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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: torch on July 14, 2011, 10:24:03 PM
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Throw everything at Malthouse!
This guy is ruthless like Richmond needs to be!
Get Malthouse back home!
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Throw everything at Malthouse!
This guy is ruthless like Richmond needs to be!
Get Malthouse back home!
Build a bridge torch - aint gonna happen
IS this the "sheeds come home" slant for this decade
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If you are watching TFS at the moment then you would have to say it is getting closer to reality, if not us then it will be somewhere.
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No better challenge in Malthouse's career then to coach the club that he tasted success.
I think in 2012 he will be at Collingwood, Hardwick's last year and we will throw everything at him to back home!
2013 ...
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Wouldnt be us, but how smart was he when he answered "I havent received an offer from another club" Yes thats right you havent but your management has.
Could be one of Blues, Dees or Buldogs. The dogs have been very quiet and lets face it would be a good story as it would if he came back to punt Road.
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Wouldnt be us, but how smart was he when he answered "I havent received an offer from another club" Yes thats right you havent but your management has.
Could be one of Blues, Dees or Buldogs. The dogs have been very quiet and lets face it would be a good story as it would if he came back to punt Road.
I reckon he will be at the Pies for 12 months and then the whole thing will start to heat up....
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If we make an offer to Malthouse, then nothing has changed at Richmond. I wouldn't think that Hardwick would want Mick peering over his shoulder. The Clubs most likely to get him would be Melbourne or the Dogs, Melbourne should be throwing the kitchen sink at him.
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No better challenge in Malthouse's career then to coach the club that he tasted success.
I think in 2012 he will be at Collingwood, Hardwick's last year and we will throw everything at him to back home!
2013 ...
Aint going to happen
What happens if we make the 8 in 2012 - you seriously think Hardwick wont get re-appointed, they'll sack him just to Mick?
Your assumption seems to be 2012 is already a write off for the Tigers (or you are hoping that it is) and as a result Mick will stroll back in the door as the messiah :lol :lol
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Dimma has been given three years. He deserves that much without question and we should all hope he is a success.
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so how long do you give malthouse to wave his magic wand? 1/2 - 2 years then go looking for another messiah? the perpetual cycle continues
If we make an offer to Malthouse, then nothing has changed at Richmond. I wouldn't think that Hardwick would want Mick peering over his shoulder. The Clubs most likely to get him would be Melbourne or the Dogs, Melbourne should be throwing the kitchen sink at him.
spot on
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face palm to this thread
In fact no im gonna comment. It took sulkhouse, what, ten years to win the scum a flag with all the resources they have and nearly every bloody game they play at the G no friggen travel. Super coach isn't going to turn it around for us, we have our coach, he is already doing what needs to be done, you just have to gird your loins for the ride.
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give him Craig Cameron's job and a solid gold Jeep
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I not give up my Jeep, he make his own jeep, stuff you yes?
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face palm to this thread
In fact no im gonna comment. It took sulkhouse, what, ten years to win the scum a flag with all the resources they have and nearly every bloody game they play at the G no friggen travel. Super coach isn't going to turn it around for us, we have our coach, he is already doing what needs to be done, you just have to gird your loins for the ride.
"gird your loins" ???? lol thats funny
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No better challenge in Malthouse's career then to coach the club that he tasted success.
I think in 2012 he will be at Collingwood, Hardwick's last year and we will throw everything at him to back home!
2013 ...
Aint going to happen
What happens if we make the 8 in 2012 - you seriously think Hardwick wont get re-appointed, they'll sack him just to Mick?
Your assumption seems to be 2012 is already a write off for the Tigers (or you are hoping that it is) and as a result Mick will stroll back in the door as the messiah :lol :lol
of course one could ask what happens if we are still bottom 4 in 2012. even more pertinant would be what if we are still bottom 4 at the end of 2013, personally my assumption is i think this scenario highly likely.
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of course one could ask what happens if we are still bottom 4 in 2012. even more pertinant would be what if we are still bottom 4 at the end of 2013, personally my assumption is i think this scenario highly likely.
Agree claw one could ask that
But I think this carry on about getting Malthouse back to the club is an over reaction by supporters (me included) to a bad 4-6 weeks by a very young and list.
Everyone knew when Hardwick was appointed it was going to be a long slow road. Strange I thought most had accepted it
But now it seems on the back of some good form in the 1st half of the season and now some extremely poor form over the last month and a bit that people are starting to think the worlds about to cave in again, we are are in freefall and only Mick can save us... please let's get some perspective on things
Reality is Hardwick 18 months into a 3 year contract and he deserves to be cut some slack because this was never going to be a 12 month re-build and then finals. Has he made mistakes? Yep he has but he isn't the first and he wont be the last
I just think people are over reacting especially in light of where are right now is exactly where the vast majority thought we would be 18 months in
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forget his coaching-the guy KNOWS how a successful club should be run.
Get him there to do the Balmey job.
He says he still feels part of the joint and whether that's BS or not,WGAF?
He's clearly obtainable.
Imagine the discipline issues he could iron out,of which we have many.
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that has merit, provided the coach didn't feel he had to be looking over his shoulder.
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forget his coaching-the guy KNOWS how a successful club should be run.
Get him there to do the Balmey job.
He says he still feels part of the joint and whether that's BS or not,WGAF?
He's clearly obtainable.
Imagine the discipline issues he could iron out,of which we have many.
That is not out of the question when put that way.
Excellent post Brackets.
that has merit, provided the coach didn't feel he had to be looking over his shoulder.
Goes without saying Al and Mick has to also know in his heart of hearts that his coaching days are up and won't ever want to do it again for it to work. Perhaps a pre nup signing beforehand to make sure this marriage lasts the distance. :lol :rollin :lol
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that has merit, provided the coach didn't feel he had to be looking over his shoulder.
It's a maturity thing.
A coach with a complex need not stay. Look at B Scott at the Roos with Parko.
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Click click click....no I am still in Oz.
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you look good in those ruby red stilettos WAT :-*
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forget his coaching-the guy KNOWS how a successful club should be run.
Get him there to do the Balmey job.
He says he still feels part of the joint and whether that's BS or not,WGAF?
He's clearly obtainable.
Imagine the discipline issues he could iron out,of which we have many.
I like it ox
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you look good in those ruby red stilettos WAT :-*
:lol
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you look good in those ruby red stilettos WAT :-*
You wish Gerks.... :lol
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just get him
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Simple ... get him! Throw everything!
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forget his coaching-the guy KNOWS how a successful club should be run.
Get him there to do the Balmey job.
He says he still feels part of the joint and whether that's BS or not,WGAF?
He's clearly obtainable.
Imagine the discipline issues he could iron out,of which we have many.
LOL OX you crack me up. Im imagining players betting on games...raping women...bashing people....car wrecks... Far be it for me to criticise but I don't think discipline has been a strong point at scumwood. I don't think the coach has anything to do with it either, its down to individuals.
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I hear you Owl but Dimma seems lost when it comes to defence. We just get murdered on the rebound and are 17th for clearances in the AFL and it's embarrassing. Effing GC babies destroyed us in clearances and defensive discipline ? WTF is that about ? Mick would sort that out straight up
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Was interesting watching them train the other day and the only two times Malthouse got involved was during a tackling drill and when they were doing 'pattern of play' stuff (which we used to call circle work ;)) Malthouse would stop the drill and they would set up for a boundary throw in or bounce and he would spend a few mintues talking to them.
Easy to see what parts of the game he rates highest.
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Will be some interesting discussions RE Malthouse future in football.
He can walk into a St.Kilda job tonight if he wants it. The fact that Craig chose Melbourne over us leaves us with a spare spot on the books available for Mick if he wants to come home.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/124505/default.aspx
Mick quits Collingwood
MICK Malthouse has announced that he won't be at Collingwood in any capacity in 2012.
Under the succession plan conceived by Magpies president Eddie McGuire in 2009, the veteran coach was to have moved into a director of coaching role for the next three seasons as Nathan Buckley assumed the senior coaching position.
But in his post-match media conference after Collingwood lost the Grand Final by 38 points to Geelong, Malthouse revealed that he would not be fulfilling his contract.
"I think the role by name sounded pretty good, but in reality I'm not 100 per cent sure that I would be of value to the football club," Malthouse said.
"In fairness to everyone at the football club, I think they need a fresh start.
"And I can't give them that fresh start from my position in that role.
"I think those that are at the football club need a bit of space to go in the direction that they feel is going to take the club forward.
"I could be selfish and stay on. I could be demanding and stay in the role and force it to be something … but I just don't see any point.
"I just don't see any way that I can be of value."
Malthouse said he'd been weighing up his decision for some time and made up his mind around six weeks ago, despite McGuire trying to convince him to stay.
"Ed would like to think that I'd stay on, and that's the way he is, he wants to do the right thing by everyone," he said.
"I appreciate that, and maybe I'm letting him down, but I know I'm not letting the club down this way."
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Love mick but wtf fk has he really done?
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Love mick but wtf fk has he really done?
3 premierships. 7 Grand Finals.
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How long is a china man
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fukk mmik
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man I luv mick and KB it'ss over
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man I luv mick and KB it'ss over
yup, you on the pee. drinking and posting :thumbsup
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gr8 day gf day = wont be posting when the tiges get there count on that!
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man I luv mick and KB it'ss over
yup, you on the pee. drinking and posting :thumbsup
someone's stollen my acunt cunters
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same. i am going for round 2 now,
see u boys in the wee hours because i will be back
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same. i am going for round 2 now,
see u boys in the wee hours because i will be back
I will take you down mofo I will t ake you down
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:rollin
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Mick poo's all over Bailey and Craig if our club doesn't make play for him in some role in the footy department we have got rocks in our head and I would be so disappointed.He would be perfect as a Senior assistant or football director.Success follows him !.
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Problem is he has to sit out of coaching for year, not sure if that is just senior coaching or all roles in any other football club, but I would love to know how this contract crap works legally stopping someone from being employed elsewhere.... Interesting times.
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lol - should have one of those car breatho things for computers :rollin (http://th11.photobucket.com/albums/a155/Yofclef/Smiley%20faces%201/th_headache.gif)
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:lol
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Mick poo's all over Bailey and Craig if our club doesn't make play for him in some role in the footy department we have got rocks in our head and I would be so disappointed.He would be perfect as a Senior assistant or football director.Success follows him !.
I will repeat Mick Malthouse will not be at any other AFL club in 2012, he will honour his agreement with the Pies regarding 2012 ;D
Look forward to hearing him on the wireless and doing special comments on Ch7
Problem is he has to sit out of coaching for year, not sure if that is just senior coaching or all roles in any other football club, but I would love to know how this contract crap works legally stopping someone from being employed elsewhere.... Interesting times.
To be able to be released from his current contract (3yrs as director of footy at CW) he cannot be at another club
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Mick poo's all over Bailey and Craig if our club doesn't make play for him in some role in the footy department we have got rocks in our head and I would be so disappointed.He would be perfect as a Senior assistant or football director.Success follows him !.
I will repeat Mick Malthouse will not be at any other AFL club in 2012, he will honour his agreement with the Pies regarding 2012 ;D
Look forward to hearing him on the wireless and doing special comments on Ch7
Problem is he has to sit out of coaching for year, not sure if that is just senior coaching or all roles in any other football club, but I would love to know how this contract crap works legally stopping someone from being employed elsewhere.... Interesting times.
To be able to be released from his current contract (3yrs as director of footy at CW) he cannot be at another club
Interesting post WP, do you speak for MM?
Nothing is assured in this business.
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I imagine that what WP is saying is that for Malthouse to be released from the final 2 years of his new contract he cant work for another club for 12 months. That means hes not working for any footy club. He will wait out the 12 months and then he'll probably get a coaching job.
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I imagine that what WP is saying is that for Malthouse to be released from the final 2 years of his new contract he cant work for another club for 12 months. That means hes not working for any footy club. He will wait out the 12 months and then he'll probably get a coaching job.
I can't see him coaching anyway but find it hard to believe that he's legally obliged to not workat a football club other than Collingwood. Is he able to work for the VFL, can he do volunteer work? I'm sure if he said I wanted to coach GWS, the AFL would make it happen.
Otherwise Mick may have to apply for a christmas casual at Myers this year if Collingwood have legal rights to his employment.
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I can't see him coaching anyway but find it hard to believe that he's legally obliged to not workat a football club other than Collingwood. Is he able to work for the VFL, can he do volunteer work? I'm sure if he said I wanted to coach GWS, the AFL would make it happen.
Otherwise Mick may have to apply for a christmas casual at Myers this year if Collingwood have legal rights to his employment.
Happens all the time in employment contracts Pope, my IT contracts have nearly always included a clause that I'm not allowed to work for a competitor or customer within a timeframe (usually 12 months) if I leave. Don't have one at the moment though - it seems working as a TA for a concreter is not considered a sufficient risk of IP loss to warrant it! :o
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Happens all the time in employment contracts Pope, my IT contracts have nearly always included a clause that I'm not allowed to work for a competitor or customer within a timeframe (usually 12 months) if I leave. Don't have one at the moment though - it seems working as a TA for a concreter is not considered a sufficient risk of IP loss to warrant it! :o
Correct smokey - I have the same clause in my contract, cannot work for another company in the same industry for 12 months if I leave ... very common these days
Interesting post WP, do you speak for MM?
Nothing is assured in this business.
Do I don't but I see Mick Malthouse as man of his word, he said he wont be at another club in 2012 & I believe him
Also, cannot see Eddie letting him walk away from a contract without some sort of guarantee that he wont go to another club ... bototm line is he had a contract for him to go to another AFL he would need to be released with C'wood basically allowing it - Pies wouldn't, seriously would you :P
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Rucci in the Adelaide Advertiser is linking Malthouse to Richmond ....
Mick Malthouse ends coaching era to seek new home
by: Michelangelo Rucci
From: The Advertiser
October 02, 2011 11:00PM
MICHAEL Malthouse is clear on only one part of his next role in the AFL - it will not be at Collingwood.
But the veteran coach has left open his options - perhaps without a 12-month lay-off - to be part of an emotional homecoming at Richmond.
Malthouse, 58, on Saturday closed his successful era at Collingwood leaving the coaching role to former Magpies captain Nathan Buckley - and he will cast no shadow on Buckley by refusing to be Collingwood's first director of coaching.
Malthouse rejected this role six weeks ago because - regardless of its title - it involved no coaching, particularly on game day.
While his original club, St Kilda, is without a coach as it deals with Ross Lyon's defection to Fremantle, Malthouse has declared he will not coach again - despite being just 50 games short of the VFL-AFL record of 715 games held by Jock McHale.
Richmond, however, is seeking a coaching director who will be involved on match day. In the field for this role is deposed Melbourne coach Dean Bailey, who is also being chased by Port Adelaide for Matthew Primus' new panel.
But more appealing to the Tigers would be to lure Malthouse home to reposition a Victorian club - like the Collingwood inherited by Malthouse in late 1999 - haunted by a long (31 years) premiership drought.
After serving five clubs - St Kilda, Richmond, Footscray (now the Western Bulldogs), West Coast and Collingwood - as a player or coach in 40 years, the question of which stands as home for Malthouse is clearly Richmond.
"Each club has played a significant role in my development," says Malthouse.
"But I guess where you play and you win a premiership makes you feel so important," added Malthouse, a member of Richmond's last premiership team in 1980.
"Coaching is very isolated.
"Where you sweat, where you bleed, where you break your bones and ligaments and God knows whatever else, that is (home). When you wake up in the morning and you have a crook knee, your back aches and your fingers are out of joint, you know where you got it.
"I look in the mirror and the biggest cut across my eye, I know where I got that (Richmond).
"You feel a lot of sweat here (at Collingwood as a coach), but the other place (Richmond) was sweat and blood (as a player)."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-ends-coaching-era-to-seek-new-home/story-e6frecnu-1226156424433
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The Herald-Sun however has Mick joining Ch 7 and 3aw next year ....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/manager-peter-sidwell-says-mick-malthouse-not-finished/story-e6frf9jf-1226156416409
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Interesting stuff. Strong signals in the first one.
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Well Mick Rucci was the man who tipped Craig to Richmond and that was WRONG so.... :lol
Anyway media , Ch7 yes but I think he may stay with SEN
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Fair enough, but they are Micks quotes and they aren't the first sentimental Richmond ones I have heard from him this year. He was talking about it earlier in the year about how he comes back sometimes for a function and how he never coached Richmond because the timing was never right etc. I think there is a genuine wish to do something but the club might take the same stance they did with Sheedy. As you say he is under the contract obligations this year, perhaps next year he can do something.
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Agree but unlike Sheedy MM sounds like he is willing to take a position that would suit us better. Sheedy always wanted to be coach, MM has said he will never coach again. He'd be a great mentor for DH.
I reckon WP's right about him though. He's always struck me as being a man of his word so I doubt he would take on a full time football role next year, simply because he has stated he wouldn't.
Love to see him a Punt Road a bit in a less official capacity. Perhaps he can have some informal chats with Dimma if Dimma would like that. We have ex-Richmond mentors for players. Why not for the coach. Tell you what Dimma would have hit the Jackpot having both Hafey and Malthouse to talk to.
Maybe he'll come next year.
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wouldn't sneeze at that. Sheedy was always about Sheedy, he merely used us as a means to an end and is a bombers man through and through despite his playing days. I think Mick, despite his professional coaching is genuine in what he feels for the Tiges and it would be great to see him come back in some capacity. I watch with irony the machinations of Eddy 'my way' Macquire as he systematically dismantles Collingwood and cannot help seeing some of the similarities between our own downfall all those years ago when egos overruled wisdom and pride shouted down pragmatism. Eddy wanted his cake and to eat it. The wheel might truly have come full circle if Mick does come home next year, how symbolic considering the trade war that began our demise. I have to say it was stuffing sweet watching Damir Clokiche's spawn fail in the big one.
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Malthouse repeated today on 3aw he'll never coach again but shot down Eddie saying he wasn't mentally and emotionally spent and he would've carried on at the Pies (but not in the role the Pies wanted).
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Happens all the time in employment contracts Pope, my IT contracts have nearly always included a clause that I'm not allowed to work for a competitor or customer within a timeframe (usually 12 months) if I leave. Don't have one at the moment though - it seems working as a TA for a concreter is not considered a sufficient risk of IP loss to warrant it! :o
Correct smokey - I have the same clause in my contract, cannot work for another company in the same industry for 12 months if I leave ... very common these days
Interesting post WP, do you speak for MM?
Nothing is assured in this business.
Do I don't but I see Mick Malthouse as man of his word, he said he wont be at another club in 2012 & I believe him
Also, cannot see Eddie letting him walk away from a contract without some sort of guarantee that he wont go to another club ... bototm line is he had a contract for him to go to another AFL he would need to be released with C'wood basically allowing it - Pies wouldn't, seriously would you :P
Yeah agree on the surface but Collingwood surely have far bigger things to worry about then what Mick Malthouse does? I can't see the effort to 'embargo' Micks employment is worth the hassle, runners up surely have bigger fish to fry in their own paddock.
I can see Mick coming down and having a volunteer mentoring role, which may be allowed I'm not sure? Micks always been vocal how much he enjoys coming back to Punt Road to sign memorabilia, being that's where he played you always feel welcomed etc.
Will be interesting to follow anyway.
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He was just on 10 news saying he wasn't physically burnt out and challenged the reporter to a run down the shops. Maybe we could chuck him a jumper and slot him in the back pocket :laugh:
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He was just on 10 news saying he wasn't physically burnt out and challenged the reporter to a run down the shops. Maybe we could chuck him a jumper and slot him in the back pocket :laugh:
Mick would be better than Daniel Jackson.
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The problem will be Richmond wanting to extend Hardwick's contract!!!
WAIT UNTIL THE END OF YEAR MARCH AND RICHMOND!!!
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I know it's ages away next season but I can't even think of any coaches at the moment that would be under pressure besides for maybe Ratten but I can't see many head coaching roles opening up for Mick in 2013
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Here is the situation as I see it.
If we fail to make the finals next year then the club has failed to meet the objectives of the plan that said 3 finals series in 5 years.
If that happens then there is a good chance the temptation to grab Malthouse will be strong, especially as we will be the only club in the market for a coach, unless Ratten or North Scott gets sacked.
If I was Hardwick I would be really hoping next year sees us in the 8.
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Here is the situation as I see it.
If we fail to make the finals next year then the club has failed to meet the objectives of the plan that said 3 finals series in 5 years.
If that happens then there is a good chance the temptation to grab Malthouse will be strong, especially as we will be the only club in the market for a coach, unless Ratten or North Scott gets sacked.
If I was Hardwick I would be really hoping next year sees us in the 8.
In my opinion Hardwick just needs players to keep improving. Im not expecting finals next year so Im not setting it as a bench mark. I think from memory the club has said the 3 in 5 years is a goal not an expectation.
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
Agreed and we will make finals next year.
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Here is the situation as I see it.
If we fail to make the finals next year then the club has failed to meet the objectives of the plan that said 3 finals series in 5 years.
If that happens then there is a good chance the temptation to grab Malthouse will be strong, especially as we will be the only club in the market for a coach, unless Ratten or North Scott gets sacked.
If I was Hardwick I would be really hoping next year sees us in the 8.
In my opinion Hardwick just needs players to keep improving. Im not expecting finals next year so Im not setting it as a bench mark. I think from memory the club has said the 3 in 5 years is a goal not an expectation.
Correct. There were no promises attached to that.
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
:clapping, dead right, anything but finals next year is failure IMO, I am sick of hearing this rebuilding crap. Thats the attidude the players take on the field sometimes I am sure............oh well it dosn't matter if we lose.....we are stuffing rebuilding.
poo, we have been rebuilding since 1980 FFS!
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Agree the goal should always be finals
But I really do wonder if people are over rating our list in a big way
But that's another topic for another day
Back to Mick...he also said today that he cannot see himself being involved in another Football club, right now he doesn't want to be
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
:clapping, dead right, anything but finals next year is failure IMO
poo, we have been rebuilding since 1980 FFS!
For a guy who was dead set on us tanking this season so we can keep rebuilding I find your comments astonishing not to mention completely hypercritical :wallywink :wallywink sound as though you wouldn't know is your arse was on fire :lol :lol
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
All well and good to aim for finals every year, but did you really expect us to make it there these last two years?
As for the 3 finals in 5 years or whatever it was, it was a goal set by the club.
There is not much point in setting goals if you don't expect to achieve them.
Ah WAT, you've done it again.
But then again I understand where you are coming from. I've had a go at rebuilding cars in the past and it takes too long, too much like hard work and you need to know what you are doing.
So I decided, no more of this rebuilding crap. Now i just go out and buy what i need.
If only i could find a genie in a bottle.
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Agree the goal should always be finals
But I really do wonder if people are over rating our list in a big way
But that's another topic for another day
Back to Mick...he also said today that he cannot see himself being involved in another Football club, right now he doesn't want to be
crap lists can still make finals its a 50% chance, but at least by making it it creates more hunger and builds a winning mentality not a rebuilding mentality that we have had for over 20 yrs
john northey had the idea, he didnt care what list we had but once u crossed that line u played ur arse of to win
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
Agreed and we will make finals next year.
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Its quite funny how people should just accept with a season where players improve. Its crap.
Our team is now good enough to match and beat any team from 6-18. FACT!!
We are not there yet to contend yet but our aim from this season forward is playing finals every year
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
:clapping, dead right, anything but finals next year is failure IMO
poo, we have been rebuilding since 1980 FFS!
For a guy who was dead set on us tanking this season so we can keep rebuilding I find your comments astonishing not to mention completely hypercritical :wallywink :wallywink sound as though you wouldn't know is your behind was on fire :lol :lol
Show me one of my posts where I actually said we should tank, show me where I used the words....we should tank.....mmmmm, don't think you will find one. I wanted to either get in the 8 or finish where we would get better draft picks, take that anyway you want.
I didnt mind if we kept winning so long as the teams above us kept winning too, leaving us under them on the ladder so we recieved the better picks... :laugh:
Anyway, go back to your cave until next season... :thumbsup :sleep :wallywink
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Interesting - reading between the lines " we have a great list of players who are battle hardened but are not trying hard enough or alternatively we are tanking and are really much better than our results show.
I could be delusional in thinking we are are very young side with good potential but we have a lot of hard work and development required before we are to match it with the big boys.
But, back to the subject - I hope Richmond let Mick know that he's a Tiger Man and the door is always open for him to help out in a role that matches his / our needs!
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
:clapping, dead right, anything but finals next year is failure IMO
poo, we have been rebuilding since 1980 FFS!
For a guy who was dead set on us tanking this season so we can keep rebuilding I find your comments astonishing not to mention completely hypercritical :wallywink :wallywink sound as though you wouldn't know is your behind was on fire :lol :lol
Show me one of my posts where I actually said we should tank, show me where I used the words....we should tank.....mmmmm, don't think you will find one. I wanted to either get in the 8 or finish where we would get better draft picks, take that anyway you want.
I didnt mind if we kept winning so long as the teams above us kept winning too, leaving us under them on the ladder so we recieved the better picks... :laugh:
Anyway, go back to your cave until next season... :thumbsup :sleep :wallywink
lol.....I just like stirring you up because you normally bite back hard ;D ;D ;D You were a bit lame with the comback this time ::) ::) :lol :lol :lol
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
All well and good to aim for finals every year, but did you really expect us to make it there these last two years?
As for the 3 finals in 5 years or whatever it was, it was a goal set by the club.
There is not much point in setting goals if you don't expect to achieve them.
Ah WAT, you've done it again.
But then again I understand where you are coming from. I've had a go at rebuilding cars in the past and it takes too long, too much like hard work and you need to know what you are doing.
So I decided, no more of this rebuilding crap. Now i just go out and buy what i need.
If only i could find a genie in a bottle.
Al my friend... :thumbsup, how many games this year did we throw away honestly throw away that had we of won we would of played finals. We lost some very important games that we should of won.
So yes I did expect us to play finals, we hung around that bloody top 8 for a long time this year and every chance we had to get in, playing against teams we should have beaten, we blew it.
No more excuses.
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
:clapping, dead right, anything but finals next year is failure IMO
poo, we have been rebuilding since 1980 FFS!
For a guy who was dead set on us tanking this season so we can keep rebuilding I find your comments astonishing not to mention completely hypercritical :wallywink :wallywink sound as though you wouldn't know is your behind was on fire :lol :lol
Show me one of my posts where I actually said we should tank, show me where I used the words....we should tank.....mmmmm, don't think you will find one. I wanted to either get in the 8 or finish where we would get better draft picks, take that anyway you want.
I didnt mind if we kept winning so long as the teams above us kept winning too, leaving us under them on the ladder so we recieved the better picks... :laugh:
Anyway, go back to your cave until next season... :thumbsup :sleep :wallywink
lol.....I just like stirring you up because you normally bite back hard ;D ;D ;D You were a bit lame with the comback this time ::) ::) :lol :lol :lol
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
:lol..all good.
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
Agreed and we will make finals next year.
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Its quite funny how people should just accept with a season where players improve. Its crap.
Our team is now good enough to match and beat any team from 6-18. FACT!!
We are not there yet to contend yet but our aim from this season forward is playing finals every year
And it's also quite funny how people still keep saying we have too many duds & list cloggers
I agree the aim should be finals but in reality I would think if we were to lose 2-4 of our best players then we'd be in strife - big strife
I reckon our top 5-10 are very good the next group 11-15 are good enough but we still have major question marks over the rest
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big, big, strife is we loose 2-4 of our best.
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Dimma said the difference from '10 to '11 was the players went from hoping to believing. I don't see what the big deal is saying we can't take the next step again and in '12 putting away the sides we should beat. That means crap like Port, GC and Melbourne and knocking over sides like the Bummers when we've got them by the throats. It's not asking for a bloody miracle, just some consistency. If we had done this year we'd of been in the finals so only a small step forward and we move to te next echelon. I'm not over rating the list and admit we still have a long way to go but I'm a strong believer that a finals appearance, be it an 8th spot and a flogging from 5th, will be in the absolute best interest of everyone. The players would be hungry for the next season, I would give them belief and incentive that hard work pays off and to keep at it. To experience the intensity and ferociousness of finals football for the first time would be good to get out of the system or them too. Then it would prove to the other clubs and supporters that the Tigers are back and mean business (any let's face it, plenty have a soft spot for us and woulnt mind seeing the Tiges up again as long as it isn't atthe expense of their own club), boost pre- season memberships and hopefully make us more inviting for players and coaches shopping around for a new club.
Not putting a knock on anyone but I come across so many fellow Tigers who are quick to write us off and say "we're rebuilding" as some kind of means to accept failing. We are rebuilding and still need major list work but I don't see how flunking out in '12 but make finals in '13 is any different from this year to next. Bottom feeders to almost making it to just making it seems logical improvement. I'm not quite 30 yet so I've seen significantly less, but my old man who has been a Tiger since the 50s doesn't buy the "we're rebuilding" anymore. The boy who cried wolf sort of deal. But in the first time in as long as I can remember he trusts the coach. Not sure what the deal is but he's infatuated with Dimma or something :laugh:
Just my 2 cents anyway. I reckon we all got strong and differing opinions. While the faith never waivers it's certainly hard to follow our lot sometimes.
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
Agreed and we will make finals next year.
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Its quite funny how people should just accept with a season where players improve. Its crap.
Our team is now good enough to match and beat any team from 6-18. FACT!!
We are not there yet to contend yet but our aim from this season forward is playing finals every year
And it's also quite funny how people still keep saying we have too many duds & list cloggers
I agree the aim should be finals but in reality I would think if we were to lose 2-4 of our best players then we'd be in strife - big strife
I reckon our top 5-10 are very good the next group 11-15 are good enough but we still have major question marks over the rest
your damm right we do. Connors, Edwards, Jackson, Gus, to name a few.
However, even with those duds playing we are still capable of beating most teams.
Making the finals in 2012 will be decided between the ears
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Dwaino, when most people use the word rebuilding it is not accepting failure, just being realistic as to what is failure.
The thing is now that dimma himself has said that we are moving out of the mass development phase where young players get games just to get games under their belt, into being more focused on picking players on performance ( I dont see this as being hard line though) and winning games.
He himself has raised the bar, as he out to have, and such we are entitled to raise our expectations.
All the same, I dont expect us to come out and constantly beat the tops sides, but that's not accepting failure, just being realistic.
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we should aim for finals every yr , thats the problen with this club, what is so wrong with trying to make finals each yr anyway
mediocrity is BS
Agreed and we will make finals next year.
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Its quite funny how people should just accept with a season where players improve. Its crap.
Our team is now good enough to match and beat any team from 6-18. FACT!!
We are not there yet to contend yet but our aim from this season forward is playing finals every year
And it's also quite funny how people still keep saying we have too many duds & list cloggers
I agree the aim should be finals but in reality I would think if we were to lose 2-4 of our best players then we'd be in strife - big strife
I reckon our top 5-10 are very good the next group 11-15 are good enough but we still have major question marks over the rest
northey had us firing with list cloggers
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And then you go to a prelim and lose by 15 goals with the plodders. Thats the problem.
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And then you go to a prelim and lose by 15 goals with the plodders. Thats the problem.
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I reckon the players from our list of 44 minimum of 24 of them would struggle to ge a game elsewhere. There's your problem
your damm right we do. Connors, Edwards, Jackson, Gus, to name a few.
Scary thing is that the "experts" would say both Edwards & Jackson would be in our best 12 that's the problem
However, even with those duds playing we are still capable of beating most teams.
Making the finals in 2012 will be decided between the ears
Making finals wont be decided between the ears daniel, winning games will be... need to win enough of them to play finals
But I tell you we lose one of our top 5 for an extended period then realistically you have to question our chances of competing
BTW Geelong in part proved on the weekend yet again the team with the least amount of injuries come Sept usually wins finals
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And then you go to a prelim and lose by 15 goals with the plodders. Thats the problem.
Correct
I reckon players from our list of 44 a minimum of 24 of them would struggle to ge a game elsewhere. There's your problem
your damm right we do. Connors, Edwards, Jackson, Gus, to name a few.
Scary thing is that the "experts" would say both Edwards & Jackson would be in our best 12 that's the problem
However, even with those duds playing we are still capable of beating most teams.
Making the finals in 2012 will be decided between the ears
Making finals wont be decided between the ears daniel, winning games will be... need to win enough of them to play finals
But I tell you we lose one of our top 5 for an extended period then realistically you have to question our chances of competing
BTW Geelong in part proved on the weekend yet again the team with the least amount of injuries come Sept usually win finals
In essence: Having A good list, good rotation of players each week and a good culture will go a long way.
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We will make finals next year with the list we have at the moment purely on the natural development of blokes like Grimes, Conca, Batchelor, Vickery, Riewoldt, Deledio, Martin, Cotchin and Houli.
Now if we want to seriously shake up finals, and WIN some, then Jackson, Edwards, Graham, McGuane et al. need to be replaced by some more solid footballers. The C grade type players spoken about in the other thread like Grigg, Foley and Nahas.
If we can remove the poo, and add in the more solid type players and maybe sneak in another A grader through Free Agency, we will be going long into September :thumbsup The club knows what they are doing for the first time in a long time, I have faith and will not be deterred by these rumours of throwing away our first round picks and signing of dud players on massive contracts . . . until confirmed of course.
We will make finals next season, I don't expect us to win a final in 2012 but we will be there. Season 2013 is when we will seriously start shaking it up. :gotigers
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RETIRED coach Mick Malthouse claims he is unlikely to ever work full-time at an AFL club again, but says he is open to the idea of working with Australia's national cricket side as a consultant.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/10/05/could-malthouse-save-australian-cricket/
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Disappointing perhaps. He has just come away from a very strange and no doubt emotionally draining situation at Collingwood. (Dance with the devil what do you expect Mick). If he takes the year off like he says he is going to then he may change his mind.
Perhaps he just needs time to remove the Collingwood stench. He can't be feeling good about what he's done, taking Collingwood to 4 grand finals and winning one. :lol
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Be like a nuclear decontamination scrub down, and he will need therapy.
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Disappointing perhaps. He has just come away from a very strange and no doubt emotionally draining situation at Collingwood. (Dance with the devil what do you expect Mick). If he takes the year off like he says he is going to then he may change his mind.
Perhaps he just needs time to remove the Collingwood stench. He can't be feeling good about what he's done, taking Collingwood to 4 grand finals and winning one. :lol
Yeah agree he should have lost them all and he could have fallen into line with a multitude of failed collingwood coaches.
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Disappointing perhaps. He has just come away from a very strange and no doubt emotionally draining situation at Collingwood. (Dance with the devil what do you expect Mick). If he takes the year off like he says he is going to then he may change his mind.
Perhaps he just needs time to remove the Collingwood stench. He can't be feeling good about what he's done, taking Collingwood to 4 grand finals and winning one. :lol
Yeah agree he should have lost them all and he could have fallen into line with a multitude of failed collingwood coaches.
That's what Tommy did, he had the right idea and did us proud by taking them to 4 grand final losses. :clapping
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Disappointing perhaps. He has just come away from a very strange and no doubt emotionally draining situation at Collingwood. (Dance with the devil what do you expect Mick). If he takes the year off like he says he is going to then he may change his mind.
Perhaps he just needs time to remove the Collingwood stench. He can't be feeling good about what he's done, taking Collingwood to 4 grand finals and winning one. :lol
Yeah agree he should have lost them all and he could have fallen into line with a multitude of failed collingwood coaches.
That's what Tommy did, he had the right idea and did us proud by taking them to 4 grand final losses. :clapping
and a draw after being 27 points up in a low scoring GF at three quarter time. :lol :rollin :lol
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Tommy's an immortal. 4 Richmond Premierships and 4 Collingwood Grand Final Losses. What a DEAD SET LEGEND! :bow :clapping
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Be like a nuclear decontamination scrub down, and he will need therapy.
Dr Nick Riviera has been called. All procedures just $129.95. Just call 1800 Doctorb, The B stands for bargain.
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Its rubbish he'll be somewhere in 2012, if not 2013.
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You can call the 3 finals series a goal or a promise or what ever you like but regardless if we don't make it next year we have failed to meet that expectation of success and I will guarantee there will be ramifications for someone, and more than likely Hardwick.
Just imagine the hype if we are out of the finals race come mid season.
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Mick says:
If somewhere along the line another fork comes in the road and says coach or assist or do something else, well clearly that's a fork that has to be approached and looked at.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125062/default.aspx
RFC, bust out the fork you melonheads!