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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 04, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
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Cotchin's top role at Tigers 'too soon'
SAM LIENERT
March 4, 2010 - 2:24PM
AAP
Richmond great Kevin Bartlett says it is "ridiculous" that promising Tigers youngster Trent Cotchin has been appointed to the AFL club's leadership group.
The highly-rated 19-year-old midfielder, entering his third season, has allayed fears he will be poached by the Gold Coast for their 2011 debut by signing a deal to stay at Tigerland until the end of 2013.
But Bartlett, Richmond's games record-holder and former coach, said while there were high hopes the 2007 No.2 draft pick would be a future star, it was unfair to thrust a player with minimal experience into a leadership role.
"It is ridiculous, it is absolutely ridiculous," Bartlett said on his SEN radio show on Thursday.
"It is not as if he's played two full seasons of AFL football.
"The kid's had bad injuries - Achilles, ankles, groins, whatever he's had wrong with him.
"He's put together 25 games, of which probably three or four you'd say showed a lot of ability, and all of a sudden you're part of the leadership group, that is ridiculous."
Bartlett said Cotchin would be poorly equipped to cope if Richmond's leadership group was asked to deal with a player disciplinary issue, such as the current Brendan Fevola nude photo saga or Ben Cousins' drug problems during his time with West Coast.
"Trent Cotchin might be the best leader in three or four years' time, but you've got to have some life skills," he said.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/cotchins-top-role-at-tigers-too-soon-20100304-pkot.html
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He's right you know. But if it keeps Cotchin at the club then thats probably what we have to do.
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Cotch isn't captain or VC though even though he is in the leadership group. We hardly have an abundance of senior leaders and Cotch understands footy even at 19. For all we know his teammates could have wanted him in the leadership group. The media making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Kb is a muppet
same bloke praised the blues for putting Gibbs in the leadeship group as an 18 yr old.
People should understand that KB is a media performer looking for ratings plain and simple
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Get stuffed KB, you are a tool. Shouldn't be allowed to comment on any Tiger issue due to biase he still has towards the club.
Doesn't matter how old you are if you are a born leader.
Shove it up em' Trent.
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Kb is a muppet
same bloke praised the blues for putting Gibbs in the leadeship group as an 18 yr old.
People should understand that KB is a media performer looking for ratings plain and simple
I was going to say, it's not like he was put in the leadership group the moment he arrived at the club like Gibbs was
Given we have such a young list, I have no problems putting someone like Cotchin in the leadership group
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KB makes some good points but by the same token, if they have identified those qualities in the Cotch that will make him not only an excellent player but a good leader, then there is certainly no problem nurturing them by hucking him into the officers mess to see how things are done.
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Leadership is a quality you either have or you dont. You can't create leaders by sending people off to some bullcrap, rip off course. If the powers that be recognise leadership qualities in cotchin then whats the big deal in adding him to the leadership group? actually the leadership group thing is probably a wank fest anyway, natural leaders will be the ones that the others look up to, naturally, without them needing to be be labeled as such, but I suppose that's the way of the world today
KB is is just a twisted, bitter old bugger, but in fairness to him, coaching Richmond could do that to you. Just look at what supporting them has done to some of the posters on here ;D
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wonder what KB thinks of Gibbs being in carlton leadership group @ 17 yoa
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absurd KB. Wayne Carey capt at 21, Sticks also 21, Cam White Big V capt at 20.
All great leaders, born leaders.
The only risk with Cotch is the reliability of his body.
Born footballer, born leader, Richmond capt in waiting.
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What a stuffing scab.
What the stuff would KB know?
Bitter old fool.
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Leadership is a quality you either have or you dont. You can't create leaders by sending people off to some bullcrap, rip off course. If the powers that be recognise leadership qualities in cotchin then whats the big deal in adding him to the leadership group? actually the leadership group thing is probably a wank fest anyway, natural leaders will be the ones that the others look up to, naturally, without them needing to be be labeled as such, but I suppose that's the way of the world today
KB is is just a twisted, bitter old bugger, but in fairness to him, coaching Richmond could do that to you. Just look at what supporting them has done to some of the posters on here ;D
its a fine line being a born leader you still gotta rock up to the meetings and see what the stuffing plan is lol. :cheers To be honest I always thought people who thought they had the right to crown those who had 'leadership qualities' were the biggest wankers of all. Where did they get that qualification? Do they have a cadre of lickspittles that chose to follow them, did they just brown nose their way up some corporate ladder, or did some tafe teacher give em a six week course on identifying leadership qualities as quantified by a professor of psychology who spent most of his school years on a pecking order en par with the local insect population?
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Cotch isn't captain or VC though even though he is in the leadership group. We hardly have an abundance of senior leaders and Cotch understands footy even at 19. For all we know his teammates could have wanted him in the leadership group. The media making a mountain out of a molehill.
Spot on across all counts MT.
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i have always said kb was carried by a very good team in a very good era
overrated player protected by all the tough men we had
he was a class one cheat as a player, and ppl get crappy with divers now, he played for more frees than anyone in the history of the game.
and now, he stll suffers from lil mans syndrome and comes out with this bs
cotchin is a born leader and has a head on his shoulders beyond his yrs
kb f off
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i have always said kb was carried by a very good team in a very good era
overrated player protected by all the tough men we had
he was a class one cheat as a player, and ppl get pooty with divers now, he played for more frees than anyone in the history of the game.
and now, he stll suffers from lil mans syndrome and comes out with this bs
cotchin is a born leader and has a head on his shoulders beyond his yrs
kb f off
cant agree with any of this.
KB the footballer busted his ass for the tigers, was an absolute champion footballer played 400 games and spilt blood for us.
He was good enough to exploit the rules and even get them changed. Very rare indeed.
But that was then and this is now. He is a paid media personality, his wage is determined by his ratings. Everything he says on radio relates to that end.
Cotch was voted into the leadership group by his peers. T
End thread.
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i have always said kb was carried by a very good team in a very good era
overrated player protected by all the tough men we had
he was a class one cheat as a player, and ppl get pooty with divers now, he played for more frees than anyone in the history of the game.
and now, he stll suffers from lil mans syndrome and comes out with this bs
cotchin is a born leader and has a head on his shoulders beyond his yrs
kb f off
cant agree with any of this.
KB the footballer busted his ass for the tigers, was an absolute champion footballer played 400 games and spilt blood for us.
He was good enough to exploit the rules and even get them changed. Very rare indeed.
But that was then and this is now. He is a paid media personality, his wage is determined by his ratings. Everything he says on radio relates to that end.
Cotch was voted into the leadership group by his peers. T
End thread.
end thread pigs arse who are u god?
im not asking u to agree, u have ur opinion, i have mine, btw, i never once saw kb spill blood, at the first sign of danger, kb ran and hid. he was protected by our monsters.
so his cheating u call ecploiyting rules, yet lloyd never exploited the rules was just a cheating diver right lol, double standards
no need to end a thread just bec ur opinion differs to another....grow up
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I think KB is looking at this completely the wrong way.
Cotch is not a leader of our club....YET. Obviously they've identified qualities in him they want in the future leaders of our playing group and I see it as a way of nurturing those qualities while he is coming through as a player. Giving insight into how the current leaders operate and what is needed of them.
That's how I see it anyway, I could be completely wrong :)
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I think there is a difference playing for a free kick and diving.
Playing for a free kick is when your actions cause the opponent to foul you, which KB was a master at, as was baldock before him. Diving is taking an action in an attempt to convince the umpire there was a free when there was none or highlighting a minor infringement that the umpire may have missed otherwise.
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Trent taking a Tiger by the tail
By Nathan Burke
Inside Football
When you have a young team, like Richmond, you may also need young leaders.
LAST week I followed the debate regarding Trent Cotchin and his extended tenure with the Tigers.
Not for the reason that he has had his contract extended for another three years despite being only 19 years old and having played two relatively injury plagued seasons.
The extension is Richmond’s prerogative and if they feel he is the right man to contract long term then good on them.
Certainly from the glimpses I have seen, he is a very exciting young player.
The interesting part of the Cotchin debate, however, involved his elevation to the Tigers’ leadership group.
On talkback radio this was scrutinised and in some cases criticised heavily.
Ex Tiger champ Kevin Bartlett is one in the negative corner who questioned whether Cotchin at 19 had the necessary life experience behind him to be a leader of men.
Would he be able to deal with the complexities thrown his way as a member of the leadership team?
Nowadays the leadership groups are given enormous responsibilities within football clubs. They must deal with players who publicly break society’s rules and face having their actions publicly scrutinised both prior and after the incident and judgment.
Could 19-year-olds be mature and responsible enough to deal with these sorts of complexities?
Are they worldly enough to weigh up the interests of the club, the sponsor, the league and the concerns of the wider society when determining punishment for their peer’s discretions?
The answer is not as simple as yes or no.
While the answer for the vast majority of 19-years-olds is no, they couldn’t handle such responsibility, there are rare individuals where the answer would be a qualified yes.
The qualification is that they are part of a leadership group – with group being the operative word.
I believe that given the right support and guidance there are rare individuals who can not only handle the environment but make considerable contributions along the way.
Now, I have never met Trent Cotchin so none of this is based on him, just his predicament.
He may be one of the few who can thrive under the responsibility and he may not.
I’m sure Richmond thinks he is, otherwise would not have made the decision it has.
What would the Tigers gain from throwing a player they are expecting to be part of their future under a bus?
And we have to understand that nobody knows the capabilities of a player like the coach and his team-mates. If they think he is ready, then who are we to argue?
The fact is that there are many benefits to having a 19-year-old as a member of a club’s leadership group.
During my time at the Saints we were constantly searching for a player of such ability and maturity whom we could fast track through our leadership system.
The standout in my time was Nick Riewoldt, who at 19 displayed leadership abilities that put many old timers to shame.
I have no doubt that his fast tracking has played a part in the successful leadership he currently displays.
Young leaders play an enormous role in the culture and fortunes of a football club.
The main reason for this is their ability to engage the influential and impressionable young players.
No matter how good a champion senior player may be, he will still be out of touch with the young guys.
Quite frankly a 30-year-old with a wife and kids is as far removed from a 19-year-old as a grandfather is to his 15-year-old emo grandson.
The fashion, the culture, certainly the hairstyles, the music and the influencers of a 19-year-old can be worlds away from a senior player.
Because of this there is often an inability to be able to relate at any substantial level of depth.
Sure, an old guy can be friends and have a good relationship, even have an ability to inspire a young guy through magnificent exa0mples, however they will never be able to relate or lead at the intimate level that a person of similar age can.
Think of yourself as a parent of 16-year-old kids. What gives you more confidence; knowing that your son has a good teacher at his school who has your son’s best interest at heart or that your son’s best mate has his head screwed on straight and will not only keep your son on the right path but will show him which is the right path to take?
Which one would make you sleep safer at night when your son is venturing out to parties with his mates?
I believe the answer is the best mate who is wise and responsible. I hope my kids have one.
The mate who knows the kid intimately and understands what makes them tick is in the best position to influence when it counts.
And so it is with footballers.
Try as the senior players might, they are never fully able to relate to the new generation.
The end result is a tendency to lead by being “interesting” rather than being “interested”.
The distinction between the two is clear.
A leader who leads by being loud, outgoing and humorous with a high media profile is relying on others to find him interesting in order for them to follow the good example he sets on the training track.
Whereas a leader who is interested in the people he leads finds out what makes them tick, what drives them deep down, and uses that information to inspire.
He is far more effective than the hit-and-miss “aren’t I interesting?” guy.
This is where Cotchin’s value will lie for the Tigers.
Understanding how to deal with the rebel player and placating aggrieved sponsors will not be his role.
It will be to engage the next generation of Tigers, to be the guy who they can relate to – to show them the path that will take Richmond forward.
I don’t know Trent Cotchin but from the outside the decision by the Tigers could be a stroke of genius.
http://www.insidefootballonline.com/burke.html
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Great article with genuine insight.
Thanks for posting it Cyclops. :thumbsup
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Good article.
Nathan Burke has always had a soft spot for us growing up supporting the Tiges.
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makes a lot of sense. :thumbsup
A leader who leads by being loud, outgoing and humorous with a high media profile is relying on others to find him interesting in order for them to follow the good example he sets on the training track.
Is he having a go at someone in particular here?