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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 10 FLAGS on May 25, 2011, 09:24:51 AM
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Richmond, Collingwood, Essendon, West Coast and Fremantle are all fighting for Jaegar O'Meara. Don't know much about O'Meara but he seems to have a lot of fans in the recruiting departments of AFL clubs. What would people be happy for us to give up to GWS to get one of these 4 picks?
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Here's the full article...
Tomorrow's stars in Giants' sights
Jake Niall
May 25, 2011
OVER the past several weeks, Greater Western Sydney officials have held meetings with the established clubs in what could be described as the entree to trade talks.
The subject of the discussions - which have been informal - are prized 17-year-olds, such as West Australian youngster Jaegar O'Meara, whom several clubs, including Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond, Gold Coast and the Perth teams, have expressed preliminary interest in acquiring.
Whereas this time last year clubs were buzzing with speculation - much of which proved accurate - about the players, such as Gary Ablett, who were slated to join Gold Coast as out-of-contract signings, there hasn't been as much mail on the Giants' covert recruiting operations.
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Yes, there's been talk about Melbourne's Tom Scully and Adelaide's Taylor Walker as potential signings (Walker's beer at the footy, strangely, seeming to fuel that), but most of the speculation has been guess work; last year there was far more, well-founded, intelligence about Campbell Brown, Michael Rischitelli, Jarrod Harbrow, Nathan Krakouer, Jared Brennan and, of course, the prize of Ablett, whose meeting with the Suns in December 2009 was a matter of public record.
This time, rival clubs genuinely seem in the dark.
One reason there is less focus on GWS's raids on prospective out-of-contract players is that the Giants don't have to chase them nearly as hard as the Suns did.
First, they have a two-year window in which to sign out-of-contract players, and can afford to be more choosey. It's conceivable that they would prefer the out-of-contract pool for the end of 2012 to this year's menu.
But no less significant is the fact the AFL has handed the Giants another major concession that removes the pressure on them to sign senior players.
It is the rule that has prompted this recent series of meetings between the Giants' football operatives - headed by Graeme Allan and list manager Stephen Silvagni - and most of the existing clubs.
Mindful of the greater challenges facing a club in the tough Sydney market, the AFL gave the Giants the right to trade a total of four 17-year-olds, who aren't eligible for the draft, at the end of 2011 and 2012.
The Giants cannot hoard these youngsters, who must be born between January 1 and April 30 (in 1994 or 1995). They can only be traded. In practice, they will trade rival clubs a pick in a separate mini-draft, rather than a specific player. For example, they could give Essendon pick No. 1 in this mini-draft this year in return for say, Scott Gumbleton or Patrick Ryder, and it would pick whichever 17-year-old it liked.
They can spread these four transactions over two years, which increases the value of the ''picks.''
O'Meara, a smooth midfielder from Perth Football Club, is merely the best known and, at this early stage, most desired of the kids in question.
Victorians Jake Stringer and Brad Crouch, West Australians Chris Yarran, Shannon Taylor and Dayle Garlett and South Australian Ben Kennedy (who is playing seniors at Glenelg) and Josh Simpson are among the potential 17-year-olds, who cannot play AFL until 2013.
Jack Martin, a 16-year-old from Geraldton, is among those eligible as a 17-year-old trade next year. The Giants don't want to trade all four at once, because this would weaken the draft pool next year, when they don't have so many early picks.
For the AFL, the 17-year-old trading fair is an insurance policy for GWS. If the Giants struggle to sign out-of-contract players, then they can fall back on these trades. Plus, they can utilise the rule that gives them first rights to any player who has been on an AFL list, the rule that delivered Andrew Krakouer to Collingwood, via the Gold Coast (which got a draft pick).
Gold Coast recruiting supremo Scott Clayton said the recruiting rules had given GWS valuable flexibility and the club was extremely well-placed for ''the short and long term.''
''The GWS establishment rules are constructed really smartly. They've got real flexibility with two years of uncontracteds, the 17-year-old rule and previously listed players.
''There's no need to panic.''
Supporters of the old clubs should worry less about losing their stars this year. There's almost as much chance that the player they lose to GWS will be sent there, in return for a kid, as pinched from them by a rapacious Giants raid.
It's tomorrow's stars that the Giants are taking from them, first and foremost.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tomorrows-stars-in-giants-sights-20110524-1f2ij.html#ixzz1NKRgBs85
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Would be a struggle for us to secure such a player with that sort of interest unless we are willing to give up a significant player/s. We just don't seem to have the depth to give up anyone of any value compared to teams such as Commingwood and even the Gold Coast.
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Gold Coast shouldnt be allowed to be involved in getting any of these 17 yo picks IMHO.
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I agree Stripes. Unfortunately at this point in time our depth can't match the likes of alot of other teams that might be looking at getting a top youngster to help them from bottoming out badly.
10Flags it can look unfair in some sense but there now in the AFL so they should have the same rights as every other club to target youngsters. I wouldn't think the Gold Coast would have much to bargain with though. I couldn't see them giving away a talented youngster that has shown signs.
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Nickname would have to be 'Bomb'.
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I would give up any one or combination of Jackson, Moore, Connors & Morton for this lad.
Even though I dont know anything about him, he must go alright to be getting this press this early
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your not going to give up an established top line player for an untried 17 year old. Fringe players as pmac suggested maybe (although jackson is not a fringe player in Hardwicks eyes).
The exception may be an older top line player nearing the end of his career.
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I would give up any one or combination of Jackson, Moore, Connors & Morton for this lad.
Even though I dont know anything about him, he must go alright to be getting this press this early
Played 2 Senior Games with Railways in the GNFL last year 2nd Semi & Grand Final
BOG in both for mine, went to 2nd semi specifically to watch him
Won the Medal for BOG in GF, was in town last week & appears to have grown a bit also
Will be a gun
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your not going to give up an established top line player for an untried 17 year old. Fringe players as pmac suggested maybe (although jackson is not a fringe player in Hardwicks eyes).
The exception may be an older top line player nearing the end of his career.
We could afford to lose any of these players mentioned especially if he is as good as they are making out.
A Thursfield or a Graham is not going to do it and we dont have many players at the end of their careers
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A Thursfield or a Graham is not going to do it and we dont have many players at the end of their careers
I think i've already found a home for Gus.
PORT Adelaide veteran Dean Brogan says the club should look to recruit a ready-made ruckman to bolster its big-man stocks next season.
Considering how ruckmen are ridiculously overpriced, Hartlett and their first rounder would do me.
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Is it fair to say that these 17yo picks are equivalent to the top picks in the draft but theyre just 1 year younger? If thats the case we are dealing with potential A grade players of the future and that would require some decent exchange to take place. Can draft picks be exchanged for a 17 year old pick?
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a lot can change in that 12 months flags. Players touted as top picks drop off and others come from the blue.
Nearly as much of a lottery at that age as buying yearlings
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Isn't this where Lloyd came from? Bombers traded some dud to Freo for the rights to Lloyd?
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a lot can change in that 12 months flags. Players touted as top picks drop off and others come from the blue.
Nearly as much of a lottery at that age as buying yearlings
True a lot can change. Darling was rated a top 3 pick at 17, slipped due to off field issues to late 20's but he still performs on field now to that of a pick 1-3. I think these days the clubs would have a good idea at who would be right up there in a years time.
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a lot can change in that 12 months flags. Players touted as top picks drop off and others come from the blue.
Nearly as much of a lottery at that age as buying yearlings
True a lot can change. Darling was rated a top 3 pick at 17, slipped due to off field issues to late 20's but he still performs on field now to that of a pick 1-3. I think these days the clubs would have a good idea at who would be right up there in a years time.
Darling dropping so much was pure idiocy of most/all recruiters. Was always going to be a gun
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This is where our compensation pick comes into play, this is the advantage we have over most clubs and the GCS were trying there best to get a hold of as many compensation picks as they could in last years trade period.
Could definitely see a trade like Compensation pick + Morton/Tuck as mature bodies being traded out.
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This article from January compares O'Meara to Reece Conca in talent.
O'Meara 'destined' for career at the top
Taylor Courtland,
Geraldton Newspapers
January 28, 2011
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Future star: Jaeger O Meara has been touted as one of the nation s best 16-year-old footballers and that claim has been backed up by Perth Football Club senior Coach Damien McMahon.. SNAPACTION.COM.AU © Enlarge photo
From the first time Jaeger O’Meara donned a Perth Football Club colts jumper, Damien McMahon knew he was a future AFL star.
“I have never seen a player look so comfortable in their first game at colts level,” McMahon said.
McMahon, 2010 Perth colts coach, compared the Dongara talent to former Demon Reece Conca who was selected at number six in last year’s draft.
“If you look at it statistically Jaeger is probably in front of Reece,” McMahon said.
O’Meara was under McMahon’s microscope for one game last year.
McMahon said O’Meara’s talent showed from the first time he touched the ball.
“He is so mature for his age, he has speed and endurance to go along with a great skill set,” he said.
“I watched him last Friday when he trained with Fremantle and he did not look out of place at all.
“It is going to be great to have him play some more games with us at Perth but he has a tiring year ahead.”
O’Meara has AIS commitments in 2011 and is touted to be on the State U18s team for the national carnival.
Rules regarding the U18s team restrict the 16-year-old from playing league football before the end of the carnival.
He will have to wait to the completion of the six-week competition to make his league debut.
McMahon has no doubts that he will crack the league team late in the year and said the AFL is not too far away.
“I absolutely believe he will be on an AFL list next year,” McMahon said.
“It will be great for Jaeger to play for Fremantle being a home grown WA boy but Greater Western Sydney will be keen to keep him on their books.”
The Giants are in the driver’s seat for the young gun’s services under concession guidelines similar to those that the Gold Coast received last year.
Fremantle are able to trade a player to the Giants in exchange for the right to select a 17-year-old born between January 1 and April 30 1994.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/regional/gascoyne/a/-/sport/8733503/omeara-destined-for-career-at-the-top/
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Ummm, isnt the kid in that photo wearing a victorian jumper?
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Ummm, isnt the kid in that photo wearing a victorian jumper?
Nope, that is Railways Footy Club jumper in GNFL (Geraldton WA)
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cheers Taz
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If he's the equivalent of what Conca is expected to be, I'd consider trading our first rounder and maybe foley.
Add to that our start of second round pick we banked for a decent ruckman, (Mitchell Clark, Zack Clarke) and it would be a good draft outcome.
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If he's the equivalent of what Conca is expected to be, I'd consider trading our first rounder and maybe foley.
Add to that our start of second round pick we banked for a decent ruckman, (Mitchell Clark, Zack Clarke) and it would be a good draft outcome.
WAY WAY OVER THE ODDS Dubs, especially for a 17yo kid that hasnt played senior footy.
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Way way WAY over!
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Untried kid, you would give the compensation pick for him, nothing more.
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LMAO ;D
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Jaeger O'Meara
February 23, 1994, 182cm, 75kg (Perth)
He's an AIS- AFL Academy player, he's a half-forward/on-baller and can also play half-back. He's got great skills and really good balance.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/114923/default.aspx
O'Meara is playing tonight in the U18 Champs for WA against NT.
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I believe that getting a 17yo kid that is highly regarded would be a pretty important show of intent from the Richmond football department. We need more potential A grade players and this is a pretty good place to start IMHO.
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Some more info on the new GWS trading 17 y.o. rule...
Trade incentives
By Jason Phelan
Fri 24 Jun, 2011
THERE will be some added intrigue around this year's AFL player exchange period with a special mini-draft to be held after all the final trade paperwork has been lodged.
AFL recruiting teams will converge on Melbourne on Monday, October 17, for the final day of the AFL's official trade period where they may finalise their bids for one of four concessionary selections Greater Western Sydney will have to offer.
The selections are designed to provide an incentive to other clubs to trade with GWS as part of the concessions granted to the Giants to help them build their inaugural playing list.
A player needs to have been born in 1993 or earlier to be eligible for this year's national draft, but this scheme allows for players whose birthdays fall between January 1 and April 30, 1994, to be claimed by a club with one of the four picks the Giants have to trade away.
Clubs that have successfully traded for one of the four selections will have the opportunity to choose a player from a pool of 17-year-olds (see below list of eligible players at this year's NAB AFL Under-18 Championships) at the mini-draft.
Highly-rated youngsters Jaeger O'Meara and Dayle Garlett from Western Australia, Vic Country's Brad Crouch and South Australians Ben Kennedy and Matthew McDonough fall into the eligible age bracket and are impressing at the under-18 championships underway around the country.
The Giants must trade the picks and cannot, for example, decide to use one to select O'Meara for themselves. They will allocate these four selections over the next two years to other AFL clubs in exchange for experienced players and/or draft picks.
"It's an additional trading incentive to try and help GWS build their list," AFL national talent manager Kevin Sheehan explains.
"They have these four 'hands' to play over the next two years.
"They'll have the opportunity to engage with other clubs to seek experienced players, draft picks or a package of both to improve their list and it's up to them to negotiate the best deal they can for each of these picks.
"It's important to note that the 17 other clubs won't be negotiating for a particular player. They will be negotiating for the first of those four choices, then the second and down the line until the fourth."
The most likely scenario will see GWS auction off two picks to the highest bidders this year and then repeat the process next year in order to maximise their return.
However, if interest in this year's crop of players born in the eligibility window creates a bidding war, then the Giants can conceivably move on all four picks, which the successful clubs can then use on the player of their choice if he's still available.
Although public interest in the youngsters selected will be intense given the high price that will likely be paid by the successful clubs, supporters will have to wait until 2013 to see their prized recruit in action due to age restrictions that require a player to turn 19 in his first year of AFL footy.
If the Giants do have any of the four concessionary picks left to trade next year then players eligible to be claimed in this manner will need to have been born between January 1 and April 30, 1995.
Although it will be a fascinating sidebar to the normal trade week intrigue, Sheehan's first task will be to inform those eligible players of the finer details of the opportunity that lies in front of them.
"That's the first part of this so the clubs know who is available and then they can move on to deciding behind closed doors what they're willing to give up," he says.
"It'll be debated for months.
"They are young, they're not fully developed, so clubs will have to go through that whole debate over how much they would be willing to give up for one of these players."
All clubs other than GWS will nominate a maximum of 10 players of interest to them under this rule by July 1. All players nominated by a club will then be advised in writing of this opportunity so they can nominate to be considered under this rule before the August 1 deadline.
The top-ranked players will then be invited to the NAB AFL Draft Combine to be held at Etihad Stadium in Melbourne from October 4 - 7.
The AFL will fully brief players on the process and they can choose to opt out and go into next year's draft pool.
NAB AFL Under-18 Championships players eligible to nominate for possible selection in the 17-year-old mini draft:
Player DOB Height Weight Club
South Australia
Ben Kennedy 3/03/94 174 73 Glenelg/Brighton
Josh Simpson 9/02/94 181 67 North Adelaide/Rostrevor
Todd McKay 25/01/94 176 74 South Adelaide/Port Noarlunga
Emmanuel Irra 25/03/94 179 73 South Adelaide/Port Noarlunga
Jimmy Toumpas 2/01/94 183 74 Woodville West Torrens/Flinders Park
Aaron Luccon 21/04/94 195 86 Norwood/Athelstone
Matthew McDonough 26/01/94 180 82 Woodville West Torrens/Flinders Park
Brodie Grundy 15/04/94 200 92 Sturt/Unley
Vic Country
Brad Crouch 12/01/94 184 83 North Ballarat Rebels/Beaufort FC
Jason Pongracic 21/04/94 181 82 Dandenong Stingrays/Koo Wee Rup FC
Vic Metro
Matthew Haynes 19/03/94 190 76 Northern Knights/Carey Baptist
Nick Vlastuin 19/04/94 186 83 Northern Knights/Eltham
Western Australia
Shannon Taylor 5/02/94 177 72 Claremont Football Club
Jaeger O'Meara 23/02/94 182 75 Perth Football Club
Christopher Yarran 27/04/94 183 80 Perth Football Club
Adam Carter 17/04/94 179 70 South Fremantle Football Club
Sean Lynch 30/01/94 184 76 South Fremantle Football Club
Dayle Garlett 9/01/94 181 68 Swan Districts Football Club
Laine Wilkins 30/03/94 189 73 Peel Thunder Football Club
Riley Hutchinson 12/01/94 187 78 East Perth Football Club
Mason Shaw 15/01/94 197 82 South Fremantle Football Club
Kamdyn McIntosh 3/04/94 192 82 Peel Thunder Football Club
Chase Strange 5/03/94 176 67 Peel Thunder Football Club
Tasmania
Jackson Thurlow 28/03/94 188 72 Launceston
Sam Siggins 20/03/94 192 81 Lauderdale
Josh Grant 1/03/94 195 83 Glenorchy
Andrew Boston 23/03/94 179 73 Broadbeach
Brody Haberfield 13/01/94 180 81 Surfers Paradise
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/117004/default.aspx
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I would offer up Foley as the basis of getting one of the 17 yo picks. Foley and another player maybe Nahas. Sheedy has always rated Foley and any deal involving Foley would be a chance I reckon.
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GWS dont want picks for these players, they want a core of senior players. Therefore:
Jackson, Connors & Mcguane for this boy
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IMHO Richmond should forget about trading for a ruckman now or even other players from other clubs. We need some potential A graders not potential to be B Graders who stay C graders who come from other clubs. The GWS 17yo picks should be the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY for RFC. and then just keep our National Draft Picks to see if we can find anything decent. So then the issue is who or what would you put up to get at least 1 if not both of GWS's 17 yo picks this season. I would be happy to include the likes of Newman and Foley as the centrepieces of any such deal if possible.
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Yep unfortunantely I agree but in the long term it may just be the best investment the club my make.
You have to give up something good to get something good or better. Rebuild rebuild rebuild. The mandate is clear the guys who have been around the system 5-7 years and have played their 50-100 games are clearly not good enough and taking us nowhere, in fact backwards. Bite the bullet and hope the crop of 2008,09,10 are where we want them to be circa 2013-14.
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lol.....Because a bunch of 17 year olds is going to fix all our list problems!
God some hypacritecle crap gets written on this forum!
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lol.....Because a bunch of 17 year olds is going to fix all our list problems!
God some hypacritecle crap gets written on this forum!
Everyone can tell your a Tasmanian from a million miles away lol :lol
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And you only have to read back through a few of your posts to realize your not the sharpest tool in the shed either ;)
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And you only have to read back through a few of your posts to realize your not the sharpest tool in the shed either ;)
Never claimed to be in the first place but got you covered by a million miles :lol
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with our record of trading decent players for picks a'la Ottens for Meyer/patto Id reconsider that ridiculous suggestion. ive got something that sounds crazy I know...howza bout the coach getting the best from some of the prodigious talents in the side. How well are our best 4 or 5 going....dont laugh...the coach should be on notice...
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And you only have to read back through a few of your posts to realize your not the sharpest tool in the shed either ;)
Never claimed to be in the first place but got you covered by a million miles :lol
:cheers :bow :clapping :thumbsup ;)
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Agree with this.
Would happily give up any player over 24 for this (Excluding Newman and Foley who would be worth more).
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would Foley on his own get us one of these 17 year olds or would it have to be a Foley/Jackson compo
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Foley would possibly get the 17 year old.
Jackson can be bait for a club like Naught Melbourne or Port Adelaide. Jako will fit right in at Naught.
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Foley and Jackson are worth poo, you guys are delusional if you believe we will get anything more than a 3rd rounder for either of them!
So tell me 10 Flogs, how will drafting a couple of 17 yo's help fix the situation right now? You clearly have the patients of a 2 year old by the time there d enough to play you will want them gone and those who drafted them sacked, read back through half the crap you write dip poo you contradict yourself at every turn :wallywink
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Foley and Jackson are worth poo, you guys are delusional if you believe we will get anything more than a 3rd rounder for either of them!
So tell me 10 Flogs, how will drafting a couple of 17 yo's help fix the situation right now? You clearly have the patients of a 2 year old by the time there d enough to play you will want them gone and those who drafted them sacked, read back through half the crap you write dip poo you contradict yourself at every turn :wallywink
the only dillusional one on here is you.
Raines pick 38
Tambling compo pick
enough said.
Compromised draft clubs like GWS would want one of Foley/Jackson. You can take that to the bank.
Get out from your tasmanian rock pal
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Foley and Jackson are worth poo, you guys are delusional if you believe we will get anything more than a 3rd rounder for either of them!
Can tell you I reckon we would easily get a late first round draft pick for Foley. Clubs rate him highly.
How we as supporters rate him is totally irrelevant
Jackson has currency as well (scary but true) early 2nd rounder IMHO
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What has rains and tambling got to do with anything?
Your comparing eggs with pineapples!
So maybe you can explain then, if we trade both Foley and Jackson exactly how is it going to fix all the doom and gloom you guys have been preaching over the last couple of weeks?
P.S anyone who has a punt against there own club ain't even close to being a true supporter IMO. It's scum like yourself that the club needs to get rid of waaaaaaaay before any of those players you love so much!
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What has rains and tambling got to do with anything?
Your comparing eggs with pineapples!
So maybe you can explain then, if we trade both Foley and Jackson exactly how is it going to fix all the doom and gloom you guys have been preaching over the last couple of weeks?
P.S anyone who has a punt against there own club ain't even close to being a true supporter IMO. It's scum like yourself that the club needs to get rid of waaaaaaaay before any of those players you love so much!
Sits on a high horse and now a moral and social commentator. Who cares.
If it gets us decent picks then good maybe we may select a Judd or a Hodge or a Cox.
Right now what have we got a team that I would label as underachievers as you have to be able to achieve something to have that label pinned to you in the first place.
Have a dip in some of the waters near the James Boag brewery and maybe the plop plops you post may just read a little better. Only a little in your case.
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What has rains and tambling got to do with anything?
Your comparing eggs with pineapples!
So maybe you can explain then, if we trade both Foley and Jackson exactly how is it going to fix all the doom and gloom you guys have been preaching over the last couple of weeks?
P.S anyone who has a punt against there own club ain't even close to being a true supporter IMO. It's scum like yourself that the club needs to get rid of waaaaaaaay before any of those players you love so much!
with the greatest respect its pretty clear that your from tasmania.
I speak slowly so you can understand.
Compromised draft 1. Tambling for compo pick to adelaide
Same draft raines 3rd rounder
Now jackson and Foley are better than those 2 weather you like to believe it or not so chances are einstein we will get a descent kid and get rid of dead wood at the same time.
Now stop touching your date for a minute and look at the bigger picture.
Lose 1 b/c grade
Lose 1 d/e grader
Gain possiblly A grader
Thats smart management and a great way for us to go.
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Don't get me wrong, I would be happy to trade both players for what ever we can get. If we can get the picks that WP think we can we need to jump all over it BUT trading these two guys for 17 yo possibles would be playing with fire!
You for one have continually bagged our rucruiting over the duration but yet you are willing to bank these picks on a Possible! Every draft pick is a possible but banking on a couple of 17 yo possibles that will have no impact on the list for at least 3 to 4 is ludercrest! At the moment we are screaming out for a decent ruck and a couple of decent backs, this is where we need to focus our drafting and trading not effing around with 17 yo possibles!
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I heard that this years draft isnt going to be that good. But next years draft may be another 2001.
I heard it on SEN I think.
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I heard that this years draft isnt going to be that good. But next years draft may be another 2001.
I heard it on SEN I think.
Good on u! :thumbsup
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I heard on the radio that it wouldn't make any difference to our club because too many softies follow it.
It was SEN.......I think!
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The first 3 posts says everything about Tassie boy here. He assumed that my post was about us getting improvement next year (even though I never mentioned it as an improvement for next year). He failed to understand the basic tenet of my innitial post that we have to try and get some potential A grade footballers onto the list for the future. You have to take a risk sometimes and Richmond needs to take some risks to try and get some potential A graders. Thats what chasing these 17yo picks is about- trying to get some high quality kids onto the list as the first priority. Now if you Tiger from Tassie dont get that it isnt my or our problem. You've come across like a tool in this thread so next time try and read and understand peoples posts properly before beginning to write your nonsense.
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O'Meara commits to footy tug-a-war
By Kim Hagdorn
Sports News First
18 July 2011
OUTSTANDING teenage footballer Jaeger O’Meara has become the first player to join a unique bargaining war for his future AFL playing services.
O’Meara confirmed on Monday he will nominate for a historic draft that permits the AFL’s newest organisation Greater Western Sydney to trade off draft picks for four gifted 17-year-olds.
Clubs will offer valuable draft picks or established players to take part in the draft.
Once the trade of picks or players is completed with GWS, the successful club then will have first choice at a privileged list of young talent.
As many as 14 clubs are believed to have already expressed interest to bid for the gifted young stars.
The clubs are understood to have nominated 22 potential recruits under what is known as the Giants “Trade Incentive” scheme.
Jaeger lodged nomination documents with the AFL early this week.
Full article at: http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/07/15/o-meara-commits-to-footy-tug-a-war/
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We won't get him, players like this usually go to clubs like the pies and blues, not us.
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Could Melbourne end up the big winner for losing Tom Scully?
RIVAL clubs fear Melbourne could emerge the big winner if it receives two of the country's best 17-year-olds in return for Tom Scully.
The Dees could trade the compensation picks they get for Scully for two more talented gems from Greater Western Sydney.
Speculation the AFL will hand Melbourne two first-round picks for Scully if he goes to GWS has left clubs concerned the Demons list would benefit greatly from the loss of their ace onballer.
The picks are set to put Melbourne in the front position to win the rights to select the two best players born between January 1 and April 30, 1994. Up to four players born in this age bracket can be traded by GWS over the next two years.
The two-for-one deal would almost certainly include slick midfielder Jaeger O'Meara, considered one of the most gifted players to have moved through the AFL's pathway system.
"If you were at Melbourne you would take that trade in a heartbeat," one AFL recruiter said.
"You save the $700,000 it would otherwise cost you to keep Scully and you get two of the best kids going around including O'Meara, who is the equivalent of Scully, if not probably better.
"O'Meara has all the tools to be a No.1 pick.
"So while that would put Melbourne in an unbelievably strong position, it would disadvantage all the other clubs in the competition, who are in desperate need of an uncompromised draft after two really tough years."
Asked if the deal was realistic and achievable, another industry source said: "Melbourne could give GWS two first-round picks ... maybe two top-10 picks in the 2012 draft, which will be a cracker," he said.
"So as an offer (to GWS) it would be pretty hard to beat, unless you wanted to give up a really good established player as well as a high-end pick."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/could-melbourne-end-up-the-big-winner-for-losing-tom-scully/story-e6frf9jf-1226096389389
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We won't get him, players like this usually go to clubs like the pies and blues, not us.
Jaeger will end up @ Freo, hes from Dongara & played @ Railways in the GNFL (gero)
Freo are all over him, & thats from the horses mouth !!
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We won't get him, players like this usually go to clubs like the pies and blues, not us.
Jaeger will end up @ Freo, hes from Dongara & played @ Railways in the GNFL (gero)
Freo are all over him, & thats from the horses mouth !!
Yeah, just trying to point out he won't be at tigerland.
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If Freo give up The Giant stuff they might get him
What else are they going to offer GWS? Pav? Fyfe? Not going to happen.
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Sheedys up to all his old tricks with these 17yo picks. Some club is seriously going to overpay IMHO.
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If Freo give up The Giant stuff they might get him
What else are they going to offer GWS? Pav? Fyfe? Not going to happen.
The Giant stuff? Not the one that will die young?
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If Freo give up The Giant stuff they might get him
What else are they going to offer GWS? Pav? Fyfe? Not going to happen.
The Giant stuff? Not the one that will die young?
He doesn't have long left. I predict his heart will explode within the next 120 days.
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If Freo give up The Giant stuff they might get him
What else are they going to offer GWS? Pav? Fyfe? Not going to happen.
Palmer to GWS.
Compo pick to Freo.
Compo traded back for O'Meaera
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compo pick wont be worth it gor GWS
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What has rains and tambling got to do with anything?
Your comparing eggs with pineapples!
So maybe you can explain then, if we trade both Foley and Jackson exactly how is it going to fix all the doom and gloom you guys have been preaching over the last couple of weeks?
P.S anyone who has a punt against there own club ain't even close to being a true supporter IMO. It's scum like yourself that the club needs to get rid of waaaaaaaay before any of those players you love so much!
with the greatest respect its pretty clear that your from tasmania.
I speak slowly so you can understand.
Compromised draft 1. Tambling for compo pick to adelaide
Same draft raines 3rd rounder
Now jackson and Foley are better than those 2 weather you like to believe it or not so chances are einstein we will get a descent kid and get rid of dead wood at the same time.
Now stop touching your date for a minute and look at the bigger picture.
Lose 1 b/c grade
Lose 1 d/e grader
Gain possiblly A grader
Thats smart management and a great way for us to go.
Win, win! pretty easy to see if you ask me.
Got to be tougher on players that just don't deliver!
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If Freo give up The Giant stuff they might get him
What else are they going to offer GWS? Pav? Fyfe? Not going to happen.
The Giant stuff? Not the one that will die young?
He doesn't have long left. I predict his heart will explode within the next 120 days.
Doctor Gerks has been wrong before :police:
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Saw an interesting rumour on Big footy. Says Lids is off to GWS for the O'Meara pick and an early pick in this years draft. Hope it isn't true.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=e6e344e1b2d80cb80f61df9a7e7667e7&t=822781&page=4
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wouldn't be overly disappointed with something along those lines
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I've posted this on the draft board but I'll post it here as well...
The players who nominated for the GWS mini-draft are:
Chase Bower (Norwood, SA)
Adam Carter (South Fremantle, WA)
Brad Crouch (North Ballarat Rebels, Vic)
Dayle Garlett (Swan Districts, WA)
Brodie Grundy (Sturt, SA)
Matthew Haynes (Northern Knights, Vic)
Riley Hutchinson (East Perth, WA)
Emmanuel Irra (South Adelaide, SA)
Ben Kennedy (Glenelg, SA)
Aaron Loccon (Norwood, SA)
Sean Lynch (South Fremantle, WA)
Todd McKay (South Adelaide, SA)
Jaeger O'Meara (Dongara/ Railways, WA)
Jonathan O'Rourke (Calder Cannons, Vic)
Jason Pongracic (Dandenong Stingrays, Vic)
Mason Shaw (South Fremantle, WA)
Josh Simpson (North Adelaide, SA)
Jake Stringer (Bendigo Pioneers, Vic)
Shannon Taylor (Claremont, WA)
Jimmy Toumpas (Woodville West Torrens, SA)
Nick Vlastuin (Northern Knights, Vic)
Matt Wallis (Norwood, SA)
Laine Wilkins (Peel Thunder, WA)
Daniel Williamson (Norwood, SA)
Christopher Yarran (Perth, WA)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/120016/default.aspx
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we need to get our hands on one of these little SOB's somehow.
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Jaegar O'Meara had 15 possies and kicked 4 goals in his senior WAFL debut for Perth.
(http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/110820/a_250711spt_jaeger_174uunp-174uuud.jpg?x=292&sig=.DYtJQnX2xnGadAHpdJUQA--)
Precocious teenager Jaeger O'Meara was outstanding in his WAFL debut for the Demons, impressing AFL talents scouts at the ground to watch the 17-year-old Dongara recruit in his first senior match.
O'Meara is too young for this year's national draft but has nominated for consideration under the Greater Western Sydney trade incentive scheme that will allow him to join an AFL club later this year.
AFL clubs can offer draft picks, players or both for one of four special selections that can be used on eligible players like O'Meara born between January and April, 1994.
O'Meara quickly picked up the pace of the game and finished with four goals in a livewire performance sure to attract further attention from potential AFL suitors.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/10078548/omeara-shines-in-demons-delight/
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O'Meara was very good yesterday in blustery conditions. He played an outside running role and finished off some decent inside work.
High Quality prospect and would look very good in a Tiger jumper.
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I think getting one of these picks is pretty important. Foley should be put up as the starting point. Foley outside of some minor errors was good today and did a real good job in terms of upping his currency IMHO.
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I think getting one of these picks is pretty important. Foley should be put up as the starting point. Foley outside of some minor errors was good today and did a real good job in terms of upping his currency IMHO.
Agreed.
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Whispers on 3aw is saying Gold Coast will offer pick 4 plus a compo pick to GWS for Jaegar O'Meara.
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Whispers on 3aw is saying Gold Coast will offer pick 4 plus a compo pick to GWS for Jaegar O'Meara.
Wallet said the same thing on SEN this afternoon, thinks they will offer pick 4 and a player though.....
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Whispers on 3aw is saying Gold Coast will offer pick 4 plus a compo pick to GWS for Jaegar O'Meara.
Wallet said the same thing on SEN this afternoon, thinks they will offer pick 4 and a player though.....
Wouldnt GWS want mature players for these Kids not picks, they have enough picks and kids already, need some leaders and hard bodies to protect and teach them ?
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Whispers on 3aw is saying Gold Coast will offer pick 4 plus a compo pick to GWS for Jaegar O'Meara.
Wallet said the same thing on SEN this afternoon, thinks they will offer pick 4 and a player though.....
Wouldnt GWS want mature players for these Kids not picks, they have enough picks and kids already, need some leaders and hard bodies to protect and teach them ?
GWS could on trade them for players. Pick 4 would get a handy type.
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There are 4 of these picks and from what I understand its not only O'Meara who can play. The Adelaide clubs are desperate for Ben Kennedy and people online are saying a couple of the Victorian boys are good quality too.
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O'Meara heads GWS mini-draft pool
By Jason Phelan
Tue 13 Sep, 2011
WEST Australian youngster Jaeger O'Meara headlines the elite group of 17-year-olds invited to the NAB AFL Draft Combine ahead of October's GWS mini-draft.
The top eight players of the 26 who nominated for the trade incentive scheme, as voted by AFL clubs, will be put through their paces at the national combine, which kicks off on Tuesday October 4 at Etihad Stadium.
The players, born between January 1 and April 30, 1994, are too young to be selected at the 2011 NAB AFL Draft, but can be claimed by a club with one of four special picks at the mini-draft that the Giants must trade away.
The mini-draft is expected to be held toward the end of this year's trade week, which starts on Monday October 10 and finishes the following Monday.
The thinking behind the scheme is that clubs will trade experienced players, draft picks or both to the Giants, which will help with their list build, with AFL clubs given the chance to claim one of these highly-regarded under-age players in return.
O'Meara has been the standout player of this select group for some time, having impressed at this year's national carnival and made his debut at senior level in the WAFL for the Perth Demons.
The forward/midfielder possesses a rare combination of speed and endurance with foot skills to match.
He is coveted by both Western Australian teams, but it is also believed several other clubs are considering their options to put together a trade package that would secure the No.1 pick at the mini-draft, which would in turn be used to claim O'Meara.
The Giants cannot keep any of the players eligible for this scheme for themselves, but can on-trade the four picks over the next two years as they see fit.
The quality of this group will likely tempt some AFL clubs into making attractive offers to take part in the mini-draft, which could see GWS trade the rights to two or even three of the four draft picks this year, with the remainder to be retained for a similar scenario next year.
Both Port Adelaide and Adelaide are fans of SA youngster Ben Kennedy, who also had an excellent championships and has been a regular for SANFL club Glenelg at senior level.
North Ballarat onballer Brad Crouch is another hot prospect available via the scheme.
He had been sidelined since breaking his leg playing for Vic Country at the national championships in June, but made a stellar return to the North Ballarat line-up with three goals and 22 touches in the Rebels' TAC Cup elimination final loss to Oakleigh.
Just what it will take for AFL clubs to satisfy the Giants in a trade situation remains unclear, but the Crows were alarmed at the asking price - thought to be a player rated in the club's top seven or eight - after making initial enquiries back in June.
The following eight players have been invited to attend the draft combine, noting that AFL clubs can also consider all players in the pool of 26:
Brad Crouch
Club: North Ballarat Rebels/Beaufort FC
Age: 17
Height: 184cm
Weight: 83kg
AFL national talent manager Kevin Sheehan says: "He had an outstanding year in the TAC Cup and NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, winning All Australian Honours. Excels with his ball-winning across half back or midfield and makes good decisions with the footy. He was selected in the AIS-AFL Academy 15th intake which comes together this month."
Dayle Garlett
Club: Swan Districts/Upper Swan JFC
Age: 17
Height: 181cm
Weight: 68kg
Sheehan says: "Left-footed medium forward with terrific goal sense and feel for the game. He averaged 19 disposals in NAB AFL Under-18 Championships with six inside 50s. He has already progressed to play good football at WAFL level this year. He was selected in the AIS-AFL Academy's 15th intake."
Brodie Grundy
Club: Sturt/Unley FC
Age: 17
Height: 200cm
Weight: 92kg
Sheehan says: "Mobile ruckman who showed great promise and rapid improvement in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, winning All Australian Under-18 honours. Played senior football at Sturt later in the year, and showed talent at stoppages with his ruckwork and mobility around the ground. He was selected in the AIS-AFL Academy's 14th intake."
Matthew Haynes
Club: Northern Knights/Carey Grammar
Age: 17
Height: 190cm
Weight: 76kg
Sheehan says: "Dashing tall midfielder whose breakaway pace is his x-factor. He averaged 14.2 disposals at 70.2 efficiency in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships this year. He was part of the AIS-AFL Academy in the 14th intake."
Ben Kennedy
Club: Glenelg/Brighton FC
Age: 17
Height: 174cm
Weight: 73kg
Sheehan says: "Powerful small forward with a penetrating left foot. He is a goal kicker with pace and ability to compete well in the air for his size. He played senior football with Glenelg and won All Australian Honours at under-18 level this year. He was selected in the 15th intake into the AIS-AFL Academy."
Jaeger O'Meara
Club: Perth/Dongara JFC
Age: 17
Height: 182cm
Weight: 75kg
Sheehan says: "He is a gifted medium midfielder with breakaway pace and elite endurance. He has averaged 20.6 possessions at 71 per cent efficiency in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, winning All Australian honours. He was part of the 14th intake in the AIS-AFL Academy."
Shannon Taylor
Club: Claremont/North Beach JFC
Age: 17
Height: 177cm
Weight: 72kg
Sheehan says: "Classy, composed small forward/midfielder with excellent speed and ability to win clearances. He averaged 14.2 disposals in the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships at 66 per cent efficiency. He was selected in the AIS-AFL Academy's 14th Intake."
Nick Vlastuin
Club: Northern Knights/Eltham FC
Age: 17
Height: 186cm
Weight: 83kg
Sheehan says: "Strongly-built midfielder who attacks the ball strongly and excels at clearances. He missed the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships due to injury but excelled at NAB AFL U16s level in 2010, winning Vic Metro's MVP award. Part of the AIS-AFL Academy in 2010/11."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/123309/default.aspx
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Really like sound of Vlastuin for next year. Big midfielder.
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Is the Jaegar Bomb worth Pick 14 + Foley . . . would GWS consider that? I think thats about the asking price to participate in the mini draft.
If no one picks up O'Meara, and he falls through to next years draft, would he be taken pick 1? If so you would give up Pick 14 + Foley in an instant wouldn't you? Will be interesting to see what happens here and whether or not we can get involved somehow.
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Stay out of it Tigers
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Is the Jaegar Bomb worth Pick 14 + Foley . . . would GWS consider that? I think thats about the asking price to participate in the mini draft.
If no one picks up O'Meara, and he falls through to next years draft, would he be taken pick 1? If so you would give up Pick 14 + Foley in an instant wouldn't you? Will be interesting to see what happens here and whether or not we can get involved somehow.
Great idea!
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Stay out of it Tigers
Disagree. Its one way to get future A graders into the club. From that list I'd have no trouble in supporting trades for any of O'Meara, Kennedy, Grundy or Crouch (depending on how he has come up from injury).
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Is the Jaegar Bomb worth Pick 14 + Foley . . . would GWS consider that? I think thats about the asking price to participate in the mini draft.
If no one picks up O'Meara, and he falls through to next years draft, would he be taken pick 1? If so you would give up Pick 14 + Foley in an instant wouldn't you? Will be interesting to see what happens here and whether or not we can get involved somehow.
One club who trades well is Freo.
They drafted Mzungu last year and lost not much really in doing so
If there is not much value in this years draft at the 14 mark i would drop Foley in a heartbeat to get his services in a package
Would love another A grader in our midfield
Issue i have is the go home factor which is the reason i believe he will stay in Perth.
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so many on these boards think Foley is a dud yet they think he can be packaged in a deal for a 17y/o that would have been the number pick in 2012. Foley is at his lowest value since he was rookied, we'd get sweet FA for him atm. Judging by the way he ran out the season he's well and truly out of the woods injury wise, give him a full preseason and he'll start having his regular 30+possies per game then look at trading him with his value back up.
Forget about these 17y/o's JVT is correct - we dont have the cattle to get into a bidding war for them
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so many on these boards think Foley is a dud yet they think he can be packaged in a deal for a 17y/o that would have been the number pick in 2012. Foley is at his lowest value since he was rookied, we'd get sweet FA for him atm. Judging by the way he ran out the season he's well and truly out of the woods injury wise, give him a full preseason and he'll start having his regular 30+possies per game then look at trading him with his value back up.
Forget about these 17y/o's JVT is correct - we dont have the cattle to get into a bidding war for them
Your prob right but who would've thought that the Crows would give us that compo pick when Tambling was at his lowest value form wise. That for me was great trading by the RFC.
Anything can get done for the right price and right club and IMO Foley and pick 14 will get us a very good youngster if not this kid. It's a good starting point and I would
throw in Jackson too
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The Suns are in the box seat to secure Greater Western Sydney-linked Jaeger O'Meara, 17, and are willing to give up pick No.4 for the midfielder.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/disgruntled-crow-jack-gunston-wants-to-join-hawthorn/story-e6frf9jf-1226157578861
Here's some video highlights of O'Meara by the way:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/392339/jaeger+omeara+-+2011+highlights/default.aspx
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E11bE6sPJtc
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As I said, if these players in the 17yo mini draft will go early in next years 'super draft', we should be offering whatever we can to get involved. Package up Pick 14 + Foley.
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GWS are stupid if they give any of these picks to GCSuns. They will be major opponents for GWS for a flag somewhere down the track. GWS trading potential A graders to GC is a bad move for them and for everyone else too.
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I still believe that getting one of these picks is vital going forward. If Richmond finish in the finals next season (and I have reservations about that anyway) at least we can look forward to a top line junior coming in and if we finish say 8th then we not only have a finals finish but we in effect have 2 top 10s to add to an emerging finals side which can help us not only stay in the 8 but actually help us take the next step upwards in terms of finals contenders down the track. Thats what I want to see.
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"box seat" lmfao
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with our record of trading decent players for picks a'la Ottens for Meyer/patto Id reconsider that ridiculous suggestion. ive got something that sounds crazy I know...howza bout the coach getting the best from some of the prodigious talents in the side. How well are our best 4 or 5 going....dont laugh...the coach should be on notice...
cotchin, martin, reiwoldt, vickery, conca and deledio.all picks 2 thru 13. just how much more do you expect from them at this stage of their development. they have all been pretty good for the stages of development they are at. they are not the problem.
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If Freo give up The Giant stuff they might get him
What else are they going to offer GWS? Pav? Fyfe? Not going to happen.
pav is past it. sandi in some ways at 29 30 is superfluous to needs with clarke and griffen there. with a chronic lack of tall forwards they are in no position to lose pav but with two decent ruckman in clarke and griffen they can maybe afford to lose sandilands.
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just an indicator on what omeara may cost. forget about risk i think its pretty clear he is a player.
we were offered picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 martin in 09. this kid is rated higher than martin and will cost more.
in all likelyhood it will take something like pick 14, foley and jackson. even then it may not get done. jackson id lose no sleep over but foley and in particular 14 limits us in many ways.
personally as much as id like to get omeara i dont think we are in a position to get him.the problem has been made even worse with gc offering up pick 4 and what ever. as far as picks go we cant compete with that and what quality players we do have we need to build on not cut into.
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All I think Richmond supporters want is for us to have a red hot go at getting a decent pick in the mini draft - Foley & 14 or Foley and the compo should mean we chase Pick 1 in the mini + a pre listed player like Luke Brown.
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I want us to:
A) Land a big fish
B) Secure good picks to draft a potential superstar (Martin)
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All I think Richmond supporters want is for us to have a red hot go at getting a decent pick in the mini draft - Foley & 14 or Foley and the compo should mean we chase Pick 1 in the mini + a pre listed player like Luke Brown.
Sounds great but we have sweet FA to offer them? If the Gold Coast are willing to offer pick 4 and a player then we have no hope ::) ::)
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Gold Coast is in the box seat with the ability to offer the Giants pick No. 4 in next month's draft for O'Meara.
The Suns could be prepared to exchange the mid-first round compensation pick it secured from the Cats last year to the Giants.
A batch of clubs, including Geelong, are in the mix for the second pick, which is tipped to be used on North Ballarat onballer Brad Crouch.
"The other blokes GWS can trade are all very good young players but they're not anywhere near the quality of O'Meara," the recruiter said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jaeger-omeara-has-scouts-in-spin/story-fn69a32t-1226160741630
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O'Meara appears destined to head to Gold Coast, with Melbourne the only other club believed to be in a position to mount a realistic bid.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/star-junior-jaeger-omeara-heading-east/story-e6frf9jf-1226162021392
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absolutely diabolical that they can pull this off this year after raping the draft last year... where does it stuffing end?
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The teenager, originally from Dongara, was keen to remain in WA, but is now understood to be resigned to the fact that the Dockers and Eagles will be unable to win the fierce bidding war for his services.
doesn't fill you with a lot of confidence he will hang around too long
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GC played it well. If this kid is as good as they say GC are going to be a really good outfit. Ramps is right why they would rather trade with a anotherr club than their main rival GWS is a bit strange.
Port Adelaide would be kicking themselves if he turns out to be a gun as everyone says he is.
Just shows how insignificant that Melbourne round 24 win now is in the scheme of things.
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If GWS send O'Meara to GCS then that is IMHO one of the stupidest things Ive seen in footy recruiting/trading and considering that we all barrack for RFC and seen our stupidity over decades thats saying something.
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Maybe they know hell go home at the first opportunity?
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Here is a question for you all. Do you think Hardwick can afford to trade players or draft picks for one of these GWS picks that can NOT play next year? If we trade Foley and pick 14 (for example) and finish about the same as we did this year do you think he will have a Job to see one of these Kids come though?
Not that I m saying we shouldnt go after one but I dont think he can afford to do it.
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Here is a question for you all. Do you think Hardwick can afford to trade players or draft picks for one of these GWS picks that can NOT play next year? If we trade Foley and pick 14 (for example) and finish about the same as we did this year do you think he will have a Job to see one of these Kids come though?
Not that I m saying we shouldn't go after one but I dont think he can afford to do it.
That scenario would leave us with a very high draft pick in next year's supposedly strong draft as well as O'Meara to come in for 2013. It obviously depends on many variables but I think people would be conscious enough of the circumstances to give Hardwick one more year. I reckon he'd want to stick around because our midfield would be freaky good if that were to come to fruition.
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Here is a question for you all. Do you think Hardwick can afford to trade players or draft picks for one of these GWS picks that can NOT play next year? If we trade Foley and pick 14 (for example) and finish about the same as we did this year do you think he will have a Job to see one of these Kids come though?
Not that I m saying we shouldnt go after one but I dont think he can afford to do it.
Yet its the strategy that would win him a new contract. IMHO if he did that then Richmond should immediately give him another 3 year contract. It shows that he's not just here for now and that he is here for the long term. And if we have ever needed anything at Richmond for 30 years its a coach with a view to the future and not just looking after next years results. Imagine doing such a trade and then finishing 8th next year. We'd end up going into 2013 - ineffect with two top 10 picks. Thats how you build sustainable success. Just my opinion thats all.
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big question if we dont play finals next year does Hardwick have a job, I think not
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big question if we dont play finals next year does Hardwick have a job, I think not
I don't think it's as simple as that nor should it be. If he is seen to be sacrificing short term moderate success for longer term ultimate success then the administration should take this into account. He is a young coach, the players play for him and respect him. He is also learning quickly from a tactical point of view and the side is improving overall. The administration also know that it is a very difficult time to be building a side from the ground up.
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It is a very interesting question indeed. It probably depends on what his employers see as a succesfull 2012 and if they have the same view as him going foward. Think this trade period and draft will answer a few of those questions.
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If the Club honestly assessed where our list is at then making finals would not be the main condition on whether Dimma is re-signed or not. Our list is still very young and inexperienced and outside our top 6 or so we lack the necessary quality and depth to play finals next year. The problem for Dimma though is the Club (read Craig Cameron) believes it has finished the 'transition mode' it had planned for 2010-11 and now needs to start winning and has planned to make the finals in 2012 (and 2013-14). I just don't see us playing finals next year unless everything goes our way (no injuries to key players, no drop-off in form from 2011 by our good players, soft draw, win all our close games, a number of our cubs having breakout years, etc...) and mid-ladder opposition teams fall away for whatever reason (key players lose form or injury, tough draw, etc).
Playing List (at April 2012)
30: Tuck
29: Newman
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28: Moore, Miller#
27: King
26: Foley, Jackson, Thursfield, Maric
25: Deledio, Graham, McGuane, Morton, White
24: Derickx, Grigg, Nahas, O'Reilly#
23: Connors, Edwards, Farmer, Gourdis, Houli, Riewoldt, Webberley
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22: Cotchin, Nason, Post, Rance
21: Astbury, Browne, Vickery, Jakobi#
20: Batchelor, Dea, Griffiths, Grimes, Helbig, Martin, Contin#
19: Conca, MacDonald
18: 2011 draftees...
Those in italics are questionable if they will be still at Punt Rd in 2012.
Our senior core (23-28 y.o.) is still ordinary and light on top talent. Only Lids and Jack would be classed as A-graders. That's why I don't see us making the finals next year. I still see us a year or two away.
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I think you are crediting craig cameron with too much power MT.
If they have got their assessment of the list wrong then the whole football club needs to take responsibility, dimma included.
The timeframe seems to all have been planned from the day dimma took over.
Those that also set the goals of three finals in 5 years etc would have also got it wrong.
these things are all done in consultation and not one person can singularly shoulder the blame when it goes wrong or the accolades when they get it right.
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3 finals in 5 years is a goal, not a requirement.
I still think we will see enough improvement in our list next year to make the 8.
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It seems GWS has found a loophole to keep O'Meara for themselves....
GWS plot to snag top youngster
Emma Quayle
October 11, 2011
GREATER Western Sydney is exploring ways to keep the country's most sought-after teenager, Western Australia's Jaeger O'Meara, for itself.
The Giants can trade the rights to four 17-year-olds over the next two years as part of the new club's draft concessions, with the original understanding that they could not hoard these players.
But GWS has found a possible loophole that could allow it to trade the first selection in next week's mini-draft to one club, then do a separate deal with a third party to get it back, once it is traded on to that second club.
The Giants put a proposed three-club deal to the league last week, which would have had them trade the rights to O'Meara to one club, then do a separate deal with the third team and select the classy onballer at Monday's mini-draft.
They were told by the league that the bold deal, believed to involve Hawthorn and Fremantle, needed more fine-tuning before it could be approved, with the AFL still examining how and under what circumstances GWS could recoup any of the mini-draft picks.
At least two other clubs have put a similar offer to the Giants, and at least one has promised not to pick O'Meara should it be granted a mini-draft pick, so that he remains in the 2012 draft pool and therefore available to GWS.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/gws-plot-to-snag-top-youngster-20111010-1lhlx.html#ixzz1aORYUbVI
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Surely something such as below won't be allowed otherwise we should be on this big time:
Richmond bid and trade pick 15 to GWS for pick 1 rights in the mini-draft. GWS accepts on the priviso that we and Port agree to trade the mini-draft pick back to GWS.
Richmond then on-trades the mini-draft pick to say Port for pick 6.
Port then on-trade the mini-draft pick back to GWS for pick 5.
So everyone wins big time. GWS gain O'Meara & pick 15 for pick 5, Port move up a spot for free, and we move up 9 spots from pick 15 to pick 6 for doing GWS a favour lol.
If GWS don't want to give up pick 5 then deal with Brisbane instead of Port and we gain pick 8 for pick 15 and they lose pick 7 to Bris for O'Meara and pick 15. Adelaide (pick 10) and Melbourne (pick 12) would also be options for us to use this loophole to move up the draft order.
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the league is becoming a joke imho.
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AFL bosses: we didnt know they could do that!? :shh
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un stuffing believable isn't it. They let them print money.
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If that is possible then whoever wrote up the ruling around how the mini-draft should work is an idoit and someone should of made sure this couldn't happen.
But if it can and does happen hopefully Richmond is involved and we get an early draft pick or a spot in the mini-draft out of it.
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But if it can and does happen hopefully Richmond is involved and we get an early draft pick or a spot in the mini-draft out of it.
Perhaps why GWS were so cooperative with the Morris trade?
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Would love for us to get our hands in there :thumbsup
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Barrett says it's between 4 clubs (not us though).
GWS want O'Meara so need that 1st pick in the mini-draft traded back to them. Not in the spirit of the rules but still within the rules.
Haw want Gunston
Freo want Mitch Clark
Adelaide involved as they are going to lose Gunston and Freo need Adelaide's pick 10 to gain Clark from Brisbane. The Crows have got their eye on Crouch as the 2nd mini-draft pick.
This is holding up every other trade.
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Barrett says it's between 4 clubs (not us though).
GWS want O'Meara so need that 1st pick in the mini-draft traded back to them. Not in the spirit of the rules but still within the rules.
Haw want Gunston
Freo want Mitch Clark
Adelaide involved as they are going to lose Gunston and Freo need Adelaide's pick 10 to gain Clark from Brisbane. The Crows have got their eye on Crouch as the 2nd mini-draft pick.
This is holding up every other trade.
Thats a fair effort doing a 4 club trade deal some way.
Hopefully if Adelaide get a win here they'll ease up on Ivan trade and we can get him for a 3rd round or a player.
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Barrett says it's between 4 clubs (not us though).
GWS want O'Meara so need that 1st pick in the mini-draft traded back to them. Not in the spirit of the rules but still within the rules.
Haw want Gunston
Freo want Mitch Clark
Adelaide involved as they are going to lose Gunston and Freo need Adelaide's pick 10 to gain Clark from Brisbane. The Crows have got their eye on Crouch as the 2nd mini-draft pick.
This is holding up every other trade.
Sounds way to complicated to be realistic, what are Freo giving to get Pick 10?
What are the Hawks giving to get Gunston?
Crows hold all the cards here because they have that Pick 10 and Gunston. GWS will need to give up something decent themselves if they want to get that #1 mini draft pick back, because once a team has it, they may not be so keen to give it up.
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Clubs are willing to do this because the mini-draft picks are created out of thin air. Adelaide will be willing to give up pick 10 to Freo for no return from them because they'll get Crouch via the 2nd mini-draft pick for free from GWS.
My guess:
GWS: 1st mini-draft pick for pick 14 (also selling off 2nd mini-draft pick)
Hawthorn: Gunston for pick 24
Fremantle: Clark for pick 10 & pick 16 (both picks to Brisbane)
Adelaide: 2nd mini-draft pick (Crouch) & pick 14 & pick 24 for Gunston & pick 10
I'm guessing looking at that GWS will want more as they are getting nothing in return for the 2nd mini-draft pick. It's the reason Adelaide are deludedly asking for our first rounder (pick 15) or compo pick for Maric which they would then pass onto GWS. We should obviously say no for the simple reason that Maric is not worth more than a 2nd rounder at best and we aren't a charity to help other clubs at our expense.
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http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/10/11/o-meara-could-wait-on-draft/
The article doesn't say much about why not but apparently there not allow to trade back the mini-draft picks.
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Eff me, id have more faith in the taro reader at the merkets getting it right than that clown
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AFL blocks GWS 'super-trade'
By Mark Macgugan
10:30 PM Tue 11 Oct, 2011
THE AFL has rejected a proposed multi-club trade that would have seen highly rated Western Australian 17 year-old Jaeger O'Meara land at Greater Western Sydney.
... in an unexpected twist, it is believed that GWS had hoped to acquire the first pick in the mini-draft - and use it to secure O'Meara - by trading it and then receiving it back from a third or fourth club.
However, the AFL's head of football operations Adrian Anderson rejected the proposal on the basis that it was against the spirit of the list-building rules.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124980/default.aspx
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Eff me, id have more faith in the taro reader at the merkets getting it right than that clown
Al looks like the clown got this one right.
back onto topic. Good to see the AFL taking a stand and not allowing GWS to receive mini-draft picks.
I guess gold coast are back in the box seat to trade for the number 1 selection in the mini-draft.
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Eff me, id have more faith in the taro reader at the merkets getting it right than that clown
Al looks like the clown got this one right.
back onto topic. Good to see the AFL taking a stand and not allowing GWS to receive mini-draft picks.
I guess gold coast are back in the box seat to trade for the number 1 selection in the mini-draft.
Good thing it wasn't the Pies or the Blues otherwise they could of done what they wanted.. :whistle
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Eff me, id have more faith in the taro reader at the merkets getting it right than that clown
Al looks like the clown got this one right.
back onto topic. Good to see the AFL taking a stand and not allowing GWS to receive mini-draft picks.
I guess gold coast are back in the box seat to trade for the number 1 selection in the mini-draft.
:lol
The kiss of death does it again
I hear the taro reader is pretty good though :P
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THE AFL has confirmed that highly-touted youngster Jaeger O'Meara could still end up at Greater Western Sydney, although his manager Colin Young believes Gold Coast is his likely home.
The League's football operations manager Adrian Anderson says the only way such a deal will be authorised is if the Giants "genuinely" trade the first pick in the mini-draft, and then complete another trade that brings the pick back to the club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124988/default.aspx
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Unfortunately I can't see us gaining one of these picks.
I would have had no complaints parting with Foley + Pick 15 for one of these. Whether or not that would have been enough to get the deal done is another matter.
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So who decides what is "genuine" AA? ::)
GWS being able to get their hands on these mini-draft picks shouldn't be allowed full stop as was the intention of the rule.
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THE AFL has confirmed that highly-touted youngster Jaeger O'Meara could still end up at Greater Western Sydney, although his manager Colin Young believes Gold Coast is his likely home.
The League's football operations manager Adrian Anderson says the only way such a deal will be authorised is if the Giants "genuinely" trade the first pick in the mini-draft, and then complete another trade that brings the pick back to the club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124988/default.aspx
So they have to do 2 separate trades to get the pick back.
They would have to have alot of faith in a club not to pull a fast one and pull out of the 2nd trade that would be giving the selection back to GWS.
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So they have to do 2 separate trades to get the pick back.
They would have to have alot of faith in a club not to pull a fast one and pull out of the 2nd trade that would be giving the selection back to GWS.
But who checks the behind the scenes discussions to know the trades are really separate? If it's a win-win-win for 3 clubs they'll happily make out it's separate trades on different days.
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So they have to do 2 separate trades to get the pick back.
They would have to have alot of faith in a club not to pull a fast one and pull out of the 2nd trade that would be giving the selection back to GWS.
But who checks the behind the scenes discussions to know the trades are really separate? If it's a win-win-win for 3 clubs they'll happily make out it's separate trades on different days.
I don't think they will be allowed to get it back, AA just cant say that because it was found to be a loophole.