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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 20, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
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VFL Round 17
Coburg Tigers (3-9, 11th) vs North Ballarat Roosters (9-4, 3rd)
Saturday, 23rd July @ Highgate Recreation Reserve, Craigieburn
Reserves: 11:00 AM
Seniors: 2:00 PM
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Surly Coburg must be due for another bye? We'v played 2 games straight players must be tiring.. :P :P ;D
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Surly Coburg must be due for another bye? We'v played 2 games straight players must be tiring.. :P :P ;D
:clapping :clapping
Sadly for Coburg it's going to a long run home, their all out of byes, severely stuffs their regular preparation for games
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Coburg Seniors
B: Grigg Hore Carnell
HB: Batchelor Miller Power
C: Nason Tuck Jakobi
HF: Morton Hislop Webberley
F: Farmer Tanner Clifton
R: Post Jackson Wheeler
Int. (From): MacDonald, Dahl, O'Rielly, McErlain, Cartelli, D. Murphy, Jordan, Masters, Grenfell* Dea, Hicks, Rayson, Daniels,
Coburg Reserves
B: Masters Fahey McErlain
HB: Morris Groves Dea
C: Westhoff Daniels McLeod
HF: Murphy Saville Hicks
F: MacDonald Ambrose Jordan
R: Dahl O'Rielly Cartelli
Int. (From): Geister, Grosso, Price, Thomas, Pound, Ambrose, Lucin, Madden, Wood, Duhau, Meli, Murphy, Barrack
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Where's Contin ??? Injured again ???
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Where's Contin ??? Injured again ???
Where is Daniel Connors ::)
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I'll go the glass half full.
At least Grigg and Miller are there.
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I'll go the glass half full.
At least Grigg and Miller are there.
All players listed on the extended RFC bench have ot be named by Coburg CUB - thems the rules
Wouldn't read too mucg into Grigg's being named
Though we can hope ;D
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I know! 1/2 full :pray
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Quarter time
Coburg 2.0-12
Nth Ballarat 8.4-52
:P
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Is Morton and Tuck playing?
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Tuck and Morton have been named in the Richmond final 22.
Half-time
Coburg Tigers 2.0 3.4-22
North Ballarat 8.4 10.9-69
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Disgusting :o
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Tuck and Morton have been named in the Richmond final 22.
Had to be :clapping
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2011 VFL Reserves
Coburg Tigers 2.6 2.13 7.15 10.19 (79)
North Ballarat 3.0 7.3 13.4 18.4 (112)
GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Meli 3 Jordan Duhau Murphy McLeod Sullivan Westhoff Easton
North Ballarat: Couch 3 Dare 2 Lower 2 Nicholls 2 McInerney 2 Evans Walker Lynch Tate Currie Linke Ross
BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Fahey Ambrose Jordan Ambrose Thomas Meli
North Ballarat: Nicholls Couch Lower Evans Tate McInerney
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3/4 time
Coburg Tigers 2.0 3.4 4.6-30
North Ballarat 8.4 10.9 18.11-119
:help
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Coburg seniors lost by 92 pts :P
Final Score
Coburg Tigers 2.0 3.4 4.6 7.8-50
North Ballarat 8.4 10.9 18.11 21.16-142
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There goes our depth sticking it's ugly little head up again!!
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Oh $h|+ :-\
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2011 VFL Seniors
Coburg Tigers 2.0 3.4 4.6 7.8 (50)
North Ballarat 8.4 10.9 18.11 21.16 (142)
GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Miller Rayson Daniels Post Hore Clifton Webberley
North Ballarat: McKenzie 4 Thomas 4 Micallef 3 BLACK 2 Sewell 2 O'Brien 2 Hoy Peters George Mullett
BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Power Dea Hicks Masters Daniels Tanner
North Ballarat: Cunnington Sewell Mullett Peters McKenzie Thomas
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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Good to see Matt Dea among the best players. Hope he gets a game in the seniors before the end of the year
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Good to see Matt Dea among the best players. Hope he gets a game in the seniors before the end of the year
Can I ask a serious question , why ?
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Good to see Matt Dea among the best players. Hope he gets a game in the seniors before the end of the year
Can I ask a serious question , why ?
Is that like the dump you have in the bath and one little bit floats to the top?
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Matt Dea, cannot play full stop.
He is even to scared to kick the ball. :banghead
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Can I ask a serious question , why ?
Of course you can ! Ok i've only seen him play a couple of senior games and a few Coburg games as well as his highlight package from the TAC year and I just saw a few things I liked about him. His senior games weren't great but he was only a baby. I did see some slick hands from him in his senior games. Might as well give him a game and have a look at the kid ?
How much have you seen of him Jack ?
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Matt Dea, cannot play full stop.
He is even to scared to kick the ball. :banghead
Matt Dea, can play full stop.
Why are you so bitter? Its quite sad reading your posts.
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seen enough to say he wont be on our list in 2012.
Plenty of better footballers playing VFL that would give the club some needed depth.
Our big problem is our fringe players are pathetic
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Matt Dea, cannot play full stop.
He is even to scared to kick the ball. :banghead
Matt Dea, can play full stop.
Why are you so bitter? Its quite sad reading your posts.
Not bitter at all, I am a realist, not a dreamer
Why on earth are guys such as Hicks and Dea at the club amazes me
And yes, I seen him play TAC :banghead
Dea played 3 games at TAC level and gets drafted :banghead :banghead :birthday
i want the club to succeed,
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jack you wrote dea off after his first senior game and hicks the day he was drafted
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On his limited excursions into senior ranks he was a very very long away from being a league footballer was Dea. Lets hope he has improved since then.
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I can tell you this
It was a joke that we wasted a draft pick on a player that had only played 3 games of TAC.
Thats why we are where we are. :banghead :banghead
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jack you wrote dea off after his first senior game and hicks the day he was drafted
Have you seen Hicks?
Dont know how he played for Coburg today when i swear I seen him riding at Flemington today. ::) ::)
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Oh stuff me sideways. Threads like this make me pine for the good old days of Beige and that includes the PM snooping.
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yeah, i've read that comment many, many times JJ, What i have never heard from you about him is a comment on his football ability, although i'm pretty we will hear some pre conceived comment shortly.
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Matt Dea, cannot play full stop.
He is even to scared to kick the ball. :banghead
Matt Dea, can play full stop.
Why are you so bitter? Its quite sad reading your posts.
Not bitter at all, I am a realist, not a dreamer
Why on earth are guys such as Hicks and Dea at the club amazes me
And yes, I seen him play TAC :banghead
Dea played 3 games at TAC level and gets drafted :banghead :banghead :birthday
i want the club to succeed,
You're not a realist. A more accurate description would be extremist. Some balance to your thoughts would be good. I think Dea has future but I do agree with you re Hicks.
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jack you wrote dea off after his first senior game and hicks the day he was drafted
Have you seen Hicks?
Dont know how he played for Coburg today when i swear I seen him riding at Flemington today. ::) ::)
Hicks is no good.
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Dea has a kicking issue which was well documented at his time at TAC, ( 3 games ::))
watching the Port melbourne game today, there is at least 5-6 players who are miles better than Dea.
Nothing against the kid, he should of stuck to basketball
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dont know how old Valenti and Cain are at Port , but they would be miles better than Dea.
You blokes should watch some football
you might then understand why RFC are so poor .
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Dea would have played most games this year if ijury had not taken him out.
You said he played 3 games at TAC so what he was not even on there list at North Ballarat.
He played school footy and got the call up to the state draft screen so some other clubs must have seen something in him as well.
I think he will be around for a long time if he gets his boby right.
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Watch the Carlton game tonight and watch there mature age recruits.24 /25 hard body recruits.we waste our time with rubbish and lightweights.that's why we got flogged by 100 points plus byvthe blues. You people are unreal
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I can tell you this
It was a joke that we wasted a draft pick on a player that had only played 3 games of TAC.
Thats why we are where we are. :banghead :banghead
we have done this a bit over the years thinking there must be some tremendous upside...that said this kid wouldnt have played 20 VFL games yet, someone correct me if Im wrong
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Watch the Carlton game tonight and watch there mature age recruits.24 /25 hard body recruits.we waste our time with rubbish and lightweights.that's why we got flogged by 100 points plus byvthe blues. You people are unreal
Curnow and Duigan?
Both would have been lucky to have had 10 possessions tonight....
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Watch the Carlton game tonight and watch there mature age recruits.24 /25 hard body recruits.we waste our time with rubbish and lightweights.that's why we got flogged by 100 points plus byvthe blues. You people are unreal
Curnow and Duigan?
Both would have been lucky to have had 10 possessions tonight....
yep and they will play finals footy in 2011.
Something that is just a dream for our players
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Not sure what else anyone was expecting from Coburg today with Tuck and Morton taken out of their already poor Coburg side/list. Sure their were 10 RFC players but most are within their first 2 years on our list and either late picks or rookies so most won't make it.
Post (I think he rucked today :P )
Dea, Nason, Webberley, MacDonald
Miller, Hislop, Jakobi, O'Reilly, Hicks
A bare minimum half of the above won't be at Punt Rd next year. We all know already we have no depth.
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MT,
if the club were fair dinkum
None of the above will be at Punt Road.
We might as well keep turning them over
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i thought we were tanking, and no one seems happy about it.
Not sure what else anyone was expecting from Coburg today with Tuck and Morton taken out of their already poor Coburg side/list. Sure their were 10 RFC players but most are within their first 2 years on our list and either late picks or rookies so most won't make it.
Post (I think he rucked today :P )
Dea, Nason, Webberley, MacDonald
Miller, Hislop, Jakobi, O'Reilly, Hicks
A bare minimum half of the above won't be at Punt Rd next year. We all know already we have no depth.
MT,
if the club were fair dinkum
None of the above will be at Punt Road.
We might as well keep turning them over
I thought you rated miller jack?
Mcdonald first year recruit with a poor injury run.
dea a second year recruit with a poor injury run
jacobi a first year rookie with a poor injury run
oriely, an international recruit ( rookie) also with a poor injury run this year.
you show that sort of impatience and you will never get a core of mature players.
Mt was more accurate, and realistic, when he said half that list.
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i think that Miller has been servicable.
You people dont realise that there are players who are injury prone and some who aint.
Boomer Harvey plays with a broken thumb and gives all
We have players with continual soft tissue injuries who miss weeks and give little
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i thought we were tanking, and no one seems happy about it.
Not sure what else anyone was expecting from Coburg today with Tuck and Morton taken out of their already poor Coburg side/list. Sure their were 10 RFC players but most are within their first 2 years on our list and either late picks or rookies so most won't make it.
Post (I think he rucked today :P )
Dea, Nason, Webberley, MacDonald
Miller, Hislop, Jakobi, O'Reilly, Hicks
A bare minimum half of the above won't be at Punt Rd next year. We all know already we have no depth.
MT,
if the club were fair dinkum
None of the above will be at Punt Road.
We might as well keep turning them over
I thought you rated miller jack?
Mcdonald first year recruit with a poor injury run.
dea a second year recruit with a poor injury run
jacobi a first year rookie with a poor injury run
oriely, an international recruit ( rookie) also with a poor injury run this year.
you show that sort of impatience and you will never get a core of mature players.
Mt was more accurate, and realistic, when he said half that list.
tell you whats more realistic
Dea has played 3 games of TAC , and cant play
the only reason we picked up him was that his athetic ability was high when tested. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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so, because dea played 3 games of TAC, that means we should delist all those that i named after 1 or 2 seasons?
You ever thought that some people develop later than others? how many top line juniors dont make the grade and how many players that go on to become very good afl players did not do anything that stands out at junior level?
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so, because dea played 3 games of TAC, that means we should delist all those that i named after 1 or 2 seasons?
You ever thought that some people develop later than others? how many top line juniors dont make the grade and how many players that go on to become very good afl players did not do anything that stands out at junior level?
No, am not a beleiver of players developing-skills wise
If you cant kick at 18, you wont be able to kick at 21.
if you cant run at 18 , you wont be able to run at 21
Our list is littered with players with poor skills as well documented
We pick up Dea who has very little football background for what ?
What Richmond needs to do is to be smart and unearth a "'Michael Barlow"
Instead of wasting time with players who will never ever make it.
eg Relton Roberts, Troy Taylor, Hicks, Dea, Hislop,
Also there is a reason no one else wanted to touch Derrickx?
he is injury prone, why waste our time
Go and watch the hawks young players, all can run and kick
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might also add that every player the hawks drafted are well balanced players at the age they are drafted
Given the opportunity through mass injuries, they havent let the club down when given the oportunity to play senior football
keep in mind the hawks had to let go senior footballers in recent years including McGlynn and Kennedy who have performed well for there new clubs
Richmond offer Tuck and Thursfield as trades :chuck
maybe we should offer a Foley
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derrickx broke an ankle so how is that injury prone. What is his history of injuries that makes him injury prone?
of the players you named there, only hislop is a poor to average kick. I havnt seen enough of dea to comment, but as he is still learning to kick i'd give him time. there is a big difference between someone who has played the game their whole life and being a poor kick and someone that has played a different sport learning a new skill. the others can all kick, but then again i know that in taylors case you base you assesment on one kick made by a player making his debut with apacked house of ferals screaming the roof down.
yet once again you compare apples with pairs. barlow is a mature aged recruit. one that will either step up or fall aside pretty quickly, whereas the list i gave are all youngsters.
love the way you make a comment but when it is questioned you go off tangents in some vain attempt to quantify what who said
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might also add that every player the hawks drafted are well balanced players at the age they are drafted
Given the opportunity through mass injuries, they havent let the club down when given the oportunity to play senior football
keep in mind the hawks had to let go senior footballers in recent years including McGlynn and Kennedy who have performed well for there new clubs
Richmond offer Tuck and Thursfield as trades :chuck
maybe we should offer a Foley
Now thats funny.
travis tuck?
peterson?
the unnamed because of court orders?
even franklin was overlooked for the very early picks due to his attitude.
have a look at the list of draftees in the pelchen thread. not poor, but hardly sets the world on fire
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pointless even discussing it with you, I dont even know why i bother
Derrickx had problems pre season
Had soft tissue injuries
I laugh when you say Dea is learning to kick, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING AT ELITE LEVEL THEN :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Barlow is a gun
Reason i mentioned mature age type recruits is that we have a ""big hole "" in the 24-28 age group , through poor drafting, eg Matty Lloyd article today.
The players I have previous mentioned were a waste of time and effort, eg Troy Taylor, who really cares if he has great verticle leap, he couldnt play. the RFC have got it wrong, FACT
The recruiting has been poor, go and have alook at the Hawks list for example of the past 5 years, they have been badly affected by injury , more than any other club., but they are still in the top 4, why ,? As there recruiting people have an idea of what footy is about.
We recruit guys on hope
I seen 3 players at Port yesterday that would be better than half the list at the RFC, FACT
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hawks young players that have stepped up in recent week.
Cheney
Puopolo
Savage
Sheils
Breust
Smith
Whitecross
Anyway, am off to Etihad, are YOU !
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no way am i going.
but i'll be wearing shorts and a shirt all day though, what about you?
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jack you wrote dea off after his first senior game and hicks the day he was drafted
Ever wondered maybe his right
It's not likely you wil make an error by writing a player off before his played a game, because at Punt Rd chances are they are useless.
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:lol
that thought has crossed my mind plenty of times in regards to posters constantly writing off players. It doesnt make them some sort of seer though, just playing the percentages.
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jack you wrote dea off after his first senior game and hicks the day he was drafted
Ever wondered maybe his right
It's not likely you wil make an error by writing a player off before his played a game, because at Punt Rd chances are they are useless.
As this elite footy.not suburban
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pointless even discussing it with you, I dont even know why i bother
Derrickx had problems pre season
Had soft tissue injuries
I laugh when you say Dea is learning to kick, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING AT ELITE LEVEL THEN :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Barlow is a gun
Reason i mentioned mature age type recruits is that we have a ""big hole "" in the 24-28 age group , through poor drafting, eg Matty Lloyd article today.
The players I have previous mentioned were a waste of time and effort, eg Troy Taylor, who really cares if he has great verticle leap, he couldnt play. the RFC have got it wrong, FACT
The recruiting has been poor, go and have alook at the Hawks list for example of the past 5 years, they have been badly affected by injury , more than any other club., but they are still in the top 4, why ,? As there recruiting people have an idea of what footy is about.
We recruit guys on hope
I seen 3 players at Port yesterday that would be better than half the list at the RFC, FACT
Half the time you're nothing but a troll for kicks i reckon, but you are 100% spot on with this.
and MT great post on the situation ....again.
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pointless even discussing it with you, I dont even know why i bother
Derrickx had problems pre season
Had soft tissue injuries
I laugh when you say Dea is learning to kick, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING AT ELITE LEVEL THEN :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Barlow is a gun
Reason i mentioned mature age type recruits is that we have a ""big hole "" in the 24-28 age group , through poor drafting, eg Matty Lloyd article today.
The players I have previous mentioned were a waste of time and effort, eg Troy Taylor, who really cares if he has great verticle leap, he couldnt play. the RFC have got it wrong, FACT
The recruiting has been poor, go and have alook at the Hawks list for example of the past 5 years, they have been badly affected by injury , more than any other club., but they are still in the top 4, why ,? As there recruiting people have an idea of what footy is about.
We recruit guys on hope
I seen 3 players at Port yesterday that would be better than half the list at the RFC, FACT
dea is learning to kick in the same way as stynes, wight, brogan, and Kennelly did. he has changed sports so has to learn new skills. pretty simple really, as you have mentioned it yourself that dea comes from a basketball background. ( no, i'm not saying that dea is in the same class as those mentioned)
the players you mentioned perhaps were a waste of time, in hindsight, but they are irrelevant to the first statement of yours that i questioned.
as is often the case, you're replies not so much wrong, just irrelevant to the original point.
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Matt Dea is not learning to kick, he's not a lightweight, and he'll be on our list in 2012 FACT
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I seen 3 players at Port yesterday that would be better than half the list at the RFC, FACT
You're a first class idiot , FACT
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pointless even discussing it with you, I dont even know why i bother
Derrickx had problems pre season
Had soft tissue injuries
I laugh when you say Dea is learning to kick, WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING AT ELITE LEVEL THEN :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Barlow is a gun
Reason i mentioned mature age type recruits is that we have a ""big hole "" in the 24-28 age group , through poor drafting, eg Matty Lloyd article today.
The players I have previous mentioned were a waste of time and effort, eg Troy Taylor, who really cares if he has great verticle leap, he couldnt play. the RFC have got it wrong, FACT
The recruiting has been poor, go and have alook at the Hawks list for example of the past 5 years, they have been badly affected by injury , more than any other club., but they are still in the top 4, why ,? As there recruiting people have an idea of what footy is about.
We recruit guys on hope
I seen 3 players at Port yesterday that would be better than half the list at the RFC, FACT
Everyone down at Punt Road knows we lack players in the 24-28 age group, and that is a big reason why we are not as competitive as other teams.
By going out there and drafting majority of players within this age bracket like your saying is 'taking shortcuts'. Hardwick and co. have said all along they continue to turn over the draft, pick players, keep the good ones, delist the poo ones, and move on.
How are we going to be competitive against a Geelong/Collingwood/Carlton/Hawthorn when we play a team younger than the GC?? Wait a few years and we will have the some of the best in the age bracket (Cotch, Riewoldt, Dusty, Griff, Conca, Batch) and some older players to lead (Lids, Foley). I am sure through trading and free agency we will pull in a few more too.
Yes we are poo, yes it sucks, yes everyone knows it and it is being addressed. Need to be patient.
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I seen 3 players at Port yesterday that would be better than half the list at the RFC, FACT
You're a first class idiot , FACT
well go and watch a Port game Charlie
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The recruiting has been poor, go and have alook at the Hawks list for example of the past 5 years, they have been badly affected by injury , more than any other club., but they are still in the top 4, why ,? As there recruiting people have an idea of what footy is about.
Also, Hawks have made their fair share of poo draft choices (Dowler, Thorp etc), and they are where they are now by doing what we are now doing (Hardwick has said this).
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Coburg Report
richmondfc.com.au
Tue 26 Jul, 2011
Development coach, David Newett, provides a summary of how the Richmond-listed players performed at VFL level with Coburg against North Ballarat last Saturday.
Ben Nason
Was used in a variety of roles during the game, but struggled to have an impact. Did, use the ball well when in possession, though.
Ben Jakobi
Like all the team’s defenders, was under plenty of pressure throughout the entire match. Worked his way into the contest, however, and contributed with offensive impact due to his kicking ability.
Brad Miller
Another solid performance from the strong-leading, experienced key forward. Was a reliable target for the team and made the most of his limited opportunities. Is providing good leadership to the younger players, while still contributing on a consistent basis.
Jamie O’Reilly
Was down on his output from the previous few games. Had limited involvement offensively, but performed admirably from a defensive perspective against quality opponents.
Jeromey Webberley
Started well with several damaging possessions. Continued to work hard throughout the game, but his impact diminished.
Dean MacDonald
An improved performance from the previous week with more consistent involvement. Looked dangerous whenever the ball was in his vicinity.
Jayden Post
Played in defence for the majority of the match and performed his task well. Worked hard on the defensive side of his game and also was involved offensively.
Tom Hislop
Had an interesting duel with North Melbourne-listed player Ben Cunnington. Continually put his body on the line by hitting the contests hard and working strongly around the stoppages. Took some good marks and continued to work diligently throughout to provide a target.
Matt Dea
Second game back from injury and he looked comfortable defending against a dangerous opponent in the North Melbourne-listed Lindsay Thomas. Had some terrific spoils and rebounded well, making good decisions when in possession. Encouraging performance.
Robbie Hicks
Returned to senior VFL ranks and carried his impressive form from the reserves into the game. Used his pace to advantage to break the lines and create space.
Nick Westhoff (Coburg reserves)
Returned to the reserves from a lengthy lay-off due to injury. Was used in a number of roles and contributed to the team.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/119456/default.aspx