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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: rufio_1991 on May 17, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
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dan jackson 2 weeks for head butting
c brown got nothing......go figure?
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dan jackson 2 weeks for head butting
c brown got nothing......go figure?
Not surprised Dan's been cited - brain fades seem to get punished
As for Brown - strike another one up for the inconsistent Match Reveiw Panel
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Here's the official MRP report......
Daniel Jackson, Richmond, has been charged with a Level Three misconduct offence in that he headbutted Campbell Brown, Hawthorn, during the fourth quarter of the Round Eight match between Richmond and Hawthorn, played at the MCG on Sunday May 16, 2010.
In summary, his previous poor record means that his two-game sanction must remain at two games, even with an early plea.
The incident was assessed as intentional conduct (three points), low impact (one point) and high contact (two points). This is a total of six activation points, resulting in a classification of a Level Three offence, drawing 250 demerit points and a two-match sanction. He has 80 points carried over from within the last 12 months, increasing the penalty to 330 demerit points and a three-match sanction. An early plea reduces the penalty by 25 per cent to 247.50 points and a two-match sanction.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94481/default.aspx
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Once again the Tigers get right royally rogered. Not only did we not receive a free kick for head high contact against Jacko, Tambling and Webberley. But now Jacko is rubbed out for justifiably retaliating when big brave Camp-as Brown taunts him off the ground after his cheap hit.
I hope we challenge it. Even if we lose we have to make a statement that we wont lie down and take this continual injustice.
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These pricks just bend the rules to suit themselves, just like the umpires did during the game. There seems to be a conspiracy between the media, the AFL and the umpires to stuff with us. There was no way Brown was playing the ball, you see him drop the shoulder and charge in lining up Jacko. If the player doesn't have possession, does that mean that players all around the ground can start shoulder charging each other as fair bumps off play? If so, I think we have something for Polly and Rance to start practicing, they are both big units, get em splitting opposition players down the trunk without the ball, hell even off the play, its all kosher apparently.
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Joke decision. If you were a mum - the so called target the afl are anxious to placate re:- head high contact being a perceived deterrent to their kids playing AFL - and you saw browns hit and then jacksons retaliation, you'd be bemused by the consequential suspensions handed out. Idiots.
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These pricks just bend the rules to suit themselves, just like the umpires did during the game. There seems to be a conspiracy between the media, the AFL and the umpires to stuff with us. There was no way Brown was playing the ball, you see him drop the shoulder and charge in lining up Jacko. If the player doesn't have possession, does that mean that players all around the ground can start shoulder charging each other as fair bumps off play? If so, I think we have something for Polly and Rance to start practicing, they are both big units, get em splitting opposition players down the trunk without the ball, hell even off the play, its all kosher apparently.
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Identifies the next step our club has to take - stand up to the AFL. We have 'small man syndrome' and need to address that as much as any deficiency in our list or match day outcome. While we continue to bend over they will continue to shaft us. For proof, go research the case of Kennett vs AFL. And if that doesn't convince you then research the case of McGuire vs AFL.
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The head is only sacrasanct when a RFC player comes into contact with it.
I would like to see Jake King in round 17 in his final RFC game against the Pies put himself into MRP folklore and have a DVD of what he does to Didak, Thomas and Maxwell become the memo sent out to all AFL teams in the next pre season.
What one has to do with the other I don't know. Just feeling vitriolic towards some other clubs right now.
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Jacko is off to the tribunal to challenge the report. He risks being 3 weeks out if the appeal fails.
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Jacko is off to the tribunal to challenge the report. He risks being 3 weeks out if the appeal fails.
Staggering :o
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Jacko is off to the tribunal to challenge the report. He risks being 3 weeks out if the appeal fails.
Staggering :o
Why is it staggering? Nick Maxwell busted a guys jaw and got away with it. Aside from the fact that Jackson hardly touched Brown, he did what any reasonable human being would have done after he gets KO'd, no free kick, Brown dobs him in to the umpire under the blood rule, then follows him to the bench taunting him about the hit.
This case will really test whether or not the AFL has an agenda against Richmond, as many of us suspect, because if there is any degree of consistency in the MRP process he will have to get off. And if you don't believe me,ask David Hille and Campbell Brown, the luckiest players to still be running around next week.
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Why is it staggering? Nick Maxwell busted a guys jaw and got away with it. Aside from the fact that Jackson hardly touched Brown, he did what any reasonable human being would have done after he gets KO'd, no free kick, Brown dobs him in to the umpire under the blood rule, then follows him to the bench taunting him about the hit.
This case will really test whether or not the AFL has an agenda against Richmond, as many of us suspect, because if there is any degree of consistency in the MRP process he will have to get off. And if you don't believe me,ask David Hille and Campbell Brown, the luckiest players to still be running around next week.
Firstly let me make this very clear - I think the MRP is a joke. Their lack of consistency every week proves that.
Why do I find the decision to contest staggering?
Because and you've actually highlighted one of my reasons why - Retaliation. The tribunal historically have not looked favourably on people who use retaliation as an excuse (defence) and seriously what other defence can they use? I understand why Daniel did what he did but none the less it was a "brain fade" and I reckon they wont look favourably on that either
Also (again you've mentioned it) CONSISTENCY. With the process the way it is with not one iota of consistency I question is it really worth risking 3 weeks over the 2 he was offered? The Tribunal are about as consistent as the MRP
If he gets off I will be rapted but he he doesn't you have to question whether it has been smart to challenge it
And I don't think you can compare the Maxwell, Hille or Brown incidents - totally different actions IMHO. Were the 3 you mention lucky? Absolutely, but that isn't going to be make one shred of diffenrece at the tribunal tonight
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Richmond shafted again
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WP look at it like this
He accepts = Misses 2 weeks vs Ess and Port
He charges and gets done for 3 weeks = Misses vs Ess, Port and Saints.
All he is risking is the game against Saints to play against Essendon and Port. Games we may be a slight chance to win. The risk is missing out on the game against Saints which we have no chance of winning.
So in laws of averages probably a clever challenge. Worst case scenario he misses the Saints game compared to accepting it and missing the next 2 anyway.
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Jacko about to head into the tribunal now. The Club is looking to downgrade the charge rather than contest it fully.
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Jacko about to head into the tribunal now. The Club is looking to downgrade the charge rather than contest it fully.
Down grade it to what exactly
The last 2 weeks clubs have tried to do that and have failed :-\
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Downgrade it to a kiss ;D
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I'd say from Intentional to Reckless, but not sure what that gains...
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Richmond doctor Greg Hickey has argued Jackson has a history of becoming aggressive and aggravated when he's copped a hit to the head. He said Daniel at the time of the incident was suffering from concussion from the collision with Campbell Brown that happened just moments before.
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Richmond doctor Greg Hickey has argued Jackson has a history of becoming aggressive and aggravated when he's copped a hit to the head. He said Daniel at the time of the incident was suffering from concussion from the collision with Campbell Brown that happened just moments before.
LOL remember when Weightman used to blame his diabetes! :lol
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i dont rate this bloke but have to say hes played some decent footy in recent times. one thing for sure his big body will be missed.
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As you say WP, there's no point in arguing on moral grounds (ie,he was provoked), if retaliators have an unsuccessful history at the tribunal.
Maybe we should go the sleazy Collingwood route like they did with Maxwell, and hire that great champion of the innocent stuff Galbally :lol, and a team of bio-mechanic experts.
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i dont rate this bloke but have to say hes played some decent footy in recent times. one thing for sure his big body will be missed.
It hasn't happened much over the years, Clawsy, but i agree with you! :gotigers
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Richmond doctor Greg Hickey has argued Jackson has a history of becoming aggressive and aggravated when he's copped a hit to the head. He said Daniel at the time of the incident was suffering from concussion from the collision with Campbell Brown that happened just moments before.
LOL remember when Weightman used to blame his diabetes! :lol
Some symptoms of hypoglycemia are irritability, anxiety, anger and confusion. Being a type 1 diabetic playing football, possibly a very valid excuse for the flea.
If they tested the blood sugar of every drunk on an assault charge they would find a vast majority have low blood sugar levels.
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The challenge has failed. Jacko is out for the next 3 weeks and apparently very dejected leaving the tribunal.
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The challenge has failed. Jacko is out for the next 3 weeks and apparently very dejected leaving the tribunal.
why challenge if you are going to get the two match ban "downgraded" to ... a two match banned???
that is stupid!
he was very good against Hawthorn, and we will miss his hardness around the midfield.
>:(
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Was pretty rough to get the punishement he did, but he was stupid to contest it, especially with such flimsy evidence/reasoning
Would have been better to argue the contact wasn't hrad enough to justify a report and try and get off completely
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The challenge has failed. Jacko is out for the next 3 weeks and apparently very dejected leaving the tribunal.
why challenge if you are going to get the two match ban "downgraded" to ... a two match banned???
that is stupid!
he was very good against Hawthorn, and we will miss his hardness around the midfield.
>:(
He beat the judiciary after the Freo game. Can't win them all Jacko.
Will be missed against the Bombers who he has played well against in the last 3 Dreamtimes.
Will miss the trip across the border to play the Power and the St Kilda game at ES also.
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Yeah with that sort of bird, he should of just smashed him in the snotter and been done with it.
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Richmond doctor Greg Hickey has argued Jackson has a history of becoming aggressive and aggravated when he's copped a hit to the head. He said Daniel at the time of the incident was suffering from concussion from the collision with Campbell Brown that happened just moments before.
The only thing more staggering than contesting it was the above evidence.
Watch the tape. ::)
If he was so concussed as the good doctor said in evidence then why were the medicos not assisting him for the ground ie holding onto him rather than jogging beside him.
I still don't think it was worth challenging it. Using the team first mantra - what was in the best interest of the team? Out for 2 weeks or 3 weeks?
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From the HUN:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-daniel-jackson-suspended-for-three-weeks/story-e6frf9jf-1225868363458
Richmond's Daniel Jackson suspended for three weeks
Bruce Matthews From: Herald Sun May 18, 2010 7:32PM
RICHMOND midfielder Daniel Jackson has been suspended for three matches for a head-butt.
Jackson was appealing a two match suspension for head-butting Hawthorn defender Campbell Brown on the weekend.
He argued at the tribunal that the contact wasn't forceful enough to constitute a head-butt, and that if it was hard enough it was an involuntary action because he had been dazed by a previous bump during the game against the Hawks.
The tribunal rejected Jackson's claim and bumped up his penalty by an extra week.
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what is pathetic is that it was not even a real head but it was more a soft push with his head, and the afl are weak bastards, why does he get 3 weeks for not even hurting campbell yet campbell concusses to players and get scott free, where has duty of care gone ????
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what is pathetic is that it was not even a real head but it was more a soft push with his head, and the afl are weak bastards, why does he get 3 weeks for not even hurting campbell yet campbell concusses to players and get scott free, where has duty of care gone ????
I think you'll find Lloyd (the greastest diver in AFL history) went for a couple of weeks for the same thing X.
What cost Jackson IMHO (apart from the terrible defence tactic used at the tribunal this evening) was the fact his act was in retaliation. Was always going to make his case difficult
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The RFC should be ashamed of itself contesting that. What a joke really. It was a headbut unless im going blind. :banghead :banghead
Guilty as charged nothing he can see will change the fact it was a headbut.
Its almost like they looked at the fixture and thought well we play the saints, we will probably get smashed so what have we got to lose.
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I'm not in the least bit surprised by this decision. Any opportunity the AFL can get to shaft us they will. And the real culprits of the round Brown and Hille get to walk away scot free,without a case to answer.
The AFL is stuffed, and they can all go and stuff themselves sideways.
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Foolish decision by the club to contest this, they should have targeted their angst at Brown escaping punishment.
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Jackson 'out of mind' defence fails to sway tribunal
JESSE HOGAN
May 19, 2010
DANIEL Jackson's apparent propensity for involuntary aggression after blows to his head did not save him from a three-match suspension at the AFL tribunal last night.
The Richmond midfielder challenged a charge of headbutting Hawthorn's Campbell Brown on the basis that Brown's collision with him shortly beforehand had left him incapable of making a proper decision. ''Having just been laid out by Brown, he wasn't in the requisite state of mind,'' said defence counsel Michael Tovey, QC.
Tovey criticised Brown for running 50 metres after the initial contact ''to confront a player who is in the hands of the trainers'' and then ''thrust forward with his chest and face … with a swallow-like dive''.
Advertisement: Story continues belowJackson's evidence that he did not remember headbutting Brown was supported by Tigers doctor Greg Hickey, who said the player was ''not fully in control of his senses at the time of the incident''.
He said Jackson had lashed out at him two or three times in the past as he tried to examine him after a blow to the head. ''His response when he gets a minor episode - when he has a blow to the head … is he gets a bit aggressive,'' Hickey told the tribunal.
Tovey also asked the jury to consider post-match media comments by Brown disputing he had been headbutted by Jackson and that the clash was simply ''byplay'' between them.
The tribunal agreed with the match review panel that the headbutt was intentional with low impact and high contact, rejecting the defence plea for a softening of the penalty due to exceptional circumstances.
Jackson's failure to accept an early guilty plea increased his penalty from two matches to three.
''It was a disappointing outcome,'' he said later. ''A lot of people who saw the incident live would have agreed with what we were arguing, but obviously the tribunal didn't.''
But Jackson conceded footage of the incident was ''damning''. ''That's what cost me,'' he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jackson-out-of-mind-defence-fails-to-sway-tribunal-20100518-vc9e.html
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Tiger Daniel Jackson suspended for three games
Bruce Matthews
From: Herald Sun May 19, 2010
IN-FORM Richmond midfielder Daniel Jackson will miss the next three matches for an incident he claimed he couldn't even remember.
Jackson failed to convince the AFL Tribunal last night that a headbutt to Hawthorn hard man Campbell Brown was an involuntary act after being dazed by a heavy bump seconds earlier.
Not only have the Tigers lost their best player from the narrow loss to the Hawks, he will be forced to sit out the traditional Dreamtime at the 'G game against Essendon on Saturday night and his team's only Friday night appearance against St Kilda in a fortnight.
"I really love playing in the Dreamtime game, it's a big event for us, but it also has a lot of meaning to some of my teammates. That's something I have to deal with," he said after the failed challenge.
"We thought we had a really good case ... I thought a lot of people who saw the incident live would've agreed with what we were arguing. Obviously the tribunal didn't agree, so I've got to cop my penance and get a little bit of a rest."
Jackson, part of the club's leadership group, told the hearing he could not recall headbutting Brown as he limped towards the bench flanked by a doctor and trainer late in the final quarter at the MCG last Sunday.
"I'm a bit vague after that (bump). I remember words and getting escorted off the ground and a confrontation. But I don't remember a conscious effort to do anything," Jackson said.
The offence, for which he could have served a two-game penalty by pleading guilty, happened when Brown reacted after Jackson pushed him to the turf on his way towards the interchange gate.
"I don't remember making any forceful act," Jackson said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-daniel-jackson-suspended-for-three-weeks/story-e6frf9jf-1225868363458
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Agree should have pleaded.
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The RFC should be ashamed of itself contesting that. What a joke really. It was a headbut unless im going blind. :banghead :banghead
Don't hang the club solely for contesting this. Players always have a say in this sort of thing.
In this case I reckon Daniel would have wanted to contest this charge
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The RFC should be ashamed of itself contesting that. What a joke really. It was a headbut unless im going blind. :banghead :banghead
Don't hang the club solely for contesting this. Players always have a say in this sort of thing.
In this case I reckon Daniel would have wanted to contest this charge
whilst that maybe true the club has the final say.
Really it was a very stupid and dumb idea to contest.
Shouldve let it go through to the keeper.
As for those who think we shouldve contested brown getting off give me a break what are we pussys now.
I guarantee if brown played for us and wasn't a fukwit we would all be singing a different tune
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I guarantee if brown played for us and wasn't a effwit we would all be singing a different tune
They're some pretty big "ifs"
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You can put 22 Brownlow Medallist in a Richmond side & thier good record would still get tarnished at the Tribunal if they were to face up to a charge of anything so futile
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Jackson's three weeks is f***ing bulls*it!
:banghead
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Tigers let down by Jackson
3.19PM 20-5-2010
Richmond has counselled Daniel Jackson about controlling his on-field aggression as the Tigers' most improved player in recent times prepares for his second stint on the sidelines as a result of suspension this season.
Jackson, runner-up in the Tigers' best and fairest last season and one of their best players during last week's heartbreaking loss to Hawthorn, will serve the first of a three-match ban for headbutting Campbell Brown this week and will miss Saturday night's 'Dreamtime at the G' clash against Essendon.
The 24-year-old, a member of the club's leadership group and incredibly one of the Tigers' most experienced players even though he has played just 76 games, also missed the Round 5 loss to Fremantle in Perth after he was suspended for one match for striking Melbourne captain James McDonald in Round 4.
Richmond assistant coach Daniel Daly admitted on Thursday the inexperienced Tigers, who remain winless after eight rounds, simply could not afford to be without key players like Jackson due to suspension in their current predicament.
"We spoke about it with Jacko during the week and he knows what he has to do as a leader from here on moving forward," Daly said.
"It (the Brown headbutt) was one of those things in the spur of the moment but he made a wrong decision and it's all about your decision making (under pressure)."
"So we spoke about that and he will learn from that moving forward but we are a little disappointed in him."
With Jackson out, the Tigers are hoping that veteran on-baller Ben Cousins will return from a back injury to give the club some much-needed experience in the middle of the ground against the Bombers with Cousins having played just four of the first eight games this season due to injury with his last appearance being back in Round 6 against Geelong.
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article/Tigers-let-down-by-Jackson/9250
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Patrick Smith in yesterday's Australian
Sadly, the AFL match review panel was informed more fully after it made its decision than before it. Simply an unacceptable situation.
Like the week before when the match review panel cleared Hawthorn's Campbell Brown of high contact, the true situation was revealed the day after the panel deliberated. Brown had bumped Jackson but Richmond, not wanting to be deemed dobbers, naively denied contact had been high when contacted by the panel.
However, the next day as Jackson sought to clear himself of a charge of head-butting Brown, the club doctor not spoken to before the Jackson hearing said the Richmond player was fuzzy after being struck in the head. Jackson lost his case. How inept. Saving an opponent, Brown, cost them Jackson, their own player.
One week, one bullet dodged, two bullets found their mark. The illicit drugs policy and the tribunal system are bleeding to death. Slowly but inexorably.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/nrl-aims-straight-as-afl-takes-the-bullets/story-e6frg7mf-1225872751572