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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: yellowandback on January 24, 2010, 10:17:39 AM

Title: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: yellowandback on January 24, 2010, 10:17:39 AM
I have always put a low value on any membership benefit outside of free entry to the game. At a club like Richmond, the key other benefit should be on field success not free caps, stickers, scarfs or lanyard.
It may seem small but consider what this crap costs the club - say it is $10-15 per member, that $300-450k on a base of 30k of members.
The last thing members should expect or want are crappy souvenirs or badges of loyalty. Put that into improved support for players.
And if members feel ripped off by not getting a cap how the eff do they feel when they walk away at the end of round 1 most years.
Priorities people!
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Ramps on January 24, 2010, 10:59:06 AM
I agree 100%

Only the kids membership should have the souvenirs.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Jacosh on January 24, 2010, 11:52:32 AM
I agree 95%. I actually like the sticker, just something to put on the car to advertise you are a member.
Stickers are such a small cost that it would keep members happy as well as being a minimal outlay.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: WilliamPowell on January 24, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
It may seem small but consider what this crap costs the club - say it is $10-15 per member,

What if it's less than $10 per member

Because I reckon it is less than $10 a member  ;D
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: bojangles17 on January 24, 2010, 12:22:48 PM
caps not necessary, the recognition is the important factor...25 yr + members should have their names engraved on pavers surrounding Punt rd to mark their lifetime contribution in perpetuity :shh :gotigers :shh
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: yellowandback on January 24, 2010, 01:43:46 PM
It may seem small but consider what this crap costs the club - say it is $10-15 per member,

What if it's less than $10 per member

Because I reckon it is less than $10 a member  ;D

A saving of $5 is still $150k, that's the same as having an extra 1500 members.
I'm sure that would help get equipment such as gps devices to track player training intensity.  Club could even explain where the money has been re- directed to help us see the benefit.

Gps>>>>>>>>>>>>>crappy caps
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: jackstar is back again on January 24, 2010, 09:56:35 PM
It may seem small but consider what this crap costs the club - say it is $10-15 per member,

What if it's less than $10 per member

Because I reckon it is less than $10 a member  ;D

 A mate was selling caps to the AFLs clubs and other sporting groups ( Moonee Valley , MCC etc )
Cost of caps is about $4.00 .  What the happens is the clubs sponsors  then  sponsor the caps eg pays money for advertising etc on the cap.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: richmondrules on January 25, 2010, 07:22:14 AM
It's all just part of running a football club. As Jackstar says it's a lot to do with sponsors.

I don't believe the provision of stickers, caps and scarves to members has much to do with our current problems. Focusing on this is distracting from where the real work needs to be done.

A football club is a brand and it needs to be well known to attract money from corporate sources. The more well known our brand is the more attractive we are to people like idiot Smith and Luxbet. Caps, stickers and scarves are a relatively cheap way to increase the clubs exposure.

I was wearing my cap yesterday resplendent in its corporate advertising. I did a bit of shopping at chaddy so there will have been a few thousand people who would have seen my cap. Most would not have taken much notice but idiot Smith will have been read by a fair few without them even realising re-enforcing Tricky Dicky as a well known brand. Next time they are looking for electrical gear idiot Smith may well be one of the companies that spring to mind.

There's an old saying, you have to spend money to make money. This seems to be a reasonable expense.

If your worried about the money they are spending on this then wear the cap more often and put the sticker on your car, make the expense worth while.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: WilliamPowell on January 25, 2010, 09:05:44 AM
A mate was selling caps to the AFLs clubs and other sporting groups ( Moonee Valley , MCC etc )
Cost of caps is about $4.00 .  What the happens is the clubs sponsors  then  sponsor the caps eg pays money for advertising etc on the cap.

Correct  ;) :thumbsup
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Ramps on January 25, 2010, 09:27:47 AM
What about the lanyards or the deck of cards or the key rings etc. I dont recall seeing sponsors logos on that stuff and to be honest that stuff sux and is unnecessary.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: richmondrules on January 25, 2010, 10:04:38 AM
What about the lanyards or the deck of cards or the key rings etc. I dont recall seeing sponsors logos on that stuff and to be honest that stuff sux and is unnecessary.

I suppose they are supposed to make the members feel good. Looks like it didn't work for you. ;D
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: yellowandback on January 25, 2010, 10:42:09 AM
A mate was selling caps to the AFLs clubs and other sporting groups ( Moonee Valley , MCC etc )
Cost of caps is about $4.00 .  What the happens is the clubs sponsors  then  sponsor the caps eg pays money for advertising etc on the cap.

Correct  ;) :thumbsup

$120k seems like a huge amount of money to effectively billboard 30000 caps.
You can take out a full page ad in national dailies for the same amount.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Danog on January 25, 2010, 12:00:10 PM
I'm not sure what part of "sponsor on the caps" is hard to understand.  We get some of that $4.00 per cap back in the means of advertising money.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: WilliamPowell on January 25, 2010, 12:15:07 PM
What about the lanyards or the deck of cards or the key rings etc. I dont recall seeing sponsors logos on that stuff and to be honest that stuff sux and is unnecessary.

Are you talking about the category that used to be call "on the bench" what is it now "Tiger Insider".... they get stuff like playing cards. this year they are getting a pen, desk calendar and Thermos Mug (all branded). Surely they are handing over around $80 they have to get something.

Lanyards cost peanuts to produce (lucky if they costs $0.20 each). Have to remember the more you make the cheaper they are  :thumbsup

Bottom line is sponsors want exposure - every week on the TV people in caps give sponsors massive exposure... that's why clubs do it.. that's why sponsors want it. Having those caps out there could be the difference between a sponsors handing over $1 mil a year to say $800k-$850k a year. I know which I'd prefer. When it comes to the caps - the sponsors hand over for the embroidery of THEIR logo not the entire cap

Also, any club would be making a profit on every membership sold so even if it costs $20 per member for the stuff you get then they are still making over a $100 profit per member. Profit per member is the key here not cost per member ;D
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: tiga on January 25, 2010, 12:39:59 PM
They might seem insignificant to some but I actually look forward to my little bits and pieces that come with my on the bench/tiger insider memberships. We get stuff all else Tiger related up here in NSW so I think they are well worthwhile. 

Anyway, Money doesn't buy you premierships. Just ask Carlton.  :lol
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: wayne again on January 25, 2010, 01:30:38 PM
They give you the caps so you have something to hide under after half time. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Ox on January 25, 2010, 01:34:32 PM
It depends what it's a cap of..........!!
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Beren on January 25, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
I just want the footy to start.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: jackstar is back again on January 25, 2010, 10:53:06 PM
Might just say that the "'tiger towels "' were sourced out of India .
By who ??? MMMMMMMMMMMMMM   An ex Tiger employee. First initial G.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: WilliamPowell on January 25, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
Might just say that the "'tiger towels "' were sourced out of India .
By who ??? MMMMMMMMMMMMMM   An ex Tiger employee. First initial G.


Let go of the past jack and move on - sorry but a pointless post

All the members caps have come from overseas so it's not like the towels were an exception

Most things are sadly sourced from overseas. Just look at those hideous Aust Day hats the HUN gave away on Saturday = MADE IN CHINA  :banghead
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Ox on January 26, 2010, 12:02:05 AM
Maybe the club should issue Flags instead of Caps.
stuff knows if any of us will ever see one otherwise.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: yellowandback on January 26, 2010, 07:03:48 AM
Maybe the club should issue Flags instead of Caps.
eff knows if any of us will ever see one otherwise.

so they won't need to issue spoons?????!
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: mightytiges on January 26, 2010, 01:38:00 PM
I would've preferred a new cap this year than another scarf.
Title: Re: I don't want a cap, I want a bloody flag
Post by: Ramps on January 26, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
 :gotigers