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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 30, 2011, 11:09:12 PM
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Tucky hurt his ribs so there may be one forced changed. Any other changes?
Fire away....
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Out: Tuck
In: Jackson
Don't mess with the makeup of a side that has won 2 in a row
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Sorry OE beat me to it:
In: Jackson, Post
Out: Tuck, Graham
Chances In: Helbig, Morton (Another forward option)
Chances Out: Edwards (needs a game in the 2's), Nason (Was OK but seemed to only come into it when we were on top)
I'd rather have Post/Vickery rotating in the ruck/spectating against Sandilands and one always up forward resting, then having a full time ruckman Graham who is ordinary at best who wont compete and provides nothing else. Post at least can go forward.
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Out: Tuck :thumbsup
In: Jackson
Don't mess with the makeup of a side that has won 2 in a row
agreed
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We can't honestly think that Graham vs Sandilands is going to work.
If we are going to lose in the ruck, lets make sure the ruckman we have beats Sandi around the grounds. Gus wont win anything next week.
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Out: Tuck :thumbsup
In: Jackson
Don't mess with the makeup of a side that has won 2 in a row
agreed
X 3....we need to play a good 4 quarter game to be any chance of beating the Dockers.
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Out: Tuck
In: Jackson
That'll be it
Personally I wouldn't bring Jackson back think he should earn it but Dimma loves him so he will come straight in
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like to see jackson do at least a weeks penance at coburg.
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Out: Tuck
In: Jackson
That'll be it
Personally I wouldn't bring Jackson back think he should earn it but Dimma loves him so he will come straight in
It would be handy to have him back, it is tempting. However he is the fourth player this year to miss a game due to suspension.
The club should be tough disciplen him for another week then bring him back. I personally would like to see him back in but I think a lesson should be learnt from every time they have a "stupid moment" on field.
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The real positive about us at the moment is we have a few players playing at Coburg that are senior players. (Conners, Astbury, Morton) And a few others that are right on the borderline (Browne, Dea, Post Webberley Farmer, Helbig) Just having 3 or 4 players putting real pressure on the players in the 22 is a massive bonus and only creates a better side. Once we get that number to about 10 to 12 players really capable of playing senior footy we will be a top 8 side.
Also totally agree about Jackson, give him another week, maybe even 2 at Coburg just to let him and others know that if you don't want to do the right thing by your mates, you will be left out.
Out- Tuck, Nason
In- Helbig, Farmer (may need him to stop some of Freeo's small forwards)
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In - Jackson, Helbig
Out - Tuck, Nason
Even though he pulled his act together in the last quarter for 2 quarters Nason was running around like a rugby convert :o I like Helbigs attack in the ball and endevour. I'm not sure he has the required endurance to take the 22nd spot on the team at the moment. If Helbig hasn't the legs at the moment, Webberley would be my next choice over the rag doll Nason.
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The real positive about us at the moment is we have a few players playing at Coburg that are senior players. (Conners, Astbury, Morton) And a few others that are right on the borderline (Browne, Dea, Post Webberley Farmer, Helbig) Just having 3 or 4 players putting real pressure on the players in the 22 is a massive bonus and only creates a better side. Once we get that number to about 10 to 12 players really capable of playing senior footy we will be a top 8 side.
Also totally agree about Jackson, give him another week, maybe even 2 at Coburg just to let him and others know that if you don't want to do the right thing by your mates, you will be left out.
Out- Tuck, Nason
In- Helbig, Farmer (may need him to stop some of Freeo's small forwards)
Thanks BT I should have said that in my first post, they let their mates down when they dont play, Im all for aggresive play lets just not cross the line :)
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Infamy spot on.
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like to see jackson do at least a weeks penance at coburg.
I agree al but as WP said Dimma will bring him straight back in. Dimma said Jacko's absence hurt us in find match up for Black so it shows he is one of the coach's favourites.
I still think guys like Edwards and Whitey are lucky to be in the side but with Coburg getting thrashed again it's hard to see any unforced changes.
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Unfortunately I think Tuck will be out due to injury so Jackson should come in. I would drop Edwards and bring in Helbig.
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The real positive about us at the moment is we have a few players playing at Coburg that are senior players. (Conners, Astbury, Morton) And a few others that are right on the borderline (Browne, Dea, Post Webberley Farmer, Helbig) Just having 3 or 4 players putting real pressure on the players in the 22 is a massive bonus and only creates a better side. Once we get that number to about 10 to 12 players really capable of playing senior footy we will be a top 8 side.
Problem is they are all playing rubbish.
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like to see jackson do at least a weeks penance at coburg.
I agree al but as WP said Dimma will bring him straight back in. Dimma said Jacko's absence hurt us in find match up for Black so it shows he is one of the coach's favourites.
I still think guys like Edwards and Whitey are lucky to be in the side but with Coburg getting thrashed again it's hard to see any unforced changes.
I have always supported Hardwick even before we officially appointed him, but this aspect has started to disappoint me, Hardwick is starting to play favorites, its a bad move, seen the same movie of 25 years, he shouldnt go down that road, it wont help his coaching career in the long run.
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like to see jackson do at least a weeks penance at coburg.
I agree al but as WP said Dimma will bring him straight back in. Dimma said Jacko's absence hurt us in find match up for Black so it shows he is one of the coach's favourites.
I still think guys like Edwards and Whitey are lucky to be in the side but with Coburg getting thrashed again it's hard to see any unforced changes.
I have always supported Hardwick even before we officially appointed him, but this aspect has started to disappoint me, Hardwick is starting to play favorites, its a bad move, seen the same movie of 25 years, he shouldnt go down that road, it wont help his coaching career in the long run.
How is he playing favourites Ramps? Jackson is easily in our best 22 and was sorely missed on Sat night. No club in the league would keep one of their key players out of the side after serving a suspension, just to teach him a lesson, unless his trangressions had become like a Barry Hall scenario and I think Jackson is way off that just yet. I commented a few days back that I thought he should be dropped from the leadership group and really that's about the extent of any sanctions the club would/should be considering. As for Edwards and White, they are certainly not winning games off their own boot but you can see Edwards working hard at his role in the team ( I thought he was better on Sat night but still has a way to go) and I don't see him getting dropped after a 23 possession game despite a couple of shanked kicks. White has been given mainly tagging jobs and has performed fairly well in that new role for him, and 17 disposals, 6 tackles, 5 inside 50's is not going to see him dropped either. Given that Hardwick has continually stressed this year is about development and getting games into players then it's entirely reasonable that he will give players extra time to come good, especially if given a different role, as long as that player is doing everything right as far as effort, team rules and game plans go.
I think any favoritism Hardwick is showing is to the 22 blokes who have won him the past couple of games and are showing by their performance that they want to play, and want to play Hardwick's way. Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned, I actually wouldn't want it any other way.
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Fair call smokey. Personally i would like to see him return via coburg but such a decision would be made by either the match comitte or more likely the leadership group rather than Hardwick himself so the accusation of hardwick playing favorites is probably a little unfair.
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How is he playing favourites Ramps?
I don't want to speak for Flagman smokey but seeing I was the one who raised the term "favourites" I would like to respond
There is not a doubt in my mind that all coaches to a degree play favourites, whether that be as simply as giving someone a few extra games in the seniors when most would think it isn't warranted when a player is horribly out of form
But back to Jackson.
Earlier this year Dimma said in an interview that while he was coach Dan Jackson would always get a game no matter what because he is an elite mid-fielder. Whether it was the intention or not it came across to me that he is playing favourites.
Coaches should not make statements like that as 1/ no one should have those types of guarantees and 2/ more importantly it sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just my take
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How is he playing favourites Ramps?
I don't want to speak for Flagman smokey but seeing I was the one who raised the term "favourites" I would like to respond
There is not a doubt in my mind that all coaches to a degree play favourites, whether that be as simply as giving someone a few extra games in the seniors when most would think it isn't warranted when a player is horribly out of form
But back to Jackson.
Earlier this year Dimma said in an interview that while he was coach Dan Jackson would always get a game no matter what because he is an elite mid-fielder. Whether it was the intention or not it came across to me that he is playing favourites.
Coaches should not make statements like that as 1/ no would should have those types of guarantees and 2/ more importantly it sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just my take
I agree completely
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Jackson is all gums
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How is he playing favourites Ramps?
I don't want to speak for Flagman smokey but seeing I was the one who raised the term "favourites" I would like to respond
There is not a doubt in my mind that all coaches to a degree play favourites, whether that be as simply as giving someone a few extra games in the seniors when most would think it isn't warranted when a player is horribly out of form
But back to Jackson.
Earlier this year Dimma said in an interview that while he was coach Dan Jackson would always get a game no matter what because he is an elite mid-fielder. Whether it was the intention or not it came across to me that he is playing favourites.
Coaches should not make statements like that as 1/ no one should have those types of guarantees and 2/ more importantly it sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just my take
I totally agree with your point about not making comments like that WP but I don't think I have seen any evidence yet of Hardwick playing favorites when form or circumstance demands otherwise. To me, he has been totally honest to his stated intention of prioritising development and game time. I'll use Graham as an example - if ever there was a case for dropping someone on poor performance then it's him and I can't possibly conceive that Hardwick has any fondness or favoritism for such a soft player yet he is being given an inordinate amount of time in the seniors to develop and succeed. You are right when you say that all coaches have favorites to some extent but it would be humanly impossible not to, even at the elite level, because by nature a player that ticks all the boxes of a coach's requirements will naturally be favored over someone that doesn't. That in itself is not an issue until team selections are being adversely affected by too much emphasis being placed on that favoritism and I can't see any shred of evidence of it in Hardwick's performance thus far.
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Jackson an elite midfielder lol
If hes an elite midfielder Im an astronaut.
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Jackson an elite midfielder lol
If hes an elite midfielder Im an astronaut.
Who said he is an elite midfielder?
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How is he playing favourites Ramps?
I don't want to speak for Flagman smokey but seeing I was the one who raised the term "favourites" I would like to respond
There is not a doubt in my mind that all coaches to a degree play favourites, whether that be as simply as giving someone a few extra games in the seniors when most would think it isn't warranted when a player is horribly out of form
But back to Jackson.
Earlier this year Dimma said in an interview that while he was coach Dan Jackson would always get a game no matter what because he is an elite mid-fielder. Whether it was the intention or not it came across to me that he is playing favourites.
Coaches should not make statements like that as 1/ no one should have those types of guarantees and 2/ more importantly it sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just my take
the coach smoke the coach!
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How is he playing favourites Ramps?
I don't want to speak for Flagman smokey but seeing I was the one who raised the term "favourites" I would like to respond
There is not a doubt in my mind that all coaches to a degree play favourites, whether that be as simply as giving someone a few extra games in the seniors when most would think it isn't warranted when a player is horribly out of form
But back to Jackson.
Earlier this year Dimma said in an interview that while he was coach Dan Jackson would always get a game no matter what because he is an elite mid-fielder. Whether it was the intention or not it came across to me that he is playing favourites.
Coaches should not make statements like that as 1/ no one should have those types of guarantees and 2/ more importantly it sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just my take
the coach smoke the coach!
Fair enough Ramps. Thought you meant me. :thumbsup
And I agree with you on that. He's an elite runner who is an important part of our midfield, nothing more.
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Jackson plays, Richmond will win. I want to win so put him in. :gotigers
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Jackson is elite in terms of his siZe big mid. Rowing background.
also good at hurting other team players. Unlike the nason types that have more chance of injury.
How is he playing favourites Ramps?
I don't want to speak for Flagman smokey but seeing I was the one who raised the term "favourites" I would like to respond
There is not a doubt in my mind that all coaches to a degree play favourites, whether that be as simply as giving someone a few extra games in the seniors when most would think it isn't warranted when a player is horribly out of form
But back to Jackson.
Earlier this year Dimma said in an interview that while he was coach Dan Jackson would always get a game no matter what because he is an elite mid-fielder. Whether it was the intention or not it came across to me that he is playing favourites.
Coaches should not make statements like that as 1/ no one should have those types of guarantees and 2/ more importantly it sends a poor message to the rest of the playing group.
Just my take
the coach smoke the coach!
Fair enough Ramps. Thought you meant me. :thumbsup
And I agree with you on that. He's an elite runner who is an important part of our midfield, nothing more.
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In - Jackson, Helbig
Out - Tuck, Nason
Even though he pulled his act together in the last quarter for 2 quarters Nason was running around like a rugby convert :o I like Helbigs attack in the ball and endevour. I'm not sure he has the required endurance to take the 22nd spot on the team at the moment. If Helbig hasn't the legs at the moment, Webberley would be my next choice over the rag doll Nason.
dont think helbig deserves a return just yet, agreed webbers should be given a game sooner rather than later
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Nothing earth-shattering but Greg Denham today says Jacko will come back in for Tuck.
In other team news, Richmond, which hosts Fremantle at the MCG on Saturday night, will be without midfielder Shane Tuck for its next two games after he was crunched in the first half against Brisbane last weekend. Despite scans revealing no fractures to Tuck's ribs, he will be replaced by midfielder Daniel Jackson, who returns from suspension.
Tigers second-year forward Ben Griffiths took his first step in resurrecting his career when he played half a game in the VFL reserves on Sunday following surgery to both shoulders last year. Griffiths, the 19th player selected overall in the 2009 national draft, showed potential in five senior games last season at centre half-forward and is expected to press for senior selection in the second half of the year.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/gold-coast-has-to-test-the-water-with-young-players-against-brisbane/story-e6frg7mf-1226048714296
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Footy Barometer - Round 7
Staff writers
From: Herald Sun
May 03, 2011
A COMPLETE rundown on every club's playing stocks. Who's hurt, who's in danger and who's on the cusp of selection.
RICHMOND
INJURED: Robin Nahas (test), Shane Tuck (TBC), Tom Hislop (available), Kelvin Moore (test), Ben Griffiths (1-2 weeks) , Daniel Connors (test), Ben Jakobi (2-3 weeks), Jamie O'Reilly (2-3 weeks)
ON THE BLOCK: Hard to point the finger after back-to-back wins.
ON THE CUSP: Jeromey Webberley, Andrew Browne, Dan Jackson
MICK WARNER’S FORECAST: Webberley and back-up ruckman Browne continue to impress in the VFL. Jackson returns from suspension. Mitch Morton wasn’t in the best in the VFL this week.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-barometer-round-7/story-e6frf9jf-1226041482103?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeraldSunAfl+%28Herald+Sun+|+AFL%29&utm_content=Twitter
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RICHMOND
INJURED: Robin Nahas (test), Shane Tuck (TBC), Tom Hislop (available), Kelvin Moore (test), Ben Griffiths (1-2 weeks) , Daniel Connors (test), Ben Jakobi (2-3 weeks), Jamie O'Reilly (2-3 weeks)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/footy-barometer-round-7/story-e6frf9jf-1226041482103?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HeraldSunAfl+%28Herald+Sun+|+AFL%29&utm_content=Twitter
What a crock
Griffiths played last week in Coburg's reserves so I dont' know where the 1-2 weeks cmes from
Ditto Jakobi - he was at a pre-match at the Brissie game and said he is right to go this week only problem Coburg has the bye
And can I add - the VFL draw this seaosn is a shocker. These VFL aligned clubs do themselves no favours regarding their alignments with their draw requests. :banghead :banghead
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IN: Jackson, Browne (no,not the songwriter)
OUT: Tuck, Graham
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Jacko for Tuck seems to be the logical choice.
Was thinking when Kelvin Moore is available will make our backline a little straighter. He may even struggle to get in. Look at Thursty on the outer atm with Grimes looking good and Rance improving.
Possibly Moore coming back if possible against Essendon if he has match fitness at Coburg behind him.
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Jacko for Tuck seems to be the logical choice.
Was thinking when Kelvin Moore is available will make our backline a little straighter. He may even struggle to get in. Look at Thursty on the outer atm with Grimes looking good and Rance improving.
Possibly Moore coming back if possible against Essendon if he has match fitness at Coburg behind him.
when Moore is fit in would have thought he comes in for mcgaune.
Rance. Grimes. Moore.
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Possibly Moore coming back if possible against Essendon if he has match fitness at Coburg behind him.
Hasn't played a game yet Tucker - you'd think he'd need at least 2-3 games at Coburg before AFL
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Possibly Moore coming back if possible against Essendon if he has match fitness at Coburg behind him.
Hasn't played a game yet Tucker - you'd think he'd need at least 2-3 games at Coburg before AFL
what do you see as rfc best back 6 WP?
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what do you see as rfc best back 6 WP?
If everyone was fit & in form
B: Moore, McGuane, Rance
HB: Newman, Astbury, Houli
Not far off: Batchelor & Grimes
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RICHMOND - In the Mix
Shane Tuck is set to miss a couple of weeks after picking up a rib cartilage injury in the win over the Lions. Dan Jackson has served his suspension for making high contact with North's Scott Thompson and looms as a likely replacement. Andrew Browne pressed his claims once again with an excellent performance for Coburg as did Jeromey Webberley.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/112941/default.aspx