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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 13, 2010, 05:32:07 AM
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It was mentioned by Bruce on Ch 7's coverage last night that there's rumours circling that 6 out of 9 players Gold Coast have been chasing have committed to the new club. On main Bigfooty's main board Cotchin's name was mentioned although that probably means he's staying lol.
This was added by Tiger666 on the Richmond BF board:
"I went to this community camp dinner in the Northern Rivers NSW, [Guy] McKenna did indeed refer to Cotchin and Ablett being 2 of the players they were after, but not that any contracts had been signed.
I made sure to tell McKenna afterwards that I heard Cotchin's no good, leave him with the Tigers. Not sure if he believed me."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16866729&postcount=7
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Lets hope he's gullible. You did say it with a straight face didn't you :|
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Well in all honesty and I really hate to say this and thought I never would but if and and know it's rumors and what ever but... If Cotchin does go I would seriously consider giving AFL away. Really, the RFC has stuck fat with him and if that happens the game is no longer a game it's about the money. If Ablett leaves Geelong I could understand that because they have tasted glory 2 out of the last 3 years. We are building with players like Cotch and for him to leave would set us back.......I don't think we will get there again in my life time.
Like I said in another thread I don't think this priority pick system for new teams is fair, it actually sets new teams up to build Super Teams and that is wrong IMO.
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Well in all honesty and I really hate to say this and thought I never would but if and and know it's rumors and what ever but... If Cotchin does go I would seriously consider giving AFL away. Really, the RFC has stuck fat with him and if that happens the game is no longer a game it's about the money. If Ablett leaves Geelong I could understand that because they have tasted glory 2 out of the last 3 years. We are building with players like Cotch and for him to leave would set us back.......I don't think we will get there again in my life time.
Like I said in another thread I don't think this priority pick system for new teams is fair, it actually sets new teams up to build Super Teams and that is wrong IMO.
If Wallace was still coaching I reckon he would have left, that we have a new coach, a new policy of bringing in young players like Dutin Martin, I think Cotchin will stay. He will be well rewarded by staying financially and he wont want to leave his family IMHO.
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Well in all honesty and I really hate to say this and thought I never would but if and and know it's rumors and what ever but... If Cotchin does go I would seriously consider giving AFL away. Really, the RFC has stuck fat with him and if that happens the game is no longer a game it's about the money. If Ablett leaves Geelong I could understand that because they have tasted glory 2 out of the last 3 years. We are building with players like Cotch and for him to leave would set us back.......I don't think we will get there again in my life time.
Like I said in another thread I don't think this priority pick system for new teams is fair, it actually sets new teams up to build Super Teams and that is wrong IMO.
If Wallace was still coaching I reckon he would have left, that we have a new coach, a new policy of bringing in young players like Dutin Martin, I think Cotchin will stay. He will be well rewarded by staying financially and he wont want to leave his family IMHO.
Thats what I am hoiping Ramps, loyalty would have to play a big part too IMO.
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We would be compensated with a pick by the GC from what I understand.
He was a pick two, has not shown that he is worth anything less than that, so if we did lose him (and I don't think we will) then we would receive a high pick in return.
The AFL has a say in the compensation pick (that would be my biggest concern), but we would not lose him for nothing.
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Back on the topic, I think that GC17 would be hard pressed to snare Cotchin but if they can tempt him, they can have him. The club is bigger than any individual player and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if it happens. Its happened before and it will happen again.
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Apparently the rumour originally came from Andy Maher ::) on SEN yesterday morning so that probably sums up how credible it is.
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I recall his family didnt want him to go to WC because of the culture, but mainly because the family wanted to be close to each other?????
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I don't think we can lose either way -either he goes and we get a top 3 pick and potentially lose an injury riddled player :-\ or we keep him, give him plenty of time to develop and have a star on our hands. He is just one player after all.
Stripes
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I recall his family didnt want him to go to WC because of the culture, but mainly because the family wanted to be close to each other?????
That's what I thought too. They were glad the first two picks were Victorian sides.
In any case anything said by Maher should be taken with a grain of salt especially when it comes to Richmond who he loves to have digs at while he praises his beloved Blues :chuck.
Hopefully we re-sign Cotch for 3 years and re-sign up any of our other young guns out of contract before the end of the season and keep the new teams' claws off Punt Rd. Probably only 5 of our uncontracted players at this stage we'd be keen not to lose.
Out of contract: Cotchin, Connors, Cousins, Edwards, King, Graham, Hislop, McMahon, Moore, Polo, Post, Riewoldt, Simmonds, Tambling, Thomson, Tuck, Vickery, White
Both new franchises (they aren't traditional clubs) will be starting from scratch in non-traditional footy regions away from family (except in Ablett's case) so the only attraction would be the cash. The only Tiger from the Gold Coast is McGaune and he's not in Cotch's class.
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I've typed this out from the hardcopy version of the Herald-Sun as it isn't on the web....
Cotchin a GC target
By Jay Clark
Sunday Herald-Sun
14 FEB 2010, Page S06
RICHMOND may have a fight on its hands to retain gun onballer Trent Cotchin.
It is understood the 20-year-old is a priority target for new club Gold Coast.
Third in the 2008 NAB Rising Star award, the classy Cotchin is out of contract at the end of the season.
Richmond football manager Craig Cameron said yesterday the club was ``absolutely'' confident of keeping the No.2 pick in the 2007 national draft.
Cotchin has stated publicly several times he is happy at Richmond.
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I don't think we can lose either way -either he goes and we get a top 3 pick and potentially lose an injury riddled player :-\ or we keep him, give him plenty of time to develop and have a star on our hands. He is just one player after all.
Stripes
lol
Cotchin is 19 years old. bit early to be dubbing him injury riddled. He is could be a superstar.
if we trade him for a pick #3 i will spew
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the way i see it we must keep
* Martin
* Cotchin
* Deledio
and a few talls who show promise Reiwoldt? Vickery?
if we do no have this to build around we are rooted
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the way i see it we must keep
* Martin
* Cotchin
* Deledio
Yep the only way I will be able to watch the pain this year knowing that these three will be our star midfield in 2-3 years. Pray that Cuz stays injury free and shows them what a real footballer is.
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It is understood the 20-year-old is a priority target for new club Gold Coast.
Bet his source is Big Footy.
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I know it's a blow to every team in the competition to lose a star or promising youngster, but the AFL should really discourage GC17 from raiding teams that have struggled for years ie. Melbourne, Fremantle and Richmond.
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seen the Gold Coast training last month when on recent holidays at Broadbeach.
Can tell you there current squad has some extremely biggger bodied players.
There werent aint skinny lightweights,
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none at all?
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none at all?
Nope,
they are came down to the beach after training every day..
They have done plenty of work
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cotchin is a sublime footballer, but his body has questionmarks, gold coasts interest puts the tigers in a very prickly position, he is probably worth 250-300k on what he has done so far and his body concerns. GC are offering 500k plus, and a long term deal. Not sure if the tiges should match it. The worse thing we can do is offer someone big bucks on a long term deal that cant get on the field. Watch this space.
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offer him 350 and if he goes he goes. we'll get some good compo anyway.
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Isn't it funny Jack when you talk "big bodies" like it is critical to success...then you look at Hawthorn on Sat night and they are leaner & lighter. Buddy, Hodge and Lewis especially.
Seems to me that there is now a trend towards players being less top heavy to increase speed and agility to evolve with the game as it gets quicker.
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Cotchin will not leave Richmond!
:)
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Well they are up to something..... they are building THE SUPER TEAM... :help
Essendon star Michael Hurley and Hawthorn hero Campbell Brown linked to Gold Coast
Mike Sheahan
Herald Sun
February 17, 2010
GOLD Coast is supremely confident it will land eight to 10 prime uncontracted players, with emerging Essendon star Michael Hurley and Hawthorn premiership hero Campbell Brown the latest names linked to the new club.
Hurley is on the Gold Coast's hit list and would almost certainly become the richest 20-year-old in the game if lured north. Brown is another player in Gold Coast's sights, with the football industry buzzing with speculation he has already agreed to move.
Brown's father Mal yesterday denied the defender had already signed, but confirmed: "They (Gold Coast) have shown an interest."
It is believed Gold Coast used a window of opportunity between the end of the 2009 season and the December 15 pre-season draft to talk to players coming out of contract at the end of 2011.
Brown is understood to be one of the targets under the apparent loophole in the rules.
Hurley made a massive impact in his first 10 games last year and is out of contract at the end of this season.
Gold Coast, with an added $1 million under its salary cap, could dangle as much as $500,000 a year in front of Hurley.
But it may take an offer as long as five years to tempt Hurley, who is happy at Windy Hill.
Hurley is sitting out the Bombers' pre-season matches, a club-imposed sanction after an alleged altercation with a taxi driver in September resulted in him being charged with assault. He is due to appear in court on March 5.
The 19-year-old is headed for an enormous pay rise wherever he plays next season, given the inflationary pressure caused by Gold Coast's looming arrival in 2011.
Hurley, a key-position player capable of playing forward or in defence, is an ideal target for Gold Coast, intent on building a "spine" as quickly as possible.
Gold Coast list manager Scott Clayton yesterday refused to talk about specific players, including the progress of talks with No. 1 target Gary Ablett.
"We're about being truthful, but we're not going to give a running commentary," Clayton said.
"Whatever name you give to me, I'm not interested. I get asked every day. It doesn't help anyone."
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-star-michael-hurley-and-hawthorn-hero-campbell-brown-linked-to-gold-coast/story-e6frf9jf-1225831111021
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There's a loophole in the rule apparently that allowed GC17 to sign up contracted players at other clubs over the last trade and draft period.
There was that rumour that Carlton used this to sign up Judd a year before he crossed over and joined them.
Door left open for Gold Coast
Herald Sun February 17, 2010
AFL rules preclude Gold Coast from reaching any binding arrangement with current players during the 2010 season ... but that doesn't mean the fledgling club isn't already holding commitments.
As contradictory as it sounds, Gold Coast is understood to have exploited a previously unknown avenue of opportunity between seasons.
More precisely, between the end of the 2009 season and the 2010 pre-season draft (December 15 last year).
As best we understand it, the club grabbed the opportunity to swoop on contracted players for the 2011 season, even though those players had a year remaining on their contracts.
The rumour mill is pumping out messages that Gold Coast will recruit eight to 10 established players for its first year to inject experience and physical maturity to a list that will feature up to 30 of the country's outstanding juniors, and already has three tied up.
Full article at:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/door-left-open-for-gold-coast/story-e6frf9jf-1225831114726
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Caro says we've begun contract discussions with Cotch...
Rumours of secret deals
CAROLINE WILSON
February 17, 2010
THE Gold Coast has exposed a legal loophole in the AFL rules that allows players to sign secret deals.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou last night confirmed to The Age that a rugby league scenario now exists in Australian rules football whereby players such as Gary Ablett and Trent Cotchin could play for Geelong and Richmond respectively in 2010 while already contractually committed to the Gold Coast for 2011.
Campbell Brown, one of several players rumoured to have already signed with the new club, yesterday denied to the Hawks that he had a written deal with the Gold Coast.
Brown was just one of several players eyeballed yesterday by club officials in the belief they had not only been targeted but secretly signed to confidentiality agreements. Unconfirmed reports continued to sweep the industry that six players had been signed by the Gold Coast late last year between October 31 and the pre-season drafts.
Demetriou played down the rugby league link and insisted that all clubs had been aware of the rule put in place some five years ago in a bid to prevent players signing agreements with new clubs during seasons. Four clubs contacted by the AFL yesterday said they had no knowledge of the rule.
''The clubs have known about this,'' said Demetriou last night. ''We have a situation where a club has come in and is looking to sign uncontracted players. Everyone's been aware of the rule. I think everyone is aware that our culture is one that enables players to move via the draft in the trade period.''
Geelong, faced with losing the reigning Brownlow medallist and competition's best player Ablett at the end of 2010, last week attempted to clarify the rule with AFL official Ken Wood but still remained mystified as to whether Ablett could have legitimately already moved on from the Cats contractually beyond 2010. It is understood strict confidentiality has been in place for any contracts already signed.
The Gold Coast refused to comment on the rule yesterday but did not deny having already signed current AFL players. Western Sydney will be given a similar opportunity for a brief window between October 31 and the pre-season draft to sign footballers coming out of contract at the end of 2011.
Although only players coming out of contract at the end of this season can be targeted and only one per club, the Gold Coast has specified it expects to sign only eight to 10 of those players. Richmond is understood to have begun contract discussions with the promising young Cotchin, while Travis Cloke and Alan Didak (Collingwood) and Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead (Hawthorn) have also featured in industry rumours.
Although The Age has no proof players will compete for AFL clubs this season having already signed secret contracts with the Gold Coast it appears likely and staggering that the rule was already in place to allow it.
With a free agency agreement expected to be struck within a matter of days the game has clearly undergone a massive cultural shift.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/rumours-of-secret-deals-20100216-o8wz.html
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what a balls up. What the hell is that sawn of little maggot doing to the game? Signing with one club while still being contracted to another???
AS far as I'm concerned any player who signs with gold coast now can spend the season in the coburg reserves and the medical and conditioning staff can spend their time with players that want to stay the club, regardless off who they are
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he better not go ???
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offer him 350 and if he goes he goes. we'll get some good compo anyway.
if you consider a 2nd round pick good compo then yea
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Any player manager worth his salt would be leveraging the begeezus out of this situation. I wouldn't be surprised if all out of contract players of any quality are being touted as potential pickups and it will be up to the clubs to tell the difference between the poo and the soil.
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Brown was just one of several players eyeballed yesterday by club officials in the belief they had not only been targeted but secretly signed to confidentiality agreements.
This part is interesting. Could it be possible that even if sat down and asked face to face by their existing club, that the player in question cannot admit to signing because of the confidentiality agreement ??
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Brown was just one of several players eyeballed yesterday by club officials in the belief they had not only been targeted but secretly signed to confidentiality agreements.
This part is interesting. Could it be possible that even if sat down and asked face to face by their existing club, that the player in question cannot admit to signing because of the confidentiality agreement ??
I'm thinking that this is exactly what would happen.
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Where did my post go??? ???
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deledio will go there.
That way he can jak off over himself when he has a year round tan.
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If one had to go, who would you prefer for it to be:
Deledio or Cotchin or Martin???
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If one had to go, who would you prefer for it to be:
Deledio or Cotchin or Martin???
At the end of this year we will all say Deledio. Just you watch. Too Soft!!! He needs to shave his head for good (No more HOMO hair styles) and stop looking in the mirror at himself and harden the FK up!! He could be one of the clubs greats. I think he need that talk that Gary Ablett got from his team mates.
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the way i see it we must keep
* Martin
* Cotchin
* Deledio
and a few talls who show promise Reiwoldt? Vickery?
if we do no have this to build around we are rooted
If these 3 players go,WE are stuffed.
If the AFL lets this happen,I will be soo stuffing peeed off.
I reckon the AFL don't give a toss seeing as they are greedy pigs who drink from the trough.
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What happened to 10? protected players. Did that come about and if so you would have to think we had the option of changing from year to year given list changes.
You would also think that both Lids and Cotch and possibly Martin would be on our list of protected players.
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Don't forget that this type of reporting can be very destablising for supporters and even clubs.
Now the press know how easy it is to set off the richmond supporter base and we all know how they love to do it, it sells newspapers and gets talk back really flying.
Now with Campbell Brown remember how supposedly the Hawks hung him out to dry at trade time by supposedly telling Port that he was available this is a little bit of tit for tat, it's an acceptible truth considering what allegedly happened. This may cause a little disruption in the hawk camp which is probably the intention and no doubt if they make the finals will be bought up again. This type of caper i believe will be used through out the year to create controvesy and destabalisation through various clubs especially top eight clubs going into finals. The press are onto a good one here. but all the same it doesn't mean it is not real but, just be aware of the possibility of red herrings because there will be some.
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I will keep saying it though, I believe the favouritisim given to new clubs by the AFL is over the top and a joke. Even if 6-8 current champs including Ablett join the GC17 with the draft selections they will have and N Ablett there they wiil win a premiership beforeus. They will also be able to sustain a spot in the top 8 for many year ala, the Eagles, Crows, Swans and even Port to some degree.
I do think they should get concesions just not as many as they are getting.
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offer him 350 and if he goes he goes. we'll get some good compo anyway.
if you consider a 2nd round pick good compo then yea
Yep as the compo is based on years in the AFL, game played, B&Fs won, etc .... we would get ripped off big time if one of our young guns was poached.
Let's hope paying the 92.5% minimum of the salary cap as we are gives us some flexibility to ward off any of the new teams' offers. With more senior players most likely getting the chop at the end of the year we should be pushing it to just reach the minimum in total player payments. I'm hoping clubs on the 100% cap edge will be more vunerable to a raid than us. The new teams will also need a "name" player(s) to sell the clubs to new AFL markets. As much as we love Cotch and think he'll become a star, someone living in Sydney or on the Gold Coast would go "Cotchin who?".
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Yep as the compo is based on years in the AFL, game played, B&Fs won, etc .... we would get ripped off big time if one of our young guns was poached.
It's also based on the pick they were taken at and age.
A #2 pick who came 3rd in the rising star in his first year and played 25 games in his first 2 years averaging 17 disposals is enough to get you a top pick
Won't happen though so I don't see the point discussing it further
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I don't believe it will happen either but for the sake of the argument losing a player who was pick 2 even for a top 5 pick means at best we'd be getting a similar quality junior in return but two and half years behind in development. So it sets the existing club especially one rebuilding back.
The AFL desperately wants these new teams up and running successfully on-field a.s.a.p. in their new markets. The likelihood of fair compensation for an exisiting club isn't set in stone.
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Roos didn't hold back today on this ....
Paul Roos has called on the League and the AFL Players' Association to reveal the names of any players who have already signed with Gold Coast for 2011.
"My message is that if the AFL and the AFL Players' Association are saying that it's within the rules and there's nothing wrong with it, [then] come out and tell us who the players are," he said.
"If you're ashamed of it and you want to hide behind it, then obviously they think there's something wrong with it as well."
Having seen at close quarters the disharmony caused in the NRL when players announced mid-season that they would join an opposition club, Roos said the AFL should do everything possible to avoid that scenario.
Full article at:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89673/default.aspx
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Roos didn't hold back today on this ....
Paul Roos has called on the League and the AFL Players' Association to reveal the names of any players who have already signed with Gold Coast for 2011.
"My message is that if the AFL and the AFL Players' Association are saying that it's within the rules and there's nothing wrong with it, [then] come out and tell us who the players are," he said.
"If you're ashamed of it and you want to hide behind it, then obviously they think there's something wrong with it as well."
Having seen at close quarters the disharmony caused in the NRL when players announced mid-season that they would join an opposition club, Roos said the AFL should do everything possible to avoid that scenario.
Full article at:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89673/default.aspx
The changing of rugby players mid season is a disaster the AFL can do without. We should avoid it at all cost.
Fine change at the end of a season, but even then I'm not a fan of too much player movement. It destroys the whole loyalty thing and will also make the competition uneven. Footscray and the Dee's will suffer and quite possibly the tigers too.
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kudos to Paul Roos :clapping
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I don't believe it will happen either but for the sake of the argument losing a player who was pick 2 even for a top 5 pick means at best we'd be getting a similar quality junior in return but two and half years behind in development. So it sets the existing club especially one rebuilding back.
The AFL desperately wants these new teams up and running successfully on-field a.s.a.p. in their new markets. The likelihood of fair compensation for an exisiting club isn't set in stone.
They don't nominate the actual pick, they either give you a pick at the start of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc rounds
You just have to nominate in advance which year you use it
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Well done to Roo's, great to see, if the rest of the Coach's stood up and said the same and pressured the GC an AFL we just might be able to sort this crap out. Not sure if this season is going to be anything other than dominated by politics of this nature..... boring.
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Well said by Paul Roos.
If a player has committed to the Gold Coast surely someone even a family member would eventually blab. It's hard to keep things top secret in the AFL and especially so at Richmond.
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AND IT GETS BETTER......... ::)
Pick 26 for Gary Ablett?
* Mark Stevens
* Herald Sun
* February 19, 2010
GEELONG would have to accept a draft pick as low as 26 if it wanted immediate compensation for a successful Gold Coast raid on Gary Ablett.
If Ablett walks later this year, the Cats' compensatory pick in the 2010 national draft will have to be pushed back to the end of the first round.
With Gold Coast's raft of concession picks stretching the first round out to 25 picks, that leaves 26 as the magic number for a Ablett "freebie".
It is a scenario that will be difficult for Geelong fans to stomach, given the Brownlow medallist is clearly the competition's No. 1 player.
But the AFL's complex compensatory rules would also give the Cats a Plan B.
Geelong could decline to use the pick this year and store it away for use at any time in the following four years, potentially taking advantage of a better compensatory pick.
The Cats, believing they are still in the premiership window, could also trade pick 26 for a ready-made player.
The AFL's compensation formula, overseen by the AFL's salary-cap watchdog Ken Wood, will grade players at five different draft levels - first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round and third round.
Ablett, clearly, would be considered a premium first-round player.
But because the next two drafts will be compromised to allow birth to Gold Coast and Western Sydney, all elite "first-round" compensatory picks must be taken at the end of the first round in the 2010 and 2011 drafts to help give the new clubs a kick-start.
It means the Cats may have to be patient and wait to use their Ablett compensatory pick in 2012 or beyond when the drafts are freed up.
Under the rules, from 2012 all first-round compensatory picks can be taken immediately after a team's first pick.
If the Cats extraordinarily finished last in 2012, they would get pick No. 1 and then No. 2 for Ablett - as long as they flagged before the start of the season that would would use their compensatory pick.
Andrew Dillon, the AFL's general manager of legal and business affairs who has overseen the compensatory modelling, yesterday confirmed Wood would play the major role in rating players.
Wood will not subjectively rate players leaving for Gold Coast, but will rank them by factoring in salary, best-and-fairest finishes and original draft selection.
Dillon said Wood was charged with the responsibility as he was the only staffer with access to each club's salary list.
The AFL has already tested the formula, which is sure to be contentious, on 50 to 60 random players.
"We're pretty comfortable with the results it has shown," Dillon said.
There will be no option for clubs to appeal a player's rating under the formula.
"It's a pretty simple calculation. It will spit out what it spits out," Dillon said.
Clubs will inevitably complain that the compensation is not enough for losing players, but Dillon is confident it will be fair and equitable.
"I was part of the list establishment group way back when it started and I think the original proposal that was sent out to the groups in early 2008 didn't include compensation - that was something the clubs pushed for," Dillon said.
"I remember it being high on the list in West Coast's submission and for other clubs and I think it's a good thing to have.
"At least it provides something for a club that loses a player."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-26-for-gary-ablett/story-e6frf9jf-1225831972227
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So reading that article we could end up with a pick in the late 20's, 30's or even 40's for Cotchin should better players be available before him. Or, wait for the 2012/2013/14...... draft to get an earleir pick. This just keeps getting worse.
I don't think Cotchin will leave and we are working out his contract now but I would like to see it done and dusted before the season starts.
We don't really need this going on all year at our club at least.
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From 'rava' on BF...
all this talk opf cotchin leaving is absolute B****poo.
He has never wanted to leave victoria, and just bought a house in the northern suburbs where he is renting it out to my mate while he lives there as well. Speaking to him two days ago, he said its absolute garbage, and that he was told of the story in the age before the hawthorn game by richmond management. 100% he isnt leaving the club. He is also feeling pretty good with the body as well
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16912182&postcount=17
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great news on the Cotch if he is fair dinkum. On the Gold Coast / premiership package deal, what gets me is, what they are tallking aobut here is poaching out of contract players, these are people signing up up to GC without any compensation to their respective clubs, no trade or anything. This is just pillage by stealth. Every club should be demanding transparency on this, it is a bloody outrage, you can't have two sets of rules.
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Wood will not subjectively rate players leaving for Gold Coast, but will rank them by factoring in salary, best-and-fairest finishes and original draft selection.
Dillon said Wood was charged with the responsibility as he was the only staffer with access to each club's salary list.
WTF? For an action/issue that is likely to have a profound effect at a couple of clubs, surely there are checks and balances in place to make sure this guy gets it right!
Who minds the cops while the cops mind us????
And just to add my name to the Paul Roos fan club :thumbsup. The mid-season transfer action is a blight on rugby league - I would hate intensely to see it in our game.
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Great news if Cotch has said privately all this speculation is rubbish.
Even if Ablett did leave, Geelong would be stupid to use their compensation pick this year. That's why the Herald-Sun has the overdramatic headline of pick 26. As Infamy said these compo picks can be used in either of the next 5 drafts. So Geelong would be better off waiting until after the compromised drafts had passed. By then most of their premiership stars will have retired and they'll drop down the ladder. If they do this smartly they could end up with two picks in the top 5 in say the 2013 draft (one normal early first rounder from finishing down the bottom plus the compo pick) and kick-start their next rebuild.
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According to Cotchin's manager via SEN, he isnt going anywhere and will be a Tiger for Life or for as long as Richmond want him.
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16915122&postcount=52
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Agree he wont be going anywhere. He doesn't want to go and we've invested alot and are about to see the rewards
And BTW you don't throw kids in the leadership group (Cotchin is there this year) if you think they are about to nick off ;D
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Reading the guidelines, wouldnt geelong get an even lower pick for ablett? Ok he is one of the best in the game now and his salary would acknowledge that but. He has only won their best and fairest twice and he was taken at pick 40 under the father son rule.
there are factors to be typed into a program and it spits out a number that cant be bargained for this could effectively work out in GC's favour not Geelongs.
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the chimp is staying put.
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Agree he wont be going anywhere. He doesn't want to go and we've invested alot and are about to see the rewards
And BTW you don't throw kids in the leadership group (Cotchin is there this year) if you think they are about to nick off ;D
In the senior leadership group WP?
Who else is in it this year under Newy and Foley?
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I don't know about u guys but i rekon richmond has a reputation for there players being loyal .. not like some other clubs *cough* Collingwood *cough*
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Reading the guidelines, wouldnt geelong get an even lower pick for ablett? Ok he is one of the best in the game now and his salary would acknowledge that but. He has only won their best and fairest twice and he was taken at pick 40 under the father son rule.
there are factors to be typed into a program and it spits out a number that cant be bargained for this could effectively work out in GC's favour not Geelongs.
It may be the salary they are getting paid at GC17 rather than the one they are getting now.
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Reading the guidelines, wouldnt geelong get an even lower pick for ablett? Ok he is one of the best in the game now and his salary would acknowledge that but. He has only won their best and fairest twice and he was taken at pick 40 under the father son rule.
there are factors to be typed into a program and it spits out a number that cant be bargained for this could effectively work out in GC's favour not Geelongs.
It may be the salary they are getting paid at GC17 rather than the one they are getting now.
Even worse for Geelong(which is a good thing lol). I cant see GC paying him as much as Geelong do. Not for the first 2 or 3 years as they try to steal as many stars as they can.
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In the senior leadership group WP?
Who else is in it this year under Newy and Foley?
Yes the main leadsheip group (he actually mentioned it in his press conference during the week :thumbsup)
Not sure of the entire group (it's a job for tomorrow ;D) but know that Newman, Foley, Deledio & Cotchin are there. Think Jackson is still there but don't know about the rest.
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I reckon we have jacked off enough over this non issue.
Fact is - if he goes,he's gone and all the BS talk over the internet will change stuff all.
As it stands.IDGAF who goes to GC.
As a result of this topic,im actually quite sick of Cotchin...and he's the one who has said nothing.
who cares.
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Reading the guidelines, wouldnt geelong get an even lower pick for ablett? Ok he is one of the best in the game now and his salary would acknowledge that but. He has only won their best and fairest twice and he was taken at pick 40 under the father son rule.
there are factors to be typed into a program and it spits out a number that cant be bargained for this could effectively work out in GC's favour not Geelongs.
It may be the salary they are getting paid at GC17 rather than the one they are getting now.
Even worse for Geelong(which is a good thing lol). I cant see GC paying him as much as Geelong do. Not for the first 2 or 3 years as they try to steal as many stars as they can.
Why else would he leave Geelong? You do know they are waving a $1.5 million dollar PER YEAR contract at him to try and get him to sign up?
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Reading the guidelines, wouldnt geelong get an even lower pick for ablett? Ok he is one of the best in the game now and his salary would acknowledge that but. He has only won their best and fairest twice and he was taken at pick 40 under the father son rule.
there are factors to be typed into a program and it spits out a number that cant be bargained for this could effectively work out in GC's favour not Geelongs.
It may be the salary they are getting paid at GC17 rather than the one they are getting now.
Even worse for Geelong(which is a good thing lol). I cant see GC paying him as much as Geelong do. Not for the first 2 or 3 years as they try to steal as many stars as they can.
Why else would he leave Geelong? You do know they are waving a $1.5 million dollar PER YEAR contract at him to try and get him to sign up?
I didnt realise it was that much.
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I reckon we have jacked off enough over this non issue.
Fact is - if he goes,he's gone and all the BS talk over the internet will change eff all.
As it stands.IDGAF who goes to GC.
As a result of this topic,im actually quite sick of Cotchin...and he's the one who has said nothing.
who cares.
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Lol - I put the last one in so ()()()() doesn't think I am just trying to pizz him off but eveyone can join in :rollin
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Interesting the change in his physique in a couple of years.
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the whole game/comp sucks really.
The umpiring has made it the most policed game in the world.
(so much for the "hard" element that set it apart from any international ball games)
poohouse management and a selfish,conservationist administration has put it on the endangered species list.
I hate to admit it but the game of Australian rules is a farce,not to mention the management.
Soccer or NRL ..... anyone?
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NFL is the most brutal. When you get hit you stay hit and you were protective equipment. AFL is what David Smorgon said it was in 1997. Glorified netball.
Thank you political correctness and soccer mums.
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NFL is the most brutal. When you get hit you stay hit and you were protective equipment. AFL is what David Smorgon said it was in 1997. Glorified netball.
Thank you political correctness and soccer mums.
Have to disagree there somewhat tucker.
Having played AFL, Gridiron, rugby union as well as field, roller and Ice hockey over the years. Although not at elite level in any of them close in hockey but no dice.
Ice hockey would be the most brutal followed by Rugby then Gridiron.
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NFL is the most brutal. When you get hit you stay hit and you were protective equipment. AFL is what David Smorgon said it was in 1997. Glorified netball.
Thank you political correctness and soccer mums.
Yet ask an NFL player about the game Ben Graham & Sav Rocca used to play and they'll tell you they're crazy for playing how they do without wearing pads.
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LMAO.
Get serious.
The game is comical.
Big men being disallowed to get within a certain distance of another in some attempt to feign an offside rule - haha.
I miss the days when taking a mark required skill AND strength.
It used to be accepted that part of the game was to be able to mark the ball and at the same time have the strength to fend off an opposition player.
Now we have all these ugly bogans with big physiques playing for the free and expecting them.
Deledio is a perfect example of a suck who will survive in the system without giving their all.
hate them all.
Wont be watcing this year i have decided.
LMAO @ U SAYING UR TIGERS TILL THE DAY U DIE-Death has never looked so promising.
U guys are living in an era long gone..........
IF ONLY THE PLAYERS AND THE GAME GAVE A poo.
Get on the Storm.
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Ch 10's sports report had Cotchin as one of the six players. The others are Ablett, Campbell Brown, Cloke, Hurley and Harbrow.
GC17 denying they have signed anyone yet and Guy McKenna said it would be unethical. However Ch 10 said they have spoken to the six players and no one at GC17 is denying it.
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I would really prefer if Cotchins name would be dropped from these reports, if only for the sake of the OER banner!!
I could understand if the kid leaves, but to watch the his best footy in another jumper would be pretty well... its at times like these that a swear filter does not allow for full expression!
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Ch 10's sports report had Cotchin as one of the six players. The others are Ablett, Campbell Brown, Cloke, Hurley and Harbrow.
GC17 denying they have signed anyone yet and Guy McKenna said it would be unethical. However Ch 10 said they have spoken to the six players and no one at GC17 is denying it.
BEAT UP.
Cotchin will sign with us.
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GC17 denying they have signed anyone yet and Guy McKenna said it would be unethical. However Ch 10 said they have spoken to the six players and no one at GC17 is denying it.
What a load of bollocks!
GC17 denying they have signed anyone yet chanel 10 said no-one at GC17 is denying it ??? ???
Ch 10 said they have spoken to the 6 players, well ch 10 wtf did they say ??? ???
They obviously have not admitted it.
Speak to the hand CH 10.
Morons!
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Gold Coast denies using loophole
* AAP
* From: AAP
* February 23, 2010 6:23PM
GOLD Coast coach Guy McKenna has denied the expansion club has already reached binding agreements with current AFL players, saying it would not be "in the true ethics of the game".
McKenna said speculation that players such as Geelong's Gary Ablett, Hawthorn's Campbell Brown or Richmond's Trent Cotchin might already have signed for the club's 2011 AFL debut season was "news to me".
"I wouldn't think generally speaking that's right in the true ethics of the game," McKenna said.
"I find that very hard to believe."
However, McKenna said the Gold Coast had an obligation to put together the best playing roster possible.
"The rules are there from a salary cap point of view for the uncontracted players coming out in 2010 and it would be derelict of my duty not to go after the best available," he said.
Asked to name the targeted players, he said the candidates were obvious.
"Blind Freddy would know who they are," he said.
While McKenna denied deals had already been done, he said the club had been busy sounding out players.
"Those players are going into a season and in some cases we've had a chat and in some cases we haven't," he said, as the club launched a campaign to attract 10,000 members before next year's debut.
"We'll have another window of opportunity, that comes up at the end of the season when we can do that again.
"It's all about those players going out and playing the best they can and performing.
"If they do that we'd still be interested in them but if they don't, we might go off them, who knows, that's the nature of football."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-denies-using-loophole/story-e6frf9jf-1225833582352
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GC17 denying they have signed anyone yet and Guy McKenna said it would be unethical. However Ch 10 said they have spoken to the six players and no one at GC17 is denying it.
What a load of bollocks!
GC17 denying they have signed anyone yet chanel 10 said no-one at GC17 is denying it ??? ???
Ch 10 said they have spoken to the 6 players, well ch 10 wtf did they say ??? ???
They obviously have not admitted it.
Speak to the hand CH 10.
Morons!
Ch 10 said GC17 denied any agreements had been signed already. As far as having spoken to the six players Ch 10 said GC17 weren't denying that. McKenna saying blind freddy knows who the players are means they are after them. For our sake hopefully Cotch told them to bugger off. For some reason I could see Cloke going if the Pies fail again. Their window is closing and no brothers either to hold him at Collingwood anymore and of course Damir walked out as captain on us :scream so he can hardly tell his son not to do so.
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Meh to Ch10's assertions. Attention seeking media muppets.
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Tony Leonard just mentioned on radio that rumour is that Campbell Brown and Trent Cotchin have already signed with GC17.
Where he hears these rumours, I don't know.
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Personally I don't believe it for a second but if Cotchin has indeed been found to have already signed, he can go and play for the Southport Sharks as a warm up this season.
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Tony Leonard just mentioned on radio that rumour is that Campbell Brown and Trent Cotchin have already signed with GC17.
Where he hears these rumours, I don't know.
I'd put money on Big Footy.
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Tony Leonard just mentioned on radio that rumour is that Campbell Brown and Trent Cotchin have already signed with GC17.
Where he hears these rumours, I don't know.
I'd put money on Big Footy.
Thing is al, the same names keep popping up, in papers, on TV and on forums. There must be some element of truth to it, whether it has just been meetings, or he has in fact signed.
I hope that the Tigers find out the truth ASAP and let the fans know what the situation is.
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I think those names keep popping up because they are the obvious targets. As Mckenna said "Blind Freddy would know who they are,".
Just because something is repeated over and over again, doenst mean it's true, particularly when it's posted on internet forums predominantly by 12 year olds and adulds with 12 year old mentalities.
No doubt some of those targeted and spoken to will end up at GC17 but at the moment it's just speculation fueled by the media who are starting to show a propensity to draw stories from the above mentioned forums, which then further inflames the rumors on these forums.
So round and round it goes, where it stops no one knows.
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Personally I don't believe it for a second but if Cotchin has indeed been found to have already signed, he can go and play for the Southport Sharks as a warm up this season.
Thats pretty much my attitude too MM, but then again the compensation would be worth more if was to be gifted a B&F this year. :whistle
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Personally I don't believe it for a second but if Cotchin has indeed been found to have already signed, he can go and play for the Southport Sharks as a warm up this season.
Thats pretty much my attitude too MM, but then again the compensation would be worth more if was to be gifted a B&F this year. :whistle
He's been playing less than 4 years so his draft order will be the largest factor but a high finish wouldn't hurt, I agree.
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Tony Leonard just mentioned on radio that rumour is that Campbell Brown and Trent Cotchin have already signed with GC17.
Where he hears these rumours, I don't know.
what a nuff nuff!
:)
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Thats pretty much my attitude too MM, but then again the compensation would be worth more if was to be gifted a B&F this year. :whistle
Like your thinking al. Better to get something of value in return than nothing.
However given Ablett's worth pick 26, we can expect something around pick 50 for Trent. :-\
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Thats pretty much my attitude too MM, but then again the compensation would be worth more if was to be gifted a B&F this year. :whistle
Like your thinking al. Better to get something of value in return than nothing.
However given Ablett's worth pick 26, we can expect something around pick 50 for Trent. :-\
Only in the next couple of year MM 8)
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this is a joke! my friend messaged me saying in The Age, Cotchin has signed with the Gold Coast?
FFS!
>:(
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From today's Age......
Ziebell's loyalty (re-signing for 3 years) will intensify the spotlight on other Gold Coast targets, including Essendon's fellow 2008 top-10 draftee, Michael Hurley.
Geelong's Gary Ablett, Hawthorn's Campbell Brown, Richmond's Trent Cotchin and Collingwood forward Travis Cloke have also been linked with Gold Coast, which is confident of luring eight to 10 established players.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jack-ziebells-blind-faith-in-north-melbourne-sees-him-sign-three-year-deal/story-e6frf9ix-1225834081025
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See Boak he re-signed with Port as well. C'mon Tigers don't let this drag out, we need to act swiftly before the start of the season or listen to the crap all year about Cotchin leaving.... :banghead
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89888/default.aspx
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Why the hell isn't McMahon's name in the Mix??? Wake up GC17!!! He is an absolute gun!! Just look at the tapes of our Round 18 clash against the Dee's. He is a born Match winner!! Whereas Cotchin is a useless injury ridden hack!! :rollin :rollin
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Ziebell and Boak re-signing puts more pressure on those that haven't.
Why the hell isn't McMahon's name in the Mix??? Wake up GC17!!! He is an absolute gun!! Just look at the tapes of our Round 18 clash against the Dee's. He is a born Match winner!!
:rollin
As we know tiga Jordie is good at losing his opponent and his footskills just need to be seen to be believed ;)
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from today's Herald-Sun....
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale yesterday did not rule out club corporate backers stepping up to help retain Gold Coast target Trent Cotchin.
Cotchin has already been declared as one of Gold Coast's highest recruiting priorities, given his age bracket, skill and leadership abilities.
Gale said the club was confident of Cotchin renewing his contract, and said with the club's corporate clout third-party payments were available to its players.
Gale said Richmond itself could not arrange the payments, but Tigers sponsors or associates could arrange deals through Cotchin and his management.
None of Melbourne, North Melbourne, the Bulldogs or Richmond are believed to have many players with third-party arrangements.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/fines-threat-over-deals/story-e6frf9if-1225834974267
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from today's Herald-Sun....
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale yesterday did not rule out club corporate backers stepping up to help retain Gold Coast target Trent Cotchin.
Cotchin has already been declared as one of Gold Coast's highest recruiting priorities, given his age bracket, skill and leadership abilities.
Gale said the club was confident of Cotchin renewing his contract, and said with the club's corporate clout third-party payments were available to its players.
Gale said Richmond itself could not arrange the payments, but Tigers sponsors or associates could arrange deals through Cotchin and his management.
None of Melbourne, North Melbourne, the Bulldogs or Richmond are believed to have many players with third-party arrangements.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/fines-threat-over-deals/story-e6frf9if-1225834974267
corporate clout? ;D
we've been 15th/16th for as long as I can recall in terms of corporate income. Only North has been worse in this deprtment. :help
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ummm, can someone suggest how the pressure builds coz the others rejected, would tell me he has all the time in the world to decide, as No-one would appear to be chewing up the cap with signings...fair dinkum who do some people think they're kidding ::)
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ummm, can someone suggest how the pressure builds coz the others rejected, would tell me he has all the time in the world to decide, as No-one would appear to be chewing up the cap with signings...fair dinkum who do some people think they're kidding ::)
Media pressure putting 6 names out there questioning their loyalty and honesty plus supporter pressure wanting them to re-sign or worse believing all the media crap and turning on their player because he hasn't re-signed to demiss the speculation.
As far as Tiger corporate backers for Cotch, I believe Ramps is about to set up a new financial advice business in the tax-haven of Bermuda. Send him three easy payments of $49.99 and he'll tell you all about how to make easy money.
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Up Yours GC17 ;D
Ramps' new business plan did the trick :lol
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GC17 miss out another target!
Crybaby Travis Cloke is about to re-sign with the Pies. The Woods have offered him a 3-year contract but Damir could intervene and make him only sign for two years so Cloke can take advantage of free agency coming in.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/travis-cloke-to-reject-gold-coast-windfall-to-re-sign-with-collingwood/story-e6frf9jf-1225838420583
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Up Yours GC17 ;D
Ramps' new business plan did the trick :lol
which bright idea did i put forward this time? ;D
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I wonder if GC17 can't get any big name players to come on up whether they become desperate for some experienced players and pay over the odds for them? Even trading for one of their late first rounders or their first 2nd round pick would be worth something to us. Only problem is we don't have much to trade with :-\.
Up Yours GC17 ;D
Ramps' new business plan did the trick :lol
which bright idea did i put forward this time? ;D
Send me 3 easy payments of $49.95 and I'll tell you ;D
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New AFL franchise Gold Coast insist they have already secured several quality players from other clubs and are frustrated those names must stay private until later this year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-dying-to-announce-signings/story-e6frf9jf-1225872660138
Hopefully no Tigers we want to keep.
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New AFL franchise Gold Coast insist they have already secured several quality players from other clubs and are frustrated those names must stay private until later this year.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-dying-to-announce-signings/story-e6frf9jf-1225872660138
Hopefully no Tigers we want to keep.
I keep hearing the names Campbell Brown, Ricky Pettered, Gavin Urhqhart, Nathan Krakouer, Quinten Lynch and Jarrod Harbrow.