ridiculous!
BTW, Jack gets a 7 from me, bad kicking hurting him!
-
3, becuase he is spasticus autisticus.
-
So let me get this straight, you rated Jack and Hislop the same. I will not even bother............
Just when you think you have heard it all somebody comes out with something even more ridiculas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D That's funny......
I don't know why I bother.... but here goes..... they play different roles. So based on their positions & roles within in the team I thought Jack's year was worth a 5
And regarding Hislop based on the role which he was given (which as I said what people think of that role is a totally seperate discussion point) I'd give a 5 as well....
-
So let me get this straight, you rated Jack and Hislop the same. I will not even bother............
Just when you think you have heard it all somebody comes out with something even more ridiculas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D That's funny......
I don't know why I bother.... but here goes..... they play different roles. So based on their positions & roles within in the team I thought Jack's year was worth a 5
And regarding Hislop based on the role which he was given (which as I said what people think of that role is a totally seperate discussion point) I'd give a 5 as well....
With all due respect WP, you saying these guys had the same impact in their respective positions and their roles is just insulting to Jack.
Jack kicked 30 odd goals in a forward line that is terrible at best and an on ball group that cannot even 'get it' and when they do finally 'get it', most cannot kick.
And Hislop, I would not even know what his role is? He doesn't play small, and he doesn't play tall. He is not quick, cannot mark and his kicking is average.
Maybe it is just me? But these two were miles apart this year.