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The only way is up: Hardwick
richmondfc.com.au
By Jennifer Witham 11:15 PM Thu 25 March, 2010
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick believes the only way is up for the Tigers after their 56-point loss to Carlton on Thursday night at the MCG.
Hardwick, after coaching his first official game, said he would use lessons learned from the defeat to hasten the development process his young squad was facing.
"This is as poor as we're going to get, as poor as I'm going to be as a head coach and as poor as the team is going to be also," a disappointed Hardwick said after the game.
"It's a learning progress and we've just got to get better a hell of a lot quicker.
Hardwick noted that 14 players had been brought to the club since he took the reins, and said that developing a new style of play would take time.
He singled out debutants Ben Nason, Relton Roberts and Dustin Martin as showing good signs in their first matches, and also highlighted the efforts of some more experienced players.
"Jack Riewoldt showed he could be a really good player for this footy club," Hardwick said.
"We've just got to add to that talent and continue to develop the talent we've already got."
The coach believed a combination of tired legs and lack of composure accounted for his team's lack of run in the second half, when the Blues blew the margin out from 19 points to almost 10 goals.
"We've got a fair way to go, we know that. There were some good signs but we're still disappointed with the way we faded out," he said.
"I thought we were in the game in the first half but the third quarter was diabolical, really.
"We missed tackles, turned the ball over and progressively got worse after about two and a half quarters.
"Whilst there were some really good signs early, we were disappointed with the way we faded out."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/91088/default.aspx
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"This is as poor as we're going to get, as poor as I'm going to be as a head coach and as poor as the team is going to be also," a disappointed Hardwick said after the game.
Pssst Dimma we play the Bullies next week. :-[
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Next week won't be pretty to watch :help
Having said that Hardwick and the match committee can't afford to overreact to the loss last night and bring in more mature players like Tucky, Jordie, King and co. who aren't our future in some desperate attempt to try and minimise scoreboard damage next week. We need to persist with the kids and just suck it up this year and possibly next.
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Next week won't be pretty to watch :help
Having said that Hardwick and the match committee can't afford to overreact to the loss last night and bring in more mature players like Tucky, Jordie, King and co. who aren't our future in some desperate attempt to try and minimise scoreboard damage next week. We need to persist with the kids and just suck it up this year and possibly next.
Sure but some of those kids aren't going to be part of our future either based on tonight. :-[
I think we will win the spoon quite handsomely I am afraid to say.
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Sure but some of those kids aren't going to be part of our future either based on tonight. :-[
I think we will win the spoon quite handsomely I am afraid to say.
No doubt about the latter but we already knew before the ball was bounced we are vying with the Dees for the spoon.
Some of the kids won't make it. That's just the reality of the draft. But unless we play these kids we won't find out who is up to it or not quickly so we can continually turn over our list quickly and keep only the cream of the crop. Bringing back older players who have been in the system for 5 years or more and who we know are only state league players at best will only hamper our "transformation" to use the Club's catchcry.
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Tigers not as bad as before
* Jon Ralph
* Herald Sun
* March 26, 2010
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick feared a repeat of last year's Round 1 capitulation after last night's horrific start against Carlton, but was ultimately encouraged by his side's effort.
The Tigers conceded the first five goals of the game within 13 minutes, surged back into the contest before being done in by inexperience and lack of fitness.
The Tigers lost by 56 points - well short of the 83-point margin in last year's opening round.
Hardwick said a "diabolical" third quarter and second-half turnovers cost them the game.
"I don't think I can say what was rushing through my head in the first 10 minutes, to be perfectly honest," he joked.
"I must admit I was having incarnations of Round 1 last year. But our boys, to their credit, stuck to their guns and the ball started to come our way."We are disappointed with the loss, but I thought we were in the game in the first half."
Richmond trailed by 19 points after Mitch Morton's goal after the halftime siren, but the Tigers kicked just two second-half goals as Carlton piled on seven majors.
"The third quarter was diabolical. We missed tackles, turned the ball over and it progressively got worse. We were disappointed with the way we faded out," Hardwick said."It was just a complete lack of run. An inexperienced side got tired and because we missed a lot of tackles during that third quarter we ended up chasing backsides for that whole quarter. We just failed to regain that composure for the remainder of the match."
There were mixed performances from the youngsters, but Hardwick said the club had "found a few players tonight".
Ben Nason looks a talent, but Mitch Farmer and Relton Roberts were quieter.
Dustin Martin, the No. 3 draft pick, ended up with 18 touches, six of them in an excellent last term.
Trent Cotchin (19 touches) looked short of a run, and while Richard Tambling (12 possessions) had eight first-half tackles he could win only two possessions to halftime.
"I thought Dustin probably tried to handball and do too much early, he probably got a bit overawed," Hardwick said.
"But he still had close to 20 touches. He will be a very good player for us in the future and Relton Roberts did some nice things. He is going to be an exciting player. (Nason) is going to be a very good player.
"The result wasn't what I was after. But there are some things I have to work on, and the team has to work on.
"This is as poor as I am going to get - as poor as I am going to be as a head coach, and our team is as poor as it's going to be. It's a learning process, our team just has to get better a hell of a lot quicker."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-not-as-bad-as-before/story-e6frf9jf-1225845608298
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Next week won't be pretty to watch :help
Having said that Hardwick and the match committee can't afford to overreact to the loss last night and bring in more mature players like Tucky, Jordie, King and co. who aren't our future in some desperate attempt to try and minimise scoreboard damage next week. We need to persist with the kids and just suck it up this year and possibly next.
correct but i want to see Post & Collins in for Hislop & Edwards.
The last 2 will not take us to a flag so why play them.
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Hardwick can see positive signs after Tiger thrashing
Herald Sun
March 26, 2010 3:08PM
NEW Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says he can see signs of rapid improvement from his players after the Tigers were thumped by Carlton in the season-opener.
Hardwick's coaching career began with a 56-point defeat, but Hardwick was confident his team would not be as bad again this season as it was against the Blues.
He drew encouragement from the efforts of his first-game players, Jack Riewoldt's two goals and strong marking in attack and the emphasis he has put on change since he began rebuilding.
"You bring in 14 new players and you transform a game plan, it takes a bit of time, so we're going to get better a hell of a lot quicker," he said.
"We're going to develop players.
"You see the signs. Ben Nason showed some really good things, Relton Roberts, Dustin Martin, the emergence of some players.
"I thought Jack Riewoldt showed he could be a really good player for this footy club.
"What we've got to do is add to that talent and continuously develop the talent we've already got."
Richmond's immediate challenge is lifting to match the Western Bulldogs, who boast plenty of scoring power and posted two easy wins over the Tigers last year.
"You can't dwell too much on the loss and you learn a few things," Hardwick said.
"We went through a quote by Thomas Edison - every mistake you make you've got to learn from it, go back to the drawing board and move forward - so that's something we'll do."
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson, one of Hardwick's coaching mentors, offered his former colleague empathy today when he reflected on his own coaching debut five years ago, which brought a 63-point defeat to Sydney.
"It's a tough caper," Clarkson said.
"He's taken on a group of players that he's going to build from the ground up and I reckon he's going about it the right way ... I'd be suggesting they're making a lot of ground behind the scenes, we're just not seeing it in wins."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hardwick-can-see-positive-signs-after-tiger-thrashing/story-e6frf9jf-1225846057917
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ok folks.
This statement contains more bull poo than anything Wallace ever said.
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a good kicking coach would be what we need & have needed for years
if we kicked straight it help confidence
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a good kicking coach would be what we need & have needed for years
if we kicked straight it help confidence
There is no worse kick than that crazy irishman, unless he is aiming at the ass of of his own player that is
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ok folks.
This statement contains more bull poo than anything Wallace ever said.
Yep. I reckon Dimma needs to play a very straight bat at the pressers and just get on with it.
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The media are already feeding off Dimma's "this is as poor as we're going to get" comment....
It's not getting any easier for Damien Hardwick
Courtney Walsh
The Australian
April 01, 2010
First up, the Tigers met a Carlton side determined to prove there is life for the Blues after Brendan Fevola and fell well short of fans' hopes, if not expectations.
Worse, though, looms this weekend against a Western Bulldogs side determined to get their bite back following the opening-round thrashing by Collingwood.
Full article:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/its-not-getting-any-easier-stuff/story-e6frg7mf-1225848239861
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Unfortunately it is not as poor as we will get. Hate to say it but I expect we will get some worst floggings by seasons end.
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Don't like these bold statements that sometimes get said. With Dogs on Sunday Sydney is Syd next week and Geel in round 6 could be a few awful floggings on the horizon.
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Unfortunately it is not as poor as we will get. Hate to say it but I expect we will get some worst floggings by seasons end.
He did say poor not pee poor.
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We all knew what Dimma meant at the time but I bet some smartalec dill in the media will bring this statement up again :-\
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I dont think even they can be bothered anymore....they're work is done
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Hardwick's motives were pure. Agree with comments by smasha
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hardwick wont last long if we keep being non competitive week in week out. the score board does not matter but game plan and attitudes do
and at this stage we have no game plan and our attitudes suck
hardwick is delusional at this point and is a liar as well
he said from day dot if u cant kick u wont play, yet we still have moron players , repeat offenders that keep getting games
i dont wish ill on anyone but if guys like jackson rance nahas and all the others keep getting games maybe they should take on a tram so they wont get games
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If you have 25 players on a list of 38 who cannot kick you cannot sack all of them at once. You need to select 22 week in week out. At least he is going to play everybody and see who can play and who can't. Another huge cull at the end of the year with delistings and retirements coming up.
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we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that :banghead
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we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that :banghead
Martin can't kick?
Astbury is a lovely set shot puts Jack to shame.
Nason kicked two beauties today on his non preferred and after making some blues against Sydney by foot and in the first two games he has been kicking longer and more direct.
You can't put Grimes and Webberley in that category.
To be honest you can't put the skill errors of the team on the shoulders of first year players 6 games into a season.
A previous coach and admin have alot to answer for. We knew DImma's job was huge but somewhere we all hoped we would be better than this, heck even you said and this is not verbatim Jack that "we'll surprise a few sides this year". Unfortunantely Terry and his lack of any effort with his list under his tenure is killing us now. If a government is wasting resources and money and thus the economy is devalued then the fault is squarely placed on that governments policies not the incumbent government that has a huge job to rectify the problems. I blame Wallace for this not Hardwick and I'm prepared to give Hardwick those 3 years of his contract to get us going. Look at Dean Bailey's first 6 games of his tenure
Rd 1 Lost 104 Hawthorn
Rd 2 Lost 95 Bulldogs
Rd 3 Lost 30 Geelong
Rd 4 Lost 49 North Melbourne
Rd 5 Lost 43 Carlton
Rd 6 Lost 52 Brisbane.
Noone was questioning their gameplan this week rather their selection of Rivers as as opposed to adding another running player to their list. It is doom and gloom for now but things will turn around. When undertaking a total rebuild you won't go from cellar dwellers to competitive in the space of a pre season and 6 games. Everybody knows that.
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we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that :banghead
Martin can't kick?
Astbury is a lovely set shot puts Jack to shame.
Nason kicked two beauties today on his non preferred and after making some blues against Sydney by foot and in the first two games he has been kicking longer and more direct.
You can't put Grimes and Webberley in that category.
To be honest you can't put the skill errors of the team on the shoulders of first year players 6 games into a season.
A previous coach and admin have alot to answer for. We knew DImma's job was huge but somewhere we all hoped we would be better than this, heck even you said and this is not verbatim Jack that "we'll surprise a few sides this year". Unfortunantely Terry and his lack of any effort with his list under his tenure is killing us now. If a government is wasting resources and money and thus the economy is devalued then the fault is squarely placed on that governments policies not the incumbent government that has a huge job to rectify the problems. I blame Wallace for this not Hardwick and I'm prepared to give Hardwick those 3 years of his contract to get us going. Look at Dean Bailey's first 6 games of his tenure
Rd 1 Lost 104 Hawthorn
Rd 2 Lost 95 Bulldogs
Rd 3 Lost 30 Geelong
Rd 4 Lost 49 North Melbourne
Rd 5 Lost 43 Carlton
Rd 6 Lost 52 Brisbane.
Noone was questioning their gameplan this week rather their selection of Rivers as as opposed to adding another running player to their list. It is doom and gloom for now but things will turn around. When undertaking a total rebuild you won't go from cellar dwellers to competitive in the space of a pre season and 6 games. Everybody knows that.
I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
And furthemore, I blame Hardwick for the apparent lack of game plan, continually playing players out of position, EG Lids , Tuck and Tambling ( didnt play today ).
We are going backwards as a football club, not forwards.
The lack of effort today by mosy players was TERRIBLE.
As for Vickery, a disgracefull effort.
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WHO THE EFF SHOULD BE PLAYING THEN, JACK? PLEASE, ENLIGHTEN US!
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we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that :banghead
Martin can't kick?
Astbury is a lovely set shot puts Jack to shame.
Nason kicked two beauties today on his non preferred and after making some blues against Sydney by foot and in the first two games he has been kicking longer and more direct.
You can't put Grimes and Webberley in that category.
To be honest you can't put the skill errors of the team on the shoulders of first year players 6 games into a season.
A previous coach and admin have alot to answer for. We knew DImma's job was huge but somewhere we all hoped we would be better than this, heck even you said and this is not verbatim Jack that "we'll surprise a few sides this year". Unfortunantely Terry and his lack of any effort with his list under his tenure is killing us now. If a government is wasting resources and money and thus the economy is devalued then the fault is squarely placed on that governments policies not the incumbent government that has a huge job to rectify the problems. I blame Wallace for this not Hardwick and I'm prepared to give Hardwick those 3 years of his contract to get us going. Look at Dean Bailey's first 6 games of his tenure
Rd 1 Lost 104 Hawthorn
Rd 2 Lost 95 Bulldogs
Rd 3 Lost 30 Geelong
Rd 4 Lost 49 North Melbourne
Rd 5 Lost 43 Carlton
Rd 6 Lost 52 Brisbane.
Noone was questioning their gameplan this week rather their selection of Rivers as as opposed to adding another running player to their list. It is doom and gloom for now but things will turn around. When undertaking a total rebuild you won't go from cellar dwellers to competitive in the space of a pre season and 6 games. Everybody knows that.
I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
And furthemore, I blame Hardwick for the apparent lack of game plan, continually playing players out of position, EG Lids , Tuck and Tambling ( didnt play today ).
We are going backwards as a football club, not forwards.
The lack of effort today by mosy players was TERRIBLE.
As for Vickery, a disgracefull effort.
completely disagree with astbury comment, lovely field kick, dermies seen him for the first time and makes a comment based o a couple of unforced errors ::)
as for Nason not doing aything off the ball, what drugs are u on???? this guy puts to shame EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON OUR LIST when it comes to gut running and running off the ball. No one works harder to get into space than this guy. Pick different targets Jack
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WHO THE EFF SHOULD BE PLAYING THEN, JACK? PLEASE, ENLIGHTEN US!
Dea and Rance as so poor, you might as well play White and McMahon.
THATS HOW BAD DEA AND RANCE ARE
Play Post.
Play Browne. ( Vickery gives nothing when we havent got the ball, runs around like a girl flapping his arms )
Theres a start.
Have some structure in the team, we have NONE after 5 mins.
Be predictable to your team mates.
Example being first option is a handball then a kick, then at least all players know whats happening.
At the moment , its a complete mess, players dont know what to do. they handball to players standing there flat footed
who is to blame,
THE COACH !
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we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that :banghead
Martin can't kick?
Astbury is a lovely set shot puts Jack to shame.
Nason kicked two beauties today on his non preferred and after making some blues against Sydney by foot and in the first two games he has been kicking longer and more direct.
You can't put Grimes and Webberley in that category.
To be honest you can't put the skill errors of the team on the shoulders of first year players 6 games into a season.
A previous coach and admin have alot to answer for. We knew DImma's job was huge but somewhere we all hoped we would be better than this, heck even you said and this is not verbatim Jack that "we'll surprise a few sides this year". Unfortunantely Terry and his lack of any effort with his list under his tenure is killing us now. If a government is wasting resources and money and thus the economy is devalued then the fault is squarely placed on that governments policies not the incumbent government that has a huge job to rectify the problems. I blame Wallace for this not Hardwick and I'm prepared to give Hardwick those 3 years of his contract to get us going. Look at Dean Bailey's first 6 games of his tenure
Rd 1 Lost 104 Hawthorn
Rd 2 Lost 95 Bulldogs
Rd 3 Lost 30 Geelong
Rd 4 Lost 49 North Melbourne
Rd 5 Lost 43 Carlton
Rd 6 Lost 52 Brisbane.
Noone was questioning their gameplan this week rather their selection of Rivers as as opposed to adding another running player to their list. It is doom and gloom for now but things will turn around. When undertaking a total rebuild you won't go from cellar dwellers to competitive in the space of a pre season and 6 games. Everybody knows that.
I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
And furthemore, I blame Hardwick for the apparent lack of game plan, continually playing players out of position, EG Lids , Tuck and Tambling ( didnt play today ).
We are going backwards as a football club, not forwards.
The lack of effort today by mosy players was TERRIBLE.
As for Vickery, a disgracefull effort.
completely disagree with astbury comment, lovely field kick, dermies seen him for the first time and makes a comment based o a couple of unforced errors ::)
as for Nason not doing aything off the ball, what drugs are u on???? this guy puts to shame EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON OUR LIST when it comes to gut running and running off the ball. No one works harder to get into space than this guy. Pick different targets Jack
Did you go to the game ?
I did.
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WHO THE EFF SHOULD BE PLAYING THEN, JACK? PLEASE, ENLIGHTEN US!
its not just about who, its about the attitudes and intent by the 22 that go out there
i dont care if we lose as long as we ave a dip
today maybe 4 players tried thats it
newman, polo deledio and thursty
as for astbury his set shots at goal are great but today his field kicking was disgraceful
thats it
riewoldt should be shot, celebrating afet each goal he kicks, pull ur head in loser! 15 goals dwn and he celbrates like he is god
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Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I. :lol
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WHO THE EFF SHOULD BE PLAYING THEN, JACK? PLEASE, ENLIGHTEN US!
Dea and Rance as so poor, you might as well play White and McMahon.
THATS HOW BAD DEA AND RANCE ARE
Play Post.
Play Browne. ( Vickery gives nothing when we havent got the ball, runs around like a girl flapping his arms )
Theres a start.
Have some structure in the team, we have NONE after 5 mins.
Be predictable to your team mates.
Example being first option is a handball then a kick, then at least all players know whats happening.
At the moment , its a complete mess, players dont know what to do. they handball to players standing there flat footed
who is to blame,
THE COACH !
Rance deserves to keep his spot. Post was bad for Coburg. Browne should come in... FOR SIMMONDS. McMahon had given up. Pathetic player.
Give Webberley a go.
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Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I. :lol
As a kid he shows some spirit.
I remember under Wallace first gamers or new players with a few games under their belt would kick their first goals and noone would go up to them for encouragement at least now the when it happens the kid gets congratulated from every one of the other 17 players on the ground.
A high five when your 10 goals down may seem mundane and unnecessary but if you can change the little things first and instill some sort of team ethic and spirit then it may mean something in the long run. Would rather see some encouragement in a dire circumstance than nothing.
As for the commentators is there anyone on SEN who has a good thing to say about us. It's all overanalysis anyway and is so pro Collingwood Hawthorn Geelong Bulldogs Sydney and St Kilda. Is their anyone on Foxtel 3AW or MMM that can find a silver lining in anything we have done in the last 6 months?
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I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.
Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games
Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.
But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.
Where to begin?
Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?
Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.
I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week
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Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I. :lol
But these commentators, much like yourself, do nothing but crap on our team at every opportunity so I wouldn't read much into it.
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we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that :banghead
Martin can't kick?
Astbury is a lovely set shot puts Jack to shame.
Nason kicked two beauties today on his non preferred and after making some blues against Sydney by foot and in the first two games he has been kicking longer and more direct.
You can't put Grimes and Webberley in that category.
To be honest you can't put the skill errors of the team on the shoulders of first year players 6 games into a season.
A previous coach and admin have alot to answer for. We knew DImma's job was huge but somewhere we all hoped we would be better than this, heck even you said and this is not verbatim Jack that "we'll surprise a few sides this year". Unfortunantely Terry and his lack of any effort with his list under his tenure is killing us now. If a government is wasting resources and money and thus the economy is devalued then the fault is squarely placed on that governments policies not the incumbent government that has a huge job to rectify the problems. I blame Wallace for this not Hardwick and I'm prepared to give Hardwick those 3 years of his contract to get us going. Look at Dean Bailey's first 6 games of his tenure
Rd 1 Lost 104 Hawthorn
Rd 2 Lost 95 Bulldogs
Rd 3 Lost 30 Geelong
Rd 4 Lost 49 North Melbourne
Rd 5 Lost 43 Carlton
Rd 6 Lost 52 Brisbane.
Noone was questioning their gameplan this week rather their selection of Rivers as as opposed to adding another running player to their list. It is doom and gloom for now but things will turn around. When undertaking a total rebuild you won't go from cellar dwellers to competitive in the space of a pre season and 6 games. Everybody knows that.
I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
And furthemore, I blame Hardwick for the apparent lack of game plan, continually playing players out of position, EG Lids , Tuck and Tambling ( didnt play today ).
We are going backwards as a football club, not forwards.
The lack of effort today by mosy players was TERRIBLE.
As for Vickery, a disgracefull effort.
completely disagree with astbury comment, lovely field kick, dermies seen him for the first time and makes a comment based o a couple of unforced errors ::)
as for Nason not doing aything off the ball, what drugs are u on???? this guy puts to shame EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON OUR LIST when it comes to gut running and running off the ball. No one works harder to get into space than this guy. Pick different targets Jack
Did you go to the game ?
I did.
that's inconsequential bc you are way off on this one
btw great post WP 8)
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I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.
Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games
Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.
But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.
Where to begin?
Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?
Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.
I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week
As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend. ;)
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball. :banghead Defensive pressure?? :banghead
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.
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I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.
Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games
Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.
But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.
Where to begin?
Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?
Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.
I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week
As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend. ;)
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball. :banghead Defensive pressure?? :banghead
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.
what did you want from a guy picked in the 70s in the draft Jacko? Im not saying he can play, I have question marks as well over his performance, but lets be honest, non of us were expecting him to be any good after being picked in the 70s. For where he was picked, hes doing ok I would have thought.
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As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend. ;)
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball. :banghead Defensive pressure?? :banghead
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.
And as I am trying to point out to you and you won't acknowledge because it doesn't suit your purpose.
This kid has played a total of 6 games, not 160, 106, 60 or even 22: he's played 6 games. And you are crucifying him over today's game.
Did he have a good game today? NO he didn't but at as I said I stand by it at least he doesn't drop his head.
To say he isn't going to make it after 6 games is laughable.
So how has his other 5 games been? You see that's where we differ I am looking not just today but on what he's done over the 6 games he has played not just today....
If you wanna take pot shots from the cheap seats then look at the more experienced blokes who didn't fire a shot today like Moore, McGuane, Morton, Jackson because last time I checked they were ever so slightly ahead of the 6 career game mark
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As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend. ;)
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball. :banghead Defensive pressure?? :banghead
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.
And as I am trying to point out to you and you won't acknowledge because it doesn't suit your purpose.
This kid has played a total of 6 games, not 160, 106, 60 or even 22: he's played 6 games. And you are crucifying him over today's game.
Did he have a good game today? NO he didn't but at as I said I stand by it at least he doesn't drop his head.
To say he isn't going to make it after 6 games is laughable.
So how has his other 5 games been? You see that's where we differ I am looking not just today but on what he's done over the 6 games he has played not just today....
If you wanna take pot shots from the cheap seats then look at the more experienced blokes who didn't fire a shot today like Moore, McGuane, Morton, Jackson because last time I checked they were ever so slightly ahead of the 6 career game mark
Make a statement now.
He shouldnt have been picked up as he way too small.
Doesnt matter if he has played 60 games. :banghead
His body and size suggests he offers little resistance when the opposition has the ball.
On what I seen today, this would be correct.
As for Jackson and Morton :banghead
As for McGaune and Moore, cant blame them if there was little pressure on the opposition ball carrier.
Also I would of thought one spare man back to assist would of been of help, considering the way the ball was coming inside there F50
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Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I. :lol
But these commentators, much like yourself, do nothing but crap on our team at every opportunity so I wouldn't read much into it.
:clapping :thumbsup
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Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I. :lol
But these commentators, much like yourself, do nothing but crap on our team at every opportunity so I wouldn't read much into it.
:clapping :thumbsup
Did you go Smokey ??
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I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING
I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.
Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games
Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.
But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.
Where to begin?
Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?
Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.
I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week
Gotta say Tucky actually kicked arse today WP. He won a ton of contested ball, had 38 disposals his efficiency was good, 6 marks and so forth. A few papers had him down as our best too. I thought he was pretty good and that was because he was able to mix it up.
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might as well play White and McMahon.
I suppose that's your masterstroke that would have got us a win over the Cats. :lol
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might as well play White and McMahon.
I suppose that's your masterstroke that would have got us a win over the Cats. :lol
At least both CAN get a kick, Dea cant even get a kick, and Rance is just HOPELESS !
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jack i dont know why you bother polluting this place with your drivel. why dont u crawl back up yr arse and leave us alone
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We all know the sort of year and perhaps years we are going to have to endure without our own supporters joing the kick em when their down chorus. I am sure those players were just as devistated as us supporters on the weekend and for that matter over the past 6 weeks. We just need to stick fat, it's going to be a long road...... unfortunate but true.
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i agree WAT. We are gonna get angry and bitter and all that but fair dinkum why bother to pour it out on here? Those negative morons need to take a chill pill and go for a walk or something. it's not going to change anything or improve anything if u mouth off in here. It tells us a lot more about the miserable lives of the posters than anything else.
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We all know the sort of year and perhaps years we are going to have to endure without our own supporters joing the kick em when their down chorus. I am sure those players were just as devistated as us supporters on the weekend and for that matter over the past 6 weeks. We just need to stick fat, it's going to be a long road...... unfortunate but true.
Some will agree, while other will want to lay the boot in to this.
I will agree, as I know it is gunna take time to get it all running well.
Others will want us in the finals this year and if we don't, then this gives them the rights to kick a tiger when he is down.
So they think.
All I know I would not want to go to war with some of our so called supporters.
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Spot on Bushie! Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack. The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something.
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jack i dont know why you bother polluting this place with your drivel. why dont u crawl back up yr behind and leave us alone
And you fine stuff just agree whats currently going on and end up with yet another 5 year plan in 5 years time ??? :banghead
Sorry, I dont agree we going in the right direction.
All you people on here praise Vickery and Rance
As quoted by Jon Ralph today "" Alex Rance is yet to show he is worth his top-20 status, and top 10 selection Tyrone Vickery again did little to nothing "'
I rest my case.
Although Vickery did flap his arms and run around in circles :lol
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jack i dont know why you bother polluting this place with your drivel. why dont u crawl back up yr behind and leave us alone
And you fine stuff just agree whats currently going on and end up with yet another 5 year plan in 5 years time ??? :banghead
Sorry, I dont agree we going in the right direction.
All you people on here praise Vickery and Rance
As quoted by Jon Ralph today "" Alex Rance is yet to show he is worth his top-20 status, and top 10 selection Tyrone Vickery again did little to nothing "'
I rest my case.
Although Vickery did flap his arms and run around in circles :lol
yr making things up mate. I never said any of that.
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are you Jon Ralph ?? LOL :lol
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are you Jon Ralph ?? LOL :lol
Nope.
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might as well play White and McMahon.
I suppose that's your masterstroke that would have got us a win over the Cats. :lol
At least both CAN get a kick, Dea cant even get a kick, and Rance is just HOPELESS !
What exactly are you trying to achieve Jack?
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Jack is trying to drag us all down to his pathetic level. It makes him happy to complain and denigrate others. he has nothing to say that's constructive so he just bleats like a sooky child. In medieval times he would have been one of those religious nuts who went around flagellating himself.
It's really sad, but I guess all clubs have these chicken little types as supporters.
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I have to admit , that after watching us get belted, i can come home and get some perverse amusement from those softies that get on here and cry like a baby with a sh|tty nappy. :whistle
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Al, I know what you mean and I guess once i felt that way too. But it does get you down after awhile, all that immature complaining.
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Nice comeback matey! :sleep
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Nice comeback matey! :sleep
Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum
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Nice comeback matey! :sleep
Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum
Well get stuffed and support another team then
We don't want you any more, I'd rather have Joffa FFS
You are a cancer on the RFC
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plus one! :bow
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Nice comeback matey! :sleep
Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum
Can truly understand where you are coming from Jack but in my opinion, you have to give Hardwick more than 6 games to make a call like that. He is trying to bring in a new game plan, and he is trying to do it with a lot of young cubs in the side- a really big ask. From before this season began, I have been of the opinion that we would be really cr@p until at least round 12-13. Nothing has happened so far that has changed my mind on this- in fact, I think it is going to take even longer perhaps??
But, there have been times in games where I have actually thought there is method in his madness and we will improve when some kids mature and we get the right structures in place. Everyone associated with following the RFC will need to be super patient for this year in particular, and probably for a large chunk of next year as well but I am prepared to give Hardwick and his coaching staff at least the three years they have been mandated to see what they can produce. St Kilda, Melbourne Carlton all had their doubters when they appointed new coaches but they are progressing now. Even Bomber Thompson was almost sacked before he got to reap the rewards of what he had done.
The biggest difference I noticed immediately the game started on Sunday was the body shapes of both sides. Geelong had hard, big seasoned bodies while we only had Ben Cousins, Shane Tuck and Troy Simmonds who were remotely close to the opposition physique. They are all young and we need their bodies to grow up to compete at stoppages. If we have the right conditioning staff, it will happen but again, it takes time.
As I said, Dimma may not be the right Coach but he deserves more than 6 rounds to show his wares!!!!!- he must be afforded the three years given to him, and a decision made thereafter on whether he is the one to lead us to Premiership Number 11. I still have faith in him at this stage
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Nice comeback matey! :sleep
Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum
Can truly understand where you are coming from Jack but in my opinion, you have to give Hardwick more than 6 games to make a call like that. He is trying to bring in a new game plan, and he is trying to do it with a lot of young cubs in the side- a really big ask. From before this season began, I have been of the opinion that we would be really cr@p until at least round 12-13. Nothing has happened so far that has changed my mind on this- in fact, I think it is going to take even longer perhaps??
But, there have been times in games where I have actually thought there is method in his madness and we will improve when some kids mature and we get the right structures in place. Everyone associated with following the RFC will need to be super patient for this year in particular, and probably for a large chunk of next year as well but I am prepared to give Hardwick and his coaching staff at least the three years they have been mandated to see what they can produce. St Kilda, Melbourne Carlton all had their doubters when they appointed new coaches but they are progressing now. Even Bomber Thompson was almost sacked before he got to reap the rewards of what he had done.
The biggest difference I noticed immediately the game started on Sunday was the body shapes of both sides. Geelong had hard, big seasoned bodies while we only had Ben Cousins, Shane Tuck and Troy Simmonds who were remotely close to the opposition physique. They are all young and we need their bodies to grow up to compete at stoppages. If we have the right conditioning staff, it will happen but again, it takes time.
As I said, Dimma may not be the right Coach but he deserves more than 6 rounds to show his wares!!!!!- he must be afforded the three years given to him, and a decision made thereafter on whether he is the one to lead us to Premiership Number 11. I still have faith in him at this stage
Agree :thumbsup
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just as a side thingy..i think those hoola hoops on the geelong team tends to make them loook bigger also
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Spot on Bushie! Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack. The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something.
lol, lol, very good!! :rollin
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Spot on Bushie! Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack. The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something.
sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.
geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs
ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.
the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.
yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.
yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
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Claw you should buy a membership and get on board mate!
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Claw you should buy a membership and get on board mate!
this yr i considered a membership but thought better of it. the rfc will get its fair share of my hard earned in a different way as usual.
who knows next yr which will be our bottom out yr i may get one.
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Spot on Bushie! Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack. The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something.
sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.
geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs
ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.
the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.
yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.
yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
size is a major reason Claw. Apparently someone said we just got a weights coach this year. WTF :banghead :banghead and we have had the same fool Hornsbyt there for 5 years.
Yep he is doing a great job we have Thursfield still a tooth pick and Moore not much chop either. Polo, Edwards etc etc the list goes on.
100% spot on about bottoming out. we have another 12 to go because why? we have so mnay of the same type of players and quite frankly we cant move forarad till we release some of them. Edwards, Polo, Rance, Tambling. same players same skill.
Adding to that now we have Nahas, Farmer who in my opinion was a MASSIVE RECRUITING MISTAKE, AND King.
My Solarium has screwed us over big time and Dimma is paying for it now.
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it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
I'm impressed Claw - you do know a bit about military history (a favorite subject of mine). :thumbsup
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Spot on Bushie! Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack. The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something.
sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.
geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs
ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.
the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.
yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.
yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
size is a major reason Claw. Apparently someone said we just got a weights coach this year. WTF :banghead :banghead and we have had the same fool Hornsbyt there for 5 years.
Yep he is doing a great job we have Thursfield still a tooth pick and Moore not much chop either. Polo, Edwards etc etc the list goes on.
100% spot on about bottoming out. we have another 12 to go because why? we have so mnay of the same type of players and quite frankly we cant move forarad till we release some of them. Edwards, Polo, Rance, Tambling. same players same skill.
Adding to that now we have Nahas, Farmer who in my opinion was a MASSIVE RECRUITING MISTAKE, AND King.
My Solarium has screwed us over big time and Dimma is paying for it now.
yep its a reason or even the single reason why glass half fulls like jackson get a game. simmo probably hislop whos in his 4th yr of afl i hope the club can make a decision on him this yr. tuck is probably another although tucky brings much more to the table than jackson.
if i was planning for three or four yrs time the first thing i would be doing is asking who is going to be there and why, who is not and why. with the latter the next obvious q is how many have enough positives to possibly be turned around.
based on strengths, weakness, and performance, with age and potential upside as an over ride, the following players have to go.
but also remember we may be ,forced to keep the odd big experienced body who are deficient, because as we knew ages ago and are relearning in a hard way you cant compete without good structure and adequate size and height.
anyway those who have to go.and they can go and you would not miss them.
1 mcmahon delist.
2 polak delist.
3 white dlist.
4 simmonds retire.
5 graham delist.
6 jackson trade/delist.
7 king delist
8 thomson delist.
9 nahas delist.
10 hislop delist.
11 mcguane trade/delist.
12 tuck.delist.
thats 12 in a rough order and theres plenty others you just know will/should join them the yr after. none of the 12 are babys they have all had a chance to prove themselves in the afl system. for all sorts of reasons they are in the gun.
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it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
I'm impressed Claw - you do know a bit about military history (a favorite subject of mine). :thumbsup
had no choice about it. the old man fought in ww2.learnt about that war at an early age. great uncle fought in ww1 is buried in france. another came home with only one arm. uncle jake dads brother fought in middle east brother and in law fought in vietnam. yeah military history has played a big part in my life.
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Spot on Bushie! Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack. The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something.
sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.
geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs
ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.
the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.
yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.
yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
size is a major reason Claw. Apparently someone said we just got a weights coach this year. WTF :banghead :banghead and we have had the same fool Hornsbyt there for 5 years.
Yep he is doing a great job we have Thursfield still a tooth pick and Moore not much chop either. Polo, Edwards etc etc the list goes on.
100% spot on about bottoming out. we have another 12 to go because why? we have so mnay of the same type of players and quite frankly we cant move forarad till we release some of them. Edwards, Polo, Rance, Tambling. same players same skill.
Adding to that now we have Nahas, Farmer who in my opinion was a MASSIVE RECRUITING MISTAKE, AND King.
My Solarium has screwed us over big time and Dimma is paying for it now.
yep its a reason or even the single reason why glass half fulls like jackson get a game. simmo probably hislop whos in his 4th yr of afl i hope the club can make a decision on him this yr. tuck is probably another although tucky brings much more to the table than jackson.
if i was planning for three or four yrs time the first thing i would be doing is asking who is going to be there and why, who is not and why. with the latter the next obvious q is how many have enough positives to possibly be turned around.
based on strengths, weakness, and performance, with age and potential upside as an over ride, the following players have to go.
but also remember we may be ,forced to keep the odd big experienced body who are deficient, because as we knew ages ago and are relearning in a hard way you cant compete without good structure and adequate size and height.
anyway those who have to go.and they can go and you would not miss them.
1 mcmahon delist.
2 polak delist.
3 white dlist.
4 simmonds retire.
5 graham delist.
6 jackson trade/delist.
7 king delist
8 thomson delist.
9 nahas delist.
10 hislop delist.
11 mcguane trade/delist.
12 tuck.delist.
thats 12 in a rough order and theres plenty others you just know will/should join them the yr after. none of the 12 are babys they have all had a chance to prove themselves in the afl system. for all sorts of reasons they are in the gun.
agree with claw 100%
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Haig was an imbecile. He was pythonesque in his stupidity but after Haig came Monash and showed how things should be done.
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it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.
I'm impressed Claw - you do know a bit about military history (a favorite subject of mine). :thumbsup
had no choice about it. the old man fought in ww2.learnt about that war at an early age. great uncle fought in ww1 is buried in france. another came home with only one arm. uncle jake dads brother fought in middle east brother and in law fought in vietnam. yeah military history has played a big part in my life.
Pretty much my background too. I'm 3rd generation Army in my family and have 2 sons and ex son-in-law in currently so that makes the 4th. It's the only reading I do nowadays (apart from footy forums ;) ) - I can't read anything fiction ie. that I don't know to be true. Then again, what am I doing on here? ;D
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[yep its a reason or even the single reason why glass half fulls like jackson get a game. simmo probably hislop whos in his 4th yr of afl i hope the club can make a decision on him this yr. tuck is probably another although tucky brings much more to the table than jackson.
if i was planning for three or four yrs time the first thing i would be doing is asking who is going to be there and why, who is not and why. with the latter the next obvious q is how many have enough positives to possibly be turned around.
based on strengths, weakness, and performance, with age and potential upside as an over ride, the following players have to go.
but also remember we may be ,forced to keep the odd big experienced body who are deficient, because as we knew ages ago and are relearning in a hard way you cant compete without good structure and adequate size and height.
anyway those who have to go.and they can go and you would not miss them.
1 mcmahon delist.
2 polak delist.
3 white dlist.
4 simmonds retire.
5 graham delist.
6 jackson trade/delist.
7 king delist
8 thomson delist.
9 nahas delist.
10 hislop delist.
11 mcguane trade/delist.
12 tuck.delist.
thats 12 in a rough order and theres plenty others you just know will/should join them the yr after. none of the 12 are babys they have all had a chance to prove themselves in the afl system. for all sorts of reasons they are in the gun.
Good posting claw.
You always have justified your reasoning and on the whole remained consistent (even if not always correct) rather than just being a purely negative whinger.
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It all comes back to what can only be described as very average recruiting. We have not had a proper Centre half back in ages. No contingency plan was put into place until too late regarding replacing Richo. Hardwick was left with a terrible mess. With the exception of Polak Tuck and Nahas agree with claw.
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Hardwick was left with a terrible mess.
Of course he was. Yet some would have you believe it's all his fault that the players aren't good enough yet. ::)
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But MM you are forgetting it is all about the game plan, it doesn't matter that our list are practically boys competing against men.
Hardwick needs to be punished and thoroughly too, put him in a room with Jack who can fill him in with his views on rfc coaches and how he wrongly got the rs by wallace for being a spud.