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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on September 18, 2010, 12:31:55 PM
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The pies have been doing it for years. Maybe high altitude doesnt give you an immediate impact but if you do it for 3 or 4 years the benefits build up and can provide real and long lasting improvement for players. Our club doesnt have the resources I imagine to send the whole squad but we should be looking at sending a group which includes the mids and maybe the flanker types. Anyway, whats peoples views on high altitude.
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Good thread this.
Pies would run more than any other side. They use 100% of the turf on every oval playing the boundary line and the corridor. They run everywhere.
The made Geelongs quick running style and link and carry look extremely slow and old.
Certainly make a great point Ramps.
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As I said I think its about the resources but why not send the midfielders for 3 or 4 weeks or a select group of say 10 to 15 players innitially to test it out.
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You only get a benefit for a few weeks after returning to a lower altitude so I don't think it would make any difference at all. I think Collingwood probably get a much bigger benefit from the teamwork aspects of the camp-style training, just as Hawthorn do with Kokoda each season. I'm a fan of a remote and focused pre-season camp but at high altitude it really has no long lasting physical effect or benefit.
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You only get a benefit for a few weeks after returning to a lower altitude so I don't think it would make any difference at all. I think Collingwood probably get a much bigger benefit from the teamwork aspects of the camp-style training, just as Hawthorn do with Kokoda each season. I'm a fan of a remote and focused pre-season camp but at high altitude it really has no long lasting physical effect or benefit.
tell tha to the Kenyans lol .. hope i spelt that right :P
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Good thread.
I've been saying this all year. The pies knew what they were doing when they started the Arizona/high altitude training 4-5 years ago. Clearly paying benefits now for them. Clubs and particularly Richmond should take note and follow suit. Obviously it would involve a lot of $$$ but I would happily donate toward and incentive such as this should the club throw it out there to the members/supporters.
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I would donate to send a couple of our players to Arizona permanently.
:thumbsup
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and a couple of our "new" posters as well.
:lol
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Gives no advantage at all. Smokey is 100% on the money
Its a pure bonding of the players
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and a couple of our "new" posters as well.
:lol
exactly :thumbsup
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You only get a benefit for a few weeks after returning to a lower altitude so I don't think it would make any difference at all. I think Collingwood probably get a much bigger benefit from the teamwork aspects of the camp-style training, just as Hawthorn do with Kokoda each season. I'm a fan of a remote and focused pre-season camp but at high altitude it really has no long lasting physical effect or benefit.
tell tha to the Kenyans lol .. hope i spelt that right :P
The benefit of high altitude training only lasts in the body for a couple of weeks. Many, many runners use it in the weeks preceding an event but do not choose to live in the region permanently. The Kenyan runners predominantly come from a small region in the North West of the country and so don't even have to travel within Kenya itself to train - they get the benefits of altitude training by training at home so they will always have that advantage/benefit - and hence the high percentage of them that run well in distance races around the world. Collingwood would not receive one physiological benefit from the Arizona camp that would be apparent come Round 1.
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I think its pretty obvious that we'd be happy for any help in our Round 1 battles with Carlton, hardly has gone to plan for a while lol.
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Good thread this.
Pies would run more than any other side. They use 100% of the turf on every oval playing the boundary line and the corridor. They run everywhere.
The made Geelongs quick running style and link and carry look extremely slow and old.
Certainly make a great point Ramps.
thought u understood footy
i guess i thought wrong
geelong have never been a quick running side, only wojo and varcoe are there real genuine fast runners
geelong have a ply on style and quick ball movement , thats ben their game plan, play on, fast ball movement and that sit thats why they have so many possessions and useless stats which in todays game wont stand up
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You only get a benefit for a few weeks after returning to a lower altitude so I don't think it would make any difference at all. I think Collingwood probably get a much bigger benefit from the teamwork aspects of the camp-style training, just as Hawthorn do with Kokoda each season. I'm a fan of a remote and focused pre-season camp but at high altitude it really has no long lasting physical effect or benefit.
tell tha to the Kenyans lol .. hope i spelt that right :P
people tha tlive and train alway sat high altitude are the only ones that benefit, but as smkey says , agfter a few weeksblood counts go back to normal, its all a marketing and promotional stunt
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Good thread.
I've been saying this all year. The pies knew what they were doing when they started the Arizona/high altitude training 4-5 years ago. Clearly paying benefits now for them. Clubs and particularly Richmond should take note and follow suit. Obviously it would involve a lot of $$$ but I would happily donate toward and incentive such as this should the club throw it out there to the members/supporters.
what a load of crud
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so if the saints win next week, whayts that say about arizona butt shagging sessions
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Gives no advantage at all. Smokey is 100% on the money
Its a pure bonding of the players
The Pies have a "'high altitude "' room down at there Indoor Training facility they that DONT USE.
Interesting hey !!!!!!!
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Gives no advantage at all. Smokey is 100% on the money
Its a pure bonding of the players
The Pies have a "'high altitude "' room down at there Indoor Training facility they that DONT USE.
Interesting hey !!!!!!!
whats the point , they cant live in it 24/7 , waste of time waste of money, no point in going in there an hr or so a day
pies r fav but dont be surprised if the saints win, something tells me saints will do it
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Hopefully X is proven correct on a Saints win.
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Hopefully X is proven correct on a Saints win.
There is absolutely NO way X will be getting this one right, Collingwood are going to win the game convincingly and everyone else in the competition is going to have to work out how the stuff the Magpies run so aggressively for so long.
Dane Swan is a running freak and he has an army of team mates behind him.
They are an incredible running team - never seen anything like it, Friday night was an awesome effort.
If it isn't altitude training, it must be something else, maybe the Gatorade. Hope we have it.
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
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have watched Collingwood train several times this season.
No doubt they run more than any other club I have watched.
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
Were you at higher altitude, or was it the climate?
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Hopefully X is proven correct on a Saints win.
There is absolutely NO way X will be getting this one right, Collingwood are going to win the game convincingly and everyone else in the competition is going to have to work out how the eff the Magpies run so aggressively for so long.
Dane Swan is a running freak and he has an army of team mates behind him.
They are an incredible running team - never seen anything like it, Friday night was an awesome effort.
If it isn't altitude training, it must be something else, maybe the Gatorade. Hope we have it.
saints will win
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
Were you at higher altitude, or was it the climate?
Zambia, higher altitude, about 4500ft above sea level, climate was cold in the mornings and just right during the day. Only getting hot there now.
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
Were you at higher altitude, or was it the climate?
Isn't it South Africa where the Pies go every year?
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Collingwood love to big note themselves. High altitude training, best facilities best this best that. They are always in the news win lose or draw top or bottom because it makes for discussion and for them its advertising that they don't have to pay for on radio or the tele.
The fact they go away and bond three or four times a year and they take the whole squad adds to the comraderie and the togetherness of the squad. If we only took a handful of players it could potentially create division amongst the squad as some would feel they deserve to go as opposed to others. Its all about acceptance from your superiors and it can create confidence issues also with some players. Its all the squad or none the way I see it. All for one and one for all.
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
Were you at higher altitude, or was it the climate?
Isn't it South Africa where the Pies go every year?
Nah, Arizona WAT. I think they went to SA early this year as part of the pre-season community camp thing maybe?
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
Yep, worked for me too WAT. I was into long distance running (took it up after I finished playing football) when I lived there for 7 months and when I returned I ran some excellent times for a couple of weeks but it soon dissipated (and long before I was able to get any competition benefit).
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Well I can offer a bit of insight here, I actually keep pretty fit and do weights and cardio training. When I went to Africa I found myself short of breath when walking, it took about 2 weeks to adapt to the conditions and since coming home everyone says how much weight I have lost. I do cardio and weights over there and have been able to lift my cardio workout beyond what I was doing back home.
Does it work, well it has done for me... ;)
Were you at higher altitude, or was it the climate?
Isn't it South Africa where the Pies go every year?
Nah, Arizona WAT. I think they went to SA early this year as part of the pre-season community camp thing maybe?
Ah, thats right, good to see it worked for you too, there must be something in it.
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People miss the point about the high altitude training. The benefit is more psychological than physiological because it is a palpable demonstration of the culture that is built at successful clubs. It is an attitude of total commitment: "we will do everything in our power to improve, even if the improvement is almost immeasurable". The Lions were the same with their low flying planes and intravenous drips. The benefits of these things were probably negligible in physiological terms, but valuable in cultural statements about the club and what they stand for. It is more about belief in the process than the actual running power.
And it doesn't necessarily work to then imitate what others are doing. We need to find our own 'cutting edge'.
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It worked for me also
l found that l was lifting my can easier sitting around campfire every year. ;D
Many world champion boxers use this type of training before a big fight. Shane Mosley was at the trainingg camp the boxers have in the high country, cant remember where but can remember they done a story on it before the Mosley vs Shannon Taylor fight in the USA years back.
It does work for boxers but for footballers no, unless of course as some said you live & train in the high country.
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and a couple of our "new" posters as well.
:lol
there's certainly a few posters with their heads so far up their cake holes they could be sherpas on dookie mountain
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Gives no advantage at all. Smokey is 100% on the money
Its a pure bonding of the players
Same here, didn't think it would give much advantage.
Mick is just a good coach. The Eagles didn't do any high altitude training.
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and a couple of our "new" posters as well.
:lol
there's certainly a few posters with their heads so far up their cake holes they could be sherpas on dookie mountain
your sweet greg :lol