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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 26, 2011, 03:13:15 PM
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Moving on to next week, what are everyone's initial thoughts on the Brisbane game?
Bookies have us overwhelming favourites which hasn't happened in a long while.
Richmond $1.36
Brisbane $3.00
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Please Richmond .....FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,DO NOT DO A "PORT" :pray
I think this game maybe closer than the bookies suggest.I thought Brisbane would be a total basket case this year but they have been playing with some real spirit (without winning).
Their percentage is almost as identical as ours.
We need to come out firing in the first quarter (for once) and not give them a sniff.
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We will roll them by 10 goals
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Midfield needs to back up their superb performance againist North. If they do then we have a good chance to beat Brisbane.
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If we are improving we should flog em.
Hungry young side that is starting to realise they can compete for real at this level, just got their first win and should be pining for more. Really expect a fired up performance - if we come out and let this one slip you really have to question the mental strength of the group. No excuses
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Moving on to next week, what are everyone's initial thoughts on the Brisbane game?
Bookies have us overwhelming favourites which hasn't happened in a long while.
Richmond $1.36
Brisbane $3.00
Being a fav makes me nervous, However continue your strong work from last week, improve on the mistakes and teach the lions a lesson :gotigers
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AFL site is tipping us by 12 points
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/112464/default.aspx
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Brisbane fans of BF are quite confident..... :shh
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Brisbane fans of BF are quite confident..... :shh
Their game last week was pretty woeful skills wise (by both them and the Saints) so gawd knows at 0-4 how they can be confident even quietly :wallywink.
It is a danger game though just from a mental point of view. We aren't in position either to treat any game differently just because this week we are favourites and our starts of course have been crap. The Lions get back a couple of players too like Drummond who will improve their rebound of half-back. We should win because our scoring firepower even in bursts is better than Brisbane's but it'll be closer than most people think unless we solve our first quarter problems and break their spirit early on the scoreboard.
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gotta keep a player like Banfield under control IMHO.
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gotta keep a player like Banfield under control IMHO.
Yep he was really good last week.
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There rucks a danger too - far to agile for Gus IMHO
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If we are improving we should flog em.
Hungry young side that is starting to realise they can compete for real at this level, just got their first win and should be pining for more. Really expect a fired up performance - if we come out and let this one slip you really have to question the mental strength of the group. No excuses
That's it, the "old Tigers" of the past 30 years would do just that! Really need to put an exclamation point on where we are heading and set up followin Freo game at the G as a real Blockbuster and show where we are going.
Said it before! Things can happen pretty quick, if we get our tails up we could be off and running.
That said, so far we have fallen over the line against Norf :-\
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Their half-back line is probably our biggest concern if Drummond plays. Jack will have his work cut out against Merrett, but for the second week in a row we SHOULD have the quality to be able to win.
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Mitch Clark is their main man up forward, if he gets 6 or 7 marks could easily be 6 or 7 goals. Who takes him?
Take him out of the equation and wer'e half way there.
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Sportal is tipping us by almost 5 goals.
WE THINK:
Not a lot to like about this encounter with just one win between the two sides in the opening five rounds of the season. The Tigers have had the wood over the Lions in the recent years with the Queenslanders recording just one win from their past seven clashes.
While both teams look to be struggling there is definitely more upside down at Tigerland. The young brigade of Martin, Trent Cotchin and Reece Conca continue to impress, while Coleman Medalist Jack Riewoldt has kept up his high level of form.
Brisbane do have some impressive youngsters coming through their ranks, but their older players are showing signs of struggling and with just three wins from their past 22 matches, it's hard to see them getting over the line in this one.
Richmond by 28 points.
http://www.sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-richmond-v-brisbane-lions-120243
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Their half-back line is probably our biggest concern if Drummond plays. Jack will have his work cut out against Merrett, but for the second week in a row we SHOULD have the quality to be able to win.
He hasn't had a good pre-season. Will be low on fitness. Will be disappointed if White doesn't towel him up.
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Luke McGuane is the key
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The Tigers have had the wood over the Lions in the recent years with the Queenslanders recording just one win from their past seven clashes.
Geez ! us with the wood over a team ??
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Brisbane fans of BF are quite confident..... :shh
Their game last week was pretty woeful skills wise (by both them and the Saints) so gawd knows at 0-4 how they can be confident even quietly :wallywink.
Raines will shut down Martin apparently :lol
Merrett will smash Jack as well... :rollin
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Luke McGuane is the key
LMFAO yeah nice one tugga
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Raines will shut down Martin apparently :lol
LOL!
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Raines will shut down Martin apparently :lol
LOL!
Raines will learn not to argue. :thumbsup
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:SPLAT
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Need to keep Clark quiet. Need to keep an eye on their midfield. It is the perfect game to show the football world we are improving. Need to be ruthless against them. Graham must impose himself in ruck contests
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Leppitsch press conference talking about the Brisbane game...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/350173/justin-leppitsch-press-conference/
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Raines will shut down Martin apparently :lol
LOL!
Raines will learn not to argue. :thumbsup
Probably not, they are meeting up after the game for drinks :cheers
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Raines will shut down Martin apparently :lol
LOL!
Raines will learn not to argue. :thumbsup
Probably not, they are meeting up after the game for drinks :cheers
... at which time Raines will not be arguing. :santa
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:lol
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Martin only has to go at 50% capacity and Raines wont be able to do anything.
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Leppitsch press conference talking about the Brisbane game...
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/350173/justin-leppitsch-press-conference/
Here's the article on Leppa's interview:
Leppa’s Tiger alert
richmondfc.com.au
By Tony Greenberg
Fri 29 Apr, 2011
Richmond assistant coach Justin Leppitsch has sounded a warning to the Tiger team on the eve of the Round 6 clash with the Brisbane Lions.
The Tigers go into Saturday night’s game warm favorites following their first win of the season, against North Melbourne at Etihad Stadium last Sunday.
But Leppitsch, a three-time premiership player with Brisbane, has offered some cautionary advice to the young Tigers as they prepare to take on the Lions, who are in 16th place on the league ladder, after five rounds, without a win.
“I know a few of Brisbane’s younger players, better than most, because I worked with them a few years ago,” he said.
“Their list definitely isn’t in as bad a shape, as what people think, particularly their midfield . . . their future looks pretty good.”
Leppitsch stressed the importance of the players respecting their opponents, regardless of how inexperienced, or little known, they may be at the game’s highest level . . .
“When you talk about lack of identity of (opposition) players, it can, potentially, lead to players thinking they’re a better chance, which also leads to poor thoughts going into games. And, the chain reaction of that can, potentially, be bad,” he said.
“It’s important for the players to respect their opposition every week.”
Leppitsch also pointed to areas of the team’s game last Sunday night that needed to be worked on, despite the first-up victory . . .
“There were big patches in the game where we didn’t do what we wanted to do, particularly late, when the game started to get tight. Our kick-ins fell away a little bit and we just went away from the plan a bit,” he said.
“So, we’ve addressed those and hope to, like every week, improve.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/112652/default.aspx[/i]
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Old teammates Richo and Cambo preview the Brisbane game:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/350324/roar-preview-round-6/
Batch and Grigg at half-back
Tucky goes into the middle to replace Jacko.
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Twin towers hover over Tigers
Jim Morton
Ninemsn
15:05 AEST Fri Apr 29 2011
Bizarre pets of the stars Brisbane coach Michael Voss has tipped an "absorbing" battle between Daniel Merrett and Jack Riewoldt on Saturday night but is more excited by his new twin towers at the other end of the MCG.
Voss is desperate to see winless Brisbane finally open their account this season and believes the left-field key forward combination of former ruck duo Mitch Clark and Matthew Leuenberger can rattle Richmond.
While Riewoldt's outstanding five-goal haul in last week's triumph over North Melbourne has put extra heat on Brisbane stuff Merrett, the Lions will ask questions of their own against the Tigers defence.
Richmond talls Luke McGuane, Alex Rance and Dylan Grimes (all 192-194cm tall) will have their work cut out preventing 200cm Clark and 204cm Leuenberger taking some big grabs.
Despite four Lions losses, Clark is performing strongly in the absence of spearhead Jonathan Brown while Leuenberger's switch to centre half-forward against St Kilda would have brought more reward if he had kicked truly.
"We threw caution to the wind and tried it out ... against Melbourne (round three) and got something out of it," Voss said
"(Leuenberger) is meeting the ball at the highest point at the moment, as is Mitch.
"If we can get that combination going really, really well, hopefully it puts a bit of pressure on the Tigers defence.
"To have that even when Browny returns is a fantastic asset to have in your footy club."
At the other end of the ground, Lions vice-captain Merrett matches up with Riewoldt better than most but still faces one of the toughest tasks in the game.
"(Merrett) is well equipped to handle this task for us," Voss said.
"It's going to be a great battle and an absorbing battle - a contest that I'm sure a lot of people will be taking notice of."
Richmond deserve favouritism but the loss of suspended tagger Daniel Jackson is a significant blow and should allow Lions star Simon Black more time and space to create.
Tigers assistant coach and former Brisbane triple-premiership player Justin Leppitsch said it was crucial Richmond fixed their slow starts against his old team.
Richmond have yet to lead at the first change this season and have been smashed early in their past four games.
"It's more a mental thing with our group than a physical thing because, physically, we are a very fit team," Leppitsch said.
"It's just a matter of attacking the game nice and early and we have broached that."
Voss admitted he was sorely tempted to rush Josh Drummond straight back after his long-awaited return in the reserves following knee surgery but the rebounding defender was not yet 100 per cent fit.
"We'd love him out there and we're a better team when he does play for us but we need to be a bit more patient," he said.
"We've been waiting 12 months to play and one more week won't hurt us."
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8242706
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Height 4 them, but not much talent.
Well poo it in by 10 goals :)
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Unless we break the game open early on with a strong start it'll be closer than many think. The Lions have been getting their hands on the pill and getting it forward enough but their poor skill level continally turning over the footy and their lack of genuine reliable firepower up forward without Brown up there has been their major weakness. We should win but we can't underestimate them. Mentally we need to be switched on and forget about last week's win.
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B-E-A utiful day, time to sit back relax and watch the Tiges put a team away for once.
10 goals + would be nice and I will be looking forward to getting used to it ;D
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Unless we break the game open early on with a strong start it'll be closer than many think. The Lions have been getting their hands on the pill and getting it forward enough but their poor skill level continally turning over the footy and their lack of genuine reliable firepower up forward without Brown up there has been their major weakness. We should win but we can't underestimate them. Mentally we need to be switched on and forget about last week's win.
I agree. We haven't been great winning games we were favorites in. Alot of angry posters tonight if we lose.
I'm not expecting anything, after losing to the cheats round 1 I've lost every ounce of excitement for this year so if we lose tonight its no big deal it won't destroy my weekend.
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Would be nice to be playing Port. What a rabble. North Melbourne are being played back into form. They might as well have a bye.
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any1 know if this game is on FTA tonight?
someone told me FTA are doing the saints game instead. Damn :banghead
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any1 know if this game is on FTA tonight?
someone told me FTA are doing the saints damn instead :banghead
Nup it's on Fox I believe. Thank god I'll be at the game and won't have to see the Saints bore everyone to death again :sleep.
I'm heading off now to the 'G. Carn the Tiges! :gotigers
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Well I am sitting at the Johannesburg Airport at the moment and I will probably miss the game, gee I hope we win.... :pray. Just hope I can get off the plane in Port Elizabeth and get some good news..
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The Tigers have had the wood over the Lions in the recent years with the Queenslanders recording just one win from their past seven clashes.
Geez ! us with the wood over a team ??
Yeah, it is funny isn't it ;D
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Leaving soon can't see betting at work! What odds Tigers 60+?
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Just left, on the iPhone.
Any late changes?
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There rucks a danger too - far to agile for Gus IMHO
This is a problem every week for us. I reckon you'd be too agile for Gus, WP ;D.
Need a decent ruckman soon.
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Leaving soon can't see betting at work! What odds Tigers 60+?
40+ points is paying $3.30 :thumbsup
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Nason the sub
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Edwards cost us a goal there, pulled put of a spoiling contest in front of goal. Richmond members livid :banghead
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Edwards grubs a kick into forward 50 under no pressure , turnover >:(
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martin 10 kicks 4 handballs and a goal! :thumbsup
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it would be nice to get a holding the ball free!! :banghead
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martin 10 kicks 4 handballs and a goal! :thumbsup
Plus 6 clangers
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Our kicking into f50 is very poor so far
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Tuck subbed out
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Tuck subbed out
Just flicked on the radio I heard nason was on. What happened to Tuck?
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Might have busted ribs
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Hopefully we get a decent lead before they can sub a fit player on later in the game.
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Some amazing disposal numbers coming up for our midfielders in that first half
Foley - 26 disposals (8K 18H), 4 marks, 2 tackles
Martin - 21 disposals (17K 4H), 2 marks, 1 tackle, 1 goal (7 disposals in scoring involvements resulting in 4 goals)
Nahas - 16 disposals, 7 marks, 5 tackles & 1 goal
Houli - 15 disposals, 5 marks
Conca - 14 disposals (9K, 5H)
Grigg - 14 disposals (9K, 5H)
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Foley has been very good, although alot of cheap handbells across half back.
Riewoldt, King, Martin also good.
Grimes has spoiled everything and deserves to be in our best IMHO. I think we have a real gem with him.
Edwards quiet and cost us a few. Gus hasnt done much.
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Newman hamstring
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Eff this is frustrating to watch!!!
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Just seen the scores. What is happening. Have we dropped off or has lions stepped it up
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Bit of both.
Like last week though, whenever the Lions go forward they seem to look really dangerous. The 2nd quarter they hardly went forward that's why we did well.
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Hopefully our 3rd qtr was our bad qtr for the game and we can stronger in the 4th.
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Some amazing disposal numbers coming up for our midfielders in that first half
Foley - 26 disposals (8K 18H), 4 marks, 2 tackles
Martin - 21 disposals (17K 4H), 2 marks, 1 tackle, 1 goal (7 disposals in scoring involvements resulting in 4 goals)
Nahas - 16 disposals, 7 marks, 5 tackles & 1 goal
Houli - 15 disposals, 5 marks
Conca - 14 disposals (9K, 5H)
Grigg - 14 disposals (9K, 5H)
At 3 quarter time
Foley with 37 disposals and 8 clearances
Martin with 30 disposals
Houli 23
Grigg 23
Some serious leather poisoning going on there
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
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Win :)
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
Don't agree with Miller Dooks. Thought he had a very good first half and was responsible for getting a lot of opportunities for Jack.
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
Cant agree with you on this one, thought Miller had one of his best games, brought the ball to ground well, also Nason was quite influential considering he came on earlier than he would have expected. Deledio yes he was quieter than usual but made a couple of telling spoils and his disposal as usual is all class. Newman did what he had to do but certainly was no passenger, thought overall it was a good team effort even though we probably butchered a number of scoring opportunities.
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http://youtu.be/9QS0q3mGPGg
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
C'mon Dookie, Miller and Nason both played there part and were more than efective tonight??........Edwards was quite tonight but at least he was efficent!
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Rance's best most complete game for the club. His improvement has been staggering tbh from last season to now. His spoiling, body work, strength, DECISION MAKING and skills have gone through the roof.
Nahas - his last 2 weeks have been sensational. Gives us another much needed dimension, is becoming very damaging and his mistakes are diminishing.
Thought Miller has stabilised/organised our forward structure, tonight included - he just needs to bloody kick some goals - momentum killer.
I know Nason gets no love here but thought he was good tonight, love his run.
One problem we have is that our bit part players who play a defined role go completely missing when our stars get shut down ala the 3rd quarter. Players like White, King, Edwards, Nason need to take a leaf out of nahas's book and get in there and help out when the chips are down.
Im sorry but I've really gone off Edwards as a player completely. I know he did some good things in close but he makes me want to go hooligan when he has the ball 'outside'. He's a heart in your mouth type player everytime he gets the damn ball!
Thought Vickery's game was about as good as we've seen from him. His body work is improving and I loved his tackle on McGrath and the way he rubbed it in when he had him down, showed some ****!
Apart from that Martin was awesome, Foley was very very good, Cotchin started well but faded, Conca is coming along well, Deledio was solid, King (another 3 goals lol) and ofcourse jack is a bloody gun 5 goals - great tussle with Merrett
We've definitely improved but we still have a long way to go - hate it when we get too cute
edit: forgot to add what was with Grigg's performance tonight? Was he right? bc he looked like he was running with cement boots, seemed to be labouring bigtime
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Houli - improving every week. In and under. Hard ball contests.
Vickery- gaining confidence.worth persisting with.
Gus- I love big,slow dumb dogs. Gus iS one. Tries all night.in the middle.
White- GOod.
Lids- down but ok. Just.
Foley- gets a lot of ball but is the king of tight space handball which is a problem when your skills aren't specified to such a low percentage aspect of the game.
Martin- gun
Conca And Grimes- taking the game on.
Cotchin- quiet
Missed JAckson.
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good wrap TM, Gus probably pl;ayed his best game tonight, I mark him hard, but tonight he did alot more good than bad...and mcguane after a bloody ordinary 1st qtr was excellent on Clark , did not give him a sniff for 3 qtrs
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martin 10 kicks 4 handballs and a goal! :thumbsup
Plus 6 clangers
Ekto do you cut yourself?
Life is good mate, smile.
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
Miller provided an option, made Brisbanes defence accountable along with Vickery so they couldn't triple team Jack.
Nason kicked 2 goals?
Bad call.
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Rance's best most complete game for the club. His improvement has been staggering tbh from last season to now. His spoiling, body work, strength, DECISION MAKING and skills have gone through the roof.
Nahas - his last 2 weeks have been sensational. Gives us another much needed dimension, is becoming very damaging and his mistakes are diminishing.
Thought Miller has stabilised/organised our forward structure, tonight included - he just needs to bloody kick some goals - momentum killer.
I know Nason gets no love here but thought he was good tonight, love his run.
One problem we have is that our bit part players who play a defined role go completely missing when our stars get shut down ala the 3rd quarter. Players like White, King, Edwards, Nason need to take a leaf out of nahas's book and get in there and help out when the chips are down.
Im sorry but I've really gone off Edwards as a player completely. I know he did some good things in close but he makes me want to go hooligan when he has the ball 'outside'. He's a heart in your mouth type player everytime he gets the damn ball!
Thought Vickery's game was about as good as we've seen from him. His body work is improving and I loved his tackle on McGrath and the way he rubbed it in when he had him down, showed some ****!
Apart from that Martin was awesome, Foley was very very good, Cotchin started well but faded, Conca is coming along well, Deledio was solid, King (another 3 goals lol) and ofcourse jack is a bloody gun 5 goals - great tussle with Merrett
We've definitely improved but we still have a long way to go - hate it when we get too cute
edit: forgot to add what was with Grigg's performance tonight? Was he right? bc he looked like he was running with cement boots, seemed to be labouring bigtime
Great post tm.
Grigg wasn't sensational but very good. Went to Black and shut him down at stages.
Houli was also very good in the backline.
The whole side was very good.
Only ones disappointing were Graham and Edwards.
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a very good win.
brisbane never threw in the towel. to see the way the boys can withstand opposition pressure, :cheers unlike the wallet years.
that win means so much more than if we had beaten a rabble like port!
they stood up when it was needed to stand up :thumbsup
still a long way to go but very good signs :gotigers
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
Miller provided an option, made Brisbanes defence accountable along with Vickery so they couldn't triple team Jack.
Nason kicked 2 goals?
Bad call.
I made my comment at 3quarter time. Nason had a ggod last quarter, however the other 2 were rubbish.
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Just arrived back. 40k must have North shaking their heads at their pathetic 16k today
Good solid win tonight. Had to win and we did.
Nahas and King played great games.
Love Grimes down back. Just needs size. Houli good game but Power did sneak in 4 goals.
Cant complain about Edwards tonight. 20 possys is a good day out compared to what he has been dishing up.
Loved Vickery tonight. Laid some serious tackles which resulted in goals. Good work back to his form of a few weeks back.
Home game against Freo coming
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martin 10 kicks 4 handballs and a goal! :thumbsup
Plus 6 clangers
Ekto do you cut yourself?
Life is good mate, smile.
I'm missing something Pope.
10 kicks in the first quarter is a lot different to 10 kicks, but six missed and were rebounded for opposition scores.
We need to keep it real mate.
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martin 10 kicks 4 handballs and a goal! :thumbsup
Plus 6 clangers
Ekto do you cut yourself?
Life is good mate, smile.
I'm missing something Pope.
10 kicks in the first quarter is a lot different to 10 kicks, but six missed and were rebounded for opposition scores.
We need to keep it real mate.
Just seemed far to quick to shoot it down.
As far as 6 clangers goes I'm not sure what game or stats your watching he finished the night with 5 clangers from 30 possessions @ 66% efficiency.
Add 1 goal, 7 possessions resulting in a tiger goal.
On the back of a 33 possie, 4 goal BOG with stupid media hype.
Its a reasonable return.
It's probably OK to be excited about, not everything has to be bad in this world.
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martin makes some serious clangers at times.
disposal mistakes someone with his talent shouldn't make. he needs to eradicate that from his game.
he is something special though.
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Chimp looked off the pace tonight. Possibly suffering from the heavy knock he got to the ribs last week.
Grigg had a shocker with the boot.
Nahas played his best game for the club and great to have the VC back :thumbsup
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Wahoooooooo, just got the scores, great stuff, jet lagged to hell but I am going to have a few and celebrate... :thumbsup
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Here's the video highlights of the game:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/350641/richmond-v-brisbane-highlights/
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Any idea if the song is linked on the net anywhere?
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
Miller provided an option, made Brisbanes defence accountable along with Vickery so they couldn't triple team Jack.
Nason kicked 2 goals?
Bad call.
I made my comment at 3quarter time. Nason had a ggod last quarter, however the other 2 were rubbish.
Yeah fair call. Nason was quite until the last.
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Any idea if the song is linked on the net anywhere?
I haven't seen it yet Pope.
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The thing I liked about this game when I saw the result and last weeks game is the amount of goals we have scored. 18 today is a great result, Jack only (only...hehe) kicked 5 so our spread of goal kickers has lifted..great to see!
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Always thought that this was a danger game so I was very relieved to see Richmond win.
Is it just me or do Brisbane go "all right" for a 0-5 team.
Serious man crush on the "Push Up King".......11 goals in 5 games.(22 in his last 10).
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Is it just me or do Brisbane go "all right" for a 0-5 team.
They've been competitive in all but one game this year so yep their 0-5 record doesn't show that. Still I thought we were pretty ordinary last night skill-wise especially going inside 50. Based on the amount of play we had we really should have kicked another 10 goals. We missed or stuffed up about 5 decent chances in the 2nd quarter and another 5 in the last. We also overpossessed with handball and our disposal by foot wasn't crash hot at times either missing wide open targets. It was frustrating to watch at times. You can't afford to waste opportunities against top sides and gift them back possession. Thankfully we were playing only Brisbane who are also bottom 5 standard. Nice to get another win and even when challenged in the 3rd qtr I always thought we'd still get across the line but we are still miles off moving up the ladder based on last night.
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martin makes some serious clangers at times.
disposal mistakes someone with his talent shouldn't make. he needs to eradicate that from his game.
he is something special though.
the clangers seem to occur when he is kicking extremely short or going to short options. Still, hes going very well, hopefully he will improve further.
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Overall I was really pleased with the win. We still have alot of issues, on a really positive note, Alex Rance could make alot of us eat our words. His improvement has been extraordinary. He was terrific tonight. Credit where Credits due. He was very good and 99% of his kicking was exceptional.
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Last night crowd of over 37k was the largest for a Richmond vs Brisbane game. So well done to us Tiger supporters :).
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good wrap TM, Gus probably pl;ayed his best game tonight, I mark him hard, but tonight he did alot more good than bad...
Agree that he was better than he has been but it was still nowhere near the level required of a ruckman in an AFL side. Still doesn't impose himself on contests, doesn't take near enough marks and is useless around the ground. And don't get me started on his 'concussion'. Have a look at the replays and he doesn't get a full whack from Jack yet goes down like Tyson has given him 3 good 'uns. The difference in Graham and most other players is that other players would have shrugged that off and tried to stay on the ground, Graham stayed down until help came and then ran off straight into the rooms. Bloody marshmallow.
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Overall I was really pleased with the win. We still have alot of issues, on a really positive note, Alex Rance could make alot of us eat our words. His improvement has been extraordinary. He was terrific tonight. Credit where Credits due. He was very good and 99% of his kicking was exceptional.
Fully agree Ramps.
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Is it just me or do Brisbane go "all right" for a 0-5 team.
They've been competitive in all but one game this year so yep their 0-5 record doesn't show that. Still I thought we were pretty ordinary last night skill-wise especially going inside 50. Based on the amount of play we had we really should have kicked another 10 goals. We missed or stuffed up about 5 decent chances in the 2nd quarter and another 5 in the last. We also overpossessed with handball and our disposal by foot wasn't crash hot at times either missing wide open targets. It was frustrating to watch at times. You can't afford to waste opportunities against top sides and gift them back possession. Thankfully we were playing only Brisbane who are also bottom 5 standard. Nice to get another win and even when challenged in the 3rd qtr I always thought we'd still get across the line but we are still miles off moving up the ladder based on last night.
We certainly should have won by more based on the general play and Hardwick made an interesting comment at quarter time. He said our first quarter was "Mad Hatter" football, paying at top speed taking heaps of risks and then getting caught on the rebound. His quarter time message was to slow it down a bit and 'think' our way forward and it definitely showed after that. I think in the 3rd quarter we may have even been guilty of slowing it down too much but as many teams have found over the years, Simon Black on top is almost unstoppable. We really missed Jackson and it just makes me more angry with him for that act of stupidity last week.
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Overall I was really pleased with the win. We still have alot of issues, on a really positive note, Alex Rance could make alot of us eat our words. His improvement has been extraordinary. He was terrific tonight. Credit where Credits due. He was very good and 99% of his kicking was exceptional.
Fully agree Ramps.
yep.
I think he may have shanked one kick badly the rest of the time he looked OK.
Dont think he is the smartest footballer going about but he is looking more likely to be able to fill role.
On our overall skill levels they are slowly improving. This is something that will not happen overnight but is happening.
Is it just me or do Brisbane go "all right" for a 0-5 team.
They've been competitive in all but one game this year so yep their 0-5 record doesn't show that. Still I thought we were pretty ordinary last night skill-wise especially going inside 50. Based on the amount of play we had we really should have kicked another 10 goals. We missed or stuffed up about 5 decent chances in the 2nd quarter and another 5 in the last. We also overpossessed with handball and our disposal by foot wasn't crash hot at times either missing wide open targets. It was frustrating to watch at times. You can't afford to waste opportunities against top sides and gift them back possession. Thankfully we were playing only Brisbane who are also bottom 5 standard. Nice to get another win and even when challenged in the 3rd qtr I always thought we'd still get across the line but we are still miles off moving up the ladder based on last night.
This is why it was a good win. to beat an opposition that is having a proper go and around the same skill level shows the sort of character needed to be successful. the improvement in the skills will come with experience and the natural attrition of those that plateau in development/improvement before they reach the required level
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martin makes some serious clangers at times.
disposal mistakes someone with his talent shouldn't make. he needs to eradicate that from his game.
he is something special though.
He will! at least he takes it on, there was one instance in the 3rd we started ring a rosy and were in serious danger of turning it over inside 50 until Martin got it and just BANG straight on the boot down the wing, resulted in a goal to us.
I can deal with the odd clanger the way Martin plays, Don't you worry bout dat!
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WE WON a game that in the past when challenged we would have lost
we won the game with many wounded players
we won the game with pro lion umpires
we won the game with a short and young defence
we won the game when we didnt play our best
we won the game cos we never gave up and had self belief
many many positives in this game
i do think we are still too small in defence, and have too many holes in defence.
i do think miller should go to CHB as soon as griffiths is ready to come in at CHF
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Positives for me were Martin's game. He backed up his performance against North. Nahas, King and Foley were very good. Jack played well and kicked a critical goal in the 3rd term. Our tackling was outstanding.from the minute go we tackled well. Grimes impressed. His spoiling was very good. Conca also impressed. Thought Houli was a stand out. His disposal was very good. Shaun was also good. More of a spread of good players. Vickery's ability to get the ball after going to ground was good.
The biggest concern for me is our rucking Divsion. Graham was poor again last night. Brown on MMM gave him the third worst player on the ground. Said he was too easily bumped off ball. Graham's tackle on McGrath was the only good thing I saw him do. Inaccuracy in front of goal is a concern we missed some sitters. Nahas I think kicked one on the full as did Miller. Vickery could have kicked 4 goals. We should have thrashed them. Let them stay in game because of this. Loss of intensity in 3rd quarter and over use of ball concerns as well. Very happy with the attitude of the players specifically courage eg Jake King's mark.
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Aside from the 3rd quarter meltdown I was pretty pleased. Hand balling backwards between our inexperienced back line in the 3rd was excruciating. Mcguane looked completely disinterested. Always a worry when he gets the ball. We could have crumbled, but we didn't. Jake king, nahas, vickerys forward pressure, bachars job on power in the last 1/3 of the game, grimes spoils, and our running were all good signs. Brisbane looked dog tired halfway through the last, and we looked in control. We've got alot more to improve on, but when you see the guys grabbing their jumper on their chest after kicking goals you know they want this just as much as we do. Go TIGES!
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Brisbane looked dog tired halfway through the last, and we looked in control.
Yep. And when you consider that they had a 9 day break and we only had 6 you could be forgiven for thinking that it would have been the other way around. Voss even mentioned mid-game that they were expecting us to be affected by the short break. Just goes to show how much harder it is chasing than being chased. We ran them ragged in the first half and it payed off in the last.
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Notes on a few players:
Alex Rance is really starting to impress me I must say. He's looking much more composed than he has in the past couple of seasons, and he's stepped up at a time when he's needed to. Young Grimesy, he's a genuine hard worker with a fantastic attitude, and whilst he definitely needs to work on some of the basics in terms of skill, he's showing some very promising signs as a defender who can spoil. That was surely Robin Nahas' best game in a long time, he was superb even towards the end when he looked completely stuffed, and Dustin Martin was as classy as ever.
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Too many passengers for Richmond.
Miller, Edwards, nason all ineffective. Deledio and captain quiet
Miller was good again last night.
once again he cleared passages for smaller forwards, his handballs to advantage was excellent.
the matty white goal on the run was a classic.
keep up the good work Brad :thumbsup
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If he gets his set shot kick right he'll be a real weapon.
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If he gets his set shot kick right he'll be a real weapon.
Correct :thumbsup
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I like Miller. The role he is playing isn't too central that it holding back development but what he does is involve others which is improving development.
He's allowing Jack right of passage, taking a key defender with him as well as helping the team play to a game plan that isn't Riewoldt central.
Really liking his input.
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I like Miller. The role he is playing isn't too central that it holding back development but what he does is involve others which is improving development.
He's allowing Jack right of passage, taking a key defender with him as well as helping the team play to a game plan that isn't Riewoldt central.
Really liking his input.
Yep, what he said.
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when miller decides to bring the ball to ground it does most times.
he is creating opportunities for our crumbers.
he is just average at best skill wise but has smarts and endeavor.
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Nahas - his last 2 weeks have been sensational. Gives us another much needed dimension, is becoming very damaging and his mistakes are diminishing.
Been highly critical of Nahas and despite going to ground on a couple of occasions I thought it was his best game last night by a long long way. He was BOG by a huge margin
Thought Vickery's game was about as good as we've seen from him. His body work is improving and I loved his tackle on McGrath and the way he rubbed it in when he had him down, showed some ****!
Absolutely agree but it needs to become the norm rather than the exception, the fact he made contests was the most pleasing thing IMHO
we won the game with pro lion umpires
You are kidding User - I thought the umpiring was very good, little impact on the contest = the way it should be
Overall I was really pleased with the win. We still have alot of issues, on a really positive note, Alex Rance could make alot of us eat our words. His improvement has been extraordinary. He was terrific tonight. Credit where Credits due. He was very good and 99% of his kicking was exceptional.
yep he was very good last night
Love Grimes down back. Just needs size. Houli good game but Power did sneak in 4 goals.
Only 2 things that are concerning me about Grimes at the moment is his wanting to constantly spoil, couple of times last night he should have gone the mark instead of the punch.
The other is he goes to ground alot after spoiling which isn't an issue if the spoil sends the ball over the line but when it doesn't and opposition are keeping their feet it can hurt on the scorebard
They are 2 minor things that I know in time will get sorted out but I hope it is getting pointed out to him now because the kid is actually a reasonable contested mark
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If he gets his set shot kick right he'll be a real weapon.
Agreed, its great to have him there cos of his experience.
IF he can get his kicking on track he could bag maybe 2-3 a game
I will look forward to seeing what our forward line is capable of against stronger teams in the weeks to come
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Only 2 things that are concerning me about Grimes at the moment is his wanting to constantly spoil, couple of times last night he should have gone the mark instead of the punch.
better to get it wrong that way than mark when he should spoil. Kid playing his 3rd game or so, being a bit conservative is ok.
That will change with confidence i reckon.
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Only 2 things that are concerning me about Grimes at the moment is his wanting to constantly spoil, couple of times last night he should have gone the mark instead of the punch.
better to get it wrong that way than mark when he should spoil. Kid playing his 3rd game or so, being a bit conservative is ok.
That will change with confidence i reckon.
Agree al, just can think of 2 times last night where Rance put on the block for him to take the mark and he spoiled - needs to look at the tape and learn from it
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nothing wrong with mistakes if you learn from them.
could the problem be lack of talk from rance?
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nothing wrong with mistakes if you learn from them.
could the problem be lack of talk from rance?
Possibily
Agree the key is learning frm things which I reckon Grimes will do
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Rance's best most complete game for the club. His improvement has been staggering tbh from last season to now. His spoiling, body work, strength, DECISION MAKING and skills have gone through the roof.
Nahas - his last 2 weeks have been sensational. Gives us another much needed dimension, is becoming very damaging and his mistakes are diminishing.
Thought Miller has stabilised/organised our forward structure, tonight included - he just needs to bloody kick some goals - momentum killer.
I know Nason gets no love here but thought he was good tonight, love his run.
One problem we have is that our bit part players who play a defined role go completely missing when our stars get shut down ala the 3rd quarter. Players like White, King, Edwards, Nason need to take a leaf out of nahas's book and get in there and help out when the chips are down.
Im sorry but I've really gone off Edwards as a player completely. I know he did some good things in close but he makes me want to go hooligan when he has the ball 'outside'. He's a heart in your mouth type player everytime he gets the damn ball!
Thought Vickery's game was about as good as we've seen from him. His body work is improving and I loved his tackle on McGrath and the way he rubbed it in when he had him down, showed some ****!
Apart from that Martin was awesome, Foley was very very good, Cotchin started well but faded, Conca is coming along well, Deledio was solid, King (another 3 goals lol) and ofcourse jack is a bloody gun 5 goals - great tussle with Merrett
We've definitely improved but we still have a long way to go - hate it when we get too cute
edit: forgot to add what was with Grigg's performance tonight? Was he right? bc he looked like he was running with cement boots, seemed to be labouring bigtime
agree with all of that. great summary.
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I'll also admit that Nahas did a good job last night. His handing off of the ball when under pressure was very good.
He's still too small though, but he's really having a crack.
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I'll also admit that Nahas did a good job last night. His handing off of the ball when under pressure was very good.
He's still too small though, but he's really having a crack.
he's obviously fitter than ever before. Can run and help in defence as well as kicking sneaky goals up forward. He's not gonna out body anyone but his pace and now with his endurance he's really stepped up into an important player for us.
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I can watch the highlights of this game on YouTube via big pond but I can't seem to find a replay any ware. Infamy sent me so links to try but I couldn't get on, does anyone know where else I can get a replay or do I have to join Bigpond..??
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foxtel should have a replay
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foxtel should have a replay
We don't get it here in Africa though Jack, I need to download it from the net.
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jack what did you make of tyrones game last night?
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foxtel should have a replay
Not until Tuesday arvo at 4.30pm
Pathetic >:(
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jack what did you make of tyrones game last night?
Much better, although his kicking let him down, the 25 metres kick that should have hit Miller lace up was poor , easy goal went missing.
As I said on a previous post, he averages 5 possesions a game and needs to get his hands on the ball at least 15 times a game.
To have 2 kicks and 2 handballs a quarter in a game aint too hard.
He improved last night and had 10 possesions.
Needs to go on with it now
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foxtel should have a replay
Not until Tuesday arvo at 4.30pm
Pathetic >:(
Got IQ, have watched it twice already
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
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Got IQ, have watched it twice already
Don't have IQ - refuse to pay another $110 to have the box changed over by the money grabbing thieves ;D
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Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
Agree Jack distnace is the key for mine, he's a long accurate kick when we need it
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If you were pick our best Defensive 6 players
You would have Moore, McGaune Grimes as talls.
Newman, Houli Grigg/Lids etc.
Conca and Batchelor
Connors ?
Where does that leave Rance then ??
Astbury ?
Post ?
Thursfield ?
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If you were pick our best Defensive 6 players
You would have Moore, McGaune Grimes as talls.
Newman, Houli Grigg/Lids etc.
Conca and Batchelor
Connors ?
Where does that leave Rance then ??
Astbury ?
Post ?
Thursfield ?
Connors on last chance really for mine, Astbury will be in there, he is the future, Post; not sure if he will make it, Thursty gone and I would throw Rance up forward as he can and has kicked goals.
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rance poor kick, has been played up forward in pre season games and struggled
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too hard on Ranca jack, he has improved his defensive skills markedly and decision making is now far more crisp than the wham bam efforts of his early days...My tip is he will easily be our BEST defender by seasons end :gotigers
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Rance can't be a rebounder, too much of a gump
Tall enough for KP, 194cm
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Rance poor kick, has been played up forward in pre season games and struggled
I thought his kicking was allright the other night, the more confidence he gets the better he will be. I am glad he is getting a few games under his belt as he has improved out of site allready this season.....
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Chimp looked off the pace tonight. Possibly suffering from the heavy knock he got to the ribs last week.
Grigg had a shocker with the boot.
Nahas played his best game for the club and great to have the VC back :thumbsup
Hey mate, just wait til my man Mitchy farmer comes back. him and benny nase :cheers Those guys can play, guy. cant wait
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Chimp looked off the pace tonight. Possibly suffering from the heavy knock he got to the ribs last week.
Grigg had a shocker with the boot.
Nahas played his best game for the club and great to have the VC back :thumbsup
Hey mate, just wait til my man Mitchy farmer comes back. him and benny nase :cheers Those guys can play, guy. cant wait
Hey Ronnie, welcome to the site. :thumbsup
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Hardest l seen a Tiger side play in a very long times. very pleased :thumbsup
Pleased to see Raines cop a few hard hits :rollin
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
Rance is 193cm Jackstar - he's a FB that offers some run and has improved his 1 on 1 contesting - found a good balance on saturday night.
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
Rance is 193cm Jackstar - he's a FB that offers some run and has improved his 1 on 1 contesting - found a good balance on saturday night.
Rance according to the RFC site is 194cm
Grimes 193 cm & McGuane is 192cm
Yet somehow Grimes & McGuane have the height required, but Rance doesn't
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
Rance is 193cm Jackstar - he's a FB that offers some run and has improved his 1 on 1 contesting - found a good balance on saturday night.
Rance according to the RFC site is 194cm
Grimes 193 cm & McGuane is 192cm
Yet somehow Grimes & McGuane have the height required, but Rance doesn't
funny that :lol whats also amusing is he's the only one that has a big strong body (which he's starting to learn how to use). Little things like bumps and chest to chest can give an insight into a persons core strength and i noticed when Clarke had a crack at Rance during the night, Rance absorbed the contact like it was coming from Nahas
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
Rance is 193cm Jackstar - he's a FB that offers some run and has improved his 1 on 1 contesting - found a good balance on saturday night.
Rance according to the RFC site is 194cm
Grimes 193 cm & McGuane is 192cm
Yet somehow Grimes & McGuane have the height required, but Rance doesn't
:ROTFL
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do you expect eade& Scott get angry when lake & Scarlett get rebounded positions?
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
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Just slightly off tangent but 4 Tigers made this round's Herald-Sun side of the week - Martin, Nahas, Foley and Jack.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/team-of-the-round
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do you expect eade& Scott get angry when lake & Scarlett get rebounded positions?
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What about Rance JJ, what did you think?
thought Rance was okay.
he got too much uncontested possesion though.
Dont like backman zoning off and getting easy uncontested possesion.
problem with rance is this, i dont know if he is a key backman or a rebounding backman ala Chris Newman.
He doesnt have the height to be a permanent Key back person like Grimes and Mcgaune and his kicking is only average so he would be the last person you would want rebounding out of D 50.
Liked Houli game as a Defensive 6 player, used the ball well laterally and got distance
would think if your as good as Scarlett and lake, they could do what they want.
also rance hasnt good vertical leap
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also if rance does play on tall opposition forward, eg Cloke and Dawes, Brown etc. he just hasnt the leap to combat taller opponents.
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Richmond highlights from the Brisbane game:
http://bigpondvideo.com/RichmondTV/351035/tiger-takes-round-6/
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Also full replay today at 4.30pm for those who got Foxtel or Optus Pay.
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Newy and Browny review the Lions game...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/351231/default.aspx
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also if rance does play on tall opposition forward, eg Cloke and Dawes, Brown etc. he just hasnt the leap to combat taller opponents.
saw the game again on tv jacko - rance was very very good and your being pretty hard in your assessment of him. Hes definately improved IMHO. Infact based on what weve seen this year, hes improved lots.
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I think so too Flagman. In his three games he has been great. Most improved member of our backline. Can definentely on this form and improvement see him hold down a defensive post no doubt. :thumbsup
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Champion Data Fantasy Stats up to round 6...
Player Position Price Change Games TOG% Pts Per Min Ave. BE L4 3 4 5 6
Dustin Martin Mid $390,300 $93,500 6 83% 1.00 104 58 117 94 113 141 119
Daniel Jackson Mid $372,800 $14,800 5 82% 0.92 96 121 97 109 99 84
Brett Deledio Def/Mid $364,200 -$7,100 6 90% 0.81 91 97 92 51 118 98 102
Shaun Grigg Mid $353,900 $7,200 6 84% 0.86 90 112 90 70 113 78 99
Trent Cotchin Mid $335,400 $27,600 6 80% 0.88 89 84 90 68 102 98 91
Bachar Houli Mid $304,000 $48,900 6 81% 0.82 83 18 93 65 78 114 116
Angus Graham Ruck $305,200 $25,300 6 86% 0.75 81 106 79 70 103 71 72
Robin Nahas Fwd $282,300 $18,000 6 78% 0.80 78 -6 89 94 26 98 138
Alex Rance Def $236,700 $21,600 3 100% 0.62 78 19 87 87 87
Nathan Foley Mid $295,200 $59,300 6 72% 0.85 77 10 95 74 75 108 123
Chris Newman Def $310,500 -$30,000 6 85% 0.72 76 123 73 47 114 58 72
Jack Riewoldt Fwd $278,900 -$68,600 6 85% 0.63 68 31 75 48 55 105 91
Brad Miller Fwd $223,100 $11,300 3 97% 0.54 67 33 67 52 85 64
Reece Conca Mid $214,300 $73,800 6 73% 0.67 61 28 66 30 87 70 77
Shane Edwards Fwd/Mid $257,900 -$31,500 6 74% 0.66 61 77 64 31 90 64 69
Matt White Mid $233,200 -$10,300 6 87% 0.55 60 46 63 37 71 53 91
Jake King Def/Fwd $211,100 -$26,700 5 91% 0.49 56 42 54 57 28 59 71
Ben Nason Fwd $227,500 $0 2 66% 0.61 51 83 51 44 58
Mitch Morton Fwd/Mid $285,100 -$30,200 3 95% 0.42 50 131 63 63
Tyrone Vickery Ruck $173,500 $1,500 6 83% 0.48 50 51 45 61 29 25 65
Daniel Connors Def $330,800 -$52,700 3 62% 0.59 45 155 43 43
Will Thursfield Def $160,800 $0 1 95% 0.36 44 44 44
Jake Batchelor Def $146,700 $54,200 5 79% 0.44 43 20 51 52 69 31
Luke McGuane Def $178,600 -$16,300 4 99% 0.33 41 52 47 54 40
Dylan Grimes Def $122,500 $18,700 4 94% 0.31 37 12 37 22 36 41 47
Bradley Helbig Mid $117,100 $24,600 4 61% 0.44 34 45 25 41 9
Shane Tuck Mid $400,100 $0 2 26% 1.00 33 260 33 35 31
David Astbury Def/Fwd $149,000 -$48,400 4 95% 0.21 25 81 20 18 22
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Coaches votes (Hardwick and Voss):
10 Dustin Martin (Rich)
6 Robin Nahas (Rich)
5 Simon Black (Bris)
3 Nathan Foley (Rich)
3 Jack Riewoldt (Rich)
2 Jake King (Rich)
1 Bachar Houli (Rich)
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Crazy Vossy not happy :lol