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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on May 09, 2010, 07:26:30 PM
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No sour grapes u walk away from the game at 3qtr time and your a happy RFC member.
But the writing is on the wall
Not in the 2011 Richmond Jumper
Jackson
Tambling
Rance
Moore
And the players that arent good enough to get games in this side
Graham
King
McMahon
Retirees
Simmonds
Cousins
Will be lucky
Newman
Polak
I'll be dissapointed if the club doesn't make the decisions to move these players out of the club. I'd gamble on pick 70 (Ben Nason) over any of those players.
No1 can convince me that these players deserve the right to go around again, as harsh as that statement is they just haven't fulfilled there contract in performing at the expected level.
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not too far pope give or take 1 or 2 ....if we had a half decent ruck I reckon we would have battled it our alright, you know your down when Maric was like Polly farmer :o
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
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l would sack Rewoldt for being a softy watching players doing his work while walking & consistantly watching Nahas contest, tackle, time & time again
get Rid of Rewoldt 1st cause the guys down the ground are tired of him cause his a passenger
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
did you see the first couple of quarters that was all Hardwick.. we dont have the payers to deliver
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the whole joint has NFI!
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
coached pretty well for the first 3q.
but when
Jackson, Rance, White, Collins, Polo, Newman, Polak et al ... make shocking errors no coach can do anything. At key moments some of these players made shocking errors. Theres nothing anyone can do.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
did you see the first couple of quarters that was all Hardwick.. we dont have the payers to deliver
Just because the club makes an appointment, it doesnt mean its the correct one.
I have seen nothing so far in 2010 to say that Hardwick has any idea.
The KICK INS are a TOTAL DISGRACE
And the work at stoppages is woeful
WATCH THE TV PEOPLE.
All our players stand behind there opponents at stoppages
Total rabble
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
coached pretty well for the first 3q.
but when
Jackson, Rance, White, Collins, Polo, Newman, Polak et al ... make shocking errors no coach can do anything. At key moments some of these players made shocking errors. Theres nothing anyone can do.
Adelaide were ordinary for 3 quarters you mean
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
coached pretty well for the first 3q.
but when
Jackson, Rance, White, Collins, Polo, Newman, Polak et al ... make shocking errors no coach can do anything. At key moments some of these players made shocking errors. Theres nothing anyone can do.
Adelaide were ordinary for 3 quarters you mean
You cant have it all your way Jacko! Hardwick is going ok, but we have 6 or 7 players who make critical mistakes at key moments. Thats the sum of it all. Have a look at what happened that opened the floodgates in the last - the same players making the same mistakes, failing to win key contests, turning over the footy. Not even God could coach this rabble.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
FFS give it a rest! Bagging people only makes you FEEL better! It doesnt MAKE you better and does not help the club!
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
When that many players that Popelord mentioned are in the gun to go at the end of the season as they are not up to standard and there are definentely at least 4 or 5 players who were not even mentioned then how can you blame the coach when there are at least 15 blokes on this list as a minimum and at least 12 today who played.
To blame Hardwick on the state of the list is ludicrous and to blame him on the game plan that is in its infancy with useless players in the side is even more so. I think the jury is still out on Hardwick. After seven games and with the decay our list is in Hardwick cannot be held responsible in any way. If your finger is severed doctors don't cut off your arm from the shoulder. Jack its crazy to blame Hardwick for this.
I think every RFC member who held a membership from 2005-09 should take out a class action law suit against the Dried Sultana for negligence and claim damages the $600,000 a season he embezzled. Now there is your culprit.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
l would sack Rewoldt for being a softy watching players doing his work while walking & consistantly watching Nahas contest, tackle, time & time again
get Rid of Rewoldt 1st cause the guys down the ground are tired of him cause his a passenger
B1 and B2
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
When that many players that Popelord mentioned are in the gun to go at the end of the season as they are not up to standard and there are definentely at least 4 or 5 players who were not even mentioned then how can you blame the coach when there are at least 15 blokes on this list as a minimum and at least 12 today who played.
To blame Hardwick on the state of the list is ludicrous and to blame him on the game plan that is in its infancy with useless players in the side is even more so. I think the jury is still out on Hardwick. After seven games and with the decay our list is in Hardwick cannot be held responsible in any way. If your finger is severed doctors don't cut off your arm from the shoulder. Jack its crazy to blame Hardwick for this.
I think every RFC member who held a membership from 2005-09 should take out a class action law suit against the Dried Sultana for negligence and claim damages the $600,000 a season he embezzled. Now there is your culprit.
i agree with your thoughts on Wallace.
But facts are as follows.
Players have gone backwards under Hardwicks coaching, can name 8 if you want. ( i dont want players delisted at years end who can actually play, we dont want another David Rodan , do we ? )
The kick in are a joke, watched suburban footy yesterday and they have better idea :banghead
The stoppages are just as bad.
If you cant see that, check your eyes or your TV set
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
LOL your a pisstaking troll Jack.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
LOL your a peetaking troll Jack.
I aint.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
When that many players that Popelord mentioned are in the gun to go at the end of the season as they are not up to standard and there are definentely at least 4 or 5 players who were not even mentioned then how can you blame the coach when there are at least 15 blokes on this list as a minimum and at least 12 today who played.
To blame Hardwick on the state of the list is ludicrous and to blame him on the game plan that is in its infancy with useless players in the side is even more so. I think the jury is still out on Hardwick. After seven games and with the decay our list is in Hardwick cannot be held responsible in any way. If your finger is severed doctors don't cut off your arm from the shoulder. Jack its crazy to blame Hardwick for this.
I think every RFC member who held a membership from 2005-09 should take out a class action law suit against the Dried Sultana for negligence and claim damages the $600,000 a season he embezzled. Now there is your culprit.
i agree with your thoughts on Wallace.
But facts are as follows.
Players have gone backwards under Hardwicks coaching, can name 8 if you want. ( i dont want players delisted at years end who can actually play, we dont want another David Rodan , do we ? )
The kick in are a joke, watched suburban footy yesterday and they have better idea :banghead
The stoppages are just as bad.
If you cant see that, check your eyes or your TV set
Some players are not up to task and you know who they are as most on here do. Once again you can't blame Hardwick for that. It not about adjusting tv sets or watching other games at AFL level or suburban or country level. It's just there are players on our list that would not be on any other AFL lists and unfortunantely we can't get rid of 25-30 players in one hit. McMahon is one of these players but has he had a look in this season? No. Says alot about our list especially the towelling Jordy has got from me and many others on the forum. More I think about it the more I think Hardwick is doing the right thing. Getting rid of the bad eggs is part of a whole process of change.
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No sour grapes u walk away from the game at 3qtr time and your a happy RFC member.
But the writing is on the wall
Not in the 2011 Richmond Jumper
Jackson
Tambling
Rance
Moore
And the players that arent good enough to get games in this side
Graham
King
McMahon
Retirees
Simmonds
Cousins
Will be lucky
Newman
Polak
Harsh on Polak, he was pretty good for his first game back this year.
Moore had Scott Stevens pretty much shut out of the game, he's been ok this year, I'd rather trade Newman who is easier to replace
Reckon Tambling was ok in the first half but terrible 2nd half, tough injury run this year, not going to give up on him yet
The rest I can't really complain about
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No sour grapes u walk away from the game at 3qtr time and your a happy RFC member.
But the writing is on the wall
Not in the 2011 Richmond Jumper
Jackson
Tambling
Rance
Moore
And the players that arent good enough to get games in this side
Graham
King
McMahon
Retirees
Simmonds
Cousins
Will be lucky
Newman
Polak
Harsh on Polak, he was pretty good for his first game back this year.
Moore had Scott Stevens pretty much shut out of the game, he's been ok this year, I'd rather trade Newman who is easier to replace
Reckon Tambling was ok in the first half but terrible 2nd half, tough injury run this year, not going to give up on him yet
The rest I can't really complain about
Thought you would have harked up more than that with this list Inf, Tambling & Rance both very young... :thumbsup
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Hard to argue on most of them, I'm harsher on Newman than most as well
Rance has been pretty bad, but will go on to another club and bite us on the ass far worse than anyone like Rodan ever did (even though it was the right decision to get rid of him)
Haven't given support to many/any of the others I didn't in my last post
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
Jack blaming the coach is just a cop out. Its the soft excuse and the easy way out we've used for 25 years, for far too long.
The coach you want/need the club to appoint to magically turn the side that has maybe 1-5 players that are capable of polling brownlow votes and 8-12 player that are capable of influence a result at AFL level by competing and contributing.
No man or woman on this earth can be appointed that can make this list competitive in 2010. (An amazingly harsh with all due respects to the players, but when your bottom 15 are VFL reserve standard, which is the result of Coburg 1's getting smashed you cant expect to get AFL standard contribution from your depth. Which is what makes St.Kilda/Geelong so good.)
Agree the stoppages are horrible. But the same is with Hawthorn, why? The disrespect both clubs has shown towards the positions of ruckman by not properly stocking the club with ruck stocks.
The kick ins have been a problem since I've been born. The magical wand that we've all expected a new coach to swing to fix has not happened, and thus our kick ins are still the worst in the AFL. What we can see and respect is that different plans have been tried. Better to have tried and failed then to continue to make the same mistakes (chipping around the backline for the last 10 years)
I promise you Malthouse or Thompson wouldn't have this list going in a better direction. We player 3 qtrs of decent football with confidence and in the last qtr we just fell over. That is not as a result of any deficiency of the game plan. The reason why we lost is because its a too big of ask for our team to play at there optimum level for 4 qtrs. They are human and have lull quiet periods. Our lull and quiet periods are noncompetitive. Compare that to a lull period for Geelong where they lazily start to let a side look competitive and you see the contrasts and differences.
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Agree Inf, Polak was good today but he'll be 27 by the half way mark next year. He'll probably stay on the list, factors being others to go before him and we have KP deficiencies.
Youth isn't the word or category we should be focusing on when looking at our list. It's currency.
Rance and Tambling are both youngish in terms of the average football age. But you'd be trading Tambling for youth. Same with Rance.
Tambling and Rance are 15th-20th picked in the side. If you could replace them with a pick 15 and pick 30 your chance to pick up a Rioli, Melksham, Bastinac type player.
List Management is the key IMO. No gameplan or messiah player or coach will fix our club. the next 2 years list decisions will make or break us.
Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
Its hypothetical but all of a sudden you start to get the idea of the formula that can turn the list around. Finish bottom 4 again next year and you can start to look at trading a Rance or Post plus a 4th rounder pick for a high 2nd rounder etc..
It not about youth or potential its about currency. Keep your currency and you can sustain success. Hold onto playes for too long and you lose currency. There is no reason to hold onto players that wont be in your next premiership.
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Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
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Popelord l dont know what planet your on but you are seriously all stuffed up
you must think every club in the afl will stand aside to let RFC get what they want
grow a brain waterboy :rollin
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IMO I think it has been unlucky to be drafted to Richmond.
I'm sure some of these kids must have been absolute guns before draft day but now they are just going backwards.
As a father I would be wrapped that my son got drafted to Richmond, but deep down I would be peeed if I seen a young player drafted from the same club as my son, to say Collingwood and not as good as my son but in 5 years he was lauded as a future star & my son was going backwards in his development.
IMO we are 3-5 years behind most clubs in this area. Let's hope with the new facilities finally being built and the new development department finally being implimented with some full time people hopefully all these new players can be taught and developed and we see sustained improvement.
For those players that are too infected with Tigeritis (ie. Tambling) then we must let them go they will be another clubs problem. But for those players which are only mildly infected maybe HARDwick & his merry men can cure them before it's too late.
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Agree with Tuckerbag. Jury still out on Hardwick. For us to be competitive a big clean out is needed. Get rid of White as well. I would keep Moore. He has tried hard this year. Was very good against Melbourne. Trade Newman. Desperately need a ruckman.
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Jack blaming the coach is just a cop out. Its the soft excuse and the easy way out we've used for 25 years, for far too long.
The coach you want/need the club to appoint to magically turn the side that has maybe 1-5 players that are capable of polling brownlow votes and 8-12 player that are capable of influence a result at AFL level by competing and contributing.
No man or woman on this earth can be appointed that can make this list competitive in 2010. (An amazingly harsh with all due respects to the players, but when your bottom 15 are VFL reserve standard, which is the result of Coburg 1's getting smashed you cant expect to get AFL standard contribution from your depth. Which is what makes St.Kilda/Geelong so good.)
Agree the stoppages are horrible. But the same is with Hawthorn, why? The disrespect both clubs has shown towards the positions of ruckman by not properly stocking the club with ruck stocks.
The kick ins have been a problem since I've been born. The magical wand that we've all expected a new coach to swing to fix has not happened, and thus our kick ins are still the worst in the AFL. What we can see and respect is that different plans have been tried. Better to have tried and failed then to continue to make the same mistakes (chipping around the backline for the last 10 years)
I promise you Malthouse or Thompson wouldn't have this list going in a better direction. We player 3 qtrs of decent football with confidence and in the last qtr we just fell over. That is not as a result of any deficiency of the game plan. The reason why we lost is because its a too big of ask for our team to play at there optimum level for 4 qtrs. They are human and have lull quiet periods. Our lull and quiet periods are noncompetitive. Compare that to a lull period for Geelong where they lazily start to let a side look competitive and you see the contrasts and differences.
Yep, fully agree and add to that the age of our kids means that it is a physical impossibility to keep up that intensity and run out 4 full quarters. They don't have the stamina or physicality to do that yet. Physically impossible, regardless of how hard you try or how much you want it. All those applauding the decision to clean out the list need to keep that in mind when assessing each game on it's merits. The only games we will win this year will be ones where we are in front by a bit at 3/4 time.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
Jack blaming the coach is just a cop out. Its the soft excuse and the easy way out we've used for 25 years, for far too long.
The coach you want/need the club to appoint to magically turn the side that has maybe 1-5 players that are capable of polling brownlow votes and 8-12 player that are capable of influence a result at AFL level by competing and contributing.
No man or woman on this earth can be appointed that can make this list competitive in 2010. (An amazingly harsh with all due respects to the players, but when your bottom 15 are VFL reserve standard, which is the result of Coburg 1's getting smashed you cant expect to get AFL standard contribution from your depth. Which is what makes St.Kilda/Geelong so good.)
Agree the stoppages are horrible. But the same is with Hawthorn, why? The disrespect both clubs has shown towards the positions of ruckman by not properly stocking the club with ruck stocks.
The kick ins have been a problem since I've been born. The magical wand that we've all expected a new coach to swing to fix has not happened, and thus our kick ins are still the worst in the AFL. What we can see and respect is that different plans have been tried. Better to have tried and failed then to continue to make the same mistakes (chipping around the backline for the last 10 years)
I promise you Malthouse or Thompson wouldn't have this list going in a better direction. We player 3 qtrs of decent football with confidence and in the last qtr we just fell over. That is not as a result of any deficiency of the game plan. The reason why we lost is because its a too big of ask for our team to play at there optimum level for 4 qtrs. They are human and have lull quiet periods. Our lull and quiet periods are noncompetitive. Compare that to a lull period for Geelong where they lazily start to let a side look competitive and you see the contrasts and differences.
Why do you think I am harsh on Hardwick?
Who is to blame for the players being instructed to kicks to contests at kick ins and to the opposition ruckman TWO weeks in a row? The Bootstudder ?
And who is to blame for the onballers standing behind the opponents at Centre Bounces ?? The waterboys ?
HARDWICK CANT GET THE BASICS RIGHT, how on earth are we going to go forward, YOU TELL ME.
And look at the players that have gone backwards?
I dont want Richard Tambling to leave, but he will turn into another Dave Rodan if he left.
Richard Tambling can play, just ask Jade Rawlings,
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Why do you think I am harsh on Hardwick?
Who is to blame for the players being instructed to kicks to contests at kick ins and to the opposition ruckman TWO weeks in a row? The Bootstudder ?
And who is to blame for the onballers standing behind the opponents at Centre Bounces ?? The waterboys ?
HARDWICK CANT GET THE BASICS RIGHT, how on earth are we going to go forward, YOU TELL ME.
And look at the players that have gone backwards?
I dont want Richard Tambling to leave, but he will turn into another Dave Rodan if he left.
Richard Tambling can play, just ask Jade Rawlings,
Jack, you must have to replace the <CTRL> <V> keys on your keyboard with monotonous regularity!
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Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
Long term Infamy.
We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
It's harsh but if guys that retired playing at Richmond were traded 3-4 years earlier we'd have kept that currency on our list instead of having that currency lost to being retired.
Building a list is all about upgrading currency. In 3 years time you could trade a Ben Nason for a 3rd round pick. Effectively you have turned your pick 71 into a 3rd rounder that could be a Ryan Bastinac or David Astbury.
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Popelord l dont know what planet your on but you are seriously all stuffed up
you must think every club in the afl will stand aside to let RFC get what they want
grow a brain waterboy :rollin
Its hypothetical.
You're an uneducated hill-billy, don't comment on things you don't understand.
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Before you sack one player
Why dont you look at the coach.
WHO IS CLEARLY NOT UP TO THE TASK
Jack blaming the coach is just a cop out. Its the soft excuse and the easy way out we've used for 25 years, for far too long.
The coach you want/need the club to appoint to magically turn the side that has maybe 1-5 players that are capable of polling brownlow votes and 8-12 player that are capable of influence a result at AFL level by competing and contributing.
No man or woman on this earth can be appointed that can make this list competitive in 2010. (An amazingly harsh with all due respects to the players, but when your bottom 15 are VFL reserve standard, which is the result of Coburg 1's getting smashed you cant expect to get AFL standard contribution from your depth. Which is what makes St.Kilda/Geelong so good.)
Agree the stoppages are horrible. But the same is with Hawthorn, why? The disrespect both clubs has shown towards the positions of ruckman by not properly stocking the club with ruck stocks.
The kick ins have been a problem since I've been born. The magical wand that we've all expected a new coach to swing to fix has not happened, and thus our kick ins are still the worst in the AFL. What we can see and respect is that different plans have been tried. Better to have tried and failed then to continue to make the same mistakes (chipping around the backline for the last 10 years)
I promise you Malthouse or Thompson wouldn't have this list going in a better direction. We player 3 qtrs of decent football with confidence and in the last qtr we just fell over. That is not as a result of any deficiency of the game plan. The reason why we lost is because its a too big of ask for our team to play at there optimum level for 4 qtrs. They are human and have lull quiet periods. Our lull and quiet periods are noncompetitive. Compare that to a lull period for Geelong where they lazily start to let a side look competitive and you see the contrasts and differences.
Why do you think I am harsh on Hardwick?
Who is to blame for the players being instructed to kicks to contests at kick ins and to the opposition ruckman TWO weeks in a row? The Bootstudder ?
And who is to blame for the onballers standing behind the opponents at Centre Bounces ?? The waterboys ?
HARDWICK CANT GET THE BASICS RIGHT, how on earth are we going to go forward, YOU TELL ME.
And look at the players that have gone backwards?
I dont want Richard Tambling to leave, but he will turn into another Dave Rodan if he left.
Richard Tambling can play, just ask Jade Rawlings,
Your right Jack the buck does stop with him.
Ask Sheedy, Malthouse and Matthews how many ides they have had have failed?
Your expectations of Hardwick within 7 rounds have been unreasonable.
He hasn't come in and replica'd Wallace and try for 5 years the same chipping, tempo run and carry game style that never worked. He's tried something that could have worked and failed. If we continue to do this in 5 weeks time then questions should be asked. there is nothing wrong with making mistakes and failing. It's how you learn from then that counts.
If we don't learn from these failures and try something different with the next 5 weeks then your criticism would be warranted. Its unfair to throw stones for getting it wrong the first time.
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Another perspective on this, posted on Tiger-Talk:
> Just on this - we could flood back and play ugly. We're not doing
> this - we're going man on man. Flooding back would stem the losses,
> make the matches closer. But playing man on man teaches the players
> more.
Also, with the onus on the players to carry out Hardwick's instructions, and
with nowhere to hide, I am sure the coaching staff will be readily
identifying who can take us forward, and who cannot. Who can apply the
playing rules, and who is struggling to understand their role, who is
willing to learn, who is stubborn or incapable, who is battling on in the
face of such overwhelming adversity, who is playing safe and selfish...?
All these things are valuable learning tools for the coaches - and those
players who will be taking us forward. Losing due to youth is somewhat more
palatable than losing with experienced bodies in the team (as per 2009). Our
youth is why I'm not hating this year as much as last year. I'm hoping
skills, strength and fitness will be improved over time.
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/93205 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/93205)
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Because Newman, Tambling and Rance aren't dominating you get rid of them? Ridiculous calls. Most of you guys probably can't even kick a footy. 8)
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Because Newman, Tambling and Rance aren't dominating you get rid of them? Ridiculous calls. Most of you guys probably can't even kick a footy. 8)
ok einstein so you would rather hold onto a Tambling or Rance till they are worthless. You cant be serious.
Part of our problem is we have haven't been able to let go of players who arent to it.
They are not up to it anyone with a heartbeat can see that.
You cant teach a player to get in the packs and throw his body arounbd, and tambling has had 6 years to get in there. Now the club needs to look after its members and if there is a chance we can get a second rounder from GC17 we need to seriously look at that.
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Richard Tambling , 7 great/good games out of 102 says it all
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Richard Tambling , 7 great/good games out of 102 says it all
You might want to go through our list, tally their games up and their great/good games against them, I bet you would be surprised, then see who you actually wan't gone!! I dare say there would be more average players than Richie, actually you would be lucky to find some that have played a Great/good game. :thumbsup
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Football is a big business played by big boys.
Trading players is part and parcel of the game now. It's not the 1980's and its insulting for players and supporters to trade players.
It can be a win win for both parties. The players that wont be apart of our next successful era can either waste away and achieve at best maybe 1-2 years of finals in there 30s or go to a more successful club play in finals whilst there previous club can get a player that will be 23-28 in its successful era.
Its common sense list management. We need to accept the fact we wont win a flag for probably 5 years. anyone who is older than 29 in 5 years time should not be on the list next regardless of who they are. We should be doing everything we can to keep there currency at the club and not waste away to achieve nothing and retire.
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Agree Inf, Polak was good today but he'll be 27 by the half way mark next year. He'll probably stay on the list, factors being others to go before him and we have KP deficiencies.
Youth isn't the word or category we should be focusing on when looking at our list. It's currency.
Rance and Tambling are both youngish in terms of the average football age. But you'd be trading Tambling for youth. Same with Rance.
Tambling and Rance are 15th-20th picked in the side. If you could replace them with a pick 15 and pick 30 your chance to pick up a Rioli, Melksham, Bastinac type player.
List Management is the key IMO. No gameplan or messiah player or coach will fix our club. the next 2 years list decisions will make or break us.
Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
Its hypothetical but all of a sudden you start to get the idea of the formula that can turn the list around. Finish bottom 4 again next year and you can start to look at trading a Rance or Post plus a 4th rounder pick for a high 2nd rounder etc..
It not about youth or potential its about currency. Keep your currency and you can sustain success. Hold onto playes for too long and you lose currency. There is no reason to hold onto players that wont be in your next premiership.
I realise that you are working on hypotheticals Popelord, but we are unlikely to get great deals for our players. They are more valuable to us than other clubs. The Gold Coast are unlikely to give up top draft picks for players from struggling clubs. A number of clubs are hoping they will, but it is unlikely. The whole point of having the draft up there is so they can generate hype over their new kids. Other clubs will look to us for bargains rather than give us fair value.
What we need to get better at is player development and talent identification. Who would have thought that the Dockers would suddenly look like recruiting geniuses :lol We need to find our own Broughtons and Barlows, as well as nailing the number four draft pick. Lids should be part of our core going forward as we would never get fair value for him. We can't hope that GC or GWS will be profligate with their draft picks as with the kids coming through and their salary cap concessions they don't need to be.
It's going to be tough, but we just need to hang in there :pray
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Football is a big business played by big boys.
Trading players is part and parcel of the game now. It's not the 1980's and its insulting for players and supporters to trade players.
It can be a win win for both parties. The players that wont be apart of our next successful era can either waste away and achieve at best maybe 1-2 years of finals in there 30s or go to a more successful club play in finals whilst there previous club can get a player that will be 23-28 in its successful era.
Its common sense list management. We need to accept the fact we wont win a flag for probably 5 years. anyone who is older than 29 in 5 years time should not be on the list next regardless of who they are. We should be doing everything we can to keep there currency at the club and not waste away to achieve nothing and retire.
Do you think that we would be able to get fair value?
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A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
Long term Infamy.
We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.
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Its hypothetical.
You're an uneducated hill-billy, don't comment on things you don't understand.
Your OER tosser the biggest dreamer on this forum :wallywink
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A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
Long term Infamy.
We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.
Completly understand. Its all about player currency. If we traded Deledio to a club who somehow were able to trade us back 2 top 10 draft picks, you'd be struggiling to argue that Brett is worth more in currency than a duo of Trengrove and Cunnington.
If we were to trade Tambling to St.Kilda who could replace Goddard in the backline to free him up forward and get there first pick a pick in the 20's and pick up a Nathan Fyfe, Mitch Duncan or Ryan Bastinac. You'd be struggling to argue that Bling has more currency than one of these players.
Its all about assessing our list and individual players and what there currency is in terms of AFL standards. If we can win out on a few trades it will only improve our list. It may seem like robbing Peter to pay Paul but if you rob Peter of $200 and pay Paul $150 you have $50 left over.
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A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
Long term Infamy.
We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.
""Moore to hard to replace"" :banghead
:jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :jump :jump
What medication are you people on
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Moore has gone backwards the most in the side :rollin
cant even kick properly & has been around before 2004
Think he would learn how to kick a goal close in after 6 years
How many has he missed ;D
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Would keep Moore. Definitely keep Foley and Brett. Open to trade Newman.
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Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
Long term Infamy.
We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.
""Moore to hard to replace"" :banghead
:jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :jump :jump
What medication are you people on
He is by far our most consistent and reliable kpp defender, even though he shouldn't be playing as one. He plays on talls and small, even shut Scott Stevens out of the game against Adelaide. You want to get rid of McGuane, well who the hell else can play kpp defender if we get rid of Moore and McGuane?
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Nothing but hard work and time will fix our problems . Sackings at this stage will only put us back another couple of years.
The hysterical, negative vile that sporns from the pain we all fell achieves nothing. How about some real positive practical suggestions - didn't think so.
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I would not delist Tambling or Rance.
Would have thought Polak, White and the other bloke who missed the goal in the third trouble would be gone first
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would not trade Deledio to gold coast either ...
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based purely on strengths weakness and performances i think people are being lenient.
at seasons end
retirees
cousins,
simmonds.
delistees based on strengths weakness and over all performance.
graham
king
mcmahon
white
polak.
to me these blokes are certs.
delistees fighting for their lives at least 3 of these have to go this yr.they are all players you would not blink if they did go.some may well finally establish themselves but atm all are expendable.
jackson
mcguane
polo
thomson
tuck
tambling
roberts.
nahas
thus far thats 15 players and all are 22 yrs of age or over. two or 3 may have some trade value.
then we have younger players who probably deserve a little more time but in some cases dont look likely and in others just have to take the next step as they have shown a bit at times.
browne
collins
connors
edwards
farmer
rance
webberley
hislop
all are under 22. but in some cases age does not excuse the lack of performance or deficiency.im hopeful of at least 4 making it fingers crossed.
to me this is realistic and paints a true picture of the work that needs to be done.
it will take time patience and lots of smarts and plain old common sense to turn it around over a 3 to 5yr time frame.
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Upgrade currency.
A trade of Deledio to Gold Coast for Picks 2 and 3.
Trade Newman and Moore for pick 18 to Brisbane.
Trade Foley and pick 29 for pick 10 to Essendon.
Trade Tambling to Sydney for pick 22
We finish last and we have picks 2, 3, 4, 10, 18, 22. Minus Deledio, Newman, Moore, Foley and Tambling.
We wouldn't win a game for 2 years if we did that
Long term Infamy.
We wont win a premiership in Newman or Moore's AFL lifetime. Must trade their currency. The only hard trade to swallow would be Deledio but if we were compensated properly we would benefit long term.
I have no problem with trading Newman especially and have posted many times that I think we should do this. Moore I think is too hard to replace and is still only 26 however would listen to offers.
The ones I have issue with are Deledio, Tambling & Foley, they are still just kids and you're giving away a high quality player for a chance of getting another one, but you won't know for 3-5 years. Sorry but that's just cutting your nose of to spite your face. They need to be our core players, not the ones we get rid of.
""Moore to hard to replace"" :banghead
:jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :jump :jump
What medication are you people on
He is by far our most consistent and reliable kpp defender, even though he shouldn't be playing as one. He plays on talls and small, even shut Scott Stevens out of the game against Adelaide. You want to get rid of McGuane, well who the hell else can play kpp defender if we get rid of Moore and McGuane?
Oooohhh, He shut that CHAMPION Scott Stevens out of the game, gee thats a big scalp, LOL YOUR AN IMECILE IMFAMY
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He can only do the role he's been given
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Jack he did his job. Does it matter the calibre of opponent in anyones opinion.
Is that a reflection on Moore or on Adelaide? :shh
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Jack he did his job. Does it matter the calibre of opponent in anyones opinion.
Is that a reflection on Moore or on Adelaide? :shh
The best defender is the one you don't notice! Kel's our best defender!
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I thought he was good and another thing that umpiring decision where he was not paid a free when Burton was holding his leg was terrible as well as a few others, but getting back to Kel I thought he was good and has been our best defender all year. Pity he missed that running shot at goal in the third.
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based purely on strengths weakness and performances i think people are being lenient.
at seasons end
retirees
cousins,
simmonds.
delistees based on strengths weakness and over all performance.
graham
king
mcmahon
white
polak.
to me these blokes are certs.
delistees fighting for their lives at least 3 of these have to go this yr.they are all players you would not blink if they did go.some may well finally establish themselves but atm all are expendable.
jackson
mcguane
polo
thomson
tuck
tambling
roberts.
nahas
thus far thats 15 players and all are 22 yrs of age or over. two or 3 may have some trade value.
then we have younger players who probably deserve a little more time but in some cases dont look likely and in others just have to take the next step as they have shown a bit at times.
browne
collins
connors
edwards
farmer
rance
webberley
hislop
all are under 22. but in some cases age does not excuse the lack of performance or deficiency.im hopeful of at least 4 making it fingers crossed.
to me this is realistic and paints a true picture of the work that needs to be done.
it will take time patience and lots of smarts and plain old common sense to turn it around over a 3 to 5yr time frame.
cousins and simmonds fair enough
our ruck stocks are so weak Graham might get another go due to his size... ie. hawthorns trouble now
white is a fighter but lacks talent so he is 50/50 but rather young still
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Richard Tambling can play, just ask Jade Rawlings,
:o :o
Is this the same Jade Rawlings you constantly bagged for the last 7 weeks of season 2009? Who you claimed couldn't coach and had absolutely no idea? Is that the bloke you mean?
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based purely on strengths weakness and performances i think people are being lenient.
at seasons end
retirees
cousins,
simmonds.
delistees based on strengths weakness and over all performance.
graham
king
mcmahon
white
polak.
to me these blokes are certs.
delistees fighting for their lives at least 3 of these have to go this yr.they are all players you would not blink if they did go.some may well finally establish themselves but atm all are expendable.
jackson
mcguane
polo
thomson
tuck
tambling
roberts.
nahas
thus far thats 15 players and all are 22 yrs of age or over. two or 3 may have some trade value.
then we have younger players who probably deserve a little more time but in some cases dont look likely and in others just have to take the next step as they have shown a bit at times.
browne
collins
connors
edwards
farmer
rance
webberley
hislop
all are under 22. but in some cases age does not excuse the lack of performance or deficiency.im hopeful of at least 4 making it fingers crossed.
to me this is realistic and paints a true picture of the work that needs to be done.
it will take time patience and lots of smarts and plain old common sense to turn it around over a 3 to 5yr time frame.
cousins and simmonds fair enough
our ruck stocks are so weak Graham might get another go due to his size... ie. hawthorns trouble now
white is a fighter but lacks talent so he is 50/50 but rather young still
so the purpose of the reply is for what. dont tell me you think only cousins and simmonds are definates to go.
i named 7 with another 8 who have to go sooner or later. 3 of whom we must turn over for a total of 10 minimum. all players were 22 or over and been in the system for a minimum 4 yrs. sorry apart from king whos a 26 yr old.
i dont get this here people are saying be patient give the kids time but it isnt the kids people are after its under performing senior players who heve regularly been the lynchpins to bottom 4 finishes over a long period of time.
on white sheesh hes deplorable and is in his 6th season turns 23 this yr. angus graham the one who is almost totally devoid of talent he is the exception to my rule of giving players a decent amount of time to prove themselves. he should have been delisted after 2 seasons. as for our lack of ruck stocks there are many many better options out there than graham and none would cost to much.
why would we want to hang onto a player we know is not good enough, at the least take a kid and see what he offers up rather than allow a dud to continue to clog up the list.
if it were up to me i would be looking to utilise 7 nd picks. i would be looking to trade into a ruckman, a big bodied experienced tall forward and ditto down back. i would do this if possible thru the psd and player for player trades.
i would also be looking at 3 rookie selections. so decisions will have to be made on gourdis gilligan polak and roberts.our selections should go something like this. 4 27 28 45 62 78 etc.psd plus rookies.
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Kelvin is certainly our best defender but if we are going to rebuild the list properly there are more advantages in trading him for a 18 year old
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To state the obvious we have a shortage of quality tall defenders. Moore was good against Adelaide and was very good against Melbourne. Believe should retain Will and Moore.
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Feels like yesterday I was managing our list for delistings with Hughes, Cogs, Brown etc.
What we know so far.
Simmonds cant stay next year. Graham does a good of a job as Simmonds can do.
McMahon. Ill be kind and just leave it at that. 10000-1 to be given another contract.
Cousins. Unless he storms home I can't see any scenario Cousins staying. Maybe his mentor role will save him. Maybe other delistings will help also.
Polak I can't see be given a spot on the list, I don't know the rule for re-rookie a mature age?
Thats 4.
Are these guys AFL Standard and deserve a spot.
Jake King isn't AFL standard. Wont be back next year.
Adam Thompson. Is 23 and cant has played maybe 20 AFL games? Jury may be out.
Tom Hislop. Will probably be safe due to the fact there are lots to go before him. But still think he needs to play the 2nd half of the year in the side to warrant a spot next year. I don't think he's of standard.
Trades.
Matty White?
Chris Newman?
Luke McGuane?
Alex Rance?
Dean Polo?
Mitch Morton? (Can't believe the decline of Mitch I really hope he turns it around)
Fire Away..
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Feels like yesterday I was managing our list for delistings with Hughes, Cogs, Brown etc.
What we know so far.
Simmonds cant stay next year. Graham does a good of a job as Simmonds can do.
McMahon. Ill be kind and just leave it at that. 10000-1 to be given another contract.
Cousins. Unless he storms home I can't see any scenario Cousins staying. Maybe his mentor role will save him. Maybe other delistings will help also.
Polak I can't see be given a spot on the list, I don't know the rule for re-rookie a mature age?
Thats 4.
Are these guys AFL Standard and deserve a spot.
Jake King isn't AFL standard. Wont be back next year.
Adam Thompson. Is 23 and cant has played maybe 20 AFL games? Jury may be out.
Tom Hislop. Will probably be safe due to the fact there are lots to go before him. But still think he needs to play the 2nd half of the year in the side to warrant a spot next year. I don't think he's of standard.
Trades.
Matty White?
Chris Newman?
Luke McGuane?
Alex Rance?
Dean Polo?
Mitch Morton? (Can't believe the decline of Mitch I really hope he turns it around)
Fire Away..
so simmonds is not up to it but graham who only does as well as simmonds is up to it.lets get real
we could easily delist 15 this yr alone but it wont happen. a more realistic total would be 10 at a pinch 12.
i really hope we dont do a half job or hardwick gets to close to the players that stops him making the decisions that just have to be made.
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There seems to be a thread about this every month
Can't we just bump the old one? Nothing has changed between now and then.
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Claw Simmonds is 47 years old. Only a fool would gift a 2nd cherry contract to Troy. It was a farce he was kept this year.
Graham is at worst Simmonds 8 years younger.
Common Sense Graham plays before Simmonds and Simmonds should retire immediately.
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Claw Simmonds is 47 years old. Only a fool would gift a 2nd cherry contract to Troy. It was a farce he was kept this year.
Graham is at worst Simmonds 8 years younger.
Common Sense Graham plays before Simmonds and Simmonds should retire immediately.
Did i say to keep simmonds, what i said is why would you keep someone who is apparently as bad as simmonds is right now.and lets get it right graham is nowhere near simmonds of 8 yrs ago, and never looks like he will get anywhere near it.
age does not come into it. the only questions we need ask about graham that will determine if he stays or goes is. is he up to afl standard now? if not will he ever be afl standard? the simple answer to those questions is the negative.
one other question is. is he giving us more than simmonds atm thus he deserves a spot in front of simmonds for now the simple answer is yes. but sheesh imo its a marginal thing.
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Popelord has this problem where he forgets what he writes & starts it all over again
A kid who loses his notes ;D
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Feels like yesterday I was managing our list for delistings with Hughes, Cogs, Brown etc.
What we know so far.
Simmonds cant stay next year. Graham does a good of a job as Simmonds can do.
McMahon. Ill be kind and just leave it at that. 10000-1 to be given another contract.
Cousins. Unless he storms home I can't see any scenario Cousins staying. Maybe his mentor role will save him. Maybe other delistings will help also.
Polak I can't see be given a spot on the list, I don't know the rule for re-rookie a mature age?
Thats 4.
Tick
Tick - yep very kind to him Popelord ;D
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Tick - lucky to have been rookied for this year so Polly is gone. His omission for the Bombers game signalled the end. Courageous as and an unbelievable achievement to make it back to play AFL but sadly the reality is AFL is unforgiving and non-sentimental.
Are these guys AFL Standard and deserve a spot.
Jake King isn't AFL standard. Wont be back next year.
Adam Thompson. Is 23 and cant has played maybe 20 AFL games? Jury may be out.
Tom Hislop. Will probably be safe due to the fact there are lots to go before him. But still think he needs to play the 2nd half of the year in the side to warrant a spot next year. I don't think he's of standard.
Are these guys AFL Standard and deserve a spot? Gawd NO!
King - VFL standard at best (hard nut, goer but poorly skilled and undisciplined). Jakey's claim to fame may end up being giving Karmicheal Hunt an introduction to VFL footy lol.
Thomson - classic Richmond dumb trade with classic dumb reasoning for picking him up (most clearances in the AFL for 5 minutes groundtime or some crap like that). Jury was in at Port that he wasn't up to it :banghead.
Hislop - another undisciplined VFL standard footballer.
Trades.
Matty White?
Chris Newman?
Luke McGuane?
Alex Rance?
Dean Polo?
Mitch Morton? (Can't believe the decline of Mitch I really hope he turns it around)
Newy will be kept.
Whitey has no trade value. I've been told he knows already he'll be lucky to survive. On last chance now. Rance, Polo and Morton would also be lucky to have minimal trade value. The choice is only keep or delist.
McGuane would be the trade bait for mine although he's signed until 2012. A Gaspar clone but with brain-fades. A excellent old-school spoiler but a liability when we gain possession in our defence and he has the ball.
Jacko is another to consider for trade.
Tuck they would trade if they could get something worthwhile in return but no one wanted to pay with any decent picks for him. Looks like he'll be kept as cannon-fodder in our midfield while our cubs develop.
Gourdis IMO will be lucky to survive.
It's not hard to come up with another 10-12 spots on our list to be turned over.
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The Karate Kid
Cuz
Mclovin
Polak
Thomson
Hislop
Farmer
King
Tuck (gave good service but business is business)
To Trade:
Tambling (Must go)
Mcguane (Must go)
Jackson (Wont win a flag with him in our team)
Edwards (Building up currency nicely)
Time to really prunce our list and get rid of these players we have who are of the same build and play the same position.
Gordis must play this season. Dimma should dump Simmo NOW to make way for Gourdis.
We need to see if he can play and 12 games left in the season should tell us a lot.
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Gourdis can get elevated in a couple of weeks anyway
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"The Karate Kid"...Daniel,thats the funniest thing I have heard in ages :ROTFL
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To Trade:
Jackson (Wont win a flag with him in our team)
Gordis must play this season. Dimma should dump Simmo NOW to make way for Gourdis.
We need to see if he can play and 12 games left in the season should tell us a lot.
Bollocks. Sat night showed just how much Jacko is needed & a Part of this team.
As for Gourdis. Seen him play at all?
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Yeah I can't understand why people keep calling for Jackson to be traded or de-listed, appart from being the hardest nut we have on the team he is also probably the fittest. He is IMO a very important part of the team and he should be there next year.
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To Trade:
Jackson (Wont win a flag with him in our team)
Gordis must play this season. Dimma should dump Simmo NOW to make way for Gourdis.
We need to see if he can play and 12 games left in the season should tell us a lot.
Bollocks. Sat night showed just how much Jacko is needed & a Part of this team.
As for Gourdis. Seen him play at all?
with jackson we still would've got beaten dont worry about that. The only thing we needed to win that game were quality talls in the front half and a ruckman that is not affriad to attack the ball.
Jackson is hard at it but sadly lacks the polish. 20 metres out i expect a guy on 350k to hit a target not watch the ball sail 10 metres above his head as happens a lot with Jackson. Oddly enough he has the potential at times to smash a perfect daisy cutter but goes missing when the pressure is on. Love to see the stats of his opponents he stands next to on game day as i dont think he is a tagger at all.
As for Gourdis well i have seen him a few times but not enough as you, but what i do we cant rely on Mcguane the 450k dollar man anymore.
We need to find another defender and who knows maybe Gourdis or he may be the forward we crave. As for his form at Coburg well i dont buy that theory, because most thought Pods wasnt good enough to be selected and look at him fly now
Mclovin killed it at times last year but does that mean we should select him. NO!!. We have a need and he may fill that need, Simple as that
Having the Karate Kid on our list serves no purpose whatsoever especially at the expense of someone who we have never seen play
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with jackson we still would've got beaten dont worry about that. The only thing we needed to win that game were quality talls in the front half and a ruckman that is not affriad to attack the ball.
Jackson is hard at it but sadly lacks the polish. 20 metres out i expect a guy on 350k to hit a target not watch the ball sail 10 metres above his head as happens a lot with Jackson. Oddly enough he has the potential at times to smash a perfect daisy cutter but goes missing when the pressure is on. Love to see the stats of his opponents he stands next to on game day as i dont think he is a tagger at all.
As for Gourdis well i have seen him a few times but not enough as you, but what i do we cant rely on Mcguane the 450k dollar man anymore.
Didn't say we wouldv'e won with Jacko in our side, but it was obvious we missed him. Particularly his long kicks into the forward line which many tend to overlook & concentrate instead on his errors. Jacko was also our leading tackler by a country mile till he was suspended & that was despite missing a game as well. As for his ability to stop his opponents check out the stats each week. I do.
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Daniel Jackson is a very average player (who tries exceptionally hard) but who we should trade off- we are going nowhere as a club if we cant improve our list. Jacksons kicking is VAFA standard!
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LOL ramps.....Have you been down to the amateurs of late...i spent much of my life in the ranks there and i can say that I have seen people get senior games who can barely kick a ball,who mark using their face as a backstop,and who run out on the field looking like haystack Calhoun
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Daniel Jackson is a very average player (who tries exceptionally hard) but who we should trade off- we are going nowhere as a club if we cant improve our list. Jacksons kicking is VAFA standard!
Jacko is a bad kick but he is a warrior.
big body. would have done well vs Port yesterday. As would have Foley
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Feels like yesterday I was managing our list for delistings with Hughes, Cogs, Brown etc.
What we know so far.
Simmonds cant stay next year. Graham does a good of a job as Simmonds can do.
McMahon. Ill be kind and just leave it at that. 10000-1 to be given another contract.
Cousins. Unless he storms home I can't see any scenario Cousins staying. Maybe his mentor role will save him. Maybe other delistings will help also.
Polak I can't see be given a spot on the list, I don't know the rule for re-rookie a mature age?
Thats 4.
Are these guys AFL Standard and deserve a spot.
Jake King isn't AFL standard. Wont be back next year.
Adam Thompson. Is 23 and cant has played maybe 20 AFL games? Jury may be out.
Tom Hislop. Will probably be safe due to the fact there are lots to go before him. But still think he needs to play the 2nd half of the year in the side to warrant a spot next year. I don't think he's of standard.
Trades.
Matty White?
Chris Newman?
Luke McGuane?
Alex Rance?
Dean Polo?
Mitch Morton? (Can't believe the decline of Mitch I really hope he turns it around)
Fire Away..
keep cousins as player mid coach next season
Polak looked ok as a 2nd ruckman when he only plays 40% of game time. dont like him in back or forward line after head injury
King is not very good but dimma might like his toughness
Newman and McGaune have shown guts.
Polo and Morton intersting
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Would hope Cousins is at the club next year in some capacity.
Newman is one of our best players but so were Nathan Lonie and Jonathan Hay for Hawks who picked up Max Bailey and Grant Birchall for there picks.
I reckon someone like a St.kilda woudl part way with there first pick 20ish for Morton.
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LOL ramps.....Have you been down to the amateurs of late...i spent much of my life in the ranks there and i can say that I have seen people get senior games who can barely kick a ball,who mark using their face as a backstop,and who run out on the field looking like haystack Calhoun
To be truthful I havent been to an amateurs game in years pmsl ;D
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Jacko is certainly replaceable, but all good clubs have a bloke with Jacko's work ethic and poorish skill doing the crap stuff and getting rubbed out for doing that crap stuff. Players like Jacko become cult figures with some sections of their clubs respective fans.
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Daniel Jackson is a very average player (who tries exceptionally hard) but who we should trade off- we are going nowhere as a club if we cant improve our list. Jacksons kicking is VAFA standard!
Jacko is a bad kick but he is a warrior.
big body. would have done well vs Port yesterday. As would have Foley
how often do we play in the wet? Foley big loss need him back, Jackson no big loss there.
We won easily without Jacko so how excatly did we need him.
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Daniel Jackson is a very average player (who tries exceptionally hard) but who we should trade off- we are going nowhere as a club if we cant improve our list. Jacksons kicking is VAFA standard!
Jacko is a bad kick but he is a warrior.
big body. would have done well vs Port yesterday. As would have Foley
how often do we play in the wet? Foley big loss need him back, Jackson no big loss there.
We won easily without Jacko so how excatly did we need him.
Jackson would have killed it in that rain and mud. He is a big fit unit who is good at hurting people.
Foley is in our best 22 IMO