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Title: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 28, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
All thats happened tonight is

1) the players confidence has been shot
2) the players were taken half way around the country so the club could make some money
3) the momentum has been smashed and it could result in the end of our season IMHO.
4) the supporters missed out on watching our team play at the G
5) 4 points because whatever people say we would have won at the G IMHO.
6) our players had to play at a rabble ground.


THE CLUB ADMINISTRATION SHOULD APOLOGISE TO THE SUPPORTERS AND THE PLAYERS. I DONT BLAME THE PLAYERS. THIS 4 POINTS WAS DONATED BY OUR ADMINISTRATION TO PORT. ITS A DISGRACEFUL DECISION THAT HAS JUST ABOUT WRECKED OUR SEASON!

IF THEY HAD ANY HONOR AT ALL THEYD APOLOGISE TO BOTH THE PLAYERS AND THE SUPPORTERS!


JUST A QUESTION - HOW MUCH MONEY WILL IT COST US NOT TO MAKE THE FINALS? H
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: TigerLand on May 28, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
What ever money amount we made from this game should be distributed to the members.

Sorely missed Grimes tonight
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 28, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
why if OUR home game, has ports major sponsor got banners around the outer side on the fence, its our home game isnt it :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: The Big Richo on May 28, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
I reckon it is harsh on the admin to blame them for the game being played in Darwin or the loss.

Obviously our finances haven't been great and they are trying to get them back into a state to allow us to be sustainable as a strong club with resources to compete with the Collingwoods etc....

Fact is we should beat Port if the game was played anywhere, anytime.  

I don't like selling games either but we struggled to find a major sponsor this year so the $400,000+ or what ever this is worth is pretty significant.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
The fact that they had to start late due to light towers not working is simply not good enough.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 28, 2011, 11:15:54 PM
If you can't beat the Power you're not playing finals full stop
Power beat us last year at etihad, pure guess work that we beat them in melb.
We were outplayed tonight and I suspect not much would've changed had this happened in Melbourne tonight
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: The Big Richo on May 28, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
And my supporting evidence against this proposition is that I bet Caro Wilson belts the club for playing in Darwin on Footy Classified.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Ox on May 28, 2011, 11:18:15 PM
One word

Unprofessional.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 28, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
We would have won in Melbourne! When you are broke, you make deals with the devil, it cost us tonight!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: The Big Richo on May 28, 2011, 11:21:35 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 28, 2011, 11:22:51 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.
Too true!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2011, 11:24:08 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.
That's ordinary :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 28, 2011, 11:26:36 PM
If you can't beat the Power you're not playing finals full stop
Power beat us last year at etihad, pure guess work that we beat them in melb.
We were outplayed tonight and I suspect not much would've changed had this happened in Melbourne tonight

I disagree all year Hardwick has been talking about our 19th man. He was hardly there tonight.
Sellout is the club. Why sell your home game and then another later in the year to play in substandard stadiums just to promote the game. Thats the job of sh1tty poor clubs like Norf and the Dogs.

Club has failed here. In hindsight on the back of last week if the game was at the Dome or G we would have had 40K there and psychologicaly Port don't put a line in the fixture to prepare for this game differently from weeks out. Furthermore we don't have to prepare mentally and psysically either being a game in Melbourne and we can stick to our normal routines instead of promoting this game in the Top End.

Lame effort. I agree Flagman. Admin of the club have been remiss. By the way how much has been raised in the FTF?
Let me question this in this way what would you rather have right now 4 points or 500K in the club coffers?
Right now I want the 4 points and 500K mean nothing to me in the club coffers. Even if we are a regular finals side two years from now I see nothing to be gained at it unless we are in a financial abyss which we are not.
This was more of a home game for them rather than us as they have always played in each game that has been played there. Shocking. Very frustrated at the club right now not the team.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: bojangles17 on May 28, 2011, 11:29:26 PM
could only happen in darwin, how on earth they saw fit to fixture a game in that third world two horse town is beyond me. NEVER again, I'm as mad as hell right now :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 28, 2011, 11:29:55 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.

Thursday Night, Daniel Jackson was watching a band till late at the Corner Hotel, Lids was on the Footy Show, and Jack was at the Greyhounds at Sandown Park.
Port players had a training session from 8pm till 10.00pm at the ground on Thursday Night, say no more
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: TigerLand on May 28, 2011, 11:32:15 PM
The club has stuffed up here.

Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 28, 2011, 11:33:06 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.

Thursday Night, Daniel Jackson was watching a band till late at the Corner Hotel, Lids was on the Footy Show, and Jack was at the Greyhounds at Sandown Park.
Port players had a training session from 8pm till 10.00pm at the ground on Thursday Night, say no more

The Football Manager needs to explain because this is just a disgrace if its true
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Ox on May 28, 2011, 11:37:06 PM
UnPro on so many levels tonite

Benny- this is ur first stuff up.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: julzqld on May 28, 2011, 11:42:34 PM
Agree with Tuckerbag
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 28, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.
Thursday Night, Daniel Jackson was watching a band till late at the Corner Hotel, Lids was on the Footy Show, and Jack was at the Greyhounds at Sandown Park.
Port players had a training session from 8pm till 10.00pm at the ground on Thursday Night, say no more

The Football Manager needs to explain because this is just a disgrace if its true
We followed our normal procedure for an interstate match, Port came up a day early
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 28, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
One word

Unprofessional.

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.

Thursday Night, Daniel Jackson was watching a band till late at the Corner Hotel, Lids was on the Footy Show, and Jack was at the Greyhounds at Sandown Park.
Port players had a training session from 8pm till 10.00pm at the ground on Thursday Night, say no more

That's the clubs fault not the players knowing its at least a 5 hr trip to Darwin and leaving the day before the game. SHould have left on Wednesday and trained there on Thursday and Friday and acclimatise. Cancel all engagements and get the players up there. Poor decision made by the club as a whole and this one stinks from the top. I still don't blame the players for this. This has been poorly managed. If it was in Melb we wouldn't be talking about where the boys were on Thursday night. It's not like we've never had anyone on TFS before or Jack has not been to the Dishlickers. Just poor execution of player preparation and management this week by the RFC.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 28, 2011, 11:59:54 PM
you would have thought all players would of had an early night the night before they fly out.
Should of flown there on thursday, not friday
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 29, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
you would have thought all players would of had an early night the night before they fly out.
Should of flown there on thursday, not friday
I must admit when i read in the aper that we were flying out the day before that i was concerned! heat raining at Punt Rd versus training on the ground proper? Lets fly up a day early! Especially when you make a quarter of a mil from the game!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: The Big Richo on May 29, 2011, 12:04:02 AM
We followed our normal procedure for an interstate match, Port came up a day early

I reckon the difference though is that this isn't your normal interstate trip, but is one of the few that requires a fair bit of acclimatising and I think a different preperation could be justified.

For example you don't hear of us training in the heat chamber before playing in QLD or Perth.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 12:04:15 AM
looked a superb surface to me similar size ground to mcg as well  didnt see us play in the dark. seems to me a lot of supporters have got in front of themselves.
just because the club and some its players manage to play some reasonable footy for a very short period does it mean those players have arrived or the club for that matter.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 29, 2011, 12:04:38 AM
can tell you players had sleeps this arvo as they didnt sleep well on Friday Night
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Ox on May 29, 2011, 12:06:10 AM
One word

Unprofessional.


 

I think the unprofessional comes in when you consider Port were in Darwin a day early while a couple of our boys were in TV studios.

Thursday Night, Daniel Jackson was watching a band till late at the Corner Hotel, Lids was on the Footy Show, and Jack was at the Greyhounds at Sandown Park.
Port players had a training session from 8pm till 10.00pm at the ground on Thursday Night, say no more

That's the clubs fault not the players knowing its at least a 5 hr trip to Darwin and leaving the day before the game. SHould have left on Wednesday and trained there on Thursday and Friday and acclimatise. Cancel all engagements and get the players up there. Poor decision made by the club as a whole and this one stinks from the top. I still don't blame the players for this. This has been poorly managed. If it was in Melb we wouldn't be talking about where the boys were on Thursday night. It's not like we've never had anyone on TFS before or Jack has not been to the Dishlickers. Just poor execution of player preparation and management this week by the RFC.

In closing....
Unprofessional.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 29, 2011, 12:10:36 AM
can tell you players had sleeps this arvo as they didnt sleep well on Friday Night

they were all out until 930ish last night as they were all sitting on a table next to us at a Thai place. Yep true and we left at 9 and they were still there eating.

Such professionals we have got on our hands. All i saw them do that was strenuous was a walk this morning

How we didnt arrive on Thursday and train at night NOT is absolutely beyond me.

This is just plain embarassing
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Ox on May 29, 2011, 12:11:23 AM
reminded me of an under 16s trip to Leongatha.

LMAO @ Light towers not working :gotigers
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: TigerLand on May 29, 2011, 12:12:36 AM
Just a mess, Captain Blood would be turning in his grave seeing this.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Go Richo 12 on May 29, 2011, 12:15:25 AM
Just a mess, Captain Blood would be turning in his grave seeing this.
I am turning in mine and i am not even in it yet!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 29, 2011, 12:16:31 AM
We have another year of this and a game in Cairns against GC17.
We should request the AFL to schedule GWS in Darwin next year. :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 29, 2011, 12:20:31 AM
Just a mess, Captain Blood would be turning in his grave seeing this.
I am turning in mine and i am not even in it yet!

You know what it is boys. Lets say we sell our MCG game against Geelong go to Darwin get flogged by the Cats we sit here and say at least we get the cash for selling the game blah blah blah because we expect to lose to the Cats but b/c Port are skata and have been woeful and blokes like Pearce, Motlop, Broadbent, Boak, Gray, Westhoff played allright tonight and one the back of last week we expected to win and so we should we are fuming more than if this game was being played as a normal fixture in Melbourne and so we should as we have been seduced by the club over the past month and we have been stood up tonight.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Mr Magic on May 29, 2011, 12:35:17 AM
The team simply played poo.

If we had won, playing in Darwin would barely rate a mention and no doubt everyone would be raving about the fact that we'd wiped 500 k off the debt. :rollin

However we lost so everyone has a whinge about everything.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Dice on May 29, 2011, 12:38:12 AM
Fact is we should beat Port if the game was played anywhere, anytime.

For sure Big Fella. I effin hate selling home games but there's no excuse. Hopefully RFC take the boys up there for a few weeks over the summer to get a clue coz we simply didn't handle the condtions at all. Have a look at Cotch tonite. He's got some of cleanest hands in the business but fumbled all night. Ball was like soap in our hands and we missed about 10 very gettable goals at the left of screen end , all of which drifted to the left of the goals.
 We played poo and we need the bye.

Browne was pox. Tried but... Gus BOG in the magoos today comes in for him. Helbig was ordinary tonite 2.

Foley was good , so was Nahas.

Eff we copped it from the umps tonite I reckon. Worst this year. Anyone know the free kick count ?
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: RollsRoyce on May 29, 2011, 12:49:40 AM
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Eff we copped it from the umps tonite I reckon. Worst this year. Anyone know the free kick count ?


I used to have this theory that the lower placed teams copped it from the umpires. But Port were bottom of the ladder, and they could do no wrong by the red maggots tonight. The scumpires absolutely bent us over tonight :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 29, 2011, 12:49:56 AM
can tell you players had sleeps this arvo as they didnt sleep well on Friday Night

they were all out until 930ish last night as they were all sitting on a table next to us at a Thai place. Yep true and we left at 9 and they were still there eating.

Such professionals we have got on our hands. All i saw them do that was strenuous was a walk this morning

How we didnt arrive on Thursday and train at night NOT is absolutely beyond me.

This is just plain embarassing
OH MY GOD, THEY WERE STILL AWAKE AT 930!? HOW DARE THEY!!!
They should be in bed by 8pm like all good little boys
God our supporters are a bunch of dicks
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 29, 2011, 01:01:19 AM
Yep I agree Inf they were at a restaurant. No probs there. In fact if they were in their hotel rooms they would have more than likely been up anyway. Personally I just thought they should have flown up earlier in the week. Longer flight and totally different climatic conditions to those being experienced in Melb this week. May have made a difference in the end.

I can remember last year Port came off their Darwin match against the Dees to face us in horrible conditions and  we soundly beat them. I just think if you know its going to be different weather to that you are experiencing go early and expose yourself to it to give you the most time available to adjust.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Dice on May 29, 2011, 01:09:13 AM
Personally I just thought they should have flown up earlier in the week. May have made a difference in the end.

No doubt about it. We just couldn't mark the thing or take clean possession. A training session in those conditions was essential.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: TigerLand on May 29, 2011, 01:32:58 AM
The team simply played poo.

If we had won, playing in Darwin would barely rate a mention and no doubt everyone would be raving about the fact that we'd wiped 500 k off the debt. :rollin

However we lost so everyone has a whinge about everything.

The club has to be accountable for their decisions MM.

Home ground advantage is important especially against travelling teams. If you both travel it cancels out each other, worse if you travel to a neutral venue the opposition has more experience at.

If it were round 22 and you needed to win the game you wouldn't send the team up to China to win.

$ was priority over 4 points for this game.

Team gets complacent with a group holiday aswell as losing the advantage of having home ground advantage, the opposition gets a boost knowing that they are a better chance at Darwin then at the MCG. Add all these factors together and you get what was served up tonight.

Common denominator - the decision to sell the game to Darwin.

Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Dice on May 29, 2011, 01:42:04 AM

If it were round 22 and you needed to win the game you wouldn't send the team up to China to win.

$ was priority over 4 points for this game.

True mate but no matter what way it gets spun they were a rabble and on the bottom. We should've beaten them
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Dubstep Dookie on May 29, 2011, 02:20:50 AM
We should have SHitted it in.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 29, 2011, 09:44:17 AM
can tell you players had sleeps this arvo as they didnt sleep well on Friday Night

they were all out until 930ish last night as they were all sitting on a table next to us at a Thai place. Yep true and we left at 9 and they were still there eating.

Such professionals we have got on our hands. All i saw them do that was strenuous was a walk this morning

How we didnt arrive on Thursday and train at night NOT is absolutely beyond me.

This is just plain embarassing
OH MY GOD, THEY WERE STILL AWAKE AT 930!? HOW DARE THEY!!!
They should be in bed by 8pm like all good little boys
God our supporters are a bunch of dicks


so according to you its okay for our players to be out late Thursday night watching bands and out at 930 day before a game then complain that they cant sleep. The only idiot here is you pal. Afternoon naps day of the game.  :banghead :banghead :banghead

I can say this guess how many port Players i saw in Darwin my whole stay? None. They trained at night with the same conditions we trained during the day

They showed us up and deserved their win.

This has nothing to do with development our club lost the 4 points for the players before the ball was bounced.

Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: The Big Richo on May 29, 2011, 09:48:50 AM
This has nothing to do with development our club lost the 4 points for the players before the ball was bounced.

That is crazy talk.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 29, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
at the end of thr day
Port paid for the extra night and trained under lights from 8-10pm on Thursday Night.
and they won the game
end of story.
poor effort RFC
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Penelope on May 29, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
what the stuff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 29, 2011, 10:21:01 AM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Penelope on May 29, 2011, 10:27:40 AM
Jack i fully understand about routines.

I just want to know what is wrong with having an afternoon nap.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 29, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
before a game of footy, alot. Means he didnt have a great nights sleep the previous night
also,unfortunately the players sometimes take interestate games as a holiday, especially when they have been given the next four days off.
Preparation before a game ( 48 hours before ) is critical for performance.
Add in heat factor compared to Melb etc.
aint happy losing !!!!!!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: TigerLand on May 29, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
Hardwick said it well
"Regardless wherever you play it's no excuse for a poor effort."

We should have been playing in Melbourne but regardless we should have put in a better effort.

If we lost whilst playing decent footy and giving 110% we'd have every reason to complain for the decision for the move. But when you put in a poor effort nothing else matters.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on May 29, 2011, 12:32:38 PM
Big 4 clubs don't sell their games interstate.
19th man was where last night.
I think we would have had at least 35 at the G last night and four premiership points.
Tragic mistake by the club. I hope post 2012 we never sell out again.
You can't talk about 3-0-75 and then sell home games to substandard stadia where North and Bulldogs sell out to, in order to pay wages to club employees.
First time I am disappointed in Benny.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
Big 4 clubs don't sell their games interstate.
19th man was where last night.
I think we would have had at least 35 at the G last night and four premiership points.
Tragic mistake by the club. I hope post 2012 we never sell out again.
You can't talk about 3-0-75 and then sell home games to substandard stadia where North and Bulldogs sell out to, in order to pay wages to club employees.
First time I am disappointed in Benny.

THE BIG 4 ARE NOT IN DEBT. Oh i see you think we are big 4 well we will never be that again if we remain in debt.
this is not about selling games though its all about bitching because you couldnt go watch them play.
get used to it we are a side in a national comp and we really do need to sell our club right around the country and more importantly we need to kill of the debt.
we need to walk before we can run and its high time selfish emotional supporters stopped putting the cart in front of the horse.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: big tone on May 29, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
Spin it anyway you like- we play that game at the G last night we win. Play in Darwin and its 50/50 at best. (and we all know what happened)
I don't give a stuff about how much money we made, this is a footy club that has been down for to long and the number 1 aim should be to win at all costs! Become smarter and think of other ways of making money!
Club sold out last night and as a member and long time LOYAL supporter, i am really disappointed with the RFC.
Now we go into the bye after a really great month with last nights performance as the last thing we think of. Only to have to travel to Sydney and Brisbane for the next two games.
If i were a player i would be so peeed off at this situation too. They ask for total commitment and ask you to put your own hard earned into the club and yet they sell you out of 4 points against a poo club like Port Power.

On another point but sort of the same, playing games at Etihad is a disgrace too, i know we must have had to agree to it but if we are truely to become a top side again, we need to take every little advantage we can. And that's playing at the G.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Danog on May 29, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
Big 4 clubs don't sell their games interstate.
19th man was where last night.
I think we would have had at least 35 at the G last night and four premiership points.
Tragic mistake by the club. I hope post 2012 we never sell out again.
You can't talk about 3-0-75 and then sell home games to substandard stadia where North and Bulldogs sell out to, in order to pay wages to club employees.
First time I am disappointed in Benny.

THE BIG 4 ARE NOT IN DEBT. Oh i see you think we are big 4 well we will never be that again if we remain in debt.
this is not about selling games though its all about bitching because you couldnt go watch them play.
get used to it we are a side in a national comp and we really do need to sell our club right around the country and more importantly we need to kill of the debt.
we need to walk before we can run and its high time selfish emotional supporters stopped putting the cart in front of the horse.

Carlton have massive debt.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 29, 2011, 01:32:50 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: bojangles17 on May 29, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
the club does not need to apoligise, what a ridiculous assertion. what they do need to do is come out in a fortnight and have a good WIN :gotigers
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: smasha on May 29, 2011, 01:55:56 PM
What if we lost at the G?

That would've been worse.

No 500k in the bank.

Team should be able to win games like these at any ground.

Andy D. instead of scoffing prawn cocktails at Gold Coast and bathing in a tub of cash and Ouzo,actually look at the other grounds that need upgrading.
Title: Tigers sell a chance to win by playing Port Adelaide in Darwin (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on May 29, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Tigers sell a chance to win by playing Port Adelaide in Darwin

    Mark Stevens
    From: Herald Sun
    May 29, 2011 8:57AM


RICHMOND pocketed $500,000 for playing a "home" game in Darwin, but potentially forfeited a lot more.

1. THE MONEY OR THE FUN?
 
RICHMOND might cruelly finish ninth again this year - and if the nightmare returns it will look back and rue May 28.

It was the night the club pocketed $500,000 for playing a "home" game in Darwin, but potentially forfeited a lot more.

The Tigers would have beaten Port by five-goals-plus in Melbourne with an ever-growing home crowd behind them - even if the AFL scheduled the game for Etihad Stadium, and not the MCG.

Yet, with a deal signed to play two games in three years in the Top End, a group of young players headed for the tropics and suddenly a certain win became a 50-50.

Port, a regular in Darwin, had a decided advantage in the dew and heat and the AFL's new buzz team got rolled.

The Tigers may well hit the wall anyway this year, but going into the bye a victory would have been invaluable.

Full marks to the Tigers for embracing indigenous issues and Darwin, but rank-and-file supporters back in the heartland have every reason to be a little peeved off.

There is another sold game to come, with the Tigers hosting the Gold Coast as he "home" side in Cairns. All good in theory, but it can cost you in such a relentless competition.

The Tigers are not on their own, either.

The Bulldogs sold a game to Canberra three weeks back and lost to the Swans in a tight one. Play that at Etihad and the Dogs win. They would be sitting at 4-4 right now and just outside the eight.

Instead, the Dogs and the coach Rodney Eade are under the pump.

Struggling clubs will tell you selling games is a necessary evil. Really, it's just plain evil.

It just further compromises an already desperately compromised competition.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-sell-a-chance-to-win-by-playing-port-adelaide-in-darwin/story-e6frf9jf-1226064892300
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Jackstar is back again on May 29, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

we didnt play in darwin :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 29, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

we didnt play in darwin :banghead
So? Its about the same length of flight as it is to go to Perth
Ground is about the same size as the MCG, only difference is the humidity
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 2JD on May 29, 2011, 04:48:42 PM
So...when was the decision to sell the game made? When it was more probable that we needed the money or when it looked like we'd be good for the 4 points? Since when does a club rely on the "19th" man, another wanker media term? Tell you what, if we need to rely on the "19th" man, we are in serious trouble. If we cant beat a team on a level playing surface then we have lots of work to do, we sold the game to get us out of debt, unfortunately someone told the team we were going on a hoilday to Darwin and they may have to play a game while we're up there. Lets not forget that Port also are a southern team so everything that affected us, affected them. Poor preparation by our team cost us dearly. :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WA Tiger on May 29, 2011, 04:54:32 PM
WHO GIVES A FLYING RATS ARSE where we play, play on the stuffing moon for all I care but WIN..... what a bunch of wankers to let us down like that!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 05:30:49 PM
and still we make excuses, does anyone think we werent good enough.

sheesh i can see us winning just another 2 or 3 games if things dont go well for us. i can imagine the wrist slashing then.

simply put we are not i repeat not a good side. we have so so much work to do to become a good side. losing to port weather it be at etihad the g aami or in darwin shows just how far we have to go.

bloody hell we were that poor and port were not that much better that if either side played any other side in the comp we would have copped an absolute belting.

anyone want to talk about the sides we have beaten thus far and the circumstances surrounding those wins. nope i dont think people will want to they prefer to put their heads up their arse and pretend we are a good side.
they would rather pretend we are a finals side when the reality is we are very much in development with many holes in the list to fill.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 05:32:22 PM
we are not discussing other sides claw, we are discussing losing to Port. IMHO all of us had the right to expect us to win last night.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: dizza on May 29, 2011, 06:07:04 PM
Playing in Darwin didn't help, but for goodness sake if we can't beat bottom of the table Port Adelaide then we are in SERIOUS trouble.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: cub on May 29, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
Kids are still learning, maybe not this one but was expected. In the short term it has cost us 4 points and maybe a final.
In the long run, $ in the bank going forward and the team has to learn to win anywhere.
Hard and hurts but maybe in hindsight all for the better.

Did I just say that?  :banghead
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Smokey on May 29, 2011, 07:48:43 PM
We would have won in Melbourne! When you are broke, you make deals with the devil, it cost us tonight!

Nope.  We wouldn't have won regardless of where we played.  Our players had switched off before they ran out on the ground, they were already on their bye break.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 29, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
. I DONT BLAME THE PLAYERS. THIS 4 POINTS WAS DONATED BY OUR ADMINISTRATION TO PORT. ITS A DISGRACEFUL DECISION THAT HAS JUST ABOUT WRECKED OUR SEASON!


Sorry Flagman, the players deserve blame as well. Actually they deserve a fair whack of blame; they were terrible. Poor skills, poor decisions, lack of leadership - no trust me they deserve to share the blame

Everyone needs to be accountable for what happened up in Darwin

EVERYONE 
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:09:02 PM
Why didnt Dimma send someone over to short circuit the lights when the siren sounded to start the 3rd quarter   The level of unprofessionalism at Richmond is unbelievable. Jack Dyer, Graeme Richmond, Ray Dunn would have short circuited the lights. Not good enough!  ;D :lol
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 29, 2011, 10:09:51 PM
Why didnt Dimma send someone over to short circuit the lights when the siren sounded to start the 3rd quarter   The level of unprofessionalism at Richmond is unbelievable. Jack Dyer, Graeme Richmond, Ray Dunn would have short circuited the lights. Not good enough!

I would have done it  ;D
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:11:18 PM
Why didnt Dimma send someone over to short circuit the lights when the siren sounded to start the 3rd quarter   The level of unprofessionalism at Richmond is unbelievable. Jack Dyer, Graeme Richmond, Ray Dunn would have short circuited the lights. Not good enough!

I would have done it  ;D

We are all disappointed in you! What were you doing during the half time break! Just a real poor performance WP, we expected more from you  :lol
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 29, 2011, 10:12:31 PM
We are all disappointed in you! What were you doing during the half time break! Just a real poor performance WP, we expected more from you  :lol

I was stuffing my face if you must know  :thumbsup

Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
dont want to be a kill joy mr flags. but my understanding is if the lights go out the team in front when it happens wins.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:17:21 PM
dont want to be a kill joy mr flags. but my understanding is if the lights go out the team in front when it happens wins.

We were infront by 9 points at half time.  ;D  So if the lights had gone out just after the siren sounded to start the 3rd quarter - we're all singing "We're from Tigerland" lol  :clapping
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Smokey on May 29, 2011, 10:19:15 PM
dont want to be a kill joy mr flags. but my understanding is if the lights go out the team in front when it happens wins.

True Claw but only if at least half the game has been played.  Before that they will call the game off.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 29, 2011, 10:19:29 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

we didnt play in darwin :banghead
So? Its about the same length of flight as it is to go to Perth
Ground is about the same size as the MCG, only difference is the humidity

With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:23:31 PM
dont want to be a kill joy mr flags. but my understanding is if the lights go out the team in front when it happens wins.

True Claw but only if at least half the game has been played.  Before that they will call the game off.

You blokes must have missed the how to be dodgy and get away with it classes when you were at school. For all other forumites please understand that wagging is bad for you  :lol
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 10:27:47 PM
dont want to be a kill joy mr flags. but my understanding is if the lights go out the team in front when it happens wins.

We were infront by 9 points at half time.  ;D  So if the lights had gone out just after the siren sounded to start the 3rd quarter - we're all singing "We're from Tigerland" lol  :clapping
lol and fair enough. feel free to continue the abuse of that slackard william powell hes got to be good for something surely. has the man never heard of a gidgee.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:29:48 PM
Could have gotten the 4 points and the cash for half a games work. You can tell there arent any dodgy Greeks in the Richmond administration. Whoevers recruiting the talent down there in the administration needs to have a good hard look in the mirror  ;D
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Smokey on May 29, 2011, 10:32:47 PM
You can tell there arent any dodgy Greeks ...

Didn't know such a thing existed Ramps.  I've led a sheltered life! ;D
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Tigermonk on May 29, 2011, 10:33:34 PM
BENNY GALE, US MEMEBERS WANT ANSWERS. AFL WE WANT ANSWERS ALSO.


SCAM, SHAME, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:36:10 PM
BENNY GALE, US MEMEBERS WANT ANSWERS. AFL WE WANT ANSWERS ALSO.


SCAM, SHAME, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY

We've all ascertained that our loss is the result of the failure of our esteemed supporters who did not move to short circuit the lights. Please dont blame our administration or the players  ;D
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Tigermonk on May 29, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
BENNY GALE, US MEMEBERS WANT ANSWERS. AFL WE WANT ANSWERS ALSO.


SCAM, SHAME, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY

We've all ascertained that our loss is the result of the failure of our esteemed supporters who did not move to short circuit the lights. Please dont blame our administration or the players  ;D

Players are accountable. just one of them games move on its over
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 10:41:34 PM
You can tell there arent any dodgy Greeks ...

Didn't know such a thing existed Ramps.  I've led a sheltered life! ;D
sheesh and here i was thinking it was the irish  and italians who are just a tad dodgy. me im just a clean skinned anglo saxon from well im not sure. anyway you can be assured us anglos would never shoot out the lights  just so we could win.
by the way is wp greek sort of makes sense except to say he failed his mission this time around. bloody hell wp lift.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:44:15 PM
You can tell there arent any dodgy Greeks ...

Didn't know such a thing existed Ramps.  I've led a sheltered life! ;D
sheesh and here i was thinking it was the irish  and italians who are just a tad dodgy. me im just a clean skinned anglo saxon from well im not sure. anyway you can be assured us anglos would never shoot out the lights  just so we could win.
by the way is wp greek sort of makes sense except to say he failed his mission this time around. bloody hell wp lift.

dont worry about it claw. I just tried to make this thread abit more humourous and for those who have read my posts over many years they would understand where I was trying to go with it lol especially the greeks on this site of which I am one!
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 10:49:04 PM
its all good flags i appreciate your humor.still does not excuse wp and his insipidness.

whats that dire straights song. oh yeah money for nothing and your chicks for free or in this case the 4 points for half a game of footy.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: 10 FLAGS on May 29, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
what can I say claw its been a poohouse weekend the only good part of it was that I got a belated birthday present which was Rhett Bartletts book about our club. A very good publication it is too. Well done to him and for those who didnt manage to get it over the last few years, highly recommended.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Tigermonk on May 29, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
You can tell there arent any dodgy Greeks ...

Didn't know such a thing existed Ramps.  I've led a sheltered life! ;D
sheesh and here i was thinking it was the irish  and italians who are just a tad dodgy. me im just a clean skinned anglo saxon from well im not sure. anyway you can be assured us anglos would never shoot out the lights  just so we could win.
by the way is wp greek sort of makes sense except to say he failed his mission this time around. bloody hell wp lift.

idiot does Powell sound greek to you or goose
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 10:56:06 PM
what can I say claw its been a poohouse weekend the only good part of it was that I got a belated birthday present which was Rhett Bartletts book about our club. A very good publication it is too. Well done to him and for those who didnt manage to get it over the last few years, highly recommended.
yep a damn good book i hear.   he has a web site called rhettrospective or something like that. reckon he would be a good bloke to sit down and chat with about the greatest club of all.
shame about the circumstances with his old man must have made it tough on a kid who lved his tigers.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 10:58:36 PM
You can tell there arent any dodgy Greeks ...

Didn't know such a thing existed Ramps.  I've led a sheltered life! ;D
sheesh and here i was thinking it was the irish  and italians who are just a tad dodgy. me im just a clean skinned anglo saxon from well im not sure. anyway you can be assured us anglos would never shoot out the lights  just so we could win.
by the way is wp greek sort of makes sense except to say he failed his mission this time around. bloody hell wp lift.

idiot does Powell sound greek to you or goose
geez wiliam powell sounds greek to me  close enough anyway.  with a name like william hes probably got mongol n his family what do you think.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Tigermonk on May 29, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.

what he said read above
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: the claw on May 29, 2011, 11:13:48 PM
With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.

what he said read above
wtf are you peeed. get rid of the tiger and put mad there instead. geez ive got it your tony abbott.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 29, 2011, 11:36:35 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

we didnt play in darwin :banghead
So? Its about the same length of flight as it is to go to Perth
Ground is about the same size as the MCG, only difference is the humidity

With the greatest respect once again you have no idea.

It had nothing to do with ground dimensions or length of flight its about preparation.  :banghead :banghead

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that hey this mob(Port) have been up here 5/6 times and do pretty well so maybe just maybe lets come up a night before to settle in and train at night in conditions we have never played in before at this ground.

Players didnt come to play last night thats true, but hey if you think its okay to be hitting up local bands and doing media, while your opponents are training at TIO stadium then you really havent got a clue.

The whole club failed us last night. We only lost by 15 but this one cuts deeper than the Hawks/Pies loss because of the way it was handled by all areas of the club.
You're going to have to explain why the preparation for interstate games that did so well for us last year was such a failure for the trip to Darwin
It was simple complacency, nothing else
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: mat073 on May 29, 2011, 11:39:17 PM
Good thread Ramps but after cooling down for 24 hours I dont believe the club/Benny Gale needs to apologise.

Its not like they decided to play the game in Darwin last week.I pretty sure this was organised pre season....no one knew we would be 4-1-4 after round 9 ,with a spot in the 8 there for the taking.

The AFL is a tough competition and if you are 10% off your game (like we were) you will get rolled-even by the bottom team.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: one-eyed on May 30, 2011, 01:42:05 AM
From: Pies boast huge financial advantages on their rivals
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
May 30, 2011


IT was almost as if Collingwood was rubbing its rival's noses in its extraordinary wealth.

In the same week Port launched a glorified tin rattle and Richmond cost itself four points by selling a home game to Darwin, the Pies flashed the cash.

Richmond's decision to sell a game to Darwin smacked of everything the club has been trying to eradicate through its Fighting Tiger Fund.

Why fund your own reserves team and revamp Punt Rd Oval when the difference between September or bust can be whether or not you play 11 games at home?

Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale will argue only when the club clears its debt can it control its fixturing destiny, and he is spot on.

Instead of waking up yesterday morning with his side equal fifth, Damien Hardwick's side was in that familiar slot of ninth on the ladder.

Richmond would not have dropped a contest against footy's worst side at Etihad Stadium, yet at TIO Stadium it always loomed as a massive danger game.

The Tigers had never played at TIO Stadium against a Port Adelaide side on its seventh trip there, and it showed.

Many Power players wore gloves in the hot, dewy conditions, and for whatever reason, the Tigers totally failed to embrace all of Darwin's challenges.

Anyone who has travelled to Darwin knows anything and everything often goes - did the Power handle the lights fiasco better than a Richmond side on its virgin trip up north?

On that subject, what century are we living in?

That we might be forced to postpone a game because the lights threaten to fail is unacceptable for an AFL administration that has just signed a $1.25 million broadcast deal.

You can imagine the stuff discussion the late and great AFL grounds manager Jill Lindsay might have had with stadium management this week.

Collingwood knows that in a competition where all teams are equal, some are more equal than others.

But rivals cannot complain because the Pies would never sell a home game to an interstate location.

Footy's equalisation committee is crunching the numbers, but the sell-off home games should be at the top of its list.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-boast-huge-financial-advantages-on-their-rivals/story-fn7si0bn-1226065164763
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 30, 2011, 07:08:04 AM
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
May 30, 2011[/i]

That we might be forced to postpone a game because the lights threaten to fail is unacceptable for an AFL administration that has just signed a $1.25 million broadcast deal.



I think you mean 1.25 Billion Ralphy  ;D if it was $1.25 mil it would explain the lights fiasco
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: smasha on May 30, 2011, 11:06:04 AM
WP-eating a few Relton Roberts with no HT report.
Shame,shame,shame-Gomer Pyle voice.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 30, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

That's a fair point Infamy - it worked last year but we did play in venues that we've played at many times before

This is different...but I might add:

That Port went up a day earlier is not the issue IMO

Bottom line is they were smart. They did their training at the ground under lights basically in the conditions that they were going to play in

Why didn't we do the same thing?

We flew up Friday morning got there around 2.00pm

We trained Friday arvo around 3.30pm for about 45minutes and then signed autographs for another 30-40 mins (which is fine btw).

But why didn't we train under lights at around 7.00pm surely that would have made more sense than training in heat of the day which is very different to how the heat is at night

Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: one-eyed on May 30, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
High price
By Ashley Browne
1:47 PM Mon 30 May, 2011



RICHMOND’S announcement last year that it would play a home game at Darwin’s TIO Stadium was drew little fanfare and less fuss.

Taking the AFL game to a developing market while helping the club's all-important bottom line? Who could argue with that?

Fast forward to the game itself. Never mind the power failure that caused the floodlights to dim just before the game and that nearly caused the game’s postponement, the most damage on the night was caused to Richmond, which lost to Port Adelaide by 15 points.

Had the Richmond home game been played at the MCG, it is hard to imagine the Tigers dropping the points. The Tigers have been good at their ‘true’ home ground for much of the season and with 40,000 fans in full voice, they would have rammed that advantage home against an opponent down on form and confidence, and without a win at the MCG since round 4, 2009.

Now they’re out of the eight and in the midst of what will become a logjam for positions in the lower half of the finals race, along with Fremantle, Sydney, Melbourne, the Western Bulldogs and the suddenly resurgent St Kilda.

If the Tigers fall short at the end of the season, be it for a home final in the opening week of the finals (not so likely) or the finals themselves (a bit more likely), moving a home game to Darwin, and then losing, will be offered up as a key reason why.

It has happened before. Melbourne ‘sold’ a home game to the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba every year between 2001 and 2007, and the effect it had on both clubs in some of those years was quite dramatic.

2001: The Brisbane Lions beat Melbourne by 49 points. The Lions finished second that year, earning a home qualifying final against Port Adelaide, which they won. Had the clash with Melbourne been at the MCG and the Demons had won, then Port would have hosted that first final and the Lions might not have won, making their path to the Grand Final all the more difficult. The Demons, with one more win to their name, would have been right in the mix for a finals berth.

2004: The Lions enjoyed a comfortable 40-point win over Melbourne at the Gabba in round 10. But the Demons were 7-2 at the time and flying. They would nearly have won it at the MCG. The net effect was that the Demons finished a game out of fourth (and the double chance) and were bundled out of the finals in the opening week by Essendon amid cries of protest towards the club’s administration by Melbourne supporters.

But the biggest loser out of the switch that year might have been St Kilda, which finished third - equal on points with the Lions but 10 percentage points behind. The Saints were belted by the Lions at the Gabba in the qualifying final. But had they the luxury of a home game in week one, they may have won through to a home preliminary final, where the odds of making the Grand Final, in what was a very even season, would have been greatly enhanced.

Granted, there are lots of ifs, buts and maybes in any discussion about what the results of games might have been had the venues not been switched. But while Port Adelaide hasn’t been overly successful at TIO Stadium (with three wins from seven encounters) it is familiar with the venue and the tropical environment and this gave it a tremendous advantage against the Tigers, who were visiting for the first time.

Take away the black shorts and it was an away game for the Tigers in every other respect and as we know, developing teams struggle to win on the road.

Heaven help the Tiger administration if they drop their other transplanted home game, against Gold Coast in Cairns in round 17.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/115078/default.aspx
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Penelope on May 30, 2011, 03:03:00 PM
what the eff is wrong with a player having an afternoon nap before a night game?


you people have no idea.
There routine is up the creek.
The spend a tiring day travelling on the Friday, have to train and then have ordinary night sleep.
Get up next day stuffed, have to then play that night. GREAT PREPARATION NOT
Its all about routine.
We had the same routine for interstate games last year and we managed pretty well

That's a fair point Infamy - it worked last year but we did play in venues that we've played at many times before

This is different...but I might add:

That Port went up a day earlier is not the issue IMO

Bottom line is they were smart. They did their training at the ground under lights basically in the conditions that they were going to play in

Why didn't we do the same thing?

We flew up Friday morning got there around 2.00pm

We trained Friday arvo around 3.30pm for about 45minutes and then signed autographs for another 30-40 mins (which is fine btw).

But why didn't we train under lights at around 7.00pm surely that would have made more sense than training in heat of the day which is very different to how the heat is at night


The training time was definitely a mistake and hopefully the club will learn from that next year. It really is amazing how slippery that yellow ball gets in those conditions.

In saying that the big killer was that the boys were just flat for the entire game, which although disappointing was not a real surprise.

All this talk that playing in darwin cost us the game is pure crap. we lost the game because we were not goos enough onn the night - simple as that.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: eliminator on May 31, 2011, 06:55:26 AM
Agree with Al. About the decision to play the game in Darwin Gale was acting in the best interests of the club. There was never any guarantee we would beat port in Melbourne. We have a poor record against them. The club needs to wipe its debt. In an expanded competition a well resourced football department is essential. We played poorly and payed the price. Good teams can play at any ground. Harwick will make sure they learn from this.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Smokey on May 31, 2011, 10:06:38 AM

We trained Friday arvo around 3.30pm for about 45minutes and then signed autographs for another 30-40 mins (which is fine btw).

But why didn't we train under lights at around 7.00pm surely that would have made more sense than training in heat of the day which is very different to how the heat is at night


And you couldn't even call it a training run WP, light jog at best.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Smokey on May 31, 2011, 10:08:56 AM

................. and as we know, developing teams struggle to win on the road.


The only modicum of sense in that whole article of conjecture and crap.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 31, 2011, 11:33:40 AM

................. and as we know, developing teams struggle to win on the road.


The only modicum of sense in that whole article of conjecture and crap.
...except for last year (http://www.thegaragegazette.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/icon_scratch_head.gif)
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 31, 2011, 11:41:18 AM
...except for last year (http://www.thegaragegazette.com/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/icon_scratch_head.gif)

We didn't go that great on the road last year when you think about it

We bet Bris & Port but lost to Adel, Syd, Freo
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Infamy on May 31, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
Still beat Port on the road, in a significant milestone game for them and they are a worse team this time around
Granted the conditions were unique, but we beat them at the wet weather game which they did to us this time around
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: mightytiges on June 01, 2011, 02:02:45 AM
As much as I'm against selling home games because it disadvantages the team, at least it wasn't done in a year where it costs us onfield when we are genuinely a good side. Hopefully we are back to not selling any home games by 2013 as that is when our list begins to mature.
Title: Was Richmond’s Darwin experiment a mistake? (theRoar)
Post by: one-eyed on June 01, 2011, 11:18:33 AM
Was Richmond’s Darwin experiment a mistake?
By Ben Waterworth
TheRoar
Wednesday, June 1, 2011



While most AFL fans marvelled at the sparkling new Metricon Stadium on Saturday night, another match with far less publicity was being played 3,500 kilometres north-west of Carrara between Richmond and Port Adelaide.

Unlike the Gold Coast-Geelong clash, the Darwin game didn’t have the glitz of a virgin venue. Nor did it have a glamorous sub-plot of a champion midfielder – the game’s protagonist – playing against his former club for the first time. But what unfolded in Marrara was just as significant.

In farcical scenes, two of the stadium’s light towers blew out, almost forcing the match to be delayed. Then the AFL was criticised for playing a match in energy-sapping conditions and poor facilities for players.

However the night’s biggest loser wasn’t the AFL or TIO Stadium. It was the Tigers – the team that finished 16 points behind on the scoreboard when the final siren sounded.

It was Richmond’s ‘home’ game, even though the ground was 3700 kilometres north-west of the MCG – its normal home ground. In 2010, the Tigers signed a contract to host one game during 2011 and 2012 in Darwin. The two-year deal meant an $1 million – $500,000 for each game – would go into the club’s piggy bank. Handy money, right?

But has selling a home game to Darwin cost the Tigers dearly? Will it cost them a place in the top eight? Should they have stayed in Melbourne and increased their likelihood of a win?

Analysing the two teams’ form and respective ladder positions before the start of the game, the Tigers were expected to defeat Port Adelaide comfortably. They sat in ninth spot and had won four of their past five games. Conversely, the miserable Power sat on the bottom of the ladder with just one win from its first nine games.

The boys in yellow and black led by nine points at half-time and, despite their scrappy first 60 minutes, were expected to run all over the league’s bottom-placed team in the second half. Instead, Richmond left TIO Stadium empty-handed, largely thanks to a lethargic second-half effort, but also due to the players’ unfamiliarity of the surroundings.

Saturday night’s match was the first time the Tigers had ever played in Darwin, whereas the Power had played there seven times before. Yes, the Tigers should’ve beaten their opponents no matter where and when the game was played. But it’s extremely difficult for a young side to travel three hours north into the unknown and beat a team who has been to the unknown before.

And the Tigers only had themselves to blame.

There’s little doubt if Richmond had played Port Adelaide at the MCG or Etihad Stadium, they would’ve won – easily. The Tigers would’ve been far more comfortable in their familiar Melbourne surroundings. They also would’ve had over 30,000 passionate fans attend the match, which always spurs them on because they are a team who often plays on emotion.

But the club chose money.

Some will say the trip to Darwin was all worth it.

That extra $500,000 earned on Saturday night will now go into recruiting, medical management and, most importantly, the football department. If a club doesn’t have a first-class football department with adequate player facilities and medical resources, it’s very tough for it to win a premiership.

Today, players and coaches are well aware of the importance of the commercial side of footy, in terms of a club’s functionality. Richmond would be as well aware as any other club in the league, after its recent ‘Fighting Tiger Fund’ successfully raised $2.5 million – $125,000 coming directly from the players.

However, the cost of missing the top eight shouldn’t be dismissed here. If it makes the finals at the end of the season, Richmond will receive a bonus payment from the AFL, which could be enough to pay for the football department itself. That’s a big if though.

Some will say the loss was just a case of a young Tigers side that were severely underprepared.

It was fascinating to watch the Richmond players during the week leading up to the Power match. They seemed to be in a reflective mood, basking in the limelight over their inspiring win over in-form Essendon the previous weekend, rather than looking forward to Round 10. This probably should’ve been addressed by the coaching staff and board.

When the Tigers stepped out onto the field on Saturday night, they obviously weren’t in the right frame of mind. Whether they were still thinking about the previous weekend, or underdone because they hadn’t had a chance to acclimatise to the weather, something certainly wasn’t right. And it showed on the scoreboard.

We mustn’t forget Richmond is one of the youngest teams on average age. Little shock losses like Saturday night are part of the development of the footy club.

Let’s not take much away from the Power though, who seemed far more prepared for the match. They arrived in Darwin on Wednesday, trained on Thursday during match time, and wore gloves to help them grip the footy. They knew what to expect and prepared adequately for that.

Still, Richmond should’ve won.

And now if the Tigers miss out on a finals spot, selling a ‘home’ game to the Northern Territory could come at a major cost.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/06/01/was-richmonds-darwin-experiment-a-mistake/
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: gerkin greg on June 01, 2011, 11:21:32 AM
old news mr. j. comelately  :wallywink
Title: Re: Was Richmond’s Darwin experiment a mistake? (theRoar)
Post by: Ox on June 01, 2011, 11:25:39 AM
Was Richmond’s Darwin experiment a mistake?
By Ben Waterworth
TheRoar
Wednesday, May 1, 2011



While most AFL fans marvelled at the sparkling new Metricon Stadium on Saturday night, another match with far less publicity was being played 3,500 kilometres north-west of Carrara between Richmond and Port Adelaide.

Unlike the Gold Coast-Geelong clash, the Darwin game didn’t have the glitz of a virgin venue. Nor did it have a glamorous sub-plot of a champion midfielder – the game’s protagonist – playing against his former club for the first time. But what unfolded in Marrara was just as significant.

In farcical scenes, two of the stadium’s light towers blew out, almost forcing the match to be delayed. Then the AFL was criticised for playing a match in energy-sapping conditions and poor facilities for players.

However the night’s biggest loser wasn’t the AFL or TIO Stadium. It was the Tigers – the team that finished 16 points behind on the scoreboard when the final siren sounded.

It was Richmond’s ‘home’ game, even though the ground was 3700 kilometres north-west of the MCG – its normal home ground. In 2010, the Tigers signed a contract to host one game during 2011 and 2012 in Darwin. The two-year deal meant an $1 million – $500,000 for each game – would go into the club’s piggy bank. Handy money, right?

But has selling a home game to Darwin cost the Tigers dearly? Will it cost them a place in the top eight? Should they have stayed in Melbourne and increased their likelihood of a win?

Analysing the two teams’ form and respective ladder positions before the start of the game, the Tigers were expected to defeat Port Adelaide comfortably. They sat in ninth spot and had won four of their past five games. Conversely, the miserable Power sat on the bottom of the ladder with just one win from its first nine games.

The boys in yellow and black led by nine points at half-time and, despite their scrappy first 60 minutes, were expected to run all over the league’s bottom-placed team in the second half. Instead, Richmond left TIO Stadium empty-handed, largely thanks to a lethargic second-half effort, but also due to the players’ unfamiliarity of the surroundings.

Saturday night’s match was the first time the Tigers had ever played in Darwin, whereas the Power had played there seven times before. Yes, the Tigers should’ve beaten their opponents no matter where and when the game was played. But it’s extremely difficult for a young side to travel three hours north into the unknown and beat a team who has been to the unknown before.

And the Tigers only had themselves to blame.

There’s little doubt if Richmond had played Port Adelaide at the MCG or Etihad Stadium, they would’ve won – easily. The Tigers would’ve been far more comfortable in their familiar Melbourne surroundings. They also would’ve had over 30,000 passionate fans attend the match, which always spurs them on because they are a team who often plays on emotion.

But the club chose money.

Some will say the trip to Darwin was all worth it.

That extra $500,000 earned on Saturday night will now go into recruiting, medical management and, most importantly, the football department. If a club doesn’t have a first-class football department with adequate player facilities and medical resources, it’s very tough for it to win a premiership.

Today, players and coaches are well aware of the importance of the commercial side of footy, in terms of a club’s functionality. Richmond would be as well aware as any other club in the league, after its recent ‘Fighting Tiger Fund’ successfully raised $2.5 million – $125,000 coming directly from the players.

However, the cost of missing the top eight shouldn’t be dismissed here. If it makes the finals at the end of the season, Richmond will receive a bonus payment from the AFL, which could be enough to pay for the football department itself. That’s a big if though.

Some will say the loss was just a case of a young Tigers side that were severely underprepared.

It was fascinating to watch the Richmond players during the week leading up to the Power match. They seemed to be in a reflective mood, basking in the limelight over their inspiring win over in-form Essendon the previous weekend, rather than looking forward to Round 10. This probably should’ve been addressed by the coaching staff and board.

When the Tigers stepped out onto the field on Saturday night, they obviously weren’t in the right frame of mind. Whether they were still thinking about the previous weekend, or underdone because they hadn’t had a chance to acclimatise to the weather, something certainly wasn’t right. And it showed on the scoreboard.

We mustn’t forget Richmond is one of the youngest teams on average age. Little shock losses like Saturday night are part of the development of the footy club.

Let’s not take much away from the Power though, who seemed far more prepared for the match. They arrived in Darwin on Wednesday, trained on Thursday during match time, and wore gloves to help them grip the footy. They knew what to expect and prepared adequately for that.

Still, Richmond should’ve won.

And now if the Tigers miss out on a finals spot, selling a ‘home’ game to the Northern Territory could come at a major cost.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/06/01/was-richmonds-darwin-experiment-a-mistake/


MAY 1?
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: gerkin greg on June 01, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
hey McFly your shoes untied
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: one-eyed on June 02, 2011, 02:01:41 AM
Patrick Smith in today's Australian....


For example: it might be seen in hindsight that Richmond did not sacrifice its future - either immediate or long-term - by playing and losing in Darwin against the broke and unhappy Port Adelaide.

For that was the opinion formed in the moment. That had Richmond played Port at home in Melbourne and not up in the neutral territory of an unsophisticated football frontier of Darwin, then it would be in the eight and finals-bound.

With two weeks' think music, cacklers might have taken into account Richmond's difficult financial position, its debt-reduction plan, the relative depth of its young list, the complacency that came with the defeat of the stuff Tongues the week before. Cacklers might then be more of the mind of the Richmond president Gary March who felt the Tigers played so poorly, were so mentally underdone that they would have lost had the game been played in "the car park".

Just because politicians dance to the beat of the national cackery it does not mean that football clubs should.

The best-run clubs, the ones that make the wisest decisions, have one thing in common. They turn the volume down.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/a-little-thinking-music-goes-long-long-way-in-avoiding-doomsday/story-e6frg7t6-1226067483108
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: Penelope on June 02, 2011, 07:44:15 AM
The forked tongues  :lol

Not too sure if refering to darwin as an unsophisticated football terrotory is a compliment or a back hander  :laugh:

Overall, a long winded way to say we should take the emotion out of our decision making/ assessments.

The forked tongues  :lol 
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: one-eyed on June 02, 2011, 09:14:40 PM
Nothing you could disagree with but Lloyd couldn't resist a dig at us tonight on the Game Plan after we beat his beloved Bombers the week before. We copped his "sledgehammer" this week for playing bruise free footy and making skill errors we didn't against Essendon. Also said any blame on playing in Darwin is a cop-out. He's spewing we turned up to play against Essendon  :wallywink.
Title: Re: Club Should Apologise for the Darwin Farce
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 02, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
The forked tongues  :lol

Not too sure if refering to darwin as an unsophisticated football terrotory is a compliment or a back hander  :laugh:

Overall, a long winded way to say we should take the emotion out of our decision making/ assessments.

The forked tongues  :lol 

"The forked tongues" Patrick is refering to al, is his old CLub Essendon, who he has dis-owned because of their lying and unhanded handling of their coashing circus last year  ;D I don't know why Patrick just didn't say those lying scumbag bombers  ;D