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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tony_montana on July 24, 2011, 05:17:37 PM
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Hasn't the penny dropped for some of you blokes yet? sheesh...
I think it runs a bit deeper than the coach. We have bigger fish to fry like getting a footy department up to scratch. No quality proven coach would touch us atm. Get the house in order with good football brains running the show ie not Craig Cameron! and then you can start looking at the coach head. Has 30 years of repetitive ineptness taught you nothing?
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this is way to sensible a thread. what are you doin man we cant have threads like this. ;D
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Yeah I want a sack Craig Cameron thread.
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Easy to blame the coach. Expendible after two three five years.
Players at the RFC are 10 year projects and they are superstars. Under a decent coach they would be premiers.
Hence we loved the romantic idea of getting Sheeds and now we want Malthouse.
IMHO Dimma needs to delist 10 and continue the journey he started in August two years ago.
The legacy of the previous coach who had 5 years has hamstrung this club and will do so for the next 2 years.
Can't blame Dimma for that.
By October 31 this year there should be about 10 players left who were on the list of 42 after our round 22 game in 2009 against West Coast.
Otherwise if Dimma doesn't bite the bullet and make a hard call on blokes like Jako and Edwards his senior coaching career will probably be over after one term.
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Yeah I want a sack Craig Cameron thread.
That is a more appropriate thread.
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Hasn't the penny dropped for some of you blokes yet? sheesh...
I think it runs a bit deeper than the coach. We have bigger fish to fry like getting a footy department up to scratch. No quality proven coach would touch us atm. Get the house in order with good football brains running the show ie not Craig Cameron! and then you can start looking at the coach head. Has 30 years of repetitive ineptness taught you nothing?
easy answer, as for the past 8 weeks we have played a very very poor brand of football. cant blame the players for going sideways backwards with short kicks and stupid handballs
also team selection has been poor , as per the inclusion of Tuck today and they continual playing of Jackson and Edwards
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Hasn't the penny dropped for some of you blokes yet? sheesh...
I think it runs a bit deeper than the coach. We have bigger fish to fry like getting a footy department up to scratch. No quality proven coach would touch us atm. Get the house in order with good football brains running the show ie not Craig Cameron! and then you can start looking at the coach head. Has 30 years of repetitive ineptness taught you nothing?
easy answer, as for the past 8 weeks we have played a very very poor brand of football. cant blame the players for going sideways backwards with short kicks and stupid handballs
also team selection has been poor , as per the inclusion of Tuck today and they continual playing of Jackson and Edwards
young more talented teams than us do that too jackstar, look at Melbourne, wce last season. Peaks and troughs within a season is perfectly natural for young sides. and injury exposed our lack of depth horribly.
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Coach is accountable for coaching.
We blame him for poo coaching.
Last week was the worst display of game day coaching ive seen in modern footy.
That's why the coach is blamed.
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true ox, but i dont think hardwick was employed for his gameday coaching.his mantra is to provide a blueprint for success, and while the last month or so may not have shown it, most of his tenure we have seen improvements in the basic areas that we lacked for so long. we may have some players playing stupid, but we don't have anyone playing selfish.
it way well be that we need someone else to come in and put the icing on the cake, but hardwick needs to run his course.
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hardwick is not the coach he bluffed us he was
he is lost and has no idea
want proof
look at how we play, we r back to square one, took spud and wallet 5 yrs to complete the full circle, its taken hardick less than 2 seasons
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club needs to bite the bullett and sack him at years end
Clearly not up to the task at hand.
Anybody who thinks he is ,wants the club to fail
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how long since you have seen a richmond side, that having lost the plot like we have for the last 6 weeks or so, be 10 goals down at half time and still have pretty much the same margin at the end of the game? any side under wallace or frawley would have capitulated from there to an absolute arse stuffing, without a change of coach,
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how long since you have seen a richmond side, that having lost the plot like we have for the last 6 weeks or so, be 10 goals down at half time and still have pretty much the same margin at the end of the game? any side under wallace or frawley would have capitulated from there to an absolute behind effing, without a change of coach,
IF you know anything about football and you went today ( which I doubt you did )
geelong were terrible.
There was a 5 minute period in the 3rd quarter that was the worse for the year.
Kicking 7 goals at Etihad isnt good either. Inside 50 were 45 by memory for 7 goals, you must be kidding
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they were'nt that bad, at times the were not as clean as you would expect but they constantly worked hard to create options and get numbers to the pill, something we lacked in the last half.
in the second half we improved this.
no matter how much you want to the club and hardwick to fail, today they at least showed some spirit. in the 2nd 1/4 were were just worse than poo, but given our form over the last 6 weeks to not get our ring holes stretched even further in the 2nd half is a good effort after that.
it would never have happened under wallace or frawley, so that is an improvement.
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they were'nt that bad, at times the were not as clean as you would expect but they constantly worked hard to create options and get numbers to the pill, something we lacked in the last half.
in the second half we improved this.
no matter how much you want to the club and hardwick to fail, today they at least showed some spirit. in the 2nd 1/4 were were just worse than poo, but given our form over the last 6 weeks to not get our ring holes stretched even further in the 2nd half is a good effort after that.
it would never have happened under wallace or frawley, so that is an improvement.
i want the club to be successful. the direction we are going in is towards total failure
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i dont think you appreciate where exactly where we are coming from though jamie.
we were so poo in nearly every aspect of running a footballl club it's not funny.
i think you expect the improvement to come on in an unrealistic time frame.
It's a bit like pantene.
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i dont think you appreciate where exactly where we are coming from though jamie.
we were so poo in nearly every aspect of running a footballl club it's not funny.
i think you expect the improvement to come on in an unrealistic time frame.
It's a bit like pantene.
Sorry, but I dont see much improvement at all.. the last 6-8 weeks has confirmed my views
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club needs to bite the bullett and sack him at years end
Clearly not up to the task at hand.
Anybody who thinks he is ,wants the club to fail
:lol :lol :lol
Sack him after less than 2 years based on perfomrances over an 8 week period
That's a really smart way to do things
Fair dinkum no wonder the media call us "feral". :banghead
We (supporters) are so bloody predictable outside of being sort of sad - it's actually pathetic.
Get grip for crying out loud
Every single person on this forum predicted we'd get beaten by at least 10 goals, with a number believing we'd get done by 100 pts +
Guess what everything people were expecting happened but the way some are carrying on you'd think we were actually some sort of chance today ::) :lol
Guess what we weren't
And as someone who did go - can I say that the result was what I expected and in the 2nd half there were a few (not many) but a few postives and if the usual suspects refuse to see it let alone want to acknowledge then you deserve wallow in your self inflicted misery
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i dont think you appreciate where exactly where we are coming from though jamie.
we were so poo in nearly every aspect of running a footballl club it's not funny.
i think you expect the improvement to come on in an unrealistic time frame.
It's a bit like pantene.
Sorry, but I dont see much improvement at all.. the last 6-8 weeks has confirmed my views
yet in the 6-8 weeks before contardicted your views? and we didnt hear too much from you.
well at least you acknowledge there has been some improvement, just not enough to satisfy your lofty expectations
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No improvement on what I seen today, did u go today Al ??
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club needs to bite the bullett and sack him at years end
Clearly not up to the task at hand.
Anybody who thinks he is ,wants the club to fail
:lol :lol :lol
Sack him after less than 2 years based on perfomrances over an 8 week period
That's a really smart way to do things
Fair dinkum no wonder the media call us "feral". :banghead
We (supporters) are so bloody predictable outside of being sort of sad - it's actually pathetic.
Get grip for crying out loud
Every single person on this forum predicted we'd get beaten by at least 10 goals, with a number believing we'd get done by 100 pts +
Guess what everything people were expecting happened but the way some are carrying on you'd think we were actually some sort of chance today ::) :lol
Guess what we weren't
And as someone who did go - can I say that the result was what I expected and in the 2nd half there were a few (not many) but a few postives and if the usual suspects refuse to see it let alone want to acknowledge then you deserve wallow in your self inflicted misery
I did go.
Hard decisions need to be made.
all supporters i spoke to after the game all agreed chnages have to be made
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its clear that hardwick aint up to it.
Read his press release
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i am appalled at his reason for not playing Tuck due to team balance, but plays favorites like Jackson, White and Edwards who you wouldnt pee on
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Easy to blame the coach. Expendible after two three five years.
Players at the RFC are 10 year projects and they are superstars. Under a decent coach they would be premiers.
Hence we loved the romantic idea of getting Sheeds and now we want Malthouse.
IMHO Dimma needs to delist 10 and continue the journey he started in August two years ago.
The legacy of the previous coach who had 5 years has hamstrung this club and will do so for the next 2 years.
Can't blame Dimma for that.
By October 31 this year there should be about 10 players left who were on the list of 42 after our round 22 game in 2009 against West Coast.
Otherwise if Dimma doesn't bite the bullet and make a hard call on blokes like Jako and Edwards his senior coaching career will probably be over after one term.
good post and agree. just one little disagreement its the legacy of the previous two coaches and one greg miller accompanied by one greg beck. look at the holes in the list and you will see this is so.
and yes dimma needs to make a statement as well as clean out the dead wood. imo jackson 8yrs, connors 5yrs, edwards 5 yrs, morton 7yrs, white 7yrs are 5 senior players whos time is up. these blokes and players just like them will crucify hardwick if he keeps them.
more pain next yr for sure but still going in the right direction if he does something like this.
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I agree with J'stars comments on Hardwicks mistakes, let's face it - he has pretty much had a good run from supporters until the last 6 weeks but there have been some howlers that cannot be overlooked.
His mistakes are an unfortunate byproduct of being a novice to AFL Senior Coaching and with a young, raw & inexperienced team of assistants - no one around to guide him.
I don't think Dimma is beneath criticism and there are a few paranoid posters who are confusing criticism for calls for his sacking.
Quite simple, if he continues to perform like the last 8 weeks into next year, he can't stay.
I doubt that will happen, he can be a good match day coach and providing he doesn't compromise his standards, the performance will improve. He has proven to be a steady hand so far but he can't be expected to it by himself.
The whole club needs to find a couple of wins between now and years end, it would be a huge fillip for players,coach & club.
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I did go.
Hard decisions need to be made.
all supporters i spoke to after the game all agreed chnages have to be made
I agree hard decisions need to be made, that isn't in dispute but your defintion of a hard decision is to sack another coach (as always) rather making hard decsions on players.
I said this once before and I will say it again sackiong a coach is not a hard decision it is actually the easiest decision any board can make, it also happens to be the cowards way of running a footy club
I reckon eveyone of the 47k+ members we have would say hard decisions need to be made ::)
That's why I have been advocating that we need to be prepared to trade one of our maybe two players out that have some form of currency so we can get either a decent ruckman or an early draft pick. That would be a hard decision.
Now I hate to rain on your parade but the coach isn't going to be sacked (and yes he has made mistakes) so rather than continually belting him around the ears is going to change things
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club needs to bite the bullett and sack him at years end
Clearly not up to the task at hand.
Anybody who thinks he is ,wants the club to fail
:lol :lol :lol
Sack him after less than 2 years based on perfomrances over an 8 week period
That's a really smart way to do things
Fair dinkum no wonder the media call us "feral". :banghead
We (supporters) are so bloody predictable outside of being sort of sad - it's actually pathetic.
Get grip for crying out loud
Every single person on this forum predicted we'd get beaten by at least 10 goals, with a number believing we'd get done by 100 pts +
Guess what everything people were expecting happened but the way some are carrying on you'd think we were actually some sort of chance today ::) :lol
Guess what we weren't
And as someone who did go - can I say that the result was what I expected and in the 2nd half there were a few (not many) but a few postives and if the usual suspects refuse to see it let alone want to acknowledge then you deserve wallow in your self inflicted misery
I did go.
Hard decisions need to be made.
all supporters i spoke to after the game all agreed chnages have to be made
Which supporters the ones who knew this was going to be one way traffic from early on so they retreated into the bar to have a few ales and save the RFC. :-\
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Add the best player in the competetion - Chris Judd, and the club improves.
Add the best coach in teh competetion - Mick Malthouse and who knows.
Hardwick isn't the best coach going around but we need better players not better coaching. Simple as that.
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If Edwards, Jackson, and White, to name my worst 3 performers are at the club next year and still playing in the first's, then 2012 will be Dimmas last. You can almost guarantee that because its almost like playing with 3 less men such is the impact that these 3 duds have.
Said it for 3 years Edwards is the most softest player i have seen put on the boots at our club. The only player that comes close is Tambling, No one else. How he gets a game ahead of a witches hat is mind boggling. If he makes it to 100 games il drop some manure on Dimmas head.
Adding to that if he is that dumb to hold onto currency players like Foley and one of King/Nahas then maybe he deserves to go at the end of 2012.
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If Edwards, Jackson, and White, to name my worst 3 performers are at the club next year and still playing in the first's, then 2012 will be Dimmas last. You can almost guarantee that because its almost like playing with 3 less men such is the impact that these 3 duds have.
Said it for 3 years Edwards is the most softest player i have seen put on the boots at our club. The only player that comes close is Tambling, No one else. How he gets a game ahead of a witches hat is mind boggling. If he makes it to 100 games il drop some manure on Dimmas head.
Adding to that if he is that dumb to hold onto currency players like Foley and one of King/Nahas then maybe he deserves to go at the end of 2012.
Pretty spot on.
I think the best thing out of all of this is that somehow we're all in agreeance that the bottom tier of players just all need to be moved on. And its bleeding obvious who they are.
I for one would like Dimma to stay, but also agree if he doesn't make these decisions he's probably gone.
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we cant stuffing sack the idiot
Maybe for Malthouse
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malthouse has come out and said he will be at collingwood next year.
so it is quite possible that if hardwick does not do enough to get another contract, malthouse may be availabe at the end of next year.
the problem is is he is one of the the biggest rex hunts to be involved in the game. a king size turd.
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The people I'd be looking at at season's end are Daly, Leppitsch and Francis Jackson. Our defensive structures are way behind other teams, our attack from defense is virtually non-existent.
Obviously we need big changes to the list as well, the priorities being a big-bodied ruckman, more pace, and get Kel Moore fit or find another key defensive player, preferably both.
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Leppa is good with 1-on-1 coaching aka development, but he's a poor line coach IMO
Daly is like the garlic bread in the two large pizza deal