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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 13, 2010, 05:44:37 PM
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Richmond has made only one forced change to the squad to play Hawthorn on Sunday.
Dean Polo comes out of the side through suspension, while Nathan Foley returns from injury, Mitch Farmer is back from illness, and Angus Graham has been rewarded with a spot in the 25-man squad.
Ben Cousins has not yet recovered from back soreness and could not be considered for selection.
The final Richmond team will be finalised on Friday afternoon.
Richmond v Hawthorn
Sunday May 16, MCG, 1.10pm
B: Moore, Thursfield, McGuane
HB: Tuck, Deledio, Newman
C: Edwards, Jackson, Webberley
HF: Martin, Riewoldt, Nason
F: Nahas, Rance, Foley
Foll: Vickery, Cotchin, Tambling
I/C (from): Graham, Polak, Hislop, Collins, Farmer, Astbury, White
In: Foley, Hislop, Farmer, Graham
Out: Polo (suspension)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/94227/default.aspx
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Hawthorn
B: Campbell Brown, Stephen Gilham, Brent Guerra
HB: Grant Birchall, Ben Stratton, Shaun Burgoyne
C: Xavier Ellis, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis
HF: Carl Peterson, Lance Franklin, Clinton Young
F: Cyril Rioli, Jarryd Roughead, Brendan Whitecross
Foll: Brent Renouf, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell
I/C (from): Thomas Murphy, Beau Muston, Shane Savage, Ryan Schoenmakers, Wayde Skipper, Cameron Stokes, Matt Suckling
In: Burgoyne, Skipper, Mitchell, Franklin, Murphy, Stokes, Savage
Out: Chance Bateman (susp), Rick Ladson, Jarryd Morton, Liam Shiels
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Franklin and Mitchell back very bad news. Good to see Nathan back. Bad about Cousins still being out. Can't believe would consider Hislop whilst Morton playing at Coburg. Forward line does not look flash. Keep Astbury in the side
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Looks as if Cuz didn't get off the couch. ;D
Go Angus.
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Franklin and Mitchell back very bad news. Good to see Nathan back. Bad about Cousins still being out. Can't believe would consider Hislop whilst Morton playing at Coburg. Forward line does not look flash. Keep Astbury in the side
Meh, he might not have the talent of Morton but at least Hislop gives 100% every time and follows team rules, unlike Morton.
Going by the reports of Morton looking uninterested and lazy last week I can't say I sympathise with him much until he pulls his finger out of his arse.
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In EOTT, Newitt didn't sound impressed with Mitch's defensive effort. He did credit him with 30 possies though
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Hislop gives 100% every time and follows team rules
He does?
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Hislop gives 100% every time and follows team rules
He does?
Yes he does.
He hunts and tackles and makes them hurt. Morton will tackle if opportunistic but will barely chase and tackle.
Morton is an avenue for a defender out of our forward line. Hislop is more accountable.
And Hislop does the percentage things far more often than Morton ever does trying to be a magician.
Morton is the better player with better skills and a better footy brain when he makes the effort but unfortunately I'm not seeing it lately and he deserves to be at Coburg.
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...and that is why Morton is playing for coburg!!
If he cant get his head around it he has a limited future under hardwick. :thumbsup
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Like the look of our side this week.
If they line up as selected which they won't Burgoyne at HB and Martin at HF.
Would love to see the young fella test out Burgoyne physically and mentally. :thumbsup
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Franklin and Mitchell back very bad news. Good to see Nathan back. Bad about Cousins still being out. Can't believe would consider Hislop whilst Morton playing at Coburg. Forward line does not look flash. Keep Astbury in the side
Meh, he might not have the talent of Morton but at least Hislop gives 100% every time and follows team rules, unlike Morton.
Going by the reports of Morton looking uninterested and lazy last week I can't say I sympathise with him much until he pulls his finger out of his behind.
team rules? do we watch the same game maybe not. Hislop does not follow team rules at all.
The type of football we want to base our club around should not involve a third grade hack like Hislop that the tanned one brought to us.
what does he average 2/3 tackles a game. yep Dimma straight back to Coburg for this one never to return again :thumbsup
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I reckon he does. Better than Morton anyway.
Still, Hislop should not be in the 22 come Sunday.
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team rules? do we watch the same game maybe not. Hislop does not follow team rules at all.
I'd lean to this way of thinking with Tommy. Undisciplined player IMO.
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team rules? do we watch the same game maybe not. Hislop does not follow team rules at all.
How the hell do you know what he's been told to do?
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team rules? do we watch the same game maybe not. Hislop does not follow team rules at all.
How the hell do you know what he's been told to do?
no your right i dont know what he has been told but i do know that numbers dont lie pal :thumbsup
Look at his averages. Up there with the worst in our whole team. Frankston Pines awaits yet another one of our wonderful draft selections
a player should not be told to go in for the hard ball and tackle an opponent and his average of tackles says a lot about him. :thumbsup
ooh yeah and so so does the amount of disposals he has also.
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I haven't checked recently, however from memory, his stats last year were comparable to someone like Max Rooke
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I haven't checked recently, however from memory, his stats last year were comparable to someone like Max Rooke
i can pretty safely say your wrong champ.
Rooke's best work aint in the kicks or handballs its the hard stuff, tackling, blocking and above all running goals.
I find it laughable to even put Rooke and Hislop in the same breath to be honest, but thats me
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Hislop = marshmellow
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Hislop = marshmellow
Absolute spud. He is one of the worst footballers I have ever seen play at Tigerland.
Another wasted draft pick.
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I haven't checked recently, however from memory, his stats last year were comparable to someone like Max Rooke
i can pretty safely say your wrong champ.
Rooke's best work aint in the kicks or handballs its the hard stuff, tackling, blocking and above all running goals.
I find it laughable to even put Rooke and Hislop in the same breath to be honest, but thats me
2009 Averages Comparison (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1738&tid2=10&pid2=247&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2009&fid2=P&fopt2=2009)
Averages at 21 Years of Age (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1738&tid2=10&pid2=247&type=A&fid1=A&fopt1=21&fid2=A&fopt2=21)
Looks pretty similar to me, while Hislop is slightly behind on 2009 comparisons, you are comparing a 21 year old to a 28 year old.
At the same age Hislop is ahead
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Rooke only looks so good because he's got great players around him to protect.
In reality he's an ordinary player that is in the team because he is willing to do everything and anything to protect his teammates before getting the ball himself.
On an ordinary team like ours he'd be next to useless.
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I haven't checked recently, however from memory, his stats last year were comparable to someone like Max Rooke
i can pretty safely say your wrong champ.
Rooke's best work aint in the kicks or handballs its the hard stuff, tackling, blocking and above all running goals.
I find it laughable to even put Rooke and Hislop in the same breath to be honest, but thats me
2009 Averages Comparison (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1738&tid2=10&pid2=247&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2009&fid2=P&fopt2=2009)
Averages at 21 Years of Age (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1738&tid2=10&pid2=247&type=A&fid1=A&fopt1=21&fid2=A&fopt2=21)
Looks pretty similar to me, while Hislop is slightly behind on 2009 comparisons, you are comparing a 21 year old to a 28 year old.
At the same age Hislop is ahead
biggest mistake tiger supporters continue to make is saying he is ahead of player X at the same age, 3 years ago on bf, clowns were telling me that at the same age tambling was ahead of mcleod, yeah that went well....:rollin with a lot of players there is often an intangible that can't be measured with stats and thats IMPACT. Find it hard to see Hislop going on to be better than or equal to Rooke, stats not withstanding....
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Tony, I only mentioned and used stats because they had already been brought up as evidence that he's no good
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I haven't checked recently, however from memory, his stats last year were comparable to someone like Max Rooke
i can pretty safely say your wrong champ.
Rooke's best work aint in the kicks or handballs its the hard stuff, tackling, blocking and above all running goals.
I find it laughable to even put Rooke and Hislop in the same breath to be honest, but thats me
2009 Averages Comparison (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1738&tid2=10&pid2=247&type=A&fid1=P&fopt1=2009&fid2=P&fopt2=2009)
Averages at 21 Years of Age (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=1738&tid2=10&pid2=247&type=A&fid1=A&fopt1=21&fid2=A&fopt2=21)
Looks pretty similar to me, while Hislop is slightly behind on 2009 comparisons, you are comparing a 21 year old to a 28 year old.
At the same age Hislop is ahead
we were talking about 2009 am i right not when they were 21 years of age or their averages at TAC level.
Hislop is a hack of the highest order, and stats prove that as has been pointed out. Many tackles last year did he get? how many goals?
Ooh and just for the record whoever on here said Rooke is average, well Rooke is a 2 time premiership player and that my friend is the bottom line.
If we had a few Rooke types, instead of Matthew Stokes/Fantasy island lookalikes we might not get pushed over as easily as we do.
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i'll pick Rooke over Hislop any day.
being in a much better team makes he looks better then he would in our team yes, but still i would rather him then Hislop.
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i'll pick Rooke over Hislop any day.
being in a much better team makes he looks better then he would in our team yes, but still i would rather him then Hislop.
If they were the same age I'd pick Rooke.
At Rooke's age I'd call it a dead heat.
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Totally agree with Daniel. Besides if you are playing in the forward line you need to kick goals. Hislop does not. The amount of clangers Hislop has is laughable. Morton can kick a bag. Would rather Rooke anyday to Hislop.
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Hislop should have kicked 8 against the Hawks in the NAB cup. Maybe that's why he's back?
He did play well against the Hawks in that game apart from his inaccurate kicking.
Hardwick would know the Hawks gameplan inside out, maybe Hislop is a guy that can help unravel it.
He's on an extended bench anyway, so he might not even play.
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we were talking about 2009 am i right not when they were 21 years of age or their averages at TAC level.
I provided both stats for some balance, it's not fair to compare a senior 28 year old to a 21 year old's output
Their stats last year were very similar
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team rules? do we watch the same game maybe not. Hislop does not follow team rules at all.
How the hell do you know what he's been told to do?
;D, are you trying to get rid of daniel too Infamy.... :lol :lol :lol
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Must must must play Gus, put the acid on him, if he can't perform against a side with no ruck then thats it for him IMHO. In all honesty he should have about 20-30 hit outs, 10 marks, 2-4 goals and about 10-15 possessions.
Don't give me that crap about first game back, expecting too much ra ra ra, he is playing against a team with no ruck, if he can't rack up the numbers in this game he never will!!!!!
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he is playing against a team with no ruck
We must be playing another team other than the Hawks then.
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Richmond
B: Kelvin Moore, Will Thursfield, Luke McGuane
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Chris Newman
C: Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Jeromey Webberley
HF: Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Ben Nason
F: Robin Nahas, Alex Rance, Nathan Foley
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Trent Cotchin, Richard Tambling
I/C: Angus Graham, Graham Polak, Matt White, Mitch Farmer
Emg: Tom Hislop, Andrew Collins, David Astbury
In: Foley, Graham, Farmer
Out: Dean Polo (susp), Andrew Collins, David Astbury
Hawthorn
B: Campbell Brown, Stephen Gilham, Brent Guerra
HB: Grant Birchall, Ben Stratton, Shaun Burgoyne
C: Xavier Ellis, Sam Mitchell, Jordan Lewis
HF: Carl Peterson, Lance Franklin, Clinton Young
F: Cyril Rioli, Jarryd Roughead, Brendan Whitecross
Foll: Brent Renouf, Luke Hodge, Brad Sewell
I/C: Beau Muston, Wayde Skipper, Cameron Stokes, Matt Suckling
Emg: Tom Murphy, Shane Savage, Ryan Schoenmakers
In: Burgoyne, Skipper, Mitchell, Franklin, Stokes
Out: Chance Bateman (susp), Rick Ladson, Jarryd Morton, Liam Shiels, Ryan Schoenmakers
New: Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Wayde Skipper (Western Bulldogs/rookie list)
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Astbury's had his three games, so no surprise to me that he's been given some time in the two's to regain some confidence.
Collo, on the other hand ...... Was it lack of defensive pressure? Failure to stand up under the pump? Is he carrying an injury?
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Collo, on the other hand ...... Was it lack of defensive pressure? Failure to stand up under the pump? Is he carrying an injury?
From where I was sitting on the weekend I reckon your 2nd suggestion would be the first thing and your first suggestion wouldn't be too far behind. As for an injury - I don't think so
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Good to see Jeromey Webberley in the starting line up.
Hopefully he puts in another good performance.
Oh he played last week?? .. didn't realize lol
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Good to see Jeromey Webberley in the starting line up.
Hopefully he puts in another good performance.
Oh he played last week?? .. didn't realize lol
Then you must be blind. :shh
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Webbs was nowhere near our worst last week. Having mid-teen disposals is a decent debut.
Graham vs Skipper in the ruck ...... now that's worth the price of admission alone ;D
Our midfield is at least a fraction stronger. I think this is the first game for the year that Axel, Lids, Cotch and Dusty are in the same side.
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i hope blingers plays on the ball
its time to shine
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I am getting a bit hopeful for this game but I know the Dawks will be pumping themselves up for this game as the one to get their season back ontrack.
Anyway what will happen will happen
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he is playing against a team with no ruck
We must be playing another team other than the Hawks then.
Um.... no.... have you been on Earth for long MM... ;D, They have been rucking Roughead mate because they have no options, all their rucks are out injured. Please name their frontline ruckman that is in the side????
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he is playing against a team with no ruck
We must be playing another team other than the Hawks then.
Um.... no.... have you been on Earth for long MM... ;D, They have been rucking Roughead mate because they have no options, all their rucks are out injured. Please name their frontline ruckman that is in the side????
What? ::)
Renouf is a ruckman isn't he? Averaging 19 hitouts a game this year.
Angus no more or less experienced so your post looks pretty silly.
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I HOPE THE BOYS WIPE THEIR ARSE WITH THOSE stuffing POO STRIPES!!!!!!!!!!! :pray :clapping
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he is playing against a team with no ruck
We must be playing another team other than the Hawks then.
Um.... no.... have you been on Earth for long MM... ;D, They have been rucking Roughead mate because they have no options, all their rucks are out injured. Please name their frontline ruckman that is in the side????
What? ::)
Renouf is a ruckman isn't he? Averaging 19 hitouts a game this year.
Angus no more or less experienced so your post looks pretty silly.
Sorry, I didn't realise Renouf was back in, prior to him though they had Roughead rucking as they had no one else. Gus should beat him IMO, Renough is not IMO a very good ruckman.
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he is playing against a team with no ruck
We must be playing another team other than the Hawks then.
Um.... no.... have you been on Earth for long MM... ;D, They have been rucking Roughead mate because they have no options, all their rucks are out injured. Please name their frontline ruckman that is in the side????
What? ::)
Renouf is a ruckman isn't he? Averaging 19 hitouts a game this year.
Angus no more or less experienced so your post looks pretty silly.
Sorry, I didn't realise Renouf was back in, prior to him though they had Roughead rucking as they had no one else. Gus should beat him IMO, Renough is not IMO a very good ruckman.
I agree WAT Renouf isn't much chop compared to other ruckmen in the comp. but unfortunately he's still better than Gus. I'm just hoping we don't make a dud like Skipper look like a star today :-\.
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he is playing against a team with no ruck
We must be playing another team other than the Hawks then.
Um.... no.... have you been on Earth for long MM... ;D, They have been rucking Roughead mate because they have no options, all their rucks are out injured. Please name their frontline ruckman that is in the side????
What? ::)
Renouf is a ruckman isn't he? Averaging 19 hitouts a game this year.
Angus no more or less experienced so your post looks pretty silly.
Sorry, I didn't realise Renouf was back in, prior to him though they had Roughead rucking as they had no one else. Gus should beat him IMO, Renough is not IMO a very good ruckman.
I agree WAT Renouf isn't much chop compared to other ruckmen in the comp. but unfortunately he's still better than Gus. I'm just hoping we don't make a dud like Skipper look like a star today :-\.
Lets just hope he can stand up today, please Gus, stand up bud!!