One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 02, 2011, 12:25:56 AM
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There's going to be pressure on the Club not to play Jack next week with concussion all in the news.
So should Jack play next week or should we give him the week off?
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For what it's worth I reckon it was mark. Looked to have s very similar amount of the ball as Gary ablett mark o the century
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Astounding that Richmond will be put under pressure about this and yet Lions (Clark) and Carlton (Waite) are not questioned this week.
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he willl and should play
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Tom Harley can get stuffed. Mouthing off saying that Jack handled himself poorly when told he was unfit to return to the field. What a flog, from a former player and dual premiership player that's a pathetic comment.
Can't believe he expects a player to sit there and smile and nod and say "Sure I will just sit on the pine for the rest of the game" What a knob. Wait till this happens in a GF and see how a player reacts you deadbeat Harley.
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Forget what Harley said, tv commentators are paid to say in situations such as these what the AFL want to hear and want the masses to think is the norm. I remember in the 2008 Grand Final Harley came back onto the ground groggy after half time. :-\
I would've liked to see his reaction in the 2008 GF if he was told he was unfit to return.
Hypocritical to say the least Tom. Did he make a comment on the pros and cons on Selwood taking a four hour flight to Perth and playing this week?
Jack should, can and will play next week. :thumbsup
The fact Jack is how he is suggests all the kid wants to do is play footy and he'll be chomping at the bit to get out there next week and make sure he makes a contribution and plays. :bow
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I reckon Hardwick made the call on subbing Jack when he started going off. Message from Damien to Jack - don't put down anyone in your team, player or official, no individual is bigger than the club regardless of how well-meaning your intentions are.
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I love what Dimma said post match when asked if he was disappointed with Jack's reaction! He said no, thats what makes Jack a great player, he wanted to be out there and win a game of footy! I would be disappointed if Jack did not want to go back out there!
Personally, if it happened last year, he would come back on! Whether that is the right choice or not is debatable but Hellbig did not let us down!
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Will play 100%
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id say so, on a scale of 1-10 , looked not too bad, wasn't like he was comatosed for 2 minutes. i'm sure they will do the tests and he'll be ok :thumbsup
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I reckon Hardwick made the call on subbing Jack when he started going off. Message from Damien to Jack - don't put down anyone in your team, player or official, no individual is bigger than the club regardless of how well-meaning your intentions are.
It's not Hardwick's call. Its the doctor's call.
EDIT: And watch the presser. I reckon you're wrong.
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Riewoldt expected to face Hawks
richmondfc.com.au
11:21 AM Sat 02 Apr, 2011
Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt is expected to take his place in the Richmond team for Round 3 after recovering well from a head knock in last night’s game against St Kilda.
Riewoldt landed awkwardly in a marking contest during the first quarter and played no further part in the match.
“Jack has pulled up well this morning and is showing no ill-effects from his concussion,” Richmond Elite Performance Manager Matthew Hornsby said.
“We’ll continue to monitor him throughout the week, but at this stage we expect him to play against Hawthorn on Saturday night.”
Riewoldt was seen remonstrating with Richmond’s medical staff during the first half, before being replaced by substitute Brad Helbig.
“Being agitated and emotional are common reactions to concussions, and we’ve seen that on numerous occasions,” Hornsby said.
“The decision by the medical team to not allow him back on the field was absolutely the right one. In our view he was not fit to see out the match.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/110657/default.aspx
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YES
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I reckon Hardwick made the call on subbing Jack when he started going off. Message from Damien to Jack - don't put down anyone in your team, player or official, no individual is bigger than the club regardless of how well-meaning your intentions are.
It's not Hardwick's call. Its the doctor's call.
EDIT: And watch the presser. I reckon you're wrong.
Yeah, I know it's the Doc's call but it's still Hardwick's call on when he decides to sub him. And as we saw last week, it is a very thick and very gray line between what the medicos say and what the football dept do. Despite that, I agree with you that the Doc made the call and Hardwick acknowledged that in the press conference but....................I still believe that the story put forward in his press conference about not having a problem with Jack's demeanour will be different to what he thinks and how he deals with it behind the team door.
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Jack on twitter today:
"Little sleep last night, doc made the right call but as u could see I was shattered I couldnt play on.Boys made me proud"
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Richmond forward Jack Riewoldt's spat put down to concussion
Bruce Matthews
Herald Sun
April 03, 2011
RICHMOND spearhead Jack Riewoldt was concussed and clearly unfit to return to action against St Kilda at the MCG on Friday night.
That was the verdict from Tigers coach Damien Hardwick and the club's elite performance manager, Matthew Hornsby, who fully supported the decision of the club's medical staff to sideline the reigning Coleman medallist.
The high-flying Riewoldt landed awkwardly in a marking contest in the first quarter and played no further part in the match, despite his protests.
The star full-forward remonstrated with medical staff in the first half, before being replaced by substitute Brad Helbig.
"Being agitated and emotional are common reactions to concussions, and we've seen that on numerous occasions," Hornsby said yesterday. On the club's website, he said: "The decision by the medical team to not allow him back on the field was absolutely the right one. In our view, he was not fit to see out the match."
"The medical staff made the right decision because he definitely had concussion - you only have to look at the video to see him staggering around," Hardwick said.
"Players will always say they are right, but the doctors make good decisions, and that is what we pay them for."
Hardwick said he didn't take much notice of vision of Riewoldt demanding he was fit to return to the action.
"The thing I love about Jack is that he is passionate," he said.
"I didn't take anything from it (his antics). He is a great kid and we move on. You do become irrational (when you are concussed) and it can take a fair bit out of you."
Riewoldt is expected to play against Hawthorn after recovering well yesterday.
"Jack has pulled up well this morning and is showing no ill-effects from his concussion," Hornsby said. "We'll continue to monitor him throughout the week, but at this stage we expect him to play on Saturday night."
Riewoldt tweeted yesterday morning: "Very minimal sleep last night, doc made the right call but as you could see I was shattered that I couldn't play on. The boys made me proud."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-lead-saints-despite-jack-riewoldt-suffering-concussion/story-e6frf9jf-1226032605562
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Riewoldt: Doc made right call
Chloe Saltau
The Age
April 3, 2011
JACK Riewoldt yesterday conceded the medical team that prevented him from returning to the field against St Kilda on Friday night was right to withstand his furious protests.
Riewoldt pointed and yelled at Richmond officials at quarter-time, imploring them not to substitute him out of the game after he hit his head hard on the MCG turf when tumbling from an attempted high mark, remonstrating from the bench when the decision was made.
While the Tigers excused his behaviour on the grounds that such agitation can be a symptom of concussion, the irrepressible forward said he was simply shattered when replaced by substitute Brad Helbig during the second quarter of the drawn match.
''Very minimal sleep last night,'' Riewoldt told his Twitter followers. ''Doc made the right call but as you could see I was shattered that I couldn't play on. The boys made me proud.''
The incident provided another dramatic test of the AFL's new concussion guidelines, and came after the league's football operations boss Adrian Anderson called on players, as well as club medical staff and the AFL, to take responsibility for concussion.
In this instance, Richmond doctor Greg Hickey had to withstand significant pressure from the furious player, and later confided in former Tiger champion Matthew Richardson that the decision to keep Riewoldt from returning to the field was the hardest he had made in his career as an AFL doctor.
While Richardson speculated that Riewoldt might have been allowed back on in previous years, the call backed up Anderson's assertion that it is more difficult for players to push the envelope nowadays because the concussion tests used by doctors are more sophisticated.
The Coleman medallist, whose legs were limp as he was helped from the field, reported feeling unwell after half-time, but Richmond expects him to be fit for Saturday night's clash with Hawthorn at the MCG.
''Jack has pulled up well this morning and is showing no ill-effects from his concussion,'' Richmond's elite performance manager Matthew Hornsby said.
''We'll continue to monitor him throughout the week, but at this stage we expect him to play against Hawthorn on Saturday night. Being agitated and emotional are common reactions to concussions, and we've seen that on numerous occasions.
''The decision … not to allow him back on the field was absolutely the right one. In our view he was not fit to see out the match.''
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick also defended the ill-tempered performance of his star player, after the Tigers fought back to draw the match without him. ''That's his passion, that's why he's a good player - he's a passionate kid,'' Hardwick said after the game.
''The doc made a good call; at the end of the day he wasn't right to come back on.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/riewoldt-doc-made-right-call-20110402-1csk2.html
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Newy on Ch 7's gameday this morning.....
Richmond spearhead Jack Riewoldt was concussed during the game and remonstrated with club officials who refused to allow him to return to action.
"I had to pull him up a couple of times," Newman said.
"He was a little bit emotional which is how he plays his footy and how we like it.
"We don't want him to change and go away with that but I think the concussion can have those sort of effects, it was almost like an emotional rollercoaster for him.
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8232172
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will definitely play
as for the ninnies(so called experts) trying to make this an issue... pfft
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I laughed watching a replay when he pointed to the medical staff at 1/4 time saying "don't you sub me off."
(if it had been the st kilda huddle they have replied that they wern't offering :P)
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He will play
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A Saints fan just dobbed her own supporters in on 3aw about cheering when Jack went down and was carried off then cheering even louder when he was subbed out. St Kilda fans have always been classy ::).
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Yep we had an imbecile Saints supporter doing the same thing behind us before i told her what i thought of her then she threatened to report me for anti social behaviour. Go figure!! :banghead :banghead
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don't most saints supporters live in frankston? explains a lot
then again so do i :laugh:
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Jack's right to go :thumbsup
Hardwick said there were no doubts over the fitness of forward Jack Riewoldt, who was subbed out of last Friday's draw after being concussed in the first quarter.
"There's no ill effects. He'll be out here full of beans today and he's ready to go, which is great because people love to come and see him play," he said.
"He's going to give the opposition some headaches again. As we found last week, we spread our goal-kickers around so we'll be looking for a similar result this week."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/111171/default.aspx
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One of the big positives out of last weeks game was our unpredictability in the forwardline. We still kicked it long into the forwardline but tried to bring it to ground, crumb a goal or keep it in the F50. We had an amazing percentage of entries verus goals at one stage. I would never suggest leaving Jack out but I wonder how this will effect our forward structure, predictability and midfield crumbers? :-\
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I guess that's why Dimma wants Jack to mix it up and at times push up high up towards the 50 arc with Vickery playing out of the goalsquare. I can't really see Gilham or Gibson holding Jack one-on-one. Clarkson will probably start Gilham on Jack and use Gibson as 3rd man up. Whoever gets Gibson needs to play and lead away from Jack. Hodge will probably play in front of Jack in that "quarterback" role he plays although he's underdone. Another reason why it's important to have two leads away from each other as Hodge can't sit in front both. It's then up to our midfield to hit the more open lead.
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Stratton will take Jack
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Stratton will take Jack
I hope so as Jack at 195cm, 93kg would be too big, strong and footy smart for Stratton one-on-one.
Stratton 189cm, 82kg
Gilham 192cm, 86kg
Gibson 189cm, 92kg
Surely Gilham then Gibson would get Jack before Stratton.
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Firstly Jack is not 195cm, even he admits that
Also Stratton is a very good up and coming young defender, he doesn't get beaten often
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secondly, dozen sausage rolls if the midfield get it in to jack 1-on-1 enough and Stratton stays with him all game, he'll be moved after 3 if clarko isn't concussed
If Stratton plays on him it will be because the Hawks expect to have the midfield dominance and us bombing it in under pressure with Gilham and Gibson chopping it out and running off, not because they rate Stratton to take JR8 out - Jack has ten kegs on him, more smarts and a huge leap
Bit like Grimes v Franklin
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Buddy may have experience on Grimes but i doubt if he has more smarts
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Firstly Jack is not 195cm, even he admits that
Also Stratton is a very good up and coming young defender, he doesn't get beaten often
As GG said even if you ignore the height difference there's a 10kg difference between Jack and Stratton. Jack would easily just outposition Stratton with his body strength and footy smarts one-on-one. Stratton may bulk up more and become a good defender in time but right now he isn't the match-up to handle our Jack.
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Jack will kick min 6. Ground skills in the wet :thumbsup
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Jack will kick min 6. Ground skills in the wet :thumbsup
your prediction is not looking so good DD.
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According to walls, Schulz is out for Richmond.... ???
Effing nob
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Is jack still suffering concussion?
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Rewoldt thinks his bigger than the club & can act as he chooses, Needs a wake up call & 4 weeks at Coburg. Joel Bowden copped it so l expect the same for Rewoldt
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Rewoldt thinks his bigger than the club & can act as he chooses, Needs a wake up call & 4 weeks at Coburg. Joel Bowden copped it so l expect the same for Rewoldt
Gee 4 weeks is a bit much.
Judging by your name you really only want Jack out for next week. :wallywink
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Rewoldt thinks his bigger than the club & can act as he chooses, Needs a wake up call & 4 weeks at Coburg. Joel Bowden copped it so l expect the same for Rewoldt
Gee 4 weeks is a bit much.
Judging by your name you really only want Jack out for next week. :wallywink
oh my get the :police:
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Have to say, having watched the replay this morning Jack's body language was reminiscent of the bad Richo days when everyone used to get on here and sook & moan about the Richo's heart on the sleeve antics...
Didn't look good ;D
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I noticed that Ma Powell in N7 wasnt happy with jacks efforts either ;)