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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Con65 on November 05, 2009, 06:31:11 PM
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This may help in finally identifying who was at training yesterday. O-E is spot on save for Saville...it looks like it might be Kadhlefelt from Southport.
Permission to train list:
RICHMOND
Ryan Allen (Coburg)
Ben Clifton (Coburg)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
Thomas McCann (Ireland)
Jason Morgan (Coburg)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86673/default.aspx
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So if O'Reilly is on the 'permission to train' list has he been signed officially or is that decision not made yet?
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So if O'Reilly is on the 'permission to train' list has he been signed officially or is that decision not made yet?
i think he is "signed" smokey but he hasn't officially been drafted and until he is I think he has to have permission to train
Ryan Allan is an interesting - big kid and showed a bit at Coburg. I was actually surprsied he didn't play more senior games as his efforts were at times far greater than some of the RFC boys
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Is Jason Morgan the one who broke his leg at the end of 2008? For some reason I thought it was a different first name.
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If anyone reports on the Coburg boys could we please have their age, cheers. :thumbsup
I checked the Coburg tigers site to match the faces and Morgan, Clifton and Allan are definitely three of the four Burgers who trained with us yesterday. Is the other one Saville?
4. Jason Morgan
Height: 190cm
Weight: 92kg
D.O.B: 14/10/1985
Previous Clubs: Kyabram
Pic: http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/36/18/361851_1_T.jpg (http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/36/18/361851_1_T.jpg)
20. Ben Clifton
Height: 178cm
Weight: 78kg
D.O.B: 27/7/1989
Previous Clubs: Seymour
Pic: http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/36/19/361931_1_T.jpg (http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/36/19/361931_1_T.jpg)
21. Ryan Allan
Height: 186cm
Weight: 83kg
D.O.B: 29/10/1988
Previous Clubs: Morwell
Pic: http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/36/19/361941_1_T.jpg (http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/36/19/361941_1_T.jpg)
50. James Saville?
Height: 190cm
Weight: 81kg
D.O.B: 16/4/1989
Previous Clubs: Collingwood/Calder Cannons
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Good man OE, cheers.
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Is Jason Morgan the one who broke his leg at the end of 2008? For some reason I thought it was a different first name.
He broke his leg in the VFL finals of 2007
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Is Jason Morgan the one who broke his leg at the end of 2008? For some reason I thought it was a different first name.
He broke his leg in the VFL finals of 2007
Ok, so it is the same guy, for some reason I thought it was only 12 months ago
Remember him always looking like a promising defender, so not surprised theyre having us train with us, wouldn't surprise me if he's looked at for a rookie spot.
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It's hard to find alot info on Justin Kahlefeldt.
D.O.B: 23 Dec 1987
He comes from the Riverina and was in the squad for NSW/ACT in the 2005 U18 championships. He went north and joined Southport in 2008 and this year finished in the top 10 of the QAFL B&F. In the 20 matches he played this year he finished in the bests 15 times.
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Justin%20Kahlefeldt&action=PSTATS&pID=189079606&client=1-109-9629-80880-9869021 (http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Justin%20Kahlefeldt&action=PSTATS&pID=189079606&client=1-109-9629-80880-9869021)
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I must admit I'll be surprised if we do pick up a Burger even as a rookie. There wasn't anyone to get excited about this year :-\.
I thought Morgan was supposed to be quite exciting before he broke his leg. He's a KPF isn't he. Did he play much this year, he would have been hampered by the leg healing surely.
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Found this article about Justin Kahlefeldt on BF:
SHARKS FLYER A GREAT FIT
Thursday 23 July 2009
He is most probably the fittest man in the QAFL Velocity Sports Cup and he is a key to Southport’s quest for a sixth consecutive grand final appearance, reports Inside Football.
Justin Kahlefeldt has been an outstanding acquisition for the Sharks since moving north last year and is one of the favourites for the Grogan Medal for the best player in the competition.
He has already shown himself to be a big-match performer, starring in Southport’s premiership victory last season, being Queensland’s second best player in the interstate clash against Tasmania last month, and shining in a badly beaten team against the might of the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba two weeks ago.
Kahlefeldt is blessed with the rare balance of speed and endurance, although it runs strongly in the genes.
Originally for the Wagga Tigers, where he debuted as a 16-year-old, and via the Wodonga Raiders, he became hooked on the Gold Coast after being a regular visitor to catch up with his brother Brad, who just happens to be an Olympic triathlete.
It was Southport’s good fortune when he walked in the door looking for a game and neither party has looked back.
Kahlefeldt has taken his game to a new level in 2009, moving onto a wing after being a goalkicking half-forward last season.
“I was pretty happy with the way I played last year although you can be in and out of the game playing at half-forward,’” he said.
“Playing up the ground is something I really wanted to do because there are so many more opportunities.”
Kahlefeldt virtually picked himself for the State team last month and collected 20 possessions, made four tackles and kicked 1.2 in a well beaten side.
“It was a really good experience although obviously the result wasn’t great,” he said. “It shows you a higher standard and that you can take it up to another level.”
Kahlefeldt’s form should have him on the radar of the new Gold Coast club which is expected to field a team in the VFL next year. Still only 21, he has all the attributes to be a valuable ‘mature’ age player.
However, he is only looking ahead as far as September, a month where Southport have never not featured in their 26 years in the QAFL competition.
Kahlefeldt certainly enjoys the winning culture, playing in more wins in the first half of his debut season at Fankhauser Reserve than he had in the previous three years.
“It was a bit of an eye-opener and it was nice to be on the other end of the stick,” he said.
He described last year’s premiership win as ‘a bit surreal’, the Sharks coming from 22 points down 12 minutes into the final term to steal victory over Morningside.
It was a memorable year considering he made a dash to China to watch Brad compete in the Beijing Olympics.
“It’s not the sort of place I probably would have gone to, so it was a good experience,” Kahlefeldt said. “It was just a pity for Brad that he was a little bit injured going into his race.”
Justin trains with his brother during the summer months when Brad is not away competing, and another brother Jarrod joined him at Fankhauser this season, only to undergo an ankle reconstruction early in the season.
Justin was again in Southport’s best players when they beat Mt Gravatt last weekend, virtually ending the Vultures’ hopes of playing finals football.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16210078&postcount=10
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I must admit I'll be surprised if we do pick up a Burger even as a rookie. There wasn't anyone to get excited about this year :-\.
Disagree a bit there MT. The more likely Coburg lads were running around in the Coburg ressies because most weeks Coburg had 15-17 RFC boys (some not worthy) playing Coburg seniors. By more likely I mean those who have only been out of the TAC cup system for 1-2 years
Of the games I saw I reckon Benny Clifton showed enough to warrant being invited to train - very strong kid who can tackle. Ditto Ryan Allan - think he was very very unlucky not to play more VFL seniors. I would seriously consider a 3rd or 4th round rookie pick on Allen, you just never know.
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I must admit I'll be surprised if we do pick up a Burger even as a rookie. There wasn't anyone to get excited about this year :-\.
Disagree a bit there MT. The more likely Coburg lads were running around in the Coburg ressies because most weeks Coburg had 15-17 RFC boys (some not worthy) playing Coburg seniors. By more likely I mean those who have only been out of the TAC cup system for 1-2 years
Of the games I saw I reckon Benny Clifton showed enough to warrant being invited to train - very strong kid who can tackle. Ditto Ryan Allan - think he was very very unlucky not to play more VFL seniors. I would seriously consider a 3rd or 4th round rookie pick on Allen, you just never know.
Fair enough WP. I don't have any problems with them being invited to Richmond training as there's no harm done checking them out. I just didn't see anyone from Coburg have that something special (extra pace say like a Nahas or solid kicking technique/good footskills) that I would see give them a chance of making it at AFL level and who would fill a need of ours. With Gourdis and possibly Polly to be rookies next year, adding a Burger also would be 3 rookie spots clogged IMO. I would instead at the very least expect us to rookie another young ruckman this year.
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Referring a rookie spot to be "clogged" is ridiculous IMO, especially if they are kids
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Referring a rookie spot to be "clogged" is ridiculous IMO, especially if they are kids
If we are talking about "a" as in one rookie spot Infamy then fair enough but potentially using 3 rookie spots on players we've already seen what they are capable of and who have next to zero chance of playing AFL in a top side is list-clogging even if it's "only" the rookie list. At best the club should have had the fortitude to pick only one of Gourdis, Polly or a Coburg player. Going for possibly all three is what is ridiculous and is a waste of rookie positions. We've had some success in the recent past rookieing 18 year old kids who were overlooked in the National draft - Foley, Moore, Thursty plus Graham (still very iffy) and Browne; whereas the likes of Howat who were retained for 3 years as "back-ups" :P were flops and list cloggers. The former is what the rookie draft is for.
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I don't think we have seen what Gourdis is capable of
We have no idea what Polak's recovery will be like, he's still young for a kpp
Plenty of rookie listed players have been mature aged when picked up, Aaron Davey ring any bells? Even Nahas. No reason one of those can't be playing at Coburg currently, such as Morgan who's been recovering from a very badly broken leg.
Moore, Foley, Thursfield & Graham were all Top 5 rookie selections and the first 5 rookie picks this year go to GC17, we are looking at a compromised draft and and compromised rookie draft as well. We need to look at options outside the norm.
Not sure why Howat was kept, he was crap, hardly would use him as a scapegoat for never drafting another rookie from Coburg again.
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I'm not saying we should never ever rookie someone from Coburg as maybe one year in the future a player does warrant a rookie chance especially as Coburg aligns itself more and more with the Calder Cannons at Craigieburn. However IMO there's no one this year at Coburg who even looks close to making you want to see how they would go on an AFL list. An Aaron Davey or Nahas have exceptional pace, natural skills, and strong defensive mindsets (for chase down tackles) which is attractive to the way AFL is played nowdays despite their small size. Both also had blinders of a year in the VFL before they were drafted. Nahas kicked 50 goals as a small forward at Port Melbourne for instance. No Coburg player from this year fits that category. I'm not saying we shouldn't pick up a 'mature' player in their early 20s from the VFL, SANFL, WAFL etc. Just surely there are better options outside of Coburg at other clubs.
Gourdis is entering his 3rd year and he still can't kick.
Polly's situation is no one's fault. This game though is sadly harsh and unforgiving on those coming back from serious injury no matter how courageous they are.
There's a lot there above which I call "hoping" list management. Hoping this player comes good and that player comes good when the odds are majorly against them. Eventually you've got to make the call on each player. Having too many "hope" players on your list and holding onto them for years hurts you in the long run (as we know from past experience) especially when a team is rebuilding as we are. We are better off turning over our list even more and select newbies. We got Browne at pick 39 in last year's rookie draft, Geelong picked up Mumford at 57 in 2007 (we redrafted Howat at 47 :P ), Freo got Broughton at 74, Picken at the Dogs at 30, Wonaeamirri at the Dees at 19 (we took Silvester at 17). Clubs that put their faith and resources into the drafts are rewarded. Those that hang onto iffy players too long miss out.
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I must admit I'll be surprised if we do pick up a Burger even as a rookie. There wasn't anyone to get excited about this year :-\.
Disagree a bit there MT. The more likely Coburg lads were running around in the Coburg ressies because most weeks Coburg had 15-17 RFC boys (some not worthy) playing Coburg seniors. By more likely I mean those who have only been out of the TAC cup system for 1-2 years
Of the games I saw I reckon Benny Clifton showed enough to warrant being invited to train - very strong kid who can tackle. Ditto Ryan Allan - think he was very very unlucky not to play more VFL seniors. I would seriously consider a 3rd or 4th round rookie pick on Allen, you just never know.
Fair enough WP. I don't have any problems with them being invited to Richmond training as there's no harm done checking them out. I just didn't see anyone from Coburg have that something special (extra pace say like a Nahas or solid kicking technique/good footskills) that I would see give them a chance of making it at AFL level and who would fill a need of ours. With Gourdis and possibly Polly to be rookies next year, adding a Burger also would be 3 rookie spots clogged IMO. I would instead at the very least expect us to rookie another young ruckman this year.
You can't be serious, a 20yr old and a 23 yr old ruckman delisted this year 4 senior listed rucks now, and you want to pick up a kid who, in any draft in the past 5 years would be pick 120, most clubs have 2 maybe 3 senior rucks and 1 rookie, for rucks sake what is the RFC facination with talls who dont play thier best footy till they are 25 or 26. At one stage last year we had 6 senior listed ruckmen, 38 senior listed players less 6 left a squad 32 plus 2 vets, up till round 18 we averaged about 4 to 5 injured players per week if we had HAWTHORNS INJURY LIST WE COULD HAVE HAD TO PLAY A SIDE WITH 12 PLAYERS OVER 194CM glad your not a drafter. Your right about one thing, although your mate WP will disagree, if you find an AFL footballer at Coburg you can ruck me.
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I must admit I'll be surprised if we do pick up a Burger even as a rookie. There wasn't anyone to get excited about this year :-\.
Disagree a bit there MT. The more likely Coburg lads were running around in the Coburg ressies because most weeks Coburg had 15-17 RFC boys (some not worthy) playing Coburg seniors. By more likely I mean those who have only been out of the TAC cup system for 1-2 years
Of the games I saw I reckon Benny Clifton showed enough to warrant being invited to train - very strong kid who can tackle. Ditto Ryan Allan - think he was very very unlucky not to play more VFL seniors. I would seriously consider a 3rd or 4th round rookie pick on Allen, you just never know.
Fair enough WP. I don't have any problems with them being invited to Richmond training as there's no harm done checking them out. I just didn't see anyone from Coburg have that something special (extra pace say like a Nahas or solid kicking technique/good footskills) that I would see give them a chance of making it at AFL level and who would fill a need of ours. With Gourdis and possibly Polly to be rookies next year, adding a Burger also would be 3 rookie spots clogged IMO. I would instead at the very least expect us to rookie another young ruckman this year.
You can't be serious, a 20yr old and a 23 yr old ruckman delisted this year 4 senior listed rucks now, and you want to pick up a kid who, in any draft in the past 5 years would be pick 120, most clubs have 2 maybe 3 senior rucks and 1 rookie, for rucks sake what is the RFC facination with talls who dont play thier best footy till they are 25 or 26. At one stage last year we had 6 senior listed ruckmen, 38 senior listed players less 6 left a squad 32 plus 2 vets, up till round 18 we averaged about 4 to 5 injured players per week if we had HAWTHORNS INJURY LIST WE COULD HAVE HAD TO PLAY A SIDE WITH 12 PLAYERS OVER 194CM glad your not a drafter. Your right about one thing, although your mate WP will disagree, if you find an AFL footballer at Coburg you can ruck me.
The last thing we could be accused of in 2009 is putting too tall a side out on the park. We have 9 players on our list under six foot. It was the team from Lilliput most weeks :help.
As for the ruck, most ruckmen don't peak until their mid 20s though. That's nothing new.
Of our 4 rucks Simmo will retire in a year's time (he needs to be replaced by a new ruckman on our list) and the other 3 are still in their AFL career infancy with two still in their teens. There's no certainty about our ruck division beyond 2010. There's no guarantee Gus and/or Browne will make it long-term. Btw Putt and Patto were no ruckmen despite being tall :-\. We didn't finish last in hitouts for nothing :help. We need to draft another genuine ruckman this year to build depth. It doesn't have to be the rookie draft either. We have 7 National draft picks so it's quite possible we will use one on selecting another young ruckman. We could also target 20-something ruckman from a state league to fill in the years between Simmo's retirement and our young rucks taking over.
As for other club, most of the top sides had strong ruck depth and those that didn't (Pies) paid for it.
Geelong (4-5): ........Simpson (206), Ottens (202), Blake (200), West (198). They also had Mumford as a rookie this year.
St Kilda (4-5):....... King (201), Stanley (200), McEvoy (200), Gardiner (199). Kosi also did some follower duties around the ground.
Bulldogs (5):...... Cordy (202), J.Roughead (200), Mulligan (199), Minson (199), Hudson (199)
Coll'wood (4):...... Wood (204), Fraser (202), Jolly (200), Keeffe# (204)
Adelaide (4):...... Griffen (202), Moran (199), Maric (198). Tippett is also 201cm although played mostly as a key forward this year.
Brisbane (4):....... Leuenberger (203), McCulloch (199), Clark (198), Charman (197)
Carlton (4):......... Warnock (206), Hampson (201), Kreuzer (200), Jacobs (200). Setanta is also 199cm tall.
Essendon (5):......... Laycock (201), Hille (201), Bellchambers (201), Ryder (197), Bock# (205)
Hawthorn (4):......... Bailey (206), Lowden (204), Taylor (200), Renouf (200). They had Campbell as well this year who had to retire due to injury.
Port (5):............ Redden (202), Brogan (200), M.Westoff (199), Stewart (199), Lobbe (199). They of course had Lade as well this year.
West Coast (3):......... Cox (204), Naitanui (201), Sullivan# (202)
Sydney (6):....... Seaby (200), Mumford (200), Currie (200), Goodes (194), Orreal# (204), Pyke# (200)
North (3):......... McIntosh (203), Hale (201), Goldstein (201)
Fremantle (3):..... Sandilands (211), Z.Clarke (203), Bradley (199)
Melbourne (5):....... Meesen (200), Johnson (199), Martin (198), Jamar (198), Spencer# (203)
Richmond (4):.......... Browne (205), Graham (201), Vickery (200), Simmonds (197)
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There's a lot there above which I call "hoping" list management. Hoping this player comes good and that player comes good when the odds are majorly against them. Eventually you've got to make the call on each player. Having too many "hope" players on your list and holding onto them for years hurts you in the long run (as we know from past experience) especially when a team is rebuilding as we are. We are better off turning over our list even more and select newbies. We got Browne at pick 39 in last year's rookie draft, Geelong picked up Mumford at 57 in 2007 (we redrafted Howat at 47 :P ), Freo got Broughton at 74, Picken at the Dogs at 30, Wonaeamirri at the Dees at 19 (we took Silvester at 17). Clubs that put their faith and resources into the drafts are rewarded. Those that hang onto iffy players too long miss out.
Sorry, but that's a lot of what the rookie list is for. It was said at the time we picked up Gourdis that he was going to take time, you don't give up on players like that after a couple of years, you knew going in wasn't going to happen over night.
Polak looked like he'd never player again and genuinely earnt his spot back in the senior side not more than 12 months after the accident, who knows what will happen in the next 12.
We have 7 (possibly 8) rookie spots next year and only 2 filled going into the draft, I hardly consider that an issue. They're only taking up spots that would be our 6th-8th round rookie selections. You are still listing rookie players that were taken in the first 3 rounds which we are going to participate in anyway, in fact much further. Broughton himself was a mature aged selection, he was 22 when picked. Yet again bringing us an example of a player at a lower level who got onto the rookie list and proved he could make it at the next level.
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Grasping at straws with your ruck analyses at other clubs MT, Goodes, Clarke, Tippett, Ryder (you missed Lynch at WC) all KPPs who can ruck. we had 6 rucks NON of who could play as a KPPs ( maybe Putt had potential ).
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Your right about one thing, although your mate WP will disagree, if you find an AFL footballer at Coburg you can ruck me.
I could think of a couple of blokes who've played for Coburg in the last couple of years that a very unlucky not to have been rookied...
Are there any worth considering for a rookie slot for 2010 - IMHO yes there are simple because some of them show more desire to play team orientated footy than some AFL Footballers we currently have... ;D
That's one of the purpsoes of the rookie list, to see if those who miss the main draft can be developed. I would think our 2 remaining rookies from 2009 are fortuntate (1 in particluar) that there is rookie system in place or they would more than likely be gone based on their performances in 2009 :thumbsup
Again it's all about opinion
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Just split this from the main training thread as the discussion was more about our rookie list.
Cheers OE :).
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Grasping at straws with your ruck analyses at other clubs MT, Goodes, Clarke, Tippett, Ryder (you missed Lynch at WC) all KPPs who can ruck. we had 6 rucks NON of who could play as a KPPs ( maybe Putt had potential ).
They may also be KPPs at the clubs but they can play ruck far better than what our rucks showed this year :P. Patto was our poor attempt to fill two types (key forward and ruck) with one player and we ended up with an in-between player who could do neither. Putt was a small trapped in the big body who preferred playing on a wing. Neither could ruck to save themselves. Still past recruiting mistakes shouldn't be a deterrent in future recruiting decisions. You sack the recruiter (Miller) who chose the wrong players which is what the Club did.
In any case we now have 4 rucks with one having just one year left and the other 3 yet to cement their spot. Are you saying tigerlily we don't need to draft another ruckman with either one of our 7 National draft picks or potentially 5 rookie picks? I'd be shocked if anyone said no we didn't another ruck. You've got plan ahead especially with ruckmen as they do take the longest to develop.
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Sorry, but that's a lot of what the rookie list is for. It was said at the time we picked up Gourdis that he was going to take time, you don't give up on players like that after a couple of years, you knew going in wasn't going to happen over night.
Not being able to kick when kicking is a, if not the, fundamental skill of the game is a major flaw and one hard if not impossible to correct significantly at 20 years of age. If you can't kick before you enter the AFL system then that's unlikely to change. He's very lucky to still be on our list.
Polak looked like he'd never player again and genuinely earnt his spot back in the senior side not more than 12 months after the accident, who knows what will happen in the next 12.
You can argue Polly earnt his spot because he actually showed commitment and desperation out on the field when he came back unlike many of his teammates this year who didn't give a stuff. I just don't hold much hope for players who are delisted and then redrafted. It's as if the Club doesn't believe in them either. Polly's a special case because of what happened so I can see the argument for keeping him on as a rookie even if I would've moved him on as harsh as that sounds.
We have 7 (possibly 8) rookie spots next year and only 2 filled going into the draft, I hardly consider that an issue. They're only taking up spots that would be our 6th-8th round rookie selections. You are still listing rookie players that were taken in the first 3 rounds which we are going to participate in anyway, in fact much further. Broughton himself was a mature aged selection, he was 22 when picked. Yet again bringing us an example of a player at a lower level who got onto the rookie list and proved he could make it at the next level.
That's a fair enough argument in bold Infamy when you say it like that and given the club has promoted both Nahas and Browne. We have 7 rookie spots btw as Richo is on the veteran list. Having said that when keeping players that IMO have zero chance of making it I'd rather we give a kid/newbie a chance instead. But as WP said it's all opinion. I would have instead played the odds and kept Nahas and Browne on the rookie list and then used our two last National draft picks (they would've been 69 and 70) to get in early on the rookie draft but the Club didn't go down that path.
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I said possibly 8 rookie spots as Richo may still retire which would give us one more
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I said possibly 8 rookie spots as Richo may still retire which would give us one more
Proven to be correct Infamy. Richo retiring has probably made certain that Polly will be redrafted as a rookie. In essence Polly takes Richo spot on our list.
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KAHLEFELDT TRAINING AT TIGERS
Hard running Southport midfielder Justin Kahlefeldt has capped off a stunning 2009 season by being invited to train pre Christmas at Richmond.
Kahlefeldt who won this years Best and Fairest at the Sharks and made his State debut against Tasmania was also selected in the Velocity Sports Cup 2009 Team of the Year and whilst the rumours are abound he may link with VFL club Port Melbourne the invitation to train with an AFL club is to good an opportunity to pass by.
(http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/63/01/630176_1_M.jpg)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-4711-0-0-0&sID=56333&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=10492020§ionID=56333
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AFL permission to train list: November 18
afl.com.au
Wed 18 November, 2009
RICHMOND
Ryan Allen (Coburg), Ben Clifton (Coburg), Rhan Hooper (Brisbane Lions), Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport), Thomas McCann (Ireland), Jason Morgan (Coburg), James O'Rielly (Ireland), Graham Polak (Richmond)
For those interested Coburg's John Morris is training with his brother at the Bulldogs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87265/default.aspx
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Rhan Hooper???
No, Thank You!
isn't O'Rielly and Polak going to be Rookie Listed???
McCann is on that 3 Week trail or something like that???
Justin Kadhlefelt, would it be fair to say, we may draft him???
:)
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Justin Kadhlefelt..... now I have heard this kids name thrown about a bit, is he a good thing or what, does anyone have more info on him??
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Justin Kadhlefelt..... now I have heard this kids name thrown about a bit, is he a good thing or what, does anyone have more info on him??
Nothing more than what's been posted about Kadhlefelt in this thread :-\.
Just saw on BF that supposedly we'll have a kid from Tassie Jeremy Howe training with us as well.
Apparently the coach of Dodges Ferry, Danny Ling has been able to talk the Tigers into trialling Howe. Ling knows the new Coburg coach pretty well from his days at Glenorchy FC.
Very raw by all accounts but with freakish skills. Personally don't know much about him. Any Hobart based Tigers seen the kid play or know more about him?? Understand he is 19-20 and around 6'4 - 6'5 in old measure - 196cm(?)
Think the deal is to train with the club for a week. Been playing second tier Tassie footy so probably a rookie selection at best. Certainly fits the 'diamond in the rough' category.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16292359&postcount=1
Howe did play 2 - 3 games in the Tassie Devils' last season in the VFL (2008).
Has an explosive leap, runs well, good skills on both sides of his body.
He is an athletic type of player and reads the play quite well.
During the preliminary final this season kicked all 5 of Dodges Ferry's final quarter goals playing out of the square, kicking 6 for the match. Despite the fact he'd been battling tonsillitis all week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16327150&postcount=16
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Justin Kadhlefelt..... now I have heard this kids name thrown about a bit, is he a good thing or what, does anyone have more info on him??
Nothing more than what's been posted about Kadhlefelt in this thread :-\.
Just saw on BF that supposedly we'll have a kid from Tassie Jeremy Howe training with us as well.
Apparently the coach of Dodges Ferry, Danny Ling has been able to talk the Tigers into trialling Howe. Ling knows the new Coburg coach pretty well from his days at Glenorchy FC.
Very raw by all accounts but with freakish skills. Personally don't know much about him. Any Hobart based Tigers seen the kid play or know more about him?? Understand he is 19-20 and around 6'4 - 6'5 in old measure - 196cm(?)
Think the deal is to train with the club for a week. Been playing second tier Tassie footy so probably a rookie selection at best. Certainly fits the 'diamond in the rough' category.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16292359&postcount=1
Howe did play 2 - 3 games in the Tassie Devils' last season in the VFL (2008).
Has an explosive leap, runs well, good skills on both sides of his body.
He is an athletic type of player and reads the play quite well.
During the preliminary final this season kicked all 5 of Dodges Ferry's final quarter goals playing out of the square, kicking 6 for the match. Despite the fact he'd been battling tonsillitis all week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16327150&postcount=16
IMHO We need to stock up with as many key forwards as possible in the hope that one comes through. Must look at all options and if Jeremy Howe is up to it then he should get his chance.
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Justin Kadhlefelt..... now I have heard this kids name thrown about a bit, is he a good thing or what, does anyone have more info on him??
Nothing more than what's been posted about Kadhlefelt in this thread :-\.
Just saw on BF that supposedly we'll have a kid from Tassie Jeremy Howe training with us as well.
Apparently the coach of Dodges Ferry, Danny Ling has been able to talk the Tigers into trialling Howe. Ling knows the new Coburg coach pretty well from his days at Glenorchy FC.
Very raw by all accounts but with freakish skills. Personally don't know much about him. Any Hobart based Tigers seen the kid play or know more about him?? Understand he is 19-20 and around 6'4 - 6'5 in old measure - 196cm(?)
Think the deal is to train with the club for a week. Been playing second tier Tassie footy so probably a rookie selection at best. Certainly fits the 'diamond in the rough' category.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16292359&postcount=1
Howe did play 2 - 3 games in the Tassie Devils' last season in the VFL (2008).
Has an explosive leap, runs well, good skills on both sides of his body.
He is an athletic type of player and reads the play quite well.
During the preliminary final this season kicked all 5 of Dodges Ferry's final quarter goals playing out of the square, kicking 6 for the match. Despite the fact he'd been battling tonsillitis all week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16327150&postcount=16
IMHO We need to stock up with as many key forwards as possible in the hope that one comes through. Must look at all options and if Jeremy Howe is up to it then he should get his chance.
Well it fits the criteria FJ was given to go out and find hidden gems if this Howe is any good.
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Justin Kadhlefelt..... now I have heard this kids name thrown about a bit, is he a good thing or what, does anyone have more info on him??
Nothing more than what's been posted about Kadhlefelt in this thread :-\.
Just saw on BF that supposedly we'll have a kid from Tassie Jeremy Howe training with us as well.
Apparently the coach of Dodges Ferry, Danny Ling has been able to talk the Tigers into trialling Howe. Ling knows the new Coburg coach pretty well from his days at Glenorchy FC.
Very raw by all accounts but with freakish skills. Personally don't know much about him. Any Hobart based Tigers seen the kid play or know more about him?? Understand he is 19-20 and around 6'4 - 6'5 in old measure - 196cm(?)
Think the deal is to train with the club for a week. Been playing second tier Tassie footy so probably a rookie selection at best. Certainly fits the 'diamond in the rough' category.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16292359&postcount=1
Howe did play 2 - 3 games in the Tassie Devils' last season in the VFL (2008).
Has an explosive leap, runs well, good skills on both sides of his body.
He is an athletic type of player and reads the play quite well.
During the preliminary final this season kicked all 5 of Dodges Ferry's final quarter goals playing out of the square, kicking 6 for the match. Despite the fact he'd been battling tonsillitis all week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16327150&postcount=16
IMHO We need to stock up with as many key forwards as possible in the hope that one comes through. Must look at all options and if Jeremy Howe is up to it then he should get his chance.
Very much agree, who knows we may even find a few that will come in and completely change the structure and style of play so we are more unpredictable.
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A bit of an OER exclusive. We have 7 kids training with us at the moment. Four of them from what I saw are:
Justin Kadhlefelt - the Southport guy who has been training with us for a while. A running machine too :o.
Dylan McNeil
Dylan Grimes
Josh Free
I'm not sure who the other 3 are but I'll see if I can find out. One is a solid tall and the other two smalls.
O’Reilly and Polly are also training with us obviously.
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hope the other tall is kyle hartigan
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Glad Grimes is there, would think that he'd be the early favourite for the PSD spot
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Glad Grimes is there, would think that he'd be the early favourite for the PSD spot
I'm not too keen on Grimes myself. According to Inside Footy he's listed as 192cm, but only 81kg, is more suited to the wing/half back flank,but was forced into a key defensive role due to a spate of injuries at the Knights. I know he'll fill out eventually, but we already have a lot of undersized defenders fighting out of their height and weight division, and there's no garauntee that he'll grow any taller.
Besides, with Griffith not likely to see much senior action for awhile with his shoulder, I'd rather go for a ready made tall forward to fill the breach, like maybe Serhat Temel.
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According to a poster on BF it said in a local Ballarat paper that Andrew Hooper was training at Richmond with Josh Free.
Hooper is a short stocky Midfielder/ HBF with a Booming kick and strong work ethic. Some say that if he was 10cm taller he would've gone top 20 in the ND.
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AFL permission to train list: December 2
RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Ranges)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87783/default.aspx
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RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Ranges)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87783/default.aspx
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beat me to it OE!
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beat me to it OE!
I'll merge the two threads. Thanks for bumping the old one up :thumbsup
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Some summaries and video of the potential rookies.....
Jayden Cass (Eastern Ranges)
D.O.B: 01-Dec-1991
Club: Eastern
State: VIC
Height: 179cm
Weight: 66kg
Position: Midfielder
Quick and agile half forward who can also push up through the midfield. Smart footballer, who reads the play well, knows where the goals are and is very effective by foot off both sides of his body. Super impressive at Vic screening with 2.88 sec for 20m & level 15-4 shuttle confirming rare pace & endurance.
Video highlights (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=114557)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Height: 173cm
Weight: 77kg
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
D.O.B: 17-Aug-1990
Height: 187cm
Weight: 78kg
Position: Defender
Goodingham is a medium defender with good skills and excellent endurance, highlighted by a 15.2 beep test at the NAB AFL state screening session in Melbourne.
Video highlights (http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/90348)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
D.O.B: 16-Jul-1991
Club: Northern Knights
State: VIC
Height: 192cm
Weight: 81kg
Position: Defender
Quick tall defender with great closing speed. Task orientated with strong defensive skills and a sound ability to read the play. Vic Metro U18 representative in 2009. From Hurstbridge FC.
Video highlights (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/draftMachine.jsp?squad_id=120)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
D.O.B: 10-Sep-1991
Club: Calder Cannons
State: VIC
Height: 176cm
Weight: 68kg
Position: Midfielder
Super quick midfielder who is extremely clever around goals. Reads the play well and has clean skills on both sides of his body. Vic Metro U18 representative in 2009. From PEGS.
Video highlights (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=115865)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Played 2 TAC Cup games
Liam Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
D.O.B: 31-Jul-1991
Club: Sandringham
State: VIC
Height: 185cm
Weight: 78kg
Position: Midfielder
Well balanced utility who wins the ball at stoppages and uses the ball well by foot. Extremely quick and agile player who works hard with and without the ball. Vic Metro Under-18 representative in 2009. His 2.94sec 20m highlighted his speed at Vic screen.
Video highlights (http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=115895)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
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Gee people on here will be thrilled with a couple of those blokes.. ahahah
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would it be fair to say that these players are fighting for that last spot and four Rookie spots?
Jayden Cass (Eastern Ranges) maybe Rookie?
Josh Free (North Ballarat) no
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays) maybe
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights) maybe
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons) maybe Rookie?
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons) ? (details)
Liam Tobin (Sandringham Dragons) maybe
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport) ? (details)
James O’Rielly (Ireland) 3rd Rookie
Graham Polak (Richmond) 4th Rookie
would we look at other players training at other clubs?
???
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Im keen on Jayden Cass, He looks small but he uses the ball well and hope to see him at tigerland.
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Im keen on Jayden Cass, He looks small but he uses the ball well and hope to see him at tigerland.
yep i've been impressed.
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what is Kadhlefelt's age, height and weight?
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what is Kadhlefelt's age, height and weight?
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Mr OE posted this on page 1 of this thread:
It's hard to find alot info on Justin Kahlefeldt.
D.O.B: 23 Dec 1987
He comes from the Riverina and was in the squad for NSW/ACT in the 2005 U18 championships. He went north and joined Southport in 2008 and this year finished in the top 10 of the QAFL B&F. In the 20 matches he played this year he finished in the bests 15 times.
What I can add is that yes, it is hard to find out much about him but in addition to the top 10 QAFL finish he won Southport's B&F (they finished 3rd). He also played state football v Tasmania mid season. This from a post on BF:
Texted direct from one of Justins team mates, "Spud is a legend,plays wing and is easily the fittest guy in the comp, kicks alot of goals and won the sharks B&F. gets heaps of touches, good skills but only 6 foot. played state together last year and he is 22."
http://www2.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16257460 (http://www2.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16257460)
Interestingly, he ran in the 1998 Canberra Marathon Eve 5km and came 32/143 in a time of 19.59. Not bad for a 10 year old in an open age race!!!!
Edit: OK, can confirm he was 180cm tall, 70kgs and 16 1/2 years old when he played in the 2004 U18 Championships for NSW/ACT.
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I think we will take Tobin as a rookie. Exactly the type of player we are after with his pace, skills and agility.
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Relton Roberts has also been invited to train with us. He is 22 or 23 and only a little bloke about 175cms but he has great skills and can take a mark.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/03/106281_ntsport.html
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At this stage Panos, Patrick, Dare and Gronawegen (sic) IMO are the best chances . Have a look at their videos and let me know what you think!
Anyone know of a ruckman that might be worth us condsidering?
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Anyone know of a ruckman that might be worth us condsidering?
Most likely come down to the following young rucks. In the modern game, the taller, more athletic (vertical leap) and stronger footskills, the better. IMO a modern ruckman has to be 200cm tall at least unless they have a freakish leap like NicNat or Paddy Ryder.
Michael Bennett, Glenelg, 18, 200cm, 86kg
Jonathon Ceglar, Murray, 18, 199cm, 83kg
Brendan Fewster, Calder, 19, 198cm, 91kg
Jack Hannah, Centrals, 18, 199cm, 83kg
Damian Hayward, South Freo, 18, 201cm, 97kg
David Hill, Aspley QLD, 19, 201cm, 95kg
Tom Hill, Northern Knights, 18, 199cm, 82kg
Patrick McMahon, Oakleigh, 19, 203cm, 87kg
Cameron Milne, Tassie, 19, 200cm, 97kg
Tom Nicholls, Sandringham, 17, 202cm, 90kg ..... don't think he is eligible this year
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David Hill, Aspley QLD, 19, 201cm, 95kg
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How funny is that! David Hille - ruckman for Essendon - is originally from Aspley.
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Relton Roberts has also been invited to train with us. He is 22 or 23 and only a little bloke about 175cms but he has great skills and can take a mark.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/03/106281_ntsport.html
Not sure why we are looking at more small blokes under 6 foot when we have 10 only our list already :P ???.
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Relton Roberts has also been invited to train with us. He is 22 or 23 and only a little bloke about 175cms but he has great skills and can take a mark.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/03/106281_ntsport.html
Not sure why we are looking at more small blokes under 6 foot when we have 10 only our list already :P ???.
Perhaps looking to upgrade? Maybe the coaches think we can do better with our smalls. Perhaps the recuiters have looked at Relton and felt he is potentially better than some of the similar guys currently on our list.
Every position you'd like to make sure you have the absolute best. Just because we have 10 on the list doesn't mean that we couldn't have a better 10. Would hate to think that we are not looking at potential talent simply because we already have a number of similar players.
A team full of average footballers may be successful (champion team beats team of champions blah blah blah) but then it may also simply be average. Reading the opinions of some of the posters here, it is evident that some feel many of our footballers aren't even average.
We'll need to start dropping some off the bottom soon though. You're right MT, can't have a list completely full of little guys. ;D
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Not sure why we are looking at more small blokes under 6 foot when we have 10 only our list already :P ???.
Perhaps looking to upgrade? Maybe the coaches think we can do better with our smalls. Perhaps the recuiters have looked at Relton and felt he is potentially better than some of the similar guys currently on our list.
Every position you'd like to make sure you have the absolute best. Just because we have 10 on the list doesn't mean that we couldn't have a better 10. Would hate to think that we are not looking at potential talent simply because we already have a number of similar players.
A team full of average footballers may be successful (champion team beats team of champions blah blah blah) but then it may also simply be average. Reading the opinions of some of the posters here, it is evident that some feel many of our footballers aren't even average.
We'll need to start dropping some off the bottom soon though. You're right MT, can't have a list completely full of little guys. ;D
Probably now just looking at best possible's rather than list structure, and sifting through all the tailings for any hidden nuggets.
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I like the the gold mining metaphor smokey, very creative. My suspicion is the depth on the talls is extremely shallow compared to the depth of talent on the smaller players frankly. Why waste picks on players that will never likely see the light of day when you can develop players who can step up or become viable trade bait.
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My suspicion is the depth on the talls is extremely shallow compared to the depth of talent on the smaller players frankly. Why waste picks on players that will never likely see the light of day when you can develop players who can step up or become viable trade bait.
Makes sense Owl, I would tend to agree.
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I wasn't necessarily meaning we should go for talls either even though we need more of them. I agree it's no point picking up kids who have too many flaws to correct just because they are tall. All I was saying is it is very rare for footballers in the mid-170cms to make it at AFL level unless they have some freakish speed and skill like a Rioli. Why not go after kids in the 180cms who aren't that rare either and have body types more suitable to AFL to win their own footy as they won't get easily pushed around and knocked off the ball like the 170cms guys will especially in finals? I understand the best available and upgrading arguments but with 10 already on our list I don't see the need to stretch that out to 12 say just to find the best 4. You can find decent smalls anytime in any draft in any year. They are a dime a dozen. If we believe our existing smalls aren't the answer moving forward then you delist them before you recruit so many more.
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As of 9/12/09
RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
Putt still training with Hawthorn but Coburg's Morris is no longer training with the Bulldogs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/87983/default.aspx
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As of 9/12/09
RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
We know we are picking up Polly and O'Reilly so there's 10 names vying for just 5 spots.
Is injury the only reason Alex Goodingham (Dandenong / 187cm /78kg at Nov, 2008) been overlooked? He was overlooked last year as well.
Vision: http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=70366
Might get shot for this but this kid has barely rated a mention which surprises almost as much as the lack of discussion around Liam Jones. Goodingham entered the year [2008] pretty highly regarded and would have been a RD 3 ND selection at start of year. Like German had a pretty interrupted year with injury. Physical presence on a ground and will hold his feet in a contest. Strong overhead and has neat skills. Could be a real bargain this late and will be watching for him.
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=47687
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RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
what are the details of these two?
:)
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RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Rangers)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
what are the details of these two?
:)
Relton Roberts
Age: 23
Height: 175cm
Hometown: Katherine
Recruited from: Wanderes Football Club (NTFL) / Katherine
http://www.territoryfc.com.au/index.php?id=50
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Relton%20Roberts&action=PSTATS&pID=190476517&client=1-2860-0-97035-11226874
A couple of posts on bigfooty from posters who give their location as darwin, for what it's worth;
Sublime skill by foot on either side of the body...
When you ask Relton wether he is right or left footed he replies "I dont know" and he's for real haha - he is the definition of ambidextrous.
Iv'e seen him snap some great goals from 50 on his left and right foot, man i hope you guys pick him up, he'd be such a handy player.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16406031&postcount=6
Would not mind at all if we picked up Relton with a rookie pick. Has played in the NTFL for a number of years now for both Nightcliff and Wanderers and is a tremendously skilled footballer. In my opinion he is a better prospect than Liam Patrick and Shane Thorne, who are both similar age wise to Roberts. He has done some amazing things on the footy field and will definately impress with his skills if he is training with us. I heard last week while playing against Tiwi Bombers he had about 15 clearances and was best on ground despite his side losing by 60 points. There may be some doubts about his work ethic to make it at AFL level but I don't know the bloke personally.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16408801&postcount=20
Goulburn Valley's two Aboriginal stars from the Northern Territory, Relton Roberts and Rowan Bonson, rang rings around the BFLs best defenders with Roberts kicking three goals and Bonson one. The pair often shared the ball
http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/local/sport/general/goulburn-valley-overpowers-ballarat-at-interleague-carnival/780522.aspx
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thanks al!
:)
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Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
what are the details of these two?
:)
Jakobi was captain of Brighton Grammar this year. Played two games for Sandringham dragons
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Benjamin%20Jakobi&action=PSTATS&pID=189744766&client=1-3020-0-81015-8064749 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Benjamin%20Jakobi&action=PSTATS&pID=189744766&client=1-3020-0-81015-8064749)
Pics: (He's #33)
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/40/484090_1_L.jpg
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/40/484098_1_L.jpg
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/41/484102_1_L.jpg
http://www-static.sportingpulse.com/pics/00/00/48/41/484106_1_L.jpg
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From NT News
Andrew Aloia
December 11th, 2009
At Punt Road, Barunga and Wanderers star Relton Roberts has pushed a compelling case for Richmond recruiters to consider.
AFLNT's talent and coaching manager Jarrod Chipperfield has locked in the 23-year-old utility as a smoky.
"Relton's skills really impressed them but his fitness is a long way off the elite level required," Chipperfield said,
"It sounds like the Tigers could take him as a mature age rookie, a bit of a project player."
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/11/108641_ntsport.html
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From NT News
Andrew Aloia
December 11th, 2009
At Punt Road, Barunga and Wanderers star Relton Roberts has pushed a compelling case for Richmond recruiters to consider.
AFLNT's talent and coaching manager Jarrod Chipperfield has locked in the 23-year-old utility as a smoky.
"Relton's skills really impressed them but his fitness is a long way off the elite level required," Chipperfield said,
"It sounds like the Tigers could take him as a mature age rookie, a bit of a project player."
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/11/108641_ntsport.html
You've got more chance of getting a skilled player fit, than making a fit player skilled. As long as he has the required work ethic, on and off the field.
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From NT News
Andrew Aloia
December 11th, 2009
At Punt Road, Barunga and Wanderers star Relton Roberts has pushed a compelling case for Richmond recruiters to consider.
AFLNT's talent and coaching manager Jarrod Chipperfield has locked in the 23-year-old utility as a smoky.
"Relton's skills really impressed them but his fitness is a long way off the elite level required," Chipperfield said,
"It sounds like the Tigers could take him as a mature age rookie, a bit of a project player."
http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2009/12/11/108641_ntsport.html
You've got more chance of getting a skilled player fit, than making a fit player skilled. As long as he has the required work ethic, on and off the field.
I know the rookie list is for rough diamonds that need polishing but I guess the thing that concerns me is a small at 23 y.o. shouldn't be a project player when small's are a dime a dozen to find. For someone with a height deficiency at only 175cm (not his fault that's his genetics) to also lack fitness is one too many issues to have question marks on.
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I wouldnt be too concerned about the fitness MT, that can be quickly rectified if he has the right desire. I'm not to sure how the comp up here compares in standard to others but i reckon the professionalism would be below that of even the top country leagues so a lot of the guys would only be doing what they have to to get a game. It all depends on if they have the desire to work hard to to take their game to a new level.
From what i have heard/read hardwick has a definate plan in what he wants - certain number of type x, certain number of type y players. Roberts would probably being looked at as a small forward so fitness is not as big an issue as it is for a midfielder.
I'd guess Roberts and Free are competing for the same spot (player type) and I'll trust whichever way they go. It all seems to be a lot more professional and thought out than previous years.
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I can't remember which thread asked about Dylan Grimes' height but this is Burgan's spiel on him.....
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights, VIC)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 81kg, DOB: 16/07/91
Recruited from: Hurstbridge
The younger brother of emerging Demon Jack is also set to join the AFL. Grimes is taller than his older sibling, impressing with his closing speed and strong defensive play.
Draft range: 30-50
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85991/default.aspx
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I wouldnt be too concerned about the fitness MT, that can be quickly rectified if he has the right desire. I'm not to sure how the comp up here compares in standard to others but i reckon the professionalism would be below that of even the top country leagues so a lot of the guys would only be doing what they have to to get a game. It all depends on if they have the desire to work hard to to take their game to a new level.
From what i have heard/read hardwick has a definate plan in what he wants - certain number of type x, certain number of type y players. Roberts would probably being looked at as a small forward so fitness is not as big an issue as it is for a midfielder.
I'd guess Roberts and Free are competing for the same spot (player type) and I'll trust whichever way they go. It all seems to be a lot more professional and thought out than previous years.
while i agree with everything else, i don't think the bit about free is true. he isn't a small forward. He's more of a backpocket/mid player.
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As of 14/12/09
RICHMOND
Jayden Cass (Eastern Ranges)
Josh Free (North Ballarat)
Alex Goodingham (Dandenong Stingrays)
Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
James Hallahan (Dandenong Stingrays)
Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
Ben Jakobi (Sandringham Dragons)
Justin Kadhlefelt (Southport)
James O’Rielly (Ireland)
Graham Polak (Richmond)
Relton Roberts (Wanderers)
Luke Tobin (Sandringham Dragons)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/88109/default.aspx
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No changes for us. You would reckon though that FJ and Cameron would have a fair idea who they want.