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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 09, 2009, 04:45:40 AM
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It is unclear whether Melbourne, with first pick in the pre-season draft, would draft Ball.
Richmond's stance, too, was unclear. Fremantle was said to be interested in Ball if he became available.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/pies-hopes-of-snaring-ball-fade/2009/10/08/1254701108667.html
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I'd be interested for sure.
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I am not a fan of trading for Ball but would have to consider it in the PSD.
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should we chase him for PSD pick 2
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He wont be around Pick 2 Melbourne will definitely get him.
Straight in for McLean's position.
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I reckon he'll sign a short term deal with St Kilda.
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Would be over the moon with one of Ball or Jesse Smith
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So who is left to enter the PSD?? We will probably have to wait for the final list lodgements and then pick the worst player left like we normally do..... :whistle
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Collingwood i believe will Draft him in the National Draft.
:)
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Tim Harrington from Melbourne was on SEN and said Melbourne had spoken to Ball's management with the prospective hope of him going to them in the PSD.
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Collingwood i believe will Draft him in the National Draft.
:)
not sure how they could , their 1st pick is 30
I dont think you can put a price on your head in the ND - only the PSD
Happy to be proved wrong
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Pick him Richmond, we could do with his leadership. Of course in December so it costs nix.
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Collingwood i believe will Draft him in the National Draft.
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not sure how they could , their 1st pick is 30
I dont think you can put a price on your head in the ND - only the PSD
Happy to be proved wrong
You're wrong
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Would be over the moon with one of Ball or Jesse Smith
jesse smith is a super talent but three clubs put him thru a medical. mate his ankle is stuffed the word is he will be lucky to play footy of any sort yet alone afl.
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You're wrong
Simply stating im wrong is hardly proof
so someone like a scully can put a price on his head or can only delisted / uncontracted players ?
cheers
edited to correct quote
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Ball can come for a two year contract at reasonable coin. Otherwise Melbourne can have him.
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steer clear.
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My understanding is that in 2007 the commision changed the rules too:
Any uncontracted player by the end of October can nominate for the National Draft*
The negatives for someone like Luke Ball is that he'd potentially be on a salary of the equivalent of an 18 year old, unless negotiations were in place. This way he also risks being picked up by any of the 16 clubs.
If he elects to go into the Pre Season Draft. He is able to put a price on his head per year and roll the dice to see if a club will pick him up. More than likely the figure is quiete low unless negotiations with a specific club has been done to get him to that specific club and shoo away any other clubs wanting to pick him up for a bargain.
*Im pretty sure thats correct, there may be restrictions on players contracted that particular year*
So as it stands if he doesn't sign with St.Kilda he has no AFL club and needs to nominate for the National Draft and its a lottery who picks him up and where. If he decides not to do that he must go through the Pre Season Draft where he puts a contract on teh table for himself and a club has to draft him and agree to the contract he has proposed.
He will either sign with St.Kilda or he'll go through the pre season draft with a huge coin over his head and Melbourne will either pick him up with all the room in the SC they have left or he may slip to Collingwood who I think can afford him.
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Any player that has previously been on an AFL list can nominate a salary prior to the draft.
For example David Spriggs and Fraser Gehrig (after changing his mind on retirement) both did this, but there's been many others.
Its mentioned at the start of draft procedings that player # xxxxx has submitted their contract details and selecting him is acceptance of those terms
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A player like Luke Ball is unlikely to nominate for the ND
Most de-listed players nominate for the PSD only
I reckon he will end up at Melbourne
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Agreed, he's unlikely to go into the ND unless he thinks its the most likely way he'll get to his club of choice
PSD to Melbourne or he'll resign
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Let him go, I would be happy to pick up McDonald for nothing in the PSD. Quite frankly I belive Tucky is a better player then Ball anyway,he is certainly more consistant.
I t will be interesting to see who is available.
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Let him go, I would be happy to pick up McDonald for nothing in the PSD. Quite frankly I belive Tucky is a better player then Ball anyway,he is certainly more consistant.
I t will be interesting to see who is available.
An extra experienced mid fielder would not hurt richmonds cause, unless that cause is to tank. He has a habit of doing incredibly dangerous and foolhardy things on the field and getting injured, so I'm in two minds. He wouldn't hurt, on balance I'd probably take him.
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But Richmond, which has the No. 2 pick in the pre-season draft, hasn't ruled out interest in securing Ball.
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said yesterday that the club would meet this week to discuss whether Ball fitted into its criteria.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/demons-bait-to-lure-ball/2009/10/10/1255019653288.html
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Let him go, I would be happy to pick up McDonald for nothing in the PSD. Quite frankly I belive Tucky is a better player then Ball anyway,he is certainly more consistant.
I t will be interesting to see who is available.
An extra experienced mid fielder would not hurt richmonds cause, unless that cause is to tank. He has a habit of doing incredibly dangerous and foolhardy things on the field and getting injured, so I'm in two minds. He wouldn't hurt, on balance I'd probably take him.
Because he is trying to get the ball!
not looking around scratching his nuts like Tivendale, McMahon etc.
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But Richmond, which has the No. 2 pick in the pre-season draft, hasn't ruled out interest in securing Ball.
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said yesterday that the club would meet this week to discuss whether Ball fitted into its criteria.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/demons-bait-to-lure-ball/2009/10/10/1255019653288.html
So has "our process" now been replaced by our "criteria" :rollin
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But Richmond, which has the No. 2 pick in the pre-season draft, hasn't ruled out interest in securing Ball.
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said yesterday that the club would meet this week to discuss whether Ball fitted into its criteria.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/demons-bait-to-lure-ball/2009/10/10/1255019653288.html
So has "our process" now been preplaced by our "criteria" :rollin
The new speak is definitely getting a workout isn't it lol.
After offloading Cogs because injury had reduced him to a slow struggling inside midfielder then I can't see Ball fitting our "criteria". Having said that if Melbourne want Ball then it's out of the RFC's hands anyway.
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Im not a big fan of Luke Ball, but comparing him and Cogs is poo and sugar.
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But Richmond, which has the No. 2 pick in the pre-season draft, hasn't ruled out interest in securing Ball.
Tigers football manager Craig Cameron said yesterday that the club would meet this week to discuss whether Ball fitted into its criteria.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/demons-bait-to-lure-ball/2009/10/10/1255019653288.html
So has "our process" now been replaced by our "criteria" :rollin
Such a load of wank
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Tigers keep eye on Luke Ball
Jon Ralph | Herald Sun October 14, 2009
RICHMOND has entered the race for disenchanted Saint Luke Ball, with the Tigers desperate to win his leadership skills as well as his football ability.
New coach Damien Hardwick has endorsed the club's decision, made on Friday afternoon after the club assessed its list after the trade period.
The club is aware Melbourne would be able to meet Ball's financial terms, but Richmond still has a powerful position to win a player in December's pre-season draft. Ball might prefer to slot into a Richmond midfield full of young talent, rather than be seen as the sole shining light in a Melbourne midfield that is exciting, but extremely raw.
The former St Kilda captain is travelling in America and has not yet made a decision on his future, or any potential new home.
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale said yesterday the club - with pick No. 2 in the pre-season draft - would actively chase Ball when he returned from his holiday.
"He is an impressive bloke. We had a chat on Friday afternoon and if Luke Ball was available we would have a really serious look at him," Gale said yesterday.
"If he nominates for the national draft, we would be reserving those selections for kids, but in the pre-season draft it would be a real possibility."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-keep-eye-on-luke-ball/story-e6frf9jf-1225786845272
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He's not in America unless he left in the last couple of days, I know a lot of the Saints players are over there though
He was at the Nest Hotel in Port Melbourne on Saturday night
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Tigers keep eye on Luke Ball
Jon Ralph | Herald Sun October 14, 2009
RICHMOND has entered the race for disenchanted Saint Luke Ball, with the Tigers desperate to win his leadership skills as well as his football ability.
Right attitude from the club.
If we picked him up in the PSD I would be rapt. Having a young midfield group learning from Cuz and Ball about putting your body on the line and busting a gut would be terrific for us.
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Would love to get him but would not want to go in a bidding war with Melbourne and overpay him. Yes he would be good and add a little more experience.
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Cousins, Tuck, Ball
Deledio, Tambling, Cotchin, Martin/Trengrove, Foley, Collins
:cheers
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Where are we with respect to 92.5% TPP at the moment?
Bowden x 0.5, Johnson, Brown would have been on decent money. Cogs, Pettifer, Raines, Schulz, Pattison, Hughes, JON also gone (in something resembling highest to lowest earners) also gone. We'll only pick up Farmer and 8-9 kids if what Benny Gale said the other day is true. Deledio's new contract, Cuz's new contract.....
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If he is there at pick 2 in the PSD then we must take him, he is 25 years old and not passed it nor is has his body or his skill, hardness at the ball and mentoring skill left him.
He would be an asset at the club for many reasons and I have just named a few. Leadership, imagine him and Cousins down there leading the younger midfielders on. Imagine game day when players like Foley, Deledio, Collins and Tambling finally get the protection they need in the centre because Ball and Cuz are sheparding players off them.
Do we need Ball???? My oath, will we get Ball, probably not, the only way we could is if Ball over prices himself so he can get to the Tigers and tells Melbourne not to even try getting him. It has worked in the passed with other high profile players going to clubs at about pick 4.
Lets just hope IMO.
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Melbourne, Richmond, Fremantle and North Melbourne appear unlikely to poach the veteran goalkicker [Bradshaw], instead pouring their efforts into Luke Ball.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/swans-to-swoop-on-bradshaw/story-e6frf9jf-1225787879523
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Melbourne, Richmond, Fremantle and North Melbourne appear unlikely to poach the veteran goalkicker [Bradshaw], instead pouring their efforts into Luke Ball.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/swans-to-swoop-on-bradshaw/story-e6frf9jf-1225787879523
I wouldn't get your hopes up over Luke ball. He's staying at st kilda.
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Brisbane enters the fray for Ball
MELBOURNE may hold the cards to the future of disgruntled St Kilda midfielder Luke Ball if he decides to nominate for the national or pre-season drafts, but it is understood the Brisbane Lions have entered the race and St Kilda officials have pursued him to New York.
The Saints haven't given up hope of retaining Ball, who fell out of favour last season after twice being dropped to VFL affiliate Sandringham, with two club officials reportedly flying to New York to speak to Ball, who is holidaying there.
A source at the Lions yesterday told The Sunday Age that they would be prepared to sacrifice their first pick in the AFL draft (No. 27 overall), which is three selections ahead of Collingwood (pick 30), which is also still interested in Ball after a trade-week deal failed.
The Lions have already netted two midfielders in the trade period - former Saint Xavier Clarke and former Tiger Andrew Raines - along with former Swan utility Amon Buchanan.
But the Demons haven't ruled out plucking Ball with their fourth pick overall (pick 18) in the draft and are also negotiating with Ball's management to potentially take him in the pre-season draft.
Richmond has also said it would gamble its second selection in the pre-season draft for Ball if he was still available, but ruled out using an early pick in the national draft.
Ball's manager Paul Connors told The Sunday Age yesterday that a decision on Ball's preferred destination was still at least two weeks away: ''He's away, I'm away, we'll chat when we're all back.''
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/brisbane-enters-the-fray-for-ball/2009/10/17/1255624774815.html
Voss must of been a big fan of trading footy cards when he was a kid.
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
he isn't going anywhere
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
That caller obviously knows crap then.
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
That caller obviously knows crap then.
I had quality mail he would stay. He won't be popular with his soon to be ex teammates if the report is true
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So is he leaving now or not? Its better for us if he leaves St Kilda. Melbourne will either be forced to take him 1 in the PSD or maybe use 18 in the National draft.
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I hope someone picks him up before pick 19! Can only be good for us :pray
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I hope someone picks him up before pick 19! Can only be good for us :pray
I'd prefer he go into the PSD so we have the 1st live pick as he will commit to Melbourne
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
he isn't going anywhere
Not once but twice! Good call!!! :lol
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
he isn't going anywhere
Not once but twice! Good call!!! :lol
Not that i really care one way or the other but didn't St Kilda take their offer off the table?
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Caro says Ball isn't interested in going to Richmond or Melbourne.
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
he isn't going anywhere
Not once but twice! Good call!!! :lol
got nothing to say troll?
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Caro says Ball isn't interested in going to Richmond or Melbourne.
Thats really funny. Going into the National Draft he gets zero say!
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Caro says Ball isn't interested in going to Richmond or Melbourne.
Thats really funny. Going into the National Draft he gets zero say!
that's true but Caro (and Healy as well) hinted that he may price himself into a position where he gets to where he wants
Also Bailey was on SEN (either yesterday morning or last Friday) and when asked if Luke Ball said to him he doesn't want to go to Melbourne would the Demons still draft him and Baliey said NO, if a player doesn't want to be at Melbourne then he doesnt' want them at Melbounre
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LUKE Ball's career at St Kilda is over after the disgruntled midfielder informed the club he wanted to play elsewhere in 2010.
Ball has nominated for this month's NAB AFL Draft, with Melbourne perhaps best poised to secure him.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=86780
Will be interesting to see who takes him and what draft pick they reckon he's worth. I think collingwood were offering their first round pick for him during trade week.
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that's true but Caro (and Healy as well) hinted that he may price himself into a position where he gets to where he wants
Also Bailey was on SEN (either yesterday morning or last Friday) and when asked if Luke Ball said to him he doesn't want to go to Melbourne would the Demons still draft him and Baliey said NO, if a player doesn't want to be at Melbourne then he doesnt' want them at Melbounre
Agreed WP but there are no guarantees - anyone with room in the cap can take him if he's still around. He will obviously have an idea and will have spoken to some clubs but you just never know. Nick Stevens anyone?
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I can't see Ball going for a first round pick. Maybe a late second rounder or a third round pick. With that said, He could go anywhere. Thank God it won't be us! I think he is 2 years past his best footy and it appears the Saints may be thinking the same thing. The only recycled I would consider would be Bradshaw but I'd be just as happy if the club decides to avoid all the recycled players.
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that's true but Caro (and Healy as well) hinted that he may price himself into a position where he gets to where he wants
Also Bailey was on SEN (either yesterday morning or last Friday) and when asked if Luke Ball said to him he doesn't want to go to Melbourne would the Demons still draft him and Baliey said NO, if a player doesn't want to be at Melbourne then he doesnt' want them at Melbounre
Agreed WP but there are no guarantees - anyone with room in the cap can take him if he's still around. He will obviously have an idea and will have spoken to some clubs but you just never know. Nick Stevens anyone?
Dead right smokey, he really has no choice, he can nominate Collingwood all he wants but Melboune will get him if they want to play hard ball (pardon the pun). Nick Stevens is the classic example, funny he wanted the Pies as well.
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Melbourne threatening to use pick 11 to get Ball
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dees-in-box-seat-to-trump-pies-ball-bid/story-e6frf9jf-1225796240877
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Melbourne threatening to use pick 11 to get Ball
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dees-in-box-seat-to-trump-pies-ball-bid/story-e6frf9jf-1225796240877
Melbourne using such an early pick would be a good result. It will mean 1 youngster that would not have been available at 19 wll now be available.
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I heard or read about Baily's comments that WP mentioned. He said something along the lines of if he sat down and the person in front of him said they didn't want to play for Melbourne then it would be a very short conversation.
For Melbourne to now threaten to select him would be wrong after those comments.
Three clubs have multiple picks in the first round and I can see one of them using a first round pick on him. For the reason OE mentions I hope so.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Sydney got him with pick 14, the pick Collingwood offered and St Kilda rejected??
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If Melbourne use pick 11 to get Ball, does anyone reckon that will change their strategy with regard to picks 1 and 2. That is, can you see them taking three midfielders with their first three picks? :-\
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This is all very interesting. If Ball is picked up in the ND then Melbourne may take Hooper with their first pick in the PSD. Even if Melbourne takes him with pick 11 (a very unlikely scenario IMHO) I don't think they will change their first two selections to include a KPP.
Stripes
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I'd say odds on Thorpe will go to Melbourne if Ball is taken.
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
he isn't going anywhere
Not once but twice! Good call!!! :lol
got nothing to say troll?
Troll!.. Another good call!!!... Might have to start calling you Hutchy.
What else have you got for us???? Whatever it is make sure you tell us all twice!!!! :wallywink
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Latest rumour on SEN is Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda according to some caller who knows a Saint supporter who lives next door to Ball's girlfriend in Upper Beaconsfield.
he isn't going anywhere
Trolly troll troll troll
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Trolly troll troll troll
Talk about diversion
You were wrong, suck it up and cop it on the chin
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Trolly troll troll troll
Talk about diversion
You were wrong, suck it up and cop it on the chin
TWICE!!!!! :thumbsup
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Trolly troll troll troll
Talk about diversion
You were wrong, suck it up and cop it on the chin
You're missing the point
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Trolly troll troll troll
Talk about diversion
You were wrong, suck it up and cop it on the chin
TWICE!!!!! :thumbsup
mate, you are a troll and therefore have no credible say in catching me out on a wrong call. Get it? Carlton troll. You're a peanut.
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Moving right along ::)
Richmond ruled themselves out of the race for Ball yesterday
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matt-maguire-stuff/story-e6frf9jf-1225797099158
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According to Gerard Healy on 3aw, whispers tonight reckons Ball is off to the Demons. Healy didn't say if it'll be in the ND or PSD but that were talking about possibly of Melbourne getting him in the ND.
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According to Gerard Healy on 3aw, whispers tonight reckons Ball is off to the Demons. Healy didn't say if it'll be in the ND or PSD but that were talking about possibly of Melbourne getting him in the ND.
Whispers should go back to work for Freo ;)
he is an idiot.
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According to Gerard Healy on 3aw, whispers tonight reckons Ball is off to the Demons. Healy didn't say if it'll be in the ND or PSD but that were talking about possibly of Melbourne getting him in the ND.
Whispers should go back to work for Freo ;)
he is an idiot.
So where is he going JS... Please enlighten us.
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from today's Herald-Sun
Essendon will shift its attention to former St Kilda midfielder Luke Ball, who could be available to the Dons in the national draft at pick 24 or pick 26.
Not only will Ball provide valuable experience in the absence of McPhee, his departure creates valuable salary cap room.
While not in the top earners at Essendon, he was still well paid and the Bombers can use that money to satisfy Ball's stipulated salary.
Ball has put a price on his head, believed to be $500,000 a year over the first two years of a three-year contract.
What remains to be seen is if Melbourne takes Ball with either pick 11 or 18 in the national draft.
The Demons have not ruled out any strategy, and believe taking Ball at pick 18 would be sensational value given he is only 25 and has outstanding leadership.
Melbourne is unlikely to be scared off by speculation Ball could decide to skip next season and head overseas if chosen by a team he was unwilling to play with.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adam-mcphee-gives-bombers-the-heave-ho/story-e6frf9jf-1225798382559
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If the Dees use pick 18 on Ball all the better. One more kid still available before our second pick.
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Have heard Ball has been battling OP for quite some time....true?
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Have heard Ball has been battling OP for quite some time....true?
Ball did have it at one stage. Not sure if he still does. Like Cogs he's slowed down which is why he was dropped by Lyon during the season.
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Luke Ball was training today with a personal trainer in the Botantical Gardens and Ch 10 had footage of him shaking hands and chatting with Damien Hardwick. So Ch 10 have Richmond as one of the clubs that may be interested in Ball.
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Fox have a news clip on their website that includes this footage. The commentary says that ball wont become a tiger.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26374732-5018851,00.html
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Fox have a news clip on their website that includes this footage. The commentary says that ball wont become a tiger.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26374732-5018851,00.html
Looked like Damien and Brendan were out for a run, good to see them keeping fit.
:cheers
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Fox have a news clip on their website that includes this footage. The commentary says that ball wont become a tiger.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26374732-5018851,00.html
Looked like Damien and Brendan were out for a run, good to see them keeping fit.
:cheers
All the coaches now join in the running with the players at training. Hardwick and co. chugging along 100m or more behind the rest in the heat.
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I'd take him
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Not at 500k per year for 2-3 years when he has an injury ravaged body and is slowing down :help. We wouldn't get Ball anyway as we would have to use pick 19 and we're surely not doing something as stupid like that again :nope.
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MELBOURNE has declared that it would take former St Kilda midfielder Luke Ball with pick 11 or 18 in Thursday's AFL national draft whether he likes it or not.
Demons football operations manager Chris Connolly spoke candidly yesterday saying Ball was being "strongly considered" for either its third or fourth selections before a decision would be rubber-stamped on Wednesday by coach Dean Bailey and Cameron Schwab, who left on a 10-day tour of soccer clubs in the UK and Spain last week.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/ball-likely-to-become-a-demon/2009/11/21/1258220010915.html