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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 12, 2009, 08:26:15 AM
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It'll be interesting to see how our rucks go in 2010.
Who do you think will be our ruck combo going into round 1 next year and will it have changed by round 22?
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Think with Simmo being contracted again he'd have to be first choice. (Unfortunatly)
And then you'd raffle off the best pre season out of Browne and Gus.
Personally I would have rathered Gus and Browne to be given 22 games each this year and really start to learn to work together, They are still big bodies and would be competitive against most sides 2nd ruckman.
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I think we will see all three regularly playing together this year. From what I gathered from watching training this week it was obvious we are lacking height and size in the forwardline and the regular targets of the midfielders seemed to be the big fellows as they were the only players who appeared to find space and won the marking duels in congested situations.
Gus is a monster at the moment so at the very least he will rest in the forwardline with Simmonds remaining our 1st ruck. Browne still lacks defensively and mobility wise though has pace on the lead. Gus actually appeared more mobile, agile and skillful that Simmonds! Vickery still remains one or two developmental years away from rucking regularly against monsters Gus' size but IMO will probably find a spot in the forwardline.
Stripes
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Simmonds-Graham - 1st choice!
but i think that Vickery will play as a tall forward, so possibly have 3 ruckmen in a match.
:)
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Vickery, Simmo, Gus, Browne to play as the forward changing with Vickery.
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why did carlton often have 2 ruckman at the contest Warnock & Kruzer, and we often had 0
?? :-X :-X
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because one of our rucks is past it and cant get to contests or at least match athletic abilities with the kreuzer types, and our 2nd ruckman is a kid whose about 3 years away from being any good. our other rucks werent selected. thats my opinion anyway.
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if this is the case then vickery must play in the forward line so we have someone who makes a contest when we have a ball up in the forward line.
and GRaham or Browne in the middle and tell them to fcking run to contests.
i was not expecting to lose the clearences to that extent. Murphy killed us - but it does not help when we have no ruckman trying to at least knock the ball to advantage.
I am scared to think what would of happened if Judd played
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because one of our rucks is past it and cant get to contests or at least match athletic abilities with the kreuzer types, and our 2nd ruckman is a kid whose about 3 years away from being any good. our other rucks werent selected. thats my opinion anyway.
Wasnt Simmos fault.
You will find that Vickery was to be the ruckman but for some unknown reason he stood back with there other big tall. ::)
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Our ruck options are very limited at the point (understatement) that's why. We arguably have the worst ruck division in the league. A legacy of past poor recruitment and drafting.
It wouldn't surprise me if we target an experienced ruckman when free agency comes in (2012?). Would fit in with the timing of our list maturing and save time and certainty rather than waiting another 5+ years hoping another 18 year old will become a top ruckman. Every current top side has traded for an experienced big ruckman.
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if this is the case then vickery must play in the forward line so we have someone who makes a contest when we have a ball up in the forward line.
that would be fine if indeed he did make a contest, unless I blinked and missed it he rarely got his hands above his head...poor sign, Im really losing faith in this kid...dunno how many times pre draft I warned of selecting ruckman with first pick ::)
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if this is the case then vickery must play in the forward line so we have someone who makes a contest when we have a ball up in the forward line.
that would be fine if indeed he did make a contest, unless I blinked and missed it he rarely got his hands above his head...poor sign, Im really losing faith in this kid...dunno how many times pre draft I warned of selecting ruckman with first pick ::)
I too are just not seeing this Kid being that good. I wil give him time but from what I have seen so far I dont see him being the Ruckman of our next premiership. Hope I am wrong.
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our ruck man did alright i thought ... just the carlton players kept tacking the ball after we would try and pass it in the Mid and ruck,,, i reckon we need better forwards (we should have looked at big bad bazza) we had too many points that should have been goals.
Rival round: Richmond VS Umpires :banghead
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if this is the case then vickery must play in the forward line so we have someone who makes a contest when we have a ball up in the forward line.
that would be fine if indeed he did make a contest, unless I blinked and missed it he rarely got his hands above his head...poor sign, Im really losing faith in this kid...dunno how many times pre draft I warned of selecting ruckman with first pick ::)
It's only the 1st round of the kids 2nd year. Ruckmen aren't supposed to show anything until they're about 22-23 and he already showed glimpses of his ability last year. Talk about premature.
I too are just not seeing this Kid being that good. I wil give him time but from what I have seen so far I dont see him being the Ruckman of our next premiership. Hope I am wrong.
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Need to add another tall to the side (at least), not just replace one that played the other night. The report on Browne from the coburg game gives a glimmer of hope i suppose.
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our ruck man did alright i thought ... just the carlton players kept tacking the ball after we would try and pass it in the Mid and ruck,,, i reckon we need better forwards (we should have looked at big bad bazza) we had too many points that should have been goals.
Rival round: Richmond VS Umpires :banghead
our ruckmen were poo, u r wrong, open ur eyes
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I would like to see use player three ruckmen in the side against the Dogs with one resting on the bench, one rotating through the forwardline and the other taking the ruck contests in the middle and back half. One the biggest problems, it seemed, was that Simmo just did not have the endurance to play out the game and make it to the contests whereas Vickery is still too small in everything other than the center bounce.
We need more talls int he forwardline regardless and until Stbury and Griffiths can get on the park, a 3rd ruck could be the answer - my choice Browne, given immediate form.
Stripes
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Jack 100% incorrect sorry mate.
Vickory spent about 30% game time as a forward. Simmonds not once played forward and was our main ruckman. Agree Vickory missed contests but missed half as many as Simmons missed. Simmonds was the main culprit. It may be part of our structure of our defensive zone and Hardwick tried to shark off the oppositions taps. If it happens next week Im sure some journo will pick up on it and ask a question and we'll find out.
If it's not a direct instruction Simmonds simple cannot be selected until he plays a good game at VFL level. Earn his spot please.
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Jack 100% incorrect sorry mate.
Vickory spent about 30% game time as a forward. Simmonds not once played forward and was our main ruckman. Agree Vickory missed contests but missed half as many as Simmons missed. Simmonds was the main culprit. It may be part of our structure of our defensive zone and Hardwick tried to shark off the oppositions taps. If it happens next week Im sure some journo will pick up on it and ask a question and we'll find out.
If it's not a direct instruction Simmonds simple cannot be selected until he plays a good game at VFL level. Earn his spot please.
I sat in the Southern Stand and can tell you in the third quarter Simmo played out of the Goal Square for a 6 min period.
Also on several occassions , Vickery was confused and actually ran away from the throw ins ::).
I would suggest this, that Vickery was confused on who he was playing on as they had two ruckman on the ground at once , and Vickery rang back to there other Ruckman , either Warnock or kruszer in the middle corridor.
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our ruck man did alright i thought ...
At times it was Warnock and Kruzer in the ruck vs either Reiwoldt or no Richmond ruckman.
How did we do alright ?? :o
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
Vickery in the TAC Cup was using elbows, he looked like he could develop into a hard bastard type of ruck...dont know why hes playing like he is, its not reflective of how he was playing junior footy.
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and before any internet nuffer takes me to task and starts abusing me, ( its getting boring by the way )
Jordon Roughhead from the Bulldogs played on Friday night, first game, and he is already gone past Vickery :banghead
Our club are dreaming
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The only boring thing around here is you Jack.
You are going to be in your element this year and next.
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Ramps I really reckon it is the reason why ruckmen take so long to develop is because they go from being the standout big person they play against to playing against men where it is not only the opposition ruckmen who can match them for body size but other KPP position players.
Vickers needs to grow and from my point of view for a young developing ruckmen is showing good signs.
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Ramps I really reckon it is the reason why ruckmen take so long to develop is because they go from being the standout big person they play against to playing against men where it is not only the opposition ruckmen who can match them for body size but other KPP position players.
Vickers needs to grow and from my point of view for a young developing ruckmen is showing good signs.
Go and watch Roughead for the Dogs.
You need big men who can at least have a presence on the ground and at least iron someone out occasionily.
Vickery couldnt iron the collar on his shirt
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Vickery is developing just fine and will make it.
Simmonds however is finished.
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Vickery is developing just fine and will make it.
Simmonds however is finished.
Vickery developing into what may I ask ?. A netballer ?? If it wasnt for his dad being down there, he would never of got to punt rd.Have a look at Roughead for the Bulldogs on Friday night, we are dreaming.
The club know that Simmonds is finished, but Vickery aint going to be the answer.
BRING ON BROWNE
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i think vickery's first quarter was bloody great against sandilands, but obviously got physically worked over as the game went on and it showed! He's tracking just fine, but really needs to put on 8-10 kg's
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AFL isnt netball, forget about Vickery.
Watching Browne on Saturday, he could be answer
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Vickery developing into what may I ask ?. A netballer ?? If it wasnt for his dad being down there, he would never of got to punt rd.
I thought you were smarter than this. He's in his 2nd year FF Jackie.
Not all rucks develop at the same pace and most are slow believe it or not.
I think Vickery will prove you wrong and to write him off yet is folly. Still plenty of maturing in that body to do yet.
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Mate, he should be wearing a skirt.
Watch Roughhead please
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Mate, he should be wearing a skirt.
Watch Roughhead please
He looks promising but Roughead's played one bloody game.
At 19, both are still babies in terms of ruck development.
You've offered up Roughead on the back of one outing but there are countless examples where rucks have taken 3,4,5 years to mature.
Vickery has the tools & smarts to be a very good player IMO.
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and before any internet nuffer takes me to task and starts abusing me, ( its getting boring by the way )
Jordon Roughhead from the Bulldogs played on Friday night, first game, and he is already gone past Vickery :banghead
Our club are dreaming
LOL Jack, your the benchmark mate! Your my rule of thumb to check lol :thumbsup :cheers
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and before any internet nuffer takes me to task and starts abusing me, ( its getting boring by the way )
Jordon Roughhead from the Bulldogs played on Friday night, first game, and he is already gone past Vickery :banghead
Our club are dreaming
LOL Jack, your the benchmark mate! Your my rule of thumb to check lol :thumbsup :cheers
Mark my words, he wont make it.
We should of got Mumford from the Cats.
Browne is the answer .
Should play him now
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Dumb thread 8)
Vickery is our ruckman of the future. Can we please bring in Graham to replace Simmonds. At least this would be a young, enthusiastic combo :)
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Dumb thread 8)
Vickery is our ruckman of the future. Can we please bring in Graham to replace Simmonds. At least this would be a young, enthusiastic combo :)
Graham is the WORST PLAYER ON OUR LIST :banghead
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Browne needs a tank, I like him and rate him but I think he suffered from a lack of endurance. If it is something that can be corrected were on to a winner with him, otherwise, he might end up a monster forward option... I dunno
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Browne needs a tank, I like him and rate him but I think he suffered from a lack of endurance. If it is something that can be corrected were on to a winner with him, otherwise, he might end up a monster forward option... I dunno
Would agree, better option than Vickery and Graham
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We dont seem to develop our ruckman, most of our recent first rucks going back to Mark Lee are all imports, we got some good years from Gale when he left CHF but whats going wrong with our development of the big fellas coz it still seems to be happening they come and go we get nowhere
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Watched Coburg play on Saturday. Was not overly impressed by our ruck division. Vickery needs to bulk up.
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
Interesting for those who were watching on the couch tonight.
They gave both Vickery and Riewoldt decent whacks.
Said Vickery doesnt go hard enough and show an example where he let a goal go through ::)
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Vickery developing into what may I ask ?. A netballer ?? If it wasnt for his dad being down there, he would never of got to punt rd.
I thought you were smarter than this. He's in his 2nd year FF Jackie.
Not all rucks develop at the same pace and most are slow believe it or not.
I think Vickery will prove you wrong and to write him off yet is folly. Still plenty of maturing in that body to do yet.
You might want to watch a replay of "'on the couch "" tonight
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
Interesting for those who were watching on the couch tonight.
They gave both Vickery and Riewoldt decent whacks.
Said Vickery doesnt go hard enough and show an example where he let a goal go through ::)
Are you replying to your own posts Jack? Kinda like having a convo with yourself on the internet, you got separate ISP's or you share a computer lol
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
Interesting for those who were watching on the couch tonight.
They gave both Vickery and Riewoldt decent whacks.
Said Vickery doesnt go hard enough and show an example where he let a goal go through ::)
Are you replying to your own posts Jack? Kinda like having a convo with yourself on the internet, you got separate ISP's or you share a computer lol
One laptop, there is only one of me, thank god ;)
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Roughead played against a pretty inept side in the Crows, with Hudson doing all the hard yards really. Vickery played against the number one ruck in the comp with Simmonds providing little real support. You think with Lade as a ruck coach, he should be able to develop into some sought of player in time. In terms of pansyness, well it seems that large portion of our big guys are afflicted with that. Big bodies hurt small people, do that all the time!!
Play these kids and they will eventually get it. Im all for changing up between Browne, Vickery and Simmonds. Im not too fussed about ruckman, seems to be the last thing in the puzzle that premiership sides throw in, there will be one around that we can poach.
More concerned about having players that can cement a CHB and CHF role.
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
get with the program ya bloody boofhead, TV is performing no differently than any of the other leading rucks at same age...Give me the wrap on how some of his ruck peers were travelling at 19 and then report back, ya gotta love these armchair experts that have never amounted to anything in terms of elite sport making simpleminded revelations like they're shelling peas :lol
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You might want to watch a replay of "'on the couch "" tonight
OTC is the gospel of football knowledge?
Sorry hadn't realised this. I must watch every week.
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
get with the program ya bloody boofhead, TV is performing no differently than any of the other leading rucks at same age...Give me the wrap on how some of his ruck peers were travelling at 19 and then report back, ya gotta love these armchair experts that have never amounted to anything in terms of elite sport making simpleminded revelations like they're shelling peas :lol
Gerard Healey doesnt whack many players, he gave Vickery and Riewoldt big whacks tonight.
Oh yeah I forgot, you nuffers know better ::)
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Simmo should've been retired at the end of last season. He looks unfit out there and makes too many embarrassing errors. He should've stepped out of the team instead of Bowden (even though Bowden isn't a solution to our Ruck problem).
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
get with the program ya bloody boofhead, TV is performing no differently than any of the other leading rucks at same age...Give me the wrap on how some of his ruck peers were travelling at 19 and then report back, ya gotta love these armchair experts that have never amounted to anything in terms of elite sport making simpleminded revelations like they're shelling peas :lol
Gerard Healey doesnt whack many players, he gave Vickery and Riewoldt big whacks tonight.
Oh yeah I forgot, you nuffers know better ::)
Jack please Healy is a clown.
He's been in Cousins back pocket and gave him huge wraps last night when clearly Ben is really struggling.
He gave Cotchin a serve for being captain last week and backing it up with a 10 possession first half and said he had to get more of teh ball.
I missed the mail when only a Ablett 25 possession qtr was acceptable for midfielders let alone one who has played less than 30 games.
Gerard Healy is a geriatric.
We have to accept each player in the side is going to make 2 mistakes a game. Until we do we'll spend our lives on hear complaining about it.
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Gerard Healey doesnt whack many players, he gave Vickery and Riewoldt big whacks tonight.
Oh yeah I forgot, you nuffers know better ::)
A shed load of commentators haven't felt it worth commentating on at all.
Selectively picking media opinions who happen to agree with yours is a pathetic look.
BTW Healy is a nuffer. :lol
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He should have ran straight through Ballintyne. Yet he pulled away from a guy that is 4ft 3.
We complain about our lack of big men yet our biggest bloke is weaker our smallest Robbie Hicks.
Simmonds is a Melbourne Storm player. Playing for nothing. Get him out of our jumper.
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Gerard Healey doesnt whack many players, he gave Vickery and Riewoldt big whacks tonight.
Oh yeah I forgot, you nuffers know better ::)
A shed load of commentators haven't felt it worth commentating on at all.
Selectively picking media opinions who happen to agree with yours is a pathetic look.
BTW Healy is a nuffer. :lol
You have no idea
Healy mentors Ben Cousins you clown and was instrumental in getting him back to play AFL.
Pointless arguing with idiots :banghead
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Healy mentors Ben Cousins you clown and was instrumental in getting him back to play AFL.
What has Cousins got to do with what we're debating?
Do you think Healy has always been right?
Others with equal credentials would disagree with him.
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healey was a good player
healey is a terrible commentator
does he know what he's talking about? probably.. but he's still a terrible commentator
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Healy mentors Ben Cousins you clown and was instrumental in getting him back to play AFL.
What has Cousins got to do with what we're debating?
Do you think Healy has always been right?
Others with equal credentials would disagree with him.
It was you that said Healy is a nuffer.
There is only one nuffer here and thats YOU !
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Guys its a given that it this stage we are crap..but i get the feeling that we the supporters are blindly having a crack at almost every jourmalist who so much as has a go at us.....surely being a crap side and up until now a crap organisation we deserve a lot of what we'ere getting
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It was you that said Healy is a nuffer.
There is only one nuffer here and thats YOU !
I was actually joking Jackie.
Anyways I still don't think he's always right.
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Vickery is well ahead of schedule for a 19 year old ruckman that is 15kg underweight for his position
Has good taps to advantage stats and isn't getting a lot of time on the ground as they manage his workload and don't run him into the ground.
He's getting ZERO assistance from Old Man Simmonds
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LMAO Infamy.
I'm stalking your posts and agreeing.
For a 19 yr old he looks as though he will be a handy 21/2 year old.
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Mate, he should be wearing a skirt.
Watch Roughhead please
Watched him last night. Average. WORSE than average. I'm not saying "terrible", because he's a young kid.
The only good thing he did was kick that goal. 3 hit-outs, didn't lead, 8 disposals (6 handballs), 1 tackle.
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I can see why they kept Simmonds on.
Tyrone Vickery isnt going to make it , why ?
He is way too femine.
He plays the game like a girl, flaps his arms and adds nothing .
Graham like wise.
We need to look at BROWNE ASAP.
At least Browne has a go and what I seen at Coburg on the weeknd, we have something to work with, Graham and Vickery NOTHING
Jamar has come good at 26/27 years of age in his 8th or so season.
and you are happy to write off Vickery in the start of his 2nd season...
:o
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yes
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jack i know in the past you have questioned Vickerys desire and aggressiveness,but is there anything in his technique as a footballer that has led you to the conclusion that he probably wont make it...because i think the mental side of his game can probably be addressed at such a young age
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yes
So you just choose to ignore Roughead's bad game. ::)
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yes
idiot
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jack i know in the past you have questioned Vickerys desire and aggressiveness,but is there anything in his technique as a footballer that has led you to the conclusion that he probably wont make it...because i think the mental side of his game can probably be addressed at such a young age
To play Ruck, you must have a hard egde and be physical.
Do we want another "'Josh Fraser "" ?? NO !
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yes
idiot
Why Clown ?
because I have an opinion on an internet forum ::)
Get a life
I dont think he will make it.
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yes
idiot
Why Clown ?
because I have an opinion on an internet forum ::)
Get a life
I dont think he will make it.
Well if you're allowed an opinion then I am to... and mine is that you're an idiot
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sheesh jack very harsh on a kid who by all rights probably should not have been given an afl game to date other than a couple of sweeteners to give him a taste.
cmon we all know ruck is the most physical part of the game and when you have a kid 15 kg below ideal playing weight and having to play most games well exactly what did we all expect.
dont judge this kid now judge him when hes fully developed and has the physical attributes to actually compete at this level.
the facts are if we had any half decent ruckmen on the list at all, vickery would be doing his apprenticeship mostly at coburg where he probably should be for now.
ive said this before i will say it again. imo one area we got wrong in the pre season with so many picks and new people to the top level, was not taking a mature kpf bradshaw was my choice and a ready to go young ruckman if possible jacobs was my choice here.
when we delist at least 8 mostly older types comes season end the failure to do it will hit home even hardr than it should of. at some stage we will be forced to take recycled players to help with the youth.
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sheesh jack very harsh on a kid who by all rights probably should not have been given an afl game to date other than a couple of sweeteners to give him a taste.
cmon we all know ruck is the most physical part of the game and when you have a kid 15 kg below ideal playing weight and having to play most games well exactly what did we all expect.
dont judge this kid now judge him when hes fully developed and has the physical attributes to actually compete at this level.
the facts are if we had any half decent ruckmen on the list at all, vickery would be doing his apprenticeship mostly at coburg where he probably should be for now.
ive said this before i will say it again. imo one area we got wrong in the pre season with so many picks and new people to the top level, was not taking a mature kpf bradshaw was my choice and a ready to go young ruckman if possible jacobs was my choice here.
when we delist at least 8 mostly older types comes season end the failure to do it will hit home even hardr than it should of. at some stage we will be forced to take recycled players to help with the youth.
Yep I am very harsh ,Why ?
I want us to be successful.
We hold onto players that we HOPEwill improve.
The successfull clubs dont live in HOPE.
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Yep I am very harsh ,Why ?
I want us to be successful.
We hold onto players that we HOPEwill improve.
The successfull clubs dont live in HOPE.
Does that mean every single player is supposed to be at their peak the moment they arrive?
Clearly we can't count on them improving
A 19 year old ruckman in his 2nd year is hardly holding onto a player in the hope they improve, they're still a developing player
What a ridiculous attitude
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Yep I am very harsh ,Why ?
I want us to be successful.
We hold onto players that we HOPEwill improve.
The successfull clubs dont live in HOPE.
Does that mean every single player is supposed to be at their peak the moment they arrive?
Clearly we can't count on them improving
A 19 year old ruckman in his 2nd year is hardly holding onto a player in the hope they improve, they're still a developing player
What a ridiculous attitude
Your post is the reason that the Tigers have been a failure.
We hold onto good ordinary footballers etc etc.
We require players with that Magic Touch.
Raw ability. First year players at other clubs can turn it on, why cant ours ?
Posters on here talk about age and game numbers.
Our average age this weekend is 23.5 and games 62
Carlton is 23.4 and games 67
Freo 24.0 and 76.
There isnt much difference.
The difference is we hold onto players that havent got the abilty or touch of magic.
And lets be fair dinkum, if it wasnt for his Dads role at the club, would he be at Punt Rd ?? I think not.
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Like you ad naseum post prwviously Jack you look at isolated games for a wide spread of debutantes and hold them up as a living example to bag the RFC
Maybe you should also watch out for the bad and average games they play as well
Its all about balance
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Like you ad naseum post prwviously Jack you look at isolated games for a wide spread of debutantes and hold them up as a living example to bag the RFC
Maybe you should also watch out for the bad and average games they play as well
Its all about balance
Look here clown.
I have watched Tyrone since he was 16
Seen all his tapes from Northern Knights before he was drafted
I wouldnt have drafted him
I dont think Vickery is smart enough to play AFL and struggles with the thought process in playing ( which was clearly evident in Round 1 against Carlton)
I think that Browne has more upside than Vickery.
Its my opinion and i am entitled to it.
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Yep I am very harsh ,Why ?
I want us to be successful.
We hold onto players that we HOPEwill improve.
The successfull clubs dont live in HOPE.
Does that mean every single player is supposed to be at their peak the moment they arrive?
Clearly we can't count on them improving
A 19 year old ruckman in his 2nd year is hardly holding onto a player in the hope they improve, they're still a developing player
What a ridiculous attitude
Your post is the reason that the Tigers have been a failure.
We hold onto good ordinary footballers etc etc.
We require players with that Magic Touch.
Raw ability. First year players at other clubs can turn it on, why cant ours ?
Posters on here talk about age and game numbers.
Our average age this weekend is 23.5 and games 62
Carlton is 23.4 and games 67
Freo 24.0 and 76.
There isnt much difference.
The difference is we hold onto players that havent got the abilty or touch of magic.
And lets be fair dinkum, if it wasnt for his Dads role at the club, would he be at Punt Rd ?? I think not.
Your analysis of the stats is unfairly skewed Jack.
We have 2 players aged in their 30's with a total of 451 games between them, Carlton and Fremantle have none. Neither of these 2 players have a significant impact on our team on game day, indeed you can safely mount a case for one of them to be very counter-productive, and both will be gone at seasons end so over 30% of our games experience is of little value and will be gone in 4 months time.
The players that have the most impact in any side are the hard, experienced, mid to late 20's age group - that's what all good sides have in abundance.
We have 3 - Tuck, Newman and Moore.
Carlton have 6 - Scotland, Houlihan, O'hAilpin, Carrazzo, Judd, Simpson.
Fremantle have 10 - Tarrant, Hayden, McPharlin, Haselby, Pavlich, McPhee, Sandilands, Crowley, Johnson, Duffield.
You think that this might just have a smallish impact on the output, guidance, development, protection etc of the kids on the respective lists? And you think that this might just point to why Carlton and Fremantle SEEM to be better at picking kids who can play early? Maybe, just maybe, their kids get protection and a helping hand that our kids don't just yet. And maybe, just maybe this is why both those sides are in the mix for finals, despite your raw stats pointing to an equality between the lists that doesn't exist in reality.
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Well said Smokey but I fear a point made in too much common sense rationale for some of our more challenged members here
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Just thought I would bring up Old Mates thread again.. ;D with all the talk surrounding Simmonds, Gus and Browne this year so far. Or some talk about how inadequate our ruck division has been.
Do we go for a ruckman with our first pick in the draft at pick 900, just joking, pick 4, if we do then who will be available.
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Do we go for a ruckman with our first pick in the draft at pick 900, just joking, pick 4, if we do then who will be available.
Best available with Pick 4
Hopefully that is Sam Day who is tall and athletic enough to play kpp and ruck
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Do we go for a ruckman with our first pick in the draft at pick 900, just joking, pick 4, if we do then who will be available.
Best available with Pick 4
Hopefully that is Sam Day who is tall and athletic enough to play kpp and ruck
Excellent, we should keep an eye on him, is he playing in the under 18's this weekend?? If so it should be on Fox, I will tape it and have a look and report on him.
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Yep I am very harsh ,Why ?
I want us to be successful.
We hold onto players that we HOPEwill improve.
The successfull clubs dont live in HOPE.
Does that mean every single player is supposed to be at their peak the moment they arrive?
Clearly we can't count on them improving
A 19 year old ruckman in his 2nd year is hardly holding onto a player in the hope they improve, they're still a developing player
What a ridiculous attitude
Your post is the reason that the Tigers have been a failure.
We hold onto good ordinary footballers etc etc.
We require players with that Magic Touch.
Raw ability. First year players at other clubs can turn it on, why cant ours ?
Posters on here talk about age and game numbers.
Our average age this weekend is 23.5 and games 62
Carlton is 23.4 and games 67
Freo 24.0 and 76.
There isnt much difference.
The difference is we hold onto players that havent got the abilty or touch of magic.
And lets be fair dinkum, if it wasnt for his Dads role at the club, would he be at Punt Rd ?? I think not.
on this you are way of the mark jack. vickery is in his second yr hes skinny lacks power size strength but is being asked to play afl. and why, the simple answers are we need to fast track him but even then it may take 5 yrs and the other is hes all we have got. no one would blink if he was being developed at coburg but lets face it we dont have that luxury.
and what the hell are you doing writing 19 yr old 15 kg under weight ruckmen of. you should know better having been around an afl club. for what its worth i think vickery has shown some very good signs at times. and yes he has not done much but ffs do we really expect much at this stage of his development. like i said if he had not played a game and spent his entire time at coburg noone would have bated an eyelid.
i tell you what lets have this conversation in 2 or 3 yrs time when the skinny boy has become i hope a mature big bodied man. if he fails then i will join you in the critiques.
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Do we go for a ruckman with our first pick in the draft at pick 900, just joking, pick 4, if we do then who will be available.
Best available with Pick 4
Hopefully that is Sam Day who is tall and athletic enough to play kpp and ruck
Excellent, we should keep an eye on him, is he playing in the under 18's this weekend?? If so it should be on Fox, I will tape it and have a look and report on him.
He plays for Sturt in the SANFL, 196cm bigger leap and faster than Naitanui at AIS testing last year
Good chance he may go to Gold Coast, but will be there abouts for Pick 4
He may also choose to go to the USA to pursue a career in basketball or baseball, very talented athlete
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Do we go for a ruckman with our first pick in the draft at pick 900, just joking, pick 4, if we do then who will be available.
Best available with Pick 4
Hopefully that is Sam Day who is tall and athletic enough to play kpp and ruck
Excellent, we should keep an eye on him, is he playing in the under 18's this weekend?? If so it should be on Fox, I will tape it and have a look and report on him.
He plays for Sturt in the SANFL, 196cm bigger leap and faster than Naitanui at AIS testing last year
Good chance he may go to Gold Coast, but will be there abouts for Pick 4
He may also choose to go to the USA to pursue a career in basketball or baseball, very talented athlete
Cheers Inf, I will book that game in if its on.. :thumbsup, sounds like the goods, bigger leap and faster then Nat... sheesh, :pray
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and what the hell are you doing writing 19 yr old 15 kg under weight ruckmen of. you should know better having been around an afl club.
Well he wasn't given the rs for nothing was he
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Yep I am very harsh ,Why ?
I want us to be successful.
We hold onto players that we HOPEwill improve.
The successfull clubs dont live in HOPE.
Does that mean every single player is supposed to be at their peak the moment they arrive?
Clearly we can't count on them improving
A 19 year old ruckman in his 2nd year is hardly holding onto a player in the hope they improve, they're still a developing player
What a ridiculous attitude
Your post is the reason that the Tigers have been a failure.
We hold onto good ordinary footballers etc etc.
We require players with that Magic Touch.
Raw ability. First year players at other clubs can turn it on, why cant ours ?
Posters on here talk about age and game numbers.
Our average age this weekend is 23.5 and games 62
Carlton is 23.4 and games 67
Freo 24.0 and 76.
There isnt much difference.
The difference is we hold onto players that havent got the abilty or touch of magic.
And lets be fair dinkum, if it wasnt for his Dads role at the club, would he be at Punt Rd ?? I think not.
on this you are way of the mark jack. vickery is in his second yr hes skinny lacks power size strength but is being asked to play afl. and why, the simple answers are we need to fast track him but even then it may take 5 yrs and the other is hes all we have got. no one would blink if he was being developed at coburg but lets face it we dont have that luxury.
and what the hell are you doing writing 19 yr old 15 kg under weight ruckmen of. you should know better having been around an afl club. for what its worth i think vickery has shown some very good signs at times. and yes he has not done much but ffs do we really expect much at this stage of his development. like i said if he had not played a game and spent his entire time at coburg noone would have bated an eyelid.
i tell you what lets have this conversation in 2 or 3 yrs time when the skinny boy has become i hope a mature big bodied man. if he fails then i will join you in the critiques.
should be taken into account Browne & Vickery only 19 yoa. going to be tough at this stage at AFL level in the ruck
Graham is 23 which is young when consiter came off rookie list
Griffs should not be in the ruck you would think, Westhoff/Polak cover at this stage - need to draft at least 1 more ruckman
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Dimma is pleased we have a couple of ruckmen now in Gus and Ty to go forward with....
"I thought Angus Graham played his best game of the year last Saturday night. Big Gus was terrific, winning 23 possessions and taking a dozen marks. Marking is an area of his game that he’s really worked on, and he’s now starting to reap the benefits . . .
Our other ruckman, Ty Vickery, was good, too. He took a couple of strong marks up forward and kicked 1.2. I reckon our rucks are developing really well. Ruckmen these days don’t play 100% game time, but to have a couple of them who can go forward, take a few grabs and kick goals, is very important for us."
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