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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 28, 2009, 07:42:05 PM
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Delisted today. Hawks agreed to cut him from his contract which had a year to run. Pick 6 in 2006 draft IIRC.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86446/default.aspx
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Can't wait for the thoughts on this one..... :whistle :whistle, lets get him and Jess Smith.... :lol :lol :rollin :rollin
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Hardwick would have indepth knowledge on whether Thorp's injuries are career threatening/ending or not.
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not sure of his physical condition but if he his alright he would be my pick in the PSD. Right age & Size if he can put it all together could be good.
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Lots of unseen potential and ability there but as with Jesse Smith you would need the medicos to give him a good looking over. Going by Hawks fans Thorp was soft and a bit of a ratbag showing disrespect towards their coaches. If that's true then Hardwick would obviously be the best judge.
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Hardwick would have indepth knowledge on whether Thorp's injuries are career threatening/ending or not.
Fair chance Hawthorn might have that knowledge too. :-\
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No!
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I would like us to get him
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No!
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Maybe!!!! :rollin :rollin
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Allegedly in trade week we tried to swap Patto for Thorp but the Hawks wanted as swap of our pick 19 for their 39 as well so it fell through.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=284704&postcount=293
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Just like Smith's ankle, we'd need to know that his hip problems are over, both are just as career threatening. If he walked out with a year to go you'd think he had an offer from elsewhere. I'd be happy to consider him if we thinks he's a half decent chance to get fit enough to play. I'd suggest he'll nominate for the National Draft.
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Its Hardwicks decision. If he is chosen with say 51 in the National Draft or our pick in the PSD then we can assume the coach has made his choice. We should back in the new coach. He is a new coach, its his career, and Id doubt hed be taking massive risks at this stage.
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Coaches call...3rd or 4th pick+ or 2nd pick PSD
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If we tried to trade for him then Hardwick must think his fitness isn't an issue, or is at least worth the punt
Hopefully Melbourne commit to someone in the PSD to give us the first live pick, that way if we want him and he's happy to come to Richmond (given his close mates from Tassie in Hislop & Riewoldt are playing for us) then we can get him to nominate for the PSD only
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
Thorp wouldn't be the first kpp with various injuries in the first few years of his career as he grows into his body and has to handle the athletic demands of AFL at the same time. The next 2-3 years are the ones to know if he'll make it as he's still only 20 years old.
If we can get a pick 6 from the 2006 superdraft who could be a CHF, probably the most important structural position on the ground, for a PSD pick then I'm all for it. As long as any of the groin or foot fracture injuries are not an issue.
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
yep but dont worry cause thier not in RFC sites
Hawthorn have always been after Patto cause he has great protential, Just our development people & coaches cant see it & work on it
can say if Patto gets to another club it will comeback on us
Thorpe + Smith :rollin anyone wanting people who cant take the rigors of AFL football when thier young should look at supporting Coburg reserves :lol
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
yep but dont worry cause thier not in RFC sites
Hawthorn have always been after Patto cause he has great protential, Just our development people & coaches cant see it & work on it
can say if Patto gets to another club it will comeback on us
Thorpe + Smith :rollin anyone wanting people who cant take the rigors of AFL football when thier young should look at supporting Coburg reserves :lol
Like your sex idol Jake King?
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Thorp wouldn't be the first kpp with various injuries in the first few years of his career as he grows into his body and has to handle the athletic demands of AFL at the same time. The next 2-3 years are the ones to know if he'll make it as he's still only 20 years old.
If we can get a pick 6 from the 2006 superdraft who could be a CHF, probably the most important structural position on the ground, for a PSD pick then I'm all for it. As long as any of the groin or foot fracture injuries are not an issue.
DUD
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2 games in 3 years is not a good sign....pick 6 or not.
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
yep but dont worry cause thier not in RFC sites
Hawthorn have always been after Patto cause he has great protential, Just our development people & coaches cant see it & work on it
can say if Patto gets to another club it will comeback on us
Thorpe + Smith :rollin anyone wanting people who cant take the rigors of AFL football when thier young should look at supporting Coburg reserves :lol
Like your sex idol Jake King?
at least Jake King has a go & puts his body on the line
you stick to making up teams up paper ;D :lol cause you dont know poo about football :rollin
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2 games in 3 years is not a good sign....pick 6 or not.
thats correct mat :thumbsup
They are both not up to AFL standard
Shulzs is better than both of them ;D
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2 games in 3 years is not a good sign....pick 6 or not.
Exactamundo and to further amplify these two games he played, one was against us in 2007 , his debut match. Says alot. A Hawk mate of mine said he was at Hawk training last week and that something has hapenned in the inner sanctum there that has seen him out. :shh
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2 games in 3 years is not a good sign....pick 6 or not.
thats correct mat :thumbsup
They are both not up to AFL standard
Shulzs is better than both of them ;D
Exactly. Pick 6?
So what JoN was thereabouts.
Sometimes players simply can't cut the mustard at AFL level and it appears Thorp (who couldn't get a kick at Box Hill) falls squarely into that category.
Heck Cleve Hughes achieved more than this overrated hack.
If we pick him up at pick 2 in the PSD I'll scream.
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
Im with you Tony, Hardwick will no as good as anyone about both his injury and mental state.
If he gives him the all clear I will be happy with that. It's not as if we have to give up pick 6 for him.....
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
yep but dont worry cause thier not in RFC sites
Hawthorn have always been after Patto cause he has great protential, Just our development people & coaches cant see it & work on it
can say if Patto gets to another club it will comeback on us
Thorpe + Smith :rollin anyone wanting people who cant take the rigors of AFL football when thier young should look at supporting Coburg reserves :lol
Like your sex idol Jake King?
at least Jake King has a go & puts his body on the line
you stick to making up teams up paper ;D :lol cause you dont know poo about football :rollin
No use putting your body on the line if you are going to kick sideways across goals in the backline and miss targets.
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
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We pick up more trash lately than the garbos.
yep but dont worry cause thier not in RFC sites
Hawthorn have always been after Patto cause he has great protential, Just our development people & coaches cant see it & work on it
can say if Patto gets to another club it will comeback on us
Thorpe + Smith :rollin anyone wanting people who cant take the rigors of AFL football when thier young should look at supporting Coburg reserves :lol
Like your sex idol Jake King?
at least Jake King has a go & puts his body on the line
you stick to making up teams up paper ;D :lol cause you dont know poo about football :rollin
No use putting your body on the line if you are going to kick sideways across goals in the backline and miss targets.
Yes Paperboy
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
You would not want a highly rated Key forward who taken seven picks before Jack Riewoldt?
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I would be happy to take him @ pick #44
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There is some interesting discussions on Thorp on at Big Footy in particular the Hawthorn board. (Boy do those, um.... people(?) hate Essendon). It's a mission trying to sift through the unintelligible poo but some posts seem to have merit. This may just sum up Thorp
Originally Posted by Number 24 View Post
Mitch Thorp on the other hand is just as much a worry to the club, but for different reasons. One concern is his propensity to reach for the ice pack, especially if he thinks he is not going too well. Another is his lack of desire to take front position. The third is a suspicision that he lasks the nesessary mobility.
Are these my thoughts....NO. They are the thoughts of one very senior coach at Hawthorn. Rusty and ND were privy to this discussion.
THANK YOU!!
this is what i have been saying for a very long time. i have watched many Box Hill games and so many times Thorp will put in a poor effort in a marking contest or when he has to try and win his own ball and he realises he has not gone hard enough and will hold his hamstring or ankle to pretend that is the reason. Then he is back on once the doc checks him out. he is very soft and unfortunately that is hard to fix.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=559972&page=8
You get the impression that he has huge tickets on himself and may not be that popular with the playing group. Attitude problem seems to be the general consensus .
Some of the negative stuff seems to be made with some semblance of an informed decision, while nearly all the the positive is probably teenage girls who think he's cute.
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
You would not want a highly rated Key forward who taken seven picks before Jack Riewoldt?
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I would be happy to take him @ pick #44
do you watch any football other than Richmond. Thorpe reached his peak, he didnot make AFL. its too hard for him. end of story
Rewoldt aint proved anything his a softy
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
You would not want a highly rated Key forward who taken seven picks before Jack Riewoldt?
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I would be happy to take him @ pick #44
What number draft pick you were taken at means Jack S, it's just an indication of how someone rates your potential. It's what you do after you are drafted that counts. Look at the early draft picks that were just shown the door
I don't want to make a habit of quoting from BF, but this is relevant , if true.
There was a story about when he first got to the club (might have even been his first day), he was in the rooms before training and said to Birch "what number pick were you?" Birch replied "how many AFL games have you played?".
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=648360&page=3
You'd like to think that Hardwick would be in a better position than any of us to make a call on this guy and if he does think he turn him around I suppose you would have to trust his judgment. So far he gets a tick for what he has done publicly, but taking this guy on board would get a question mark beside it in my eyes.
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
You would not want a highly rated Key forward who taken seven picks before Jack Riewoldt?
:-\
I would be happy to take him @ pick #44
do you watch any football other than Richmond. Thorpe reached his peak, he didnot make AFL. its too hard for him. end of story
Rewoldt aint proved anything his a softy
riewoldt has proved he was the pick of the KPP of that draft 30 odd goals this year in a team that won 5 matches, couple of 6 & 7 goal hauls, he's proved that he can play good footy at the top level, thats more than I can say for the rest of the bums from that draft, nice try but pepper your spray with some substance next time rather than a simpleminded ill directed boofheaded swipe :o
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Soft, injury prone and hardly cuts it at VFL level...he'll fit right in.
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
You would not want a highly rated Key forward who taken seven picks before Jack Riewoldt?
:-\
I would be happy to take him @ pick #44
do you watch any football other than Richmond. Thorpe reached his peak, he didnot make AFL. its too hard for him. end of story
Rewoldt aint proved anything his a softy
riewoldt has proved he was the pick of the KPP of that draft 30 odd goals this year in a team that won 5 matches, couple of 6 & 7 goal hauls, he's proved that he can play good footy at the top level, thats more than I can say for the rest of the bums from that draft, nice try but pepper your spray with some substance next time rather than a simpleminded ill directed boofheaded swipe :o
Rewoldt is not a KPP his classed as a small forward, he has cut nothing anyone can kick bags of goals one week & get the ass the next just look at Richmond history, Hughes, Shulzs, McGrath, & can go on & on. Rewoldt workrate is the forward line is pathetic just like all the others up there thats why Brown, Pettifer, Hughes, Shulzs got the ass & Rewoldt is next.
Not being boofheaded about it Bojangles l seen alot of talent in my time & Rewoldt dont cut it for me as his weak
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On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
Doesn't mean he's right.
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On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
Doesn't mean he's right.
Doesn't mean he's wrong either, its a judgement call FFS
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Makes a change to see another club getting bagged for their top 10 drafting mistakes ......
Hawks ponder Joel Selwood factor
* Scott Gullan
* From: Herald Sun
* October 31, 2009
HOW many flags would Hawthorn have won with Joel Selwood?
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A string of injuries - osteitis pubis, hip, knee, ankle and this season a broken sesamoid bone in his left foot - hasn't helped the 194cm Tasmanian's cause.
There were also other factors that hastened his exit - he still has a year to run on on his contract - with Thorp's cockiness, which he had from the day he first strutted into the family club, getting him offside with his teammates.
One legendary tale of that confidence came in 2007 when he lined up in the VFL on Geelong captain Tom Harley, who was making his way back from injury.
As the Cats veteran walked up to Thorp at the start of the game, the teen greeted him with: "I'm going to end your career today."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hawks-ponder-joel-selwood-factor/story-e6frf9jf-1225793010155
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As the Cats veteran walked up to Thorp at the start of the game, the teen greeted him with: "I'm going to end your career today."
As much as he sounds like a tosser, he did kick 7 goals in that game
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From Lazza on Y&B....
"I was listening to Liam Pickering discussing Mitch Thorp today. (Liam is his manager). He said that he had had discussions with Craig Cameron and that Die Hard will meet with Mitch sometime in the next couple of weeks. He confirmed that DH had spoken to Mitch by phone. He said that Mitch was a good fit for RFC, especially with his mate Jumpin Jack being there. (or any other club that was rebuilding). At only 20 years of age he said Mitch had a lot to offer - said he was selected at #6 for a reason. He also confirmed that Mitch didn't get on with a few Hawk players due to his cockiness."
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=285228&postcount=483
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Hi all, long time reader first time poster on OER.
On mitch thorpe the bottom line is, Hardwick knows him well and if he feels he's worth the punt, I'll accept that.
OH NO l can feel another Wallace loves McMahon love story coming on :rollin
Hardwick loves Thorpe yep thats all we need a bloke who cant cut it at Box Hill & the poo will start all over again :banghead
You would not want a highly rated Key forward who taken seven picks before Jack Riewoldt?
:-\
I would be happy to take him @ pick #44
do you watch any football other than Richmond. Thorpe reached his peak, he didnot make AFL. its too hard for him. end of story
Rewoldt aint proved anything his a softy
riewoldt has proved he was the pick of the KPP of that draft 30 odd goals this year in a team that won 5 matches, couple of 6 & 7 goal hauls, he's proved that he can play good footy at the top level, thats more than I can say for the rest of the bums from that draft, nice try but pepper your spray with some substance next time rather than a simpleminded ill directed boofheaded swipe :o
Rewoldt is not a KPP his classed as a small forward, he has cut nothing anyone can kick bags of goals one week & get the ass the next just look at Richmond history, Hughes, Shulzs, McGrath, & can go on & on. Rewoldt workrate is the forward line is pathetic just like all the others up there thats why Brown, Pettifer, Hughes, Shulzs got the ass & Rewoldt is next.
Not being boofheaded about it Bojangles l seen alot of talent in my time & Rewoldt dont cut it for me as his weak
Riewoldt is classed as a small forward @ 193cm? Is this a jedi mind trick? :gobdrop
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Rewoldt is not a KPP his classed as a small forward, he has cut nothing anyone can kick bags of goals one week & get the ass the next just look at Richmond history, Hughes, Shulzs, McGrath, & can go on & on. Rewoldt workrate is the forward line is pathetic just like all the others up there thats why Brown, Pettifer, Hughes, Shulzs got the ass & Rewoldt is next.
Not being boofheaded about it Bojangles l seen alot of talent in my time & Rewoldt dont cut it for me as his weak
Riewoldt is classed as a small forward @ 193cm? Is this a jedi mind trick? :gobdrop
Yep, 1 cm shorter than his cousin St Nick. That puts him well and truly out of the class of "small forward" - either that or we are going into next season with a "Land of the Giants" forwardline.
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Rewoldt is not a KPP his classed as a small forward, he has cut nothing anyone can kick bags of goals one week & get the ass the next just look at Richmond history, Hughes, Shulzs, McGrath, & can go on & on. Rewoldt workrate is the forward line is pathetic just like all the others up there thats why Brown, Pettifer, Hughes, Shulzs got the ass & Rewoldt is next.
Not being boofheaded about it Bojangles l seen alot of talent in my time & Rewoldt dont cut it for me as his weak
Riewoldt is classed as a small forward @ 193cm? Is this a jedi mind trick? :gobdrop
Yep, 1 cm shorter than his cousin St Nick. That puts him well and truly out of the class of "small forward" - either that or we are going into next season with a "Land of the Giants" forwardline.
Some reports even have him taller than Nick
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up till now he hasnt played like a true tall forward, more like a medium forward
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up till now he hasnt played like a true tall forward, more like a medium forward
I know this is a bit of a 'chicken vs egg' scenario Ramps but would you say that is because he has been told to play that way or because he is only capable of playing that way? No hidden direction with the question, just interested in your opinion.
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up till now he hasnt played like a true tall forward, more like a medium forward
I know this is a bit of a 'chicken vs egg' scenario Ramps but would you say that is because he has been told to play that way or because he is only capable of playing that way? No hidden direction with the question, just interested in your opinion.
Up till now I have thought that he isnt a key forward and certainly not a power forward, having said that, I want to see what a preseason under Hardwick does for him. Who knows, maybe he goes into the gym and emerges as a tank, that being the case, things may change. As with everything time will tell. This preseason will say alot, if we see him next year, and he hasnt put on any size, then for me he stays a 3rd tall forward.
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This year when I fist saw Jack, The thing that struck me was he was starting to have that mature look about him (physically that is) For his first couple of years he was just a skinny kid, but now you can see he is starting to look like a man, if you know what i mean.His body is not mature and as such it really is a big ask to expect him to be a power forward. Now as his body matures hopefully he can bulk up and take on that role. I think his attack on the ball is such he can take that role, he just needs the bulk.
I don't think its a good thing for a shinny kid to really bulk up until his body does mature. It causes problems down the track so personally I'm not disappointed to not see any bulk on him up until now.
Next year could be the make or break year for Jack. He is a smart footballer who hardly ever wastes a disposal and will kick with his left if on his left side, which makes it harder for defenders to corral him. It is obvious he doesnt kick left naturally, but must work on that, so to me that is also a good sign. He just need to get the pill a bit more more often.
I will admit at times this year he could be accused of not putting in hard enough, especially when things were not going well. In fairness to him, as a skinny kid expected to take on the role of KPF amongst that rabble, with all the poo that went on, I can understand him loosing confidence and becoming disillusioned at times.
I for one reserve any judgment on him at this stage and hope that next year he can really mature, in the body and as a footballer
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This year when I fist saw Jack, The thing that struck me was he was starting to have that mature look about him (physically that is) For his first couple of years he was just a skinny kid, but now you can see he is starting to look like a man, if you know what i mean.His body is not mature and as such it really is a big ask to expect him to be a power forward. Now as his body matures hopefully he can bulk up and take on that role. I think his attack on the ball is such he can take that role, he just needs the bulk.
I don't think its a good thing for a shinny kid to really bulk up until his body does mature. It causes problems down the track so personally I'm not disappointed to not see any bulk on him up until now.
Next year could be the make or break year for Jack. He is a smart footballer who hardly ever wastes a disposal and will kick with his left if on his left side, which makes it harder for defenders to corral him. It is obvious he doesnt kick left naturally, but must work on that, so to me that is also a good sign. He just need to get the pill a bit more more often.
I will admit at times this year he could be accused of not putting in hard enough, especially when things were not going well. In fairness to him, as a skinny kid expected to take on the role of KPF amongst that rabble, with all the poo that went on, I can understand him loosing confidence and becoming disillusioned at times.
I for one reserve any judgment on him at this stage and hope that next year he can really mature, in the body and as a footballer
Anybody know whta jack's current stats are?
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Anybody know whta jack's current stats are?
:)
Drafted: 192cm, 85kg
2007: 192cm, 86kg
2009: 193cm, 87kg
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B (total)
2007: 8 6.6 3.1 1.5 7.3
2008: 18 10.8 4.8 2.1 18.8
2009: 20 12.9 6.4 2.4 32.27
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1751
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Just out of curiosity OE, do you have the same stats for richo from when he stared, compared to say half way though his career and now?
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Just out of curiosity OE, do you have the same stats for richo from when he stared, compared to say half way though his career and now?
Matthew Richardson (average in brackets)
Games Disp Marks Tackles G.B
1993: 14 165 (11.78) 92 (6.57) 5 (0.35) 31.24
1994: 19 185 (9.73) 108 (5.68) 4 (0.21) 56.40
1995: 9 115 (12.77) 60 (6.66) 6 (0.66) 27.3
Richo did his knee vs Swans in 1995.
Jack Reiwoldt (average in brackets)
Games Disp Marks Tackles G.B
2007: 8 53 (6.62) 25 (3.12) 12 (1.5) 7.3
2008: 18 194 (10.77) 87 (4.83) 37 (2.05) 18.8
2009: 20 258 (12.9) 127 (6.35) 48 (2.4) 32.27
Pretty interesting I reckon and not as much between them as you might have thought. A couple of points to note when looking at them - Richo has played in the forward line for a fair bit of Jack's career so Jack has had to play second fiddle somewhat. Richo had immediate impact on the scoreboard whereas Jack is only now starting to. Jack is much better at defensive pressure - Richo's highest tackle count for any one season is only 14 in 2007.
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Thanks smokey, don't have richos height and weight from those early years do you?
Richo did his knee vs Swans in 1995.
Pushed into the fence wansn't he? seemed to be a bit of that that year.
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Thanks smokey, don't have richos height and weight from those early years do you?
Richo did his knee vs Swans in 1995.
Pushed into the fence wansn't he? seemed to be a bit of that that year.
I thought he was just trying to pull up because there was only 30cm between the boundary and fence.
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You may be right. Me recollection is there was a push from a swans player, but that was many beers ago. I do remember noticing a trend amongst those bleeding maggots to help opposition over the boundary, which was very close to the fence, that year.
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Thanks smokey, don't have richos height and weight from those early years do you?
No al, best I could find was this:
"Since making his debut as a gangly 18-year-old, Richardson has added about 20 kilograms to hit the scales at
103 kilograms"
from here:
http://users.vic.chariot.net.au/~richo01/players/richardson.html (http://users.vic.chariot.net.au/~richo01/players/richardson.html)
But while looking I found the list of Rising Star nominations for 1993, the year Richo was nominated. Have a go at this for a year of 'hot' kids:
1 Peter Everitt St Kilda (291 games, 2 club B & F)
2 Shane Crawford Hawthorn (305 games, 2 club B & F, 1 Brownlow, 4 All Australian)
3 Nathan Chapman Brisbane
4 Joe Misiti Essendon (236 games)
5 Scott West Footscray (324 games, 4 club B & F, 5 All Australian)
6 David Neitz Melbourne (306 games, 1 club B & F, 1 Coleman, 2 All Australian)
7 Nathan Buckley Brisbane (280 games, 6 club B & F, 1 Brownlow, 4 All Australian)
8 James Hird Essendon (253 games, 5 club B & F, 1 Brownlow, 5 All Australian)
9 Dustin Fletcher Essendon (311 games, 1 club B & F, 2 All Australian)
10 Matthew Richardson Richmond (276 games*, 1 club B & F, 3 All Australian)
11 Brodie Atkinson St Kilda
12 Glenn Archer North Melbourne (311 games, 2 All Australian)
13 Saverio Rocca Collingwood (257 games, 1 club B & F)
14 Darren Kowal Melbourne
15 Duncan Kellaway Richmond (180 games)
16 Mark Ricciuto Adelaide (312 games, 3 club B & F, 1 Brownlow, 8 All Australian)
17 Ilija Grgic Footscray
18 Ang Christou Carlton (151 games)
19 Ricky Olarenshaw Essendon
20 Mark Mercuri Essendon (207 games, 1 All Australian)
21 Brad Nicholson Footscray
22 Leigh Colbert Geelong (209 games)
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;D I found that too smokey. If we go by that, it puts richo around the 80-85kg mark, pretty much the same as Jack. The description of a gangly kid is pretty much how i remember his early days too. So, there is a chance that Jack could fill out in the next year or two.
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Thanks smokey, don't have richos height and weight from those early years do you?
Richo did his knee vs Swans in 1995.
Pushed into the fence wansn't he? seemed to be a bit of that that year.
I thought he was just trying to pull up because there was only 30cm between the boundary and fence.
You may be right. Me recollection is there was a push from a swans player, but that was many beers ago. I do remember noticing a trend amongst those bleeding maggots to help opposition over the boundary, which was very close to the fence, that year.
Now I think about it.... Did Richo break an arm at the SCG? That could be what I am thinking about.
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Now I think about it.... Did Richo break an arm at the SCG? That could be what I am thinking about.
Nope - broken arm was Adelaide - last few minutes of the game
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Just back on Thorp for a sec. 3aw tonight with Beva and Shaw claimed Thorp was delisted for "attitudal" reasons.
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Pretty interesting I reckon and not as much between them as you might have thought.
Really?
Richo 114 goals in 42 games
Jack 57 goals in 46 games
Back to Thorp we're not seriously entertaining this spud I hope.
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Pretty interesting I reckon and not as much between them as you might have thought.
Really?
Richo 114 goals in 42 games
Jack 57 goals in 46 games
Back to Thorp we're not seriously entertaining this spud I hope.
Yeah MM, you can look at one stat in isolation and use it to make a case, and yeah, you can say the main role of your key forward is to kick goals but in Jack's defence he has had to play 2nd fiddle to Richo for a fair chunk of his career so far, he is now taking just as many marks, and applies far more forward line pressure that by volume increases the team's scoring chances. Hence my opinion - I don't think there is as much between them at this early stage as some (including me) might have thought.
And re: Thorp - he is definitely not one I would be looking at but at least we have some first hand knowledge involved in the decision making.
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Does anyone actually know if this bloke is over his injuries and has started training yet, rumor on BF is he wants to come to the Tiges and we want him???????
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Does anyone actually know if this bloke is over his injuries and has started training yet, rumor on BF is he wants to come to the Tiges and we want him???????
He started preseason training with the Hawks before he was delisted and was reportedly looking very fit
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Does anyone actually know if this bloke is over his injuries and has started training yet, rumor on BF is he wants to come to the Tiges and we want him???????
He started preseason training with the Hawks before he was delisted and was reportedly looking very fit
Cheers Inf!
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Thanks smokey, don't have richos height and weight from those early years do you?
Richo did his knee vs Swans in 1995.
Pushed into the fence wansn't he? seemed to be a bit of that that year.
I thought he was just trying to pull up because there was only 30cm between the boundary and fence.
Wayne, it is on my "Fighting Tiger Spirit" youtube clip if you want to relive it. Its around the 3 minute mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5fWk27ye4
From what I could see, Dunkley shoves him in the back towards the boundary and he props awkwardly in an effort to stop.
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Thanks smokey, don't have richos height and weight from those early years do you?
Richo did his knee vs Swans in 1995.
Pushed into the fence wansn't he? seemed to be a bit of that that year.
I thought he was just trying to pull up because there was only 30cm between the boundary and fence.
Wayne, it is on my "Fighting Tiger Spirit" youtube clip if you want to relive it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-5fWk27ye4
From what I could see, Dunkley shoves him in the back towards the boundary and he props awkwardly in an effort to stop.
Thanks tiga, I was starting to think that my memory had finally gone AWOL :rollin
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Hence my opinion - I don't think there is as much between them at this early stage as some (including me) might have thought.
Personally I think there's a fair gap but anyway. Jack in Richo's absence was really up and down this year.
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Ummmm is this the Mitch Thorp is delisted by Hawthorn thread?
Cos my eyes went funny and i thought i was reading about a debate regarding Jack and Richo....
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Hence my opinion - I don't think there is as much between them at this early stage as some (including me) might have thought.
Personally I think there's a fair gap but anyway. Jack in Richo's absence was really up and down this year.
In terms of getting the pill and putting through the big sticks,yeah, there is. In some other respects (defensive pressure) Jack is better even though he is not consistent with that either. Jack has shown he has got the ability, he just need to step up and perform consistently. Hopefully the new coaching regime can provide the leadership and guidance to help him achieve this, something T Wallet obviously couldn't.
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Ummmm is this the Mitch Thorp is delisted by Hawthorn thread?
Cos my eyes went funny and i thought i was reading about a debate regarding Jack and Richo....
Ditto.
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
You don't have to have a mate who works at the Geelong Falcons to know this story, it was in the paper and was already reported in this thread
The thing is though that Thorp kicked 7 goals in that game
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
You don't have to have a mate who works at the Geelong Falcons to know this story, it was in the paper and was already reported in this thread
The thing is though that Thorp kicked 7 goals in that game
Yes and Jay Schulz kicked 5 against Brisbane one year also...your point is??
Rubbish player like that fruitloop Hooper. Cut from the same cloth they are.
Going backwards if we pick up either of them
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
You don't have to have a mate who works at the Geelong Falcons to know this story, it was in the paper and was already reported in this thread
The thing is though that Thorp kicked 7 goals in that game
Yes and Jay Schulz kicked 5 against Brisbane one year also...your point is??
Rubbish player like that fruitloop Hooper. Cut from the same cloth they are.
Going backwards if we pick up either of them
:thumbsup another Jesse Smith & soon to be Cotchin who cant get on the park fit ;D
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Yes and Jay Schulz kicked 5 against Brisbane one year also...your point is??
Schulz kicked 6 against Brisbane.
Jay is a better footballer than Thorp that's for sure.
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Yes and Jay Schulz kicked 5 against Brisbane one year also...your point is??
Schulz kicked 6 against Brisbane.
Jay is a better footballer than Thorp that's for sure.
The only thing that Jay had going for him was his ability to reel in some quality talent off the field.
Sadly, on the field he was one of the biggest pretenders i have ever seen wear the Yelllow and Black.
Yes i remember it clearly how it was Richo's fault that Jay didnt perform at the level required. Richo always got in his way" "They cant play together" Well Guess what Richo wasnt around this year and Schulz was at his most pathetic.
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
You don't have to have a mate who works at the Geelong Falcons to know this story, it was in the paper and was already reported in this thread
The thing is though that Thorp kicked 7 goals in that game
Yes and Jay Schulz kicked 5 against Brisbane one year also...your point is??
Rubbish player like that fruitloop Hooper. Cut from the same cloth they are.
Going backwards if we pick up either of them
Just putting the comment into context
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Yes i remember it clearly how it was Richo's fault that Jay didnt perform at the level required. Richo always got in his way" "They cant play together"
Blah, blah. For all that he had more talent than Thorp has.
I'll be interested to see how Jay goes under Chocco.
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Mitch Thorp to train with Melbourne
Glenn McFarlane From: Herald Sun November 07, 2009 3:43PM Increase Text Size Decrease Text Size Print Email Share Add to Digg Add to del.icio.us Add to Facebook Add to Kwoff Add to Myspace Add to Newsvine What are these?
DISCARDED Hawk Mitch Thorp will train with Melbourne during the pre-season in a effort to kick-start his AFL career.
Thorp, who turns 21 on Christmas Day, managed only two games for Hawthorn over the past three seasons with a series of injuries and indifferent form limiting his impact.
His manager, Liam Pickering, confirmed today the 194cm forward and one-time No.6 draft pick was hopeful of being selected by the Demons in December's pre-season draft.
"He's a good fit for them, he's a key position player," Pickering said.
Former Tiger Dean Putt will train with Hawthorn, ex-Bulldog Guy O'Keefe at Geelong and former Roo Matt Riggio at Fremantle in the pre-season
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mitch-thorp-to-train-with-melbourne/story-e6frf9lx-1225795298322
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So looks like Thorp may go to the Dees along with just about every other delisted player and out of contract player..... :whistle
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Yes and Jay Schulz kicked 5 against Brisbane one year also...your point is??
Schulz kicked 6 against Brisbane.
Jay is a better footballer than Thorp that's for sure.
So how many games of Thorp's have you seen Mr Magic? I don't know if i want this guy at our club but what makes me laugh is when people judge these kids from so far back it's not funny.
If the kid did say what he did to Harley, so be it. He may be a FIGJAM but if he is half as good as the original (who became captain of his club and won a Brownlow) than we should at least look at him. If a young Carey had said what he had said it would be one of those stories that is legendary.
One last thing, he has had injurys, is still young and been trying to break into a side with two key position forwards that are more than capable, so like other before him, he may just need a new start and an oppontunity.
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
You don't have to have a mate who works at the Geelong Falcons to know this story, it was in the paper and was already reported in this thread
The thing is though that Thorp kicked 7 goals in that game
Bit of a strange post from you Infamy, I'm sorry if my previous offended you.
Regardless I wouldn't want some cowboy that thinks its appropriate to say crap like that to any player. How would we react as Tiger faithful if a Daniel Connors was heard saying stuff like that. It's embarrassing. Don't need that at Richmond especially where we are at.
Thorp is a nobody. I want someone who walks the walk not talks the talk.
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The kid can play. I'd be keen to stay away the guy is a bit of a FIGJAM and would be then next Warren Tredrea.
Mate of mine who works with Gellong Falcons said that when Tom Harley came through the VFL after an injury he lined up on Mitch Thorp.
Harley walked over to Thorp lined up on him and Thorp said:
"Today is the day Mitch Thorp ends you career.."
A nobody 20 year old kid to a premiership captain.. dumb and too big for his own shoes for mine.
You don't have to have a mate who works at the Geelong Falcons to know this story, it was in the paper and was already reported in this thread
The thing is though that Thorp kicked 7 goals in that game
Bit of a strange post from you Infamy, I'm sorry if my previous offended you.
Regardless I wouldn't want some cowboy that thinks its appropriate to say crap like that to any player. How would we react as Tiger faithful if a Daniel Connors was heard saying stuff like that. It's embarrassing. Don't need that at Richmond especially where we are at.
Thorp is a nobody. I want someone who walks the walk not talks the talk.
correct
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Melbourne can have Thorp.
:)
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Rumours around demonland say that Thorp will not be taken by the dees. Stress fractures in the feet apparently. Will be interesting to hear what comes out.
They are pretty keen on McDonald.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=288354&postcount=821
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It makes a nice change to read in the paper a comparison of two top picks and Richmond being the club that got it right :thumbsup. Maybe we need a Jack vs Buddy and a Tambling vs Thorp threads so we're even ;D.
For many, particularly in Thorp's home state of Tasmania, it's something that seemed unfathomable four years ago when the strapping centre half-forward, who was rated superior to his Tassie Mariners teammate Jack Riewoldt, went to Hawthorn at No. 6 in the national draft.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mitch-thorp-faces-chilly-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1225966042266
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LOL.
Like the sentiment OE but I reckon we would have taken Thorp if we had the number 6 pick that year. Though I did hear FJ really liked Jack that year. Do you think we would have taken Jack at 6? I'll leave the Tambling vs Franklin threads to boof head opposition supporters. Like to think I am smart enough to accept that what looks like the correct decision at the time can turn out to be the opposite.
Even so it's nice to be on the other side for a change. :thumbsup
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LOL.
Like the sentiment OE but I reckon we would have taken Thorp if we had the number 6 pick that year. Though I did hear FJ really liked Jack that year. Do you think we would have taken Jack at 6? I'll leave the Tambling vs Franklin threads to boof head opposition supporters. Like to think I am smart enough to accept that what looks like the correct decision at the time can turn out to be the opposite.
Even so it's nice to be on the other side for a change. :thumbsup
Well we did swap pick 8 for 13 in the Polak trade because Miller was confident Jack would last to 13. Lucky Jack did last to 13 as the media would in hindsight have gone to town on us for doing that Polak trade if Jack ended up at another club. I can't recall us being interested in Thorp. As usual with all recruiters after the draft Miller said we got the player we were after.
The other twist to that Polak trade is the 3rd round pick we also gave up for Polly was eventually used by Essendon to grab Houli. So things have come full circle.
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The other twist to that Polak trade is the 3rd round pick we also gave up for Polly was eventually used by Essendon to grab Houli. So things have come full circle.
Good pick up MT. That's another suck of the balls for the bummers this summer.