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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on March 26, 2010, 11:40:10 AM
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First off I'm a Newman fan, I was one of his biggest fans before he was captain and thought he was the best choice for the role when it became vacant. Played with heart, put his body on the line and was our most reliable kick of the ball out of the backline.
I was at the race when they ran out last night and saw how all players went about the warm up and how they ran onto the ground up close and personal.
I've listened to KB and the likes talk about how ridiculous it is for Trent to be in the leadership group.
We all saw the game and how all players played and carried themselves.
Weighing all of this up the sooner Trent is our clubs captain the better (If he wants it).
This is an example why:
Our local cricket side out in the far east had not won a Division 1 premiership since 1934 and were sitting in Division 2 with very few finals appearances. We would throw money at past district players to come and play, who would always fail and never brought us success. Our junior program went through a very fortunate dynasty in the late 90's early 2000's thanks to the success of the Australian cricket team and junior cricket participation was high and our Senior list grew that way. This brought through about 30 young players over the space of the last decade to develop. All talented enough and developed accordingly very well.
In the 2000's we missed out just to make the finals the 3 seasons in a row, with the addition of these new younger guys along with our older core group of experienced players. 2 years ago our great club captain of 20 years retired along with 2 other long serving players that were hanging around trying to get the club into Division 1, as a result our list now looked extremely raw with no-one experienced to lead them. We were tipped to be playing Division 3 by the following season.
A 19 year old kid came to the executive committee in April 2008 and put his hand up saying he wanted to captain the club and lead us into Division 1, and that he will defer his Uni course to do so. This was as kid who has played 1 season of Senior 1sts. It wasn't decided he would captain for sometime and was eventually appointed, only after we failed to sign an experienced player do lead the club, so as a Plan B we went with the young man.
Cut the story short, our senior side with an average age of 21, our captain of 19 years old; a fresh young leader that all players related to socially, personally and professionally, the club had the competitions first ever undefeated season and went on to win the Division 2 premiership.
The club was in Division 1 for the first time since the 1980's and the fairy tale continued somewhat with the same side making the Grand Final in Division 1 only to lose with 4 overs to spare. Coming from a club that was all but finished and washed away to Division 3 we made a Division 1 GF in the space of 24 months.
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Why is this relevant to RFC? Trent Cotchin?
I can promise you the reason why it was turned around was the combination of the following:
- Fresh leadership that 100% of the playing group related to and respected and admired.
- Further developed committed youngsters that had nothing to lose.
This is relevant because, as much as I'll defend Chris Newman on most occasions IMO Trent needs to be captain. Not because he's the most promising player but they way he handles himself on field and by all accounts off field, Trent's leadership is part of the clubs transformation.
Its the little things, when the boys ran out Trent was 3rd out of the race, he turned around and made an effort to tap every single RFC player on the shoulder as they ran out after him. He's also not a downhill skier.
As the most pro-Newman poster on here (most likely) I have never been so confident that the sooner Cotchin is our captain the better our clubs transformation will be. I'm not comfortable with dropping a captain mid season, I'm a little bit disappointed we'll have to wait till next year at the soonest but for mine it must happen.
Sorry for the enormous post but it has some significance and comparisons to where we are at. :gotigers
P.S Sorry Chris.
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My daughter ( 7 years old ) said to me after the game, Dad, did Chris Newman play tonight ??
Say no more.
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It kills me to say that Newman isn't the man for the job. But thats coming from a Pro-Newman man. Hate to think what everyone else thinks lol.
KB said young leadership is laughable etc. With so much young talent coming through I think they'd relate and look up to a guy like Trent Cotchin alot more than guys like Newman/Johnson/Cambell etc who are captain in the late 20s and have had very very little success as captains.
Let the Leadership/Captain transform with the group.
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No player deserves to be Captain at our club at the moment, when someone puts their hand up on field then fair enough but for now I might as well be Captain that is how much leadership is being shown on field.
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great post popelord and I agree with where you are coming from. Sometimes you need to bite the bullet and go the whole shebang - the cultural change needs to be complete. Newman comes from an era of selfish save your own behind first culture that has dogged this club since the mid 90's, not saying he does it on purpose it simply becomes ingrained on a subconcious level after a period of time, its obvious in his conditioning, (not truly afl fit, can't run the lines, won't take risks with his beautiful left foot 60 metre passes down the ground), all this is now ingrained into his gameday psyche. We now have more young blokes than the older "earn your stripes before you can speak" type blokes ::) we've had at the club, so give it to one who can relate to the new breed trying to stamp their own culture on the club - T.Cotchin with J.Reiwoldt his (vc) are the perfect candidates and the only 2 at this stage who really stand out
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My daughter ( 7 years old ) said to me after the game, Dad, did Chris Newman play tonight ??
Say no more.
Newman decision making is terrible
is that lad on something cause he has been strange
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Tuck should have been made captain
Hails from a football family with great credentials, you cant get any better football advice from people like his Father & Uncles
Consistant footballer over many seasons & always rated well in the B&F
Gives 100% & is always a tryer
Would take the preasure of players who can receive the captaincy in years to come
Make players earn the right to be captain
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Tuck should have been made captain
Hails from a football family with great credentials, you cant get any better football advice from people like his Father & Uncles
Consistant footballer over many seasons & always rated well in the B&F
Gives 100% & is always a tryer
Would take the preasure of players who can receive the captaincy in years to come
Make players earn the right to be captain
now your just taking the pee monky ;D
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No player deserves to be Captain at our club at the moment, when someone puts their hand up on field then fair enough but for now I might as well be Captain that is how much leadership is being shown on field.
Jackson deserves it. Very smart guy, and gives his all each and every week. Did you see him trying to fight off the medical staff to keep playing with a concussion? That's the kind of stuff that inspires the kids.
Tuck should have been made captain
Hails from a football family with great credentials, you cant get any better football advice from people like his Father & Uncles
Consistant footballer over many seasons & always rated well in the B&F
Gives 100% & is always a tryer
Would take the preasure of players who can receive the captaincy in years to come
Make players earn the right to be captain
Tuck may be a trier, but he's a few cards short of a deck. Not captain material.
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Tuck should have been made captain
Hails from a football family with great credentials, you cant get any better football advice from people like his Father & Uncles
Consistant footballer over many seasons & always rated well in the B&F
Gives 100% & is always a tryer
Would take the preasure of players who can receive the captaincy in years to come
Make players earn the right to be captain
now your just taking the pee monky ;D
;D
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Jackson and Tuck both can't kick. You can't have a captain that can't kick better than a 50% success rate.
"Do as I do, not as I say"
Come in Trent.
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Jackson kick in the 2nd quarter sums up his career. tries hard , aint good enough.
We need match winners , not duds
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Tuck should have been made captain
That's funny.
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Jackson kick in the 2nd quarter sums up his career. tries hard , aint good enough.
We need match winners , not duds
I'd go as far to say that we just need good players. Forget about matchwinners. Even the best sides onlyt have one or two genuine matchwinners.
Flogs like Jackson just need to elevate themselves to 'good' status for us to be better. At the moment, I would rate him as 'borderline'.
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Newman dont have what it takes.
All he has is a long kick.
Put a loser in charge and u lose.
None of these bunnies can stand up when it's tuff.
Add lids and u have a recipe that compels me to kick the stuff out of both of them
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leave newman as captain at the moment dont want to change to much around the club while we are learnign a new style. Definitely change him once we start to rise up over the next couple of years.
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Any chance replying to Cotchin being captain as early as next year instead of nominating every single player and how bad they are...
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We get it. You don't like Newman and Deledio. You don't have to put it in every thread.
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Jackson and Tuck both can't kick. You can't have a captain that can't kick better than a 50% success rate.
"Do as I do, not as I say"
Come in Trent.
Tuck is a very good kick thankyou
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tc worked into the game he still has a way to go to match his reputation for mine, I reralise he has missed a heap of footy and will get better ea week but he needs to begin having a real influenece on the game before proclaimations start
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Jackson and Tuck both can't kick. You can't have a captain that can't kick better than a 50% success rate.
"Do as I do, not as I say"
Come in Trent.
Tuck is a very good kick thankyou
yeah nah, pretty average kick actually, and yes he's a few cards short of a deck, not captaincy material lol
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Cotchin has done nothing yet to suggest he is captain material, in fact no one has
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Cotchin has done nothing yet to suggest he is captain material, in fact no one has
thats right Daniel
Cotchin is not even a proven footballer at AFL level, his not a match winner yet
Last night l reckon l could have tagged him he was that slow & some of you think his GOD, but his done absolutely nothing to boast about
Until he becomes a consistant player of the likes of Brent Harvey (Kangaroos) he is just a rookie in big pants & small payments who's future is no brighter than Nahas
Richmond being the clubthey are would be rewarding him without results already, & thats the downfall of the club that peees me off
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We get it. You don't like Newman and Deledio. You don't have to put it in every thread.
Edit: That would be a yes from Ox ;)
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If you want to draw parallels to the Hawks where Dimma learned his trade.
Newman = Vandenberg
Will be captain till end of 2012.
After 2012 ends it is either Lids or Cotchin.
There is no other way.
Newman cannot lead us to glory. Too many bad habits infiltrating his game.
In the comfort zone and don't like it. Would love to see Dimma drop him if this attitude continues to persist.
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Id rather we try an of load him at years end. Last chance to get rid of him as a player in a player for player swap. We need a ruckman maybe Newman can be used to get one.
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anyone notice Cotch speak to the players on the field after the siren on the field.
Leadership material that kid by geez we need something because Newman although played well doesnt give you that spark.
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Again another introverted choice of man just like Johnson was.
A bloke who can hold men in the palm of his hand and get them to follow his lead unequivocally without question is the way to go.
Newman is a good soldier but a poor leader. What we need is an excellent soldier who is a good leader.
Has to be a midfielder or a forward who can inspire with his on field actions. A captains mark a captains goal a captain who puts his head over the ball takes a blow while he is bent over and gets up with the ball whilst his opponent is writhing in pain.
Ie Jonathon Brown, Wayne Carey, Michael Voss.
The days of the loyal gritty back pocket/backman player who unassumingly plays 200 games ala Chris McDermott, Danny Frawley are over.
You need a fresh approach someone with the spirit noise vigor good looks and power of XA GT 351 with the deftness and touch of a Rudolf Nureyev and a man of grace words and an undying spirit like Winston Churchill.
Newman is not that man.
PS the XA GT 351 can easily be substituted as a HQ 308 Monaro for our Holden friends.
:thumbsup
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Cotchin has done nothing yet to suggest he is captain material, in fact no one has
anyone notice Cotch speak to the players on the field after the siren on the field.
Leadership material that kid by geez we need something because Newman although played well doesnt give you that spark.
a few noticed this very early on in the piece which is why some feel he's our best option
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Cotchin was amazing yesterday.
I thought Newman also was very good.
I just love the way Cotchin goes about it, makes an effort to get to everyone and tap them on the back and he isn't afraid to scruff it up was in 2 tussles one with Lake and one with another. Just good to see his passion and keeness for the side.
I think what obvious with the whole team no change of coach, captain or trade will change things in a hurry, it's just going to be a long transformation and development in time.
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Great game by Cotch last night.
Can't believe those rumours were circulating saying he was gone because of injuries.
Best thing last night was seeing Cotch, Lids and Martin go about their business, just wait to we get a decent side around them.
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cotch is gun.....enough said
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Cotchin was amazing yesterday.
I thought Newman also was very good.
I just love the way Cotchin goes about it, makes an effort to get to everyone and tap them on the back and he isn't afraid to scruff it up was in 2 tussles one with Lake and one with another. Just good to see his passion and keeness for the side.
I think what obvious with the whole team no change of coach, captain or trade will change things in a hurry, it's just going to be a long transformation and development in time.
as hard as it is to watch this is very true..
its going to be a long hard road
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We should auction off "honourary captain" to the public, let them lead us out (and maybe play by round ten) and put the money in a term deposit till free agency
In all seriousness what do we know about cotchin at this stage?
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Again another introverted choice of man just like Johnson was.
A bloke who can hold men in the palm of his hand and get them to follow his lead unequivocally without question is the way to go.
Newman is a good soldier but a poor leader. What we need is an excellent soldier who is a good leader.
Has to be a midfielder or a forward who can inspire with his on field actions. A captains mark a captains goal a captain who puts his head over the ball takes a blow while he is bent over and gets up with the ball whilst his opponent is writhing in pain.
Ie Jonathon Brown, Wayne Carey, Michael Voss.
The days of the loyal gritty back pocket/backman player who unassumingly plays 200 games ala Chris McDermott, Danny Frawley are over.
You need a fresh approach someone with the spirit noise vigor good looks and power of XA GT 351 with the deftness and touch of a Rudolf Nureyev and a man of grace words and an undying spirit like Winston Churchill.
Newman is not that man.
PS the XA GT 351 can easily be substituted as a HQ 308 Monaro for our Holden friends.
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So true. Newman is not a captain's sausage sizzler. Played like a loose man in defence most of the night, even though he actually had a forward to mind. Too many times when he got the ball he would hand off to players such as jackson and connors who are lesser kicks than him and not in any better position. It was like he did not want the resposability.
Before he became captain, at least sometimes he would run and kick long to the forward line.
I don't know what leadership qualities he shows around the club, but he shows none on the ground come match day
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cant wait to see a fit cousins in there with martin lids and cotch
the thought gives me a chubby
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cant wait to see a fit cousins in there with martin lids and cotch
the thought gives me a chubby
we would still get smashed by SYD
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Trent Cotchin is a Tiger! :)
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All pretty good posts. My personal beliefe is that Newman doesn't and never has even wanted to be captain. He is the sort of bloke (imo) that would prefer to just be a player and not have the responsibillity of captain. I like the idea of Cotch as captain next year and this would also ensure he stays a Tiger for a long time yet.
I think it would fast track his maturity as a footballer and as a few have said, would allow him to grow into the roll as well as grow with his team mates.