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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 24, 2010, 02:38:43 PM
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Can we do the double (win home & away) over Port this week?
The Tigers belted the Power by 47 points in round 10 to record their first win of the year, and Cotchin said it would be great to beat them again, especially given their improved form since club legend Matthew Primus took over as caretaker coach.
"Obviously our win earlier in the year was really exciting, and Port have come a long way in the last four or five weeks, so we're really looking forward to the challenge.
"Hopefully it can be a really good game for the last one of the season."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101029/default.aspx
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When is this game played and who is broadcasting it?
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When is this game played and who is broadcasting it?
Sunday 2:10 at Docklands and Ch7 an hour later (probably 3:00pm)
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We should smash them. St Kilda smashed them a couple of weeks ago 8)
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I scored some tickets to the Medallian Club this weekend so I'm extra fired up about the game :thumbsup
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Port won their final "home" game of the year....I have a feeling they will just go through the motions this week and we will send Benny off in style.
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Would be great to send off Benny in style. Would be good to end the year on a win. Hope they come out really fired up.
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It's pretty simple - if we turn up with our "vs St Kilda" hats on then we will win well, if we turn up with our "vs Carlton" hats on we will get flogged.
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RICHMOND
A good effort against the Saints and some tired bodies should mean few changes. Last week's experiment with one ruckman didn't work all that well, so expect Andrew Browne to return. Will Thursfield has a corked thigh, so young Dylan Grimes, who has been excellent at Coburg, could get his first run at senior level. Ben Nason is looking very tired, and could make way for Jeromey Webberley.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=101071
Yeah Nason looked very tired last week.... :-\
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When is this game played and who is broadcasting it?
Sunday 2:10 at Docklands and Ch7 an hour later (probably 3:00pm)
Cheers '65
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Hoping that Jack has the Coleman medal sown up before the start of this game, so we can relish the fact that he had won, and not hang on every touch hoping for the goal or two required to repass Hall....
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QUESTION MARKS
Can the Tigers give Cousins a fairytale finish? The young Richmond side has tired in the latter part of the season, losing five of its last six games but might will itself over the line in his AFL swansong.
Can caretaker coach Matthew Primus end his audition for the top job with his fifth win from seven starts? It will be hard for the club to pass over the former skipper’s application if he does.
WHO WILL WIN AND WHY
On current form, you’d say the Power, but it’s hard to gauge how much of an impact the emotion surrounding Cousins’ retirement will have on the inexperienced Tigers.
Port Adelaide has recorded just two wins, against West Coast and Essendon, away from AAMI Stadium this season and the combination of Cousins’ farewell and a red-hot Jack Riewoldt might be enough to get Richmond the win.
PREDICTION
Richmond by 17 points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101102/default.aspx
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Current form! WTF? Port at home beat melbourne who have a whole 2 more wins than us!
We gave the saints a red hot run for their money, we'll smack port - "As long as we don't bring our Carltank hats" ^ lol
Rather have Jack home and hosed but wouldn't it be more fun if he had to chase 2 or 3 for victory, Bulldogs have the Bummers so maybe he just will have to chase. :help :gotigers
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Will be really interesting to see how Jack plays depending on what is needed for the Coleman
If he's 1-2 behind will he step up and dominate or choke?
If he's already in front, will he play with freedom and kick a bag, or will he be disinterested?
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Footscray would need to give the ball to Hall at all times for him to end up in front of jack. Would need to kick 10 to 11 to make it interesting. Cant see it myself, I think Jacks home!
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Footscray would need to give the ball to Hall at all times for him to end up in front of jack. Would need to kick 10 to 11 to make it interesting. Cant see it myself, I think Jacks home!
They're playing Essendon Ramps :help
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Agree with Smokey's comments
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3 wishes
1. We win today
2. No injuries
3. Jack kicks a bag
:pray
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Someone make Nahas go away
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Absolute crap ... please pick it up in the second half .. do it for cousins and do it for the fans
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stuff me, they invite wallace back for the game and they play the way they did under him :banghead :banghead
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Absolute crap ... please pick it up in the second half .. do it for cousins and do it for the fans
AND THE DID :gotigers .. effing umpires cost us the game
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Yep great call by the ump changed the flow of the game singlehandedly
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Yep great call by the ump changed the flow of the game singlehandedly
Yep once agian made the game about them ..
no wonder Port dosent get big crowds they have only got 5 players in red :banghead
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Huge shame about the result. I won't blame the decision that cost us the lead but it had an impact and the decision was incorrect.. Makes u think why pay it? Why would a human being pay a dodgy free against a club with 37k fans in a dead rubber who is embarking on a fairy take finish and amazing comeback.. Very very bold call.
We were the best team for 3 qtrs, we couldn't kick straight, and majority fell asleep in the 2nd qtr.
The rest was really positive. Jack was well held and we had 32 scoring shots.
Jake King was absolutly fantastic,
Deledio lifted massively in 2nd half,
Post worked hard and looked as fit as he's ever been,
Cotchin was superb
Gourdis was OK and was lively and shows signs
Morton was everywhere and really looking at home in midfield
Took ticker to come back, good lesson to learnn never drop your head. Our heads dropped in 2nd qtr and they ran wild. Ened up being to big a margin to peg back.
Good effort, great 2nd half to launch into pre season
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eff me, they invite wallace back for the game and they play the way they did under him :banghead :banghead
lol thought the same. He turns up to the footy and we get smashed and knighta gets the sack. He's a tempest of pestilence and needs to be put under house arrest or buried under the lexus centre.
Took ticker to come back, good lesson to keRn never drop your head. Our heads dropped in 2nd qtr and they ran wild. Ened up being to big a margin to peg back.
Good effort, great 2nd half to launch into pre season
Sums today up pretty well Popelord. Would have gone through the roof if we pinched it but the result leaves the players with no illusions heading into pre-season how much they need to improve.
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Huge shame about the result. I won't blame the decision that cost us the lead but it had an impact and the decision was incorrect.. Makes u think why pay it? Why would a human being pay a dodgy free against a club with 37k fans in a dead rubber who is embarking on a fairy take finish and amazing comeback.. Very very bold call.
We were the best team for 3 qtrs, we couldn't kick straight, and majority fell asleep in the 2nd qtr.
The rest was really positive. Jack was well held and we had 32 scoring shots.
Jake King was absolutly fantastic,
Deledio lifted massively in 2nd half,
Post worked hard and looked as fit as he's ever been,
Cotchin was superb
Gourdis was OK and was lively and shows signs
Morton was everywhere and really looking at home in midfield
Took ticker to come back, good lesson to keRn never drop your head. Our heads dropped in 2nd qtr and they ran wild. Ened up being to big a margin to peg back.
Good effort, great 2nd half to launch into pre season
thought that Grimes, Taylor and O'Reilly all showed they can be good players!
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Posty and Gourdis both showed a bit. Daniel STewart was the only tall forward for them who got the better of us, he was really good. Sarge coulda had a few but couldn't convert. Cheers big fella ;D
Pathetic 1st half but was happy with our effort in the end. Cotchin :cheers
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what was the goal reversal decision paid for, was it obvious?
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I wanna keep the kid on, but I'm a huge O'Rielly fan. He's picked up a footy 18 months ago and looks pretty settled.
He's pretty tough too, has taken a few bumps and has gotten up and shaken them off.
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RFC made an absolute mint today IMHO - lost the game, got the cash, great 2nd half but it was a performance that allows Hardwick to continue to demand hard work, the 1st half performance was disgraceful! Grimes, Taylor and the Irish Man all did well and all have futures based on todays effort!
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RFC made an absolute mint today IMHO - lost the game, got the cash, great 2nd half but it was a performance that allows Hardwick to continue to demand hard work, the 1st half performance was disgraceful! Grimes, Taylor and the Irish Man all did well and all have futures based on todays effort!
Exactly what my mate said. The result launches us into the pre season with believe but with no arrogance or self satisfaction and the desire to improve.
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That game drew an extra 10,000 that would not have a membership and wouldnt normally go to games.
IMO we made at least $150,000 extra from todays game.
Cuz has been a massive result for our Footy Club.
Il tell you what something else this gameme. Cotch is our next captain. He is a born leader that bloke.
That group huddle at half time on the 50 linereal captain stuff.
Ooh well welost. so be it. Season a success. Dimma a big tick so far.
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what was the goal reversal decision paid for, was it obvious?
Wasn't obvious BJ, needed a slow down replay to see what the maggot saw. Basically 2 players manhandling each other in the goal square as the ball came in, both guilty, no advantage to either, ball spilled to Taylor who goaled and the maggot got his 5 minutes in the sun. Once again, fistings to the left - and we were on the left of some disgraceful umpiring all day - again. Thought that this was the worst display of maggoting across the board that I have seen all year - some of the decisions were just gob-smackingly unbelievable and went against us about 80/20.
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what was the goal reversal decision paid for, was it obvious?
Wasn't obvious BJ, needed a slow down replay to see what the maggot saw. Basically 2 players manhandling each other in the goal square as the ball came in, both guilty, no advantage to either, ball spilled to Taylor who goaled and the maggot got his 5 minutes in the sun. Once again, fistings to the left - and we were on the left of some disgraceful umpiring all day - again. Thought that this was the worst display of maggoting across the board that I have seen all year - some of the decisions were just gob-smackingly unbelievable and went against us about 80/20.
watching it now old fella, l will belt Geish for you next round l get ;D
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I'm with you Smokey. I hate the biased,cheating show-boating maggots so much, I would happily poison their drinking water if I could.
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I don't usually bag out the umpires but they made a lot of poor decisions today that cost us the game collectively and probably individually. The goal line decision was the worst of them but the Gourdis mark which was snatched from behind and resulted in a goal was a close second.Others included many missed too high decisions.
If the decisions were equally poor towards each team I won't mind so much but today it was definitely biased. Maybe the umpires didn't get the script for the day ::)
Stripes
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RFC made an absolute mint today IMHO - lost the game, got the cash, great 2nd half but it was a performance that allows Hardwick to continue to demand hard work, the 1st half performance was disgraceful! Grimes, Taylor and the Irish Man all did well and all have futures based on todays effort!
Exactly what my mate said. The result launches us into the pre season with believe but with no arrogance or self satisfaction and the desire to improve.
spot on
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watching it now old fella, l will belt Geish for you next round l get ;D
That would be much appreciated my old mate! :whistle
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everyone says how bad we played in the first half. Scores were level 1/4 time. l think we should applaud how well Port played in the 2nd cause they controlled the game. Impressed with the fight back by the young cubs & would have to say the umpiring overall was pathetic for both sides at times & not being biased but we copped it more again.
Rodan doing circle work again at times & have to say l had a laugh ;D Schulzs :shh Meyer :shh thanks Port ;D
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first half was ugly ... way too many handballs in the middle plus trying to weave between the opposition ... made me and more importantly, alot of our die hard supporters WILD. the second half was something else ... a real gutsy effort ... thought we were in for a long afternoon but it was a great job by our young blokes. Looking at our backline, the only guy that showed consistency throughout the whole game was kelvin moore. Put in a solid effort at almost every contest. McGuane/thursfield would have made things alot easier for us. In fact the team we had today was a very inexperienced side compared to the teal power. Regardless of that... the umpiring was a consistent disaster. I've read posters here complaining about the rough deal we get and today was 100% confirmation of that. Those RED MAGGOTS today proved just what a critical impact they can have on a game ... ill bet that port player that copped a free when we should have hit the front will be watching that replay laughing his t@s off.
But although we lost today ... i still puffed my chest out and took heart in the effort Ben and all the boys put in today, and this season in total. Stuck it up the so called experts that had us winning ZERO games. I bought a membership for the first time this year and ill be renewing it again next year.
Go tiges...
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what was the goal reversal decision paid for, was it obvious?
Collins had hold of a jumper, certain free unfortunately
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Agree with Hyperlite.
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Collins had hold of a jumper, certain free unfortunately
Not when they are both holding Jack, play on. Watch the replay, the Port player has hold of Collins arm for most of the tussle.
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Yeah smokey, but it's the fist full of jumper that stands out to the umpires and if they see that then they have to pay a free kick.
Feels weird agreeing with Jack. ;D
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Yeah smokey, but it's the fist full of jumper that stands out to the umpires and if they see that then they have to pay a free kick.
Feels weird agreeing with Jack. ;D
If Collins didn't grab the jumper would he have got the free do you think?
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Yeah smokey, but it's the fist full of jumper that stands out to the umpires and if they see that then they have to pay a free kick.
Feels weird agreeing with Jack. ;D
That first full of jumper didn't bother them for weeks when it was Jacks jumper the rotten halfwits...
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Yeah smokey, but it's the fist full of jumper that stands out to the umpires and if they see that then they have to pay a free kick.
Feels weird agreeing with Jack. ;D
That first full of jumper didn't bother them for weeks when it was Jacks jumper the rotten halfwits...
I'll tell you something for a fact. Those maggots see what they want to see. If the situation was reversed and we found ourselves in Adelaide with a Port player kicking a goal to put them in front after a 9 goal comeback you can be sure as hell the goal would have stood.
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I was sitting on the fence in aisle 31.
had same view as the umpire.
If he didht have his jumper it would of been play on and we goal.
Umpires have been very consistent all year when they see the jumper being 'stretched ""
They have been inconsistent when players arms have been grabbed around each other.
Would say that Troy Taylors both misses and Rances miss from 15 metres were very costly
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I was sitting on the fence in aisle 31.
had sane view as the umpire.
If he didht have his jumper it would of been play on and we goal.
Umpires have been very consistent all year when they see the jumper being 'stretched ""
They have been inconsistent when players arms have been grabbed around each other.
Totally agree - I think if he hadn't of grab the jumper it would have been play on as they both locked arms to begin with
Would say that Troy Taylors both misses and Rances miss from 15 metres were very costly
I think the Taylor one in the final qtr when he was running in under no pressure was the one - that was a shocker
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I was sitting on the fence in aisle 31.
had sane view as the umpire.
If he didht have his jumper it would of been play on and we goal.
Umpires have been very consistent all year when they see the jumper being 'stretched ""
They have been inconsistent when players arms have been grabbed around each other.
Would say that Troy Taylors both misses and Rances miss from 15 metres were very costly
I'd say the 2nd qtr when 22 players were seen spectating from the 3rd tier was pretty costly.
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I was sitting on the fence in aisle 31.
had sane view as the umpire.
If he didht have his jumper it would of been play on and we goal.
Umpires have been very consistent all year when they see the jumper being 'stretched ""
They have been inconsistent when players arms have been grabbed around each other.
Would say that Troy Taylors both misses and Rances miss from 15 metres were very costly
I'd say the 2nd qtr when 22 players were seen spectating from the 3rd tier was pretty costly.
I'd say having one of the 22 players obviously not fit, but taking his place on the field cost us too. I thought that the club was bigger than any individual?
Richo didn't get a send off game and he would never have taken to the field if he wasn't right to play out THE WHOLE GAME.
I think that Sunday was fantastic for the Richmond Footy Club but if the focus was on winning, then a slightly different 22 would have taken to the field. If the focus wasn't on winning then why are we whinging about why we lost?
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Yeah smokey, but it's the fist full of jumper that stands out to the umpires and if they see that then they have to pay a free kick.
Feels weird agreeing with Jack. ;D
If Collins didn't grab the jumper would he have got the free do you think?
No, I think it would have been play on as others have said they were both locking arms.
As for all the unnoticed ones against Jack I agree, but I don't go for this caper of the umpires ignoring what they see just to screw Richmond over. The umpires just miss it for whatever reason.
The umpiring decision that got my goat was when Brogan(?) pinched the ball out one of our players hands(Goo?) from behind and still got the paid the mark.
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I was sitting on the fence in aisle 31.
had sane view as the umpire.
If he didht have his jumper it would of been play on and we goal.
Umpires have been very consistent all year when they see the jumper being 'stretched ""
They have been inconsistent when players arms have been grabbed around each other.
Would say that Troy Taylors both misses and Rances miss from 15 metres were very costly
I'd say the 2nd qtr when 22 players were seen spectating from the 3rd tier was pretty costly.
I'd say having one of the 22 players obviously not fit, but taking his place on the field cost us too. I thought that the club was bigger than any individual?
Richo didn't get a send off game and he would never have taken to the field if he wasn't right to play out THE WHOLE GAME.
I think that Sunday was fantastic for the Richmond Footy Club but if the focus was on winning, then a slightly different 22 would have taken to the field. If the focus wasn't on winning then why are we whinging about why we lost?
21 possessions in 50% game time probably silences that argument.
Nearly 40k Richmond supporters were watching in a tribal atmosphere, people have a right to be disappointed in the 2nd half.
You take away Cousins and 20k rock up and no1 cares how bad we played.
The comeback was awesome was thinking today when Taylor kicked that goal I think I nearly hit the roof with the biggest fist pump of all time lol.
Jumping pulling or not, happens in every contest, give the benefit of the doubt to the forwards - That'll always be my view. We wanna see goals kicked.
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Here's the game highlights on youtube (5 mins):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBN6APyKWl4
And extended 2nd half highlights (14 mins):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDODA_vDCAc
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I was sitting on the fence in aisle 31.
had sane view as the umpire.
If he didht have his jumper it would of been play on and we goal.
Umpires have been very consistent all year when they see the jumper being 'stretched ""
They have been inconsistent when players arms have been grabbed around each other.
Would say that Troy Taylors both misses and Rances miss from 15 metres were very costly
I'd say the 2nd qtr when 22 players were seen spectating from the 3rd tier was pretty costly.
I'd say having one of the 22 players obviously not fit, but taking his place on the field cost us too. I thought that the club was bigger than any individual?
Richo didn't get a send off game and he would never have taken to the field if he wasn't right to play out THE WHOLE GAME.
I think that Sunday was fantastic for the Richmond Footy Club but if the focus was on winning, then a slightly different 22 would have taken to the field. If the focus wasn't on winning then why are we whinging about why we lost?
How could Richo get a farewell game? He retired post season!
I also believe that having Cuz out there was the only thing that drove our young and very tired looking team to get so close, they were doing it for him!
Besides, who would you replace a half fit cousins with? Jordy or Polo?
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I thought Tuck had a below standard game on Sunday and now the news is out that his brother had a drug overdose on Friday night. Wonder if that had some impact on his game?
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Yeah smokey, but it's the fist full of jumper that stands out to the umpires and if they see that then they have to pay a free kick.
Feels weird agreeing with Jack. ;D
If Collins didn't grab the jumper would he have got the free do you think?
No, I think it would have been play on as others have said they were both locking arms.
As for all the unnoticed ones against Jack I agree, but I don't go for this caper of the umpires ignoring what they see just to screw Richmond over. The umpires just miss it for whatever reason.
The umpiring decision that got my goat was when Brogan(?) pinched the ball out one of our players hands(Goo?) from behind and still got the paid the mark.
But Al, we are right out of our league! The umpires have made that clear.
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If Collins didn't grab the jumper would he have got the free do you think?
No, I think it would have been play on as others have said they were both locking arms.
See the disconnect here Al (and also the reason I believe it was a shocking game-changing decision)? As you state/believe - if Collins had not 'held' his opponent by grabbing his jumper then it would have been play-on because both players were 'holding'! So you are saying that there is holding and there is holding? Any wonder the state of umpiring our great game is at the lowest point I can ever recall. And I do agree with you that the jumper tug is a visual thing but that's just my point - holding IS holding, regardless of the bloody way it's done and if those over-paid, M & M coloured, protected, prancing horses can't adjudicate correctly on such a simple act as holding another player then what hope do we have?
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My issue is that the defenders OBVIOUSLY hold forwards to fool their attempts to mark not the other way around, that should be clear to the umpires. A forward does not lock his arm with a defender, he wants it clear to attempt to mark. He did try and pull the guy off of him and that's the jumper pull, but the arm lock...that is what poos me, if he was stronger like Jack and pulled away a bit you would of seen what we see in Jacks case, the two hand grasp the arm..which is also ignored.
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Any full vision on the net of Cousins interview after the game?
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If Collins didn't grab the jumper would he have got the free do you think?
No, I think it would have been play on as others have said they were both locking arms.
See the disconnect here Al (and also the reason I believe it was a shocking game-changing decision)? As you state/believe - if Collins had not 'held' his opponent by grabbing his jumper then it would have been play-on because both players were 'holding'! So you are saying that there is holding and there is holding? Any wonder the state of umpiring our great game is at the lowest point I can ever recall. And I do agree with you that the jumper tug is a visual thing but that's just my point - holding IS holding, regardless of the bloody way it's done and if those over-paid, M & M coloured, protected, prancing horses can't adjudicate correctly on such a simple act as holding another player then what hope do we have?
What i'm saying is that when two players lock arms, who do you you pin for holding? You see it in many marking and ruck contests where it is impossible to tell exactly who is responsible, if you are looking at it objectively. Sometimes you will see a player lock an opponents arm in an attempt to fool that umpire that they are being held.
But when a player grabs a jumper and the umpire sees it he simply has to pay the free kick, simply because it stands out so much as to who is holding who. If you want the umpires to let some go and not others, gee that opens up a whole can of worms. As you say that would then be a case of there being holding and there being holding.
If the roles were reversed and a port forward grabbed a Richmond Backmans jumper and the umpire let it go allowing Port to kick a match winning goal, would you be happy with the decision? I'm sure that if that happened these forums would ignite with abuse for the umps for missing an "obvious" holding the jumper?
The simple fact is the players know that if they are caught grabbing an opponents jumper they will be pinned. Sometimes they take the risk and sometimes they get away with it. In this case the ump saw it and paid the free.
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If the roles were reversed and a port forward grabbed a Richmond Backmans jumper and the umpire let it go allowing Port to kick a match winning goal, would you be happy with the decision? I'm sure that if that happened these forums would ignite with abuse for the umps for missing an "obvious" holding the jumper?
I would be savage Al, thank you for highlighting out my lack of objectivity! :whistle
You are right but I just don't think it is that hard an area to adjudicate on - as soon as you grab hold of an opponent without the ball - anywhere on his body - holding the man, and if both are guilty then play on. Doesn't take a Rhodes Scholarship winner to identify if it was a jumper hold or body hold surely.
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:lol The objectivity comment wasn't directed at you smokey, nor even to this particular decision. It's just that I have engaged in at least one long 'discussion' with a mate over who was holding who in a marking contest. Of course the two players involved were from our respective teams. Strangley neither of us could convince the other of our respective point of view.
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all fair calls, can get confusing I spose.
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Last week's banner was another great job by our Cheer Squad wasn't it :clapping
(http://sphotos.ak.stuff-ash2/hs214.ash2/47672_10150263220710304_818990303_14569520_3599938_n.jpg)
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Last week's banner was another great job by our Cheer Squad wasn't it :clapping
(http://sphotos.ak.stuff-ash2/hs214.ash2/47672_10150263220710304_818990303_14569520_3599938_n.jpg)
Yes, as well as by the brilliant cartoonist who designed it ;D