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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on December 18, 2004, 01:24:03 PM
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Greg Miller was on 3aw - said he doesn't know the final results yet. Official results due in an hour or two.
Anthony Mithin has been re-elected.
Wallace will be on 3aw before 2pm.
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How do they know Mitho was re-elected and not the others MT?
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How do they know Mitho was re-elected and not the others MT?
Mitho was on SEN
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All 9 re-elected :-)
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All 9 re-elected :-)
Casey on 3aw in a few minutes after Terry who's on now
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The people have spoken - let's hope those that have been beaten get behind the club and the elected board!
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The big4 should get on all 4's and squeal like pigs.
Just heard Wallace on 3aw.
Seems like he was appalled with the training tactics employed by frawley
although he didn't actually say it.
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3aw just said:
Just over 13,000 (65%) voted.
Miller got the most votes. I think they said Casey came second.
Casey thanked members and will stay around for as long as members want him. Miller is deciding how long he will remain on the board.
Said Casey asked for unity from the Macek camp.
Casey on after the 3pm news.
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After a long tough year really pleased they've been able to get the approval of the members and particularly the way they did in getting all nine up. The board was the last secton of the club to get right. Glad to now have a united board. Said to members he was honoured at been given the opportunity.
Miller was number 1 with 8000-8500 votes. Casey second. Actual numbers will be posted on the official site soon.
9th was O'Shannessy with 7000 and the gap to 10th spot was Bryan Wood at 6000. So there was a clear margin between 9th and 10th.
Hasn't spoken to Macek or Schwab yet as they've only known since 1pm. Essence of message to them would be to get united and get these guys back to the Club and feel welcome and move forward to together.
3aw hasn't received a return call yet from Macek and Schwab.
Said the past 8 months they have worked extremely hard to restructure the Club. The pressure from the alternative made them work even harder which in some ways can be a good thing.
Casey said all nine are committed. All have jobs to do and portfolios to manage.
On Rex wait to after to Christmas and discuss with him what capacity he wants to be involved. When they spoke to Rex before it was about gearing up Richmond supporters to become members and increase sponsorships.
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18 December 2004
In our capacity as Returning Officer for the 2004 election of directors of the Richmond Football Club
Limited (“the Club”), we advise below the official results of the ballot of members.
Election Summary
Total Ballot Papers mailed to the members: 21,770
Valid ballot papers received prior to election deadline: 13,099
Invalid ballot papers received prior to election deadline: 219
Votes cast in favour of candidates:
1. Garry Cameron 7,080
2. Clinton Casey 7,549
3. Robert Dalton 6,989
4. Don Lord 7,358
5. Gary March 7,117
6. John Matthies 7,332
7. Greg Miller 8,917
8. Anthony Mithen 7,671
9. Maurice O’Shannassy 6,988
10. Trevor Barrot 5,326
11. Brian Dungey 199
12. Robert Edgley 4,979
13. Sharon Hall 5,583
14. Michael Humphris 5,265
15. Charles Macek 5,921
16. Colin Radford 4,685
17. Justin Ridge 1,826
18. Brendan Schwab 5,188
19. Peter Welsh 5,246
20. Bryan Wood 6,019
Total votes cast from valid ballot papers: 117,238
We declare in accordance with by-law 3.5 of the Club’s Board Election rules that candidates 1-9 have been elected by the members to fill the nine director positions becoming vacant at the Club’s Annual General Meeting to be held on 22 December 2004.
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Ordered results:
| 1. Greg Miller | 8,917 |
| 2. Anthony Mithen | 7,671 |
| 3. Clinton Casey | 7,549 |
| 4. Don Lord | 7,358 |
| 5. John Matthies | 7,332 |
| 6. Gary March | 7,117 |
| 7. Garry Cameron | 7,080 |
| 8. Robert Dalton | 6,989 |
| 9. Maurice O’Shannassy | 6,988 |
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| 10. Bryan Wood | 6,019 |
| 11. Charles Macek | 5,921 |
| 12. Sharon Hall | 5,583 |
| 13. Trevor Barrot | 5,326 |
| 14. Michael Humphris | 5,265 |
| 15. Peter Welsh | 5,246 |
| 16. Brendan Schwab | 5,188 |
| 17. Robert Edgley | 4,979 |
| 18. Colin Radford | 4,685 |
| 19. Justin Ridge | 1,826 |
| 20. Brian Dungey | 199 |
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What a great result.
Imagine all the poor soles at the other website :'(
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I don't know what this means, but i just added the total votes per ticket
Alternative 48,212
Incumbent 67,001
Pretty resounding result i'd say!
Macek on 3AW after 4.00pm
Back to the pool for Moi lol :rollin
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I don't know what this means, but i just added the total votes per ticket
Alternative 48,212
Incumbent 67,001
Pretty resounding result i'd say!
Yep a comfortable win.
Incumbents - 57%
Alternative - 41%
Independents - 2%
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Felt mixed emotions - relief it's over; disappointment at the result, for the alternative team, for their supporters, for Sharon Hall (in relation to 50% of RFC supporters being female and having a voice) and that no Richmond personality or past player is on the board.
Turnout from voters of 65% was to their expectations.
Said the result was comprehensive in terms of 9-zip but on the other hand when you look at the range of votes there only needed to be a 1 in 10 change in votes to change the result. Said the result was a good result for the alternative given the emphatic miller factor and that it reinforces the alternative's view if it wasn't for Miller's involvement they would have won decisively.
When asked if he would've done anything different in the campaign given one criticism of the alternative was run on criticism of the current board rather than what the alternative were going to do. Macek disagreed saying the only negative comment they made was about the state of the finances. The rest was positive but that message was blurred by the focus on personalities and one in particular. Said given the serious financial problems they were the only ones offering unity and re-engaging the Club and members.
Dean Jones congratulated Macek for having courage to run despite the result and set an example to other Club's disgrunted members. Someone needed to take on Richmond. Macek said the he only joined Schwab due to his love and passion for the RFC. The Club had been a laughing stok too long and he wanted to change the culture. The 9 alternative members have vowed to keep in touch.
Doesn't expect Miller to be on the board in 12 months as his position is untenable and he has compromised Wright's integrity by allowing double standards. Miller should have stayed in the football department where his expertise is due to his footy nous. They gave Miller that guarantee. Members won't feel duped if he stands down as Macek believes they voted for Miller to keep him at the Club after Miller said vote for Casey or I'm out of here.
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MT...did he offer congratulations to the incumbents on their victory and say that they accepted the umpires decision? Sounds like they're still blaming everyone but themselves for the result.
Don't they credit any supporters with being able to make up their own minds....I for one was vtoing Casey prior to Miller putting up his hand to stand.
Macek keeps talking about all their support within in the club. This may well be true, but hardly helps us all to move foward.
You gave it your best shot Charles and it wasn't good enough...please be gracious now.
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Come on guys, you're being far too polite for my liking lol
Nah, nah, nah, nah to those idiots lol
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MT...did he offer congratulations to the incumbents on their victory and say that they accepted the umpires decision? Sounds like they're still blaming everyone but themselves for the result.
Well I haven't heard it bg25 and I've listened to Macek on 3aw and just before on Sports Tonight. In fact at the end of his ch. 10 interview he made a snide and weird remark about things being different if Miller's past had been revealed ???
Don't they credit any supporters with being able to make up their own minds....I for one was voting Casey prior to Miller putting up his hand to stand.
Same here bg25.
In fact a couple of callers on 3aw after Macek was on bagged him for this.
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I saw Charles Macek on Channel 9 news and he didn't congratulate the incumbents, he made some comment about the finances and the clubs's performances and how the subsequent election result was surprising. :-\
The final numbers are a stunning result for the Casey ticket - that Anthony Mithen got the second highest number of votes was probably the greatest surprise to me.
the result is clear cut and everyone needs to accept it and unite.
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lmaooo moi, I totally agree :cheers
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Might not get another chance to sink the boot lol
Make hay while the sun shines my motto
And boy is it shining today ;D
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Up yours Caro and the other reporters who have hammered our club all year, even when we did a few things right (although limited) !!!!
Up yours PRE for using your site and a Pro alternative voice
Up yours Schwabby about time your name at Tigerland disappeared into the past
Up yours Up yours Up yours
;D
LOL
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disappointed that casey and march gets another chance but
oh well , hopefully they have learnt from their mistakes and can
do better
would have like to see mike humphries get on but perhaps in
the end it was best that it was a clear win to one of the tickets..
hopefully everyone can now get behind the club
and we can move on and up..
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Puntroadroar, a sensational POST
As for the guy who goes by a first name and a intital, you are a total disgrace !
As for the alternative ticket, :birthday :cheers I wonder how you clowns are feeling tonite :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I hope members of the alternative don't feel too disheartened or rejected.
I'm extremely happy with the election result but would like some of the unsuccessful candidates to work with the board and use their passion and skills to help the club move forward.
None of them are an evil scourge, they're all Richmond supporters.
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I am going to disagree with you on this one fishfinger. I say get lost Macek, Wood, Schwab,welsh, Barrot , Humphris, the club doesnt need people like yourself and even some of there supporters, go and follow someone else. ;)
these people never had the RFC at heart
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Up yours Caro and the other reporters who have hammered our club all year, even when we did a few things right (although limited) !!!!
Up yours PRE for using your site and a Pro alternative voice
Up yours Schwabby about time your name at Tigerland disappeared into the past
Up yours Up yours Up yours
;D
LOL
ON THE FLOOR ROLLIN AROUND LAFFIN MY ARS OFF. :rollin
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It's Miller's Richmond
By Stathi Paxinos
The Age
December 19, 2004
Richmond director of football Greg Miller yesterday emerged as the clear saviour of the incumbent Clinton Casey board, which was elected in a clean sweep over the rebel Macek ticket.
All nine members of the Casey ticket were elected, but Casey himself could run only third, nearly 1500 votes behind Miller, who topped the poll of Richmond members.
After the vote was declared yesterday, however, Miller hinted he may not continue to sit on the board, after his candidacy drew widespread criticism over its alleged conflict of interest, and Casey said he would step down in a year if Richmond's financial performance had not improved.
Casey said he took the result of the election, in which more than 13,000 members voted, as a second chance from the faithful to build on the momentum gained during the second half of the year.
Casey, who with 7549 votes ranked behind the popular Miller (8917) and Anthony Mithen (7641), promised a new management style to bridge differences with the Macek-led rebel ticket and disgruntled sections of the club.
None on the Macek ticket received enough votes to claim any of the nine vacant positions, despite the presidential hopeful's belief that the board would be split.
Macek yesterday conceded the result, where the best-performed of his ticket, former player Bryan Wood (6019), was almost 1000 votes behind Casey's ninth ticket member Maurice O'Shannassy (6988), could be described only as a "decisive" defeat.
He said the result confirmed the incredible support Miller was able to bring to the Casey ticket. However, he maintained his criticism of Miller's position of being on the board while also working as football director.
"It's just untenable," Macek said. "It just undermines the (chief executive) and just puts him in impossible conflict."
Miller yesterday said he was honoured to be voted onto the board and would hold both positions for the time being, but would review the situation in the coming months.
Casey said it would be "just terrific" to lead a united board. "It will be the last part of our club that . . . was fractured over the last six or eight months, (where) just about every section of the club has had something done to it - a new coach, CEO, football department, so many new young players, our list," he said.
"And now we have finally got a board that we can truly, hand on heart, say to our members is fully united, fully behind our vision and our plan and hopefully over the next years you are going to see a major difference, both in the finances of this footy club and with onfield success."
However, Casey said he was aware the vote had given him a "second chance" and he reiterated that he would step aside next year if the club's financial situation - it finished on the bottom of the AFL ladder this year for the first time since 1989 and lost $2.2 million - did not improve.
He said members of the rival ticket would be welcomed back at Tigerland. "The main thing is that they don't get disenchanted," he said. "What they did, they did in the best interest of the footy club."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/18/1103312785485.html
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I hope members of the alternative don't feel too disheartened or rejected.
I'm extremely happy with the election result but would like some of the unsuccessful candidates to work with the board and use their passion and skills to help the club move forward.
None of them are an evil scourge, they're all Richmond supporters.
Let's hope so FF.
It's going to be difficult as the personal sniping during the election campaign was pretty nasty. The last thing we need is for some in the alternative to be bitter about the losing and lurk around in the background waiting for the Club to fail so they can pounce.
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I agree MT, the not welcome sign should be displayed prominently ;D
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the not welcome sign should be displayed prominently ;D
I must say that's a very alternative supporters type of attitude as was displayed during the election campaign. I can understand your sentiments but I definitely don't agree. Hopefully you are at least partly joking.
When I said I'd like "some" of the unsuccessful candidates to work with the board I had in mind the likes of Sharon Hall who is fresh, seems keen to help and doesn't appear to have personal issues. It makes sense to be circumspect about Macek, Schwab and Welsh but they can still be valuable contributors.
To say they shouldn't be welcome, they don't have the RFC at heart and some of their supporters should follow another team doesn't sit well with me.
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They should be all welcomed back at the club as though no election had been held at all.
No-one has the right to shun supporters, no matter who they are.
If they continue to cause trouble, i think the members will suss out their motives pretty quick and any attempts for further board disruption will not be looked on unfavourably - unless, of course, there's cause.
The voting back of the board is ppl showing faith in what they are doing at the moment - and i'm personally glad the supporters saw it that way.
I'm hoping there's no future reason why we should have to go through something like this again.
Premiership in 2007 thanks!
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They should be all welcomed back at the club as though no election had been held at all.
No-one has the right to shun supporters, no matter who they are.
If they continue to cause trouble, i think the members will suss out their motives pretty quick and any attempts for further board disruption will not be looked on unfavourably - unless, of course, there's cause.
I agree Moi - it is time for everyone to work together. Clinto Casey has extended the olive branch and accepted that he probably wasn't as accessable (though I personally never found that 8)) as he should have been as President.
The Alternative have to accept that the members have had their say and made a very very clear cut decision. They need to show and extend the same olive branch - they need to work with the board and club to help bring some unity to the place. It will interesting to see if any attend Wednesday's AGM - the ball's in their court but if they chose not to attend it would be IM(ever so)HO wrong.
Clearly there are past players who feel aggrieved - whether the alternative used this to their advantage during the election is open to debate but now is a great opportunity for the people on that ticket to assist the club with bringing the former players back and feeling part of the Club - rather than feeding any tensions that maybe present.
As bg25 said on another thread "the tribe has spoken" - we all need to accept it and move on - preferably forward in the same direction - UNITED
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Was saying it jokingly although you wouldnt be offering the red carpet to the likes of schwab and welsh would you ? ::)
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I'd encourage them to be a part what looks to be exciting times for the club.
I'd at least give them the benefit of any doubt that they would channel their skills in the right direction. In spite of some dubious tactics in the election I have always thought they are good people.
I'm impressed that Casey has extended the olive branch and hope everyone can follow his lead.
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Just remember one thing, they were offered the ""olive tree"" before the election and they told Casey to stick. They also told Miller if they were elected that Miller would go straight away, thus Millers stance in running and concequently obtaining a seat on the board.
Lets all move on !
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LMAO@ some lady who runs a certain website saying that the result was far from a landslide!!!
Well i would have thought that having all 9 people on the ticket elected and the 9th person being roughly 1000 votes ahead of the alternative boards best to be a landslide.
Suck poo Schwab and PRE
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Casey seeks to bury the hatchet
By Dan Oakes
The Age
December 20, 2004
As the dust settles in the aftermath of the struggle for control of Richmond, re-elected president Clinton Casey has extended the olive branch to his defeated foes.
Casey said yesterday he would meet members of the Charles Macek-led ticket that failed in its attempt to dislodge him from his position at the helm of the troubled club.
"We'll in some way, shape or form make contact with them during the week (but) it's not just them, there are former players we need to sit down with, the former players' association as well, there are former board members we need to talk to. We just really need to sit down and get a general feeling for who's feeling disenfranchised," Casey said. "We're all big boys and at the end of the day, this is a club. We don't need to be best friends, but we have to have the best interests of the club at heart and work out a way that we can all live together and, where possible, help each other out."
At times, the election was spiteful, with accusations of conflict of interest, arrogance, wedge politics and financial incompetence hurled around by various players in the drama. Both sides leaked material to journalists in efforts to discredit their opponents, notably in relation to Tigers legends Rex Hunt and Bill Barrot, who both entered the fray, only to retire licking their wounds.
At one stage, Casey suggested that material sent to members by Macek's ticket was defamatory of him and flagged the possibility of legal action, a course of action Macek lieutenant Brendan Schwab described as "ludicrous".
Macek said yesterday he expected to meet with Casey soon, but insisted the onus was on the president to organise a meeting. The two will certainly run into each other at the club's annual meeting on Wednesday.
"(The AGM) will be an interesting demonstration of any change in the attitude of the current board. The board now clearly has the responsibility for taking the club forward, so, I think any initiative needs to come from them," Macek said.
"I think the thing that has to happen now is that the club has to become united. It will be difficult for some people because there are aspects of the campaign that obviously some people will feel strongly about, but I think we've all got to be big enough and willing enough to see what can be contributed to help the club out of the very serious financial position it's in."
Macek again claimed that the popularity with the members of football operations manager Greg Miller had pushed Casey over the line. Casey's campaign appeared to be faltering before Miller made the extraordinary decision a month ago to abandon impartiality and run on Casey's ticket. Miller polled more votes than any of the other 19 candidates, including Casey.
Macek also said despite none of his team finishing among the nine highest-polling candidates, the result was not the crushing defeat it might seem to be.
"In a way, it is closer than it appears, even though it's a decisive victory, because it only needed 10 to 15 per cent of the people who voted for the Casey ticket to change and then you would have had a different result," Macek said.
"Clearly, given the enormous support that Greg Miller got, as evidenced by the fact that he out-polled everyone comfortably, that's not a bad result."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/19/1103391634652.html
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Good on Casey for trying to mend bridges and be willing to sit down and talk. I'd be surprised if Schwab and Welsh take up the offer but other less profile people on the alternative ticket do have some attributes that would benefit the club. Past players are already helping out with the mentor program Terry has got going.
Pleased with Macek saying "the thing that has to happen now is that the club has to become united.... I think we've all got to be big enough and willing enough to see what can be contributed to help the club out"
"In a way, it is closer than it appears, even though it's a decisive victory
Didn't realise Danny Frawley wrote the alternative's material lol ;).
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"I think the thing that has to happen now is that the club has to become united. It will be difficult for some people because there are aspects of the campaign that obviously some people will feel strongly about, but I think we've all got to be big enough and willing enough to see what can be contributed to help the club out of the very serious financial position it's in."
Spot on Charles - I agree :thumbsup It is all about unity now - not road blocks UNITY
I actaully heard Charles Macek on SEN this morning - he repeated again his views about Miller being on the board and it being unacceptable :sleep But one thing he said and I applaud him for saying it was that the he was pleased the members has finally had their say and had been able to elect the entire 9 directors and it was pleasing that so many had taken the time to vote.
He also said it was extremely disappointing that Sharon Hall did not get elected to represent the 50%+ members of the Club.
"In a way, it is closer than it appears, even though it's a decisive victory
Didn't realise Danny Frawley wrote the alternative's material lol ;).
:rollin :rollin
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The best thing about all of this is that the members decided what was best for RFC, :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup rather than a few angry men behind the scenes with their noses out of joint, as seems to have generally happened in the past.
Had the RFC Board been accountable and answerable to its members over the last 20 years, then we couldn’t have achieved the mediocre results we have in that time.
If we want our footy club to stop achieving those stunted results and from just going nowhere, then it has to be up to members to determine the direction of their Club, otherwise, why have members at all? Minority groups short circuiting plans and creating an unaccountable and therefore unworkable environment doesn’t help the on or off-field department of any Club or organisation.
For me, this is just the best news ever (well nearly ever). Because, instead of listening to what was being said on radio and tv and what was being written in the press, Richmond members made up their own minds as to the best direction for their Club.
Richmond members/supporters would have a greater understanding of what’s been wrong with this Club over more than just the last 2 or 3 years. But the way some “observers” speak, you would think that they know Richmond better than Richmond members know their own Club?
And if you listen to some out there in radio and newspaper land, they don’t seem to understand the election result. And the reason they don’t is because they base their views on just recent results, rather than looking at the whole picture. Which is the same mistake the Alternative group made.
We’re the ones who follow RFC religiously, and whether it turns out to be a result for the better or not, as members, it is our right to determine the direction our Club takes. And everybody else’s views can take a back seat, from hereon in, because those who have made up our minds for us in the past have only served to send us on the road to nowhere.
If things are to change permanently then it should always be the right of members to determine the direction of their Club, because they’re the ones who know and understand it better than most.
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The best thing about all of this is that the members decided what was best for RFC, :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup rather than a few angry men behind the scenes with their noses out of joint, as seems to have generally happened in the past.
Had the RFC Board been accountable and answerable to its members over the last 20 years, then we couldn’t have achieved the mediocre results we have in that time.
If we want our footy club to stop achieving those stunted results and from just going nowhere, then it has to be up to members to determine the direction of their Club, otherwise, why have members at all? Minority groups short circuiting plans and creating an unaccountable and therefore unworkable environment doesn’t help the on or off-field department of any Club or organisation.
For me, this is just the best news ever (well nearly ever). Because, instead of listening to what was being said on radio and tv and what was being written in the press, Richmond members made up their own minds as to the best direction for their Club.
Richmond members/supporters would have a greater understanding of what’s been wrong with this Club over more than just the last 2 or 3 years. But the way some “observers” speak, you would think that they know Richmond better than Richmond members know their own Club?
And if you listen to some out there in radio and newspaper land, they don’t seem to understand the election result. And the reason they don’t is because they base their views on just recent results, rather than looking at the whole picture. Which is the same mistake the Alternative group made.
We’re the ones who follow RFC religiously, and whether it turns out to be a result for the better or not, as members, it is our right to determine the direction our Club takes. And everybody else’s views can take a back seat, from hereon in, because those who have made up our minds for us in the past have only served to send us on the road to nowhere.
If things are to change permanently then it should always be the right of members to determine the direction of their Club, because they’re the ones who know and understand it better than most.
Great post.
The alt's downfall was their insistance that problems only existed during the past 5 years and 5 years only. Most RFC members have been around for way longer than that and they know that there has been something wrong with the club for a period much longer than that. Yes we haven't had as bad results financially and football wise as last year, but things just haven't been right. Last year was the year we just let go and were left to free-fall. You can't hold on for too long and the inevitable was always gonna happen when things are not right.
Also I think members were sick of the conservative and band aid approach of the past. The big broom that swept through the place recently and the subsequent appointments were enough to get the current board home. It's like alot of members gave off a sigh of releif and thought "at last some proper ballsy decisions". That was enough to get them home. The Miller factor only re-enforced the fact that that they were onto something and that they all really beleived in it - some steadfast assertiveness only serves to gain more respect.
As a member and a supporter I can only go on my gut feeling and opinion of the club. I have never had more respect and admiration in the club than I do curently based on direction it is heading. I have always been a proud supporter but deep down I always knew we weren't the real deal, that it was cringe time every time we tried to be one of the big boys. It was like a little brother you have that you try and protect every time he tries to be too big for his boots. With some true professionals at the club at the moment and some quality talent, I think the little brother can look after himself now.
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The alt's downfall was their insistance that problems only existed during the past 5 years and 5 years only. Most RFC members have been around for way longer than that and they know that there has been something wrong with the club for a period much longer than that. Yes we haven't had as bad results financially and football wise as last year, but things just haven't been right. Last year was the year we just let go and were left to free-fall. You can't hold on for too long and the inevitable was always gonna happen when things are not right.
Exactly Harry. Some have known for years the depth of our problems. But no one from within, until Miller’s appointment, seemed to know or understand where the real problems were, or how to deal with them. This time, because we didn’t try and find someone to blame (i.e. Coach) for everything that went wrong, but instead let things run full term, we were finally allowed to see exactly how bad things really were.
Which meant that there weren’t any short-term, misleading, results gained by making short-term, quick fix decisions. Now, any decisions can be based on a true indication of where we are at and we can re-build the place, from the ground up.
Also I think members were sick of the conservative and band aid approach of the past. The big broom that swept through the place recently and the subsequent appointments were enough to get the current board home. It's like alot of members gave off a sigh of releif and thought "at last some proper ballsy decisions". That was enough to get them home. The Miller factor only re-enforced the fact that that they were onto something and that they all really beleived in it - some steadfast assertiveness only serves to gain more respect.
For the Alt. group to focus on the finances, from the outset, meant that they had no idea of the real issues that needed to be addressed. Fixing the finances doesn’t fix the on-field stuff, especially if you don’t even know the footy department needs fixing. Members voted for Miller because they know their footy club and what needs to happen before we can see any real improvement on or off the field.
As a member and a supporter I can only go on my gut feeling and opinion of the club. I have never had more respect and admiration in the club than I do curently based on direction it is heading. I have always been a proud supporter but deep down I always knew we weren't the real deal, that it was cringe time every time we tried to be one of the big boys. It was like a little brother you have that you try and protect every time he tries to be too big for his boots. With some true professionals at the club at the moment and some quality talent, I think the little brother can look after himself now.
I'm the same HarryH. And as long as people are given time and allowed to do their job then things should now be able to head in the right direction.
Even if they don’t, there’s a time and place for changes to happen and for people to have their say. And it doesn’t need people in the background to take matters into their own hands to try and “fix” things. It only creates more problems than it’s worth and is what has sent us backwards in the past.
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And another thing, members are sick and tired of false hopes. Every time the club seemed to do well on the park you knew it was only a matter of time until it fell into a heap ? Why was this ? Why were even the most passionate supporters expecting us to fail ? Because deep down, despite what people wanted to beleive, they knew that the structure, the culture, the people in place etc. were not of a calibre that could keep it up or have plans in place to avoid any severe slumps.
A friend of mine who is a supporter but not a member of recent time said to me that he always expects us to fall into a hole every time we show some promise and some form. If this enters the mind of a part time supporter, then imagine the uncertainty that enters the mind and heart of a full time supporter and member.
We always had to play at 110% to win games and scrape through at that. I want a team that can win at 70-80% and when we are switched on to really thump teams. I want a team to be able to revert to plan B when plan A isn't working and have plan B get us over the line. In the past we've had plan A, then we've had heads down and wait for the final siren to end the pain.
Members have been sick to death with false hopes and lack of ability for too long and said enough is enough - we need decisiveness and a proper overhaul of the footy department....one that can be created properly from scratch, involving professionals and one that get's us away from the band aid approach of the recent past. Well decisiveness and an overhaul is exactly what the current board brought to them. They stood their ground and made the proper changes - something we as members had been wanting for for too long.
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Top posts TS and Harry.
You can sum up the alternative's failings in the very first sentence of their brochure where they lauded 1999 as an example of what they were all about. Looking back at the past and a past that represented mediocrity. The members knew we've sadly been there many times before over the past 20 years and were sick of it.
We always had to play at 110% to win games and scrape through at that. I want a team that can win at 70-80% and when we are switched on to really thump teams. I want a team to be able to revert to plan B when plan A isn't working and have plan B get us over the line. In the past we've had plan A, then we've had heads down and wait for the final siren to end the pain.
Hit the nail on the head once again Harry. That there explains why we finished 9th so many times. We could scrounge out wins again similar mediocre teams but fall in a heap against any side with a bit of quality who could match our effort. When we did make the finals in 95 and especially in 2001 we were sitting ducks for the classy and highly skilled sides. It's no coincidence IMHO that the sides we've struggled to beat and haven't got within a bull's roar of in a long time are Port, Brissy and Essendon. Giving your all just doesn't cut it if you can't back it up with class. Good sides win even when they aren't playing that well. That's what having 5 picks in the top 20 of a draft is all about - introducing skill and class into the side.