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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 26, 2010, 03:16:04 AM
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March backed on young talent
MICHAEL GLEESON
May 26, 2010
A PROPOSAL that the AFL quarantine the best young talent of recent drafts from being harvested by the two new franchises, as raised by Richmond president Gary March, has received support from other presidents.
Troubled that battling clubs could conceivably lose precious first-round draft picks just two or three years into their careers prompted March to propose that those top picks be off limits to the start-up clubs.
Carlton president Stephen Kernahan said he strongly supported the idea while Essendon chairman David Evans said that while the Bombers board had not discussed the matter yet he personally sympathised with the position.
Advertisement: Story continues below''I think it is stating the obvious but from a Carlton viewpoint I think it is a great idea,'' Kernahan said. ''I understand where he is coming from because we are all battling ways to keep our young players.''
Evans said that Essendon's board was meeting next month to discuss issues of player retention and the incoming two new clubs, and the March idea would be raised at that meeting.
He said that preparing for the two new teams and the introduction of free agency was one of the major rationales for the proposed upgrades of Windy Hill and the improvement to the Bombers' facilities.
''It's not something we have discussed yet but I have a personal view that is sympathetic to the idea raised,'' Evans said.
''You put enormous investment in young players emotionally and development wise and to see that investment walk out the door would be a bitter pill.
''All the development of our facilities at Windy Hill is part of our retention and development plans.''
Melbourne chief executive Cameron Schwab, who was on the working party that devised the rules for player procurement for the two new teams, was less than impressed with his club having been drawn into the debate by March.
The Richmond president had stressed that his idea was not a reaction to reports of multi-million dollar offers being put to the Tigers' impressive first-year player Dustin Martin.
He said he was equally opposed to the idea that players such as Tom Scully, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove or Nic Naitanui could be taken by the new teams with financially irresistible offers when they come out of contract, despite being at their first clubs for just a short time.
''Gary March does not speak on behalf of our club,'' Schwab said. ''We understand what the rules are and Tim Harrington is working hard to make sure we keep all of our players and we are comfortable with that so I don't need Gary March speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Football Club.
''It's his concept, he can take it forward. We know what the rules are and will work within the rules.''
Western Bulldogs president David Smorgon and Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett wanted to further consult with their clubs' list managers before making a comment on the proposal.
The AFL's game development executive David Matthews was unavailable for comment yesterday.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/march-backed-on-young-talent-20100525-wb2x.html
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He said he was equally opposed to the idea that players such as Tom Scully, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove or Nic Naitanui could be taken by the new teams with financially irresistible offers when they come out of contract, despite being at their first clubs for just a short time.
''Gary March does not speak on behalf of our club,'' Schwab said. ''We understand what the rules are and Tim Harrington is working hard to make sure we keep all of our players and we are comfortable with that so I don't need Gary March speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Football Club.
''It's his concept, he can take it forward. We know what the rules are and will work within the rules.''
Arrogant schmuck. God how I would love to see one of Scully or Trangrove end up at GWS and then ask if he didn't see merit in March's approach.
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He said he was equally opposed to the idea that players such as Tom Scully, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove or Nic Naitanui could be taken by the new teams with financially irresistible offers when they come out of contract, despite being at their first clubs for just a short time.
''Gary March does not speak on behalf of our club,'' Schwab said. ''We understand what the rules are and Tim Harrington is working hard to make sure we keep all of our players and we are comfortable with that so I don't need Gary March speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Football Club.
''It's his concept, he can take it forward. We know what the rules are and will work within the rules.''
Arrogant schmuck. God how I would love to see one of Scully or Trangrove end up at GWS and then ask if he didn't see merit in March's approach.
Just another bitter ex-Richmond employee
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He said he was equally opposed to the idea that players such as Tom Scully, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove or Nic Naitanui could be taken by the new teams with financially irresistible offers when they come out of contract, despite being at their first clubs for just a short time.
''Gary March does not speak on behalf of our club,'' Schwab said. ''We understand what the rules are and Tim Harrington is working hard to make sure we keep all of our players and we are comfortable with that so I don't need Gary March speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Football Club.
''It's his concept, he can take it forward. We know what the rules are and will work within the rules.''
Arrogant schmuck. God how I would love to see one of Scully or Trangrove end up at GWS and then ask if he didn't see merit in March's approach.
Just another bitter ex-Richmond employee
YEP!
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
quite a trick while your dead but it could of been a post mortem spasm lol
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
quite a trick while your dead but it could of been a post mortem spasm lol
lol
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
Bit uncalled for mate, but i still agree that he was acting a bit snobby and would be funny if Trengrove and scully left
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He said he was equally opposed to the idea that players such as Tom Scully, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove or Nic Naitanui could be taken by the new teams with financially irresistible offers when they come out of contract, despite being at their first clubs for just a short time.
''Gary March does not speak on behalf of our club,'' Schwab said. ''We understand what the rules are and Tim Harrington is working hard to make sure we keep all of our players and we are comfortable with that so I don't need Gary March speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Football Club.
''It's his concept, he can take it forward. We know what the rules are and will work within the rules.''
Arrogant schmuck. God how I would love to see one of Scully or Trangrove end up at GWS and then ask if he didn't see merit in March's approach.
You got your wish Smokey! :lol
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He said he was equally opposed to the idea that players such as Tom Scully, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove or Nic Naitanui could be taken by the new teams with financially irresistible offers when they come out of contract, despite being at their first clubs for just a short time.
''Gary March does not speak on behalf of our club,'' Schwab said. ''We understand what the rules are and Tim Harrington is working hard to make sure we keep all of our players and we are comfortable with that so I don't need Gary March speaking on behalf of the Melbourne Football Club.
''It's his concept, he can take it forward. We know what the rules are and will work within the rules.''
Arrogant schmuck. God how I would love to see one of Scully or Trangrove end up at GWS and then ask if he didn't see merit in March's approach.
well played sir :p
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well done mate
great pick up.
That schwab is an absolute tool :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Jagged that one didn't I! :o Wish I could use those powers on the neddies. :help
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
that's a pretty disgraceful comment in anyones language, what's your pedigree that provides license to cast judgement on others :o
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
that's a pretty disgraceful comment in anyones language, what's your pedigree that provides license to cast judgement on others :o
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. John 8:7
:thumbsup
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
that's a pretty disgraceful comment in anyones language, what's your pedigree that provides license to cast judgement on others :o
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. John 8:7
:thumbsup
You are God :bow :bow :bow
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That quote really has bitten Schwabby on the arz. Funny. ;D
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all schwabs are men of il character, wasnt his dad or uncle that was found dead , over dosing whiling banging a hooker in a sydney motel
Without buying into the poor form of the comment itself, Cameron Schwab is the son of Alan Schwab who was a prime mover in our 'power' years. Here is a small comment from the RFC website:
"ALAN SCHWAB
Graeme Richmond described him as “the last of the great administrators”... In his eight years of service, Alan Schwab certainly left an indelible mark at Tigerland. Schwab oversaw the 1969, 1973 and 1974 premierships. He was a passionate administrator, knowledgeable and wise, with a keen eye for young football talent, and helped keep Richmond as a pacesetter in the competition."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/theclub/history/100tigertreasures/servantsofthecentury/tabid/11586/default.aspx (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/theclub/history/100tigertreasures/servantsofthecentury/tabid/11586/default.aspx)
He left us to work as an administrator for the AFL and was still working in this role when he died. I found this interesting blog from Cameron Schwab when digging around:
"From that point onwards, my own identity and that of my father were linked. Whilst Dad was not a politician, or even a famous athlete, he had a burgeoning profile in a game that captures the passions of an inordinate amount of Victorians.
And the game had captured my passion. I loved it, and continued to love it well past that day of reckoning when ability had in fact well and truly overtaken ambition. I was never going to be good enough to play at the highest level, but in no way did that dilute my obsession for the game. It was to become my life and my career.
And I could live out this obsession every day. Dad would come home, most often late in the evening, and I could hear first hand whether or not Royce Hart’s knee had recovered sufficiently to take on the Blues this weekend.
I was just so proud to be Alan Schwab’s son. I carried the surname around like a badge of honour, flashing it whenever the opportunity arose, and often it did.
He was my hero.
My hero died seven years ago, suddenly, aged 52 in a hotel room in Kings Cross. He would not have liked the way he died, it was so unnecessary.
But he did, and we carry on.
But we carry on with burden. The sadness in death that never leaves you. The fact that you still need a father. The fact that you still need a hero.
The burden of grief, not just your own but of others. I shared the loss of a father with my sister and brother, and we did what we could to support each other. But I shared Alan Schwab as hero with hundreds of others, who were Dad’s friends and for whom I became the vestibule for their grieving.
I even found myself being invited to functions and get-togethers that Dad would have attended but I was not entitled to attend in my own right. For a couple of years I became a proxy-Alan Schwab. They could still have their Schwabby.
None of this left a lot of time for me to grieve in my own right, I was too busy grieving on behalf of everyone else. This was one-way grieving, and in many ways I was just too sad and angry to grieve anyway.
Now, I am not sure what I miss most, the father or the hero. Perhaps they have always been so inextricably linked that I do not know the difference.
Most of the time, having your own real life hero was more important. If nothing else it made me a very charitable child in terms of my expectations of Dad as a father.
As I grew older I became far less charitable, and I judged Dad harshly.
We learn from death as we do from life. Perhaps my greatest lesson.
Heroes, and fathers, are indeed human, and they have human failings, they make mistakes.
I have now learnt to forgive.
I am a man now, and I am also a father. A life replaced. My son’s name is Lachlan, but I am sure he will be Schwabby one day, and he will have to work that out for himself. I hope he wears the moniker with pride as I did.
But more than anything, I hope he also learns how to forgive."
http://gameplans.tumblr.com/post/527832568/the-burden-of-forgiveness (http://gameplans.tumblr.com/post/527832568/the-burden-of-forgiveness)
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It is a tragic story, nobody disputes this. I would also like to point out though, that it also indicates something that has created a problem with our club, this sense that Cameron inherits his fathers position and influence at the club is akin to me inheriting my Grandfathers rank and accolades from the army after I joined the military. You have to earn your own stripes from the ground up, that is one thing the 4 x 2's teach their kids in business even the wealthiest ones. You start off sweeping the floors. The club has built up legends around people and started to believe them and then transferred them onto their kids. It is like father / son rules in the past, the old man is only half the gene pool, if he picked a dainty little flower for a wife, chances are the kids part dainty little flower too...
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interesting subject Owl.
At the risk of bringing the ire of some pedant for going off topic I was once told that family business often follow a trend.
The first generation establishes the business, his son will take it to the next level, but then his son, the third gen will stuff it up.
It's amazing how many times you see this happen