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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 08, 2010, 12:52:13 AM
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Tigers in dire need of extra help from AFL
JAKE NIALL
April 8, 2010
IN THEORY, the expansion of the competition will hurt all 16 clubs, which will lose players to the Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney. In theory, the pain will be spread more or less evenly, as the new teams pick the eyes, ears and vital organs out of the 2010 and 2011 drafts, leaving only scraps for the rest.
In reality, the Richmond Football Club, the least successful club in the competition over the past quarter century, stands to be the biggest loser from expansion. It is a situation that ought to concern the AFL, which should be more mindful of the impact of expansion on the weak than the strong.
The Richmond administration must approach the AFL soon and argue the case that, as the foremost victim of expansion, it is entitled to compensation. The AFL ought to lend a sympathetic ear.
If it is prepared to reconsider Geelong's hypothetical compensation for losing Gary Ablett, then it also must consider carefully the impact of losing premium draft picks on the hapless Tigers, whose supporters have seen barely five minutes of on-field sunshine since 1982. They cannot hang on forever.
In the modern AFL, it is the promise of blue skies - via a Riewoldt, Hodge or Cooney - that sustains the hope and interest of supporters. Richmond's faithful, already tortured by serial failure, have less hope without AFL intervention.
There is a logical way of giving Richmond the assistance it desperately needs that doesn't interfere with the next two drafts.
Richmond is bottoming out in 2010 and, unless Damien Hardwick has supernatural coaching powers, will finish bottom two this year. The state of its playing list is comparable to Melbourne in 2008, when the Demons won three games and finished last, and to Carlton of 2005 or 2006, both spoon years.
The critical difference between Melbourne of 2008, Carlton of 2005-6 and Tigers of today is that the Dees and Blues were given access to the best talent via the draft; Carlton had pick one three times, the Demons earned pick one twice and pick two once, plus an extra choice inside the first 20. Richmond will not be so well compensated for its misery. As a result of the Gold Coast's entry, the best possible draft pick Richmond can hope for in 2010 - even if it won one or two games - would be pick No 4. Its second choice would be in the late 20s.
But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Bear in mind, too, that the draft pool is already diluted by the dozen 17-year-olds that the Gold Coast have signed, and that GWS has the same deal. Pick four, thus, is really tantamount to pick six or seven. The currency of the picks is devalued. The Tigers are getting paid in New Zealand dollars.
Leigh Matthews has suggested that Richmond and Melbourne, as competition weaklings, should be quarantined from Gold Coast raids on their players. Philosophically, Matthews is correct in identifying that the worst teams lose more from expansion, but his remedy - having their uncontracted players off limits - doesn't really help Richmond.
The Tigers have already re-signed Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin. Dustin Martin aside, there aren't many others whom the new clubs would want. Richmond, in any case, will struggle to reach the minimum salary cap of 92.5 per cent next year and will probably have to ''front load'' contracts.
While Richmond's present wounds are self-inflicted over a decade, the same is true of most bottom teams. Hawthorn and St Kilda were given the opportunity to right the ship, as were Carlton - which was further punished for cheating the salary cap - and Melbourne.
Melbourne has no need for special help, having bottomed out in the nick of time. North could be another significant loser. But the Roos have not been as dismal for as long, and have a more competitive playing list.
Realistically, how can the AFL salve the Tigers' wounds? It cannot give them an extra pick, since it has committed those choices to the new teams.
Allowing the Tigers to sign uncontracted players, a year or two before free agency, is one possibility. But a far better form of assistance would be to allow Richmond access to the best 16-year-old in the land at the end of 2010, or the best 17-year-old in 2011. In effect, it would be given a No 1 pick one or two years in advance.
The Richmond faithful need a reason to remain faithful. And, as it embarks upon a costly expansion, the AFL should recognise that Richmond, with its large dormant fan base, is perhaps the only commercial ''upside'' remaining in its Victorian heartland.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-in-dire-need-of-extra-help-from-afl-20100407-rs5g.html?rand=1270645985906
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Niall has to be a Richmond supporter. :P
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we'd still make a hash of it if we picked the supposed best 16 yo mind you, if you could pick up a 16 yo in November with your last pick in the draft then thats not bad at all. In the meantime we should ask for:
1 - 16 yo pick to be available at the end of 2010 national draft
1 - 17 yo pick to be available at the end of 2011 national draft
2 - Uncontracted players who can be signed without compo to other clubs at the end of 2010
2 - Uncontracted players who can be signed without compo to other clubs at the end of 2011
I think thats fair enough.
There should be no age requirement on the uncontracted players we can sign. If we got these concessions and once again stuffed it up then we may as well close the joint. Whilst people want to go with youth all the time, if we could argue that we should be allowed to get access to 4 uncontracted players over 2 years and we werent smart enough to get some decent players then we would deserve to stay bottom for 50 years.
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And if that doesnt work the club should take the AFL to court re: the National Draft and Salary Cap and have both systems declared illegal. We were only a success in a free agency world, so thats where we should head. Richmond is still a big club, you cant have young players like Tom Scully going to Melbourne when he barracks for Richmond - its not on!
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Dangerous that the journos thinks we are on death row.... membership numbers seem to show that it isn't the case, but it is dangerous because it affects perception and sponsorship and marketing opportunities.
Just the last week or so people have taken this doomsday attitude, despite a fair amount of optimistic stuff written pre-season. Results have been ordinary, but everyone knew this year is a write off.
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I can't see the AFL changing the rules especially for us with the AFL's two new precious babies about to come in. Now I won't say no if we are offered some concession lol but our probs are tragically self-inflicted as has been the case for the past 30 years. We're going to have to get ourselves out of this mess the hard way via picks 4, 27, 44, etc if we come last as it looks like we will.
But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Now I thought priority picks were scrapped while the new teams will be raiding the next two drafts or at least the AFL was leaving PPs to its own discretion? If the above is true and there are PPs in this year's draft then Craig Cameron and anyone else at Richmond who didn't demand Rawlings pick sides and make moves to restrict our wins last year to 4 or less should be held accountable. If the above is true then that meaningless win against Melboune and draw against North has cost us having both picks 4 and 6 in this year's draft on top of costing us another top 20 pick in the 2009 draft. Please tell me the Niall is wrong or I will do this :banghead.
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I can't see the AFL changing the rules especially for us with the AFL's two new precious babies about to come in. Now I won't say no if we are offered some concession lol but our probs are tragically self-inflicted as has been the case for the past 30 years. We're going to have to get ourselves out of this mess the hard way via picks 4, 27, 44, etc if we come last as it looks like we will.
But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Now I thought priority picks were scrapped while the new teams will be raiding the next two drafts or at least the AFL was leaving PPs to its own discretion? If the above is true and there are PPs in this year's draft then Craig Cameron and anyone else at Richmond who didn't demand Rawlings pick sides and make moves to restrict our wins last year to 4 or less should be held accountable. If the above is true then that meaningless win against Melboune and draw against North has cost us having both picks 4 and 6 in this year's draft on top of costing us another top 20 pick in the 2009 draft. Please tell me the Niall is wrong or I will do this :banghead.
common MT ... it was all about that thing that some of our idiotic supporters call "winning culture" :lol
winning culture always has a price in a socialist type system like a draft. dont know why our supporters are whinging most of em were deliriously happy when McMahon kicked the goal lol ....
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I can't see the AFL changing the rules especially for us with the AFL's two new precious babies about to come in. Now I won't say no if we are offered some concession lol but our probs are tragically self-inflicted as has been the case for the past 30 years. We're going to have to get ourselves out of this mess the hard way via picks 4, 27, 44, etc if we come last as it looks like we will.
But finishing last is much preferable to being 15th, particularly if Melbourne unexpectedly takes its third consecutive spoon with no more than four wins. Under the rules, the Demons would then earn a priority selection and receive the first two non-Gold Coast draft picks (No 4 and No 6). The Tigers, who have a weaker playing list, would get No 8. If North Melbourne was last, the Tigers would receive No 6.
Now I thought priority picks were scrapped while the new teams will be raiding the next two drafts or at least the AFL was leaving PPs to its own discretion? If the above is true and there are PPs in this year's draft then Craig Cameron and anyone else at Richmond who didn't demand Rawlings pick sides and make moves to restrict our wins last year to 4 or less should be held accountable. If the above is true then that meaningless win against Melboune and draw against North has cost us having both picks 4 and 6 in this year's draft on top of costing us another top 20 pick in the 2009 draft. Please tell me the Niall is wrong or I will do this :banghead.
common MT ... it was all about that thing that some of our idiotic supporters call "winning culture" :lol
winning culture always has a price in a socialist type system like a draft. dont know why our supporters are whinging most of em were deliriously happy when McMahon kicked the goal lol ....
Not me. I walked out embarrassed to have won a game like that. First and only time in my life I didn't sing the song after a win. Yep that game was all about a "winning culture" ::) :chuck
I still want to know if priority picks will still be handed out this year? If just 1.5 wins more has cost us one top 6 pick and another top 20 pick there should be hell to pay.
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The AFL won't change the rules.
We should have bent the rules the way others did if we wanted extra help.
We have had 1 finals series in the last decade finished bottom twice and most likely finish bottom again this year so that's 3 times in 9 years since our last finals series and finished bottom 3 in 2002-03-09 had a chance to use our pick 2 in 02 when Carlscum were denied draft picks for salary cap rorts and we still didn't get a priority pick.
Poorly coached, poorly managed poorly thought out. We have ourselves to blame.
AFL won't change the rules now. You'd think a decade of mediocrity would result in a few priority picks but no we stuff that up too.
Yep the Melbourne game last year was the last straw. Killed any hope we had. Can't blame McMahon he did what he is paid to do. Classic case of even when we win we lose.
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We are in a bad posistion but were aren't any worse off compared to when Carlton was at it's lowest point. Imagine if we were scrapped out of this draft.. They gave up 2 first rounders and a KP gun kid forward for Judd. Will hurt them in 5 years when he retires and the likes of Kruezar etc will be starting at there peak. You don't have to have priority picks to go from bottom 4 to top 4
Freo will play finals this year and havent had a top 2 draft pick in the past decade.
It's not sunny times but it's not doomsday
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Freo will play finals this year and havent had a top 2 draft pick in the past decade.
It's not sunny times but it's not doomsday
Agree totally popelord. Priority picks are useful, and very valuable but if the future of our club, and the success of 3-0-75, is dependent on getting priority picks in some of the worst drafts since the draft's inception we have much deeper problems at play.
We need to learn to find and develop quality players outside the first round of picks - it's been done before and it will be done again I just hope it is done by us!
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The Melbourne Tigers! :whistle
Original tenants of the Gee to merge :banghead .
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The Melbourne Tigers! :whistle
Original tenants of the Gee to merge :banghead .
I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, but could you imagine the midfield in that team?
Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Scully, Trengove, C Morton, Grimes
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The Melbourne Tigers! :whistle
Original tenants of the Gee to merge :banghead .
I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, but could you imagine the midfield in that team?
Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Scully, Trengove, C Morton, Grimes
NOW that would be a premiship side :thumbsup
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and able to boast 23 premierships. :lol
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I couldn't stand a merger with the dees.
I'd take a 50/50 coin flip chance of survival rather than merge with them. I don't even have grudging respect for them.
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Melbourne and Richmond were the fist two clubs correct?
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Melbourne and Richmond were the fist two clubs correct?
Nope Melbourne & Geelong
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why is the one of the MCG's end is called Punt road end ?
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Because that end is on Punt Road
Kind of how the other end is called the city end, because the city is there
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prefer to wear it and prove the doubters wrong and then stick it right
where the sun doesnt shine.
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have to admit talk about merging is going overboard and beyond the pale.
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For those who think we have problems and are the worst skilled team in the competition then you should take the time to watch a replay of today's game between North and West Coast. North were terrible and West Coast even worse. I don't think I have ever seen a game of such poor skills over 4 quarters in my life.
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Looks like the AFL will change the rule regarding compo for elite players like Ablett to two first round draft picks.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/champions-worth-two-draft-picks-20100415-shkl.html
So the AFL can change policy on the run.
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wont affect us will it ? ::) ::) ::)
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Looks like the AFL will change the rule regarding compo for elite players like Ablett to two first round draft picks.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/champions-worth-two-draft-picks-20100415-shkl.html
So the AFL can change policy on the run.
AFL has policy? ;)
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Emma Quayle's article using Melbourne as a reason for the AFL not to have Priority Picks
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-stuff-20100424-tkrb.html
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Emma Quale just shows up what a mud racking hack with no idea about football Caro is.
She must really have to watch her back as Caro would feel threatened having a female sports journalist working for the same paper who is not just a token.
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Melbourne played the system like maestros and timed their finish to coincide with the new teams coming in to perfection. They will be strong and weather the draft concession storm at our expense.
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Melbourne played the system like maestros and timed their finish to coincide with the new teams coming in to perfection. They will be strong and weather the draft concession storm at our expense.
Agree totally we didnt play it to our advantage enough and a fair few of the picks we had turned out to be wasted
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Try most picks over the past 5-8 years have been wasted.
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Melbourne played the system like maestros and timed their finish to coincide with the new teams coming in to perfection. They will be strong and weather the draft concession storm at our expense.
For us as a club and most of our supporters it was about developing winning cultures HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
We are so stupid as a club we didnt even know how to tank properly.
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No we didn't, we showed integrity and didn't tank, we did try and win with what we had and genuinely needed help. Melbourne worked the system like the bunch of cheats that they are and have now drawn attention to themselves and also ...to our situation, much like Carlton did, but even moreso now. This might add weight to the case of restoring some compensation our way if we do bottom out this year, as we have been genuinely poor performing whereas clubs like Melbourne have obviously worked the system to our detriment robbing genuinely struggling clubs of the help they needed.
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No we didn't, we showed integrity and didn't tank, we did try and win with what we had and genuinely needed help. Melbourne worked the system like the bunch of cheats that they are and have now drawn attention to themselves and also ...to our situation, much like Carlton did, but even moreso now. This might add weight to the case of restoring some compensation our way if we do bottom out this year, as we have been genuinely poor performing whereas clubs like Melbourne have obviously worked the system to our detriment robbing genuinely struggling clubs of the help they needed.
LOL- you cant be serious? In afl Integrity doesnt mean poo, Its dog eat dog, and in this caper you need to use the system to get the best players, Melbourne used the system to get the best players, instead we had players kicking goals after sirens to win games, jumping up and down like idiots not realising that the other mob was tanking lol. Our club behaved like delinquents and we are where we are and in the end its our fault, winning culture at Punt Rd is rubbish, you cant turn poo into gold, we dont have and havent had enough quality players for years now.
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you just cant see the forest for the trees can you Ramps?
Our problem is not that we did not engage in match fixing.
It is simply that we have not drafted/developed players.
An extra few draft choices would not have helped because we have'nt been able to utilise them properly.
We have had plenty of early draft picks over the last decade, but either wasted them or traded them.
You think the Melbourne players themselves were tanking? Have a look at their reaction after the game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbFil3lspL0&playnext_from=TL&videos=SjokBsrpv10
Any player that does not go out to win every time you don't want in your side.
If jordie had missed that goal everyone would be saying it highlights how crap he is, yet he kicked it and people still want to bag him for it. Unbelievable.
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No we didn't, we showed integrity and didn't tank, we did try and win with what we had and genuinely needed help. Melbourne worked the system like the bunch of cheats that they are and have now drawn attention to themselves and also ...to our situation, much like Carlton did, but even moreso now. This might add weight to the case of restoring some compensation our way if we do bottom out this year, as we have been genuinely poor performing whereas clubs like Melbourne have obviously worked the system to our detriment robbing genuinely struggling clubs of the help they needed.
LOL- you cant be serious? In afl Integrity doesnt mean poo, Its dog eat dog, and in this caper you need to use the system to get the best players, Melbourne used the system to get the best players, instead we had players kicking goals after sirens to win games, jumping up and down like idiots not realising that the other mob was tanking lol. Our club behaved like delinquents and we are where we are and in the end its our fault, winning culture at Punt Rd is rubbish, you cant turn poo into gold, we dont have and havent had enough quality players for years now.
You can't deliberately lose or you are a cheat. I believe Melbourne coached them to a loss that game, they had tons of players playing out of position and it was just dodgy. Our players looked like they wanted to win it and I think the Melbourne players did too. But there were shenanigans afoot. These shenanigans are now patently obvious to the media and the AFL. The pressure has been applied to some extent with a few articles, but now the pressure will increase with what has unfolded making certain facts obvious and with how these drafts are going to further deny RFC the same compensations that other clubs have enjoyed, particularly when in fact, they have enjoyed them at our expense when perhaps they were not really in need of them and we obviously were.
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you just cant see the forest for the trees can you Ramps?
Our problem is not that we did not engage in match fixing.
It is simply that we have not drafted/developed players.
An extra few draft choices would not have helped because we have'nt been able to utilise them properly.
We have had plenty of early draft picks over the last decade, but either wasted them or traded them.
You think the Melbourne players themselves were tanking? Have a look at their reaction after the game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbFil3lspL0&playnext_from=TL&videos=SjokBsrpv10
Any player that does not go out to win every time you don't want in your side.
If jordie had missed that goal everyone would be saying it highlights how crap he is, yet he kicked it and people still want to bag him for it. Unbelievable.
I can see the forest from the trees - pity most of our supporters cant see it the same way. Tanking is not match fixing- playing young players is not match fixing, trying players in different positions is not match fixing, tanking is a necessary part of developing your player list. Did you see Trengove yesterday, thats who Melbourne got for Tanking!
We should have tanked- and we didnt! And now we will be stranded on the bottom for years to come probably. Winning culture and all the rest is rubbish. If you aint got any players, no matter how much winning culture you want to have, your still not going to win any games. Last year, what we did in the Melbourne game was the biggest act of delinquency Ive seen in years, players jumping up and down after McMahons goal- what a farce!
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you just cant see the forest for the trees can you Ramps?
Our problem is not that we did not engage in match fixing.
It is simply that we have not drafted/developed players.
An extra few draft choices would not have helped because we have'nt been able to utilise them properly.
We have had plenty of early draft picks over the last decade, but either wasted them or traded them.
I was in Vegas at the time and wanted to smash my I phone against the wall.
The dees like Carlton, buldogs, hawks and pies before them have used the system beautifully whilst we celebrated a last win for our ever gracious coach Wallace.
Yes yes all those teams are cheats aren't they.
Please give me a break
You think the Melbourne players themselves were tanking? Have a look at their reaction after the game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbFil3lspL0&playnext_from=TL&videos=SjokBsrpv10
Any player that does not go out to win every time you don't want in your side.
If jordie had missed that goal everyone would be saying it highlights how crap he is, yet he kicked it and people still want to bag him for it. Unbelievable.
I can see the forest from the trees - pity most of our supporters cant see it the same way. Tanking is not match fixing- playing young players is not match fixing, trying players in different positions is not match fixing, tanking is a necessary part of developing your player list. Did you see Trengove yesterday, thats who Melbourne got for Tanking!
We should have tanked- and we didnt! And now we will be stranded on the bottom for years to come probably. Winning culture and all the rest is rubbish. If you aint got any players, no matter how much winning culture you want to have, your still not going to win any games. Last year, what we did in the Melbourne game was the biggest act of delinquency Ive seen in years, players jumping up and down after McMahons goal- what a farce!
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Deliberately setting out to lose is match fixing - you cant fix a match by trying to win.
If you talk about playing kids or even trying players in different positions as part of development, then yes i agree that is different. It's not tanking though. Tanking to me is deliberatlety setting out to loose and that is match fixing.To blatently try players in a different positions at the expense of winning a game you are in a position to do so is match fixing, or tanking.
This is what the coaching staff at Melbourne did last year. They wanted to loose. That is match fixing and that is cheating.
Were st kilda tanking last year when they rested a heap of senior players last year? No they weren't. The fact that they won says that, but would people still give the same answer if they had lost ? They had no legitimate reason to deliberately lose. They were simply resting players with an eye on the bigger picture and were prepared to accept the possible consequences ie losing one game, but they did not set out to lose that game (if they did they failed ;D)
As for the players celebrating a win. If there is something wrong with that, then the whole thing if stuffed. You show me a player that does not want to win every game they play and that's one player I don't want in the side I follow.
Having played in sides that struggle to win a game I know the elation you feel when you finally do.
Surely our poor drafting/development is a bigger problem than the players celebrating winning a game that some people were wanting us to loose.
Personally, I'd be happy to see the priority picks scrapped or exchanged for something like an extra few spots on the list for a year or two, because the whole issue of tanking, match fixing or whatever you want to call deliberately losing, is a blight on the game.
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If we had picked up a trengrove or kruzer I'm sure you will be singing a different tune al.
Call it what you want but the fact is we are the only team not to use this draft system to our advantage, and we are the only team who still struggles year are after.
Combined with development of the kids are the 2 biggest fuckups this club makes year after year
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Tankers will come unstuck just like other cheats soon. Someone will own up, blow the whistle or uncover something eventually, just like what happened with the Storm etc. Tanking is match fixing, it affects betting, it is against the law like deliberately losing a horse race or throwing a boxing match.
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If the Melbourne football club was a racehorse punters would be screaming for a swab right now.
Strom get caught rorting the system MFC & Carlton don't
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Tankers will come unstuck just like other cheats soon. Someone will own up, blow the whistle or uncover something eventually, just like what happened with the Storm etc. Tanking is match fixing, it affects betting, it is against the law like deliberately losing a horse race or throwing a boxing match.
LOL
Even if someone comes out and says I think I was part of a tank, the club will say, we were playing young players, we were experimenting in new positions, trying to develop our players- END OF STORY.
Against Melbourne last year- our club behaved like a group of DELINQUENTS- jumping up and down like idiots after the final siren, even the Melbourne supporters where jumping and down- and they had every right to coz in the end they got Trengove whose a star in the making. And we're effin around with a group of players most of whom wouldnt get a game for Mitcham.
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If the Melbourne football club was a racehorse punters would be screaming for a swab right now.
Strom get caught rorting the system MFC & Carlton don't
mfc and cfc have done no such thing they have operated within the rules and used them in a smart way. nothing smart about how the rfc have gone about it since the inception of the draft.
in recent yrs finishing 9th with no hope of becoming a force has been more important to the club and its deluded supporters than maximising the rules we have to work with and thus being smart and giving ourselves the best possible chance of building something sustainable..
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If the Melbourne football club was a racehorse punters would be screaming for a swab right now.
Strom get caught rorting the system MFC & Carlton don't
mfc and cfc have done no such thing they have operated within the rules and used them in a smart way. nothing smart about how the rfc have gone about it since the inception of the draft.
in recent yrs finishing 9th with no hope of becoming a force has been more important to the club and its deluded supporters than maximising the rules we have to work with and thus being smart and giving ourselves the best possible chance of building something sustainable..
And then we either pick up undersized midgets or have players who under perform or we cant develop players to reach there potential, ist not the AFL fault
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Melbourne played the system like maestros and timed their finish to coincide with the new teams coming in to perfection. They will be strong and weather the draft concession storm at our expense.
For us as a club and most of our supporters it was about developing winning cultures HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
We are so stupid as a club we didnt even know how to tank properly.
Ramps, it's a double edged sword! Win and boost our membership/attendances to solve our immediate liqudity problem or lose and get a get higher draft pick that will develop down the track and not solve our immediate financial issues! Melbourme have stuff all members and low attendances anyway so for them it was a moot point!
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Melbourne played the system like maestros and timed their finish to coincide with the new teams coming in to perfection. They will be strong and weather the draft concession storm at our expense.
For us as a club and most of our supporters it was about developing winning cultures HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
We are so stupid as a club we didnt even know how to tank properly.
Ramps, it's a double edged sword! Win and boost our membership/attendances to solve our immediate liqudity problem or lose and get a get higher draft pick that will develop down the track and not solve our immediate financial issues! Melbourme have stuff all members and low attendances anyway so for them it was a moot point!
Fair point
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Has any club been successful from deliberately losing games? ?
Ever see Sydney, Geelong, Brisbane, Collingwood throw a game?
None of them have spent anywhere near the time we have at the bottom of the ladder.
It's about recruiting smart and developing players properly.
This has been the failure of the club, not the fact that we haven't sent teams out on to the ground with the sole intention of losing?
Oh, Richmond, we're so poo because we don't play to lose? (not on purpose anyway ;D)
:lol
Maybe we could incorporate that into the club song?
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Collingwood definitely tanked in 2005 to get both Pendelbury and Thomas in the top 5 of the draft. They put all their senior players in cotton wool and sent them off to get surgery so they were right to go for the preseason.
Hawthorn went the youth path in 2005-6. They tanked a game against us late in 2005. We came from 7 goals down with Pettifer kicking the winning goal. I still remember a Hawk fan near me cheering they had kept their priority pick.
Saints, Dogs, Carlton and now Melbourne have gone down the "tank" path. It hasn't hurt them. Will one of the first two win the flag this year?
Voss and Roos have topped up with mature recruits. Will their respective clubs win a flag with their lists though?
If there are priority picks this year as claimed in the media then serious questions should be asked of Craig Cameron and the match committee last year for winning/drawing meaningless games in the second half of last year. Most of that match committee are now gone elsewhere to other clubs so thanks guys for looking after our future :scream. Not only did this rubbish about "winning culture" cost us another top 20 pick in last year's draft but it will cost us the chance of getting both picks 4 and 6 in the November draft this year. Why should the AFL help us with a freebie early priority pick when we as a club foregoed that very opportunity ourselves through a very own stupidity and lack of foresight and planning.
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We almost did the right thing against the Roos only to let our hard work slip and draw the game
then McMahon decided to hit a target from 50 metres in the one and only time in his career.
It's our own fault we could have won the spoon last year as I was suggesting with the way the draw was in July.Especially as Melbourne Fremantle North Us and West Coast were all playing each other in the last 6 -8 weeks of the season. We had our chance. We shot ourselves in the foot leaving the incumbent staff with the arduous task of rebuilding whilst a compromised draft is in place. :banghead