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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tony_montana on July 21, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
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Gone to the Saints, we should have snapped him up :banghead
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we tried a few years back and failed to egt him across during Tws term i think
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It was right before Craig Cameron got the role by default we apparently almost got him over the line..
He wouldn't mess around get rid of half glass full types that will get us nowhere players like edwards, white, mcguane.
We missed a chance I think to make sure we continue the rebuild properly
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Why would he come here TM? Of course we want him but Cameron has 2 years to run on his contract. Would have to pay Cameron out and Pelchen will command alot more than what Cameron is on. We don't have the funds or to put it differently the club is asking fans to dig deep for 6 million dollars to get Pelchen across the line would command a significant amount the club simply don't have because we love giving 5 year contracts to blokes who don't deserve them.
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Why would he come here TM? Of course we want him but Cameron has 2 years to run on his contract. Would have to pay Cameron out and Pelchen will command alot more than what Cameron is on. We don't have the funds or to put it differently the club is asking fans to dig deep for 6 million dollars to get Pelchen across the line would command a significant amount the club simply don't have because we love giving 5 year contracts to blokes who don't deserve them.
Unfortunately you are correct, but isnt this supposed to be the new exciting richmond? :lol
however in a perfect world you'd bring him in, make his role such that it undermines Cameron and pushes him aside, move Cameron elsewhere where his damage can be limited ::) and then eff him off.
I have no confidence in Craig Cameron none whatsoever and feel he is making decisions that are hamstringing us
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Why would he come here TM? Of course we want him but Cameron has 2 years to run on his contract. Would have to pay Cameron out and Pelchen will command alot more than what Cameron is on. We don't have the funds or to put it differently the club is asking fans to dig deep for 6 million dollars to get Pelchen across the line would command a significant amount the club simply don't have because we love giving 5 year contracts to blokes who don't deserve them.
Unfortunately you are correct, but isnt this supposed to be the new exciting richmond? :lol
however in a perfect world you'd bring him in, make his role such that it undermines Cameron and pushes him aside, move Cameron elsewhere where his damage can be limited ::) and then eff him off.
I have no confidence in Craig Cameron none whatsoever and feel he is making decisions that are hamstringing us
It's a bit like when were only able to get Danny Frawley to coach. No-one wanted the job.
Craig Cameron is probably making the best of the situation but after 4 years it is starting to get to decision time contract or no contract.
At the end of the season, he needs to be held accountable by the board as to what he has delivered and
how that justifies him staying in 2012.
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Why would he come here TM? Of course we want him but Cameron has 2 years to run on his contract. Would have to pay Cameron out and Pelchen will command alot more than what Cameron is on. We don't have the funds or to put it differently the club is asking fans to dig deep for 6 million dollars to get Pelchen across the line would command a significant amount the club simply don't have because we love giving 5 year contracts to blokes who don't deserve them.
Unfortunately you are correct, but isnt this supposed to be the new exciting richmond? :lol
however in a perfect world you'd bring him in, make his role such that it undermines Cameron and pushes him aside, move Cameron elsewhere where his damage can be limited ::) and then eff him off.
I have no confidence in Craig Cameron none whatsoever and feel he is making decisions that are hamstringing us
I agree TM but we will be paying for the Wallace/Miller regime it seems at least for another few years both on and off the field.
Undermining Cameron would never happen as the club is more inclined to hang on and cost itself on field success rather than look at ways to better itself on and off field in some cases.
We'll see this post season what Cameron's worth is to us with the type of players he brings across.
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Jackstar is back again reckoned the Pelican was going to Essendon ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Overrated.
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Overrated.
Jackstar or Pelchen?
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Overrated.
Agree
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didnt OE post a list of his recruits in another thread that overall, really wasn't that flash?
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Overrated.
Jackstar or Pelchen?
:lol
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didnt OE post a list of his recruits in another thread that overall, really wasn't that flash?
I know some people think he's over rated al but facts are he contributed to the 08 premiership with list management decisions and some of the youngsters he drafted the past several years are really starting to come on now. Bottom line is he'd be a considerable upgrade on what we've got
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found it.
Someone on BF posted a list of all of Pelchen's picks....
2005 Draft
Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn
2006 Draft
Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson
2007 Draft
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes
2008 Draft
Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski
2009 Draft
Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20178770&postcount=108
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I must be in the minority then bc thats actually pretty good for mine :lol especially from 2007 onwards with poor draft position
Always took plenty of picks, its a numbers game and the more players you take the better chances of scoring long termers.
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I would like Chris Bond as the GM of Football for these reasons:
1) As a player he understands the onus is on the player to work to save his own job. Experience: the fact he was traded by Richmond to Freo and became their captain.
2) As a coach he understands the danger of factions of contented older players doing just enough. Experience: time at Freo as an assistant immediately after retiring.
3) As a coach he understands the importance and difficulty in developing a well-balanced list. Experience: time as Bulldog assistant trying to repair the short sighted obsession of Wallace on recruitment.
4) The only way to repair such a list is thru good recruitment, development and playing the kids. Experience: Freo under Harvey have bitten the bullet and got rid of the senior bludgers (in the main) and gone after kids rather than drafting other teams rejects. They have also been the trendsetters in quality older untried recruits like Barlow, Lower, Broughton etc.
5) The General Manager needs to have a high focus on welfare of players in a new environment. Experience: He is now the football operation manager at Freo
Overall he has the right experience as a player, captain, coach and administrator.
This is from the Freo website:
"General Manager Football Operations - Chris Bond
A former Captain, Chris joined the Club in October 2007 as General Manager — List Development. He was responsible for the Club’s list development, managing and developing the Club’s football information and technology systems, player recruitment, and opposition analysis as well as being a key member of Mark Harvey’s coaching team. In 2009, Chris was appointed GM Football Operations and oversaw major changes in the playing list as well as overseeing a new direction in coaching and player development, the introduction of a new player development academy and a remodelled recruiting structure. Chris played a total of 163 AFL games in his 10-year career, including 41 games for Fremantle. He moved into coaching in 2000 with the Western Bulldogs as an Assistant Coach as well as Coaching the Werribee Tigers in the VFL in 2001 and 2002."
That's the sort of resume we want, not one that is only focussed on List Management and/or Recruiting.
Let the Cameron contract run out and get the best, experienced, well-rounded GM of Football. I think that's Bond.
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Just looking at what I said in point 4 about not drafting other tems rejects.
They have drafted players from other clubs but in hindsight they seem good choices.
McPharlin from Hawks. Long time ago. Can't remember him anywhere but Freo.
Bradley from Essendon. Got great service from what was the apex of Dudness.
McPhee from Essendon. Not really a reject since he wanted to play midfield on a longer contract.
Griffin from Adelaide. Not a reject, the crows let him go when he claimed homesickness.
Anthony from Collingwood. Injured often at Collingwood but fills the third tall need.
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found it.
Someone on BF posted a list of all of Pelchen's picks....
2005 Draft
Pick 3 - Xavier Ellis
Pick 6 - Beau Dowler
Pick 14 - Grant Birchall
Pick 18 - Max Bailey
Pick 22 - Beau Muston
Pick 38 - Travis Tuck
PSD - Brent Guerra
Rookie - Luke McKentee
Rookie - Lukas Marvokic
Rookie - Stephen Gilham
Rookie - Ben Kane
Rookie - Ben McGlynn
2006 Draft
Pick 6 - Mitch Thorp
Pick 24 - Brent Renouf
Pick 33 - Jarryd Morton
Pick 40 - Josh Kennedy
Pick 56 - Garry Moss
PSD Pick 5 - Josh Thurgood
Rookie - Brett Collins
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Sam Gibson
2007 Draft
Pick 29 - Brendan Whitecross
Pick 45 - Stewart Dew
Rookie - Hugh Sandilands
Rookie - Timothy Walsh
Rookie - Alex Grima
Rookie - Cameron Stokes
2008 Draft
Pick 16 - Ryan Schoenmakers
Pick 34 - Liam Shiels
Pick 50 - Jordan Lisle
Pick 63 - Luke Lowden
Rookie - Riley Milne
Rookie - Haydn Kiel
Rookie - Luke Breust
Rookie - Carl Peterson
Rookie - Gary Moss
Rookie - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - William Suerakowski
2009 Draft
Pick 39 - Sam Grimley
Pick 46 - Bejamin Stratton
Pick 57 - Jordan Williams
Pick 58 - Rhan Hooper
Pick 69 - Taylor Duryea
Pick 70 - Matthew Suckling
Rookie - Wayde Skipper
Rookie - Jarrod Hayler-Thompson
Rookie - Michael Johnston
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20178770&postcount=108
Add Cyril Rioli at pick 12 in the 2007 draft.
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minor omission :P
They traded away some deadwood for picks in in those early years too.