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Tigers board under attack
JON PIERIK
May 9, 2010
GROWING disenchantment among former Richmond greats and key supporters threatens to topple the leadership of the Tigers' president, Gary March.
Former Tigers hard man and powerbroker Mal Brown has revealed there is major frustration with the club's board as the Tigers, 16th and winless this season, take on Adelaide, 15th and also without a win, at AAMI Stadium today.
''People reckon it's time to challenge Gary, but who that person may be, I have no idea,'' Brown said.
''That's what I have been told. They don't think he has done anything. I think it is as simple as that. In his reign there, what has he done?''
The Sunday Age can also reveal a former Tiger champion was approached six weeks ago seeking his interest in forming a rival ticket.
''I just can't afford to have my name made public,'' the ex-player said when contacted yesterday.
A Sunday Age investigation has found there is strong support for new chief executive Brendon Gale and coach Damien Hardwick, but all want March, president since 2005 and on the board since 2002, to depart.
Millionaire businessman Trevor Barrot, part of the rival 2004 ticket under Charles Macek that failed to dislodge then president Clinton Casey, said he held grave concerns about the club's finances.
''Our gaming at the Royal Oak, which I think is now public knowledge, we've lost, and our gaming at the Wantirna Club is a lemon,'' he said. ''It's not returning what it needs to return, but I don't think we're on our own in those decisions - there's a few clubs that have been bitten on the bum.''
Barrot, part of a small advisory group of businessmen that provides financial advice to the Tigers, said an Eddie McGuire-type leader was required to lift a club he claimed ''was even beyond the Fitzroy days''.
''The people that have been there for a long time surely should look in the mirror and say, 'Well, we really haven't done the right thing by the club','' he said.
''There's a lot of egos there that shouldn't be there and they are doing it for that reason.
''There are people that have brought the club to its knees. Those people that are involved in those decisions, if they were in the corporate world, they would have been sacked and put out to pasture years and years ago.
''It's not sour grapes by me - it's fact.
''I really worry about where the corporate buck is going to come from. People like winners.''
March has said he has no intention of stepping down when his term expires at the end of the year.
He told The Age late last year that succession possibilities ''may well include myself''.
Under March, who was handed power when Casey resigned, the Tigers have boosted coaching and recruitment staff while membership this year is strong at more than 40,000. While healthy profits have been posted, the club still remains $4 million in debt - a source of concern for March's potential challengers.
On field during March's reign, the Tigers have won just 30 of 94 matches.
Former champion centreman Geoff Raines, the best-and-fairest winner in the Tigers' last premiership year of 1980, said the time had come for change at a club that has appeared in the finals only three times since that famous win - the last being in 2001.
''There seems to be a lot of blame out there that is being [directed] at past coaches and football directors and managers, but I would have thought it would have started at the top,'' he said.
''They [the board] seem to still be there and everyone else has been pushed aside.''
Raines' son, Andrew, left Punt Road in frustration last year and has resurrected his career at the Brisbane Lions.
In the wake of Richmond's 108-point pounding by Geelong last week, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou also voiced his concerns about the Tigers' inability to play competitive football this season and the heartache that lay ahead.
Gale responded by going on the front foot during the week, attempting to appease growing supporter concerns by declaring the Tigers had committed to a long-term rebuilding program and had no choice but to deal with a compromised national draft over the next two years.
THE RICHMOND BOARD
Gary March: Businessman, appointed to the board in 2002. President since November 2005.
Maurice O'Shannassy: Director, Black Rock Investment Management. Vice-president since December 2004. Garry Cameron: Company director. Treasurer, appointed to board December 1999.
Don Lord: Company director. Appointed October 2001.
John Matthies: Senior partner, law firm. Appointed January 2004.
Robert Dalton: Senior partner, Ernst & Young. Appointed November 2004.
Peggy Haines: Partner at Freehills. Appointed November 2005.
Tony Free: Former Richmond captain. Appointed June 2008.
Rex Chadwick: Director, Chadwick Merchandising. Appointed December 2009.
(http://images.theage.com.au/2010/05/08/1427053/svTIGERSTALE-200x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-board-under-attack-20100508-ukyi.html
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Yep lets wheel out an old ghost to start a new smear campaign.
You can't keep writing about losses on the field lets talk about the board room. Bored journos with us playing Sunday twilight. ::)
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Its FACT
There is problems at the club. Its only a matter of time before its all out :gotigers
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Its FACT
There is problems at the club. Its only a matter of time before its all out :gotigers
we all know about the onfield issues - but if theres off field issues then the members need to know about it- so spill your guts monky ;D
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Its FACT
There is problems at the club. Its only a matter of time before its all out :gotigers
You are not a member, therefore have no voting rights which thankfully means your opinion has no currency.
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I have to say not a lot gives me the poos ...even our performances - but this article and thread is seriously giving me the poos. Why do these people always do this to our club?
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The reason we have been so crap over the lasty few decades is that we devour our own instead of sticking fat through the tough times
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The reason we have been so crap over the lasty few decades is that we devour our own instead of sticking fat through the tough times
The reason we have been crap is through poor management.
Common knowledge that March has been in the gun for the past 12 months.
Tigermonk is correct
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Its FACT
There is problems at the club. Its only a matter of time before its all out :gotigers
LMFAO! Ther have been problems at the club for the last 30 years! Great wisdom!
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The reason we have been so crap over the lasty few decades is that we devour our own instead of sticking fat through the tough times
The reason we have been crap is through poor management.
Common knowledge that March has been in the gun for the past 12 months.
Tigermonk is correct
Yeah but he is not a member (And can afford it!) so his opinion doesn't count for Jack sh|t.
Why dont you guys go for the jobs at least that way our suffering will end once and for all, because the club would fold in a couple of years.
Seriously Jack, you know footy but your back stabbing and gossip on here shows what you would be like to work with and Tigermonk (Nuff said really) absolute einstein that guy ::)
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Ha Ha Ha! So True CUB! If we are such poor managers as a club then why do we have increased membership? Why do have better facilties? Why do we turn over profits? All this inspite of the worse win/loss record in the league?
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The reason we have been so crap over the lasty few decades is that we devour our own instead of sticking fat through the tough times
I disagree. We have been crap over 30 years especially since 96 because stupid board feed us a crock of poo whilst continuing to make the same mistakes over & over.
Walls didn't want to coach anymore so what do they do appoint him to coach us. He told everyone he had lost the passion.
The board sack him and unleash the Geisch. What a joke.
We were sold continual bull during frawleys coaching campain and we as supporters and members have listened and believed their poo for the last 5 years beleiving Milker and Wallet were seriously gonna give us some on field success because the right processess were on place for the future.
I'm sick of the crap they spin. Casey was an idiot and anyone that was involved with that DH should leave and not be allowed ever in the board again.
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I have to say not a lot gives me the poos ...even our performances - but this article and thread is seriously giving me the poos. Why do these people always do this to our club?
Because they are cowards Ramps
I was actually wondering how long into 2010 we would be before the group I call the "nameless, faceless and gutless crew" raised the heads once again.
ANd how about this gem:
The Sunday Age can also reveal a former Tiger champion was approached six weeks ago seeking his interest in forming a rival ticket.
''I just can't afford to have my name made public,'' the ex-player said when contacted yesterday.
About sums it up I reckon - pathetic
Have the guts to put your name out there and face the very people you will need on side to get onto the board for crying out loud.
:banghead :banghead
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timing is impeccable ::)
correct me if Im wrong but isnt march up for re election at the end of the year? Plenty of time to air your dirty laundry then, FFS some ppl are effing stupid
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As soon as I saw Mal Brown's name in the article I knew I was reading tripe.
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I have to say not a lot gives me the poos ...even our performances - but this article and thread is seriously giving me the poos. Why do these people always do this to our club?
Because they are cowards Ramps
I was actually wondering how long into 2010 we would be before the group I call the "nameless, faceless and gutless crew" raised the heads once again.
ANd how about this gem:
The Sunday Age can also reveal a former Tiger champion was approached six weeks ago seeking his interest in forming a rival ticket.
''I just can't afford to have my name made public,'' the ex-player said when contacted yesterday.
About sums it up I reckon - pathetic
Have the guts to put your name out there and face the very people you will need on side to get onto the board for crying out loud.
:banghead :banghead
Well there is movement behind the scences.
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I am sure there is from the gutless faceless balless wonders.
They should wait for another month or so when we still haven't won a game
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We should get someone with some real business savy and someone with a bit of public profile and Balls.
We should get that crazy johns guy to be president. :whistle ;)
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Unfortunately folks, there is history in the last four or five years that none of us here can deny and why if Tiggy Tiger decided to stand he'd have a great chance of upsetting this current board.
They've let a lot of people down
As far as I'm concerned the whole lot can rot in hell. And you can get rid of Campbell and Free while they're at it
Just make sure Mal Brown keeps his nose out of the joint or we'll be in Tasmania before you know it
:gotigers
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might be a bit hard for crazy john to run the RFC these days
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I have to say not a lot gives me the poos ...even our performances - but this article and thread is seriously giving me the poos. Why do these people always do this to our club?
Because they are cowards Ramps
I was actually wondering how long into 2010 we would be before the group I call the "nameless, faceless and gutless crew" raised the heads once again.
ANd how about this gem:
The Sunday Age can also reveal a former Tiger champion was approached six weeks ago seeking his interest in forming a rival ticket.
''I just can't afford to have my name made public,'' the ex-player said when contacted yesterday.
About sums it up I reckon - pathetic
Have the guts to put your name out there and face the very people you will need on side to get onto the board for crying out loud.
:banghead :banghead
Well there is movement behind the scences.
Do you think he'll be brave enough one day to let us know who he is ::)
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might be a bit hard for crazy john to run the RFC these days
yes we are cursed in all departments. No good Richmond people left in this world.
Maybe Rex will become a member and try his hand again. :banghead
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Mal Browne just loves to stick his boof head in and stir up trouble at richmond - he can eat crap.
Wasnt there talk on here a while back invlolving Raines and other un named people in regards to getting a place on the board?
Are people aware that these things can be done in a way that does not destabilise the whole club? Or is that what their agenda is?
Did I mention that Mal Brown can eat crap?
Keep your nose out of RFC Brown - Knob!
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God enough of this Tiger bagging crap already, leave us the stuff alone. We as supporters should go out and start digging up a bit of dirt about some of these so called reporters and putting it on the net. Why the hell can't they just let us ride this season out and sort any poo out at the end of the freaking year.. I, as a member, have just about had enough, fair dinkum if this crap keeps going on I think I will just give it away and follow my V8's, Moto GP racing, World Superbike Racing, watching and playing Golf and supporting my childrens sports. At least they don't carry on with this sort of crap all year round and they even support and find positives whith the teams that are less strong. Instead of listening to everyone bagging this club on the TV and radio and forums and etc ........ I could be out riding my bike with the mates and missus.
IS THE AFL WORTH THIS CRAP ANYMORE????? It's gone so beyond a game now that it's just not as enjoyable as it used to be IMO and it's NOT because we are not winning it's the poo that the games become!! :banghead
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our club is more a theatre event than a footy club now... the members deserve better!
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All this talk aside ,I'm just amazed that our club can just self destruct like this...I dont know whats happening in the club all i can base my opinions on is what i read and hear.Whether this is in fact true i have no idea.
but why are all these people ,past tiger champions and board members grumbling like this,whats prompting them to do this?is it genuine love for this proud club or is furtherment of their own personal agenda.......FFS i dont know,i wish i bloody well did.
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Oh great, ex-players getting involved and causing the same problems that has caused us to be crap for 30 years.
Here we go again, talk about de ja vu
:banghead :banghead :banghead
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why are all these people ,past tiger champions and board members grumbling like this,whats prompting them to do this?.
Probably a variety reasons Gigantor, but all the selfish.I'm sure some are just sad people who feel a need to somehow justify their pitiful existence.
Your not including Mal Brown as a past tiger champ are you? :whistle
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These faceless & nameless back room "power brokers" have had the same MO for years.
Have not seen it work to the betterment of the club yet.
Put up or shut up & then let the member decide.
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Oh great, ex-players getting involved and causing the same problems that has caused us to be crap for 30 years.
Here we go again, talk about de ja vu
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Hate to tell you this, today is the 9th May 2010, and as of today we are no better off ( or even worse) than we have been for 30 years.
Do you want this to continue ?
I dont .
Currently, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Did you also watch Dave Rodan yesterday,? We delisted him( didnt even trade him) but as of 4 months ago, we signed up Luke McGaune at $450,000 a year for 3 years.
If you think the current management at our club are doing a good job, your on drugs.
We recruit the wrong players ( Dustin Martin an expection ) and then we sign up average players on 3 year contracts.-McGaune.
We also bring in hacks like Hislop , McMahon etc etc
Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron have little idea in what is required.
I feel sorry for Hardwick ,nice bloke, but we NEED a leader/coach who is GOING TO BANG SOME HEADS.
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These faceless & nameless back room "power brokers" have had the same MO for years.
Have not seen it work to the betterment of the club yet.
Put up or shut up & then let the member decide.
Members did decide and I voted the wrong way.
Should never of voted for the Casey Ticket.
Current board members are lightweights with no balls
As was evident in the circus of events last year :banghead
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just out of interest if the football gods smiled upon us and we won 5 in a row would this backbiting go away?
is it our on field problems driving this ,or is it much more deep seated?
jack is right about one thing though the cousins/wallace episodes were indeed comical..sadly
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Members did decide and I voted the wrong way.
Should never of voted for the Casey Ticket.
You'll never know one way or the other because the Macek/Schwab ticket didn't get the gig.
If a ticket is put together it would likely be a waste of time, club's money for an election and effort as well as being nothing more than disruptive. The last challenge failed on the back of a $2.4m loss on top of on-field failure. Extremely unlikely one would succeed now.
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i hope i'm wrong ,but this off field sniggering does nothing to help the boys in Adelaide..God know what Hardwicke and lade think after reading the papers today
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So the question is who are the perpertrators putting up as a potential new president?
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Good question ramps.
Now from purely a politics side of thing ...Do you announce impending challenge to the board ,thereby hoping to destabilise the joint,or are these people that concerned with the state of affairs that they feel theres no point waiting
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I bet these guys dont even have a big name for a President "in waiting" Its just disgraceful! These guys need to say who they are putting up for President!
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Oh great, ex-players getting involved and causing the same problems that has caused us to be crap for 30 years.
Here we go again, talk about de ja vu
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Hate to tell you this, today is the 9th May 2010, and as of today we are no better off ( or even worse) than we have been for 30 years.
Do you want this to continue ?
I dont .
Currently, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Did you also watch Dave Rodan yesterday,? We delisted him( didnt even trade him) but as of 4 months ago, we signed up Luke McGaune at $450,000 a year for 3 years.
If you think the current management at our club are doing a good job, your on drugs.
We recruit the wrong players ( Dustin Martin an expection ) and then we sign up average players on 3 year contracts.-McGaune.
We also bring in hacks like Hislop , McMahon etc etc
Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron have little idea in what is required.
I feel sorry for Hardwick ,nice bloke, but we NEED a leader/coach who is GOING TO BANG SOME HEADS.
its those decisions that send us backwards. Mcguane should never have been given a contract, full stop but for 3 years at 450k. what an absolute joke. cameron should be shot in the head that effin loser. he can take jackson with him for recruiting for infesting this club with a bunch of crap.
IF WE WANT TO BE SERIOUS AND I MEAN REAL SERIOUS WE NEED TO CLEAN THE PLACE OUT WITH THE LIKES OF CAMERON AND JACKSON WHO HAVE PUT US IN THE MESS WE ARE IN NOW.
for the life of me i dont know why we didnt move heaven and earth for Balme. He has a soft spot for the Tigers and when he comments is generally interested in what we are all about. Unlike that fact farq Brown balme is a legend and would've ensured we are heading in the right direction. He is a Richmond man through and through
gale was the best thing the club could've done, but gee we cant go on till the whole place starts again and it must start from a new president.
Laidley would've been an absolute gem alongside Dimma. These left field decisions are what makes a club but time and time again we look for safer options which turn out to the wrong decisions.
when you have the calibre of Laidley, Balkme and Sheeds to an extent, these are quality people who should never have been dismissed to head up the footy department, instead we waste 450k on Mcguane
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Oh great, ex-players getting involved and causing the same problems that has caused us to be crap for 30 years.
Here we go again, talk about de ja vu
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Hate to tell you this, today is the 9th May 2010, and as of today we are no better off ( or even worse) than we have been for 30 years.
Do you want this to continue ?
I dont .
Currently, there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
Did you also watch Dave Rodan yesterday,? We delisted him( didnt even trade him) but as of 4 months ago, we signed up Luke McGaune at $450,000 a year for 3 years.
If you think the current management at our club are doing a good job, your on drugs.
We recruit the wrong players ( Dustin Martin an expection ) and then we sign up average players on 3 year contracts.-McGaune.
We also bring in hacks like Hislop , McMahon etc etc
Francis Jackson and Craig Cameron have little idea in what is required.
I feel sorry for Hardwick ,nice bloke, but we NEED a leader/coach who is GOING TO BANG SOME HEADS.
its those decisions that send us backwards. Mcguane should never have been given a contract, full stop but for 3 years at 450k. what an absolute joke. cameron should be shot in the head that effin loser. he can take jackson with him for recruiting for infesting this club with a bunch of crap.
IF WE WANT TO BE SERIOUS AND I MEAN REAL SERIOUS WE NEED TO CLEAN THE PLACE OUT WITH THE LIKES OF CAMERON AND JACKSON WHO HAVE PUT US IN THE MESS WE ARE IN NOW.
for the life of me i dont know why we didnt move heaven and earth for Balme. He has a soft spot for the Tigers and when he comments is generally interested in what we are all about. Unlike that fact farq Brown balme is a legend and would've ensured we are heading in the right direction. He is a Richmond man through and through
gale was the best thing the club could've done, but gee we cant go on till the whole place starts again and it must start from a new president.
Laidley would've been an absolute gem alongside Dimma. These left field decisions are what makes a club but time and time again we look for safer options which turn out to the wrong decisions.
when you have the calibre of Laidley, Balkme and Sheeds to an extent, these are quality people who should never have been dismissed to head up the footy department, instead we waste 450k on Mcguane
Correct.
In what do the RFC do instead,
Go with a coach who has to learn the caper
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coach is doing exactly what he was contracted to do- start again and rebuild the club. Hes got 10 out 10 for how he has gone about it so far!
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coach is doing exactly what he was contracted to do- start again and rebuild the club. Hes got 10 out 10 for how he has gone about it so far!
got no issue with Dimma. :thumbsup
100% correct he is doing what he said he would im happy with him.
Its Jackson, foremost and cameron who need to go. We are heading in a new era now and why on earth are they still on the books. :banghead :banghead
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Jackson may get the arse but Cameron will stay coz he managed to get himself a long term contract. :banghead
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Paul Gough (journo and Tiger supporter) wants the current Board given the stuff......
Tigers board must go
10/05/2010 1:36 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal
Those frustrated Richmond fans looking for someone to blame for the Tigers' dreadful predicament should focus their attention on the club's board of directors.
... it is certainly not the fault of new coach Damien Hardwick or other key personnel such as newly-appointed CEO Brendon Gale and recently-appointed head of football operations Craig Cameron.
Instead they are left to clean up the mess left behind by former coach Terry Wallace and former football operations manager Greg Miller, who failed to do the necessary team-building that Hardwick is now bravely implementing.
However the men responsible for the disastrous appointment of Wallace and offering him an initial five-year deal, as well as paying him so much that precious little was left to set up a proper recruiting network, are still involved at the club.
And that is the club's ineffectual board led by president Gary March, who has been there since 2002 and who has led the board since November 2005.
While it was former president Clinton Casey who appointed Wallace to succeed Danny Frawley at the end of 2004, March was the club's vice-president at the time and agreed to the decision as did fellow current board members Maurice O'Shannassy, Garry Cameron, Don Lord, John Matthies and Robert Dalton - who all remain on the club's board having also been part of the decision to appoint Wallace.
Read the full article here:
http://sportal.com.au/opinion-display/tigers-board-must-go-90980
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Maurice O'Shannassy joined the board 9/11/2004
Rob Dalton joined the board 22/12/2004
Terry Wallace was appointed 10/08/2004
Piddle off Paul Gough, and take your ill-informed crap agenda with you.
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Maurice O'Shannassy joined the board 9/11/2004
Rob Dalton joined the board 22/12/2004
Terry Wallace was appointed 10/08/2004
Piddle off Paul Gough, and take your ill-informed crap agenda with you.
I agree with FF but Gough has made some valid points, March was VP when Casey was President and hes been there a long time as have some other board members.
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Agree with FF and Ramps. Need some new blood on the board too. SOme have been there too long and have overseen various regimes. Boards need to change regularly as those members who are there too long become comfortable and stagnant and are difficult to dislodge. I think it should be done like a U.S presidency type of system. Every 6-8 years you step down and allow a new member to replace you. That way ideas stay fresh and you don't have antequated dinosaurs running agendas that get you nowhere.