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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 12, 2010, 06:25:00 PM
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Cameron coming up shortly on 3aw.
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A very brief interview with Craig Cameron given they (Healy, Russell and Shaw) had to get to Caro.....
* Brad Miller potentially a mature age rookie. Got to go through draft process first. We're a very young list. Moved a number of senior players on last year and lost Cuz, Simmo and Polak to retirement this year. Don't want to be too young and put too much pressure on Jack up forward and the young bodies on our list.
* Tony Shaw asked why did we trade away a forward in Collins when we are thinking about bringing Miller in as a forward. Brad seen more as a support to our key forwards; Collins was more a midsize opportunistic forward. Collins wasn't someone we considered trading. We just wanted to bring guys with bigger engines given the new interchange rules. Collingwood showed they had plenty of midfield players and we came up short against that. So wanted to build up our midfield stocks.
* Compo pick - the plan is to bank it. We want to get into future drafts given we are still developing our list. Can't allow Scott Clayton to hog it all (laughs). Compo picks this can be used up till 2014; GWS' ones next year up to 2015.
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Caro said she doesn't understand why we let go of Collins and bring in Miller when Collo was younger. Collo was popular with Richmond fans and not just because he kicked the last two goals against Freo (sic - it was Sydney). Russell said he's a Collins fan as well.
Shaw not sure about Grigg. Said Richmond thinks Grigg suits their list better.
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Tony Shaw is an idiot. Asks absurd questions - how can you compare Collins to Miller?
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Fancy comparing a skinny midsized forward to a KPF. These people are fools.
Wilson coming in and saying she doesnt understand why when Cameron just explained why. :wallywink
My dogs know as much about footy as her.
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That's what I hate about taking an interest in Footy. You have to listen to idiots like Shaw. Oh well, I'm addicted to my Tigers so it's a small price to pay.
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Firstly the press will try there hardest to stir up as much trouble as they can on this Collins issue, it isn't that they really believe there is a problem with it in as much as they know or consider that there are some in the supporter ranks that have issue with it.
Secondly, on the Miller issue, it concerns me that Craig Cameron is being swayed in his decision to recruit Miller because he has a strong relationship with him if this is the major giuding factor in recruiting Miller than this is the stsrt of the road to disaster for the richmond football club. This is straight out of jobs for the boys, lets give our mates a job, instead of getting the proper playing personell recruited and established.
Hardwick dont let people screw you over down there, you are the one that will ultimately suffer through their poor decisions, take charge and make sure your getting the best personell you can possibly get, and get someone to at least coordinate with Cameron on the dialogue that is going to spew forth from his mouth in future interviews, Geez he'll bury us.
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I like the way you ignore all that has been said about getting a bigger mature body to help protect the young forwards and concentrate on the relationship between miller and Cameron.
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A very brief interview with Craig Cameron given they (Healy, Russell and Shaw) had to get to Caro.....
* Brad Miller potentially a mature age rookie. Got to go through draft process first. We're a very young list. Moved a number of senior players on last year and lost Cuz, Simmo and Polak to retirement this year. Don't want to be too young and put too much pressure on Jack up forward and the young bodies on our list.
I just dont buy the reasoning to get this dud (apart from Pia). Melbourne are more or less in the same position as us (actually worse when it comes to the fdw line) bc they have a young fwd who is skinny and much greener than Jack Reiwoldt and yet they had no qualms in getting rid of Miller instead of keeping a big body there to take heat of a young skinny Jack Watts. ??? ???
Its just rubbish.
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I like the way you ignore all that has been said about getting a bigger mature body to help protect the young forwards and concentrate on the relationship between miller and Cameron.
I didn't ignore it Al, I just didn't mention it. I don't have a problem with the intention, just the "who" and the "why". I smell the "lets help a mate" rather than "lets help the club"
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Cant believe we would bank pick 30 in a strong draft !
Unless they have hidden gems up their sleeves
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its a disgrace really we need to resort in picking up a dud like Miller. Lets be serious the guy is a great VFL player, thats about it.
We should be spending the money we would pay Miller into an extra development coach for Astbury, Griffiths, Jack and Post.
I wonder if the Pies thought of recruiting a hack like Miller to help out their young forward line of Dawes, Cloke, Sidebottom and Beams.
We dont need Miller and this talk of insurance is a joke. We wont make finals more than likely,so what are we insuring ourselves against
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Burning out kids
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its a disgrace really we need to resort in picking up a dud like Miller. Lets be serious the guy is a great VFL player, thats about it.
We should be spending the money we would pay Miller into an extra development coach for Astbury, Griffiths, Jack and Post.
I wonder if the Pies thought of recruiting a hack like Miller to help out their young forward line of Dawes, Cloke, Sidebottom and Beams.
We dont need Miller and this talk of insurance is a joke. We wont make finals more than likely,so what are we insuring ourselves against
dont you ever give up. :lol
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Burning out kids
How about developing them in the beginning so they dont get burnt out.
If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
I remember once i heard the Pies have 1 development coach for every 3 players. Now whether thats true im not too sure but we lack in this department and im not convinced a Miller recruitment would help.
Did the Pies do it with Dawes, Beams and co
Did the Hawks do it with Buddy and Roughy
Did the Dees do it with Watts and co etc etc etc
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like wanking over the bra section of a target catalogue
can do better
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Burning out kids
you dont burn them out if you rotate them appropriately. Griffiths, Post, Vickery and Astbury can rotate through the year not to mention a 5th if we draft a darling type. We have plenty of options to give experience and spread game time between
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Burning out kids
you dont burn them out if you rotate them appropriately. Griffiths, Post, Vickery and Astbury can rotate through the year not to mention a 5th if we draft a darling type. We have plenty of options to give experience and spread game time between
Unfortunately whilst these players have great potential to take the load of Jack i dont think they will be doing it for at least another season or 2. Saw how tough it can be for Jack towards the end of the season with no other bigger bodied players forward hence the experiments with thursfield and mcguane forward. Having a forward like miller there to hopefully make some defenders more honest and take a few hits for jack seems like a good idea to me. If he dosn't play for Richmond he has great character, hopefully some of which can rub off on the youngsters, and a great looking mrs apparently as well. Whilst the benefits may be minimal of picking him, i cant see any real negatives taking him as a mature age rookie. Melbourne may have gotten rid of him but we are not the demons and may have a particular use for him so i will trust the football dept. on this one.
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this is exactly y u dont listen to this station and its monkeys
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If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
Well seeing the base wage for a rookie is around $35K + set match payments - the cost isn't that great
And I doubt you'd get 2 development coaches for $100k. One yep but not 2 ;D
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Burning out kids
How about developing them in the beginning so they dont get burnt out.
If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
I remember once i heard the Pies have 1 development coach for every 3 players. Now whether thats true im not too sure but we lack in this department and im not convinced a Miller recruitment would help.
Did the Pies do it with Dawes, Beams and co
Did the Hawks do it with Buddy and Roughy
Did the Dees do it with Watts and co etc etc etc
Perhaps you explain how developing kids helps prevent burnout, unless of course by developing you mean not having to play them against the men untill their bodies develop sufficiently?
Chris Dawes drafted 2006
debuted 2008 playing 6 games
played 4 games 2009
played 20 games this year.
beames is not a KPF
franklin is stuff who was big enough to hold his own early on. was his poor form in 2009 due to burnout?
roughhead while not overly solid was not a lightweight either. helped having franklin to share the bullocking work.
watts has been nursed along as well. Hardly has been expected to be a central figure in the forward line at this stage.
dont know about these co blokes, never heard of them..
except hawthorn these sides had mature bodied key forwards which meant the young guys did not have be rushed.
Isnt Millers role going to be as much coach as player anyway?
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I like the way you ignore all that has been said about getting a bigger mature body to help protect the young forwards and concentrate on the relationship between miller and Cameron.
I didn't ignore it Al, I just didn't mention it. I don't have a problem with the intention, just the "who" and the "why". I smell the "lets help a mate" rather than "lets help the club"
So is there someone else we should be looking at to do this role?
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like wanking over the bra section of a target catalogue
can do better
:lol
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like wanking over the bra section of a target catalogue
can do better
but is miller r--tube?
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nah dude miller is the target catalogue
JR is r--tube, or more likely j---hut
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J---hut...lol
Tube G----e. The best of the best
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:gobdrop
R--tube tubeg----e j---hut.
wow that is better than a target catalogue.
I didnt know you could get porn on the interent.
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Firstly the press will try there hardest to stir up as much trouble as they can on this Collins issue, it isn't that they really believe there is a problem with it in as much as they know or consider that there are some in the supporter ranks that have issue with it.
I'm surprised they didn't accuse us of trading away our second highest goalkicker this year after Jack. We know the media will be waiting to beat up the Grigg-Collins trade as a loss so they can say typical Richmond :sleep.
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A very brief interview with Craig Cameron given they (Healy, Russell and Shaw) had to get to Caro.....
* Brad Miller potentially a mature age rookie. Got to go through draft process first. We're a very young list. Moved a number of senior players on last year and lost Cuz, Simmo and Polak to retirement this year. Don't want to be too young and put too much pressure on Jack up forward and the young bodies on our list.
I just dont buy the reasoning to get this dud (apart from Pia). Melbourne are more or less in the same position as us (actually worse when it comes to the fdw line) bc they have a young fwd who is skinny and much greener than Jack Reiwoldt and yet they had no qualms in getting rid of Miller instead of keeping a big body there to take heat of a young skinny Jack Watts. ??? ???
Its just rubbish.
Yep no talk from the Dees of keeping Miller just in case Green or Watts goes down. At least our main goalkicker isn't 29 going on 30 by the start of next season.
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If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
Well seeing the base wage for a rookie is around $35K + set match payments - the cost isn't that great
And I doubt you'd get 2 development coaches for $100k. One yep but not 2 ;D
From the sounds of things Miller will also take on a coaching role even though he's on the list as a mature rookie
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If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
Well seeing the base wage for a rookie is around $35K + set match payments - the cost isn't that great
And I doubt you'd get 2 development coaches for $100k. One yep but not 2 ;D
From the sounds of things Miller will also take on a coaching role even though he's on the list as a mature rookie
Exactly, I was lead to believe he will be signing as a development coach and is being rookied as insurance and why wouldn't we. Miller can play and it would only take Reiwoldt Griffin (Who is suspect anyway) and Astbury or Post to all be injured and our forward line will be screwed big time! I don't have a problem with Miller comming to the club to play either roll, he will be a last resort player and won't be hindering the development of anyone on the list.
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... it would only take Reiwoldt Griffin (Who is suspect anyway) and Astbury or Post to all be injured ...
It's Griffiths. Agree with what you say. :thumbsup
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If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
Well seeing the base wage for a rookie is around $35K + set match payments - the cost isn't that great
And I doubt you'd get 2 development coaches for $100k. One yep but not 2 ;D
From the sounds of things Miller will also take on a coaching role even though he's on the list as a mature rookie
Exactly, I was lead to believe he will be signing as a development coach and is being rookied as insurance and why wouldn't we. Miller can play and it would only take Reiwoldt Griffin (Who is suspect anyway) and Astbury or Post to all be injured and our forward line will be screwed big time! I don't have a problem with Miller comming to the club to play either roll, he will be a last resort player and won't be hindering the development of anyone on the list.
Good post Howler :yep
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If we choose Miller as a rookie what would he cost? 100k. Id rather 2 development coaches instead that can teach these kids how to
get the job done.
Well seeing the base wage for a rookie is around $35K + set match payments - the cost isn't that great
And I doubt you'd get 2 development coaches for $100k. One yep but not 2 ;D
From the sounds of things Miller will also take on a coaching role even though he's on the list as a mature rookie
Exactly, I was lead to believe he will be signing as a development coach and is being rookied as insurance and why wouldn't we. Miller can play and it would only take Reiwoldt Griffin (Who is suspect anyway) and Astbury or Post to all be injured and our forward line will be screwed big time! I don't have a problem with Miller comming to the club to play either roll, he will be a last resort player and won't be hindering the development of anyone on the list.
To me its just being clever and using this new "mature rookie" in a role that has never been done before. Get him to the club as a coach and insurance, very smart.
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What do we need insurance for? If someone goes down promote Westhoff and have a look at him. Or Lawton if we pick him up in the RD.
Keep the list tick-tick-ticking.
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A baby would weigh more than Hoff.
Miller is a gun, we have the flag in the bag :shh :thumbsup
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Here's the link to the audio of Craig Cameron's interview last night [Go from 21.45 - 25.03 ]
http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/AUDIO/121010_sports_today_replay.mp3 (http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/AUDIO/121010_sports_today_replay.mp3)
Just to add Cameron said our lack of midfield depth was shown up by the lack of mids running around at Coburg later on in the season. All were playing at Richmond. So we needed/need to add to our midfield stocks.