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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 16, 2010, 03:53:30 AM
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Carlton Blues' savage pokies grab
* Michael Warner
* Herald Sun
* April 16, 2010
POKIES king Bruce Mathieson is plotting a Carlton coup that will strip Richmond and the Western Bulldogs of a fortune in gaming.
Mathieson, a former Blues director, stunned the Tigers and Bulldogs when he revealed he would transfer two hotel leases controlled by the AFL clubs to Carlton.
Richmond will lose the bluechip Royal Oak Hotel in the heart of Tigerland, while the Victoria Inn at Williamstown will be lost to the Bulldogs.
Both pokies venues are owned by the powerful Mathieson/Woolworths venture.
Richmond could be forced to hand over the keys to the Royal Oak within months.
The 80-machine venue - known as the Tiger Bar because of its meeting place status among Richmond faithful - contributes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to club coffers.
Carlton and Mathieson are believed to be planning to redirect at least one other venue's profits to the Blues in a move that could set up the club's financial security for years to come.
Blues chiefs declined to comment yesterday, saying nothing had been finalised.
Both Richmond and the Bulldogs confirmed they had been informed their leases would not be renewed.
"We are not impressed with it, but we move on," Dogs chief executive Campbell Rose said yesterday.
The Bulldogs recently won permission for a new gaming venue in Edgewater, about 2km from the Dogs' recently renovated Whitten Oval headquarters. The Mathieson/Woolworths venture also manages the Dogs' pokies at the Bacchus Marsh Golf Club.
But the Tigers, who operate a less profitable pokies venture at Wantirna, must quickly come up with ways to replace the crucial Royal Oak cash stream.
The Mathieson moves come as the league's 10 Victorian-based clubs prepare to splurge up to $50 million on a complex auction of pokies licences in a bid to maintain ownership of their existing poker machines.
AFL clubs control 1253 pokies at 20 pubs and clubs - about 6 per cent of Victoria's 27,500 machines, the entitlements to which will all by up for grabs in the auction that ends on May 10.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-blues-savage-pokies-grab/story-e6frf9jf-1225854279428
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Charming Mr Bojangles :banghead
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No great surprises from Mathieson :banghead
But to know Woolworths (who owns idiot Smith) is involved whether it be directly or indirectly turns the stomach a bit
Best way to stuff up Matheison's plans is for us good Tiger stuff who go to the Royal Oak not to patronise it once the RFC's lease runs out
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the afl should somehow get involved and smorgan and march should get together to somehow prevent this from happening
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the afl should somehow get involved and smorgan and march should get together to somehow prevent this from happening
Good luck with that. Purely a business decision outside the scope or control of the AFL or the clubs concerned. The losers will be the ones who sit on their hands and whinge about, doing nothing to help themselves. If our administration are switched on then they should/would already have known this was coming the minute they were informed the lease would not be renewed and have taken the first steps to replace the income stream from elsewhere.
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Well that's the last time I'm having a counter meal there....
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Purely a business decision. Our club should redirect some interest into the Glen Waverley and Cragieburn areas. Plenty of opportunities for clubs who know what theyre doing.
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pity it wasnt the wantirna one that I understand loses money, sheesh, no rest for the wicked huh. Tis a big place Melbourne, plenty of business opportunites abound
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Well, end of an era, pure spite on the part of that hole but The Oak will be off limits once that lease goes to Carlscum. He thinks we are so stupid that we are going to fund Carlton by going to the Oak. Whats more I won't spend a peanut at Woolworths again. Plenty of options, if he wants to make it a Carlton only supermarket chain lol all yours clown. It is nasty towards the doggies too, they are not exactly the biggest club in town.
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Well, end of an era, pure spite on the part of that behindhole but The Oak will be off limits once that lease goes to Carlscum. He thinks we are so stupid that we are going to fund Carlton by going to the Oak. Whats more I won't spend a peanut at Woolworths again. Plenty of options, if he wants to make it a Carlton only supermarket chain lol all yours clown. It is nasty towards the doggies too, they are not exactly the biggest club in town.
Few considerations of club loyalty etc in business Owl. Having said that, I'm with you in voting with my feet - I practice it often - and like you, the Oak will now be on my 'banned' list. And as for Woolworths? Well, I'm an Aldi tragic so they are a nothing to me anyway! :)
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Aldi is great, we have a Leo's gourmet joint opening up the road soon, used to use one in Hawthorn, fantastic. :thumbsup
Sad about the Oak though. :gotigers
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I banned the Coach and Horses in Ringwood as soon as the Skunks took over and only ever been in there once on the way home cause I was busting for a pee, ever since. And no I didn't have a beer, just a slash and gone.
No brainer and make sure we all let as many tigers know as possible so they too can vote with their feet.
If the Tigers have any brains they could get a setup going in the new social club where we can all go to watch interstate games have a beer, Tab and the slots wouldn't be a bad move either for those that way inclined. May even get a visit from Schwarz and Fev ;D
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I banned the Coach and Horses in Ringwood as soon as the Skunks took over and only ever been in there once on the way home cause I was busting for a pee, ever since. And no I didn't have a beer, just a slash and gone.
No brainer and make sure we all let as many tigers know as possible so they too can vote with their feet.
If the Tigers have any brains they could get a setup going in the new social club where we can all go to watch interstate games have a beer, Tab and the slots wouldn't be a bad move either for those that way inclined. May even get a visit from Schwarz and Fev ;D
i hope yr tried and trusty stream went all over the carpet mate!
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Well, end of an era, pure spite on the part of that behindhole but The Oak will be off limits once that lease goes to Carlscum. He thinks we are so stupid that we are going to fund Carlton by going to the Oak. Whats more I won't spend a peanut at Woolworths again. Plenty of options, if he wants to make it a Carlton only supermarket chain lol all yours clown. It is nasty towards the doggies too, they are not exactly the biggest club in town.
I certainly hope the word spreads around the Tiger faithful to never go there again after this. In fact hopefully plenty of Carlton FC signage will go up to make it easy to turn them away.
As for Woolworths, their meat section sucks. I went there once the other week and the fillet steaks were tough which I didn't think was possible and their lamb flavourless. I hate promoting a big chain and would always choose to go to a butcher at the markets normally, but my local Coles in StKilda has the best meats. Chose to never go back to Woolworths after that experience, the decision is even easier now.
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Footnote: woolworths own idiot Smith ::) ::) ::)
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Footnote: woolworths own idiot Smith ::) ::) ::)
Yeah I know I mentioned it earlier BJ:
But to know Woolworths (who owns idiot Smith) is involved whether it be directly or indirectly turns the stomach a bit
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considering clubs will soon have to bid in an auction for ea pokie machine they hold Im not absolutely certain it is the best means to spend the clubs capital. There are any number of opportunities the club could pursue and then use the RFC as a vehicle to market it...there's a NEW challenge for you to put the MBA to good use Benny :shh
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considering clubs will soon have to bid in an auction for ea pokie machine they hold Im not absolutely certain it is the best means to spend the clubs capital. There are any number of opportunities the club could pursue and then use the RFC as a vehicle to market it...there's a NEW challenge for you to put the MBA to good use Benny :shh
I agree heres some suggestions
On the Tiles with the RFC- Tiling Company
RFC pee Up Travel - Travel Agency
RFC Classic KitchenWare- Spoon Manufacturers
Bottom of the Barrel Pictures- Movie Studio Operations
etc.
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or perhaps the Last Laugh, starring Ramps :lol
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Thats ok, we can take idiot smith money...doesn't mean we have to give any back :rollin
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or perhaps the Last Laugh, starring Ramps :lol
You have to admint Richmond Kitchenware had potential as a Spoons Manufacturer.
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Pokies deal sparks AFL clubs feud
CAROLINE WILSON
May 13, 2010
SEVERAL Melbourne-based AFL clubs are involved in a bitter feud over the spoils of a multi-million-dollar bonanza to be reaped from the state government's recent auction of poker machine licences.
The pokies auction has secured the short-term futures of several clubs after they managed to secure licences at massively discounted prices.
But the Western Bulldogs and Richmond are seething after Carlton took over some of their lucrative venues - thanks to the intervention of pokies king and former Carlton director Bruce Mathieson.
The Blues have gone from having one pokies venue to four, with at least 260 machines secured at the bargain basement price of $5500 each.
This was made possible after Mr Mathieson recently terminated Richmond's long-term lease at the Royal Oak in Richmond and the Bulldogs' lease at the Vic Inn at Hobson's Bay, signing both over to Carlton.
The Blues will also take over the Manningham Club in Bulleen (formerly Brisbane Lions) and continue to control machines at its club in Laverton.
The moves should eradicate Carlton's $5 million debt over the next decade.
Liberal backbencher and Richmond supporter Bernie Finn told The Age: ''I think it's grossly unfair that one individual has the power to remove a major source of revenue from three AFL clubs and unilaterally direct it to just one.''
Bulldogs chief executive Campbell Rose said he had expressed disappointment to Carlton boss Greg Swann. ''It's terribly disappointing to see our inner-heartland being taken away by the Bruce Mathieson organisation on behalf of one of our kindred clubs for their commercial benefit,'' said Mr Rose.
The Bulldogs have finished up with 55 machines, which the club purchased at an average cost of $62,000 each.
Licences for the state's 27,500 poker machine were sold as a result of the government's decision to end the duopoly on licences previously held by Tattersall's and Tabcorp.
The auction raised a total of $981 million, well below market expectations, with many clubs overjoyed at winning 10-year licences for machines at $5500 apiece.
Hawthorn was celebrating after the silent auction, having paid the $5500 minimum for some 100 machines for which it had considered bidding as much as $110,000 each.
Melbourne's board allocated $4 million for 92 machines at the Mathieson-owned Leighoak club, but ended up paying just $370,000.
Collingwood, St Kilda and Essendon - like Melbourne - took up the option of buying licences for 40 machines before the auction, paying between $25,000 and $40,000 each, before securing the balance of their machines at auction for just $5500 each.
In something of an understatement, Essendon chief executive Ian Robson said last night: ''We are satisfied that we have secured the outcome we have and that the machines we were after at the market level were bought at a lower level than anticipated.''
Collingwood's deal with Mr Mathieson at the Coach and Horses was renewed, with the Magpies said to have heavily invested in the relationship.
Mr Mathieson was one of the group that overthrew Carlton president John Elliott in 2003. He quit the board several years ago, but had always promised the Blues he would support them via his pokies empire.
With the sale of machines to end the Tattersalls-Tabcorp duopoly by 2012, the new 50-50 split between the licence-holders and the government operators is estimated to see machines in Victoria profit to the tune of $470,500 each over the 10-year agreement.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pokies-deal-sparks-afl-clubs-feud-20100512-uy3z.html
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Disgraceful. Hope it's a money losing venture for the Blues
Boycott all those venues folks :banghead
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Disgraceful. Hope it's a money losing venture for the Blues
Boycott all those venues folks :banghead
My days of having a meal at the Royal Oak are OVER :banghead
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What makes this even worse is that the place is in the heart of Richmond, and still has all the trappings of a Tiger venue. From the huge plaster Tiger above the door, to the framed portraits, and cocktails named after old Tiger greats. It's false advertising. The club should insist that it be taken down.
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So did our club bid for more machines somewhere else? Did we bid to put some machines in the Craigieburn area, did we bid so we can put up a venue in the Glen Waverley area or an area like Mitcham or Ringwood? Did we win any extra machines anywhere else? I would have thought Benny Gale would have organised such a strategy going forward!
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What makes this even worse is that the place is in the heart of Richmond, and still has all the trappings of a Tiger venue. From the huge plaster Tiger above the door, to the framed portraits, and cocktails named after old Tiger greats. It's false advertising. The club should insist that it be taken down.
RR - I am pretty sure our current lease hasn't run out yet (next couple of months I believe). The portraits you speak of are the property of the RFC and will be returned when we exit the building. Matheson doesn't own them, the Club does. It is just like when you rent a house, you own the furniture & you take it with you when you leave. And just like leasing a house or office space, our lease hasn't been renewed and we will go when the current lease expires.
As for the Tiger thing above the door I don't think we own that. And I've always thought it is pretty ghastly to be honest.
So did our club bid for more machines somewhere else? Did we bid to put some machines in the Craigieburn area, did we bid so we can put up a venue in the Glen Waverley area or an area like Mitcham or Ringwood? Did we win any extra machines anywhere else? I would have thought Benny Gale would have organised such a strategy going forward!
Was thinking the same thing Ramps - would like to know the answer.
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What makes this even worse is that the place is in the heart of Richmond, and still has all the trappings of a Tiger venue. From the huge plaster Tiger above the door, to the framed portraits, and cocktails named after old Tiger greats. It's false advertising. The club should insist that it be taken down.
RR - I am pretty sure our current lease hasn't run out yet (next couple of months I believe). The portraits you speak of are the property of the RFC and will be returned when we exit the building. Matheson doesn't own them, the Club does. It is just like when you rent a house, you own the furniture & you take it with you when you leave. And just like leasing a house or office space, our lease hasn't been renewed and we will go when the current lease expires.
As for the Tiger thing above the door I don't think we own that. And I've always thought it is pretty ghastly to be honest.
So did our club bid for more machines somewhere else? Did we bid to put some machines in the Craigieburn area, did we bid so we can put up a venue in the Glen Waverley area or an area like Mitcham or Ringwood? Did we win any extra machines anywhere else? I would have thought Benny Gale would have organised such a strategy going forward!
Was thinking the same thing Ramps - would like to know the answer.
Ive got a feeling that we didnt get any machines anywhere else and that we have been stranded with the lemon that is the Wantirna Club. The club should have bid for machines in other places, bid for machines and then look for a venue abit later. Did the club look at doing a deal with some RSL clubs to joint venture? Anyway Im sure we will get some answers soon enough. By the way when does the lease on the lemon run out- does anyone know?
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The club should have bid for machines in other places, bid for machines and then look for a venue abit later.
I'm not sure if that was possible Ramps. I'm not talking from a position of any inside or extended knowledge on the subject but I would have thought it likely that part of the auction and approval process would have been to have a nominated licenced venue as a pre-condition to entering the auction. Anyone else know much about this whole thing?
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What makes this even worse is that the place is in the heart of Richmond, and still has all the trappings of a Tiger venue. From the huge plaster Tiger above the door, to the framed portraits, and cocktails named after old Tiger greats. It's false advertising. The club should insist that it be taken down.
RR - I am pretty sure our current lease hasn't run out yet (next couple of months I believe). The portraits you speak of are the property of the RFC and will be returned when we exit the building. Matheson doesn't own them, the Club does. It is just like when you rent a house, you own the furniture & you take it with you when you leave. And just like leasing a house or office space, our lease hasn't been renewed and we will go when the current lease expires.
As for the Tiger thing above the door I don't think we own that. And I've always thought it is pretty ghastly to be honest.
No more ghastly than the giant pineapple or the giant banana :lol
But seriously, I hope it comes down, just so the unwary punter isn't fooled into thinking that the cost of his chicken parmigiana might be indirectly helping the Tigers
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Venues belonging to the ALH Group to avoid if protesting
http://www.alhgroup.com.au/our_venues_vic.php
Aces Sporting Club (Keysborough)
Albion Charles (Northcote)
Ashley Hotel (Braybrook)
Balaclava Hotel (St Kilda)
Bayswater Hotel
Berwick Inn Hotel
Blackburn Hotel
Blue Bell Hotel (Wendouree)
Boundary Hotel (Bentleigh East)
Braybrook Hotel
Bundoora Hotel
Burvale Hotel (Nunawading)
Century City (Glen Waverley)
Chelsea Heights Hotel
Cherry Hill Tavern (Doncaster)
Coach & Horses (Ringwood)
Commercial Hotel - Werribee
Coolaroo Hotel
Courthouse - (Brunswick)
Courthouse - (Footscray)
Cramers Hotel (Preston)
Croxton Park Hotel
Daiseys (Ringwood)
Daveys Hotel (Frankston)
Deer Park Hotel
Doncaster Hotel
Elsternwick Hotel
Eltham Hotel
Excelsior Hotel (Thomastown)
Ferntree Gully Hotel
First & Last (Hadfield)
Fountain Gate Hotel
Gateway Hotel (Corio)
Glengala Hotel (Sunshine)
Hallam Hotel
Highpoint Hotel (Maribyrnong)
Keysborough Hotel
Lyndhurst Club Hotel (Brunswick)
Macs Hotel (Melton)
Manhattan Hotel (Ringwood)
Manningham Hotel & Club (Bulleen)
Matthew Flinders Hotel (Chadstone)
Meadow Inn Hotel-Motel (Fawkner)
Milanos Tavern (Brighton)
Mitcham Hotel
Monash Hotel (Clayton)
Moreland Hotel
Morwell Hotel
Mountain View Hotel (Glen Waverley)
Nu Hotel (Dandenong)
Oakleigh Junction
Olinda Creek Hotel (Lilydale)
Palace Hotel (Camberwell)
Pascoe Vale Hotel
Pier Hotel (Frankston)
Plough Hotel (Mill Park)
Powell Hotel (Footscray)
Preston Hotel
Prince Mark Hotel (Doveton)
The Embassy (South Melbourne)
Racecourse Hotel (Malvern East)
Rex - Port Melbourne
Richmond Tavern
Rifle Club Hotel (Williamstown)
Rose Shamrock Hotel (Reservoir)
Royal Exchange Hotel (Traralgon)
Royal FTG Hotel (Ferntree Gully)
Royal Hotel - (Essendon)
Royal Hotel - (Sunbury)
Royal Oak (Richmond)
Sandbelt Club Hotel (Moorabbin)
Sandown Park Hotel
Sandringham Hotel
Sands Hotel (Carrum Downs)
Seaford Hotel
Shoppingtown Hotel (Doncaster)
Skyways Hotel (Airport West)
Somerville Hotel
Stamford Inn (Rowville)
Sylvania Hotel (Campbellfield)
The Club Hotel (Ferntree Gully)
Three Degrees (Melbourne)
Tudor Inn (Cheltenham)
Vale Hotel (Mulgrave)
Vegas - (Waverley Gardens)
Victoria Hotel (Shepparton)
Victoria Inn (Williamstown)
Village Green Hotel (Mulgrave)
Waltzing Matilda Hotel (Springvale)
Werribee Plaza Hotel
Westmeadows Tavern
Westside Hotel (Laverton)
Wheelers Hill Hotel
York On Lilydale (Mt Evelyn)
Young and Jacksons (Melbourne)
St Albans Hotel
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Venues belonging to the ALH Group to avoid if protesting
Young and Jacksons (Melbourne)
Won't be hard to give Y & J's a wide berth hey Al?
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Also ALH brands to avoid if protesting....
BWS bottle shops
Dan Murphy's
Graziers Beef
28s
Great Food Great Value
Live At Your Local
To contact ALH:
http://www.alhgroup.com.au/contact.html
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Venues belonging to the ALH Group to avoid if protesting
Young and Jacksons (Melbourne)
Won't be hard to give Y & J's a wide berth hey Al?
Eff 'em. They can kiss my big yellow butt
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How has Woolworths allowed this to happen. idiot Smith sponsors our club and Woolies let Matheson do this. Its just disgraceful. As fas as I know ALH is owned in a joint venture job that includes Woolworths Ltd.
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How has Woolworths allowed this to happen. idiot Smith sponsors our club and Woolies let Matheson do this. Its just disgraceful. As fas as I know ALH is owned in a joint venture job that includes Woolworths Ltd.
Great isn't it :banghead
* ALH Group – Hotel and Poker Machine operator, which is 75% owned by Woolworths Limited.
Woolworths started to expand into liquor businesses with the acquisition of Dan Murphy's in 1998. By 2001, the BWS chain had been established. With Queensland licensing laws dictating that retail outlets must be operated by a hotelier, Woolworths moved into the hotel industry in 2005 in a joint venture with experienced hotel operator Bruce Mathieson, purchasing hotelier Australian Leisure and Hospitality Group (ALH). Later in 2005 the ALH Group expanded its portfolio to 250 hotels by acquiring the Taverner Hotel Group and the Bruce Mathieson Group. The ALH Group is 25% owned by Bruce Mathieson and 75% owned by Woolworths. Statistics provided during the acquisition of the Taverner group showed that over one third of sales are made up of gaming/poker machine takings.[13] The number of poker machines owned by Woolworths and Bruce Mathieson after ALH acquisitions was 10,722 (2006 figure).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Limited
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Well the campaign is not to only boycott the pubs but to boycott the supermarkets and there petrol plus outlets, Id suggest we all get on the phones, the emails etc and make Woolworths aware that their behaviour has been disgraceful and that they need to rectify this asap or we wont be buying anything from their stores!
I just did my bit
http://www.woolworthslimited.com.au/phoenix.zhtml?c=144044&p=irol-contact1
Id suggest we all let Woolworths know what we think of them!
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Is there anyway in this that we can legally claim we are being underpaid in our DSE major sponsor agreement? Because effectively in terms of their parent company Woolworths they will be paying in total less for the sponsorship than the agreed terms. We gain something like $1.0-1.5m? from the major sponsorship but lose $100ks from the loss of the Royal Oak. Woolies is the major partner of ALH (75%); not Blue supporter Mathieson. I agree Ramps it's a disgrace to have our sponsor's parent company screw us.
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Well, I mean I'm all for the caustic soda and hot grease treatment but some folks got all righteous bout it last time. As Kenny Rogers sang in that song... You got to know when to scold em, know when to walk away, know when to run...
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How has Woolworths allowed this to happen. idiot Smith sponsors our club and Woolies let Matheson do this. Its just disgraceful. As fas as I know ALH is owned in a joint venture job that includes Woolworths Ltd.
Separate legal entities, lads, so really, we can rant and rave as much as we want but as far as it goes what happens outside of idiot Smith in the Woolies empire is of no use complaining about as that's the legal entity we have an agreement with, not Woolworths Ltd.
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It's not about legal BS. It's about common sense.
When you sponsor a sports club you want them to be successful, so success is associated with your brand.
So WTF would a company allow one part of it's organisation, of which they control 70%, take action that directly affects the ability of a sporting club, that another offshoot of the company sponsors, to be successful, for no financial gain what so ever?
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I'll be shopping at Coles from now on and telling my wife to do the same.
Don't use Woollies petrol.
Looks like I'll be getting my Jimmy and Cokes from Duncans from now on.
Shame about my local the Excelsior Hotel being owned by that group: was there last night and had a great porterhouse topped with calamari using Graziers beef. The triple layer parmagiana is sensational also. Real shame. :help
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It's not about legal BS. It's about common sense.
When you sponsor a sports club you want them to be successful, so success is associated with your brand.
So WTF would a company allow one part of it's organisation, of which they control 70%, take action that directly affects the ability of a sporting club, that another offshoot of the company sponsors, to be successful, for no financial gain what so ever?
Yes it is, but the brand is idiot Smith and they want us to be successful, means stuff all to another Woolies subsidiary that gets no exposure from RFC what-so-ever. the idiot Smith CEO might be able to have words but overall the legal BS stands as the complete reason why.
All these subsidiaries might be under the same umbrella but they're all different entities looking to maximise profit at any cost.
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How are they maximising profit by taking ownership of licenses (or lease of venue, or whatever) away from Richmond and Footscray and giving it to Carlton?
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I hate Carlton
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How are they maximising profit by taking ownership of licenses (or lease of venue, or whatever) away from Richmond and Footscray and giving it to Carlton?
I'm just telling you why idiot Smith has no legs to stand on to stamp their feet at a fellow Woolworths subsidiary from doing whatever they want.
Whether they get better profitability or the intangible benefit for ALH Group is beyond the specifics what I can discuss without pulling inferences out my backside.
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For a company to allow a minor business partner to take action, based solely on fulfilling that minor business partner's personal desires, that brings no benefit to that arm of the company, while potentially harming another arm of the business is just plain crazy, illogical and poor governance.
That is the point I'm trying to make.
If somehow the royal oak decision was geared towards increasing profits then I would agree with what you said. It is not though, a business decision.
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Do they own all these things outright or is it just a controlling shares deal ?
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I actually sent the club an email about some of these issues- still waiting for a reply! Also emailed Woolworths and still waiting on a reply from them as well!
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Fromt he RFC website:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/94261/default.aspx
Richmond and the Royal Oak
richmondfc.com.au 1:39 PM Thu 13 May, 2010
There has been speculation in recent weeks about the operation of the Royal Oak Hotel.
Currently the Royal Oak is being operated by the Richmond Football Club and we therefore encourage our members and supporters to continue to support the venue.
for richmondfc.com.au
How are they maximising profit by taking ownership of licenses (or lease of venue, or whatever) away from Richmond and Footscray and giving it to Carlton?
It depends what there cut from gaming revenues & the property leases they are getting I would think, coupled with how much they paid for the licences
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All those sort of things are possibilities WP, but no-where has had it been mentioned that Richmond (or Footscray) were asked to change these conditions and refused. In fact there has been no mention of any negotiation at all. From the info we have it appears as if the decision is based solely on Mathesien wanting to provide for the team he supports.
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All those sort of things are possibilities WP, but no-where has had it been mentioned that Richmond (or Footscray) were asked to change these conditions and refused. In fact there has been no mention of any negotiation at all. From the info we have it appears as if the decision is based solely on Mathesien wanting to provide for the team he supports.
I don't believe that Richmond or Footscray had any say or option ot negotiate at at all.
I see it as being to similar to a Landlord deciding at the end of a long term lease with a tenant that "I want you out" and tell sthem such. As the Landlord you don't have to give a reason, just follow the legal requirments to end the lease. The tenant doesn't have a choice
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All those sort of things are possibilities WP, but no-where has had it been mentioned that Richmond (or Footscray) were asked to change these conditions and refused. In fact there has been no mention of any negotiation at all. From the info we have it appears as if the decision is based solely on Mathesien wanting to provide for the team he supports.
I don't believe that Richmond or Footscray had any say or option ot negotiate at at all.
I see it as being to similar to a Landlord deciding at the end of a long term lease with a tenant that "I want you out" and tell sthem such. As the Landlord you don't have to give a reason, just follow the legal requirments to end the lease. The tenant doesn't have a choice
We can jump up and down all we want - but what I want to know is- Did our club bid for machines in other places, Did the club look into getting some venues in the last 6 months in preparation for these auctions, Did the club look at Joint Venturing with other parties? What actions did our management undertake to best represent the clubs interests? Or have we just been screwed out of 100 machines at Royal Oak and our management want us to be happy with an extra 10 machines at Wantirna which has always been a lemon? The club needs to tell us!
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All those sort of things are possibilities WP, but no-where has had it been mentioned that Richmond (or Footscray) were asked to change these conditions and refused. In fact there has been no mention of any negotiation at all. From the info we have it appears as if the decision is based solely on Mathesien wanting to provide for the team he supports.
I don't believe that Richmond or Footscray had any say or option ot negotiate at at all.
I see it as being to similar to a Landlord deciding at the end of a long term lease with a tenant that "I want you out" and tell sthem such. As the Landlord you don't have to give a reason, just follow the legal requirments to end the lease. The tenant doesn't have a choice
Which all points to this being nothing more than a personal desire by mathiesen . If it was a business decision to bring in more cash, the first option, from a business point of view is renegotiate with current tennants. I know you dont have to do this by any law, but common business sense says you do - unless there is a personal agenda in the decision
making.
End result is that a personal agenda by a minor business partner is working towards devaluing the sponsorship dollars paid by a business arm of the major partner.
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, Did the club look at Joint Venturing with other parties?
I think that's what we did with the Royal Oak and look how that's ended up
The RFC getting screwed
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, Did the club look at Joint Venturing with other parties?
I think that's what we did with the Royal Oak and look how that's ended up
The RFC getting screwed
Joint venturing with a couple of RSL or Bowls Clubs or other type of clubs is different to joint venturing with Mathieson IMHO WP.
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Joint venturing with a couple of RSL or Bowls Clubs or other type of clubs is different to joint venturing with Mathieson IMHO WP.
That's true Ramps - a nice bowling club sounds a great idea ;D
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Joint venturing with a couple of RSL or Bowls Clubs or other type of clubs is different to joint venturing with Mathieson IMHO WP.
That's true Ramps - a nice bowling club sounds a great idea ;D
well if you think about it properly, if you get into a jv with a bowls club for example, most of there members would be 70+ so according to me- that means-
we can branch stack the place- taking effective management control- giving us access to facilities, the gaming machine revenues and cheap grog. I should be on the RFC committee- Its time to bring down our board and VOTE 1 - Ramps ;D
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You leave our Big Banana alone ;D
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A message from the Club via email:
Richmond's Royal Oak
Despite recent speculation about the operation of the Royal Oak Hotel, the venue is being operated by the Richmond Football Club, and we encourage our members and fans to continue to support the venue.
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You leave our Big Banana alone ;D
Actually, I visited the big banana as a kid in the '70's. I slipped on the peel on the way out, and skidded about five miles :lol
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Out of "love" for Carlton :chuck
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/i-gave-pokies-gift-for-love-of-blues/story-e6frf9jf-1225901886672
Tigers president Gary March this week told the Herald Sun his board felt no animosity towards the pokies baron over the decision that has wiped $300,000 a year from Richmond's books. :P
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Does anyone know if the club has moved to get itself a new venue so it can replace the lost revenues?
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Open a tabaret/tab/bar at the new aboriginal institute Punt Rd development, we'll make a killing :cheers
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Open a tabaret/tab/bar at the new aboriginal institute Punt Rd development, we'll make a killing :cheers
Youll get in trouble for that CUB.
But not a bad idea "Brother"
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If I lived in Melbourne, I'd go down there with a few $2 coins coated in superglue to see if they were lucky
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Open a tabaret/tab/bar at the new aboriginal institute Punt Rd development, we'll make a killing :cheers
Its a great idea to build a big fkd up bar/tavern/bistro for all comers - there are 50 games of footy at the 'G each year and it would a serious pre and post game meeting point.
Remember the nightclub in to '80s before it was shut down due to under age drinking?
It was a monster!
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Open a tabaret/tab/bar at the new aboriginal institute Punt Rd development, we'll make a killing :cheers
Youll get in trouble for that CUB.
But not a bad idea "Brother"
Shell are opening up on the corner of Brunton Ave and Punt Road ramps
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For a company to allow a minor business partner to take action, based solely on fulfilling that minor business partner's personal desires, that brings no benefit to that arm of the company, while potentially harming another arm of the business is just plain crazy, illogical and poor governance.
That is the point I'm trying to make.
If somehow the royal oak decision was geared towards increasing profits then I would agree with what you said. It is not though, a business decision.
I don't know if this helps but the JV means WW's run the off premise of all venue i.e bottle shops, drive thrus etc and Brucey Boy runs the on premise ie. Bistros, Bars, Pokies. WW's keep out of Bruces business and vice versa.
Hypothetically, we could pitch for and get the Dan Murphy business (WWs owned) off Carlton and do the same thing to the Blues as they have done to us.
But Dan's is run by a blue bagger (not Bruce) so that might be tough as well!!!
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Does anyone know if the club has moved to get itself a new venue so it can replace the lost revenues?
They already have one
It's a white elephant...you may have heard of it ...The Wantirna Club :rollin :rollin
Seriously though.... I wouldn't think there are many options available. I don't think we bought any machines/licences when that auction type thing was on a few months
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Does anyone know if the club has moved to get itself a new venue so it can replace the lost revenues?
They already have one
It's a white elephant...you may have heard of it ...The Wantirna Club :rollin :rollin
Seriously though.... I wouldn't think there are many options available. I don't think we bought any machines/licences when that auction type thing was on a few months
not may options, pfftttttt, there are licesnsed venues bought and sold ea week...there are any number of opportunities in hospitality that the tigers could cash in on and use themselves as the PR vehicle..Just takes a bit of enterprise, anything could be better than the WC, FFS, howzabout a few cafes, :shh
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not may options, pfftttttt, there are licesnsed venues bought and sold ea week...there are any number of opportunities in hospitality that the tigers could cash in on and use themselves as the PR vehicle..Just takes a bit of enterprise, anything could be better than the WC, FFS, howzabout a few cafes, :shh
I reckon becuase of the way the licenced venue market is now structured I can't see many being off loaded. those that are would be at a premium price .... I don't think in the short terms it's the answer
Certainly agree though that we need to look at other options though
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not may options, pfftttttt, there are licesnsed venues bought and sold ea week...there are any number of opportunities in hospitality that the tigers could cash in on and use themselves as the PR vehicle..Just takes a bit of enterprise, anything could be better than the WC, FFS, howzabout a few cafes, :shh
I reckon becuase of the way the licenced venue market is now structured I can't see many being off loaded. those that are would be at a premium price .... I don't think in the short terms it's the answer
Certainly agree though that we need to look at other options though
hopefully they show a bit of foresight and invest in healthy cafes, a few of them would cost nothing, and rtreturn more than what is yielded from ther WC ::)
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Does anyone know if the club has moved to get itself a new venue so it can replace the lost revenues?
They already have one
It's a white elephant...you may have heard of it ...The Wantirna Club :rollin :rollin
Seriously though.... I wouldn't think there are many options available. I don't think we bought any machines/licences when that auction type thing was on a few months
Wantirna Club was always gonna be a white elephant. They should have just taken over a pub in the se suburbs rather than doing the WC development. The sooner it ends the better of the club will be. Its a fiasco!
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not may options, pfftttttt, there are licesnsed venues bought and sold ea week...there are any number of opportunities in hospitality that the tigers could cash in on and use themselves as the PR vehicle..Just takes a bit of enterprise, anything could be better than the WC, FFS, howzabout a few cafes, :shh
I reckon becuase of the way the licenced venue market is now structured I can't see many being off loaded. those that are would be at a premium price .... I don't think in the short terms it's the answer
Certainly agree though that we need to look at other options though
hopefully they show a bit of foresight and invest in healthy cafes, a few of them would cost nothing, and rtreturn more than what is yielded from ther WC ::)
Cafes are to hard to run IMHO (especially by FC's) and the returns wouldnt justify the time or investment made.
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With the number of Asians running around in "The Glen" shopping centre in Glen Waverley maybe we can stick a gaming joint in there. Mammoth returns just waiting right there!
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not may options, pfftttttt, there are licesnsed venues bought and sold ea week...there are any number of opportunities in hospitality that the tigers could cash in on and use themselves as the PR vehicle..Just takes a bit of enterprise, anything could be better than the WC, FFS, howzabout a few cafes, :shh
I reckon becuase of the way the licenced venue market is now structured I can't see many being off loaded. those that are would be at a premium price .... I don't think in the short terms it's the answer
Certainly agree though that we need to look at other options though
hopefully they show a bit of foresight and invest in healthy cafes, a few of them would cost nothing, and rtreturn more than what is yielded from ther WC ::)
Cafes are to hard to run IMHO (especially by FC's) and the returns wouldnt justify the time or investment made.
Not so sure about the degree of difficulty Vs pubs, licensed premises et al, capital outlay would be alot lower..% return likely higher if successful
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Guys, retail is bloody tough and heavily saturated, people won't come just because its owned by Richmond.
And Ramps, for Gods sake do you think its that easy to stick pokie machines where the "asians" live???!!!!
The Magpies are a great example of a club that "thought" it would just happen and fingers were badly burnt.
They lost all that money on those pubs because Eddie and A'Rocca had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
They also tried to make the lexus centre a meeting place for tennis/mcg traffic but its location is incredibly difficult to access as it is not close enough to train stations or car parks.
However!
There are about 3million people attending sporting events at the 'G every year - probably half of those access the ground via Richmond station.
Our new facility is in the perfect location and it must get over 1.5 million punters walking past it every year.
Our new site would be perfect for:-
- Football shop
- Cafe
- Licensed premise/pub
The question is whether we are able to access a liquor license.
It cost 45cents to make a cup of coffee and a pot of beer is roughly $1.40 - this is after all on costs but before rent.
You charge about $3.00 for a small coffee and $3.90 for a pot. Margin of $2.55 and $2.50 - the margins are fantastic but you need high volume to cover the labour costs and rent. High volume comes with high foot fall traffic and little competition.
Convert 5% (conservative conversion rates for high traffic areas in retail) of those 1.5 million punters to a cup of coffee and a pot every year - that 75,000 coffees and beer.
There is nearly $400k in profit without any pokies.
The rent could be easily covered by other food and beverage sales - if we were to be charged rent from this facility, if there is no rent it would be seriously happy days.
Because the site has such high foot fall, we could probably charge signage to both coffee and beer companies.
We could charge for free sampling of food/products.
We could use the sites for functions
Imagine how big it would be during footy finals, boxing day cricket, one dayers, blockbuster games etc
Now the fit out would be the one big cost- probably $1.5mil but we get pay back in 3-5 years, decent ROI by any standards.
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And Ramps, for Gods sake do you think its that easy to stick pokie machines where the "asians" live???!!!!
My apologies LOL.
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I think there is going to be some social club facilities in the new joint, I think you are spot on that it is a gold mine ready to be tapped
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Do you think they'll have Lamb Gyros @ $9 a souva? :lol
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royal oak is a shytehole.
Carlton can have it
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Guys, retail is bloody tough and heavily saturated, people won't come just because its owned by Richmond.
And Ramps, for Gods sake do you think its that easy to stick pokie machines where the "asians" live???!!!!
The Magpies are a great example of a club that "thought" it would just happen and fingers were badly burnt.
They lost all that money on those pubs because Eddie and A'Rocca had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
They also tried to make the lexus centre a meeting place for tennis/mcg traffic but its location is incredibly difficult to access as it is not close enough to train stations or car parks.
However!
There are about 3million people attending sporting events at the 'G every year - probably half of those access the ground via Richmond station.
Our new facility is in the perfect location and it must get over 1.5 million punters walking past it every year.
Our new site would be perfect for:-
- Football shop
- Cafe
- Licensed premise/pub
The question is whether we are able to access a liquor license.
It cost 45cents to make a cup of coffee and a pot of beer is roughly $1.40 - this is after all on costs but before rent.
You charge about $3.00 for a small coffee and $3.90 for a pot. Margin of $2.55 and $2.50 - the margins are fantastic but you need high volume to cover the labour costs and rent. High volume comes with high foot fall traffic and little competition.
Convert 5% (conservative conversion rates for high traffic areas in retail) of those 1.5 million punters to a cup of coffee and a pot every year - that 75,000 coffees and beer.
There is nearly $400k in profit without any pokies.
The rent could be easily covered by other food and beverage sales - if we were to be charged rent from this facility, if there is no rent it would be seriously happy days.
Because the site has such high foot fall, we could probably charge signage to both coffee and beer companies.
We could charge for free sampling of food/products.
We could use the sites for functions
Imagine how big it would be during footy finals, boxing day cricket, one dayers, blockbuster games etc
Now the fit out would be the one big cost- probably $1.5mil but we get pay back in 3-5 years, decent ROI by any standards.
well done Y&B. :thumbsup
already more planning and thought in a project than anything the Rudd/Gillard has dished up in 3 years. Maybe they'll give you a job at the ALP and they'll finally get something done properly.
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I think there is going to be some social club facilities in the new joint, I think you are spot on that it is a gold mine ready to be tapped
Top (3rd) level of the new redevelopment will be the new Social Club I believe.
The temporary mobile Tiger Den van always seems to be doing a good trade on game days when I walk past it. The good thing about having a young side is people want to buy badges, etc of all the newbies. I think the new permanent Tiger Den will be under the Jack Dyer stand along with the RFC museum.
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:scream
Carlton hits jackpot on pokies deal
Jason Dowling
February 25, 2011
THE Carlton Football Club is set to make millions of dollars over the next decade from the purchase of 30 poker machines from a basketball club whose status as a club is the subject of two separate investigations.
The North Melbourne Giants Basketball Club plans to sell its entitlement to operate 30 poker machines for a decade after 2012 to Carlton for a third of the market rate.
The deal to transfer the entitlements to Carlton is being helped by poker machine company Australian Leisure and Hospitality Group.
The group includes former Carlton director Bruce Mathieson and Woolworths.
The new deal comes after Carlton swooped on 260 machines last year with the assistance of Mr Mathieson's company, at the expense of several other AFL clubs.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/carlton-hits-jackpot-on-pokies-deal-20110224-1b73t.html
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How the stuff, in an industry supposedly so heavily regulated, can the poker machine rights be sold for 1/3 of the market value?
Dirty filthy blue scum :chuck
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How the eff, in an industry supposedly so heavily regulated, can the poker machine rights be sold for 1/3 of the market value?
Dirty filthy blue scum :chuck
It sucks doesn't it. Greed is good! ::)
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If you sell a car for 1/3 of it's value the appropriate authorities are all over you like a rash.
Why would they sell so cheap? Is this more criminal dirty underhand dealing from the corruption heart of Melbourne?
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If you sell a car for 1/3 of it's value the appropriate authorities are all over you like a rash.
Why would they sell so cheap? Is this more criminal dirty underhand dealing from the corruption heart of Melbourne?
Could be a director is on both boards so effectively selling them to themselves ???
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Maybe a bit of karma for the Blues taking over the Royal Oak...
Kennett alarm on pokies law
Richard Willingham
April 21, 2011.
THE plan to introduce mandatory gambling limits on poker machines could send some AFL clubs to the wall, says Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett.
Mr Kennett made the claim as Clubs Australia, which is fighting against the reforms, claimed some AFL clubs would have to spend millions of dollars just to upgrade their machines to comply with the new law.
And it claims that AFL clubs collectively stand to lose tens of millions of dollars more once the reforms come in and poker machine revenue slumps.
According to modelling by Clubs Australia, Hawthorn would have to spend $1.125 million to upgrade its 75 machines to adopt a mandatory pre-commitment system. It found the Western Bulldogs would have to spend about $2.85 million on its 190 machines, while Carlton would face a bill of $4.35 million for 290 machines.
Mr Kennett said most AFL clubs could not afford the upgrades, and that poorer clubs could be destroyed. The Hawks were also worried about a loss of revenue once the reforms came in and were frustrated by the intervention of federal politicians into a state domain.
Read more:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/kennett-alarm-on-pokies-law-20110420-1doyk.html#ixzz1K55MTzHw
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How many we got?
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Maybe a bit of karma for the Blues taking over the Royal Oak...
Kennett alarm on pokies law
Richard Willingham
April 21, 2011.
THE plan to introduce mandatory gambling limits on poker machines could send some AFL clubs to the wall, says Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett.
Mr Kennett made the claim as Clubs Australia, which is fighting against the reforms, claimed some AFL clubs would have to spend millions of dollars just to upgrade their machines to comply with the new law.
And it claims that AFL clubs collectively stand to lose tens of millions of dollars more once the reforms come in and poker machine revenue slumps.
According to modelling by Clubs Australia, Hawthorn would have to spend $1.125 million to upgrade its 75 machines to adopt a mandatory pre-commitment system. It found the Western Bulldogs would have to spend about $2.85 million on its 190 machines, while Carlton would face a bill of $4.35 million for 290 machines.
Mr Kennett said most AFL clubs could not afford the upgrades, and that poorer clubs could be destroyed. The Hawks were also worried about a loss of revenue once the reforms came in and were frustrated by the intervention of federal politicians into a state domain.
Read more:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/kennett-alarm-on-pokies-law-20110420-1doyk.html#ixzz1K55MTzHw
good! I dunno but hearing clubs talk about profits and revenue from an industry that destroys families and lives doesn't sit well with me -
so I take it Jeff wasn't wearing his beyond blue hat in this article? ::)
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How many we got?
Not many...
off the top of my head I think blues now have the most by far - hawks have incredible revenue streams from theirs and pies do alright too.
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Maybe a bit of karma for the Blues taking over the Royal Oak...
Kennett alarm on pokies law
Richard Willingham
April 21, 2011.
THE plan to introduce mandatory gambling limits on poker machines could send some AFL clubs to the wall, says Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett.
Mr Kennett made the claim as Clubs Australia, which is fighting against the reforms, claimed some AFL clubs would have to spend millions of dollars just to upgrade their machines to comply with the new law.
And it claims that AFL clubs collectively stand to lose tens of millions of dollars more once the reforms come in and poker machine revenue slumps.
According to modelling by Clubs Australia, Hawthorn would have to spend $1.125 million to upgrade its 75 machines to adopt a mandatory pre-commitment system. It found the Western Bulldogs would have to spend about $2.85 million on its 190 machines, while Carlton would face a bill of $4.35 million for 290 machines.
Mr Kennett said most AFL clubs could not afford the upgrades, and that poorer clubs could be destroyed. The Hawks were also worried about a loss of revenue once the reforms came in and were frustrated by the intervention of federal politicians into a state domain.
Read more:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/kennett-alarm-on-pokies-law-20110420-1doyk.html#ixzz1K55MTzHw
good! I dunno but hearing clubs talk about profits and revenue from an industry that destroys families and lives doesn't sit well with me -
so I take it Jeff wasn't wearing his beyond blue hat in this article? ::)
i agree TM one of my first jobs while studying at UNI was working at the Vaucluse Hotel and watching wives and husbands spend 2/3k in a few hours was a snapshot of that industry. I remember talking to one lady who was in tears and said she had lost everything.
I think this is a good initiative from the Labour government. AFL clubs can get stuffed. Tigers will survive and with any luck North wont
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I think this is a good initiative from the Labour government. AFL clubs can get stuffed. Tigers will survive and with any luck North wont
It's not an initiative from Labor, its from independant Andrew Wilkie who is telling Labor he will remove his support of the Gillard government if they don't make the change
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Maybe a bit of karma for the Blues taking over the Royal Oak...
Kennett alarm on pokies law
Richard Willingham
April 21, 2011.
THE plan to introduce mandatory gambling limits on poker machines could send some AFL clubs to the wall, says Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett.
Mr Kennett made the claim as Clubs Australia, which is fighting against the reforms, claimed some AFL clubs would have to spend millions of dollars just to upgrade their machines to comply with the new law.
And it claims that AFL clubs collectively stand to lose tens of millions of dollars more once the reforms come in and poker machine revenue slumps.
According to modelling by Clubs Australia, Hawthorn would have to spend $1.125 million to upgrade its 75 machines to adopt a mandatory pre-commitment system. It found the Western Bulldogs would have to spend about $2.85 million on its 190 machines, while Carlton would face a bill of $4.35 million for 290 machines.
Mr Kennett said most AFL clubs could not afford the upgrades, and that poorer clubs could be destroyed. The Hawks were also worried about a loss of revenue once the reforms came in and were frustrated by the intervention of federal politicians into a state domain.
Read more:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/kennett-alarm-on-pokies-law-20110420-1doyk.html#ixzz1K55MTzHw
Hope it does destroy the clubs who are so heavily reliant on poker machine revenue. Carlton, the Bulldogs, Hawthorn etc. all having to cut back on different things to pay for their poker machines... Bring it on!
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I am supportive of clubs losing the machines or the revenues. In the past I had a different view, but gambling is out of control around Melbourne and Australia. The big losers will be Carlton and Hawthorn if these reforms get put through.
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I am supportive of clubs losing the machines or the revenues. In the past I had a different view, but gambling is out of control around Melbourne and Australia. The big losers will be Carlton and Hawthorn if these reforms get put through.
That's the best bit.
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I think this is a good initiative from the Labour government. AFL clubs can get stuffed. Tigers will survive and with any luck North wont
It's not an initiative from Labor, its from independant Andrew Wilkie who is telling Labor he will remove his support of the Gillard government if they don't make the change
Good on him i say
Stupid me for suggesting Gillard had done something good.
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No one makes you play them.
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No one makes you play them.
i'm inclined to agree, doesn't alcohol destroy a few families also, is that next? is prohibition coming back in fashion ::)
Pokies are what they are, that is a brassy form of entertainment. Pople who have addidctive disorders will sadly always be drawn to something, not sure society needs to be regulated on account of this, but hey i might just be a little crazy to ::)
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Pokies are what they are, that is a brassy form of entertainment.
I'd say they are for taxation of the stupid
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pokies machines are a disgrace to society and has created a severe problem in society
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Pokies are what they are, that is a brassy form of entertainment.
I'd say they are for taxation of the stupid
yeah, well that's one way of putting it
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No one makes you play them.
that is a terrible insensative comment.
gambling is a serious disease/illness in todays society
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while Carlton would face a bill of $4.35 million for 290 machines.
That's just about the funniest thing I've read all year. :wallywink
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Barrett on the Footy Show last night was claiming the AFL is considering the idea that it wants all clubs to get out of the gambling game. Basically the AFL would help clubs to sell all their pokies and "facilitate" buyers to take over leases of club pokie venues. Barrett claimed the Hawks were sitting on $50m if this goes ahead.