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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 12, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
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What will be a pass mark for us? :-\
Sportal is predicting a 75 point flogging :help
This is the sort of game which could get really, really ugly for Tigers. They are ripe for the picking after being battered mentally and physically by the Hawks last week and Collingwood are convinced they are not playing their best football yet and need to improve. As one former player put it, they are a grasshopper stuck in a pen full of chooks.
It is hard to see a single part of the ground where the Tigers are going to get any joy .... It all adds up to a significant footballing lesson for the young Tigers, who will be happy to escape this one with a defeat under 50 points.
Collingwood by 75
Full preview here:
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-richmond-v-collingwood-118395
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I was trying not to think about it until Friday morning ;D
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I was trying not to think about it until Friday morning ;D
Well cull the thread until then! (I won't complain)
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30 to 35 points would be a pass for mine, no blow out quarters..........
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4 quarter effort.
Win the ball at all costs.
Tackling.
Helping teamates. Shepherding, blocking. Defensive pressure.
And if a teamates gets knocked over or harassed....ALL IN!!!
:gotigers
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I have an idea, why don't we just pretend it's a bye. Lets just forget it all together this week and move onto next week...
I will be happy with a defeat under 10-12 goals.
Need I say it again, if we don't get out of the boxes quick enough and they get 3-5 goals up in the first 7-8 minutes......GOODNIGHT!!
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Or maybe we try this..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/crash-course-only-way-to-beat-collingwood/story-fn7si1rb-1226038089382
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And if a teamates gets knocked over or harassed....ALL IN!!!
:gotigers
only thing we had to cheer about that game a couple of years ago where Kingy caused a little bit of a stir. more of it, i say!
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They are trying to advertise the game as a battle between each club's army of supporters. Even have a video promoting it.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/111528/default.aspx
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And if a teamates gets knocked over or harassed....ALL IN!!!
:gotigers
only thing we had to cheer about that game a couple of years ago where Kingy caused a little bit of a stir. more of it, i say!
yes and wasnt it good to see Tom Hislop out on the wing make a fool out of himself.
If you can play and back it up then go for it. Hislop made a fool out of himself as did Brown and i think Bowden when they stood by and did nothing. Like the innocent bystanders from Seinfelds last episode they stood by and watched their mate get slaughtered
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Since Hardwick has taken over Kingy has taken the sniping out of his game and concentrated his aggression in a more controlled manner. He is a much better player for it and I hope he doesn't get sucked in to stupidity against the filth.
"we lost the game but won the fights" is for suburban hack thugs who will never go anywhere.
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From the AFL website:
HEAD TO HEAD: Richmond 44 wins, Collingwood 112 wins, one draw
::)
Top shelf research from the governing body
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Since Hardwick has taken over Kingy has taken the sniping out of his game and concentrated his aggression in a more controlled manner. He is a much better player for it and I hope he doesn't get sucked in to stupidity against the filth.
"we lost the game but won the fights" is for suburban hack thugs who will never go anywhere.
controlled aggression if you can back it up on the score board is great but seeing a hack like Hislop just throw his weight around was damm right embarrassing that game.
Kingy has come a long way. He has his doubters but i got time for him. Every club needs a small like him just one though not 15 as we seem to have
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AFL site has tipped the Pies by 40
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111541/default.aspx
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Collingwood are not a machine..
Short pre-season into NAB Cup and they've been up for around ten weeks.
Reckon they may be looking ahead to their bigger games (Incl the Anzac Day clash) and may drop in intensity (Here's hoping)
A 6 goal loss I'd consider a 'win'.
:police:
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Not point getting in a punch on will just get suspensions. If we lose by less than 30 points that would be a respectable result given where we are at the moment. To do that we need to increase our intensity around the ball, need to tackle hard, back up team mates and use the ball more efficiently. King to me as improved drastically. Like in the Hawks game he sets a good .example.
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pass mark is a win, no team is unbeatable. and certainly not collingwood. saying that, they will be too big for us, we havent the height
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Geez! Yeah! Um! WOW! Where do we start? Hate that teams have a poor performance then need a rocket to fire them up the week after. Will alas be all to fruitless, but expect us to play with a bit more intensity and hopefully no rain can give our boys a bit more of a run at it. In the end the Bigger bodies and entrenched game plan will most probably win out but if I see the endeavour and Collingwood are not mucking around I can settle for 5-6 goal loss, not that I will like it but will settle for it.
And as for a win, well I will be there in hope after all it is 2 horse race isn't it! besides we have to start taking corners one day :gotigers
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Darren Jolly is out for the PissPies :thumbsup - Cam Wood in :santa
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Darren Jolly is out for the pissPies :thumbsup - Cam Wood in :santa
Jolly out eh....wow....now we have no chance of winning instead of absolutely no chance of winning.
Maybe if 20 of their GF side were out our odds would come down to extremely slim chance of winning.
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Since Hardwick has taken over Kingy has taken the sniping out of his game and concentrated his aggression in a more controlled manner. He is a much better player for it and I hope he doesn't get sucked in to stupidity against the filth.
"we lost the game but won the fights" is for suburban hack thugs who will never go anywhere.
like Brendan Fevola ;)
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no backline to combat Dawes, Cloke, Brown, Jolly, thier smalls will destroy our lazy players. Sadly we going down by 120+ pts ;D l be there regardless of any results watching Kingy beat up Krakouer & his relations ;D
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no backline to combat Dawes, Cloke, Brown, Jolly, thier smalls will destroy our lazy players. Sadly we going down by 120+ pts ;D l be there regardless of any results watching Kingy beat up Krakouer & his relations ;D
Sitting with your fellow Collingwood members I assume?
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From Hardwick's press conference today....
Richmond has not beaten Collingwood since 2007, when Brett Deledio kicked five goals, and Hardwick is hopeful his star midfielder will be at his best tomorrow night.
"(Deledio) was really good against (Brendon) Goddard (in Round 2), last week he was a little bit quieter so we look forward to a big game from him again this week.''
While clearly excited by the challenge, Hardwick is under no illusions.
"They are very good, they're a great side. Well disciplined, well coached ... they're something we aspire to be ... we very much look forward to taking them on and seeing how we compete with the best side in the competition," Hardwick said.
Hardwick believes his side will be competitive against the premier and said "the great thing about our guys is they never give up''.
"Every side's got their weak spots ... we think there's a couple of areas that we can exploit them but we need everything going right for us to get that going."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-likely-to-recall-defender-will-thursfield-to-face-collingwood/story-e6frf9jf-1226039080905
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Not point getting in a punch on will just get suspensions. If we lose by less than 30 points that would be a respectable result given where we are at the moment. To do that we need to increase our intensity around the ball, need to tackle hard, back up team mates and use the ball more efficiently. King to me as improved drastically. Like in the Hawks game he sets a good .example.
Good post and great work by Dimma! Keep the faith :cheers Still think we'll be smashed but the coach makes me think it will be only a 2 digit rogering rather than than a three figure smashing. Obviously challenging Lids too.
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Krakouer to kick 6 to rub it in :banghead. We seem to have trouble stopping the small forwards. Blair will probably kick 4 as well.
That's one reason I reckon we will get smashed. 80 points minimum.
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Richmond a fair chance: Hardwick
Martin Blake
April 15, 2011
RICHMOND is setting itself for the challenge of playing defending premier Collingwood tonight with the knowledge few expect the Tigers to even get close.
Coach Damien Hardwick argued yesterday that his team had a chance of toppling Goliath, so long as its contested possession and tackle counts were adequate.
''The great thing about our guys is they never give up,'' he said. ''We're capable of kicking a winning score, defensively we're capable of competing. Turnover-wise we actually manage to turn over the ball a hell of a lot from our opponents. We think we're a fair chance. Every side's got their weak spots. They're the reigning premiers so they've got less than most sides. We think there's a couple of areas we can exploit but we need everything going right to do that.''
Hardwick dismissed the public expectation of a walkover at the MCG. ''I think it's wrong. The scoreboard is an end point. We've just got to worry about the process of how we play offensively and defensively. Stoppages are going to be very important this week. We matched Hawthorn in that last week, the inside-50 count was OK, we have to clean up our ball use inside 50 … We kicked 6.16 last week, if that's 12.10 or something like that the scoreboard actually looks a bit better.''
Hardwick acknowledges Collingwood is ''a great side'' but looks on tonight's game as a test.
''They're something we aspire to be,'' he said. ''We're a fair way behind in development. They've been playing together for five or six years now, we're in year two. We very much look forward to taking them on and seeing how we compete against the best side in the competition.''
The Tigers have moved on from Jack Riewoldt's outbursts last weekend, which drew a $900 fine from the AFL. ''Look, he's disappointed in his actions and rightly so,'' said Hardwick. ''But I see worse things on Video Hits when my kids are watching it on Saturday morning, to be perfectly honest. He's just got to learn that full-forwards are always going to be under scrutiny … He'll learn to control his emotions and keep them in check.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-a-stuff-20110414-1dfzc.html
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Krakouer to kick 6 to rub it in :banghead. We seem to have trouble stopping the small forwards. Blair will probably kick 4 as well.
That's one reason I reckon we will get smashed. 80 points minimum.
Blair wont kick 4 - he's "too small"! :P
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Richo and Hardwick previewing the Pies game....
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/347046/roar-preview-round-4/
The plan:
* win contested footy and tackles stat
* get our fair share of uncontested footy
* get turnovers inside forward 50.
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LOL @ fair chance Brad Helbig gets reported.
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No backward steps: Hardwick
richmondfc.com.au
By Jason Phelan
Fri 15 Apr, 2011
RICHMOND faces its toughest test of the season with a big Friday night match-up against reigning premier Collingwood, and coach Damien Hardwick says his side is up for the challenge.
Full article at:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/111742/default.aspx
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For those interested AIS U17s vs Geelong VFL is the curtain raiser to the Tigers/Pies game tonight.
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We're at $10.35 tonight with the bookies. 48.5 points is the line :P
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Geez that's tempting :-\
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Geez that's tempting :-\
Lmao ;D
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Don't you start.
I took notice of you last week and lost everything i won the week before. :whistle
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Don't you start.
I took notice of you last week and lost everything i won the week before. :whistle
Lmao (again!) ;D
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:lol
prick
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Toodles I'm off :gotigers
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Wish me luck.
im off
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:gotigers
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
You are starting to sound like one ofthe newer moronic posters.
:help
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
Sorry, just slapped myself, GO TIGES!!!
You are starting to sound like one ofthe newer moronic posters.
:help
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
Sorry, just slapped myself, GO TIGES!!!
You are starting to sound like one ofthe newer moronic posters.
:help
You on the pee already?
:cheers
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
Sorry, just slapped myself, GO TIGES!!!
You are starting to sound like one ofthe newer moronic posters.
:help
You on the pee already?
:cheers
I wish..its only 11.30am at work where I am..
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And it begins
Pies - 13 to 0 great start Tiges.
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40 to 14....lets play catch up again..
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We are definitely getting out played.
But I gotta admit the umpires look after collingwood.
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We are no where near it. Disgraceful 1st quarter. Too many passengers and lots of players who aint up to 2011 AFL standards.
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We are never near it in the first qtr, we ALLWAYS play catch up
But this could get uglier than we all expected
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A bit dis heartning actually, what is going wrong, where are we letting ouselves down around the ground??
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Matthew Knights in the crowd with his son wearing a tigers beanie.
Hopefully we don't let them score as much next half. We gotta slow them down on the score board otherwise it could truly get ugly.
37 - 87
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2, almost 3 goals kicked with less than 10 seconds left. Very annoying.
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According to Leigh Matthews, it's 'Damien Jackson' for Richmond
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Leigh brown, you are a fat eff... White trash
I've seen bigger arms on a clock.
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2, almost 3 goals kicked with less than 10 seconds left. Very annoying.
So whats going on then, what are we doing wrong, all our midfielders seem to be getting enough of it.
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Farcking edwards and Graham. Absolutely efface useless. Eff off.
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3 quick goals.. did the Pies come back out after half time??
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Now this is better. WHY WHY WHY WHY cant they play like this from the start of the game... Only 26 points down..
Kept the Pies scoreless for 20 minutes...
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We are no where near it. Disgraceful 1st quarter. Too many passengers and lots of players who aint up to 2011 AFL standards.
You jumped the gun there
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
You are starting to sound like one ofthe newer moronic posters.
:help
Eff yourself, he's one of us.
Haven't you got bin duty?
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I'm watching the delay, but it's body size, they're men we're boys. We go to ground in contests, panic and also make half hearted attempts. That's what we're going to get with mostly kids. Cotchin is killing them, he's a gun.
Eff I hate the Pies though, Carlton, St. Kilda and Essendon overtook them in the hatred stakes there for a while, but all those dicky little barely 10 metre kicks that get paid, the free kicks early on and non free kicks to us and dud players that look good in a good team.
A shame we don't have a time machine, we could have traded Edwards and Morton (not playing I know) while their value was high at the end of last season. Edwards and Graham should do a two man comedy show at the festival while it's on. Grubbers, falling over, hitouts straight to opposition players, it's a laugh a minute.
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Back out to 43 points again, what is happening? From 26 points down to 43 down in the blink of an eye..How does that happen?
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Back out to 43 points again, what is happening? From 26 points down to 43 down in the blink of an eye..How does that happen?
qtr break broke our momentum. They regathered as good sides do at breaks.
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Now out to 55 points down???? This is the sadest part, we play so well and then implode?????
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And that's 10 goals >:(
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Back out to 43 points again, what is happening? From 26 points down to 43 down in the blink of an eye..How does that happen?
qtr break broke our momentum. They regathered as good sides do at breaks.
Yeah I suppose you are right.. all part of the development (I really hate that word) for us isn't it...
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11 goals :-\
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There you go, all over...THANK GOD...71 Points...WOW!!
Well I suppose I expected it, I did say I would be happy with a drubbing of between 10-12 goals...... I am less than happy though.
God this club is getting hard to follow....
Anyway, there is always next week..
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God I am getting really nervous...
To quote a saying from the movie Wild Hogs; "Does anybody else get that pre rape feeling"
Please make it go away....
You are starting to sound like one ofthe newer moronic posters.
:help
Eff yourself, he's one of us.
Haven't you got bin duty?
Speak of the devil...
:lol
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Shame the boys couldn't contain the margin.
Great signs in the third though.
It's just going to take time, we need to keep pumping games in to these kids.
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Shame the boys couldn't contain the margin.
Great signs in the third though.
It's just going to take time, we need to keep pumping games in to these kids.
Were there any injuries for us??
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Shame the boys couldn't contain the margin.
Great signs in the third though.
It's just going to take time, we need to keep pumping games in to these kids.
Were there any injuries for us??
Martin went off in the 4th and got his hamstring strapped up. But came back on.
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I don't know, i'm not watching the last quarter...
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We are no where near it. Disgraceful 1st quarter. Too many passengers and lots of players who aint up to 2011 AFL standards.
You jumped the gun there
Not really. We played 1 great quarter, 1 average quarter and 2 appalling ones. The margin tells the story but the 3rd quarter should give all of us hope for the future.
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In summary we played poor. Nothing glory about a 10 goal loss, absolutely none.
So this year we played 1 good quarter against the Blues
2 against the Saints
None against the Hawks and 1 tonight. Not good enough to give a side a start like that.
The only positive is Edwards is one game closer to being shown the exit door. His efforts were pathetic. The most average footballer on our list by a fair margin.
I fail to understand how he gets a game ahead of Tuck. Both are not in our long term plans yet would rather Tuck any day of the week.
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Shame the boys couldn't contain the margin.
Great signs in the third though.
It's just going to take time, we need to keep pumping games in to these kids.
Were there any injuries for us??
Martin went off in the 4th and got his hamstring strapped up. But came back on.
Well thats a bonus then.
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In summary we played poor. Nothing glory about a 10 goal loss, absolutely none.
So this year we played 1 good quarter against the Blues
2 against the Saints
None against the Hawks and 1 tonight. Not good enough to give a side a start like that.
The only positive is Edwards is one game closer to being shown the exit door. His efforts were pathetic. The most average footballer on our list by a fair margin.
I fail to understand how he gets a game ahead of Tuck. Both are not in our long term plans yet would rather Tuck any day of the week.
fair enough about Edwards great last year but back to vfl footy just not good enough.
That said, what is worse IMO is the inclusion of Miller..... what's the point?? He's absolutely useless.
Atleast With a mature aged recruits you can expect them to lead the way on field and show glimses of former brilliance but with Miller all he shows is how NOT to play footy.
For some posters (tigermonk) at OER who wanted him included in the team I ask ,"WHAT THE POINT???!!!".
What a waste of time when you could be getting games into someone more useful for the future.
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Mick Malthouse on TV now giving Richmond plenty of praise
It may have been an 11 goal loss but we showed that in the 2nd & 3rd quarters that we can keep up and then completely outplay the best team in the competition. Our midfield of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Grigg and even Conca really starting to gel and show some cohesion as they all had outstanding games. Clearly in the last quarter we ran out of legs again but that will come in time.
We still have around the same experience as the Gold Coast but have played good football against four top teams in the toughest start to the season for any side in the competition.
The real test comes next week, its a must win game against an out of form North
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Mick Malthouse on TV now giving Richmond plenty of praise
It may have been an 11 goal loss but we showed that in the 2nd & 3rd quarters that we can keep up and then completely outplay the best team in the competition. Our midfield of Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Grigg and even Conca really starting to gel and show some cohesion as they all had outstanding games. Clearly in the last quarter we ran out of legs again but that will come in time.
We still have around the same experience as the Gold Coast but have played good football against four top teams in the toughest start to the season for any side in the competition.
The real test comes next week, its a must win game against an out of form North
Maybe Micks eying us up for the job in a couple of years...hahahahaha...ONLY JOKING.
Great to hear that though.
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I didn't mind Millers game tonight, he should have kicked a little straighter but I thought he gave us that extra tall e have been lacking, I can see him holding his place till Griff is ready.......
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Who here expected us to have any points in the first four rounds?
I thought our best chance was Carlton and the other 3 sides would flog us.
Collingwood destroyed Port and North as well as us. They're reigning premiers and premiership favourites.
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I didn't mind Millers game tonight, he should have kicked a little straighter but I thought he gave us that extra tall e have been lacking, I can see him holding his place till Griff is ready.......
Didn't do much wrong apart from kick badly for goal. He'll keep his spot.
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Loved the 3rd quarter effort - full of running and attack at the contest. I really hope dimma sprayed them after the game though bc even though they should be happy with the signs they are showing, its not good enough to be content with 1 strong quarter, we should have gone nuts to try and get the first goal of the last Q to try and go on with it. That type of capitulation should be unacceptable.
Loved Lids, Martin, Cotch, Conca and the young boys down back in amongst the carnage, they were spiking everything and throwing themselves at the contest with real ferocity. Grimes makes me laugh, I love him already, hes an angry prick :lol
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In summary we played poor. Nothing glory about a 10 goal loss, absolutely none.
Agree I feel gutted
15 minutes into the final qtr te 3rd qtr wass but a distant memory bottom line is we got smashed by 10 goals
It was the 4 goal + the 3 goals that got in junk time in the 1st qtr that cost us
Final qtr was unacceptable
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Positives:
- Grahams 3rd qtr. Shows how good we can be when we have a ruckman rucking well and working hard around the ground. 1 qtr in 4 games isn't good enough from our number 1 ruckman. But positive to see what we can do when he pulls his finger out and gives first use.
- Midfield were superb when we were playing well.
- Grimes shows good signs. Gave height and weight away from Cloke and spoiled more than Cloke marked tonight. Tarrant did a good job on Riewoldt but made maybe 4 or 5 spoils from 12 kicks to Jack. Where as Grimes would have spoiled 8 or 9 spoils from 16 kicks.
- Conca best game for the club.
- We kicked 12 goals against the reigning premiers. Since when do we score 100 points in a game?
- Edwards last game for a month. Edwards takes a midfield role away from a Contin experiment, Morton midfield role, Deledio midfield role etc.
- Lids, when he is on we are very good.
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Mick Malthouse on TV now giving Richmond plenty of praise
Malthouse lauds brave Tigers
By Karen Lyon
11:59 PM Fri 15 Apr, 2011
COLLINGWOOD coach Mick Malthouse has heaped praise on rivals Richmond for their third-quarter comeback during the Magpies emphatic 71-point win over the Tigers.
"We responded with pride,(but) I think what we do is that we take too much credit away from our opponents," Malthouse said.
''Their maturity is progressing at a rate that I am sure Richmond will be happy with.
"They have had their ups and downs; they have got a very young side that will get better, and when they get their momentum, and when that shifts in particular, they are a very damaging side.''
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111780/default.aspx
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Finey on SEN after the game nailed it on the head for Richmond:
We have a stellar midfield for the future:
Deledio, Martin, Cotchin, Conca, Foley is a sensational nucleus that if they stay fit and together thats a midfield that in 2 years will peak and have a 5-8 year period of peak football.
We have a match winner up forward in Jack Riewoldt. He's a lone man that needs help. The most important man to Richmonds success may be Ben Griffiths. We need to draft another big man forward to relieve the reliance on Griffiths development. Vickery isn't a 40 goal a year 2nd best forward KP player. He may kick 20 whilst taking the ruck in a few years.
We have some seriously unskilled players. Edwards, Jackson, Graham, King, Nahas; who all have their role some more important than other, but all who are unskilled for AFL football. Jackson has his good days with the foot and has his bad days. He evens that out with some sensational tagging scalps and always gives 110%. Same could be said about Jake King. Edwards seems low on confidence and struggling. White seems OK but your not always confident when he has the ball in his hands. Graham as a ruckman just can't mark, a necessity for a modern day ruckman.
And the rest is filled up with some inexperienced youngsters that show good signs.
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We have some seriously unskilled players. Edwards, Jackson, Graham, King, Nahas; who all have their role some more important than other, but all who are unskilled for AFL football. Jackson has his good days with the foot and has his bad days. He evens that out with some sensational tagging scalps and always gives 110%. Same could be said about Jake King. Edwards seems low on confidence and struggling. White seems OK but your not always confident when he has the ball in his hands. Graham as a ruckman just can't mark, a necessity for a modern day ruckman.
Jackson doesn't deserve to be included in this list so far this year. He has improved his disposal substantially.
Over the last 3 weeks his disposal efficiency has been
R2 86%
R3 68% (in the wet)
R4 77%
That's pretty good for an inside midfielder, above average in the AFL anyway
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We have some seriously unskilled players. Edwards, Jackson, Graham, King, Nahas; who all have their role some more important than other, but all who are unskilled for AFL football. Jackson has his good days with the foot and has his bad days. He evens that out with some sensational tagging scalps and always gives 110%. Same could be said about Jake King. Edwards seems low on confidence and struggling. White seems OK but your not always confident when he has the ball in his hands. Graham as a ruckman just can't mark, a necessity for a modern day ruckman.
Jackson doesn't deserve to be included in this list so far this year. He has improved his disposal substantially.
Over the last 3 weeks his disposal efficiency has been
R2 86%
R3 68% (in the wet)
R4 77%
That's pretty good for an inside midfielder, above average in the AFL anyway
Jacko certainly has, I think it will take more than a season too have the perception of poor efficiency removed. Be interested in his kicking efficiency stats. I feel his handballing efficiency is extremely good and helps boost his overall efficiency. I could be wrong.
Jacko has certainly improved though.
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His handball has always been good though so not sure how this would have improved his stats this year
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For mine the most disappointing aspect about tonights game was that it was the best game Lids/Cotch & Martin have played as a collective (over 90 disposals) and we still get blown off the park.
Club desperately needs a win next week for players and fans alike.
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Snip! Leave off the insults and slanging match posts. Back to the Topic!
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Looking forward to next week.
Should be interesting.
:thumbsup
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Why do some supporters look at how these games as us being poor rather than accepting just how good the opposition are?
Here we are, in reality, a bottom 4-6 side playing against last years premiers, a very well drilled and skilled side. Colonwood did not bradbury their flag last year, they are the benchmark of the competition.Their ability to make the most of their chances through simply hitting their targets is what we aspireto be, but we are a still a long way off. Anyone expecting anythin different right now is delusional.
As much as i hate to say it, Miller provided our forward line structure, much needed structure. It's a pity that he is just not a good enough footballer to take advantage and that our delivery still need to improve.
We showed that we are capable of matching it with the best for a period of time and it is only experience that will bring more consistency to our performance.
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Gee Martin made some bad errors early on. If he is to ever be in the top echelon, then he needs to get that out of his game. Two (perhaps 3?) goals directly from turnovers early on, one of which he was under no pressure at all.
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Umpires and Skill errors took the game away from us in the first 20min. I was proud of the way the boys didn't give up at that stage and fought back. Last quarter was very disappointing but I thought that was more because Collingwood were very good than we were very bad.
Other thoughts.
Edwards skill errors cost us many goals, and I do mean many. Both from goals he should of kicked and turnovers he made. I hope Hardwick saw it.
Gus showed he can do it. Sure he is a dinosaur but that was one of his best efforts for us. I still hope the the X man can be better but lets see how he goes for Coburg for a few weeks before moving him in.
Conca just needs confidence he can play at this level, has does have the skills and I was happy with the step forward he made last night. Batcherlor did OK too
The top level mid players did good. Lids, Martin, Cothin, Newman I was happy with, still think Foley is a fair way off his best but will give him time with all the football he has missed.
The jury is out on Miller, I do think that Griffith is one of the most important players on our list and if he comes up OK then Miller will be back to the 2's.
Nahas and King are not the answers, I just wonder what other options we relay have for these spots. Nason is one that springs to mind.
Love the way Grimes plays, he will make some of the spoils he missed with experience and a bit more beef. Got to most contests.
We all thought we would be 0-4 at this stage, we may of hoped for better but deep down we knew. North Next week is a different story, Time to stir Tigers.
Changes, well it depend on VFL form but Edwards, Nahas and King must be looked at even though I doubt they will make many changes.
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Looking forward to next week.
Should be interesting.
:thumbsup
Im not tbh, next week is the type of game that for yrs we come out and have an absolute stinker.
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Fluffy that is spot on first twenty minutes umpires were terrible and raped and pillaged us. Pies had 9 frees to 2 in the first quarter and six of those ended up in scores and were given within 60 of goal. Why is it a team on or near the bottom get silly frees paid against them in their defensive 50 yet obvious frees in our forward 50 are ignored. :help
Another instance was Dawes being thrown to the ground in the last being held by one arm and he is not pinned for incorrect disposal yet one of our boys a minute later makes the play and gets caught for holding the ball in and Dawes gets the free. Game is turning into rugby in that instance.
I thought the kids were good last night and we tried all night and got blown off the park in the last also. Kids showed some spirit and. If North get flogged in Perth and talk about SH1tboner spirit all week will be interesting how we react to their false form next week.
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Why do some supporters look at how these games as us being poor rather than accepting just how good the opposition are?
I accept Collingwood are the absolute best team in the comp by a long long way
However, we showed during the 1st qtr (middle bit for about 6-8 minutes), for most of the 2nd qtr bar the final 8 minutes and the entire 3rd qtr that we are capable of matching it with them as we broke open thier zone, press or whatever you want to call it
But what we dished up in the final qtr was unacceptable. Heads dropped far too quickly for mine
And because of that I have no doubt that the Pies sensed after the got the first 2 goals of that qtr they had us mentally and they could smash which they did. We need to learn (quickly I might add) that fighting out games for 3 qtrs & 5-10 minutes is not acceptable and these huge losses cannot continue. They are confidence killers not just to the players but to supporters as well
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That sort of inconsitency is typical of young sides WP
Not the first team to wilt under collingwoods pr essure and wont be the last.
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What's the point having miller there. Waste of time. Not a future player. Good for training only. Back in a kid. Put some games into him and see if he can play. If he can't the get rid of him.
I hate to break the bad news to all the posters that thought we could make finals this year. We are 2-3 years away minimum. We are a bottom 4 side at maximum. We are youngest team in AFL.
Miller is a WASTED selection.
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What's the point having miller there. Waste of time. Not a future player. Good for training only. Back in a kid. Put some games into him and see if he can play. If he can't the get rid of him.
I hate to break the bad news to all the posters that thought we could make finals this year. We are 2-3 years away minimum. We are a bottom 4 side at maximum. We are youngest team in AFL.
Miller is a WASTED selection.
I dont recall anyone on this site saying they expected us to make finals. Miller was a late rookie pick who is providing some insurance whilst Griffiths trys to get over his shoulder concerns.
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What's the point having miller there. Waste of time. Not a future player. Good for training only. Back in a kid. Put some games into him and see if he can play. If he can't the get rid of him.
I hate to break the bad news to all the posters that thought we could make finals this year. We are 2-3 years away minimum. We are a bottom 4 side at maximum. We are youngest team in AFL.
Miller is a WASTED selection.
How well did our forward line function last year against Collingwood with just Jack up forward?
I thought we looked significantly better up forward from limited entries last night due to the structure that Miller brought to the side. I definitely noticed it, if he'd finished better we could have had two key forwards kicking 4 goals each, that is the type of thing our side needs.
He's only there until Griffiths gets fit anyway, so get over it
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Edwards is just hopeless. Surely this was his last week in the team for some time. Another thing that worried me was how much Collingwood slaughtered us on the Southern Stand wing. they'd have 3 or 4 players out there with no man on them, and as such it was an easy passage for them to get the ball quickly from one end to the other.
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Normally I'm one of the most critical about our performances but I was not too upset about this big loss.
Our poor players like Edwards, Graham, White, Thursfield and Nahas gifted Collingwood at least a couple of goals apiece thru bad mistakes.
They also cost us offensive scores either directly or by letting down teammates in link ups.
Our inexperienced kids like Grimes, Batchelor and Conca cost us a couple of goals thru rookie mistakes that are understandable.
We were missing a few of our more reliable players like McGuane and Moore. Tuck and Rance also.
I don't know whether Maxwell was fit or not, but if he was fit then Miller did a great job of keeping him busy and away from his usual third man up antics.
It was interesting that Shaw, O'Brien and Maxwell combined so poorly and gave them as little rebound as I've seen this year.
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The opposition paid Miller respect and everytime Miller did lead up, he was well checked., which drew the extra away from Jack.
interesting they didnt pay Vickery respect by having smaller option on him
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Normally I'm one of the most critical about our performances but I was not too upset about this big loss.
Our poor players like Edwards, Graham, White, Thursfield and Nahas gifted Collingwood at least a couple of goals apiece thru bad mistakes.
They also cost us offensive scores either directly or by letting down teammates in link ups.
Our inexperienced kids like Grimes, Batchelor and Conca cost us a couple of goals thru rookie mistakes that are understandable.
We were missing a few of our more reliable players like McGuane and Moore. Tuck and Rance also.
I don't know whether Maxwell was fit or not, but if he was fit then Miller did a great job of keeping him busy and away from his usual third man up antics.
It was interesting that Shaw, O'Brien and Maxwell combined so poorly and gave them as little rebound as I've seen this year.
Redan, you give White a negative wrap but then say how quiet shaw was. Didnt white play on shaw and kick a couple of goals himself?
No mention of Martins shocking turnovers early that cost us goals either?
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The opposition paid Miller respect and everytime Miller did lead up, he was well checked., which drew the extra away from Jack.
interesting they didnt pay Vickery respect by having smaller option on him
Agree with you about Miller. As i posted earlier he gave us structure up forward that we have been sorely lacking. He is a hard working player who understands the structures. It's just a pity he cant win enough of the one on one contests he creates, but there doesn't seem to be anyone else putting their hand up to play this role at this time.
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interesting they didnt pay Vickery respect by having smaller option on him
That's a good point you make Jack
In the last qtr Vickery was one out against a shorter opponent and didn't out mark, let alone out body him when he should have for memory Pies ended up clearing the ball very easily out of the defensive 50.
That one contest highlights what I see as the main problem with young Tyrone at times. He doesn't impose himself enough in contests. When he is up against a smaller bodied player he should win more than he looses IMHO
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interesting they didnt pay Vickery respect by having smaller option on him
That's a good point you make Jack
In the last qtr Vickery was one out against a shorter opponent and didn't out mark, let alone out body him when he should have for memory Pies ended up clearing the ball very easily out of the defensive 50.
That one contest highlights what I see as the main problem with young Tyrone at times. He doesn't impose himself enough in contests. When he is up against a sammler body player he should win mor ethan he looses IMHO
and playing Miller demands respect, thus Maxwell goes to Miller
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It was interesting that Shaw, O'Brien and Maxwell combined so poorly and gave them as little rebound as I've seen this year.
Redan, you give White a negative wrap but then say how quiet shaw was. Didnt white play on shaw and kick a couple of goals himself?
No mention of Martins shocking turnovers early that cost us goals either?
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al, read what I posted don't make it up. I didn't say Shaw was quiet.
I just checked the stats and as I thought:
White 13 disposals with 4 clangers
Shaw 20 disposals with 2 clangers.
IIRC Whites clangers, as with Martins, were very costly.
I agree with you that Martin made some terrible clangers that cost goals. IMO it was unusual to see such poor, costly errors from Dusty.
By comparison Jackson made 6 clangers but I would say that his errors were not as costly as the other two.
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It was interesting that Shaw, O'Brien and Maxwell combined so poorly and gave them as little rebound as I've seen this year.
Can you see how reading that I may have thought you were saying shaw (along with O'brien and Maxwell) had a quiet game?
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It was interesting that Shaw, O'Brien and Maxwell combined so poorly and gave them as little rebound as I've seen this year.
Can you see how reading that I may have thought you were saying shaw (along with O'brien and Maxwell) had a quiet game?
Yep, agreed.
Defensive forward is a really hard job to judge. Just felt Matty made a lot of costly errors.
No more than my opinion.
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COLLINGWOOD'S Chris Dawes could miss the Magpies' Anzac Day clash with Essendon after being offered a one-match suspension for striking Richmond youngster Reece Conca.
Dawes was cited by the match review panel for making what was deemed negligent and high contact with Conca during the second quarter of Collingwood's big win over the Tigers on Friday night.
The offence attracted only a reprimand, but because Dawes had carryover points on his record and he faces a suspension even if he lodges an early guilty plea.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111943/default.aspx
Here's a video of the strike if you cant remember it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NycO1ZSsN_U&feature=feedu
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1 week, as it seems deliberate high contact
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Leigh Brown got off though ::)
The match day report against Collingwood’s Leigh Brown for striking Richmond’s Reece Conca during the third quarter of Friday’s match was assessed. The panel said that Brown’s arm was held back by Richmond player Angus Graham as Conca was completing a mark, and Brown was attempting to reach the contest. It was the view of the panel that the retarding of Brown’s arm contributed to the contact, which was made with an open hand. The panel did not view his action as a reportable offence and no further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111941/default.aspx
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the leigh brown one was pretty soft
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What will be a pass mark for us? :-\
Sportal is predicting a 75 point flogging :help
This is the sort of game which could get really, really ugly for Tigers. They are ripe for the picking after being battered mentally and physically by the Hawks last week and Collingwood are convinced they are not playing their best football yet and need to improve. As one former player put it, they are a grasshopper stuck in a pen full of chooks.
It is hard to see a single part of the ground where the Tigers are going to get any joy .... It all adds up to a significant footballing lesson for the young Tigers, who will be happy to escape this one with a defeat under 50 points.
Collingwood by 75
Full preview here:
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-richmond-v-collingwood-118395
Quite an impressive call by Sportal, may have to look into their predications on the other games this past weekend.
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COLLINGWOOD'S Chris Dawes could miss the Magpies' Anzac Day clash with Essendon after being offered a one-match suspension for striking Richmond youngster Reece Conca.
Dawes was cited by the match review panel for making what was deemed negligent and high contact with Conca during the second quarter of Collingwood's big win over the Tigers on Friday night.
The offence attracted only a reprimand, but because Dawes had carryover points on his record and he faces a suspension even if he lodges an early guilty plea.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111943/default.aspx
IIRC the worst thing about the high hit was we didn't get a free kick and Collingwood got a goal out it to Beams :banghead.
Well done Ray; keep flapping your arms about like a crazed seagull while missing frees blind freddy can see ::).
Here's a video of the strike if you cant remember it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NycO1ZSsN_U&feature=feedu
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Richmond highlights from Friday night:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/347808/default.aspx
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COLLINGWOOD'S Chris Dawes could miss the Magpies' Anzac Day clash with Essendon after being offered a one-match suspension for striking Richmond youngster Reece Conca.
Dawes was cited by the match review panel for making what was deemed negligent and high contact with Conca during the second quarter of Collingwood's big win over the Tigers on Friday night.
The offence attracted only a reprimand, but because Dawes had carryover points on his record and he faces a suspension even if he lodges an early guilty plea.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111943/default.aspx
Dawes has been cleared by the tribunal.
Here's a video of the strike if you cant remember it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NycO1ZSsN_U&feature=feedu
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Hmmm zero of our three incidents this year. Hit a Richmond player; it's non-reportable! :scream
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Hmmm zero of our three incidents this year. Hit a Richmond player; it's non-reportable! :scream
You've got to learn the rules MT. Eddie says jump, and Dimwitriou says, "how high sir?" Maxwell got off scott free a couple of years back for breaking someone's jaw. You didn't think a slap in the face was going to keep Dawes out of a big AFL revenue-raiser like the Anzac Day clash did you???
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Richo and Jacko review the Pies game:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/348180/roar-review-round-4/