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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Jackstar is back again on July 16, 2011, 04:49:57 PM
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2011=2007.
No questions there.
We are going no where.
If you think we are, your kidding yourselves and beleive in the tooth fairy.
Might as well cut Dimma at years end, game plan stinks as well.
We dont want another 5 years term like Wallace :banghead
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Getting rid of Dimma is not the answer.
It has been clear that when executed properly the game plan does work.
Its the fact that we still have a lot of terrible players on our list. The turn over of the list needs to continue and it will.
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Getting rid of Dimma is not the answer.
It has been clear that when executed properly the game plan does work.
Its the fact that we still have a lot of terrible players on our list. The turn over of the list needs to continue and it will.
mate, the game plan has changed dramatically over the past 6 weeks. FACT
Look at the stats.
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2011 = 2006 is way to melo dramatic Jack
TFL is correct when the we are "on" the game plan works
Too many passengers, who go into self preservation mode when things get tough is our problem
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I'm done with this club!
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Disagree.
Sure the stats have changed but the game plan has not.
Players like Nahas, King etc who were playing like champions in the first 10 weeks are now doing bugger all.
The way the players are executing the game plan has changed.
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Disagree.
Sure the stats have changed but the game plan has not.
Players like Nahas, King etc who were playing like champions in the first 10 weeks are now doing bugger all.
The way the players are executing the game plan has changed.
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BINGO
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2011 = 2006 is way to melo dramatic Jack
TFL is correct when the we are "on" the game plan works
Too many passengers, who go into self preservation mode when things get tough is our problem
Exactly WP
Work rate is terrible at the moment and as soon as it gets a little tight and tough, they all run for cover. Almost every single player, we have no one to take charge and right it. I have been a fan of Newman but he is hardly leading by example at the moment to change the momentum.
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Have to agree the game plan is ok. The players who were playing to their maximum are now down to there normal 70% output and thats not good enough for AFL footy standard wise.
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Its not Dimma Oxy. I actually think given the right resources he can succeed with us.
Its the list and the club. Club is happy to be alive rather than happy to be successful.
If you need a paramedic tha paramedic will tell you its not the quality of life but the quantity.
Same applies to RFC and those close to its inner sanctum happy to survuve play one or two big games a year and live in mediocrity for the rest.
We don't need a paramedic we need a crack list of anaesthetists to anaesthetise us, surgeons to rip us open and sew a new fabric of the club and then cosmetic surgeons to reconstruct us.
We are a joke.
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this club always puts up with mediocrity.
This club is going no where. FACT
Our players we have recruited are POOR.
Are coach is POOR !.
We have the wind and we play slow tempo footy, your kidding !
make some hard decisions and get Malthouse and clean the place right out !
BUILD AN EMPIRE, not a playground :banghead
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Work rate is terrible at the moment and as soon as it gets a little tight and tough, they all run for cover. Almost every single player, we have no one to take charge and right it. I have been a fan of Newman but he is hardly leading by example at the moment to change the momentum.
Correct TFL, I mean where was Martin, where was Cotch after 1/4 time, Jack's injured, where was Lids? Grigg was great in the 1st qtr and looked like a mitch winner as soon as the game got close he disappeared, ditto Nahas
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Its not Dimma Oxy. I actually think given the right resources he can succeed with us.
Its the list and the club. Club is happy to be alive rather than happy to be successful.
If you need a paramedic tha paramedic will tell you its not the quality of life but the quantity.
Same applies to RFC and those close to its inner sanctum happy to survuve play one or two big games a year and live in mediocrity for the rest.
We don't need a paramedic we need a crack list of anaesthetists to anaesthetise us, surgeons to rip us open and sew a new fabric of the club and then cosmetic surgeons to reconstruct us.
We are a joke.
would think it is Dimma
10 unanswered goals last week, and slow tempo footy with the wind, ITS NOT THE PLAYERS DECISION to play that way, there coached to do it
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this club always puts up with mediocrity.
This club is going no where. FACT
Our players we have recruited are POOR.
Are coach is POOR !.
We have the wind and we play slow tempo footy, your kidding !
make some hard decisions and get Malthouse and clean the place right out !
BUILD AN EMPIRE, not a playground :banghead
So after the Dreamtime game the game plan was what exactly?
And the coach was what exactly?
We were going no-where right?
Conca, Batchelor, Martin, Cotchin, are all poor recruits are they? All of them
Look I am disgusted as anyone on this forum but I reckon to compare now to 2006 is just a bit over the top
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I disagree with the title of this thread
It should read 2011= 2004. Remember being 4-4 and finishing 4-18.
This year I predict being 4-1-5 and finishing 5-1-16.
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this club always puts up with mediocrity.
This club is going no where. FACT
Our players we have recruited are POOR.
Are coach is POOR !.
We have the wind and we play slow tempo footy, your kidding !
make some hard decisions and get Malthouse and clean the place right out !
BUILD AN EMPIRE, not a playground :banghead
So after the Dreamtime game the game plan was what exactly?
And the coach was what exactly?
We were going no-where right?
Conca, Batchelor, Martin, Cotchin, are all poor recruits are they? All of them
Look I am disgusted as anyone on this forum but I reckon to compare now to 2006 is just a bit over the top
I flicked over and watched Dea, Gordis and co at Coburg, mmmmmmmm
and dont get too carried away by Conca and co.
They got flogged by the gold coast youngsters today.
Helbig, mmmmmmmmmmm
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this club always puts up with mediocrity.
This club is going no where. FACT
Our players we have recruited are POOR.
Are coach is POOR !.
We have the wind and we play slow tempo footy, your kidding !
make some hard decisions and get Malthouse and clean the place right out !
BUILD AN EMPIRE, not a playground :banghead
theres no way that Hardwick told the players to play like that with the wind. No way on earth and if he did they should sack him and Ive been a big supporter of his.
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mate, i can tell you Richmonds game plan, and the players play exactly to it, as was the case today :banghead
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this club always puts up with mediocrity.
This club is going no where. FACT
Our players we have recruited are POOR.
Are coach is POOR !.
We have the wind and we play slow tempo footy, your kidding !
make some hard decisions and get Malthouse and clean the place right out !
BUILD AN EMPIRE, not a playground :banghead
So after the Dreamtime game the game plan was what exactly?
And the coach was what exactly?
We were going no-where right?
Conca, Batchelor, Martin, Cotchin, are all poor recruits are they? All of them
Look I am disgusted as anyone on this forum but I reckon to compare now to 2006 is just a bit over the top
Same old people defending the same old crap! Take away our first round draft picks and the rest are EFL standard. How do we recruit players that cannot even get a game for Coburg seniors? Everyone we draft should be walk up starts from the moment they walk into the club!
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We were 4-1-4 after 9 this year.
3 of the last 14 goals this week.
Last 10 goals last week.
103 point loss the week before.
16 points up half way through first against Melbourne and 20 points down at quarter time.
Players have no heart.
Jackstar under Wallace it was a combination of poor list and game plan.
I think Dimma has the game plan he just does not have the cattle.
A win today given how the last 3 quarters were played would have been as bad as the loss we are feeling now.
That aint DImma's fault. 6 goals up at quarter time you shouldn't lose from there. PLayers not mentally tough enough.
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we are the same as 2006, people can disagree all you want, your just kidding yourselves, as are the people in control at the club, I really dont want the email from Dimma anymore either, reminds me too much of Wallace and the spin.
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We were 4-1-4 after 9 this year.
3 of the last 14 goals this week.
Last 10 goals last week.
103 point loss the week before.
16 points up half way through first against Melbourne and 20 points down at quarter time.
Players have no heart.
Jackstar under Wallace it was a combination of poor list and game plan.
I think Dimma has the game plan he just does not have the cattle.
A win today given how the last 3 quarters were played would have been as bad as the loss we are feeling now.
That aint DImma's fault. 6 goals up at quarter time you shouldn't lose from there. PLayers not mentally tough enough.
100 plus point flogging
10 unanswered goals last quarter
and today, playing slow tempo footy with the wind
and you say not Dimmas fault :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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No team should lose to a bunch of kids when your winning by 6 goals. The gameplan was good in the 1st quarter, it went to poo afterwards. This suggests the players are responsible more than the coach IMHO - but I reiterate, if Hardwick told the players to play like that kicking with the wind in the 3rd quarter for example then they should get rid of him.
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No team should lose to a bunch of kids when your winning by 6 goals. The gameplan was good in the 1st quarter, it went to poo afterwards. This suggests the players are responsible more than the coach IMHO - but I reiterate, if Hardwick told the players to play like that kicking with the wind in the 3rd quarter for example then they should get rid of him.
lateral ball movement to a release player .thats Hardwicks plan in simplistic form
Gold Coast kick straight through the corridor long.
I know who has the better game plan,.
Just check the scoreboard
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Shocking result dont know why people around here are so blind we are crap. Worst team in the AFL.
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Shocking result dont know why people around here are so blind we are crap. Worst team in the AFL.
whats even worse, the people making decisions are blind as well.
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Shocking result dont know why people around here are so blind we are crap. Worst team in the AFL.
whats even worse, the people making decisions are blind as well.
Craig Cameron been there a long time now. Cant see why they should keep him. A couple of the assistants should go as well from what I can tell. Need to have a look at Recruiting as well. They dont recruit anybody with leadership ability and most of the time, they dont recruit anybody with ability let alone leadership. The CEO should also be looked at. The Darwin and Cairns stuff is bulldust. So is the 3075 or whatever its called. Its all just rubbish IMHO.
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We were 4-1-4 after 9 this year.
3 of the last 14 goals this week.
Last 10 goals last week.
103 point loss the week before.
16 points up half way through first against Melbourne and 20 points down at quarter time.
Players have no heart.
Jackstar under Wallace it was a combination of poor list and game plan.
I think Dimma has the game plan he just does not have the cattle.
A win today given how the last 3 quarters were played would have been as bad as the loss we are feeling now.
That aint DImma's fault. 6 goals up at quarter time you shouldn't lose from there. PLayers not mentally tough enough.
100 plus point flogging
10 unanswered goals last quarter
and today, playing slow tempo footy with the wind
and you say not Dimmas fault :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Jack I don't think Dimma told them to play that way against the breeze or with the breeze. Blaming the coach is a cop out. We were six goals up at quarter time.
As Flagman said however if those are the instructions Dimma applied to the applies then he has a lot to answer for.
I just somehow doubt it. It's the psyche of the players who fall back on this crap not the coach. Nobody goes to work to want to fail it becomes part of a greater problem due to some past event leaving an indellible n=mark on someones psyche. In our case it is infectious and quickly engulfs all those who have never been hit by it.
We are a skata footy club.
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Disagree.
Sure the stats have changed but the game plan has not.
Players like Nahas, King etc who were playing like champions in the first 10 weeks are now doing bugger all.
The way the players are executing the game plan has changed.
some of us argued players like king and nahas would revert to typewe could say this based almost entirely on their strengths and weaknesses.
the argument is when they are at their very best their performances are passable but it only takes a small drop away from their very best and they become liabilities.
i will be gutted if we persevere with blokes like these edwards jackson white and i can go on and on they have all been around for an inordinate amount of time id rather we go even further backwards by cutting them and properly cleaning out the dead wood.
ah well i dont know why i bother at times i just know i will be having this exact same debate next yr about these types of players just like i have had the debate for the last 10 yrs.
one or two of us were saying we have not truly bottomed out the trouble is every time this club wins a game of footy everything is forgotten and forgiven. as soon as a poor player has a good game its i told you he can play but as sure as theres night and day these blokes cant sustain the standard and revert to type. leopards do not change their spots and if players have not clicked within a reasonable time frame its likely they wont. it also true that most players who have basic flaws at 18 will alwyas have them no matter the amount of time put into them.
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Claw, good post
:thumbsup
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MR CLAW is 100% absolutely spot on. :clapping
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We were 4-1-4 after 9 this year.
3 of the last 14 goals this week.
Last 10 goals last week.
103 point loss the week before.
16 points up half way through first against Melbourne and 20 points down at quarter time.
Players have no heart.
Jackstar under Wallace it was a combination of poor list and game plan.
I think Dimma has the game plan he just does not have the cattle.
A win today given how the last 3 quarters were played would have been as bad as the loss we are feeling now.
That aint DImma's fault. 6 goals up at quarter time you shouldn't lose from there. PLayers not mentally tough enough.
we were 0 9 at the start of last yr.
how does one say this and still make sense. its not wins that determines improvement. the 4-1-4 this yr may as well have been the 0 -9 of last yr when you take into account what we produced how we played who we played and what state they were in injuries etc when we played them. meaningless wins against mediocre opponents that is what was argued last yr and you know what it can be argued again.
the simple fact is the list is currently a bottom 4 list. we are hamstrung from quickly getting out of the bottom 4 because the vast majority of players in the 22 23 thru 30 age bracket are mediocre.
did gcs kids get them over the line today or was it their more senior types.
my concern is reactions from supporters like today. its as if they truly thought we were something more than a mediocre bottom 4 side with lots of work to do over a pretty decent length of time.
im peeed off we got beat today but i tipped us to lose im not upset and im not surprised i understand where the list is at im just surprised more of our supporters dont seem to grasp where its at and just how long it may take to fix.
in many ways jackstar is correct as far as performances go we are no better off than we were in the wallace days or frawley days. but i do think we are better off with the way we are trying to climb out of the cellar i think we have improved many areas we are going thru the right processes even if we are getting things wrong.
sorry this is as well as i can say what i want but it doesnt seem enough to explain myself properly.
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the win ratio isnt important, I agree with that.
The way you play is though
The last 6 weeks havent been good.
Last week, this week, and who knows what crap we dish up next week.
its a real worry and has 2006 written all over it.
We are extremely poorly coached at the moment, and the job at hand might be too difficult for an inexperienced coach.
hardwick doesnt have the ability or knowledge to stop the "bleeding "' in game
As soon as Gold Coast kicked 2 goals after quarter time, it should of been to put several players behind the ball and a spare running in off the back of the square, but nah, let Gold Coast catch up.
same as against the Bombers, same as against Carlton.
Dimma might have to go
Something RADICAL needs to happen at Punt Road
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In 2006 we overachieved and finished 9th.
At least this year we will be lucky to finish in the bottom four. Round 23 game against Adelaide will be critical if we are to finish bottom four which will equate to a top four pick.
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sorry 2007.got my years mixed up
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In 2006 we overachieved and finished 9th.
At least this year we will be lucky to finish in the bottom four. Round 23 game against Adelaide will be critical if we are to finish bottom four which will equate to a top four pick.
agreed in 2006 we most certainly over achieved and again the type of sides we beat in 06 were in the main ordinary. i ask what quality sides did we beat. 11 wins or 4 wins if you still getting rolled by massive margins and struggling to beat top 8 sides its all the same.
i liken it to asking whats the better performance. beating pa in darwin in a very ordinary game or pushing collingwood to within 5 goals in a high pressure game. the win means little but 5 goals against collingwood in the right circumstances despite being beaten would probably indicate massive improvement.
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2007 - older age group
2011 - younger age group
Not that hard really, development.
Its sad, but we wont win another game this year on current form.
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2007 - older age group
2011 - younger age group
Not that hard really, development.
Its sad, but we wont win another game this year on current form.
that will mean 10 losses straight and the end of Dimma
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this club always puts up with mediocrity.
This club is going no where. FACT
Our players we have recruited are POOR.
Are coach is POOR !.
We have the wind and we play slow tempo footy, your kidding !
make some hard decisions and get Malthouse and clean the place right out !
BUILD AN EMPIRE, not a playground :banghead
So after the Dreamtime game the game plan was what exactly?
And the coach was what exactly?
We were going no-where right?
Conca, Batchelor, Martin, Cotchin, are all poor recruits are they? All of them
Look I am disgusted as anyone on this forum but I reckon to compare now to 2006 is just a bit over the top
sorry, 2007
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There is something up, my spidey senses are tingling.
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my concern is reactions from supporters like today. its as if they truly thought we were something more than a mediocre bottom 4 side with lots of work to do over a pretty decent length of time.
im peeed off we got beat today but i tipped us to lose im not upset and im not surprised i understand where the list is at im just surprised more of our supporters dont seem to grasp where its at and just how long it may take to fix.
sorry this is as well as i can say what i want but it doesnt seem enough to explain myself properly.
excellent job Claw, I thought you put your thoughts very well. :thumbsup
I'm glad we lost. So now people all over this club can WAKE UP!
....including those posters who actually think Browne and Hislop are actually good players. I still can recall the posts "bring on the slop" "Hislop must come in the side!"
this is the exact same rubbish I'm hearing from those who want Tuck back in.
People we want excellence not mediocrity!
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Disagree.
Sure the stats have changed but the game plan has not.
Players like Nahas, King etc who were playing like champions in the first 10 weeks are now doing bugger all.
The way the players are executing the game plan has changed.
It's interesting with nahas.
when we were winning games he was often breaking the lines and creating 'overlaps' to quote a rugby term.
the last month or so he seems to be getting closer attention and not having the same impact, and we seem to be having much more trouble moving the ball in the right direction. yesterday he created a bit in the first but after that was hardly sighted, which pretty much sums up the teams performance.
pretty bleak when an average player seems to be a vital cog
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my concern is reactions from supporters like today. its as if they truly thought we were something more than a mediocre bottom 4 side with lots of work to do over a pretty decent length of time.
im peeed off we got beat today but i tipped us to lose im not upset and im not surprised i understand where the list is at im just surprised more of our supporters dont seem to grasp where its at and just how long it may take to fix.
sorry this is as well as i can say what i want but it doesnt seem enough to explain myself properly.
excellent job Claw, I thought you put your thoughts very well. :thumbsup
I'm glad we lost. So now people all over this club can WAKE UP!
....including those posters who actually think Browne and Hislop are actually good players. I still can recall the posts "bring on the slop" "Hislop must come in the side!"
this is the exact same rubbish I'm hearing from those who want Tuck back in.
People we want excellence not mediocrity!
"People we want excellence not mediocrity"
stuff off then and stop posting mediocre poo all the time you ass bandit
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:lol