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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: yellowandback on July 10, 2011, 09:54:05 AM
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Obvious I know but if he keeps the policy of drafting young and culling the list of the land fill then I can cop the big losses.
All I ask is this:-
We need to give him some coaching support - a real mentor as the Roos have done with Parkin. I think he is floundering a fraction at the moment and in my view needs a steady hand in the coaches box
We just need a ruck. No other trades. Just a ruck. No more 2nd rate mids or slow, poorly skilled KPF hacks.
And I accept it will take a couple of years but there are 20 that need to go over the next 2 years
Can you pick them?
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Dimma is self destructing
he has made the massive mistake to become a big bro and mate to the players
he is now delusional saying we are better than we actually are, he must accept reality and his role or he will not get another contract.
facts are we r not better, and he is to close to the players and selecting blokes he likes
he started off his coaching career really well, i see alot of similarities between him and spud
its time we got and chased mick malthouse hard clarkson , they are the two best coaches going around
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Dimma is self destructing
he has made the massive mistake to become a big bro and mate to the players
he is now delusional saying we are better than we actually are, he must accept reality and his role or he will not get another contract.
facts are we r not better, and he is to close to the players and selecting blokes he likes
he started off his coaching career really well, i see alot of similarities between him and spud
its time we got and chased mick malthouse hard clarkson , they are the two best coaches going around
Where did you pluck this ! We drop a few games during a rebuild and he is self destructing? Your stuffing kidding me right? Some of you really need to check your realities, we were made clearly aware of what we were in for when he came in, a full ground up rebuild, no short cuts, a hard bumpy stuffing ride, well, here are the bumps... gotta ride em out. It sh !ts me too but seriously calling for his head is the same poo that has sunk our club time and time again the past 30 years, stuff THAT. Give him what he needs to do his JOB and let him get on with it.
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Dimma is self destructing
he has made the massive mistake to become a big bro and mate to the players
he is now delusional saying we are better than we actually are, he must accept reality and his role or he will not get another contract.
facts are we r not better, and he is to close to the players and selecting blokes he likes
he started off his coaching career really well, i see alot of similarities between him and spud
its time we got and chased mick malthouse hard clarkson , they are the two best coaches going around
Your calling for the coaches head, 1.5 seasons into a ground up rebuild, based on a series of assumptions?
Last time I checked we were ahead of where we were this time last year. Things ebb and flow.
Clarkson is a douche bag who got gifted a top 4 list, who had a dream run for 1 year. That's the only reason he is perceived as a good coach.
Happy to win one or two more for the year, make 8-9 changes to the list and reload for next year.
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Obvious I know but if he keeps the policy of drafting young and culling the list of the land fill then I can cop the big losses.
All I ask is this:-
We need to give him some coaching support - a real mentor as the Roos have done with Parkin. I think he is floundering a fraction at the moment and in my view needs a steady hand in the coaches box
We just need a ruck. No other trades. Just a ruck. No more 2nd rate mids or slow, poorly skilled KPF hacks.
And I accept it will take a couple of years but there are 20 that need to go over the next 2 years
Can you pick them?
I agree here when it comes to a mentoring type figure!
We turned over the list and went with youth, fair enough, but the trouble has been that we have an equally inexperienced coaching staff!
I have my concerns at the moment but i think the second year blues have hit a little and the young bodies are getting tired! We have not had the depth due to injuries to rest these young bodies enough!
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Dimma is self destructing
he has made the massive mistake to become a big bro and mate to the players
he is now delusional saying we are better than we actually are, he must accept reality and his role or he will not get another contract.
facts are we r not better, and he is to close to the players and selecting blokes he likes
he started off his coaching career really well, i see alot of similarities between him and spud
its time we got and chased mick malthouse hard clarkson , they are the two best coaches going around
Where did you pluck this ! We drop a few games during a rebuild and he is self destructing? Your effing kidding me right? Some of you really need to check your realities, we were made clearly aware of what we were in for when he came in, a full ground up rebuild, no short cuts, a hard bumpy effing ride, well, here are the bumps... gotta ride em out. It sh !ts me too but seriously calling for his head is the same poo that has sunk our club time and time again the past 30 years, eff THAT. Give him what he needs to do his JOB and let him get on with it.
i didnt pluck this out
the signs are there and its bloody obvious
dimma started off well, as did spud
but the same cycle is tarting all over again
the players dont need a buddy, a mate, a friend, they need a hard bastard coach who commands respect
dimma is starting to make the same mistakes as spud, and we made the mistake of extending spuds contract
2 or three weeks ago there was talk of extending dimmas contract now, and since then we have turned to poo
i know this club, i know this group , nothing has effing changed
the RFC and the Aus Labour Party can stuffing walk hand in hand, all stuffing talk and full of lies
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Hardwicks test is not now or any games this season. His first test comes when he has to decide who he is going to try and trade. He needs to trade out the likes of Edwards and Jackson and thats just the start. Does he consider trading out say Foley in order to get a 17yo pick from GWS. This trade season will be where his test will come IMHO not now or in the next 7 or 8 weeks.
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Hardwicks test is not now or any games this season. His first test comes when he has to decide who he is going to try and trade. He needs to trade out the likes of Edwards and Jackson and thats just the start. Does he consider trading out say Foley in order to get a 17yo pick from GWS. This trade season will be where his test will come IMHO not now or in the next 7 or 8 weeks.
How much control does Hardwick have over this? That is not a rhetorical question, just interested to know!
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Hardwicks test is not now or any games this season. His first test comes when he has to decide who he is going to try and trade. He needs to trade out the likes of Edwards and Jackson and thats just the start. Does he consider trading out say Foley in order to get a 17yo pick from GWS. This trade season will be where his test will come IMHO not now or in the next 7 or 8 weeks.
How much control does Hardwick have over this? That is not a rhetorical question, just interested to know!
He should have full control he is the coach. He is the one who said we will take no short cuts. One step forward two back two steps forward. To get something good we have to give something up as well. Dimma needs to address our list trade a few delist a few and finish the job he already started rather than leave it where it is now.
Lets be honest at the start of the year most of us thought we would win somewhere between 6-9 or 10 games maximum and finish in the 10th -14th position with natural progression and development. Guess what we will finish there and the kids we have selected and have been playing over the last two years will be the better for it. Let the man do his job properly.
Its the people who want instant success that are never happy. Be realistic and hold tight.
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He should have full control he is the coach.
He won't have full control Tucker and I don't think he should either. You'll find that most clubs nowadays have a Football Manager who has a responsibility to oversee the recruiting/drafting/salaries etc so that a coach can't just make decisions to benefit himself and not be in the long term interests of the club.
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Craig Cameron aint the man we should be looking at going forward.
These 5 year contracts are killing us.
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He should have full control he is the coach.
He won't have full control Tucker and I don't think he should either. You'll find that most clubs nowadays have a Football Manager who has a responsibility to oversee the recruiting/drafting/salaries etc so that a coach can't just make decisions to benefit himself and not be in the long term interests of the club.
He may not have full control but he would have a big say.
This is how i see it would (should ?) work.
The coach mandates the type of players he wants, eg body size playing type etc. It is then up to the recruiting staff to select the players that best fit the coaches criteria.
Under wallace we recruited mainly speedy ( and consequently smaller built) outside type of players as wallet thought this was the future of football.
Under dimma, particularly last year we are taking bigger built, harder type players and with good skills and decision making. (2009 i think we still felt the legacy of wallet era build in players like nason and webberly, but least they have half decent skills)
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Craig Cameron aint the man we should be looking at going forward.
These 5 year contracts are killing us.
Browne, Contin, Farmer, Gourdis, Gus, Hicks, Hislop, Mcguane, Miller, Nason, Taylor, Tuck, Thursfield, westoff, Webberley not up to it.
Connors, Dea, O'Reilly, White, Moore major question mark
13 recruited under the Cameron era.
Mmmmmmm
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Dimma is self destructing
he has made the massive mistake to become a big bro and mate to the players
he is now delusional saying we are better than we actually are, he must accept reality and his role or he will not get another contract.
facts are we r not better, and he is to close to the players and selecting blokes he likes
he started off his coaching career really well, i see alot of similarities between him and spud
its time we got and chased mick malthouse hard clarkson , they are the two best coaches going around
Where did you pluck this ! We drop a few games during a rebuild and he is self destructing? Your effing kidding me right? Some of you really need to check your realities, we were made clearly aware of what we were in for when he came in, a full ground up rebuild, no short cuts, a hard bumpy effing ride, well, here are the bumps... gotta ride em out. It sh !ts me too but seriously calling for his head is the same poo that has sunk our club time and time again the past 30 years, eff THAT. Give him what he needs to do his JOB and let him get on with it.
i didnt pluck this out
the signs are there and its bloody obvious
dimma started off well, as did spud
but the same cycle is tarting all over again
the players dont need a buddy, a mate, a friend, they need a hard bastard coach who commands respect
dimma is starting to make the same mistakes as spud, and we made the mistake of extending spuds contract
2 or three weeks ago there was talk of extending dimmas contract now, and since then we have turned to poo
i know this club, i know this group , nothing has effing changed
the RFC and the Aus Labour Party can effing walk hand in hand, all effing talk and full of lies
Yeah and the libs / nationals despite sucking much dick and rosy leafing each others freckles are all truth telling saints, despite this I don't really mix my football with politics and don't understand why you are trying to push a political agenda into this thread...it puts me off my tucker. Are you Andrew Bolt???
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He should have full control he is the coach.
He won't have full control Tucker and I don't think he should either. You'll find that most clubs nowadays have a Football Manager who has a responsibility to oversee the recruiting/drafting/salaries etc so that a coach can't just make decisions to benefit himself and not be in the long term interests of the club.
He may not have full control but he would have a big say.
This is how i see it would (should ?) work.
The coach mandates the type of players he wants, eg body size playing type etc. It is then up to the recruiting staff to select the players that best fit the coaches criteria.
Under wallace we recruited mainly speedy ( and consequently smaller built) outside type of players as wallet thought this was the future of football.
Under dimma, particularly last year we are taking bigger built, harder type players and with good skills and decision making. (2009 i think we still felt the legacy of wallet era build in players like nason and webberly, but least they have half decent skills)
I would think Al that is pretty much spot on. :thumbsup
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I actually agree with X to a certain degree.
This joking around at training rubbish screams of Spud mark 2.
Yay lets hide in rubbish bins and be mates with everyone. Wake up Dimma and be respected and feared like Malthouse
We have been there done that.
I cant stand it when i hear him say this player will always be first picked because of this reason when his form has been rubbish and shouldnt be anywhere near our starting 22.
A rebuild is a rebuild and Dimma needs at least another year before we start talking about sackings. The problem i have is our football department has stayed relatively the same. Idiots like CC and FJ are still there and i cant understand why.
Get rid of them and poach someone who knows their stuff like a Balme. CC is a poor mans trump and his opinion counts for nil all.
What were we thinking picking up rubbish from Melbourne and lets face it he is exactly that
Edited: for not even trying to avoid the swear filter
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Are you Andrew Bolt???
C'mon Mods, do your job.
I'm all for robust debate but that is going too far.
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Spud came in with a bang and made the finals. Dimma lost his first 9 games. Where is the comparison there?!
Spud tried to be everyone's 'Cherry-ripe' mate, never distancing himself from the group, never educating the team. Dimma is a hands on developer who the players have been quoted as stating they fully respect and are careful not to step outside of his directions.
I think people are missing the point here. As a club, we are at a stage where development, culture and building towards the future is the priority. Mistakes should be encouraged if they made in the effort of individual or team improvement. If players stuff up - so what! Judgement on the coach is not based on wins or loses but players and team development. I think it is hard (actually I think it is impossible) to argue we have not improved this year. The amazing thing is, is that we have done it with an incredibly young squad and team. Dimma's directorate was to put as many games into the squad as possible and he has more than achieved this.
All these calls for Dimmas head is rediculous. A coach like Clarkson or even Malthouse would not be able to condure any more wins than Dimma is currently doing and may hurt our future success in the effort. As painful as it continues to prove, we need to take these rodgerings to improve. We need to stay patient and need to stay focused on development, recruitment, trading and building towards success. I know that is a bitter pill to swallow and trying to force it down after so many years (actually my pill is giving me heartburn currently ;)) reverting to the old 'sack the coach' would be a massive step backwards.
Dimma is doing exactly what is expected of him - developing and educating our young list. You can't ask more than that of him at this stage.
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The calls for Dimmas head is rediculous.
reverting to the old 'sack the coach' would be a massive step backwards.
Dimma is doing exactly what is expected of him - developing and educating our young list. You can't ask more than that of him at this stage.
'Ere 'ere
Spot on stripes - the reactionary's have a greater poll phobia that the ALP.
It is about time RFC had a strategy, a clear list development plan and stuck to the task for greater than 2 seasons!
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Craig Cameron aint the man we should be looking at going forward.
These 5 year contracts are killing us.
Cameron's list management is under the spotlight at Richmond no doubt.
His latest ramble re chasing players to fill needs is testament to that.
He is the one in the hot seat, not the coach.
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Dimma is self destructing
he has made the massive mistake to become a big bro and mate to the players
he is now delusional saying we are better than we actually are, he must accept reality and his role or he will not get another contract.
facts are we r not better, and he is to close to the players and selecting blokes he likes
he started off his coaching career really well, i see alot of similarities between him and spud
its time we got and chased mick malthouse hard clarkson , they are the two best coaches going around
Your calling for the coaches head, 1.5 seasons into a ground up rebuild, based on a series of assumptions?
Last time I checked we were ahead of where we were this time last year. Things ebb and flow.
Clarkson is a douche bag who got gifted a top 4 list, who had a dream run for 1 year. That's the only reason he is perceived as a good coach.
Happy to win one or two more for the year, make 8-9 changes to the list and reload for next year.
why win one or two and against who gcs ffs. put the que in the rack and do what we can to get pick 8 or 10. time to give the oriellys deas nasons webberleys etc etc plenty of game time you never know one of em just might show something.
reality is we have half a list ( at least 10 this yr ) to clean out. if we are to go to the draft lets give ourselves the best possible chance of picking a few good players. sorry people but its tank time.