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Patience the key, say Tiger greats
Jon Anderson From: Herald Sun May 11, 2010 12:00AM
RICHMOND may have recorded the worst statistical first seven rounds of a season since 1955, but it is headed in the right direction.
That is the view of former club captains Dale Weightman and Neville Crowe, both of whom played at the club in equally trying times.
You need to go back 55 years to find a club that had a worse percentage than Richmond's 49 per cent after losing the first seven games.
That team was the 1955 St Kilda outfit, which ended its season with one win and a percentage of just 45.4.
Even the basket-case teams of recent times in Fitzroy (1995-96) and Sydney (1992-94) were never as uncompetitive as the Tigers in terms of percentage.
Before the Saints of 1955, North Melbourne went winless in 1931 but finished the season with a percentage of 50. University left the competition after failing to salute in 1914 with a percentage of 47.
Crowe, 71, played 150 matches and won three best-and-fairests with Richmond between 1957-67, including 1960 when the Tigers won just two games.
He captained them from 1963-66 and played in the premiership season of 1967, missing the Grand Final due to a controversial suspension for striking.
Crowe said he was "prepared to be patient", because there were "flashes on field to suggest there is hope".
Weightman, 50, played 274 games and won two best-and-fairests from 1978-93. He as part of the 1980 premiership team, but was also there in 1987 and 1989 when the Tigers finished last.
Like Crowe, he is prepared to be patient and said there have been enough positives this season to suggest there is a future.
"The club and Damian Hardwick know where they are at and that is starting all over again," Weightman said.
"It will take a couple of years to sort out the situation out, but they are definitely on the right track.
"In each game, bar the Geelong massacre, there have been some good signs. On the weekend, it was just the mature bodies at Adelaide that took over.
"They are getting matches into the kids and will find out who can and can't play. Then they can be definite about their recruiting, not like some of the recent years when they haven't been certain about what to go for.
"Take Shane Edwards, who to my mind played his best game for the club. Dustin Martin knows now he can match it.
"It will be a long ride, but I am prepared to be patient. The coach has a plan and that is to teach his players a brand of football that will stand up in September.
"Yes, they may be a long way off but Damian Hardwick will stick by his convictions."
Crowe shared Weightman's optimism, claiming percentages don't matter when you are on the bottom.
Crowe was president of the club from 1987-93 and is widely regarded as a key man in saving the Tigers when they were deeply in debt in 1990. He does not go to as many games these days, but still watches the club whenever he can.
"There have been some issues that haven't gone away at the club, but they are being addressed.
"What we need now is everyone to be together," Crowe said in obvious reference to recent grumblings about club president Gary March.[/b]"From what I've seen, we have the right man for the job in Damian Hardwick and there have been flashes on field to suggest there is hope. I am prepared to be patient."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/patience-the-key-say-tiger-greats/story-e6frf9jf-1225864762413
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To all the habitual club knockers PLEASE READ Weightman and Crowes comments, now that is support and the right attitude. Are these two fools..... I doubt it, great to hear two ledgends of our game and club coming out in support of our Coach and club when the chips are down. These two former players deserve a pat on the back. :clapping
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Certainly consider these two to know more about the game than some part time hack who got the ass from two clubs after only a year or two
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Dale was always a great leader. His and Neville's comments are most welcome in this difficult time.
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True Tigers. :clapping :clapping
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I'll save jack the trouble.
Neville Crow and Dale weightman have no idea.
There is no game plan.
Hardwick has no idea.
7 weeks is plenty of time to sort out the problems.
We recruit too many kids who can't star in their first couple of games.
I should be on prescription drugs.
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I'll save jack the trouble.
Neville Crow and Dale weightman have no idea.
There is no game plan.
Hardwick has no idea.
7 weeks is plenty of time to sort out the problems.
We recruit too many kids who can't star in their first couple of games.
I should be on prescription drugs.
Dead set post of the month... :lol :rollin
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lol don't drive him off, he is still part of the unique tiger fabric, plus if we are all in accord it will just turn into one big boring circle jerk, we need counter point! :cheers
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They are getting matches into the kids and will find out who can and can't play.
Well said Flea. It's all that they can do.
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Certainly consider these two to know more about the game than some part time hack who got the ass from two clubs after only a year or two
Flea is a paid employee, of course he is going to say that.
By the way, I didnt get the arse.
I dont work with idiots
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I'll save jack the trouble.
Neville Crow and Dale weightman have no idea.
There is no game plan.
Hardwick has no idea.
7 weeks is plenty of time to sort out the problems.
We recruit too many kids who can't star in their first couple of games.
I should be on prescription drugs.
Thanks Al, good to see you can finally see the light ;) ;) :clapping :thumbsup ;)
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Certainly consider these two to know more about the game than some part time hack who got the ass from two clubs after only a year or two
Flea is a paid employee, of course he is going to say that.
By the way, I didnt get the behind.
I dont work with idiots
Nice signature
Looks like we both like putting things you say there
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Well Infamy, only telling you the truth, you are ;)
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I'll save jack the trouble.
Neville Crow and Dale weightman have no idea.
There is no game plan.
Hardwick has no idea.
7 weeks is plenty of time to sort out the problems.
We recruit too many kids who can't star in their first couple of games.
I should be on prescription drugs.
Funniest post in a long time great stuff al
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Thanks for the good laugh Al
You forgot the kick ins are a disgrace though
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Also 35 of our list are midgets who should be lining up at flemington..
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It's taken Harvey 7-8 years to get Freo playing Good football.
Does that mean he needed 8 years or does it mean he had no idea for the first six?
Important to answer this correctly as it mirrors our current situation in as much as it "may take a couple of years to sort out the situation out, but they are definitely on the right track."
For one thing-the definition of the right track from our current situation is to sift thru the list,find out what new blood is dud blood,fire the old duds,fire the dud coaches,implement multiple game plans designed around our good players strengths and win a game.
Yes it will take time.
Yes Jak is premature in his sak Dickwick campaign.
Is Jak right about the coaching being uncomplimentary to our list -yes!
Do we have a bufoon or two on the coaching panel - yes.
Is it fair to question the current gameplan - pretty much yes, as there isn't one - that's how far away we are from anything.
I mean,FFS - They're using stats from 1955 - lol :scream
As for the headline "Patience the key, say Tiger greats "
yeh.........we stuffin know that boys.
However,the other parts of the key haven't even been made yet.
So many suckhole prix on here who actually think their word is gospel because as far as they're concerned they are supporting the club in a better way than those who care to complain.
You dogs are the bastard children of 30 years of cowardly on-field failure.
You would have been too scared to have even gone to a game when GR was president for fear of facing a world of ruthless truths.
He wouldn't have like you girls. :-* :-* :-*
Having said that,i think bringing University back would be great for Victorian AFL :clapping
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Mark Harvey has been senior coach of Fremantle since only 2007, however your post is still valid
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Of course it's fair to question the game plan, if you know what it is.
Just because you cant see it, doesnt mean it doesn't exist, just that the players cant execute it yet.
On the other hand, if there actually is no game plan, if hardwick is not trying to implement any game plan into the team, then it's not too early to call for his sacking and the sacking of any person involved in his appointment. I mean after all have they really appointed a coach without a gameplan?
All those interviews in the selection process, and not once was hardwick asked what his gameplan was?
Perhaps anyone been to training can answer if they appear to be training to a purpose, or do they just do kick to kick and circle work?
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allow me to rephrase for your enjoyment.
unable to transcend his "intiial" game plan(watever the it was - Clarskon Copy??) to the current climate of continual defeat,thus far!
therefore,his game plan hasn't been achieved and subsequently never been played,
so as far as a his game plan goes - it doesn't exist other than in his head or on a computer.
It isn't working with the coaching,especially on match day.
We can't sack him lmaoo!
Imagine - AGAIN!
The worst part is....he may well be a dud and we're stuck with him.
If he picks up idiot recruits end of year then we're gawwwwnnnnnn.
University in
Richmond out.
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It's taken Harvey 7-8 years to get Freo playing Good football.
Does that mean he needed 8 years or does it mean he had no idea for the first six?
Important to answer this correctly as it mirrors our current situation in as much as it "may take a couple of years to sort out the situation out, but they are definitely on the right track."
For one thing-the definition of the right track from our current situation is to sift thru the list,find out what new blood is dud blood,fire the old duds,fire the dud coaches,implement multiple game plans designed around our good players strengths and win a game.
Yes it will take time.
Yes Jak is premature in his sak Dickwick campaign.
Is Jak right about the coaching being uncomplimentary to our list -yes!
Do we have a bufoon or two on the coaching panel - yes.
Is it fair to question the current gameplan - pretty much yes, as there isn't one - that's how far away we are from anything.
I mean,FFS - They're using stats from 1955 - lol :scream
As for the headline "Patience the key, say Tiger greats "
yeh.........we know that boys.
However,the other parts of the key haven't even been made yet.
So many suckhole prix on here who actually think their word is gospel because as far as they're concerned they are supporting the club in a better way than those who care to complain.
You dogs are the bastard children of 30 years of cowardly on-field failure.
You would have been too scared to have even gone to a game when GR was president for fear of facing a world of ruthless truths.
He wouldn't have like you girls. :-* :-* :-*
Having said that,i think bringing University back would be great for Victorian AFL :clapping
The Henry Rollins of OER has spoken. Who the eff are you to judge and call posters girls?
What gives you the right to mention Graeme Richmond in your post, you reckon he'd be pleased to be associated with your dribble?
What credentials do YOU have in judging or rating our coaching panel.
Still, an entertaining read.
Edit: Edited quote.
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Very Colourful.
As Infamy said its Harveys 4th year. Not 8th.
You say you complain, yet don't give any remedy's. You say we're bastards of failures over 30 years. Yet your remedy's are simply to bag the coach and call for the coaches head - The band aid fix for the past 30 years. Hm?
No1 is success without learning from mistakes you've previously made. Hardwick and this group will make many more to learn from. Get used to it.
Give me directions to your fantasy world where there lives a coach that can be appointed to come in and turn this list into a Premiership team in their first year. It's past your bedtime OX, good night.
Edit: removed Ox's quote
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It's taken Harvey 7-8 years to get Freo playing Good football.
Does that mean he needed 8 years or does it mean he had no idea for the first six?
Important to answer this correctly as it mirrors our current situation in as much as it "may take a couple of years to sort out the situation out, but they are definitely on the right track."
For one thing-the definition of the right track from our current situation is to sift thru the list,find out what new blood is dud blood,fire the old duds,fire the dud coaches,implement multiple game plans designed around our good players strengths and win a game.
Yes it will take time.
Yes Jak is premature in his sak Dickwick campaign.
Is Jak right about the coaching being uncomplimentary to our list -yes!
Do we have a bufoon or two on the coaching panel - yes.
Is it fair to question the current gameplan - pretty much yes, as there isn't one - that's how far away we are from anything.
I mean,FFS - They're using stats from 1955 - lol :scream
As for the headline "Patience the key, say Tiger greats "
yeh.........we know that boys.
However,the other parts of the key haven't even been made yet.
So many suckhole prix on here who actually think their word is gospel because as far as they're concerned they are supporting the club in a better way than those who care to complain.
You dogs are the bastard children of 30 years of cowardly on-field failure.
You would have been too scared to have even gone to a game when GR was president for fear of facing a world of ruthless truths.
He wouldn't have like you girls. :-* :-* :-*
Having said that,i think bringing University back would be great for Victorian AFL :clapping
lmao@you being a Jak hot gospeller
Oh, I forgot he was your mate ::)
BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
Edit: edited quote
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I'm me suckhole.
Are u offended because you wear a dress?
I'm a roman, you like it? Now who's a b1tch?
I never realized that football royalty had unwashed scum on their bar5e.
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BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
How typical.
:lol :rollin :lol
But just so we don't miss him: :banghead ;) :shh
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unable to transcend his "intiial" game plan(watever it was - Clarskon Copy??) to the current climate of continual defeat,thus far!
therefore,his game plan hasn't been achieved and subsequently never been played,
so as far as a his game plan goes - it doesn't exist other than in his head or on a computer.
Which is a much more intelligent statement than moronically saying "There is no game plane".
As you've stated yourself, It's still to early to judge Hardwick.
The statements about how we are currently the worst performed team in 50 years(or whatever it was) are valid and an indication of how bad we are.
Hardwick and his assistants are currently spending as much time, if not more, as teachers as coaches. This is why he has been coaching from the boundry (until the adelaide game).
Eff me, they are not only having to teach the basics that the good sides take for granted and do without thinking to the youngsters, but also to the senior players. That is how far behind the rest of the comp we are starting.
Until these things start to happen consitently, across the field, we will only get glimpses of the gameplan.
Even then, for those of us watching the games only on the TV it will be difficult to determine exactly what that is.
Hardwick, and others, have said on numerous occasions this may take 6 months, or it may take 2 years to click, but they will not be taking any shortcuts.
Until then, like it or not, we don't have any real choice but to be patient. Whining like spoilt little rich school girls who didn't get that designer come-eff-me dress they wanted for their birthday is pointless.
Edit: edited quote
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Im ard as a coffin nail an I got an opinion bout this footy caper. You are all feminine and carry yourselves in a feminine manner and therefore I am arder than you, therefore my opinion carries more ardness an more cred. Got it? University in Tigers out. End of..
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Whether we like it or not we have to be patient - We dont have options - Richmond has to make good recruiting decisions and unfortantly life does not come with a rewind button, we just cant do anything about the past.
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I forgot to call you all bastards.
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BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
Where is the party, I will be there. And for brackets I will wear a dress too.
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The thing about patience is that we were patient with Frawley, patient with Wallace. No one would argue that either of those deserved 5 years (more than 1 year though) so that's why there is this reflex to someone saying patience is the answer. Patience has proved as destructive (if not more given the state of our list) as pulling the trigger too soon.
I would expect good management to make a tough decision on Hardwick if it was required. As unpalatable as it was at the time when all of us were dreaming of our next supercoach, maybe someone like Laidley with a point to prove, a bit more in the way of resources and already wary of the mistakes he made and how to correct them would have been the go.
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I would expect good management to make a tough decision on Hardwick if it was required
Thats about the crux of it Jake, if required. 7 weeks into his first season is a bit too early to be making such calls.
Also important to be aware of what hardwick has said he will deliver.
He has not promised to deliver success, but he has said he will deliver the blueprint for success. He needs to change the whole culture of the club first. Get rid of the playing for yourself attitude. Get players sheparding rather than peeling off hoping for an easy possession. Working hard to create space when in possession or to get to a contest to help out a teammate.
His mantra appears to be to get a team that works hard and plays for each other which hopefully will be the springboard for success. Whether he has the footy nouse to then take advantage of this "transformation" only time will tell.
No one has enjoyed the seemingly endless period of crapness, time and time again waiting for a coach to deliver. No one enjoys watching our young side getting belted week in week out. For the first time in a long time though, the side we are putting on the park is matching the opposition in contested possessions. They are causing turnovers by pressuring the opposition. The tackle counts are up on the wallace era and the club has shown that players need to toe the line.
There is still a long, long way to go, but I can see more positives, from a long term point of view, right now than at any stage last year.
It wouldn't matter who we had steering the ship right now, we would still need patience, unless you want to take short cuts for short term benefit.
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BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
Where is the party, I will be there. And for brackets I will wear a dress too.
this one thanks...or don't come.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2007/09/29/va1237269609806/Bree-Hately-5678175.jpg)
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BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
Where is the party, I will be there. And for brackets I will wear a dress too.
this one thanks...or don't come.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2007/09/29/va1237269609806/Bree-Hately-5678175.jpg)
One thing is for sure is that if I could get into to that dress, you wouldnt like to see it. :help ::)
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BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
Where is the party, I will be there. And for brackets I will wear a dress too.
this one thanks...or don't come.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2007/09/29/va1237269609806/Bree-Hately-5678175.jpg)
And don't u shave that back hair ...specially the tuft on the lower back there.....
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u idiots are as bent as me - go figure!
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Good post al and Jake
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BTW, he's checked out again, taken his toys and he's not coming back - well, for the next couple of weeks
:gotigers
Where is the party, I will be there. And for brackets I will wear a dress too.
Are you bringing the girl in your avatar FT. :cheers
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The thing is this
2003 Miller said it will be 2007 before we are any good.
2007 on the eve of the season the stale KFC thigh piece said 2011.
It's 2010 and we have only just started the rebuild.
Rather than go into the obvious I'll just say it says alot about our club and nothing has been proven yet
with his regime. It's faaarken scary and I only hope Hardwick and co do more than a few things right.
GIving them a chance and being patient unfortunantely is all we can do right now and probably until Hardwick either negotiates his new contract or we start trawling the rumour mills on the net to see who our next coach is.