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Title: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 19, 2010, 09:46:41 PM
http://www.smfc.com.au/news/828/media-release-south-melbourne-fc-to-be-honoured-at-world-football-gala/


And just think a bunch of racists kicked out the greatest club of the Century from the national competition. I dont think FIFA will be impressed. I dont think FIFA will be impressed when they find out about the progrom organised by Australian soccer against ethnic founded clubs. The stage is set. And Australia can kiss the World Cup bid good bye. Theres going to be alot of behind the scenes discussions. So all I can say to the believers of the A League and the supporters of the FFA- UP YOURS!

We were treated like dogs, now its time for payback!

In the meantime, you should all bow to greatest club in Oceania history   :clapping
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ox on January 19, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
Bowing now.
 :bow
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: the_boy_jake on January 19, 2010, 11:46:33 PM
Gotta be careful bowing in front of you Greeks Ramps  :lol
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 20, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
I cant see any of the Victory boys bowing ...Aaaaaawwwww whats up fellas dont you like the fact that SMFC has got an award that your club will never get, not even in a 1000 years lol  :clapping
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on January 20, 2010, 09:55:17 PM
Victory got the free souvlaki award at Souvlaki Way outside Gate 1 at Etihad.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: tiga on January 20, 2010, 11:21:50 PM
Ramps, I agree that Hellas was a great club with a very proud and successful history in the NSL but lets face it, a Hellas v Makedonia match would more often than not end in ugliness which did no good for the game. I know you go on about A league crowds not being as good as NSL crowds of the past but if you look a bit deeper you will see that the game has a much wider appeal and the number of kids taking up the game since the transition has been astronomical. The game now is also far more appealing to sponsors. The "Wog Ball" stigma is long gone and kids who would have normally taken up Rugby League or Aussie Rules now look at Soccer as genuine alternative.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 20, 2010, 11:54:55 PM
Ramps, I agree that Hellas was a great club with a very proud and successful history in the NSL but lets face it, a Hellas v Makedonia match would more often than not end in ugliness which did no good for the game. I know you go on about A league crowds not being as good as NSL crowds of the past but if you look a bit deeper you will see that the game has a much wider appeal and the number of kids taking up the game since the transition has been astronomical. The game now is also far more appealing to sponsors. The "Wog Ball" stigma is long gone and kids who would have normally taken up Rugby League or Aussie Rules now look at Soccer as genuine alternative.

South Melbourne vs Preston is only a problem if the clubs are in the same league, where the clubs were seperated by leagues in the past there was no issue coz we didnt play one another. I think the new found supporters are great for the game but they have a club to support now and its the Victory. Who are the Hearts going to get for supporters? South Melbourne and Marconi should have been the 2nd sides in Melbourne and Sydney.  In effect in Melbourne it would have been South vs the rest ... and it would have created the biggest rivalry in the game without any shadow of doubt.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: the_boy_jake on January 21, 2010, 12:43:13 AM
I think that the history of ethnic clubs in major Australian cities adds depth to the game. The problem here is that if you include a team which many people still consider a Greek team, you will get support from the Greek community, but nowhere else. I don't like the franchise model at all, but if they want one or two teams in the city and 20,000 people a week every week they need to be more inclusive. At the moment it looks like it is failing anyway, but I can understand what they were trying to do.

The real problem is that due to the costs involved, you need to be getting 20,000 a week to stay viable and grow the comp. This isn't helped by the fact that there really are no local derbies to make things interesting or to share the effort of getting people to games and marketing the game. The product is poor now and was poor when I watched the NSL. I'm done with paying to watch the A-League, it just isn't value for money. To get people to games you need to draw on the ethnic communities and the local derbies and the history, so the real problem is: how do you run a viable national competition with the number of people interested in soccer in the country and the tyranny of distance in this very large country.

I much prefer the old capital centric model. In an ideal world, I would have done something like this, 5 teams per major city.

e.g. for Brisbane

Brisbane Lions (Hollandia, western corridor out to Ipswich)
Brisbane Strikers or Rochedale Rovers (Southside if strikers would use Logan base)
Gold Coast Knights
Peninsula Power (Northside/Sunny coast)
Brisbane City (City centre/inner suburbs)

Suggestion for Melbourne (don't know the history or geography or who are the powerful teams at the moment)

South
Knights
Heidelberg
Team 4
Team 5

Sydney
Marconi
Sydney United
Olympic
Manly
Sutherland

Whatever, I'm just picking names out.

Then you play as follows - each team plays the teams in their city 4 times - 16 games and a total 32 local derbies per season.

Each team plays an away games in each other city - 5 games.
Each team plays a home game, hosting a team from each other city - 5 more games.

26 games and then at the end you have a finals series with the top teams from each city.

This way, crowds and interest are maximised by the number of local derbies.
Costs pertaining to travel minimized by the fact you are only traveling interstate 5 times/year.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: the_boy_jake on January 21, 2010, 12:51:53 AM
PS one of the problems here is FIFA itself. Their constant demands on what is acceptable for entry into whatever club championship or for hosting the WC are unreasonable. You can't run a European style league in a country this size.

1. It costs lots for the teams to travel.
2. You get no away fans and a massive part of football is the atmosphere and interchange between home and away teams.

Look at the biggest countries in the world

1. Russia - football is no. 1 sport
2. Canada - no football league to speak of
3. Brazil - football crazy, but even they have a non-conventional league structure with Rio/Sao Paulo etc having their own championships for part of the year.
4. USA - MLS is poor and only survives because the US is the richest country in the world and sponsors have expendable capital. Hasnt really made any progress over the years.
5. Australia

There is no history of soccer being successful as no. 4/5 sport in a country the size of Australia.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: tiga on January 21, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Really interesting point Jake. Having an even mix of supporters at games would have a massive effect on crowd numbers and atmosphere. Rivalry is of such huge importance to any spectator sport. A national competition really kills this.
Whats the point if your team thrashes the opposition and there is nobody to wave goodbye to as they leave early during your gloating process. My In Laws have seasons tickets for the Paramatta Eels and they take me to quite a few games and the atmospheric difference between a Parramatta v Manly game and a Parramatta v Nth QLD Game are massive. Both crowds and atmosphere are well down for those interstate matches. I'm sure its the same comparison for Tigers v Carlton and Tigers v Freo. Can you imagine how the AFL would be affected if for some bizarre reason the decided to only have one or two teams per state?

Back on the kids in sport, after your post it made me think that sure there are more kids playing soccer but I bet if you asked them for their favorite football team more often than not they would say Tigers, Eels, Pies or Bronco's before Sydney FC, Melb Victory or Brisbane Roar.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: the_boy_jake on January 21, 2010, 09:56:16 AM
Back on the kids in sport, after your post it made me think that sure there are more kids playing soccer but I bet if you asked them for their favorite football team more often than not they would say Tigers, Eels, Pies or Bronco's before Sydney FC, Melb Victory or Brisbane Roar.

For sure tiga, but the AFL and NRL are better to watch and as a result better marketed.

I love soccer, but watching the standard of the A-League in empty stadiums is very boring.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 21, 2010, 12:12:30 PM
South in the A league wouldnt play infront of empty stadiums

2 games vs the Victory would probably sell out the Telstra dome
5 or 6 home games at the new olympic park would probably get half full
and all the other games at a redeveloped Bob Jane would probably attract 12 to 14k which fills about 95% of the stadium.

Who are hearts going to get for supporters.

The strategy will be to suck up disenfranchised supporters of the old NSL, South and Knights- this wont happen in large numbers

They will also try to get disenfranchised Victory supporters- this is problematic, I cant see Victory supporters leaving there club

Then they will try the "feel sorry for me" angle, where they will ask Victory supporters to go there games for the betterment of the game HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

In the meantime every single one of them should bow to the Glory, the Greatness and the Success of FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century  :clapping
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 22, 2010, 08:09:02 AM
These kind of awards are hilarious. Like the joke that is the Club World Cup, FIFA getting carried away with the "World Game" title. How can you have a "club of the century" when these clubs in Australia  weren't formed till the 1950s, played in a now dead comp. that lasted just 27 years, and now play in lower state leagues  ???.

Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 22, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
These kind of awards are hilarious. Like the joke that is the Club World Cup, FIFA getting carried away with the "World Game" title. How can you have a "club of the century" when these clubs in Australia  weren't formed till the 1950s, played in a now dead comp. that lasted just 27 years, and now play in lower state leagues  ???.




Awwww dont be upset that your club will never win one of these awards  :lol Melbourne Victory is not and never will be in the class of South. We have won stuff that the clowns at the Victory can only dream about. Anyway, as I said, do  the right thing, be sensible and humble in defeat, bow to the glory and greatness of the greatest soccer club in this countrys history. And because Ive seen the votes, I can tell you we won in a landslide- And rightly so  :clapping
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 22, 2010, 05:21:37 PM
I'd be too embarrassed to win anything associated with Oceania lol. A joke of a confederation because it's too small and so far behind everyone else. A backwater of soccer. It should be part of the Asian confederation.

The Victory is on its way to its 3rd National championship and premiership in just its 5 year history. There's also the AFC Champions league coming up. How many titles did South win in its first 5 years in the NSL ... ummm .... that would be none  ;). Heidelberg were the stronger Vic team initially. Enjoy the VPL  ;D
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 22, 2010, 06:58:53 PM
your jealousy as a Victory supporter is palpable lol ... Unfortunately your club wont ever win an equivalent award not today, not tomorrow not in 1000 years ... and it burns the lot of you at Victory.  ;D HAHAHAHAHAHA

And by the way, when we won National Championships we werent winning them in 8 team competitions lol. We had to beat great clubs like Marconi, Sydney City, Adelaide City and the Knights in 14 and 16 team comps. Not the bozo clubs like Wellington lol .... HAHAHAHA. Not even FIFA recognises your championships. To be recognised a league has to have 12 teams lol. Maybe one day ... maybe.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 23, 2010, 12:47:18 AM
For FIFA to recognise a league it's got to first still exist unlike the poor old NSL lol :wallywink. The Swiss Super League has 10 teams btw so the A-league will have more teams than them next year. Grasping at straws big fella  ;D. At least in the A-league a NSW team has to earn their spot in the GF unlike the NSW-centric rigged NSL conference system they used in the mid-80s :chuck
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 23, 2010, 05:35:17 AM
For FIFA to recognise a league it's got to first still exist unlike the poor old NSL lol :wallywink. The Swiss Super League has 10 teams btw so the A-league will have more teams than them next year. Grasping at straws big fella  ;D. At least in the A-league a NSW team has to earn their spot in the GF unlike the NSW-centric rigged NSL conference system they used in the mid-80s :chuck

See we even won in a rigged system lol ....that just shows the Greatness, the Glory, the Power and the Passion to succeed of a great club like South. Anyway, we will be getting our Gold fifa trophy for our status as the Club of Century.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: tiga on January 26, 2010, 11:10:27 PM
Ramps you are starting to sound like a Collingwood supporter!!!

Nostalgia is a warm fuzzy blanket that you can curl up in anytime you feel a little insecure but don't expect it to give you new found glory's.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on January 27, 2010, 12:07:43 AM
Unlike Collingwood fans who harp on about exploits 50 years ago South's exploits have been in the last 10 years or so and are recognised by FIFA.

Collingwood's failure is manipulated by the powers that be to make money and to continue their failure.

Give me South's exploits any day.

14 team league.
Relegation and promotion from various state leagues.
Better standard of play.
No 8 team league.
Channel 7,9,10 still don't give a stuff about A league as they didn't with NSL.
If it wasn't for Fox Sports propping up the comp with dwindling crowds then this league would have had casualties in terms of clubs going under already. It's struggling already and we are in year 5 and we have 2 new teams entering the comp with the same contract in terms of tv rights existing for the next 3 or 4 years. The paintwork is certainly losing its sheen and with the exploits of the 2006 World Cup behind us a poor showing next year could see the novelty wear off even further.

South Heidelberg Knights Marconi Olympic may never play Champions League in Asia but their exploits from FIFA are still recognised and values. Victory and Heart could only dream of such exposure on the World Stage.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 27, 2010, 01:35:58 PM
Tucky in all seriousness the Victory could be a serious show in the ACL this year. All depends on managing their squad given they'll need to play A-league finals and ACL group games at the same time.



ps. I see Ramps has posted this article on every soccer forum as well  :rollin

http://www21.sbs.com.au/wgforum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=322112

Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: WilliamPowell on January 27, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
I don't wnat to come across as a stirrer because as most would know I am not a massive follwoer of the "world game" or what I just refer to as soccer

But I actually read a story last week (I think it was) about this and the way I read it this award has come from a division of FIFA not FIFA directly. Am I right on this or have I read it the the wrong way?

Because from the Age article it says in part:

"The Albert Park-based club, which won the NSL title four times and competed on the highest international stage at the inaugural World Club championship a decade ago, has been named Oceania's top team by the International Football Federation of History and Statistics.

The federation is a FIFA-recognised body that collates data and awards points to teams from various parts of the world on their achievements, with a weighting built in for the degree of difficulty in the competition in which they take part.
"

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/south-melbourne-in-exalted-company-at-awards-20100123-mrsa.html

The article then goes onto say that all Clubs recognised by these statistics will go to some FIFA presentation. It then compares South Melb with Real Madrid in that both have won the award in thier region

But I am confused as to how this award actually works  :-\
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 27, 2010, 09:57:28 PM
I don't wnat to come across as a stirrer because as most would know I am not a massive follwoer of the "world game" or what I just refer to as soccer

But I actually read a story last week (I think it was) about this and the way I read it this award has come from a division of FIFA not FIFA directly. Am I right on this or have I read it the the wrong way?

Because from the Age article it says in part:

"The Albert Park-based club, which won the NSL title four times and competed on the highest international stage at the inaugural World Club championship a decade ago, has been named Oceania's top team by the International Football Federation of History and Statistics.

The federation is a FIFA-recognised body that collates data and awards points to teams from various parts of the world on their achievements, with a weighting built in for the degree of difficulty in the competition in which they take part.
"

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/south-melbourne-in-exalted-company-at-awards-20100123-mrsa.html

The article then goes onto say that all Clubs recognised by these statistics will go to some FIFA presentation. It then compares South Melb with Real Madrid in that both have won the award in thier region

But I am confused as to how this award actually works  :-\
I presume they give points to each club within each confederation based on titles won, ladder positions each year, difficult of the competition (the NSL would've been the most difficult competition in Oceania which says it all), etc. I would say this no matter which club won the award but it really is a mickey mouse award except for clubs from Europe and South America. Real Madrid has won it all and even more as far as club football goes against the best clubs in the world and having some of the best players in history wear the famous all white kit. When most of the other clubs from weaker confederations walk on stage the audience will be asking themselves "who?" lol.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 28, 2010, 09:58:55 AM
People should recognise the achievement rather than trying to discredit it. If one of the A Leagues clubs had won then you guys would be all over it, especially if it was the Victory.

SMFC FIFA Club of the Century (Oceania) :clapping
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: WilliamPowell on January 28, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
People should recognise the achievement rather than trying to discredit it. If one of the A Leagues clubs had won then you guys would be all over it, especially if it was the Victory.

SMFC FIFA Club of the Century (Oceania) :clapping

Not trying to discredit it Ramps - just trying to understand it as per my post. Trying to understand where this board that put together the numbers etc fits in with FIFA.

As for if it was an A-League team - wouldn't make an ounce of difference to me. I think the A-League competition is very very poor indeed. Bores me to tears
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 28, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
People should recognise the achievement rather than trying to discredit it. If one of the A Leagues clubs had won then you guys would be all over it, especially if it was the Victory.

SMFC FIFA Club of the Century (Oceania) :clapping
If there is a club that deserves it because they were a strong successful well-supported NSL club it would be S.M. Hellas Ramps. But still for a sport that ranks well below Aussie Rules and the Rugby codes in Oceania it's kind of kind of rank any Oceania-based soccer club gets called "club of the century" when world famous massive clubs like Man Utd, Liverpool, Ar_senal, Juventus, Milan, Barcelona and Bayern Munich miss out because Real Madrid was their competition.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on January 30, 2010, 05:54:43 PM
People should recognise the achievement rather than trying to discredit it. If one of the A Leagues clubs had won then you guys would be all over it, especially if it was the Victory.

SMFC FIFA Club of the Century (Oceania) :clapping
If there is a club that deserves it because they were a strong successful well-supported NSL club it would be S.M. Hellas Ramps. But still for a sport that ranks well below Aussie Rules and the Rugby codes in Oceania it's kind of kind of rank any Oceania-based soccer club gets called "club of the century" when world famous massive clubs like Man Utd, Liverpool, Ar_senal, Juventus, Milan, Barcelona and Bayern Munich miss out because Real Madrid was their competition.

thems the breaks  ;D
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on January 31, 2010, 10:51:35 PM
People should recognise the achievement rather than trying to discredit it. If one of the A Leagues clubs had won then you guys would be all over it, especially if it was the Victory.

SMFC FIFA Club of the Century (Oceania) :clapping
If there is a club that deserves it because they were a strong successful well-supported NSL club it would be S.M. Hellas Ramps. But still for a sport that ranks well below Aussie Rules and the Rugby codes in Oceania it's kind of kind of rank any Oceania-based soccer club gets called "club of the century" when world famous massive clubs like Man Utd, Liverpool, Ar_senal, Juventus, Milan, Barcelona and Bayern Munich miss out because Real Madrid was their competition.

thems the breaks  ;D
Well I hope for South's sake there's some decent quid being offered along with the award or are FIFA being a tightbehind as usual?
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: dizza on March 02, 2010, 10:31:32 PM
what i don't understand is rather than making this laughable new Melbourne Heart team that everyone will hate, why not turn South Melbourne into an A-League club??
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on March 03, 2010, 12:13:44 AM
what i don't understand is rather than making this laughable new Melbourne Heart team that everyone will hate, why not turn South Melbourne into an A-League club??
The FFA forbids old "ethnic" NSL clubs from entering the A-League. They want franchise clubs that appeal to a wider audience. Mind you the Heart could go with a red and white checkered shirt and people in soccer circles would say at least they're honest lol. There could be an extra spot opening up in the A-league though if the Fury go under.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: dizza on March 03, 2010, 06:43:54 PM
what i don't understand is rather than making this laughable new Melbourne Heart team that everyone will hate, why not turn South Melbourne into an A-League club??
The FFA forbids old "ethnic" NSL clubs from entering the A-League. They want franchise clubs that appeal to a wider audience. Mind you the Heart could go with a red and white checkered shirt and people in soccer circles would say at least they're honest lol. There could be an extra spot opening up in the A-league though if the Fury go under.
ahh ok fair enough. not sure who exactly this new team will appeal to though.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on March 23, 2010, 08:19:53 PM
Melbourne Knights fans will jump on as well as afew disenfranchised Victory people.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on March 24, 2010, 06:46:59 PM
Melbourne Knights fans will jump on
Red and white colours a big coincidence
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: gonzo on April 03, 2010, 12:36:05 AM
You guys are funny.  Thanks for the posts.  They did make me smile. :clapping
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on April 07, 2010, 01:29:07 PM
You guys are funny.  Thanks for the posts.  They did make me smile. :clapping

Gonzo this isnt a comedy show, this is purely and simply about the Victory supporters whose club I may add "CHOKED" in a grand final penalty shoot out giving credit where credit is due and that is to FIFA Club of the Century for Oceania in South Melbourne.
 ;D
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on April 08, 2010, 01:28:48 PM
You guys are funny.  Thanks for the posts.  They did make me smile. :clapping

Gonzo this isnt a comedy show, this is purely and simply about the Victory supporters whose club I may add "CHOKED" in a grand final penalty shoot out giving credit where credit is due and that is to FIFA Club of the Century for Oceania in South Melbourne.
 ;D

Shall I bring up the last 5 rounds of 1981 NSL season. On top of the ladder just 5 weeks out (no finals in those days) then go and pick up just 4 points from 5 games to hand Sydney City the title. Now that's choking South boy  :wallywink

Table (top 2) after 25 rounds
South Melb  35
Syd City      34

R26: Adel City    2 - 0 South Melb                        Syd City 3 - 0 APIA
R27: South Melb 0 - 2 Bris City                 Wollongong City 0 - 5 Syd City
R28: Syd City     1 - 1 South Melb
R29: South Melb 1 - 0 Canberra City                      Preston 0 - 2 Syd City
R30: Marconi      1 - 1 South Melb                        Syd City 5 - 3 Adel City

Final table (after 30 rounds)
Syd City      43
South Melb  39

Cough cough!  ;D
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on April 08, 2010, 10:24:34 PM
I thought three points was brought in for a win in the early 90's by FIFA to promote more attacking football and promote teams to not settle for 0-0 draws especially after a very dour and boring World Cup in Italy in 1990.

MT your table suggests than in 25 rounds with 3 points for a win the top team had 34 points and the team in second was on 30. Either the table was very clogged below that or you have misread your info.

Two points were awarded for wins under FIFA law in 1981 and 1 for a draw.
I find in favour of Ramps on a technicality. :help

Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2010, 05:37:13 AM
I thought three points was brought in for a win in the early 90's by FIFA to promote more attacking football and promote teams to not settle for 0-0 draws especially after a very dour and boring World Cup in Italy in 1990.

MT your table suggests than in 25 rounds with 3 points for a win the top team had 34 points and the team in second was on 30. Either the table was very clogged below that or you have misread your info.

Two points were awarded for wins under FIFA law in 1981 and 1 for a draw.
I find in favour of Ramps on a technicality. :help
Doh! lol  [post above corrected]

It still doesn't make a difference with the old 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw system. Winning just 1 game in the last 5 after leading the comp. is choking by definition  ;D.

ps. you're a Heidelberg man anyway Tucky so enjoy a dig at your archrival lol.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: the_boy_jake on April 09, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
A-League in real trouble.

GC Utd averaged 5,000 and are now looking dead.
NQ Fury looking dead in the long term and Townsville will always be rugby league.
When Sydney are losing their crowds are well down. Victory are the only strong club going and I'm sceptical two Melbourne teams will work.

Australian public doesn't like soccer - fact.
You should pay for what you get and $30 to see A-League standard football is a joke. I would seriously only pay $5-$10 and I love soccer.
Why go watch A-League in ordinary atmosphere and empty ground when you can sit at home a few hours later and watch the best commpetitions in the world on pay TV with a cheap beer in hand.

Whoever can get it to work will be a genius.

I can't see any reason going to a game next season.

Dead within 5 years.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Penelope on April 09, 2010, 03:40:41 PM
Maybe they should just enter 3 or 4 sides in an Asian league?
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on April 09, 2010, 10:07:05 PM
Maybe they should just enter 3 or 4 sides in an Asian league?

South Melbourne has been offered a place in an Asian competition next year. Its just the prelude to moving into a Asian League full time within Id say 3 or 4 years if circumstances dont change in Australia

Should be announced next week IMHO. Sponsors lining up 1 after the other at the moment to support South. Pity about the A League, even Clive Palmer walked out!
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on April 09, 2010, 10:09:20 PM
You guys are funny.  Thanks for the posts.  They did make me smile. :clapping

Gonzo this isnt a comedy show, this is purely and simply about the Victory supporters whose club I may add "CHOKED" in a grand final penalty shoot out giving credit where credit is due and that is to FIFA Club of the Century for Oceania in South Melbourne.
 ;D

Shall I bring up the last 5 rounds of 1981 NSL season. On top of the ladder just 5 weeks out (no finals in those days) then go and pick up just 4 points from 5 games to hand Sydney City the title. Now that's choking South boy  :wallywink

Table (top 2) after 25 rounds
South Melb  35
Syd City      34

R26: Adel City    2 - 0 South Melb                        Syd City 3 - 0 APIA
R27: South Melb 0 - 2 Bris City                 Wollongong City 0 - 5 Syd City
R28: Syd City     1 - 1 South Melb
R29: South Melb 1 - 0 Canberra City                      Preston 0 - 2 Syd City
R30: Marconi      1 - 1 South Melb                        Syd City 5 - 3 Adel City

Final table (after 30 rounds)
Syd City      43
South Melb  39

Cough cough!  ;D

Cough Cough anyone who knows anything about the NSL knows the story behind this supposed choke, Its something I cant actually write on here for various reasons.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2010, 10:27:38 PM
Palmer is a whacko. You just needed to watch that 60 minutes interview he did a while back to see why. He treated the Gold Coast public like fools and ticked everyone off. CGU are denying he's quit but the denial was very flimsy when you read the CEO hasn't spoken to Palmer for over a week when there's such  a crisis. NQF at least has some community following which isn't too bad for a town of less than 200k but they can't keep up with the A-league expenses competing against a big city club like Melbourne.

The main problem with Soccer in Australia is it is controlled by Sydney-centric zealots who hate Aussie Rules with a passion and delude themselves into thinking Soccer will swamp the other football codes. From that they make braindead decisions that harm the sport financially. They expanded two quickly before consolidating (trying to reach 12 clubs before the next tv rights are up) and not only that they expanded based on fighting this 'code war'. Why else would any code apart from NRL go for 3 teams in Queensland which isn't a strong Soccer state while having just one club in Victoria and one in Sydney. So they follow the NRL and AFL into the Gold Coast and without the money to invest in a club themselves (FFA that is) they them have to rely on private club ownership controlled by loopy billionaires. The AFL learnt the hard way about private ownership in 80s but the FFA didn't learn from history. As has always been the case with Soccer the adminstration of the sport are imbeciles who always shoot themselves in the foot. The AFC hasn't helped either putting pressure on the FFA to make the A-league more like a European league with eventually two divisions, relegation/promotion, no finals, no NZ sides, and a FA-style Cup. The A-league finals is treated as a Cup competition by the AFC for ACL qualification beleive it or not. Overseas overlords just don't have a clue about the Australian sporting landscape and culture (hello FIFA and the WC bid). Soccer is a niche sport in Australia with the strongest support for the national side. Soccer should be copying Cricket's structure (National team + domestic T20 (A-league in Soccer) + junior grassroot development) rather than trying to take on the AFL and NRL in frontier markets. Less is sometimes more so you're financial models are sustainable. The NBL failed to understand that as well.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: mightytiges on April 09, 2010, 10:41:18 PM
Maybe they should just enter 3 or 4 sides in an Asian league?

South Melbourne has been offered a place in an Asian competition next year. Its just the prelude to moving into a Asian League full time within Id say 3 or 4 years if circumstances dont change in Australia

Should be announced next week IMHO. Sponsors lining up 1 after the other at the moment to support South. Pity about the A League, even Clive Palmer walked out!
It's already been unofficially announced. Ben Buckley and the FFA have given the go ahead for South to be in the Singapore FA Cup. If people didn't follow Soccer forums they would've missed it. Good if it boosts South's coffers but Singaporean soccer is hardly earthshattering lol.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on April 10, 2010, 01:03:05 PM
Maybe they should just enter 3 or 4 sides in an Asian league?

South Melbourne has been offered a place in an Asian competition next year. Its just the prelude to moving into a Asian League full time within Id say 3 or 4 years if circumstances dont change in Australia

Should be announced next week IMHO. Sponsors lining up 1 after the other at the moment to support South. Pity about the A League, even Clive Palmer walked out!
It's already been unofficially announced. Ben Buckley and the FFA have given the go ahead for South to be in the Singapore FA Cup. If people didn't follow Soccer forums they would've missed it. Good if it boosts South's coffers but Singaporean soccer is hardly earthshattering lol.

You missed the point of it all ... its not about getting the invitation to play, its  the first step for our club to go an Asian League full time. We are not wanted or required by the Australian soccer authorities and our club will go where they are wanted.
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 28, 2010, 01:24:52 PM
hey Ramps,

I'm disappointed

Driving home last night some bloke phoned in to congratulate South Melbourne for winning their 1st round game at some international Club competition (somewhere in Asia). He said something about some big name domestice clubs are there as well

Thought you would have been here boasting about it

You weren't the bloke who rang in were you  ;D
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on May 28, 2010, 10:11:04 PM
hey Ramps,

I'm disappointed

Driving home last night some bloke phoned in to congratulate South Melbourne for winning their 1st round game at some international Club competition (somewhere in Asia). He said something about some big name domestice clubs are there as well

Thought you would have been here boasting about it

You weren't the bloke who rang in were you  ;D

We have been invited to play in the Singapore Cup. Our first match resulted in a 2-1 victory to the good guys. We are into the next round now. We also received our gold trophy from FIFA recently for being the team of the century. I wasnt the bloke who rang yesterday it was someone else. Lastly I dont boast about winning 1st round ties. When we win this comp youll hear all about and if we dont Im going to go hide somewhere so I dont have to reply to your posts WP  ;D
Title: Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
Post by: Ramps on May 28, 2010, 10:23:28 PM
In the meantime our home ground is being redeveloped. South emerge with fantastic facilities and a cheap lease for the next 30 years and some major benefits in terms of its social club redevelopment  from what I understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcn21eKSpMk