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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 19, 2011, 08:14:41 PM
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Next up is Gourdis who turns 22 next month. After 3 years on our list he finally cracked a senior game in the final 3 matches of last season. So what are your expectations for Goo this year and what would be a good year for him?
Career:
Games Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Tackles G.B In50 R50 1%ers
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2010 3 6.0 7.7 13.7 5.7 0.3 0.0 0.3 4.3 7.7
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2049
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2008067
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2011 Richmond Player Countdown - 33 David Gourdis
http://fightingfury.tumblr.com/post/3369798122/2011-richmond-player-countdown-33-david-gourdis
Height: 193cm
Weight: 91kg
DOB: 14/03/89
Draft & Trade History: Pick 1, 2008 Pre-season Draft; Pick 24, 2009 Rookie Draft
After what seemed like an eternity on the Richmond list, Gourdis finally managed make a senior appearance for the Tigers in 2011. David came to Richmond as an extremely athletic key forward player but has instead developed into a key defender for the club. While he wasn’t outstanding in his 3 games last season, he did enough to warrant promotion to the senior list in 2011 which should mean we see more of him this year.
The big attribute that Gourdis possesses is speed. This will no doubt help him cover the more athletic forwards in the game but with the way footy is going he will also need to learn how to dispose of the ball better. David also seems to be handy at reading the play and taking a mark in the backline, a very handy attribute that could see him play a vital role in future Richmond teams. I’m expecting we will see quite a lot of Gourdis in 2011 as Hardwick attempts to sort through which key defenders he believes can take Richmond to their next premiership but he will have plenty of competition from the likes of Grimes, McGuane and Thursfield. May the best man win!
http://fightingfury.tumblr.com/post/3369798122/2011-richmond-player-countdown-33-david-gourdis
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15-18 games
I reckon will be the first choice for FB but not sure he will the make round 1 team
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Some people reckon this blokes got no future because the likes of McGuane are just so far ahead of him :lol :lol :lol
I have confidence in the kid. Apparently hasn't had a good pre-season but I don't give a poo :-\ I reckon he'll be playing quality footy for Coburg (like he did all last season) and will be promoted soon enough. Great pace, good strength and is hard at it. His kicking wasn't actually bad when he was in the ones.
Hope he plays at least 8 games
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15-18 games
I reckon will be the first choice for FB but not sure he will the make round 1 team
hmm i reckon thursfield will be their first choice fb. im hoping he will be given the opportunity this yr to be the first choice fb as i reckon he would be an upgrade on both thursfield and mcguane. in saying that he may be a temporary upgrade why. well those of us who are critical of mcguane are critical of the lack of smarts brain fades and poor foot skills thursfield because you get very little out of him.
i tend to think if we are to replace mcguane we should be doing because we want a better thinker and user can we say for certain that is the case with gourdis.
to me the real long term fb on the list is grimes.
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15-18 games
I reckon will be the first choice for FB but not sure he will the make round 1 team
I agree, i think David will play most games this year and well. And i think he would be perfect for round 1 playing on Waite.
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None. Can't kick.
Others will be preferred unless there are a raft of injuries.
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I think in the last 5 years premiership teams have been built on a very very strong defence and a great midfield. Not so much a great forward line with the exception of hawthorn who fluked it 3 years too early but played a very agressive defensive style.
With this in mind it's so important to get the defence right. I really hope that big Gourdis is the goods because if he's not we've wasted so much time on him. We really need a good young defence now to compliment our young gun mids coming through.
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None. Can't kick.
Others will be preferred unless there are a raft of injuries.
He's a better kick than Hislop :lol maybe even "Lukey Luke" who the coteries just adore :-*
Gaspar was close to the best FB we've had in 20 years and he couldn't kick for poo either
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Gaspar was close to the best FB we've had in 20 years and he couldn't kick for poo either
Gotta disagree Davey - Gas was a good kick - alot better than people think. ;D
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Maybe it was better than what some think, but I wouldn't class his kicking as good :o I got rather nervous when Gas had possession of the ball ;D
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The Gas, pre knee was a good player. His kicking (previously not great anyway) and everything else dropped away after it.
Times have changed since then though. To be a top side you must have players who can dispose of the football reliably by foot. Especially in defence.
Gourdis is not that player.
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McGuane isn't either...ditto Rance. Connors is a turn over merchant, his dream team stats are irrelevant. ;D
Not everyone has to be a brilliant user of the ball to play down back. If you're a very good stopper then you will get a game. The big fellas kicking was sound when he played ones last year.
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Maybe it was better than what some think, but I wouldn't class his kicking as good :o I got rather nervous when Gas had possession of the ball ;D
I always had great confidence in Gas when he was having a shot a goal :thumbsup Great set shot for goal; just didn't happen often enough ;D
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McGuane isn't either...ditto Rance. Connors is a turn over merchant, his dream team stats are irrelevant. ;D
All those guys are a better kick of the footy than Gourdis.
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You said you need guys who are reliable by foot. Those I named have proven not to be reliable by foot. Gourdis was reliable by foot in his games for Richmond last year :shh ;D Clearly he should be playing.
In all seriousness, if his form is very good in pre-season then he should play.
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You said you need guys who are reliable by foot. Those I named have proven not to be reliable by foot. Gourdis was reliable by foot in his games for Richmond last year :shh ;D Clearly he should be playing.
In all seriousness, if his form is very good in pre-season then he should play.
We'll see.
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McGuane isn't either...ditto Rance. Connors is a turn over merchant, his dream team stats are irrelevant. ;D
All those guys are a better kick of the footy than Gourdis.
connors might be a better kick than gourdis but from the little i've seen of the goo he doesnt just blaze away like connors is prone to.
For all the talk i heard about how bad his kicking is I didnt see to much evidence of it when he played seniors.
He looks awkward, but up to now has been effective.
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Believe Thursfield better player at the moment than him but I believe there could be a role for him in the side. Needs to play at least 10 games this season . Needs to improve his kicking. While Gaspar's kicking was not great at times his ability to spoil and tackle was first class.
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As far as kicking goes, Gourdis makes Gaspar look like Duncan Kellaway with a Wayne Carey Mask on.
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As far as kicking goes, Gourdis makes Gaspar look like Duncan Kellaway with a Wayne Carey Mask on.
Shame his kicking efficiency from his 3 games last year was 87%, which was the best of any of our defenders last year
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Shame his kicking efficiency from his 3 games last year was 87%, which was the best of any of our defenders last year
18 kicks is hardly a convincing sample.
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Shame his kicking efficiency from his 3 games last year was 87%, which was the best of any of our defenders last year
18 kicks is hardly a convincing sample.
Still means that 16 out of 18 kicks were effective.
I love how people will argue against stats when it goes against their argument
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Don't rate him, so my expectations are low. Hope he proves me wrong.
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For us to move forward this year we need players like Gourdis to improve and i hope he is given plenty of game time this year to nail down that FB position. Unfortunately, Thursfield is not the answer at FB IMO.
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Shame his kicking efficiency from his 3 games last year was 87%, which was the best of any of our defenders last year
18 kicks is hardly a convincing sample.
Still means that 16 out of 18 kicks were effective.
I love how people will argue against stats when it goes against their argument
So Infamy are you saying that he is an elite kick?
Because that is what the "statistics" tell us?
I love how people take a one dimensional approach to statistics when it supports their argument.
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Where did Inf say that? The stats prove that his kicking was fine last year.
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I love how people take a one dimensional approach to statistics when it supports their argument.
Aah the irony.
Where did Inf say that? The stats prove that his kicking was fine last year.
If he had one kick and it hit a target I suppose that would also show his kicking is fine.
I don't need stats I have seen this guy at training regularly struggle to hit the side of a barn in simple drills.
If you want a player like that in your back half then good luck to you.
Fortunately I think our coaches won't.
Like I said we'll see who's right about Gourdis.
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Shame his kicking efficiency from his 3 games last year was 87%, which was the best of any of our defenders last year
18 kicks is hardly a convincing sample.
Still means that 16 out of 18 kicks were effective.
I love how people will argue against stats when it goes against their argument
So Infamy are you saying that he is an elite kick?
Because that is what the "statistics" tell us?
I love how people take a one dimensional approach to statistics when it supports their argument.
Of course I'm not saying that, don't put words in my mouth.
I'm just highlighting that for his entire AFL senior career so far he hasn't shown what you accuse him of
He doesn't look natural kick of the ball, but it hasn't cost us in any of his games so far
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Shame his kicking efficiency from his 3 games last year was 87%, which was the best of any of our defenders last year
18 kicks is hardly a convincing sample.
Still means that 16 out of 18 kicks were effective.
I love how people will argue against stats when it goes against their argument
So Infamy are you saying that he is an elite kick?
Because that is what the "statistics" tell us?
I love how people take a one dimensional approach to statistics when it supports their argument.
Of course I'm not saying that, don't put words in my mouth.
I'm just highlighting that for his entire AFL senior career so far he hasn't shown what you accuse him of
He doesn't look natural kick of the ball, but it hasn't cost us in any of his games so far
"So far".... Give him time. From what I've seen he is a dreadful kick technically that may cost us in drive out of the back line. I'm only going on training reports and what I've seen on the tele (Coburg highlights and his limited AFL exposure) which isn't a huge amount but are there any regular Coburg watchers here who would care to put your 2 cents in as first hand experience watching him play over a full season is far better than a tiny smattering of statistics.
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Stop writing a bloke off for something he hasn't bloody done yet!!!
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Will be lucky to be in our starting 22.
Should play about 10 games top after all it took him most of the year before he got a game last year.
You would have hoped he played in the 1st Nab cup game but could not get a game.
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Not writing him off completely Infamy. He does have some upside in that he is very quick and a has a solid build but his kicking technique IMO needs some serious attention. We already have a quick bigger bodied backman in Rance who struggles with his kicking. We can't afford to carry two of these types.
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It doesnt matter what his kicking looks like as long as he hits the target. Remember the krakouers?
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I am a big supporter of David.
Unfortunately it appears that he is "stagnating" and hasn't come on as hoped over the preseason according to my mail.
The fact he didnt play nab cup and isnt named in the team for this friday is not a good sign.
Hopefully David turns it around and gets some games this year....
Go Gourdis Go!!
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club 80 would be your mail :rollin
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The fact he didnt play nab cup and isnt named in the team for this friday is not a good sign.
For a fringe player coming into his 4th year on our list and needing gametime with just 3 senior games under his belt, it definitely isn't a good sign. It appears from the outside given he hasn't played so far that his papers have been stamped and it'll be very unlikely he'll be at Punt Rd this time next year.
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Good heavens. Quit now Goo, you're not in the prac match v Port :o
The February champs will be found out soon enough ;D
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The fact he didnt play nab cup and isnt named in the team for this friday is not a good sign.
For a fringe player coming into his 4th year on our list and needing gametime with just 3 senior games under his belt, it definitely isn't a good sign. It appears from the outside given he hasn't played so far that his papers have been stamped and it'll be very unlikely he'll be at Punt Rd this time next year.
And he can't kick!!! (just joking Infamy)
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Not going to disagree with that HRT ;)
Good heavens. Quit now Goo, you're not in the prac match v Port :o
The February champs will be found out soon enough ;D
If Goo was a walk-up start in the our best 22 you wouldn't care about him not being named in any of our preseason games but he isn't. Unless he's carrying some injury he should be playing as a fringe player coming into his 4th year.
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Is Andrew Browne playing? Did Gus and the new dude get chosen before him? Is he finished?
For stuff sake it is February. :cheers Let's wait until round 1 before we write blokes off or make much of being left out of a pre-season hit out :police:
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All our KP defenders lack class bar Astbury.
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Is Andrew Browne playing? Did Gus and the new dude get chosen before him? Is he finished?
For eff sake it is February. :cheers Let's wait until round 1 before we write blokes off or make much of being left out of a pre-season hit out :police:
That hasn't stopped us before ;D.
Browne is a big ruckman and about 16 months younger than Goo. If BrownE is still on fringe and being overlooked in two years time in favour of younger teammates then his place on the list will be questioned too. It may be only February but 22 year olds (near enough) like Goo need gametime and to start showing at least something.
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All our KP defenders lack class bar Astbury.
True that. Need another tall defender who can use the ball skilfully and reliably. All have strengths and weaknesses. 'Half-full' types.
McGuane:
P - Reasonable size & strength, great endeavour, good support play, good spoil/closing speed, can run the ball, good 1%s.
N - Adequate to poor decision making and disposal.
Thursfield:
P - Good spoil/closing speed, fairly safe by foot and hand, makes reasonable decisions.
N - Too light/small to be a genuine KPF, not creative enough with ball in hand, poor support play and 1%s.
Rance:
P - Good size & strength, great endeavour, hard at the ball.
N - Adequate to poor decision making and disposal. Weak overhead.
Post:
P - Good overhead, reasonable disposal & decision making.
N - Slow, raw defensively.
Gourdis:
P: Good spoil/closing speed, great athleticism.
N: Poor disposal and decision making.
That I see. McGuane is still the pick of the bunch to play FB but we need to do find another option ASAP.
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All our KP defenders lack class bar Astbury.
True that. Need another tall defender who can use the ball skilfully and reliably. All have strengths and weaknesses. 'Half-full' types.
McGuane:
P - Reasonable size & strength, great endeavour, good support play, good spoil/closing speed, can run the ball, good 1%s.
N - Adequate to poor decision making and disposal.
Thursfield:
P - Good spoil/closing speed, fairly safe by foot and hand, makes reasonable decisions.
N - Too light/small to be a genuine KPF, not creative enough with ball in hand, poor support play and 1%s.
Rance:
P - Good size & strength, great endeavour, hard at the ball.
N - Adequate to poor decision making and disposal. Weak overhead.
Post:
P - Good overhead, reasonable disposal & decision making.
N - Slow, raw defensively.
Gourdis:
P: Good spoil/closing speed, great athleticism.
N: Poor disposal and decision making.
That I see. McGuane is still the pick of the bunch to play FB but we need to do find another option ASAP.
A question magic man. Is this based on your own observations from watching him a bit at Coburg or is this based on internet reputation?
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The fact he didnt play nab cup and isnt named in the team for this friday is not a good sign.
For a fringe player coming into his 4th year on our list and needing gametime with just 3 senior games under his belt, it definitely isn't a good sign. It appears from the outside given he hasn't played so far that his papers have been stamped and it'll be very unlikely he'll be at Punt Rd this time next year.
MT I agree with your first sentence esp about needing gametime. I dont agree with the papers being stamped column. Dimma has shown he is happy to let the player's form do the talking. A year ago tuck morton and kingy looked "stamped" but by their individual performances they turned things around...only mcmahon wasnt used last year/didnt try to turn it around
Back to Goo - one thing he brings to the table with his supreme speed/athleticsm is run and drive out of the backline that someone such as thursty doenst bring. But he needs options up field to kick it to which assists in the decision making aspect...the wingmen and hff need to be mobile and not static.
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A question magic man. Is this based on your own observations from watching him a bit at Coburg or is this based on internet reputation?
Yes this is based on my obs. Seen him in 2 games for Coburg(3 for Richmond) as well at training a few times recently.
The flaws in his game are clearly there for anyone who cares to look & I truly believe they will reveal themselves at AFL level.
Has had a poor pre season and don't expect him to play seniors any time soon. The coaches see it too.
This is not a Gourdis witch hunt al, I was hoping he'd make it as much as anyone but I have major doubts he will.
We'll see.
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Ok, fair enough MM.
Cheers