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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: blaisee on August 22, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
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Pretty important.
Probably now gives us a guarantee of either Atley or Gaff
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i know...was really happy with brisbane's win today.
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I guess its a good thing. I'm not going to try and find it but I remember reading a post by someone on another site about a year ago going through all the players taken with "pick 6" over the years - and they all ended up being pretty average. At least I think it was pick 6 - I'm going to look pretty dumb otherwise. :D
Obviously I'd rather pick 6 than 8 - but it doesn't always mean much. It's one of those funny picks just after all the "elite" players get taken - but we should get a decent player.
Given GC has taken all the prime 17 year olds it's probably closer to pick 12 in real terms.
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well it was gary rohan last year, wouldnt mind someone of his class
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Well done Brisbane you bunch of recycled champs
Long way from finals footy this year, talking of this how did our ex-spud Raines, is he getting a game
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I guess its a good thing. I'm not going to try and find it but I remember reading a post by someone on another site about a year ago going through all the players taken with "pick 6" over the years - and they all ended up being pretty average. At least I think it was pick 6 - I'm going to look pretty dumb otherwise. :D
Obviously I'd rather pick 6 than 8 - but it doesn't always mean much. It's one of those funny picks just after all the "elite" players get taken - but we should get a decent player.
Given GC has taken all the prime 17 year olds it's probably closer to pick 12 in real terms.
It was on big footy and from memory the poster conveniently left out a couple of picks, but it still wasn't a good record. It's just one of those anomalies that happen every now and then.
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Brisbanes win is helpful to us in the 2nd round of the draft where even 1 or 2 spots can make a massive difference.
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I rate Atley a little bit better than Gaff, both really good players.
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Given what Hardwick said earlier in the year I'd say they will take the running player with the best skills, whomever that is.
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Given GC has taken all the prime 17 year olds it's probably closer to pick 12 in real terms.
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you reckon 6 17y/o's would have gone top 12?
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AFL Prospectus - Potential Top 25
Shaun Atley - 186cm, 81kg - Midfielder Murray Bushrangers
Atley is a lively midfielder who is also comfortable playing down back. He represented Vic Country at the 2008 Under-16 Championships, playing three matches and averaging 17 disposals, four inside 50s and three clearances. In 2009 he played 11 matches for the Murray Bushrangers, averaging 20 disposals and an elite nine contested possessions per game which included four loose ball - gets per match ranked seventh of the players to have played 5 or more games.
Andrew Gaff 180cm, 75kg Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers
Following on from his impressive 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in which he averaged 20 disposals for Vic Metro, Gaff played 6 matches for Oakleigh in the TAC Cup in 2009 between school football and NAB AFL Under-18 Championship commitments and was one of the leading contributors. Playing in the midfield, he averaged 26 disposals, including 17 kicks per match, along with 11 contested possessions, 15 uncontested, and six inside 50s. For Vic Metro his performances were also outstanding, averaging 25 disposals, 20 uncontested possessions and five inside 50s per match from his four matches.
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On figures alone Gaff looks the pick of the two.
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On figures alone Gaff looks the pick of the two.
I prefer Atley to Gaff! Seen them both, Atley has more potential development and is alot quicker.
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On figures alone Gaff looks the pick of the two.
I prefer Atley to Gaff! Seen them both, Atley has more potential development and is alot quicker.
taller, also.
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Be interested to see there difference in the Draft Combine for:
Speed, Agility and Kicking.
All I'd bet that Atley has Gaff's measure but thats only from Championship form and the bases Atley is a State Rep in 100m hurdles.
Gaff remind me a bit of a defensive Angus Monfries, in the way he moves. Left footer, got alot of handball receives in D50. Bit like how Gibbs gets his possies.
Atley played midfield and got a a balanced amount of contested and uncontested ball. Good good speed and was generally more efficient than Gaff in my opinion.
Atley is bigger in height and size.
Gaff looks to have that footy smarts of knowing where to be to get the, where as Atley didn't display that as much.
Atley for mine, but would be happy with Gaff cause I think Atley will be taken by the Eagles.
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Of course it all changes if the Sam Day rumours of wanting to play only in Melbourne or Adelaide are true. That being the case, Day would be available 1st to ourselves in which case, we call out his number as fast as possible. Our development team has shown that under Hardwicks leadership we can develop players and this guy would be a perfect addition to Jack Riewoldt and Ben Griffiths up forward.
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Sam Day 196cm, 80kg Key Forward Sturt
Day has played high-level basketball and is also an outstanding baseballer. He is athletic, has strong hands, competes well and played 6 matches for Sturt Under-18s in 2009 as a key forward and ruckman. From those appearances he scored 9 goals and averaged 11 disposals and 10 hit-outs per match. For South Australia at the NAB AFL Under-18s Championships, he racked up 37 disposals in 4 matches at an elite efficiency of 87%.
David Swallow 183cm, 78kg Midfielder East Fremantle
GC17 has already secured Swallow as one of its future draft picks which will see him join the club 12 months before the 2010 AFL Draft. He is a hard running half back/ midfielder who has averaged 22 disposals per match across his junior career. In 2008 he represented Western Australia at the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships and in 2009 he played at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, averaging 21 disposals, eight contested possessions and four clearances from five matches. Swallow tied for the Larke Medal as the Division 1 B&F player in the championships and he was selected on a half back flank the Under-18 All-Australian team. In the WAFL he made his debut at league level for East Fremantle in Round 16, playing four matches at an average of 20 disposals and kicking a total of five goals.
Harley Bennell 184cm, 71kg - Utility Peel Thunder
Bennell is a creative, outside player whose run and quick hands bring teammates into the game. He played 22 WAFL Colts games in 2009 including the grand final loss to Claremont. He averaged 18 disposals and 3 marks per game, kicking a total of 33 goals. His most influential match was against East Fremantle in Round 12 when he amassed 23 disposals, took 10 marks and scored 4 goals. In his league debut in Round 23 he had 17 disposals and kicked 2 goals. Averaged 146 Super Coach points in the 2009 WAFL Colts final series
Andrew Gaff 180cm, 75kg Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers
Following on from his impressive 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in which he averaged 20 disposals for Vic Metro, Gaff played 6 matches for Oakleigh in the TAC Cup in 2009 between school football and NAB AFL Under-18 Championship commitments and was one of the leading contributors. Playing in the midfield, he averaged 26 disposals, including 17 kicks per match, along with 11 contested possessions, 15 uncontested, and six inside 50s. For Vic Metro his performances were also outstanding, averaging 25 disposals, 20 uncontested possessions and five inside 50s per match from his four matches.
Jack Darling 190cm, 86kg General Forward West Perth
Darling is a tall forward with terrific speed and is strong overhead highlighted by his average of more than two contested marks per game in 19 matches Champion Data has covered. IN 2008 he averaged 18 disposals, 8 marks and seven inside 50s for Western Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships. These figures included an outstanding performance against South Australia in which he had 19 disposals at an efficiency of 88%, nine marks including seven contested, eight tackles, seven inside 50s, 4 goals and 4 goal assists to accumulate a whopping 308 Champion Data points the most ever recorded in any game. At the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, although undersized, he played centre half forward and averaged 13 disposals and five marks, while kicking 14 goals and assisting in another 15 scoring shots. He was subsequently selected at centre half forward in the under-18 All-Australian team. At just 17 years of age Darling made his debut at WAFL League level in Round 17, playing 6 matches at an average of 10 disposals, three marks and 2 goals per game.
Shaun Atley - 186cm, 81kg - Midfielder Murray Bushrangers
Atley is a lively midfielder who is also comfortable playing down back. He represented Vic Country at the 2008 Under-16 Championships, playing three matches and averaging 17 disposals, four inside 50s and three clearances. In 2009 he played 11 matches for the Murray Bushrangers, averaging 20 disposals and an elite nine contested possessions per game which included four loose ball - gets per match ranked seventh of the players to have played 5 or more games.
Daniel Gorringe 197cm, 86kg Ruck Norwood
Gorringe played 18 matches for Norwood under-18s in 2009, averaging 12 disposals, three marks and 29 hit-outs per match to be the leading ruckman in the competition. He also had 20 clearances for the season and made his debut at league level in Round 19 where he played 2 matches, racking up 10 disposals and 23 hit-outs.
Jared Polec 184cm, 70kg Utility Woodville West Torrens
Polec played for South Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships where he played across half back and averaged 7 disposals at an efficiency of 84% in three matches. IN 2009 he had a consistent season playing across half forward in nine under-18, two reserves, and six league matches for the Eagles in the SANFL. At under-18 level he averaged 19 disposals, four inside 50s and two goals per match, while at league level, he made his debut and held his place in the side for the rest of the season to average 10 disposals and four marks per match, scoring a total of nine goals.
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Ben Jacobs, Josh Caddy and Luke Palmer will be up there as well. Swallow signed with GC already last year and most likely Bennell and Day will make up the Suns top 3 picks.
Brisbane did us a massive favour yesterday. Now we all can turn up next week with pick 6 in the bag. It must be a first our crap % actually advantaged us.
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I rate Atley a little bit better than Gaff, both really good players.
What type of player is Atley ?
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Medium / tall midfielder. Very good at everything, bad at nothing, excellent at nothing.
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Nick Dal Santo mould I reckon.
Danog hit the nail on the head. Just a very good all rounder footballer. Top 10 draft pick skills and has no defiencies in his game. Hasn't got any stand out asset maybe his acceleration?
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From what i'm reading on Darling, could he slide to the 20's or 30's?
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From what i'm reading on Darling, could he slide to the 20's or 30's?
Doubt it, would definitely take a chance with our 2nd rounder if he did
Wouldn't be surprised if he's "tanking" and gets picked up by West Coast with Pick 4
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Yeah Infamy I reckon spoon coast will take Darling at 4 anyway, they've taken a heap of mids early in the last few drafts, at least that is my impression, plus it will allow them to push LeCras in there too.
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The AFL site's top 25
1. GC ..... David Swallow (19 November 1992, 186cm, 83kg, Western Australia)
2. GC ..... Harley Bennell (2 October 1992, 180cm, 70kg, Western Australia)
3. GC ..... Sam Day (6 September 1992, 195cm, 90kg, South Australia)
4. WCE ... Jack Darling (16 June 1992, 190cm, 86kg, Western Australia)
5. GC ..... Andrew Gaff (16 June 1992, 183cm, 78kg, Vic Metro)
6. Rich .... Daniel Gorringe (2 June 1992, 198cm, 85kg, South Australia)
7. GC ...... Jared Polec (12 October 1992, 188cm, 77kg, South Australia)
8. Ess ..... Scott Lycett (26 September 1992, 202cm, 95kg, South Australia)
9. GC ...... Shaun Atley (13 September 1992, 187cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
10. Bris .... Brodie Smith (14 January 1992, 188cm, 79kg, South Australia)
11. GC ..... Kieran Harper (5 June 1992, 187cm, 78kg, Vic Metro)
12. Adel ... Tom Lynch (31 October 1992, 196cm, 86kg, Vic Country)
13. GC ..... Reece Conca (12 August 1992, 179cm, 70kg, Western Australia)
14. Melb ... Ben Jacobs (9 January 1992, 186cm, 82kg, Vic Metro)
15. GC ...... Luke Parker (25 October 1992, 182cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
16. Port .... Jed Lamb (19 October 1992, 181cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
17. North ... Patrick McCarthy (11 March 1992, 194cm, 79kg, South Australia
18. Carl ..... Josh Caddy (28 September 1992, 186cm, 81kg, Vic Metro)
19. Haw ..... Sebastian Tape (6 August 1992, 189cm, 78kg, South Australia)
20. Freo ..... Pat Karnezis (23 April 1992, 191cm, 77kg, Vic Metro)
21. Syd ...... Billie Smedts (8 June 1992, 187cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
22. WB ....... Lucas Cook (3 March 1992, 194cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
23. St K ..... Viv Michie (23 February 1992, 185cm, 77kg, Vic Metro)
24. Geel ..... Mitch Hallahan (23 August 1992, 182cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
25. Coll ...... Dion Prestia (12 October 1992, 175cm, 81kg, Vic Metro)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101090/default.aspx
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Any chance Brodie Smith could drop to the 2nd round and be there at our 2nd pick?
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our first pick is #6
anyone know what pur 2nd, 3rd, 4th national draft picks are?
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Dean MacDonald will be in the top 25 & so will Hempell which l'm surprised no-one has mentioned
AFL clubs are swarming over them ;)
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Hoping for Day/Atley then Tom Lynch but I doubt he'll slip to our 2nd pick
Another first rounder would be nice
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So the AFLthink we need a ruckman instead of an outside midfielder....
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It's not a Phantom Draft, just a list of the Top 25
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this is assuming we win by less than 200 points :thumbsup
100 still on for Jack
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Emma Quayle's view on this year's draft strength....
"If the Gold Coast didn't exist this would probably be the best draft pool I could think of."
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Emma Quayle's view on this year's draft strength....
"If the Gold Coast didn't exist this would probably be the best draft pool I could think of."
I wonder if she means with or without the 17 year olds
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Brisbanes win is helpful to us in the 2nd round of the draft where even 1 or 2 spots can make a massive difference.
Given that West Coast have a priority pick in the 2nd round, would any of the tanking proponents like to nominate the 2 games we won this year that were meaningless and have cost us a 2nd round priority pick?
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Damn Martin and his damn smarmy fend offs, and Collins and his game saving goals against Sydney, trade em both or delist. Delist Jack as well for winning the bloody coleman and being a show pony.
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Brisbanes win is helpful to us in the 2nd round of the draft where even 1 or 2 spots can make a massive difference.
Given that West Coast have a priority pick in the 2nd round, would any of the tanking proponents like to nominate the 2 games we won this year that were meaningless and have cost us a 2nd round priority pick?
Now Smoke... dont be stupid. This year there were no meaningless wins. No wins where a Bowden was conceding behinds to waste time, No wins where winning was gonna cost us big time in terms of draft position, No wins where our elder statesmen had to get us over the line. All our wins this year were credible wins, important wins, wins coming of the back of a group of youngsters, even some of the losses like the last round defeat had some important lessons, our kids lost, but Hardwick has taught them to not give up. Now when we are 10 goals behind, we dont think that we will lose by 20 goals, rather its can we make up the difference, is there a way to win. 2010 has been a good year Smoke.
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Brisbanes win is helpful to us in the 2nd round of the draft where even 1 or 2 spots can make a massive difference.
Given that West Coast have a priority pick in the 2nd round, would any of the tanking proponents like to nominate the 2 games we won this year that were meaningless and have cost us a 2nd round priority pick?
Now Smoke... dont be stupid. This year there were no meaningless wins. No wins where a Bowden was conceding behinds to waste time, No wins where winning was gonna cost us big time in terms of draft position, No wins where our elder statesmen had to get us over the line. All our wins this year were credible wins, important wins, wins coming of the back of a group of youngsters, even some of the losses like the last round defeat had some important lessons, our kids lost, but Hardwick has taught them to not give up. Now when we are 10 goals behind, we dont think that we will lose by 20 goals, rather its can we make up the difference, is there a way to win. 2010 has been a good year Smoke.
Good post this
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Ramps I am with you there...
But I think it is horses for courses...I thought the win over melbourne last year was meaningless...it didnt mean a lot to the playing list...crickey...13 changes to the list meant one third of the list that enjoyed that win aint with us now...and did Jordie say...hey I deserve a game in 2010 because I won us the game against the Dees....Nope...I believe that we would have been better off getting picks 3 (melbourne would have found a way to lose to Freo and still get picks 1 and 2)...and 19 and 20 and hence picked up Ben Griffiths and Ryan Bastinac if you wanted to or some other player at pick 20...hell it would have made up for giving up pick 19 back in 2007 which turned out to be callum ward..
This year..the 6 wins meant alot to the playing list...it gave the kids belief...it broke the "i'm sick of losing" mentality which was said to me by one of the players..the kids started to believe in the game plan..they know if they execute, then they can be competitive...that they can be winners...I dont begrudge one of the 6 wins this year...
What would have been nice though would have been to have a win over a Vic team...lets face it...not many adelaide or freo supporters walking around that we can stir...hehe
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Brisbanes win is helpful to us in the 2nd round of the draft where even 1 or 2 spots can make a massive difference.
Given that West Coast have a priority pick in the 2nd round, would any of the tanking proponents like to nominate the 2 games we won this year that were meaningless and have cost us a 2nd round priority pick?
Now Smoke... dont be stupid. This year there were no meaningless wins. No wins where a Bowden was conceding behinds to waste time, No wins where winning was gonna cost us big time in terms of draft position, No wins where our elder statesmen had to get us over the line. All our wins this year were credible wins, important wins, wins coming of the back of a group of youngsters, even some of the losses like the last round defeat had some important lessons, our kids lost, but Hardwick has taught them to not give up. Now when we are 10 goals behind, we dont think that we will lose by 20 goals, rather its can we make up the difference, is there a way to win. 2010 has been a good year Smoke.
So let me get this right - 2 wins that cost us the difference in pick 4 to pick 6 ("massive difference" in the second round so I assume it is a HUGE difference in the first round) plus 1 extra pick early in the second round (a massive difference pick) are outweighed by the value in youngsters trying and learning to win in every game they play? Mmmm, funny theory that.
And yes Ramps, 2010 has been a good year, a very good year all things considered. :thumbsup :gotigers
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Ramps I am with you there...
But I think it is horses for courses...I thought the win over melbourne last year was meaningless...it didnt mean a lot to the playing list...crickey...13 changes to the list meant one third of the list that enjoyed that win aint with us now...and did Jordie say...hey I deserve a game in 2010 because I won us the game against the Dees....Nope...I believe that we would have been better off getting picks 3 (melbourne would have found a way to lose to Freo and still get picks 1 and 2)...and 19 and 20 and hence picked up Ben Griffiths and Ryan Bastinac if you wanted to or some other player at pick 20...hell it would have made up for giving up pick 19 back in 2007 which turned out to be callum ward..
This year..the 6 wins meant alot to the playing list...it gave the kids belief...it broke the "i'm sick of losing" mentality which was said to me by one of the players..the kids started to believe in the game plan..they know if they execute, then they can be competitive...that they can be winners...I dont begrudge one of the 6 wins this year...
What would have been nice though would have been to have a win over a Vic team...lets face it...not many adelaide or freo supporters walking around that we can stir...hehe
But Con, the Melbourne win made no difference to our picks, not squat and there were only 2 players that played in that game that weren't on our list this year. So if it made no difference to our picks and 20 of the 22 players are still on our list and Ramps theory that youngsters not giving up and playing to win is beneficial then surely I can mount a strong case for that win to be in fact credible and not meaningless?
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Smokey...on one of the footy shows last night...might have been classifieds..they put up Nort Melbourne's youngsters with the pick they were selected...there were only a couple on the list that were a single digit....Liam Anthony was taken at pick 43 (i think) being after the pick we gave Port for Adam Thomson...
This year, look at Astbury...taken in the 30s from memory..good footballer and a great debut season by all accounts...
You dont need to tank like Carlton to develop a good list...Aside from 2009 when melbourne wanted scully and trengrove they didnt tank...but built up their list with astute picks...just like north...
But if you want to keep getting flogged each week...and develop the mindset that we are losers...just to get a higher pick...then go for it...I dont buy it though...this year the wins meant something to the group...remember it was a young group we fielded week in week out
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Smokey...on one of the footy shows last night...might have been classifieds..they put up Nort Melbourne's youngsters with the pick they were selected...there were only a couple on the list that were a single digit....Liam Anthony was taken at pick 43 (i think) being after the pick we gave Port for Adam Thomson...
This year, look at Astbury...taken in the 30s from memory..good footballer and a great debut season by all accounts...
You dont need to tank like Carlton to develop a good list...Aside from 2009 when melbourne wanted scully and trengrove they didnt tank...but built up their list with astute picks...just like north...
But if you want to keep getting flogged each week...and develop the mindset that we are losers...just to get a higher pick...then go for it...I dont buy it though...this year the wins meant something to the group...remember it was a young group we fielded week in week out
So you're saying that the number of the pick doesn't matter, it's who you pick and how you develop them?
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Smokey...obviously the higher the pick the better...but what I am saying...is you need to look at it wholistically...in 09...i thought the wins were meaningless...we had a list that was to be culled...yes only 2 are gone from the melbourne win (brown and patto)...but likely to be at least another 3 gone from that side this year (cousins, mcmahon, polo) also from that team...kingy and morton were gone but reinvented themselves...
I am firmly of the belief that we havent developed the cattle in past years...either cos our facilities were second rate or the development coaches either didnt exist or werent good enough...
Many people are hailing the turnaround in the careers of Edwards, King, Morton, Tuck and the breakout year of Riewoldt (which prob had more to do with Richo retiring and a coming of age)....it has to be the development coaches we have this year...take Riew for example...his kicking for goal has improved out of sight...same player..same endeavour...but why have the technical flaws in his kicking been largely erradicated...
When was the last time that 4 players (leave Riew out) made such big improvements in their games in one season at Tigerland?
Add to all of that a team spirit...in a couple of games late this year we got crunched...carlton and pies...damnit...but the fightback against Syd for the win and Port on the weekend reveals a belief...you cant buy that belief...
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Smokey...obviously the higher the pick the better...but what I am saying...is you need to look at it wholistically...in 09...i thought the wins were meaningless...we had a list that was to be culled...yes only 2 are gone from the melbourne win (brown and patto)...but likely to be at least another 3 gone from that side this year (cousins, mcmahon, polo) also from that team...kingy and morton were gone but reinvented themselves...
I am firmly of the belief that we havent developed the cattle in past years...either cos our facilities were second rate or the development coaches either didnt exist or werent good enough...
Many people are hailing the turnaround in the careers of Edwards, King, Morton, Tuck and the breakout year of Riewoldt (which prob had more to do with Richo retiring and a coming of age)....it has to be the development coaches we have this year...take Riew for example...his kicking for goal has improved out of sight...same player..same endeavour...but why have the technical flaws in his kicking been largely erradicated...
When was the last time that 4 players (leave Riew out) made such big improvements in their games in one season at Tigerland?
Add to all of that a team spirit...in a couple of games late this year we got crunched...carlton and pies...damnit...but the fightback against Syd for the win and Port on the weekend reveals a belief...you cant buy that belief...
But how is the win meaningless if the draft picks weren't affected and 20 out of the 22 learnt something about winning? Or do you mean that every win was meaningless in '09?
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Smokey...correct me if I am wrong but draft picks were affected....we lost a priority pick after round 1
We ended the season on 5.5 wins by beating melbourne...4.5 wins would have got us a priority pick after round 1 and possibly a Ryan Bastinac...
The win was meaningless in 09...and even more meaningless in 10 given the huge change to the list - as you know mcmahon the matchwinner is likely to be delisted, cousins is retired polo is likely to be delisted...so what was that win for?
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Smokey...correct me if I am wrong but draft picks were affected....we lost a priority pick after round 1
We ended the season on 5.5 wins by beating melbourne...4.5 wins would have got us a priority pick after round 1 and possibly a Ryan Bastinac...
The win was meaningless in 09...and even more meaningless in 10 given the huge change to the list - as you know mcmahon the matchwinner is likely to be delisted, cousins is retired polo is likely to be delisted...so what was that win for?
Wrong, it's 4 wins. Nothing more.
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Smokey...correct me if I am wrong but draft picks were affected....we lost a priority pick after round 1
We ended the season on 5.5 wins by beating melbourne...4.5 wins would have got us a priority pick after round 1 and possibly a Ryan Bastinac...
The win was meaningless in 09...and even more meaningless in 10 given the huge change to the list - as you know mcmahon the matchwinner is likely to be delisted, cousins is retired polo is likely to be delisted...so what was that win for?
Wrong, it's 4 wins. Nothing more.
Yep, sorry Con, you're wrong
We lost the PP by beating Essendon
The only thing beating Melbourne did was allow them to beat Freo and still get 1 & 2
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Smokey...on one of the footy shows last night...might have been classifieds..they put up Nort Melbourne's youngsters with the pick they were selected...there were only a couple on the list that were a single digit....Liam Anthony was taken at pick 43 (i think) being after the pick we gave Port for Adam Thomson...
This year, look at Astbury...taken in the 30s from memory..good footballer and a great debut season by all accounts...
You dont need to tank like Carlton to develop a good list...Aside from 2009 when melbourne wanted scully and trengrove they didnt tank...but built up their list with astute picks...just like north...
But if you want to keep getting flogged each week...and develop the mindset that we are losers...just to get a higher pick...then go for it...I dont buy it though...this year the wins meant something to the group...remember it was a young group we fielded week in week out
:lol at con trying to convince smokey you don't need to tank ;D
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Smokey...on one of the footy shows last night...might have been classifieds..they put up Nort Melbourne's youngsters with the pick they were selected...there were only a couple on the list that were a single digit....Liam Anthony was taken at pick 43 (i think) being after the pick we gave Port for Adam Thomson...
This year, look at Astbury...taken in the 30s from memory..good footballer and a great debut season by all accounts...
You dont need to tank like Carlton to develop a good list...Aside from 2009 when melbourne wanted scully and trengrove they didnt tank...but built up their list with astute picks...just like north...
But if you want to keep getting flogged each week...and develop the mindset that we are losers...just to get a higher pick...then go for it...I dont buy it though...this year the wins meant something to the group...remember it was a young group we fielded week in week out
Good heavens...don't...mind..full...stops....?
:cheers :rollin
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...I thought the win over melbourne last year was meaningless...it didnt mean a lot to the playing list...crickey...13 changes to the list meant one third of the list that enjoyed that win aint with us now...and did Jordie say...hey I deserve a game in 2010 because I won us the game against the Dees....Nope...I believe that we would have been better off getting picks 3 (melbourne would have found a way to lose to Freo and still get picks 1 and 2)...and 19 and 20 and hence picked up Ben Griffiths and Ryan Bastinac
This is a loop tape going around again.
If we'd lost against Melbourne we still wouldn't have had pick 20 because we already had too many points to be eligible for the priority pick.
The win was a ripper and cost us absolutely nothing except the enjoyment of a win.
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Agreed, Forbesy. :thumbsup
Hope Josh Green is around for our 3rd pick.
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The win was a ripper and cost us absolutely nothing except the enjoyment of a win.
Yep, exactly what I was dragging out FF. You can't pick and choose what win is credible and what win is meaningless, regardless of where you are in your football development cycle. Every single player and every single coach learns something from every single win, loss or draw and if they don't it's time to depart. But you learn nothing except bad habits from trying to manipulate the outcomes of games for a perceived benefit that some tanking theorists swing between seeing as important to not important. Just like deciding what win is credible and what win is meaningless when viewed in the hindsight of season's end. I just couldn't help myself when it was stated that a slight difference in the order of a 2nd round pick was a "massive difference" yet any of 2 wins this year that cost us not only a few places in the order this year but a whole new pick high up in that order as well, were not viewed as meaningless. Suddenly, because it suited the emotion generated by our improvement across so many areas as this season unfolded, every win became "credible" and the picks became less relevant! I was bemused at how the arguments for tanking had suddenly become clouded when it suited. ;)
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I am sad now. I am going to dress up in my samwise outfit and read my klingon dictionary.
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I am sad now. I am going to dress up in my samwise outfit and read my klingon dictionary.
Sorry, babe. I'll come over with my LOTR sword to cheer you up. :shh :lol
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you two pedos need to get your heads read
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What your club wants
By Paul Daffey
Wed 01 September, 2010
Richmond (pick 6)
Needs: For all their poor performances on the field in the past two years, the Tigers have been kicking goals in their list management. There are no particular holes. Theyll simply go for the best players available.
Possibilities: Maybe they could consider a back-up ruckman for their first pick such as South Australian Daniel Gorringe at No.6. Hard-running, gutsy midfielder Shaun Atley, from the Murray Bushrangers, would be a decent choice at No.6. Maybe even Kieran Harper of the Eastern Ranges could go that high on the strength of one cracking game at the under-18 championships.
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I keep hearing Atley's name. He might be the one!
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you two pedos need to get your heads read
:cuddles
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Next time I drop acid I'm just gonna log in and stare at your avatar for a while Davey :eyebrow
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Brodie Smith 187cm, 73kg Midfielder Woodville West Torrens
Smith can play across half back and midfield. He had a solid 2009 season, playing 17 SANFL matches including five at league level, along with five matches at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships where he averaged 13 disposals per match. For the Eagles Under-18s he averaged 27 disposals and six inside 50s across seven matches and opened the season with a slashing 36 disposals and 4 goals against Central Districts. For the league team he tallied 32 disposals from his five appearances.
Sam Day 196cm, 80kg Key Forward Sturt
Day has played high-level basketball and is also an outstanding baseballer. He is athletic, has strong hands, competes well and played 6 matches for Sturt Under-18s in 2009 as a key forward and ruckman. From those appearances he scored 9 goals and averaged 11 disposals and 10 hit-outs per match. For South Australia at the NAB AFL Under-18s Championships, he racked up 37 disposals in 4 matches at an elite efficiency of 87%.
David Swallow 183cm, 78kg Midfielder East Fremantle
GC17 has already secured Swallow as one of its future draft picks which will see him join the club 12 months before the 2010 AFL Draft. He is a hard running half back/ midfielder who has averaged 22 disposals per match across his junior career. In 2008 he represented Western Australia at the NAB AFL Under-16 Championships and in 2009 he played at the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, averaging 21 disposals, eight contested possessions and four clearances from five matches. Swallow tied for the Larke Medal as the Division 1 B&F player in the championships and he was selected on a half back flank the Under-18 All-Australian team. In the WAFL he made his debut at league level for East Fremantle in Round 16, playing four matches at an average of 20 disposals and kicking a total of five goals.
Harley Bennell 184cm, 71kg - Utility Peel Thunder
Bennell is a creative, outside player whose run and quick hands bring teammates into the game. He played 22 WAFL Colts games in 2009 including the grand final loss to Claremont. He averaged 18 disposals and 3 marks per game, kicking a total of 33 goals. His most influential match was against East Fremantle in Round 12 when he amassed 23 disposals, took 10 marks and scored 4 goals. In his league debut in Round 23 he had 17 disposals and kicked 2 goals. Averaged 146 Super Coach points in the 2009 WAFL Colts final series
Andrew Gaff 180cm, 75kg Midfielder Oakleigh Chargers
Following on from his impressive 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships in which he averaged 20 disposals for Vic Metro, Gaff played 6 matches for Oakleigh in the TAC Cup in 2009 between school football and NAB AFL Under-18 Championship commitments and was one of the leading contributors. Playing in the midfield, he averaged 26 disposals, including 17 kicks per match, along with 11 contested possessions, 15 uncontested, and six inside 50s. For Vic Metro his performances were also outstanding, averaging 25 disposals, 20 uncontested possessions and five inside 50s per match from his four matches.
Jack Darling 190cm, 86kg General Forward West Perth
Darling is a tall forward with terrific speed and is strong overhead highlighted by his average of more than two contested marks per game in 19 matches Champion Data has covered. IN 2008 he averaged 18 disposals, 8 marks and seven inside 50s for Western Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships. These figures included an outstanding performance against South Australia in which he had 19 disposals at an efficiency of 88%, nine marks including seven contested, eight tackles, seven inside 50s, 4 goals and 4 goal assists to accumulate a whopping 308 Champion Data points the most ever recorded in any game. At the 2009 NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, although undersized, he played centre half forward and averaged 13 disposals and five marks, while kicking 14 goals and assisting in another 15 scoring shots. He was subsequently selected at centre half forward in the under-18 All-Australian team. At just 17 years of age Darling made his debut at WAFL League level in Round 17, playing 6 matches at an average of 10 disposals, three marks and 2 goals per game.
Shaun Atley - 186cm, 81kg - Midfielder Murray Bushrangers
Atley is a lively midfielder who is also comfortable playing down back. He represented Vic Country at the 2008 Under-16 Championships, playing three matches and averaging 17 disposals, four inside 50s and three clearances. In 2009 he played 11 matches for the Murray Bushrangers, averaging 20 disposals and an elite nine contested possessions per game which included four loose ball - gets per match ranked seventh of the players to have played 5 or more games.
Daniel Gorringe 197cm, 86kg Ruck Norwood
Gorringe played 18 matches for Norwood under-18s in 2009, averaging 12 disposals, three marks and 29 hit-outs per match to be the leading ruckman in the competition. He also had 20 clearances for the season and made his debut at league level in Round 19 where he played 2 matches, racking up 10 disposals and 23 hit-outs.
Jared Polec 184cm, 70kg Utility Woodville West Torrens
Polec played for South Australia at the 2008 NAB AFL Under-16 Championships where he played across half back and averaged 7 disposals at an efficiency of 84% in three matches. IN 2009 he had a consistent season playing across half forward in nine under-18, two reserves, and six league matches for the Eagles in the SANFL. At under-18 level he averaged 19 disposals, four inside 50s and two goals per match, while at league level, he made his debut and held his place in the side for the rest of the season to average 10 disposals and four marks per match, scoring a total of nine goals.
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I've been on Atley since day 1.
I'll be over the moon if we grab him.
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would rather a victorian
atley sounds good
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Smokey...I stand corrected...the win over melbourne was fantastic...it had no bearing on the draft...as others have said we lost that win when we beat essendon.
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Smokey...I stand corrected...the win over melbourne was fantastic...it had no bearing on the draft...as others have said we lost that win when we beat essendon.
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All good Con. As long as the end result is a flag then it's not really going to matter who was right or wrong - we will all be too busy celebrating together!! :gotigers
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HIGHLY-touted draft prospect Jack Darling is recovering in a Perth hospital after being the victim of an unprovoked attack on the weekend.
Darling, who is likely to feature anywhere from the first through to the third round of Novembers NAB AFL Draft, suffered bruising to his brain and a fracture to his skull after being attacked leaving a Subiaco hotel on Sunday night.
Police are investigating the incident which left the key forward in a hospital bed with his family by his side.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101835/default.aspx
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HIGHLY-touted draft prospect Jack Darling is recovering in a Perth hospital after being the victim of an unprovoked attack on the weekend.
Darling, who is likely to feature anywhere from the first through to the third round of Novembers NAB AFL Draft, suffered bruising to his brain and a fracture to his skull after being attacked leaving a Subiaco hotel on Sunday night.
Police are investigating the incident which left the key forward in a hospital bed with his family by his side.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101835/default.aspx
Geez there are some sickos out there. Poor kid. Hopefully he's alright and this doesn't affect his footy.
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Pg 44 of the Herald-Sun today...
GOLD Coast has helped sway gun tall Sam Day to put football ahead of a sports career in the US.
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So no surprise GC will select Swallow (already signed), Bennell and Day with their first 3 picks.
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Charger Andrew Gaff running hot
September 6, 2010
OAKLEIGH Chargers midfielder Andrew Gaff is considered a top-10 draft prospect after racking up 41 disposals in the thrilling two-point win over Sandringham Dragons in an elimination final at Princes Park yesterday.
Gaff, who is part of the AIS squad and plays school football for Carey Grammar, has had limited matches for the Chargers this season but his skills have made him one of the most wanted in the draft lead-up.
"He just works hard. There's no special tricks to his game," Chargers coach Steve Grace said. "The only trick is that his work rate is phenomenal so he's had 41 possessions and he's as hot as they can come."
Gippsland Power midfielder Dyson Heppell and Sandringham Dragons speedster Jackson Sketcher were last night named joint winners of the Morrish Medal in the TAC Cup.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/charger-gaff-running-hot-20100905-14w2c.html
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Honestly who are we likely to get ? i know we cant predict the exact person but we keep talking about Day and top 4 picks which were not going t get. So can some one help me out here and post somthing on a relistic pick for us?
That would be much appreciated cause we dont get much footy news in sydney :(
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Honestly who are we likely to get ? i know we cant predict the exact person but we keep talking about Day and top 4 picks which were not going t get. So can some one help me out here and post somthing on a relistic pick for us?
That would be much appreciated cause we dont get much footy news in sydney :(
The AFL site's top 25
1. GC ..... David Swallow (19 November 1992, 186cm, 83kg, Western Australia)
2. GC ..... Harley Bennell (2 October 1992, 180cm, 70kg, Western Australia)
3. GC ..... Sam Day (6 September 1992, 195cm, 90kg, South Australia)
4. WCE ... Jack Darling (16 June 1992, 190cm, 86kg, Western Australia)
5. GC ..... Andrew Gaff (16 June 1992, 183cm, 78kg, Vic Metro)
6. Rich .... Daniel Gorringe (2 June 1992, 198cm, 85kg, South Australia)
7. GC ...... Jared Polec (12 October 1992, 188cm, 77kg, South Australia)
8. Ess ..... Scott Lycett (26 September 1992, 202cm, 95kg, South Australia)
9. GC ...... Shaun Atley (13 September 1992, 187cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
10. Bris .... Brodie Smith (14 January 1992, 188cm, 79kg, South Australia)
11. GC ..... Kieran Harper (5 June 1992, 187cm, 78kg, Vic Metro)
12. Adel ... Tom Lynch (31 October 1992, 196cm, 86kg, Vic Country)
13. GC ..... Reece Conca (12 August 1992, 179cm, 70kg, Western Australia)
14. Melb ... Ben Jacobs (9 January 1992, 186cm, 82kg, Vic Metro)
15. GC ...... Luke Parker (25 October 1992, 182cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
16. Port .... Jed Lamb (19 October 1992, 181cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
17. North ... Patrick McCarthy (11 March 1992, 194cm, 79kg, South Australia
18. Carl ..... Josh Caddy (28 September 1992, 186cm, 81kg, Vic Metro)
19. Haw ..... Sebastian Tape (6 August 1992, 189cm, 78kg, South Australia)
20. Freo ..... Pat Karnezis (23 April 1992, 191cm, 77kg, Vic Metro)
21. Syd ...... Billie Smedts (8 June 1992, 187cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
22. WB ....... Lucas Cook (3 March 1992, 194cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
23. St K ..... Viv Michie (23 February 1992, 185cm, 77kg, Vic Metro)
24. Geel ..... Mitch Hallahan (23 August 1992, 182cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
25. Coll ...... Dion Prestia (12 October 1992, 175cm, 81kg, Vic Metro)
this One eyed posted earlier in this thread.
the first 3 names are done and dusted straight to GC. i would say one of Atley or Gaff will be ours.
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Pretty sure it was just a Top 25, not a Phantom draft matching teams to players
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Honestly who are we likely to get ? i know we cant predict the exact person but we keep talking about Day and top 4 picks which were not going t get. So can some one help me out here and post somthing on a relistic pick for us?
That would be much appreciated cause we dont get much footy news in sydney :(
The AFL site's top 25
1. GC ..... David Swallow (19 November 1992, 186cm, 83kg, Western Australia)
2. GC ..... Harley Bennell (2 October 1992, 180cm, 70kg, Western Australia)
3. GC ..... Sam Day (6 September 1992, 195cm, 90kg, South Australia)
4. WCE ... Jack Darling (16 June 1992, 190cm, 86kg, Western Australia)
5. GC ..... Andrew Gaff (16 June 1992, 183cm, 78kg, Vic Metro)
6. Rich .... Daniel Gorringe (2 June 1992, 198cm, 85kg, South Australia)
7. GC ...... Jared Polec (12 October 1992, 188cm, 77kg, South Australia)
8. Ess ..... Scott Lycett (26 September 1992, 202cm, 95kg, South Australia)
9. GC ...... Shaun Atley (13 September 1992, 187cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
10. Bris .... Brodie Smith (14 January 1992, 188cm, 79kg, South Australia)
11. GC ..... Kieran Harper (5 June 1992, 187cm, 78kg, Vic Metro)
12. Adel ... Tom Lynch (31 October 1992, 196cm, 86kg, Vic Country)
13. GC ..... Reece Conca (12 August 1992, 179cm, 70kg, Western Australia)
14. Melb ... Ben Jacobs (9 January 1992, 186cm, 82kg, Vic Metro)
15. GC ...... Luke Parker (25 October 1992, 182cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
16. Port .... Jed Lamb (19 October 1992, 181cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
17. North ... Patrick McCarthy (11 March 1992, 194cm, 79kg, South Australia
18. Carl ..... Josh Caddy (28 September 1992, 186cm, 81kg, Vic Metro)
19. Haw ..... Sebastian Tape (6 August 1992, 189cm, 78kg, South Australia)
20. Freo ..... Pat Karnezis (23 April 1992, 191cm, 77kg, Vic Metro)
21. Syd ...... Billie Smedts (8 June 1992, 187cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
22. WB ....... Lucas Cook (3 March 1992, 194cm, 82kg, Vic Country)
23. St K ..... Viv Michie (23 February 1992, 185cm, 77kg, Vic Metro)
24. Geel ..... Mitch Hallahan (23 August 1992, 182cm, 77kg, Vic Country)
25. Coll ...... Dion Prestia (12 October 1992, 175cm, 81kg, Vic Metro)
this One eyed posted earlier in this thread.
the first 3 names are done and dusted straight to GC. i would say one of Atley or Gaff will be ours.
Well dont we already have a ruck? thursty and vickery? this will probibly sound really dumb of me so dont hang me ... What if we traded pick six for a player we really really need ? do we have a good ruck? maby for a key defender?
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You don't need other people to do it when you have sone such a good job yourself
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Well dont we already have a ruck? thursty and vickery? this will probibly sound really dumb of me so dont hang me ... What if we traded pick six for a player we really really need ? do we have a good ruck? maby for a key defender?
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you confuse me TTID. Thursty is most definitely not a ruckman. perhaps you mean, Gus?
You also ask the same question regarding whether we have a rucmkman twice.
Personally, i think we need one more class midfielder to slip into our engine room. Preferably someone with a bit of toe, but good foot-skills are a must. Then we just have to hope the likes of Griffo, Astbury, Vickery and co. develop in their roles.
Obviously, we can also use our later picks (and hopefully the ones we get from trades) to pick up KPP's. But i just think one more classy mid would put our midfield up with the best in the business in a couple of years.
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You don't need other people to do it when you have sone such a good job yourself
Thats true some times .. but intead of being a dick why dont you be helpful on this fourm because i joined this to be informed and to further my knolwedge of the club becuase i am teh only tiger fan that i nknow of in my area of sydney i can talk to so this fourm is what i got .. s be constructive please :thumbsup
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Well dont we already have a ruck? thursty and vickery? this will probibly sound really dumb of me so dont hang me ... What if we traded pick six for a player we really really need ? do we have a good ruck? maby for a key defender?
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you confuse me TTID. Thursty is most definitely not a ruckman. perhaps you mean, Gus?
You also ask the same question regarding whether we have a rucmkman twice.
Personally, i think we need one more class midfielder to slip into our engine room. Preferably someone with a bit of toe, but good foot-skills are a must. Then we just have to hope the likes of Griffo, Astbury, Vickery and co. develop in their roles.
Obviously, we can also use our later picks (and hopefully the ones we get from trades) to pick up KPP's. But i just think one more classy mid would put our midfield up with the best in the business in a couple of years.
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oh yeh some times i get names wrong sorry ....
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be great if Gaff comes to us!
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be great if Gaff comes to us!
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Have to agree at this early point Torch. I don't profess to have much inside info on the draft choices but I like what I read about his capabilities and especially his contested work. Will fill out our hamburger nicely.
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Gold Coast recruiting manager Scott Clayton said the new club had been watching Gaff develop since last year.
Hes got AFL attributes, hes dangerous around goal and he can also do his bit in the midfield, Clayton said. Hell be one of many that were looking at, but well follow him with interest.
The local football prodigy features highly on AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehans radar.
Andrew is an impressive young man and an excellent role model to all aspiring footballers, Sheehan said. He is a prolific ball winner, a lovely left-foot kick.
Sounds like the goods, could be the cherry on top of the midfield.
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be great if Gaff comes to us!
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Any Videos of him torch ?
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Dyson heppell pick #6?
Won Best player in tac cup, 36 touches in winning final yesterday
Calder coach says he will go top 3...
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Kevin 'Shifter' Sheehan just went through a mock first round draft for the existing clubs. He had Swallow, Bennell, Day and Gorringe going to the Gold Coast. No Gaff either so he must think Gaff at #5 and Gorringe at #7.
For Richmond he chose 196cm key forward Tom Lynch.
1. GC - David Swallow
2. GC - Bennel
3. GC - Day
4. WC - Dyson Heppell ..... 40 possies yesterday in a final
6. Rich - Tom Lynch .... 196cm key forward with endurance of a Nick Riewoldt.
8. Ess - Shaun Atley ... exceptional in traffic (Judd step) and leads tackles.
10. Bris - Jed Lamb .... X-factor, clean hands, natural talent who can play in numerous spots, mid, 44 goals
12. Melb - Jack Darling ... has he reached his ceiling? Works hard, great athlete
14. Adel - Scott Lycett ... 6' 8", played senior footy with Port Magpies, good mark.
16. Port - Josh Caddy .... powerful mid (Joel Selwood like). 4th in clearacnes in Nat Champs from just 3 games.
17. North - Lucas Cook ... soft hands, sets play up.
18. Carl - Reece Conca ... run and carry player, production when went up to senior level.
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt .... classy wingman, reads the play well, skillful both sides, can play HB as well.
20. Freo - Matthew Watson ... 195cm, 98kg. Magnificient kick like a Josh Hunt.
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis ..... clean hands, soccer background.
22. WB - Mitch Wallis ....... (F/S) ..... could be Libba jnr.
23. Geel - Billie Smedts ..... can play 6-8 spots on the ground. Rebounding defender. Good user on the way out.
24. St K - Aaron Young ..... 188cm, can play mid, forward or back. Consistent.
25. Coll - Dion Prestia ..... great game yesterday. Power back (David Rodan like and size wise). Could go higher after yesterday. Two top games in a row in the TAC Cup finals.
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Do we need another forward?????
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Kevin 'Shifter' Sheehan just went through a mock first round draft for the existing clubs. He had Swallow, Bennell, Day and Gorringe going to the Gold Coast. No Gaff either so he must think Gaff at #5 and Gorringe at #7.
For Richmond he chose 196cm key forward Tom Lynch.
1. GC - David Swallow
2. GC - Bennel
3. GC - Day
4. WC - Dyson Heppell ..... 40 possies yesterday in a final
6. Rich - Tom Lynch .... 196cm key forward with endurance of a Nick Riewoldt.
8. Ess - Shaun Atley ... exceptional in traffic (Judd step) and leads tackles.
10. Bris - Jed Lamb .... X-factor, clean hands, natural talent who can play in numerous spots, mid, 44 goals
12. Melb - Jack Darling ... has he reached his ceiling? Works hard, great athlete
14. Adel - Scott Lycett ... 6' 8", played senior footy with Port Magpies, good mark.
16. Port - Josh Caddy .... powerful mid (Joel Selwood like). 4th in clearacnes in Nat Champs from just 3 games.
17. North - Lucas Cook ... soft hands, sets play up.
18. Carl - Reece Conca ... run and carry player, production when went up to senior level.
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt .... classy wingman, reads the play well, skillful both sides, can play HB as well.
20. Freo - Matthew Watson ... 195cm, 98kg. Magnificient kick like a Josh Hunt.
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis ..... clean hands, soccer background.
22. WB - Mitch Wallis ....... (F/S) ..... could be Libba jnr.
23. Geel - Billie Smedts ..... can play 6-8 spots on the ground. Rebounding defender. Good user on the way out.
24. St K - Aaron Young ..... 188cm, can play mid, forward or back. Consistent.
25. Coll - Dion Prestia ..... great game yesterday. Power back (David Rodan like and size wise). Could go higher after yesterday. Two top games in a row in the TAC Cup finals.
Is it just me or dose this keep changing ???
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Kevin 'Shifter' Sheehan just went through a mock first round draft for the existing clubs. He had Swallow, Bennell, Day and Gorringe going to the Gold Coast. No Gaff either so he must think Gaff at #5 and Gorringe at #7.
For Richmond he chose 196cm key forward Tom Lynch.
1. GC - David Swallow
2. GC - Bennel
3. GC - Day
4. WC - Dyson Heppell ..... 40 possies yesterday in a final
6. Rich - Tom Lynch .... 196cm key forward with endurance of a Nick Riewoldt.
8. Ess - Shaun Atley ... exceptional in traffic (Judd step) and leads tackles.
10. Bris - Jed Lamb .... X-factor, clean hands, natural talent who can play in numerous spots, mid, 44 goals
12. Melb - Jack Darling ... has he reached his ceiling? Works hard, great athlete
14. Adel - Scott Lycett ... 6' 8", played senior footy with Port Magpies, good mark.
16. Port - Josh Caddy .... powerful mid (Joel Selwood like). 4th in clearacnes in Nat Champs from just 3 games.
17. North - Lucas Cook ... soft hands, sets play up.
18. Carl - Reece Conca ... run and carry player, production when went up to senior level.
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt .... classy wingman, reads the play well, skillful both sides, can play HB as well.
20. Freo - Matthew Watson ... 195cm, 98kg. Magnificient kick like a Josh Hunt.
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis ..... clean hands, soccer background.
22. WB - Mitch Wallis ....... (F/S) ..... could be Libba jnr.
23. Geel - Billie Smedts ..... can play 6-8 spots on the ground. Rebounding defender. Good user on the way out.
24. St K - Aaron Young ..... 188cm, can play mid, forward or back. Consistent.
25. Coll - Dion Prestia ..... great game yesterday. Power back (David Rodan like and size wise). Could go higher after yesterday. Two top games in a row in the TAC Cup finals.
Is it just me or dose this keep changing ???
Well its all guess work so its going to keep changing up until the day the names are called out.
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This was their mock draft effort last year. It was early August 2009 and we must have been 12th on the ladder at that stage:
1. Melbourne - PRIORITY - T. Scully - freak. Nothing more to say
2. Melbourne - J. Trengove - medium sized forward
3. Fremantle - A. Morabito - a bit like Adam Goodes
4. North Melbourne - D. Martin - has a big kick
5. WCE - K. Lucas - medium forward/midfielder
6. Richmond - J. Butcher - tall forward, could go at Picks 2-5 though.
7. Sydney - G. Rohan - can play wherever. Good kick at goal.
8. Hawthorn - B. Cunnington - A bit like Jimmy Bartel
9. Essendon - K. Stevens - inside midfielder
10. Port Adelaide - L. Tapscott - medium forward/midfielder
11. Carlton - A. Christensen - ball magnet
12. Brisbane - J. Crichton - good kick, midfielder
13. Adelaide - J. Carlisle - apparently a freak. Tall forward.
14. Collingwood - N. Vardy - 198cm ruckman.
15. W Bulldogs - D. Talia - can play back and forward KP
16. Geelong - A. Moore - very 'versatile' midfielder/forward
17. St Kilda - J. Gysberts - very consistent, could potentially go top 10. Would be lucky to drop so low.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15327599&postcount=1
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It's still guesswork predicting mock drafts prior to the draft camp and TAC Cup Grand Final. Last year they didn't have Sheppard nor Melksham and both went top 10.
This is probably close to the full mock first round draft including the GC picks........
1. GC - David Swallow
2. GC - Harley Bennell
3. GC - Sam Day
4. WCE - Dyson Heppell
5. GC - Andrew Gaff
6. Rich - Tom Lynch
7. GC - Daniel Gorringe
8. Ess - Shaun Atley
9. GC - Jared Polec
10. Bris - Jed Lamb
11. GC - Brodie Smith
12. Melb - Jack Darling
13. GC - Luke Parker
14. Adel - Scott Lycett
15. GC - Patrick McCarthy
16. Port - Josh Caddy
17. North - Lucas Cook
18. Carl - Reece Conca
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt
20. Freo - Matt Watson
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis
22. WB - Mitch Wallis
23. Geel - Billie Smedts
24. St K - Aaron Young
25. Coll - Dion Prestia
They must have forgotten about Griffiths to have us going for another big key forward. Not a bad thing if he's the best available at our pick but it goes against what the club has been saying wanting an outside mid.
If the draft did go as the above we should be able to get another pretty decent kid with our 2nd pick at #29. Tom Gordon, Ben Jacobs, Mitch Hallahan, Cameron Guthrie and Kieran Harper missing from that top 25.
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depends if we trade for one though I spose, we might trade for that mid ... who knows
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Kevin 'Shifter' Sheehan just went through a mock first round draft for the existing clubs. He had Swallow, Bennell, Day and Gorringe going to the Gold Coast. No Gaff either so he must think Gaff at #5 and Gorringe at #7.
For Richmond he chose 196cm key forward Tom Lynch.
1. GC - David Swallow
2. GC - Bennel
3. GC - Day
4. WC - Dyson Heppell ..... 40 possies yesterday in a final
6. Rich - Tom Lynch .... 196cm key forward with endurance of a Nick Riewoldt.
8. Ess - Shaun Atley ... exceptional in traffic (Judd step) and leads tackles.
10. Bris - Jed Lamb .... X-factor, clean hands, natural talent who can play in numerous spots, mid, 44 goals
12. Melb - Jack Darling ... has he reached his ceiling? Works hard, great athlete
14. Adel - Scott Lycett ... 6' 8", played senior footy with Port Magpies, good mark.
16. Port - Josh Caddy .... powerful mid (Joel Selwood like). 4th in clearacnes in Nat Champs from just 3 games.
17. North - Dean MacDonald BUMP Lucas Cook ... soft hands, sets play up.
18. Carl - Reece Conca ... run and carry player, production when went up to senior level.
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt .... classy wingman, reads the play well, skillful both sides, can play HB as well.
20. Freo - Matthew Watson ... 195cm, 98kg. Magnificient kick like a Josh Hunt.
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis ..... clean hands, soccer background.
22. WB - Mitch Wallis ....... (F/S) ..... could be Libba jnr.
23. Geel - Billie Smedts ..... can play 6-8 spots on the ground. Rebounding defender. Good user on the way out.
24. St K - Aaron Young ..... 188cm, can play mid, forward or back. Consistent.
25. Coll - Dion Prestia ..... great game yesterday. Power back (David Rodan like and size wise). Could go higher after yesterday. Two top games in a row in the TAC Cup finals.
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
Totally agree Stripes. Just keep stuffing that hamburger!
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Here's a summary and some video of Tom Lynch......
Tom Lynch
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tom+Lynch+TAC+Cup+Rd+14+Cannons+v+Stingrays+kwGoLdLhQY2l.jpg)
Club: Dandenong Stingrays
Height: 196cm
Weight: 86kg
Date of Birth: 31/10/92
Postion: Key Position Player
Video: Lynch #35 for Vic Country vs SA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpmJLLD3ZRU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpmJLLD3ZRU&feature=player_embedded)
Strength:
- Big upside
- X-Factor
- Very athletic
- Big leap
- Versatile
Weaknesses:
- Raw
- Played only 1 season of footy
- How will it take long to develop?
- What position in the AFL?
Stats:
TAC Cup
Averages (from 11 matches in 2010)
* 8.3 kicks (60% Effective), 6.6 handballs (75% effective)
* 4.8 marks (1.9 contested, 2.9 uncontested)
* 1.9 tackles
* 1.8 goals, 0.7 behinds
* 4.2 hitouts
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Thomas%20Lynch&action=PSTATS&pID=190893834&client=1-3020-0-102897-8057343 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Thomas%20Lynch&action=PSTATS&pID=190893834&client=1-3020-0-102897-8057343)
Summary:
Lynch is a raw tall, but with massive upside. At 196cm, he could play on the wing similarly to Matthew Richardson. Only started playing footy seriously at start of the year when his friend Mitch Hallahan asked him to. Could be a future star but could just as easily be a bust. High risk, high reward-type selection.
Draft Range National Draft Pick 15 30.
http://www.footydraft.com/tom-lynch/
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my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Agree and I think the club will feel similarly.
Word is that KPPs are not strong this year but mids are.
We have loaded up on tall marking options in recent drafts.
I expect it will be a mid with pick 6.
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another Will Thursfield stick. Uum ill pass
Gaff FFS or Atley. No one else please
Midfielders win matches look at the Cats.
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another Will Thursfield stick. Uum ill pass
Gaff FFS or Atley. No one else please
Midfielders win matches look at the Cats.
Dan what do you think of Brodie Smith?
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another Will Thursfield stick. Uum ill pass
Gaff FFS or Atley. No one else please
Midfielders win matches look at the Cats.
Heppell - tall mid, AA team, BOG last two finals (vs Gaff/Oakleigh last game)
Polec - sposed to be handy, playing well in South Australia
do you not like these two options?
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We should be going after Dyson. No fate but what we make.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OJl6ATsGFco/RfLeL0mFu3I/AAAAAAAAAnE/MIK50KtRfFc/s320/furlong.jpg)
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We should be going after Dyson. No fate but what we make.
Very prophetic of you Gerks....u should stick to vandalising houses :lol
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I know you can't judge a kid by one game of highlights and I'm not saying he shouldn't be drafted at all but Lynch comes across in that video as more a 2nd/3rd round pick rather than a top 10 pick. There's something to work with (he also kicked 4 goals against Qld in the champs) but as that summary says he is raw. He's not standing out as you'd expect for a top 10 pick.
Just looking back at that mock draft it's unlikely but it would be very handy if we could somehow trade for another pick in the mid-teens. Atley, Parker/Caddy and Jacobs would alongside our existing mid group probably set up our midfield brigade for the next decade.
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another Will Thursfield stick. Uum ill pass
Gaff FFS or Atley. No one else please
Midfielders win matches look at the Cats.
Dan what do you think of Brodie Smith?
Good height but honestly dont know anything about him nor have i seen footage of him. can he kick with both feet???
What i do know is Gaff and Atley have been rated the best mids in the draft thus far so i would prefer to stick with the best available at this stage.
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another Will Thursfield stick. Uum ill pass
Gaff FFS or Atley. No one else please
Midfielders win matches look at the Cats.
Heppell - tall mid, AA team, BOG last two finals (vs Gaff/Oakleigh last game)
Polec - sposed to be handy, playing well in South Australia
do you not like these two options?
Heppell looks good from what ive seen. He has a bigger body than some of our players :banghead :banghead
what do they say about his kicking? Can he kick with his right.
sounds like he is more of a defender
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Heppel to the back flank
deledio forward/middle
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another Will Thursfield stick. Uum ill pass
Gaff FFS or Atley. No one else please
Midfielders win matches look at the Cats.
Dan what do you think of Brodie Smith?
Good height but honestly dont know anything about him nor have i seen footage of him. can he kick with both feet???
What i do know is Gaff and Atley have been rated the best mids in the draft thus far so i would prefer to stick with the best available at this stage.
thats fair enough!
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Heppel to the back flank
deledio forward/middle
Could live with that if Heppel can do the job 2/3 as good as Lids did.
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Heppell was a playing as a back flank/defender earlier in his junior career but moved into the midfield in the 2nd half of the year, including the recent finals.
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Nothing wrong with leaving Lids where he is either. Playing a Hodge/McLeod/Goddard/Murphy role is just fine by me. :thumbsup
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.
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Big Tone. I see your point, but i think you are being far too negative.
There is certainly no guarantee that Griff will be a star, but he has some encouraging attributes, including size, speed, good hands, a big hoof and reportedly, a good work ethic.
I for one, am certainly looking forward to watching him grow and would not be surprised at all if he develops into a dominant forward.
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.
Its just glimpses but he took a pretty decent contested mark in the wet against Port at Football Park, he laid a fantastic tackle, collected the ball and kick a 50 metre goal on the run against the Swans and I can't remember the side but picked up the ball on the half volley at full tilt handball to a running midfielder and its those glimpses that show he has something to offer.
Injuries, consistency and development of young talent missing at our club for so long will determine if he makes it for there was enough in his first season to build into a career.
To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.
Its just glimpses but he took a pretty decent contested mark in the wet against Port at Football Park, he laid a fantastic tackle, collected the ball and kick a 50 metre goal on the run against the Swans and I can't remember the side but picked up the ball on the half volley at full tilt handball to a running midfielder and its those glimpses that show he has something to offer.
Injuries, consistency and development of young talent missing at our club for so long will determine if he makes it for there was enough in his first season to build into a career.
To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.
Remember all those times and agree they were all fantastic BUT lets not make the same mistakes over and over again. I personally think Griff will be a good player for the club if injuries let him keep developing. I even think he showed me more in those few great moments than Astbury did all year. Jury still well and truely out on Astbury for mine.
I just really hate when we all rate these kids without much to go on.
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Big Tone. I see your point, but i think you are being far too negative.
There is certainly no guarantee that Griff will be a star, but he has some encouraging attributes, including size, speed, good hands, a big hoof and reportedly, a good work ethic.
I for one, am certainly looking forward to watching him grow and would not be surprised at all if he develops into a dominant forward.
30 years in the wilderness i can understand where BT is coming from.
Everyone had high hopes for Rance a few years back and look how far back he is now.
I do rate Griffiths but we don't really know at all if he will make it or not.
Everyone thought Schulz was flying after he bagged 6 in a game and then look at the crap he dished up after.
The main difference here is the coach. Dimma aint the tanned one and i hope he sticks by his no short cuts mentality.
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To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.
And apparently you only need to be as good as Harry O'Shizen to be an AA HBF so Heppell should have no worries making an impact if he can work on his blackness over a few pre-seasons...
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To be fair, we have had some false starts over the years but ffs, if Chris Dawes can have an impact, I'll back a fully fit Ben Griffiths.
And apparently you only need to be as good as Harry O'Shizen to be an AA HBF so Heppell should have no worries making an impact if he can work on his blackness over a few pre-seasons...
what a stuffen joke that is, he is in purely on hype, lots of it self generated too i might add ::)
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.
Wow bigtone! Jumping the gun here a little I feel. I never said Griffith's is a guaranteed super-star forward but, for the small amount of time we have seen him, I think the signs are promising. Just like when a recruiter drafts players, there is no certainities or definites, you can only go on potential and I think we have every right to feel positive about his future based on what we have seen to date.
I agree with you that, as supporters, we are often guilty of over-rating our players and their potential, but you can only go on the evidence at hand and the development of the draftees from this year. I think it would be great to have a number of tall forwards fighting for selection but its a judgement call on potential and probability. There are no certainities.
So what do we need most? Where is our most glaring potential holes? What type of team do we want to create? How much are we willing to gamble? These are all the questions that need answering and regardless of how much research you do or experience you have, in the end recruiters judge players on a handful of games before drafting them and coaches/supporters base their judgement on existing young players in a very similar way.
I believe we need more talent in the engine room where we can make a strong argument that some of our 2nd tier midfielders are good average players. The more quality midfielders you have the better I say. All the best teams have had a group of star midfielders.
Stripes
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.
Wow bigtone! Jumping the gun here a little I feel. I never said Griffith's is a guaranteed super-star forward but, for the small amount of time we have seen him, I think the signs are promising. Just like when a recruiter drafts players, there is no certainities or definites, you can only go on potential and I think we have every right to feel positive about his future based on what we have seen to date.
I agree with you that, as supporters, we are often guilty of over-rating our players and their potential, but you can only go on the evidence at hand and the development of the draftees from this year. I think it would be great to have a number of tall forwards fighting for selection but its a judgement call on potential and probability. There are no certainities.
So what do we need most? Where is our most glaring potential holes? What type of team do we want to create? How much are we willing to gamble? These are all the questions that need answering and regardless of how much research you do or experience you have, in the end recruiters judge players on a handful of games before drafting them and coaches/supporters base their judgement on existing young players in a very similar way.
I believe we need more talent in the engine room where we can make a strong argument that some of our 2nd tier midfielders are good average players. The more quality midfielders you have the better I say. All the best teams have had a group of star midfielders.
Stripes
Me jumping the gun????? Maybe it's you that maybe jumping the gun on Griff.
All im saying Stripes in terms of Griff there was not much to go on, agreed? If you can tell he is going to make it as a Kpf off just what we have seen than you are a better judge than me. Wishful thinking maybe, but not much to go on just yet.
Potential is a scary word around Tigers supporters.
Just out of interest Stripes, how did you rate Astburys year?
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big tone, sorry but you are a complete fool if you down play the impact of two very tall kpps in their first year
You are kidding yourself, for either of them to play as well as they did in their first year was massive, Astbury especially
I can't remember a young 196+cm key tall play as well in his first year as Astbury did for over a decade, we'd be over the moon if he played like he did like this in his 3rd year rather than his 1st.
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I won't mind having another quality backup for our forwardline in Lynch but I believe every team needs more talented midfielders than KPP. With Griffiths showing every signs he will become an excellent forward and with players such as Post, Rance and even Westoff as backups, my feelings is we should aim for a player of the ilk of Atley or Gaff with our first pick and a ruck/forward with our next pick.
Just me
Stripes
The most annoying thing about being a Tiger is how bad we have been for 30 years the second most annoying is how highly we rare our players with not much to back it up.
Stripes please tell me the "every signs" that Griffiths will become an excellent forward?? He had about 3 kicks in 6 games and took about 2 marks.
Please people lets not rate our youngsters just because they run around a little!
Not every kid is going to be a star just because we draft them and just because we want them too.
Wow bigtone! Jumping the gun here a little I feel. I never said Griffith's is a guaranteed super-star forward but, for the small amount of time we have seen him, I think the signs are promising. Just like when a recruiter drafts players, there is no certainities or definites, you can only go on potential and I think we have every right to feel positive about his future based on what we have seen to date.
I agree with you that, as supporters, we are often guilty of over-rating our players and their potential, but you can only go on the evidence at hand and the development of the draftees from this year. I think it would be great to have a number of tall forwards fighting for selection but its a judgement call on potential and probability. There are no certainities.
So what do we need most? Where is our most glaring potential holes? What type of team do we want to create? How much are we willing to gamble? These are all the questions that need answering and regardless of how much research you do or experience you have, in the end recruiters judge players on a handful of games before drafting them and coaches/supporters base their judgement on existing young players in a very similar way.
I believe we need more talent in the engine room where we can make a strong argument that some of our 2nd tier midfielders are good average players. The more quality midfielders you have the better I say. All the best teams have had a group of star midfielders.
Stripes
Me jumping the gun????? Maybe it's you that maybe jumping the gun on Griff.
All im saying Stripes in terms of Griff there was not much to go on, agreed? If you can tell he is going to make it as a Kpf off just what we have seen than you are a better judge than me. Wishful thinking maybe, but not much to go on just yet.
Potential is a scary word around Tigers supporters.
Just out of interest Stripes, how did you rate Astburys year?
For a first year player, Astbury had a great season. Yes - great. I don't think I'm over-rating his efforts especially considering he 1) is a tall who tradionally take longer to develop, 2)he played forward and back, 3) his poise and desposal under pressure in the backline was years ahead of the coaches expectations. If we compare him to Brian Lake well then he had a terrible season but realistically we can afford to be pleased with what he has produced on the field to date and this would suggest that he would build on this in years to come. Infamy is right here - we need to judge him (and Griff) as a first year player not an experienced player. Is it a certainity he will improve - no, is it highly probable - yes.
Is Griff going to be a kpf? Well if I was a betting man I would say he has far more chance to make it than not. It all depends on injury, attitude, education and luck some of which you can base your speculative judgement on given history but some are left to chance. I can't tell you he is a certainity to succeed no more than I can tell you tha you will survive out the year but I think given what we have seen I feel we should all feel positive about his future...at least until we have evidence to suggest otherwise. :thumbsup
Stripes
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Pick 25 = Premier
Pick 26 = West Coast priority pick
Pick 27 = Gold Coast
Pick 28 = West Coast
Pick 29 = Richmond
Pick 30 = Essendon
Pick 31 = Brisbane
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Do we need another forward?????
i don't actually think its a bad idea to get another talented power forward, esp one with the talent and upside of tom lynch. it would definitely be the way i'd go esp if we can trade for a pick in the teens where we'd be able to pick up a mid like harper/caddy/parker
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It's still guesswork predicting mock drafts prior to the draft camp and TAC Cup Grand Final. Last year they didn't have Sheppard nor Melksham and both went top 10.
This is probably close to the full mock first round draft including the GC picks........
1. GC - David Swallow
2. GC - Harley Bennell
3. GC - Sam Day
4. WCE - Dyson Heppell
5. GC - Andrew Gaff
6. Rich - Tom Lynch
7. GC - Daniel Gorringe
8. Ess - Shaun Atley
9. GC - Jared Polec
10. Bris - Jed Lamb
11. GC - Brodie Smith
12. Melb - Jack Darling
13. GC - Luke Parker
14. Adel - Scott Lycett
15. GC - Patrick McCarthy
16. Port - Josh Caddy
17. North - Lucas Cook
18. Carl - Reece Conca
19. Haw - Jayden Pitt
20. Freo - Matt Watson
21. Syd - Patrick Karnezis
22. WB - Mitch Wallis
23. Geel - Billie Smedts
24. St K - Aaron Young
25. Coll - Dion Prestia
They must have forgotten about Griffiths to have us going for another big key forward. Not a bad thing if he's the best available at our pick but it goes against what the club has been saying wanting an outside mid.
If the draft did go as the above we should be able to get another pretty decent kid with our 2nd pick at #29. Tom Gordon, Ben Jacobs, Mitch Hallahan, Cameron Guthrie and Kieran Harper missing from that top 25.
good point mightytiges.
regarding outside mid, i know hardwick said it but i don't actually think he said anything about getting one with our first round selection.
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Don't discount us going for Daniel Gorringe if hes still around!
Though Astby was great this year - compare him to alot of other top big men picks- certainly someone to give us hope.
Griff require should opps but showed courage, speed and kicking skills - no pre- season. MMM - more hope.
Surely you would put them down as encouraging picks at the worst
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Well I am not even going to have a crack at who I think we will select with pick 6 and certainly not our other picks either. Last year after the Martin selection there were just too many players we selected that none of us had a clue about... well me at least.
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Well I am not even going to have a crack at who I think we will select with pick 6 and certainly not our other picks either. Last year after the Martin selection there were just too many players we selected that none of us had a clue about... well me at least.
is that right , I had them all except Nason & Webbs
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Well I am not even going to have a crack at who I think we will select with pick 6 and certainly not our other picks either. Last year after the Martin selection there were just too many players we selected that none of us had a clue about... well me at least.
is that right , I had them all except Nason & Webbs
Thats why I said "well me at least", good on you for picking most of them, I hadn't even heard of players like Webberly, Contin, Astbury.....etc. But well done.. :thumbsup
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Well I am not even going to have a crack at who I think we will select with pick 6 and certainly not our other picks either. Last year after the Martin selection there were just too many players we selected that none of us had a clue about... well me at least.
is that right , I had them all except Nason & Webbs
who do you want rfc to take at 6?
Without knowing much about it i think the Victorian mids sound good in heppell, atley, gaff.
I would like be a fly on the wall when Benny gale and hardwick discuss the like if day, gorringe, polec, bennell etc.
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I think Gaff,Atley Heppell in that order, in saying that Sam Day was my preference @ 6
I will preface this by saying I am no expert, I got lucky last year !!
cheers Taz
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Matt Rendell says the top 5: swallow, bennell, day, heppell/polec
if this was to be the case we have our pick of atley, gaff, smith or a tall
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I would like be a fly on the wall when Benny gale and hardwick discuss the like if day, gorringe, polec, bennell etc.
Benny Gale isn't on the list management team so Benny wont have a say :thumbsup
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I would like be a fly on the wall when Benny gale and hardwick discuss the like if day, gorringe, polec, bennell etc.
Benny Gale isn't on the list management team so Benny wont have a say :thumbsup
well he should if you ask me.
The smartest bloke being employed by our football club is Benny.
he should have a say in anything he wants thats how highly i rate his opinion.
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Well I am not even going to have a crack at who I think we will select with pick 6 and certainly not our other picks either. Last year after the Martin selection there were just too many players we selected that none of us had a clue about... well me at least.
is that right , I had them all except Nason & Webbs
Even Dea?
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I would like be a fly on the wall when Benny gale and hardwick discuss the like if day, gorringe, polec, bennell etc.
Benny Gale isn't on the list management team so Benny wont have a say :thumbsup
well he should if you ask me.
The smartest bloke being employed by our football club is Benny.
he should have a say in anything he wants thats how highly i rate his opinion.
Even if he doesn't watch the junior football leagues?
What a silly comment
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Gaff
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well he should if you ask me.
The smartest bloke being employed by our football club is Benny.
he should have a say in anything he wants thats how highly i rate his opinion.
daniel, Benny Gale is employed to run the business side of the Club not the footy department. His job in part is to ensure that the footy department has all the resources it needs.
So considering as yet we have no major sponsor(s) for 2011 I think Benny's main gig at the minute is to oversee that little matter rather than who we think should draft at pick 6 ;D
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regarding outside mid, i know hardwick said it but i don't actually think he said anything about getting one with our first round selection.
you are correct peggles, and he also didn't expect Morton to come back and play really well on the wing, so this outside mid may come from anywhere from trade week to our last pick in the rookie draft or may already be on the list
i'd expect we'll go best available for the first few rounds
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well he should if you ask me.
The smartest bloke being employed by our football club is Benny.
he should have a say in anything he wants thats how highly i rate his opinion.
daniel, Benny Gale is employed to run the business side of the Club not the footy department. His job in part is to ensure that the footy department has all the resources it needs.
So considering as yet we have no major sponsor(s) for 2011 I think Benny's main gig at the minute is to oversee that little matter rather than who we think should draft at pick 6 ;D
that about covers it WP.
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I agree with everyone FACT
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they should just start trade week now and have the draft tomorrow. stuff the cats, aints, flogs and filth, i'm bored. surely the club could throw us a delisting aperitif? make mcmahon walk the plank! andrew krakouer could swing past on a rope and save him with his sandover medal between his teeth.
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so - you reckon Benny Gale did not know who Aston Martin was untill after draft day?
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so - you reckon Benny Gale did not know who Aston Martin was untill after draft day?
Bit of a difference between knowing who a player is, watching a highlight reel and being a full time recruiting expert
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so - you reckon Benny Gale did not know who Aston Martin was untill after draft day?
Nope. Do you reckon Smorgon or Eddie or Prattie knew who their first draft picks were and looked like until after they got drafted? Please fellas Benny is great for the club we all know that but not in that capacity in influencing recruiters on who we should get. I thought those sort of days were behind us.
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so - you reckon Benny Gale did not know who Aston Martin was untill after draft day?
Nope. Do you reckon Smorgon or Eddie or Prattie knew who their first draft picks were and looked like until after they got drafted? Please fellas Benny is great for the club we all know that but not in that capacity in influencing recruiters on who we should get. I thought those sort of days were behind us.
Spot on Tucky. Benny Gale admits he doesn't involve himself in footy dept. decisions such as recruiting. The CEO isn't there to micro-manage the footy dept. The days of the old club secretary are long gone. The CEO employs a footy manager, a list manager and recruiting staff and lets them do their roles (albeit they are answerable to the CEO and the Board football subcommittee). Gale may have known like all of us that Martin was potential top 5 pick but he wouldn't have watched him as a junior footballer to make a judgement. That's the recruiting staff's job who see these kids play live every week and have every stat and detail analysed.