One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 09, 2009, 12:18:11 AM
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3-year multi-million dollar deal
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/kevin-sheedy-swoops-on-sydney/story-e6frf9jf-1225795572148
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Sorry but Sheedy would have been out of it for too long IMO to give WS the chance of much impact when the time arrives...IMO
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what was Sheedy at Richmond for?
and isn't he still contracted at the club?
he will be 64 turning 65 in 2012?
hmmmmm, the AFL must have A LOT of faith in Mr Sheedy!
:)
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He's going there more to give the new club credibility and a well-known face for the Sydney media and public rather than win premierships so if he's past it it doesn't matter. Just as Barassi did with the Swans. With two years of stacks of early picks and an unlimited supply of cash to make it work, the list building will take care of itself. The Bombers will probably be nervous though now about being raided.
what was Sheedy at Richmond for?
and isn't he still contracted at the club?
He was helping out with membership/marketing but is no longer doing it (left once we turned him down for the senior coaching gig and told him we were going for a younger coach IIRC).
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Sheedy pulled out when he became aware of comments made by March (on the footy show earlier in the year i think) along the lines that Sheedy would not be coaching Richmond.
"At no stage would I really want to be coaching while Gary March is president. I didn't realise he had said on The Footy Show that I would not coach while he is there.
"I feel awkward that I've embarrassed myself and the club. I had not known that was said. I'm putting my hand down so I don't cause a revolution. I actually thought I'd be a revelation."
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25767480-5016212,00.html?from=public_rss
I'd say it's made their working relationship untenable and that's why he left. Another case of someone opening their trap in their desire for the limelight and it coming back to bite them.
More to the point, probably, if that was his attitude, he should have told Sheedy that face to face before sheedy even got to stage he did in the whole episode. Very poorly handled by the President. I wonder if the members will remember that when he is up for re-election?
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what was Sheedy at Richmond for?
and isn't he still contracted at the club?
he will be 64 turning 65 in 2012?
hmmmmm, the AFL must have A LOT of faith in Mr Sheedy!
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got nothing to do with faith its all about the brand that is AFL.
The league know there is only one man who can make this work in that region and thats KS.
Good get IMO, actually great get
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I'd say it's made their working relationship untenable and that's why he left. Another case of someone opening their trap in their desire for the limelight and it coming back to bite them.
More to the point, probably, if that was his attitude, he should have told Sheedy that face to face before sheedy even got to stage he did in the whole episode. Very poorly handled by the President. I wonder if the members will remember that when he is up for re-election?
In fairness to March, this whole episode was badly misquoted by the media and the topic was debated to death at the time on here. It wasn't nearly as simple or cut and dried as K. Sheedy esq made out and March was unfairly treated in the media's reporting. If you run a couple of searches on here and read back through the posts you will see what I mean. I'm not necessarily a March fan or apologist but he copped a very unfair whack with this one because Sheedy is a darling of the AFL and media.
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I wonder if the members will remember that when he is up for re-election?
He has stated more than once that he will step down from the board and will not nominate for re-election at the end of next year.
If so, it will neither matter what the members will remember nor what they choose to remember.
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Sheedy pulled out when he became aware of comments made by March (on the footy show earlier in the year i think) along the lines that Sheedy would not be coaching Richmond.
"At no stage would I really want to be coaching while Gary March is president. I didn't realise he had said on The Footy Show that I would not coach while he is there.
By this point I think it had become clear that KB's push for Sheeds had lost momentum and that he would only be considered through the process. Caro had called it that way. I think Sheeds overreacted to these comments, made no effort to clarfiy with March what he meant and was basically grateful to be able to save a bit of face on not securing the Richmond job without going through a tough selection process.
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The Daily Telegraph has a pic of Sheeds with a Tigers' scarf on their mainpage with the headline "It's War" ???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/Beaussie/728427-sheedy-039-s-plan.jpg)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/kevin-sheedy-officially-appointed-coach-of-western-sydney-afl-team/story-e6frexnr-1225795726173
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They are scared! Very funny to read league supporters comment's about how much they don't care yet go out of their way to spend the time posting this up. ;)
i left a post just to stir the pot a bit further. :cheers
Stripes
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I'd say it's made their working relationship untenable and that's why he left. Another case of someone opening their trap in their desire for the limelight and it coming back to bite them.
More to the point, probably, if that was his attitude, he should have told Sheedy that face to face before sheedy even got to stage he did in the whole episode. Very poorly handled by the President. I wonder if the members will remember that when he is up for re-election?
In fairness to March, this whole episode was badly misquoted by the media and the topic was debated to death at the time on here. It wasn't nearly as simple or cut and dried as K. Sheedy esq made out and March was unfairly treated in the media's reporting. If you run a couple of searches on here and read back through the posts you will see what I mean. I'm not necessarily a March fan or apologist but he copped a very unfair whack with this one because Sheedy is a darling of the AFL and media.
I see what you mean smokey, some interesting discussion.. and yeah reading between the lines of some of what came out there is probably more to it than that one article. I suppose that what happens when your only local newspaper, although syndicated, does not publish all relevant stories and often only half of the articles when they do. I think ill let sleeping dogs lie.
I wonder if the members will remember that when he is up for re-election?
He has stated more than once that he will step down from the board and will not nominate for re-election at the end of next year.
If so, it will neither matter what the members will remember nor what they choose to remember.
I am no longer wondering ;)
An interesting thing i dredged up from those old discussions
"Not at Richmond. I think ideally for one of the Western Sydney and Gold Coast (teams)," Lloyd said when asked whether Sheedy was still capable of senior coaching next year.
I wonder if Lloyd had any money on that.
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They are scared! Very funny to read league supporters comment's about how much they don't care yet go out of their way to spend the time posting this up. ;)
i left a post just to stir the pot a bit further. :cheers
As KL?
Their many ;D "who cares" comments are irrelevant anyway. All footy codes targetting the growing population of Western Sydney is more about attracting new migrants who have no allegiance to a particular code rather than converting hardcore NRL fans. The AFL will need to pour $$$ into GWS for decades to make it work and it'll mostly likely only be a niche market even if it does work.
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Francis Leech on SEN asked if Richmond will end up with egg on their face over this ::). Thankfully Schwarz replied no as Sheeds wasn't the right fit for Richmond.
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Francis Leech on SEN asked if Richmond will end up with egg on their face over this ::). Thankfully Schwarz replied no as Sheeds wasn't the right fit for Richmond.
Not in a million years will Richmond end up with egg on their faces over this appointment
What this proves though is what most of us always knew and that was Sheeds wanted a coaching gig after he left Essendon. He tried Melb, he tried us... now he's found someone who wants him (The AFL)
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They could put JC himself in to coach the team and they will fail to make an impression -peer pressure will ensure that IMO - without the kids there will be no mums and dads - sorry AD
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Francis Leech on SEN asked if Richmond will end up with egg on their face over this ::). Thankfully Schwarz replied no as Sheeds wasn't the right fit for Richmond.
Not in a million years will Richmond end up with egg on their faces over this appointment
What this proves though is what most of us always knew and that was Sheeds wanted a coaching gig after he left Essendon.
Also shows the nostalgic fondness towards Sheeds by some at Richmond wasn't reciprocated by Sheeds. Sheeds would go to any club that would have him as coach. He couldn't have cared less if it was Richmond or not. We need people at the Club who are committed to Richmond.
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They could put JC himself in to coach the team and they will fail to make an impression -peer pressure will ensure that IMO - without the kids there will be no mums and dads - sorry AD
You'd be surprised Mops. I live in Western Sydney and I can tell you that since the time when I first started as an Auskick coach some 8 years ago, AFL has exploded in popularity amongst the youth of Western Sydney. One big factor was the introduction of a selection of Swans games being played at Hombush. Even people who are not AFL fans up here know who Sheedy is. The Swans boosted their profile with Barassi, and although GWS is a new team, I believe his appointment will have a major impact. League is in limbo up here and the clowns running the show have no idea. Even with the recent success of Parramatta making the GF, the NRL are streets behind when it comes to marketing their sport.
Without giving too much away, I work at a private school in Western Sydney with a strong tradition in Rugby League and we already have 5 AFL teams competing in the schools comp. We even have a current AFL player that is an Old Boy of our school. So I think you may find that before too long GWS will have more of an impact than what you might think.
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They could put JC himself in to coach the team and they will fail to make an impression -peer pressure will ensure that IMO - without the kids there will be no mums and dads - sorry AD
You'd be surprised Mops. I live in Western Sydney and I can tell you that since the time when I first started as an Auskick coach some 8 years ago, AFL has exploded in popularity amongst the youth of Western Sydney. One big factor was the introduction of a selection of Swans games being played at Hombush. Even people who are not AFL fans up here know who Sheedy is. The Swans boosted their profile with Barassi, and although GWS is a new team, I believe his appointment will have a major impact. League is in limbo up here and the clowns running the show have no idea. Even with the recent success of Parramatta making the GF, the NRL are streets behind when it comes to marketing their sport.
Without giving too much away, I work at a private school in Western Sydney with a strong tradition in Rugby League and we already have 5 AFL teams competing in the schools comp. We even have a current AFL player that is an Old Boy of our school. So I think you may find that before too long GWS will have more of an impact than what you might think.
I hope you are right tiga. The long term survival and growth of our code depends largely on take-up and assimilation in all states of Australia.........as a starting point.
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A tough Tiger fights back
Caroline Wilson | November 10, 2009
THE campaign to resurrect Kevin Sheedy's coaching career in the AFL's new frontier began in earnest the day the 61-year-old withdrew from the running to take over at Richmond, Sheedy's old home with whom he had rekindled a new but ultimately shallow flirtation.
Sheedy was in Sydney on the day he said that he had been ''embarrassed'' upon realising he was not really wanted at Tigerland. Privately, he later told Richmond he was going to concentrate his efforts on winning the position at Greater Western Sydney.
But on the day he walked away from one fight, the successful and experienced warrior was already being primed for another. It was July 11 and the Swans were playing Essendon at the SCG and the NSW Premier Nathan Rees sat in a private box with the four-time Bombers premiership coach. He encouraged him to think about the GWS job.
''The Sydney job was on the table long before the Richmond job came up,'' he said yesterday after meeting Rees again to celebrate the deal.
At Richmond, Sheedy said, he helped bring Ben Cousins and 7000 new members to the club but was not wanted for the top job. And yet the truth is Sheedy was never going to work at a club where the coach was struggling. The equation was all wrong.
Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/a-tough-tiger-fights-back/2009/11/09/1257615001614.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Mike Sheahan in the Herald-Sun
Sheedy stayed too long at Essendon. Should have gone to Richmond five years ago, but he is a man of extraordinary talents.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/kevin-sheedys-move-24-years-in-the-making/story-e6frf9ox-1225795935291
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At Richmond, Sheedy said, he helped bring Ben Cousins and 7000 new members to the club but was not wanted for the top job. And yet the truth is Sheedy was never going to work at a club where the coach was struggling. The equation was all wrong.
Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/a-tough-tiger-fights-back/2009/11/09/1257615001614.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Now that is funny ;D
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whats funny is how sheedy is using the opera house to try and sell this new bs club, we will build this club like the opera house....
this man has really lost it, he is in his own fantasy world, now i thank the footy gods that we didnt take him on
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whats funny is how sheedy is using the opera house to try and sell this new bs club, we will build this club like the opera house....
Have to agree, that quote was pretty funny.
Sheeds also said we were a chance to win the flag at the start of last season. :lol
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whats funny is how sheedy is using the opera house to try and sell this new bs club, we will build this club like the opera house....
this man has really lost it, he is in his own fantasy world, now i thank the footy gods that we didnt take him on
I also thought that was a strange analogy to make. It just reeked of a desperate attempt to make a link between AFL and one of Sydney's famous landmarks. Its like saying that Richmond will become like Flinder Street Station...no link at all.
Hope he does a better job marketing the team that that in future.
Stripes
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whats funny is how sheedy is using the opera house to try and sell this new bs club, we will build this club like the opera house....
this man has really lost it, he is in his own fantasy world, now i thank the footy gods that we didnt take him on
I also thought that was a strange analogy to make. It just reeked of a desperate attempt to make a link between AFL and one of Sydney's famous landmarks. Its like saying that Richmond will become like Flinder Street Station...no link at all.
Especially as he's promoting a Western Sydney team while the Opera House is right next to the CBD in the East. He'd have been better off linking it to the Blue Mountains, zig-zag railway or some attraction towards the West at least.
The NRL forum has 13 pages about Sheedy and GWS with every childish insult they can call AFL :stupid. Yep they don't care yet they are so paranoid they can't stop talking about it :wallywink
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=348225
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The NRL forum has 13 pages about Sheedy and GWS with every childish insult they can call AFL :stupid. Yep they don't care yet they are so paranoid they can't stop talking about it :wallywink
I love conceited ignorance in the other party. It is your best weapon in any conflict.
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I love the comment from the bloke who said....
"Sheedy is so old he could die before the team plays a game".
Now thats funny.
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They could put JC himself in to coach the team and they will fail to make an impression -peer pressure will ensure that IMO - without the kids there will be no mums and dads - sorry AD
You'd be surprised Mops. I live in Western Sydney and I can tell you that since the time when I first started as an Auskick coach some 8 years ago, AFL has exploded in popularity amongst the youth of Western Sydney. One big factor was the introduction of a selection of Swans games being played at Hombush. Even people who are not AFL fans up here know who Sheedy is. The Swans boosted their profile with Barassi, and although GWS is a new team, I believe his appointment will have a major impact. League is in limbo up here and the clowns running the show have no idea. Even with the recent success of Parramatta making the GF, the NRL are streets behind when it comes to marketing their sport.
Without giving too much away, I work at a private school in Western Sydney with a strong tradition in Rugby League and we already have 5 AFL teams competing in the schools comp. We even have a current AFL player that is an Old Boy of our school. So I think you may find that before too long GWS will have more of an impact than what you might think.
That is a truly great story for AFL and I hope it continues. I hope they play a bunch of this new teams games at Homebush too. Imagine packing out homebush in a local Derby :)
Hopefully we bite off a chunk of the soccer crowd in the area too.
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They could put JC himself in to coach the team and they will fail to make an impression -peer pressure will ensure that IMO - without the kids there will be no mums and dads - sorry AD
You'd be surprised Mops. I live in Western Sydney and I can tell you that since the time when I first started as an Auskick coach some 8 years ago, AFL has exploded in popularity amongst the youth of Western Sydney. One big factor was the introduction of a selection of Swans games being played at Hombush. Even people who are not AFL fans up here know who Sheedy is. The Swans boosted their profile with Barassi, and although GWS is a new team, I believe his appointment will have a major impact. League is in limbo up here and the clowns running the show have no idea. Even with the recent success of Parramatta making the GF, the NRL are streets behind when it comes to marketing their sport.
Without giving too much away, I work at a private school in Western Sydney with a strong tradition in Rugby League and we already have 5 AFL teams competing in the schools comp. We even have a current AFL player that is an Old Boy of our school. So I think you may find that before too long GWS will have more of an impact than what you might think.
That is a truly great story for AFL and I hope it continues. I hope they play a bunch of this new teams games at Homebush too. Imagine packing out homebush in a local Derby :)
Hopefully we bite off a chunk of the soccer crowd in the area too.
Not sure how much Western Sydney is projected to grow by over the next 25 or so years but if it's around 2 million people then even if the AFL can grab 2% of that it's 40,000. It's going to struggle big time initially and will probably break lowest crowd records in the first 10 years at least. A potential white elephant but the AFL is going for it to mainly secure a $1 billion tv rights deal in 2012.
The other issue is the fixture with 18 teams. If the season is kept at 22 rounds then we'll only get to play four sides twice and given the way the AFL has treated us we'll end up playing interstate something like 7 times :P.
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Did anyone happen to see in the Age yesterday the media coverage indicator that the AFL uses to value the amount of media worth stories such as the Carlmichael Hunt and Sheedy stories generated in the Northern Markets? Apparently, while the interest in Hunt was higher, it only just piped the story of Sheedy's arrival. So all this fear and outcry is in fact helping the AFL in terms of exposure and publicity.
Not only are all these media outlets (who own 50% of the NRL) playing right into the AFL's hands so are the bleating supporters by voicing their dismay and continuing the interest in the story. If they just realized that unless they begin to attend RL games to generate the revenue needed through ticket sales, sponsorship, corporate funding etc rather than sitting at home watching all this go to the media outlets, and particularly Foxtel, then they would have a hope of competing and saving their clubs.
RL will die and slow painful death in first Queensland then Sydney over the next 20 years to AFL and Soccer and become little more than a second tier sport. I think everyone in Australia can see that which is why the load death throes have already begun in NSW..
Stripes