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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 23, 2010, 02:06:46 AM
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Y&B saying Hardwick will be on KB's show on SEN this thursday morning Jan 28 at 10.30am.
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Y&B saying Hardwick will be on KB's show on SEN this thursday morning Jan 28 at 10.30am.
that needs to be recorded!
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at work!
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Bump.
A reminder our coach will have a rare public interview tomorrow morning on KB's show.
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Bump.
A reminder our coach will have a rare public interview tomorrow morning on KB's show.
Actually they were advertising it this afternoon - said Hardwick will be in the studio :thumbsup
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Hardwick says being 'invisible' was part of the plan. Wants to spend time with the players. Not rob them of development.
It's a transformation period, facilities, players, off-field. Gale was a coup, lots of new coaches. A well planned future.
No short cuts, we've already taken a step backwards to go forwards by cutting so many players, members will look forward to seeing young faces.
Lost a lot of experience, great servants, improvement needs to come from Polo, Connors. Extemely talented players, they hope to extract the best from them. Hislop and other 2-3 year players need to step up.
Game plan may take 1 month, 6 months, 12 months. At training it looks great, but will it stand up under opposition pressure. Fans be patient, we'll get there.
Taken the best parts from Hawks, Power, Bombers and rolled them into one game plan.
Young blokes will play and it's exciting for the fans.
Newman is outstanding, Deledio and Tambling. We have some great talent.
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Thought Tigers were inconsistent when he coached against us. Offensive we were ok, defence not real flash.
Martin very solid, exceptional unit. Very excited. Griffiths seems to grow a bit every day. We'll debut a number of players this season.
Dropping membership was probably right. Disappointing season.
Cousins going very well, he hasn't lost a thing at all despite his age. Since Christmas has stepped up his leadership.
Polak had a very good pre-season. Didn't know where he'd be at after the accident. Mature-age rookie rule helped him.
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Jack is a key forward. Want to get height in the forward line. Polak, Griffiths, Astbury.
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Great summary wayne :cheers
* Probably in a way planned to be less visible. Development more important. 14 new players. Taking me away from the players is a distraction at this time.
* Transformation period for club. New facilities. 14 new players. Off-field changes as well with Gale back/. new coaches. For us going forward it is going to be about following a plan. It's a long-term view. A step back to go forward. Only a couple of other clubs have cut back as hard as we've had.
* Richo, Bowden and these guys were great servants of the club. We need guys in their 4th-5th years to step up. Connors, Polo. They're the ones that need to imoprove for us to go forward. There'll be a measure of our improvement. Hislop as well.
* KB mentioned Saints players took 12 months under Lyon to get use to the new gameplan. Hardwick said it is a tough one - may take 1 month, 6 months, 12 months. It looks good at this point at training but it will all be tested when opposition pressure. We need to keep putting and testing players in pressure situations at training and have them learn from their mistakes.
* Taken all the best parts of Williams, Sheeds and Clarkson and put them into one gameplan. he's learnt a lot from all his coaches.
* Excitment for Richond fans is seeing the young guys play their first game and development from word go. Newman is an excelllent captain and Lids and Tambo have been fantastic. it'll be the kids that are excitiing and will take the club forward.
* From afar he thought we were always inconsistent. Now inside wants to stabilize things. Always been offensively but defensively not. We've ben working on the defensive aspects.
* Martin is an exceptional unit. Grifftiths is growing everyday- bigger and stronger. Taylor, Astbury. Youngest list going forward. We'll be young but exciting.
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* Probably we did expect a fall in membership. Tracking the same as 2 years ago.
* Cuz hasn't lost anything at all. Exceptional he was yesterday, He has taken a step forward in leadership since Christmas. Before Chrissy it was more about getting his body right.
* Polly has been exceptional. We didn't know where he'll be when he first started. Thankful the AFL canged the rookie rules. From where he came from it's a big step forward. He's getting better and feeling better each day. He'll be a big key forward for us.
* Foley has an ankle irritation. We didn't want this irration to flair up his achilles which are fine. So he'll be off for 10 days to remove the irritation.
* Cotch is a measured process. Fully trains Monday and Friday. Take our time with him given how important he is to our future.
* Fair point about turnovers. If you look at the stats it's more about decisioon making. It's about making better deicsions. So kicking is a high priority. everyone we drafted this year is a good kick.
* KB mentioned that players improve when they are put under pressure at training so they get use to it. Hardwick said his brief to Craig Cameron is training will be game-based. You may lose a soldier but we need to put our guys under game conditions. We do that every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
* Tuck is tracking along well. He needs to work on defensive issues but a lot of our guys need to do that as well.
* Jack has a key forward physique, Morton more up the field. With Polly going so well, Astbury and Taylor also to be used up forward.
* Taylor - enormous future. we all make mistakes and Taylor understands that and that there are consequences.
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Emails:
Post and Vickery as forwards.
Haven't earmarked either for the role. Post groomed as a backman. Reads the ball well. Vickery is a ruckman first and foremost.
McMahons role.
Across the wing and midfield. Good kick inside 50. Hard to say who is in the best 22 at this stage.
Richo
Didn't expect the retirement, but got wind something wasn't right. Brown and Bowden going was the right decision.
GC17 and GWS
Outstanding job by the three recruiters, have to earn their money in the next few years to find talent. Revamped our staff, full-time weights coach for the first time ever.
What were we looking for in the draft
#3 best available. Only missed out on one of our targetted players in the draft.
Indigenous players
Alroy come on in leaps and bounds, larrikan now, Relton has a little way to go, Troy Taylor used to go and watch him for the NT Thunder.
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Responses to emails.....
* Post and Vickery won't be forwards at this stage. Post will pinch hit up forward but at this stage we'll have him down back as he is a good kick and reads the play well. We see Vickery as a ruck first and foremost.
* Our key forwards will be Polly, Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt at this stage.
* Jordie - wing/midfield. We feel he is a good kick inside 50 for us. Hard to tell at this stage who our best 22 is. Sorted out more next Friday at the intra-club.
* Sad about Richo. He would have loved to have coached him.
* If we had known about Richo would we have kept a Bowden or Cogs? No we had to move forward.
* New two teams will make thigns tougher but the club in their wisdom added 3 new recruiters last year. They need to earn their keep and we've back them in to find the players we need.
* TPP back to 92.5% and money put into off-field footy department - new coaches, develoment coaches - 6 full-time staff. Development is key for us so we needed to get this up and running from word go.
* Sat down at match commitee we went through what we needs. Best available at first 3 picks then went for need. We got everyone we were after bar one.
* Gilligan - HF/HB. Come on leaps on bounds. 12 months ago hardly spoke but now won't shut up at team meetings.
* Roberts - got a way to go but is an exciting player.
* If we can get all our members to jump on board it'll be great - 1300 Richmond
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Good stuff wayne :cheers. I think we got it all :thumbsup
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Great reports Thankyou ;D ;D
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Would like to know who the one player we missed out on was
Thinking it was either Tapscott or Kennedy
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Well done one-eyed and wayne! Terrific posts :cheers :thumbsup
I'm impressed by Hardwick. Not media savvy at all but knows his footy and is uncompromising in his plan and belief. I think we will have a hard year win-loss wise but to see players such as Martin, Griffiths, Astbury, Post, Vickery, Cotchin and company play consistent fottball together and give us an insight into the future will be exciting.
Stripes
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Well there you go, laying low was the plan and Vickery is a Ruckman first and for most..... :whistle
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You would think Martin and Griffiths were on our radar with our first two picks. I'm guessing the player missed was probably around our mid-late picks.
A pretty good interview from Hardwick all up. He's trying to keep expectations low saying this year is all about development and without saying so didn't disagree when KB said finals is out of the question.
Glad to hear he's going to back the cubs and debut a lot of them. He seems to have plenty of faith in Astbury and Griffiths this year to mention them a couple times as our key forward options.
Not surprised but still it's incredible to hear we now have a full-time weights coach for the first time ever. Just shows we were still under-resourced even up to last year.
Good to hear we're at the minimum TPP and the savings ploughed into development. With a few older players still to get the stuff at the end of the year we should have plenty of salary cap room. Obviously Hardwick's put the heat on Connors, Polo and Hislop to show why they should be kept.
Btw Hardwick loves using the catchphrase "going forward" doesn't he ;D
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Btw Hardwick loves using the catchphrase "going forward" doesn't he ;D
Yes well he sure wouldn't want to look backwards at the Tigers. Give the poor fella nightmares. Does he twitch everytime he says "going forward"? ;D
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hes trying to change the attitudes that exist in the supporters, the people who work at the club and the players. Its a good strategy.
11th premiership
going forward
sustained period of success
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He's trying to keep expectations low
That's some funny schit right there ......
He's a comedian to boot :rollin
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Here's the audio of Hardwick's interview with KB
http://111.223.226.5/node/3128 (http://111.223.226.5/node/3128)
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Not surprised but still it's incredible to hear we now have a full-time weights coach for the first time ever. Just shows we were still under-resourced even up to last year.
pretty clear on the results of that to looking at pics of Moore and Rance..
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
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Listening to Dimma :sleep
Couldn't give a scheizen if he gets the results though.
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Listening to Dimma :sleep
Couldn't give a scheizen if he gets the results though.
I have noticed that a coaches media personality develops when they start winning... He has a bit of substance & spine about him i reckon, so im sure he will become interesting enough in post game interviews etc.
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Really good interview and thanks for posting it up OE. Seems like we finally have a team working towards and outcome, thought he spoke very well, honest and to the point.
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
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Responses to emails.....
* Our key forwards will be Polly, Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt at this stage.
Gee our opponents will be shaking in their boots over that list ::)
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Responses to emails.....
* Our key forwards will be Polly, Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt at this stage.
Gee our opponents will be shaking in their boots over that list ::)
at least they are young
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Responses to emails.....
* Our key forwards will be Polly, Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt at this stage.
Gee our opponents will be shaking in their boots over that list ::)
it really doesnt matter what our opponents think at this stage. as long as they are forced to take notice in 3 yrs time.
without doubt imo we are two young kpfs short on the list. we sure as hell could do with an experienced one of quality as well.
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
Sheesh i know a few people who would have been jumping if we took Griffiths over Tapscott.Including me.
As it was i wanted Bastinac at 19. Even though ive been screaming for us to take talls. i think damien wrong when he says we took best available with our first 3 picks especially with Griffiths.
The bulldogs player you mention was Howard. There was a few who were not surprised with his selection at 15. Must admit i wasnt one of them.
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Listening to Dimma :sleep
Couldn't give a scheizen if he gets the results though.
Would you prefer to listen to a spin doctor like T Wallet? Hardwick says what he has to say and no more. I like that :thumbsup
An interesting interview and a bit of insight into the mindset at richmond now
Claw, whats this thing you have about KPFs ? How many do you think should be on the list?
Responses to emails.....
* Our key forwards will be Polly, Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt at this stage.
Gee our opponents will be shaking in their boots over that list ::)
Who cares what our opponents think? The greatest mistake you can make in a battle is to underestimate your enemy. Frawley was obsessed with gaining respect, the king of spuds.
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
Sheesh i know a few people who would have been jumping if we took Griffiths over Tapscott.Including me.
As it was i wanted Bastinac at 19. Even though ive been screaming for us to take talls. i think damien wrong when he says we took best available with our first 3 picks especially with Griffiths.
The bulldogs player you mention was Howard. There was a few who were not surprised with his selection at 15. Must admit i wasnt one of them.
Blaisse, he said at 3 they took best available, not first 3
After Martin all other picks were on needs, according to that interview
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Listening to Dimma :sleep
Couldn't give a scheizen if he gets the results though.
Would you prefer to listen to a spin doctor like T Wallet? Hardwick says what he has to say and no more. I like that :thumbsup
An interesting interview and a bit of insight into the mindset at richmond now
Claw, whats this thing you have about KPFs ? How many do you think should be on the list.
hmm a minimum of 6 tall forwards and when building maybe more or as many as it takes.
what do we have.
polak its only my opinion but not good enough we need to upgrade.
riewoldt - should be a decent player but still to properly establish himself.
astbury - development player may or may not make it.
Griffiths - same as Astbury.
Westhoff - rookie player long term prospect may or may not make it.
gourdis - rookie listed very poor skills is already on thin ice.
i suppose thats 6. but not one established player among them though jack is close. how many will make it well polak and gourdis are in the gun already. and if one or two of the others fail which is on the cards because you just dont get every pick right where are we.
look we are in rebuild. you load up when rebuilding. you find 3 or 4 who you know will establish themselves as players you then get a couple of real promising prospects like griffiths astbury into your system. with luck in time you are in a position to trade the lesser rated talls for valuable picks.
anyway thats my thinking on it.
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If we finish last we end up with pick 4 and that puts us in a decent position to get another decent forward. Jack Darling will go high but he was only around 191cm at the championships. Sam Day is a really interesting prospect. There will be other KPF that will come into calculations as well.
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
Sheesh i know a few people who would have been jumping if we took Griffiths over Tapscott.Including me.
As it was i wanted Bastinac at 19. Even though ive been screaming for us to take talls. i think damien wrong when he says we took best available with our first 3 picks especially with Griffiths.
The bulldogs player you mention was Howard. There was a few who were not surprised with his selection at 15. Must admit i wasnt one of them.
Blaisse, he said at 3 they took best available, not first 3
After Martin all other picks were on needs, according to that interview
just went back and had a look and yep i agree. he said we took best available at 3 and looked to needs from there on in. i suppose we addressed needs no matter who we took there was so many holes in the list.
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They took the best available players that could kick and hit targets regularly, perhaps some of these players that have been mentioned that went earlier in the draft did not fit that bill. Thats why people we did not take old mate (cant even remember his name) because his kicking was not consistant. But because he is a KPP we should have selected him over Martin who just happens to be a dead eye kick on both sides........ PLEASE!!
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They took the best available players that could kick and hit targets regularly, perhaps some of these players that have been mentioned that went earlier in the draft did not fit that bill. Thats why people we did not take old mate (cant even remember his name) because his kicking was not consistant. But because he is a KPP we should have selected him over Martin who just happens to be a dead eye kick on both sides........ PLEASE!!
Butcher
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They took the best available players that could kick and hit targets regularly, perhaps some of these players that have been mentioned that went earlier in the draft did not fit that bill. Thats why people we did not take old mate (cant even remember his name) because his kicking was not consistant. But because he is a KPP we should have selected him over Martin who just happens to be a dead eye kick on both sides........ PLEASE!!
Butcher
Thats the guy..... :thumbsup
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* Fair point about turnovers. If you look at the stats it's more about decisioon making. It's about making better deicsions. So kicking is a high priority. everyone we drafted this year is a good kick.
Our decision making has been poor but we also have had too many players who simply are either poor kicks or their kicking technique isn't tight and reliable enough to hold up under game pressure when fast decision making and execution is required.
* KB mentioned that players improve when they are put under pressure at training so they get use to it. Hardwick said his brief to Craig Cameron is training will be game-based. You may lose a soldier but we need to put our guys under game conditions. We do that every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
As the old saying goes play as you train and train as you play.
Wallace promised game-based training as well when he started but pretty much wasn't hands on. It's good that Hardwick has umpired some of these scratch matches so far. He can continually watch and talk to players while doing it. Malthouse does the same at Collingwood training. The test for Hardwick is the training needs to be at game speed at high intensity and pressure with players being continually educated - positive play in sync with the gameplan reinforced and drilled while negative play/mistakes are pulled up and players made to do again what they did wrong until they don't make mistakes. Build confidence and belief for the real stuff. I hope Hardwick is also educating them on basic game strategy. We seemed often to be totally oblivious to straightforward tactics such as switches of play and hitting lead up targets running into space :P.
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Listening to Dimma :sleep
Couldn't give a scheizen if he gets the results though.
Would you prefer to listen to a spin doctor like T Wallet? Hardwick says what he has to say and no more. I like that :thumbsup
In an ideal world, I would rather listen to a coach who doesn't use cliches like 'going forwards' and doesn't start every reply with 'Look, ...'
But I don't really care as long as he gets the results.
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
Sheesh i know a few people who would have been jumping if we took Griffiths over Tapscott.Including me.
As it was i wanted Bastinac at 19. Even though ive been screaming for us to take talls. i think damien wrong when he says we took best available with our first 3 picks especially with Griffiths.
The bulldogs player you mention was Howard. There was a few who were not surprised with his selection at 15. Must admit i wasnt one of them.
yes howard was the boys name,he is the one they wanted at 44
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Speaks well and precisely.
Gives the answer he is supposed to give and does not go off on unrelated tangents to give a perception that he is intelligent.
Once the season starts will have the guile to bluff the media and keep the opposition guessing.
Has a great hands on approach and hopefully the plan he has spoken about will reap rewards in the future.
Just refreshing to hear the truth instead of spindoctoring and utter garbage to belied a team that was 1-8 after 9 rounds last year to give an example.
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Listening to Dimma :sleep
Couldn't give a scheizen if he gets the results though.
Would you prefer to listen to a spin doctor like T Wallet? Hardwick says what he has to say and no more. I like that :thumbsup
In an ideal world, I would rather listen to a coach who doesn't use cliches like 'going forwards' and doesn't start every reply with 'Look, ...'
But I don't really care as long as he gets the results.
in a way i cant hear it enough. why because we all know what we do now and next yr is aimed at 3 4 yrs time we are indeed greatly looking forward. wallace and the club on the other hand well as far as they looked forward was next week. hence the great need for long term vision now.
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A fantastic summary, thanks Wayne and One Eyed. Good insight into the pre season. Good luck to the coach and players, they'll need it. I'm not so sure hardwick will be as articulate at those post match pressers when we have been nailed by the Cats or Crows or Saints. I mean how many times can you say "We're not taking short cuts?"
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
Sheesh i know a few people who would have been jumping if we took Griffiths over Tapscott.Including me.
As it was i wanted Bastinac at 19. Even though ive been screaming for us to take talls. i think damien wrong when he says we took best available with our first 3 picks especially with Griffiths.
The bulldogs player you mention was Howard. There was a few who were not surprised with his selection at 15. Must admit i wasnt one of them.
If Big Ben turns into Tony Lockett the 2nd comming will you will be jumping ?
You cannot whinge on one hand we have sod all KPP youth on the list and then say u did not want Griffs
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pretty certain Dea was a target.just not sure weather we wanted him at pick 44.
people i trust say we were very keen on him. in fact wasnt there an article about jackson going crook because he got u 18 games late in the season and went alright. i believe we had a player pencilled in at 44 but got wind brisbane were takeing Dea at 47 and the rest is history.
clearly martin was a target as was griffiths who trained with us. i know jackson liked tapscott a lot so did a lot of people. thing is if tapscott was there at 19 it means we were prepared to miss on griffiths.
personally i rated 3 mids in front of griffiths and both talls carlisle and black. but i have had to admit i havent seen a lot of any of the kids this yr and my opinion is not informed.
im a bit wary on us looking after needs after our first 3 picks as well. should have taken another couple of talls a ruckman and another kpp would have done.
claw you are right on most points, but I know for a fact that jackson would of taken griffiths ahead of tapscott if they were both available. The tiger medicos sat in on griffiths surgery, before the draft .
The player they wanted at 44 was the young kid the buldogs snared at 15, the bolter, forget his name.
Sheesh i know a few people who would have been jumping if we took Griffiths over Tapscott.Including me.
As it was i wanted Bastinac at 19. Even though ive been screaming for us to take talls. i think damien wrong when he says we took best available with our first 3 picks especially with Griffiths.
The bulldogs player you mention was Howard. There was a few who were not surprised with his selection at 15. Must admit i wasnt one of them.
If Big Ben turns into Tony Lockett the 2nd comming will you will be jumping ?
You cannot whinge on one hand we have sod all KPP youth on the list and then say u did not want Griffs
why the hell not.
from a personal point why would i take griffiths at pick 19 who i have doubts about. and not one of three mids who i think potential A graders. plus i rated both carlisle and black better tall options.
in the nd i would have went: 3 moraboto, i went mora because id seen a bit of him it was a toss up between him and martin. more than happy with martin
.bastinac because i thought him a potential A grader and best available. not as if we loaded up with genuine mids or we dont need em either.
35 houghton a tall from over here who i had seen a bit of. i also had astbury in a group of 3 talls here. happy to get astbury a bit like i was happy to get martin.
44 shaw a skinny running tall plays h/b and wing who in time could play kp imo.a true athlete with really good pace for his height exceptional in fact. smarts and skills are okay as well. he was one of the three i had at 35.
51 taylor easily the most talented player available at 51. worth taking the obvious risk associated with him at this pick.
67 grimes we took him psd i would have taken him here.was very tempted to nominate duryea here.
71 hmm will have to go look it up.hartigan i think another tall. dont think he got drafted at all.
psd 2 bradshaw.yep a 30 yr old. why mainly for his quality and experience,(what other real reasons do we need) and the fact we dont have didnt have a genuine ff.
in taking griffiths i reckon its even more important we took someone like bradshaw. a bit like cousins with the mids, well bradshaw is the same but with the forwards. i only came to this conclusion after richo retired as richo was the experienced kpf we needed.
as you can see it was very easy to ignore griffiths at 19 and still cater to tall needs. im pretty convinced this nearly happened with tapscott getting to pick 18. if he lasted one more pick i reckon we would have taken him.
and let me say im pleased we took griffiths or a tall at 19. one can see where they have come from and fully understand the reasoning, it could well be they rated griffiths best available at 19.
personally i dont think we took the best tall available or for that matter the best available here.im pretty sure bastinac will be a very good player i cant say that about griffiths.
to finish i really think both webberley and nason were so far under the radar we could have picked them both up in the rookie draft. by the way my first rookie preference was majak daw another tall.
anyway its all done and dusted the proof will be in the pudding, i have everything crossed in hoping they got the griffiths pick right because they over looked some real talent to take him.
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psd 2 bradshaw.yep a 30 yr old. why mainly for his quality and experience,(what other real reasons do we need) and the fact we dont have didnt have a genuine ff.
in taking griffiths i reckon its even more important we took someone like bradshaw. a bit like cousins with the mids, well bradshaw is the same but with the forwards. i only came to this conclusion after richo retired as richo was the experienced kpf we needed.
Bradshaw nominated a 3 year deal on pretty big money. He's already 31 years old, massive risk.
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Bradshaw would have been a great get IMO.
Infamy coping ok after Dimma saying Post is a backman ??
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Post is a forward!
:)
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I'm sort of staggering around with that too...I fancied Post as a big hangar taking forward, but I can see where he is coming from as a backman too.
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psd 2 bradshaw.yep a 30 yr old. why mainly for his quality and experience,(what other real reasons do we need) and the fact we dont have didnt have a genuine ff.
in taking griffiths i reckon its even more important we took someone like bradshaw. a bit like cousins with the mids, well bradshaw is the same but with the forwards. i only came to this conclusion after richo retired as richo was the experienced kpf we needed.
Bradshaw nominated a 3 year deal on pretty big money. He's already 31 years old, massive risk.
oh cmon hes a ff and one of the better ones in the comp.a 70+ goal kicker a yr as such hes worth the 500k a yr he wants. with our lack of quality talls and established talls he was a perfect short term fit. our young kpfs had plenty to learn of this bloke and he would have taken some heat of them.
imo money doesnt come into it we will struggle to get to the 92.5% minimum of tpp anyway.
the only way he would be a risk is if injury occured. and if its money your worried about you have an
injury clause pay out figure written into his contract.
finally he would have been cheap a psd pick for christs sake. and to top it all off its not as if we were foregoing kids to get him. we had how many nd and rookie picks again.
its funny we kept polak to do exactly what we could have done with bradshaw albeit cheaper. now tell me theres no risk in keeping polak. of the two i know who id want in my side even if it was only for a yr or two.
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claw -
IMO Griffiths was a important get for us @ 19 because;
we f*cked our self in the ass by McMahon beating Melbourne. We gave them the first two picks in the draft where we needed to set our self up as much as we could for the next 20 years without allowing other teams to rebuild like Melbourne have done via Scully / Tgrove.
Big Ben, some say could have been a top 5 draft pick if he was not hurt during the last 12 months.
We needed this 'wildcard' to try and give our self best chance of breaking even.
We have missed for many key / power forward in the last 5 or so years; Hawkins, Roughead, Mitch Clark etc. We dearly lack a proper full forward so I hope that Ben is the missing link.
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claw -
We dearly lack a proper full forward so I hope that Ben is the missing link.
So do geelong.
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Hawkins had a decent grand final.
Mooney is decent.
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Hawkins had a fair grand final, but overall is still inconsitent and his kicking for goal is a huge problem. He may develop into a 'proper' forward but is not there yet.
Mooney hasn't shown any consistent form for 2 or 3 years now, often looking totally disinterested.
Geelong's success has come without any true dominant forward, but more a brigade of quality running mid sized players, most of whom also kick goals themselves.
Top line forwards are merely the icing on the cake to sides that have a good midfield. I cant ever recall seeing a premiership won by a side with a poor midfield and 1 or 2 top class forwards.
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Hawkins had a fair grand final, but overall is still inconsitent and his kicking for goal is a huge problem. He may develop into a 'proper' forward but is not there yet.
He's still very young in kpp terms, shouldn't be expected to be there yet