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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: big tone on August 19, 2010, 09:44:24 PM
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I am not up with the young talent in this years draft. So i have a few questions....
Who in the draft that is avalaible is the best small forward? ie Betts/Garlett types
And how much importances do you place on them in footy these days?
And should we maybe place more importance on one in this years draft instead of trying to fluke one late in the draft or off a rookie list. ie Nahas/Hicks/Gilligan/Nason
I personally do, we have lacked one for a long time and now with Big Jack up forward going well, we need a star at his feet to crumb anything he drops and tackle everything in sight.
Maybe not pick 6 but maybe with our next pick???
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we have more important holes to fill in our list first imo.
Holes like
Midfield depth,
finding long term viable options as Key Fwds and Key Backs, atm only Jack is certain long termer. We dont know yet with Griffiths, Post, Astbury Rance, Grimes.
Better skilled outside runners,
ruck.
Like Hawthorn, fwd pocket specialist with an early draft pick is down the list of importance for mine
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You can mould players to be small forwards
Jake King has done really well
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You can mould players to be small forwards
Jake King has done really well
How many goals has he kicked Popelord?
I love Kingy but we need a little fella that can pop up and kick 5 or more in a game. Not in a season.
Pressure is one thing but putting goals on the board is another....
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You can mould players to be small forwards
Jake King has done really well
How many goals has he kicked Popelord?
I love Kingy but we need a little fella that can pop up and kick 5 or more in a game. Not in a season.
Pressure is one thing but putting goals on the board is another....
Hicks? if he cant do this y have him?
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Hicks? if he cant do this y have him?
Grand final sprint? He will be free this year
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Last piece of the puzzle for me, far more pressing needs
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FWIW There is an article from Sheehan about the small forwards going to the Draft
Camp Combine on the AFL site.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/100621/default.aspx
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Agree a small forward is badly needed at the club.
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BT we have enough Turtle from fantasy island lookalikes in our team we dont need anymore.
absolutely we have more pressing issues that another skinny midget to be added to our team
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BT we have enough Turtle from fantasy island lookalikes in our team we dont need anymore.
absolutely we have more pressing issues that another skinny midget to be added to our team
I totally agree we have far to many midgets Daneil BUT a really good one would be nice. And they all don't need to be skinny. Eg Burns, Varco from Geelong, Schnieder, Milne from St. Kilda, Davis and Didak from Collingwood.
Notice something in common with the sides i mentioned???
Really important position in todays footy and some teams even have 2 or even 3 in the same side.
We need more goal kicking power at our club and unlike the old days, not just the big guys kick goals.
Our game has changed but i don't think we have changed our thinking....
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we need goalkickers!
just kick goals!
:thumbsup
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BT we have enough Turtle from fantasy island lookalikes in our team we dont need anymore.
absolutely we have more pressing issues that another skinny midget to be added to our team
I totally agree we have far to many midgets Daneil BUT a really good one would be nice. And they all don't need to be skinny. Eg Burns, Varco from Geelong, Schnieder, Milne from St. Kilda, Davis and Didak from Collingwood.
Notice something in common with the sides i mentioned???
Really important position in todays footy and some teams even have 2 or even 3 in the same side.
We need more goal kicking power at our club and unlike the old days, not just the big guys kick goals.
Our game has changed but i don't think we have changed our thinking....
the thing is BT all those clubs you mentioned have more than 1 big forward to feed to the little boys.
Brown, Cloke, Anthony, Jolly, Dawes
Mooney, Pods, Hawkins, Ottens
Nick R, Kosi
Buddy, Roughy
no point having smalls when all you have is back Jack up forward and if he doesnt mark it then the opposition defenders do.
If we can mould another big forward then we can focus on the small ones.
Our biggest problem at the moment is whats been our problem for the last 20 years. We need to find multiple forwards up forward and i believe one of Post, Astbury will come good. Griffiths is an unknown due to injury but has shown some good things.
I will lose my poo if we pick up a small in this draft, must be a midfielder. I am sick to death of oppostion players pushing our skinny little players to the side as they brush past them. Its getting rediculous now to be honest.
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Havn't we been pretty competitive in terms of contested possession and clearances most of the year, even when we were losing early on?
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Just looking on YouTube at some kids in the up coming draft and can anyone tell me some names of some genuine small forward types worth looking at?
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Just looking on YouTube at some kids in the up coming draft and can anyone tell me some names of some genuine small forward types worth looking at?
King has been working on his kicks and he can kick goals form 50 out.. thats pretty good for a small .. small forwards arnt found they are created :thumbsup
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Stop wasting ur time BT Richie Tambling's the man for the job
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Stop wasting ur time BT Richie Tambling's the man for the job
please tell me you are taking the pi55
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Just looking on YouTube at some kids in the up coming draft and can anyone tell me some names of some genuine small forward types worth looking at?
These are the small forwards who will be attending the Draft Camp
Reece Conca (Perth, WA)
Height: 182cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 12/08/92
Versatile player who can play forward, midfield or back. His ability to run and carry and his football smarts were prominent in representing WA at the Under-18 Championships this year. Averaged 18 disposals at 79 per cent efficiency.
Sam Crocker (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic)
Height: 180cm, Weight: 73kg, DOB: 12/03/92
Midfielder who can play forward and use his excellent disposal to set up goals. Quick and strong overhead for his size he also makes good decisions with the football. Best player for Oakleigh Charges at the weekend in their match against the Bendigo Pioneers.
Josh Green (Clarence, Tas)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 24/08/92
Quick and agile midfielder/forward who reads the game extremely well and wins contested footy. Won Tasmania's most valuable player in the 2010 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships and All-Australian honours where he averaged 25 disposals.
Cameron Johnston (Geelong Falcons, Vic)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 24/02/92
Quick and versatile player who can play hit-up forward role or go down back. Very athletic type overall and a long kick.
Jed Lamb (Gippsland Power, Vic)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 19/10/92
Clever forward with clean hands overhead and at ground level, very good awareness. Super smart goalkicker in all situations kicking 34 goals this year for Power and Vic Country at the Under-18 Championships.
Tim Milera, (Port Adelaide Magpies, SA)
Height: 170cm, Weight: 72kg, DOB: 09/12/92
Skilful and talented genuine small forward in the Eddie Betts mould. Great goal sense, clean hands and has been impressive at senior level this year.
Dion Prestia (Calder Cannons, Vic)
Height: 175cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 12/10/92
Powerful inside midfielder/forward with excellent disposal skills and contested ball winning ability. Averaged 28 disposals in the TAC Cup and represented VIC Metro in the 2010 Under-18 Championships with an injury curtailing his championships. He has now returned to his best form.
Matthew Rankine (West Adelaide, SA)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 70kg, DOB: 20/02/92
Quick and agile forward who can win the contested ball and is capable overhead for his size with his natural leap. SA rep in 2010 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.
Ben Reid (Bendigo Pioneers, Vic)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 67kg, DOB:
Smart forward with good anticipation, clean hands at ground level and overhead. Uses ball well and impressed for NSW/ACT in the Under-18 Championships this year. Brother Sam plays for the Western Bulldogs.
Thomas Schneider, (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic)
Height: 178cm, Weight: 77kg, DOB: 30/09/92
Very smart and courageous fall of the ball player with clean hands and neat disposal skills. Smart around goals and very impressive for Vic Metro in the 2010 Under-18 Championships winning All-Australian honours. Averaged 22 disposals at 75 per cent efficiency.
Hayden Yarran (West Perth, WA)
Height: 186cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 30/05/92
Very clever player around goal and accurate on the run or set shot. Strong overhead and can also push up into midfield. WA representative in the 2010 Under-18 Championships.
Source: Kevin Sheehan, afl.com.au
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Yeah I was just geeing you up.
RT's a dud plus Nahas has got that position sewn up
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two words mother-lickers.
Troy Taylor
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Troy Taylor
Troy is 189cm tall (6' 2"). He'll be more a HFFer/midsized forward.
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Players over 6' are considered "small forwards"?? Get a grip!!
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Would like Josh Green, but not sure he'll be around for one of our later picks
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I believe that this is the beauty of Taylor.
He can do all the 'small forward things' touched on earlier, such as applying pressure, pack-roving and goal kicking, but he can also be hit up on the lead.
Oh and i think people should try and refrain from telling others to 'get a grip,' as it makes them sound like flogs. :thumbsup
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Would like Josh Green, but not sure he'll be around for one of our later picks
He's a midfielder and he's a bloody gun :thumbsup Will be taken at around 30-40 in the draft I reckon. Hope we pick him up
I believe that this is the beauty of Taylor.
He can do all the 'small forward things' touched on earlier, such as applying pressure, pack-roving and goal kicking, but he can also be hit up on the lead.
Oh and i think people should try and refrain from telling others to 'get a grip,' as it makes them sound like flogs. :thumbsup
Get a grip. :shh
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which are aboriginal?
Just looking on YouTube at some kids in the up coming draft and can anyone tell me some names of some genuine small forward types worth looking at?
These are the small forwards who will be attending the Draft Camp
Reece Conca (Perth, WA)
Height: 182cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 12/08/92
Versatile player who can play forward, midfield or back. His ability to run and carry and his football smarts were prominent in representing WA at the Under-18 Championships this year. Averaged 18 disposals at 79 per cent efficiency.
Sam Crocker (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic)
Height: 180cm, Weight: 73kg, DOB: 12/03/92
Midfielder who can play forward and use his excellent disposal to set up goals. Quick and strong overhead for his size he also makes good decisions with the football. Best player for Oakleigh Charges at the weekend in their match against the Bendigo Pioneers.
Josh Green (Clarence, Tas)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 24/08/92
Quick and agile midfielder/forward who reads the game extremely well and wins contested footy. Won Tasmania's most valuable player in the 2010 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships and All-Australian honours where he averaged 25 disposals.
Cameron Johnston (Geelong Falcons, Vic)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 24/02/92
Quick and versatile player who can play hit-up forward role or go down back. Very athletic type overall and a long kick.
Jed Lamb (Gippsland Power, Vic)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 19/10/92
Clever forward with clean hands overhead and at ground level, very good awareness. Super smart goalkicker in all situations kicking 34 goals this year for Power and Vic Country at the Under-18 Championships.
Tim Milera, (Port Adelaide Magpies, SA)
Height: 170cm, Weight: 72kg, DOB: 09/12/92
Skilful and talented genuine small forward in the Eddie Betts mould. Great goal sense, clean hands and has been impressive at senior level this year.
Dion Prestia (Calder Cannons, Vic)
Height: 175cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 12/10/92
Powerful inside midfielder/forward with excellent disposal skills and contested ball winning ability. Averaged 28 disposals in the TAC Cup and represented VIC Metro in the 2010 Under-18 Championships with an injury curtailing his championships. He has now returned to his best form.
Matthew Rankine (West Adelaide, SA)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 70kg, DOB: 20/02/92
Quick and agile forward who can win the contested ball and is capable overhead for his size with his natural leap. SA rep in 2010 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.
Ben Reid (Bendigo Pioneers, Vic)
Height: 181cm, Weight: 67kg, DOB:
Smart forward with good anticipation, clean hands at ground level and overhead. Uses ball well and impressed for NSW/ACT in the Under-18 Championships this year. Brother Sam plays for the Western Bulldogs.
Thomas Schneider, (Oakleigh Chargers, Vic)
Height: 178cm, Weight: 77kg, DOB: 30/09/92
Very smart and courageous fall of the ball player with clean hands and neat disposal skills. Smart around goals and very impressive for Vic Metro in the 2010 Under-18 Championships winning All-Australian honours. Averaged 22 disposals at 75 per cent efficiency.
Hayden Yarran (West Perth, WA)
Height: 186cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 30/05/92
Very clever player around goal and accurate on the run or set shot. Strong overhead and can also push up into midfield. WA representative in the 2010 Under-18 Championships.
Source: Kevin Sheehan, afl.com.au
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I believe that this is the beauty of Taylor.
He can do all the 'small forward things' touched on earlier, such as applying pressure, pack-roving and goal kicking, but he can also be hit up on the lead.
Oh and i think people should try and refrain from telling others to 'get a grip,' as it makes them sound like flogs. :thumbsup
I wasn't referring to anyone on here Willy, just the inclusion of Hayden Yarran in the list of "small forwards". God help our game if a 6'2"-ish player ever becomes the norm for a "small forward". And I'm pretty sure I don't need any lessons in decorum or manners regarding my conduct on this forum thanks.
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Get a grip Willy ya flog
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I believe that this is the beauty of Taylor.
He can do all the 'small forward things' touched on earlier, such as applying pressure, pack-roving and goal kicking, but he can also be hit up on the lead.
Oh and i think people should try and refrain from telling others to 'get a grip,' as it makes them sound like flogs. :thumbsup
I wasn't referring to anyone on here Willy, just the inclusion of Hayden Yarran in the list of "small forwards". God help our game if a 6'2"-ish player ever becomes the norm for a "small forward". And I'm pretty sure I don't need any lessons in decorum or manners regarding my conduct on this forum thanks.
hairy muff Smokey. my mistake.
Owl, would you please locate yourself a grip already.
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Teee heee....double handed python wrestler waaaaay ahead of ya Willy
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hairy muff Smokey. my mistake.
:thumbsup
Looking back at it, I should have included that part of the article as a quote. I hadn't even noticed your reply about Taylor when I posted my comment. All good.
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which are aboriginal?
Why does it matter?
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I don't think its in Hardwicks game plan to have any specific small forwards. This is why Morton choose to reinvent himself as a wingman who moves forward. Players such as Didak now spend as much time in the midfield as they do in the forwardline. Stay at home mid and small forwards are almost non-existant in todays game. Even Milne, spends an increasing percentages of time in the middle and around stoppages which was evident against Geelong.
Even Tall forwards rarely stay at home in the modern games which is more than clear every time they show a full shot of the ground.
What we need more than specialised small forwards is an array of midfielders who can run back into space, crumb and create options when the ball is moved forward.
Stripes
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which are aboriginal?
Why does it matter?
why does it not?
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which are aboriginal?
Why does it matter?
why does it not?
Don't make me start quoting Nietzsche and poo....
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which are aboriginal?
Why does it matter?
why does it not?
The only thing that should matter is talent, not race
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Not for some, though, infamy
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Once again last night we got smashed by the small forward syndrome.
Next week Milne will take over from that finger pointing ugly idiot in Betts.
Newman was great last night but cant contain that small man. Not quick enough!! We seriously need to find someone for this role.
Any suggestions who that may be and i dont think its Farmer.
Edit: swear filter
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Troy Taylor
Troy is 189cm tall (6' 2"). He'll be more a HFFer/midsized forward.
it's great news Taylor got taller. At 192cm+ if is indeed that big he could be a weapon playing 3rd tall behind reiwoldt. Griffiths.
Macdonald I would love to see cut sick and kick 20 goals in first four round for coburg.
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Once again last night we got smashed by the small forward syndrome.
Next week Milne will take over from that finger pointing ugly idiot in Betts.
Newman was great last night but cant contain that small man. Not quick enough!! We seriously need to find someone for this role.
Any suggestions who that may be and i dont think its Farmer.
In all honesty this erks me more than anything, really it has done so for years. The small forwards win games against us all the time, have done so for years, since the Matera days and even before him. We have never had anyone to contain them. King, Newman, Farmer, Kellway boys....the list goes on.....We need to stop them and I am not sure we have the cattel to do it.
I wouldnt mind trying Conca, have him lead Milne up the ground a bit and hurt him on the rebound, just give him a go, what have we got to lose. Or maybe Batch, we need to try someone different though and not the same players we try every time. Hell, why not even give White a go!!
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How about Kingy concuss the smelly rodent in the first two minutes. :thumbsup
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How about Kingy concuss the smelly rodent in the first two minutes. :thumbsup
Thats been the thought process for the last 3 years.....King hasn't been able to near him, let alone take him out.
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How about Kingy concuss the smelly rodent in the first two minutes. :thumbsup
Thats been the thought process for the last 3 years.....King hasn't been able to near him, let alone take him out.
This time he will because the smelly rodent won't be coming back on.
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Once again last night we got smashed by the small forward syndrome.
Next week Milne will take over from that finger pointing ugly stuff-ker in Betts.
Newman was great last night but cant contain that small man. Not quick enough!! We seriously need to find someone for this role.
Any suggestions who that may be and i dont think its Farmer.
matty white might play back next week, with Jake King taking over Whites role from last night, defensive forward
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I fear white kicking is not good enough to be in the backline alot.