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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: JohnF on May 23, 2004, 04:49:02 PM
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What happened to him last night?
This post isn't really about his form becuase its been pretty good this year, it's more about his dedication.
I know he tries hard on the footy field, but wtf does he do off it? In the years he's been down at the club the only thing that has changed with his body shape is that he has gotten a little bit fatter. Has he ever stepped foot inside a gym? I don't know how he is expected to progeress to playing on the ball with such muppet arms.
I get so frustrated seeing him rock around with such an underdeveloped build because he has the potential to be an excellent player and he isn't giving himself the best opportunity to do it.
I mean, even Fiora (who is a dud, don't get me wrong) has bothered to increase his muscle mass, despite being a stick. How come Andy hasn't? THe club must be being slack with him.
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Well, i coudl say the obvious, he's Aboriginal and goes missing a lot. He's also developing - and i'm with you John, he has so much puppy fat it's embarrassing. Maurice Rioli looked the same to me, but he produced. I think he'll be a good player eventually - time will tell. I reckon he could be anything, and probably in a better team who know how to develop players, we'd see it. How many kids have we had with so much promise not developed properly. Grrrr!!!
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He's got the same build as his dad and uncle more or less.
While I agree with the majority of the list9(all) should invest in
some hours on the led(we've chatted about this b4)
Andy could probably play his whole career with just a little
more definition and still aspire to greatness
He's only a little guy and his athleticism and natural skill are
the things that he will always draw on as opposed to a man
on man style of play.
Id treat him like a KB type of player.
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More than anything, I think a bit of muscle would work wonders to increase Andy's pace, which is the one place where he is lacking imo. For a small forward he doesn't have any explosiveness. His co-ordination and skill are great, but he can't really explode out on a lead like he should or rove the packs with the same effectiveness that he would if he was quick off the mark.
The problem isn't that he is just thin - there are many thin blokes that are wiry and tightly wound up like a spring coil - the problem is that he is limp and lethargic looking. His dad and uncle were thin, but they were battle hardened and muscly, Andy looks like an athletic 14 year old girl.
I don't want to bag the bloke, just think he could get much more out of himself.
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I see your point young John.
Maybe we need to diagnose him with chronic fatigue syndrome
and pump him full of juice like they did for Allaster Lynch.
That guys so pumped from his treatment for CFS that he
doesn't look like quitting anytime soon.
Why cant Hafey take them in to the gym?
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Andy's fitness level is my main concern. Too many times I have seen him pull at his shorts and puff away. I have said this numerous times - We are probably the least fit team in the comp. Our weights and physical conditioning staff have got alot to answer for. Have a look at the saints - for a bunch of kids they look more like men than what our senior players do.
How hard is it to put some weight on Fiora for example. Force him to take 3-4 protein shakes each day followed by weight sessions and anyone can gain weight. But as sleeping is his favourite past-time it makes sense that he has remained skinny like how he was when he first started off.
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LMFAOOOOOOOO@Lynch being chronically fatigued yet playing till he is 45.
I reckon steroids should be a legitimate treatment for CFS (chronic failure syndrome).
Get Pettifer, Hilton, Fiora, Zantuck etc on the gear.
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send spud to Thailand for a week-end and get him to grab all
the couda gear and just walk it thru customs.
Bingo,the boys are on the gear.
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PUT 'EM ALL ON THE GEAR
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Another limp bizkit is Justin Blumfield. Very talented player, but no muscle to speak of after ten years of AFL footy. He deserves to be ars-ed in the Burg and never to return until he takes himself seriously.
Agree about St.Kilda, they have got their sheit together in the training department and now they are going to reap the rewards. Our boys on the other hand will do nothing but sink pee and turn out pee weak.
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Tell me something guys.
For a while now i've questioned the immediate air quality
in the direct flow of Punt road oval.
Surely it has to be the most polluted intersection in Melbourne
Explain to me this...how can such an environment not severely
damage the cardio vascula and rhespiratory rsystem over time.
The area is like a joke as fae as fresh air goes.
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send spud to Thailand for a week-end and get him to grab all
the couda gear and just walk it thru customs.
Bingo,the boys are on the gear.
LMFAOOOOO@Spud going to Thailand and coming back with party drugs.
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Tell me something guys.
For a while now i've questioned the immediate air quality
in the direct flow of Punt road oval.
Surely it has to be the most polluted intersection in Melbourne
Explain to me this...how can such an environment not severely
damage the cardio vascula and rhespiratory rsystem over time.
The area is like a joke as fae as fresh air goes.
Good point Ox. Llmfaoooo@opposition supporters thinking the same thing and always taking the Punt road route in the hope of making our footy team sufffer.
I'd also like to know if there is any medical research showing a correlation between stupid decision making and pollution intake cos we've been playing some dumb football the last 20 years.
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LMAO Ox - that would explain our brain dead players.
Maybe the team should train in the prestine environment of the Dandenong Mountains.
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I know for an absolute fact Mick Malthouse had the Weagles and Fagpies boys on some jungle juice injected into the veins.Look at the physics at the West Coast guys in the mid-late 90s.
Maybe Ty 'The Don' wannabe gangster Zantuck can organize a cheap heist to be smuggled into the Punt Rd Gym.
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LMAOOO@Alphonse Zantuck
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Krakouer craves consistency
5:23:28 PM Tue 22 June, 2004
Bren O'Brien
Sportal/exclusive to afl.com.au
When Richmond youngster Andrew Krakouer set out for his goals for 2004, consistency was on the top of his list.
Having not missed a game in the first 13 weeks and transformed himself from a crumbing forward to a hard-working midfielder, the skinny lad from Western Australia who the Tigers marked out as a special project on draft day 2000 is finally starting to repay the club’s faith.
Krakouer attributes his more consistent contribution to a better attitude to the game and a stronger pre-season, but admits he still has his ups and downs.
“Probably just a better pre-season. The coaches have given me the opportunity to play in the midfield. The first five or six games I was able to play consistently, probably the last month or so I’ve dropped off a bit. There were some signs there on the weekend that will change coming into the last nine weeks,” Krakouer said.
The rotation between the midfield and the forward line has allowed Krakouer to get more of the ball. In the 34 games he’d played prior to this year he had only had more than ten possessions four times. So far in 2004, he has managed that feat in all but two games.
“The more you get it, the more you want the ball,” Krakouer said. “The more I get it, it gives me confidence. It’s a lot easier than just waiting in the forward line for the ball to come down,” Krakouer said.
Krakouer attributes the arrival of Nathan Brown at Punt Road as a real influence on his style of play and he now counts the prolific onballer/forward as a mentor.
“I like the way Nathan Brown plays, I talk to Browny sometimes. We play similar positions and we often swap with one of us going forward and one going on the ball.”
The 21-year-old from South Fremantle has also been impressed by the leadership style of captain Wayne Campbell, who claimed AFL life membership in last Saturday night’s defeat to Carlton.
“I get along really well with Wayne. He doesn’t put too much pressure on you,” he said. “He’s a great captain, he’s a great player, and I’m just honoured to play under him. He makes you really relaxed and helps you to go out there and do the right thing.”
While the injury-prone Mark Coughlan has been the public face of the young Tigers’ engine room, Krakouer said there is plenty of promise among the lower-profile on-ballers.
“A few boys have stepped up very well with Coughlan being injured,” he said. “Chris Hyde and Chris Newman, Hydey especially, have come along really well and have continued to improve with every game, the club probably needs just a bit more depth.”
On a personal level, Krakouer’s aims haven’t changed since the pre-season. Much like his club, he wants to be able to do the job well every week.
“I’ve still got a bit to give. I want an even spread, some real consistency over the last nine games,” Krakouer said. “It’s probably the same for the team, we want to win more games than we lose and find a level which we can stay at.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=156366
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Love the kid!!!
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One of the very few who can turn nothing into something. Plays on instinct. Most of our players have to think about what to do, Krak doesnt, he just does it !
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any chance we could really annoy north fans and pick up his cousin in this years draft?
LOL
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Love his crumbing skills and his goal prowess.
Is his cousin similar to andy,PRR?
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Krakouer to stay a Tiger
14 September 2004
Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
ANDREW Krakouer will remain at Richmond, ending fears he could return to Western Australia for family reasons.
Krakouer, who last week finished sixth in the club's best-and-fairest, has agreed to a new three-year deal.
The 21-year-old, one of the few genuine good news stories at Punt Rd this season, will be a key part of new coach Terry Wallace's plans.
Krakouer's manager Peter Jess last night confirmed the pull to return home to Perth remained in the back of his client's mind as he weighed up his future.
His father Jim was recently released from jail and will remain in Western Australia.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10758070%255E19771,00.html
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Good to hear Kraks has re-signed. Would have preferred a 2 year deal as he hasn't reached his full potential yet but nevertheless glad he's still at Tigerland. We need all the class we can get. Hopefully with another pre-season under his belt under Wallace he will become a more consistent footballer.
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I'm happy - all he needs to me is some fitness which i think has been alluded to before. Under a good coach, excited about his prospects ;D
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:thumbsup :thumbsup Every side needs a touch of class....
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As many good things Krak does, he still goes missing alot.
Sure he has talent and POTENTIAL but he still has a long way to go before he it a topline player. In saying that he is still also very young and hopefully he can become a class act like a Mcleod.
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Krakouer's new 3 year deal is reportedly costing us $750K according to The Age.
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Rediculous money!
What was that you said Jackstar? We overrate and fall in love with players?
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I would say a decent percentage of this will be peformance based.
Relax guys, let Miller do the job
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Wouldn't hurt to put him on Horse steroids for afew weeks either.
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Hi people,
Andy staying at the club is FANTASTIC :cheers
I am sure he will repay the faith shown in him !! He could teach Rottens a thing or two about loyality!
Thanks
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As most of you know I'm not one of Andy's biggest admirers, and its performances like today's which is the reason why.
Ten touches a game really shouldn't be acceptable at this stage in his career and I don't see anyway that he will better his performances unless he takes the responsibility upon himself to get well conditioned and prepared for AFL footy.
FFS, you'd think he'd show a pulse playing in front of his old man but it was the same ole lackadaisical Krakouer moping about the field.
What gives? If he doesn't lift his game in the next month and continues to pull out the ten touch games, I want to see him spend a good three or 4 weeks at Coburg so he can re-assess what is going on in his career.
It might seem harsh coming down on him after one game in the year, I admit as much myself, but I effen hate seeing players that aren't getting the best out of themselves being rewarded with game selection.
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Was one of many that were very disappointing JohnF but rightly so that this question should be asked.
I havent been impressed with him either in his time at Richmond and he really needs to step up this season, but I seriously doubt he has the ability to.
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Given Krakouer's now played 57 games and starting his 5th year of AFL (granted he started 1 year earlier than expected) I agree John he should be primed to take the next step up again and take on more responsibility.
His first 2 years were developing ones. His 3rd year was disappointing as he appeared to stall but last year he improved a fair bit although it was a mixed bag of results. Started and ended the season reasonably well but was quiet in the middle. Ironically the 2 games he racked up 20+ possies last year were against the Cats.
As we got totally smashed in the midfield today and our disposal was crap going forward it isn't too surprising he only got 10 posessions. Like PRR said he had many mates. I see Krakouer ending up a dangerous cameo type which all good sides need.
IMO wait til the end of the year to judge whether he can find consistency and start taking games by the scruff of the neck..
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He struggles to make more than a 5 minute impact, need to look at trading him at the end of the season if this doesnt change.
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Agree...Agree...Agree....
I called this at the start of the pre-season. He needs to lift somewhere near 70-90% in terms of effectiveness and impact. he can get 10 possesions, but they must result in 2-4 goals.......simply. As an onballer, he does not cut the mustard and his body-size does not help. I think we need to make him into a permanent forward pocket who will deliver with 40-odd goals a season.
On the lighter side, isnt it ironic how he isnt showing enough and the one person who is vouching for him is our former-coach? You cant help but shake your head.
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He struggles to make more than a 5 minute impact, need to look at trading him at the end of the season if this doesnt change.
I agree he tends to be a bit lazy but unfortunately he's just got a 3 year contract at $250,000 a season, Wallace needs to get inside his head he needs to find space & team mates have to stop kicking to him in a contest.
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krak like many others is at the cross roads, but i have faith in him, he had a shocker but it was an emotional day 4 him no excuses though but he needs too get fitter and play midfield he has the stregnthjust not the stamina
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My opinion of Andrew Krakouer is diminishing at a fast rate, once again he put in another terrible performance and he is another along with Tiva's that is badly in need of a run at Coburg.
He isnt attacking the ball and just seems to following his opponent around the ground all day.
For a player who gets payed the money he is (reported at $250K) he is far below par of what you would expect from a player in that group.
Thoughts?
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On current form I would have to agree Bull. I remember when he was renowned for his tackling and second efforts a couple of years ago but's he's not been able to recapture that enthusiasm so far this season. Maybe an icy cold bench at Coburg may put a tingle in his spine.
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lmfaoooooooo@all the dills on certain other websites that thought he was in for the year of his life after dominating intra club matches and matches against VFL sides.
I'm still amazed at how they even thought of giving a guy like Krakouer a three year deal :banghead. The last thing you do to lazy priks like Krakouer is reward them with long term contracts. If he was getting everything he could out of himself it would be a different story. But when you see a bloke with muppet arms after 4 full seasons of AFL you have to ask serious questions about their commitment, not give them 3 year deals.
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lmfaoooooooo@all the dills on certain other websites that thought he was in for the year of his life after dominating intra club matches and matches against VFL sides.
I'm still amazed at how they even thought of giving a guy like Krakouer a three year deal :banghead. The last thing you do to lazy priks like Krakouer is reward them with long term contracts. If he was getting everything he could out of himself it would be a different story. But when you see a bloke with muppet arms after 4 full seasons of AFL you have to ask serious questions about their commitment, not give them 3 year deals.
maybe alot of us are laughing at u for comments like this.
did u see how much respect high 5s hug taps on teh back and so 4th richo gave krak during the short spells he had agaisnt the dawks. he is our only fwd who busts his guts to keep the ball in and his pack work on sunday set up goals 4 us!
he may be small, but he is tuff and hard at it and is our best tackler by a mile! poo we are 2 games in and u r all on his case! chaff, tiv, kell, gas are 4 experienced players who have all had bad starts , so krak is not alone but at least when he gets the ball something happens.
he will kick arse against the dogs wait n c!
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Don't agree that Krakour is soft as butter as he goes in pretty hard and lays heavy tackles for a small bloke. The problem with Krakouer is that he's probably got the worst engine in the AFL. His endurance and pace is a really big concern, something that is very difficult to improve.
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AHHAHAHAHAH @ X-Cited who sees a leader trying to lift a young kid who doesnt do enough and think that its because Kraks is dominating.
Look his tackling is great no doubts about it, but my god Pets can rack up 18 touches and two goals from a half-foward while Kraks has racked up 20 touches in two games.....he just doesnt have an impact and you cant reward players like that with 3-year deals IF they dont turn it up.
He isn't soft.......he just isnt getting enough of the ball.
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I certainly don't think he is soft - far from it. I reckon he is one the best tacklers for his size in the game. His attack on the ball, especially in our forward fifty is first rate.
The problem with Krakouer is that he's probably got the worst engine in the AFL. His endurance and pace is a really big concern, something that is very difficult to improve.
Agree with this HarryH - his around the ground work, his running etc (areobic capacity I think they call it) is a major worry. The skills there but the power to run isn't and I don't know how you improve it.
I also reckon his concentration (or lack of it) is a problem. He seems to be like alot of players in that he doesn't seem switched on. He can give you a 5 minute burst of brillance and then go missing for quarter or worse still a half.
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Terry should get a personal trainer/ running coach for Krakouer and he should work on this aspect of his game 80% of the time on his own. His skill is there and doesn't need much work but he somehow needs to greatly improve his engine.
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lmfaoooooooo@all the dills on certain other websites that thought he was in for the year of his life after dominating intra club matches and matches against VFL sides.
I'm still amazed at how they even thought of giving a guy like Krakouer a three year deal :banghead. The last thing you do to lazy priks like Krakouer is reward them with long term contracts. If he was getting everything he could out of himself it would be a different story. But when you see a bloke with muppet arms after 4 full seasons of AFL you have to ask serious questions about their commitment, not give them 3 year deals.
maybe alot of us are laughing at u for comments like this.
did u see how much respect high 5s hug taps on teh back and so 4th richo gave krak during the short spells he had agaisnt the dawks. he is our only fwd who busts his guts to keep the ball in and his pack work on sunday set up goals 4 us!
he may be small, but he is tuff and hard at it and is our best tackler by a mile! pooh we are 2 games in and u r all on his case! chaff, tiv, kell, gas are 4 experienced players who have all had bad starts , so krak is not alone but at least when he gets the ball something happens.
he will kick behind against the dogs wait n c!
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Krakouer is a good tackler, and it's just as well becuase he gets led to the ball every time by his opponent.
His conditiong is a disgrace and and has been since time immemorial. He will never do more than average 12 touches, 3 tackles and a goal per match unless he pulls his finger out his arsre. It's not enough to bust your gut during game time. Football is a 24 hour a day business and you have to wonder what Krakouer does in those other hours.
I will show him all the respect in the world if he gets himself up to AFL standard fitness becuase if he does he will be a very good player. Until then i will continue to bag him becuase he isn't getting the most out of himself and is thereby hurting the club.
The point about it being 2 weeks into the season is irrelevant. This is the Krakouer we've always known. He isn't going to suddenly burst out and start getting twenty touches a game becuase he isn't fit enough, period.
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I'm disappointed in Krak
I always wanted him to be a player like Sampi is for the eagles, he isnt and Sampi hasnt even played as long as Krak.
No 2 ways about it Andy has been a big disappointment.
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I agree that in the past Krak's attack on the ball has been pretty good, but this season and throughout the pre-season he hasnt been the same.
He only had 1 tackle in round 1 and had 6 last sunday against the hawks, which was a good return. In saying that i thought that we moved the ball pretty well last week but continually fell down on the HF stuff and where was Krak. He was behind his man all day and just got lead to ball and thats the reason he had six tackles.
If his performance's dont lift he should be dropped, i would drop him this week!
Would rather see someone like Raines or Roach have a crack.
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Who do John F and The Bull think they are, making comments like that about Krakouer. Does the fact that you've each written a few hundred posts give you permission to speak like that about someone, particularly someone that you supposedly barrack for. Bull, if you saw Andy Krakouer walking down the street, would you tell him that he was 'soft as butter'? Probably not, you'd probably just wish him well for Sunday. Have a think about it boys.
A couple of other points about Krakouer;
1)If Richo is gonna keep leading to the pocket, he is taking his little buddy out of the game. Most rovers of Krakouer's style do not operate well near the boundary line. His ability to deceive the opposition defender by baulking him is non existent if he has only got one side of his body to use.
2)It did look like he was getting lead to the ball last Sunday. He is still learning the game as a defensive on-baller. That may help him develop his aerobic fitness also.
3) Don't forget lead the team in tackles last year, and finished 8th highest in the AFL. He also finished in our 'best' about half a dozen times last year also.
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It was an ugly flooding game in the forward line against the hawks. For the most part, Richo did try and present himself, and Krak should have been in a position to rove in front of him.
Most of the passages of play were long leads which should have meant Krak and Richo lead together, with Krak at least a few steps in front. Instead we saw Krak flooded by in some cases 3 hawthorn players to prevent him from getting to the contest.
No one is doubting Kraks tackling.
Last weekend was an ugly game, but Krak must prove his knockers wrong. A fit and raring to go Tambling would be a direct replacement for Krak in the form he is in at the moment.
Lets hope he turns it around, otherwise he is going to be kicking the dew off the grass at Coburg a number of games this year
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I certainly don't think he is soft - far from it. I reckon he is one the best tacklers for his size in the game. His attack on the ball, especially in our forward fifty is first rate.
The problem with Krakouer is that he's probably got the worst engine in the AFL. His endurance and pace is a really big concern, something that is very difficult to improve.
Agree with this HarryH - his around the ground work, his running etc (areobic capacity I think they call it) is a major worry. The skills there but the power to run isn't and I don't know how you improve it.
I also reckon his concentration (or lack of it) is a problem. He seems to be like alot of players in that he doesn't seem switched on. He can give you a 5 minute burst of brillance and then go missing for quarter or worse still a half.
Agree with Harry and WP here. I think WP is pretty spot on in mentioning Krakouer's lack of concentration. He's not physically soft (wouldn't say that of any AFL player) but he could be more mentally intense and focussed IMHO. Although I could say that of most Richmond players not just Krakouer.
Krakouer at the moment reminds me of Peter Burgoyne earlier in his career (before the last 1 1/2-2 years). Plenty of skill and tricks but didn't have the fitness to play midfield so he was just a cameo player in the forward line who'd turn it on one week then disappear for the next six. Krakouer desperately needs to work hard on improving his endurance (more 400-800-1500m) and stack on another 4-5 kg by the start of next year. He's still only 74kg. Very hard to win contested footy at just that light weight. That's why his tackling rate is unbelievaby good for such a small bloke.
I'm sure Terry now seeing the troops in action first hand will have a better understanding of what needs to be done over next summer individually. Remember Wallace was already assistant coach at the dogs when Joyce got the stuff and then took over for the second half of the 96 season while the dogs languished down the bottom. So he and the dogs were familiar with each other by the time their PF year in 97 came around. This year is still a (re-)learning curve for both coaches and players after Spud's "great" job.
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Krakouer at the moment reminds me of Peter Burgoyne earlier in his career (before the last 1 1/2-2 years). Plenty of skill and tricks but didn't have the fitness to play midfield so he was just a cameo player in the forward line who'd turn it on one week then disappear for the next six. Krakouer desperately needs to work hard on improving his endurance (more 400-800-1500m)
Get him to give S. Black from Brissy a ring :help
and stack on another 4-5 kg by the start of next year. He's still only 74kg. Very hard to win contested footy at just that light weight.
For improvement in this area please call D. Rioli from Essendon :lol
I'm sure Terry now seeing the troops in action first hand will have a better understanding of what needs to be done over next summer individually. Remember Wallace was already assistant coach at the dogs when Joyce got the stuff and then took over for the second half of the 96 season while the dogs languished down the bottom. So he and the dogs were familiar with each other by the time their PF year in 97 came around. This year is still a (re-)learning curve for both coaches and players after Spud's "great" job.
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Who do John F and The Bull think they are, making comments like that about Krakouer
I think i speak for John F and myself here by saying that you are a real tool Dallas Crane and it may be time to return to your inbred at PRE.
Anyway moving on, theres no point talking about what players did last season. Krak did finish 6th in our Best and Fairest last season with 145 votes, that is less than half of the winner Bowdens votes (a total of 324 votes). Besides, finishing 6th in the B&F of the wooden spoon team is nothing to get excited about.
Sure Krak had 95 tackles for the season last year at an average of 4.3 a game, now while that is a great return it doesnt win us games. Kickiong goals win us games and i doubt many of those tackles resulted in goals to the Tigers.
Krak had only 28 scoring shots for the season kicking 20 goals 8 behinds.
Compared to other small forwards in the comp
Graham Johncock 21 goals 15 spends time down back
Tim Notting 30 goals 21
Lappin 23 goals 7 and spent a lot of the year off a half back stuff
Leon Davis 23 goals 13
Alan Didak 21 goals 26
Nathan Lovett Murray 21 goals 11
Paul Medhurst 41 goals 22
Jeff Farmer 36 goals 24
Paul Chapman 38 goals 19
Gary Ablett 35 goals 25
Steve Johnson 21 goals 19 from only 13 matches
Mark Williams 33 goals 12
I can go on, and i will
Daniel Motlop 34 goals 26
Brent Harvey 30 goals 13
Shannon Grant 23 goals 18
Corey Jones 22 goals 17
Aaron Davey 28 goals 20
Stuart Dew 31 goals 21
Gavin Wanganeen 24 goals 10
Josh Mahoney 20 goals 14
Stephen Milne 46 goals 22
Brent Guerra 29 goals 5
Michael O'Loughlin 38 goals 18
Ryan O'Keefe 33 goals 17
Ashley Sampi 32 goals 15
Chris Judd 24 goals 15
Matthew Robbins 29 goals 17
So after taking a look at this exstensive list of similar type of players and compare that to Krak's Pi&s poor return, i again say that he is a Dud and will not be involved in helping Richmond rise back up the ladder.
I rest my case, Matthew Robbins gave a better return for crying out loud!! :banghead
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Why am I a tool? What have I said that makes me a tool?
My opening comment was how you addressed the man, Andrew Krakouer. There is a blazing headline on the summary page saying that he is soft as butter. With your name on it. I asked you a question, would you call him that face-to-face if you saw him walking down the street. You still haven't answered that one yet. If yes, I ask you this, what sort of supporter bags their own players, a very young man in the early stages of his career? If not, why are you prepared to say it in this forum.
I thought your comment about him being 'soft as butter' was incorrect, and rude. The same as I thought John F's comment that he was a 'lazy prick' was incorrect, and rude.
Funny how you are prepared to put the microscope over 22 Richmond players to the most intense of scrutiny, yet aren't prepared to submit to any yourself.
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To answer your question, yes i would say to him that he needs to lift his finger and improve his game.
In hind sight the topic of the thread could have been worded better than it was, over his time at Richmond Krak has been fairly hard at it.
The topic was more related to way i thought he played on Sunday and that certainly soft.
He pulled out of atleast half a dozen contests and failed to even apply himself. Watch the replay and argue that.
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The attitude of Crane sums up part of the fact why guys have stayed at our club for so long who really dont deserve it.
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Well excuse me for asking if someone would stand by their comments.
TB, I thought he struggled a bit on Sunday too. I agree with what you said earlier about him getting lead to the ball. I noticed it a few times, and you definitely want him to be more attacking than that because he is so dangerous around the goal. But I still dunno about softness.
The goal count that you listed of small forwards doesn't look that good for Kraky. But a lot of his tackles were inside our forward 50.
The attitude of Crane sums up part of the fact why guys have stayed at our club for so long who really dont deserve it.
What's the solution, sack him? Who else would you sack while you are at it.
The way I look at it is this. I am not on the board. I am not on the selection committee. You just have to trust that they are putting the best 22 out there. Of course there's been some bad mistakes made at the club over the years, but perservering with Andy Krakouer would never count as one of them.
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Dallas,
i see Andy's current attitude similar to that of Joel Bowdens early last year, i am not saying sack him but a couple of weeks playing a full game on the ball at Coburg could just do him the world of good.
Look what it did for Bowden.
I dont deny that Krak has talent, but i have been going to watch the Tigers everyweek for well over ten years and i have seen plenty of players that have had talent but never gone on with it.
I dont want to see Andy's wasted also.
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Who do John F and The Bull think they are, making comments like that about Krakouer
I think i speak for John F and myself here by saying that you are a real tool Dallas Crane and it may be time to return to your inbred at PRE.
Anyway moving on, theres no point talking about what players did last season. Krak did finish 6th in our Best and Fairest last season with 145 votes, that is less than half of the winner Bowdens votes (a total of 324 votes). Besides, finishing 6th in the B&F of the wooden spoon team is nothing to get excited about.
Sure Krak had 95 tackles for the season last year at an average of 4.3 a game, now while that is a great return it doesnt win us games. Kickiong goals win us games and i doubt many of those tackles resulted in goals to the Tigers.
Krak had only 28 scoring shots for the season kicking 20 goals 8 behinds.
Compared to other small forwards in the comp
Graham Johncock 21 goals 15 spends time down back
Tim Notting 30 goals 21
Lappin 23 goals 7 and spent a lot of the year off a half back stuff
Leon Davis 23 goals 13
Alan Didak 21 goals 26
Nathan Lovett Murray 21 goals 11
Paul Medhurst 41 goals 22
Jeff Farmer 36 goals 24
Paul Chapman 38 goals 19
Gary Ablett 35 goals 25
Steve Johnson 21 goals 19 from only 13 matches
Mark Williams 33 goals 12
I can go on, and i will
Daniel Motlop 34 goals 26
Brent Harvey 30 goals 13
Shannon Grant 23 goals 18
Corey Jones 22 goals 17
Aaron Davey 28 goals 20
Stuart Dew 31 goals 21
Gavin Wanganeen 24 goals 10
Josh Mahoney 20 goals 14
Stephen Milne 46 goals 22
Brent Guerra 29 goals 5
Michael O'Loughlin 38 goals 18
Ryan O'Keefe 33 goals 17
Ashley Sampi 32 goals 15
Chris Judd 24 goals 15
Matthew Robbins 29 goals 17
So after taking a look at this exstensive list of similar type of players and compare that to Krak's Pi&s poor return, i again say that he is a Dud and will not be involved in helping Richmond rise back up the ladder.
I rest my case, Matthew Robbins gave a better return for crying out loud!! :banghead
bit harsh there, i think a stat ur missing is we had teh least amount of fwd 50 entries last year!
im sick off u blokes bagging this kid, its only rnd 2 and u r all shooting him down, fricken hell love to see u guys do better, anyone here got a bigger tank and more talent than him, prove it.
20 goals klast year was a damn good return 4 the team we had!
get over guys he is in our best 22 end of story and is one of teh best fwd pockets in the fl imo, his only prob has been he has been is a poo team like ours
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I never said sack him NOW. But every footballer has a clock, you cant keep them on your list forever. I hope he does turn it on because we are crying for a small forward to be consistently dangerous and frankly he is not serving that role, and he doesnt have the fitness, nor body size nor mental capacity to go on the ball for more than spurts. He just needs a kick in the pants.........
Do you agree with giving him a 3-year deal last year with a salary or around $200-$250k?
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Exactly OM21
I never declared that i had more talent or a better engine(wouldnt mind betting that i may have more endurance than him though) but if people can stand up and say that Krak is one of the best small forwards in the league then you have to be kidding yourself.
Look at the list of players i posted.
Sure i look and them and would like to think Krak is better than them, but when you look at the returns that they provide most of them out do Krak.
X-cited, you also mention the amount of inside 50's. Surely Matthew Robbins would have had fairly similar opportunities to Krak, he has kicked 29 goals and had a total of 46 scoring shots. Now i would like to think that Krak would wipe is arse with Robbins but you can have as much talent as you like but you still have to use it.
Krak has never player anymore than a total of 1 good qtr in a game. He needs to be more consistant over the whole game. I also agree he isnt the only one.
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Exactly OM21
I never declared that i had more talent or a better engine(wouldnt mind betting that i may have more endurance than him though) but if people can stand up and say that Krak is one of the best small forwards in the league then you have to be kidding yourself.
Look at the list of players i posted.
Sure i look and them and would like to think Krak is better than them, but when you look at the returns that they provide most of them out do Krak.
X-cited, you also mention the amount of inside 50's. Surely Matthew Robbins would have had fairly similar opportunities to Krak, he has kicked 29 goals and had a total of 46 scoring shots. Now i would like to think that Krak would wipe is behind with Robbins but you can have as much talent as you like but you still have to use it.
Krak has never player anymore than a total of 1 good qtr in a game. He needs to be more consistant over the whole game. I also agree he isnt the only one.
see thats where ur wrong, look at the stats , the tigers were way below everyone on inside 50s, even far below th edogs, and krak did spend time on the ball too!
poo its rnd 2 and he is still young and has been a project player. dont worry have faith u wait n c, he will fire and become a valuable player , i dont understand as tiger supprters why u get so hard on players like him and pett, tiv, chaff, hall, gas, fair enough but be patient fellas, dont be to quick to judge these blokes!
u have to remember the 5 years that pett and krak have been around have been under df! judge them after a yr under tw
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here here Bull and Om.
If Krakouer played in a better team he would be one of the best small forwards in the comp. :rollin
If Richo played in a better team he would kick 150 goals a year and take 400 marks a year. :rollin
If Tivendale played in a better team he would be dominating games and finishing off with his deadly left foot. :rollin
That's the problem with us. Always looking for excuses for players underperforming and looking to exterior conditions that would ameliorate the situation.
Players like Krakouer need to take a good harld look at themselves and start training properly. When he does he will become a very good player and not a second before. Those that are just waiting for him to blossom into a great player are kidding themselves. It takes hard work and dedication. I'm still waiting for krakouer to show some off the field.
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i dont understand as tiger supprters why u get so hard on players like him and pett, tiv, chaff, hall, gas, fair enough but be patient fellas, dont be to quick to judge these blokes!
X-cited,
Are you serious or what?
Krak is still young, but for his opporunities he is an underachiever. Not saying he cant change but i dont believe he will.
Pettifer: Is in his 5th season, i know he hasnt had many chances but its only coz of his attitude, maybe Krak will be the same but will Plough have the patience?
Chaff: Is a Dud, was ok a few seasons ok but is finished at the level. Not all that accountable as a tagger and turns the ball over consistantly
Hall: Another no brainer.
Gas: I have been happy with his form this season compared to last, atleast he stood up and took a pay cut. Still needs to improve.
But my point is, especially in the case of Chaffey, Hall and Gaspar How Patient do we have to be? These guys are mature players and shouldnt be given any slack now in regards to giving them a go.
For crying out loud, give me a break!!!!!
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dont think u understood my previous post, we need to get rid of bloke like chaffey , tive, kell, gas etc, tive and chaff esp!
gas, he isnt teh same, its not that he dosnt have the endeavour, its just his disposal and choices he makes, he always takes teh wrong option, gets too nervous under pressure and his handpass is worse than his kick!
kell unfortiunately, no matter how brave he is the game has passed him, too slow and to slow to react!
pett and krak are the ones who need a bit more time, imo chaff and tiv have run out of time,gas and kell nearly out of time!
and btw hall is f ing crap and should have never been drafted or re signed
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That is is...Im going to belt someone. I seriously nearly king hit this guy on the weekend who just slaughtered Gas with abuse. lets get some things straight....
#1 He revolutionized the CHB position in his All-Austrlian year
#2 He will never EEEEEEVER played like that again for a change in our game-plan under TW.
#3 He took a pay-cut....
#4 He still cuts out his man from being effective week in and week out.
#5 He takes more CONTESTED marks in 5 minutes than any other defender does in the whole game
#6 He cant kick. We know this....we should clearly work around it bc he is too much of an asset to waste.
His form has been pleasing (apart from terrible skill errors) but he is taking marks, backing back....doing the things that make this guy a great KPP. We all need to take a breathe before we just dive into this guy. I still lose sleep over this guy and Campbell getting murdered by moronic supporters when we are sucking the #### of over-rated and overpaid ###### like Brown and Bowden.
Ok.....my rant is over. Sorry I kinda lost my head towards the end. My head hurts.
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Today was a prefect summary of where Krakouer's footy is at. Blitzed in the first quarter with his skill and was in everything. That pass to Richo was brilliant. Yet getting stacks of the ball meant he got crunched alot and his body isn't strong enough (yet) to cope with the treatment. After one tackle on Andy by Mitch Hahn he couldn't get up and chase. By quarter time he was out of petrol.
Krakouer's not soft just not physically ready yet to play out 4 quarters of League footy.
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I would like to take full responsibility to Krak's turn around in form this week!!!!!! :P
Today he played a very good game and while he did drop off a little towards the end, as MT said he take a fair bit of contact today.
Right from the start his attack on the ball was brilliant and he lead his opponent to the ball pretty much all day unlike last week.
His roving around the F50 was also pretty good. I dont expect Krak to play a blinder every week but i was very pleased with his efforts today.
His kicking inside 50 today also was very good.
Also had his sixth sense around the ground as someone was about to run his down he would just duck. :thumbsup
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Stuffed up a few times too, but overall a more encouraging effort. Needs to get fit and then we're talking.
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I was rapt with Krakouer's game. At quarter time I thought 'if he puts 3 more of those in, I am getting on OER to give TheBull a right royal serve for calling me a tool last week' (I'm over it, TB :thumbsup)
His game tapered off a little but he stood up well when it got frantic towards the end.
I wish Richo had've handballed to Kraky in the 3rd quarter, when he ended up centering it (skying it?) to Tivas. He would've ran into an open goal. It turned out OK anyway.
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while everyone has been knocking krak i have persisted in saying its only rnd 3 and watch out!
ok he didnt blitz but it wwas a way better effort and his fitness isnt as bad as u all think. its taking him a bit londer to adjust bec df wrapped him in cotton wool, but now that he is adjusting watch out 4 round 4! krak bring it on and i take alot of responsibility 4 this as i am the one who phoned him to let him know what has been going on on this site1 its good having links to the korri connection as i am married to one! now u know why i support him so much bec he has taken time out to spend time with my kids! onya krak
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Good on ya X. :thumbsup
Can you tell him that he will be a very good player if he bulks up a bit and increases his stamina?
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krak bring it on and i take alot of responsibility 4 this as i am the one who phoned him to let him know what has been going on on this site1 its good having links to the korri connection as i am married to one! now u know why i support him so much bec he has taken time out to spend time with my kids! onya krak
Like i said, i take full responsibility for his form change. If it wasnt for me the topic wouldnt have been discussed!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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point taken :-)
btw i am a personal trainer and have discussed his size quite often, pound 4 pound he is very strong and his tackling shows this, we all know he is light but he is a strong kid, he was so tiny and is much bigger than when he did come over and watch him in the next 2 years bulk up more and his fitness will improve over the course of the year, remember though he is a diff body type to a wirrapunda or pickett
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I am interested as to what the Herald Sun calls a "Clanger"?
I have just been studying our stats and Krak had 7 for the day out of the team total of 32.
I am not trying to put a bad light on his game coz i thought he was pretty good but i dont remember seeing him make that many mistakes.
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How much of a stabling influence would Jimmy be on the young Krak?
You'd expect the old man to bring out the best in his son as it seems they have a pretty special relationship.
Was great to see him arrive and leave with his Dad the other week.
I predict this to be the start of Krakouer Magic as we knew it.
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If Pettifer gets tackled with the ball and gets dispossesed at least he tried - or seemed to have tried because he had intensity splashed all over his face to the point of turning red - yet Krak does the same thing and its the cry ropable. Both players end with the same result yet because Pettifer showed strain he'd most likely escape the harsher judgement.
Don't be fooled by Kraks intensity cause its there in oodles which brings me to my point in that i think its Kraks easy going style of play that irks supporters and not his lack of endeavour or footy smarts as some seem to think.
I too have been tempted with the thought of a spell in the twos, if only just to make him aware that his position in team is as valuable to him as it is to anyone else on the list. It worked wonders for someone else who seemed to cop the same treatment around this time last year although I believe there are others in line for the twos before we get talking about Kraks.
anyone?
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Krakouer goes full bore on the field. It's what he does off the field that's really in question.
You can try all you like on the field, if you haven't done the roadwork and strength work, you will be found wanting on the field.
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I would argue that Kayne's copped a heap more mud from supporters than Krakouer ever has since they've come at Tigerland due to Kayne being a first round draft pick. Nearly everyone had Pettifer as a certain delisting until he just saved himself with a couple of decent games towards the end of last year in defence and across HB. If we didn't have so many others also worthy of getting the stuff then Kayne could've still been in trouble. He's lucky Terry had some believe in his football abilities. Still Kayne has got to sustain his form for the whole year to be safe otherwise the young cubs coming through will replace him.
Krakouer showed on the weekend what he is capable off in patches. He still needs to add on more muscle and work on his endurance before he can move up into a higher level of performance and consistency. Obviously has that sublime skill his dad and uncle were famous for.
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Agree with JohnF. Krakour needs to do more on the training track, probably even more than his teamates, coz it seems that he's got a lower stamina base than anyone else. It was evident on Sunday. He was busting his backside, and in the early stages when he had enough in the tank he was dominating. But then the tank emptied and he was found wanting and was caught and tackled quite often.
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Youse guys! Andy's one of the best things to happen to Richmond in a long time and I love watching him do what he does - mistakes 'n all, he's pure excitement on legs. He's copping a lot more attention from the opposition than he used to, that's all. And as the team improves, so will the opportunities for our Andy. Can't wait.
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Would just like to say i love Andy. He has so much ability; vision, skill, cleanest of hands, etc... but am also so dissapointed in his lack of endurance and his inability to produce longer spells of his brilliance. Goes missing for far too long which just isn't good enough for someone of Krakouers ability.
By the way Om21, you know my bro Newman on PRE. You've met him a few times too eh? Gotta disagree with u on your opinion of Bowden. He is easily in our best 5 or so players. Ur underestimating his value and class. Big shame losing Hartigan. He is exactly the player we need at the Tiges. Strong, aggressive, attacking and backs himself running off HB. Love watching him play. Takes on the opposition and plays thru the corridor. Massive loss. We have buckley's chance of beating the Dockers on Sunday. Especially with Johnson out as well, we will get slaughtered in the midfield. They have a very strong list, but who knows.
GO TIGES!!
GO TIGES!!!
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When Bowden was dropped, he bounced back to win a B&F. It could have a similar effect on Krakouer
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Unlike Bowden at that time, Krakouer doesn't deserve to be dropped back to Coburg based on form. Plus it won't help him improve playing in a Coburg side that's getting thumped by over 10 goals each week. In fact that's not preferable for any of our young guys' development there :(.
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Not a day for Andy to get his knockers off his back. Apart from Staff a pitiful display from all our forwards.
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Not a day for Andy to get his knockers off his back. Apart from Staff a pitiful display from all our forwards.
the delivery into th efwd line was pathetic, and as for krak, i am his biggest fan but he just seemed to be somewhere else last night1 he is usually our hardest player under all th epacks and our best tackler , maybe he was ill or not feeling well. if he wasnt then then i belive he should be dropped to coburb for 1 week, just to touch some footy, he seemd to be not even 1/2 at it but a 1/4 at it, many times he had a chance to win his own ball but just stood stagnent! very unlike him
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By the way Om21, you know my bro Newman on PRE. You've met him a few times too eh? Gotta disagree with u on your opinion of Bowden. He is easily in our best 5 or so players. Ur underestimating his value and class.
Yeia xara! Spoke to your bro last night as well......Regarding Bowdo, Sunday was a clear exmaple of why he is our most overated player. His body language is pitiful and I tell you for a guy who was in the running for captain, tells me we are miles away from having a decent leader.
As for Krak.....say what you like but his time is up. Its not the possessions, but more so is inability to do what was special about him and that is harass. He just looks lost out there and I think on Sunday I did not see him under one pack. As our sole crumbing forwrad, we need a lot better and I think within the month he will see some time at the Burgers.
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How can people bag Bowden who was one of our best on Sunday.
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Bowden was back to his best, playing unaccountable football and picking up cheap possesions.
He just roams around the ground and shows no respect for his opponent.
For one of our leaders, he is a disgrace.
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Bowden was back to his best, playing unaccountable football and picking up cheap possesions.
He just roams around the ground and shows no respect for his opponent.
For one of our leaders, he is a disgrace.
i agree and u forgot his sloppy disposal
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Bowden was back to his best, playing unaccountable football and picking up cheap possesions.
He just roams around the ground and shows no respect for his opponent.
For one of our leaders, he is a disgrace.
Thank god someone else can see this.
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All you Bowden bashers refer to my post in the "show faith" thread.
I know Ox and JohnF will support me there. ;D
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All you Bowden bashers refer to my post in the "show faith" thread.
I know Ox and JohnF will support me there. ;D
Harry I think we're fighting a losing cause here. Joel's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he's running and creating then he's not accountable and if he's playing tight then he's giving us no drive. If he kicks long to a contest and it gets turned over it's a clanger, if he kicks it short then he's not following the game plan. At one stage he was the only tiger in a contest with 3 saints, he won the ball and had no team mate run to support...and yes you guessed it, it was all Joel's fault that the saints ended up winning possession.
As you pointed out, everyone loves Chubba....compare his game as loose man to Macguires :banghead :banghead I know whose game I preferred.
I note people say he showed no leadership on Sunday...beg to differ. Watched him go up and have a few words to Deledio when Staff ignored his lead in the pocket. Watched him have a few words to Richo when the big man was clearly getting frustrated. Saw him constantly giving pats on the backside when someone did something good (ok it wasn't that many then) and talking to his team mates at stoppages. Showed a lot more leadership than Brown on this occasion.
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Harry I think we're fighting a losing cause here. Joel's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he's running and creating then he's not accountable and if he's playing tight then he's giving us no drive. If he kicks long to a contest and it gets turned over it's a clanger, if he kicks it short then he's not following the game plan. At one stage he was the only tiger in a contest with 3 saints, he won the ball and had no team mate run to support...and yes you guessed it, it was all Joel's fault that the saints ended up winning possession.
Hmmm I think had a similar conversation on the weekend :rollin ;D
I agree that on most occassions it is a case of damned if he does damned if he doesn't. But on Sunday IMHO it was his choices that were the most disappointing. I am also well aware of what the game plan is fast attacking footy which includes carrying the ball with plenty of running but my arguement is this:
If he has the ball in the oppositions forward 50, and he has 2 choices either kicking it long to centre corridor where he has a teammate in a one on one contest with other teammates running forward or for the 2nd choice it is to chip kick it to a teammate who isn't moving and has 4 opponents around him which is the best option for the team? Thhat scenario happened a few times on Sunday and it frustrates the heck out me - and may I add Joel wasn't the only one who was guilty of it
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we all know andy krak has not been his usual self. i personally am starting to get worried and had a theory or feeling that he wants to be a roo! his father was a legend there and has a role to as a mentoring some of the "brotherhood" there.
i think the tigers should really start considering thinking about a direct trade with the kangas at years end, something tells me since his step father "spud" has gone he no longer feels confortable at the club.
now this is just a theory i have , imnot quoting anyone or saying i have heard a whisper, but i would have thought since jimmy was out of the can and watching him play he would have actually turned up a gear instead he has shifted the gear stick to neutral!
this is from "the age"
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/04/27/1114462102011.html
Kicking on with Krakouer
April 28, 2005
Jimmy Krakouer, flanked by new charges Daniel Wells, left, and Eddie Sansbury, takes a break from bombing in goals from the boundary line.
Photo: Vince Caligiuri
Three young Aboriginal players have welcomed Jimmy Krakouer as their mentor. Karen Lyon reports.
Training at Arden Street is almost complete but Jim Krakouer is still taking shots at goal from the boundary line underneath the fading Harold Henderson Pavilion.
With the former North Melbourne champion are Daniel Wells and Eddie Sansbury. It's all smiles and laughs and goals. Just like in his glory days, when he teamed brilliantly with his younger brother Phil, Jim Krakouer doesn't miss.
"He just slots them through from the boundary line," said Sansbury admiringly. "He just puts them through easy."
It has become a Wednesday morning ritual at the Kangaroos. Krakouer having a kick with Wells, Sansbury and the injured Daniel Motlop, offering a few words of advice and a bit of support before the main training session begins.
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"He just tells me the simple things that everybody else seems to forget to tell you," says Wells. "He says: 'Just go out and have fun, enjoy yourself; if you have a bad game forget about it, there is always next week to redeem yourself.' Just the simple small things."
Krakouer has returned to Arden Street as a mentor for the Roos' talented trio of indigenous players. The move has reconnected him to the game he loved after serving more than eight years' jail in Western Australia for drug trafficking.
He is thrilled to be back, and has already developed a deep bond with Wells, Sansbury and Motlop.
"I love it," Krakouer said yesterday. "Dean (Laidley) and the rest of the Kanga people have all made me feel welcome, and the players, it's been really good."
Krakouer is modest about his role at Arden Street.
"We all get on well and respect one and other, so things have been good. I don't tell them much about footy because they can all play pretty well themselves. I just like watching them play, when I go to the games. I like watching them have good games, with the rest of the Kangas boys."
Motlop believes he has plenty to learn from the Krakouer brothers. He has asked Jim to bring in videos of his games to see their famous magic first hand.
"I asked him today actually: 'Did you actually look for each other?' He said: 'No, Phil just happened to be there,' " Motlop said. "It's the same with me and Wellsy - we don't really look for each, but I know that when he gets the ball, I am going to lead harder because he is going to kick it to me."
It delights Motlop to hear the awe in which North Melbourne people hold Krakouer.
"It's how they speak about him. I haven't heard many people spoken about like that. You get Wayne Carey, about how good he was, and Jimmy, and because he is indigenous too, and I know how much they respect him. That helps me."
Sansbury has found Krakouer a willing and patient listener, a sounding board and reliable confidant.
"I can talk to him about stuff that I wouldn't talk to with anyone else," he said. "Everybody has their differences at the club but there are things I feel I can talk to Jimmy about, just have a little yarn. His advice is always positive."
Former teammate Tim Harrington, now North Melbourne's football manager, said while others got tied up in the ever-growing tactical battles, Krakouer's philosophy had always been to watch the ball and push closer to the contest, despite how small he was.
"When people actually see him at that size they realise he must have been something special," Harrington said. "And the people who saw him play know that he was."
Yesterday morning, tucked in the pocket with Wells and Sansbury, Jim Krakouer looked like he could take to the field on a Saturday afternoon.
"The old legs are not the best now . . . the mind wants to but the body doesn't. The training sessions will do for now."
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I rekkon we should hang on to him and ruin his career.
Im sick of decent players not being stuffed to put in for the Y&B.
His appearance is a joke.
stuff 'EM.
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I rekkon we should hang on to him and ruin his career.
Im sick of decent players not being stuffed to put in for the Y&B.
His appearance is a joke.
eff 'EM.
i understand what u r saying, what is it with players, there is nothing wrong with our club and as soon as there is heat in the kitchen they want out! thats why i cant stand otto and krak just has to get off his lazy arse and have a crack! bloody hell it wasnt spud looking after his development it was the rfc! some players , present and past u can see dont really give a toss! thats why i am happy blumfield has not gone anywhere, as if he gave a poo about the tigers when we picked him up, he should have busted his guts to prove sheedy wrong instead he was a dud and wanted to go back to the bummers!
krak better pull his finger out, we dont want him to be just another otto! had potential and never fullfilled it at the club that made him
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As much as bad decision making is to blame for our last 20years,
dont ignore the fact that we have had the worst luck as well.
Kraks isn't the first to question his future at Punt road and I am clueless as to why this has been an ongoing thing amongst the players (Campbell,Ottens,Zantuck....)
Is it the individuals we have chosen or is it some frikken voodoo on the club.
It's not that hard is it ?
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who the stuff knows
hopefully miller and wallace can change things
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hopefully miller and wallace can change things
Doing a good job.
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Plough said on White Line Fever last night that Krak will blitz it this Sunday and TAMBLING WILL PLAY
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Not interested, unfit, bludger. If we want to get fair dinkum he needs to be dropped.
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I rekkon we should hang on to him and ruin his career.
Im sick of decent players not being stuffed to put in for the Y&B.
His appearance is a joke.
eff 'EM.
I agree with this sentiment, Ox. If we had received some sort of regular return out of him, and the two clubs could get a good trade for him, i'd say go for it. But he hasn't done a thing while he's been at the club IMO. Either we get a great deal for him, or, as you say, ruin his career. We're not a country club where you can come and laze around and do nothing - gotta work Andy, and give us a return on our investment in you.
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Noticed at the Coburg game on Sunday, TW spent quite some time talking to Krak. The conversation looked quite intense....was tempted to move closer and eavesdrop, but my good manners got the better of me :lol :lol
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Plough said on White Line Fever last night that Krak will blitz it this Sunday and TAMBLING WILL PLAY
im glad cos he could be the best small fwd around
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Noticed at the Coburg game on Sunday, TW spent quite some time talking to Krak. The conversation looked quite intense....was tempted to move closer and eavesdrop, but my good manners got the better of me :lol :lol
And because you may have either been a deep discussion about J. Bowden or putting the finishing touches to your petition for one A Gilmour ;D
:rollin
But I agree it looked like a fairly intense conversation ;)
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And because you may have either been a deep discussion about J. Bowden or putting the finishing touches to your petition for one A Gilmour ;D
:rollin quote]
Ah you know me too well WP :lol :lol :lol
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My theory on Krak is for a start he was F******'s project player and we all know how good a mentor DF was now Plough is defending him on a regular basis, saying he didn't think he was that bad last week. What game was he at.?. Against Freo I thought he done alright had his chances and could have kicked 4 if he took them.
The excuse that he's still learning the game is becoming rather mundane he's been at the club for what 3 years and has signed a 3 yr deal for $250k a season, some apprentice. The thing is he's shown in patches he can be a valuable player but just not often enough, we need him playing 100% every week.
I think the fact he is a walk up start for selection is the problem and he knows this he's just not working hard enough with the amount of ball that comes into our forward 50 he should be getting crumbs on a consistant basis it comes down to work ethic. We all know if Richo doesn't take the grab the ball is more often than not going to fall to th front of the contest and thats where he should be, usually he doesn't get to the contest at all.
A wake up call is needed 1 game in the magoo's will probably do the trick as it did with JB he'll get his focus back and get the message that if he wants to play senior footy regularly a higher work rate and conversion is needfed. But unfortunately I don't think this will be even considered untill after Rnd 8 if at all.
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Why is it alright to say that either Richo or Browny had a quiet day, because the ball didn't get down the forward line enough, but not say the same thing about Krak?
We hardly got it inside the forward 50, most marks were taken right on the 50 m line.
Krak does his best work when we go direct thru the middle of the ground to FF----this gives him both sides of his body to work with. And lets face it, we've hardly played any direct footy since Krak started his career.
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And I've gotta say I'm a little disappointed in you X-CITED, calling for Krak to get traded to the Roos. The logic behind it is reasonable, but how burnt would you feel if he blitzed at the Kangas after the work that the rfc has done with him.
You did however make up for it with the Annalise Braakinsek link ;)
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Why is it alright to say that either Richo or Browny had a quiet day, because the ball didn't get down the forward line enough, but not say the same thing about Krak?
We hardly got it inside the forward 50, most marks were taken right on the 50 m line.
Krak does his best work when we go direct thru the middle of the ground to FF----this gives him both sides of his body to work with. And lets face it, we've hardly played any direct footy since Krak started his career.
i aint anti krak, i have his signed jumper!!!! i just fear his heart may be elsewhere now
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Didn't we have roughly the same amount of inside 50's that St.Kilda had?
Obviously the entries wouldn't have been as effective as the Inside 50's St.Kilda had, but the ball was there to be won on many occasions.
Krakouer didn't really get beaten in any contests becuase he was too slow to get to where the ball was.
I want to shoot the clown that gave this lazy player a 3 year contract.
Krakouer should consider himself fortunate that he hasn't been Cupido'ed.
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And I've gotta say I'm a little disappointed in you X-CITED, calling for Krak to get traded to the Roos. The logic behind it is reasonable, but how burnt would you feel if he blitzed at the Kangas after the work that the rfc has done with him.
You did however make up for it with the Annalise Braakinsek link ;)
annalise is my babe!
and re krak, im not calling for him to be traded, i want him to win a brownlow 4 us, i have his jack dyer 17 jumper he played in 2 years go signed!!!
i hope he turns it around 4 us and becomes a champ, what i meant was i just have a gut feeling he would rather be there than here cos of his dad!
but if we cannot come to an agreement maybe we can take annalise out on a date and talk it over with her!!!!lol :rollin
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Krakouer didn't really get beaten in any contests becuase he was too slow to get to where the ball was.
Krakouer should consider himself fortunate that he hasn't been Cupido'ed.
My thoughts exactly JohnF
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Don't know about him possibly pining for the roos but Krakouer does need to add more strings to his bow. When he can't get into the game for whatever reason as a crumber or midfielder he just vanishes and can't contribute in some other way. Having only a handful of possessions wouldn't be a problem if half of them were goals or goal assists say. Last year he had 3 games over the whole season where he didn't pick up 10 or more possies. He already has 3 this year. The other two games against the Dogs and Freo, where Krakouer achieved the levels he needs to make the norm rather than the exception, have probably saved him this week. The match committee might have looked on last week as 1 bad game in 3 weeks.
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Good to see Krakouer play back to back good games. It's just not the 5 goals he kicked on Saturday but he's now at least having a impact and contributing be it in front of goal or at the bottom of a pack where earlier in the year he would vanish completely for large periods of a game.
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Good to see Krakouer play back to back good games. It's just not the 5 goals he kicked on Saturday but he's now at least having a impact and contributing be it in front of goal or at the bottom of a pack where earlier in the year he would vanish completely for large periods of a game.
exactly and the pressure he applied all day was gr8
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Did you see TW go up and congratulate him after the game?
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Good to see Krakouer play back to back good games. It's just not the 5 goals he kicked on Saturday but he's now at least having a impact and contributing be it in front of goal or at the bottom of a pack where earlier in the year he would vanish completely for large periods of a game.
You can usually tell when Kraks going well - it shows in his tackling, the more tackles the better he plays
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When he was interviewed after the match he said that TW had given him a challenge this week and he had risen to it!
TW keep on keeping on...I like your style :bow
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More importantly Sir William realised that there was a problem with Kraks and went about solving it. In previous years, we just let guys in slumps just continue to rot. I commend Sir William for acknowledging the problem and Kraks for turning it around.
Now lets back it up again this week.
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i dont think hes got a big enough engine to be in the midfield, imho hes a forward pocket only...when hes onsong hes brilliant when he's bad he is shocking. As for trading him its way to early...need to see more before end of season to tell!
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i dont think hes got a big enough engine to be in the midfield, imho hes a forward pocket only...when hes onsong hes brilliant when he's bad he is shocking. As for trading him its way to early...need to see more before end of season to tell!
When you're a forward pocket you can look bad even if you played OK - often relates to opportunity as much as anything else. FP can also make players lazy hence the benefit of being part of the midfield rotation.
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Did you see TW go up and congratulate him after the game?
Was that the one near the boundary line as Terry was walking towards the race?
You can usually tell when Kraks going well - it shows in his tackling, the more tackles the better he plays
So true WP. He's had 11 tackles in the past two games.
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Sports Tonight said the AFL may look into a couple of striking incidents. One might be Krakouer coming down on a Melbourne player lying on the ground.
The other was Miller on Bowden's cheek plus Holland already reported for elbowing Gas >:(.
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I didn't see the krakouer incident, it must have been behind play - where he invariably finds himself.
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X get your man Krak on the weights.
I am dead set not writing this thread if AK has been putting in the big ones in the weights room in any of his offseasons. >:(
You only have to look at someone like Davey from the D's to look what can be acheived. He was tiny last year but in 2005 looks much more defined.
Krak was great on the weekend but what a difference it would make if he was a bit stronger. It wouldn't make him any slower or lower his endurance either, because basically he's already slow and he has no motor.
This man got a big contract last year and hes got to earn on and off the field.
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krak maybe small in stature and may seem not to have much muscle tone but he is very very strong 4 his size . he is actually our best tackler . some pll genetically will not develop muscle definition no matter how much they train, one can be very strong yet very small, and krak is of this body type. im happy with his form thus far and against the eagles he showed how gr8 he can be for the club. davey has different qualities and body type to krak, but just because davey is faster , does not mean stronger. krak has got the softest hands in afl, but the ball just seems to stick to his palm like glue. he can hold his tackles and easly breaks tackles. if krak spent too much time with weights to get heavier he will lose much of his evasive qualities and agility which are crucial to his game as he is no athlete but a footballer. look at michael tuck, stick thin figure who played over 400 games and as hard as nails , he was very thin but also very strong. not sure what ppl expect from krak, he is doing what he is required to do under team rules and coaches orders, we cant expect him to kick 5 goals every week and look at his efforts against the eagles, he was our only 4 quarter fighter, he never stopped trying and his efforts imo are what inspired guys like chubba to lift and all the team.
he is quicker than what many think but always looks like he is in slow motion, thats because he is raw silk with raw talents, and makes the impossible look so easy
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There are people that DO weights and can't put on a lot of muscle and there are people who DON'T do weights and can't put on a lot of muscle. I'd bet Krakouer is largely of the latter type. he needs to bust his ass in the gym without doubt.
There is no need for Krakouer to lose flexibility if he puts on lean muscle.
Let's put it this way, had he done some weights he would have held onto that overhead mark that slipped through his arms in the dying minutes of the last quarter and he could have set us up for a win.
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There are people that DO weights and can't put on a lot of muscle and there are people who DON'T do weights and can't put on a lot of muscle. I'd bet Krakouer is largely of the latter type. he needs to bust his ass in the gym without doubt.
There is no need for Krakouer to lose flexibility if he puts on lean muscle.
Let's put it this way, had he done some weights he would have held onto that overhead mark that slipped through his arms in the dying minutes of the last quarter and he could have set us up for a win.
holding onto that mark had nothing to do with muscle!
krak is strong enough, what about all his tackles and spolis, he cant do that without stregnth, he is much smaller than cogs yet still a much better tackler, what about when judd outmuscled cogs and took a contested mark against him, cogs more muscle more bulk , less strenght
im a personal trainer, and and my forte is strength and conditioning, i have seen many a skinny kid have more strength than some muscle heads
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Let's put it this way, had he done some weights he would have held onto that overhead mark that slipped through his arms in the dying minutes of the last quarter and he could have set us up for a win.
If that's the one I'm thinking of where he's leading into open space at CHF about 60-65m out from goal then the pass should have hit Krakouer on his chest; not 7ft up in the air to tip of his fingertips.
Krakouer was good on the weekend. He applied pressure around our forward and HF lines which was something we didn't do the week before against the Demons. As X mentioned he's our best tackler which says alot given only his size. The main problem with Krakouer is still his inconsistency. He needs to back up his good games instead of going missing. We can't afford that now with Browny gone for the season. The same goes for Pettifer.
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There are people that DO weights and can't put on a lot of muscle and there are people who DON'T do weights and can't put on a lot of muscle. I'd bet Krakouer is largely of the latter type. he needs to bust his ass in the gym without doubt.
There is no need for Krakouer to lose flexibility if he puts on lean muscle.
Let's put it this way, had he done some weights he would have held onto that overhead mark that slipped through his arms in the dying minutes of the last quarter and he could have set us up for a win.
holding onto that mark had nothing to do with muscle!
krak is strong enough, what about all his tackles and spolis, he cant do that without stregnth, he is much smaller than cogs yet still a much better tackler, what about when judd outmuscled cogs and took a contested mark against him, cogs more muscle more bulk , less strenght
im a personal trainer, and and my forte is strength and conditioning, i have seen many a skinny kid have more strength than some muscle heads
Krakouer has great tackling TECHNIQUE, that's why he can tackle well. If you think he is that strong then how come he is one of the easiest guys to push off the ball and why can't he take an overhead mark to save his life?
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Let's put it this way, had he done some weights he would have held onto that overhead mark that slipped through his arms in the dying minutes of the last quarter and he could have set us up for a win.
If that's the one I'm thinking of where he's leading into open space at CHF about 60-65m out from goal then the pass should have hit Krakouer on his chest; not 7ft up in the air to tip of his fingertips.
Krakouer was good on the weekend. He applied pressure around our forward and HF lines which was something we didn't do the week before against the Demons. As X mentioned he's our best tackler which says alot given only his size. The main problem with Krakouer is still his inconsistency. He needs to back up his good games instead of going missing. We can't afford that now with Browny gone for the season. The same goes for Pettifer.
The kick was bad but you'd still expect a player to mark it.
Agree he was good on the weekend though.
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There are people that DO weights and can't put on a lot of muscle and there are people who DON'T do weights and can't put on a lot of muscle. I'd bet Krakouer is largely of the latter type. he needs to bust his ass in the gym without doubt.
There is no need for Krakouer to lose flexibility if he puts on lean muscle.
Let's put it this way, had he done some weights he would have held onto that overhead mark that slipped through his arms in the dying minutes of the last quarter and he could have set us up for a win.
holding onto that mark had nothing to do with muscle!
krak is strong enough, what about all his tackles and spolis, he cant do that without stregnth, he is much smaller than cogs yet still a much better tackler, what about when judd outmuscled cogs and took a contested mark against him, cogs more muscle more bulk , less strenght
im a personal trainer, and and my forte is strength and conditioning, i have seen many a skinny kid have more strength than some muscle heads
Krakouer has great tackling TECHNIQUE, that's why he can tackle well. If you think he is that strong then how come he is one of the easiest guys to push off the ball and why can't he take an overhead mark to save his life?
1/ he dosnt get pushed off that easy!!! not sure what ur agenda against him is!!! he is light , yes, weak no! i am a personal trainer and i can see his strengths and weakeness, agaisnt a gut 15kgs heavier of course he will be shoved off the ball!2/ dont know where u get off saying he cant mark over his head. his hands are pretty strong over head but he isnt the tallest bloke in afl!!!!!
i used to value ur comments on here but lately , esp after they way ur bagging krak , not so much!!!!
cant mark over head,gets pushed off the ball. i allways see him under every pack and he is our only fwd who fights hard to keep the ball in and pooh even guys likek j brwon and tredrea get pushed off teh ball at times.
i just sense u have a beef with krak and are after him!!!
we are all entitled to our own opinions, but if u wanna critisice krak, criticise his lack of cardio fitness and endurance, not his strength, critisicise his lack of consistancy not his over head marking!!!
but dont talk cr@p and say he is weak because he is lightly framed and cant mark over head when he can. just because every so often he may drop a mark so waht , how many marks does richo spill after his hands are firmly gripped around the ball, no questions his strength
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the thing u have to remember is that krak is not a kpp , he is a crumming fwd and releiveing midfielder, he has kicked 14 goals thus far, on target to 28 plus goals a yr as a crumming fwd, he will most likely kick 35 plus, thus his job has been done !!!!!!! now that brown is gone he may well have more time close to goals and kck 40plus!!! what else do u expect from this kid
if he kicks his 35+
petts kicks his 35+
then u coukld say quite easily our 2 samll fwds have done their jobbs beautifully
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This is the bottom line X, you shouldn't be trying to rationalise the shortcomings of a lazy player.
I don't have anything personal against Krakouer I just hate his work ethic. I think he can get more out of himself and its always bad to see people not maximise their potential. It mocks the rest of us who would do anything to have his opportunity to play AFL.
Krakouer might go alright for his size but he is capable of being stronger and he should endeavour to be it. His lack of muscle is one of the reasons why he lacks explosiveness and why he is always tackling instead of getting to the ball first.
And about his overhead marking and getting pushed off the ball, these are two other areas he can improve in if he does some gym work. There's really no denying this.
And as for his endurance, yes, that's something that needs working on too.
Consistency will come for him when he does the requisite work: cardio, sprints, weights, the works.
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Krak is a bit of a disappointment to me. Whether he's strong or not, or does the training or not, i expected a better return from him after the time he's been at the club. Maybe I'm expecting him to live up to the deeds of his father, and maybe a bit unfair, but I'm sure that's the reason we secured him in the first place. I saw the tape the Tiger recruiters had at the time they made their judgment on him, and i'm still unsure what they saw in him based on that. Time will tell i guess.
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LETS just hope this wek krak is playing for us 100% and not for the roos, now that spud teh dud his mentor has gone, i wonder where his heart really is that his dad is back and mentoring the boys at arden st
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There’s no doubt that if Krak could develop some consistency in his game that he could be one of our most valuable players.
LETS just hope this wek krak is playing for us 100% and not for the roos, now that spud teh dud his mentor has gone, i wonder where his heart really is that his dad is back and mentoring the boys at arden st
I’m not sure if you’re basing your views on how Krak has performed so far this season X, so sorry if I’ve misunderstood you, but I’m not convinced that Krak’s playing any differently now to any time in the past and how you could think the way he’s playing now means his heart’s somewhere else.
To me, he’s always been the same. Most of the Aboriginal players seem to play with a free spirit, I suppose you could call it. Something I don’t think I’ve ever noticed about Krak, which is unusual for an Aboriginal player.
It’s not an excuse for his work rate, endurance or anything like that, but I think his background might, to some degree, help explain the way he plays, and maybe what you’re talking about X.
I don’t think we should underestimate the impact that added responsibility/pressures and so on can have on a person. And, in his case, it’s probably relevant to consider his background and that he’s had the responsibility of being a father, from a very young age, not to mention the circumstances surrounding his father to deal with, so he’s probably had to grow up quicker than most.
You see young players come in to the game and being allowed to play and enjoy the game, without too much expected of them, and it shows. No doubt, Krak would have been treated the same when he first started, but I don’t know that he’s ever felt that sense of freedom to just play the game and enjoy it, that others have, which would seem different, in many ways, to the way we’ve probably come to expect Aboriginals to play.
Maybe you’ve noticed something different, but from what I can remember, he’s not playing any differently now to any time in the past.
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LETS just hope this wek krak is playing for us 100% and not for the roos, now that spud teh dud his mentor has gone, i wonder where his heart really is that his dad is back and mentoring the boys at arden st
I reckon you looking for somethng that's not there X.
Krakouer is Tiger 150% not a doubt in my mind - if his heart wasn't in it he wouldn't have signed a 3 year contract - he would have said I'm outta here (we had a bloke like that but his name escapes me ;) ;D). Besides I saw his Dad at that game on Saturday
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LETS just hope this wek krak is playing for us 100% and not for the roos, now that spud teh dud his mentor has gone, i wonder where his heart really is that his dad is back and mentoring the boys at arden st
I reckon you looking for somethng that's not there X.
Krakouer is Tiger 150% not a doubt in my mind - if his heart wasn't in it he wouldn't have signed a 3 year contract - he would have said I'm outta here (we had a bloke like that but his name escapes me ;) ;D). Besides I saw his Dad at that game on Saturday
dont take what i said as gospel, i know he is enjoying his time at punt rd, but until this yr, he has had spud their, this yr he just dioes not seem to smile as much, seems to look down alot. thats why i cant wait til bling can play injury free and with gr8 consistancy, its very obvious aboriginal players play more content when they have "brothers" in the team , they have a unique bond. just wanna see krak smile more and look like he is enjoying himself . i hope he stays a tiger 4 life as im a big fan of his and have a few jumpers of his and other things . having an aboriginal wife helps during family days as as soon as he sees us he is more than happy tto talk to my kids and have pics taken! my kids love him big time
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If he wants to go, let him - but i doubt that he does.
And if he does, North will have to come up with a trade. And we can dictate the terms, because I don't think Krak would risk the draft.
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Just to reiterate,
Krak was awsome on the weekend I think it was one of his best games this year. He has been pretty good all year.
He is fantastic at ground level, I would like to see him just trail Richo around the forward line, I think he could kick 40+ goals picking up Richo's crumbs.
However X he does not look like he is putting in at the Gym at all. In saying that X, I respect you're a personal trainer and would be able to gauge whether this is true or not.
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Aiming for improvement
9:08:02 AM Thu 9 June, 2005
Angus Morgan
Exclusive to afl.com.au
While there's a host of Richmond players among the most improved in the competition in 2005, there's one young Tiger who readily concedes he probably should be up there as well.
But Andrew Krakouer is confident his second half of the premiership season will be a vast improvement on the first.
"I've probably been a bit quiet by my own standards, I think. I've had a couple of good games, but then my bad ones have been really bad," Krakouer said in an exclusive interview.
"I'm just trying to get a bit of consistency in my game, and for the rest of the season starting this week, I'm hoping to get a bit more involved.
"I've been in the caper for a few years. This is my fifth year now and I'm looking to take the next step and to contribute more because I had a good pre-season where I didn’t miss a beat."
Stats-wise, Krakouer's numbers after 11 rounds are around 50 per cent of his season's figures for 2004, suggesting he's just about on target to match last year's KPIs.
But it’s the spread that concerns him. Interspersed with efforts like his five-goal haul against Carlton in round seven and solid performances in wins against the Western Bulldogs and Fremantle have been quiet matches in defeats by the Saints and West Coast.
Top of the list of Krakouer's pre-season goals was to narrow the gap between his best and worst, and so far, he hasn’t quite managed to achieve it.
"I need to stay more involved," he said.
"Against the Eagles (last Saturday) when things were not quite happening for the team I sort of drifted out of the game and didn’t get myself involved. I've really got to get myself involved a bit more."
Last season former coach Danny Frawley had Krakouer earmarked for more time in the midfield, but there's far more competition for spots in 2005.
With the Tigers' forward and midfield set-ups to be recast in the light of Nathan Brown's season-ending broken leg however, Krakouer is taking a fresh approach to his personal contribution to Richmond's run to the finals.
"Last year we were lacking a few midfielders, but this year Coggo's back and Shane Tuck has stepped up and you have Kane Johnson and the usual suspects there running around.
"Now with Nathan down, I think my might be needed to play a more prominent role in the forward line. When I'm not needed as a deep forward, I think I've got to get more involved as a "hit-up" half-forward.
"All I've got to do is control the controllables and prepare well for each game and training session, and hopefully if I do everything in my powers the right results will come on match day."
Krakouer said the Tigers, who have a terrible recent record against the Kangaroos, were desperate for a win at Telstra Dome on Sunday. Richmond has won only six of 26 contests between the teams since 1990.
Victory would put the Tigers right back on track for a finals berth - and perhaps a place in the top four - not that Krakouer is keen to mention the 'F' word.
"It's a long-term goal, we don’t like to look to long down the track, but that's what we're here for," Krakouer said.
"We're not playing footy to make up the numbers. We're in it to play finals and that's on our agenda but we've got to take it week by week. As we get closer, that's when we'll start worrying about them a bit more."
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Time out guys - enough of the mud slinging and cyberspace fistycuffs that's not we are about here
I am not asking for a group hug - just settle it down :thumbsup
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X get Krak on the weights.
That's the topic and each to their own opinion - If I want my weener is bigger than yours I can go somewhere else.
Please keep it off here dudes we dont want to degenerate into something that is allready available elsewhere
I stay here mainly cause I like the smooth way it has run so far :thumbsup
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WP has already given one warning to settle down and cut out this mudslinging crap yet it has esculated while we've been away >:(.
We didn't create OER for this childish BS to go on. If you want to carry on like this then contact each other privately. This thread will locked until the offending posts are removed. Similarly the other threads involved will be deleted.
MT.
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Greg Denham at The Australian is at it again.
.... while Richmond is prepared to trade Andrew Krakouer for a suitable exchange.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16679007%255E36035,00.html
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X, say it ain't so!
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lol
hey im in for it if it means we win on the deal. no point in trading krak 4 a no hoper or has been
but, i have mail that the tigers are talking to wce and freo re krak.
adkins from wce may be the man they swap for him, that would be a win 4 us, he is a fast highly skilled on baller thats just cant crack into that wce midfield.
but say they trade krak for medhurst, all he are doing is trading a hot and cold player 4 another
i honestly hope they try a do a deal with freo, gaspar, krak and pick 8 for pavlic. that would be a trade deal of the century
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lol
hey im in for it if it means we win on the deal. no point in trading krak 4 a no hoper or has been
but, i have mail that the tigers are talking to wce and freo re krak.
adkins from wce may be the man they swap for him, that would be a win 4 us, he is a fast highly skilled on baller thats just cant crack into that wce midfield.
but say they trade krak for medhurst, all he are doing is trading a hot and cold player 4 another
i honestly hope they try a do a deal with freo, gaspar, krak and pick 8 for pavlic. that would be a trade deal of the century
Medhurst has alot more hot days than Krak, i'd take that deal anytime
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lol
hey im in for it if it means we win on the deal. no point in trading krak 4 a no hoper or has been
but, i have mail that the tigers are talking to wce and freo re krak.
adkins from wce may be the man they swap for him, that would be a win 4 us, he is a fast highly skilled on baller thats just cant crack into that wce midfield.
but say they trade krak for medhurst, all he are doing is trading a hot and cold player 4 another
i honestly hope they try a do a deal with freo, gaspar, krak and pick 8 for pavlic. that would be a trade deal of the century
Medhurst has alot more hot days than Krak, i'd take that deal anytime
Agreed
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Krak to Freo raises an interesting option...Freo are stupid traders surely they aint that stupid even though i raised the 8 krak & gas prospect for pavlic...more possibly Wallace and Miller may want another top 10 pick. see 1 player I like who never gets mentioned in top 8 picks is Cleve Hughes- who could become a good full forward. Anyway either of these scenarios will see us win out.
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Krak definitely a potential trade win. IMO he is overrated by the footy community.
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though i raised the 8 krak & gas prospect for pavlic...
u sure did, give miller a call, maybe the togers would seriously look at that option
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Freo have Farmer and Medhurst, doubt they will acquire another one, unless they ship Medhurst to somebody.
West Coast have Sampi (who i reckon is overrated) and Matera, but he is 30 and having injury troubles.
Realistically, i'd be hoping for mid 20's pick for him, you won't get higher due to his contract situation (he has 2 years left of contract, good one Tigers trading ANOTHER player and having to pay his contract!)
Some ideas:
Krakeour for McConnell?
Krakeour for Pick 34 (WC)
Krakeour for Adkins, Pick 50?
Krakeour for Pick 26 (Freo)
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Krajouer for Gilmour & P26 more possibly i reckon
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Who's Gilmour? (I am assuming you mean theres one that plays for Freo)
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Daniel Gilmour...could be the defensive player Wallace wants to play on opposition small forwards. Hes about 6'1-6'2, good speed and disposal skills.
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Krakouer's stats over the past 2 years are better than Cole's yet the Pies want a first round pick for Richie. So why shouldn't we play tough as well. We didn't cave with our demands last year so I expect nothing less this time around.
Whatever we think of Andy he's played 42 matches in the last 2 years and kicked 20+ goals in the past 3. So why give him up for just either a late 2nd round pick in a weak draft or for a young kid who hasn't played a game or for a fringe player like Adkins?!
As for Medhurst - he only kicked 27 goals this year so not much better than Krakouer plus Medhurst doesn't chase or tackle.
I have no probs with trading Andy but sheesh let's at least attempt to get a win for us out of the deal.
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Apparantly on SEN the latest rumour is Krakouer for Polak.
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Apparantly on SEN the latest rumour is Krakouer for Polak.
Even if i snorted some coke, i wouldn't see that trade as realistic.
The thing is Krakeour is a FP (least valuable position on ground), who likes to pretend he can play as a midfielder but in reality can only pinch hit there at best, and even then it can be ugly to watch at times.
Polak is a CHB/CHF (One of, if not, the most important areas on the ground) and is quite young.
Even though i think Polak is crap, that trade won't happen.
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Apparantly on SEN the latest rumour is Krakouer for Polak.
Even if i snorted some coke, i wouldn't see that trade as realistic.
The thing is Krakeour is a FP (least valuable position on ground), who likes to pretend he can play as a midfielder but in reality can only pinch hit there at best, and even then it can be ugly to watch at times.
Polak is a CHB/CHF (One of, if not, the most important areas on the ground) and is quite young.
Even though i think Polak is crap, that trade won't happen.
polak imo is not crap, he just is not happy at freo and would be a gr8 pick up if we can get him, i would trade krak for him any time as i know polak can develop into a gr8 chb . freo just are not happy with his behaviour and attitude there so ar elikely to trade him, and the only reason his attitude is poor and form down is because he cant stand the place. nobody works hard in any job if they dont feel comfortable there nor enjoy their work environment
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So do we ignore:
His reported history of excessive clubbing and drinking.
The fact that his originally from WA (go home factor).
That we'd have to give up a lot more then Krakeour to get him.
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About Polak from the Australian and the H-Sun:
Fremantle may also retain key-position player Graham Polak, who is contracted until the end of next year, if Hawthorn's Jonathan Hay chooses the Kangaroos as his next club.
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Hay is on the verge of quitting the Hawks, and it's believed the former All-Australian is leaning towards a fresh start at Arden St.
"At this stage, what has been put to Jon from the Kangaroos has been very impressive," manager Peter Christie said last night.
But Fremantle is super keen on luring Hay home to Perth in a possible trade deal that would see key-position player Graham Polak become a Hawk.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16689331%255E36035,00.html
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,16689845%255E20322,00.html
Doesn't sound like Polak will be a Tiger.
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ok then, lets settle to trade krak for pickett
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krak and gas and pick 8 for pavlic
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Pickett isnt what we need. At best a 12 month option. If we do it then Miller Wallace and Co should resign.
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Pickett isnt what we need. At best a 12 month option. If we do it then Miller Wallace and Co should resign.
pickett has 3-4 yrs in ghim still, and will bring a much needed hardnessa nd toughness to out team esp, our fwd line
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Pickett isnt what we need. At best a 12 month option. If we do it then Miller Wallace and Co should resign.
Agree RT. Pickett is 28 years old - Pass!
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Ready for a Krak at the midfield
By JON RALPH
Herald-Sun
12feb06
FEW Tiger supporters would have begrudged Andrew Krakouer a poor-to-middling 2005 if the turbulence of his changing family dynamics became too much to bear.
The circus surrounding father Jim returning home after 11 years in jail for drug offences -- and Andrew's two children -- could have caused him to lose direction with his football.
Yet last year, in which he held ground rather than forged ahead spectacularly as expected, had nothing to do with Krakouer's off-field life.
Perversely, the Aborigine who left Western Australia in late 2000, has become the picture of domesticity in the past few months.
He and partner Barbara have settled second daughter Tekia, 4, into her first week of school; they have bought property in West Heidelberg and the reintroduction of Jim to the family has been positive with Tekia and older sister Allira, 6, relishing contact with their grandfather.
"I bought the house last year and we are going well and very, very settled," he said.
"This is my sixth season now and I have a house and my own family, so everything is going pretty well.
"The kids get on pretty well with Jim so they have good times. He and my mum, they come around all the time, so it's good."
It is not so much the lineage that continues to heap expectation on Krakouer, but more the glimpses of brilliance that are not yet regular.
The hope is his freakish goalsense, brilliant tackling and defensive pressure and ability to extract the ball where few others can, will combine into one comprehensive package some day.
For Krakouer that day has not yet arrived -- in 20 games last year he cobbled together 23 goals and 11 possessions per game, but he has not yet had the impact in the midfield or up forward that some expect -- perhaps unfairly.
Krakouer conceded he needed to get much fitter before being allowed the licence to roam the midfield, but said he had been reasonably happy with his progress.
"I thought I was good probably half-way through the season, then I had a month that really killed me," he said.
"I didn't kick any goals, and didn't have much of an impact, so that month really killed me and dampened the season. Up until then, I thought I was going OK and that finished the season off really poorly for me."
The flourishing of Kayne Pettifer and early dominance of Nathan Brown meant Richmond had plenty of forward options, but Krakouer is not prepared to use that as an excuse for his inability to score more often.
"I just thought I was struggling a bit, but it wasn't that blokes weren't kicking to me, it was just that I had to be putting myself in the right position, and I am not quite sure what happened," he said.
"It is something I have to work through and talk to people about."
Krakouer has trained almost exclusively with the midfield group this pre-season given his desire to play more as an onballer.
"It would be good for me to get up there, it's pretty hard to stay in a forward pocket and have your whole career there, so I need a few other strings to my bow," he said.
"My fitness levels weren't too good last year and Terry (Wallace) said we have to have fit blokes in the midfield, so that is something I have worked on in the off-season so hopefully I can get a bit more of a run.
"Terry has said he will give me the opportunity. I just need to hold up my end of the bargain and do the right thing."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18116786%255E11088,00.html
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Don't like Krak in the midfield, too inconsistent and therefore might bring down our midfield unit. Besides, Krak is a natural foward and should concentrate getting consistency in his game there before pushing up into the midfield
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If Krakouer is to play regularly in the midfield or more likely spend half the time there and other other half forward, he needs to not only become more consistent but he's also got to win more of the footy. It's good that the defensive side of his game is strong (i.e. tackling) but unless you're getting your hands on the footy at least 15+ times a match then you're not much use to the side in the midfield. There are still too many once in a blue moon cameo games from Krakouer. He is one of our 4-5 year blokes that needs to step-up if we are to do better than last year.
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once krak warms to the role, and is fit enough which he will be , he will be dynamite midfielder 4 us. he is exactly the midfielder we need , he can
a/ get in and under
b/ extract the ball
c/ tackling machine
d/ silky skills
e/ knows how to hits forwards esp richo , lace out ********* very imp
f/ has great agility and vision
g/ hads a footy brain
he could make a complete midfielder/ releaving midfielder/ member of teh midfield rotation ...whatever
cant wait to see him fire this yr
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you left something out X....
slow as a wet week.
and about as much endusance as Greg Stafford.
Delist....next!
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you left something out X....
slow as a wet week.
and about as much endusance as Greg Stafford.
Delist....next!
cogs aint exactly quick,so do we get rid off him
cogs kicks are not the best , so lets get rid of him to
krak has very very quick reflexes and decision making
poo, greg williams, broderick and even in todays footy sam mitchel
give the kid a break, or bette rstill, how about u put on jumper and show us ur better!!!
i would have krak in th eteam b4 cogs anyday, cogs is slow, his disposal by foot very poor, has a perfect hospital pass, and misses easy goal. ok his tough and hard at , so what we should get rid of him also then.
hey, simonds missed many set shots last yr lets get rid of him
hyde is slow also .....gone
hall, has bad decision making skills, turns the ball over alot......gone
kellaway all guts . slow though..........gone
richo still makes many mistakes and misses siters.....................gone
tambling has bad hammys ..........delist/trad gone
the list goes on
how bout we get rid of em all and get 22 blaisee's out there
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If a condition of offering criticism was we needed to be good enough to play AFL footy we would all be stuffed X :shh.
Until Krakouer gets his hands on the footy consistently week in week out without any longterm disappearing acts he'll always come under criticism. Cogs and others mentioned have their flaws too but they are typically always in the game.
ps. Hyde is fairly quick nowdays ;).
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There's really only one word that will make or break Krakour and that word is FITNESS.
If he's got it, he'll be fantastic. If he hasn't got it he will be patchy at best, doing some good to great things some of the time and going missing in others.
Those that have seen alot of training this pre season would have a greater appreciation of his current fitness base in comparison to what is required, maybe they can shed some light on how they think he will go this year. MT?
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Those that have seen alot of training this pre season would have a greater appreciation of his current fitness base in comparison to what is required, maybe they can shed some light on how they think he will go this year. MT?
A check would be to know if his times for the various standard runs (the tan, 200m ,400m, etc) have improved over previous years efforts to see if he's improved his endurance to be able to play midfield.
But just going on his form at training I wouldn't say he's more or less fit than the others. Mind you the boys are looking superfit. From the intra-club match I thought he did well in the midfield and had improved in that area although not to the degree say a Hyde or Rodan did last year in terms of coming on. This might be being a bit harsh but I still expected him to be more influential like Rodan was. The difficult thing about judging intra-club games is we're competing against Richmond ;D and also Krakouer is the kind of player that looks like his cruising most of the time. I personally would still have a question mark over him in the midfield until I see him step-up against true opposition. The pre-season games will really be our first chance to see if he can.
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If a condition of offering criticism was we needed to be good enough to play AFL footy we would all be stuffed X :shh.
Until Krakouer gets his hands on the footy consistently week in week out without any longterm disappearing acts he'll always come under criticism. Cogs and others mentioned have their flaws too but they are typically always in the game.
ps. Hyde is fairly quick nowdays ;).
i know mt, was just trying to put my point across, with krak, he hasnt had sufficien5t time onball to prove himself, once his fitness came good(remember v the swans and bombers) he was a standout onballer in those games. then he was put in the fp again to freeze and not get involved.
we will see a different krak this yr
btw im a big hyde fan, i am confident he will also keep on getting better and kicking butt
cogs, his disposal and consistency of his disposal worry me
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you left something out X....
slow as a wet week.
and about as much endusance as Greg Stafford.
Delist....next!
cogs aint exactly quick,so do we get rid off him
cogs kicks are not the best , so lets get rid of him to
krak has very very quick reflexes and decision making
poo, greg williams, broderick and even in todays footy sam mitchel
give the kid a break, or bette rstill, how about u put on jumper and show us ur better!!!
i would have krak in th eteam b4 cogs anyday, cogs is slow, his disposal by foot very poor, has a perfect hospital pass, and misses easy goal. ok his tough and hard at , so what we should get rid of him also then.
hey, simonds missed many set shots last yr lets get rid of him
hyde is slow also .....gone
hall, has bad decision making skills, turns the ball over alot......gone
kellaway all guts . slow though..........gone
richo still makes many mistakes and misses siters.....................gone
tambling has bad hammys ..........delist/trad gone
the list goes on
how bout we get rid of em all and get 22 blaisee's out there
X,
the reason why Kark only gets 5-10 minutes on the ball a quarter is because that is all he can handle. He can't run because he is unfit, and has not put in the work to play on-ball. Plough has stated that 1 of our weaknesses last year was our inability to have enough players with the endurance and ability to run through the middle, so krak was given every opportunity, and basically wasn't up to it.
I find it amusing that some ill-informed fans, like yourself get offended personally when some home-truths are exposed about our players. Well you need to get over it!
And finally, mate, if you think that Krak, is a better footballer than Mark Coughlan well......there really is no need to continue this conversation. :help
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i think his point was in reference to you mentioning kraks is slow so he should be delisted.
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i think his point was in reference to you mentioning kraks is slow so he should be delisted.
when krak had his fitness up , he wa our best player v the swans and the dons, so dont tell me he cant last in the midfield, his problem isnt fitness, his problem is conditioning . why isnt jhe conditioned 4 the role, cos he , up til now hasnt trained 4 that role.!!!!!!!!
and btw, krak is a better kick than cogs, better handball than cogs, as tacklers they are equal, krak is a better decision maker than cogs. the only thing that ciogs has over krak is fitness, kraks fitness will come, and he isnt injury prone as cogs is. krak is the best footy brain we have.
and yes i rate him higher than cogs, all cogs has is a higher profile.
personally if i were coach, every time cogs kicked a floating hospital pass i would drag him, he has a shocking field kick and his goal kicking is getting worse
and btw
krak has teh ability and silky class to be a matchwinner, cogs dosnt, he may be a workhorse like sugar, but isnt a matchwinner like brown. krak is very imp to our team , guys with his raw talent dont come easy
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i think his point was in reference to you mentioning kraks is slow so he should be delisted.
thanku, at least ur on the ball
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2 things that worry me about Krak is his fitness (which I know he is working on) and this quote
"I just thought I was struggling a bit, but it wasn't that blokes weren't kicking to me, it was just that I had to be putting myself in the right position, and I am not quite sure what happened," The last part of this quote suggests to me that his mental toughness really needs work. As soon as he gets puffed, he stops thinking about the game and zones out. You can't have a midfielder go missing mentally during any part of the game.
Maybe if his fitness improves then this int turn may have an effect on his mental toughness also.
Krakouer is not in the same class as Coughlan. Sorry X, you're way of the mark there. Cogs came of a lengthy bout of OP and only hit his straps later in the season. Krakouer has been virtually injury free. Cogs has been far more influential in many more games than Krakouer. I would prefer to have someone in my team who can rack up 30+ posessions week in week out with a 15% error rate than someone with 9 posessions and a 1% error rate.
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Krakouer is not in the same class as Coughlan. Sorry X, you're way of the mark there. Cogs came of a lengthy bout of OP and only hit his straps later in the season. Krakouer has been virtually injury free. Cogs has been far more influential in many more games than Krakouer. I would prefer to have someone in my team who can rack up 30+ posessions week in week out with a 15% error rate than someone with 9 posessions and a 1% error rate.
u see thats where we disagree, cogs yes had his issues, but his kicking technique needs much more improvement. he cannot stab pass, his kicks travel through the air very slowly as they seem to float and have to much air. his game v the blues where he had 40 touches, over half were ineffective. yes he can get the ball , an is a ball magnet, i never said he was a crap player just said his skills are no where near as good as kraks!!!! and that is fact. once krak gets his fitness up, which he will , he will show the world how good he is.
we should have traded cogs while his rep was hot cos i can see the future and i hope im wrong but i dont see his ability improving, he will turn out to be a tougher version of tivendale. maybe im too harsh, but only if he could kick the ball to his teammates lace out and not float his kicks.
stats show he is a better player than krak yes, but cogs is no where near krak when it comes to ball handling skills by foot and hand! and anybody who thinks cogs is more skillfull than krak is wrong
i rate hyde as a better exponent of the kick, stab pass etc than cogs. hyde with time will overtake cogs as he knows how to kick the ball from A to B with better speed and precision, no floaters from hyde
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lets hope cogs bad kicking is due to his pubic instability , and he can fix his probelms, if not, we have no room on our list for guys that cannot deliver the ball properly, we carried duncan kelleway 4 way too long and gaspar also, the same goes with chaffey , another dud who cant hit targets. tivendale has to go also, he used to be able to hit targets but has lost the plot
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You've got to have the ball to use it skillfully. I have never questioned Kraks skills. They are very good. From his own admission He's got to learn to read the game better to get himself into position to receive the ball more. Cogs reads the game beautifully and far better than Krak IMO which is a key requirement to ber a midfielder. I wonder how many opposition coaches have said to a player "get on Krakouer and stick to him like glue!" Not many times I bet. Coghlan however would be regularly on the receiving end of heavy tagging. A true sign of an influential player. I wonder if Krak would be able to handle this sort of pressure week in week out.
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You've got to have the ball to use it skillfully. I have never questioned Kraks skills. They are very good. From his own admission He's got to learn to read the game better to get himself into position to receive the ball more. Cogs reads the game beautifully and far better than Krak IMO which is a key requirement to ber a midfielder. I wonder how many opposition coaches have said to a player "get on Krakouer and stick to him like glue!" Not many times I bet. Coghlan however would be regularly on the receiving end of heavy tagging. A true sign of an influential player. I wonder if Krak would be able to handle this sort of pressure week in week out.
yes cogs does read teh play very well, thats so true, but he also has had more experience in the midfield. kraks skills are rare and raw, give him time to adjust to the misfield so he can learn to read teh play better . one gr8 thing about krak is he knows his weaknesses and is willing to work on them
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You've got to have the ball to use it skillfully. I have never questioned Kraks skills. They are very good. From his own admission He's got to learn to read the game better to get himself into position to receive the ball more. Cogs reads the game beautifully and far better than Krak IMO which is a key requirement to ber a midfielder. I wonder how many opposition coaches have said to a player "get on Krakouer and stick to him like glue!" Not many times I bet. Coghlan however would be regularly on the receiving end of heavy tagging. A true sign of an influential player. I wonder if Krak would be able to handle this sort of pressure week in week out.
Agree tiga.
I hope you're right X about Krak and yes his skills particularly by foot are better than Cogs but to date you can't argue that Krakouer has had more impact than Cogs bar a once in a blue moon cameo performance in front of goal:
20 or more disposals in 2005 - Cogs 15 from 22; Krak 1 from 20
10 or less disposals in 2005 - Cogs 1 from 22; Krak 10 from 20 and in those 10 he never kicked more than one goal.
Cogs also does the hard inside work week in week out. I agree he is a workhorse but more importantly he's consistent and we can rely on him week in week out. With Krak that hasn't been the case and until he does become consistent he'll never be judged a better footballer than Cogs IMHO.
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In 76 games over 5 seasons, Krakouer has kicked 77 goals. As a small inside forward he has won 50% of his possessions in a contest with an average of four ground-ball gets per game. This strength makes him dangerous at the stoppages, particularly inside 50. Since the start of 2003, Krakouer has cleared 52 stoppages in the forward 50 - 14 more than any other player in the competition. As a result, Richmond has scored a goal from Krakouer clearences 39 times - ranked No 1 at the club. His work whilst not in possession is also a feature of his game. Across his career, he has averaged three tackles per game and four in the last 2 seasons. His 32 tackles in the forward 50 last season was the most in the competition and his nine frees for holding-the-ball was the equal most in the competition. His kicking can let him down and he has a career efficiency of 76%, hitting a career-low 74% in 2005, including 17 clanger kicks.
Source: Champion Data AFL Prospectus 2006
Just looking at that data there I'd say that Kraks is probably a pretty good asset to have at our club.
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Krak needs to get some consistency into his game before thinking of heading into the midfield IMO
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Krak needs to get some consistency into his game before thinking of heading into the midfield IMO
its hard the gain fitness and be more consistant in the fwd pocket
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In 76 games over 5 seasons, Krakouer has kicked 77 goals. As a small inside forward he has won 50% of his possessions in a contest with an average of four ground-ball gets per game. This strength makes him dangerous at the stoppages, particularly inside 50. Since the start of 2003, Krakouer has cleared 52 stoppages in the forward 50 - 14 more than any other player in the competition. As a result, Richmond has scored a goal from Krakouer clearences 39 times - ranked No 1 at the club. His work whilst not in possession is also a feature of his game. Across his career, he has averaged three tackles per game and four in the last 2 seasons. His 32 tackles in the forward 50 last season was the most in the competition and his nine frees for holding-the-ball was the equal most in the competition. His kicking can let him down and he has a career efficiency of 76%, hitting a career-low 74% in 2005, including 17 clanger kicks.
Source: Champion Data AFL Prospectus 2006
Just looking at that data there I'd say that Kraks is probably a pretty good asset to have at our club.
He should this year be aiming to reach at least 30 goals for the year and average 15 possessions per game. Combine that with most of those attributes above and he'll then become a vital component to the side.
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Kraks just needs all the Spudisms from previous years out of his system. Take out an AVO against Danny Frawley so he doesn't get anywhere near Kraks.
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Injury? ???
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Injury? ???
Nope - structure I believe
The tigers heard that Keating was probalby going to miss so we bought in Stafford
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Injury? ???
Nope - structure I believe
The tigers heard that Keating was probalby going to miss so we bought in Stafford
Thanks WP :thumbsup.
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This is not meant to single him out as most had shockers and games worse than him but how many times does Krak run over the ball and fail to pick it up cleanly?! :scream. Geez it's frustrating as it happened about six times in the first half in contests while at other times he pulls off a brilliant pick-up. If he had grabbed each missed chance cleanly he would had been away for at least two goals at the Lockett end in the second quarter.
And Krak also has got to learn when he takes a mark not to take side steps as he walks back. The umps calls play-on as he's moved off the mark and he's forced to kick under pressure.
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Another thing I noticed is that Krak seems to get the balls stripped from him many times. The stronger guys in the middle just kill him.
For this reason alone I think he would be better off in the pocket or just following Richo around ( as best he could ).
He wasn't the worst yesterday but he was nowhere near as good as the TV guys were giving him credit for either.
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I actually thought Krak was good yesterday, especially when he was in the centre. Gave us a bit of spark there and at least put some pressure on the Swans in the middle. When he went off in the 2nd after copping a knock we certainly lost a bit out of the middle.
It's just unfortunate that he cannot have a sustain presence in our mid-field because the fitness capaicity isn't there
When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was about his quick hands, the deft knock ons etc oops ;D :rollin
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When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was about his quick hands, the deft knock ons etc oops ;D :rollin
;D :nope
His hands were often too quick for the ball lol ;) and as he didn't have full control of the footy he left the footy behind or lost possession too easily as soon as he got bumped.
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Maybe he needs to chalk his hands like gymnasts.
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Krakour needs to chalk his hands like the weight lifters and start start lifting barbells. He is weak as pisz.
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Krakouer finds form after sluggish start
Samantha Lane
The Age
June 18, 2006
THREE weeks into this season, Andrew Krakouer found himself in a place that Danny Frawley apparently had been reluctant to send him — the twos.
The Tiger forward's output in Richmond's first two matches, both losses, was below par. So when Frawley might have once shown patience, his successor as coach, Terry Wallace, ordered a demotion. It was the first time it had happened to Krakouer in three years.
"Because Danny had a bit of family history with me, he played a bit with Dad (Jim), I think that's the main reason why it was a bit different — he sort of took me under his wing a bit more," Krakouer, an 84-gamer in his sixth season, said before today's match in Launceston.
"But now I've been in the system for a fair while, and so I know how it goes and it's sort of more of a player-coach relationship (with Wallace)."
Since a beginning he now describes as "a bit sluggish", Krakouer has played six matches he has adjudged OK. He has made himself more than a flash-in-the-pan small forward. His on-field work-rate has been as much a feature of this season as his uncanny knack for jagging a goal. Krakouer's three best games for the year have come when he lent a hand in the midfield.
"I'm not an elite runner like Mark Coughlan and Shane Tuck and Kane Johnson, but I just think if I have maybe seven, or even 10 to 12 minutes, or even a bit longer per quarter in there — just rotation off the bench or sort of deep forward — I think I can contribute more to the team. That's something I'm hoping to do in the next 11 weeks," he said.
"I'm pretty confident within myself, I know I can play the game and things like that … the ball's in my court with what I do with it. I've just got to show that I'm capable of a challenge and just gotta show them what I can do."
The 23-year-old hopes to improve in that area, and has midfielder/forward Nathan Brown as a model. "I won't outsprint a lot of backmen, so I've got to try and second step or double lead and things like that. I'm not overly quick to get out of the blocks on the lead and things like that. It's more around stoppages and things like that where I try to lose my opponent."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/06/17/1149964788360.html
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honest article on a whole number of fronts
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Good to see he is one AFL player who hasnt got ahead of himself,not like a few others who we wont mention ;)
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"Because Danny had a bit of family history with me, he played a bit with Dad (Jim), I think that's the main reason why it was a bit different — he sort of took me under his wing a bit more," Krakouer, an 84-gamer in his sixth season, said before today's match in Launceston.
Danny had his favorites no doubt and by taking them under his wing he stunted their growth.
LMAO LOSER
"But now I've been in the system for a fair while, and so I know how it goes and it's sort of more of a player-coach relationship (with Wallace)."
Which is how it should be.
Take note Spud,even Andy says you didn't do things the right way :wallywink
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Not sure how Rainesy missed out with his long bomb on the run ??? but Krak needs your vote to get goal of the week for his, in Ox's words, Bartlettesque crumbing goal.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=toyota&spg=goty
Expert panel votes for Toyota Goal of the Year - Round 20
Brendon Goddard 48%
Andrew Krakouer 27%
Aaron Davey 25%
Public vote:
Brendon Goddard 54%
Andrew Krakouer 25%
Aaron Davey 22%
Total Votes:: 341
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I thought Rainsey would get it for sure, but oh well. At least a tiger got a nomination :P
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goddards torp was pure giold, best kick i have seen in ages, travelled easy 75 metres
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goddards torp was pure giold, best kick i have seen in ages, travelled easy 75 metres
You had me there X - for a moment I'm sure saw the words Goddard's a twirp ;D
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goddards torp was pure giold, best kick i have seen in ages, travelled easy 75 metres
You had me there X - for a moment I'm sure saw the words Goddard's a twirp ;D
:rollin
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From the Herald-Sun:
Andrew Krakouer is struggling to be fit for today's game with an ankle injury, but even if he was a late withdrawal, Wallace said Kellaway was no certainty for a call-up for a possible farewell.
"He's got through training sessions, (but I don't know) whether he's been able to get to full-steam training," Wallace said. "I don't know whether he would be putting his hand up to play if there was a change or whether he won't until I speak to the medical staff."
Wallace said Krakouer would be given every chance to prove his fitness for today's game.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20331394%255E19742,00.html
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Tiger star probe
SCOT PALMER and NICK TAYLOR
December 24, 2006 12:00am
Sunday Herald Sun
DETECTIVES were last night trying to interview Richmond football star Andrew Krakouer after a bashing in Fremantle.
Justin Martin, 24, was serious but stable in hospital, with head injuries.
Krakouer is one of two men police want to speak to about the incident, which happened about midnight on Friday. It is understood the other man is his brother.
Police said three or four men were involved in the incident, which began in Mews Rd, Fremantle, before spilling into a car park in Marine Tce.
Mr Martin was taken to Fremantle Hospital before being transferred to Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital.
Sgt Graham Clifford said: "Police have visited a number of locations and spoken to a number of people.
"We have been unable to locate the two men we wish to speak with.
"Inquiries are continuing."
Krakouer, 23, who has two young daughters, is thought to be in Western Australia for a few days with his Perth-born wife for Christmas.
Richmond officials have been told police want to talk to the rover.
Krakouer has spoken by telephone to Tiger football director Greg Miller, who said last night he was trying to obtain more details.
Mr Miller said members of two families might have been in dispute.
Krakouer was drafted to the Tigers from South Fremantle in 2000 and made his debut the following year.
He is the son of former North Melbourne champion Jimmy Krakouer and the nephew of Phil.
Jimmy Krakouer served nine years of a 16-year sentence for trafficking amphetamines.
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20970117-661,00.html
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So much for having a incident-free RFC preseason :-\.
Anyway there's no proper details or direct involvement proved as yet so we'll have to wait and see. That hasn't stopped idiots on BF's main board making "like father, like son" and alike remarks ::).
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Go to the cops, Andrew, and clear your name.
Hope the boy in hospital is okay.
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That hasn't stopped idiots on BF's main board making "like father, like son" and alike remarks ::).
There is a lot of idiots in this world - Just not worth worrying about.
Can't say I am to upset about BF being banned at work.
As for the media ::)
Krak seems like a pretty quiet sort of guy and the footballers do get hassled by idiots a lot - Who knows what happened - leave it at that atm :santa
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For such a story things are quiet. No talk about it on Sports Today on 3aw or any mentions on hourly news. As Moi said Andy just needs to go to the police and clear his name.
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Just on SEN, Krak has been charged with assault.
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Tigers' Krakouer up on assault charge
abc.net.au
Sunday, December 24, 2006. 4:21pm
Richmond's Andrew Krakouer has been charged with assault, the club has confirmed.
Krakouer was charged by Fremantle police this morning following an incident in Fremantle on Friday evening.
The club says he has been fully co-operating with police and is likely to appear in court late next week.
Krakouer will be defending the charge.
Richmond said neither they nor Krakouer would be making any further comment on the matter at this stage.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200612/s1818012.htm
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Good luck, Andy - sounds like you'll need it :banghead
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Now, I've hardly ever seen a bad photo of Andrew, but the one used in this one would have to be his worst, and makes him out to be a rough-looking character. Interesting choice by Sportal ::) Were they trying to portray something?
http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=92728
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Like I said who knows what happened, but more than likely some smart mouth has copped what they deserved and then gone crying to mummy after the fact ::). Probably got away with it a million times before and fate finally caught up :santa
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He'll be sweet i rekkon.
People only cop a whack if they ask for it.
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"People only cop a whack if they ask for it."
That's a joke - right?
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Now, I've hardly ever seen a bad photo of Andrew, but the one used in this one would have to be his worst, and makes him out to be a rough-looking character. Interesting choice by Sportal ::) Were they trying to portray something?
http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=92728
Looks like they've blown up a smaller pic. Makes Krak look 10 years older.
As CUB said we don't know the whole facts so Krak is innocent until proven guilty by the courts. Assault can vary wildly from totally laying into someone to a shove. They say 4 people were involved so who knows who did what. From afar it doesn't sound good though with the guy in hospital. Interesting how the club handles this if Krak is found innocent. A guilty verdict would obviously finish his career. Anyway we'll find out next week :-\.
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Krakouer charged with assault
December 25, 2006 12:00
AAP
RICHMOND AFL footballer Andrew Krakouer has been charged with assault after an incident in Western Australia.
The 23-year-old was charged on Sunday by police with assault causing grievous bodily harm, over an incident in Fremantle - Perth's port suburb - on Friday night.
Justin Martin, 24, sustained head injuries in the incident and was in Perth's Charles Gairdner Hospital hospital in a serious but stable condition.
Krakouer was believed to be in Perth to celebrate Christmas with family members. Police said they were also making inquiries in regard to a second man, not an AFL footballer, who is alleged to have been involved in the attack.
The Tigers said in a statement that Krakouer had been co-operating fully with police and would defend himself against the charge. He is due to face court in Fremantle on Thursday.
http://www.news.com.au/sundaytelegraph/story/0,22049,20971467-5001023,00.html
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Tigers' Krakouer charged with GBH
abc.net.au
Sunday, December 24, 2006. 6:28pm (AEDT)
Police have also charged a 21-year-old man, believed to be Krakouer's brother, with grievous bodily harm over the incident.
The man sustained head injuries and is in a serious but stable condition in hospital.
The alleged assault took place in two locations with police describing it as a sustained, brutal attack.
"There are no city cameras at that location but we are calling on people who may have, perhaps, used mobile phones to record the incident, or any persons that were and have noticed the incident," Fremantle police Detective Sergeant Anthony Thompson said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200612/s1818012.htm
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2nd story in on the ABC news over here tonight
not much else to add apart from mention the "victim" was interviewed after regaining consciousness
vision showed Krak kicking plenty of goals, but it maybe a nervous few days for him over christmas
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Now, I've hardly ever seen a bad photo of Andrew, but the one used in this one would have to be his worst, and makes him out to be a rough-looking character. Interesting choice by Sportal ::) Were they trying to portray something?
http://www.sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=92728
That photo is a disgrace. Image manipulation at it's finest. stuff you Spurthole!
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From the West Australian:
A fight had apparently broken out about midnight on Friday at The Esplanade park on Marine Tce in Fremantle, Inspector George Putland, of police communications, said.
“The men were both known to each other,” Insp. Putland said.
"A heated argument occurred between the two, which escalated into a brawl.
“That went across the park and into a car park. Members of the public pulled the people apart.”
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,20971431-2761,00.html
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well well well
1st of all merry xmas to you all. i just got back xmas eve from O.S and had no idea what has been going on in oz and yesterday at a family xmas do i was told krak is in strife!
well what have got to say about my boy krak.
everyone knows krak is not a firey agressive person, is is often referred to most as soft as butter. for andrew to allegedly beat this guy up, the tool obv deserved it. from what i gather , the 2 knew each other and its all part of a family tiff, but lets be honest, krak is a shy boy without a mean streak in him, and these bast ard journos putting those mug shots in the paper are pathetic.
what do we know thus far, well we know if krak was a collingwood player he would get off real lightly, but being a tiger and an aboriginal in perth , who teh f knows, one this i do know is the legal/court system in WA are full of red necks and love to shove it up the indiginous groups. for example, jimy served 9 yrs of a 16 yr sentence for transporting amphetimines, well he was just the truck driver, the rich prick dealer who was paying jimmy only served iirc 1 year out of a 3 yr sentice! so why does the top dog drug dealer get 1 yr, and the truck driver 9, well jimmy is black, the dealer was white...thats WA!
lets hope andy , just like tarrant and johnson from the skunks gets off lightly and lets hope andy can bring some of this aggression on on the park and start intimidating teams like his dad used too.
andy, if its true you and ur bro were sticking up 4 your family and caved this guys head in good on you. if this is a personal and family issue it should noty even go to court, bloody hell, as i said for andy to crack it the way he did, the pr1ck must have deserved it!
anyway, i have to catch up on all the threads to see who the hell we picked up in the drafts.
i came bacl early fropm italy and the last thing i expected to read about was krak arrested for GBH
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I'm a little anxious about this, both for Krak, and the club.
For me, the best case scenario is that Krak acted in self-defence of either himself or his brother. The next best is that his brother is the one who landed the most damaging blows, and that Krak was only involved on the periphery. If not, then I hope it was a 50/50 sort of thing which the victim sort of initiated.
Whether the victim "deserved it" or not, if Krak was the primary party, and did not act in self-defense, then he will almost certainly serve time in jail, if a jury were to convict him (he may be "guilty", but still may not be found guilty by a jury). That would be very sad indeed. For many reasons, I hope the victim makes a good recovery.
I also don't support people taking the law into their own hands, if that is what has happened.
Therefore, I await the full evidence. It may take a long time.
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The concern for the Club is this could drag out all year which will be a distraction as well as bad press. I'm guessing Thursday will be just be an initial hearing and if the judge believes there's enough evidence for a trail then they'll all be summonded to reappear in court next year sometime which could be 6 months or more from now given our backlogged court system.
I also don't support people taking the law into their own hands, if that is what has happened.
Agree GB. Nothing to do with Krak's situation but there's a difference between self-defence and vigilante justice. The courts don't look favourably on the latter.
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Why cant people walk away from trouble, Oh Dear ::)
If i was on $300,000 plus a year, I would walk away from anything, cop abuse on the chin etc etc etc
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The concern for the Club is this could drag out all year which will be a distraction as well as bad press. I'm guessing Thursday will be just be an initial hearing and if the judge believes there's enough evidence for a trail then they'll all be summonded to reappear in court next year sometime which could be 6 months or more from now given our backlogged court system.
Absolutely.
The club is flying at the moment and everything was positive before this incident, however this is a PR nightmare.
Krak's reported behaviour can unravel a lot of good work and the club must be privately furious with this. >:(
Andrew Krakouer represents the Richmond Football club off the park as well as on.
Fighting & violence is for fools and there is rarely a winner. He should have known better.
Very irresponsible by Andrew whatever the outcome. :P
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Krakouer brothers face court on GBH charges
abc.net.au
Thursday, December 28, 2006. 2:15pm AEDT
AFL footballer Andrew Krakouer has appeared in a Perth court over an alleged assault last week.
The 23-year-old Richmond player, and his young brother Tyrone, are each charged with causing grievous bodily harm following an attack on another man in Fremantle just days before Christmas.
At the time police alleged the attack was sustained and brutal, leaving the victim in hospital with serious head injuries.
Andrew Krakouer's lawyer John Prior told the court his client was likely to plead not guilty to the charge. His brother is also expected to plead not guilty.
The case has been adjourned until next week.
Security had to be stepped up outside the court after more than a dozen angry members of the victim's family waited outside for the charged pair to leave.
The victim's grandmother told the waiting media the family was looking for payback.
Krakouer and his brother eventually left through a rear exit with a police escort.
Andrew Krakouer is the son of Jim Krakouer, who starred with his brother Phil in the North Melbourne team of the 1980s.
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200612/s1818914.htm
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AFL star to plead not guilty to assault
December 28, 2006 01:47pm
AAP
RICHMOND AFL star Andrew Krakouer is likely to plead not guilty to a charge of assault causing grievous bodily harm, his lawyer told a Perth court today.
Krakouer today appeared in Fremantle Magistrates Court with his brother Tyrone Krakouer, 21, also charged with assault causing grievous bodily harm.
Andrew Krakouer, 23, was charged over an incident in Fremantle, on Friday night.
Justin Robin Martin, 24, sustained head injuries in the incident and is in Perth's Charles Gairdner Hospital in a serious but stable condition.
Andrew Krakouer's lawyer John Prior told the court his client "was likely to enter a plea of not guilty".
His brother's lawyer indicated Tyrone Krakouer was also likely to plead not guilty.
Mr Prior asked for Andrew Krakouer's next court appearance to be on January 4 because of his footballing duties.
"My client Andrew Krakouer is a professional footballer who plays for Richmond and he's due to return to Melbourne now," Mr Prior told the court.
The two brothers will appear in Fremantle Magistrates Court for a committal mentioning on January 4.
Andrew Krakouer was granted bail with $10,000 surety and an order not to approach Mr Martin.
Outside the court more than 20 family and friends of Mr Martin had come "to see justice done".
Mr Martin's grandmother Theresa Walley said her grandson was still in intensive care in hospital.
Mr Martin's mother, Sheryl Martin, briefly arrived to join the crowd and broke down in tears to be comforted by relatives.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20981740-5005961,00.html
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This is not getting any better for Andrew
Lynch mobs outside court :banghead
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Hi everyone, I hope you all had a great christmas day, well well well, Ive come back to this brothel of a situation with Mr Krakouer. Just listening to ABC radio, i think its fair to say that reading between the lines of the commentary...if you know what I mean, this is a very very serious situation for all. For mine, its simple, if hes found not guilty he stays, if he gets found guilty he gets the sack. We should all wait and see the outcome however and be fair to everyone.
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"My client Andrew Krakouer is a professional footballer who plays for Richmond and he's due to return to Melbourne now," Mr Prior told the court.
The two brothers will appear in Fremantle Magistrates Court for a committal mentioning on January 4.
Yep this case will be dragged out :-\
The media will also have a field day with the mob waiting outside the court ::).
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They just showed Krak heading into court on Ch 10 news. The injured guy's sister reckons they've fought before ??? and the family is threatening paypack if the court doesn't find Krak guilty.
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Krakouer threatened with payback
The Age
December 28, 2006 - 1:55PM
Richmond Aboriginal AFL star Andrew Krakouer has been threatened with traditional payback by family members of a man he is charged with assaulting in Fremantle.
About two dozen police stood guard outside the court amid fears of reprisals by more than 20 friends and family of Mr Martin, who is also Aboriginal.
"Hey Jimmy, what goes around comes around ... 10 times worse," yelled one woman as the brothers drove away under police escort after their court appearance.
Mr Martin's grandmother, Theresa Walley, told reporters outside court that there could be traditional Aboriginal payback against the Krakouers.
"If the court doesn't give justice there will be payback," Ms Walley, who describes herself as a Fremantle Nyoonga elder, said.
"You can't walk out into the street, or go into a pub and have a drink, without a crowd wanting to bash you up, you're running from the crowd all the time."
Ms Walley said Andrew Krakouer and her grandson had been friends who played local football together.
Mr Martin's mother, Sheryl Martin, briefly arrived to join the waiting crowd and broke down in tears to be comforted by relatives.
Justin Martin's younger brother, Kerin Martin, 21, later told AAP that he was angry at what had happened and the family was devastated.
"At first I was pretty angry, but dad just said just think about Justin getting better, so I've been thinking about Justin," Kerin Martin said.
He said his brother was in intensive care with machines to help him breathe.
"When he went into a fit (on the night of the alleged attack), I think he got a lot of stuff in his lungs so they need to clear his lungs up," he said.
"It's pretty devastating, just worried about Justin."
He said despite what had happened, Andrew Krakouer's mother and his mother were friends.
"His mum and my mum go to the same church and they're good I think."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/AFLs-Krakouer-threatened-with-payback/2006/12/28/1166895405688.html
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Sounds like the kid is on life support.
Wish him luck in more ways than one :(
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It's all just an awful mess :( and we still have no further details of what actually occurred. Hope the guy pulls through okay.
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Make no mistake, this is not similar to the Ben Cousins incidents or anything like it..
Forget about AK, if this injured kid doesn't make it, it will stuff Richmond's coming season royally... :(
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By the look on Andy's face, he is a very worried boy.
I don't condone anything he's done, but his childhood and missing out on seeing his dad for about 10 years and now this makes me want to support him.
He's not a rotten kid from what I've seen and I hope the other kid gets better and Krak is let off easy
If it was anyone else except Krak, I'd probably say throw the book at him. But i hope there's some sort of leniency if he is found guilty.
This really sucks, because another kid is fighting for his life. Don't think it's wrong though to want to support Krak in some way and just hope the whole situation vanishes into thin air. Praying he did it (if he did) in self-defence.
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Interesting Krak has a shiner. So, he wasn't alone throwing punches.
Someone gave him a nice one, so maybe it was self-defence :pray
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The Herald-Sun have Krak on their AFL bad boy top 20 list. No surprise the Pies have the most lol.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20984132-662,00.html
Interesting Krak has a shiner. So, he wasn't alone throwing punches.
Someone gave him a nice one, so maybe it was self-defence :pray
Seems there's alot more to this but we'll have to wait for the court hearing to hear the full facts. Interesting that one of the rellies of the injured guy yelled out at Krak calling him his dad's name "Jimmy".
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The Herald-Sun have Krak on their AFL bad boy top 20 list. No surprise the Pies have the most lol.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20984132-662,00.html
Interesting Krak has a shiner. So, he wasn't alone throwing punches.
Someone gave him a nice one, so maybe it was self-defence :pray
Seems there's alot more to this but we'll have to wait for the court hearing to hear the full facts. Interesting that one of the rellies of the injured guy yelled out at Krak calling him his dad's name "Jimmy".
how can krak be in the top 20. this is his first indiscretion as an adult. he shows no mailice on the field or off. the guy he belted is stable and will be ok. he obv deserved what he got and i supprt AK all the way cos this is not his normal behavior.
i dont care what anyone says but belting up a bloke is no where near as bad a crime as running away from police in order to resist arrest. why else would cousins run, you only run when u have something to hide. maybe he wasnt drunk, but just maybe he had good reason to get arrested for other reasons. just my thoughts because if you have nothing to hide you stay put!
if krak was cousins embly kerr judd or cox, this would be all swept under the carpet
if AK was a pie player, it would also somehow fizzle to nothing
if AK was white, this would not even be a case in perth, bunch of bloody redneck bast ards
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hear what you say X.
Reality is the Howat will be promoted onto senior list ;)
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Really annoying to me this part of this article. If Andrew or Tyrone should ever go before a jury of some kind, most of the jurors would be tarnished with this sort of garbage by reading it in the paper prior to the trial. To me, any of this in a court case would be irrelevant and should be inadmissible. Yet it's there for all to see, and for ppl to make uneducated judgements on the character of the boys. There would be that "like father like son" mentality.
I know everyone knows about Jimmy, but if it was some unknown facing court, this just wouldn't happen. No matter who it is, things like this shouldn't be reported IMO.
The Krakouer brothers' father is former North Melbourne star Jimmy Krakouer, who is considered one of North Melbourne's greatest players, with a career spanning 14 years and almost 150 games.
But his career was clouded by off-field problems, including arrests and jail terms.
In 1985, at the height of his fame, he was charged with unlawful imprisonment, several counts of assault and 20 counts of sexual penetration of a girl under the age of 16.
He spent two weeks in Pentridge jail and was sentenced to two 50-hour community service orders.
In January 1994, after he finished playing, Jimmy Krakouer was arrested in Perth for trafficking drugs and sentenced to 16 years - a term he was still serving when Andrew began playing for Richmond in 2001.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20984031-5006789,00.html
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who's fighting for their life?
Not the jerk in hospital.
He's lying in that bed waiting for a payout.
I hope he pulls through (yeah right) only so i can smash him.
Go brother Andy,i support u 100% son.
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It's not right Moi but I guess it's the price of fame or being the kid of someone famous. A non-serious comparison would be nearly every Andrew Raines article mentioning Geoff is some way. More a sign the journo has nothing new to say to fill their article.
In a magistrates court where you only have the judge (magistrate) you would hope his/her professionalism would not let Krak's dad's past enter into the verdict whatsoever. In a higher court though where you have a jury then you have to rely on people off the street not being overly influenced by what they have read in the media prior to jury duty. Either way a verdict should only be based on the evidence provided in court. So far based on media reports there's a bloke in hospital in a serious yet stable condition, no vision of the incident, no independent witnesses, the defendants claiming their innocence and the bloke's family baying for blood. In other words we in the public no nothing.
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Reality is the Howat will be promoted onto senior list ;)
Can we promote Howat if it got to that? I thought you could only promote a rookie for a long-term injury.
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From what I've read, there's an Elder who has Cam pencilled in on the main list. :-\ ???
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IMO the club needs to distance themselves from all this. Ditch him now if the club has the power to do so. Lets face it, he's not that good anyway. This is serious stuff and the cops wouldn't have charged him if they didn't feel they had a solid case. No matter how this pans out, this unfortunate event is just what the club didn't need leading into a new season and the bad press will linger on whilst Krak is still at the club.
Cam Howat, your spot in the senior list is on the way if the rookie rules permit it. :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Two reasons why the Club won't be dumping Krak now IMO. Firstly he hasn't been convicted of anything as yet and secondly his contract would still be valid because he hasn't been convicted of anything yet and so cutting him loose would involve a one-year salary payout on top of the cost of promoting Howat to the senior list if allowed. The Club might (?) also put itself at risk of unfair dismissal (assuming the Club has more than 100 paid employees) if we sack Krak now and then he is found to be not guilty by the court.
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MT is correct, they cant sack him now, they have to wait for the court case and wait the final result. the sooner the result from the courts the better for us.
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Knowing our legal system, this court case has the potential to run into the season proper before a result is forthcoming especially if the kid in hospital doesn't make it. Will Krak be training during all of this?? Will he be allowed to leave WA at all?? This is all so messy. :help
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Knowing our legal system, this court case has the potential to run into the season proper before a result is forthcoming especially if the kid in hospital doesn't make it. Will Krak be training during all of this?? Will he be allowed to leave WA at all?? This is all so messy. :help
The squad has to run the Tan on Friday so yep Krak will be there. The only constraint on his bail is he goes nowhere near the bloke in hospital on top of the $10,000 he had to pay. Krak being back in Victoria far away from that mob is probably a good thing.
You're right tiga it's a horrible mess :(.
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[i dont care what anyone says but belting up a bloke is no where near as bad a crime as running away from police in order to resist arrest.
Tell that to David Hookes' widow.
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Our boys were acting in self defense and this will be their story.
He wont go to jail ffs but it may kill his season regARDLESS.
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[i dont care what anyone says but belting up a bloke is no where near as bad a crime as running away from police in order to resist arrest.
Tell that to David Hookes' widow.
his widow(ex wife) his lover or both
the guy that hit him got off! the only reason he did was becaus ethere was enough evidence supporting his case that hookes was the smart arse instigator. it human nature to defend yourself at all cost if you feel threatened and in danger yourself. unfortunately for hookes , he picked the wrong bloke and it cost him his life, if hookes was not such a smart a r s e , he would still be alive now
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I can't see Krak ever being a smartarse in fact Krak would be the last player I thought would get involved in a fracas, but I don't know his brother at all. Maybe he was the instigator and the bloke in hospital copped a 2 for 1 deal if Krak got involved after the initial confrontation.
All I'm hoping for is for this to all be sorted before the start of the season. I just hope there are some credible witnesses to this event otherwise as I said before this could drag on and on. Not good for the club.
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It's a mess that's for sure and a bloody big one.
None of us know what happened apart from what's been "reported" (and I use that term loosely).
Tomorrow we'll know a bit more because they're due back in court.
The quicker it's sorted out the better - but geez Krak I reckon you owe the RFC after this one ::)
The Club will have to fine him wont they?
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How about we just support the kid until we know otherwise?
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The Club will have to fine him wont they?
If he's found not guilty then possibly for breaking team rules. If the verdict goes the other way then of course he'll have bigger worries than a club fine of $5000.
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AFL player pleads not guilty to assault
RICHMOND AFL player Andrew Krakouer and his brother pleaded not guilty to assaulting a man before they left court under police guard in Fremantle today.
The 23-year-old Tigers player and his brother Tyrone, 21, appeared in Fremantle Magistrates Court charged with assault causing grievous bodily harm.
Justin Robin Martin, 24, suffered head injuries in an incident in Fremantle on December 22.
He remains in a stable condition at Perth's Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital.
At the Krakouers' court appearance last week, Mr Martin's friends and family allegedly threatened the brothers with traditional Aboriginal payback.
At least 15 police were in court today but there was no sign of trouble.
All the same, the brothers left court via a rear entrance then were put in a police car and driven to the nearby police station.
They were bailed to reappear for a committal mention on March 13.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21009853-5005961,00.html
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They were bailed to reappear for a committal mention on March 13.
Our efficient legal system at work. 2 hearings so far yet nothing has been said or done ::).
March 13 is just 2-3 weeks before the season starts :-\.
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Did I tell you..... :banghead :banghead Our judicial system sucks! This will drag into the season proper you watch!! :banghead
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March 13 is just 2-3 weeks before the season starts :-\.
Yeah just before our NAB cup GF appearance
Did I tell you..... :banghead :banghead Our judicial system sucks! This will drag into the season proper you watch!! :banghead
Yep - that's why this whole thing is a bloody nightmare
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Yeah just before our NAB cup GF appearance
Know something we don't WP :thumbsup :rollin
Did I tell you..... :banghead :banghead Our judicial system sucks! This will drag into the season proper you watch!! :banghead
It won't surprise me if this is still be going in August or September. This will just a committal in March.
What is a committal?
If you are facing a committal, you will have been charged with a serious offence which is unlikely to be finalised in the Local Court. A committal is a is a hearing in the Local Court before the charge is heard in the District Court or Supreme Court. In the committal, a Magistrate decides whether the prosecution has enough evidence against you to justify committing you for trial or sentence. If there is enough evidence, your case will be heard in the District Court or the Supreme Court.
You do not have to enter a plea at the committal. However if you do plead guilty, you will be committed for sentence unless the prosecution decides to keep your case in the Local Court.
If you plead not guilty, or enter no plea, it is most likely that you will be committed for trial.
http://www.legalaid.nsw.gov.au/asp/index.asp?pgid=489
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Ring Ring...Ring Ring...Hello is that Cam...Cam Howat?? Get your boots on buddy! :thumbsup
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Ring Ring...Ring Ring...Hello is that Cam...Cam Howat?? Get your boots on buddy! :thumbsup
As Krak is on bail and won't be facing trial (if it goes that far) until well into the season proper then he'll still be available to play. Whether mentally he can refocus 100% on his footy is the next question and only he can answer it.
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As Krak is on bail and won't be facing trial (if it goes that far) until well into the season proper then he'll still be available to play. Whether mentally he can refocus 100% on his footy is the next question and only he can answer it.
Imagine the sledging he is gonna cop from the other players :-\
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Krak's court appearance today didn't make one news service that I saw. They were too busy with Carlton's board fiasco and Fev running second last in their time trial lol.
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My estimation is that if it goes to trial, and I think that's the most likely scenario, then it will probably be heard in about september/october, perhaps even later.
The police report will be read to the court on March 13, but we probably won't hear Krak's side of the story until the trial itself.
Therefore, I believe Krak will be available all season, so Howat replacing him on the list is most unlikely. One of the big questions, as stated in posts above, will be how this affects him mentally. It could ruin his season completely, or spur him to greater heights. I fear for him, and wonder if depression may set in.
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Some additions to the earlier media report......
The 23-year-old forward and his 21-year-old brother will plead not guilty to one charge each of unlawful assault causing grievous bodily harm, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years jail.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21010780-2702,00.html
Inside court the brothers had their bail extended and were remanded to appear again in March in the Fremantle Magistrate's court.
Defence lawyers for the pair indicated that they would plead not guilty at their March court appearance.
After their appearance the Krakouer brothers were taken by police van to the nearby Fremantle Police Station where they were whisked away by supporters in a ute.
Mr Martin remained in intensive care while he was treated for black eyes, bruising and cuts all over his body and swelling around his back, ribs, kidney and lungs.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=17776
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Krak's court appearance today didn't make one news service that I saw. They were too busy with Carlton's board fiasco and Fev running second last in their time trial lol.
The media has been "suspiciously" quiet on this issue. I'm kind of glad they're not highlighting it, but you have to wonder why. Normally, they'd be all over it but they're not. Weird!
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A Richmond Football Club representative sat in the public gallery during the brothers' appearance.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21012553-661,00.html
Wonder who it was from the Club?
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The media has been "suspiciously" quiet on this issue. I'm kind of glad they're not highlighting it, but you have to wonder why. Normally, they'd be all over it but they're not. Weird!
Got to agree Moi - it seems weird. Normally the media are all over these things. Maybe it's because it happened in Perth rather than Melbourne, not that it should make much difference. Although it seems to be getting greater coverage in Perth :-\
I wonderif the media will camped at Tigerland today seeing we are supposed to be training today
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Got to agree Moi - it seems weird. Normally the media are all over these things. Maybe it's because it happened in Perth rather than Melbourne, not that it should make much difference. Although it seems to be getting greater coverage in Perth :-\
One factor might be the time of year. A lot of journalists are on holidays.If you look at the sporting section of "The Age" over the last 2 weeks it's been very much a skeleton staffing, with a lot of pre-prepared articles. Also, it's a footy-related story, and most attention is on the cricket, especially winning the Ashes and the big retirements.
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Got to agree Moi - it seems weird. Normally the media are all over these things. Maybe it's because it happened in Perth rather than Melbourne, not that it should make much difference. Although it seems to be getting greater coverage in Perth :-\
One factor might be the time of year. A lot of journalists are on holidays.If you look at the sporting section of "The Age" over the last 2 weeks it's been very much a skeleton staffing, with a lot of pre-prepared articles. Also, it's a footy-related story, and most attention is on the cricket, especially winning the Ashes and the big retirements.
Normally Caro would be the one into anything to do with us.
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Normally Caro would be the one into anything to do with us.
How true - GB's right - Caro's one who's definitely on holidays this time of year ;D
Over at the Age it seems Jake Niall's holding the fort all by himself
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This article is from a couple of days ago but I haven't seen this reported in the Melbourne media.
Tempers boil in Krakouer case
Jo Prichard
Sunday Times
January 02, 2007 05:45am
THE grandmother of Justin Martin, the young man allegedly bashed by Richmond footballer Andrew Krakouer, has rejected any hope of reconciliation between the two families.
Matriarch Joan Martin said yesterday she was not interested in meeting the Krakouers, after the fallen football star and father of the accused, Jimmy Krakouer, tried to approach the Martin clan to make peace.
"Do we sit down and thank them ... is that what you're asking? ... Get real," Ms Martin said in Perth yesterday. "The reality is that I don't intend to reconcile with any of the Krakouers, except in the courts."
Mr Martin, a 24-year-old plasterer, is in a stable condition in Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital after spending a week in intensive care with serious head injuries sustained during an attack on him at the Harbourside nightclub in Fremantle.
AFL player Andrew Krakouer and his brother Tyrone have indicated they will plead not guilty to one count each of unlawful assault causing grievous bodily harm.
Their bail was renewed last week on the condition they not approach Mr Martin.
Retired police superintendent John Watson urged the families last week to get together and talk.
But Mr Martin's father, Greg, said yesterday that making peace was not a priority while his son was still in hospital.
"We've never been in a feud with Andrew Krakouer and his family ... we're trying not to even focus on that, our focus is on Justin's recovery," he said.
"We don't know yet what the fallout's going to be from his health - he was knocked unconscious, he had head injuries and some of his body functions had shut down."
The results of medical tests will determine whether charges against the Krakouer brothers will be downgraded, a move that has angered Ms Martin.
Family threats of tribal payback for those found responsible were toned down yesterday, as she said the main responsibility for justice was with the courts and police.
"I don't believe in exploiting Aboriginal culture or law, I have never done it in the past and I don't intend to do it now," Ms Martin said.
She and her son said young indigenous people needed to show more respect for traditional ways as recognition of customary law was evolving in Western Australia's judicial system.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21001183-2761,00.html
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More to this case thats meets the eye. Justin Martin might be related to another AFL player.
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looking for a payout is our little victim :whistle
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looking for a payout is our little victim :whistle
Dont think so . Very indepth is all this
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looking for a payout is our little victim :whistle
Dont think so . Very indepth is all this
PMs old son !
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Just pinching a snippett about Krak from the training report. He looked in fairly good spirits today.
Krak was there by the way and had a good session. No visible signs of any mental distraction that detracted from his training. Newy put his arm around him at one stage as they were coming back onto the ground after they had gone off to change from boots to runners but then again it was probably me noticing something that was nothing.
On another note in the Herald-Sun it says Dean Brogan is facing court in March for his assault charge from June last year. So another example of these things dragging out over a long period of time.
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Good to hear the club come out and say they're right behind Krak via Miller in that interview.
And that's after hearing the circumstances surrounding the incident from Andrew.
:thumbsup
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Yeah - it's a positive
It's just a pity that it isn't done and dusted, over with, finished, finito etc. from a legal point of view :-\
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Miller's comments today on Sport 927....
The Club has been through the issues that the club needs to say to him and we're now fully supporting him. As he's pleaded not guilty that's how we see it and are supporting him. We are fully aware of the circumstances by speaking to Andrew and being with him at the initial trial. It's not a Steve Johnson case at all. It's an isolated incident. Krak wished he wasn't there at the time but it happened and we'll be supporting him and let the court take its process.
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The Club has done the right thing going by what Miller said. It's just frustrating that it'll take most of the year for the courts to sort this matter out.
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Footy star linked to bandit
Kelvin Healey
January 14, 2007 12:00am
Sunday Herald Sun
AFL player Andrew Krakouer's sister has married notorious armed robber and would-be cop killer Brendan Berichon in a prison ceremony.
The groom, accomplice of "Postcard Bandit" Brendon Abbott, has put the Richmond forward on his prison visitor list.
Berichon, who helped Abbott escape from prison in 1997 and later shot and injured two Victorian policemen, wed Rhiannon Krakouer, 25, on December 2.
The bride's brother, who is facing serious assault charges in WA, did not attend the jailhouse ceremony.
The couple were married by a celebrant behind the bars of the medium security Marngoneet Correctional Centre, near Lara, west of Melbourne.
The short ceremony was not attended by any guests.
"The wedding was supposed to take place at 11am, but the bride was two hours late," a source said.
"It was a very, very small ceremony and took about 15 minutes."
Ms Krakouer did not even tell some of her closest friends about the nuptials.
Holidaying in Western Australia, she refused to comment when the Sunday Herald Sun contacted her through a friend.
Andrew Krakouer's manager, Peter Jess, said the football star did not want to make any comment on the wedding or his being placed on the criminal's visitor list.
It is understood Andrew Krakouer has not visited Berichon and does not plan to.
The revelations emerged three weeks after Krakouer and his brother Tyrone were charged with assault causing grievous bodily harm after a man received head injuries in an incident in Fremantle on December 22.
The Krakouers' father Jim, a North Melbourne star, was jailed in 1995 for trafficking amphetamines and served nine years of a 16-year term before his release in 2004.
It is not known how Rhiannon Krakouer met Berichon, who has been in jail since early 1998. He will be eligible for parole in April but Queensland Police say he will face new charges in that state when released.
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,21055292-2862,00.html
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Footy star linked to bandit
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What's this got to do with Krak himself or his case apart from trying to portray the whole Krakouer family as a bunch of crims ::).
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who is lara bingle gonna shag next?
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who is lara bingle gonna shag next?
:pray me me me , my hand is up!!!
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Really X - do you really want to lower yourself that much? Any decent male should run in opposite direct that have anything to do with Miss Bungle, especially if he already has a wife/girlfriend.
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who is lara bingle gonna shag next?
Why can't a girl be a model without being a whore? ::)
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who is lara bingle gonna shag next?
Why can't a girl be a model without being a whore? ::)
Does that person exist ??? :gobdrop
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Footy star linked to bandit
::)
What's this got to do with Krak himself or his case apart from trying to portray the whole Krakouer family as a bunch of crims ::).
some little wizzed journo looking to please his editor :chuck
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Really X - do you really want to lower yourself that much? Any decent male should run in opposite direct that have anything to do with Miss Bungle, especially if he already has a wife/girlfriend.
aaah i have a wife and a g/f ...... just kidding............ just having some forum fun, dont stress julz, just shifting the heat off krak and back onto bingle
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who is lara bingle gonna shag next?
Why can't a girl be a model without being a whore? ::)
i never said she was a whore, just asked a ?, who will she shag next! i dont like the word whore, sexually perniscuous is more like it :thumbsup, james bond is a man whore and dont we all wish we were him
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who is lara bingle gonna shag next?
Why can't a girl be a model without being a whore? ::)
i never said she was a whore, just asked a ?, who will she shag next! i dont like the word whore, sexually perniscuous is more like it :thumbsup, james bond is a man whore and dont we all wish we were him
I never said you said she was a whore :shh
I said she was a whore... oh sorry you don't like that word... ho.. slut?
Any better :rollin
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LMAO@ "Lowering yourself."
LMAO@ That old chestnut Jewlz :scream
How well has that worked for women in the history of guys rooting around ? :rollin
Any guy that is honest would answer,"Yes,I would lower myself!"
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I'd put Bingle away. Absolutely. She'd be walking in circles for a month. Good sort.
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Terrible name anyway - Bingle. Almost as bad as that girl on "Australian Princess" - Kylie Booby. She's a bimbo as well.
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Terrible name anyway - Bingle. Almost as bad as that girl on "Australian Princess" - Kylie Booby. She's a bimbo as well.
*breaks into song*
B.I.M.B.O Oh no, Oh ho! :rollin
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LMAO Girls.
If u could root that many blokes you would,or at least would have :thumbsup :shh :scream
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It's all about quality my dear Oxx, not quantity.
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I knew a girl in my undergrad days who was like that. Same age too. Had about 8 boyfriends in the space of 18 months. Every 2-3 months it was "oh I dumped [insert ex-boyfriend] about a week ago" followed days later by "I'm going to such and such place with [insert new boyfriend].... he's wonderful". I became friends with ex No 1 about a year after they broke up and after he found a long-term girlfriend she started flirting with him again :nope but he had no intention of being burnt twice so she eventually lost interest. It was like Days of Lives lol.
Footy star linked to bandit
::)
What's this got to do with Krak himself or his case apart from trying to portray the whole Krakouer family as a bunch of crims ::).
some little wizzed journo looking to please his editor :chuck
Spot on Ox. They used the photo of Krak with a black-eye again too ::).
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It's all about quality my dear Oxx, not quantity.
The difference is if a bloke is rooting a desirable chick then most other blokes will say well done mate whereas if a woman is rooting a desirable bloke then women tend to get catty and jealous.
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It's all about quality my dear Oxx, not quantity.
LMAO-Says the chick who reckons Richo and Simmo are spunks. :rollin
I must agree, as far as what she's boned being quality-less pork
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It's all about quality my dear Oxx, not quantity.
The difference is if a bloke is rooting a desirable chick then most other blokes will say well done mate whereas if a woman is rooting a desirable bloke then women tend to get catty and jealous.
Are you say we are jealous coz she was rooting Fev? :chuck
Even though I said it too, funny how a girl that sleeps around is a whore, but a guy that sleeps around is a legend ::)
Footy star linked to bandit
::)
What's this got to do with Krak himself or his case apart from trying to portray the whole Krakouer family as a bunch of crims ::).
some little wizzed journo looking to please his editor :chuck
Spot on Ox. They used the photo of Krak with a black-eye again too ::).
The media are grasping at straws to sell newpapers... what's new ::)
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What's this about Neil Mitchell saying the Club is really worried about Krak's availability over this incident ???
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What's this about Neil Mitchell saying the Club is really worried about Krak's availability over this incident ???
Yes read about it on it on Y&B.
Quiet newsday for Neil was it?
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Krakouer was reported for kicking, in an incident in which he accidentally made contact to the head of Geelong's Darren Milburn during a goalmouth scrimmage (leaving Milburn with a nasty head gash), of more immediate concern was his knee injury with Krakouer barely able to walk after the game.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=316175
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Perhaps due to his off field indiscretian in Perth he has had the bone pointed at him ::)
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In years gone by Krak would've been dismissed as accidental contact but with the AFL and their head contact thing he might be in trouble.
But he shouldnt be.
Didnt King get let off for a kick in the face that ended much worse just two years ago?? Jeff White and his Jaw was it?
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When Milburn dived at the ball, IIRC he actually dived about a metre and a half to the defensive side of the ball. How can an attacking forward account for such a wayward dive?
I'm sorry to Darren Milburn with his headache, but if you are going to dive recklessly in the goalsquare then you should expect a kick in the head. There was a bit of sledging going on towards Krak after he did it too, I wonder what the Geelong players were saying to him???
Also if I was on Krak's defence team I would be compiling a video of all of the goals that Krak has kicked off the ground during his career, I reckon it would amount to quite a few over the years.
Does anyone know, if Krak did get suspended, would he be able to serve by missing praccy matches or would he miss the real deal?
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unfortunately praccie matches dont count
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Didnt King get let off for a kick in the face that ended much worse just two years ago?? Jeff White and his Jaw was it?
King's was far worse than Krak's as his kick was head high and reckless. In soccer he would have got a straight red card given it's a dangerous kick that can cause injury.
Krak had every right to try and kick the loose ball off the ground. It wasn't as though Milburn was already over the ball. Unfortunately our soccer skills weren't any better than our football skills yesterday and Krak missed the ball and got Milburn's poor face :P. Same as Tucky hitting fresh air on the goalline :wallywink. Summed up our day.
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Considered Krak's contact negligent, high impact, high contact.
3 weeks in total which ends up 1 week if he pleads guilty
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Considered Krak's contact negligent, high impact, high contact.
3 weeks in total which ends up 1 week if he pleads guilty
What a joke! :banghead
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From AAP
The panel charged Krakouer with rough conduct after he kicked Geelong defender Darren Milburn in the head during the second term of Sunday's match at Skilled Stadium.
Krakouer has a good record over the last five seasons, reducing the penalty from three games to one if he makes an early plea.
Krakouer (has) until 11am on Tuesday to decide whether to take his case to the tribunal.
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=38421
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We are appealing the Krak decision tomorrow night (as we should ::) ) and will use the King-White incident from last year as a precident for Krak to get off. Apparently the Club is incensed about Krak being reported in the first place.
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While I can understand the club being angry with Krak being charged I have to say I am not surprised.
As soon as the AFL announced the change to rule regarding head high contact and an incident like this occured a player was going to get charged as an example and so the league can say "we are cracking down on head high contact" - it just so happens that Krak was the first to get pinged. Not saying it is right just saying it was going to happen. It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow night.
What is more staggering is that Lloyd again didn't get cited - the bloke on the soap box on SEN this afternoon was right there does appear to be a "Rules for the Golden Hair Boy Club" ::) :banghead :wallywink
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You must admitt, that was a pearler of a kick - lmaooooo
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Krakouer punished for Cat's courage
27 February 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson
MARK Robinson writes: Frustration buzzed out of Punt Rd yesterday, all of it stemming from Sunday's clash against Geelong.
If the 43-point caning wasn't bad enough, the Tigers had Andrew Krakouer suspended for a week, his kick to the head of Geelong's Darren Milburn frowned upon by the match review panel.
Krakouer is very unlucky.
In a conversation with match review chairman Peter Schwab in Darwin, he talked of the accidental nature of football. The Tigers yesterday argued Krakouer's incident was just that and will this morning challenge the decision.
They wrote to Schwab yesterday, pleading to have the case thrown out. It was ignored.
Instead, Krakouer was charged with a level-three offence for engaging in rough conduct. His three-match penalty was whittled down to one because of his five-year good record and early guilty plea.
The incident was assessed as negligent conduct (one point), high impact (three points) and high contact (two points).
If you didn't see it, Milburn dived across three lanes of Princes Highway to get to an unaware Krakouer in the goalsquare. Krakouer swung wildly at the ground ball, missed and flushed Milburn in the face.
Watching Milburn's head jolt back on impact and the bloodied face disturbed all of us, but it was an accident.
If it wasn't for Milburn's courage and application to try to smother the ball, it would not have happened.
Why should Krakouer be penalised for Milburn's fearlessness?
If Steven King had nothing to answer in 2005 for kicking Jeff White in the head, when the ball was bobbing around a couple of feet off the ground, then Krakouer and the Tigers can feel they've been kicked in the head by the system.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21293420%255E19742,00.html
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Spot on article. :thumbsup
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If you didn't see it, Milburn dived across three lanes of Princes Highway
:rollin
Haha that made me laugh :lol
I don't see why he should be punished, Steven King wasn't and his kick was alot higher, Krak was just going for a goal ::)
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Krak said at training his challenging the decision. Has to leave or be there by 5pm tonight.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=316405
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Krakouer punished for Cat's courage
27 February 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson
If Steven King had nothing to answer in 2005 for kicking Jeff White in the head, when the ball was bobbing around a couple of feet off the ground, then Krakouer and the Tigers can feel they've been kicked in the head by the system.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21293420%255E19742,00.html
I am not a fan for Mark Robinson because over the years he has written some shocking dribble but kudos :clapping for this article he is right on the money - don't know if it will help Krak at all but his point is spot on
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According to BF main board the tribunal has asked Krak why did he kick at the ball so hard.
Ummm because he was playing football ??? ::).
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Krak has been cleared :woohoo
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Krak has been cleared :woohoo
So he should be - go Krak :thumbsup
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That's good news. Here's hoping he gets a similar result in the 'real life' tribunal. :-\
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Let's now hope Krak's leg is okay.
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According to BF main board the tribunal has asked Krak why did he kick at the ball so hard.
Yes they report that he'd been asked that question by the legal presenting the league on SEN - I nearly drove of the road :gobdrop
I thought at the time Krak's reply was a classic but do yuo think i can bloody remember what it was exactly - hopefully it will be in the papers tomorrow
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Krakouer cleared of rough conduct
The Age
February 27, 2007
Richmond forward Andrew Krakouer has successfully challenged a two-match ban for rough conduct tonight and is free to play in round one of the AFL season.
Krakouer was cited after accidentally kicking Geelong's Darren Milburn in the head while trying to soccer the ball off the ground during the Tigers' NAB Cup loss at Skilled Stadium on Sunday.
Tribunal legal counsel Andrew Tinney argued Krakouer had other options available to him and that the 24-year-old's conduct was negligent, but the three-man jury of Emmett Dunne, Richard Loveridge and Stewart Loewe took less than 10 minutes to find him not guilty.
After the first tribunal hearing of 2007, Richmond football manager Paul Armstrong said the club regarded the incident as an accident and was pleased to have Krakouer available for the round one clash against Carlton on April 1.
"It's a collision sport and these things do happen from time to time," Armstrong said.
Krakouer said he regretted Milburn got injured but was "massively relieved" to have been cleared.
In his summary, Krakouer's advocate Michael Tovey, QC, said Krakouer was "doing what every crumbing forward does".
"You wonder what the game's coming to," Tovey said, referring to the charge against Krakouer. "Everybody there knew it was an accident."
In his evidence to the tribunal, Krakouer said he saw an opportunity to kick a goal and didn't see any players around the footy at that time.
Under questioning from tribunal counsel Tinney, Krakouer conceded if he had chosen another option such as trying to tap the footy on, pick it up or gain possession he might not have struck Milburn in the head, but added: "I didn't see anyone around the football at the time I went to kick it. I didn't see him (Milburn), my eyes were on the football."
Milburn, who gave evidence via telephone, said he was attempting to smother the kick and described his actions as routine and part of his job as a defender.
"The ball was there to be won. He was trying to kick a goal and I was trying to save a goal," Milburn, who required 20 stitches, said. "I wouldn't say it was anything out of the norm."
Field umpire Kieron Nicholls, who laid an initial charge of kicking, said Krakouer attempted soccer was with "fairly decent" force and "harder than warranted" in the circumstances.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/27/1172338620853.html
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According to BF main board the tribunal has asked Krak why did he kick at the ball so hard.
Yes they report that he'd been asked that question by the legal presenting the league on SEN - I nearly drove of the road :gobdrop
I thought at the time Krak's reply was a classic but do yuo think i can bloody remember what it was exactly - hopefully it will be in the papers tomorrow
I liked Miller's line about how Krak would have copped 3 weeks from Wallace if he hadn't tried to kicked the ball.
Well done Kieron Nicholls. You're the only twit in the whole world who thought it wasn't accidental ::). FFS Milburn could have broken Krak's leg diving across it like that.
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They were bailed to reappear for a committal mention on March 13.
Bump.... only 5 days away
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Good luck Krak :thumbsup
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Meh a commital mention?
He should be in and out in a jiffy.
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Meh a commital mention?
He should be in and out in a jiffy.
Clerk: Please rise for the Judge. [Judge enters chamber]
Judge: Mr Krakouer, see you in 6 months at trial.
Clerk: Please rise for the Judge. [Judge exists chamber]
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AFL star abused as he leaves court
Breaking News - The Age
March 13, 2007 - 1:49PM
Aboriginal AFL star Andrew Krakouer was verbally abused as he left a Perth court by relatives of a man he is accused of seriously bashing.
The 23-year-old Richmond Tigers player and his brother Tyrone, 21, appeared in the Fremantle Magistrates Court on Tuesday charged with assault causing grievous bodily harm.
Another man, 18-year-old Elwyn-Roger Colbung also appeared with the Krakouer brothers charged with assault causing grievous bodily harm over the same incident.
Justin Robin Martin, 24, who is also Aboriginal, sustained head injuries in the incident near a hotel in Fremantle on December 22 last year.
Inside the court, lawyers for the three men requested a lengthy adjournment for the preparation of medical reports.
The matter was adjourned until May 8, but Andrew Krakouer was given leave not to appear on that occasion.
The trio's bail was renewed.
Outside the court, half a dozen of Mr Martin's relatives were waiting.
As the three accused walked to a waiting car one relative shouted: "You're a dog Andrew!"
Later, Justin Martin's aunt Rosemary Walley said her nephew was now out of hospital but the incident had taken its toll on the family.
"Justin's back on his feet, he is doing well, but he's still got internal injuries, his kidneys are not as good as they used to be," Ms Walley said.
"He's still healing, it's taken its toll, the family, I don't think, they'll never be the same again."
"Once justice is done they can get on with their lives."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/AFL-star-abused-as-he-leaves-court/2007/03/13/1173722440569.html
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The matter was adjourned until May 8, but Andrew Krakouer was given leave not to appear on that occasion.
Our efficient legal system at work again. It'll be six months by then before they even decide if there'll be a trial ::). At least Krak doesn't have to attend next time when it'll be during the footy season.
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go get andy!! nothing wrong with defending your name and your honour!
i wont hesitate to defend my name and honmor and would do time gladly 4 doing so!!
facts are andrew is no dog, the other guy is, and andrew should feel proud for what he did.
many might say how can obne be proud of beating the stuffing out of another? easy, when it comes to defending yourself, name name, your ancestory, your honor, there is no limit........ i for one know and accept that.
chin up andy
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I know this is a serious subject but something stuck out to me like a dog's proverbials with that article. 8)
Abuse? ;D We've got a thread on dogs and everyone loves them.
That reporter really needs to get out more and that relative needs to be more specific for the remark to cut deep. Shouting out "You're a poodle" would cut me to the quick.
(Better go back and check none were in the thread :whistle)
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Miller accompanied Krak to court yesterday ....
Krakouer in court
RICHMOND Forward Andrew Krakouer was heckled by relatives of a man he is accused of bashing after he appeared in Fremantle Magistrates Court yesterday. Krakouer, 24, and his brother Tyrone, 21, were not required to plead to charges of causing grievous bodily harm to 24-year-old Justin Robin Martin, who received head injuries in an incident on December 22 last year. Magistrate Jacqueline Musk renewed bail and adjourned the case until May 8, when the men are expected to enter pleas. Andrew Krakouer, who was accompanied in court by Richmond football director Greg Miller, was given leave not to appear on that occasion because of football commitments. As the Krakouers left court, one of the victim's relatives verbally abused the footballer, shouting: "You're a dog, Andrew." DAVID DARRAGH
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/03/13/1173722467212.html
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How did it not make the top 3 in this week's mark of the year nominations? ???
Running back with the flight of the ball expecting the Swan player to take a easy mark and at the last second picks it out of his hands like an apple out of a tree while keeping his balance :clapping.
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bec krak never eve rgets credit for his good efforts, just gets creamed for his perceived lack of fitness and workrate. i wish all our players were as good as him in congested and contested situations
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I thought Krak's defensive work with his harrassing and tackling was very good against the Swans. He needed to become more involved though when we had the ball. The modern game with its short chip kicks and flooded forward lines doesn't suit crumbers like Krak.
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Violence flares at Krakouer case
Jim Kelly
May 08, 2007 03:00pm
Article from: The Sunday Times
A FEUD between the families of AFL star Andrew Krakouer and a man he is accused of assaulting erupted in violence at a Fremantle Court today.
The 23-year-old forward was not required in court today but his brother Tyrone, 21, and Elwyn-Roger Colbung, 18, were due to appear to enter pleas to assault charges relating to the same incident.
The three are accused of causing grevious bodily harm to Justin Robin Martin, allegedly bashing him in Fremantle on December 22 last year.
The Martin family has previously threatened to take revenge for the attack which seriously injured the 24-year-old victim.
In court today two Martin family members, one a 26-year-old woman and the other a 47-year-old man, became involved in a confrontation with the two defendants in a waiting room.
A police officer who tried to break up the fight suffered a cut arm and was taken to Fremantle Hosptial for treatment.
Four people were charged with disorderly conduct.
The members of one family are due to appear in Fremantle Court on Monday while the other two men will appear in the same court on Friday.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,21694233-5008620,00.html
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Thank gawd Krak wasn't there :help.
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Rumours from 3aws Whisperer- Andrew Krakouer to Port at the end of the year all going well lets hope its true and lets hope we can scrouge something half decent in return.
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Salopek :cheers
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Salopek :cheers
Awesome if true
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Salopek :cheers
Awesome if true
Sorry bluey_21 - that's what my wish would be - don't think it will happen :thumbsup
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Salopek :cheers
Awesome if true
Sorry bluey_21 - that's what my wish would be - don't think it will happen :thumbsup
Oh Cmon WP got my hopes up for a moment there :rollin
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Rodan.
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Rodan.
Now that would be funny :thumbsup ;D and a tad bit ironic
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Krakouer ----> Port Adelaide ----> Pick (Round 3) ----> Richmond ...
Mark Williams willn't trade player for player ... unless they are bad ... so just get a draft pick !
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He's out of contract so we will have very little leverage and got little in return. A third round pick would be the best we could hope for.
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out of contract is Adam Cooney. Rumours that a bid of $600,000 a year will be made by 1 club to get Cooney. The Bulldogs are gonna have a battle to keep him.
And no RFC isnt the club thats going to offer the deal. Hes a good player but no way is he worth 600 big ones imho.
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Cooney would be alright. Is it really worthwhile hanging on to Krakoeur? Has he really been of any value in the last couple of years?
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KB just said on SEN to 'mark it down' that Steven King will be at Richmond next year.
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KB just said on SEN to 'mark it down' that Steven King will be at Richmond next year.
please, no.
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KB just said on SEN to 'mark it down' that Steven King will be at Richmond next year.
No 1 DUD
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We'd be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Krak. Port wouldn't let Salopek go for anything less than a early first round pick. He'd be in their best 12.
Maybe North might have some sentimental attachment for Krak. Maybe a play for Hale in a swap who has now fallen behind McIntosh as the Roos' No 1. ruckman.
KB just said on SEN to 'mark it down' that Steven King will be at Richmond next year.
No 1 DUD
Spot on Ox. King is finished. Injury prone and can't get a game.
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And Krak is playing tonite ::)
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And Krak is playing tonite ::)
Who's out?
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What a shame Krak can't get the consistency and fitness levels to play as a permanent midfielder. He can make a clearance look so simple sometimes and can get through traffic so easily. Then he usually uses the ball so well.
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KB just said on SEN to 'mark it down' that Steven King will be at Richmond next year.
No point picking up another injury-riddled ruckman like King.
News for Geelong was bad as well, with ruckman Steven King likely to miss the next four weeks after having arthroscopic surgery on his right knee on Friday.
It is another setback for King, who has been searching for the form which would earn him senior selection again.
He recently returned to the seniors after missing three weeks with a leg injury but after two mediocre matches he was dropped back to the VFL.
http://news.realfooty.com.au/tigers-mcguane-hit-by-goalpost-in-vfl/20072919-do2.html
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Krak made his debut against the Bombers back in R7, 2001 and now will play his 100th against them on Saturday.
Games: 99*
Goals: 99
Avg Disposals: 10.2
Avg Marks: 2.4
Avg Tackles: 3
http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=571
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Let's hope he can turn the magic on then.
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Let's hope he can turn the magic on then.
and not committ friendly fire
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Congrats to Krak.
He was lucky to get a late call up last week but did okay. Here's hoping he has a memorable milestone game and snags 5 goals against the Dons again.
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Congrats Krak :clapping
Lucky to play 100 games IMO.
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Richmond and Essendon have a long history with indigenous players and the Tigers' Andrew Krakouer, who will play his 100th game, and exciting Essendon youngster Paddy Ryder can hardly wait to take part on Saturday night.
Krakouer, whose father Jim and uncle Phil were trailblazers for the current-day Aboriginal players in the 1980's, said he could think of no better stage on which to play his 100th game.
"Just to go out there and represent the Aboriginal guys that paved the way for us is amazing and to play my 100th game as well is just awesome."
http://sportal.com.au/football.asp?i=news&id=99098
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Hopefully he has a son who has talent :pray
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and a motor to play midfield like his granddad.
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I think boxing could be Krak's sons go. Quick hands run in the family!
100 games, well, in a few words cameo, lazy & inconsistent.
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100 games, well, in a few words cameo, lazy & inconsistent.
or u could just say,"Frawleyed" at a young age....
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I was under the impression Krak had daughters.
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I was under the impression Krak had daughters.
I thought that was Tambo, but I'm probably wrong :-\
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I was under the impression Krak had daughters.
I thought that was Tambo, but I'm probably wrong :-\
Blingers has a son, Tyler I think his name is
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I was under the impression Krak had daughters.
I thought that was Tambo, but I'm probably wrong :-\
Blingers has a son, Tyler I think his name is
Bling's boys name is Tyson
And yes Krak has daughters not sons :thumbsup
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Krakouer's battle to beat trouble within
26 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson
ON THE eve of Dreamtime at the 'G, Andrew Krakouer carries a dream.
Krakouer night
Out of contract at Richmond at the end of the season, Krakouer - just 24 and playing his 100th game tonight - knows the next 14 games will decide his AFL career.
He admits to doses of anxiety, even fear, but is matter-of-fact.
"That's reality. You can look at it in each and every different aspect, but at the end of the day, it's reality. I've just got to do everything I can, and do what I am paid to do," he said.
"I've been in and out of the side and my form hasn't been too good, and it's something I'm not too happy with, but I know these last 14 games will decide whether I'm here or not at the end of the year.
"I know that and I'm going to do everything I can to make sure I am here next year."
It's been a tumultuous 2007 for the Tigers forward.
But those who have known him since a young boy, when he straddled the knee of his famous dad Jimmy back at Arden St in the mid-1980s, say life has been tumultuous.
Greg Miller, the Tigers football director, was at North Melbourne when Jim and his brother Phil arrived from Perth and changed football in regards to indigenous players.
He is a mentor to Andrew Krakouer as much as Kangas stalwart Ron Joseph was to the wayward Jimmy.
"He's had to handle a lot in his life," Miller said. "Everything has been a battle from day one and he's still battling.
"Not just family situations but personally. Everything. He grew up with his father in jail. I went with him a few times to jail."
Krakouer won't talk about his dad's troubled past, but loves talking about him.
"He's brutally honest about my footy which is what I need," Andrew said.
Young Krakouer's season has lurched from a nightclub punch-up, to court, to playing good footy, to being dropped, to tonight, where he will represent his people at the MCG.
The court case, in which he is answering to assault charges after an incident in Perth in December last year, continues. And Miller, much like a worried uncle, has concerns.
"I am concerned for him. Football is a vehicle for him and his family and I hope he continues to learn to push himself harder," Miller said.
"I've seen the difficult times in the last six months, with what happened in Perth and what he's gone though mentally with that. I think it weighs on his mind, no doubt."
Krakouer doesn't make excuses, but admits the Perth fracas is a heavy burden.
"People sometimes don't understand, they don't know what's going through your head . . . but there's a lot behind the picture, behind the player," he said. "The things that happened over in Perth have been playing on my mind a bit.
"In a way people might be (looking at me differently) ... I'm not quite sure what they would think, but I know who I am, and the people around me know who I am."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21795447%255E19742,00.html
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Krakouer night
26 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Robinson
WHEN you look at Andrew Krakouer, you often wonder if he's happy in life.
On the field he shakes and bakes with minimal fuss, as most brilliant Aboriginal players do, but with Krakouer it seems even the most breathtaking of moments don't awake the exhilaration in him.
Off the field, Krakouer is private. Quiet. Certainly not one for media street, and never one to give too much away at press conferences when the rare occasion graces us, like this week in the lead-up to tonight's Dreamtime at the 'G.
That's who he is, but he seems to argue happiness, like beauty, is more than skin deep.
"I am quite happy and I am quite shy. I keep to myself, but I am a happy person," Krakouer said.
"I've got a pretty good rapport with people around the club. The side people don't probably see a whole lot of is the family side, I'm a bit more of a joker and my girls bring that out in me.
"But I'm not a very emotional man. I don't smile a lot on the field, but I do get excited at times. I just stay in my shell. I'm not quite sure why that is. That's just the nature of me. My dad was a pretty shy bloke."
For those old, and lucky, enough to remember, Jim Krakouer was a phenomenal player. He and his brother Phil took football to somewhere else. In the 1980s, Jimmy and Phil at the Kangaroos were Aaron and Alwyn Davey, Sean and Peter Burgoyne, Andrew McLeod and Adam Goodes all rolled into one . . . I mean two, though they often played like one, if that makes sense.
For Krakouer, life as the son of Jimmy has been mixed. Good and bad. Some say he has several of Jimmy's traits. And it's why, when Krakouer runs out to play his 100th game for Richmond tonight, there'll be no more prouder person than Krakouer himself.
"Yeah, I am proud," he said. "My background, where I've come from, I think it's a great effort. A lot of people wouldn't know much about my background, what I've had to deal with, what I've come through.
"They would probably know the things I had to deal with with Dad, but, yeah, all the people who know me and what I've come through . . . to be able to play 100 games means a lot."
And to do it tonight?
"It's like a fairytale, like a dream come true. I thought I might've been playing my 100th at Adelaide, but I was dropped for Port Adelaide and it didn't work out, but now it works out, it's amazing.
"I don't want to think about it too much, but to be able to play 100 games and get your name on the locker . . . I'm just overwhelmed with it."
Krakouer was drafted by the Tigers as a 17-year-old in 2000. He had been at the famed Clontarf Academy in Perth, had played no senior footy and had almost zero fitness base and no real pace. But he could play.
He grew up in Perth with his mum Fiona, to be near Dad while he was in jail, and then, at 16, his girlfriend Barbara became pregnant. They had Allira, now seven, and Tekia the year after. He moved to Melbourne as a young father, wide-eyed and keen, knowledgeable even then, that football had given him the opportunity to provide for his girls.
Tigers football director Greg Miller, a long-time family friend, is defensive of Krakouer, and shakes his head when Tigers fans heap criticism on the small forward and occasional midfielder.
He lacked consistency, said Miller, who seems hopeful more than confident that Krakouer will get another contract.
"I think he will because he is desperate to continue," Miller said.
"I think he is maligned by some Richmond supporters, and I don't like seeing our supporters make judgments on our players when they are not aware of all the facts, and the hard work and what the players need to go through to make the top grade.
"It's been tough for Andrew on a lot of fronts. He wasn't blessed with a lot of the natural ability other players have got. He hasn't got natural speed or a natural endurance base, therefore he has had to work harder than most in those areas to make up for it.
"And he's worked so hard to get 100 games. I've seen his improvement in work ethic grow from next to nothing to what it is now . . . and he works extremely hard.
"He knows he's in a vulnerable situation, he knows his contract is expiring, he knows that every game is so important to him. He knows to be able to provide for his family, which is the most important thing in his life, football is the vehicle and every game counts.
"I admire the battle he's made to improve himself in so many areas of his life."
Family is everything to Krakouer. His girls. His mum. And his dad.
"He respects his mum for the sacrifices she's made for the family over and over again under very difficult circumstances," Miller said.
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cont.....
Krakouer says his mum is an angel. "Without Mum around when we first came over, I don't how I would've coped with it," he said.
When it comes to his girls, it gets back to the next 14 weeks.
"It's very, very important to provide," Krakouer said.
"They are two beautiful little daughters, they are my world and I love them to death and to be able to give them whatever they want, like any father would, is important. Whatever they need, knowledge, anything, is really important to me.
"I can do that through footy, which I love doing, so it is win-win. And it gets back to the next 14 weeks, it's that important for me, to get everything back on track so I can do everything right."
Krakouer's pre-season was his best, but his form has not progressed into the season.
He started solidly, then trailed off before being dropped for the Bulldogs game in Round 4. He went back to Coburg seconds, because the seniors had the bye, and rallied for 36 kicks against Frankston.
He was promoted again, and then dropped after the Port Adelaide game, but saved himself with his best effort of the season against Adelaide, after receiving the call-up for the injured Chris Hyde.
Against the Crows, he tried a different approach to get into the game. After talking to Tigers director of football Brian Royal, Krakouer marked his hand with an "X".
"I've been drifting in and out of games and the cross was a reminder for me, like how can I get involved, how can I get my next possession, how can I stay involved in the game, instead of going through the motions and waiting for the footy to come down," Krakouer said.
"So every time I was out of the play, I'd look around, look at my hand, and make constructive talk, make a tackle, a shepherd, just do something, as long as I'm involved in the game."
Krakouer says being the son of a famous footballer hasn't been a burden, and that he loves his dad's involvement and advice.
"You know, a lot of people have said to me, 'Oooh, Jimmy Krakouer's son'. They probably might have expected a lot from me, but in a way I don't think it's a burden. Since I was drafted, I thought I've got to make my own way, my own name. We are totally different people, different players.
"He's a massive part of my life, a great support, and he loves going to footy games, getting down to the rooms after the game. The players love having a chat to him. They say to me, 'Yeah, just had a chat to Jimmy'. And Dad says the same. He loves getting down to have a chat with the boys and I love seeing him down there.
"He's always ringing me during the week, asking how I'm going, am I doing extra training, am I doing this, am I doing that? He's on to me. He gets pretty down on me, I suppose, but that's a good thing.
"He's my most critical judge, which is good. He's brutally honest, which I need. Terry (Wallace) is as well, but Dad's been there done that and knows what it takes to be the best."
Jimmy will be there tonight, as will Fiona and the girls.
Andrew was planning to ask the club if he could run out with Allira and Tekia to make the night even more memorable. His face lights up at the prospect - he and his two on the MCG for Dreamtime.
"They would love it," he said. "Most blokes do it in massive milestones -- 250s, 200s, 300s . . . it would be great. I have thought about it, so I might have to ask."
To the suggestion he might wait for his 200th, he says: "I'm not even looking that far. Most blokes who play, say, 250 games, they are just young men. If I ever play that many games, my kids will run out and they'll be teenagers."
Yep, Andrew Krakouer is happy.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21794440%255E19742,00.html
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Good articles on Krakouer. I just hope he can live up to all the hype and put in a real corker for us tonight.
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Good articles on Krakouer. I just hope he can live up to all the hype and put in a real corker for us tonight.
a bag of 5 would be nice!
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Against the Crows, he tried a different approach to get into the game. After talking to Tigers director of football Brian Royal, Krakouer marked his hand with an "X".
;) ;D :shh ;D
:gotigers
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"It's been tough for Andrew on a lot of fronts. He wasn't blessed with a lot of the natural ability other players have got. He hasn't got natural speed or a natural endurance base, therefore he has had to work harder than most in those areas to make up for it.
Not sure if that's what a AFL footballer wants on his CV when he is out of contract.
All the best to Andy tonight. I hope he kicks another bag against the Dons.
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Against the Crows, he tried a different approach to get into the game. After talking to Tigers director of football Brian Royal, Krakouer marked his hand with an "X".
;) ;D :shh ;D
:gotigers
Oh I just got that. Very funny :lol
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After getting dropped this week, it looks like the dreamtime game was Krak's 100th and potentially one of his last games for Richmond. Hard to see him surviving after this season when as a more seasoned player you get dropped from a team half full of kids for the second time in a month.
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After getting dropped this week, it looks like the dreamtime game was Krak's 100th and potentially one of his last games for Richmond. Hard to see him surviving after this season when as a more seasoned player you get dropped from a team half full of kids for the second time in a month.
Just hasn't done enough this year. He has fumbled the ball at absolutely critical times this year and it may well cost him his career.
I think it's fair to compare him to Milne, and despite Milne's occasional brain fades he is simply more dangerous around goal. Krak will never kick 10 in a game...
It's sad to think that his career is on the wane, he seems a dedicated father & he has certainly given me moments of excitement during his career, he should get some good coin to play over in WA and he'd be a leading player over there.
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Yep finished and not before time.
More likely to be delisted at seasons end than picked up either.
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When I say WA I mean the WAFL.
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Must admit mt, that was the exact thought I had when I saw him in the 'outs'.
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David King on Krak's demotion...
David King said the axing of Krakouer, who played his 100th AFL match last week, did not signal an end to the 24-year-old’s career.
“We are certainly not putting anyone’s careers on the line or anything like that,” he explained.
“Selection is based on how your form is going and if it is not somewhere near your best then you are a chance to be replaced.”
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=44396
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Port Adelaide are after Krak according to today's Australian.
So what would we want in return in a trade for Krak?
Port Adelaide has also expressed an interest in Richmond forward Andrew Krakouer, who recently played his 100th game but has been in and out of the Tigers line-up this year.
He comes out of contract at the end of the season.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,22031878-2722,00.html
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strange, why would clubs be expressing an interest in a nobody at this stage.
Sure if it was talk about Judd, Riewoldt, Dal Santo and the sort it would make sense.
But why would anyone be talking about taking Krakourr at this stage ???
If port is interested I am willing to bundle in a PP or 2nd rounder to snare a higher 1st rounder
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ill drive him over if he wants.
Even help pack up his house for him.
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Maybe they saw how Rodan pulled his finger out and think Krak will too.
If he does, he'll have ppl after him from just about every corner of the country lol
When is his court case, anyone? Before or after the draft hahahaha!
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Maybe they saw how Rodan pulled his finger out and think Krak will too.
If he does, he'll have ppl after him from just about every corner of the country lol
When is his court case, anyone? Before or after the draft hahahaha!
Why dont you check your Andrew Krakouer dossier?
You have one on everyone else :whistle
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Maybe they saw how Rodan pulled his finger out and think Krak will too.
If he does, he'll have ppl after him from just about every corner of the country lol
When is his court case, anyone? Before or after the draft hahahaha!
Why dont you check your Andrew Krakouer dossier?
You have one on everyone else :whistle
Don't send ppl emails, Bull, spilling your guts!
And then don't stab someone in the back and expect them to be nice :-)
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As I've said before - this will end in tears :rollin
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this will end in tears
you watch, wherever he goes, port or otherwise, he will become an elite player
he would thrive at port, petty terry just has no idea how to coach him and where to play him
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I wasn't talking about Krak.... ;)
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strange, why would clubs be expressing an interest in a nobody at this stage.
Sure if it was talk about Judd, Riewoldt, Dal Santo and the sort it would make sense.
But why would anyone be talking about taking Krakourr at this stage ???
Krak's cousin Nathan is at Port. They've got two Cornes and two Burgoynes. Maybe Williams is after the Krakouer set. The Monopoly trading policy ;D.
If port is interested I am willing to bundle in a PP or 2nd rounder to snare a higher 1st rounder
Yep I think that'll be something we'll try with our PP.
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this will end in tears
you watch, wherever he goes, port or otherwise, he will become an elite player
he would thrive at port, petty terry just has no idea how to coach him and where to play him
it's not fair that Krak escapes criticism X
as much as Terry hasn't brought out the best in him, Krak clearly hasn't put in the hard yards to improve his fitness to be able to play 4 qtr in the mid.
Definitely agree that he is a talent and at best couple be a very good player, however wouldn't class him elite
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As I've said before - this will end in tears :rollin
Interesting comment mjs.
Back to the topic, Krak was nearly going to west coast last year, it is his preffered option in 2008. ;)
You heard it first on OER. 7th July 2007 ;)
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Back to the topic, Krak was nearly going to west coast last year, it is his preffered option in 2008. ;)
You heard it first on OER. 7th July 2007 ;)
Actually, I read it before on another forum ::)
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and the claws come out lol :lol
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Anyone reckon Staker has anything to offer us?
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Anyone reckon Staker has anything to offer us?
Dont mind him at all Ramps, great mark for his size and can play at either end of the ground.
Doubt WC would swap him for Krak though.
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IMO he does, but the weagles are going to ask for a top 20 pick which is a big no-no from me
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As I've said before - this will end in tears :rollin
Interesting comment mjs.
Back to the topic, Krak was nearly going to west coast last year, it is his preffered option in 2008. ;)
You heard it first on OER. 7th July 2007 ;)
what do you reckon they will be willing to part with
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Back to the topic, Krak was nearly going to west coast last year, it is his preffered option in 2008. ;)
You heard it first on OER. 7th July 2007 ;)
Actually, I read it before on another forum ::)
Seeing you want to be smart Moi, you might find I mentioned it in a post last year on OER. Thats right I am destablising the club sorry undermining the club ::)
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And I will futher add Moi, as of today, YES today, he preferred option is west coast.
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As I've said before - this will end in tears :rollin
Interesting comment mjs.
Back to the topic, Krak was nearly going to west coast last year, it is his preffered option in 2008. ;)
You heard it first on OER. 7th July 2007 ;)
what do you reckon they will be willing to part with
Would think a very late draft pick, eg round 4 ?
Wouldnt think his currency would be too high
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As I've said before - this will end in tears :rollin
Interesting comment mjs.
Back to the topic, Krak was nearly going to west coast last year, it is his preffered option in 2008. ;)
You heard it first on OER. 7th July 2007 ;)
what do you reckon they will be willing to part with
Would think a very late draft pick, eg round 4 ?
Wouldnt think his currency would be too high
pass then, not enough depth unless Neville finishes off brilliantly :thumbsup
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any interest in Brennan?
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dont know Bluey.
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poorly worder, is anyone here interested in Brennan. Carved it up tonite
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Brennan, plays one good game a month.
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same could be said for Polak but look at him now
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And I will futher add Moi, as of today, YES today, he preferred option is west coast.
YES, well that confirms the report I heard much earlier today ::)
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Trade him to Port for Rodan :lol
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antbody that thinks that krak has any trade curency is delusional.
He will be delisted be lucky to get another opportunity
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antbody that thinks that krak has any trade curency is delusional.
He will be delisted be lucky to get another opportunity
Same currency as Rodan was at the time he was delisted and picked up in draft, might be a tiny bit better
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jackstar, why would he want to go west???
they have a bounty on his head there, his life will be at risk if he decides to head home
i think u r fos, we all heard last trade period whispers about a trade to wce, but why the f would they want him
wce have enough small fwds and mids, and the ones they have can run all day, krak cant!!!
wce would never want him, and he wouldnt even go there because it would not be safe 4 his family
port adelaide is the place where he will go, choco tends to get the best out of indigenous players( rodan isnt indiginous but he is to fiji lol) nmaybe because choco is indiginous himself he can relate better and communicate better with them
you come out with all the bs statements but never back it up, dont worry im keeping a list of all ur rumours, and next yr i will post them all and add 1 million :thumbsup :shh ;)
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jackstar, why would he want to go west???
they have a bounty on his head there, his life will be at risk if he decides to head home
i think u r fos, we all heard last trade period whispers about a trade to wce, but why the f would they want him
wce have enough small fwds and mids, and the ones they have can run all day, krak cant!!!
wce would never want him, and he wouldnt even go there because it would not be safe 4 his family
port adelaide is the place where he will go, choco tends to get the best out of indigenous players( rodan isnt indiginous but he is to fiji lol) nmaybe because choco is indiginous himself he can relate better and communicate better with them
you come out with all the bs statements but never back it up, dont worry im keeping a list of all ur rumours, and next yr i will post them all and add 1 million :thumbsup :shh ;)
Look xXx
He wants to go back to western australia.
No rumour ,just fact
As for keeping a list go ahead.
your not the only poster here who keeps a dossier on posters ::)
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your not the only poster here who keeps a dossier on posters ::)
and some posters clearly need to GAL
;D
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antbody that thinks that krak has any trade curency is delusional.
He will be delisted be lucky to get another opportunity
Same currency as Rodan was at the time he was delisted and picked up in draft, might be a tiny bit better
thata what i am saying jack, rodan had no currency, he was delisted, and picked up in the 70s in the draft.
krak if anything will have less, he never did anything as a junior, rodan did ( he won 2 morrizsh medals ) and at least rodan was fit, krak never has been, and never will be
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antbody that thinks that krak has any trade curency is delusional.
He will be delisted be lucky to get another opportunity
Same currency as Rodan was at the time he was delisted and picked up in draft, might be a tiny bit better
thata what i am saying jack, rodan had no currency, he was delisted, and picked up in the 70s in the draft.
krak if anything will have less, he never did anything as a junior, rodan did ( he won 2 morrizsh medals ) and at least rodan was fit, krak never has been, and never will be
Agree!
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no dossier, just a memory like an elephant jack
maybe at yrs end u may need a new friend to feed u gossip, cos u will be proven wrong when terry sees out his contract and signs an extension
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An extension ::)
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he will be there next yr, and we will show more improvement , in yr 5, we will def make the finals, i reckon we will next yr
so yes they will give him an extension, the young kids will be stars by then
unlike the duds at the bombers
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The latest on Krak's court case from last week:
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Krakouer family back in court
West Australian
2nd July 2007, 14:45 WST
Richmond AFL footballer Andrew Krakouer, accused of bashing a man outside a Fremantle nightspot last year, could plead guilty to a lesser charge, according to his lawyer.
Andrew Krakouer, 24, his younger brother Tyrone George Krakouer, 22, and co-accused Elwyn Roger Colbung, 19, have been charged with grievous bodily harm.
The trio have been accused of bashing fellow Aboriginal man Justin Robin Martin, 24, in a brawl outside a Fremantle nightclub in December last year.
In Fremantle Magistrate’s Court today, Andrew Krakouer’s lawyer said he was in negotiations with the Director of Public Prosecutions’ office to downgrade the charge and indicated his client may plead guilty to a charge of assault occasioning bodily harm.
Magistrate Jacqueline Musk adjourned the case for further legal advice to July 30.
Also this morning, Tyrone Krakouer and Colbung pleaded not guilty to disorderly conduct over an alleged brawl in the courtroom waiting area with members of the victim’s family in May. A trial was scheduled for February.
This morning’s court appearance was incident-free but a heavy police and security presence was put in place to stop any repeat of violence between the feuding families.
Former AFL legend and convicted drug trafficker Jim Krakouer – father to both Andrew and Tyrone – was in court to support his younger son.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=33102
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AFL star Krakouer's charges upgraded
July 30, 2007 - 1:34PM
AAP
Charges have been upgraded against Richmond AFL star Andrew Krakouer, his brother and another man for allegedly bashing a man in Fremantle.
The 23-year-old Tigers player, his brother Tyrone Krakouer, 21, and Elwyn Roger Colbung, 19, had been charged with assault causing grievous bodily harm over the incident.
Police alleged the three men attacked 24-year-old Justin Robin Martin near a hotel in Fremantle, Western Australia, on December 22 last year.
In the Fremantle Magistrates Court on Monday, police prosector Jason Donaldson said the charges were being changed to the more serious intending to do assault occasioning bodily harm, which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail.
The top sentence for assault causing grievous bodily harm is 14 years.
Sergeant Donaldson did not tell the court why the charges were being upgraded.
Andrew Krakouer, who lives in Melbourne, was excused from appearing in court.
Lawyers for all three accused indicated their clients would be pleading not guilty.
"In the relation to Andrew Krakouer it is a plea of not guilty," his lawyer Michael Tudori told the court.
The matter has been referred to the District Court of Western Australia for October 22.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/AFL-star-Krakouers-charges-upgraded/2007/07/30/1185647798420.html
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the perth legal system is so red necked and racial its not funny
western australia has a long way to go , they just wanna lock up anyone who is aboriginal no matter what.
upgrade the charges and not even explain why, what a crock of shi t
no wonder why krak is having such a bad year, gotta fel for him, he has a legitimate excuse as to why his mind may be elsewhere and not on footy
unlike most his teammates who have no excuses
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Would we get compensation from the AFL if Krak went to the big house?
Could affect which way I want this to go.
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Would we get compensation from the AFL if Krak went to the big house?
Could affect which way I want this to go.
Good thinking lol
Be nice to get something out of Krak :thumbsup
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Has a trial date been set yet? Given how slow the courts are, the Club will probably have to make a decision about Krak's footy future first with the end of the season only 5 weeks away. This will cloud any trade discussion with another club.
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no wonder why krak is having such a bad year, gotta fel for him, he has a legitimate excuse as to why his mind may be elsewhere and not on footy
Actually, for once I agree with you.
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Has a trial date been set yet? Given how slow the courts are, the Club will probably have to make a decision about Krak's footy future first with the end of the season only 5 weeks away. This will cloud any trade discussion with another club.
Exactly, MT.
The next date is Oct 22, which is after trade week. I can't see how any club could trade for him in those circumstances.
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Not football related dont care
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Has a trial date been set yet? Given how slow the courts are, the Club will probably have to make a decision about Krak's footy future first with the end of the season only 5 weeks away. This will cloud any trade discussion with another club.
Exactly, MT.
The next date is Oct 22, which is after trade week. I can't see how any club could trade for him in those circumstances.
Cheers GB. Yep unless Krak's trial is brought forward before October he has zilch trade value. Port were interested in him but won't be now.
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Krakouer in limbo
02 September 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Ralph
RICHMOND is likely to defer any decision on troubled midfielder Andrew Krakouer's future at the club, with the West Australian due to appear in court on October 22.
The Tigers' season came to an end yesterday, with a number of players at the club facing the chop in a post-season review.
Krakouer has played nine games this season and only two since Round 9, with his form steadily deteriorating since he played some excellent trial games early on.
The 24-year-old has played the season with assault charges hanging over his head after a December incident in Perth, with the charges recently upgraded to assault intending to occasion bodily harm.
Those charges carry a maximum term of 20 years' jail.
While Krakouer would likely be dropped from the list on form alone, the club has done everything possible to support him in a tough year.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22346788%255E19742,00.html
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IIRC the cut-off date for delistings is Oct 31 which is after the court appearance so it won't interfer with that. However it's after trade week though in early Oct so he has no trade value even if he did or Port were still interested.
The players have their annual "chat" with Plough on Monday/Tuesday.
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The last of the uncontracted players is Krak.
He's had 7 years at Punt Rd and brought up his 100th game this year. Finished the year with 9 games, 6 goals at an average of 10.4 disposals.
Any fans of Krak still here or time to move him on?
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Hard one this.
Just not good enough this year.
What affect are these charges having ?
Should we give him next year after this mess is cleaned up, that is if he is not put away.
See how he responds with a clear head.
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He's 24-ish years old and should be a regular by now.
Gawn.
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1 year.
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Didn't do enough this year to warrant another contract with the club, or any AFL club for that matter. Should get a reasonable enough contract in the WAFL to feed his family with.
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Time for RFC and Krak to part ways.
Has been a contributor, but not a consistent performer.
Hope that Krak finds a place in the AFL somewhere, if not, hope that he continues to play footy somewhere as when he gets the pill he has the talent to do something with it.
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Time for RFC and Krak to part ways.
Has been a contributor, but not a consistent performer.
Hope that Krak finds a place in the AFL somewhere, if not, hope that he continues to play footy somewhere as when he gets the pill he has the talent to do something with it.
ditto
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He had his chances, he blew it.
No doubt Port or someone will pick him up and make him a star ::)
Certainly has a bit of potential but no heart
Cya!
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Yeah ...
if people think that we should get rid of him and not tivendale that is a massive joke ...
tivendale has been there longer then him and has done nothing ...
krakouer has more skill then tivendale would ever have ...
krakouer should be on an 1 year contract now ...
if he goes Tivendale should go ...
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Edwards has taken Krak's spot in the team. Pure FPs are a dying breed in the AFL which means the end for Krak IMO. Unlike Edwards, Krak doesn't have the engine to play AFL midfield.
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Gawn
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Yeah ...
if people think that we should get rid of him and not tivendale that is a massive joke ...
tivendale has been there longer then him and has done nothing ...
krakouer has more skill then tivendale would ever have ...
krakouer should be on an 1 year contract now ...
if he goes Tivendale should go ...
Precisely what exciting qualities ::) has Krak shown in the last couple of years to warrant another extension of his contract.
FFS haven't we had enough pain? He's sucked over $1 million out of our coffers for what?
NOTHIN!
In the words of Ox, FHO lol
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Yeah ...
if people think that we should get rid of him and not tivendale that is a massive joke ...
tivendale has been there longer then him and has done nothing ...
krakouer has more skill then tivendale would ever have ...
krakouer should be on an 1 year contract now ...
if he goes Tivendale should go ...
Tivendale can kick 55m drop punts. Krakouer can't kick over a jam tin after 100 games. As MT says, his spot is taken. It's Edwards' turn.
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l can tell you his out the door ;D
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He has been given more than enough chances to cement a place. Start of last season (2006) was looking ok but since then as done nothing.
He has to go to make way for the new tigers
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Edwards has taken Krak's spot in the team. Pure FPs are a dying breed in the AFL which means the end for Krak IMO. Unlike Edwards, Krak doesn't have the engine to play AFL midfield.
Spot on.
He's finished as an AFL player.
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Andrew Krakouer
‘Krak’s’ only played nine games this year and kicked just six goals in those games, so he’d be really disappointed with the season he had. I guess when you’ve got games under your belt at AFL level he just did not do enough and could not consolidate himself. However, in saying that, he went back to VFL level and did really well, and certainly during Coburg’s finals campaign was outstanding.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52313
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Andrew Krakouer
‘Krak’s’ only played nine games this year and kicked just six goals in those games, so he’d be really disappointed with the season he had. I guess when you’ve got games under your belt at AFL level he just did not do enough and could not consolidate himself. However, in saying that, he went back to VFL level and did really well, and certainly during Coburg’s finals campaign was outstanding.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52313
In a word NO
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Andrew Krakouer
‘Krak’s’ only played nine games this year and kicked just six goals in those games, so he’d be really disappointed with the season he had. I guess when you’ve got games under your belt at AFL level he just did not do enough and could not consolidate himself.However, in saying that, he went back to VFL level and did really well, and certainly during Coburg’s finals campaign was outstanding.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52313
Well you would say that wouldn't you, if you were trying to trade someone. Royal mentions that Kane Johnson had a big year both 'on and off the field';
an honest appraisal of Krak would've mentioned he had a very disappointing season, both on and off the field.
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The problems in WA with the court case and all means no other club would go near Krak even if he did have some trade value. It's ridiculous that for an incident that occurred in December last year, no decision either way has been made yet. It hasn't even got to trial yet thanks to our inefficient and bloated legal system ::).
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Speaking of court cases, Krak's one is coming up on Monday. Perhaps a reason we haven't announced our delistings yet.
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his going anyway
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his going anyway
Still it'll give em another reason to say why. :lol
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Case won't effect Krakouer's future
By Sam Lienert
October 19, 2007
An ongoing court case involving an assault charge against Richmond's Andrew Krakouer will not affect the AFL club's decision on whether or not to retain him, according to Tigers football director Greg Miller.
Krakouer faces a charge of intending to do assault occasioning bodily harm, which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail, over an incident in Fremantle, Western Australia in December last year.
The case will come before the Fremantle Magistrates Court for mention on Monday, when a trial date is expected to be set down for some time next year.
Also next week, Miller and Richmond coach Terry Wallace will sit down to discuss potential delistings. Krakouer, 24, who has played for seven seasons without reaching the heights hoped of him, is one name certain to be discussed.
But Miller said the pending assault trial would not have a bearing on their decision.
“I don't think it makes any difference either way,” Miller said.
“It's not being considered. He's being considered totally on his football, his ability to present on the footy field.
“He's been fantastic at this footy club, he's just grown from strength to strength over the years.
“I don't want to discuss the issue that's happening over in Perth but we'll support him, no matter what happens.”
Krakouer played just nine senior games this season, taking his career tally to 102, but only two of those came after round nine, as he spent most of the second half of the year in the VFL.
The court case hanging over his head might have been a factor affecting his form.
But Miller said it was likely that he would have to deal with the same issue if he was kept on in 2008, as the case could stretch on to the end of the season.
“He's got to go through the process in court, to go through the process in court it might be next August or September, I don't know how long it takes - these things don't get mentioned one day and heard the next,” he said.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22614666-23210,00.html
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The Herald-Sun title for the above article is "Krakouer may stay" :o
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22616527%255E20322,00.html
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“I don't think it makes any difference either way,” Miller said.
“It's not being considered. He's being considered totally on his football, his ability to present on the footy field.
No surprise but those two lines basically say Krak is gone. Otherwise it would make a difference if we wanted to keep him yet he was found guilty.
“He's got to go through the process in court, to go through the process in court it might be next August or September, I don't know how long it takes - these things don't get mentioned one day and heard the next,” he said.
What a joke our court system is if that's true. 20 months to make a final decision either way ::).
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Andrew Krakouer's assault case adjourned
October 22, 2007 - 2:29PM
Former Richmond AFL player Andrew Krakouer will have to plead to a serious assault charge next year.
The 23-year-old Tigers player, his brother Tyrone Krakouer, 21, and Elwyn Roger Colbung, 19, were charged last year with assault causing grievous bodily harm over an alleged bashing.
Police allege the three men attacked 24-year-old Justin Robin Martin near a hotel in Fremantle on December 22 last year.
In July, the charges were upgraded to the more serious charge of intending to do assault occasioning bodily harm, which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail.
At the time, Krakouer's lawyer said he intended to plead not guilty.
The matter was listed in the Western Australian District Court in Fremantle on Monday, but only Tyrone Krakouer and Colbung appeared.
Andrew Krakouer, who lives in Melbourne, was excused from appearing, instead reporting to the Preston police station, in Melbourne's northern suburbs.
Judge Julie Wager adjourned the case until February 5, when the three accused will be required to enter a plea.
Krakouer was one of three players delisted by Richmond on Monday.
The small forward struggled to hold down a regular senior berth for the Tigers this year, after playing 102 AFL games in seven seasons.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Andrew-Krakouers-assault-case-adjourned/2007/10/22/1192940962884.html
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Krakouer's career in doubt after delisting
Martin Blake | October 23, 2007
ANDREW Krakouer's AFL career may be over at just 24, after Richmond cut him yesterday.
"I think Andrew's career with us has been reasonable," said football director Greg Miller yesterday.
"He's had his highs and lows. His first half of this year was good; his second half wasn't as good. His form dropped away a bit. I hope he still gets a chance at another league club.
"He's been no problem for us. He's been a good clubman and he's played a few good games for our club. But I guess the bar gets higher, and the seven or eight games he played this year just wasn't enough to get another contract."
In at least one sense, Krakouer has had a difficult career since he was drafted by Richmond in 1999. Lack of size — he is only 176 centimetres and 76 kilograms — leaves him with only the small forward position as an option, and each side carries only one of those.
"The defensive pressure's so important," Miller said. "He makes every endeavour. He's good at it. But it's not an easy position to play."
Krakouer played 102 games in seven seasons for the Tigers, and kicked precisely the same number of goals.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/krakouers-career-in-doubt-after-delisting/2007/10/22/1192940985136.html
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Krakouer wants to return to WA
23 October 2007 Herald Sun
Gareth Trickey
DUMPED Richmond forward Andrew Krakouer has signalled his desire to return to his home state of Western Australia next season.
Krakouer's manager Liam Pickering said he would meet with the small forward tomorrow to discuss his pre-season draft prospects.
"He'd like to get back to Western Australia, I think, but that only leaves two clubs," Pickering said.
"He's got something to offer both West Coast and Fremantle, but I would have thought he's got something to offer 14 other clubs as well."
Krakouer played nine games for Richmond this year.
The former South Fremantle forward joined the Tigers in 2000, but battled to cement a spot in the senior side.
He celebrated his 100th game in Round 9 this year, but managed just two appearances in the second half of the season.
http://heraldsun.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22631397%255E20322,00.html
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As you all probably know Andrew Krakouer was recently delisted from Richmond. This is despite the fact that he played 102 games and kicked 102 goals. He is my favorite player for Richmond and I think it sux that he has been delisted. Are you an Andrew Krakouer fan like me? If you are then I need your help. I want to send a petition against his delisting to the director of the Richmond Football Club signed by Andrews fans. All you have to do is visit the link below and sign with your name and the suburb you live in (optional). Thanks.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/andrew-krakouer-delisting (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/andrew-krakouer-delisting)
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Pass, Whitetiger.
Andrew had many chances and sadly, he has moved on!
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Welcome to OER whitetiger. With serious assault charges hanging over his head, Krak's got more immediate concerns.
As for his footy - the modern game had passed by his type. He would've been more suited to his dad and uncle's era. Specialist forward pockets are a dying breed unless they can push up into the midfield rotation. Krak never had the engine or speed to play in the midfield. And once Shane Edwards, who has excellent endurance and speed, scored a spot in the team, that was the end for Krak.
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everyone on this sire knows i was a fan of krak , but the decision was fair. he just didnt do enough which is a sin, because he had all the talent and skill , but no desire to bust his arse and perform week in week out at an approprioate level.
the only issue i have is that there are other players who should have been axed along with him but never did
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As I've said before, at 24 or so years old, he should be a consistent performer in the AFL seniors. He had 5-6 seasons, that's long enough.
We can't keep these guys on the list if they're not going to help us improve.
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Welcome whitetiger
I know its tough when you lose your favourite player but the club has made a decision, a tough one to a degree and I appplaud them for. For a long time they've haven't made these type of decisions until it's a a couple of years too late.
the only issue i have is that there are other players who should have been axed along with him but never did
On this point I totally agree with you xXx. I reckon there would a couple of blokes on our list who have would be very relieved indeed
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whitetiger - a message of support and best wishes for the future to Andrew might be more constructive. :)
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Sad to see your favourite player finish up.
I was a fan of Hartigan & felt a little the same way.
The harsh reality is that both of these players will not take us anywhere near ultimate success.
I wish them well in the future.
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Welcome whitetiger
I know its tough when you lose your favourite player but the club has made a decision, a tough one to a degree and I appplaud them for. For a long time they've haven't made these type of decisions until it's a a couple of years too late.
the only issue i have is that there are other players who should have been axed along with him but never did
On this point I totally agree with you xXx. I reckon there would a couple of blokes on our list who have would be very relieved indeed
theses releived blokes better perform very well in 2008, cos if they dont, they will definately be gone at the end of 08
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Welcome whitetiger
I know its tough when you lose your favourite player but the club has made a decision, a tough one to a degree and I appplaud them for. For a long time they've haven't made these type of decisions until it's a a couple of years too late.
the only issue i have is that there are other players who should have been axed along with him but never did
On this point I totally agree with you xXx. I reckon there would a couple of blokes on our list who have would be very relieved indeed
theses releived blokes better perform very well in 2008, cos if they dont, they will definately be gone at the end of 08
Agree :thumbsup
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imo i also think these players have been "saved" for one more yr because its commonly thought that this yrs draft is weak and next yrs will be much stronger
so it would be a better strategic move to have a bigger clean out after next season than the one just passed
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imo i also think these players have been "saved" for one more yr because its commonly thought that this yrs draft is weak and next yrs will be much stronger
so it would be a better strategic move to have a bigger clean out after next season than the one just passed
Agree X. With such a shallow draft, finding a kid that makes it a AFL level after pick 30 will be like striking gold.
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imo i also think these players have been "saved" for one more yr because its commonly thought that this yrs draft is weak and next yrs will be much stronger
so it would be a better strategic move to have a bigger clean out after next season than the one just passed
Agree X. With such a shallow draft, finding a kid that makes it a AFL level after pick 30 will be like striking gold.
i dunno why people are putting down this draft. it may not be as strong as last but i'd expect the number of kids that make it will be similar to other years
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imo i also think these players have been "saved" for one more yr because its commonly thought that this yrs draft is weak and next yrs will be much stronger
so it would be a better strategic move to have a bigger clean out after next season than the one just passed
Agree X. With such a shallow draft, finding a kid that makes it a AFL level after pick 30 will be like striking gold.
i dunno why people are putting down this draft. it may not be as strong as last but i'd expect the number of kids that make it will be similar to other years
There have been some very astute picks come round 4 and 5 of the draft over the years. Look at blokes like James Hird get picked up at 79. I am sure there are others also after pick 50 or so just too late for me to think of them.
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imo i also think these players have been "saved" for one more yr because its commonly thought that this yrs draft is weak and next yrs will be much stronger
so it would be a better strategic move to have a bigger clean out after next season than the one just passed
Agree X. With such a shallow draft, finding a kid that makes it a AFL level after pick 30 will be like striking gold.
i dunno why people are putting down this draft. it may not be as strong as last but i'd expect the number of kids that make it will be similar to other years
I guess everyone is comparing it to last year's superdraft where kids like Westhoff and Goldsack walked into their club's respective 22 despite being late pick-ups. We got Connors at 58 and some phantom drafts like Weaver's had him top 10.
Recruiters are going to have to earn their money this year after pick 30.
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whitetiger - a message of support and best wishes for the future to Andrew might be more constructive. :)
Yeah already on that. Did that a few days ago.
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Not confirmed but Krak could end up playing for South Fremantle in the WAFL next year (subject to court case of course).
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Krak - best hands in the AFL.
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Krak - best hands in the WAFL.
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Krak - best hands in the AFL.
Best Hands in the Nik.
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Krak - best hands in the AFL.
too bad he couldnt run away from a snail
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LMAO.
Delisted 3 years too late IMO.
Never saw the alleged 'magic' he possessed.
I just saw a lazy one paced plodder who could tackle well because he was usually second to the ball.
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Krakouer coup for Swans
20th December 2007, 11:00 WST
Dumped Richmond forward Andrew Krakouer will get a chance to resurrect his career with Swan Districts in the WAFL as another chapter unfolds in the story of one of WA’s controversial football families.
Full article at: http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=12&ContentID=51707
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It has been reported that Andrew Krakouer has been given seven more weeks to negotiate with West Australian prosecutors his indictment over a serious assualt charge.
In July last year, the charges were upgraded to intending to assualt occasioning bodily harm which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail.
He is remanded until February 28.
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Thanks for that Mopsy. It says Andy is still going to plead not guilty so he's obviously going to fight the charge.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=145&ContentID=57279
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AFL star 'provoked by king-hit'
Warwick Stanley
June 10, 2008
A PERTH man who says he was attacked by former AFL star Andrew Krakoeur has admitted "king-hitting" him when the pair first crossed paths some years ago.
Justin Martin, 24, told the District Court in Perth today that in 2001 he had struck the footballer at a Fremantle nightclub shortly after Krakoeur had joined the Richmond club in Melbourne.
Mr Martin said he had thrown the punch without warning amid a long-standing feud between female members of his own family and the Krakoeur clan.
He said when the pair next met outside a Fremantle nightclub in December 2006, Krakoeur had challenged him to a fight, recalling the king-hit and saying "let's sort it out now".
Andrew Krakoeur, 24, his brother Tyrone Krakoeur, 22 and their cousin Elwyn Colbung, 20, have each pleaded not guilty to a charge of assaulting Martin with intent to cause bodily harm.
The charge carries a maximum penalty of 20 years jail.
The prosecution alleges the three carried out a brutal attack on Mr Martin in a Fremantle carpark, kicking him around the head and upper body after the fight outside the nightclub.
The badly injured Mr Martin had a seizure after being taken to hospital, probably as a result of the beating, prosecutor Bruno Fiannaca has told the court.
Cross-examined today by John Prior for Krakoeur, Mr Martin agreed his sister Carly had said "make him pee", which meant take him on, after Andrew Krakoeur had challenged him to a fight.
He said he told Krakoeur "You play AFL", knowing that he played for Richmond, to which Krakoeur had replied "I don't give a stuff".
He said they had then taken off their shirts and that Krakoeur had thrown the first punch, before they exchanged blows to the body and head.
He had tried to flee after he had fallen to the ground and Tyrone had kicked him in the head after what he said to that point had been a "fair fight".
Mr Martin said he had jumped over a railway fence and ended up in a car park, where he had been attacked by the three men.
He said he had struck Andrew Krakouer in the face when he had been trapped between cars and was "left with no option".
"I went into a position on the ground. I felt blows to my body and head. For a while I covered up," he said.
"Then after a while, (when I was on the ground), I could see Andrew."
Mr Martin said he did not remember seeing Andrew strike him before he lost consciousness.
He said he only remembered being taken away in an ambulance and waking up in hospital.
Under questioning by Mr Prior, Mr Martin admitted to convictions for aggravated assault and aggravated burglary.
The three accused remain on bail and the hearing continues.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23842594-5005961,00.html
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wow - seven years in the system as an elite sportsman and at the end of it he's still behaving like a bogan. Very sad.
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Krakouer guility of assault
abc.net.au
Posted 25 minutes ago
The former Richmond AFL player Andrew Krakouer has been found guilty of bashing another man in a fight in a Fremantle car park.
24-year-old Krakouer and his brother Tyrone were convicted of charges relating to an assault on 24-year-old Justin Martin in December 2006.
A third man was found not guilty of involvement in the assault.
Krakouer is the son of Jimmy Krakouer who spent years in jail for drug offences.
More to come......................
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/18/2278955.htm?site=perth
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Jury convicts Krakouer over assault
West Australian
18th June 2008, 16:15 WST
A District Court jury took three hours to convict former Richmond footballer Andrew Krakouer and his younger brother over a brutal attack in a carpark two years ago.
Andrew Krakouer, 24, was this afternoon convicted of the more serious charge against him of doing an act with intent which endangered the life, health or safety of another person.
His younger brother Tyrone Krakouer, 22, was convicted of the alternative charge of doing an act which endangers the life, health or safety of another person.
Their cousin, Elwyn Roger Colbung, 20, was aquitted on both charges.
Some Krakouer family members wept in court after the verdict was handed down.
District Court Judge Kate O'Brien said that the brothers were unlikely to receive non custodial sentences.
Prosecutor Bruno Fiannaca described Andrew Krakouer's attack in which he punched and kicked Justin Martin, 24, in a carpark near Mews Road on December 22, 2006, as "cowardly and vicious".
The trial had heard that Mr Martin suffered a fractured eye socket, cuts and bruises.
He later had kidney failure due to complications but recovered.
The Krakouer brothers have both been remanded in custody and are due to be sentenced on July 30.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=79628
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sad,really sad.
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It is sad isn't it. Krak's possibly facing 20 years in jail going by the following link :o.
Criminal Code Amendment Bill (No. 2) 2000
Part 4 Amendments about endangering life or healths.
20
page 14
(2) If a person, with an intent to harm, omits to do any act that it is the person’s duty to do, or does any act, as a result of which —
(a) bodily harm is caused to any person; or
(b) the life, health or safety of any person is or is likely to be endangered,
the person is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 20 years
http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parliament/bills.nsf/05D1F42BB5F84D324825695A0022283C/$File/Bill017-1B.pdf
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It is sad isn't it. Krak's possibly facing 20 years in jail going by the following link :o.
Criminal Code Amendment Bill (No. 2) 2000
Part 4 Amendments about endangering life or healths.
20
page 14
(2) If a person, with an intent to harm, omits to do any act that it is the person’s duty to do, or does any act, as a result of which —
(a) bodily harm is caused to any person; or
(b) the life, health or safety of any person is or is likely to be endangered,
the person is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 20 years
http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parliament/bills.nsf/05D1F42BB5F84D324825695A0022283C/$File/Bill017-1B.pdf
He must have a pooh legal team.
Half of the jest of the actual charge sounds as though it were written
to prevent medical malpractice,not to be applied to a common assault.
Why not the normal assault charge ?
Did they even try and appeal the severity of the charge ?
It really is a stuff king joke.
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I think he was orginally charged with assult []())([]... but it was upgraded after they received a medical report or something.
What a mess :-\
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I think he was orginally charged with assult []())([]... but it was upgraded after they received a medical report or something.
What a mess :-\
Yep you're right WP.
The word "intent" alters the sentence length from 5 years up to 20 years going by the above link. His brother was convicted of the lesser charge.
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Andrew Krakouer faces a possible prison sentence
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23885062-661,00.html
FORMER AFL star Andrew Krakouer faces a possible prison sentence after being found guilty of assaulting a Perth man with intent to do him bodily harm.
A District Court jury in Perth today returned a guilty verdict against the 24-year-old former Richmond footballer, while also finding his brother, Tyrone Krakouer, 22, guilty of assault.
The three had pleaded not guilty to assaulting Justin Martin, 24, in a Fremantle carpark in December 2006.
The prosecution alleged they had kicked him around the head and upper body after a fight outside a nearby nightclub.
The badly injured Mr Martin had a seizure after being taken to hospital following the attack.
Both Andrew Krakouer and his brother, who have been on bail, were remanded in custody and will be sentenced on July 30.
Justice Kate O'Brien ordered Andrew to undergo a psychological assessment, while she said Tyrone Krakouer should be given "time to think about his motivations."
She ordered a pre-sentence report on Tyrone Krakouer.
She said she was "not persuaded at this stage that a non-custodial disposition is a likelihood''.
"Each of you will be remanded ... it is still a mystery to me as to why you went over the top that night," she said.
"There must be some underlying issues there."
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Our legal system is seriously screwed!! :banghead Krak could get 20 years for what he did and Mark Galante who planned his wife's murder in advance and then shot his then pregnant wife in the back of the head in front of their young child and then dumped her body in the bush and cried and pleaded on National television for someone to find her only gets 27.....yes 27 F@#&ing years!!!!
An absolute disgrace!!!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Calm down Tiga - you never know what goes into these decisions unless you are in court to hear.
I asked a barrister friend in Perth who does most of his work for Aboriginal Legal Service what he thought Krak would get - he said 18 months with parole - but that's of course only his opinion.
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mjs I'm more passionate about the Galante case than Krak's. He should have gotten life. Premeditated murderers should be locked up forever! He terminated 2 lives with his gutless act even though the courts can only officially recognise one. I know Krak won't do anywhere near 20 if any at all but to only have 7 years difference between them makes you wonder whatever happend to "term of natural life" sentences for such heinous crimes. I'm not attempting to hikack this thread, I just felt that 20 years for Krak and 27 years for Galante just doesn't make sense. You don't have to be in court to know that Galante SHould be locked up forever!!!
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Andrew Krakouer jailed for nightclub attack
Todd Cardy, court reporter
July 30, 2008 10:15am
FORMER AFL star Andrew Krakouer has been jailed for a minimum of 16 months for a vicious and brutal assault outside a Fremantle nightclub.
District Court Judge Kate O'Brien today sentenced the 25-year-old former Richmond Tiger for assault causing bodily harm to 24-year-old Justin Martin by kicking him in the head and upper body during a fight on December 22 2006.
Krakouer was sentenced to 4 years jail but that term was cut to 32 months under the state's Truth in Sentencing laws.
He is eligible for parole in 16 months with the term backdated to June 18 this year.
Judge O'Brien described the assault as "vicious and cowardly" and said people going about their daily lives in Fremantle did not deserve to see such "mindless violence".
A large number of personal references were today submitted to the court on Krakouer's behalf, including a full statement from the Richmond Tigers football team, which detailed his leadership skills and mentoring abilities.
She said that from the evidence it appeared that Andrew Krakouer had acted "out of character".
"The attack was unprovoked, persistent and brutal … It seems to be out of your nature, Andrew Krakouer," Judge O'Brien said.
Before the sentence was handed down Krakouer made a personal statement to the judge telling her that he was remorseful for his actions and that he wished he could take it back.
"I am sorry and I would certainly change what happened but I can't," Krakouer told the court. "It has been devastating for my family … I am so remorseful."
The court heard that an immediate jail sentence would be devastating for his football career.
"Football provided a stable influence on your life and without this you anticipate life may prove challenging for you", Judge O'Brien said.
Krakouer's famous footballing father Jimmy Krakouer sat in the public gallery to watch his son be sentenced today.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,24100336-5005401,00.html
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Leon Davis salutes jailed Andrew Krakouer
Jon Ralph | September 08, 2008
LEON Davis yesterday revealed his handcuffs imitation against Adelaide was a tribute to jailed friend Andrew Krakouer.
Former Richmond footballer Krakouer was jailed for a minimum of 16 months in late July after being found guilty of assaulting a man outside a Fremantle nightclub.
But while Krakouer's AFL career is over, Davis sent him a message of support on national TV after a first-quarter goal.
He crossed his hands in what was initially believed to be a reference to his children Shakari and Levi, whose names he has tattooed on his wrists.
But yesterday he said he was supporting Krakouer, whose father Jim was jailed for drug offences.
"I got a phone call from a good mate of mine, Andy Krakouer, before the game. So I had a chat to him and he asked me to do something for him. So I put the wrists together," Davis told Triple M.
"He is in prison back in WA and I thought I would so something for him, which was good."
Davis said Krakouer was in good spirits and was being supported by his younger brother Tyrone, also in jail for his part in the assault.
"He was pretty upbeat. He is in there with his brother, so he said it's not too bad, and he won't be there much longer. It was good to have a chat to him," Davis said.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24308933-19742,00.html
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i have no sympathy for these fools who go around hitting people.
lock him up and throw away the key.
krackour=loser
like father like.............
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Leon Davis says jailed Andrew Krakouer is still his mate
Jon Ralph | February 26, 2009
While Ben Cousins' Richmond debut will capture the limelight at Telstra Dome tonight, Leon Davis will continue to pay tribute to close friend and jailed ex-Tiger Andrew Krakouer.
In a rare interview, Davis yesterday revealed he and Richmond's Richard Tambling were in regular contact with Krakouer, who was jailed in July for four years for serious assault.
Davis honoured Krakouer in September after talking to him on the phone before the elimination final against Adelaide at AAMI Stadium.
After kicking a goal, Davis lifted his wrists as though handcuffed, a salute to his friend.
While the football world's focus has switched to Cousins, another Perth boy once in trouble with the law, Davis says Krakouer may be out of jail as early as this year.
Tonight, on-field rivals Davis and Tambling will continue to honour Krakouer by doing what they know best: displaying their wondrous indigenous talent.
Davis speaks with Krakouer every week, and said he was bearing up well in prison.
"He is a really good mate of mine. Even though we are both from West Australia, I met him over here and went from there," Davis said.
"We hung out a lot, just doing the same things.
"He gives me a phone call once a week and we chat about how he's going and how I am going. He's going really good in there. He's not too bad.
"He's making the best of it. It was pretty unfortunate what happened to him."
A placid, popular player with two young daughters, Krakouer was at Richmond when he became involved in a long-running family feud in December 2006.
Back in Perth in the off-season, he and brother Tyrone assaulted a man so badly the man ended up in a coma.
In July, Krakouer was found guilty of assault with intent to cause bodily harm. His minimum term of 16 months expires at the end of November.
"Hopefully he gets out soon and can move on," Davis said.
"He keeps in contact with most of the boys, like Richard Tambling. All of his mates he still calls regularly."
Davis is yet to visit him, but hoped to soon.
Krakouer was recently moved from the maximum security Albany prison, 400km south of Perth, to Acacia prison, 50km east of Perth and halfway to Davis's home town of Northam.
Davis's handcuffs tribute in September came after Krakouer phoned him just before the Magpies ran out against the Crows.
He said Krakouer saw it and was blown away.
"The funny thing was he rang me and we were just warming up for the game," Davis said.
"I answered my phone and just then everyone started warming up in the changerooms.
"I had a bit of a chat to him, then said, 'I have to go', and he started apologising and said he didn't know we were playing.
"So I said, 'I will do something for you today if I kick a goal'. I didn't think much of it and then a week later he rang me and said he loved it."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25107430-19742,00.html
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iIthought it was a bull poo article by an idiot in davis
Anyone who classifies Krackour as a mate deserves to be ridiculed in the public forum.
Krackour is a thug and is one of the reasons why this world is so messed up. a fu.ckin loser actually who like his other thug mates should be locked up for life.
This country doesn't need his type maybe after he gets out of jail he can go hang out with his other thug mates and sniff petrol or something.
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I have mates who have been to jail and I stick by them whether i condone what they have done or not.
That's what being a mate is about.
Glad i don't have any ,"mates" like you champ!!
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fwiw,i hate Leon Davis also.
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I have mates who have been to jail and I stick by them whether i condone what they have done or not.
That's what being a mate is about.
Glad i don't have any ,"mates" like you champ!!
thats fine each to their own but im sick of thugs like him roaming the streets just punching people because they feel like it.
Best thing they did was lock him up. Next thing they should do is throw away the key
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thats fine each to their own but im sick of thugs like him roaming the streets just punching people because they feel like it.
I am not too sure of the actual circumstances and history of AK, but wasn't this a one-off that he committed, I don't think your description of AK as an serial assualter really applies in this case. Not that it in anyway excuses his actions BTW.
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From what I seem to of heard along the way, wasn't it a bit of eye for an eye type of stuff (Tribal law as you may).
And when the biatch got his back, as usually is the case with these types that talk the talk ! When it comes to the crunch squeal like little biatches .... :help
Don't think Andy was the type that walked the street looking for trouble.
My perception only though
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Footy a release for Krakouer
Crackers Keenan | Inside Football
It has been well documented that Andrew Krakouer has been incarcerated in Western Australia after being found guilty of assault charges. The authorities allowed him to play in a local Sunday competition last week and, playing in midfield, he kicked 11 goals. Swan Districts, which has been very supportive of him during his time in jail, has a place waiting for him when he is released in the middle of the year. Over the years there have been numerous footballers who have gone to jail, been released at weekends and starred in local competitions. Although I do recall the famous story of one who jumped the fence at the end of a game and escaped. Years ago I took some players from a prison team for a training run at Tatura. I hope Krakouer comes out and resumes his footy with Swan Districts as he still has something to offer.
http://insidefootballonline.com/crackers.html
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Years ago I took some players from a prison team for a training run at Tatura.
Probably the psych wing if Crackers was there.
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Footballer Andrew Krakouer let out to lead prison team
Chris Leitch
May 26, 2009
JAILED former Richmond footballer Andrew Krakouer is let out of Wooroloo prison on weekends to play in the prison's football team.
Krakouer's team is so good its average winning margin is 154 points - and his weekend games are all in the name of rehabilitation.
Krakouer, who played 102 games for the Tigers before being jailed for a minimum 16 months last year for a brutal assault outside a Fremantle nightclub in 2006, is proving to be the star of the team of inmates that is undefeated in the suburban Mercantile Football League.
The Wooroloo Bombers are so good, in fact, they are yet to score less than 151 points in a single game.
Prison recreation officer Dave Brown said there were several players who would "walk into WAFL football, they are that good".
The Bombers are one of several prison sporting teams allowed out on weekends to compete in local competitions.
Inmates must satisfy stringent security checks and display exemplary behaviour before they can be considered to play football, basketball or soccer outside the prison gates.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,27574,25539362-2761,00.html
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Anger as Krakouer is let out of jail to play footy
Amanda O'Brien | May 27, 2009
DISGRACED former AFL footballer Andrew Krakouer -- who was jailed last year for a vicious assault -- has been leaving prison at weekends to play football in a suburban competition.
West Australian prison authorities yesterday defended letting the former Richmond forward and son of North Melbourne AFL player and convicted drug trafficker, Jimmy Krakouer, leave jail to star in the prison football team, the Wooroloo Bombers.
The team is undefeated in the local Mercantile league and has never scored fewer than 151 points in a game.
Krakouer, 26, played 102 AFL games for Richmond before being delisted in 2007.
He was jailed for 32 months last July and ordered to serve at least 16 months behind bars for what judge Kate O'Brien called a vicious and cowardly attack on 24-year-old Justin Martin.
The attack, for which his brother Tyrone Krakouer was also jailed, left Martin with a broken eye socket and extensive cuts and bruises, triggering a pre-existing kidney condition that caused a seizure and put Martin in intensive care on dialysis for a fortnight.
Jimmy Krakouer, who missed most of his son's games with the Tigers because he was serving 8 1/2 years for drug trafficking, was in court last year to see both his sons jailed. He said at the time he did not know if Andrew would play football again.
Jean Wilby, from the West Australian Homicide Victims Support Group, said it was frustrating to see people convicted of violent crimes treated so leniently by the prison system.
"This is somebody who is supposed to be serving a penalty for a serious crime and yet they're allowed to still participate in normal life. It just seems a bit of a farce," she told The Australian. "This was obviously not a homicide but it is frustrating that people are allowed out to do the normal things, the pleasure things, when they're supposed to be serving a penalty."
Wooroloo Prison recreation officer Dave Brown did not return calls yesterday but is believed to have told a Community Newspaper Group journalist at the weekend that some of his inmates would "walk into WAFL football, they are that good".
Prison spokeswoman Vicki Bell said prisoners were only allowed outside if they were assessed as presenting a low risk to public safety.
She said the footballers were supervised and had to follow standards of behaviour "expected both by the community and the Department of Corrective Services".
"Deviation from these standards or any anti-social behaviour will result in removal from S95 participation and the prisoner may be subject to a prison charge and a security upgrade," she said.
News of the outings yesterday triggered a string of online complaints about "farcical" punishments, including one parent who said she was "horrified" to see a prison van arrive at Sunday's game while a junior game was in progress.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25543285-5012432,00.html
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Kiss of life for jailed Andrew Krakouer
Jon Ralph | August 07, 2009 11:30pm
RICHMOND and the AFL Players' Association are determined to help jailed former Tiger Andrew Krakouer successfully return to society.
Krakouer, convicted of assault, is serving the last few months of his sentence in Wooroloo Prison, and is eligible for parole later this year.
He was jailed in June last year after attacking a man as part of a long-running family feud.
He was sentenced to 32 months, with a minimum of 16, which means he will be eligible for release from October.
He recently attracted controversy for being part of the prison's football team that played in a suburban league.
WAFL club Swan Districts has kept in close touch with 26-year-old Krakouer and has committed to taking him next season.
Richmond and the AFLPA have also been in constant contact.
Richmond chief executive Gary March said yesterday Krakouer would be welcomed back into the Tigers fold.
"We remain supportive of Andrew.
" There are people, both still at the club and who have left the club in Greg Miller and Danny Frawley, who have had a lot to do with Andrew and have been fantastic in supporting him," he said.
"He will always be a welcome past player at the Richmond footy club.
"With what we are setting up with our indigenous academy, if there is any way we can assist him when he gets out, we would be more than happy to help Andrew to rehabilitate himself into society again."
AFLPA transition services manager Mark Porter said yesterday that Krakouer still had access to the player union's full range of services.
"It's a difficult time for anyone to go through something like that. He is eligible for our services, as a past player, and eligible for workplace grants for three years after he finishes his football," Porter said.
"Certainly, we have got our work experience programs that would be useful for Andy. It's not to say that people won't treat him like they would anyone else, but in reality he might need to get a foot in the door."
Porter said playing in the WAFL would help Krakouer ease back into society.
Krakouer, whose father Jim served a 16-year jail term for drug trafficking, has accepted his guilt and is determined to blend back into society.
He has two children with wife Barbara and played 102 games with Richmond.
Krakouer recently kicked 16 goals in a match for Wooroloo.
His brother Tyrone, also jailed but since released for his involvement in the assault, said his brother loved football.
"Playing in the team helps with his rehab back into the community," Tyrone said. "I . . . watch him every Sunday. I see him in jail, too, but this is much better."
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,25899379-5016212,00.html
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No bars, no glory for Andrew Krakouer
Anthony Deceglie | August 22, 2009
THE price of freedom for jailed former AFL footballer Andrew Krakouer might be a spot in a grand final.
Krakouer, 26, who is the son of North Melbourne legend Jimmy Krakouer, is the star player for the Bombers, who represent Wooroloo Prison Farm in the Mercantile Football Association.
He was jailed for 32 months in July 2008 for an attack on a 24-year-old man outside a Fremantle nightclub.
He will be eligible for parole in a month.
The Bombers are undefeated and clear favourites for the grand final on September 20.
Phil Krakouer, Andrew's uncle and also a former North Melbourne champion, said yesterday his nephew was due to be released soon and could miss the big game because he would no longer be a prisoner.
Claims of rough play against the Wooroloo Bombers were raised mid-season after alleged threats of violence against opposition players.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25968254-19742,00.html
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KRAKOUER'S DOUBLE WIN
Sunday Herald Sun, 27-09-2009, Pg: 16
A DAY after his grand final victory with Western Australia's Wooroloo Prison Farm football team, Andrew Krakouer had another win.
The former Richmond AFL star was told during the week that he would be released on parole next month.
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Did anyone see the excerpt from the Roberta Williams 'autobiography', where it said that Andy Krakouer was at Carl and Roberta's wedding?
I thought Krak was supposedly being mentored by Danny Frawley I wonder what Spud thought of that.
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Former AFL star Andrew Krakouer's rehabilitation through football will take another step tomorrow when he lines up against West Coast premiership stars Daniel Kerr, Darren Glass and Andrew Embley in a club scratch match at Subiaco Oval.
http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/eagles-to-help-krakouers-return-from-prison-20100202-nas1.html
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why are they in jail??
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Another Krak at AFL for Andrew Krakouer
Sam Edmund
Herald Sun
May 17, 2010
ANDREW Krakouer is poised to make an extraordinary return to AFL.
The former Richmond goalsneak, who spent more than a year in a West Australian jail for assault before he was released on parole in August, is dominating for WAFL club Swan Districts.
Krakouer's form eight matches into the season is so good that WA footy watchers regard him a certainty to get back on an AFL list by the end of the year.
The 27-year-old has already attracted interest from several AFL clubs as the footy world wakes up to the mature-age recruiting goldmine.
Krakouer, who played 102 games for the Tigers from 2001-2007, is averaging 25 disposals, four marks and six tackles a game, while helping himself to 13 goals.
He is a raging favourite for the Sandover Medal as best player in the WAFL.
Krakouer yesterday told the Herald Sun he had not let go of his AFL dream.
"Over the last couple of years there has been a few mature-age boys picked up and that certainly puts a different light on it," Krakouer said.
"A lot of people think once you hit your early 20s or mid-20s you haven't got a chance, but you never know what can happen.
"But something like that, if it was to happen, is a long way off. If something eventuates down the track I'll have to look at it and reassess it. I've just got to play my part for the team and make sure I keep doing what I'm doing."
Krakouer is working for Swan Districts full-time, mentoring indigenous youth in the Pilbara.
But he admitted returning to football after serving 11 months in Wooroloo Prison Farm, outside Perth, had caused him some anxiety.
"I obviously played a little bit of footy (in prison), but the competition wasn't the best.
"It was touch and go to see how it was going to pan out, but it's been very nice to step back into it, the transition has been nice and smooth and I've been able to have a bit of an impact which is good."
One AFL recruiter said Krakouer deserved the chance to resurrect his career.
"Gee, he is playing really good footy, there's no doubt about that. He's on fire," he said. "I hope he gets another opportunity. He should."
Gold Coast would appear Krakouer's most likely chance of a resurrection. The club's chief recruiter Scott Clayton was in WA last weekend. Clayton was reluctant to comment yesterday, only saying the Gold Coast was "appraising players all across the country".
Swan Districts football manager Matthew Peach said:
"He's just a step above WAFL footy, quite probably a few steps above WAFL footy, to be honest."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/another-krak-at-afl-for-andrew-krakouer/story-e6frf9jf-1225867469520
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Apparently Andy K is tearing it up and raising some interest as a potential mature age recruit.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/another-krak-at-afl-for-andrew-krakouer/story-e6frf9jf-1225867469520
Another Krak at AFL for Andrew Krakouer
* Sam Edmund
* From: Herald Sun
* May 17, 2010 12:00AM
Andrew Krakouer
Former Richmond goalsneak Andrew Krakouer. Source: Herald Sun
ANDREW Krakouer is poised to make an extraordinary return to AFL.
The former Richmond goalsneak, who spent more than a year in a West Australian jail for assault before he was released on parole in August, is dominating for WAFL club Swan Districts.
Krakouer's form eight matches into the season is so good that WA footy watchers regard him a certainty to get back on an AFL list by the end of the year.
The 27-year-old has already attracted interest from several AFL clubs as the footy world wakes up to the mature-age recruiting goldmine.
Krakouer, who played 102 games for the Tigers from 2001-2007, is averaging 25 disposals, four marks and six tackles a game, while helping himself to 13 goals.
He is a raging favourite for the Sandover Medal as best player in the WAFL.
Krakouer yesterday told the Herald Sun he had not let go of his AFL dream.
"Over the last couple of years there has been a few mature-age boys picked up and that certainly puts a different light on it," Krakouer said.
"A lot of people think once you hit your early 20s or mid-20s you haven't got a chance, but you never know what can happen.
"But something like that, if it was to happen, is a long way off. If something eventuates down the track I'll have to look at it and reassess it. I've just got to play my part for the team and make sure I keep doing what I'm doing."
Krakouer is working for Swan Districts full-time, mentoring indigenous youth in the Pilbara.
But he admitted returning to football after serving 11 months in Wooroloo Prison Farm, outside Perth, had caused him some anxiety.
"I obviously played a little bit of footy (in prison), but the competition wasn't the best.
"It was touch and go to see how it was going to pan out, but it's been very nice to step back into it, the transition has been nice and smooth and I've been able to have a bit of an impact which is good."
One AFL recruiter said Krakouer deserved the chance to resurrect his career.
"Gee, he is playing really good footy, there's no doubt about that. He's on fire," he said. "I hope he gets another opportunity. He should."
Gold Coast would appear Krakouer's most likely chance of a resurrection. The club's chief recruiter Scott Clayton was in WA last weekend. Clayton was reluctant to comment yesterday, only saying the Gold Coast was "appraising players all across the country".
Swan Districts football manager Matthew Peach said:
"He's just a step above WAFL footy, quite probably a few steps above WAFL footy, to be honest."
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I'd love to see Andy back in the AFL, hopefully at Tigerland.
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I'd love to see Andy back in the AFL, hopefully at Tigerland.
i doubt thats part of the plan. Indeed, why dont we get Frawley as well, and Billy Nicholls and that idiot Royce Vardy
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As much as it would be a great story and great to see him back our focus should be no older than 24 years old.
I'm glad he has 100 games at Tigerland. Someone give the main some heat lol.
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I'd love to see Andy back in the AFL, hopefully at Tigerland.
I hope that's a joke
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I'd love to see Andy back in the AFL, hopefully at Tigerland.
That is systematically the craziest I have read on this forum especially with the path Hardwick has chosen to take with regards to recruiting. The chances of that hapenning are about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000./1 and that is being generous.
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I'd love to see Andy back in the AFL, hopefully at Tigerland.
:gobdrop :gobdrop
:nope :nope :nope
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You're a bit harsh there Bill. ;)
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You're a bit harsh there Bill. ;)
Not really
I just don't see any benefit for either party to be honest.
If Krak was to play AFL again it would be in his best interests for it to be at another club
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As a romantic notion only would i like to see him return to Richmond.
Realistically he needs to go to another club, GC could suit him well i think.
I just wish him all the best if that is what he wants to do and it come to fruition for him.
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No! >:(
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Didn't quite catch that Torch.
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out and out dud always was and still is. if someones silly enough to pick him up good luck to em they will need it.
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Vossy is his best bet.
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Vossy is his best bet.
Nah I would have thought Sheeds & GWS
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Why do we always let these gun players go
Our recruiting sux, we let go of the wrong players and hold on to the duds like Riewoldt.
Krak will come back and bite us big time when he gets drafted by Port Adelaide.
Signed The Guest
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SWAN Districts midfielder Andrew Krakouer has taken out the WAFL's most prestigious individual award, the Sandover Medal, to mark an outstanding return to football.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/swan-districts-midfielder-andrew-krakouer-wins-2010-sandover-medal/story-e6frg1wu-1225921620274
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Has found his level.
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Has found his level.
So true!
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Has found his level.
maybe he did 1000 push ups every day in jail?
krak always had alot of abilty. he was too small and didnt get the pill enough, but he had wonderful hands
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we should get a compo pick if he gets drafted, or at least some t-shirts from Wooroloo Prison
well done on the sandover krak :thumbsup
always thought it was his application both mental and physical that let him down at AFL level, be interesting to see if he can make the step back up
worth a spot on someone's rookie list as much as jpod or relton roberts
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loved his tackles, wrist clamp, hip, twist.
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f u guys are toools
krak always had the ability, just need to increase his fitness and mature in th ebody
he is a very skillfull player and i hope we get him back
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f u guys are toools
krak always had the ability, just need to increase his fitness and mature in th ebody
Actually he needed to increase his speed and work rate. Hopefully he's done the 2nd, but the 1st is genetic and he simply doesn't have the speed to be a small forward. Sure he may be able to play midfield in the WAFL now with increased fitness, but at his age can he step up another level of fitness to play midfield in the AFL? I doubt it.
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speed and work rate
ffs work rate is all to due with fintess attitude and mature
speed , u r a tool, he was not slow, he just made it look easy as he had time, all guns have time, he was silky and the ball stuck to his hands
guys who can read the play and understand the game dont have to be speedy gonzales
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very very slow and for his position ie crumbing fwd you need to be explosive, he ain't. No way we should even look at him,
as MM said, has found his level
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speed and work rate
ffs work rate is all to due with fintess attitude and mature
I'd say fitness is due to work rate, but not vice versa. To get fitter you have to work harder, it's about pushing yourself to the limit.
speed , u r a tool, he was not slow, he just made it look easy as he had time, all guns have time, he was silky and the ball stuck to his hands
Very very slow, accellerated like he was wearing ugg boots in mud
guys who can read the play and understand the game dont have to be speedy gonzales
I haven't seen many slow small forwards play the game
Edited to correct quote
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f u guys are toools
krak always had the ability, just need to increase his fitness and mature in th ebody
he is a very skillfull player and i hope we get him back
Gawd I don't.
Get some perspective please. The WAFL is not the AFL.
Ezra Poyas was a gun at the lower levels as well.
We have moved on from the (extremely frustrating) days of Krakouer.
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he'd provide more value on the rookie list than relton roberts
also it'd be nice if he could knock his missus up with a son
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he'd provide more value on the rookie list than relton roberts
also it'd be nice if he could knock his missus up with a son
geez how true.
if we gave that slob a chance then there is no reason why Krak cant be given one.
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good luck to the kid. :thumbsup
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ANDREW Krakouer topped off his amazing return to football by kicking the winning goal to hand Swan Districts a thrilling one-point Grand Final win at Subiaco Oval.
The Sandover medallist snapped from 30m out at the 33-minute mark of the final term to give his side a one-point victory, 14.16 (100) to 14.15 (99). It is the black and whites first premiership since their 1990 win, also over the Tigers.
Krakouer dominated the Grand Final, with 40 possessions and four goals.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/wayward-kicking-swan-districts-trails-claremont-tigers-in-wafl-grand-final/story-e6frg243-1225926340140
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ANDREW Krakouer topped off his amazing return to football by kicking the winning goal to hand Swan Districts a thrilling one-point Grand Final win at Subiaco Oval.
The Sandover medallist snapped from 30m out at the 33-minute mark of the final term to give his side a one-point victory, 14.16 (100) to 14.15 (99). It is the black and whites first premiership since their 1990 win, also over the Tigers.
Krakouer dominated the Grand Final, with 40 possessions and four goals.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/wayward-kicking-swan-districts-trails-claremont-tigers-in-wafl-grand-final/story-e6frg243-1225926340140
could he coem back to teh Tigers?
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west coast
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west coast
Yeah just a pitty we can't get any compo for him.
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Isn't the rumour Gold Coast will select Krak as one of their 10 non-listed players and then trade him to West Coast?
It is the black and whites first premiership since their 1990 win
Please be not an omen :P
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ANDREW Krakouer topped off his amazing return to football by kicking the winning goal to hand Swan Districts a thrilling one-point Grand Final win at Subiaco Oval.
The Sandover medallist snapped from 30m out at the 33-minute mark of the final term to give his side a one-point victory, 14.16 (100) to 14.15 (99). It is the black and whites first premiership since their 1990 win, also over the Tigers.
Krakouer dominated the Grand Final, with 40 possessions and four goals.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/wayward-kicking-swan-districts-trails-claremont-tigers-in-wafl-grand-final/story-e6frg243-1225926340140
hope we get him back
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west coast
Yeah just a pitty we can't get any compo for him.
GC can use one of there picks of uncontracted players who have been on an AFL list in the past. We delisted so no compo.
West Coast will give GC a draft pick for Andrew.
I beleive the deal could already be done , sticking point is the length of contract West Coast has offered , due to his age.( he is 27 ??)
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Isn't the rumour Gold Coast will select Krak as one of their 10 non-listed players and then trade him to West Coast?
It is the black and whites first premiership since their 1990 win
Please be not an omen :P
Yes, thats correct, deal has been done I beleive
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He was better than the next two best on the ground put together, had his head split just before half time still came back strong and won the ball where ever he went and kicked 4.3 out of the middle, played a huge game and has all year. Someone will get him
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hope we get him back
Not going to happen
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Good already had to sit through a 100 or so games wasn't looking forward to more
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Good already had to sit through a 100 or so games wasn't looking forward to more
Correct !!
Dont think he will be any better either
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Gee he has looked the goods this year when i've seen him, miles better than the AFL listed players in the WAFL (even the great
JON)
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JON, the great hope, LOL
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Tommy Roach was running around too, does OK, but still looks like the baby faced assasin
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Krak, JON and Roach jnr playing well doesn't say much for the standard of the WAFL these days :-\
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Krak, JON and Roach jnr playing well doesn't say much for the standard of the WAFL these days :-\
WAFL is ordinary football to say the least.
My spies tell me Sheeds and his team were there today ;)
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Krak, JON and Roach jnr playing well doesn't say much for the standard of the WAFL these days :-\
WAFL is ordinary football to say the least.
My spies tell me Sheeds and his team were there today ;)
WAFL is ordinary to say the least is it Jack.. sheesh, big call mate, might want to let a few of the games WA champions know that.... :lol
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Mate, in a previous life, I used to go over and watch a fair bit of the WAFL , pass.
Problem is the bottom six players in each team are terrible, make that 10 players :banghead
Pathetic crowds I thought as well
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Mate, in a previous life, I used to go over and watch a fair bit of the WAFL , pass.
Problem is the bottom six players in each team are terrible, make that 10 players :banghead
Pathetic crowds I thought as well
Agree on the crowds, but its not in that bad a state regarding the players.
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There isnt any depth
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There isnt any depth
So how does that stack up against the SANFL and Vic footy then??
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VFL is miles ahead at the moment, due to TAC players who miss out on AFL selection going to VFL Clubs.
Problem you have with both SAFL and WAFL is that players who fall out of the AFL system go back to these comps, example being T. Roach, Jesse Smith etc.
saying that I havent seen and SAFL or WAFL game live for 4 years now, so things might have changed
Also Vic Footy Suburban Footy pays good money, so that players who also have been involved in AFL go back there and get great $$$$ a game, on par with SA footy eg Patrick Bowden, Troy Simmonds, Kane Johnson, Brodie Holland, Ben Haynes, Scott Lucas, Luke Livingston, etc
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Mate, in a previous life, I used to go over and watch a fair bit of the WAFL , pass.
Problem is the bottom six players in each team are terrible, make that 10 players :banghead
Pathetic crowds I thought as well
In fairness we could say the same thing about the VFL nowdays. Docklands was lucky if it was 1/4 full today. For the old VFA Grand Finals in the late 70s/early 80s the Junction Oval would be packed.
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Nothing wrong with the WAFL.
Will always be a fertile breading ground for the AFL.Anyone who says otherwise has rocks in their head.
In 2010 there were 27 players playing in the AFL who had played for East Fremantle.That is the most by any club outside the AFL.
That is a cold hard FACT
Andrew Krakouer was fantastic today...Will be a ready made AFL player in 2011 and will make an immediate impact.The only question is whether he will be an Eagle or a Docker.
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Travis Casserley (7 disp.) also played in the Swans premiership alongside Andy Krakouer (40 disp.) and Tommy Roach (22 disp.)
http://prowess.com.au/live/wafl/scoreboard.php?comp=WAL10&rnd=26&mtch=121
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Travis Casserley (7 disp.) also played in the Swans premiership alongside Andy Krakouer (40 disp.) and Tommy Roach (22 disp.)
http://prowess.com.au/live/wafl/scoreboard.php?comp=WAL10&rnd=26&mtch=121
Neither 3 could play AFL footy regularly
Lets dont get too carried away with Andrew Krakouer
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Nothing wrong with the WAFL.
Will always be a fertile breading ground for the AFL.Anyone who says otherwise has rocks in their head.
In 2010 there were 27 players playing in the AFL who had played for East Fremantle.That is the most by any club outside the AFL.
That is a cold hard FACT
Andrew Krakouer was fantastic today...Will be a ready made AFL player in 2011 and will make an immediate impact.The only question is whether he will be an Eagle or a Docker.
Mate, only 9 teams in comp, with Perth and Peel thunder being absolutely hopeless. ::)
Andrew Krakouer played alot of games at Coburg during his last 2 years with us.
Mail is he is going to the Eagles. He can play alongside JON :lol
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the only god thing about WA is that the babes are hot
but most important, very easy
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the only god thing about WA is that the babes are hot
but most important, very easy
Correct
WA commonly known in the east as Waste Australia, LOL
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the only god thing about WA is that the babes are hot
but most important, very easy
Yes, I've got no hesitation in 2nding that comment, some stunning girls there :thumbsup
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must be in the water.
Lets hope they dont drink the discoloured bore water though
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I lived in Dampier for years, loved it. WA had a good education system in the 70's unadulterated by liberal feminist agendas and focused on educating kids on the basics unlike Melbourne. And I'm a Vic.
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....... unadulterated by liberal feminist agendas and focused on educating kids on the basics......
Love your thinking Owl!
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Nothing wrong with the WAFL.
Will always be a fertile breading ground for the AFL.Anyone who says otherwise has rocks in their head.
In 2010 there were 27 players playing in the AFL who had played for East Fremantle.That is the most by any club outside the AFL.
That is a cold hard FACT
Andrew Krakouer was fantastic today...Will be a ready made AFL player in 2011 and will make an immediate impact.The only question is whether he will be an Eagle or a Docker.
Mate, only 9 teams in comp, with Perth and Peel thunder being absolutely hopeless. ::)
Andrew Krakouer played alot of games at Coburg during his last 2 years with us.
Mail is he is going to the Eagles. He can play alongside JON :lol
Yep, WAFL has only 9 teams-same as the SANFL-So your point is ?
Yep,Peel have been very uncompetitive since 1997 however their system was good enough to produce last years # 4 draft pick.Hayden Ballantyne has been pretty useful too.
Do you think the Krakouer of 2006 would of had 40 possies and kicked four goals in a WAFL GF ?
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YES.
he struggled at AFL on many occasions.
Can tell you that he had issues of following and understanding game plan under Wallace.
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Not in million years, blew up walking down the race.
To get 40 possesions is a great effort at any level.
Hes not for us though IMHO, too old now, not fast enough ( running speed) . He has lighting reflex's and a very good decision maker but we have better options now.
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I don't get the hype? Do people actually think we should have kept this spud?
Good on him for playing well over in the WAFL but last time I looked that comp had a W on the front of it.
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just goes to show though he might of been 1 year away from his breakout Mr Magic ...teehee
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Nothing wrong with the WAFL.
Will always be a fertile breading ground for the AFL.Anyone who says otherwise has rocks in their head.
In 2010 there were 27 players playing in the AFL who had played for East Fremantle.That is the most by any club outside the AFL.
I don't think anyone is critisising the quality of players in the WAFL coming through the junior ranks, purely the talent level of the senior WAFL competition.
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top 3 in the charles in 2011
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ahahahahahaha :lol :rollin :lol
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Will be better than Davis
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Will be better than Davis
Couldn't be worse
You never know, he's the MCG specialist so may come in handy on the first Saturday in October
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Will be better than Davis
Lazy footballer. Won't tackle and harass. Will be playing VFL by mid May.
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The Pies will cough up their first pick #25 for Krak :o
What about Tarrant?
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Care factor,
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Will be better than Davis
Lazy footballer. Won't tackle and harass. Will be playing VFL by mid May.
krak aint lazy
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Krak had great skills. But he was too slow, too slight of build, and he had no engine. That's why he failed at Richmond, and I hope it's why he fails at Scumwood.
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he was a good tackler what are you going on about? His technique was excellent.
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he was a good tackler what are you going on about? His technique was excellent.
I didn't say anything about his tackling technique Owl. What I meant is if you played him in the midfield he was too lightly framed to be an insider and he was easily brushed aside, and he didn't have the huge tank or the pace to be an outside mid.
This pretty much restricted him to being a goal crumber. But even there he was limited because, unlike his dad, or a Bartlett say, he lacked that initial burst of pace that allowed him to really pounce on the ball from out of nowhere. People assumed he was fast because of his genes, but he really lacked a yard.
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Krak had great skills. But he was too slow, too slight of build, and he had no engine. That's why he failed at Richmond, and I hope it's why he fails at Scumwood.
completely agree with this
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The buzz about him is pretty real atm. I always rated him and thought he could go the next step. Next year I will be interested to see how he goes.
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i never rated him but Mick will turn him into a star. His record is unbelievable
guys Pies will win the flag next year. Take the 3/1 odds right now and run with it.
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i never rated him but Mick will turn him into a star. His record is unbelievable
guys Pies will win the flag next year. Take the 3/1 odds right now and run with it.
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There is 3/1 available?
Best I've found was 3.50.
Think you might mean 2/1
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i never rated him but Mick will turn him into a star. His record is unbelievable
guys Pies will win the flag next year. Take the 3/1 odds right now and run with it.
There is 3/1 available?
Best I've found was 3.50.
Think you might mean 2/1
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i saw 3/1 on sportsbet. Id take that 3.50 which site was that on.
Id go Pies straight up for the flag and a Hawks/Pies or a Pies/Saints Play off. Mick is just as hungry for 2 flags especially being his last year
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$3.60 on Betfair.
We are paying $70.
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WEST Coast champion Chris Lewis, who is the indigenous welfare and talent manager at WAFL club Swan Districts, spent a lot of time mentoring Krakouer during the past year.
Lewis believes the 27-year-old can be a far better player at Collingwood than he was during his seven years at the Tigers.
"I don't think Richmond suited him as a footy club, so there were a couple of factors there," Lewis said.
"Obviously he's now been through one of those experiences where he's had the thing he loves doing most - footy - taken away from him, and how he's got an opportunity to get it back.
"He's matured a lot now, he's a really clever player, and I know Collingwood really rotate their midfield so that will suit him well."
Lewis said didn't want to see Krakouer resume in a forward role when he had so much to offer up the ground.
"What he really has been doing is breaking away from pack situations and breaking up the play," he said.
"He's good with his hands and when he gets the ball he just about always sets up a teammate."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103847/default.aspx
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Krak had great skills. But he was too slow, too slight of build, and he had no engine. That's why he failed at Richmond, and I hope it's why he fails at Scumwood.
i agree with this except the skills bit. his kicking lacks penetration and he missses far to many shots at goal and targets.
the pace of afl will again sort him out imo. too slow to small no motor though that seems to have improved a bit and not polished enough.
of course mick may have a role for him.
in many ways neon the hack has more tools to work with.
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Why is Ricky Nixon bad mouthing Richmond?
First saying Tambling was under-developed at Richmond.
Now, Richmond did not suit Krakouer?
Something Off Nixon!
So how is Dustin Martin going at Richmond Ricky?
Does he like it? Please tell us!
Andrew will be "OK" for Collingwood.
Do not want him to do well ... because ... it is Collingwood people!
... hope he does :shh
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Now, Richmond did not suit Krakouer?
Wasn't it Chris Lewis who said that?
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Read the quote Torch it was Lewis. WTF would Lewis know about Richmond anyway?
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Its probibly just me... But i think he is throwing the view that our club cant handle Aboriginals? tahts teh Vibe i get from what Nixon says if you know what i meen >:(
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Krak & Colonwood
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Krak had great skills. But he was too slow, too slight of build, and he had no engine. That's why he failed at Richmond, and I hope it's why he fails at Scumwood.
completely agree with this
Totally agree with this
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and he was one of the worst listeners you will see in AFL
Couldnt follow basic instructions.
WAFL simplicity football suited him. Wait till he gets to Collingwood where he will get 20 page reports each week.
Good luck lad !
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best of luck to Krak, call me crazy but I thought it was Kraks lack of pace that ultimately cost him putting his print on senior afl footy, notice he was always at his best in the wet and prominent at lower levels..with the pace a yard or two slower. he has some tricks sure but there aint too many slow players that can cut it at the level and he was never BIG on winning much of the pill. all the best to him anyway, i was always a fan :clapping
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Some Richmond discussion in Caro's interview with Krak in today's Age......
How football saved Krakouer
Caroline Wilson
October 21, 2010
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-football-saved-krakouer-20101020-16u8u.html
Andrew Krakouer joined Gerard Neesham's trail-blazing Clontarf Academy at 16, was selected by South Fremantle and was already the father of a baby girl, initially leaving his partner Barbara and daughter at home in Perth when he joined Richmond with that club's third draft pick before the 2001 season.
''I'm glad he's in, in one sense, but I'm also worried,'' Neesham said at the time. 'He's atypical of the whole system and Richmond's picked him on a wing and a prayer.
''He's only played seven Colts games, it's ludicrous that he's been picked, really.''
Says Krakouer now of his teenaged journey to Melbourne: ''I didn't know what to expect I was pretty young. It was an unknown world to me. Probably looking back I didn't do things to the best of my ability. Certainly my fitness levels are a lot better than they were then.''
Neesham cautiously supported Richmond's handling of his former charge - who lived with his mother Fiona Krakouer when he first moved to Melbourne - and felt that should he survive the AFL system through to 21 then Richmond would have a 10-year player on its hands.
But he could not have foreseen the ugly family feud that led to the events that took place in Fremantle just before Christmas 2006, when Andrew was 23. Nor could former North Melbourne champion Jimmy, who in those early days at Tigerland would occasionally call his son's coach Danny Frawley from Perth's maximum security Casuarina Prison and plead with Frawley to work his son hard. ''Make sure he has a real crack,'' he would say.''Don't let him waste his life.''
At the end of 2007, six seasons later, after 102 games with the Tigers, Krakouer was delisted, spending his final year with Richmond with the serious assault charge hanging over him.
Full article at:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-football-saved-krakouer-20101020-16u8u.html
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This is extremely bitter sweet watching Andrew Krakouer tear it up at Collingwood.
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Krak will rip it up this year.
Any player is going to look better in a Collingwood side. Put him in Brisbane or West Coasts side and it'd be a different story.
Daniel Kerr has struggled ever since WCE have slipped. Put Kerr in a Saints or Geelong jumper and he'd be a 10 times better player.
Krak will have a good career with the pies.
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This is extremely bitter sweet watching Andrew Krakouer tear it up at Collingwood.
Don't do your head in too much Mat, there was no way he could stay on our list and we would have delisted or traded him at the end of his last year anyway. There is no way we would of wasted a draft pick on him this year either he does not fit our plan going forward.
Like PL said he is good in a good side but he needs good players around him to support him, he couldnt stand up at Richmond when surrounded by average players. If the Pies have a form slump ( :pray) this year you can put money on it that Krak won't be one of the players to pull them out of it. He will probably be one of the players that started it.
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:thumbsup
Spot on WAT
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Agree to a degree WAT
I do think too that "the penny has finally dropped" and he now realises the work that's required to be an AFL player and this time round he seems to willing to do the "hard yards"
Also, I actually think it will help being at a club where he has to earn his spot as opposed to being at a Club like ours that because of the state of our list etc he didn't
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Agree to a degree WAT
I do think too that "the penny has finally dropped" and he now realises the work that's required to be an AFL player and this time round he seems to willing to do the "hard yards"
Also, I actually think it will help being at a club where he has to earn his spot as opposed to being at a Club like ours that because of the state of our list etc he didn't
Yeah fair enough WP but having the penny drop at 28 years old in the modern game of AFL is a bit late for mine.
Wasn't he dropped back to Coburg while with us and didn't he earn that spot back, cant remember but I am sure he did.
Still think he would not have had another year at the RFC though regardless of circumstances. :thumbsup
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Hopefully he won't mind too much when his kids are father/son to Richmond. :thumbsup
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Yeah fair enough WP but having the penny drop at 28 years old in the modern game of AFL is a bit late for mine.
Wasn't he dropped back to Coburg while with us and didn't he earn that spot back, cant remember but I am sure he did.
Still think he would not have had another year at the RFC though regardless of circumstances. :thumbsup
Yeah true but I think the penny dropped when he was in jail at 25-26.
And no doubt he would have been cut from Richmond no matter what at the end of 2006 or 2007 (whatever it was) and rightly so
Hopefully he won't mind too much when his kids are father/son to Richmond. :thumbsup
Not much use to us at the minute because he has 2 little girls ;D
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Hopefully he won't mind too much when his kids are father/son to Richmond. :thumbsup
Not much use to us at the minute because he has 2 little girls ;D
Really. I thought he had a son ... or is that Tambo :-\
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Also on field opportunities were different at Richmond as opposed to Collingwood.
Collingwood are a more successful far more disciplined and have more variation going into
their forward line as opposed to the stagnant kick it to Richo mantra we preached. Mick also trains his team
hard alot harder than he would have experienced at Punt Rd. Plethora of reasons which sadly reflects how
far behind we really were in the Frawley and Wallace eras.
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Andy Maher can't help himself having cracks at Richmond ::)
"Krakouer's form must be breaking Richmond hearts"
::) :sleep
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To use a Malcolm Blight saying
Andy Maher is a "rats tossbag" and that is kind.
Just another smug Carlton supporter who will fall off his perch one day.
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This is extremely bitter sweet watching Andrew Krakouer tear it up at Collingwood.
Don't do your head in too much Mat, there was no way he could stay on our list and we would have delisted or traded him at the end of his last year anyway. There is no way we would of wasted a draft pick on him this year either he does not fit our plan going forward.
Like PL said he is good in a good side but he needs good players around him to support him, he couldnt stand up at Richmond when surrounded by average players. If the Pies have a form slump ( :pray) this year you can put money on it that Krak won't be one of the players to pull them out of it. He will probably be one of the players that started it.
Good luck to him, but this sums it up I thinks.
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Hopefully he won't mind too much when his kids are father/son to Richmond. :thumbsup
Not much use to us at the minute because he has 2 little girls ;D
Really. I thought he had a son ... or is that Tambo :-\
Krak & his wife have 2 girls
Tambling & his lady have a boy and a girl
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Andy Maher can't help himself having cracks at Richmond ::)
"Krakouer's form must be breaking Richmond hearts"
::) :sleep
Doesn't break my heart, a bit like saying Cuzs 2 years at the Tigers broke hearts at the Eagles. Personally hope he makes it and thrives. Hes had his share of issues, gave us plenty of glimpses - would be nice to see him put it together. We would never have traded the same or similar pick for him and at the time - he had to be delisted.
What's the issue Andy?
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Why the complaints. I agree with Popelord in that Ty Esler, Richard Lounder and even Jarrod Oakley Nichols would look good at Collingwood........maybe not JON but any other hack would look good. So if a player is better than good how would he look at the pies right now? Thus the reason why Andy will have a good year.